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This is fascinating.
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These are world series shots
from 1917-1919, look at that.
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We'll get to the players and
everything else in a moment.
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That's the reds and the white
sox, that's gotta be 1919.
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Here's bill Morrison,
he's a documentarian.
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He put all this together here.
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What a fascinating job.
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Bill, welcome,
how are you today?
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Good. Good to be here, Chris.
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Just finding this is amazing,
in Canada.
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Just getting a hold of these
videos is fascinating, huh?
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It was an incredible story.
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I welcome
you to the palace grand theater
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which belongs
to the people of Canada!
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Well, I'm excited about this
because, you know, I'm 66
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and so I know what the silent
films were all about.
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And because we were at
the end of the line up here,
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there was no place else
to send them.
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So, they just got left here.
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This today is the world premiere
showing of these special films.
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And here we got it, right in
Dawson, in the palace grand.
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I was going to
start with a day in late June of 1978.
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And I, at that point,
had just become
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the curator of collections
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for parks Canada's operation
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at klondike national historic
sites in Dawson city.
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And one day, a staff
archaeologist from winnipeg
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walked in and stopped me
in the hall and he said,
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"I was just down
at diamond tooth gertie's
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where they were tearing down the
old recreation facility behind.
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And they're digging up stuff
there and, " he said,
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"it might be worthwhile
to go and have a look."
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So I went down to the site
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and there had been some
disturbance on the surface.
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There was all kinds
of strange debris lying about
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including things
like chicken wire
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and broken curling rocks
and bottles
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and there were these
metal containers
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that contained reels of film,
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also reels of film that were
just lying randomly about,
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and lengths of film
lying thither and yon.
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And the first question
I asked myself
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was is this the old
nitrate stock?
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And there's a very simple test
for that.
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You snip off a little bit
and you light it with a match
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and you can tell the difference.
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If it's the later variety
of safety film,
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when you put a match to it
it just curls up,
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but with the nitrate film
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it flares up quite violently.
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And it turned out to be
nitrate film
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so I knew we were
working with film
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that was older
rather than newer.
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Talkies, or sound pictures,
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generally have made
a marvelous stride
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of progress in the world
of entertainment.
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Dawson city sprang up overnight.
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A rip-roaring shack town
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where the only cheap thing
was human life.
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Where a lucky man could pluck
a fortune out of the earth.
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All that went with those days
is now only a memory.
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But what days they were
while they lasted.
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I didn't quite know what to do with it.
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I examined a few of the reels
and you could take them up
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and you could start
unspooling them like this
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and if you held them
up to the light
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you could see images.
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And one I opened and unspooled
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and when I looked at it,
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it said the strange
case of Mary page
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which was the name of the film.
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And I was later to discover
that that film
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showed in the theaters
in Dawson in 1917.
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When I called Klaus Hendricks
at the national archives...
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He was their conservator...
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He suggested that I speak
to Sam kula.
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And Sam was very gregarious,
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even in our initial
conversation,
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and he seemed quite interested
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in what I was describing to him.
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Well, that of course
piqued my curiosity to no end,
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so ipursued the matter
with him over the telephone.
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And he said, "yes, there is
a lot of film there.
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There appears to be
box after box of film,
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not just an odd reel.
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And it's coming out of what
appears to have been
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an old swimming hole
that existed in Dawson."
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Well, I had difficulty
sort of processing this
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because swimming pools
and Dawson city
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and the far north
didn't actually jibe
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with my limited understanding
of the Canadian north.
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But it all came clear
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because I decided
it was really interesting
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and I would go up there and see.
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We brought him into town.
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I can't remember
if we even checked him
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into the hotel first,
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but we went to the site
and examined it,
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and he dug around a little bit.
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And...
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I do recall him
saying that he thought
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that there was
an opportunity here
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to recover films that had been
lost to the film industry.
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We discussed how we could
undertake this.
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And he realized
that it would be difficult
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to enter into a contract
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with another government branch,
bureaucratically,
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because it's very complicated.
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So I suggested that the museum
might be interested
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and that's when
I contacted Kathy Jones
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who was the director
of the museum
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and asked her
if she would come down
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to look at the films with us.
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And she came down,
brought her camera along
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and took a few photos as we
rooted around in this debris
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that was scattered around
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and we discussed what
we could do with this film
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and how we would salvage it.
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Immediately after that,
I took him to our office
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and we sat in my office.
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He got on the phone,
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he contacted one
of his minions in Ottawa
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and he dictated
the terms of the contract
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over the telephone.
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And we seemed we had it
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almost as fast as it could
possibly be delivered.
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There was one building that
was called the root cellar
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and even in the height of summer
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it was ice inside,
so it was quite cold
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and we knew that
cold temperatures
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would be the ideal place
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for storage
of these nitrate films.
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So as they were uncovered, we
hauled them out to bear creek
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and we stored them
inside the old root cellar.
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And Kathy put an item
in the klondike korner
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describing what she'd found.
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What I put in there,
"does anybody
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have any idea what these films
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were doing in the ground
in the first place?"
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And then we get this letter
from a former bank manager.
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Well, cliff thomson said, "I
read with interest your query
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in the klondike korner
about these recovered films.
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I'd like you to know
that it's my fault."
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He said a lot more than that,
but in essence he said,
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"I was the bank manager
and in the good old days
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the bank managers
used to be the agents
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for the major film distributors.
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So the films would come
to Dawson city
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and for the most part
remained in Dawson city,"
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and he said, "some we tossed
into the Yukon river
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when space ran out
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and then ultimately
we stored them
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in the basement
of the carnegie library,"
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which was a half a block down
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from where this
daaa building stood.
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There was a dawsonite,
his name was John gould,
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and he was born
and raised in Dawson
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and as a child or youngster,
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he would go to
that old skating rink
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for the hockey in the winter
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and he said, come springtime
when the ground thawed...
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The film would start
emerging from the ice,
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and the kids would
light it with a match
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and it would flare up.
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So he knew it was in the ground,
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and then when we had this
discovery, like all of us,
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it was like,
"we got another thing
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that's come out of the Dawson
permafrost."
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And John said, "well,
what's all the hullabaloo about?
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I knew it was in the ground."
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We kind of looked at each other
and said, you know,
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"what else is Dawson
going to uncover?"
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We had a
common interest in the history.
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Yeah,
just any time we got together,
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we would spend hours
just talking about
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this bit of history,
that bit of history.
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And if Michael had
discovered something
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that I thought
was interesting, I'd say,
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"oh, we've got one
of those in the museum,"
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or whatever it was.
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And Michael and I got engaged
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and the community thought
it was absolutely hilarious
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because I went around town
saying,
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"oh, I've gotta go do this,"
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and I had an engagement ring
on my finger
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and it was pretty obvious
about what had just happened.
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So anyway, we had completed
the summer work.
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The films had been gone through
and they'd been sorted
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and we managed
to get all of the film
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into these two crates
and pack them up.
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And a moving company was in town
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and they were doing a domestic
haul from Dawson to whitehorse
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and they agreed to put
these two crates
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in the back of the Van
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after they loaded this
household of furniture.
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And it got to whitehorse
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and when I went into
the movers, they said,
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"we know what that is, we've
heard all about it on the radio
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and we're not
going to touch it."
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I went to greyhound and I said,
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"we've got a couple of crates"
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and they...
"Oh we know what that is
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and that's hazardous material.
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No way we're going to touch it!"
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And then I went to
Canadian pacific air lines
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and same thing.
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So now we had the film
in whitehorse
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but we couldn't get it
any farther.
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And so, how do we
deal with this?
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And one of my colleagues at
parks, a man named Jim Reilly,
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said, "oh, well, the military
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handles dangerous stuff
like that all the time."
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So we suggested this to Sam kula
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and I'm not sure
who talked to who,
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but in the process they
arranged for the armed forces
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to bring a Hercules transport
into whitehorse
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and they loaded these two
crates of nitrate film
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on a plane with a battalion
or platoon of soldiers
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01:54:14,307 --> 01:54:17,143
and then they flew
from there to Ottawa.
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