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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,875 - People in Wichita had been terrorized 2 00:00:08,968 --> 00:00:11,803 by the BTK killer for 30 years. 3 00:00:11,888 --> 00:00:14,473 - I looked and saw my mom laying on the bed. 4 00:00:14,632 --> 00:00:16,391 You could smell the death. 5 00:00:16,476 --> 00:00:18,468 - Four people dying in a house in Wichita, Kansas? 6 00:00:18,561 --> 00:00:20,228 That just didn't happen. 7 00:00:20,313 --> 00:00:22,230 - The motive behind these killings 8 00:00:22,315 --> 00:00:24,399 was more of the sexual gratification. 9 00:00:28,562 --> 00:00:31,156 - The demands that those investigators felt 10 00:00:31,315 --> 00:00:33,733 when lead after lead led them nowhere. 11 00:00:33,818 --> 00:00:36,152 - Three months after the Otero murder 12 00:00:36,245 --> 00:00:37,412 came Kathryn Bright. 13 00:00:40,491 --> 00:00:43,326 - Dennis Rader had aspired to become a serial killer. 14 00:00:43,419 --> 00:00:48,248 And with these murders, he had become BTK. 15 00:00:48,332 --> 00:00:50,675 [dramatic music] 16 00:00:50,835 --> 00:00:52,677 When Dennis Rader, 17 00:00:52,837 --> 00:00:55,347 the serial killer known as BTK, 18 00:00:55,506 --> 00:00:57,674 started corresponding with me, 19 00:00:57,758 --> 00:00:59,351 one of the first things he said 20 00:00:59,435 --> 00:01:01,520 was that I should take a drive 21 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:04,106 into the countryside around Wichita. 22 00:01:04,265 --> 00:01:05,515 ♪ ♪ 23 00:01:05,608 --> 00:01:07,609 He grew up on farms, 24 00:01:07,768 --> 00:01:11,863 and he wanted me to look at the barns and silos. 25 00:01:12,022 --> 00:01:15,867 They might look ordinary, but those were the places 26 00:01:16,026 --> 00:01:19,621 he had his first torture fantasies. 27 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:21,781 ♪ ♪ 28 00:01:21,874 --> 00:01:24,701 He had this fantasy he was going to build 29 00:01:24,794 --> 00:01:27,129 this silo of terror. 30 00:01:27,288 --> 00:01:29,131 And so he drew it, 31 00:01:29,290 --> 00:01:32,625 and inside were things like the wheel of death, 32 00:01:32,718 --> 00:01:36,045 where he would chain a victim to it. 33 00:01:36,139 --> 00:01:39,724 And there was a train along with a railroad track 34 00:01:39,809 --> 00:01:43,562 because his fantasy was to tie girls to the track 35 00:01:43,721 --> 00:01:45,897 and have the train run over them. 36 00:01:46,056 --> 00:01:48,316 When did you think of a barn 37 00:01:48,401 --> 00:01:51,236 for the elaborate torture devices? 38 00:02:17,763 --> 00:02:22,017 - One of the things that we know about sexually compelled 39 00:02:22,176 --> 00:02:24,427 serial killers like Dennis Rader 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,680 is that they often have generated a fantasy life 41 00:02:27,773 --> 00:02:29,098 that's very vivid to them. 42 00:02:29,183 --> 00:02:31,351 Usually starts quite young. 43 00:02:31,435 --> 00:02:36,022 Studying that would show me what motivates them 44 00:02:36,106 --> 00:02:38,533 to want to kill someone 45 00:02:38,692 --> 00:02:42,454 but also to actually cross the line and do it. 46 00:02:42,538 --> 00:02:45,114 - So good morning. - Hello, Dennis. 47 00:02:45,208 --> 00:02:47,292 I'm Dr. Katherine Ramsland, 48 00:02:47,451 --> 00:02:49,211 professor of forensic psychology 49 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:50,712 and the author of multiple books 50 00:02:50,796 --> 00:02:54,374 about extreme offenders like serial killers. 51 00:02:54,458 --> 00:02:56,209 I've been corresponding with Dennis Rader 52 00:02:56,302 --> 00:02:59,554 to try to understand what led him to become 53 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,058 one of the most notorious serial killers in America. 54 00:03:03,217 --> 00:03:06,886 This is the first time that Rader has explored 55 00:03:06,979 --> 00:03:09,397 these topics in depth with anyone. 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,571 - The more information we have about serial killers, 57 00:03:16,730 --> 00:03:19,241 the more we understand what makes them tick, 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,743 the easier it will be to prevent them. 59 00:03:21,902 --> 00:03:28,750 ♪ ♪ 60 00:03:31,829 --> 00:03:36,258 ♪ ♪ 61 00:03:36,417 --> 00:03:40,420 My goal with Dennis Rader is to use his story 62 00:03:40,513 --> 00:03:43,506 to dissolve some of the stereotypes 63 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:48,428 about serial killers so that we can better identify 64 00:03:48,512 --> 00:03:52,607 children who might be at risk for becoming adult offenders. 65 00:03:52,766 --> 00:03:53,933 ♪ ♪ 66 00:03:54,026 --> 00:03:56,278 To do that, we need to understand 67 00:03:56,437 --> 00:03:59,614 what motivates someone like Dennis Rader. 68 00:03:59,773 --> 00:04:02,692 So we need to look at their development, 69 00:04:02,785 --> 00:04:04,619 their fantasy life, 70 00:04:04,704 --> 00:04:08,281 and their crimes to understand it. 71 00:04:08,365 --> 00:04:12,285 ♪ ♪ 72 00:04:12,369 --> 00:04:16,631 By the fall of 1974, Rader had killed the Oteros, 73 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:20,135 murdered Kathryn Bright, attempted to kill her brother. 74 00:04:20,294 --> 00:04:22,137 ♪ ♪ 75 00:04:22,221 --> 00:04:24,139 And Rader has been going about 76 00:04:24,298 --> 00:04:26,883 business as usual as a young husband 77 00:04:26,976 --> 00:04:29,802 and a student taking classes at Wichita State. 78 00:04:29,887 --> 00:04:31,479 ♪ ♪ 79 00:04:31,638 --> 00:04:34,390 - Initially, the Bright murder was not associated 80 00:04:34,483 --> 00:04:36,476 with the Otero killings. 81 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,644 There were not a lot of similarities 82 00:04:38,729 --> 00:04:40,146 in the method of killing. 83 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:43,649 The strangulation that was used at the Otero house 84 00:04:43,743 --> 00:04:44,984 was different than what you found 85 00:04:45,069 --> 00:04:46,402 where Kathy was stabbed, 86 00:04:46,487 --> 00:04:49,155 and that's what resulted in her death. 87 00:04:49,248 --> 00:04:50,915 - At the crime scene at the Oteros', 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,500 the telephone line was cut, 89 00:04:52,659 --> 00:04:56,245 and there had not been a sign of a struggle. 90 00:04:56,330 --> 00:04:58,081 And at the Bright scene, of course, 91 00:04:58,165 --> 00:05:00,342 there was a struggle as Kevin fought back 92 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:02,502 and they turned furniture over. 93 00:05:02,586 --> 00:05:05,764 And the phone in the bedroom had been unplugged. 94 00:05:05,848 --> 00:05:08,183 But Kathryn Bright was found 95 00:05:08,342 --> 00:05:10,185 clutching a telephone receiver in her hand. 96 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:11,686 She just wasn't able to make the call. 97 00:05:11,845 --> 00:05:13,596 ♪ ♪ 98 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:16,358 - Because Kathryn Bright's brother didn't die, 99 00:05:16,517 --> 00:05:19,361 he was able to give the police a little sketch. 100 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,780 ♪ ♪ 101 00:05:21,939 --> 00:05:25,283 - Did you pay attention to the news coverage afterward? 102 00:05:41,967 --> 00:05:44,386 - One of the things Rader said to me 103 00:05:44,545 --> 00:05:48,723 was that he always had bad luck with his crimes 104 00:05:48,882 --> 00:05:51,801 because something always seemed to go wrong. 105 00:05:51,885 --> 00:05:55,814 And he always felt as if he were the victim. 106 00:05:55,973 --> 00:05:58,808 And it's because he sees his world from his point of view 107 00:05:58,901 --> 00:06:02,070 and no one else matters. 108 00:06:02,229 --> 00:06:04,397 Clearly, he has not thought of his victims 109 00:06:04,481 --> 00:06:06,566 as human beings at all. 110 00:06:06,650 --> 00:06:08,660 They belong to him, and they're supposed 111 00:06:08,819 --> 00:06:11,746 to behave according to his fantasies. 112 00:06:11,905 --> 00:06:16,418 And when they don't, he's the victim in his mind. 113 00:06:16,577 --> 00:06:18,661 ♪ ♪ 114 00:06:18,754 --> 00:06:23,166 - After the Otero case and the Kathryn Bright case, 115 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:26,169 the newspaper makes a report 116 00:06:26,262 --> 00:06:29,097 that there were some people that had been arrested 117 00:06:29,256 --> 00:06:31,182 that were indicating they might have been 118 00:06:31,341 --> 00:06:33,017 involved in the Otero killings. 119 00:06:33,177 --> 00:06:34,760 - The one thing BTK likes 120 00:06:34,854 --> 00:06:37,021 more than anything else is publicity. 121 00:06:37,181 --> 00:06:39,441 So when suspects were in custody, 122 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,443 not Dennis Rader, 123 00:06:41,602 --> 00:06:44,270 Rader was not happy about that. 124 00:06:44,354 --> 00:06:47,532 So Rader is thinking about, "Wait, I'm the guy. 125 00:06:47,616 --> 00:06:50,276 Where's the headline? I want to see the headline." 126 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:51,944 And that ticked him off. 127 00:06:52,029 --> 00:06:53,455 ♪ ♪ 128 00:06:53,614 --> 00:06:58,042 - In October of 1974, a prominent newspaperman 129 00:06:58,127 --> 00:06:59,702 for the "Wichita Eagle & Beacon" 130 00:06:59,795 --> 00:07:01,963 received a anonymous telephone call telling him 131 00:07:02,122 --> 00:07:04,632 that there was a letter related to the Otero case 132 00:07:04,791 --> 00:07:06,551 on the second floor of the public library 133 00:07:06,635 --> 00:07:09,304 in an engineering textbook. 134 00:07:09,463 --> 00:07:11,797 Detective Bernie Drowatzky was assigned to go 135 00:07:11,891 --> 00:07:14,467 look for the letter, and he did find that. 136 00:07:14,551 --> 00:07:15,977 ♪ ♪ 137 00:07:16,136 --> 00:07:18,971 The letter started out with, "I did this. 138 00:07:19,056 --> 00:07:22,400 "I did it myself. I did it alone. 139 00:07:22,559 --> 00:07:24,068 So let's set this straight." 140 00:07:24,153 --> 00:07:26,312 And then he goes into a recitation 141 00:07:26,405 --> 00:07:28,147 of all four of the victims, 142 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,899 what position they were found in, 143 00:07:29,983 --> 00:07:31,317 how they were killed, 144 00:07:31,401 --> 00:07:32,818 the types of bindings that were used, 145 00:07:32,903 --> 00:07:34,987 the types of knots that were used. 146 00:07:35,072 --> 00:07:38,416 Whoever wrote that had intimate knowledge of the crime scene 147 00:07:38,575 --> 00:07:40,001 or had committed the crime. 148 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,494 ♪ ♪ 149 00:07:41,578 --> 00:07:43,171 At the end of the letter, 150 00:07:43,330 --> 00:07:46,174 he mentioned that, "The code words for me 151 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:51,679 will be bind them, torture them, kill them, BTK." 152 00:07:51,838 --> 00:07:53,506 ♪ ♪ 153 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:55,767 - What gave you that idea that you should have a name, 154 00:07:55,851 --> 00:07:57,435 and how did you come up with it? 155 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:06,778 - But other killers didn't name themselves. 156 00:08:14,286 --> 00:08:18,039 - One of the things that motivates Dennis Rader a lot 157 00:08:18,123 --> 00:08:19,865 is the need for attention. 158 00:08:19,959 --> 00:08:22,877 He wanted to be considered special. 159 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:24,295 ♪ ♪ 160 00:08:24,454 --> 00:08:26,464 And other serial killers, 161 00:08:26,549 --> 00:08:28,791 he saw them as being famous. 162 00:08:28,875 --> 00:08:31,627 So I think he named himself 163 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,716 because he saw the way those names generated attention 164 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,394 and he wanted to terrorize Wichita. 165 00:08:39,553 --> 00:08:41,971 ♪ ♪ 166 00:08:42,064 --> 00:08:44,732 - The letter in 1974 167 00:08:44,817 --> 00:08:47,235 indicated that he intended to continue to kill. 168 00:08:47,394 --> 00:08:50,396 He said that he was occupied by a monster 169 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,407 and he doesn't know what the monster is gonna do 170 00:08:52,491 --> 00:08:55,151 and that BTK doesn't have a choice in the victims, 171 00:08:55,235 --> 00:08:56,736 that the monster picks the victims. 172 00:08:56,820 --> 00:08:58,663 ♪ ♪ 173 00:08:58,747 --> 00:09:01,741 The decision was made by the command at that time 174 00:09:01,834 --> 00:09:05,336 the letter should not be shared to the public 175 00:09:05,421 --> 00:09:08,998 because it was work product of the investigation. 176 00:09:09,091 --> 00:09:13,177 - The "Eagle" withheld the information from the public 177 00:09:13,262 --> 00:09:15,179 at the request of police 178 00:09:15,264 --> 00:09:18,182 and did not publicize that there was a serial killer. 179 00:09:18,267 --> 00:09:21,427 And, you know, police had convinced editors at the paper 180 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,855 at that time in the '70s that it was, 181 00:09:23,939 --> 00:09:25,732 you know, you don't want to panic the public. 182 00:09:37,944 --> 00:09:41,447 - When Dennis is trying to talk about Factor X, 183 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:43,708 he's saying, "Here's the big mystery. 184 00:09:43,867 --> 00:09:46,619 What is it that motivates me?" 185 00:09:46,703 --> 00:09:51,382 - Factor X was kind of what one would consider to be 186 00:09:51,541 --> 00:09:53,718 the evil part of him. 187 00:09:53,877 --> 00:09:55,628 He was constantly daydreaming 188 00:09:55,712 --> 00:09:59,599 about how he can use sex to control others. 189 00:10:17,993 --> 00:10:22,905 - He wants to say, "There's a Factor X that's alive in me 190 00:10:22,989 --> 00:10:24,990 "that will have its way 191 00:10:25,075 --> 00:10:27,669 and there's not a lot I can do about that," 192 00:10:27,828 --> 00:10:33,332 as a way to slip responsibility for the decisions he made 193 00:10:33,417 --> 00:10:35,510 and the actions he took 194 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:38,254 because it makes him seem larger 195 00:10:38,338 --> 00:10:39,922 than he actually is. 196 00:10:40,015 --> 00:10:44,018 If we can't figure him out, he's a much bigger person. 197 00:10:44,177 --> 00:10:49,515 But if he can be reduced to reasons for why he did it, 198 00:10:49,599 --> 00:10:51,109 he's no longer special. 199 00:11:03,196 --> 00:11:05,123 - When do you think that started for you? 200 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:09,877 ♪ ♪ 201 00:11:14,124 --> 00:11:15,624 [dramatic music] 202 00:11:15,709 --> 00:11:17,960 - Let me take you back to your childhood. 203 00:11:18,044 --> 00:11:20,138 You haven't talked very much, 204 00:11:20,297 --> 00:11:23,391 even to me, about your father and your sense of your father. 205 00:11:25,051 --> 00:11:26,561 - Okay. 206 00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:29,397 - Oh, I'm sorry. 207 00:11:30,557 --> 00:11:31,858 - What do you have? 208 00:11:38,648 --> 00:11:40,908 - Dennis Rader thinks of himself as a good person 209 00:11:40,993 --> 00:11:42,151 who did some bad things. 210 00:11:42,244 --> 00:11:43,995 I don't buy that. 211 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:47,415 But he certainly lives 212 00:11:47,574 --> 00:11:50,743 in an ordinary way most of the time. 213 00:11:50,827 --> 00:11:54,914 If anyone wanted to have an association with him, 214 00:11:54,998 --> 00:11:57,675 I mean, you have to talk about ordinary things 215 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,012 that really aren't about serial murder. 216 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:04,515 Well, I mean, feel free to eat while you're talking 217 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,175 if you think you can do both. 218 00:12:06,259 --> 00:12:08,344 I don't want you to waste that. 219 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:10,605 So let's go back to your childhood. 220 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:14,275 - Okay. 221 00:12:24,036 --> 00:12:26,529 - Would you say you were close to him 222 00:12:26,622 --> 00:12:27,622 growing up, then? 223 00:12:34,621 --> 00:12:38,374 - The common perception of a serial killer's childhood 224 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:43,471 is that they inevitably have endured some form 225 00:12:43,555 --> 00:12:47,216 of physical, sexual, or verbal abuse 226 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:49,894 and pretty serious abuse. 227 00:12:49,978 --> 00:12:53,564 And we need to recognize that we're wrong about that, 228 00:12:53,649 --> 00:12:55,891 and we need to stretch our concept 229 00:12:55,976 --> 00:12:57,235 to accommodate somebody 230 00:12:57,319 --> 00:12:59,895 who didn't have child abuse. 231 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:01,823 ♪ ♪ 232 00:13:01,982 --> 00:13:05,067 Dennis Rader was born in a small town 233 00:13:05,151 --> 00:13:07,578 in southeastern Kansas. 234 00:13:07,663 --> 00:13:11,499 Both grandparents had farms. 235 00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:14,743 There was prayer, Bible reading. 236 00:13:14,828 --> 00:13:16,754 It seemed as if he had basically 237 00:13:16,913 --> 00:13:18,664 an all-American boyhood. 238 00:13:18,748 --> 00:13:20,583 ♪ ♪ 239 00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:23,752 But Rader didn't mature beyond 240 00:13:23,837 --> 00:13:26,514 the childhood need for attention. 241 00:13:26,598 --> 00:13:30,268 And one of the things we do see in serial killers, 242 00:13:30,352 --> 00:13:33,771 especially those who have this psychopathic kind of nature, 243 00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:36,432 is an arrested development. 244 00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:39,351 While he matured in other ways, 245 00:13:39,436 --> 00:13:42,688 this need for attention remained very infantile. 246 00:13:42,772 --> 00:13:44,115 ♪ ♪ 247 00:13:44,274 --> 00:13:46,692 When Rader was a boy, 248 00:13:46,776 --> 00:13:48,786 there was an incident that happened 249 00:13:48,871 --> 00:13:52,707 that he thinks of as a formative event. 250 00:14:18,475 --> 00:14:19,817 ♪ ♪ 251 00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:21,810 - The expression on his mother's face 252 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:23,905 was a part of Factor X. 253 00:14:23,989 --> 00:14:26,148 Watching his mother, who is typically 254 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:29,068 in a more powerful position, be utterly helpless 255 00:14:29,152 --> 00:14:32,997 translates through his development later 256 00:14:33,081 --> 00:14:35,240 to be, "That's the expression I want 257 00:14:35,334 --> 00:14:36,992 on the face of my victims." 258 00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:38,494 ♪ ♪ 259 00:14:38,587 --> 00:14:41,664 - As a child, there was a big progression 260 00:14:41,748 --> 00:14:47,169 in his sexual fantasy life that slowly escalated 261 00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:49,505 and became increasingly more deviant. 262 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:51,432 ♪ ♪ 263 00:15:15,540 --> 00:15:17,866 - I never knew that. 264 00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:20,461 Why did you like hanging cats? 265 00:15:24,374 --> 00:15:26,875 ♪ ♪ 266 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,045 - He did admit that he had tortured kittens, cats 267 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:32,056 when he was younger, and it seems 268 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:33,808 that a lot of the serial killers prefer cats. 269 00:15:33,892 --> 00:15:35,801 What they will tell you is that it sounds like 270 00:15:35,885 --> 00:15:38,220 a female in distress when you torture a cat. 271 00:15:38,304 --> 00:15:39,638 ♪ ♪ 272 00:15:39,723 --> 00:15:42,566 - Why does he not see the immorality 273 00:15:42,651 --> 00:15:45,820 of his treatment, but also, why does he relish it? 274 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:50,232 He loved utter helplessness and desperation 275 00:15:50,316 --> 00:15:54,328 and needing him to decide to let them go. 276 00:15:54,413 --> 00:15:55,904 It would certainly be a training ground 277 00:15:55,989 --> 00:15:59,241 for what is coming for him in the future. 278 00:15:59,325 --> 00:16:00,576 ♪ ♪ 279 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:02,336 - At a young age, 280 00:16:02,421 --> 00:16:05,923 one of the things he was really fixated with was bondage. 281 00:16:06,082 --> 00:16:09,844 And it led to his actually experimenting on himself. 282 00:16:53,379 --> 00:16:56,557 - The rope has already become an arousal mechanism. 283 00:16:56,641 --> 00:16:58,884 Peeping on people has been something 284 00:16:58,977 --> 00:17:00,394 that has made him feel powerful. 285 00:17:00,479 --> 00:17:02,897 Now we put it together with a woman 286 00:17:02,981 --> 00:17:06,308 he wants to have power over quite specifically 287 00:17:06,392 --> 00:17:08,486 and he ejaculates. 288 00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:11,480 This cements the paraphilia. 289 00:17:11,564 --> 00:17:12,990 ♪ ♪ 290 00:17:13,075 --> 00:17:15,984 A paraphilia is a trigger to arousal 291 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:19,663 that is considered to be deviant, 292 00:17:19,748 --> 00:17:21,824 sometimes to the point 293 00:17:21,917 --> 00:17:24,743 where they can't get aroused in a normal way at all. 294 00:17:24,828 --> 00:17:26,003 ♪ ♪ 295 00:17:26,088 --> 00:17:28,997 - Over time, you start to need more-- 296 00:17:29,082 --> 00:17:32,417 More to stimulate yourself, more to get excited. 297 00:17:32,502 --> 00:17:36,931 And the fantasy started to escalate even further 298 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:40,092 to his wanting to carry it out on others. 299 00:17:40,176 --> 00:17:41,602 ♪ ♪ 300 00:17:41,761 --> 00:17:43,679 - We see these childhood fantasies 301 00:17:43,763 --> 00:17:46,431 come full circle in the Otero murders, 302 00:17:46,516 --> 00:17:49,518 where all four victims were tied up, strangled, 303 00:17:49,602 --> 00:17:52,113 or hanged like the cats. 304 00:17:52,272 --> 00:17:54,523 And he replicated in his victims 305 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:57,618 the look of helplessness he'd seen on his mother's face 306 00:17:57,777 --> 00:18:00,362 when her hand was stuck in the sofa. 307 00:18:00,446 --> 00:18:05,033 ♪ ♪ 308 00:18:05,118 --> 00:18:09,380 - When Chief LaMunyon took over the department in 1976, 309 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:13,884 BTK really wasn't on anybody's immediate radar 310 00:18:14,043 --> 00:18:16,211 because after 1974, 311 00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:19,140 we did not hear from BTK for about 2 1/2 years. 312 00:18:19,299 --> 00:18:22,143 At that point, that is enough time to go by 313 00:18:22,227 --> 00:18:23,969 that some of us speculated that perhaps 314 00:18:24,053 --> 00:18:26,388 he was in prison or he had been killed. 315 00:18:26,472 --> 00:18:29,057 ♪ ♪ 316 00:18:29,142 --> 00:18:30,985 - What authorities didn't know 317 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:33,404 is that Rader was starting a family 318 00:18:33,488 --> 00:18:38,075 in the Park City suburb of Wichita. 319 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,905 Dennis and his wife had their first child in 1975. 320 00:18:42,989 --> 00:18:49,077 Rader had gotten a job from a security company. 321 00:18:49,162 --> 00:18:52,080 In a way, it was, like, the perfect job. 322 00:18:52,165 --> 00:18:53,916 - Dennis was one of the supervisors 323 00:18:54,009 --> 00:18:56,168 who would come out and supervise the installation. 324 00:18:56,252 --> 00:18:58,596 I mean, how ironic is that? 325 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,097 - Working at a security company 326 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:02,758 enhanced his predatory activities. 327 00:19:02,842 --> 00:19:06,762 He developed more skills and understanding 328 00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:10,191 of how to enter a home and how to get past a security system. 329 00:19:23,529 --> 00:19:25,456 - So no one ever caught you or complained 330 00:19:25,615 --> 00:19:27,166 that things were missing? 331 00:19:29,953 --> 00:19:33,547 - While Rader's wife was home taking care of their newborn, 332 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:36,133 he began to act on his fantasies again. 333 00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:40,221 And his new job allowed him to troll for victims. 334 00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:42,473 - He was always looking for victims, 335 00:19:42,557 --> 00:19:44,975 and he was always monitoring his victims' activities. 336 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:47,386 He called them projects. 337 00:19:47,470 --> 00:19:49,647 And one of the things he kept repeating to me 338 00:19:49,731 --> 00:19:51,390 throughout the time I spent with him 339 00:19:51,483 --> 00:19:53,642 is, "If you become my project 340 00:19:53,735 --> 00:19:56,904 and you have a routine, you're in trouble." 341 00:19:57,063 --> 00:20:00,482 - Once you knew who you were going to target, 342 00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:02,576 what did that feel like to you? 343 00:20:14,497 --> 00:20:16,757 ♪ ♪ 344 00:20:19,836 --> 00:20:21,262 ♪ ♪ 345 00:20:26,009 --> 00:20:28,269 [dramatic music] 346 00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:31,105 - This is the neighborhood where Dennis Rader 347 00:20:31,264 --> 00:20:33,765 would roam around looking at the homes, 348 00:20:33,858 --> 00:20:37,269 going in backyards, being a voyeur, 349 00:20:37,362 --> 00:20:40,022 looking for what he called projects. 350 00:20:40,115 --> 00:20:42,941 And what he really liked about this neighborhood was, 351 00:20:43,026 --> 00:20:45,869 this was close to the interstate, 352 00:20:46,029 --> 00:20:48,280 where it was a quick getaway. 353 00:20:48,364 --> 00:20:49,865 ♪ ♪ 354 00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:54,211 For Rader, a project is an incident 355 00:20:54,370 --> 00:20:59,624 that Rader has planned where he has targeted a person 356 00:20:59,709 --> 00:21:03,220 against which he's going to commit a crime. 357 00:21:03,379 --> 00:21:05,639 He began to name them. 358 00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:07,391 Like, someone playing the piano 359 00:21:07,550 --> 00:21:09,634 was Project Piano. 360 00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:12,637 So whenever he wanted to think about a project, 361 00:21:12,722 --> 00:21:13,805 he had a label. 362 00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:15,065 ♪ ♪ 363 00:21:27,904 --> 00:21:29,571 - When we sort of back up on this 364 00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:31,823 and look at it psychologically, 365 00:21:31,908 --> 00:21:35,252 he's dehumanizing people. 366 00:21:35,411 --> 00:21:38,163 He can distance himself from them 367 00:21:38,256 --> 00:21:40,665 and what he's going to do with them. 368 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:44,086 Any pain they feel, any loss to other people 369 00:21:44,179 --> 00:21:48,507 is of no consequence to him 'cause they're projects. 370 00:21:48,591 --> 00:21:50,425 ♪ ♪ 371 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:53,854 On March 17, 1977, 372 00:21:53,938 --> 00:21:57,191 almost three years after he killed Kathryn Bright, 373 00:21:57,275 --> 00:22:00,185 the pressure from his fantasies had been building, 374 00:22:00,278 --> 00:22:03,188 and Rader was ready to kill again. 375 00:22:03,272 --> 00:22:04,782 ♪ ♪ 376 00:22:04,941 --> 00:22:08,619 Rader had had his eye on several different projects, 377 00:22:08,778 --> 00:22:09,953 potential projects. 378 00:22:10,113 --> 00:22:12,697 He dressed up in tweed 379 00:22:12,791 --> 00:22:15,367 and, you know, nice shoes and a briefcase, 380 00:22:15,451 --> 00:22:17,544 which was his James Bond outfit 381 00:22:17,629 --> 00:22:20,714 because he liked to think of himself as a spy. 382 00:22:20,873 --> 00:22:22,374 ♪ ♪ 383 00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:24,718 When he came to the first project, 384 00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:27,796 Project Green, he knocked on the door, 385 00:22:27,889 --> 00:22:29,714 and no one answered. 386 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:32,884 And so he figured if one project didn't work out, 387 00:22:32,969 --> 00:22:34,645 there was another one down the street 388 00:22:34,804 --> 00:22:36,638 that he could try as well. 389 00:22:36,731 --> 00:22:40,067 He was dressed to kill. This is what he had in mind. 390 00:22:40,226 --> 00:22:41,360 ♪ ♪ 391 00:22:51,237 --> 00:22:54,581 - Rader then moved on to a different project, 392 00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:58,743 Project Blackout, and again, no results. 393 00:22:58,828 --> 00:23:02,914 He did not want to let this day get wasted, in his mind. 394 00:23:03,007 --> 00:23:06,677 And so he saw a little boy, and he thought, 395 00:23:06,836 --> 00:23:08,753 "If there's a little boy here, 396 00:23:08,838 --> 00:23:10,931 he must have a mother at home." 397 00:23:22,268 --> 00:23:23,110 - [sniffles] 398 00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:27,781 ♪ ♪ 399 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:49,470 ♪ ♪ 400 00:23:57,395 --> 00:23:59,646 [knocking] 401 00:24:27,917 --> 00:24:32,429 ♪ ♪ 402 00:24:42,265 --> 00:24:43,524 ♪ ♪ 403 00:24:45,851 --> 00:24:49,112 ♪ ♪ 404 00:24:52,441 --> 00:24:54,368 ♪ ♪ 405 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:08,215 ♪ ♪ 406 00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:12,052 ♪ ♪ 407 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:20,060 ♪ ♪ 408 00:25:25,057 --> 00:25:27,025 ♪ ♪ 409 00:25:28,811 --> 00:25:35,659 ♪ ♪ 410 00:25:42,491 --> 00:25:45,002 ♪ ♪ 411 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:50,007 ♪ ♪ 412 00:25:50,166 --> 00:25:53,010 - Anytime you have a survivor 413 00:25:53,169 --> 00:25:56,179 who was approached by an offender, 414 00:25:56,264 --> 00:26:00,759 you do learn more about his MO, his approach, 415 00:26:00,843 --> 00:26:03,428 whether he was persistent or not. 416 00:26:03,512 --> 00:26:05,013 What kinds of things did he say? 417 00:26:05,106 --> 00:26:07,024 How did he pass himself off? 418 00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:10,527 Shirley had told the kids to calm down 419 00:26:10,612 --> 00:26:15,616 because she did not know she was in for murder that day. 420 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:16,941 She might've said to the-- 421 00:26:17,035 --> 00:26:18,360 "Keep screaming. Keep screaming. 422 00:26:18,453 --> 00:26:19,786 The neighbors might hear you." 423 00:26:19,945 --> 00:26:22,205 She might've said that, except that he calmed her 424 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:24,041 and assured her, "If you just do what I say, 425 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,293 it'll be over and I'll leave." 426 00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:29,463 ♪ ♪ 427 00:26:29,547 --> 00:26:31,373 - Dennis Rader was an unforgiving, 428 00:26:31,457 --> 00:26:34,301 unrelenting madman. 429 00:26:34,385 --> 00:26:39,047 And Steve, I've always felt very bad for him 430 00:26:39,131 --> 00:26:40,632 for what happened to him, 431 00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:43,727 because BTK just didn't kill his mother. 432 00:26:43,886 --> 00:26:46,730 BTK really killed him too. 433 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:09,336 ♪ ♪ 434 00:27:14,417 --> 00:27:19,337 - At Shirley Vian's home, there's no empathy whatsoever 435 00:27:19,422 --> 00:27:22,674 for the kids or even seeing them as human beings. 436 00:27:22,758 --> 00:27:24,017 ♪ ♪ 437 00:27:24,102 --> 00:27:26,928 Rader has a wife and a child at home, 438 00:27:27,021 --> 00:27:30,432 and yet he doesn't seem to have the same feelings 439 00:27:30,516 --> 00:27:32,943 about what these kids are going through 440 00:27:33,027 --> 00:27:35,437 as they're watching through this crack in the door 441 00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:39,023 as he's killing their mother. 442 00:27:39,108 --> 00:27:43,111 Having the children there in Shirley Vian's house, 443 00:27:43,195 --> 00:27:44,871 did that bother you at all? 444 00:28:04,717 --> 00:28:06,852 - Weren't you worried about what might happen with them? 445 00:28:12,224 --> 00:28:15,143 - Rader was barely even aware of them, 446 00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:19,314 which is exactly how the brain of a psychopath works. 447 00:28:19,398 --> 00:28:21,324 They're very goal-orientated, 448 00:28:21,484 --> 00:28:25,153 and they're just gonna keep going until they achieve it. 449 00:28:25,237 --> 00:28:27,822 ♪ ♪ 450 00:28:27,907 --> 00:28:29,416 - After the Vian murder, 451 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,577 BTK was back on the radar of a number of people at WPD. 452 00:28:32,661 --> 00:28:34,004 ♪ ♪ 453 00:28:34,163 --> 00:28:35,497 Some officers speculated 454 00:28:35,581 --> 00:28:38,082 that Shirly Vian was a BTK victim 455 00:28:38,167 --> 00:28:40,761 because of the way she was tied. 456 00:28:40,845 --> 00:28:42,504 She was actually tied to the bed, 457 00:28:42,588 --> 00:28:45,006 not just tied up and placed on the bed. 458 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:46,850 And there was some semen found 459 00:28:46,934 --> 00:28:49,594 in the immediate area of her body. 460 00:28:49,678 --> 00:28:51,596 Most of the cases, there was semen discovered 461 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,608 either on or near the bodies, but it was not a rape. 462 00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:56,351 It wasn't discovered in the bodies. 463 00:28:56,435 --> 00:28:57,277 ♪ ♪ 464 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:16,379 - There's an odd thing about Dennis Rader 465 00:29:16,464 --> 00:29:19,633 in that he never seems to recognize 466 00:29:19,717 --> 00:29:23,127 that murder is the worst thing you can do. 467 00:29:23,212 --> 00:29:28,132 So when he talks about raping, "too far," it's absurd 468 00:29:28,217 --> 00:29:32,220 because in his fantasies, he did rape them. 469 00:29:32,304 --> 00:29:33,730 ♪ ♪ 470 00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:37,067 - Shirley was found with a bag over her head. 471 00:29:37,226 --> 00:29:40,812 And the fact that the bag was tied shut with a nightgown 472 00:29:40,896 --> 00:29:43,907 just seemed to ring of BTK. 473 00:29:43,991 --> 00:29:45,158 ♪ ♪ 474 00:29:45,317 --> 00:29:46,660 - There were formal knots used, 475 00:29:46,819 --> 00:29:48,745 not just someone just making loops in a rope 476 00:29:48,904 --> 00:29:50,989 until it was secure. 477 00:29:51,073 --> 00:29:53,658 When you start looking at the symmetry of the tie 478 00:29:53,742 --> 00:29:56,253 and bindings, that's when the bizarre flavor 479 00:29:56,337 --> 00:29:59,247 of the sadomasochistic interaction 480 00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:01,341 with the victims was there. 481 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,084 The bindings were not just for security, 482 00:30:03,177 --> 00:30:05,846 but they were for bondage gratification as well. 483 00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:28,276 - Dennis Rader often experimented 484 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,113 with different forms of binding and knots 485 00:30:32,197 --> 00:30:35,199 that allowed them to make certain movements 486 00:30:35,284 --> 00:30:37,368 or restrict them further. 487 00:30:37,453 --> 00:30:39,704 It's a part of the paraphilia. 488 00:30:39,788 --> 00:30:42,382 That was the feeling of power and control. 489 00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:45,293 And that was also a part of the fantasy. 490 00:30:45,377 --> 00:30:47,045 ♪ ♪ 491 00:30:47,129 --> 00:30:49,213 - Dennis Rader would take artifacts, 492 00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:50,557 like a lot of serial killers do, 493 00:30:50,641 --> 00:30:52,058 from the crime scenes, 494 00:30:52,217 --> 00:30:54,978 and he would take items from his victims 495 00:30:55,062 --> 00:30:57,555 to dress in and use as articles 496 00:30:57,648 --> 00:31:00,817 in his autoerotic activities. 497 00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:04,070 - We had a pretty good feeling if we find this guy, 498 00:31:04,155 --> 00:31:06,981 there'll be no doubt 'cause we'll find all his collection 499 00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:10,068 of things that he's stolen from these poor victims. 500 00:31:10,152 --> 00:31:13,246 ♪ ♪ 501 00:31:13,331 --> 00:31:16,082 - Do you ever think when you're in that cell 502 00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:17,992 about the possibility that you could 503 00:31:18,077 --> 00:31:20,420 one day face a firing squad? 504 00:31:20,579 --> 00:31:22,580 - They don't have firing squads in Colorado, 505 00:31:22,665 --> 00:31:23,840 and I don't think that... 506 00:31:23,925 --> 00:31:26,176 - Rader idolized other serial killers 507 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:30,004 and craved the recognition and attention they received. 508 00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:34,008 He wanted to be acknowledged as being like them. 509 00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:36,260 But Rader worried 510 00:31:36,345 --> 00:31:39,606 that Shirley Vian's kids had seen him. 511 00:31:39,765 --> 00:31:42,025 He wanted recognition for this crime, 512 00:31:42,109 --> 00:31:44,268 but he wanted to see what would happen, 513 00:31:44,353 --> 00:31:46,854 so he didn't immediately communicate with police 514 00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:48,698 or the media. 515 00:31:48,783 --> 00:31:52,744 How long had you been studying other serial killers? 516 00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:02,587 - Harvey Glatman, yeah. 517 00:32:06,041 --> 00:32:07,709 ♪ ♪ 518 00:32:07,793 --> 00:32:10,712 - Glatman was a serial killer from the '50s 519 00:32:10,796 --> 00:32:14,048 known as the Lonely Heart Killer. 520 00:32:14,133 --> 00:32:16,226 He posed as a professional photographer 521 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,386 in California, Los Angeles. 522 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:21,222 And he would lure his victims 523 00:32:21,315 --> 00:32:23,483 by promising them that he could open the doors 524 00:32:23,642 --> 00:32:25,810 for a modeling career or profession. 525 00:32:25,903 --> 00:32:28,321 He would get more sinister 526 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,814 in the types of pictures he would take. 527 00:32:29,898 --> 00:32:31,482 ♪ ♪ 528 00:32:31,567 --> 00:32:34,235 So pictures of them in certain types of bondage, 529 00:32:34,328 --> 00:32:36,070 and eventually he'd take control of them. 530 00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:38,498 And in the pictures, you can see 531 00:32:38,582 --> 00:32:43,503 the female's reaction to the fear. 532 00:32:43,587 --> 00:32:47,999 - Rader wanted to replicate that expression in his victims 533 00:32:48,083 --> 00:32:49,926 where they would look at him, 534 00:32:50,011 --> 00:32:55,006 recognize his complete power and control over them 535 00:32:55,090 --> 00:32:59,093 because it would make him feel dominant and powerful. 536 00:32:59,178 --> 00:33:00,511 ♪ ♪ 537 00:33:00,596 --> 00:33:03,106 Serial killers tend to keep killing, 538 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:05,942 but after the murder of Shirley Vian, 539 00:33:06,101 --> 00:33:08,269 Rader would go quiet again 540 00:33:08,362 --> 00:33:13,366 but only until he spotted the perfect victim. 541 00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:22,033 - It's December of 1977. 542 00:33:22,117 --> 00:33:24,869 Rader has murdered six people. 543 00:33:24,953 --> 00:33:26,296 He's gotten away with it. 544 00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:28,715 He's feeling cocky. 545 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,134 He's made mistakes. 546 00:33:31,293 --> 00:33:33,127 He's had close calls. 547 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:36,297 He wants the next one to be just right. 548 00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:38,883 [dramatic music] 549 00:33:38,976 --> 00:33:41,385 When he came to this street, 550 00:33:41,479 --> 00:33:43,646 he saw a young woman outside 551 00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:46,641 who fit exactly what he was looking for. 552 00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:51,646 She was petite, young, blonde Nancy Fox. 553 00:33:51,739 --> 00:33:53,156 He stalked her. 554 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,899 He went to where she worked. 555 00:33:54,992 --> 00:33:56,984 He wanted to get her routine 556 00:33:57,078 --> 00:34:00,488 so he knew when she'd be home and when she wouldn't. 557 00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:03,741 - She had taken a second job during the Christmas season, 558 00:34:03,834 --> 00:34:05,326 and that was at the mall. 559 00:34:05,419 --> 00:34:07,253 He'd go in and act like he was gonna buy something, 560 00:34:07,412 --> 00:34:08,996 looking for gifts just to interact with her. 561 00:34:09,081 --> 00:34:10,507 ♪ ♪ 562 00:34:10,666 --> 00:34:13,927 - On December 8, 1977, 563 00:34:14,011 --> 00:34:17,421 nine months after the murder of Shirley Vian, 564 00:34:17,506 --> 00:34:20,683 Dennis Rader came to Nancy Fox's house 565 00:34:20,843 --> 00:34:22,343 for the final time. 566 00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:23,928 ♪ ♪ 567 00:34:24,012 --> 00:34:26,439 - He had already broken in and was sitting inside 568 00:34:26,524 --> 00:34:27,765 when she walked through the door... 569 00:34:27,850 --> 00:34:29,350 ♪ ♪ 570 00:34:29,434 --> 00:34:30,944 When she realized he was sitting there, 571 00:34:31,028 --> 00:34:32,854 and she says, "What do you want?" 572 00:34:32,938 --> 00:34:35,273 And he told her that he was a-- 573 00:34:35,357 --> 00:34:37,867 He always used the word "strange dude." 574 00:34:37,952 --> 00:34:40,278 "I'm a strange dude. Gonna do some stuff with you. 575 00:34:40,371 --> 00:34:42,530 If you cooperate, you'll be okay." 576 00:34:42,614 --> 00:34:44,115 ♪ ♪ 577 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,377 - She was upset, but he let her have a cigarette. 578 00:34:47,461 --> 00:34:49,453 They sat and talked for a while. 579 00:34:49,547 --> 00:34:51,706 At one point, she then said, 580 00:34:51,799 --> 00:34:54,625 "Let's get this over with so I can call the police." 581 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:56,636 ♪ ♪ 582 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,213 - He learned that he needed to take control quickly, 583 00:34:59,298 --> 00:35:02,049 so he took her to the bedroom. 584 00:35:02,143 --> 00:35:07,471 - At this point, he begins to mentally torture her 585 00:35:07,556 --> 00:35:10,483 so that he can capture that terror on her face 586 00:35:10,568 --> 00:35:16,397 in exactly the way his adolescent fantasy had formed. 587 00:35:16,481 --> 00:35:20,785 You enjoy the look of fear on your victim's face? 588 00:35:40,014 --> 00:35:41,923 - As he was sitting astraddle of her, 589 00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,516 he leaned over and whispered in her ear, 590 00:35:43,601 --> 00:35:45,760 "I'm BTK. I'm a bad dude." 591 00:35:45,853 --> 00:35:49,522 That was the second scene where DNA was found-- 592 00:35:49,607 --> 00:35:52,516 Or the seminal stains that were eventually used for DNA 593 00:35:52,601 --> 00:35:54,194 was on one of her nightgowns 594 00:35:54,278 --> 00:35:56,196 that was on the head of her bed. 595 00:36:09,376 --> 00:36:12,620 - When he was telling us the story about killing Nancy Fox, 596 00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:18,051 he recalled with specificity the details of the murder-- 597 00:36:18,135 --> 00:36:22,129 Her pleas and her words and her fear. 598 00:36:22,214 --> 00:36:24,465 This man committed these things to memory, 599 00:36:24,549 --> 00:36:26,976 and he lived these things day after day 600 00:36:27,135 --> 00:36:29,053 in his fantasy world. 601 00:36:29,137 --> 00:36:30,721 Although he looked normal on the outside, 602 00:36:30,806 --> 00:36:32,723 it just gives you a glimpse of the monster 603 00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:34,392 that was living inside him. 604 00:36:34,476 --> 00:36:35,735 ♪ ♪ 605 00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:48,831 ♪ ♪ 606 00:36:48,916 --> 00:36:52,576 - With Nancy Fox, having been in the house 607 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:55,421 and seeing how very small it was, 608 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:58,666 it was very clear that he had picked a place 609 00:36:58,759 --> 00:37:01,261 where he could easily keep total control 610 00:37:01,345 --> 00:37:06,015 over the situation, because his ultimate goal 611 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:10,511 was to get her to the point where she felt helpless 612 00:37:10,595 --> 00:37:13,514 and there was no place for her to go. 613 00:37:13,607 --> 00:37:18,519 And that way, he could enjoy his ultimate fantasy. 614 00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:21,689 - Rader said Nancy Fox was his favorite case 615 00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:24,534 because everything went the way he had orchestrated it. 616 00:37:24,618 --> 00:37:28,037 - Now he wanted some acknowledgment 617 00:37:28,196 --> 00:37:31,282 that BTK had killed again, 618 00:37:31,366 --> 00:37:35,786 so he called it in and listened for the news. 619 00:37:35,871 --> 00:37:38,622 Because this is his special murder, 620 00:37:38,707 --> 00:37:41,801 he wants something associated with it 621 00:37:41,885 --> 00:37:46,714 that he can cut out of the newspaper and keep as a token. 622 00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:48,883 ♪ ♪ 623 00:37:48,967 --> 00:37:52,812 - On a cold morning in December of 1977, 624 00:37:52,896 --> 00:37:55,222 a police dispatcher received an anonymous call. 625 00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,650 [line rings] 626 00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:18,329 [siren wailing] 627 00:38:18,413 --> 00:38:19,839 ♪ ♪ 628 00:38:24,428 --> 00:38:25,845 - I have a homicide that occurred here 629 00:38:25,929 --> 00:38:27,505 at 843 South Pershing. 630 00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:31,934 We received a call about 8:20 from an individual 631 00:38:32,019 --> 00:38:34,595 that said there's a homicide and hung up the phone. 632 00:38:34,688 --> 00:38:37,607 And officers came out, and we have checked, 633 00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:41,611 and we do have a young lady that is a victim of homicide. 634 00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:43,270 - Was she shot or stabbed? 635 00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:46,190 - No, she appears to have been strangled this time. 636 00:38:46,274 --> 00:38:47,691 - The officers that I knew 637 00:38:47,776 --> 00:38:49,777 thought it was pretty arrogant of the killer to call. 638 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:50,870 [dramatic music] 639 00:39:09,714 --> 00:39:12,466 - He made the call that had put him at risk 640 00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:15,561 in ways he hadn't anticipated. 641 00:39:15,646 --> 00:39:18,556 There were definitely times when he expected to be caught, 642 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,070 yet when he went uncaught, it just confirms for him 643 00:39:24,229 --> 00:39:26,564 there must be something special about him 644 00:39:26,648 --> 00:39:31,327 and it must be because he's smarter than the police. 645 00:39:31,412 --> 00:39:33,496 - He said that was the stupidest thing he ever did 646 00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:35,331 was make that phone call because now 647 00:39:35,416 --> 00:39:38,334 there was a vocal footprint of him 648 00:39:38,493 --> 00:39:40,670 that could give him away. 649 00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:44,590 - It's been over three years since he left the letter 650 00:39:44,749 --> 00:39:47,751 at the library about the Otero murders. 651 00:39:47,836 --> 00:39:50,754 And now he's craving publicity. 652 00:39:50,839 --> 00:39:53,257 And he'd murdered twice more. 653 00:39:53,341 --> 00:39:55,101 But police still haven't revealed 654 00:39:55,185 --> 00:39:58,262 there's a serial killer in Wichita. 655 00:39:58,346 --> 00:40:00,857 This keeps them in control of the narrative 656 00:40:00,941 --> 00:40:03,684 and drives BTK to the media. 657 00:40:03,768 --> 00:40:05,686 ♪ ♪ 658 00:40:05,779 --> 00:40:10,032 - I was on duty at KAKE as the chief photographer. 659 00:40:10,117 --> 00:40:12,702 The receptionist out front called back, 660 00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:14,287 and I took the call, and she said, 661 00:40:14,371 --> 00:40:16,030 "You know, I have an odd letter here." 662 00:40:16,114 --> 00:40:18,708 So I took a look at it, 663 00:40:18,792 --> 00:40:23,296 and it was a letter talking about Nancy Fox, 664 00:40:23,455 --> 00:40:25,789 detailing several different things. 665 00:40:25,874 --> 00:40:29,627 But the chilling moment in that letter was the line, 666 00:40:29,711 --> 00:40:32,805 "How many people do I have to kill 667 00:40:32,964 --> 00:40:35,883 "before I get my name in the paper? 668 00:40:35,976 --> 00:40:39,312 BTK." 669 00:40:39,396 --> 00:40:40,313 - Executive producer Ron Loewen 670 00:40:40,397 --> 00:40:41,898 received the letter. 671 00:40:41,982 --> 00:40:43,399 He's with us today to give us the information. 672 00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:44,975 Ron. 673 00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:46,319 - Jack, the communication came in the form 674 00:40:46,478 --> 00:40:48,312 of a two-page typewritten letter 675 00:40:48,396 --> 00:40:50,814 addressed to KAKE channel 10. 676 00:40:50,899 --> 00:40:53,493 It was signed with the initials BTK. 677 00:40:53,577 --> 00:40:57,238 BTK claims to have strangled a total of seven women-- 678 00:40:57,322 --> 00:40:59,582 Seven people, rather, mostly women. 679 00:40:59,666 --> 00:41:01,334 He provided a list of his victims 680 00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:02,919 beginning with the number five. 681 00:41:03,078 --> 00:41:04,578 - During the newscast, 682 00:41:04,663 --> 00:41:06,247 the police chief walks into the studio, 683 00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:08,257 takes a seat, 684 00:41:08,416 --> 00:41:11,502 and we cut to LaMunyon, 685 00:41:11,595 --> 00:41:13,846 and LaMunyon picks up the story. 686 00:41:13,931 --> 00:41:17,007 - BTK has killed seven people, Chief. 687 00:41:17,092 --> 00:41:19,260 What kind of leads do you have? 688 00:41:19,344 --> 00:41:23,430 - Very honestly, we have no solid leads at all. 689 00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:25,349 We have a general lead. 690 00:41:25,442 --> 00:41:27,276 We have circumstantial evidence. 691 00:41:27,435 --> 00:41:29,019 We have absolutely nothing 692 00:41:29,104 --> 00:41:32,856 that will point us to any one particular individual. 693 00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:35,952 - Chief LaMunyon made the decision 694 00:41:36,036 --> 00:41:39,622 that in fairness to the public, he needed to warn them 695 00:41:39,781 --> 00:41:43,200 that there was a serial killer afoot in Wichita after all. 696 00:41:43,285 --> 00:41:48,539 - This guy is in our community, and he's killing our people. 697 00:41:48,623 --> 00:41:51,551 - When they finally announced that there was a serial killer 698 00:41:51,635 --> 00:41:53,043 on the loose in Wichita, 699 00:41:53,136 --> 00:41:54,387 what was that like for you? 700 00:42:07,568 --> 00:42:11,237 - Dennis Rader loved the idea that he was a serial killer. 701 00:42:11,321 --> 00:42:16,734 It was the hottest aspect of his identity. 702 00:42:16,827 --> 00:42:18,995 And his need for attention 703 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,581 would ultimately be his downfall. 704 00:42:21,665 --> 00:42:24,500 - The most important thing that everyone can do 705 00:42:24,659 --> 00:42:26,252 is certainly be aware 706 00:42:26,411 --> 00:42:28,329 that we do have a very serious problem. 707 00:42:28,413 --> 00:42:32,583 - That was like an atomic bomb going off in the city. 708 00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:35,252 - The whole city was turned upside down. 709 00:42:35,345 --> 00:42:37,263 There were 200,000 people here. 710 00:42:37,347 --> 00:42:39,423 It changed the lives of 200,000 people. 711 00:42:39,507 --> 00:42:41,851 - You're dealing with a person who is perverted, 712 00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:43,093 a person that is sick. 713 00:42:43,178 --> 00:42:46,430 - People were just terrified. 714 00:42:46,523 --> 00:42:48,766 Question for Wichita back then 715 00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:50,851 is, how many more people are gonna die? 716 00:42:50,935 --> 00:42:56,949 ♪ ♪ 717 00:42:58,201 --> 00:42:59,702 - People were frightened. 718 00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:01,195 - That person is gonna kill again. 719 00:43:01,279 --> 00:43:02,538 - When she turned to check on the baby, 720 00:43:02,697 --> 00:43:04,114 he pounced on her. 721 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,283 - There were a number of other young women 722 00:43:06,376 --> 00:43:08,252 who he was going to murder. 723 00:43:11,873 --> 00:43:13,290 ♪ ♪ 724 00:43:13,375 --> 00:43:16,543 - The sexual arousal started to escalate. 725 00:43:16,628 --> 00:43:17,887 ♪ ♪ 726 00:43:18,046 --> 00:43:19,138 - Rader really enjoyed 727 00:43:19,297 --> 00:43:21,474 this game with law enforcement. 728 00:43:21,558 --> 00:43:23,300 - Taunting police. 729 00:43:23,385 --> 00:43:25,302 Who was gonna be the next victim? 730 00:43:25,387 --> 00:43:28,555 - All of a sudden, BTK is back. 731 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,649 ♪ ♪ 732 00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:33,903 [siren wailing] 733 00:43:33,987 --> 00:43:36,230 - Dennis Rader has gotten away with this 734 00:43:36,323 --> 00:43:38,491 for 30 years. 735 00:43:38,575 --> 00:43:40,317 - Eventually, he would slip up. 736 00:43:40,402 --> 00:43:42,411 I said, "We're gonna get this guy. 737 00:43:42,496 --> 00:43:44,071 I don't care what it takes." 738 00:43:44,155 --> 00:43:44,997 ♪ ♪ 58010

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