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Who shot Jerry and Marilyn?
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Alstory Simon.
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Did you know a man named
Anthony Porter or Tony Porter?
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No, I don't.
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Why didn't you tell the,
uh, investigator what you knew
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about the killing of these people
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given that he had told you
that an innocent man
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was about to be executed?
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Anthony Porter was
the trigger of all of this.
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How does an innocent man
sit on death row
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for 15 years and gets no relief?
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Except for the students of journalism
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at Northwestern University.
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How the hell does that happen?
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In America that happened.
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Wasn't China, wasn't Korea.
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It was in the greatest country
in the world, America.
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If it hadn't been for the students
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at Northwestern University,
he'd be dead and buried.
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In 1983, Anthony Porter
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was sentenced to death
for the murders of teenagers
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Jerry Hillard and Marilyn Green
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at the Washington Park swimming pool
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on Chicago's South Side.
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Anthony Porter's 1999 release
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was the 10th death row exoneration
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since capital punishment
was reinstated in 1977.
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Allegations of police brutality
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and coerced confessions
were now commonplace.
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The "Chicago Tribune"
published a multi-part series
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focusing on these botched convictions
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malicious prosecutions and the lawsuits
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and massive financial awards
that followed.
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Nearly every phase
of the criminal justice system
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now operated under a cloud of suspicion.
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To free a wrongfully convicted man
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who had spent 15 years behind bars
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for a double homicide he did not commit
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and was 48 hours
away from being executed
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has got to be the great dream
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of any reporter anywhere.
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I don't know that you could contrive
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a story more wonderful than that.
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No, I'm frankly outraged that
the state was willing, ready
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and able to execute an innocent man.
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And if it had not been for
his attorneys getting a stay
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on September 21st, my students and I
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would not have had
the opportunity to free him.
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David Protess
was a Northwestern University
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journalism professor, author,
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and leader of the school's
Innocence Project.
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I had the opportunity
to take David Protess'
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investigative journalism class.
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And I ended up working
on the case of Anthony Porter.
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Anthony had come
within 50 hours of execution
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exactly a week before we started class.
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He received a stay at the last minute.
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But he didn't receive a stay because
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anyone thought he was innocent.
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He received a stay because
his IQ had been tested at 51
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and there were questions about whether
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he was competent to be executed.
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We went and we reenacted the crime.
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And we found out that
the eyewitness who said
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he had seen Anthony Porter
committing the crime
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couldn't have seen it at all.
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That witness recanted his testimony.
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And the case against Mr.
Porter began to fall apart.
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The students teamed up
with a private investigator.
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A fellow by the name of Paul Ciolino.
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Then we tracked down
the ex-wife of the person
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we thought was the real killer.
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And she told us on video
that she had been there
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when her husband committed the crime.
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The betrayal led to a man
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named Alstory Simon in Milwaukee.
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A private investigator obtained
a videotape confession
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from Simon that he and not Mr. Porter
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had killed the couple in the
park in Chicago in 1982.
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And Anthony was released on
the state's motion 2 days later.
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I'm absolutely thrilled and ecstatic
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that an innocent man
is gonna be walking to freedom.
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And having played some role in that
just makes me feel exhilarated.
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As far as the media was
concerned, they were heroes.
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They spared the innocent guy from death
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and it was a huge story
in Chicago and nationally.
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On the issue of capital punishment.
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One of the people is Anthony Porter.
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He spent 16 years on death row
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he was within 2 days of being executed.
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In 1996, Protess freed
4 convicted murderers.
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2 of them from death row.
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In a case known as
"The Ford Heights Four."
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People began to jokingly say
that my home telephone number
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is on every prison cellblock
wall in America.
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The Anthony Porter case
was pivotal moment
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in the abolition of
the death penalty in Illinois.
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It was the case that
widely reported to have moved
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Governor Ryan from his being
on the fence
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about the death penalty to being
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actively very concerned
about its administration.
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I'm commuting the sentence
of all death row inmates.
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167 of them.
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Everything that I have believed in
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about the criminal justice system
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was now coming into question
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with the botched conviction
of Mr. Porter.
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You can sort of draw
almost a direct line
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from the shock
that Governor Ryan felt about
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what almost happened to Anthony Porter
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to the abolition of the death
penalty nearly a decade later.
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My first reaction was, "Oh, my God!"
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"Don't tell me we almost
put an innocent man to death."
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It was the most emotional time
in my life.
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I saw it on the news.
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Governor Ryan was on there and he said
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"Come on up here, little buddy"
and it was Anthony Porter.
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And then the governor
was explaining the fine work
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of this journalism class
and I was amazed.
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I was confused and actually
I got depressed over it.
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What did I do wrong?
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I prided myself in conducting
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good investigations.
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It... it just blew me away.
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Richard Devine was the state's attorney
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of Cook County, Illinois.
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Once again
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in the crosshairs of the media
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and wrongful conviction movement
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he ordered a grand jury investigation
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into the 1982 murders.
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We should get these
allegations in court.
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Assistant State's Attorney Thomas Gainer
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led the grand jury
investigation to find out
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who really killed Jerry and Marilyn.
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The state's attorney's office
took testimony
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from witnesses who were
in the park at the time
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of the shooting and also David Protess
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his students and
investigator, Paul Ciolino.
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After the conclusion
of the grand jury proceedings
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Anthony Porter's conviction was vacated.
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He was a free man.
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Through the Northwestern
investigation, the guilty guy
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Alstory Simon was put in
prison and the innocent guy
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Anthony Porter was released.
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There was one problem though,
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Anthony Porter killed those 2 people.
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It was one big lie.
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The thing I remember about
Anthony Porter being released in 1999
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was the hug picture.
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It was enough to make my blood boil.
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This case had a motive behind
it bigger than the crime.
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They did it, they killed
the death penalty.
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On the wrong case.
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Anthony Porter's
going back to court today.
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He's planning to file a suit against
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8 Chicago police officers.
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My reaction to the announcement
of that lawsuit was... I was livid.
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I was furious. I was insulted.
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I just couldn't believe
that it was happening.
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When you get sued like that,
you have to go in
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and list all your assets.
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I can lose... everything
that I'd worked for, over what?
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Porter's contention,
according to the lawsuit was
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uh, that we manufactured the case.
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They railroaded him.
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This was the first time in
the 17 years since his arrest
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that Porter said
he was tortured by police.
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To be accused of being racist by
the lawsuit, that made me angry.
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That ain't me.
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We're professionals.
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We didn't operate that way.
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And I knew that he had
no business suing me
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because I had not done anything wrong.
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Nor had any of
the other police officers.
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Northwestern had a real good PR machine
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and they were churning out
a lot of different articles
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a lot of different TV interviews
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and I started listening to the facts.
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What they were saying,
and I said wait a minute
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this isn't the same case.
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I said there's...
There's something going on.
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But what's going on
is not what you see on TV.
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Walter Jones was hired
to defend the city of Chicago
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against Porter's civil suit.
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When I got called by the mayor's office
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and they said,
"Walter, we got a problem."
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We've got a guy
who has been on death row
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for over 16 years
and all of a sudden now
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he's gotten a pardon of innocence
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and the case has
turned into a huge mess.
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But it's not a case that
we are prepared to fold on
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because we have some police
officers who are adamant
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that they never did anything wrong.
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I knew that he had not
been wrongly accused.
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I knew that he belonged in jail.
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We got the right guy.
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We got the right offender.
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Jim Delorto and John Mazzola
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are retired federal investigators
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who took an interest in this case.
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They now work for Alstory
Simon's legal team.
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My partner Jim Delorto and I went to
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Danville Correctional Center
to interview Alstory Simon
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to find out if he could enlighten us
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as to what happened and why
he confessed to this crime.
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So we went down there,
hoping to learn something
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and we were astonished
by what he told us.
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In July 2001, without help
from an attorney
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Alstory Simon filed
a post conviction petition
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claiming that he was innocent.
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And that his confession was coerced.
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I never murdered anybody.
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I didn't have no involvement
in Marilyn Green's
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and Jerry Hillard's death.
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New allegations of misconduct
in the Porter-Simon cases
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have been filed in a complaint
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with the Illinois Supreme Court.
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It alleges Alstory Simon's lawyer knew
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he was innocent and that Porter
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should have never
been released from prison.
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Attorneys Jim Sotos and Terry Ekl
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now represent Alstory Simon.
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In my heart of hearts,
and I will go to my grave
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believing that Anthony Porter
committed this murder.
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And that Alstory Simon is 100% innocent.
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I'm just tired of this stuff.
I know that I'm innocent
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and these people just keep coming up
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bringing this stuff up,
like, harassing me.
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If we're gonna try this case,
we have to try this case
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like it was a brand new case.
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And we must show the jury
that he was guilty
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beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Because if we don't do that
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that verdict is going to be $24 million.
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People know that I'm innocent
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everybody know
that I'm innocent, you know.
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I'm innocent and this is what
happened to me.
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Based on all the work that we had done,
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there was no question in our mind that
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we had gotten this right
from the very beginning.
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And that Porter was responsible
for those killings.
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August 15, 1982
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in the very, very early hours of
August 15 after the conclusion of the,
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uh, Bud Billiken Parade.
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The community has a big parade
which ends at Washington Park
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and it's a day of celebration
in the black community
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with picnicking and games and...
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There were thousands
of people in the park.
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By 7 or 8 o'clock at night,
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the neighborhood starts to quiet down.
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Everybody's worn out.
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They've been partying
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since early in the day.
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And we look forward to the night because
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usually that night
was really quite calm.
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The night Jerry and Marilyn got killed
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I was 13 years old in 1982.
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Ray Brown didn't come forward
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with his story until 2006
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because he heard Porter had already
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been arrested for the crime.
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William Taylor
was the state's star witness
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against Porter at his 1983 trial.
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Just a fun, warm night,
drinking, socializing
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and... and it was extremely hot.
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So I said,
"Well, let's all go to the pool."
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On a hot night,
people got over the fences
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or through the fences.
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They swam, actually harmless fun.
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They didn't have enough police
working that night
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to chase them out and I don't think
we'd have chased them out anyway.
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Jerry Hilliard and Marilyn
Green were 18 and 19 years old
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sitting in the bleachers
of Washington Park
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about 1:00 in the morning
enjoying the night.
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First upon arrival,
I walked in through the gate
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to get into the bleachers.
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'Cause I seen Jerry and I seen his girl.
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And I spoke to him in, like
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"Little Ray,
your little bad self always."
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"Now, what you fitting gonna do?"
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You know, I'm like
"I'm fitting go swimming." You know.
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I was at the wrong place
at the wrong time.
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If I had kept my ass at home,
who knows how much better
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or more... much more pleasant
my life would have been.
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My partner Geraldine Perry and I were
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violent crime detectives
and we heard the call of, uh,
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2 people shot in Washington Park
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in the bleachers just to
the west of the swimming pool
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alongside of the field house.
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And the police, when they
investigated the crime scene
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they found a necklace on the
floor here of Marilyn Green.
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And the police speculated that
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a motive may have been robbery
and that she resisted
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because she was shot through
her hand and into her neck.
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After she got shot,
her boyfriend got shot.
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He was shot twice in the head.
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Marilyn Green, after getting
shot, was holding her neck.
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She staggered down these steps.
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She came out this north gate
towards the parking lot
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right when Officer Anthony Liace
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was pulling up in his squad car.
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She was holding her neck
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pointing towards the bleachers
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and then she ran past Liace
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and then Officer Billy Johnson
had a squad care there.
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Marilynn Green was placed
in Officer Johnson's squad car
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and rushed to the hospital.
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Officers Liace and Anderson
ran south behind the bleachers
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and saw a man fleeing the area.
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They stopped and frisked the man.
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Finding no weapon, they let him go.
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My partner and I proceeded
up into the stands
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where we saw a young man leaning back
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against the back wall of the bleachers.
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I told the 2 witnesses
to grab the victim's shoulders
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and I grabbed his feet
and we walked him down
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out of the stands.
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He was in very serious condition.
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We called for a wagon to transport him
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to the hospital soon as possible.
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The wagon took him off
to Billings Hospital
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where he died later.
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I found out later that the female victim
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had died at Providence Hospital.
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It was a loss.
I mean, she was so young.
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And she had 2 kids.
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Well, I love my sister, and I miss her.
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And I wish it never happened.
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I wish she was never up
up in Washington Park.
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Detectives Dwyer and Perry
interviewed witnesses
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Henry Williams and William Taylor.
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And learned that Porter had
robbed Williams at gunpoint
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before entering the bleachers
and sitting near the victims.
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Henry told me this... this himself.
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That Porter had came over by him
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and stuck him up.
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I came to work
at approximately 20 after 4.
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My supervising sergeant
called me in and he said
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"Chuck, you and Dennis are
gonna pick up the double
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from Washington Park last night."
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So we talked to the detectives,
we reviewed the reports
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and then we talked to the witnesses.
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One of the witnesses, William Taylor
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he wanted to leave.
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At that point, he was telling
us he saw the shooting
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but he didn't know who the offender was.
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But the robbery victim
said to us off to the side
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"Listen, he's lying to you."
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He actually did see the murder.
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He knows who did it,
but he's really afraid.
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Taylor admitted to detectives
Salvatore and Gray
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that he did see Porter shoot the victims
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but he was terrified
of Porter and his family.
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A couple of the Porter brothers knew me
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and that I was involved in this case.
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I said, well, anything to keep any harm
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from coming to my great grandmother.
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Because I actually witnessed him mugging
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2 seniors one day in front the building.
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After Taylor ID'd Porter as the shooter
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detectives called
Assistant State's Attorney
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David Kerstein
from the Felony Review Unit.
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It was Kerstein's job to ensure the case
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had enough evidence for prosecution.
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After talking to the 2 witnesses
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I had a conversation
with the detectives involved.
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And I said,
"I'm sorry, it's not enough for me."
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So what I demanded that they do
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is that we transport the witnesses
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to the park to reenact the crime itself.
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The 5 of us, we go to Washington Park.
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You know, they were walking
us through, uh
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what happened and where they
were at etcetera, etcetera.
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Now, I made sure that they
were independent of each other
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and the reason for it is I didn't want
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one of the witnesses to
influence the other witness.
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The first 2 witnesses to come in were
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William Taylor and Henry Williams.
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It was about 1:00 in the morning.
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They decided to hop the fence in here.
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Right behind me, they hopped the
fence in here to go swimming.
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And they came over the fence,
took off some of their clothes
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proceeded to the south part of the pool
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and they jumped in the water
and went swimming.
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Then, Williams decides he's had enough
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and he comes out right
in this area where I'm at
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and starts to put his cloths back on.
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As he's doing that, he sees
a man approach him
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and as that man gets closer he realizes
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it's somebody he knows
from the neighborhood.
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It's Tony Porter.
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Tony Porter comes up to him and says
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"Give me your money."
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And Williams says,
"I don't have any money."
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Porter then takes out a gun and puts it
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right to Williams' head,
to his forehead.
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Reaches in Williams' pocket,
pulls out $2 and says
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"I'm giving you a break."
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He doesn't shoot him and he walks away.
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And Williams then said a few
minutes later when he looked
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to the north end of the bleachers
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he could see Porter up at the top
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with the 2 victims.
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And then a few minutes later,
Taylor comes out of the pool
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and he starts to dry off
and he hears shots.
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And he turns around to the
north side of the bleachers
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where he hears the shots coming from.
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Taylor says he sees Porter
at point blank range
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pointing the gun at a male victim.
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And he see's Porter fire the gun.
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And the victim falls back.
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Taylor then says he sees Porter
shoot the victim again.
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After the shots are fired,
Porter runs down the stairs
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right down this walkway from the north
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towards me to the south.
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I looked up and I saw him
running down the steps.
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Right past me out the south gate.
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Tony Porter.
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At that point, I was somewhat satisfied
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with what they had told me
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matched their interview that
I had earlier at the station.
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And we found out that the eyewitness
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who said he had seen Anthony Porter
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committing the crime
couldn't have seen it at all.
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In 1999, the Northwestern
students conducted
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a reenactment in Washington Park
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and concluded that William Taylor
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couldn't have seen Porter
commit the murders.
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00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:20,479
Because his view would have
been blocked by an iron fence
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00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:22,181
and obstructions in the bleachers.
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And they all said it took
place at the very corner
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of the bleachers.
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I saw the crime photographs and I says
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"Wait a minute, this is wrong."
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They're wrong.
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The students were not examining
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the actual crime location.
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And were unaware that the
obstructions they cited in 1999
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weren't in the bleachers in 1982.
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You can look from the pool
area up into the bleachers.
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Unobstructed, even through
the fence you can see.
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While Kerstein questioned
Taylor and Williams at the pool
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00:21:57,683 --> 00:21:59,785
a detective overheard 2 men talking
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00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:02,488
about seeing Porter kill the victims.
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00:22:02,521 --> 00:22:04,623
Their names were Kenneth Edwards
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00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,325
and Michael Woodfork.
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00:22:06,358 --> 00:22:08,994
And they asked if we saw
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what happened last night
and Mike said yeah.
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That's when they find out, that's
when they get to know the story
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that, no, we saw what happened.
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So then he started talking to him
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and he started walking back
with him and he says
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"You ain't gonna believe this."
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He says, "They saw the shooting"
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and they just ID'd Porter.
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It was out of nowhere that
these 2 other witnesses
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who had been previously undiscovered.
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No one knew of them,
came forward to talk to us.
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I am positive
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that Anthony Porter killed those people.
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I saw him with my own eyes.
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With this new information,
detectives took Edwards
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and Woodfork to the police
station for further interviews.
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They also spoke with Mark
Senior and Eugene Beckwith.
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00:22:52,504 --> 00:22:55,774
Two witnesses who saw Porter in
the stands with the victims.
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Like William and Taylor, those 4 guys
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00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:01,813
entered the pool area from the north
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walked along that same walkway
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and then when they got
to the point right here
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where they were about to hop the fence
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they looked up in the bleachers
and they saw 4 people.
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3 men and 1 female.
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And Edwards, Beckwith
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and Senior would all tell the police
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that one of the men up in
the bleachers was Tony Porter
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and Tony Porter was somebody
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they knew from the neighborhood.
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00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:28,206
And we walked past them and we were like
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"What's up Tone? What's up Tone?"
you know.
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'Cause he was the only one we knew
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00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:33,945
out of those 4 people.
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00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:36,315
Beckwith and Edwards
decide to go swimming
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And they proceed to hop the fence
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and come into the pool area.
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And they jump in the water.
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'Cause they're gonna use
the diving boards
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at the south end of the pool.
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00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:46,057
They were on these diving boards
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at the time of the shooting.
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According to Beckwith,
he was on the high dive
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and he noticed on the north
end of the bleachers
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4 people, 3 men and a woman.
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And he says Tony Porter
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was absolutely one
of the person's in that group.
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He saw a male stand up
and shoot somebody.
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00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:03,141
He's not sure if Porter
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00:24:03,174 --> 00:24:05,076
was actually the guy who fired the gun.
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00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:07,245
Edwards was the guy who had
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already jumped off the diving board
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and was standing
right about where I'm at
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which is a raised area.
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And from here
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you can easily see over the fence
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into the north part of the bleachers.
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00:24:18,424 --> 00:24:20,492
And he actually saw Porter
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00:24:20,526 --> 00:24:23,395
fire the gun that killed Jerry Hillard.
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00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:25,397
And all of a sudden
you just see pow, pow.
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When I see that, I tell
Eugene to get down
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'cause I don't want them to see
us up there seeing them.
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I saw Porter.
512
00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:37,008
I saw Tony Porter and I saw him do it.
513
00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:39,911
So I wanna get down because
I don't want him to know
514
00:24:39,945 --> 00:24:42,581
that that's us up there
because he knows us.
515
00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:46,284
Edwards then exited
the pool area to the south
516
00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:48,119
along with Beckwith.
517
00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:49,220
We're not looking back.
518
00:24:49,254 --> 00:24:50,922
We're just taking off.
519
00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:56,395
So once I got off the diving
board and went in 9 feet
520
00:24:56,428 --> 00:25:00,098
I swam up to get out
of the swimming pool.
521
00:25:01,132 --> 00:25:03,702
And, uh, I see Anthony Porter.
522
00:25:03,735 --> 00:25:06,304
Right there in the bleachers.
523
00:25:07,639 --> 00:25:09,508
He shot 'em and killed 'em and he ran.
524
00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:12,143
You know, leaving out the swimming pool.
525
00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:14,480
Senior and Woodfork were
526
00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:17,483
in the bleachers here
talking to a couple of girls
527
00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,217
And when the shots were fired
528
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:20,719
they looked behind them
529
00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:23,254
to the north and saw
the shots being fired.
530
00:25:23,288 --> 00:25:25,491
Of the 4 people that were there
531
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,393
how many were men and
how many were women?
532
00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:29,260
3 men, 1 woman.
533
00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:31,463
Anthony Porter being one
of the men, is that right?
534
00:25:31,497 --> 00:25:32,498
Correct.
535
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,232
None of those 3 people
536
00:25:34,265 --> 00:25:36,034
was Alstory Simon, is that correct?
537
00:25:36,067 --> 00:25:38,003
Not that I can recall, no.
538
00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:41,673
And the Northwestern students
539
00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:43,809
didn't even talk to those 4 witnesses.
540
00:25:45,243 --> 00:25:47,312
"Did you interview any of those people?"
541
00:25:47,345 --> 00:25:49,214
"No, we didn't because they all said
542
00:25:49,247 --> 00:25:52,150
it was too dark to
see anything, I think."
543
00:25:52,183 --> 00:25:53,919
"That's what I thought they said."
544
00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:55,787
That's just completely false.
545
00:25:55,821 --> 00:25:58,524
And for her to say that
is just mind boggling
546
00:25:58,557 --> 00:25:59,891
to act like the people in the park
547
00:25:59,925 --> 00:26:01,993
were inconsequential.
548
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:04,295
"Were you aware that
Kenneth Edwards identified
549
00:26:04,329 --> 00:26:06,732
Anthony Porter as
the shooter that night?"
550
00:26:06,765 --> 00:26:10,168
"No, I guess I didn't see that
part of the police report."
551
00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:13,204
A 100% positive Anthony Porter did it.
552
00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:14,740
I saw him.
553
00:26:14,773 --> 00:26:17,075
"Mr. Edwards identified Anthony Porter
554
00:26:17,108 --> 00:26:19,177
as the shooter that night, did he not?"
555
00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:22,013
"I would have to go back
over the report."
556
00:26:22,047 --> 00:26:23,181
"And your students didn't investigate
557
00:26:23,214 --> 00:26:24,783
these 4 men, did they?"
558
00:26:24,816 --> 00:26:26,251
"No."
559
00:26:26,284 --> 00:26:29,087
"You didn't ask Paul Ciolino
to find those 4 men?"
560
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,656
"No."
561
00:26:30,689 --> 00:26:32,524
"You didn't go out yourself
and look for those 4 men?"
562
00:26:32,558 --> 00:26:33,792
Answered, "No."
563
00:26:33,825 --> 00:26:35,494
Question, "None of your
group ever conducted
564
00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:37,128
any interview of those 4 men."
565
00:26:37,162 --> 00:26:38,464
Answer, "That's correct."
566
00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:41,032
Would you expect
your students to interview
567
00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:43,935
all people who claim
to have witnessed a crime
568
00:26:43,969 --> 00:26:45,136
the underlying crime?
569
00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:47,072
- No.
- Why not?
570
00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:49,541
Because many of the times
they can't be found.
571
00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:52,778
No one even attempted to find
any of these witnesses
572
00:26:52,811 --> 00:26:55,814
David Protess admitted that
in his grand jury testimony.
573
00:26:55,847 --> 00:26:59,585
We find other independent witness.
574
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:03,221
But the combination of all 4
575
00:27:03,254 --> 00:27:05,557
speaking to me independently
576
00:27:05,591 --> 00:27:08,259
added up to only one conclusion to me.
577
00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:10,261
And that was Anthony Porter
578
00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,964
was in some way involved in this case.
579
00:27:12,998 --> 00:27:16,301
It was at that point I then felt
580
00:27:16,334 --> 00:27:18,904
that a warrant for his
arrest should be made.
581
00:27:18,937 --> 00:27:20,572
After the warrant was issued
582
00:27:20,606 --> 00:27:22,273
Porter turned himself in
583
00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:25,076
but denied involvement in the murders.
584
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:26,945
The state called 3 witnesses
585
00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:29,481
at Porter's 1983 trial.
586
00:27:29,515 --> 00:27:31,683
William Taylor, Henry Williams
587
00:27:31,717 --> 00:27:34,419
and Officer Anthony Liace.
588
00:27:34,452 --> 00:27:36,822
Officer Liace identified Anthony Porter
589
00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:40,626
in court as the person he
stopped behind the bleachers.
590
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,594
Anthony Porter elected not to testify
591
00:27:42,628 --> 00:27:43,829
at his criminal trial.
592
00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:45,764
One of his friends did testify
593
00:27:45,797 --> 00:27:48,099
that he and Porter
were drinking all night
594
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:49,768
at Porter's house and outside
in the playground
595
00:27:49,801 --> 00:27:51,870
until the early hours of the morning.
596
00:27:51,903 --> 00:27:53,438
It was a jury trial.
597
00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:57,242
They came back and they found
him guilty of both homicides.
598
00:27:57,275 --> 00:27:59,144
After the jury found Porter guilty
599
00:27:59,177 --> 00:28:00,579
the death penalty phase began
600
00:28:00,612 --> 00:28:02,748
and the state called 2 witnesses.
601
00:28:02,781 --> 00:28:04,349
Earl Lewis testified
602
00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:06,051
that a couple weeks before the murders
603
00:28:06,084 --> 00:28:09,521
Anthony Porter walked by his
house, kicked his dog
604
00:28:09,555 --> 00:28:11,422
Lewis objected, Porter pulled out a gun
605
00:28:11,456 --> 00:28:14,292
and shot Lewis in the head.
606
00:28:14,325 --> 00:28:16,595
Luckily, Lewis survived.
607
00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:18,029
'Cause he was a bully.
He was...
608
00:28:18,063 --> 00:28:19,965
He was a terrified man back then.
609
00:28:19,998 --> 00:28:22,200
You say that name
back then, Anthony Porter
610
00:28:22,233 --> 00:28:24,536
everybody ran.
He was feared.
611
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:27,238
Just a renegade all the way around.
612
00:28:27,272 --> 00:28:29,575
Douglas McGhee testified that in 1979
613
00:28:29,608 --> 00:28:32,744
Anthony Porter robbed him
and viciously beat him.
614
00:28:32,778 --> 00:28:35,146
That robbery and beating
took place in Washington Park
615
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:37,315
in the very same bleachers
as the murders.
616
00:28:39,017 --> 00:28:41,352
Judge Robert Sklodowski sentenced Porter
617
00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,488
to death by lethal injection.
618
00:28:43,521 --> 00:28:45,957
And likened Porter to a shark
619
00:28:45,991 --> 00:28:48,426
that returns to the same feeding ground.
620
00:28:48,459 --> 00:28:51,196
This was not a case where these people
621
00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:53,732
had never seen Anthony Porter before
622
00:28:53,765 --> 00:28:55,967
and were seeing some stranger.
623
00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,103
They all knew who he was
624
00:28:58,136 --> 00:28:59,605
from the neighborhood.
625
00:28:59,638 --> 00:29:02,240
Anthony Porter did these murders
626
00:29:02,273 --> 00:29:04,009
and he got the break of his life
627
00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:06,277
when he got freed from the penitentiary.
628
00:29:06,311 --> 00:29:08,113
The reason that my students
were able to do it
629
00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:09,581
when the prosecutors did not
630
00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:12,217
is because the police started
with the assumption
631
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:13,752
that Anthony Porter was guilty
632
00:29:13,785 --> 00:29:15,587
and tried to build a case around him.
633
00:29:15,621 --> 00:29:17,022
They railroaded him.
634
00:29:17,055 --> 00:29:19,124
We started with no assumption at all.
635
00:29:19,157 --> 00:29:20,759
We stared
with an objective view of this.
636
00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:22,761
We didn't know whether
he was guilty or innocent.
637
00:29:22,794 --> 00:29:24,395
Our goal was to search for the truth.
638
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,865
Anyone who would look at the evidence
639
00:29:26,898 --> 00:29:31,436
and say that what Northwestern did in
this case was to search for the truth.
640
00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:33,171
We're working for the truth.
641
00:29:33,204 --> 00:29:35,340
That would be laughable.
642
00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:41,947
This is an email that David Protess sent
to Paul Ciolino on November 5, 1998
643
00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:46,785
before there had been any evidence
developed against Alstory Simon.
644
00:29:46,818 --> 00:29:49,420
William Taylor hadn't said a word.
645
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,256
They had not talked to Walter Jackson.
646
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:53,458
They had not talked to Inez Jackson.
647
00:29:53,491 --> 00:29:56,061
They hadn't talked to Alstory Simon.
648
00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:57,195
And yet at the beginning
649
00:29:57,228 --> 00:29:59,430
of November of 1998
650
00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:00,799
David Protess sends
651
00:30:00,832 --> 00:30:03,168
Paul Ciolino an email and says
652
00:30:03,201 --> 00:30:05,737
"Now, it's your turn to find people."
653
00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:09,808
"Here's what I have on the guy
we're almost certain was the killer
654
00:30:09,841 --> 00:30:14,245
in the crime for which
Anthony Porter faces death."
655
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,817
Protess and his journalism students
met Porter and his attorney in prison
656
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:22,553
on two separate occasions
in December 1998.
657
00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:26,557
I mean, th... this is
a journalist's dream.
658
00:30:26,591 --> 00:30:29,761
To be in a jail with a prisoner
659
00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:32,931
asking him all the vital questions.
660
00:30:32,964 --> 00:30:35,100
Let's take Shawn Armbrust.
661
00:30:35,133 --> 00:30:39,070
"What was it about that meeting that
convinced you he was innocent?"
662
00:30:39,104 --> 00:30:40,571
"Well, the reason we were
going to meet him
663
00:30:40,605 --> 00:30:42,874
was to ask him
if he committed the crime."
664
00:30:42,908 --> 00:30:45,276
"But the first thing he said
was that he was innocent."
665
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:49,915
"And I've heard people say that before
but he was more convincing."
666
00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,292
That sounds to me like Professor Protess
667
00:31:01,326 --> 00:31:05,196
was teaching his students
advocacy, not journalism.
668
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:07,032
A grand juror asked another student
669
00:31:07,065 --> 00:31:08,767
Syandene Rhodes.
670
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,368
"What would you say is the objective
671
00:31:10,401 --> 00:31:12,971
of your assignment you were given?"
672
00:31:13,004 --> 00:31:16,074
"I believe the objective would be
to find any evidence, interview
673
00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:19,010
anyone you could that would
lead you to freeing this man."
674
00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:21,346
So there you have an honest answer.
675
00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:23,414
It wasn't about finding the truth
676
00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,383
it was about freeing Anthony Porter.
677
00:31:26,684 --> 00:31:28,219
It's interesting
after hearing all this evidence
678
00:31:28,253 --> 00:31:29,888
a grand juror even asked
679
00:31:29,921 --> 00:31:33,691
"Is it possible that you were just
a pawn in this whole process?"
680
00:31:33,725 --> 00:31:35,526
The grand juror asks
681
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,929
"What is motivating the move
towards this direction
682
00:31:37,963 --> 00:31:40,398
where there's a lot of evidence that
you've admitted that you've seen
683
00:31:40,431 --> 00:31:42,300
but passed over blindly?"
684
00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:43,935
And Syandene says,
685
00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:46,938
"I know what I've been doing
for the past month and that is
686
00:31:46,972 --> 00:31:49,140
investigating
Anthony Porter's innocence."
687
00:31:49,174 --> 00:31:50,976
And the grand juror says,
688
00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:53,278
"Or guilt. He may be guilty?"
689
00:31:53,311 --> 00:31:57,348
So what he has essentially
done in the grand jury
690
00:31:57,382 --> 00:31:59,017
there's no question about it.
691
00:31:59,050 --> 00:32:01,186
He has certainly proven that it was
692
00:32:01,219 --> 00:32:04,289
a meaningless investigation
by the students.
693
00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:06,157
But more importantly
694
00:32:06,191 --> 00:32:08,326
he's re-convicted Porter.
695
00:32:11,562 --> 00:32:14,232
For the last 16 years
he's waited on death row.
696
00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:15,500
Tonight, there's new information
697
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:17,168
that suggests he shouldn't be there.
698
00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:18,770
Now, the man who helped put him there
699
00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:21,907
the state's only witness
is changing his story.
700
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,208
One of the biggest fallacies
701
00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:24,675
of this entire saga
702
00:32:24,709 --> 00:32:27,779
is that Northwestern portrayed
703
00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:29,280
the situation to be that
704
00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:32,550
there was a single witness
who had identified
705
00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:35,120
Anthony Porter who then recanted.
706
00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:37,488
There were 6 witnesses
implicating Porter.
707
00:32:37,522 --> 00:32:39,958
Northwestern talked to one.
708
00:32:39,991 --> 00:32:41,026
Henry Williams was dead
709
00:32:41,059 --> 00:32:42,794
and Northwestern totally ignored
710
00:32:42,828 --> 00:32:45,263
the other four witnesses that
were in the park that night.
711
00:32:45,296 --> 00:32:47,332
And it was based on that portrayal
712
00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:49,534
that they were ultimately able to undo
713
00:32:49,567 --> 00:32:51,602
Anthony Porter's conviction.
714
00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:53,304
They stay on people
715
00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:55,106
to try to finally get something
716
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,375
out of them that fits their theory
717
00:32:57,408 --> 00:32:59,710
of who they think did the case.
718
00:32:59,744 --> 00:33:02,180
Tom McCann, one
of the Northwestern students
719
00:33:02,213 --> 00:33:04,382
was the first to contact Taylor.
720
00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:08,887
I got a phone call from
a student named Tom McCann.
721
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,189
He wanted to talk
about the Tony Porter case.
722
00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:13,925
I said, "Look, I'm through with this."
723
00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:15,493
"I don't want to be bothered."
724
00:33:15,526 --> 00:33:17,462
"Don't call here anymore."
725
00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:19,097
And hung up.
726
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:20,498
McCann talked to William Taylor
727
00:33:20,531 --> 00:33:22,333
and he prepared a memo.
728
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:24,469
In the memo, McCann says Taylor
729
00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:27,538
told him, "There was
no doubt in his mind
730
00:33:27,572 --> 00:33:29,607
that this man was guilty."
731
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,445
"He will not be happy until
Porter is finally executed."
732
00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:36,882
"And before hanging up he told McCann
733
00:33:36,915 --> 00:33:40,318
he didn't want to talk
about the case anymore."
734
00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:42,921
That's all Paul Ciolino needed to hear.
735
00:33:42,954 --> 00:33:45,290
Next thing I know
736
00:33:45,323 --> 00:33:47,592
Ciolino and McCann
737
00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:49,394
show up unannounced.
738
00:33:49,427 --> 00:33:53,264
They're telling me, "Well, you know
this is all for the better good"
739
00:33:53,298 --> 00:33:55,800
which I had no idea
what they're talking about.
740
00:33:55,833 --> 00:33:58,336
And then they're trying to tell me
741
00:33:58,369 --> 00:34:00,538
that in the end
742
00:34:00,571 --> 00:34:02,740
I was wrong.
743
00:34:02,773 --> 00:34:04,309
I don't know how that went down
744
00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:07,145
but they had basically convinced me that
745
00:34:07,178 --> 00:34:09,780
I didn't see him shoot anybody.
746
00:34:09,814 --> 00:34:12,918
But I did see him run out of the park.
747
00:34:12,951 --> 00:34:15,453
And I said, "Well, maybe
I did make a mistake,
748
00:34:15,486 --> 00:34:17,155
but I don't think I did."
749
00:34:17,188 --> 00:34:20,959
But I said, "Okay, if this is
the way they want to play this,
750
00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:23,028
I'll, yeah, I'll play the game."
751
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,030
You know, just to get them
out of my hair.
752
00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:27,665
Because then the cycle of
753
00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:29,600
calling my job
754
00:34:29,634 --> 00:34:31,036
upsetting my life again.
755
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,203
I wanted it done.
756
00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:34,105
I wanted it over with.
757
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:37,275
And then what, 20...
almost 20 years later.
758
00:34:37,308 --> 00:34:38,809
Again?
759
00:34:38,843 --> 00:34:42,580
No by any means possible,
here I'll sign this.
760
00:34:42,613 --> 00:34:44,382
And at that point
761
00:34:44,415 --> 00:34:49,387
Ciolino writes an affidavit a statement.
762
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,123
I did not see Anthony Porter
shoot anyone.
763
00:34:52,157 --> 00:34:55,626
I'm telling Tom he's just seen
something that's very, very rare.
764
00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:58,096
And that's the only surviving eyewitness
765
00:34:58,129 --> 00:34:59,897
in a murder case
retracting his testimony.
766
00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:03,501
It was a big moment and it was
a critical moment for Anthony Porter.
767
00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:06,171
The significance of this is
that William Taylor
768
00:35:06,204 --> 00:35:09,740
is the state's star witness in the case
and the only eyewitness in a case
769
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:12,410
where there is no confession
and no physical evidence.
770
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,546
So his recantation,
the admission of his lie
771
00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:19,084
indicates that there is now no
evidence against Anthony Porter.
772
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:20,518
So when you watch those clips
773
00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:22,220
you come away with a perception
774
00:35:22,253 --> 00:35:24,789
that the only witness
against Anthony Porter
775
00:35:24,822 --> 00:35:27,625
has now recanted his testimony
and there's no case against him.
776
00:35:27,658 --> 00:35:29,594
That couldn't have been further
from the truth.
777
00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:31,296
Then the eyewitness recanted.
778
00:35:31,329 --> 00:35:35,066
They call it recant and
what they get him to say is
779
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,236
"I was in the park, I never
saw Porter with a gun,
780
00:35:38,269 --> 00:35:40,305
I didn't see Porter fire the shot."
781
00:35:40,338 --> 00:35:43,074
And this is the journalism's professor
782
00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:44,909
of one of the top, if not the top
783
00:35:44,942 --> 00:35:47,045
journalism schools in the country.
784
00:35:47,078 --> 00:35:48,713
Does an affidavit
785
00:35:48,746 --> 00:35:50,115
that intentionally leaves out
786
00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:51,949
the most important fact of all.
787
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:53,918
I saw Anthony Porter
788
00:35:53,951 --> 00:35:56,354
run past, down the bleachers stairs
789
00:35:56,387 --> 00:35:59,257
right past me out of the south gate.
790
00:35:59,290 --> 00:36:01,726
That was something that William Taylor
791
00:36:01,759 --> 00:36:03,894
told Northwestern
792
00:36:03,928 --> 00:36:07,232
before they obtained his affidavit
793
00:36:07,265 --> 00:36:09,667
and they just left it
out of the affidavit.
794
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:11,936
"But that was not included
in the affidavit
795
00:36:11,969 --> 00:36:15,340
where he saw Anthony Porter
in the park that night, right?"
796
00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:16,507
"Right."
797
00:36:16,541 --> 00:36:19,910
They zeroed me out and spun me around.
798
00:36:19,944 --> 00:36:22,413
It's trying to make people
think that's all the evidence
799
00:36:22,447 --> 00:36:23,948
there was against Anthony Porter
800
00:36:23,981 --> 00:36:27,252
was William Taylor and he recanted
801
00:36:27,285 --> 00:36:29,920
therefore, it equals
Anthony Porter's innocence.
802
00:36:29,954 --> 00:36:32,190
That's a croc of BS.
803
00:36:32,223 --> 00:36:34,925
Anthony Porter,
I still think in my heart
804
00:36:34,959 --> 00:36:36,561
is guilty.
805
00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:39,064
This is the question from
state's attorney gainer.
806
00:36:39,097 --> 00:36:41,932
"But, Tom, what did you
tell us your purpose was?"
807
00:36:41,966 --> 00:36:43,801
"What were you doing this for?"
808
00:36:43,834 --> 00:36:46,537
"To find the truth,
but I'm a college student."
809
00:36:46,571 --> 00:36:48,906
"I mean, this took a long time."
810
00:36:48,939 --> 00:36:51,976
"Let's go with that, you're a
college student, I understand that."
811
00:36:52,009 --> 00:36:55,146
"Who told you to quit when you
got to the Taylor affidavit?"
812
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:57,348
"No one, we only had a very short time,
813
00:36:57,382 --> 00:37:00,585
so we decided to look
at the alternate suspect."
814
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,922
The trail that the students would follow
815
00:37:04,955 --> 00:37:07,825
began with the mother
of one of the murder victims.
816
00:37:11,262 --> 00:37:14,065
Mrs. Green told police
that Marilyn and Jerry
817
00:37:14,099 --> 00:37:17,602
left for the park that
day with Inez and Alstory.
818
00:37:17,635 --> 00:37:19,137
Which everybody knew to be the case.
819
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:21,139
Inez and Marilyn were friends.
820
00:37:21,172 --> 00:37:22,873
They, including Alstory Simon
821
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:24,875
were in the park
with thousands of other people
822
00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:26,444
earlier in the day.
823
00:37:26,477 --> 00:37:28,213
According to Inez's son
824
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,815
Sonny Jackson, his mother and Alstory
825
00:37:30,848 --> 00:37:33,584
came home early around
7 o'clock in the evening.
826
00:37:34,552 --> 00:37:36,421
The murders didn't take place
827
00:37:36,454 --> 00:37:39,524
until after 1:00 in the morning.
828
00:37:39,557 --> 00:37:42,760
A few weeks after the murders,
Simon and his family
829
00:37:42,793 --> 00:37:44,662
moved to another Chicago neighborhood
830
00:37:44,695 --> 00:37:47,132
because of gang attacks on their home.
831
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:50,835
Months later, they moved
to Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
832
00:37:59,377 --> 00:38:00,711
And they seized
833
00:38:00,745 --> 00:38:02,447
on the name of a guy who's name
834
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,249
had surfaced at some point
835
00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:06,951
but with no evidence and concluded
836
00:38:06,984 --> 00:38:10,288
that they were almost certain
he was the real killer.
837
00:38:10,321 --> 00:38:12,089
With Simon in their sights
838
00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:14,759
David Protess and 2 female students
839
00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:18,829
drove from Chicago
to Simon's home in Milwaukee.
840
00:38:18,863 --> 00:38:21,332
Protess sits in the car
841
00:38:21,366 --> 00:38:23,201
it's late at night.
842
00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:26,271
The 2 students knock on the front door.
843
00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:28,473
Alstory Simon invites them in
844
00:38:28,506 --> 00:38:30,941
closes the door, says,
"How can I help you?"
845
00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:33,711
They said that they were doing a...
846
00:38:33,744 --> 00:38:38,816
A story and writing a book
on justice and unsolved murders.
847
00:38:38,849 --> 00:38:41,419
And that my name popped up.
848
00:38:41,452 --> 00:38:44,121
I asked them, "What do you
mean my name popped up?"
849
00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:46,191
They asked me did Jerry Hillard
850
00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:48,626
and Marilyn Green ring a bell?
851
00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:50,228
I said, "Yeah, it ring a bell."
852
00:38:50,261 --> 00:38:52,563
So what's that got to do with me?
853
00:38:52,597 --> 00:38:55,200
I told them, you know, the truth
854
00:38:55,233 --> 00:38:58,169
that I didn't know nothing
about their deaths.
855
00:38:58,203 --> 00:39:00,205
The interview only lasted for
856
00:39:00,238 --> 00:39:03,040
maybe like 5 or 10 minutes.
857
00:39:03,073 --> 00:39:05,643
Then, after I escorted them out
858
00:39:05,676 --> 00:39:08,779
Professor Protess got out of this SUV
859
00:39:08,813 --> 00:39:10,915
and walked over to me
860
00:39:10,948 --> 00:39:12,817
and then tells me
861
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:16,020
uh, he want to thank me
for talking to his students.
862
00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:19,357
And give me a card
after introducing his-self.
863
00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:22,126
Uh, when the students walks
across the street
864
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,663
Professor Protess, he tells me that
865
00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:29,767
a man is getting ready
to die for something I did.
866
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,470
And I said, "Wha... what
do you mean something I did?"
867
00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:34,605
"What are you talking about?"
868
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,841
And then he tells me, uh
869
00:39:36,874 --> 00:39:40,911
we know that
you killed Jerry and Marilyn.
870
00:39:40,945 --> 00:39:42,713
I said, "Man, I ain't
killed nobody, man."
871
00:39:42,747 --> 00:39:45,450
"Whoever telling you that stuff
is sending you for a ride."
872
00:39:45,483 --> 00:39:49,887
"You get the hell away from me and...
And don't come to my house no more."
873
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,188
And he left.
874
00:39:55,593 --> 00:39:58,796
In 1999, Northwestern, at
the urging of Anthony Porter
875
00:39:58,829 --> 00:40:01,499
contacted Walter Jackson,
Alstory Simon's nephew.
876
00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:05,002
Jackson signed
an affidavit for Northwestern
877
00:40:05,035 --> 00:40:07,305
stating that Alstory Simon had told him
878
00:40:07,338 --> 00:40:11,175
that he had taken care
of Jerry and Marilyn.
879
00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:12,777
It sounded pretty suspicious.
880
00:40:12,810 --> 00:40:15,980
Why would this be something
he kept to himself for 17 years
881
00:40:16,013 --> 00:40:18,449
and he just reveals
to students from Northwestern
882
00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:20,418
but that's what he said.
883
00:40:20,451 --> 00:40:22,953
6 years later Simon's lawyers
talk to Walter Jackson
884
00:40:22,987 --> 00:40:25,690
and he told them a much different story.
885
00:40:25,723 --> 00:40:28,893
And what we learned
was that Anthony Porter
886
00:40:28,926 --> 00:40:32,162
had set this whole thing up from prison.
887
00:40:32,196 --> 00:40:33,998
Anthony Porter and Walter Jackson
888
00:40:34,031 --> 00:40:36,567
were incarcerated together.
889
00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:39,804
Anthony Porter had saved
Walter Jackson from an attack.
890
00:41:14,705 --> 00:41:16,441
He approached Walter Jackson
891
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:19,143
and he said, "Hey, can you help
me out with my case?"
892
00:41:19,176 --> 00:41:21,912
"We're trying to pin this
on Alstory Simon
893
00:41:21,946 --> 00:41:25,249
and you can help with that
and in return
894
00:41:25,282 --> 00:41:27,818
this Northwestern professor
that I'm working with
895
00:41:27,852 --> 00:41:30,455
can help get you out of prison."
896
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:34,525
"And we need your Aunt Inez
to help us with this too."
897
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,126
Walter Jackson admitted
898
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,064
that he lied about Simon's
involvement in the murders.
899
00:41:40,097 --> 00:41:43,167
In late 1998, Jackson alleged
900
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,503
that David Protess contacted him
901
00:41:45,536 --> 00:41:48,506
and told him that if he helped
free Anthony Porter
902
00:41:48,539 --> 00:41:50,240
he would work to get him out of jail.
903
00:41:50,274 --> 00:41:52,977
And that there would be money
waiting for him
904
00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:54,679
when he got out.
905
00:41:54,712 --> 00:41:56,814
So Walter Jackson agrees to do that.
906
00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,049
He calls his Aunt Inez.
907
00:41:59,083 --> 00:42:01,386
Alstory Simon's ex-wife, who
908
00:42:01,419 --> 00:42:04,321
they had had a horrible relationship
909
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:06,891
and she was very bitter
at him because of that.
910
00:42:06,924 --> 00:42:09,794
And Walter tells Inez that in return
911
00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:13,931
for her helping pin
the murders on Alstory Simon
912
00:42:13,964 --> 00:42:16,934
David Protess is not just gonna
get Walter out of prison
913
00:42:16,967 --> 00:42:19,770
he's gonna get Inez's son
914
00:42:19,804 --> 00:42:22,640
Sonny out of prison as well.
915
00:42:22,673 --> 00:42:24,341
He said, "What do you expect me to do?"
916
00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:25,543
And these guys are saying
917
00:42:25,576 --> 00:42:27,244
they'll help me get out of prison.
918
00:42:27,277 --> 00:42:29,146
I'll say whatever they want me to say.
919
00:42:29,179 --> 00:42:31,315
So I made up all that stuff about Al.
920
00:42:31,348 --> 00:42:33,618
Confessing to us and telling us that
921
00:42:33,651 --> 00:42:36,020
and, uh, so it was all a story.
922
00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:39,824
So it was actually hatched
by Anthony Porter from prison.
923
00:42:39,857 --> 00:42:41,225
Then, we tracked down
924
00:42:41,258 --> 00:42:44,361
the ex-wife of the person
we thought was the real killer.
925
00:42:44,395 --> 00:42:47,565
And she told us on video,
that she had been
926
00:42:47,598 --> 00:42:49,767
there when her husband
committed the crime.
927
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,101
David Protess and his students
928
00:42:51,135 --> 00:42:52,837
took Inez Jackson to a restaurant.
929
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:55,440
They bought her groceries
and a space heater.
930
00:42:55,473 --> 00:42:57,374
Later they went to
Shawn Armbrust's house
931
00:42:57,408 --> 00:43:00,044
in suburban Milwaukee where Inez Jackson
932
00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:02,212
gave a video taped statement
933
00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:05,516
stating that Alstory Simon
killed Jerry and Marilyn.
934
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:14,659
And she gives, as a reason that
935
00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:17,027
Jerry Hillard was a fellow gang member.
936
00:43:17,061 --> 00:43:19,997
He was holding back on drug money.
937
00:43:24,735 --> 00:43:27,905
Then, a fight ensued.
Then, he pulled out a gun.
938
00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:29,674
Shot Hillard intentionally
939
00:43:29,707 --> 00:43:32,209
and shot Marilyn Green accidentally.
940
00:43:36,714 --> 00:43:37,848
You heard at least 2, right?
941
00:43:37,882 --> 00:43:39,249
- Hmm.
- Okay.
942
00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:43,588
There's 4 people
at that pool that night.
943
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:46,591
3 males, 1 female.
944
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:50,461
Not one single person said
945
00:43:50,495 --> 00:43:52,930
2 males, 2 females.
946
00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:54,865
Which would have been
Northwestern's theory that
947
00:43:54,899 --> 00:43:57,167
Simon was there with Inez Jackson
948
00:43:57,201 --> 00:43:58,769
at the time of the shooting.
949
00:43:58,803 --> 00:44:00,705
There was only one female involved here
950
00:44:00,738 --> 00:44:02,473
and that was the victim.
951
00:44:02,507 --> 00:44:05,442
No one ever mentions me
the name of Alstory Simon.
952
00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:17,588
We went to Milwaukee
953
00:44:17,622 --> 00:44:20,324
to contact Inez Jackson.
954
00:44:20,357 --> 00:44:22,760
We had a lot of tough questions for her.
955
00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:25,129
She didn't know what time
the murders occurred.
956
00:44:30,768 --> 00:44:32,603
And that them shooting didn't
take place till
957
00:44:32,637 --> 00:44:34,639
between 1:00 and 2:00 in the morning.
958
00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:39,877
That there were only 2 shots fired
uh, one at... at each person.
959
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:43,313
Totally inconsistent with
what's in the police reports
960
00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:45,916
that the victims were shot 5 times.
961
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:47,752
You heard 2 shots, right?
962
00:44:47,785 --> 00:44:48,919
3.
963
00:44:48,953 --> 00:44:51,455
- You heard 3 shots?
- Mayb...
964
00:44:51,488 --> 00:44:54,158
It happened so fast.
I heard bang, bang, bang.
965
00:44:54,191 --> 00:44:56,326
It might been another bang, It would...
966
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,762
Well, how many shots did you hear?
967
00:44:57,795 --> 00:45:00,330
Really, maybe 3, maybe 4, I don't know.
968
00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:05,603
You did not say in that
videotape statement
969
00:45:05,636 --> 00:45:08,138
that you heard 3 or 4 shots, did you?
970
00:45:08,172 --> 00:45:10,675
I said I heard
971
00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:14,545
2 shots maybe 3.
He wrote down 2.
972
00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:17,081
But in the videotape statement,
you didn't say...
973
00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:18,949
I said I heard some shots.
974
00:45:18,983 --> 00:45:21,518
You didn't say you heard 3 or
4 shots, did you?
975
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:23,420
You said you heard 2 shots.
976
00:45:23,453 --> 00:45:24,889
I don't remember.
977
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:34,498
And she was gonna stick
with that story until
978
00:45:34,531 --> 00:45:36,867
she found out that she was gonna die.
979
00:45:40,437 --> 00:45:43,507
In 2005, Inez Jackson admitted
980
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:46,510
the whole Simon story was a lie.
981
00:45:46,543 --> 00:45:49,780
And for at least
half an hour on that videotape
982
00:45:49,814 --> 00:45:53,383
time and again she asserts 2 things.
983
00:45:53,417 --> 00:45:56,086
1, she lied, and Alstory Simon
984
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,122
was not the trigger man that night.
985
00:46:04,795 --> 00:46:06,363
The only reason why
986
00:46:06,396 --> 00:46:10,701
she gave that information was
because she was mad at me
987
00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:12,436
for walking out of the marriage
988
00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:14,571
and she saw a chance to get back.
989
00:46:20,911 --> 00:46:23,914
And the promises they had
made about her son
990
00:46:23,948 --> 00:46:26,483
and to help her nephew get out of jail.
991
00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:48,405
She had been promised all
kinds of favors from Protess.
992
00:46:48,438 --> 00:46:51,976
Including money
in exchange for her testimony.
993
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,259
This wasn't the first time
a witness had made allegations
994
00:47:09,293 --> 00:47:11,461
about money from movie and book deals.
995
00:47:11,495 --> 00:47:13,163
Charles McCraney
996
00:47:13,197 --> 00:47:16,033
the star witness in the Four
Heights Four case had made
997
00:47:16,066 --> 00:47:19,636
similar allegations against
David Protess in that case.
998
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:22,172
That might have been hard
to believe if Protess hadn't
999
00:47:22,206 --> 00:47:24,742
put these promises in writing.
1000
00:47:24,775 --> 00:47:26,711
It reads as follows.
1001
00:47:26,744 --> 00:47:31,081
"Stopped by to see you about
something important."
1002
00:47:31,115 --> 00:47:36,787
"Have information for you that
should be helpful financially."
1003
00:47:36,821 --> 00:47:39,056
Financially is underlined.
1004
00:47:39,089 --> 00:47:40,557
Then...
1005
00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:43,894
On Northwestern
University Evanston, Illinois
1006
00:47:43,928 --> 00:47:47,932
Medill School of Journalism stationery
1007
00:47:47,965 --> 00:47:50,167
he writes another letter.
1008
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,470
"Dear Charlie," and I'm simply
reading a portion of this.
1009
00:47:53,503 --> 00:47:57,742
"I could go on and on,
but I think you get the point."
1010
00:47:57,775 --> 00:48:01,678
"I easily can write this book
based on your various statements
1011
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:04,314
which frankly would make you look bad
1012
00:48:04,348 --> 00:48:07,718
or you could be courageous
by telling your real story
1013
00:48:07,752 --> 00:48:10,254
about what happened in this case."
1014
00:48:10,287 --> 00:48:12,857
"You don't have much longer to wait."
1015
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:15,760
"I'm moving ahead with my investigation
1016
00:48:15,793 --> 00:48:19,229
and book, and the movie
is sure to follow."
1017
00:48:20,664 --> 00:48:23,868
Protess wrote a book called
"Gone In The Night",
1018
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,670
and a CBS movie did follow.
1019
00:48:26,703 --> 00:48:28,839
It premiered a month before Protess
1020
00:48:28,873 --> 00:48:30,741
wrote the McCraney letters.
1021
00:48:32,542 --> 00:48:33,911
Mrs. Nathan?
1022
00:48:33,944 --> 00:48:35,579
- Yes.
- Hi, I'm David Protess.
1023
00:48:35,612 --> 00:48:37,047
I sent you a letter.
1024
00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:38,749
Charles McCraney told
private investigators
1025
00:48:38,783 --> 00:48:40,184
that David Protess
1026
00:48:40,217 --> 00:48:44,054
promised him $250,000
from movie and book deals.
1027
00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,991
And the way Protess describes
that encounter
1028
00:48:47,024 --> 00:48:49,994
in his own book is to say that
1029
00:48:50,027 --> 00:48:52,062
Protess introduced Ciolino
1030
00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:55,532
to the witness Charles
McCraney as Jerry Bruckheimer
1031
00:48:55,565 --> 00:49:00,404
a Hollywood producer,
and then Ciolino told McCraney
1032
00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:02,439
"If you're willing to tell your story
1033
00:49:02,472 --> 00:49:04,141
it could be worth something."
1034
00:49:04,174 --> 00:49:07,244
And McCraney said, "How about
start paying for my time?"
1035
00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,114
And Ciolino then pulled out
a gold money clip
1036
00:49:10,147 --> 00:49:11,916
peeled off 4 crisp 20s
1037
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:13,951
and tossed them on the table.
1038
00:49:13,984 --> 00:49:17,154
But you did, for instance,
pay Charles McCraney
1039
00:49:17,187 --> 00:49:19,689
or Mr. Ciolino did, 80 or $100
to meet with him
1040
00:49:19,723 --> 00:49:21,758
at a Kentucky Fried Chicken, right?
1041
00:49:23,894 --> 00:49:26,997
As to the question pertaining to me
1042
00:49:27,031 --> 00:49:29,099
the answer is no, I did not.
1043
00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:31,936
Mr. Ciolino paid him
for his time, right?
1044
00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:34,171
Shocked the shit out of me
when it happened.
1045
00:49:34,204 --> 00:49:36,907
But he's part of your team, isn't he?
1046
00:49:36,941 --> 00:49:39,209
Right, but I don't control Paul Ciolino
1047
00:49:39,243 --> 00:49:41,045
the same way he doesn't control me.
1048
00:49:41,078 --> 00:49:43,113
Right, but if you were there,
you were there with him, right?
1049
00:49:43,147 --> 00:49:44,448
Objection.
1050
00:49:44,481 --> 00:49:46,550
So that seems to me
to be part of their MO.
1051
00:49:46,583 --> 00:49:49,820
They go to impoverished people
who don't have a lot of money
1052
00:49:49,854 --> 00:49:51,621
and make them promises
1053
00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:53,924
and basically get them to recant.
1054
00:50:13,777 --> 00:50:17,481
After she, uh, did that declaration, um
1055
00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:20,784
a month or 2 months later, she died.
1056
00:50:21,818 --> 00:50:23,520
There is no evidence today
1057
00:50:23,553 --> 00:50:26,223
because everybody's recanted
in this case.
1058
00:50:26,256 --> 00:50:28,092
The only evidence holding
1059
00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:29,860
Alstory Simon in prison
1060
00:50:29,894 --> 00:50:31,061
was his confession.
1061
00:50:31,095 --> 00:50:33,197
And a week later, her husband confessed
1062
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:36,733
to private investigator
Paul Ciolino on video.
1063
00:50:45,775 --> 00:50:47,211
There was a time when
1064
00:50:47,244 --> 00:50:48,845
people believed that
1065
00:50:48,879 --> 00:50:50,747
innocent people
did not confess to crimes.
1066
00:50:50,780 --> 00:50:52,582
And I was among those people.
1067
00:50:52,616 --> 00:50:55,986
Everybody in our field now knows
that that's not the case.
1068
00:50:56,020 --> 00:51:00,824
The original "Innocence Project"
was formed in New York in 1992.
1069
00:51:00,857 --> 00:51:06,030
Its website lists the telltale
signs of a false confession.
1070
00:51:06,063 --> 00:51:08,732
If you take those factors
and apply them to this case
1071
00:51:08,765 --> 00:51:10,600
they're almost all present.
1072
00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:14,338
February '99
1073
00:51:14,371 --> 00:51:17,474
I had been sitting up about
3 days and nights smoking
1074
00:51:17,507 --> 00:51:21,045
rock cocaine and, um, the doorbell rang.
1075
00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:22,312
It kept ringing and ringing
1076
00:51:22,346 --> 00:51:24,048
you know, like somebody was in distress.
1077
00:51:25,115 --> 00:51:26,483
Alstory Simon was approached
1078
00:51:26,516 --> 00:51:29,753
at 6:30 in the morning after
he had spent the night
1079
00:51:29,786 --> 00:51:33,390
doing cocaine,
so he was clearly intoxicated.
1080
00:51:33,423 --> 00:51:35,492
When I opened the door
1081
00:51:35,525 --> 00:51:37,527
here's Paul Ciolino
1082
00:51:37,561 --> 00:51:39,329
and Arnold Reed.
1083
00:51:39,363 --> 00:51:41,331
They was armed with weapons
1084
00:51:41,365 --> 00:51:45,835
and had a video camera
and a tripod and badges.
1085
00:51:45,869 --> 00:51:49,139
They claimed to be police
investigators from Chicago
1086
00:51:49,173 --> 00:51:51,875
investigating a 1982 homicide.
1087
00:51:51,908 --> 00:51:54,644
And bogarted their way
on into the house.
1088
00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:57,181
The investigator in this case, as he was
1089
00:51:57,214 --> 00:51:59,183
in the Four Nights Four case
1090
00:51:59,216 --> 00:52:02,086
was Paul Ciolino, a private investigator
1091
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:05,589
who works hand in glove
with Professor Protess.
1092
00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:08,692
And he just pushed me on, you
know, back up in the house.
1093
00:52:08,725 --> 00:52:11,661
Like police do when they coming
to make an arrest.
1094
00:52:11,695 --> 00:52:15,099
They pushed me and shoved me
into a corner part
1095
00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:17,167
of where the sofa was.
1096
00:52:17,201 --> 00:52:19,003
He stood over me
1097
00:52:19,036 --> 00:52:22,872
and Arnold Reed, he started
going from room to room.
1098
00:52:22,906 --> 00:52:25,109
I'm asking him, "What are you
walking all through my house for?"
1099
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:27,611
"Wh... what are you looking for?"
1100
00:52:27,644 --> 00:52:31,581
So, Ciolino, he tells me, uh
1101
00:52:31,615 --> 00:52:33,517
"We know you did these murders."
1102
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:35,485
"You're going down for these murders."
1103
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,921
"And there's nothing you're
gonna be able to do about it."
1104
00:52:37,954 --> 00:52:40,757
I'm telling them, "Man, I don't know
nothing about no murders, man."
1105
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:42,392
"What are you talking about?"
1106
00:52:42,426 --> 00:52:44,461
I said, "Man, just get out
of my house, man."
1107
00:52:44,494 --> 00:52:46,296
He said, "No, we're not going anywhere."
1108
00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:48,465
"You better look at the evidence."
1109
00:52:48,498 --> 00:52:50,867
"And I'm gonna show you this is
why we think you did it."
1110
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:55,372
So he showed me affidavits
of some people.
1111
00:52:55,405 --> 00:52:57,974
He showed Alstory Simon the
statement that Walter Jackson
1112
00:52:58,008 --> 00:53:00,777
had made claiming that
Alstory Simon had admitted
1113
00:53:00,810 --> 00:53:03,747
the crime to him 17 years earlier.
1114
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:06,850
Alstory Simon said, "That's ridiculous.
Get out of my house."
1115
00:53:06,883 --> 00:53:10,187
Ciolino then pulled out a video camera.
1116
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:12,122
He popped this tape in.
1117
00:53:12,156 --> 00:53:14,858
Here's this Afro-American male person
1118
00:53:14,891 --> 00:53:17,361
up there on this tape claiming that
1119
00:53:17,394 --> 00:53:20,797
he was at Washington Park
and actually saw me shoot
1120
00:53:20,830 --> 00:53:23,667
and kill Marilyn Green
and Jerry Hillard.
1121
00:53:24,701 --> 00:53:27,904
And then, uh...
1122
00:53:27,937 --> 00:53:30,207
Alstory Simon did not know
1123
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,378
that this African-American
making these allegations
1124
00:53:34,411 --> 00:53:38,348
on this videotape was an actor
1125
00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:40,217
hired by Ciolino
1126
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,719
and scripted by Ciolino.
1127
00:53:42,752 --> 00:53:44,621
He tells me, uh,
1128
00:53:44,654 --> 00:53:46,923
"I want you to see something."
1129
00:53:46,956 --> 00:53:49,093
He goes to the TV
1130
00:53:49,126 --> 00:53:52,529
that I had on,
and he turns to a channel.
1131
00:53:52,562 --> 00:53:57,401
And there was this professor,
accusing me of murder.
1132
00:53:59,503 --> 00:54:05,742
It showed my ex-wife Inez
accusing me of murder
1133
00:54:05,775 --> 00:54:08,712
and being with me and
supposed to observed me
1134
00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:10,680
me shooting and killing these people.
1135
00:54:19,489 --> 00:54:20,957
I couldn't believe it.
1136
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:23,293
At a certain point your story came on
1137
00:54:23,327 --> 00:54:25,129
and he watched,
and it confirmed everything
1138
00:54:25,162 --> 00:54:27,897
I had been telling him earlier
in our conversation.
1139
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:31,000
And it just seemed at
that moment, he gave up.
1140
00:54:31,034 --> 00:54:32,636
I knew she had, uh,
1141
00:54:32,669 --> 00:54:36,706
turned bad, but... just completely.
1142
00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:40,477
I became fearful of my life though.
1143
00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:45,249
Then after, he says, uh,
"Look, Alstory, um,
1144
00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:49,553
we got all the evidence we need
to put you on death row."
1145
00:54:50,454 --> 00:54:52,322
"I'm gonna level with you."
1146
00:54:52,356 --> 00:54:55,925
"We're not police officers."
1147
00:54:55,959 --> 00:54:57,761
I said, "What?"
1148
00:54:57,794 --> 00:54:59,663
He said,
"No, we're not police officers."
1149
00:54:59,696 --> 00:55:03,600
We're investigators working
for the same person
1150
00:55:03,633 --> 00:55:07,137
that you just seen on the screen,
Professor Protess."
1151
00:55:07,171 --> 00:55:09,839
So I said, "Well, get the hell
out of my house."
1152
00:55:10,907 --> 00:55:12,476
They refused to leave.
1153
00:55:13,877 --> 00:55:18,515
And he said, "Look, all we
wanna do is stop this execution."
1154
00:55:18,548 --> 00:55:21,651
And then to create
the urgency they told him that
1155
00:55:21,685 --> 00:55:24,621
you only have a half hour
to help yourself.
1156
00:55:24,654 --> 00:55:27,391
If you don't say that you did
this crime in self-defense
1157
00:55:27,424 --> 00:55:29,759
in the next half hour,
the Chicago police
1158
00:55:29,793 --> 00:55:31,928
are gonna walk in here, arrest you
1159
00:55:31,961 --> 00:55:34,030
take you downtown,
and there's nothing anybody
1160
00:55:34,063 --> 00:55:37,000
can do to help you.
This is your only opportunity.
1161
00:55:37,033 --> 00:55:38,768
Then he tells me, uh,
1162
00:55:38,802 --> 00:55:41,738
if you... if I cooperate with him
1163
00:55:41,771 --> 00:55:45,509
he'll make sure that it was
a self-defense murder.
1164
00:55:46,876 --> 00:55:51,848
And when he said that,
he made me feel like he was
1165
00:55:51,881 --> 00:55:54,218
trying to give me a way out.
1166
00:55:54,251 --> 00:55:56,720
And he told me that, um,
1167
00:55:56,753 --> 00:56:00,357
I would be paid financially well off.
1168
00:56:00,390 --> 00:56:05,028
That I'd never have to work
again if I cooperated with them.
1169
00:56:05,061 --> 00:56:09,333
And I asked him, I said,
"Man, are you fucking serious?"
1170
00:56:09,366 --> 00:56:11,801
You know.
Excuse my language. Oh.
1171
00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:16,005
And he said, "Look, you can play
hardball all you want.
1172
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,442
"But I'm telling you
you're going to death row
1173
00:56:18,475 --> 00:56:20,710
and there's nothing
you can do about it."
1174
00:56:20,744 --> 00:56:23,713
But I tell him that
I didn't murder anybody.
1175
00:56:23,747 --> 00:56:25,815
He puts his hand on his gun, you know,
1176
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:27,584
and started easing it up.
1177
00:56:27,617 --> 00:56:29,453
Like this, and tells me that,
1178
00:56:29,486 --> 00:56:31,388
"Hey, we can do this the easy way
1179
00:56:31,421 --> 00:56:33,890
or we can do this the hard way."
1180
00:56:33,923 --> 00:56:38,962
You know, being souped up
on that drugs and alcohol...
1181
00:56:38,995 --> 00:56:40,664
And I was paranoid.
1182
00:56:40,697 --> 00:56:44,434
And I'm thinking, when he said
the easy way or the hard way
1183
00:56:44,468 --> 00:56:47,437
that he's gonna shoot me in
my head and make it look like
1184
00:56:47,471 --> 00:56:51,140
that he come to question
a... a murder suspect
1185
00:56:51,174 --> 00:56:54,844
and I maybe open fire on them,
and he had to kill me, you know,
1186
00:56:54,878 --> 00:56:58,548
and all this kind of stuff
was going through my head.
1187
00:56:58,582 --> 00:57:01,117
So again, I tell him
to get out of my house.
1188
00:57:01,150 --> 00:57:02,919
So I tried to get up
1189
00:57:02,952 --> 00:57:04,888
to get to the phone
1190
00:57:04,921 --> 00:57:07,991
to call Milwaukee authorities.
1191
00:57:08,024 --> 00:57:11,995
Arnold Reed, he blocked me
from using the phone.
1192
00:57:12,028 --> 00:57:14,564
You know, he put his hand on the phone
1193
00:57:14,598 --> 00:57:17,401
and pulled his gun out,
you know, literally.
1194
00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:20,003
So I sat back down.
1195
00:57:20,036 --> 00:57:23,740
Then, Ciolino, he tells me
1196
00:57:23,773 --> 00:57:28,578
if you cooperate with us,
we guarantee you that
1197
00:57:28,612 --> 00:57:31,948
you will come out of this
with millions of dollars.
1198
00:57:31,981 --> 00:57:34,918
That the money will come
from movies and book deals
1199
00:57:34,951 --> 00:57:36,853
and all of this kind of stuff.
1200
00:57:36,886 --> 00:57:40,424
That Professor Protess will pull
the necessary strings
1201
00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:42,692
to get you released
in a couple of years.
1202
00:57:42,726 --> 00:57:44,961
You only have to do a few years.
1203
00:57:44,994 --> 00:57:47,864
All we want is to stop this execution.
1204
00:57:47,897 --> 00:57:50,734
Now, I'm, uh, scared to death
1205
00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:54,170
after what I done saw on this TV screen.
1206
00:57:54,203 --> 00:57:57,574
I wanted the man out of my house so bad
1207
00:57:57,607 --> 00:58:00,744
and I asked him, I said, "Well,
what do you want me to do?"
1208
00:58:00,777 --> 00:58:04,080
So he picked up the papers
that he showed me.
1209
00:58:04,113 --> 00:58:07,116
He started writing stuff
on a piece of paper
1210
00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:09,753
and underlining different
stuff and then told me
1211
00:58:09,786 --> 00:58:12,021
I want you to say this on camera.
1212
00:58:12,055 --> 00:58:15,492
Ciolino basically used Walter
Jackson's affidavit
1213
00:58:15,525 --> 00:58:18,462
as a template for
Alstory Simon's confession.
1214
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:21,331
So we rehearsed it.
1215
00:58:21,365 --> 00:58:24,334
Oh, man, for a long time.
1216
00:58:24,368 --> 00:58:26,936
Alright, that's 'cause
that's how out of it I was.
1217
00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:29,673
And then, uh, when he felt that I had it
1218
00:58:29,706 --> 00:58:32,542
down pack and sound convincing enough
1219
00:58:32,576 --> 00:58:34,143
we put it on camera.
1220
00:59:40,243 --> 00:59:43,079
His demeanor, I thought, was very, uh,
1221
00:59:43,112 --> 00:59:47,183
telling in that he was looking
at his shoes most of the time.
1222
00:59:47,216 --> 00:59:49,919
And, uh, he looked like he was prepped.
1223
00:59:49,953 --> 00:59:52,589
And while I was talking,
I had the paper, you know
1224
00:59:52,622 --> 00:59:55,091
right next to me on the cocktail table.
1225
00:59:55,124 --> 00:59:57,494
So if I forget something, you know
1226
00:59:57,527 --> 00:59:58,695
I could look at it, you know
1227
00:59:58,728 --> 01:00:00,363
and say what he wanted me to say.
1228
01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:19,849
And then he told me that
the only person who would see
1229
01:00:19,883 --> 01:00:22,018
that would be the prosecution.
1230
01:00:22,051 --> 01:00:24,621
This tape of Alstory Simon's confession
1231
01:00:24,654 --> 01:00:27,591
didn't go straight to the
prosecutors, it went to CBS.
1232
01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:29,258
It was aired on television.
1233
01:00:29,292 --> 01:00:32,796
Newscasters were calling
for Anthony Porter's release
1234
01:00:32,829 --> 01:00:37,066
without there being
any scrutiny of the confession.
1235
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:39,135
Thomas Epach, then the head
1236
01:00:39,168 --> 01:00:42,171
of the Cook County State's
Attorney's criminal division
1237
01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:46,175
claims Simon's prosecution
has haunted him for years.
1238
01:00:46,209 --> 01:00:49,278
In 2013, he swore an affidavit
1239
01:00:49,312 --> 01:00:51,815
sharing some of the inside story.
1240
01:00:51,848 --> 01:00:53,416
"Less than 2 days after the video
1241
01:00:53,449 --> 01:00:56,720
"of the alleged confession
was broadcast by the media
1242
01:00:56,753 --> 01:00:58,287
"State's Attorney, Richard Devine
1243
01:00:58,321 --> 01:01:01,525
"made the decision to release
Mr. Porter from custody.
1244
01:01:01,558 --> 01:01:03,326
"At the time this decision was made
1245
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:05,028
"no one from
the state's attorney's office
1246
01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:08,464
"had received a copy
of the original video
1247
01:01:08,498 --> 01:01:12,235
which purported to contain the
confession of Alstory Simon."
1248
01:01:12,268 --> 01:01:14,938
The state released
Porter without even having
1249
01:01:14,971 --> 01:01:17,340
the confession tape in their possession.
1250
01:01:17,373 --> 01:01:20,443
They basically just swung the
doors open for Anthony Porter.
1251
01:01:20,476 --> 01:01:22,546
With no scrutiny at all.
1252
01:01:22,579 --> 01:01:24,914
"In my years of
experience as a prosecutor
1253
01:01:24,948 --> 01:01:28,652
"it is my opinion
that it was highly unusual
1254
01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:32,088
"if not unprecedented,
to make a decision to release
1255
01:01:32,121 --> 01:01:34,357
"an individual convicted of murder
1256
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:37,360
"based upon the broadcast of a video
1257
01:01:37,393 --> 01:01:39,896
"the reliability and authenticity
1258
01:01:39,929 --> 01:01:42,766
"of which had not been
thoroughly investigated
1259
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,333
and established."
1260
01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:47,270
And when Ciolino was asked by the, uh,
1261
01:01:47,303 --> 01:01:50,506
Chicago media in 2006
1262
01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:53,543
to address Alstory Simon's allegations
1263
01:01:53,577 --> 01:01:55,712
this is what Ciolino's response was.
1264
01:01:55,745 --> 01:01:57,146
I don't have any rules.
1265
01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:59,716
The Supreme Court says I can
lie, cheat, do anything I can
1266
01:01:59,749 --> 01:02:02,351
to get them to say whatever
I got to get them to say.
1267
01:02:02,385 --> 01:02:04,453
The Chicago Police Department
is masters at it.
1268
01:02:04,487 --> 01:02:06,189
So is every other police department.
1269
01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:09,325
And at one point,
in a Chicago magazine article
1270
01:02:09,358 --> 01:02:11,194
he acknowledges that he
1271
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:16,499
quote, bull-rushed
this client into confessing.
1272
01:02:16,532 --> 01:02:21,404
"We just bull-rushed him and
mentally he couldn't recover."
1273
01:02:21,437 --> 01:02:23,873
Ciolino acknowledges
that he used an actor.
1274
01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:25,842
He acknowledges
that he scripted the actor.
1275
01:02:25,875 --> 01:02:30,013
But he denies flatly
that he ever promised favors
1276
01:02:30,046 --> 01:02:31,514
or that he ever threatened him.
1277
01:02:31,547 --> 01:02:34,550
The turning point was when
Alstory Simon was confronted
1278
01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:36,452
with massive evidence of his guilt.
1279
01:02:36,485 --> 01:02:39,322
Uh, he was shown the
affidavits and the videotapes
1280
01:02:39,355 --> 01:02:41,257
uh, that proved that he was guilty.
1281
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:43,392
I asked David Protess about this
1282
01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:47,130
fake videotape when I took his
deposition in another case.
1283
01:02:47,163 --> 01:02:50,734
It is a criticism of Paul Ciolino's
1284
01:02:50,767 --> 01:02:52,936
uh, method of using, I believe
1285
01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:56,806
a fake videotape in
an interview that he conducted.
1286
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,908
I would never do that.
1287
01:02:58,942 --> 01:03:00,509
- You didn't know he was gonna do that?
- Nope.
1288
01:03:00,543 --> 01:03:04,013
In David Protess' grand jury
testimony, he testified
1289
01:03:04,047 --> 01:03:06,683
"I learned a day or two
before Mr. Ciolino interviewed
1290
01:03:06,716 --> 01:03:08,818
"Alstory Simon that he was thinking
1291
01:03:08,852 --> 01:03:10,954
about using this technique."
1292
01:03:10,987 --> 01:03:13,322
- You didn't know he was gonna do that?
- Nope.
1293
01:03:13,356 --> 01:03:17,627
Northwestern David Protess
would be the first people
1294
01:03:17,661 --> 01:03:22,031
screaming about the tactics
of the Chicago Police Department
1295
01:03:22,065 --> 01:03:24,500
in coercing confessions out of people.
1296
01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:28,537
But why in the world,
when that behavior is wrong
1297
01:03:28,571 --> 01:03:32,408
would Ciolino say
he can do whatever he wants
1298
01:03:32,441 --> 01:03:34,143
to get a confession out of somebody
1299
01:03:34,177 --> 01:03:37,546
and to get them to say
what he wants them to say.
1300
01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:41,217
And he has no rules
like police officers do.
1301
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:43,787
When I heard what Alstory
Simon said there was no doubt
1302
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:46,489
in my mind that Alstory
was telling the truth
1303
01:03:46,522 --> 01:03:48,792
because I had experienced
1304
01:03:48,825 --> 01:03:52,495
the same thing
first-hand with Paul Ciolino.
1305
01:03:52,528 --> 01:03:54,330
Michael Madonia
was involved in litigation
1306
01:03:54,363 --> 01:03:56,632
with one of Paul Ciolino's clients.
1307
01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:57,934
Paul Ciolino paid a visit
1308
01:03:57,967 --> 01:04:00,169
to Mr. Madonia at his home.
1309
01:04:00,203 --> 01:04:02,571
He started pounding
on the door of my house
1310
01:04:02,605 --> 01:04:04,941
and then after that
he was gonna push his way in.
1311
01:04:04,974 --> 01:04:08,444
I had to put my arm up to
stop him from entering my home.
1312
01:04:08,477 --> 01:04:11,314
He said that if I continued
to collect evidence
1313
01:04:11,347 --> 01:04:13,316
that there would be a good likelihood
1314
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:16,352
that I would end up
with a bullet in my head.
1315
01:04:16,385 --> 01:04:20,724
Sometimes you can
be placed in a situation
1316
01:04:20,757 --> 01:04:24,794
and do something that
you really don't wanna do.
1317
01:04:24,828 --> 01:04:29,232
But compelled to do it for the
sake of saving your own life.
1318
01:04:30,566 --> 01:04:32,435
One expert outlines the factors
1319
01:04:32,468 --> 01:04:34,971
that lead to false confessions.
1320
01:04:35,004 --> 01:04:37,573
"What happened prior to the confession?"
1321
01:04:37,606 --> 01:04:39,508
"Are there Miranda issues?"
1322
01:04:39,542 --> 01:04:42,278
"Was the client clean and sober?"
1323
01:04:42,311 --> 01:04:44,213
"Was anybody other than sworn
1324
01:04:44,247 --> 01:04:47,483
law enforcement personnel involved?"
1325
01:04:47,516 --> 01:04:49,485
"Are there any issues of inappropriate
1326
01:04:49,518 --> 01:04:51,220
physical misconduct?"
1327
01:04:51,254 --> 01:04:55,258
That expert is
none other than Paul Ciolino.
1328
01:04:55,291 --> 01:04:58,027
I strongly believed and felt
1329
01:04:58,061 --> 01:04:59,695
that I wouldn't have had a chance
1330
01:04:59,729 --> 01:05:03,066
to sit on death row, no 5 years.
1331
01:05:03,099 --> 01:05:05,101
Not even no 5 months.
1332
01:05:05,134 --> 01:05:07,837
I believe they would've
killed me immediately.
1333
01:05:07,871 --> 01:05:09,873
And then the key is he told them
1334
01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:12,008
"And I'll get you a lawyer.
We'll take care of that."
1335
01:05:12,041 --> 01:05:15,578
Because the only way this was
gonna work is if they made sure
1336
01:05:15,611 --> 01:05:17,446
that Simon had a lawyer who wasn't
1337
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,982
really gonna represent him.
1338
01:05:23,853 --> 01:05:27,156
He also told me that
they was gonna furnish me
1339
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:31,560
with the best defense attorney
in the city of Chicago.
1340
01:05:31,594 --> 01:05:35,765
He went to my phone, he made a call.
1341
01:05:35,799 --> 01:05:39,102
He told me that Attorney Jack Rimland
1342
01:05:39,135 --> 01:05:40,970
would be representing me.
1343
01:05:41,004 --> 01:05:43,940
Then, they packed up and left.
1344
01:05:43,973 --> 01:05:47,576
Attorney Rimland came to
my house, introduced himself.
1345
01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:50,914
We sat down.
Gave me one of his cards.
1346
01:05:50,947 --> 01:05:54,984
He didn't appear to be concerned
about what had happened.
1347
01:05:55,018 --> 01:05:58,287
And I had told Rimland that
1348
01:05:58,321 --> 01:06:00,756
"Man, I didn't do these murders, man."
1349
01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:05,161
And then he told me that, well,
it didn't make no difference.
1350
01:06:05,194 --> 01:06:08,364
Because the evidence
was so strong against me
1351
01:06:08,397 --> 01:06:13,102
that if I rolled the dice
that I'm going to death row.
1352
01:06:13,136 --> 01:06:15,738
That was the extent of, uh, his visit.
1353
01:06:15,771 --> 01:06:19,208
Ciolino got the confession
and then handed him over
1354
01:06:19,242 --> 01:06:22,578
to his office mate
and his own personal attorney
1355
01:06:22,611 --> 01:06:25,681
to represent him and tell him
that he had to plead guilty.
1356
01:06:25,714 --> 01:06:30,753
That lawyer's job was
to scrutinize the confession
1357
01:06:30,786 --> 01:06:33,656
that Ciolino had taken
from Alstory Simon.
1358
01:06:33,689 --> 01:06:35,158
Now, how is a lawyer
1359
01:06:35,191 --> 01:06:36,926
who is close friends with
1360
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,862
the person who took the confession
1361
01:06:38,895 --> 01:06:41,430
gonna scrutinize that confession?
1362
01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:45,168
The first thing he did
was to announce publicly
1363
01:06:45,201 --> 01:06:48,537
that he understood that if
Alstory Simon was charged
1364
01:06:48,571 --> 01:06:50,739
that he would be facing
the death penalty.
1365
01:06:50,773 --> 01:06:54,343
Which is almost exactly what
Paul Ciolino told Alstory Simon
1366
01:06:54,377 --> 01:06:56,846
to get him to confess
in the first place.
1367
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,447
The only promise I made to him was
1368
01:06:58,481 --> 01:07:01,317
I would try and make sure he
did not get the death penalty.
1369
01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:03,452
Shortly after Simon confessed
1370
01:07:03,486 --> 01:07:06,055
he called his friend,
Reverend Robert Braun.
1371
01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:08,591
Braun and Simon had worked together
1372
01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:10,526
on many community projects.
1373
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,662
I said, "Al, you gotta
tell me what went on," you know.
1374
01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:15,164
"What's going on?'
1375
01:07:15,198 --> 01:07:16,732
"What's this about a confession?"
1376
01:07:16,765 --> 01:07:18,601
And... and he says,
"My mind ain't right."
1377
01:07:18,634 --> 01:07:20,103
He's like, "I couldn't think."
1378
01:07:20,136 --> 01:07:22,005
And he said, "I said a lot of stuff
1379
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:24,207
"and they're gonna get me
the electric chair, Bob."
1380
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,911
I said, "No they won't."
Al says, "Yes, they will."
1381
01:07:27,944 --> 01:07:31,080
Simon told Braun that he
was innocent of the crime
1382
01:07:31,114 --> 01:07:34,017
but that Jack Rimland
advised him to plead guilty
1383
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:35,851
as part of the deal.
1384
01:07:35,885 --> 01:07:40,089
He said, "Bob, I'm taking
care of this. Back off."
1385
01:07:40,123 --> 01:07:43,859
I said, "Al said that he's...
He's innocent of all this
1386
01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:46,229
"why are you telling him
to plead guilty?"
1387
01:07:46,262 --> 01:07:48,898
Rimland also told Braun that Simon
1388
01:07:48,932 --> 01:07:52,101
would only serve 2 years
in jail as part of the deal.
1389
01:07:52,135 --> 01:07:53,536
I says, I don't believe that.
1390
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:56,039
Uh, I'm worried about
him pleading guilty
1391
01:07:56,072 --> 01:07:58,507
if it involves something
to do with murder.
1392
01:07:58,541 --> 01:08:01,344
And Bob told me
to get rid of this attorney.
1393
01:08:01,377 --> 01:08:03,879
That Rimland wasn't
doing nothing, you know,
1394
01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:06,082
far as exercising my rights.
1395
01:08:06,115 --> 01:08:07,516
And to get rid of him
1396
01:08:07,550 --> 01:08:09,752
and I should've listened
to him, you know.
1397
01:08:09,785 --> 01:08:12,355
He ordered me to stay away from Al.
1398
01:08:12,388 --> 01:08:14,057
He didn't want me near Al.
1399
01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:16,325
Rimland knew, at one point
1400
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,328
that I was thinking
about going to trial.
1401
01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:21,730
And I told him, "Man, I've been
doing some thinking
1402
01:08:21,764 --> 01:08:25,301
since I was at
the police station, locked in."
1403
01:08:25,334 --> 01:08:26,502
And I'm going out here
1404
01:08:26,535 --> 01:08:28,437
I'm telling the judge every damn thing.
1405
01:08:28,471 --> 01:08:30,073
What they did to me and all this
1406
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:32,008
and how it came about being up here.
1407
01:08:32,041 --> 01:08:35,144
Rimland clearly panics.
1408
01:08:35,178 --> 01:08:39,215
To further coerce
Simon into pleading guilty
1409
01:08:39,248 --> 01:08:42,185
Rimland told him that he was
1410
01:08:42,218 --> 01:08:46,055
a very strong suspect in another
murder up in Milwaukee.
1411
01:08:46,089 --> 01:08:47,890
And that he could get the death penalty
1412
01:08:47,923 --> 01:08:51,127
either in Milwaukee or in Chicago.
1413
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,196
And I asked him, "Man, are you serious?
1414
01:08:53,229 --> 01:08:55,131
What... what are you talking about?"
1415
01:08:55,164 --> 01:08:57,700
And so soon as he left,
bam, there it was
1416
01:08:57,733 --> 01:09:00,736
the... the story popped up
on the TV screen.
1417
01:09:00,769 --> 01:09:04,307
Me being the mastermind
about this Milwaukee murder.
1418
01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:08,677
I was already kind of afraid
to go to trial in many respects
1419
01:09:08,711 --> 01:09:11,147
because I felt that if I did go to trial
1420
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:14,017
I would get found guilty
because of all the publicity
1421
01:09:14,050 --> 01:09:15,818
that had been on the case.
1422
01:09:15,851 --> 01:09:18,587
There was no charges pending against Al.
1423
01:09:18,621 --> 01:09:20,756
The state's attorney in Milwaukee said
1424
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:23,459
they don't have
anything on Alstory Simon.
1425
01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:26,429
He's not involved
in the case up in Milwaukee.
1426
01:09:26,462 --> 01:09:27,763
It was all a lie.
1427
01:09:27,796 --> 01:09:30,966
A ruse to get him
to confess to the Porter murder.
1428
01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:33,869
And then he tells me that there's
1429
01:09:33,902 --> 01:09:35,771
a plea deal on the table.
1430
01:09:35,804 --> 01:09:39,042
That if I'd plead guilty to 40 years
1431
01:09:39,075 --> 01:09:43,512
they would give me immunity
from prosecution from Milwaukee
1432
01:09:43,546 --> 01:09:47,016
and there will be no death
penalty and no life in prison.
1433
01:09:48,517 --> 01:09:51,320
At the sentencing hearing,
Simon stuck to the plan
1434
01:09:51,354 --> 01:09:55,091
and apologized to Offie Green,
the mother of Marilyn Green.
1435
01:10:04,033 --> 01:10:07,570
I made the apology
on the advice of counsel.
1436
01:10:07,603 --> 01:10:11,006
He said that it would
be more helpful to apologize
1437
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,210
and that... that should make things
1438
01:10:14,243 --> 01:10:16,412
sound more convincing.
1439
01:10:16,445 --> 01:10:17,813
You know, if you believe it or not
1440
01:10:17,846 --> 01:10:20,616
that that was true,
when I'm reading through
1441
01:10:20,649 --> 01:10:22,851
all his documents, I find this letter
1442
01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:26,622
where Rimland actually
states that and the letter
1443
01:10:26,655 --> 01:10:29,358
advised Al that this reporter was gonna
1444
01:10:29,392 --> 01:10:31,394
come down and interview him
about the case.
1445
01:10:31,427 --> 01:10:36,565
It urges Al to remember to apologize
1446
01:10:36,599 --> 01:10:39,268
and show remorse towards the family
1447
01:10:39,302 --> 01:10:41,837
when she comes down there
and talks to you.
1448
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:43,239
Which he did.
1449
01:10:43,272 --> 01:10:46,275
And doing those 3 to 4 weeks, I would
1450
01:10:46,309 --> 01:10:49,678
rehearse on what I was going to say.
1451
01:10:49,712 --> 01:10:54,850
Alstory turns around, telling
the victim's mother
1452
01:10:54,883 --> 01:10:59,255
that Marilyn,
unfortunately, got in the way
1453
01:10:59,288 --> 01:11:03,592
as he was wielding the gun
and accidentally shot her.
1454
01:11:03,626 --> 01:11:06,262
But that doesn't go with the facts.
1455
01:11:06,295 --> 01:11:08,597
Her daughter was shot 3 times.
1456
01:11:08,631 --> 01:11:09,998
So it wasn't an accident.
1457
01:11:10,032 --> 01:11:12,801
And he was standing within 2 feet of her
1458
01:11:12,835 --> 01:11:14,837
when he... when he fired those rounds.
1459
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:17,273
So whoever killed her was
1460
01:11:17,306 --> 01:11:21,644
intentionally trying
to kill her and shot 3 times.
1461
01:11:21,677 --> 01:11:24,880
It was the most hardest
and mental painful thing
1462
01:11:24,913 --> 01:11:26,982
that I had to experience.
1463
01:11:27,015 --> 01:11:30,686
Knowing the fact that
I'm standing up here innocent
1464
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:34,790
and I'm apologizing
to this girl's mother
1465
01:11:34,823 --> 01:11:37,860
when I had nothing to
do with her daughter's death.
1466
01:11:40,463 --> 01:11:42,231
At the conclusion of Simon's hearing
1467
01:11:42,265 --> 01:11:43,966
Assistant State's Attorney
1468
01:11:43,999 --> 01:11:47,603
Thomas Gainer presented the
facts of the case to the judge.
1469
01:11:47,636 --> 01:11:50,873
But misrepresented
the grand jury testimony
1470
01:11:50,906 --> 01:11:53,742
of almost every key witness.
1471
01:11:53,776 --> 01:11:57,413
Gainer tells the judge that
he would call 3 other witnesses.
1472
01:11:57,446 --> 01:11:59,915
Senior, Woodfork, and Beckwith.
1473
01:11:59,948 --> 01:12:02,050
What he doesn't
tell the judge that those
1474
01:12:02,084 --> 01:12:05,120
3 witnesses would
all implicate Anthony Porter.
1475
01:12:05,154 --> 01:12:08,257
And Rimland stood there
and never said a word.
1476
01:12:08,291 --> 01:12:10,593
And he makes no
mention of Kenneth Edwards
1477
01:12:10,626 --> 01:12:12,561
who's the most important witness of all.
1478
01:12:12,595 --> 01:12:16,532
Who actually said that he saw
Porter shoot the victims.
1479
01:12:16,565 --> 01:12:19,735
Witness after witness
after witness was brought in
1480
01:12:19,768 --> 01:12:23,239
to establish that Anthony Porter
committed this murder.
1481
01:12:23,272 --> 01:12:26,742
And then somewhere along
the line in the grand jury
1482
01:12:26,775 --> 01:12:29,878
it was obvious that
a decision had been made
1483
01:12:29,912 --> 01:12:33,349
that they were going
to embrace Porter's innocence
1484
01:12:33,382 --> 01:12:36,319
and go after Alstory Simon and in fact
1485
01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:39,388
embrace this alleged
confession to Ciolino.
1486
01:12:40,589 --> 01:12:42,825
Thomas Epach concluded that based on
1487
01:12:42,858 --> 01:12:46,262
the evidence against Porter, the
involvement of Paul Ciolino
1488
01:12:46,295 --> 01:12:48,431
in obtaining the purported confession
1489
01:12:48,464 --> 01:12:51,934
and the representation of
Simon by an attorney with ties
1490
01:12:51,967 --> 01:12:55,371
to Ciolino and Protess,
I believed that questions
1491
01:12:55,404 --> 01:12:58,241
remained about the guilt
of Simon and the innocence
1492
01:12:58,274 --> 01:13:01,877
of Porter that needed
to be fully investigated.
1493
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:05,013
"I expressed these
concerns to Mr. Devine.
1494
01:13:05,047 --> 01:13:08,217
"Subsequently, I was told
that the decision to prosecute
1495
01:13:08,251 --> 01:13:12,388
"Alstory Simon had
been made by Mr. Devine."
1496
01:13:12,421 --> 01:13:15,791
Devine tells WBBM that's
not the way he remembers it.
1497
01:13:15,824 --> 01:13:19,127
If Mr. Epach had these, uh, issues
1498
01:13:19,161 --> 01:13:23,131
I don't recall him, uh,
ever raising them with me.
1499
01:13:23,165 --> 01:13:26,068
Maybe he raised them
with, uh, with other people.
1500
01:13:26,101 --> 01:13:28,170
Uh, that's possible, but, uh,
1501
01:13:28,203 --> 01:13:29,705
I don't recall
them being raised with me.
1502
01:13:29,738 --> 01:13:32,275
Devine said he
does believe Simon's claims
1503
01:13:32,308 --> 01:13:35,110
should be looked at and evaluated.
1504
01:13:35,143 --> 01:13:38,213
My view is that
the Cook County prosecutors
1505
01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:40,249
did not want to be on the receiving end
1506
01:13:40,283 --> 01:13:42,318
of any more negative publicity.
1507
01:13:42,351 --> 01:13:44,186
The Cook County state's
attorney's office
1508
01:13:44,219 --> 01:13:46,455
didn't want to
be embarrassed and go back
1509
01:13:46,489 --> 01:13:50,626
on what they had already set in
motion by reacting too quickly
1510
01:13:50,659 --> 01:13:52,528
so they made a political decision
1511
01:13:52,561 --> 01:13:56,299
to move forward with the
prosecution of Alstory Simon.
1512
01:13:56,332 --> 01:14:00,235
Richard Devine convened
grand jury number 363
1513
01:14:00,269 --> 01:14:04,973
in February of 1999 in which
witnesses against Porter
1514
01:14:05,007 --> 01:14:07,910
and the Northwestern team testified.
1515
01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:10,245
The grand jury was not asked to return
1516
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,348
an indictment against Simon.
1517
01:14:12,381 --> 01:14:16,452
A month later, a second
grand jury was convened.
1518
01:14:16,485 --> 01:14:20,723
The second grand jury did not
hear from any of the witnesses
1519
01:14:20,756 --> 01:14:24,427
implicating Porter in the
murders, hearing only evidence
1520
01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:26,362
regarding Simon's confession
1521
01:14:26,395 --> 01:14:30,466
and Inez and Walter Jackson's
statements against Simon.
1522
01:14:30,499 --> 01:14:32,435
Based on that one-sided testimony
1523
01:14:32,468 --> 01:14:36,805
the second grand jury returned
an indictment against Simon.
1524
01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:37,973
I mean, it's an utter outrage.
1525
01:14:38,006 --> 01:14:40,175
It's justice upside down.
1526
01:14:40,208 --> 01:14:42,611
How does Jack Rimland plea him guilty
1527
01:14:42,645 --> 01:14:45,080
to 37 years in prison?
1528
01:14:45,113 --> 01:14:48,584
And you're not gonna investigate
the case and expose the case?
1529
01:14:48,617 --> 01:14:52,688
And remember when Simon was
got the sentence that he got,
1530
01:14:52,721 --> 01:14:55,524
most of us who were not
paying close enough attention
1531
01:14:55,558 --> 01:14:58,694
still thought, well,
that's an awfully good sentence.
1532
01:14:58,727 --> 01:15:01,129
I mean, Jack Rimland,
his attorney or whoever he is
1533
01:15:01,163 --> 01:15:03,499
must have done a great job
because Alstory Simon, you know
1534
01:15:03,532 --> 01:15:05,468
he's gonna be out in about 20 years.
1535
01:15:05,501 --> 01:15:06,835
Uh, committing a double murder for which
1536
01:15:06,869 --> 01:15:08,804
another guy was sentenced to die.
1537
01:15:08,837 --> 01:15:11,139
To suggest that he did his job
1538
01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:13,342
by sparing him from the death penalty
1539
01:15:13,376 --> 01:15:14,910
he didn't need any lawyer
1540
01:15:14,943 --> 01:15:17,079
to not face the death penalty.
1541
01:15:17,112 --> 01:15:19,314
And armed with
the circumstances surrounding
1542
01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:22,618
this confession along
with the grand jury testimony
1543
01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:26,054
of several witnesses
who placed Anthony Porter
1544
01:15:26,088 --> 01:15:29,024
at the scene of the murder
at the time it occurred.
1545
01:15:29,057 --> 01:15:32,094
A reasonably good
criminal defense lawyer would've
1546
01:15:32,127 --> 01:15:34,530
filed a motion to suppress immediately.
1547
01:15:34,563 --> 01:15:38,801
Rimland never told me that
he had a strong relationship
1548
01:15:38,834 --> 01:15:40,736
with Ciolino and Protess.
1549
01:15:40,769 --> 01:15:43,672
He never told me about he
shared office space with them.
1550
01:15:43,706 --> 01:15:46,909
He never told me that
they had a business relationship
1551
01:15:46,942 --> 01:15:48,944
and they was all friends.
1552
01:15:48,977 --> 01:15:52,314
Then, I find out
that while I'm going to trial
1553
01:15:52,347 --> 01:15:55,684
and he was my lawyer
at the time he presented awards
1554
01:15:55,718 --> 01:15:58,421
to the very same people
who got me in this.
1555
01:15:58,454 --> 01:16:02,090
Attorney Rimland gave an award
1556
01:16:02,124 --> 01:16:05,728
to David Protess and Paul Ciolino
1557
01:16:05,761 --> 01:16:09,832
for their efforts
in freeing Anthony Porter
1558
01:16:09,865 --> 01:16:12,768
and implicating Alstory Simon
1559
01:16:12,801 --> 01:16:16,672
while Rimland was still
representing Alstory Simon
1560
01:16:16,705 --> 01:16:19,207
before he had even plead to the charges.
1561
01:16:19,241 --> 01:16:21,844
And he was my lawyer at the time.
1562
01:16:21,877 --> 01:16:24,747
Soon after Simon
was sentenced, his lawyer
1563
01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:26,615
Jack Rimland sent a letter
1564
01:16:26,649 --> 01:16:28,784
concluding their business together.
1565
01:16:28,817 --> 01:16:31,787
That's when I begun to understand
1566
01:16:31,820 --> 01:16:35,390
that I had been bamboozled and played.
1567
01:16:35,424 --> 01:16:39,061
When Simon finally received
the grand jury transcripts
1568
01:16:39,094 --> 01:16:40,996
he realized that Rimland lied
1569
01:16:41,029 --> 01:16:43,466
about the strength
of evidence against him.
1570
01:16:43,499 --> 01:16:46,101
The grand jury investigation
had been secret
1571
01:16:46,134 --> 01:16:49,872
from the public
and Simon until this point.
1572
01:16:49,905 --> 01:16:52,107
I was so furious
1573
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:57,546
because this man
had the thorough evidence
1574
01:16:57,580 --> 01:17:00,483
that proved my actual innocence.
1575
01:17:00,516 --> 01:17:04,219
So Alstory Simon filed a
pro se post-conviction petition.
1576
01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:07,923
When I say pro se, I mean
he's filing that on his own.
1577
01:17:07,956 --> 01:17:09,424
He wrote it himself.
1578
01:17:09,458 --> 01:17:11,860
He's not working with
a lawyer who is telling him
1579
01:17:11,894 --> 01:17:14,863
what theories to bring
or anything of that nature.
1580
01:17:14,897 --> 01:17:17,399
This is just on his own
sitting in a jail cell.
1581
01:17:17,432 --> 01:17:21,504
On July 3, 2001, Simon filed his appeal
1582
01:17:21,537 --> 01:17:22,671
with the circuit court.
1583
01:17:22,705 --> 01:17:26,108
On October 5th, Judge Evelyn Clay
1584
01:17:26,141 --> 01:17:29,211
dismissed the petition
without a hearing.
1585
01:17:29,244 --> 01:17:32,347
With the help of attorneys
Jim Sotos and Terry Ekl
1586
01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:34,850
a successive petition was filed.
1587
01:17:34,883 --> 01:17:39,321
But was also rejected by Judge Clay.
1588
01:17:39,354 --> 01:17:41,189
The Chicago media has not embraced
1589
01:17:41,223 --> 01:17:42,925
the story of Alstory Simon
1590
01:17:42,958 --> 01:17:46,595
being innocent and having been
framed by Northwestern to get
1591
01:17:46,629 --> 01:17:49,464
Anthony Porter out of jail
to create a poster boy
1592
01:17:49,498 --> 01:17:51,199
for the anti-death penalty movement.
1593
01:17:51,233 --> 01:17:53,268
And the reason,
I think is fairly simple.
1594
01:17:53,301 --> 01:17:56,872
I think they're vested in the
Anthony Porter is innocent story.
1595
01:17:57,873 --> 01:17:59,107
And I think they have a hard time
1596
01:17:59,141 --> 01:18:01,243
eating that right now and admitting
1597
01:18:01,276 --> 01:18:03,679
that they were played by David Protess.
1598
01:18:12,254 --> 01:18:14,657
Because Porter wasn't
originally pardoned
1599
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:17,092
for the armed robbery of Henry Williams
1600
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:20,996
his wrongful imprisonment only
totaled one and a half years.
1601
01:18:21,029 --> 01:18:23,231
This didn't entitle him to much
1602
01:18:23,265 --> 01:18:26,401
in automatic state compensation.
1603
01:18:26,434 --> 01:18:29,404
Cook County announced
that they were going to continue
1604
01:18:29,437 --> 01:18:33,576
to defend the conviction
of Anthony Porter
1605
01:18:33,609 --> 01:18:35,978
for the robbery of Henry Williams.
1606
01:18:36,011 --> 01:18:38,246
The Chicago media didn't like that.
1607
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,750
"The Chicago Tribune" did an editorial
1608
01:18:41,784 --> 01:18:43,619
criticizing the decision
1609
01:18:43,652 --> 01:18:46,521
and the next day
the state's attorney's office
1610
01:18:46,555 --> 01:18:48,523
dropped those charges too.
1611
01:18:48,557 --> 01:18:51,026
The state's attorney's
office decision to keep
1612
01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:54,663
the armed robbery charges
in place demonstrated
1613
01:18:54,697 --> 01:18:58,500
that they believed that
Williams was telling the truth.
1614
01:18:58,533 --> 01:19:01,536
The problem with that is
if you do believe that,
1615
01:19:01,570 --> 01:19:03,005
well, then why would you disbelieve him
1616
01:19:03,038 --> 01:19:05,207
when he said he saw Porter
run up into the bleachers
1617
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:06,842
where the murders occurred?
1618
01:19:06,875 --> 01:19:09,477
There'd be no reason to
distinguish one from the other.
1619
01:19:09,511 --> 01:19:12,615
And Porter has always
maintained from day one
1620
01:19:12,648 --> 01:19:14,883
that he was never even in the park.
1621
01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:20,222
After Anthony Porter
was released from prison
1622
01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:22,357
he brought a lawsuit
against the city of Chicago
1623
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:24,860
and several Chicago police officers.
1624
01:19:24,893 --> 01:19:28,430
It was one of the most intensive
1625
01:19:28,463 --> 01:19:31,700
ventures that I have ever undertaken.
1626
01:19:31,734 --> 01:19:33,401
I said, the only way
we're going to do this
1627
01:19:33,435 --> 01:19:36,739
is we gotta take
this apart from the beginning.
1628
01:19:36,772 --> 01:19:41,610
I want every witness re-interviewed.
1629
01:19:41,644 --> 01:19:45,714
Because witnesses make great cases.
1630
01:19:45,748 --> 01:19:47,415
At the end of the civil trial
1631
01:19:47,449 --> 01:19:49,184
Anthony Porter's lawyers asked
1632
01:19:49,217 --> 01:19:52,220
the jury to award him $24 million.
1633
01:19:52,254 --> 01:19:54,189
The verdict came in.
1634
01:19:54,222 --> 01:19:57,259
Porter wouldn't receive a dime.
1635
01:19:57,292 --> 01:20:00,796
They awarded him nothing.
1636
01:20:00,829 --> 01:20:02,898
The jury rejected that
and returned a verdict
1637
01:20:02,931 --> 01:20:04,132
for the city of Chicago
1638
01:20:04,166 --> 01:20:06,334
and Chicago police officers
1639
01:20:06,368 --> 01:20:08,336
finding that they had probable cause
1640
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:11,506
to arrest Anthony Porter
for the murders.
1641
01:20:11,539 --> 01:20:16,078
The key reasons that we won
were the police officers.
1642
01:20:17,012 --> 01:20:19,347
I still get emotional.
1643
01:20:19,381 --> 01:20:23,518
This case impacted
so many police officers.
1644
01:20:23,551 --> 01:20:25,821
So many police officers
who were wrongly accused
1645
01:20:25,854 --> 01:20:27,589
of having done the wrong thing
1646
01:20:27,622 --> 01:20:30,258
by somebody who had done
the wrong thing.
1647
01:20:37,766 --> 01:20:39,534
The reporters asked Walter Jones
1648
01:20:39,567 --> 01:20:42,504
how could this innocent man
have been denied compensation?
1649
01:20:42,537 --> 01:20:45,407
And Jones said, "The real killer
has been sitting in that room
1650
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,409
right there all day."
1651
01:20:47,442 --> 01:20:50,445
A bunch of kids from
Northwestern University
1652
01:20:50,478 --> 01:20:54,416
who had taken this elective
course, a course on Journalism
1653
01:20:54,449 --> 01:20:57,152
and the teacher said why don't
you look into a couple of these.
1654
01:20:57,185 --> 01:20:59,421
The kids dug up
the information that was there
1655
01:20:59,454 --> 01:21:01,724
available to the police,
available to the prosecutors
1656
01:21:01,757 --> 01:21:04,292
available to the defense, they found it.
1657
01:21:04,326 --> 01:21:08,831
Ciolino says, "The students
don't investigate shit.
1658
01:21:08,864 --> 01:21:12,534
"What they do, which is
valuable, is drudge work.
1659
01:21:12,567 --> 01:21:14,536
"If anyone thinks they've been getting
1660
01:21:14,569 --> 01:21:18,907
"people out of jail, they've
smoked some good shit.
1661
01:21:18,941 --> 01:21:20,442
"When Hollywood gets hold of it
1662
01:21:20,475 --> 01:21:23,378
the students are going to look
like heroes and geniuses."
1663
01:21:24,913 --> 01:21:28,583
I really do not believe
these students had any element
1664
01:21:28,616 --> 01:21:32,487
of malevolence in their work,
I really don't.
1665
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,490
David Protess
engineered the investigation
1666
01:21:35,523 --> 01:21:38,560
and Paul Ciolino
executed the investigation.
1667
01:21:38,593 --> 01:21:41,163
There is now no evidence
against Anthony Porter."
1668
01:21:41,196 --> 01:21:43,866
He's a master at manipulating things.
1669
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:48,303
And he was great
at manipulating the press.
1670
01:21:48,336 --> 01:21:51,139
And what I find amazing
is that the journalists
1671
01:21:51,173 --> 01:21:53,909
would write these articles
about the police misconduct
1672
01:21:53,942 --> 01:21:55,944
and how the police
railroaded Anthony Porter
1673
01:21:55,978 --> 01:21:57,545
without even looking
at any of the evidence
1674
01:21:57,579 --> 01:22:01,249
and, you know, writing like
that destroys the reputations
1675
01:22:01,283 --> 01:22:04,586
and careers of officers who dedicated
their whole life to law enforcement.
1676
01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:08,423
I was ridiculed.
1677
01:22:08,456 --> 01:22:10,592
It kind of makes you wonder if you took
1678
01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:12,327
the right career once in a while
1679
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,329
when someone's trying to rail road you
1680
01:22:14,362 --> 01:22:17,332
into a different
kind of person than you are.
1681
01:22:17,365 --> 01:22:18,934
How did it get twisted around?
1682
01:22:18,967 --> 01:22:21,303
How did, you know, it do a 180?
1683
01:22:21,336 --> 01:22:24,406
It makes me angry that a killer could be
1684
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,942
walking out free
when they've killed someone.
1685
01:22:26,975 --> 01:22:30,345
Took someone life
and changed my life forever.
1686
01:22:33,048 --> 01:22:36,218
In 2011, Professor Protess was suspended
1687
01:22:36,251 --> 01:22:37,752
from teaching at Northwestern.
1688
01:22:37,786 --> 01:22:40,088
And leading the Innocence Project.
1689
01:22:40,122 --> 01:22:41,890
The state's attorney's office
1690
01:22:41,924 --> 01:22:45,160
asked for documents related to
the case of Anthony McKinney
1691
01:22:45,193 --> 01:22:47,930
who Protess was trying to free.
1692
01:22:47,963 --> 01:22:50,632
The University's attorneys
resigned after alleging
1693
01:22:50,665 --> 01:22:52,901
Protess made false statements
1694
01:22:52,935 --> 01:22:55,637
and altered an archived email message.
1695
01:22:55,670 --> 01:22:59,407
In an official statement
regarding Protess' suspension
1696
01:22:59,441 --> 01:23:03,111
the university wrote,
"In sum, Protess knowingly
1697
01:23:03,145 --> 01:23:07,082
"misrepresented the facts and
his actions to the University
1698
01:23:07,115 --> 01:23:09,784
"its attorneys and the dean of Medill
1699
01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:12,020
"on many documented occasions.
1700
01:23:12,054 --> 01:23:15,757
"He caused the University to
take on what turned out to be
1701
01:23:15,790 --> 01:23:19,461
"an unsupportable case
and unwittingly misrepresented
1702
01:23:19,494 --> 01:23:22,697
"the situation both to the
Court and to the State."
1703
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:29,104
Protess has since formed
the Chicago Innocence Project
1704
01:23:29,137 --> 01:23:30,906
which isn't officially affiliated
1705
01:23:30,939 --> 01:23:33,275
with Northwestern University.
1706
01:23:33,308 --> 01:23:35,643
I think people like Protess believe
1707
01:23:35,677 --> 01:23:37,913
the ends justify the means.
1708
01:23:37,946 --> 01:23:40,282
That the death penalty is wrong
1709
01:23:40,315 --> 01:23:43,518
and whatever you have to do to
convince people it's wrong
1710
01:23:43,551 --> 01:23:46,088
is perfectly acceptable behavior.
1711
01:23:46,121 --> 01:23:49,858
I'm sitting here all these years
1712
01:23:49,892 --> 01:23:52,494
for something that I didn't do.
1713
01:23:52,527 --> 01:23:56,999
I missed out on, uh, bonding
with my... my, uh, my nephews
1714
01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:01,336
and I have a grandson
that, uh, I've never seen.
1715
01:24:01,369 --> 01:24:06,641
And believe me,
it is... it is mentally painful
1716
01:24:07,742 --> 01:24:10,412
to walk around everyday
1717
01:24:10,445 --> 01:24:12,847
locked up for something that you know
1718
01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:14,917
that you didn't do.
1719
01:24:15,918 --> 01:24:17,319
You've just gotta say
1720
01:24:17,352 --> 01:24:19,521
time out, do over, right?
1721
01:24:19,554 --> 01:24:22,891
Looking back, this does
not meet our standards, um
1722
01:24:22,925 --> 01:24:25,193
and the truth is that every defendant
1723
01:24:25,227 --> 01:24:27,829
from the most innocent
to the most guilty
1724
01:24:27,862 --> 01:24:30,698
deserves to have
an independent attorney.
1725
01:24:30,732 --> 01:24:33,168
Who has no ties
to anything else in the case.
1726
01:24:33,201 --> 01:24:37,973
Whose sole job is to do the best
they can for that client.
1727
01:24:38,006 --> 01:24:40,175
Had I known all these particular things
1728
01:24:40,208 --> 01:24:42,344
I wouldn't never let him represented me.
1729
01:24:42,377 --> 01:24:45,113
You gotta let him change his plea.
1730
01:24:45,147 --> 01:24:47,249
Get a new sentencing
hearing. Get a new trial.
1731
01:24:47,282 --> 01:24:48,816
That's what justice is all about.
1732
01:24:48,850 --> 01:24:50,318
And if it means
that people are embarrassed
1733
01:24:50,352 --> 01:24:52,320
well, it won't be the first time, right?
1734
01:24:52,354 --> 01:24:55,590
On October 22, 2013
1735
01:24:55,623 --> 01:25:00,128
the Cook County State's Attorney's
Office stunned Chicago by announcing
1736
01:25:00,162 --> 01:25:02,864
the Porter-Simon case would be reopened.
1737
01:25:04,766 --> 01:25:07,302
What would make
this right is my freedom.
1738
01:25:21,183 --> 01:25:22,617
Good afternoon.
1739
01:25:22,650 --> 01:25:25,687
This morning, my office
vacated charges of murder
1740
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,291
and voluntary manslaughter
against Alstory Simon
1741
01:25:29,324 --> 01:25:30,625
in connection with the murders
1742
01:25:30,658 --> 01:25:33,495
of Jerry Hillard and Marilyn Green.
1743
01:25:33,528 --> 01:25:36,798
Justice compels that
I take action today.
1744
01:25:36,831 --> 01:25:40,202
This case has undoubtedly
been the most complicated
1745
01:25:40,235 --> 01:25:42,670
and the most challenging
re-investigation
1746
01:25:42,704 --> 01:25:44,706
that we have undertaken.
1747
01:25:44,739 --> 01:25:46,941
One of the most significant factors
1748
01:25:46,975 --> 01:25:49,311
that led me to today's decision
1749
01:25:49,344 --> 01:25:51,513
was the fact that the original
1750
01:25:51,546 --> 01:25:53,748
re-investigation into this case
1751
01:25:53,781 --> 01:25:56,451
was conducted by a former
journalism professor
1752
01:25:56,484 --> 01:26:00,555
a private investigator
employed by that professor
1753
01:26:00,588 --> 01:26:02,957
and a team of young journalism students.
1754
01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:04,159
Full name and number.
1755
01:26:04,192 --> 01:26:05,393
Alstory Simon.
1756
01:26:05,427 --> 01:26:07,829
8-7-0-8-1-7.
1757
01:26:07,862 --> 01:26:08,863
You're free to go.
1758
01:26:08,896 --> 01:26:10,665
- Good luck to you.
- Take care.
1759
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,138
This investigation
by David Protess and his team
1760
01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:19,474
involved a series of alarming tactics
1761
01:26:19,507 --> 01:26:21,409
that were not only coercive
1762
01:26:21,443 --> 01:26:25,513
and absolutely unacceptable
by law enforcement standards.
1763
01:26:25,547 --> 01:26:28,016
They were potentially
in violation of Mr. Simon's
1764
01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:30,185
constitutionally protected rights.
1765
01:26:30,218 --> 01:26:33,188
Can you charge, uh, Mr. Ciolino
1766
01:26:33,221 --> 01:26:34,756
or Mr. Protess of anything?
1767
01:26:34,789 --> 01:26:37,259
No, I don't believe so because
any statute of limitation
1768
01:26:37,292 --> 01:26:39,161
on either obstruction of justice
1769
01:26:39,194 --> 01:26:41,296
or intimidation of
a witness is long gone.
1770
01:26:41,329 --> 01:26:45,433
I miss my family... and my mom.
1771
01:26:46,268 --> 01:26:49,037
She died while I was here.
1772
01:26:49,071 --> 01:26:51,506
In my view, the original confession
1773
01:26:51,539 --> 01:26:53,341
made by Alstory Simon
1774
01:26:53,375 --> 01:26:55,077
and the coercive tactics
1775
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:57,912
that were employed
by Investigator Ciolino
1776
01:26:57,945 --> 01:27:00,882
have tainted this case from the outside
1777
01:27:00,915 --> 01:27:05,620
and brought into doubt the credibility
of many important factors.
1778
01:27:05,653 --> 01:27:08,856
At the end of the day, and in
the best interest of justice
1779
01:27:08,890 --> 01:27:11,326
we could reach no other conclusion
1780
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:13,995
but that the investigation of this case
1781
01:27:14,028 --> 01:27:16,398
has been so deeply corroded
1782
01:27:16,431 --> 01:27:18,733
and corrupted that we can no longer
1783
01:27:18,766 --> 01:27:21,236
maintain the legitimacy
of his conviction.
1784
01:27:21,969 --> 01:27:23,205
What's next?
1785
01:27:23,238 --> 01:27:26,408
Um, whatever
the Lord has in store for me.
1786
01:27:26,441 --> 01:27:28,910
The bottom line
is that the investigation
1787
01:27:28,943 --> 01:27:32,046
conducted by Protess and
Private Investigator Ciolino
1788
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,817
as well as the subsequent legal
representation of Mr. Simon
1789
01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:38,253
were so flawed that it is clear that
1790
01:27:38,286 --> 01:27:40,688
the constitutional rights of Mr. Simon
1791
01:27:40,722 --> 01:27:44,859
were not scrupulously
protected as our law requires.
1792
01:27:44,892 --> 01:27:47,829
This conviction,
therefore, cannot stand.
1793
01:27:56,037 --> 01:27:57,572
God is good, ain't he?
1794
01:28:28,002 --> 01:28:30,205
No, I'm not angry at the system.
1795
01:28:30,238 --> 01:28:32,807
I'm angry at the people
who did what they did to me.
1796
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,077
And the situation
that they forced me into.
1797
01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:39,147
Did Porter get a certificate
of actual innocence?
1798
01:28:39,181 --> 01:28:40,915
Is it double jeopardy
that would preclude
1799
01:28:40,948 --> 01:28:42,450
if you were inclined
to go after him again?
1800
01:28:42,484 --> 01:28:45,520
He didn't... no, double
jeopardy is attached.
1801
01:28:45,553 --> 01:28:47,589
So Anthony Porter's not
looking at any other charges.
1802
01:28:47,622 --> 01:28:49,591
I couldn't even
if I wanted to indict him.
1803
01:28:49,624 --> 01:28:51,759
He actually received
a pardon from the governor.
1804
01:28:51,793 --> 01:28:54,095
Simon is at the Jacksonville
Correctional Center
1805
01:28:54,128 --> 01:28:55,497
down in Southern Illinois.
1806
01:28:55,530 --> 01:28:57,632
He's being picked up as we speak.
1807
01:28:57,665 --> 01:29:01,236
Will be brought back to the
Chicago land area later today.
1808
01:29:01,269 --> 01:29:04,906
Man, this is not...
I'm lost for words.
1809
01:29:04,939 --> 01:29:07,942
You know, but I... I feel great, man.
1810
01:29:07,975 --> 01:29:11,613
I've been working at it along
with Jim Sotos for 10 years.
1811
01:29:11,646 --> 01:29:14,716
And uh, it's just
an extraordinary feeling.
1812
01:29:14,749 --> 01:29:18,820
I just thank God, you know,
that, uh, he shined down on me.
1813
01:29:20,255 --> 01:29:21,223
Whoo!
1814
01:29:23,558 --> 01:29:25,860
Free at last! Free at last!
1815
01:29:30,732 --> 01:29:31,833
Wow!
1816
01:29:33,668 --> 01:29:36,504
And to think that he's
here now standing outside here
1817
01:29:36,538 --> 01:29:39,907
a free man is just
unbelievable that this journey
1818
01:29:39,941 --> 01:29:44,379
this... this, uh, you know,
is finally coming to an end, um
1819
01:29:44,412 --> 01:29:47,915
it's just an amazing story, um,
and it all just went down today.
1820
01:29:50,252 --> 01:29:51,219
Whoa!
1821
01:29:54,689 --> 01:29:56,491
It's all yours.
1822
01:29:56,524 --> 01:29:59,361
Can you bag that up,
so I can take it with me?
1823
01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:01,162
I can't eat that.
1824
01:30:08,503 --> 01:30:11,339
The food was delicious.
1825
01:30:11,373 --> 01:30:15,777
I'm so full that I can't even
breathe, I can only just blow.
1826
01:30:15,810 --> 01:30:18,446
That... that lobster, man,
when you were eating that lobster
1827
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:19,881
it looked like you were in heaven.
1828
01:30:19,914 --> 01:30:22,116
I was savoring the moment.
1829
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:24,786
Every, every, every flavor.
1830
01:30:27,855 --> 01:30:30,024
It's too big, man.
1831
01:30:32,327 --> 01:30:35,563
15 years and 8 months.
1832
01:30:36,731 --> 01:30:38,900
The world has changed.
1833
01:30:38,933 --> 01:30:41,436
And as a 64-year-old man
1834
01:30:41,469 --> 01:30:43,438
I have to adapt to it.
1835
01:30:44,672 --> 01:30:46,874
Now that I'm free...
1836
01:30:46,908 --> 01:30:49,411
What about justice for me?
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