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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,041 --> 00:00:10,777 Who shot Jerry and Marilyn? 2 00:00:10,810 --> 00:00:12,913 Alstory Simon. 3 00:00:12,946 --> 00:00:17,150 Did you know a man named Anthony Porter or Tony Porter? 4 00:00:17,184 --> 00:00:18,952 No, I don't. 5 00:00:18,986 --> 00:00:23,790 Why didn't you tell the, uh, investigator what you knew 6 00:00:23,823 --> 00:00:26,259 about the killing of these people 7 00:00:26,293 --> 00:00:28,595 given that he had told you that an innocent man 8 00:00:28,628 --> 00:00:30,230 was about to be executed? 9 00:00:34,734 --> 00:00:37,404 Anthony Porter was the trigger of all of this. 10 00:00:37,437 --> 00:00:39,739 How does an innocent man sit on death row 11 00:00:39,772 --> 00:00:43,343 for 15 years and gets no relief? 12 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:46,713 Except for the students of journalism 13 00:00:46,746 --> 00:00:48,548 at Northwestern University. 14 00:00:48,581 --> 00:00:50,417 How the hell does that happen? 15 00:00:50,450 --> 00:00:52,285 In America that happened. 16 00:00:52,319 --> 00:00:55,555 Wasn't China, wasn't Korea. 17 00:00:55,588 --> 00:00:59,026 It was in the greatest country in the world, America. 18 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:00,493 If it hadn't been for the students 19 00:01:00,527 --> 00:01:03,463 at Northwestern University, he'd be dead and buried. 20 00:01:22,515 --> 00:01:25,118 In 1983, Anthony Porter 21 00:01:25,152 --> 00:01:27,620 was sentenced to death for the murders of teenagers 22 00:01:27,654 --> 00:01:30,057 Jerry Hillard and Marilyn Green 23 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:31,758 at the Washington Park swimming pool 24 00:01:31,791 --> 00:01:33,994 on Chicago's South Side. 25 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:42,769 Anthony Porter's 1999 release 26 00:01:42,802 --> 00:01:44,737 was the 10th death row exoneration 27 00:01:44,771 --> 00:01:48,841 since capital punishment was reinstated in 1977. 28 00:01:48,875 --> 00:01:50,710 Allegations of police brutality 29 00:01:50,743 --> 00:01:54,147 and coerced confessions were now commonplace. 30 00:01:54,181 --> 00:01:57,250 The "Chicago Tribune" published a multi-part series 31 00:01:57,284 --> 00:01:59,719 focusing on these botched convictions 32 00:01:59,752 --> 00:02:02,222 malicious prosecutions and the lawsuits 33 00:02:02,255 --> 00:02:05,525 and massive financial awards that followed. 34 00:02:05,558 --> 00:02:08,461 Nearly every phase of the criminal justice system 35 00:02:08,495 --> 00:02:11,498 now operated under a cloud of suspicion. 36 00:02:13,266 --> 00:02:16,303 To free a wrongfully convicted man 37 00:02:16,336 --> 00:02:18,871 who had spent 15 years behind bars 38 00:02:18,905 --> 00:02:21,208 for a double homicide he did not commit 39 00:02:21,241 --> 00:02:24,211 and was 48 hours away from being executed 40 00:02:24,244 --> 00:02:28,248 has got to be the great dream 41 00:02:28,281 --> 00:02:31,584 of any reporter anywhere. 42 00:02:31,618 --> 00:02:33,086 I don't know that you could contrive 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,622 a story more wonderful than that. 44 00:02:35,655 --> 00:02:38,725 No, I'm frankly outraged that the state was willing, ready 45 00:02:38,758 --> 00:02:40,560 and able to execute an innocent man. 46 00:02:40,593 --> 00:02:42,729 And if it had not been for his attorneys getting a stay 47 00:02:42,762 --> 00:02:45,365 on September 21st, my students and I 48 00:02:45,398 --> 00:02:47,834 would not have had the opportunity to free him. 49 00:02:47,867 --> 00:02:50,737 David Protess was a Northwestern University 50 00:02:50,770 --> 00:02:52,939 journalism professor, author, 51 00:02:52,972 --> 00:02:55,642 and leader of the school's Innocence Project. 52 00:02:55,675 --> 00:02:58,545 I had the opportunity to take David Protess' 53 00:02:58,578 --> 00:03:00,513 investigative journalism class. 54 00:03:00,547 --> 00:03:03,950 And I ended up working on the case of Anthony Porter. 55 00:03:03,983 --> 00:03:07,554 Anthony had come within 50 hours of execution 56 00:03:07,587 --> 00:03:10,090 exactly a week before we started class. 57 00:03:16,896 --> 00:03:18,698 He received a stay at the last minute. 58 00:03:18,731 --> 00:03:20,200 But he didn't receive a stay because 59 00:03:20,233 --> 00:03:22,001 anyone thought he was innocent. 60 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:26,039 He received a stay because his IQ had been tested at 51 61 00:03:26,073 --> 00:03:27,407 and there were questions about whether 62 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,509 he was competent to be executed. 63 00:03:29,542 --> 00:03:32,812 We went and we reenacted the crime. 64 00:03:32,845 --> 00:03:35,715 And we found out that the eyewitness who said 65 00:03:35,748 --> 00:03:38,017 he had seen Anthony Porter committing the crime 66 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:39,519 couldn't have seen it at all. 67 00:03:39,552 --> 00:03:42,689 That witness recanted his testimony. 68 00:03:45,558 --> 00:03:48,628 And the case against Mr. Porter began to fall apart. 69 00:03:48,661 --> 00:03:51,030 The students teamed up with a private investigator. 70 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:54,134 A fellow by the name of Paul Ciolino. 71 00:03:54,167 --> 00:03:56,736 Then we tracked down the ex-wife of the person 72 00:03:56,769 --> 00:03:58,271 we thought was the real killer. 73 00:03:58,305 --> 00:04:01,774 And she told us on video that she had been there 74 00:04:01,808 --> 00:04:03,610 when her husband committed the crime. 75 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,085 The betrayal led to a man 76 00:04:12,119 --> 00:04:15,155 named Alstory Simon in Milwaukee. 77 00:04:15,188 --> 00:04:17,957 A private investigator obtained a videotape confession 78 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:20,493 from Simon that he and not Mr. Porter 79 00:04:20,527 --> 00:04:23,996 had killed the couple in the park in Chicago in 1982. 80 00:04:29,302 --> 00:04:33,906 And Anthony was released on the state's motion 2 days later. 81 00:04:42,682 --> 00:04:44,584 I'm absolutely thrilled and ecstatic 82 00:04:44,617 --> 00:04:46,419 that an innocent man is gonna be walking to freedom. 83 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:51,658 And having played some role in that just makes me feel exhilarated. 84 00:04:51,691 --> 00:04:54,361 As far as the media was concerned, they were heroes. 85 00:04:54,394 --> 00:04:57,230 They spared the innocent guy from death 86 00:04:57,264 --> 00:05:00,833 and it was a huge story in Chicago and nationally. 87 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:03,536 On the issue of capital punishment. 88 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:05,772 One of the people is Anthony Porter. 89 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:07,740 He spent 16 years on death row 90 00:05:07,774 --> 00:05:10,243 he was within 2 days of being executed. 91 00:05:10,277 --> 00:05:14,681 In 1996, Protess freed 4 convicted murderers. 92 00:05:14,714 --> 00:05:16,549 2 of them from death row. 93 00:05:16,583 --> 00:05:19,952 In a case known as "The Ford Heights Four." 94 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:22,489 People began to jokingly say that my home telephone number 95 00:05:22,522 --> 00:05:25,658 is on every prison cellblock wall in America. 96 00:05:25,692 --> 00:05:27,660 The Anthony Porter case was pivotal moment 97 00:05:27,694 --> 00:05:29,396 in the abolition of the death penalty in Illinois. 98 00:05:29,429 --> 00:05:33,132 It was the case that widely reported to have moved 99 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,868 Governor Ryan from his being on the fence 100 00:05:35,902 --> 00:05:37,437 about the death penalty to being 101 00:05:37,470 --> 00:05:39,939 actively very concerned about its administration. 102 00:05:39,972 --> 00:05:44,076 I'm commuting the sentence of all death row inmates. 103 00:05:44,110 --> 00:05:46,646 167 of them. 104 00:05:46,679 --> 00:05:48,014 Everything that I have believed in 105 00:05:48,047 --> 00:05:50,517 about the criminal justice system 106 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:51,951 was now coming into question 107 00:05:51,984 --> 00:05:55,422 with the botched conviction of Mr. Porter. 108 00:05:55,455 --> 00:05:57,590 You can sort of draw almost a direct line 109 00:05:57,624 --> 00:06:01,127 from the shock that Governor Ryan felt about 110 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,729 what almost happened to Anthony Porter 111 00:06:02,762 --> 00:06:06,866 to the abolition of the death penalty nearly a decade later. 112 00:06:06,899 --> 00:06:11,838 My first reaction was, "Oh, my God!" 113 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:17,244 "Don't tell me we almost put an innocent man to death." 114 00:06:17,277 --> 00:06:20,813 It was the most emotional time in my life. 115 00:06:20,847 --> 00:06:23,316 I saw it on the news. 116 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:25,184 Governor Ryan was on there and he said 117 00:06:25,218 --> 00:06:28,521 "Come on up here, little buddy" and it was Anthony Porter. 118 00:06:28,555 --> 00:06:31,324 And then the governor was explaining the fine work 119 00:06:31,358 --> 00:06:35,962 of this journalism class and I was amazed. 120 00:06:35,995 --> 00:06:40,900 I was confused and actually I got depressed over it. 121 00:06:40,933 --> 00:06:43,202 What did I do wrong? 122 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:48,308 I prided myself in conducting 123 00:06:48,341 --> 00:06:50,577 good investigations. 124 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:53,313 It... it just blew me away. 125 00:06:53,346 --> 00:06:55,315 Richard Devine was the state's attorney 126 00:06:55,348 --> 00:06:56,883 of Cook County, Illinois. 127 00:06:56,916 --> 00:06:57,950 Once again 128 00:06:57,984 --> 00:06:59,452 in the crosshairs of the media 129 00:06:59,486 --> 00:07:01,321 and wrongful conviction movement 130 00:07:01,354 --> 00:07:03,523 he ordered a grand jury investigation 131 00:07:03,556 --> 00:07:05,592 into the 1982 murders. 132 00:07:05,625 --> 00:07:07,760 We should get these allegations in court. 133 00:07:07,794 --> 00:07:10,330 Assistant State's Attorney Thomas Gainer 134 00:07:10,363 --> 00:07:13,099 led the grand jury investigation to find out 135 00:07:13,132 --> 00:07:16,035 who really killed Jerry and Marilyn. 136 00:07:16,068 --> 00:07:17,637 The state's attorney's office took testimony 137 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:19,372 from witnesses who were in the park at the time 138 00:07:19,406 --> 00:07:21,774 of the shooting and also David Protess 139 00:07:21,808 --> 00:07:24,577 his students and investigator, Paul Ciolino. 140 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:26,646 After the conclusion of the grand jury proceedings 141 00:07:26,679 --> 00:07:28,948 Anthony Porter's conviction was vacated. 142 00:07:29,916 --> 00:07:31,484 He was a free man. 143 00:07:31,518 --> 00:07:34,821 Through the Northwestern investigation, the guilty guy 144 00:07:34,854 --> 00:07:38,024 Alstory Simon was put in prison and the innocent guy 145 00:07:38,057 --> 00:07:40,493 Anthony Porter was released. 146 00:07:40,527 --> 00:07:42,395 There was one problem though, 147 00:07:42,429 --> 00:07:44,731 Anthony Porter killed those 2 people. 148 00:07:45,832 --> 00:07:47,900 It was one big lie. 149 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:55,842 The thing I remember about Anthony Porter being released in 1999 150 00:07:55,875 --> 00:07:58,010 was the hug picture. 151 00:07:58,044 --> 00:08:00,847 It was enough to make my blood boil. 152 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,318 This case had a motive behind it bigger than the crime. 153 00:08:05,352 --> 00:08:08,054 They did it, they killed the death penalty. 154 00:08:08,087 --> 00:08:09,989 On the wrong case. 155 00:08:10,022 --> 00:08:11,991 Anthony Porter's going back to court today. 156 00:08:12,024 --> 00:08:13,326 He's planning to file a suit against 157 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,261 8 Chicago police officers. 158 00:08:15,294 --> 00:08:20,333 My reaction to the announcement of that lawsuit was... I was livid. 159 00:08:20,367 --> 00:08:23,135 I was furious. I was insulted. 160 00:08:23,169 --> 00:08:25,638 I just couldn't believe that it was happening. 161 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:28,841 When you get sued like that, you have to go in 162 00:08:28,875 --> 00:08:31,143 and list all your assets. 163 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:37,784 I can lose... everything that I'd worked for, over what? 164 00:08:37,817 --> 00:08:41,521 Porter's contention, according to the lawsuit was 165 00:08:41,554 --> 00:08:43,823 uh, that we manufactured the case. 166 00:08:46,493 --> 00:08:47,494 They railroaded him. 167 00:08:54,567 --> 00:08:57,870 This was the first time in the 17 years since his arrest 168 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:01,273 that Porter said he was tortured by police. 169 00:09:01,307 --> 00:09:08,247 To be accused of being racist by the lawsuit, that made me angry. 170 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,016 That ain't me. 171 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:11,751 We're professionals. 172 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:13,886 We didn't operate that way. 173 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,556 And I knew that he had no business suing me 174 00:09:16,589 --> 00:09:18,591 because I had not done anything wrong. 175 00:09:18,625 --> 00:09:21,027 Nor had any of the other police officers. 176 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:24,431 Northwestern had a real good PR machine 177 00:09:24,464 --> 00:09:27,600 and they were churning out a lot of different articles 178 00:09:27,634 --> 00:09:30,236 a lot of different TV interviews 179 00:09:30,269 --> 00:09:33,706 and I started listening to the facts. 180 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:36,242 What they were saying, and I said wait a minute 181 00:09:36,275 --> 00:09:38,177 this isn't the same case. 182 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:39,979 I said there's... There's something going on. 183 00:09:40,012 --> 00:09:43,616 But what's going on is not what you see on TV. 184 00:09:43,650 --> 00:09:46,619 Walter Jones was hired to defend the city of Chicago 185 00:09:46,653 --> 00:09:49,088 against Porter's civil suit. 186 00:09:49,121 --> 00:09:51,758 When I got called by the mayor's office 187 00:09:51,791 --> 00:09:54,794 and they said, "Walter, we got a problem." 188 00:09:54,827 --> 00:09:59,398 We've got a guy who has been on death row 189 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:02,935 for over 16 years and all of a sudden now 190 00:10:02,969 --> 00:10:05,137 he's gotten a pardon of innocence 191 00:10:05,171 --> 00:10:07,774 and the case has turned into a huge mess. 192 00:10:07,807 --> 00:10:11,944 But it's not a case that we are prepared to fold on 193 00:10:11,978 --> 00:10:15,915 because we have some police officers who are adamant 194 00:10:15,948 --> 00:10:18,485 that they never did anything wrong. 195 00:10:18,518 --> 00:10:21,253 I knew that he had not been wrongly accused. 196 00:10:21,287 --> 00:10:23,656 I knew that he belonged in jail. 197 00:10:23,690 --> 00:10:25,758 We got the right guy. 198 00:10:25,792 --> 00:10:27,660 We got the right offender. 199 00:10:28,595 --> 00:10:30,697 Jim Delorto and John Mazzola 200 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:32,799 are retired federal investigators 201 00:10:32,832 --> 00:10:35,101 who took an interest in this case. 202 00:10:35,134 --> 00:10:38,437 They now work for Alstory Simon's legal team. 203 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:40,473 My partner Jim Delorto and I went to 204 00:10:40,507 --> 00:10:44,243 Danville Correctional Center to interview Alstory Simon 205 00:10:44,276 --> 00:10:46,212 to find out if he could enlighten us 206 00:10:46,245 --> 00:10:49,849 as to what happened and why he confessed to this crime. 207 00:10:49,882 --> 00:10:52,819 So we went down there, hoping to learn something 208 00:10:52,852 --> 00:10:56,088 and we were astonished by what he told us. 209 00:10:56,122 --> 00:10:59,759 In July 2001, without help from an attorney 210 00:10:59,792 --> 00:11:02,829 Alstory Simon filed a post conviction petition 211 00:11:02,862 --> 00:11:04,697 claiming that he was innocent. 212 00:11:04,731 --> 00:11:07,299 And that his confession was coerced. 213 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:08,768 I never murdered anybody. 214 00:11:08,801 --> 00:11:11,303 I didn't have no involvement in Marilyn Green's 215 00:11:11,337 --> 00:11:12,739 and Jerry Hillard's death. 216 00:11:12,772 --> 00:11:15,875 New allegations of misconduct in the Porter-Simon cases 217 00:11:15,908 --> 00:11:17,476 have been filed in a complaint 218 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:19,145 with the Illinois Supreme Court. 219 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:21,681 It alleges Alstory Simon's lawyer knew 220 00:11:21,714 --> 00:11:23,282 he was innocent and that Porter 221 00:11:23,315 --> 00:11:26,753 should have never been released from prison. 222 00:11:26,786 --> 00:11:29,121 Attorneys Jim Sotos and Terry Ekl 223 00:11:29,155 --> 00:11:31,791 now represent Alstory Simon. 224 00:11:31,824 --> 00:11:34,794 In my heart of hearts, and I will go to my grave 225 00:11:34,827 --> 00:11:38,464 believing that Anthony Porter committed this murder. 226 00:11:38,497 --> 00:11:41,534 And that Alstory Simon is 100% innocent. 227 00:11:41,568 --> 00:11:44,370 I'm just tired of this stuff. I know that I'm innocent 228 00:11:44,403 --> 00:11:45,605 and these people just keep coming up 229 00:11:45,638 --> 00:11:47,607 bringing this stuff up, like, harassing me. 230 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,578 If we're gonna try this case, we have to try this case 231 00:11:51,611 --> 00:11:54,446 like it was a brand new case. 232 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,684 And we must show the jury that he was guilty 233 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,752 beyond a reasonable doubt. 234 00:11:59,786 --> 00:12:02,421 Because if we don't do that 235 00:12:02,454 --> 00:12:05,892 that verdict is going to be $24 million. 236 00:12:05,925 --> 00:12:07,393 People know that I'm innocent 237 00:12:07,426 --> 00:12:09,028 everybody know that I'm innocent, you know. 238 00:12:09,061 --> 00:12:13,299 I'm innocent and this is what happened to me. 239 00:12:13,332 --> 00:12:17,003 Based on all the work that we had done, 240 00:12:17,036 --> 00:12:20,472 there was no question in our mind that 241 00:12:20,506 --> 00:12:23,676 we had gotten this right from the very beginning. 242 00:12:23,710 --> 00:12:27,680 And that Porter was responsible for those killings. 243 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:34,954 August 15, 1982 244 00:12:34,987 --> 00:12:41,027 in the very, very early hours of August 15 after the conclusion of the, 245 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:43,095 uh, Bud Billiken Parade. 246 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:47,900 The community has a big parade which ends at Washington Park 247 00:12:47,934 --> 00:12:50,870 and it's a day of celebration in the black community 248 00:12:50,903 --> 00:12:53,405 with picnicking and games and... 249 00:12:53,439 --> 00:12:56,442 There were thousands of people in the park. 250 00:12:56,475 --> 00:12:59,545 By 7 or 8 o'clock at night, 251 00:12:59,578 --> 00:13:01,347 the neighborhood starts to quiet down. 252 00:13:01,380 --> 00:13:02,448 Everybody's worn out. 253 00:13:02,481 --> 00:13:03,582 They've been partying 254 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:06,185 since early in the day. 255 00:13:06,218 --> 00:13:08,721 And we look forward to the night because 256 00:13:08,755 --> 00:13:13,860 usually that night was really quite calm. 257 00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:17,797 The night Jerry and Marilyn got killed 258 00:13:17,830 --> 00:13:21,400 I was 13 years old in 1982. 259 00:13:21,433 --> 00:13:23,135 Ray Brown didn't come forward 260 00:13:23,169 --> 00:13:25,872 with his story until 2006 261 00:13:25,905 --> 00:13:27,506 because he heard Porter had already 262 00:13:27,539 --> 00:13:29,809 been arrested for the crime. 263 00:13:29,842 --> 00:13:32,311 William Taylor was the state's star witness 264 00:13:32,344 --> 00:13:36,115 against Porter at his 1983 trial. 265 00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:40,386 Just a fun, warm night, drinking, socializing 266 00:13:40,419 --> 00:13:42,955 and... and it was extremely hot. 267 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:46,258 So I said, "Well, let's all go to the pool." 268 00:13:46,292 --> 00:13:48,828 On a hot night, people got over the fences 269 00:13:48,861 --> 00:13:50,496 or through the fences. 270 00:13:50,596 --> 00:13:54,066 They swam, actually harmless fun. 271 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,435 They didn't have enough police working that night 272 00:13:56,468 --> 00:13:59,872 to chase them out and I don't think we'd have chased them out anyway. 273 00:13:59,906 --> 00:14:03,475 Jerry Hilliard and Marilyn Green were 18 and 19 years old 274 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:05,277 sitting in the bleachers of Washington Park 275 00:14:05,311 --> 00:14:07,980 about 1:00 in the morning enjoying the night. 276 00:14:08,014 --> 00:14:11,017 First upon arrival, I walked in through the gate 277 00:14:11,050 --> 00:14:12,785 to get into the bleachers. 278 00:14:12,819 --> 00:14:16,388 'Cause I seen Jerry and I seen his girl. 279 00:14:16,422 --> 00:14:18,457 And I spoke to him in, like 280 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:20,559 "Little Ray, your little bad self always." 281 00:14:20,592 --> 00:14:22,028 "Now, what you fitting gonna do?" 282 00:14:22,061 --> 00:14:24,330 You know, I'm like "I'm fitting go swimming." You know. 283 00:14:24,363 --> 00:14:27,133 I was at the wrong place at the wrong time. 284 00:14:27,166 --> 00:14:30,402 If I had kept my ass at home, who knows how much better 285 00:14:30,436 --> 00:14:33,072 or more... much more pleasant my life would have been. 286 00:14:35,207 --> 00:14:37,543 My partner Geraldine Perry and I were 287 00:14:37,576 --> 00:14:42,481 violent crime detectives and we heard the call of, uh, 288 00:14:42,514 --> 00:14:46,418 2 people shot in Washington Park 289 00:14:46,452 --> 00:14:49,455 in the bleachers just to the west of the swimming pool 290 00:14:49,488 --> 00:14:52,124 alongside of the field house. 291 00:14:52,158 --> 00:14:55,194 And the police, when they investigated the crime scene 292 00:14:55,227 --> 00:14:58,697 they found a necklace on the floor here of Marilyn Green. 293 00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:01,033 And the police speculated that 294 00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:03,602 a motive may have been robbery and that she resisted 295 00:15:03,635 --> 00:15:07,306 because she was shot through her hand and into her neck. 296 00:15:07,339 --> 00:15:10,509 After she got shot, her boyfriend got shot. 297 00:15:10,542 --> 00:15:13,746 He was shot twice in the head. 298 00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:17,984 Marilyn Green, after getting shot, was holding her neck. 299 00:15:18,017 --> 00:15:20,486 She staggered down these steps. 300 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:24,390 She came out this north gate towards the parking lot 301 00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:26,225 right when Officer Anthony Liace 302 00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:28,094 was pulling up in his squad car. 303 00:15:28,127 --> 00:15:29,862 She was holding her neck 304 00:15:29,896 --> 00:15:31,330 pointing towards the bleachers 305 00:15:31,363 --> 00:15:33,499 and then she ran past Liace 306 00:15:33,532 --> 00:15:37,269 and then Officer Billy Johnson had a squad care there. 307 00:15:37,303 --> 00:15:40,039 Marilynn Green was placed in Officer Johnson's squad car 308 00:15:40,072 --> 00:15:42,308 and rushed to the hospital. 309 00:15:42,341 --> 00:15:46,612 Officers Liace and Anderson ran south behind the bleachers 310 00:15:46,645 --> 00:15:49,448 and saw a man fleeing the area. 311 00:15:49,481 --> 00:15:52,484 They stopped and frisked the man. 312 00:15:52,518 --> 00:15:55,788 Finding no weapon, they let him go. 313 00:15:55,822 --> 00:15:58,057 My partner and I proceeded up into the stands 314 00:15:58,090 --> 00:16:00,692 where we saw a young man leaning back 315 00:16:00,726 --> 00:16:03,329 against the back wall of the bleachers. 316 00:16:03,362 --> 00:16:06,265 I told the 2 witnesses to grab the victim's shoulders 317 00:16:06,298 --> 00:16:08,600 and I grabbed his feet and we walked him down 318 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:10,436 out of the stands. 319 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:13,172 He was in very serious condition. 320 00:16:13,205 --> 00:16:14,974 We called for a wagon to transport him 321 00:16:15,007 --> 00:16:17,176 to the hospital soon as possible. 322 00:16:17,209 --> 00:16:19,979 The wagon took him off to Billings Hospital 323 00:16:20,012 --> 00:16:21,480 where he died later. 324 00:16:21,513 --> 00:16:24,150 I found out later that the female victim 325 00:16:24,183 --> 00:16:26,785 had died at Providence Hospital. 326 00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:38,497 It was a loss. I mean, she was so young. 327 00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:41,667 And she had 2 kids. 328 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:44,670 Well, I love my sister, and I miss her. 329 00:16:44,703 --> 00:16:46,038 And I wish it never happened. 330 00:16:46,072 --> 00:16:49,541 I wish she was never up up in Washington Park. 331 00:16:49,575 --> 00:16:52,378 Detectives Dwyer and Perry interviewed witnesses 332 00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:54,713 Henry Williams and William Taylor. 333 00:16:54,746 --> 00:16:57,816 And learned that Porter had robbed Williams at gunpoint 334 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:01,353 before entering the bleachers and sitting near the victims. 335 00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:04,323 Henry told me this... this himself. 336 00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:07,793 That Porter had came over by him 337 00:17:07,826 --> 00:17:09,661 and stuck him up. 338 00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:13,599 I came to work at approximately 20 after 4. 339 00:17:13,632 --> 00:17:16,535 My supervising sergeant called me in and he said 340 00:17:16,568 --> 00:17:19,939 "Chuck, you and Dennis are gonna pick up the double 341 00:17:19,972 --> 00:17:22,641 from Washington Park last night." 342 00:17:22,674 --> 00:17:26,445 So we talked to the detectives, we reviewed the reports 343 00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:28,847 and then we talked to the witnesses. 344 00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:31,918 One of the witnesses, William Taylor 345 00:17:31,951 --> 00:17:33,352 he wanted to leave. 346 00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:36,188 At that point, he was telling us he saw the shooting 347 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:38,190 but he didn't know who the offender was. 348 00:17:38,224 --> 00:17:42,828 But the robbery victim said to us off to the side 349 00:17:42,861 --> 00:17:44,997 "Listen, he's lying to you." 350 00:17:45,031 --> 00:17:47,166 He actually did see the murder. 351 00:17:47,199 --> 00:17:49,936 He knows who did it, but he's really afraid. 352 00:17:49,969 --> 00:17:53,072 Taylor admitted to detectives Salvatore and Gray 353 00:17:53,105 --> 00:17:55,674 that he did see Porter shoot the victims 354 00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:59,378 but he was terrified of Porter and his family. 355 00:17:59,411 --> 00:18:02,581 A couple of the Porter brothers knew me 356 00:18:02,614 --> 00:18:05,717 and that I was involved in this case. 357 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:08,554 I said, well, anything to keep any harm 358 00:18:08,587 --> 00:18:11,023 from coming to my great grandmother. 359 00:18:11,057 --> 00:18:14,060 Because I actually witnessed him mugging 360 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:17,663 2 seniors one day in front the building. 361 00:18:17,696 --> 00:18:20,366 After Taylor ID'd Porter as the shooter 362 00:18:20,399 --> 00:18:22,834 detectives called Assistant State's Attorney 363 00:18:22,868 --> 00:18:26,172 David Kerstein from the Felony Review Unit. 364 00:18:26,205 --> 00:18:28,707 It was Kerstein's job to ensure the case 365 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:31,710 had enough evidence for prosecution. 366 00:18:31,743 --> 00:18:35,047 After talking to the 2 witnesses 367 00:18:35,081 --> 00:18:38,250 I had a conversation with the detectives involved. 368 00:18:38,284 --> 00:18:41,787 And I said, "I'm sorry, it's not enough for me." 369 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:43,956 So what I demanded that they do 370 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:47,393 is that we transport the witnesses 371 00:18:47,426 --> 00:18:50,396 to the park to reenact the crime itself. 372 00:18:50,429 --> 00:18:53,932 The 5 of us, we go to Washington Park. 373 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:55,901 You know, they were walking us through, uh 374 00:18:55,934 --> 00:18:59,671 what happened and where they were at etcetera, etcetera. 375 00:18:59,705 --> 00:19:02,008 Now, I made sure that they were independent of each other 376 00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:04,210 and the reason for it is I didn't want 377 00:19:04,243 --> 00:19:06,578 one of the witnesses to influence the other witness. 378 00:19:08,414 --> 00:19:10,716 The first 2 witnesses to come in were 379 00:19:10,749 --> 00:19:13,085 William Taylor and Henry Williams. 380 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,520 It was about 1:00 in the morning. 381 00:19:14,553 --> 00:19:16,722 They decided to hop the fence in here. 382 00:19:16,755 --> 00:19:19,958 Right behind me, they hopped the fence in here to go swimming. 383 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,661 And they came over the fence, took off some of their clothes 384 00:19:22,694 --> 00:19:25,331 proceeded to the south part of the pool 385 00:19:25,364 --> 00:19:27,699 and they jumped in the water and went swimming. 386 00:19:27,733 --> 00:19:29,601 Then, Williams decides he's had enough 387 00:19:29,635 --> 00:19:32,071 and he comes out right in this area where I'm at 388 00:19:32,104 --> 00:19:34,173 and starts to put his cloths back on. 389 00:19:34,206 --> 00:19:37,109 As he's doing that, he sees a man approach him 390 00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:39,045 and as that man gets closer he realizes 391 00:19:39,078 --> 00:19:40,479 it's somebody he knows from the neighborhood. 392 00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:42,014 It's Tony Porter. 393 00:19:42,048 --> 00:19:44,483 Tony Porter comes up to him and says 394 00:19:44,516 --> 00:19:45,751 "Give me your money." 395 00:19:45,784 --> 00:19:48,287 And Williams says, "I don't have any money." 396 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,988 Porter then takes out a gun and puts it 397 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:52,758 right to Williams' head, to his forehead. 398 00:19:52,791 --> 00:19:56,862 Reaches in Williams' pocket, pulls out $2 and says 399 00:19:56,895 --> 00:19:58,530 "I'm giving you a break." 400 00:19:58,564 --> 00:20:01,033 He doesn't shoot him and he walks away. 401 00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:03,635 And Williams then said a few minutes later when he looked 402 00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:05,671 to the north end of the bleachers 403 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:07,706 he could see Porter up at the top 404 00:20:07,739 --> 00:20:10,409 with the 2 victims. 405 00:20:10,442 --> 00:20:12,811 And then a few minutes later, Taylor comes out of the pool 406 00:20:12,844 --> 00:20:16,548 and he starts to dry off and he hears shots. 407 00:20:16,582 --> 00:20:18,617 And he turns around to the north side of the bleachers 408 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:20,552 where he hears the shots coming from. 409 00:20:20,586 --> 00:20:24,256 Taylor says he sees Porter at point blank range 410 00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:26,892 pointing the gun at a male victim. 411 00:20:26,925 --> 00:20:29,161 And he see's Porter fire the gun. 412 00:20:29,195 --> 00:20:31,363 And the victim falls back. 413 00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:35,834 Taylor then says he sees Porter shoot the victim again. 414 00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:39,505 After the shots are fired, Porter runs down the stairs 415 00:20:39,538 --> 00:20:41,407 right down this walkway from the north 416 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,841 towards me to the south. 417 00:20:42,874 --> 00:20:45,444 I looked up and I saw him running down the steps. 418 00:20:45,477 --> 00:20:48,580 Right past me out the south gate. 419 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:51,117 Tony Porter. 420 00:20:51,150 --> 00:20:54,019 At that point, I was somewhat satisfied 421 00:20:54,052 --> 00:20:55,854 with what they had told me 422 00:20:55,887 --> 00:20:59,791 matched their interview that I had earlier at the station. 423 00:20:59,825 --> 00:21:02,094 And we found out that the eyewitness 424 00:21:02,128 --> 00:21:03,762 who said he had seen Anthony Porter 425 00:21:03,795 --> 00:21:06,498 committing the crime couldn't have seen it at all. 426 00:21:06,532 --> 00:21:09,935 In 1999, the Northwestern students conducted 427 00:21:09,968 --> 00:21:12,671 a reenactment in Washington Park 428 00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:14,840 and concluded that William Taylor 429 00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:17,075 couldn't have seen Porter commit the murders. 430 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:20,479 Because his view would have been blocked by an iron fence 431 00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:22,181 and obstructions in the bleachers. 432 00:21:22,214 --> 00:21:26,285 And they all said it took place at the very corner 433 00:21:26,318 --> 00:21:28,520 of the bleachers. 434 00:21:28,554 --> 00:21:31,056 I saw the crime photographs and I says 435 00:21:31,089 --> 00:21:34,025 "Wait a minute, this is wrong." 436 00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:35,361 They're wrong. 437 00:21:35,394 --> 00:21:37,129 The students were not examining 438 00:21:37,163 --> 00:21:39,064 the actual crime location. 439 00:21:39,097 --> 00:21:42,701 And were unaware that the obstructions they cited in 1999 440 00:21:42,734 --> 00:21:46,838 weren't in the bleachers in 1982. 441 00:21:46,872 --> 00:21:50,942 You can look from the pool area up into the bleachers. 442 00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:54,546 Unobstructed, even through the fence you can see. 443 00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:57,649 While Kerstein questioned Taylor and Williams at the pool 444 00:21:57,683 --> 00:21:59,785 a detective overheard 2 men talking 445 00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:02,488 about seeing Porter kill the victims. 446 00:22:02,521 --> 00:22:04,623 Their names were Kenneth Edwards 447 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,325 and Michael Woodfork. 448 00:22:06,358 --> 00:22:08,994 And they asked if we saw 449 00:22:09,027 --> 00:22:12,398 what happened last night and Mike said yeah. 450 00:22:12,431 --> 00:22:15,367 That's when they find out, that's when they get to know the story 451 00:22:15,401 --> 00:22:17,703 that, no, we saw what happened. 452 00:22:17,736 --> 00:22:19,938 So then he started talking to him 453 00:22:19,971 --> 00:22:22,341 and he started walking back with him and he says 454 00:22:22,374 --> 00:22:23,409 "You ain't gonna believe this." 455 00:22:23,442 --> 00:22:25,444 He says, "They saw the shooting" 456 00:22:25,477 --> 00:22:28,180 and they just ID'd Porter. 457 00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:32,117 It was out of nowhere that these 2 other witnesses 458 00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:34,253 who had been previously undiscovered. 459 00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:37,456 No one knew of them, came forward to talk to us. 460 00:22:37,489 --> 00:22:38,590 I am positive 461 00:22:38,624 --> 00:22:40,025 that Anthony Porter killed those people. 462 00:22:40,058 --> 00:22:42,994 I saw him with my own eyes. 463 00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:45,831 With this new information, detectives took Edwards 464 00:22:45,864 --> 00:22:48,967 and Woodfork to the police station for further interviews. 465 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,471 They also spoke with Mark Senior and Eugene Beckwith. 466 00:22:52,504 --> 00:22:55,774 Two witnesses who saw Porter in the stands with the victims. 467 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,245 Like William and Taylor, those 4 guys 468 00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:01,813 entered the pool area from the north 469 00:23:01,847 --> 00:23:04,115 walked along that same walkway 470 00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:06,017 and then when they got to the point right here 471 00:23:06,051 --> 00:23:07,853 where they were about to hop the fence 472 00:23:07,886 --> 00:23:11,156 they looked up in the bleachers and they saw 4 people. 473 00:23:11,189 --> 00:23:13,792 3 men and 1 female. 474 00:23:13,825 --> 00:23:16,295 And Edwards, Beckwith 475 00:23:16,328 --> 00:23:18,997 and Senior would all tell the police 476 00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:22,401 that one of the men up in the bleachers was Tony Porter 477 00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:23,969 and Tony Porter was somebody 478 00:23:24,002 --> 00:23:25,704 they knew from the neighborhood. 479 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:28,206 And we walked past them and we were like 480 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,041 "What's up Tone? What's up Tone?" you know. 481 00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,577 'Cause he was the only one we knew 482 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:33,945 out of those 4 people. 483 00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:36,315 Beckwith and Edwards decide to go swimming 484 00:23:36,348 --> 00:23:38,016 And they proceed to hop the fence 485 00:23:38,049 --> 00:23:39,551 and come into the pool area. 486 00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:40,986 And they jump in the water. 487 00:23:41,019 --> 00:23:42,454 'Cause they're gonna use the diving boards 488 00:23:42,488 --> 00:23:44,656 at the south end of the pool. 489 00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:46,057 They were on these diving boards 490 00:23:46,091 --> 00:23:47,826 at the time of the shooting. 491 00:23:47,859 --> 00:23:50,896 According to Beckwith, he was on the high dive 492 00:23:50,929 --> 00:23:52,698 and he noticed on the north end of the bleachers 493 00:23:52,731 --> 00:23:55,434 4 people, 3 men and a woman. 494 00:23:55,467 --> 00:23:56,902 And he says Tony Porter 495 00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:59,805 was absolutely one of the person's in that group. 496 00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:01,907 He saw a male stand up and shoot somebody. 497 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:03,141 He's not sure if Porter 498 00:24:03,174 --> 00:24:05,076 was actually the guy who fired the gun. 499 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:07,245 Edwards was the guy who had 500 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,047 already jumped off the diving board 501 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,649 and was standing right about where I'm at 502 00:24:10,682 --> 00:24:12,651 which is a raised area. 503 00:24:12,684 --> 00:24:14,052 And from here 504 00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:16,121 you can easily see over the fence 505 00:24:16,154 --> 00:24:18,390 into the north part of the bleachers. 506 00:24:18,424 --> 00:24:20,492 And he actually saw Porter 507 00:24:20,526 --> 00:24:23,395 fire the gun that killed Jerry Hillard. 508 00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:25,397 And all of a sudden you just see pow, pow. 509 00:24:26,665 --> 00:24:28,734 When I see that, I tell Eugene to get down 510 00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:31,803 'cause I don't want them to see us up there seeing them. 511 00:24:33,405 --> 00:24:34,706 I saw Porter. 512 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:37,008 I saw Tony Porter and I saw him do it. 513 00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:39,911 So I wanna get down because I don't want him to know 514 00:24:39,945 --> 00:24:42,581 that that's us up there because he knows us. 515 00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:46,284 Edwards then exited the pool area to the south 516 00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:48,119 along with Beckwith. 517 00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:49,220 We're not looking back. 518 00:24:49,254 --> 00:24:50,922 We're just taking off. 519 00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:56,395 So once I got off the diving board and went in 9 feet 520 00:24:56,428 --> 00:25:00,098 I swam up to get out of the swimming pool. 521 00:25:01,132 --> 00:25:03,702 And, uh, I see Anthony Porter. 522 00:25:03,735 --> 00:25:06,304 Right there in the bleachers. 523 00:25:07,639 --> 00:25:09,508 He shot 'em and killed 'em and he ran. 524 00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:12,143 You know, leaving out the swimming pool. 525 00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:14,480 Senior and Woodfork were 526 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:17,483 in the bleachers here talking to a couple of girls 527 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,217 And when the shots were fired 528 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:20,719 they looked behind them 529 00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:23,254 to the north and saw the shots being fired. 530 00:25:23,288 --> 00:25:25,491 Of the 4 people that were there 531 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,393 how many were men and how many were women? 532 00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:29,260 3 men, 1 woman. 533 00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:31,463 Anthony Porter being one of the men, is that right? 534 00:25:31,497 --> 00:25:32,498 Correct. 535 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,232 None of those 3 people 536 00:25:34,265 --> 00:25:36,034 was Alstory Simon, is that correct? 537 00:25:36,067 --> 00:25:38,003 Not that I can recall, no. 538 00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:41,673 And the Northwestern students 539 00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:43,809 didn't even talk to those 4 witnesses. 540 00:25:45,243 --> 00:25:47,312 "Did you interview any of those people?" 541 00:25:47,345 --> 00:25:49,214 "No, we didn't because they all said 542 00:25:49,247 --> 00:25:52,150 it was too dark to see anything, I think." 543 00:25:52,183 --> 00:25:53,919 "That's what I thought they said." 544 00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:55,787 That's just completely false. 545 00:25:55,821 --> 00:25:58,524 And for her to say that is just mind boggling 546 00:25:58,557 --> 00:25:59,891 to act like the people in the park 547 00:25:59,925 --> 00:26:01,993 were inconsequential. 548 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:04,295 "Were you aware that Kenneth Edwards identified 549 00:26:04,329 --> 00:26:06,732 Anthony Porter as the shooter that night?" 550 00:26:06,765 --> 00:26:10,168 "No, I guess I didn't see that part of the police report." 551 00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:13,204 A 100% positive Anthony Porter did it. 552 00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:14,740 I saw him. 553 00:26:14,773 --> 00:26:17,075 "Mr. Edwards identified Anthony Porter 554 00:26:17,108 --> 00:26:19,177 as the shooter that night, did he not?" 555 00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:22,013 "I would have to go back over the report." 556 00:26:22,047 --> 00:26:23,181 "And your students didn't investigate 557 00:26:23,214 --> 00:26:24,783 these 4 men, did they?" 558 00:26:24,816 --> 00:26:26,251 "No." 559 00:26:26,284 --> 00:26:29,087 "You didn't ask Paul Ciolino to find those 4 men?" 560 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,656 "No." 561 00:26:30,689 --> 00:26:32,524 "You didn't go out yourself and look for those 4 men?" 562 00:26:32,558 --> 00:26:33,792 Answered, "No." 563 00:26:33,825 --> 00:26:35,494 Question, "None of your group ever conducted 564 00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:37,128 any interview of those 4 men." 565 00:26:37,162 --> 00:26:38,464 Answer, "That's correct." 566 00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:41,032 Would you expect your students to interview 567 00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:43,935 all people who claim to have witnessed a crime 568 00:26:43,969 --> 00:26:45,136 the underlying crime? 569 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:47,072 - No. - Why not? 570 00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:49,541 Because many of the times they can't be found. 571 00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:52,778 No one even attempted to find any of these witnesses 572 00:26:52,811 --> 00:26:55,814 David Protess admitted that in his grand jury testimony. 573 00:26:55,847 --> 00:26:59,585 We find other independent witness. 574 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:03,221 But the combination of all 4 575 00:27:03,254 --> 00:27:05,557 speaking to me independently 576 00:27:05,591 --> 00:27:08,259 added up to only one conclusion to me. 577 00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:10,261 And that was Anthony Porter 578 00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,964 was in some way involved in this case. 579 00:27:12,998 --> 00:27:16,301 It was at that point I then felt 580 00:27:16,334 --> 00:27:18,904 that a warrant for his arrest should be made. 581 00:27:18,937 --> 00:27:20,572 After the warrant was issued 582 00:27:20,606 --> 00:27:22,273 Porter turned himself in 583 00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:25,076 but denied involvement in the murders. 584 00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:26,945 The state called 3 witnesses 585 00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:29,481 at Porter's 1983 trial. 586 00:27:29,515 --> 00:27:31,683 William Taylor, Henry Williams 587 00:27:31,717 --> 00:27:34,419 and Officer Anthony Liace. 588 00:27:34,452 --> 00:27:36,822 Officer Liace identified Anthony Porter 589 00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:40,626 in court as the person he stopped behind the bleachers. 590 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,594 Anthony Porter elected not to testify 591 00:27:42,628 --> 00:27:43,829 at his criminal trial. 592 00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:45,764 One of his friends did testify 593 00:27:45,797 --> 00:27:48,099 that he and Porter were drinking all night 594 00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:49,768 at Porter's house and outside in the playground 595 00:27:49,801 --> 00:27:51,870 until the early hours of the morning. 596 00:27:51,903 --> 00:27:53,438 It was a jury trial. 597 00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:57,242 They came back and they found him guilty of both homicides. 598 00:27:57,275 --> 00:27:59,144 After the jury found Porter guilty 599 00:27:59,177 --> 00:28:00,579 the death penalty phase began 600 00:28:00,612 --> 00:28:02,748 and the state called 2 witnesses. 601 00:28:02,781 --> 00:28:04,349 Earl Lewis testified 602 00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:06,051 that a couple weeks before the murders 603 00:28:06,084 --> 00:28:09,521 Anthony Porter walked by his house, kicked his dog 604 00:28:09,555 --> 00:28:11,422 Lewis objected, Porter pulled out a gun 605 00:28:11,456 --> 00:28:14,292 and shot Lewis in the head. 606 00:28:14,325 --> 00:28:16,595 Luckily, Lewis survived. 607 00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:18,029 'Cause he was a bully. He was... 608 00:28:18,063 --> 00:28:19,965 He was a terrified man back then. 609 00:28:19,998 --> 00:28:22,200 You say that name back then, Anthony Porter 610 00:28:22,233 --> 00:28:24,536 everybody ran. He was feared. 611 00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:27,238 Just a renegade all the way around. 612 00:28:27,272 --> 00:28:29,575 Douglas McGhee testified that in 1979 613 00:28:29,608 --> 00:28:32,744 Anthony Porter robbed him and viciously beat him. 614 00:28:32,778 --> 00:28:35,146 That robbery and beating took place in Washington Park 615 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:37,315 in the very same bleachers as the murders. 616 00:28:39,017 --> 00:28:41,352 Judge Robert Sklodowski sentenced Porter 617 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,488 to death by lethal injection. 618 00:28:43,521 --> 00:28:45,957 And likened Porter to a shark 619 00:28:45,991 --> 00:28:48,426 that returns to the same feeding ground. 620 00:28:48,459 --> 00:28:51,196 This was not a case where these people 621 00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:53,732 had never seen Anthony Porter before 622 00:28:53,765 --> 00:28:55,967 and were seeing some stranger. 623 00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,103 They all knew who he was 624 00:28:58,136 --> 00:28:59,605 from the neighborhood. 625 00:28:59,638 --> 00:29:02,240 Anthony Porter did these murders 626 00:29:02,273 --> 00:29:04,009 and he got the break of his life 627 00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:06,277 when he got freed from the penitentiary. 628 00:29:06,311 --> 00:29:08,113 The reason that my students were able to do it 629 00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:09,581 when the prosecutors did not 630 00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:12,217 is because the police started with the assumption 631 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:13,752 that Anthony Porter was guilty 632 00:29:13,785 --> 00:29:15,587 and tried to build a case around him. 633 00:29:15,621 --> 00:29:17,022 They railroaded him. 634 00:29:17,055 --> 00:29:19,124 We started with no assumption at all. 635 00:29:19,157 --> 00:29:20,759 We stared with an objective view of this. 636 00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:22,761 We didn't know whether he was guilty or innocent. 637 00:29:22,794 --> 00:29:24,395 Our goal was to search for the truth. 638 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,865 Anyone who would look at the evidence 639 00:29:26,898 --> 00:29:31,436 and say that what Northwestern did in this case was to search for the truth. 640 00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:33,171 We're working for the truth. 641 00:29:33,204 --> 00:29:35,340 That would be laughable. 642 00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:41,947 This is an email that David Protess sent to Paul Ciolino on November 5, 1998 643 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:46,785 before there had been any evidence developed against Alstory Simon. 644 00:29:46,818 --> 00:29:49,420 William Taylor hadn't said a word. 645 00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,256 They had not talked to Walter Jackson. 646 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:53,458 They had not talked to Inez Jackson. 647 00:29:53,491 --> 00:29:56,061 They hadn't talked to Alstory Simon. 648 00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:57,195 And yet at the beginning 649 00:29:57,228 --> 00:29:59,430 of November of 1998 650 00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:00,799 David Protess sends 651 00:30:00,832 --> 00:30:03,168 Paul Ciolino an email and says 652 00:30:03,201 --> 00:30:05,737 "Now, it's your turn to find people." 653 00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:09,808 "Here's what I have on the guy we're almost certain was the killer 654 00:30:09,841 --> 00:30:14,245 in the crime for which Anthony Porter faces death." 655 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,817 Protess and his journalism students met Porter and his attorney in prison 656 00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:22,553 on two separate occasions in December 1998. 657 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:26,557 I mean, th... this is a journalist's dream. 658 00:30:26,591 --> 00:30:29,761 To be in a jail with a prisoner 659 00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:32,931 asking him all the vital questions. 660 00:30:32,964 --> 00:30:35,100 Let's take Shawn Armbrust. 661 00:30:35,133 --> 00:30:39,070 "What was it about that meeting that convinced you he was innocent?" 662 00:30:39,104 --> 00:30:40,571 "Well, the reason we were going to meet him 663 00:30:40,605 --> 00:30:42,874 was to ask him if he committed the crime." 664 00:30:42,908 --> 00:30:45,276 "But the first thing he said was that he was innocent." 665 00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:49,915 "And I've heard people say that before but he was more convincing." 666 00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,292 That sounds to me like Professor Protess 667 00:31:01,326 --> 00:31:05,196 was teaching his students advocacy, not journalism. 668 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:07,032 A grand juror asked another student 669 00:31:07,065 --> 00:31:08,767 Syandene Rhodes. 670 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,368 "What would you say is the objective 671 00:31:10,401 --> 00:31:12,971 of your assignment you were given?" 672 00:31:13,004 --> 00:31:16,074 "I believe the objective would be to find any evidence, interview 673 00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:19,010 anyone you could that would lead you to freeing this man." 674 00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:21,346 So there you have an honest answer. 675 00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:23,414 It wasn't about finding the truth 676 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,383 it was about freeing Anthony Porter. 677 00:31:26,684 --> 00:31:28,219 It's interesting after hearing all this evidence 678 00:31:28,253 --> 00:31:29,888 a grand juror even asked 679 00:31:29,921 --> 00:31:33,691 "Is it possible that you were just a pawn in this whole process?" 680 00:31:33,725 --> 00:31:35,526 The grand juror asks 681 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,929 "What is motivating the move towards this direction 682 00:31:37,963 --> 00:31:40,398 where there's a lot of evidence that you've admitted that you've seen 683 00:31:40,431 --> 00:31:42,300 but passed over blindly?" 684 00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:43,935 And Syandene says, 685 00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:46,938 "I know what I've been doing for the past month and that is 686 00:31:46,972 --> 00:31:49,140 investigating Anthony Porter's innocence." 687 00:31:49,174 --> 00:31:50,976 And the grand juror says, 688 00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:53,278 "Or guilt. He may be guilty?" 689 00:31:53,311 --> 00:31:57,348 So what he has essentially done in the grand jury 690 00:31:57,382 --> 00:31:59,017 there's no question about it. 691 00:31:59,050 --> 00:32:01,186 He has certainly proven that it was 692 00:32:01,219 --> 00:32:04,289 a meaningless investigation by the students. 693 00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:06,157 But more importantly 694 00:32:06,191 --> 00:32:08,326 he's re-convicted Porter. 695 00:32:11,562 --> 00:32:14,232 For the last 16 years he's waited on death row. 696 00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:15,500 Tonight, there's new information 697 00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:17,168 that suggests he shouldn't be there. 698 00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:18,770 Now, the man who helped put him there 699 00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:21,907 the state's only witness is changing his story. 700 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,208 One of the biggest fallacies 701 00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:24,675 of this entire saga 702 00:32:24,709 --> 00:32:27,779 is that Northwestern portrayed 703 00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:29,280 the situation to be that 704 00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:32,550 there was a single witness who had identified 705 00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:35,120 Anthony Porter who then recanted. 706 00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:37,488 There were 6 witnesses implicating Porter. 707 00:32:37,522 --> 00:32:39,958 Northwestern talked to one. 708 00:32:39,991 --> 00:32:41,026 Henry Williams was dead 709 00:32:41,059 --> 00:32:42,794 and Northwestern totally ignored 710 00:32:42,828 --> 00:32:45,263 the other four witnesses that were in the park that night. 711 00:32:45,296 --> 00:32:47,332 And it was based on that portrayal 712 00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:49,534 that they were ultimately able to undo 713 00:32:49,567 --> 00:32:51,602 Anthony Porter's conviction. 714 00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:53,304 They stay on people 715 00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:55,106 to try to finally get something 716 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,375 out of them that fits their theory 717 00:32:57,408 --> 00:32:59,710 of who they think did the case. 718 00:32:59,744 --> 00:33:02,180 Tom McCann, one of the Northwestern students 719 00:33:02,213 --> 00:33:04,382 was the first to contact Taylor. 720 00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:08,887 I got a phone call from a student named Tom McCann. 721 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,189 He wanted to talk about the Tony Porter case. 722 00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:13,925 I said, "Look, I'm through with this." 723 00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:15,493 "I don't want to be bothered." 724 00:33:15,526 --> 00:33:17,462 "Don't call here anymore." 725 00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:19,097 And hung up. 726 00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:20,498 McCann talked to William Taylor 727 00:33:20,531 --> 00:33:22,333 and he prepared a memo. 728 00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:24,469 In the memo, McCann says Taylor 729 00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:27,538 told him, "There was no doubt in his mind 730 00:33:27,572 --> 00:33:29,607 that this man was guilty." 731 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,445 "He will not be happy until Porter is finally executed." 732 00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:36,882 "And before hanging up he told McCann 733 00:33:36,915 --> 00:33:40,318 he didn't want to talk about the case anymore." 734 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:42,921 That's all Paul Ciolino needed to hear. 735 00:33:42,954 --> 00:33:45,290 Next thing I know 736 00:33:45,323 --> 00:33:47,592 Ciolino and McCann 737 00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:49,394 show up unannounced. 738 00:33:49,427 --> 00:33:53,264 They're telling me, "Well, you know this is all for the better good" 739 00:33:53,298 --> 00:33:55,800 which I had no idea what they're talking about. 740 00:33:55,833 --> 00:33:58,336 And then they're trying to tell me 741 00:33:58,369 --> 00:34:00,538 that in the end 742 00:34:00,571 --> 00:34:02,740 I was wrong. 743 00:34:02,773 --> 00:34:04,309 I don't know how that went down 744 00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:07,145 but they had basically convinced me that 745 00:34:07,178 --> 00:34:09,780 I didn't see him shoot anybody. 746 00:34:09,814 --> 00:34:12,918 But I did see him run out of the park. 747 00:34:12,951 --> 00:34:15,453 And I said, "Well, maybe I did make a mistake, 748 00:34:15,486 --> 00:34:17,155 but I don't think I did." 749 00:34:17,188 --> 00:34:20,959 But I said, "Okay, if this is the way they want to play this, 750 00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:23,028 I'll, yeah, I'll play the game." 751 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,030 You know, just to get them out of my hair. 752 00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:27,665 Because then the cycle of 753 00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:29,600 calling my job 754 00:34:29,634 --> 00:34:31,036 upsetting my life again. 755 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,203 I wanted it done. 756 00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:34,105 I wanted it over with. 757 00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:37,275 And then what, 20... almost 20 years later. 758 00:34:37,308 --> 00:34:38,809 Again? 759 00:34:38,843 --> 00:34:42,580 No by any means possible, here I'll sign this. 760 00:34:42,613 --> 00:34:44,382 And at that point 761 00:34:44,415 --> 00:34:49,387 Ciolino writes an affidavit a statement. 762 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,123 I did not see Anthony Porter shoot anyone. 763 00:34:52,157 --> 00:34:55,626 I'm telling Tom he's just seen something that's very, very rare. 764 00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:58,096 And that's the only surviving eyewitness 765 00:34:58,129 --> 00:34:59,897 in a murder case retracting his testimony. 766 00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:03,501 It was a big moment and it was a critical moment for Anthony Porter. 767 00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:06,171 The significance of this is that William Taylor 768 00:35:06,204 --> 00:35:09,740 is the state's star witness in the case and the only eyewitness in a case 769 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:12,410 where there is no confession and no physical evidence. 770 00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,546 So his recantation, the admission of his lie 771 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:19,084 indicates that there is now no evidence against Anthony Porter. 772 00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:20,518 So when you watch those clips 773 00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:22,220 you come away with a perception 774 00:35:22,253 --> 00:35:24,789 that the only witness against Anthony Porter 775 00:35:24,822 --> 00:35:27,625 has now recanted his testimony and there's no case against him. 776 00:35:27,658 --> 00:35:29,594 That couldn't have been further from the truth. 777 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:31,296 Then the eyewitness recanted. 778 00:35:31,329 --> 00:35:35,066 They call it recant and what they get him to say is 779 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,236 "I was in the park, I never saw Porter with a gun, 780 00:35:38,269 --> 00:35:40,305 I didn't see Porter fire the shot." 781 00:35:40,338 --> 00:35:43,074 And this is the journalism's professor 782 00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:44,909 of one of the top, if not the top 783 00:35:44,942 --> 00:35:47,045 journalism schools in the country. 784 00:35:47,078 --> 00:35:48,713 Does an affidavit 785 00:35:48,746 --> 00:35:50,115 that intentionally leaves out 786 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:51,949 the most important fact of all. 787 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:53,918 I saw Anthony Porter 788 00:35:53,951 --> 00:35:56,354 run past, down the bleachers stairs 789 00:35:56,387 --> 00:35:59,257 right past me out of the south gate. 790 00:35:59,290 --> 00:36:01,726 That was something that William Taylor 791 00:36:01,759 --> 00:36:03,894 told Northwestern 792 00:36:03,928 --> 00:36:07,232 before they obtained his affidavit 793 00:36:07,265 --> 00:36:09,667 and they just left it out of the affidavit. 794 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:11,936 "But that was not included in the affidavit 795 00:36:11,969 --> 00:36:15,340 where he saw Anthony Porter in the park that night, right?" 796 00:36:15,373 --> 00:36:16,507 "Right." 797 00:36:16,541 --> 00:36:19,910 They zeroed me out and spun me around. 798 00:36:19,944 --> 00:36:22,413 It's trying to make people think that's all the evidence 799 00:36:22,447 --> 00:36:23,948 there was against Anthony Porter 800 00:36:23,981 --> 00:36:27,252 was William Taylor and he recanted 801 00:36:27,285 --> 00:36:29,920 therefore, it equals Anthony Porter's innocence. 802 00:36:29,954 --> 00:36:32,190 That's a croc of BS. 803 00:36:32,223 --> 00:36:34,925 Anthony Porter, I still think in my heart 804 00:36:34,959 --> 00:36:36,561 is guilty. 805 00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:39,064 This is the question from state's attorney gainer. 806 00:36:39,097 --> 00:36:41,932 "But, Tom, what did you tell us your purpose was?" 807 00:36:41,966 --> 00:36:43,801 "What were you doing this for?" 808 00:36:43,834 --> 00:36:46,537 "To find the truth, but I'm a college student." 809 00:36:46,571 --> 00:36:48,906 "I mean, this took a long time." 810 00:36:48,939 --> 00:36:51,976 "Let's go with that, you're a college student, I understand that." 811 00:36:52,009 --> 00:36:55,146 "Who told you to quit when you got to the Taylor affidavit?" 812 00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:57,348 "No one, we only had a very short time, 813 00:36:57,382 --> 00:37:00,585 so we decided to look at the alternate suspect." 814 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,922 The trail that the students would follow 815 00:37:04,955 --> 00:37:07,825 began with the mother of one of the murder victims. 816 00:37:11,262 --> 00:37:14,065 Mrs. Green told police that Marilyn and Jerry 817 00:37:14,099 --> 00:37:17,602 left for the park that day with Inez and Alstory. 818 00:37:17,635 --> 00:37:19,137 Which everybody knew to be the case. 819 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:21,139 Inez and Marilyn were friends. 820 00:37:21,172 --> 00:37:22,873 They, including Alstory Simon 821 00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:24,875 were in the park with thousands of other people 822 00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:26,444 earlier in the day. 823 00:37:26,477 --> 00:37:28,213 According to Inez's son 824 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,815 Sonny Jackson, his mother and Alstory 825 00:37:30,848 --> 00:37:33,584 came home early around 7 o'clock in the evening. 826 00:37:34,552 --> 00:37:36,421 The murders didn't take place 827 00:37:36,454 --> 00:37:39,524 until after 1:00 in the morning. 828 00:37:39,557 --> 00:37:42,760 A few weeks after the murders, Simon and his family 829 00:37:42,793 --> 00:37:44,662 moved to another Chicago neighborhood 830 00:37:44,695 --> 00:37:47,132 because of gang attacks on their home. 831 00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:50,835 Months later, they moved to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 832 00:37:59,377 --> 00:38:00,711 And they seized 833 00:38:00,745 --> 00:38:02,447 on the name of a guy who's name 834 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,249 had surfaced at some point 835 00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:06,951 but with no evidence and concluded 836 00:38:06,984 --> 00:38:10,288 that they were almost certain he was the real killer. 837 00:38:10,321 --> 00:38:12,089 With Simon in their sights 838 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:14,759 David Protess and 2 female students 839 00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:18,829 drove from Chicago to Simon's home in Milwaukee. 840 00:38:18,863 --> 00:38:21,332 Protess sits in the car 841 00:38:21,366 --> 00:38:23,201 it's late at night. 842 00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:26,271 The 2 students knock on the front door. 843 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:28,473 Alstory Simon invites them in 844 00:38:28,506 --> 00:38:30,941 closes the door, says, "How can I help you?" 845 00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:33,711 They said that they were doing a... 846 00:38:33,744 --> 00:38:38,816 A story and writing a book on justice and unsolved murders. 847 00:38:38,849 --> 00:38:41,419 And that my name popped up. 848 00:38:41,452 --> 00:38:44,121 I asked them, "What do you mean my name popped up?" 849 00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:46,191 They asked me did Jerry Hillard 850 00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:48,626 and Marilyn Green ring a bell? 851 00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:50,228 I said, "Yeah, it ring a bell." 852 00:38:50,261 --> 00:38:52,563 So what's that got to do with me? 853 00:38:52,597 --> 00:38:55,200 I told them, you know, the truth 854 00:38:55,233 --> 00:38:58,169 that I didn't know nothing about their deaths. 855 00:38:58,203 --> 00:39:00,205 The interview only lasted for 856 00:39:00,238 --> 00:39:03,040 maybe like 5 or 10 minutes. 857 00:39:03,073 --> 00:39:05,643 Then, after I escorted them out 858 00:39:05,676 --> 00:39:08,779 Professor Protess got out of this SUV 859 00:39:08,813 --> 00:39:10,915 and walked over to me 860 00:39:10,948 --> 00:39:12,817 and then tells me 861 00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:16,020 uh, he want to thank me for talking to his students. 862 00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:19,357 And give me a card after introducing his-self. 863 00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:22,126 Uh, when the students walks across the street 864 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,663 Professor Protess, he tells me that 865 00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:29,767 a man is getting ready to die for something I did. 866 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,470 And I said, "Wha... what do you mean something I did?" 867 00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:34,605 "What are you talking about?" 868 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,841 And then he tells me, uh 869 00:39:36,874 --> 00:39:40,911 we know that you killed Jerry and Marilyn. 870 00:39:40,945 --> 00:39:42,713 I said, "Man, I ain't killed nobody, man." 871 00:39:42,747 --> 00:39:45,450 "Whoever telling you that stuff is sending you for a ride." 872 00:39:45,483 --> 00:39:49,887 "You get the hell away from me and... And don't come to my house no more." 873 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,188 And he left. 874 00:39:55,593 --> 00:39:58,796 In 1999, Northwestern, at the urging of Anthony Porter 875 00:39:58,829 --> 00:40:01,499 contacted Walter Jackson, Alstory Simon's nephew. 876 00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:05,002 Jackson signed an affidavit for Northwestern 877 00:40:05,035 --> 00:40:07,305 stating that Alstory Simon had told him 878 00:40:07,338 --> 00:40:11,175 that he had taken care of Jerry and Marilyn. 879 00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:12,777 It sounded pretty suspicious. 880 00:40:12,810 --> 00:40:15,980 Why would this be something he kept to himself for 17 years 881 00:40:16,013 --> 00:40:18,449 and he just reveals to students from Northwestern 882 00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:20,418 but that's what he said. 883 00:40:20,451 --> 00:40:22,953 6 years later Simon's lawyers talk to Walter Jackson 884 00:40:22,987 --> 00:40:25,690 and he told them a much different story. 885 00:40:25,723 --> 00:40:28,893 And what we learned was that Anthony Porter 886 00:40:28,926 --> 00:40:32,162 had set this whole thing up from prison. 887 00:40:32,196 --> 00:40:33,998 Anthony Porter and Walter Jackson 888 00:40:34,031 --> 00:40:36,567 were incarcerated together. 889 00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:39,804 Anthony Porter had saved Walter Jackson from an attack. 890 00:41:14,705 --> 00:41:16,441 He approached Walter Jackson 891 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:19,143 and he said, "Hey, can you help me out with my case?" 892 00:41:19,176 --> 00:41:21,912 "We're trying to pin this on Alstory Simon 893 00:41:21,946 --> 00:41:25,249 and you can help with that and in return 894 00:41:25,282 --> 00:41:27,818 this Northwestern professor that I'm working with 895 00:41:27,852 --> 00:41:30,455 can help get you out of prison." 896 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:34,525 "And we need your Aunt Inez to help us with this too." 897 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,126 Walter Jackson admitted 898 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,064 that he lied about Simon's involvement in the murders. 899 00:41:40,097 --> 00:41:43,167 In late 1998, Jackson alleged 900 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,503 that David Protess contacted him 901 00:41:45,536 --> 00:41:48,506 and told him that if he helped free Anthony Porter 902 00:41:48,539 --> 00:41:50,240 he would work to get him out of jail. 903 00:41:50,274 --> 00:41:52,977 And that there would be money waiting for him 904 00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:54,679 when he got out. 905 00:41:54,712 --> 00:41:56,814 So Walter Jackson agrees to do that. 906 00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,049 He calls his Aunt Inez. 907 00:41:59,083 --> 00:42:01,386 Alstory Simon's ex-wife, who 908 00:42:01,419 --> 00:42:04,321 they had had a horrible relationship 909 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:06,891 and she was very bitter at him because of that. 910 00:42:06,924 --> 00:42:09,794 And Walter tells Inez that in return 911 00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:13,931 for her helping pin the murders on Alstory Simon 912 00:42:13,964 --> 00:42:16,934 David Protess is not just gonna get Walter out of prison 913 00:42:16,967 --> 00:42:19,770 he's gonna get Inez's son 914 00:42:19,804 --> 00:42:22,640 Sonny out of prison as well. 915 00:42:22,673 --> 00:42:24,341 He said, "What do you expect me to do?" 916 00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:25,543 And these guys are saying 917 00:42:25,576 --> 00:42:27,244 they'll help me get out of prison. 918 00:42:27,277 --> 00:42:29,146 I'll say whatever they want me to say. 919 00:42:29,179 --> 00:42:31,315 So I made up all that stuff about Al. 920 00:42:31,348 --> 00:42:33,618 Confessing to us and telling us that 921 00:42:33,651 --> 00:42:36,020 and, uh, so it was all a story. 922 00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:39,824 So it was actually hatched by Anthony Porter from prison. 923 00:42:39,857 --> 00:42:41,225 Then, we tracked down 924 00:42:41,258 --> 00:42:44,361 the ex-wife of the person we thought was the real killer. 925 00:42:44,395 --> 00:42:47,565 And she told us on video, that she had been 926 00:42:47,598 --> 00:42:49,767 there when her husband committed the crime. 927 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,101 David Protess and his students 928 00:42:51,135 --> 00:42:52,837 took Inez Jackson to a restaurant. 929 00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:55,440 They bought her groceries and a space heater. 930 00:42:55,473 --> 00:42:57,374 Later they went to Shawn Armbrust's house 931 00:42:57,408 --> 00:43:00,044 in suburban Milwaukee where Inez Jackson 932 00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:02,212 gave a video taped statement 933 00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:05,516 stating that Alstory Simon killed Jerry and Marilyn. 934 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:14,659 And she gives, as a reason that 935 00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:17,027 Jerry Hillard was a fellow gang member. 936 00:43:17,061 --> 00:43:19,997 He was holding back on drug money. 937 00:43:24,735 --> 00:43:27,905 Then, a fight ensued. Then, he pulled out a gun. 938 00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:29,674 Shot Hillard intentionally 939 00:43:29,707 --> 00:43:32,209 and shot Marilyn Green accidentally. 940 00:43:36,714 --> 00:43:37,848 You heard at least 2, right? 941 00:43:37,882 --> 00:43:39,249 - Hmm. - Okay. 942 00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:43,588 There's 4 people at that pool that night. 943 00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:46,591 3 males, 1 female. 944 00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:50,461 Not one single person said 945 00:43:50,495 --> 00:43:52,930 2 males, 2 females. 946 00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:54,865 Which would have been Northwestern's theory that 947 00:43:54,899 --> 00:43:57,167 Simon was there with Inez Jackson 948 00:43:57,201 --> 00:43:58,769 at the time of the shooting. 949 00:43:58,803 --> 00:44:00,705 There was only one female involved here 950 00:44:00,738 --> 00:44:02,473 and that was the victim. 951 00:44:02,507 --> 00:44:05,442 No one ever mentions me the name of Alstory Simon. 952 00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:17,588 We went to Milwaukee 953 00:44:17,622 --> 00:44:20,324 to contact Inez Jackson. 954 00:44:20,357 --> 00:44:22,760 We had a lot of tough questions for her. 955 00:44:22,793 --> 00:44:25,129 She didn't know what time the murders occurred. 956 00:44:30,768 --> 00:44:32,603 And that them shooting didn't take place till 957 00:44:32,637 --> 00:44:34,639 between 1:00 and 2:00 in the morning. 958 00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:39,877 That there were only 2 shots fired uh, one at... at each person. 959 00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:43,313 Totally inconsistent with what's in the police reports 960 00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:45,916 that the victims were shot 5 times. 961 00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:47,752 You heard 2 shots, right? 962 00:44:47,785 --> 00:44:48,919 3. 963 00:44:48,953 --> 00:44:51,455 - You heard 3 shots? - Mayb... 964 00:44:51,488 --> 00:44:54,158 It happened so fast. I heard bang, bang, bang. 965 00:44:54,191 --> 00:44:56,326 It might been another bang, It would... 966 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,762 Well, how many shots did you hear? 967 00:44:57,795 --> 00:45:00,330 Really, maybe 3, maybe 4, I don't know. 968 00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:05,603 You did not say in that videotape statement 969 00:45:05,636 --> 00:45:08,138 that you heard 3 or 4 shots, did you? 970 00:45:08,172 --> 00:45:10,675 I said I heard 971 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:14,545 2 shots maybe 3. He wrote down 2. 972 00:45:14,579 --> 00:45:17,081 But in the videotape statement, you didn't say... 973 00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:18,949 I said I heard some shots. 974 00:45:18,983 --> 00:45:21,518 You didn't say you heard 3 or 4 shots, did you? 975 00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:23,420 You said you heard 2 shots. 976 00:45:23,453 --> 00:45:24,889 I don't remember. 977 00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:34,498 And she was gonna stick with that story until 978 00:45:34,531 --> 00:45:36,867 she found out that she was gonna die. 979 00:45:40,437 --> 00:45:43,507 In 2005, Inez Jackson admitted 980 00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:46,510 the whole Simon story was a lie. 981 00:45:46,543 --> 00:45:49,780 And for at least half an hour on that videotape 982 00:45:49,814 --> 00:45:53,383 time and again she asserts 2 things. 983 00:45:53,417 --> 00:45:56,086 1, she lied, and Alstory Simon 984 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,122 was not the trigger man that night. 985 00:46:04,795 --> 00:46:06,363 The only reason why 986 00:46:06,396 --> 00:46:10,701 she gave that information was because she was mad at me 987 00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:12,436 for walking out of the marriage 988 00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:14,571 and she saw a chance to get back. 989 00:46:20,911 --> 00:46:23,914 And the promises they had made about her son 990 00:46:23,948 --> 00:46:26,483 and to help her nephew get out of jail. 991 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:48,405 She had been promised all kinds of favors from Protess. 992 00:46:48,438 --> 00:46:51,976 Including money in exchange for her testimony. 993 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,259 This wasn't the first time a witness had made allegations 994 00:47:09,293 --> 00:47:11,461 about money from movie and book deals. 995 00:47:11,495 --> 00:47:13,163 Charles McCraney 996 00:47:13,197 --> 00:47:16,033 the star witness in the Four Heights Four case had made 997 00:47:16,066 --> 00:47:19,636 similar allegations against David Protess in that case. 998 00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:22,172 That might have been hard to believe if Protess hadn't 999 00:47:22,206 --> 00:47:24,742 put these promises in writing. 1000 00:47:24,775 --> 00:47:26,711 It reads as follows. 1001 00:47:26,744 --> 00:47:31,081 "Stopped by to see you about something important." 1002 00:47:31,115 --> 00:47:36,787 "Have information for you that should be helpful financially." 1003 00:47:36,821 --> 00:47:39,056 Financially is underlined. 1004 00:47:39,089 --> 00:47:40,557 Then... 1005 00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:43,894 On Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois 1006 00:47:43,928 --> 00:47:47,932 Medill School of Journalism stationery 1007 00:47:47,965 --> 00:47:50,167 he writes another letter. 1008 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,470 "Dear Charlie," and I'm simply reading a portion of this. 1009 00:47:53,503 --> 00:47:57,742 "I could go on and on, but I think you get the point." 1010 00:47:57,775 --> 00:48:01,678 "I easily can write this book based on your various statements 1011 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:04,314 which frankly would make you look bad 1012 00:48:04,348 --> 00:48:07,718 or you could be courageous by telling your real story 1013 00:48:07,752 --> 00:48:10,254 about what happened in this case." 1014 00:48:10,287 --> 00:48:12,857 "You don't have much longer to wait." 1015 00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:15,760 "I'm moving ahead with my investigation 1016 00:48:15,793 --> 00:48:19,229 and book, and the movie is sure to follow." 1017 00:48:20,664 --> 00:48:23,868 Protess wrote a book called "Gone In The Night", 1018 00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,670 and a CBS movie did follow. 1019 00:48:26,703 --> 00:48:28,839 It premiered a month before Protess 1020 00:48:28,873 --> 00:48:30,741 wrote the McCraney letters. 1021 00:48:32,542 --> 00:48:33,911 Mrs. Nathan? 1022 00:48:33,944 --> 00:48:35,579 - Yes. - Hi, I'm David Protess. 1023 00:48:35,612 --> 00:48:37,047 I sent you a letter. 1024 00:48:37,081 --> 00:48:38,749 Charles McCraney told private investigators 1025 00:48:38,783 --> 00:48:40,184 that David Protess 1026 00:48:40,217 --> 00:48:44,054 promised him $250,000 from movie and book deals. 1027 00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,991 And the way Protess describes that encounter 1028 00:48:47,024 --> 00:48:49,994 in his own book is to say that 1029 00:48:50,027 --> 00:48:52,062 Protess introduced Ciolino 1030 00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:55,532 to the witness Charles McCraney as Jerry Bruckheimer 1031 00:48:55,565 --> 00:49:00,404 a Hollywood producer, and then Ciolino told McCraney 1032 00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:02,439 "If you're willing to tell your story 1033 00:49:02,472 --> 00:49:04,141 it could be worth something." 1034 00:49:04,174 --> 00:49:07,244 And McCraney said, "How about start paying for my time?" 1035 00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,114 And Ciolino then pulled out a gold money clip 1036 00:49:10,147 --> 00:49:11,916 peeled off 4 crisp 20s 1037 00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:13,951 and tossed them on the table. 1038 00:49:13,984 --> 00:49:17,154 But you did, for instance, pay Charles McCraney 1039 00:49:17,187 --> 00:49:19,689 or Mr. Ciolino did, 80 or $100 to meet with him 1040 00:49:19,723 --> 00:49:21,758 at a Kentucky Fried Chicken, right? 1041 00:49:23,894 --> 00:49:26,997 As to the question pertaining to me 1042 00:49:27,031 --> 00:49:29,099 the answer is no, I did not. 1043 00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:31,936 Mr. Ciolino paid him for his time, right? 1044 00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:34,171 Shocked the shit out of me when it happened. 1045 00:49:34,204 --> 00:49:36,907 But he's part of your team, isn't he? 1046 00:49:36,941 --> 00:49:39,209 Right, but I don't control Paul Ciolino 1047 00:49:39,243 --> 00:49:41,045 the same way he doesn't control me. 1048 00:49:41,078 --> 00:49:43,113 Right, but if you were there, you were there with him, right? 1049 00:49:43,147 --> 00:49:44,448 Objection. 1050 00:49:44,481 --> 00:49:46,550 So that seems to me to be part of their MO. 1051 00:49:46,583 --> 00:49:49,820 They go to impoverished people who don't have a lot of money 1052 00:49:49,854 --> 00:49:51,621 and make them promises 1053 00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:53,924 and basically get them to recant. 1054 00:50:13,777 --> 00:50:17,481 After she, uh, did that declaration, um 1055 00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:20,784 a month or 2 months later, she died. 1056 00:50:21,818 --> 00:50:23,520 There is no evidence today 1057 00:50:23,553 --> 00:50:26,223 because everybody's recanted in this case. 1058 00:50:26,256 --> 00:50:28,092 The only evidence holding 1059 00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:29,860 Alstory Simon in prison 1060 00:50:29,894 --> 00:50:31,061 was his confession. 1061 00:50:31,095 --> 00:50:33,197 And a week later, her husband confessed 1062 00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:36,733 to private investigator Paul Ciolino on video. 1063 00:50:45,775 --> 00:50:47,211 There was a time when 1064 00:50:47,244 --> 00:50:48,845 people believed that 1065 00:50:48,879 --> 00:50:50,747 innocent people did not confess to crimes. 1066 00:50:50,780 --> 00:50:52,582 And I was among those people. 1067 00:50:52,616 --> 00:50:55,986 Everybody in our field now knows that that's not the case. 1068 00:50:56,020 --> 00:51:00,824 The original "Innocence Project" was formed in New York in 1992. 1069 00:51:00,857 --> 00:51:06,030 Its website lists the telltale signs of a false confession. 1070 00:51:06,063 --> 00:51:08,732 If you take those factors and apply them to this case 1071 00:51:08,765 --> 00:51:10,600 they're almost all present. 1072 00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:14,338 February '99 1073 00:51:14,371 --> 00:51:17,474 I had been sitting up about 3 days and nights smoking 1074 00:51:17,507 --> 00:51:21,045 rock cocaine and, um, the doorbell rang. 1075 00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:22,312 It kept ringing and ringing 1076 00:51:22,346 --> 00:51:24,048 you know, like somebody was in distress. 1077 00:51:25,115 --> 00:51:26,483 Alstory Simon was approached 1078 00:51:26,516 --> 00:51:29,753 at 6:30 in the morning after he had spent the night 1079 00:51:29,786 --> 00:51:33,390 doing cocaine, so he was clearly intoxicated. 1080 00:51:33,423 --> 00:51:35,492 When I opened the door 1081 00:51:35,525 --> 00:51:37,527 here's Paul Ciolino 1082 00:51:37,561 --> 00:51:39,329 and Arnold Reed. 1083 00:51:39,363 --> 00:51:41,331 They was armed with weapons 1084 00:51:41,365 --> 00:51:45,835 and had a video camera and a tripod and badges. 1085 00:51:45,869 --> 00:51:49,139 They claimed to be police investigators from Chicago 1086 00:51:49,173 --> 00:51:51,875 investigating a 1982 homicide. 1087 00:51:51,908 --> 00:51:54,644 And bogarted their way on into the house. 1088 00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:57,181 The investigator in this case, as he was 1089 00:51:57,214 --> 00:51:59,183 in the Four Nights Four case 1090 00:51:59,216 --> 00:52:02,086 was Paul Ciolino, a private investigator 1091 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:05,589 who works hand in glove with Professor Protess. 1092 00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:08,692 And he just pushed me on, you know, back up in the house. 1093 00:52:08,725 --> 00:52:11,661 Like police do when they coming to make an arrest. 1094 00:52:11,695 --> 00:52:15,099 They pushed me and shoved me into a corner part 1095 00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:17,167 of where the sofa was. 1096 00:52:17,201 --> 00:52:19,003 He stood over me 1097 00:52:19,036 --> 00:52:22,872 and Arnold Reed, he started going from room to room. 1098 00:52:22,906 --> 00:52:25,109 I'm asking him, "What are you walking all through my house for?" 1099 00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:27,611 "Wh... what are you looking for?" 1100 00:52:27,644 --> 00:52:31,581 So, Ciolino, he tells me, uh 1101 00:52:31,615 --> 00:52:33,517 "We know you did these murders." 1102 00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:35,485 "You're going down for these murders." 1103 00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,921 "And there's nothing you're gonna be able to do about it." 1104 00:52:37,954 --> 00:52:40,757 I'm telling them, "Man, I don't know nothing about no murders, man." 1105 00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:42,392 "What are you talking about?" 1106 00:52:42,426 --> 00:52:44,461 I said, "Man, just get out of my house, man." 1107 00:52:44,494 --> 00:52:46,296 He said, "No, we're not going anywhere." 1108 00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:48,465 "You better look at the evidence." 1109 00:52:48,498 --> 00:52:50,867 "And I'm gonna show you this is why we think you did it." 1110 00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:55,372 So he showed me affidavits of some people. 1111 00:52:55,405 --> 00:52:57,974 He showed Alstory Simon the statement that Walter Jackson 1112 00:52:58,008 --> 00:53:00,777 had made claiming that Alstory Simon had admitted 1113 00:53:00,810 --> 00:53:03,747 the crime to him 17 years earlier. 1114 00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:06,850 Alstory Simon said, "That's ridiculous. Get out of my house." 1115 00:53:06,883 --> 00:53:10,187 Ciolino then pulled out a video camera. 1116 00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:12,122 He popped this tape in. 1117 00:53:12,156 --> 00:53:14,858 Here's this Afro-American male person 1118 00:53:14,891 --> 00:53:17,361 up there on this tape claiming that 1119 00:53:17,394 --> 00:53:20,797 he was at Washington Park and actually saw me shoot 1120 00:53:20,830 --> 00:53:23,667 and kill Marilyn Green and Jerry Hillard. 1121 00:53:24,701 --> 00:53:27,904 And then, uh... 1122 00:53:27,937 --> 00:53:30,207 Alstory Simon did not know 1123 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,378 that this African-American making these allegations 1124 00:53:34,411 --> 00:53:38,348 on this videotape was an actor 1125 00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:40,217 hired by Ciolino 1126 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,719 and scripted by Ciolino. 1127 00:53:42,752 --> 00:53:44,621 He tells me, uh, 1128 00:53:44,654 --> 00:53:46,923 "I want you to see something." 1129 00:53:46,956 --> 00:53:49,093 He goes to the TV 1130 00:53:49,126 --> 00:53:52,529 that I had on, and he turns to a channel. 1131 00:53:52,562 --> 00:53:57,401 And there was this professor, accusing me of murder. 1132 00:53:59,503 --> 00:54:05,742 It showed my ex-wife Inez accusing me of murder 1133 00:54:05,775 --> 00:54:08,712 and being with me and supposed to observed me 1134 00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:10,680 me shooting and killing these people. 1135 00:54:19,489 --> 00:54:20,957 I couldn't believe it. 1136 00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:23,293 At a certain point your story came on 1137 00:54:23,327 --> 00:54:25,129 and he watched, and it confirmed everything 1138 00:54:25,162 --> 00:54:27,897 I had been telling him earlier in our conversation. 1139 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:31,000 And it just seemed at that moment, he gave up. 1140 00:54:31,034 --> 00:54:32,636 I knew she had, uh, 1141 00:54:32,669 --> 00:54:36,706 turned bad, but... just completely. 1142 00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:40,477 I became fearful of my life though. 1143 00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:45,249 Then after, he says, uh, "Look, Alstory, um, 1144 00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:49,553 we got all the evidence we need to put you on death row." 1145 00:54:50,454 --> 00:54:52,322 "I'm gonna level with you." 1146 00:54:52,356 --> 00:54:55,925 "We're not police officers." 1147 00:54:55,959 --> 00:54:57,761 I said, "What?" 1148 00:54:57,794 --> 00:54:59,663 He said, "No, we're not police officers." 1149 00:54:59,696 --> 00:55:03,600 We're investigators working for the same person 1150 00:55:03,633 --> 00:55:07,137 that you just seen on the screen, Professor Protess." 1151 00:55:07,171 --> 00:55:09,839 So I said, "Well, get the hell out of my house." 1152 00:55:10,907 --> 00:55:12,476 They refused to leave. 1153 00:55:13,877 --> 00:55:18,515 And he said, "Look, all we wanna do is stop this execution." 1154 00:55:18,548 --> 00:55:21,651 And then to create the urgency they told him that 1155 00:55:21,685 --> 00:55:24,621 you only have a half hour to help yourself. 1156 00:55:24,654 --> 00:55:27,391 If you don't say that you did this crime in self-defense 1157 00:55:27,424 --> 00:55:29,759 in the next half hour, the Chicago police 1158 00:55:29,793 --> 00:55:31,928 are gonna walk in here, arrest you 1159 00:55:31,961 --> 00:55:34,030 take you downtown, and there's nothing anybody 1160 00:55:34,063 --> 00:55:37,000 can do to help you. This is your only opportunity. 1161 00:55:37,033 --> 00:55:38,768 Then he tells me, uh, 1162 00:55:38,802 --> 00:55:41,738 if you... if I cooperate with him 1163 00:55:41,771 --> 00:55:45,509 he'll make sure that it was a self-defense murder. 1164 00:55:46,876 --> 00:55:51,848 And when he said that, he made me feel like he was 1165 00:55:51,881 --> 00:55:54,218 trying to give me a way out. 1166 00:55:54,251 --> 00:55:56,720 And he told me that, um, 1167 00:55:56,753 --> 00:56:00,357 I would be paid financially well off. 1168 00:56:00,390 --> 00:56:05,028 That I'd never have to work again if I cooperated with them. 1169 00:56:05,061 --> 00:56:09,333 And I asked him, I said, "Man, are you fucking serious?" 1170 00:56:09,366 --> 00:56:11,801 You know. Excuse my language. Oh. 1171 00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:16,005 And he said, "Look, you can play hardball all you want. 1172 00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,442 "But I'm telling you you're going to death row 1173 00:56:18,475 --> 00:56:20,710 and there's nothing you can do about it." 1174 00:56:20,744 --> 00:56:23,713 But I tell him that I didn't murder anybody. 1175 00:56:23,747 --> 00:56:25,815 He puts his hand on his gun, you know, 1176 00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:27,584 and started easing it up. 1177 00:56:27,617 --> 00:56:29,453 Like this, and tells me that, 1178 00:56:29,486 --> 00:56:31,388 "Hey, we can do this the easy way 1179 00:56:31,421 --> 00:56:33,890 or we can do this the hard way." 1180 00:56:33,923 --> 00:56:38,962 You know, being souped up on that drugs and alcohol... 1181 00:56:38,995 --> 00:56:40,664 And I was paranoid. 1182 00:56:40,697 --> 00:56:44,434 And I'm thinking, when he said the easy way or the hard way 1183 00:56:44,468 --> 00:56:47,437 that he's gonna shoot me in my head and make it look like 1184 00:56:47,471 --> 00:56:51,140 that he come to question a... a murder suspect 1185 00:56:51,174 --> 00:56:54,844 and I maybe open fire on them, and he had to kill me, you know, 1186 00:56:54,878 --> 00:56:58,548 and all this kind of stuff was going through my head. 1187 00:56:58,582 --> 00:57:01,117 So again, I tell him to get out of my house. 1188 00:57:01,150 --> 00:57:02,919 So I tried to get up 1189 00:57:02,952 --> 00:57:04,888 to get to the phone 1190 00:57:04,921 --> 00:57:07,991 to call Milwaukee authorities. 1191 00:57:08,024 --> 00:57:11,995 Arnold Reed, he blocked me from using the phone. 1192 00:57:12,028 --> 00:57:14,564 You know, he put his hand on the phone 1193 00:57:14,598 --> 00:57:17,401 and pulled his gun out, you know, literally. 1194 00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:20,003 So I sat back down. 1195 00:57:20,036 --> 00:57:23,740 Then, Ciolino, he tells me 1196 00:57:23,773 --> 00:57:28,578 if you cooperate with us, we guarantee you that 1197 00:57:28,612 --> 00:57:31,948 you will come out of this with millions of dollars. 1198 00:57:31,981 --> 00:57:34,918 That the money will come from movies and book deals 1199 00:57:34,951 --> 00:57:36,853 and all of this kind of stuff. 1200 00:57:36,886 --> 00:57:40,424 That Professor Protess will pull the necessary strings 1201 00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:42,692 to get you released in a couple of years. 1202 00:57:42,726 --> 00:57:44,961 You only have to do a few years. 1203 00:57:44,994 --> 00:57:47,864 All we want is to stop this execution. 1204 00:57:47,897 --> 00:57:50,734 Now, I'm, uh, scared to death 1205 00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:54,170 after what I done saw on this TV screen. 1206 00:57:54,203 --> 00:57:57,574 I wanted the man out of my house so bad 1207 00:57:57,607 --> 00:58:00,744 and I asked him, I said, "Well, what do you want me to do?" 1208 00:58:00,777 --> 00:58:04,080 So he picked up the papers that he showed me. 1209 00:58:04,113 --> 00:58:07,116 He started writing stuff on a piece of paper 1210 00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:09,753 and underlining different stuff and then told me 1211 00:58:09,786 --> 00:58:12,021 I want you to say this on camera. 1212 00:58:12,055 --> 00:58:15,492 Ciolino basically used Walter Jackson's affidavit 1213 00:58:15,525 --> 00:58:18,462 as a template for Alstory Simon's confession. 1214 00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:21,331 So we rehearsed it. 1215 00:58:21,365 --> 00:58:24,334 Oh, man, for a long time. 1216 00:58:24,368 --> 00:58:26,936 Alright, that's 'cause that's how out of it I was. 1217 00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:29,673 And then, uh, when he felt that I had it 1218 00:58:29,706 --> 00:58:32,542 down pack and sound convincing enough 1219 00:58:32,576 --> 00:58:34,143 we put it on camera. 1220 00:59:40,243 --> 00:59:43,079 His demeanor, I thought, was very, uh, 1221 00:59:43,112 --> 00:59:47,183 telling in that he was looking at his shoes most of the time. 1222 00:59:47,216 --> 00:59:49,919 And, uh, he looked like he was prepped. 1223 00:59:49,953 --> 00:59:52,589 And while I was talking, I had the paper, you know 1224 00:59:52,622 --> 00:59:55,091 right next to me on the cocktail table. 1225 00:59:55,124 --> 00:59:57,494 So if I forget something, you know 1226 00:59:57,527 --> 00:59:58,695 I could look at it, you know 1227 00:59:58,728 --> 01:00:00,363 and say what he wanted me to say. 1228 01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:19,849 And then he told me that the only person who would see 1229 01:00:19,883 --> 01:00:22,018 that would be the prosecution. 1230 01:00:22,051 --> 01:00:24,621 This tape of Alstory Simon's confession 1231 01:00:24,654 --> 01:00:27,591 didn't go straight to the prosecutors, it went to CBS. 1232 01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:29,258 It was aired on television. 1233 01:00:29,292 --> 01:00:32,796 Newscasters were calling for Anthony Porter's release 1234 01:00:32,829 --> 01:00:37,066 without there being any scrutiny of the confession. 1235 01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:39,135 Thomas Epach, then the head 1236 01:00:39,168 --> 01:00:42,171 of the Cook County State's Attorney's criminal division 1237 01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:46,175 claims Simon's prosecution has haunted him for years. 1238 01:00:46,209 --> 01:00:49,278 In 2013, he swore an affidavit 1239 01:00:49,312 --> 01:00:51,815 sharing some of the inside story. 1240 01:00:51,848 --> 01:00:53,416 "Less than 2 days after the video 1241 01:00:53,449 --> 01:00:56,720 "of the alleged confession was broadcast by the media 1242 01:00:56,753 --> 01:00:58,287 "State's Attorney, Richard Devine 1243 01:00:58,321 --> 01:01:01,525 "made the decision to release Mr. Porter from custody. 1244 01:01:01,558 --> 01:01:03,326 "At the time this decision was made 1245 01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:05,028 "no one from the state's attorney's office 1246 01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:08,464 "had received a copy of the original video 1247 01:01:08,498 --> 01:01:12,235 which purported to contain the confession of Alstory Simon." 1248 01:01:12,268 --> 01:01:14,938 The state released Porter without even having 1249 01:01:14,971 --> 01:01:17,340 the confession tape in their possession. 1250 01:01:17,373 --> 01:01:20,443 They basically just swung the doors open for Anthony Porter. 1251 01:01:20,476 --> 01:01:22,546 With no scrutiny at all. 1252 01:01:22,579 --> 01:01:24,914 "In my years of experience as a prosecutor 1253 01:01:24,948 --> 01:01:28,652 "it is my opinion that it was highly unusual 1254 01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:32,088 "if not unprecedented, to make a decision to release 1255 01:01:32,121 --> 01:01:34,357 "an individual convicted of murder 1256 01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:37,360 "based upon the broadcast of a video 1257 01:01:37,393 --> 01:01:39,896 "the reliability and authenticity 1258 01:01:39,929 --> 01:01:42,766 "of which had not been thoroughly investigated 1259 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,333 and established." 1260 01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:47,270 And when Ciolino was asked by the, uh, 1261 01:01:47,303 --> 01:01:50,506 Chicago media in 2006 1262 01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:53,543 to address Alstory Simon's allegations 1263 01:01:53,577 --> 01:01:55,712 this is what Ciolino's response was. 1264 01:01:55,745 --> 01:01:57,146 I don't have any rules. 1265 01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:59,716 The Supreme Court says I can lie, cheat, do anything I can 1266 01:01:59,749 --> 01:02:02,351 to get them to say whatever I got to get them to say. 1267 01:02:02,385 --> 01:02:04,453 The Chicago Police Department is masters at it. 1268 01:02:04,487 --> 01:02:06,189 So is every other police department. 1269 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:09,325 And at one point, in a Chicago magazine article 1270 01:02:09,358 --> 01:02:11,194 he acknowledges that he 1271 01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:16,499 quote, bull-rushed this client into confessing. 1272 01:02:16,532 --> 01:02:21,404 "We just bull-rushed him and mentally he couldn't recover." 1273 01:02:21,437 --> 01:02:23,873 Ciolino acknowledges that he used an actor. 1274 01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:25,842 He acknowledges that he scripted the actor. 1275 01:02:25,875 --> 01:02:30,013 But he denies flatly that he ever promised favors 1276 01:02:30,046 --> 01:02:31,514 or that he ever threatened him. 1277 01:02:31,547 --> 01:02:34,550 The turning point was when Alstory Simon was confronted 1278 01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:36,452 with massive evidence of his guilt. 1279 01:02:36,485 --> 01:02:39,322 Uh, he was shown the affidavits and the videotapes 1280 01:02:39,355 --> 01:02:41,257 uh, that proved that he was guilty. 1281 01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:43,392 I asked David Protess about this 1282 01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:47,130 fake videotape when I took his deposition in another case. 1283 01:02:47,163 --> 01:02:50,734 It is a criticism of Paul Ciolino's 1284 01:02:50,767 --> 01:02:52,936 uh, method of using, I believe 1285 01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:56,806 a fake videotape in an interview that he conducted. 1286 01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,908 I would never do that. 1287 01:02:58,942 --> 01:03:00,509 - You didn't know he was gonna do that? - Nope. 1288 01:03:00,543 --> 01:03:04,013 In David Protess' grand jury testimony, he testified 1289 01:03:04,047 --> 01:03:06,683 "I learned a day or two before Mr. Ciolino interviewed 1290 01:03:06,716 --> 01:03:08,818 "Alstory Simon that he was thinking 1291 01:03:08,852 --> 01:03:10,954 about using this technique." 1292 01:03:10,987 --> 01:03:13,322 - You didn't know he was gonna do that? - Nope. 1293 01:03:13,356 --> 01:03:17,627 Northwestern David Protess would be the first people 1294 01:03:17,661 --> 01:03:22,031 screaming about the tactics of the Chicago Police Department 1295 01:03:22,065 --> 01:03:24,500 in coercing confessions out of people. 1296 01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:28,537 But why in the world, when that behavior is wrong 1297 01:03:28,571 --> 01:03:32,408 would Ciolino say he can do whatever he wants 1298 01:03:32,441 --> 01:03:34,143 to get a confession out of somebody 1299 01:03:34,177 --> 01:03:37,546 and to get them to say what he wants them to say. 1300 01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:41,217 And he has no rules like police officers do. 1301 01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:43,787 When I heard what Alstory Simon said there was no doubt 1302 01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:46,489 in my mind that Alstory was telling the truth 1303 01:03:46,522 --> 01:03:48,792 because I had experienced 1304 01:03:48,825 --> 01:03:52,495 the same thing first-hand with Paul Ciolino. 1305 01:03:52,528 --> 01:03:54,330 Michael Madonia was involved in litigation 1306 01:03:54,363 --> 01:03:56,632 with one of Paul Ciolino's clients. 1307 01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:57,934 Paul Ciolino paid a visit 1308 01:03:57,967 --> 01:04:00,169 to Mr. Madonia at his home. 1309 01:04:00,203 --> 01:04:02,571 He started pounding on the door of my house 1310 01:04:02,605 --> 01:04:04,941 and then after that he was gonna push his way in. 1311 01:04:04,974 --> 01:04:08,444 I had to put my arm up to stop him from entering my home. 1312 01:04:08,477 --> 01:04:11,314 He said that if I continued to collect evidence 1313 01:04:11,347 --> 01:04:13,316 that there would be a good likelihood 1314 01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:16,352 that I would end up with a bullet in my head. 1315 01:04:16,385 --> 01:04:20,724 Sometimes you can be placed in a situation 1316 01:04:20,757 --> 01:04:24,794 and do something that you really don't wanna do. 1317 01:04:24,828 --> 01:04:29,232 But compelled to do it for the sake of saving your own life. 1318 01:04:30,566 --> 01:04:32,435 One expert outlines the factors 1319 01:04:32,468 --> 01:04:34,971 that lead to false confessions. 1320 01:04:35,004 --> 01:04:37,573 "What happened prior to the confession?" 1321 01:04:37,606 --> 01:04:39,508 "Are there Miranda issues?" 1322 01:04:39,542 --> 01:04:42,278 "Was the client clean and sober?" 1323 01:04:42,311 --> 01:04:44,213 "Was anybody other than sworn 1324 01:04:44,247 --> 01:04:47,483 law enforcement personnel involved?" 1325 01:04:47,516 --> 01:04:49,485 "Are there any issues of inappropriate 1326 01:04:49,518 --> 01:04:51,220 physical misconduct?" 1327 01:04:51,254 --> 01:04:55,258 That expert is none other than Paul Ciolino. 1328 01:04:55,291 --> 01:04:58,027 I strongly believed and felt 1329 01:04:58,061 --> 01:04:59,695 that I wouldn't have had a chance 1330 01:04:59,729 --> 01:05:03,066 to sit on death row, no 5 years. 1331 01:05:03,099 --> 01:05:05,101 Not even no 5 months. 1332 01:05:05,134 --> 01:05:07,837 I believe they would've killed me immediately. 1333 01:05:07,871 --> 01:05:09,873 And then the key is he told them 1334 01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:12,008 "And I'll get you a lawyer. We'll take care of that." 1335 01:05:12,041 --> 01:05:15,578 Because the only way this was gonna work is if they made sure 1336 01:05:15,611 --> 01:05:17,446 that Simon had a lawyer who wasn't 1337 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,982 really gonna represent him. 1338 01:05:23,853 --> 01:05:27,156 He also told me that they was gonna furnish me 1339 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:31,560 with the best defense attorney in the city of Chicago. 1340 01:05:31,594 --> 01:05:35,765 He went to my phone, he made a call. 1341 01:05:35,799 --> 01:05:39,102 He told me that Attorney Jack Rimland 1342 01:05:39,135 --> 01:05:40,970 would be representing me. 1343 01:05:41,004 --> 01:05:43,940 Then, they packed up and left. 1344 01:05:43,973 --> 01:05:47,576 Attorney Rimland came to my house, introduced himself. 1345 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:50,914 We sat down. Gave me one of his cards. 1346 01:05:50,947 --> 01:05:54,984 He didn't appear to be concerned about what had happened. 1347 01:05:55,018 --> 01:05:58,287 And I had told Rimland that 1348 01:05:58,321 --> 01:06:00,756 "Man, I didn't do these murders, man." 1349 01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:05,161 And then he told me that, well, it didn't make no difference. 1350 01:06:05,194 --> 01:06:08,364 Because the evidence was so strong against me 1351 01:06:08,397 --> 01:06:13,102 that if I rolled the dice that I'm going to death row. 1352 01:06:13,136 --> 01:06:15,738 That was the extent of, uh, his visit. 1353 01:06:15,771 --> 01:06:19,208 Ciolino got the confession and then handed him over 1354 01:06:19,242 --> 01:06:22,578 to his office mate and his own personal attorney 1355 01:06:22,611 --> 01:06:25,681 to represent him and tell him that he had to plead guilty. 1356 01:06:25,714 --> 01:06:30,753 That lawyer's job was to scrutinize the confession 1357 01:06:30,786 --> 01:06:33,656 that Ciolino had taken from Alstory Simon. 1358 01:06:33,689 --> 01:06:35,158 Now, how is a lawyer 1359 01:06:35,191 --> 01:06:36,926 who is close friends with 1360 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,862 the person who took the confession 1361 01:06:38,895 --> 01:06:41,430 gonna scrutinize that confession? 1362 01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:45,168 The first thing he did was to announce publicly 1363 01:06:45,201 --> 01:06:48,537 that he understood that if Alstory Simon was charged 1364 01:06:48,571 --> 01:06:50,739 that he would be facing the death penalty. 1365 01:06:50,773 --> 01:06:54,343 Which is almost exactly what Paul Ciolino told Alstory Simon 1366 01:06:54,377 --> 01:06:56,846 to get him to confess in the first place. 1367 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,447 The only promise I made to him was 1368 01:06:58,481 --> 01:07:01,317 I would try and make sure he did not get the death penalty. 1369 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:03,452 Shortly after Simon confessed 1370 01:07:03,486 --> 01:07:06,055 he called his friend, Reverend Robert Braun. 1371 01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:08,591 Braun and Simon had worked together 1372 01:07:08,624 --> 01:07:10,526 on many community projects. 1373 01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,662 I said, "Al, you gotta tell me what went on," you know. 1374 01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:15,164 "What's going on?' 1375 01:07:15,198 --> 01:07:16,732 "What's this about a confession?" 1376 01:07:16,765 --> 01:07:18,601 And... and he says, "My mind ain't right." 1377 01:07:18,634 --> 01:07:20,103 He's like, "I couldn't think." 1378 01:07:20,136 --> 01:07:22,005 And he said, "I said a lot of stuff 1379 01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:24,207 "and they're gonna get me the electric chair, Bob." 1380 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,911 I said, "No they won't." Al says, "Yes, they will." 1381 01:07:27,944 --> 01:07:31,080 Simon told Braun that he was innocent of the crime 1382 01:07:31,114 --> 01:07:34,017 but that Jack Rimland advised him to plead guilty 1383 01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:35,851 as part of the deal. 1384 01:07:35,885 --> 01:07:40,089 He said, "Bob, I'm taking care of this. Back off." 1385 01:07:40,123 --> 01:07:43,859 I said, "Al said that he's... He's innocent of all this 1386 01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:46,229 "why are you telling him to plead guilty?" 1387 01:07:46,262 --> 01:07:48,898 Rimland also told Braun that Simon 1388 01:07:48,932 --> 01:07:52,101 would only serve 2 years in jail as part of the deal. 1389 01:07:52,135 --> 01:07:53,536 I says, I don't believe that. 1390 01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:56,039 Uh, I'm worried about him pleading guilty 1391 01:07:56,072 --> 01:07:58,507 if it involves something to do with murder. 1392 01:07:58,541 --> 01:08:01,344 And Bob told me to get rid of this attorney. 1393 01:08:01,377 --> 01:08:03,879 That Rimland wasn't doing nothing, you know, 1394 01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:06,082 far as exercising my rights. 1395 01:08:06,115 --> 01:08:07,516 And to get rid of him 1396 01:08:07,550 --> 01:08:09,752 and I should've listened to him, you know. 1397 01:08:09,785 --> 01:08:12,355 He ordered me to stay away from Al. 1398 01:08:12,388 --> 01:08:14,057 He didn't want me near Al. 1399 01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:16,325 Rimland knew, at one point 1400 01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,328 that I was thinking about going to trial. 1401 01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:21,730 And I told him, "Man, I've been doing some thinking 1402 01:08:21,764 --> 01:08:25,301 since I was at the police station, locked in." 1403 01:08:25,334 --> 01:08:26,502 And I'm going out here 1404 01:08:26,535 --> 01:08:28,437 I'm telling the judge every damn thing. 1405 01:08:28,471 --> 01:08:30,073 What they did to me and all this 1406 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:32,008 and how it came about being up here. 1407 01:08:32,041 --> 01:08:35,144 Rimland clearly panics. 1408 01:08:35,178 --> 01:08:39,215 To further coerce Simon into pleading guilty 1409 01:08:39,248 --> 01:08:42,185 Rimland told him that he was 1410 01:08:42,218 --> 01:08:46,055 a very strong suspect in another murder up in Milwaukee. 1411 01:08:46,089 --> 01:08:47,890 And that he could get the death penalty 1412 01:08:47,923 --> 01:08:51,127 either in Milwaukee or in Chicago. 1413 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,196 And I asked him, "Man, are you serious? 1414 01:08:53,229 --> 01:08:55,131 What... what are you talking about?" 1415 01:08:55,164 --> 01:08:57,700 And so soon as he left, bam, there it was 1416 01:08:57,733 --> 01:09:00,736 the... the story popped up on the TV screen. 1417 01:09:00,769 --> 01:09:04,307 Me being the mastermind about this Milwaukee murder. 1418 01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:08,677 I was already kind of afraid to go to trial in many respects 1419 01:09:08,711 --> 01:09:11,147 because I felt that if I did go to trial 1420 01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:14,017 I would get found guilty because of all the publicity 1421 01:09:14,050 --> 01:09:15,818 that had been on the case. 1422 01:09:15,851 --> 01:09:18,587 There was no charges pending against Al. 1423 01:09:18,621 --> 01:09:20,756 The state's attorney in Milwaukee said 1424 01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:23,459 they don't have anything on Alstory Simon. 1425 01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:26,429 He's not involved in the case up in Milwaukee. 1426 01:09:26,462 --> 01:09:27,763 It was all a lie. 1427 01:09:27,796 --> 01:09:30,966 A ruse to get him to confess to the Porter murder. 1428 01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:33,869 And then he tells me that there's 1429 01:09:33,902 --> 01:09:35,771 a plea deal on the table. 1430 01:09:35,804 --> 01:09:39,042 That if I'd plead guilty to 40 years 1431 01:09:39,075 --> 01:09:43,512 they would give me immunity from prosecution from Milwaukee 1432 01:09:43,546 --> 01:09:47,016 and there will be no death penalty and no life in prison. 1433 01:09:48,517 --> 01:09:51,320 At the sentencing hearing, Simon stuck to the plan 1434 01:09:51,354 --> 01:09:55,091 and apologized to Offie Green, the mother of Marilyn Green. 1435 01:10:04,033 --> 01:10:07,570 I made the apology on the advice of counsel. 1436 01:10:07,603 --> 01:10:11,006 He said that it would be more helpful to apologize 1437 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,210 and that... that should make things 1438 01:10:14,243 --> 01:10:16,412 sound more convincing. 1439 01:10:16,445 --> 01:10:17,813 You know, if you believe it or not 1440 01:10:17,846 --> 01:10:20,616 that that was true, when I'm reading through 1441 01:10:20,649 --> 01:10:22,851 all his documents, I find this letter 1442 01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:26,622 where Rimland actually states that and the letter 1443 01:10:26,655 --> 01:10:29,358 advised Al that this reporter was gonna 1444 01:10:29,392 --> 01:10:31,394 come down and interview him about the case. 1445 01:10:31,427 --> 01:10:36,565 It urges Al to remember to apologize 1446 01:10:36,599 --> 01:10:39,268 and show remorse towards the family 1447 01:10:39,302 --> 01:10:41,837 when she comes down there and talks to you. 1448 01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:43,239 Which he did. 1449 01:10:43,272 --> 01:10:46,275 And doing those 3 to 4 weeks, I would 1450 01:10:46,309 --> 01:10:49,678 rehearse on what I was going to say. 1451 01:10:49,712 --> 01:10:54,850 Alstory turns around, telling the victim's mother 1452 01:10:54,883 --> 01:10:59,255 that Marilyn, unfortunately, got in the way 1453 01:10:59,288 --> 01:11:03,592 as he was wielding the gun and accidentally shot her. 1454 01:11:03,626 --> 01:11:06,262 But that doesn't go with the facts. 1455 01:11:06,295 --> 01:11:08,597 Her daughter was shot 3 times. 1456 01:11:08,631 --> 01:11:09,998 So it wasn't an accident. 1457 01:11:10,032 --> 01:11:12,801 And he was standing within 2 feet of her 1458 01:11:12,835 --> 01:11:14,837 when he... when he fired those rounds. 1459 01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:17,273 So whoever killed her was 1460 01:11:17,306 --> 01:11:21,644 intentionally trying to kill her and shot 3 times. 1461 01:11:21,677 --> 01:11:24,880 It was the most hardest and mental painful thing 1462 01:11:24,913 --> 01:11:26,982 that I had to experience. 1463 01:11:27,015 --> 01:11:30,686 Knowing the fact that I'm standing up here innocent 1464 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:34,790 and I'm apologizing to this girl's mother 1465 01:11:34,823 --> 01:11:37,860 when I had nothing to do with her daughter's death. 1466 01:11:40,463 --> 01:11:42,231 At the conclusion of Simon's hearing 1467 01:11:42,265 --> 01:11:43,966 Assistant State's Attorney 1468 01:11:43,999 --> 01:11:47,603 Thomas Gainer presented the facts of the case to the judge. 1469 01:11:47,636 --> 01:11:50,873 But misrepresented the grand jury testimony 1470 01:11:50,906 --> 01:11:53,742 of almost every key witness. 1471 01:11:53,776 --> 01:11:57,413 Gainer tells the judge that he would call 3 other witnesses. 1472 01:11:57,446 --> 01:11:59,915 Senior, Woodfork, and Beckwith. 1473 01:11:59,948 --> 01:12:02,050 What he doesn't tell the judge that those 1474 01:12:02,084 --> 01:12:05,120 3 witnesses would all implicate Anthony Porter. 1475 01:12:05,154 --> 01:12:08,257 And Rimland stood there and never said a word. 1476 01:12:08,291 --> 01:12:10,593 And he makes no mention of Kenneth Edwards 1477 01:12:10,626 --> 01:12:12,561 who's the most important witness of all. 1478 01:12:12,595 --> 01:12:16,532 Who actually said that he saw Porter shoot the victims. 1479 01:12:16,565 --> 01:12:19,735 Witness after witness after witness was brought in 1480 01:12:19,768 --> 01:12:23,239 to establish that Anthony Porter committed this murder. 1481 01:12:23,272 --> 01:12:26,742 And then somewhere along the line in the grand jury 1482 01:12:26,775 --> 01:12:29,878 it was obvious that a decision had been made 1483 01:12:29,912 --> 01:12:33,349 that they were going to embrace Porter's innocence 1484 01:12:33,382 --> 01:12:36,319 and go after Alstory Simon and in fact 1485 01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:39,388 embrace this alleged confession to Ciolino. 1486 01:12:40,589 --> 01:12:42,825 Thomas Epach concluded that based on 1487 01:12:42,858 --> 01:12:46,262 the evidence against Porter, the involvement of Paul Ciolino 1488 01:12:46,295 --> 01:12:48,431 in obtaining the purported confession 1489 01:12:48,464 --> 01:12:51,934 and the representation of Simon by an attorney with ties 1490 01:12:51,967 --> 01:12:55,371 to Ciolino and Protess, I believed that questions 1491 01:12:55,404 --> 01:12:58,241 remained about the guilt of Simon and the innocence 1492 01:12:58,274 --> 01:13:01,877 of Porter that needed to be fully investigated. 1493 01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:05,013 "I expressed these concerns to Mr. Devine. 1494 01:13:05,047 --> 01:13:08,217 "Subsequently, I was told that the decision to prosecute 1495 01:13:08,251 --> 01:13:12,388 "Alstory Simon had been made by Mr. Devine." 1496 01:13:12,421 --> 01:13:15,791 Devine tells WBBM that's not the way he remembers it. 1497 01:13:15,824 --> 01:13:19,127 If Mr. Epach had these, uh, issues 1498 01:13:19,161 --> 01:13:23,131 I don't recall him, uh, ever raising them with me. 1499 01:13:23,165 --> 01:13:26,068 Maybe he raised them with, uh, with other people. 1500 01:13:26,101 --> 01:13:28,170 Uh, that's possible, but, uh, 1501 01:13:28,203 --> 01:13:29,705 I don't recall them being raised with me. 1502 01:13:29,738 --> 01:13:32,275 Devine said he does believe Simon's claims 1503 01:13:32,308 --> 01:13:35,110 should be looked at and evaluated. 1504 01:13:35,143 --> 01:13:38,213 My view is that the Cook County prosecutors 1505 01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:40,249 did not want to be on the receiving end 1506 01:13:40,283 --> 01:13:42,318 of any more negative publicity. 1507 01:13:42,351 --> 01:13:44,186 The Cook County state's attorney's office 1508 01:13:44,219 --> 01:13:46,455 didn't want to be embarrassed and go back 1509 01:13:46,489 --> 01:13:50,626 on what they had already set in motion by reacting too quickly 1510 01:13:50,659 --> 01:13:52,528 so they made a political decision 1511 01:13:52,561 --> 01:13:56,299 to move forward with the prosecution of Alstory Simon. 1512 01:13:56,332 --> 01:14:00,235 Richard Devine convened grand jury number 363 1513 01:14:00,269 --> 01:14:04,973 in February of 1999 in which witnesses against Porter 1514 01:14:05,007 --> 01:14:07,910 and the Northwestern team testified. 1515 01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:10,245 The grand jury was not asked to return 1516 01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,348 an indictment against Simon. 1517 01:14:12,381 --> 01:14:16,452 A month later, a second grand jury was convened. 1518 01:14:16,485 --> 01:14:20,723 The second grand jury did not hear from any of the witnesses 1519 01:14:20,756 --> 01:14:24,427 implicating Porter in the murders, hearing only evidence 1520 01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:26,362 regarding Simon's confession 1521 01:14:26,395 --> 01:14:30,466 and Inez and Walter Jackson's statements against Simon. 1522 01:14:30,499 --> 01:14:32,435 Based on that one-sided testimony 1523 01:14:32,468 --> 01:14:36,805 the second grand jury returned an indictment against Simon. 1524 01:14:36,839 --> 01:14:37,973 I mean, it's an utter outrage. 1525 01:14:38,006 --> 01:14:40,175 It's justice upside down. 1526 01:14:40,208 --> 01:14:42,611 How does Jack Rimland plea him guilty 1527 01:14:42,645 --> 01:14:45,080 to 37 years in prison? 1528 01:14:45,113 --> 01:14:48,584 And you're not gonna investigate the case and expose the case? 1529 01:14:48,617 --> 01:14:52,688 And remember when Simon was got the sentence that he got, 1530 01:14:52,721 --> 01:14:55,524 most of us who were not paying close enough attention 1531 01:14:55,558 --> 01:14:58,694 still thought, well, that's an awfully good sentence. 1532 01:14:58,727 --> 01:15:01,129 I mean, Jack Rimland, his attorney or whoever he is 1533 01:15:01,163 --> 01:15:03,499 must have done a great job because Alstory Simon, you know 1534 01:15:03,532 --> 01:15:05,468 he's gonna be out in about 20 years. 1535 01:15:05,501 --> 01:15:06,835 Uh, committing a double murder for which 1536 01:15:06,869 --> 01:15:08,804 another guy was sentenced to die. 1537 01:15:08,837 --> 01:15:11,139 To suggest that he did his job 1538 01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:13,342 by sparing him from the death penalty 1539 01:15:13,376 --> 01:15:14,910 he didn't need any lawyer 1540 01:15:14,943 --> 01:15:17,079 to not face the death penalty. 1541 01:15:17,112 --> 01:15:19,314 And armed with the circumstances surrounding 1542 01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:22,618 this confession along with the grand jury testimony 1543 01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:26,054 of several witnesses who placed Anthony Porter 1544 01:15:26,088 --> 01:15:29,024 at the scene of the murder at the time it occurred. 1545 01:15:29,057 --> 01:15:32,094 A reasonably good criminal defense lawyer would've 1546 01:15:32,127 --> 01:15:34,530 filed a motion to suppress immediately. 1547 01:15:34,563 --> 01:15:38,801 Rimland never told me that he had a strong relationship 1548 01:15:38,834 --> 01:15:40,736 with Ciolino and Protess. 1549 01:15:40,769 --> 01:15:43,672 He never told me about he shared office space with them. 1550 01:15:43,706 --> 01:15:46,909 He never told me that they had a business relationship 1551 01:15:46,942 --> 01:15:48,944 and they was all friends. 1552 01:15:48,977 --> 01:15:52,314 Then, I find out that while I'm going to trial 1553 01:15:52,347 --> 01:15:55,684 and he was my lawyer at the time he presented awards 1554 01:15:55,718 --> 01:15:58,421 to the very same people who got me in this. 1555 01:15:58,454 --> 01:16:02,090 Attorney Rimland gave an award 1556 01:16:02,124 --> 01:16:05,728 to David Protess and Paul Ciolino 1557 01:16:05,761 --> 01:16:09,832 for their efforts in freeing Anthony Porter 1558 01:16:09,865 --> 01:16:12,768 and implicating Alstory Simon 1559 01:16:12,801 --> 01:16:16,672 while Rimland was still representing Alstory Simon 1560 01:16:16,705 --> 01:16:19,207 before he had even plead to the charges. 1561 01:16:19,241 --> 01:16:21,844 And he was my lawyer at the time. 1562 01:16:21,877 --> 01:16:24,747 Soon after Simon was sentenced, his lawyer 1563 01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:26,615 Jack Rimland sent a letter 1564 01:16:26,649 --> 01:16:28,784 concluding their business together. 1565 01:16:28,817 --> 01:16:31,787 That's when I begun to understand 1566 01:16:31,820 --> 01:16:35,390 that I had been bamboozled and played. 1567 01:16:35,424 --> 01:16:39,061 When Simon finally received the grand jury transcripts 1568 01:16:39,094 --> 01:16:40,996 he realized that Rimland lied 1569 01:16:41,029 --> 01:16:43,466 about the strength of evidence against him. 1570 01:16:43,499 --> 01:16:46,101 The grand jury investigation had been secret 1571 01:16:46,134 --> 01:16:49,872 from the public and Simon until this point. 1572 01:16:49,905 --> 01:16:52,107 I was so furious 1573 01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:57,546 because this man had the thorough evidence 1574 01:16:57,580 --> 01:17:00,483 that proved my actual innocence. 1575 01:17:00,516 --> 01:17:04,219 So Alstory Simon filed a pro se post-conviction petition. 1576 01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:07,923 When I say pro se, I mean he's filing that on his own. 1577 01:17:07,956 --> 01:17:09,424 He wrote it himself. 1578 01:17:09,458 --> 01:17:11,860 He's not working with a lawyer who is telling him 1579 01:17:11,894 --> 01:17:14,863 what theories to bring or anything of that nature. 1580 01:17:14,897 --> 01:17:17,399 This is just on his own sitting in a jail cell. 1581 01:17:17,432 --> 01:17:21,504 On July 3, 2001, Simon filed his appeal 1582 01:17:21,537 --> 01:17:22,671 with the circuit court. 1583 01:17:22,705 --> 01:17:26,108 On October 5th, Judge Evelyn Clay 1584 01:17:26,141 --> 01:17:29,211 dismissed the petition without a hearing. 1585 01:17:29,244 --> 01:17:32,347 With the help of attorneys Jim Sotos and Terry Ekl 1586 01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:34,850 a successive petition was filed. 1587 01:17:34,883 --> 01:17:39,321 But was also rejected by Judge Clay. 1588 01:17:39,354 --> 01:17:41,189 The Chicago media has not embraced 1589 01:17:41,223 --> 01:17:42,925 the story of Alstory Simon 1590 01:17:42,958 --> 01:17:46,595 being innocent and having been framed by Northwestern to get 1591 01:17:46,629 --> 01:17:49,464 Anthony Porter out of jail to create a poster boy 1592 01:17:49,498 --> 01:17:51,199 for the anti-death penalty movement. 1593 01:17:51,233 --> 01:17:53,268 And the reason, I think is fairly simple. 1594 01:17:53,301 --> 01:17:56,872 I think they're vested in the Anthony Porter is innocent story. 1595 01:17:57,873 --> 01:17:59,107 And I think they have a hard time 1596 01:17:59,141 --> 01:18:01,243 eating that right now and admitting 1597 01:18:01,276 --> 01:18:03,679 that they were played by David Protess. 1598 01:18:12,254 --> 01:18:14,657 Because Porter wasn't originally pardoned 1599 01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:17,092 for the armed robbery of Henry Williams 1600 01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:20,996 his wrongful imprisonment only totaled one and a half years. 1601 01:18:21,029 --> 01:18:23,231 This didn't entitle him to much 1602 01:18:23,265 --> 01:18:26,401 in automatic state compensation. 1603 01:18:26,434 --> 01:18:29,404 Cook County announced that they were going to continue 1604 01:18:29,437 --> 01:18:33,576 to defend the conviction of Anthony Porter 1605 01:18:33,609 --> 01:18:35,978 for the robbery of Henry Williams. 1606 01:18:36,011 --> 01:18:38,246 The Chicago media didn't like that. 1607 01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,750 "The Chicago Tribune" did an editorial 1608 01:18:41,784 --> 01:18:43,619 criticizing the decision 1609 01:18:43,652 --> 01:18:46,521 and the next day the state's attorney's office 1610 01:18:46,555 --> 01:18:48,523 dropped those charges too. 1611 01:18:48,557 --> 01:18:51,026 The state's attorney's office decision to keep 1612 01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:54,663 the armed robbery charges in place demonstrated 1613 01:18:54,697 --> 01:18:58,500 that they believed that Williams was telling the truth. 1614 01:18:58,533 --> 01:19:01,536 The problem with that is if you do believe that, 1615 01:19:01,570 --> 01:19:03,005 well, then why would you disbelieve him 1616 01:19:03,038 --> 01:19:05,207 when he said he saw Porter run up into the bleachers 1617 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:06,842 where the murders occurred? 1618 01:19:06,875 --> 01:19:09,477 There'd be no reason to distinguish one from the other. 1619 01:19:09,511 --> 01:19:12,615 And Porter has always maintained from day one 1620 01:19:12,648 --> 01:19:14,883 that he was never even in the park. 1621 01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:20,222 After Anthony Porter was released from prison 1622 01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:22,357 he brought a lawsuit against the city of Chicago 1623 01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:24,860 and several Chicago police officers. 1624 01:19:24,893 --> 01:19:28,430 It was one of the most intensive 1625 01:19:28,463 --> 01:19:31,700 ventures that I have ever undertaken. 1626 01:19:31,734 --> 01:19:33,401 I said, the only way we're going to do this 1627 01:19:33,435 --> 01:19:36,739 is we gotta take this apart from the beginning. 1628 01:19:36,772 --> 01:19:41,610 I want every witness re-interviewed. 1629 01:19:41,644 --> 01:19:45,714 Because witnesses make great cases. 1630 01:19:45,748 --> 01:19:47,415 At the end of the civil trial 1631 01:19:47,449 --> 01:19:49,184 Anthony Porter's lawyers asked 1632 01:19:49,217 --> 01:19:52,220 the jury to award him $24 million. 1633 01:19:52,254 --> 01:19:54,189 The verdict came in. 1634 01:19:54,222 --> 01:19:57,259 Porter wouldn't receive a dime. 1635 01:19:57,292 --> 01:20:00,796 They awarded him nothing. 1636 01:20:00,829 --> 01:20:02,898 The jury rejected that and returned a verdict 1637 01:20:02,931 --> 01:20:04,132 for the city of Chicago 1638 01:20:04,166 --> 01:20:06,334 and Chicago police officers 1639 01:20:06,368 --> 01:20:08,336 finding that they had probable cause 1640 01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:11,506 to arrest Anthony Porter for the murders. 1641 01:20:11,539 --> 01:20:16,078 The key reasons that we won were the police officers. 1642 01:20:17,012 --> 01:20:19,347 I still get emotional. 1643 01:20:19,381 --> 01:20:23,518 This case impacted so many police officers. 1644 01:20:23,551 --> 01:20:25,821 So many police officers who were wrongly accused 1645 01:20:25,854 --> 01:20:27,589 of having done the wrong thing 1646 01:20:27,622 --> 01:20:30,258 by somebody who had done the wrong thing. 1647 01:20:37,766 --> 01:20:39,534 The reporters asked Walter Jones 1648 01:20:39,567 --> 01:20:42,504 how could this innocent man have been denied compensation? 1649 01:20:42,537 --> 01:20:45,407 And Jones said, "The real killer has been sitting in that room 1650 01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,409 right there all day." 1651 01:20:47,442 --> 01:20:50,445 A bunch of kids from Northwestern University 1652 01:20:50,478 --> 01:20:54,416 who had taken this elective course, a course on Journalism 1653 01:20:54,449 --> 01:20:57,152 and the teacher said why don't you look into a couple of these. 1654 01:20:57,185 --> 01:20:59,421 The kids dug up the information that was there 1655 01:20:59,454 --> 01:21:01,724 available to the police, available to the prosecutors 1656 01:21:01,757 --> 01:21:04,292 available to the defense, they found it. 1657 01:21:04,326 --> 01:21:08,831 Ciolino says, "The students don't investigate shit. 1658 01:21:08,864 --> 01:21:12,534 "What they do, which is valuable, is drudge work. 1659 01:21:12,567 --> 01:21:14,536 "If anyone thinks they've been getting 1660 01:21:14,569 --> 01:21:18,907 "people out of jail, they've smoked some good shit. 1661 01:21:18,941 --> 01:21:20,442 "When Hollywood gets hold of it 1662 01:21:20,475 --> 01:21:23,378 the students are going to look like heroes and geniuses." 1663 01:21:24,913 --> 01:21:28,583 I really do not believe these students had any element 1664 01:21:28,616 --> 01:21:32,487 of malevolence in their work, I really don't. 1665 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,490 David Protess engineered the investigation 1666 01:21:35,523 --> 01:21:38,560 and Paul Ciolino executed the investigation. 1667 01:21:38,593 --> 01:21:41,163 There is now no evidence against Anthony Porter." 1668 01:21:41,196 --> 01:21:43,866 He's a master at manipulating things. 1669 01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:48,303 And he was great at manipulating the press. 1670 01:21:48,336 --> 01:21:51,139 And what I find amazing is that the journalists 1671 01:21:51,173 --> 01:21:53,909 would write these articles about the police misconduct 1672 01:21:53,942 --> 01:21:55,944 and how the police railroaded Anthony Porter 1673 01:21:55,978 --> 01:21:57,545 without even looking at any of the evidence 1674 01:21:57,579 --> 01:22:01,249 and, you know, writing like that destroys the reputations 1675 01:22:01,283 --> 01:22:04,586 and careers of officers who dedicated their whole life to law enforcement. 1676 01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:08,423 I was ridiculed. 1677 01:22:08,456 --> 01:22:10,592 It kind of makes you wonder if you took 1678 01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:12,327 the right career once in a while 1679 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,329 when someone's trying to rail road you 1680 01:22:14,362 --> 01:22:17,332 into a different kind of person than you are. 1681 01:22:17,365 --> 01:22:18,934 How did it get twisted around? 1682 01:22:18,967 --> 01:22:21,303 How did, you know, it do a 180? 1683 01:22:21,336 --> 01:22:24,406 It makes me angry that a killer could be 1684 01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,942 walking out free when they've killed someone. 1685 01:22:26,975 --> 01:22:30,345 Took someone life and changed my life forever. 1686 01:22:33,048 --> 01:22:36,218 In 2011, Professor Protess was suspended 1687 01:22:36,251 --> 01:22:37,752 from teaching at Northwestern. 1688 01:22:37,786 --> 01:22:40,088 And leading the Innocence Project. 1689 01:22:40,122 --> 01:22:41,890 The state's attorney's office 1690 01:22:41,924 --> 01:22:45,160 asked for documents related to the case of Anthony McKinney 1691 01:22:45,193 --> 01:22:47,930 who Protess was trying to free. 1692 01:22:47,963 --> 01:22:50,632 The University's attorneys resigned after alleging 1693 01:22:50,665 --> 01:22:52,901 Protess made false statements 1694 01:22:52,935 --> 01:22:55,637 and altered an archived email message. 1695 01:22:55,670 --> 01:22:59,407 In an official statement regarding Protess' suspension 1696 01:22:59,441 --> 01:23:03,111 the university wrote, "In sum, Protess knowingly 1697 01:23:03,145 --> 01:23:07,082 "misrepresented the facts and his actions to the University 1698 01:23:07,115 --> 01:23:09,784 "its attorneys and the dean of Medill 1699 01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:12,020 "on many documented occasions. 1700 01:23:12,054 --> 01:23:15,757 "He caused the University to take on what turned out to be 1701 01:23:15,790 --> 01:23:19,461 "an unsupportable case and unwittingly misrepresented 1702 01:23:19,494 --> 01:23:22,697 "the situation both to the Court and to the State." 1703 01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:29,104 Protess has since formed the Chicago Innocence Project 1704 01:23:29,137 --> 01:23:30,906 which isn't officially affiliated 1705 01:23:30,939 --> 01:23:33,275 with Northwestern University. 1706 01:23:33,308 --> 01:23:35,643 I think people like Protess believe 1707 01:23:35,677 --> 01:23:37,913 the ends justify the means. 1708 01:23:37,946 --> 01:23:40,282 That the death penalty is wrong 1709 01:23:40,315 --> 01:23:43,518 and whatever you have to do to convince people it's wrong 1710 01:23:43,551 --> 01:23:46,088 is perfectly acceptable behavior. 1711 01:23:46,121 --> 01:23:49,858 I'm sitting here all these years 1712 01:23:49,892 --> 01:23:52,494 for something that I didn't do. 1713 01:23:52,527 --> 01:23:56,999 I missed out on, uh, bonding with my... my, uh, my nephews 1714 01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:01,336 and I have a grandson that, uh, I've never seen. 1715 01:24:01,369 --> 01:24:06,641 And believe me, it is... it is mentally painful 1716 01:24:07,742 --> 01:24:10,412 to walk around everyday 1717 01:24:10,445 --> 01:24:12,847 locked up for something that you know 1718 01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:14,917 that you didn't do. 1719 01:24:15,918 --> 01:24:17,319 You've just gotta say 1720 01:24:17,352 --> 01:24:19,521 time out, do over, right? 1721 01:24:19,554 --> 01:24:22,891 Looking back, this does not meet our standards, um 1722 01:24:22,925 --> 01:24:25,193 and the truth is that every defendant 1723 01:24:25,227 --> 01:24:27,829 from the most innocent to the most guilty 1724 01:24:27,862 --> 01:24:30,698 deserves to have an independent attorney. 1725 01:24:30,732 --> 01:24:33,168 Who has no ties to anything else in the case. 1726 01:24:33,201 --> 01:24:37,973 Whose sole job is to do the best they can for that client. 1727 01:24:38,006 --> 01:24:40,175 Had I known all these particular things 1728 01:24:40,208 --> 01:24:42,344 I wouldn't never let him represented me. 1729 01:24:42,377 --> 01:24:45,113 You gotta let him change his plea. 1730 01:24:45,147 --> 01:24:47,249 Get a new sentencing hearing. Get a new trial. 1731 01:24:47,282 --> 01:24:48,816 That's what justice is all about. 1732 01:24:48,850 --> 01:24:50,318 And if it means that people are embarrassed 1733 01:24:50,352 --> 01:24:52,320 well, it won't be the first time, right? 1734 01:24:52,354 --> 01:24:55,590 On October 22, 2013 1735 01:24:55,623 --> 01:25:00,128 the Cook County State's Attorney's Office stunned Chicago by announcing 1736 01:25:00,162 --> 01:25:02,864 the Porter-Simon case would be reopened. 1737 01:25:04,766 --> 01:25:07,302 What would make this right is my freedom. 1738 01:25:21,183 --> 01:25:22,617 Good afternoon. 1739 01:25:22,650 --> 01:25:25,687 This morning, my office vacated charges of murder 1740 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,291 and voluntary manslaughter against Alstory Simon 1741 01:25:29,324 --> 01:25:30,625 in connection with the murders 1742 01:25:30,658 --> 01:25:33,495 of Jerry Hillard and Marilyn Green. 1743 01:25:33,528 --> 01:25:36,798 Justice compels that I take action today. 1744 01:25:36,831 --> 01:25:40,202 This case has undoubtedly been the most complicated 1745 01:25:40,235 --> 01:25:42,670 and the most challenging re-investigation 1746 01:25:42,704 --> 01:25:44,706 that we have undertaken. 1747 01:25:44,739 --> 01:25:46,941 One of the most significant factors 1748 01:25:46,975 --> 01:25:49,311 that led me to today's decision 1749 01:25:49,344 --> 01:25:51,513 was the fact that the original 1750 01:25:51,546 --> 01:25:53,748 re-investigation into this case 1751 01:25:53,781 --> 01:25:56,451 was conducted by a former journalism professor 1752 01:25:56,484 --> 01:26:00,555 a private investigator employed by that professor 1753 01:26:00,588 --> 01:26:02,957 and a team of young journalism students. 1754 01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:04,159 Full name and number. 1755 01:26:04,192 --> 01:26:05,393 Alstory Simon. 1756 01:26:05,427 --> 01:26:07,829 8-7-0-8-1-7. 1757 01:26:07,862 --> 01:26:08,863 You're free to go. 1758 01:26:08,896 --> 01:26:10,665 - Good luck to you. - Take care. 1759 01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,138 This investigation by David Protess and his team 1760 01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:19,474 involved a series of alarming tactics 1761 01:26:19,507 --> 01:26:21,409 that were not only coercive 1762 01:26:21,443 --> 01:26:25,513 and absolutely unacceptable by law enforcement standards. 1763 01:26:25,547 --> 01:26:28,016 They were potentially in violation of Mr. Simon's 1764 01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:30,185 constitutionally protected rights. 1765 01:26:30,218 --> 01:26:33,188 Can you charge, uh, Mr. Ciolino 1766 01:26:33,221 --> 01:26:34,756 or Mr. Protess of anything? 1767 01:26:34,789 --> 01:26:37,259 No, I don't believe so because any statute of limitation 1768 01:26:37,292 --> 01:26:39,161 on either obstruction of justice 1769 01:26:39,194 --> 01:26:41,296 or intimidation of a witness is long gone. 1770 01:26:41,329 --> 01:26:45,433 I miss my family... and my mom. 1771 01:26:46,268 --> 01:26:49,037 She died while I was here. 1772 01:26:49,071 --> 01:26:51,506 In my view, the original confession 1773 01:26:51,539 --> 01:26:53,341 made by Alstory Simon 1774 01:26:53,375 --> 01:26:55,077 and the coercive tactics 1775 01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:57,912 that were employed by Investigator Ciolino 1776 01:26:57,945 --> 01:27:00,882 have tainted this case from the outside 1777 01:27:00,915 --> 01:27:05,620 and brought into doubt the credibility of many important factors. 1778 01:27:05,653 --> 01:27:08,856 At the end of the day, and in the best interest of justice 1779 01:27:08,890 --> 01:27:11,326 we could reach no other conclusion 1780 01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:13,995 but that the investigation of this case 1781 01:27:14,028 --> 01:27:16,398 has been so deeply corroded 1782 01:27:16,431 --> 01:27:18,733 and corrupted that we can no longer 1783 01:27:18,766 --> 01:27:21,236 maintain the legitimacy of his conviction. 1784 01:27:21,969 --> 01:27:23,205 What's next? 1785 01:27:23,238 --> 01:27:26,408 Um, whatever the Lord has in store for me. 1786 01:27:26,441 --> 01:27:28,910 The bottom line is that the investigation 1787 01:27:28,943 --> 01:27:32,046 conducted by Protess and Private Investigator Ciolino 1788 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,817 as well as the subsequent legal representation of Mr. Simon 1789 01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:38,253 were so flawed that it is clear that 1790 01:27:38,286 --> 01:27:40,688 the constitutional rights of Mr. Simon 1791 01:27:40,722 --> 01:27:44,859 were not scrupulously protected as our law requires. 1792 01:27:44,892 --> 01:27:47,829 This conviction, therefore, cannot stand. 1793 01:27:56,037 --> 01:27:57,572 God is good, ain't he? 1794 01:28:28,002 --> 01:28:30,205 No, I'm not angry at the system. 1795 01:28:30,238 --> 01:28:32,807 I'm angry at the people who did what they did to me. 1796 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,077 And the situation that they forced me into. 1797 01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:39,147 Did Porter get a certificate of actual innocence? 1798 01:28:39,181 --> 01:28:40,915 Is it double jeopardy that would preclude 1799 01:28:40,948 --> 01:28:42,450 if you were inclined to go after him again? 1800 01:28:42,484 --> 01:28:45,520 He didn't... no, double jeopardy is attached. 1801 01:28:45,553 --> 01:28:47,589 So Anthony Porter's not looking at any other charges. 1802 01:28:47,622 --> 01:28:49,591 I couldn't even if I wanted to indict him. 1803 01:28:49,624 --> 01:28:51,759 He actually received a pardon from the governor. 1804 01:28:51,793 --> 01:28:54,095 Simon is at the Jacksonville Correctional Center 1805 01:28:54,128 --> 01:28:55,497 down in Southern Illinois. 1806 01:28:55,530 --> 01:28:57,632 He's being picked up as we speak. 1807 01:28:57,665 --> 01:29:01,236 Will be brought back to the Chicago land area later today. 1808 01:29:01,269 --> 01:29:04,906 Man, this is not... I'm lost for words. 1809 01:29:04,939 --> 01:29:07,942 You know, but I... I feel great, man. 1810 01:29:07,975 --> 01:29:11,613 I've been working at it along with Jim Sotos for 10 years. 1811 01:29:11,646 --> 01:29:14,716 And uh, it's just an extraordinary feeling. 1812 01:29:14,749 --> 01:29:18,820 I just thank God, you know, that, uh, he shined down on me. 1813 01:29:20,255 --> 01:29:21,223 Whoo! 1814 01:29:23,558 --> 01:29:25,860 Free at last! Free at last! 1815 01:29:30,732 --> 01:29:31,833 Wow! 1816 01:29:33,668 --> 01:29:36,504 And to think that he's here now standing outside here 1817 01:29:36,538 --> 01:29:39,907 a free man is just unbelievable that this journey 1818 01:29:39,941 --> 01:29:44,379 this... this, uh, you know, is finally coming to an end, um 1819 01:29:44,412 --> 01:29:47,915 it's just an amazing story, um, and it all just went down today. 1820 01:29:50,252 --> 01:29:51,219 Whoa! 1821 01:29:54,689 --> 01:29:56,491 It's all yours. 1822 01:29:56,524 --> 01:29:59,361 Can you bag that up, so I can take it with me? 1823 01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:01,162 I can't eat that. 1824 01:30:08,503 --> 01:30:11,339 The food was delicious. 1825 01:30:11,373 --> 01:30:15,777 I'm so full that I can't even breathe, I can only just blow. 1826 01:30:15,810 --> 01:30:18,446 That... that lobster, man, when you were eating that lobster 1827 01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:19,881 it looked like you were in heaven. 1828 01:30:19,914 --> 01:30:22,116 I was savoring the moment. 1829 01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:24,786 Every, every, every flavor. 1830 01:30:27,855 --> 01:30:30,024 It's too big, man. 1831 01:30:32,327 --> 01:30:35,563 15 years and 8 months. 1832 01:30:36,731 --> 01:30:38,900 The world has changed. 1833 01:30:38,933 --> 01:30:41,436 And as a 64-year-old man 1834 01:30:41,469 --> 01:30:43,438 I have to adapt to it. 1835 01:30:44,672 --> 01:30:46,874 Now that I'm free... 1836 01:30:46,908 --> 01:30:49,411 What about justice for me? 146229

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