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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,003 --> 00:00:04,671 We are speeding. 2 00:00:04,713 --> 00:00:06,047 Sound, speed. 3 00:00:06,089 --> 00:00:07,799 Oh, there he is. Yeah, me too. 4 00:00:07,841 --> 00:00:09,217 On my mark. 5 00:00:14,597 --> 00:00:16,141 dramatic percussive note 6 00:00:16,182 --> 00:00:18,476 Oh, man. 7 00:00:18,518 --> 00:00:20,395 8 00:00:20,437 --> 00:00:22,105 I don't know. 9 00:00:22,147 --> 00:00:25,066 Yeah, I don't--I can't. 10 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:26,776 Oh, fuck. 11 00:00:26,818 --> 00:00:28,278 It's complex, Kamau, you know? 12 00:00:28,319 --> 00:00:30,864 Pioneering TV personality. 13 00:00:33,658 --> 00:00:36,703 Grammy award-winning recording artist. 14 00:00:36,745 --> 00:00:39,205 He was like a spokesperson for fudge pudding. 15 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:40,915 Is that the case? 16 00:00:40,957 --> 00:00:42,917 Oh, boy. 17 00:00:42,959 --> 00:00:46,379 He's one of the most successful comics in history. 18 00:00:46,421 --> 00:00:48,089 He is known as America's dad. 19 00:00:48,131 --> 00:00:50,258 Or, quote-unquote, "monster." 20 00:00:50,300 --> 00:00:51,968 dramatic percussive music 21 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:53,762 The juxtaposition is just bananas. 22 00:00:53,803 --> 00:00:57,724 He was someone to believe in and someone to trust. 23 00:00:57,766 --> 00:01:01,352 But he wasn't the nice person that everybody thought he was. 24 00:01:01,394 --> 00:01:03,229 I Look forward to seeing Bill Cosby again 25 00:01:03,271 --> 00:01:05,899 in a court of law. 26 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:07,400 Should I even be talking about this guy? 27 00:01:07,442 --> 00:01:08,860 Uh-uh. 28 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:10,111 I know I'm gonna get in trouble. 29 00:01:12,322 --> 00:01:13,531 Deep Black girl sigh. 30 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:14,532 Um... 31 00:01:14,574 --> 00:01:16,951 Bill Cosby is... 32 00:01:16,993 --> 00:01:19,746 One of the biggest predators in Hollywood. 33 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:23,083 He's a rapist who had a really big TV show once. 34 00:01:23,124 --> 00:01:24,959 An example of... 35 00:01:25,001 --> 00:01:29,506 the complexity of...humanity. 36 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:33,009 What do you think, Kamau? What do you think? 37 00:01:33,051 --> 00:01:35,845 jazz music 38 00:01:35,887 --> 00:01:41,226 39 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:19,931 Bill Cosby-- Whoa-- 40 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:21,850 Yeah, oh, no, it's-- they heard. 41 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:23,184 Everybody heard. Everybody heard. 42 00:02:23,226 --> 00:02:24,936 That's what happened. That's what happened. 43 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:26,437 Nobody heard, and then everybody heard. 44 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:28,273 Can you still listen to his comedy? 45 00:02:28,314 --> 00:02:30,191 Oh, yeah. I can't listen to it now. 46 00:02:30,233 --> 00:02:32,277 No--oh, you can't? I can't separate it. 47 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:35,488 You can't separate it? 42-year-old Black comedian. 48 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,866 Obviously, Bill Cosby was a hero of mine. 49 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:40,368 They've destroyed Bill Cosby's career and life. 50 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:41,995 If they wanted to hurt him, 51 00:02:42,036 --> 00:02:43,329 the first thing they should've taken away 52 00:02:43,371 --> 00:02:44,914 was his medicine cabinet. What this is about-- 53 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:46,708 the obliteration of legacy. 54 00:02:46,749 --> 00:02:49,210 And some of them really is un-rapeable, when you-- 55 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:52,046 The worst part about Cosby was he was a hypocrite, 56 00:02:52,088 --> 00:02:53,715 and I said, "I don't think that was the worst part." 57 00:02:53,756 --> 00:02:55,216 Bill Cosby is the focus 58 00:02:55,258 --> 00:02:57,510 of a police investigation... We're talking about 59 00:02:57,552 --> 00:02:59,012 rape--that's a-- that's a tough thing. 60 00:02:59,053 --> 00:03:02,599 But wow, every one of those stories...is true. 61 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,893 I would be this boring house dad, 62 00:03:04,934 --> 00:03:06,603 and Bill Cosby would be in jail. 63 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:09,397 In the last few years, 64 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:11,900 there's been a lotta talk about Bill Cosby... 65 00:03:11,941 --> 00:03:14,652 Without me...knowing all the ins and outs 66 00:03:14,694 --> 00:03:16,237 of his case... A lotta jokes... 67 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:18,072 I put the pills in the people. 68 00:03:18,114 --> 00:03:20,241 Panels... There was a prosecutorial 69 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:21,993 agreement that was... News reports... 70 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:23,745 The man once beloved as America's dad... 71 00:03:23,786 --> 00:03:25,246 Breakdowns... 72 00:03:25,288 --> 00:03:26,915 Then filed a civil suit... 73 00:03:26,956 --> 00:03:28,666 IG Lives... I know I got 74 00:03:28,708 --> 00:03:30,251 mad questions for Bill. Tweets... 75 00:03:30,293 --> 00:03:33,087 "- Cosby is guilty. I'm sorry if you loved a lie." 76 00:03:33,129 --> 00:03:35,089 This... My hat's off to him. 77 00:03:35,131 --> 00:03:37,091 Happy pimpin', Bill. Honestly, 78 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:40,094 it feels like everybody's weighed in...even me. 79 00:03:40,136 --> 00:03:42,805 Go home, Bill. Just go home. 80 00:03:42,847 --> 00:03:44,807 While we've said a lot of things, 81 00:03:44,849 --> 00:03:47,310 it feels like we haven't gotten to the root 82 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:49,646 of the discussion. 83 00:03:49,687 --> 00:03:53,274 What do we do about everything we knew about Bill Cosby 84 00:03:53,316 --> 00:03:56,319 and what we know now? 85 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:58,238 Even though it scares me, 86 00:03:58,279 --> 00:04:00,573 I feel like I have to have this discussion. 87 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:03,076 Who knows anymore, but-- Why? 88 00:04:03,117 --> 00:04:06,579 I am a child of Bill Cosby. 89 00:04:09,958 --> 00:04:11,209 You know what I mean. 90 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:12,794 Please welcome W. Kamau Bell! 91 00:04:12,835 --> 00:04:14,796 I'm a Black man, 92 00:04:14,837 --> 00:04:16,631 I'm a stand-up comic, 93 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:18,132 I was born in the '70s. 94 00:04:18,174 --> 00:04:20,260 That's the whole story.- 95 00:04:20,301 --> 00:04:21,636 Hey, hey, hey! 96 00:04:21,678 --> 00:04:23,304 I was raised by Fat Albert... 97 00:04:23,346 --> 00:04:24,389 Fat Albert! 98 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:25,807 Picture Pages... 99 00:04:25,848 --> 00:04:28,309 Lip, sip. 100 00:04:28,351 --> 00:04:30,103 The Cosby Show. 101 00:04:30,144 --> 00:04:33,648 Think about who I am and what I am. 102 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:35,608 Bill Cosby himself showed me 103 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:37,986 that you could be smart and funny in equal measure. 104 00:04:38,027 --> 00:04:40,613 Why did you do it? "I don't know." 105 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:42,156 But then... 106 00:04:42,198 --> 00:04:44,993 Bill Cosby, three words for you. 107 00:04:45,034 --> 00:04:47,996 Guilty... Guilty, guilty! 108 00:04:48,037 --> 00:04:49,497 Cosby, 80 years old, 109 00:04:49,539 --> 00:04:50,832 was convicted today of three counts 110 00:04:50,873 --> 00:04:52,792 of aggravated indecent assault. 111 00:04:52,834 --> 00:04:55,336 Mr. Cosby, are you prepared to go to prison, sir? 112 00:04:55,378 --> 00:04:57,672 How do we talk about Bill Cosby? 113 00:04:57,714 --> 00:05:00,717 There's all the good he did... 114 00:05:00,758 --> 00:05:02,260 and all the other things 115 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:03,803 that I and many other people 116 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:05,013 believe he did. 117 00:05:05,054 --> 00:05:06,514 tense dramatic music 118 00:05:06,556 --> 00:05:08,349 So I invited some people to sit down 119 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:11,686 and have the difficult conversation about Bill Cosby. 120 00:05:11,728 --> 00:05:14,897 And although lots of people said no, 121 00:05:14,939 --> 00:05:18,067 thankfully, some intelligent, brave, and funny folks 122 00:05:18,109 --> 00:05:19,944 said yes. 123 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:23,031 There's some times where you just have to show up. 124 00:05:23,072 --> 00:05:24,699 That's a wrap. Thank you. 125 00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:26,659 Thank you very much. Okay, thank you. 126 00:05:26,701 --> 00:05:28,161 Thank you very much--thank you. 127 00:05:28,202 --> 00:05:29,454 All right, Kamau. Take care. Bless you. 128 00:05:29,495 --> 00:05:31,039 And just when I thought 129 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,208 we had all the conversations we needed... 130 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:35,877 Breaking news about Bill Cosby. 131 00:05:35,918 --> 00:05:38,546 The comedian was just released from prison. 132 00:05:38,588 --> 00:05:40,214 We love you, Mr. Cosby! 133 00:05:44,927 --> 00:05:48,306 So let's start at the beginning, 134 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:50,641 when America met Bill Cosby. 135 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,394 136 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:57,231 137 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:04,739 ...who's become a big hit in a small period of time. 138 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:07,325 He's clever, inventive, fresh, 139 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:09,118 and something other young comedians sometimes neglect-- 140 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,620 he's darn funny. 141 00:06:10,661 --> 00:06:12,413 A promising comedian who has kept every promise-- 142 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:14,290 Bill Cosby. 143 00:06:15,875 --> 00:06:17,168 See this? 144 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:19,921 He didn't mention, "This first Negro comic." 145 00:06:19,962 --> 00:06:21,964 He just said a comedian. 146 00:06:22,006 --> 00:06:26,386 147 00:06:26,427 --> 00:06:29,764 He looked so, so innocent. Handsome. 148 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:31,099 As when I was a kid, 149 00:06:31,140 --> 00:06:33,434 I used to go to the movies every Saturday. 150 00:06:33,476 --> 00:06:35,436 And I--to start off, 151 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:38,689 the guys that frightened me the most were the monsters. 152 00:06:38,731 --> 00:06:41,901 Yeah, he was so likable. 153 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:46,114 1963, Bill Cosby appears on The Jack Paar Program... 154 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:48,950 And blew everybody away. 155 00:06:48,991 --> 00:06:50,284 I think she'd have trouble 156 00:06:50,326 --> 00:06:52,453 trying to punch out Frankenstein, you know. 157 00:06:52,495 --> 00:06:53,955 Break his knee cap! 158 00:06:53,996 --> 00:06:55,373 That kind of thing. 159 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,792 Good laughs. He ripped it on that. 160 00:06:57,834 --> 00:07:01,295 That's a rip in 1960-whatever. 161 00:07:01,337 --> 00:07:02,797 And they didn't have a lot of Black people 162 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,507 on the Jack Paar show. 163 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:06,759 He didn't see not one of his faces in the audience, like, 164 00:07:06,801 --> 00:07:08,803 "Oh, shit, oh, shit." 165 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:13,891 So Cosby was kind of in a special place. 166 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:16,894 His trajectory from his first stand-up gig 167 00:07:16,936 --> 00:07:20,106 to his first appearance on TV was very short. 168 00:07:20,148 --> 00:07:21,899 A few years before 169 00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:23,317 he begins to do stand-up, 170 00:07:23,359 --> 00:07:26,362 Bill Cosby was a freshman at Temple University. 171 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:28,823 He decides to take up bartending 172 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:31,909 at this place called the Cellar in Philadelphia. 173 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:34,036 While he's there, he decides to, you know, 174 00:07:34,078 --> 00:07:35,079 tell jokes to the customers. 175 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,664 176 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:38,332 He's like the most popular bartender. 177 00:07:38,374 --> 00:07:41,669 'Cause he's figuring out "Oh, this comedy stuff 178 00:07:41,711 --> 00:07:45,298 that I did in class kind of can translate over here." 179 00:07:45,339 --> 00:07:47,175 His boss actually is the one who says, 180 00:07:47,216 --> 00:07:48,759 "Hey, you should try stand-up." 181 00:07:48,801 --> 00:07:51,637 Football can be combined with history, 182 00:07:51,679 --> 00:07:53,931 as I found out sitting in history class 183 00:07:53,973 --> 00:07:56,476 thinking of football.- 184 00:07:56,517 --> 00:08:00,146 He starts doing comedy in '62 in the Village 185 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:02,899 doing sets in between the folk singers. 186 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:04,984 Most amateur comics are shaky, 187 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:06,194 they don't have their voice yet. 188 00:08:06,235 --> 00:08:09,322 Bill Cosby had full confidence. 189 00:08:09,363 --> 00:08:11,115 Pretty much immediately. 190 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:14,952 It took him only one year to go from 191 00:08:14,994 --> 00:08:17,538 raw, novice beginner 192 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:21,542 to an A-level stand-up. 193 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:23,252 And people saw him right away 194 00:08:23,294 --> 00:08:26,797 and was like "Oh, this guy is something special." 195 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:30,384 Our next guest has a unique quality that made him a star. 196 00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:34,388 Bill Cosby.- 197 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:36,807 I attended Temple University. 198 00:08:36,849 --> 00:08:39,101 Physical education major. 199 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:40,478 Now, I hear some of you laughing. 200 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,022 Phys Ed, ha ha. You're dumb. 201 00:08:43,064 --> 00:08:46,859 He presented himself as the nice, young, college guy 202 00:08:46,901 --> 00:08:50,071 that you wouldn't mind having come over for dinner. 203 00:08:50,112 --> 00:08:52,907 Good evening. Good evening. 204 00:08:52,949 --> 00:08:54,909 Bill Cosby, with just one look or just 205 00:08:54,951 --> 00:08:57,578 one reaction, could make people laugh. 206 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:03,292 He was so gifted as a physical comedian, too. 207 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:08,214 The sort of sound effects he uses, 208 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:10,675 the way he vacillates between various characters 209 00:09:10,716 --> 00:09:11,717 just through his voice. 210 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:12,885 Charlie, take the reins! 211 00:09:12,927 --> 00:09:14,387 Cosby, I can't drive. 212 00:09:14,428 --> 00:09:17,765 All of these things were really unique to Cosby, 213 00:09:17,807 --> 00:09:20,101 and since then, everyone has imitated that. 214 00:09:20,142 --> 00:09:22,228 He was just the best storyteller. 215 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,438 Car skidding back and forth. 216 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,731 Kind of kept me awake, you know? 217 00:09:25,773 --> 00:09:28,526 Oh, almost died that time. Yes, that's great. 218 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:29,777 To have a funny story, 219 00:09:29,819 --> 00:09:31,779 to have people continuously laughing-- 220 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:33,823 you know, that's what Cosby was a master at. 221 00:09:33,864 --> 00:09:36,117 Every Saturday, we used to have go-kart races. 222 00:09:36,158 --> 00:09:38,202 As a little girl, all I knew was that 223 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:40,788 whatever Bill was doing made my grandmother laugh, 224 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:42,248 made everybody in the house laugh, 225 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:44,000 and made me feel good. 226 00:09:45,376 --> 00:09:46,544 Bill Cosby, he's the... 227 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:50,923 storyteller who is clean, 228 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:52,717 but not corny, right? 229 00:09:52,758 --> 00:09:55,219 He doesn't curse, but he still has some edge to him. 230 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:56,971 I hit a tree. 231 00:09:57,013 --> 00:09:58,472 Soon as I hit the tree, 232 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:00,558 I remembered in my glove compartment, 233 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,394 I've got nine old moving violation tickets. 234 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,896 That was a big part of the appeal of Bill Cosby. 235 00:10:05,938 --> 00:10:08,149 You could watch him and enjoy him 236 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:12,111 as an educated and cool Black man. 237 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:14,405 You know, you just didn't see lot of Black people on TV. 238 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:16,574 And you're funny too. Yes, I hope so. 239 00:10:18,367 --> 00:10:19,744 We shall 240 00:10:19,785 --> 00:10:24,540 Overcome 241 00:10:24,582 --> 00:10:25,708 We shall overcome 242 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:27,335 The '60s in America 243 00:10:27,376 --> 00:10:30,796 are just a tremendously turbulent period. 244 00:10:30,838 --> 00:10:32,006 energetic funk music 245 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:33,841 I have a dream 246 00:10:33,883 --> 00:10:37,887 one day, this nation will rise up, 247 00:10:37,928 --> 00:10:40,681 live out the true meaning of its creed. 248 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:48,648 The President of the United States is dead. 249 00:10:48,689 --> 00:10:51,359 All of those things are happening at once. 250 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,904 So it's a really chaotic time in America. 251 00:10:54,945 --> 00:10:56,113 You're not going to see any of this 252 00:10:56,155 --> 00:10:58,616 in Bill Cosby's comedy from the time. 253 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:01,952 What Bill Cosby is doing is talking about Noah's Ark. 254 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:04,372 Who is that? 255 00:11:04,413 --> 00:11:08,668 It's the Lord, Noah. 256 00:11:12,922 --> 00:11:14,215 Right. 257 00:11:14,256 --> 00:11:15,841 Bill Cosby is saying things of substance, 258 00:11:15,883 --> 00:11:17,885 but he's not making people uncomfortable, 259 00:11:17,927 --> 00:11:20,179 he's not making people look at themselves. 260 00:11:20,221 --> 00:11:22,723 What's an eye?- 261 00:11:22,765 --> 00:11:24,392 He's not Dick Gregory. 262 00:11:24,433 --> 00:11:26,519 I feel sorry for Willie. 263 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:29,397 I hate to see any baseball player having troubles, 264 00:11:29,438 --> 00:11:31,899 'cause that's the great sport for my people. 265 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,776 That is the only sport in the world 266 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:35,695 where a Negro can shake a stick at a white man 267 00:11:35,736 --> 00:11:38,447 and won't start no riot.- 268 00:11:38,489 --> 00:11:42,743 1961, two years before Bill Cosby appears 269 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:44,412 on The Jack Paar Program, 270 00:11:44,453 --> 00:11:46,455 Dick Gregory comes on the scene. 271 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:49,250 He's the first African American comic 272 00:11:49,291 --> 00:11:51,419 to play to white audiences, 273 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:53,254 and he did something that people thought 274 00:11:53,295 --> 00:11:55,089 couldn't possibly have been done before, 275 00:11:55,131 --> 00:11:58,634 which was talk about race, talk about racism, 276 00:11:58,676 --> 00:12:00,344 talk about the civil rights era. 277 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:02,763 When a Negros in Chicago move into one large area, 278 00:12:02,805 --> 00:12:04,932 and it look like we might control the votes, 279 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:06,851 they don't say anything to us. 280 00:12:06,892 --> 00:12:10,187 They have a slum clearance.- 281 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:11,439 Dick Gregory talked about race 282 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,691 in front of their face. 283 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:16,402 Dick was sittin' on a stool smoking a cigarette. 284 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:18,279 It was almost like 285 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,114 nigga, what are you doing? 286 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:23,743 The color line was broken by Dick Gregory 287 00:12:23,784 --> 00:12:27,580 when he plays the Playboy Club in January of 1961. 288 00:12:27,621 --> 00:12:29,248 jazz music 289 00:12:29,290 --> 00:12:31,792 Playboy starts to establish these clubs 290 00:12:31,834 --> 00:12:36,464 all over the United States and the world in the 1960s. 291 00:12:36,505 --> 00:12:38,966 They often featured up-and-coming 292 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:42,261 or otherwise popular but controversial comedians. 293 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:44,472 In other words, a stripper in the burlesque house 294 00:12:44,513 --> 00:12:45,765 starting to, goes "Here it is, boys." 295 00:12:45,806 --> 00:12:47,475 La-da-da-da, it's cool. 296 00:12:47,516 --> 00:12:49,310 But let her do that in the public park on the way home 297 00:12:49,351 --> 00:12:50,644 and her ass is in jail. 298 00:12:50,686 --> 00:12:53,314 And Hefner purposely brought on 299 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:55,357 African American entertainers, 300 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:57,109 and that was one of the ways in which 301 00:12:57,151 --> 00:12:59,028 he was trying to express his support 302 00:12:59,069 --> 00:13:02,364 for the civil rights movement and integration. 303 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:04,950 Dick Gregory playing the Playboy Club 304 00:13:04,992 --> 00:13:07,703 and gets huge national press. 305 00:13:07,745 --> 00:13:11,290 He gets on the Jack Paar Tonight Show, 306 00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:13,125 opens the door. 307 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:17,963 He is, what they say, the Jackie Robinson of night clubs. 308 00:13:18,005 --> 00:13:21,300 So now, all these night club dates 309 00:13:21,342 --> 00:13:24,178 are available to a young, Black comedian 310 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,430 who, ten years earlier, 311 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,349 Bill Cosby would have been on something 312 00:13:28,390 --> 00:13:30,142 called the Chitlin' Circuit. 313 00:13:30,184 --> 00:13:33,020 He would have played primarily Black clubs 314 00:13:33,062 --> 00:13:35,356 in Black neighborhoods and Black theaters. 315 00:13:35,397 --> 00:13:37,775 Dick Gregory breaks the color lines 316 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:40,861 right before Bill Cosby hit. 317 00:13:40,903 --> 00:13:44,907 All serves up this guy perfectly. 318 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:46,867 Even though by the time 319 00:13:46,909 --> 00:13:48,828 Bill Cosby made it to television 320 00:13:48,869 --> 00:13:51,705 he was sort of the alternative to Dick Gregory, 321 00:13:51,747 --> 00:13:55,876 early in his career, Cosby wanted to be Dick Gregory. 322 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:57,419 There's an article 323 00:13:57,461 --> 00:13:59,296 in The New York Times where he's quoted as saying 324 00:13:59,338 --> 00:14:01,298 he's the Philadelphia Dick Gregory. 325 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:04,802 326 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:08,097 At that time, a lot of his stand-up material 327 00:14:08,138 --> 00:14:10,432 dealt with race and racial issues. 328 00:14:10,474 --> 00:14:13,060 This the great mystery of Bill Cosby. 329 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:16,522 Something happened from that New York Times article 330 00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:20,150 to several months later with different managers he has 331 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:25,072 that he decides to drop all references to racial strife, 332 00:14:25,114 --> 00:14:27,366 being a Black guy in America, 333 00:14:27,408 --> 00:14:31,745 like, removed his race from his comedic equation. 334 00:14:31,787 --> 00:14:33,664 Once Bill Cosby decides 335 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:34,915 he's not going to be confrontational 336 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:36,083 like Dick Gregory, 337 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:38,043 the press sees him in a new way. 338 00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:39,753 They call him "raceless," 339 00:14:39,795 --> 00:14:44,008 which white people often think is a compliment. Hm. 340 00:14:44,049 --> 00:14:46,093 What was important to him at that moment 341 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,387 was having a successful career 342 00:14:48,429 --> 00:14:51,974 as a Black man in an industry that didn't have many. 343 00:14:52,016 --> 00:14:53,601 344 00:14:53,642 --> 00:14:54,894 The number of gatekeepers 345 00:14:54,935 --> 00:14:56,645 in the TV industry was tiny. 346 00:14:56,687 --> 00:14:58,272 They were all white. 347 00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:00,232 Bill Cosby in the '60s had to fit into 348 00:15:00,274 --> 00:15:04,862 a very, very narrow definition of what a Black man could be. 349 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,114 The term was "nonthreatening." 350 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:10,451 Dick Gregory never had a television sitcom. 351 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:13,704 He very rarely appeared on variety shows 352 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:17,374 because he didn't fit whatever that white, Hollywood 353 00:15:17,416 --> 00:15:20,711 prejudicial concept of "nonthreatening" was. 354 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:24,256 Bill Cosby filled that role. 355 00:15:24,298 --> 00:15:27,051 He wasn't ruffling any feathers with race. 356 00:15:27,092 --> 00:15:29,553 He wasn't protesting, he wasn't making 357 00:15:29,595 --> 00:15:31,639 great political announcements about anything. 358 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,724 I think that was just very comforting 359 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:36,977 to all of these white people he had to work for. 360 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:38,812 You know, they didn't want someone who was going to say, 361 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:41,065 "Well, we need to talk about the March on Washington." 362 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:43,651 I'm not sure Bill Cosby went to the March on Washington. 363 00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:46,445 One of the things that Dr. King 364 00:15:46,487 --> 00:15:49,156 often said to folks in Hollywood was, 365 00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:51,617 "Look, you do what you do." 366 00:15:51,659 --> 00:15:54,286 Even if you were not in the streets, 367 00:15:54,328 --> 00:15:58,207 you still had tremendous value to the movement. 368 00:15:58,248 --> 00:16:00,000 I became interested in the civil rights struggle 369 00:16:00,042 --> 00:16:01,627 out of a necessity to survive. 370 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:05,506 Because what you are presenting to America 371 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:08,676 is a view of African Americans that needs to be seen 372 00:16:08,717 --> 00:16:10,844 that Black folks were not criminals, 373 00:16:10,886 --> 00:16:13,806 that Black folks were not poor, illiterate. 374 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:16,350 They call me Mr. Tibbs! 375 00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:18,185 That is critically important 376 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:20,229 to the work of a civil rights movement. 377 00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:22,064 378 00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:23,399 I think his later-articulated 379 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,067 vision of Black progress 380 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:28,362 that could best be described as incrementalism, 381 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:30,864 which is get on, get your money, 382 00:16:30,906 --> 00:16:33,534 and then help the Black people out that you can. 383 00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:34,994 And one of the best ways to do that 384 00:16:35,035 --> 00:16:38,163 is by being the safe, compromised choice. 385 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:41,000 386 00:16:41,041 --> 00:16:43,210 387 00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:46,714 Ladies and gentlemen, 388 00:16:46,755 --> 00:16:49,174 this afternoon, we're over on Paradise Road 389 00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:53,637 visiting with one of television's top producers. 390 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,348 He's an actor turned writer turned director 391 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,267 turned producer, Mr. Sheldon Leonard. 392 00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:01,395 Sheldon Leonard was like a real mogul in those days. 393 00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:04,440 First, may I apologize for this very informal garb? 394 00:17:04,481 --> 00:17:06,066 He had a big track record 395 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:08,068 of hit television programming. 396 00:17:08,110 --> 00:17:12,489 So Sheldon Leonard heard about Bill Cosby and thought hey, 397 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:15,826 this guy would be great for a new TV show. 398 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:18,662 energetic suspenseful music 399 00:17:18,704 --> 00:17:20,080 400 00:17:20,122 --> 00:17:23,459 See, even cool titles. Very '60s. 401 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,463 402 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:32,801 403 00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:34,094 Everything about it's cool. 404 00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:36,513 It's got the whole James Bond vibe. 405 00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:39,516 I just remembered tennis, pretty women, 406 00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,727 and punching guys. 407 00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:43,771 That to me was kind of the essence of the show. 408 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,230 And at 12, you go, "That's cool." 409 00:17:45,272 --> 00:17:48,358 upbeat music 410 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,612 When this relatively unknown guy named Bill Cosby 411 00:17:51,653 --> 00:17:55,449 gets this premier role on I Spy, 412 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:58,202 it's a watershed moment. 413 00:17:58,243 --> 00:18:00,079 Television history instantly changed. 414 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,331 This is the first time that a Black man's gonna be 415 00:18:02,372 --> 00:18:03,791 the star of a series. 416 00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:07,294 417 00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,797 "I Spy" was an espionage-type 418 00:18:09,838 --> 00:18:11,924 television series. 419 00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:14,426 It costarred Robert Culp 420 00:18:14,468 --> 00:18:17,763 and Bill Cosby as spies. 421 00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:21,350 Robert Culp was a tennis pro, and he was his valet. 422 00:18:21,391 --> 00:18:23,811 But really, they were traveling all over the world, 423 00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:26,939 trying to undermine, um, uh... 424 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:28,023 communists. 425 00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:30,317 Or whatever other threat there was. 426 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,485 Kind of absurd. 427 00:18:31,527 --> 00:18:34,238 428 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,823 429 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:38,867 You know, in the earliest days of television, 430 00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:43,163 many of the Black characters were kinda holdovers 431 00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:45,666 or carry overs from the film industry. 432 00:18:45,707 --> 00:18:47,459 You gonna put your shoes on? 433 00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:51,338 No, I'm saving them in case my feet wear out. 434 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,841 You talk about a Stepin Fetchit, 435 00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:58,137 Eddie "Rochester" Anderson, or Willie Best. 436 00:18:58,178 --> 00:18:59,638 Chicken house? Uh-huh. 437 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,515 What am I waiting for? I don't know. 438 00:19:01,557 --> 00:19:03,225 Me, either. 439 00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:06,395 These were the images of Black people in film 440 00:19:06,436 --> 00:19:08,021 and later, I think, 441 00:19:08,063 --> 00:19:11,275 many of those images you could see on television as well. 442 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:13,152 Amos'n Andy. 443 00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:18,073 Lipstick. Let's see that lipstick now. 444 00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,033 Hmm. 445 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,661 446 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,122 Black people are represented 447 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:30,002 as childlike, slow. 448 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:31,587 You know, if it's a woman, 449 00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:36,383 either you have the sort of overly-sexualized Jezebel, 450 00:19:36,425 --> 00:19:39,595 or you have the asexual, Black mammy. 451 00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:42,264 I mean, it was just the worst representation 452 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:44,975 you could possibly imagine. 453 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:48,312 The reason a Bill Cosby stands out in the '60s is 454 00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:52,608 because he's not playing these old, stereotypical Black roles. 455 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,986 The images that Bill Cosby was fighting against 456 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:57,571 weren't from the distant past. 457 00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:59,698 Lot of this stuff was still on TV. 458 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:01,992 When I Spy first went on the air, 459 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:03,994 Amos 'n Andy was still in syndication. 460 00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:08,081 Oh, what wouldn't I give to hear a wooden doorstop again. 461 00:20:08,123 --> 00:20:09,499 So you could watch this... 462 00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:11,001 Has there been any further contact? 463 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:12,920 Flip the channel, and see this. 464 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:16,256 Oh, yeah, that's what it is. A cigarette lighter! 465 00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:19,509 Oh, yeah. Sure, Andy. 466 00:20:19,551 --> 00:20:22,054 And in order to make the thing work, 467 00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:24,932 all you got to do is take it like this. 468 00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:27,768 Who thinks Black guys don't know what a gun is? 469 00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:29,895 Bill Cosby was this cool, 470 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:33,315 suave character who also was the smart one. 471 00:20:33,357 --> 00:20:35,984 And that is not hypothesis. That is fact. 472 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,737 Alexander Scott, the Bill Cosby character, 473 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:42,658 He's a Rhodes Scholar. He speaks multiple languages. 474 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:46,995 He's a karate expert. 475 00:20:47,037 --> 00:20:50,666 He's not just a spy, he's a Superman. 476 00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:53,001 He's everything you don't see 477 00:20:53,043 --> 00:20:54,795 in Black characters on television. 478 00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:55,963 You all right? 479 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:58,465 Yeah, yeah, everything's fine, man. 480 00:20:58,507 --> 00:20:59,800 My family's fine. 481 00:20:59,841 --> 00:21:01,635 peaceful orchestral music 482 00:21:01,677 --> 00:21:04,972 I was like every little kid in America 483 00:21:05,013 --> 00:21:07,557 who looked up to him. My parents looked up to him. 484 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,727 My father looked up to him from I Spy, you know? 485 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,604 White people in Southern Indiana were 486 00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:16,817 inviting this Black man into their home every week 487 00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:18,944 and not clicking off the TV. 488 00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:22,948 He had a kind of mystique 489 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:27,327 of a change agent, not just an actor or performer. 490 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:30,831 He was a significant cultural figure. 491 00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:34,376 492 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,257 No. 493 00:21:42,676 --> 00:21:43,844 No. 494 00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:53,020 No. No. See, that's incredible. 495 00:21:53,061 --> 00:21:55,188 Okay, in a Bond--Bond film-- 496 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,024 excuse me, I have to tell you this story. 497 00:21:57,065 --> 00:21:59,276 Say live and let die 498 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:02,529 499 00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:05,365 We were filming Live and Let Die 500 00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:08,160 with Roger Moore and Gloria Hendry, 501 00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:11,621 the first Mrs. Bond of color, 502 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:14,499 and the first love interest. 503 00:22:14,541 --> 00:22:17,210 So here I am coming in the door. 504 00:22:17,252 --> 00:22:19,963 That hand is standing at the door, this cigar, 505 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:23,133 and he flips this body over. 506 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:24,968 That's not me.- 507 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:26,887 They didn't have a woman of color 508 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,555 to play my role to do that stunt. 509 00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:31,725 It was a white man 510 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:34,186 dressed in a white outfit, 511 00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:39,024 sleeveless, and you could see they colored his skin black. 512 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:42,944 Also, when I was killed in Jamaica with the scarecrow, 513 00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,739 they didn't have anybody of my hue to play that. 514 00:22:45,781 --> 00:22:47,741 515 00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:49,368 So I'm lying on the grass 516 00:22:49,409 --> 00:22:51,078 with all those ants eating me up. 517 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:57,167 There you go, sir. Thanks for your patience. 518 00:23:00,087 --> 00:23:02,589 Been doing this a long time. 519 00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:08,678 Never dreamed of it. Never thought of it. 520 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,263 Yes, sir. Be right with you. 521 00:23:10,305 --> 00:23:13,350 It's while Bill Cosby's filming I Spy... 522 00:23:14,976 --> 00:23:18,563 Sees a white stuntman putting on essentially blackface. 523 00:23:18,605 --> 00:23:20,440 524 00:23:20,482 --> 00:23:25,529 At the time, it was in 1958 and up to '65, 525 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:28,448 if they had a Black actor that that needed a stuntman, 526 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:30,450 they painted a white actor black 527 00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:32,702 and had him do the stunt. 528 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:41,378 No, I mean black. They painted him black. 529 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:43,130 It's a horrible-looking thing, 530 00:23:43,171 --> 00:23:45,632 but they got away with it for years. 531 00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:49,636 Bill looked at it and said, "This will never happen again. 532 00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:51,471 "I know we in Los Angeles. 533 00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:54,683 "You can find a Black stuntman to double me." 534 00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:56,977 535 00:23:57,018 --> 00:24:00,480 When I came in, I changed all of that. 536 00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:02,858 When I first started in the movie business, 537 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:05,819 I was working as an extra on Gomer Pyle show. 538 00:24:05,861 --> 00:24:08,530 See, I want a 100% PFC platoon. 539 00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:10,824 And Sheldon, when he came on the set, 540 00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:13,285 and he saw me stand up as a Marine. 541 00:24:13,326 --> 00:24:15,036 Said, "Who's that guy standing over there?" 542 00:24:15,078 --> 00:24:16,705 He said, "That's Calvin Brown." 543 00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:18,165 Said, "He look like Bill Cosby. 544 00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,584 Tell him to come out. I need to talk to him." 545 00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:22,335 Because if he could do stunts, 546 00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:25,005 he no longer working for Gomer Pyle as an extra. 547 00:24:25,046 --> 00:24:27,841 He working for I Spy as a stuntman. 548 00:24:28,884 --> 00:24:31,887 Just that quick and just that lucky. 549 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:43,857 That's actually the origin of how Black stunt performers 550 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:45,317 came into the business. 551 00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:48,945 Calvin Brown was his initial stunt double, 552 00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:52,699 and my grandfather also doubled for him and Greg Elam. 553 00:24:52,741 --> 00:24:54,159 All of these pioneers 554 00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:57,204 that have gone on to have incredible careers 555 00:24:57,245 --> 00:24:59,456 to become second unit directors, 556 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,334 to become stunt coordinators. 557 00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:05,003 It's created an entire industry for people 558 00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:08,131 that did not have jobs before. 559 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:12,219 If fact, I was the first Black guy to get on a contract 560 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:15,680 on a live show, just for stunt purpose only. 561 00:25:15,722 --> 00:25:18,141 Any time Bill needed a stuntman, 562 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:21,561 I was already available for that show. 563 00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:25,357 That is-- I had never heard that story. 564 00:25:25,398 --> 00:25:29,236 But you know, that tells me that Bill Cosby was doing 565 00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:31,738 what he could do to effect change 566 00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:33,573 on behalf of Black people. 567 00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:35,325 He made a huge impact. 568 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:36,826 So what the hell else we got to do? 569 00:25:36,868 --> 00:25:39,371 Fantastic. See, that's what I'm saying. 570 00:25:39,412 --> 00:25:41,748 That's the Cosby I know. 571 00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:44,209 And that's what I have to understand. 572 00:25:44,251 --> 00:25:46,670 Human beings are human beings. 573 00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:51,591 So to put all of that-- oh, it's difficult. 574 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,386 Mr. Poitier was very instrumental, 575 00:25:54,427 --> 00:25:56,596 and Mr. Belafonte was very instrumental 576 00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:59,808 in the progression of Black stuntmen. 577 00:25:59,849 --> 00:26:03,061 But it was Bill Cosby who stood up 578 00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:04,479 and took that first initial risk 579 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:05,981 to say, 580 00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:08,608 "I need a Black person to double me, 581 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:10,360 and that's that, period." 582 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:15,782 583 00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:18,994 I am a documentary film producer 584 00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,370 currently producing 585 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:22,664 Breaking Bones, Breaking Barriers, 586 00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:25,834 about the history of Black stunt performers. 587 00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:28,295 My grandfather is Ernie Robinson. 588 00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:31,256 He is one of the first Black stuntmen in Hollywood 589 00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:34,551 to fight for diversity and inclusion 590 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,054 for women and minorities in stunts. 591 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:41,808 I interviewed Bill Cosby in 2014. 592 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:43,476 Oh my gosh. 593 00:26:43,518 --> 00:26:47,147 When I think about that interview, I beam. 594 00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:49,816 It was so unbelievable. 595 00:26:49,858 --> 00:26:52,777 He invited our crew to his home. 596 00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:55,155 As an African American filmmaker, and I'm a woman, 597 00:26:55,196 --> 00:26:57,991 and I was a part of a Cosby generation, 598 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,160 for me, it was just-- 599 00:27:00,201 --> 00:27:03,079 it was unimaginable that this could be possible, 600 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:05,957 that this was happening. 601 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:09,502 I had not really heard anything about allegations 602 00:27:09,544 --> 00:27:11,504 prior to my interview with him, 603 00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:14,674 so I started learning about it after our interview. 604 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:25,644 I was at a loss for words. 605 00:27:25,685 --> 00:27:27,729 I was very angry. 606 00:27:27,771 --> 00:27:32,025 I felt conflicted. I felt let down. 607 00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:36,696 It was a very serious matter that needed to be sorted out. 608 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:40,492 So I think it was a better position for us 609 00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:43,870 to cut the footage. 610 00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:46,790 But I don't think that I can speak to the allegations 611 00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:49,376 because that wasn't my experience, 612 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:51,711 and I feel like I can only speak 613 00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:55,799 to what my experience was like in his presence filming him. 614 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,218 That's the Mr. Cosby I know. 615 00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:04,182 Part of the reason why he was able to do 616 00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:05,975 what he did for so long, 617 00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:08,103 nobody wanted to believe those kinds of things. 618 00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:11,773 Nobody wanted to imagine that these things were real 619 00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,942 when we're thinking about somebody 620 00:28:13,983 --> 00:28:17,445 who is respectable and clean-cut and nice 621 00:28:17,487 --> 00:28:21,574 and has sort of made his living 622 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:24,411 as the nice Black guy in the room. 623 00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:25,954 The boys are on a break right now. 624 00:28:25,995 --> 00:28:27,330 Would there be any chance 625 00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:30,291 of getting Mr. Cosby and Mr. Covaline-- 626 00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:32,502 Well, I see Mr. Cosby here in the company 627 00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,796 of a glamorous young lady 628 00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:38,258 who is probably our next important movie star, 629 00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:40,260 and I wonder if we could prevail on him 630 00:28:40,301 --> 00:28:41,594 bring that young lady in. 631 00:28:41,636 --> 00:28:43,805 Yes. Bill? 632 00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:45,306 Isn't she beautiful? 633 00:28:45,348 --> 00:28:48,226 Introduce this young lady to the Las Vegas public? 634 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:49,769 What do you say, Bill? How are you, Mr. Cosby? 635 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,104 Hey, how are you sir? 636 00:28:51,146 --> 00:28:52,355 Is this your little girl? 637 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:55,692 Yes, this is my son, the daughter. 638 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,987 In 196d, Bill Cosby meets a college student 639 00:28:59,028 --> 00:29:01,197 named Camille Hanks. 640 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,117 By all accounts, she was above his station. 641 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:06,369 They get married in 1964 642 00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:08,913 and have a child the next year. 643 00:29:08,955 --> 00:29:10,957 Well, I'm gonna have about 30 kids. 644 00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:14,419 And my wife can't do a thing about it, 645 00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:16,463 'cause she's Catholic. 646 00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:20,633 If she refuses me, I'll take her right to the pope. 647 00:29:20,675 --> 00:29:23,928 Pope. If she says naw, "Pope says you gotta do it." 648 00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:25,889 Ha ha ha. 649 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,474 The beginning of Bill Cosby's career 650 00:29:27,515 --> 00:29:29,100 moved super quick. 651 00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:32,353 In 1962, he's a single childless college dropout 652 00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:34,189 who people think is funny. 653 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:37,192 By 1965, he's married with a family, 654 00:29:37,233 --> 00:29:39,986 and he's one of the hottest comics in the country. 655 00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:42,989 He wins Best Actor in a Dramatic Series 656 00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:45,450 three years in a row. 657 00:29:45,492 --> 00:29:47,827 While he's filming I Spy, 658 00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:51,456 he's also recording comedy albums. 659 00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:52,665 This is a true story. 660 00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:54,000 Happened to me in San Francisco. 661 00:29:54,042 --> 00:29:55,335 I had a tooth pulled. 662 00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:57,420 First of all, Novocain does not kill pain. 663 00:29:57,462 --> 00:30:00,673 It postpones it and gives it a chance 664 00:30:00,715 --> 00:30:04,594 to build little pain buddies over to the side, you know. 665 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,262 Every year, a new album came out. 666 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,348 Bill Cosby's A Very Funny Fellow Right!, 667 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:10,183 I Started Out As A Child, 668 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,936 and then   Why Is There Air, and then   Wonderfulness, 669 00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:15,522 and then Revenge, and then Russell. 670 00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:16,856 Year after year, he was winning 671 00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,275 all these Grammy awards. 672 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:21,986 He has, like, six in a row, like, some crazy record. 673 00:30:22,028 --> 00:30:23,988 Bill Cosby is a family man. 674 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:24,948 He's more successful 675 00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:26,366 than he ever 676 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:28,368 could have imagined being. 677 00:30:28,409 --> 00:30:31,037 He's no longer just the up-and-comer. 678 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,373 He has arrived. 679 00:30:33,414 --> 00:30:35,041 Usually, part of the deal 680 00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:36,543 with becoming a celebrity 681 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:37,877 is that your private life 682 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,421 now becomes open to public discussion. 683 00:30:40,463 --> 00:30:43,591 But the way his public life was constructed, 684 00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:47,512 we felt like we were seeing enough of his private life 685 00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:49,764 that we didn't need to ask any more questions. 686 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,766 And I was real happy 687 00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:53,434 to borrow our next guest. 688 00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:55,186 We got him from one of the 689 00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:57,772 season's top TV shows,   I Spy. 690 00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:00,567 It's great to have him back with us again tonight. 691 00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:03,862 Mr. Bill Cosby.- 692 00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:05,864 If you knew of him as, like, 693 00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:07,907 the Hollywood creation from I Spy, 694 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:10,076 he was absolutely, at one time, 695 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,537 the sort of sexualized, 696 00:31:12,579 --> 00:31:15,582 young, potential heartthrob. 697 00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:17,584 The spy is here, Bill Cosby. 698 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:19,085 Bill Cosby is here. The spy. 699 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,837 I got a story here. 700 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,881 You mumble when you tell stories. 701 00:31:22,922 --> 00:31:24,090 He's a mumbler. 702 00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:25,884 The veneer 703 00:31:25,925 --> 00:31:27,677 that Cosby represented 704 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:30,430 was always about progress. 705 00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:33,141 Folks who were thinking about what could be next 706 00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:36,394 and what could be possible, he stepped in that gap. 707 00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:37,937 But the truth of the matter 708 00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:40,773 is that the machine that creates Hollywood, 709 00:31:40,815 --> 00:31:43,776 the machine that even allows a Cosby to come forth, 710 00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:46,905 is one that's rife with misogyny 711 00:31:46,946 --> 00:31:50,617 and active kind of behind-the-scenes 712 00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:55,496 and in-front-of-the-scenes oppression of women. 713 00:31:55,538 --> 00:31:56,956 It's just a time when, 714 00:31:56,998 --> 00:31:58,625 if you are a womanizer, 715 00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:01,586 you will be patted on the back for it. 716 00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:04,756 You could be a high-profile actor 717 00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:08,635 and go about your business having multiple affairs, 718 00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:13,473 and it never, ever interfered with this public persona 719 00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:17,101 that you have crafted with your PR folks. 720 00:32:17,143 --> 00:32:18,603 Are you a man 721 00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,898 of good character where women are concerned? 722 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,483 Have you ever met a man of good character 723 00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:25,318 where women are concerned? 724 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,072 There was a culture that was... 725 00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:30,740 people would look away. 726 00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:31,824 "Boys will be boys." 727 00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:34,994 Man talk. 728 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,287 And if we're gonna talk 729 00:32:36,329 --> 00:32:38,331 about "boys will be boys" in the '60s, 730 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:41,709 then we got to talk about Hugh Hefner and Playboy. 731 00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,295 It's queued up. Just press play. 732 00:32:46,214 --> 00:32:48,007 Standard equipment 733 00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:50,009 is the Bunny cotton tail. 734 00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,345 Pair of ears. Here's one. 735 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:53,721 Are most of the girls embarrassed 736 00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,807 when they first put these costumes on? 737 00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:57,225 Not hardly. 738 00:32:57,266 --> 00:33:00,853 I'd say about one out of 143. 739 00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:04,065 Darling, I'm two out of 143. I feel ridiculous. 740 00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,067 I can't believe I didn't know this existed. 741 00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:09,278 When my turn came, I felt pretty awkward. 742 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,407 But at least I didn't spill anything on the customers. 743 00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:14,200 Later, when I left the club, 744 00:33:14,242 --> 00:33:17,829 the doorman asked if I wasn't taking off early. 745 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:19,539 "Well," I replied, very grandly, 746 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:22,875 "- after all, I'm not a Bunny. I'm a reporter 747 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,044 for the National Broadcasting Company." 748 00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:26,879 "Gee," he said, "you could have fooled me." 749 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:28,631 And you know something, Hugh? 750 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:31,300 I must admit that secretly I think I was kind of pleased. 751 00:33:31,342 --> 00:33:34,220 And that's it. That's Bunny school. 752 00:33:34,262 --> 00:33:35,471 You should be pleased. 753 00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:37,223 You make a very cute Bunny. Thank you. 754 00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:38,683 You know, the amazing thing is, though, 755 00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:40,059 They are more chaperoned, really, 756 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:41,894 than in a television studio. 757 00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:43,980 It has been said, even, that the atmosphere 758 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,066 is almost depressingly moral in the Playboy Club 759 00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:49,360 because there's no hanky-panky whatever. 760 00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:51,070 And the furor that's raised about it is-- 761 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,280 That's disgusting. 762 00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:54,615 Hugh Downs, man. Who knew? 763 00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:56,409 But I enjoyed seeing you as a Bunny. 764 00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:57,618 Thank you. 765 00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:58,953 We have a station break now. 766 00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:01,414 Eww. 767 00:34:01,456 --> 00:34:04,459 Eww! 768 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,085 "I enjoyed seeing you as a Bunny." 769 00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,047 Every woman I know is... "Ugh." 770 00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:13,801 Playboy Club. 771 00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:17,221 I was a cigarette Bunny doing cigars, cigarettes, 772 00:34:17,263 --> 00:34:18,890 Tiparillos. 773 00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:22,435 Playboy lighters, $1.05. 774 00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:28,941 Hefner and Bill Cosby were friends for decades. 775 00:34:28,983 --> 00:34:32,779 They became friends both through civil rights work 776 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:34,781 as well as through the comedy scene 777 00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,116 at the Playboy Club. 778 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:40,286 We had a lot of jazz musicians, Gary Crosby, 779 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:43,456 all of the old comedians, Redd Foxx, 780 00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:45,083 and Jackie Gayle. 781 00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:46,959 I worked for this man for years in the Playboy Clubs. 782 00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:48,461 I worked there so many years, 783 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,546 I started to recognize the bunnies by their faces. 784 00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,256 We all schmoozed with them. 785 00:34:52,298 --> 00:34:54,133 They were all our buddies, you know, and then we'd all go 786 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:55,802 and have breakfast across the street 787 00:34:55,843 --> 00:34:58,262 after we got off work. 788 00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:00,640 The difference between a Playboy Bunny 789 00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:02,433 and a Playboy Playmate: 790 00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:06,521 a Playboy Bunny was the waitress in the club. 791 00:35:06,562 --> 00:35:11,067 A Playboy Playmate was the centerfold. 792 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,069 Now, you could be both or either. 793 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,613 I was both. 794 00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:18,116 I didn't meet Hugh Hefner until we opened 795 00:35:18,157 --> 00:35:20,451 the Playboy Club in LA. 796 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,578 The big deal of the day 797 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,164 was when Hef would come out from Chicago. 798 00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:27,750 Then they'd have the big cocktail party 799 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:30,920 in his penthouse at the top of the building. 800 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:34,507 funk music playing 801 00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:38,177 He was so skinny, and he was standing there with a pipe, 802 00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,930 and all of these girls were swarming around him. 803 00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:43,349 804 00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:46,811 And he walked over to me, and he said, 805 00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:48,646 "Oh, Victoria Valentino." 806 00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:50,523 And, typical of me, 807 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,025 I looked up, and I said, "And you are?" 808 00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:55,653 And I made him introduce himself. 809 00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:01,742 A typical Bunny. Young, she's fresh. 810 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:04,203 She has a pleasant personality, a fabulous figure, 811 00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:07,165 and she works like a Trojan. 812 00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:08,875 What was it like being a Bunny? 813 00:36:08,916 --> 00:36:10,793 You look at my face? 814 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,628 It was incredible. 815 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,840 816 00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:17,008 The 30-million-pound empire 817 00:36:17,049 --> 00:36:18,509 built around the simple principle 818 00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:20,845 that most people like to look at pretty girls. 819 00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:23,181 In this case, well-trained pretty girls. 820 00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:24,724 Move along, move along, move along. 821 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:32,523 Well, put it this way. 822 00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:34,567 If there was equality for women, 823 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:36,235 especially during the '60s, 824 00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,362 I can go along with that. 825 00:36:38,404 --> 00:36:42,241 But honey, I didn't like making $50 a week. 826 00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:43,576 You got it? 827 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,746 But as a Bunny, we made between $1,000 828 00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:49,749 to $2,000 a week in cash. 829 00:36:55,296 --> 00:36:57,757 I always felt used. 830 00:36:57,798 --> 00:37:00,218 A lot of the girls didn't feel that way. 831 00:37:00,259 --> 00:37:02,220 They were saving money for college, 832 00:37:02,261 --> 00:37:04,430 they were supporting their children, 833 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:05,890 they were buying houses, 834 00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:10,061 and I was feeling demeaned and diminished. 835 00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:11,812 Now, when she places this one, 836 00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,065 you notice that she is doing what we call a Bunny dip. 837 00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:16,442 We would dip, dip this way, 838 00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:20,238 and we would serve this way, this way. 839 00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:23,157 That's absolutely correct. 840 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,077 Looked glamorous on the surface, 841 00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,704 but if you didn't have your ears straight, 842 00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:30,206 if your tail wasn't clean, 843 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:32,833 if you had a run in your stocking, 844 00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:34,168 you would get demerits. 845 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:37,129 It was a very hard job. 846 00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,716 We were very well taken care of. 847 00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:42,885 One man said, "I'm not gonna have 848 00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:44,887 that nigger gal waiting on my table." 849 00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:47,640 Honey, I went over there and told the room director. 850 00:37:47,682 --> 00:37:49,475 He walked back over there, and he said, 851 00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:52,144 "May I see your Playboy key card? 852 00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:53,980 Get the "mm" out. 853 00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:57,316 If we got too fat and didn't look good 854 00:37:57,358 --> 00:37:59,735 in our Bunny costumes, we'd get fired. 855 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,280 The bunnies had their own doctor 856 00:38:02,321 --> 00:38:06,158 who prescribed us amphetamines. 857 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120 We were being plugged into 858 00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:11,080 a particular image. 859 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:14,875 You know, we were a collection of body parts. 860 00:38:14,917 --> 00:38:17,795 861 00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:21,465 Bill Cosby, who we associate as being 862 00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:23,843 a very family-friendly, G-rated act 863 00:38:23,884 --> 00:38:27,221 may seem incongruous in the Playboy Club atmosphere. 864 00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:28,639 But really, in those days, 865 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:32,393 nobody expected their comedy to be dirty. 866 00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:36,022 Uh... 867 00:38:36,063 --> 00:38:38,274 no, it couldn't be. 868 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:41,319 Ultimately, it was a classy venue. 869 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,237 They hired classy acts, 870 00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:45,406 so it wasn't really beyond the norm 871 00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:50,369 for a comic like Bill Cosby to be performing there. 872 00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:53,873 This is where looking back gets complicated, 873 00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:55,541 because the definition of family-friendly 874 00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,376 is always changing. 875 00:38:57,418 --> 00:39:00,004 What counted as family-friendly back then 876 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,214 wouldn't fly now. 877 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:14,935 On the album "It's True! It's True!", 878 00:39:14,977 --> 00:39:16,395 he does this routine 879 00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:18,272 which now seems like 880 00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:19,648 it might have been a red flag. 881 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,544 Ha ha ha ha! 882 00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,381 I had that album as a kid. I remember listening to it. 883 00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:47,093 At the time, it just seemed like, "Oh, this is funny 884 00:39:47,134 --> 00:39:49,387 that something could turn someone on like that." 885 00:39:49,428 --> 00:39:52,723 You thought it was like, I don't know, like oysters. 886 00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:54,892 Spanish Fly is the name of the game, 887 00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:56,685 and everyone wants to play. 888 00:39:56,727 --> 00:40:00,106 All of a sudden, I feel very weird. 889 00:40:00,147 --> 00:40:02,274 Can't you wait? 890 00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:03,859 No. Neither can I. 891 00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:05,611 I remember as a kid, 892 00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:07,446 and I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this... 893 00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:09,532 It was before I was having sex. 894 00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:11,867 But I remember, I think even on the back of a comic book, 895 00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:14,286 you could get some stuff called Spanish Fly 896 00:40:14,328 --> 00:40:15,746 and you put it in a drink. 897 00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,123 It was time to party. 898 00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:21,085 I remember him talking about Spanish Fly 899 00:40:21,127 --> 00:40:22,461 in one of his albums, 900 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:23,963 and I was like, "Oh, shit, Spanish Fly. 901 00:40:24,004 --> 00:40:26,382 Man, when I start fucking, I want some Spanish Fly." 902 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,467 I didn't know what it was. 903 00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:29,802 Hello. How's it going? 904 00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:31,137 I'd like a half a dozen 905 00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:32,638 of your best Spanish Flies, please. 906 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,141 All right. 907 00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:37,601 Oh, Jesus.- 908 00:40:37,643 --> 00:40:39,603 Run! 909 00:40:45,734 --> 00:40:47,319 My name is Hamilton Morris. 910 00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:51,157 I am a journalist, and I've spent the last 12 or so years 911 00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:54,994 traveling around the world, studying psychoactive drugs. 912 00:40:55,035 --> 00:40:59,498 Spanish Fly is-- it's an actual insect 913 00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:02,460 that produces a chemical called cantharidin. 914 00:41:02,501 --> 00:41:05,337 And cantharidin is an irritant 915 00:41:05,379 --> 00:41:08,257 that causes a burning sensation 916 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,594 in the urethra when it's eliminated by urination, 917 00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:15,181 and that burning sensation can be confused 918 00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:18,517 with a sort of sexual stimulation, 919 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,019 or an aphrodisiac effect. 920 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:23,522 Yes, it's a real thing. 921 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:59,099 That was accepting? Like, that's crazy. 922 00:41:59,141 --> 00:42:01,560 Ooh, yeah, that doesn't age well, does it? 923 00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:03,687 The Spanish Fly bit. 924 00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,273 Maybe it's innocent, maybe not. 925 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:09,652 But if you listen to that Spanish Fly joke, 926 00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:12,154 the motherfucker tells on itself. 927 00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:15,533 The album is called It's True! It's True! 928 00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:18,744 That almost could be like a summation 929 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,829 for the prosecution. 930 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:22,831 And I think people just turned a deaf ear to it 931 00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:26,377 and just kind of, like, put it off 932 00:42:26,418 --> 00:42:28,212 to being just a joke. 933 00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:31,215 But I mean, clearly, you have the indications 934 00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:34,051 that there's something wrong with this man. 935 00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:37,721 Bill Cosby, it seems to me, has been leaving 936 00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:41,642 something like bread crumbs all throughout his career, 937 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:44,436 pointing to his guilty conscience. 938 00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:46,647 Okay, this Spanish Fly thing is weird. 939 00:42:46,689 --> 00:42:48,816 As a comic, I'm not going to judge 940 00:42:48,857 --> 00:42:50,776 every comic for every joke they tell. 941 00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:53,612 But Bill Cosby was still telling Spanish Fly jokes 942 00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:55,781 more than 20 years later. 943 00:42:55,823 --> 00:42:57,449 This is from 1991. 944 00:42:57,491 --> 00:42:58,617 Spanish Fly. 945 00:42:58,659 --> 00:42:59,952 We knew what it was. 946 00:42:59,994 --> 00:43:03,414 Spanish Fly was the thing that all boys 947 00:43:03,455 --> 00:43:07,126 from age 11 on up to death, 948 00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:10,921 we will still be searching for Spanish Fly. 949 00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:12,131 That's right. 950 00:43:12,172 --> 00:43:14,133 And what was the old-- the old story was, 951 00:43:14,174 --> 00:43:17,636 if you took a little drop-- it was on the head of a... 952 00:43:17,678 --> 00:43:19,096 Pin. 953 00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:22,057 Ugh, why does he know the dosage? 954 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:25,269 On the head of a pin. 955 00:43:25,311 --> 00:43:27,980 Oh, the famous Larry King Live   clip. 956 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,482 Lot of you've seen it. But did you know 957 00:43:30,524 --> 00:43:32,318 that he was there 958 00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:35,154 promoting his book Childhood, 959 00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:40,242 and Childhood   has an entire chapter about Spanish Fly? 960 00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:44,663 And Spanish Fly is mentioned in the book 15 times. 961 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:48,000 And you put it in her drink. Drop it into Coca-Cola. 962 00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:49,793 It doesn't matter. It doesn't make a-- 963 00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:51,170 and the girl would drink it, and... 964 00:43:51,211 --> 00:43:53,339 She's yours. Hello America. 965 00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:57,176 And he's on   Larry King Live, taking about the Spanish Fly. 966 00:43:57,217 --> 00:44:00,471 "You just got to put just a pin, just the head of a pin, 967 00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:02,681 and oh boy, God bless America"-- 968 00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:05,893 whoa, whoa. 969 00:44:05,934 --> 00:44:08,020 And Larry was like, "Yeah, tell us how you do it, huh? 970 00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:09,688 How is it, Cosby? How do you do it?" 971 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:12,274 And he's just talking about how to drug women. 972 00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:14,193 There was this narrative that it always been there 973 00:44:14,234 --> 00:44:16,362 in the undercurrent of his comedy 974 00:44:16,403 --> 00:44:19,073 about drugging women, 975 00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:22,368 that we had all mutually agreed to never talk about 976 00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:24,787 and to never connect the dots. 977 00:44:24,828 --> 00:44:28,207 What Cosby, from almost day one, was telling us 978 00:44:28,248 --> 00:44:30,000 that he was willing to, 979 00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:32,294 and didn't think anything was strange about, 980 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:33,837 putting things in women's drinks 981 00:44:33,879 --> 00:44:36,048 to get them to do what he wanted them to do. 982 00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:40,052 So when we fast forward, it's not a huge leap to think 983 00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:42,388 that what Cosby was talking about in the '60s 984 00:44:42,429 --> 00:44:44,306 he was doing. 985 00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:01,490 It was the end of '69. 986 00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:04,284 September 6th. 987 00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:06,495 I was under contract to Capitol Records 988 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:09,498 to do an album of my own songs. 989 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,042 I had a music attorney 990 00:45:12,084 --> 00:45:14,795 by the name of Martin Cohen. 991 00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:19,299 He was giving a party to celebrate my contract 992 00:45:19,341 --> 00:45:23,679 and his new wine cellar that he had just bought. 993 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:27,766 My son, Tony, and I were there. 994 00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:29,893 He had just turned six years old. 995 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,232 He was saving grasshoppers who were drowning 996 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:38,610 in the swimming pool. 997 00:45:38,652 --> 00:45:40,112 Martin told me to go in the house. 998 00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:41,572 His sister-in-law, I think, 999 00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:45,242 was coming up the steps with a case of wine. 1000 00:45:45,284 --> 00:45:48,746 Martin was still out by the pool. 1001 00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:51,248 Then he, all of a sudden, was in the kitchen 1002 00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:53,542 pulling bottles of wine out of the case and going, 1003 00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:55,627 "Oh, this is a great wine-- oh, where's Tony?" 1004 00:45:59,006 --> 00:46:02,009 And I ran outside. 1005 00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,137 Found him face down on the bottom 1006 00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:07,181 of the deep end of the pool. 1007 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:10,017 My beautiful wise little man. 1008 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:19,526 So at that point, my life was over. 1009 00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:24,364 1010 00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:27,284 What happened with Bill Cosby 1011 00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:29,369 was just a few short weeks 1012 00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:34,124 after my little boy drowned. 1013 00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:37,169 My roommate and I went to this restaurant 1014 00:46:37,211 --> 00:46:39,171 right next to the Whisky a Go Go. 1015 00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,840 It was like the new cool steakhouse on the Strip 1016 00:46:41,882 --> 00:46:44,927 called Sneaky Pete's. 1017 00:46:44,968 --> 00:46:47,513 I was just having a terrible, terrible day, 1018 00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:51,099 grieving, and Cosby came to our table. 1019 00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:54,686 He was chatting her up. 1020 00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:57,648 It was clear that they had their thing going, 1021 00:46:57,689 --> 00:46:59,691 so I was just sitting there, kind of rearranging the food 1022 00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:02,361 on my plate and glass of red wine, 1023 00:47:02,402 --> 00:47:03,821 and I wasn't participating, 1024 00:47:03,862 --> 00:47:06,990 and all of his corny jokes were not moving me. 1025 00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:10,202 And finally, he reached over 1026 00:47:10,244 --> 00:47:13,956 and put a pill next to my wine glass, 1027 00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:16,625 and said, "Take that. 1028 00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:20,546 It'll make you feel better. It'll make us all feel better." 1029 00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:24,049 And then he put a pill next to her glass, 1030 00:47:24,091 --> 00:47:28,262 and then he did like this, as if he was taking a pill. 1031 00:47:28,303 --> 00:47:31,849 The pill started kicking in, 1032 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:33,892 and suddenly, you know, 1033 00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:35,561 couldn't keep my head up, 1034 00:47:35,602 --> 00:47:39,940 and her head was bobbing in her plate, too, 1035 00:47:39,982 --> 00:47:44,903 and slurring words and feeling nauseated, 1036 00:47:44,945 --> 00:47:49,074 and I have this memory that he reached out 1037 00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:52,077 and put another pill in my mouth directly. 1038 00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:58,000 And it just got to the point, and I think it was me-- 1039 00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:01,670 it could have been her-- said, "I want to go home." 1040 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:04,131 So he said, "Okay. I'll take you." 1041 00:48:04,172 --> 00:48:06,341 We were probably not looking very good 1042 00:48:06,383 --> 00:48:10,012 to be in public with at that point. 1043 00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:12,598 So we went up to the parking lot. 1044 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,016 I got in the back seat, 1045 00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:15,893 and she was in the front with him, 1046 00:48:15,934 --> 00:48:17,561 and suddenly, we're going through 1047 00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:20,939 all those little windy Hollywood Hills streets, 1048 00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:25,193 and I'm in the back seat with spinners, 1049 00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,322 and then, all of a sudden, the car stopped. 1050 00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:32,409 There we were, parked kind of nose up, 1051 00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:33,785 and I looked, and there was 1052 00:48:33,827 --> 00:48:36,413 this--like a townhouse 1053 00:48:36,455 --> 00:48:39,374 kind of building. 1054 00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:44,338 And he said, "Oh, I want to show you girls my awards 1055 00:48:44,379 --> 00:48:48,008 and things," and I'm going-- I didn't want to go. 1056 00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:49,801 I didn't want to go anywhere. 1057 00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:52,596 I just wanted to go home and curl up in bed 1058 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:54,222 and maybe throw up. 1059 00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:57,976 And got in this little elevator, took us up. 1060 00:48:58,018 --> 00:49:00,979 I think it was to the second floor, 1061 00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:03,941 and opened the door, 1062 00:49:03,982 --> 00:49:05,734 and it was no office. 1063 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:08,695 And then she went over immediately 1064 00:49:08,737 --> 00:49:12,032 and sat on the love seat up against the wall 1065 00:49:12,074 --> 00:49:16,119 and keeled over on her side, just...like that. 1066 00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:18,580 And I sat down on the love seat 1067 00:49:18,622 --> 00:49:21,083 and just put my head back. 1068 00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:23,919 And I don't know whether I passed out or what. 1069 00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:26,922 All of a sudden, I remember, everything was so silent, 1070 00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:30,008 it woke me up, and I remember looking around 1071 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:33,303 and seeing him sitting next to her, 1072 00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:36,598 and he was just looking down on her and looking down, 1073 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,726 looking down, and she was completely out of it. 1074 00:49:39,768 --> 00:49:42,020 Gone. 1075 00:49:42,062 --> 00:49:44,940 And I realized instantly by the look on his face 1076 00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:48,777 and bulge in his pants, what was going to happen next, 1077 00:49:48,819 --> 00:49:53,156 and so I started reaching over and going... 1078 00:49:53,198 --> 00:49:56,994 I was trying to say something, but what was in my head 1079 00:49:57,035 --> 00:50:00,288 and was coming out of my mouth, it just sounded like garble. 1080 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:02,290 He kept ignoring me, 1081 00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:05,377 and then he started getting this irritated look on his face 1082 00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:07,504 because I was distracting him. 1083 00:50:07,546 --> 00:50:09,840 And then he finally started getting so annoyed 1084 00:50:09,881 --> 00:50:11,967 and I could just see this whole-- 1085 00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:15,053 his face changing, you know, this anger coming over, 1086 00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,639 and he stood up, and he came walking towards me, 1087 00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:19,975 and I got panicky, and I stood up 1088 00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,477 and then lost my balance and grabbed onto him, 1089 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,229 and the next thing I knew, I was on my knees 1090 00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:27,566 in front of the sofa, and... 1091 00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:29,234 well... 1092 00:50:31,945 --> 00:50:34,281 He orally raped me, 1093 00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:37,409 and then he stood me up and bent me over 1094 00:50:37,451 --> 00:50:41,079 and did me doggy style and split. 1095 00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:44,750 And as he's going out the door, I said... 1096 00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:48,128 "How are we going--how are we getting out of here?" 1097 00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:50,547 And he-- how are we getting home? 1098 00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:53,091 And he just pointed-- he didn't even look at me. 1099 00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:57,095 He pointed to the desk, and he said, "Call a cab," 1100 00:50:57,137 --> 00:50:59,139 and he slammed the door. 1101 00:50:59,181 --> 00:51:02,934 And the horrible thing is, I said "Thank you." 1102 00:51:05,979 --> 00:51:08,774 For years, every time I'd drive down the Strip, 1103 00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:11,610 I'd have to look away when I passed that street 1104 00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:14,654 because I--you know, my stomach would twist. 1105 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,618 Here, he had taken advantage of my grief 1106 00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:22,454 and had no compassion, no empathy. 1107 00:51:22,496 --> 00:51:23,789 He didn't care. 1108 00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:25,749 I was just the sacrificial lamb. 1109 00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:28,543 I was collateral damage. He didn't get what he wanted 1110 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:32,214 from my roommate, so he took it out on me. 1111 00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:40,472 Well, I don't think I ever told her the details 1112 00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:45,018 because I was so humiliated. I was so ashamed. 1113 00:51:46,812 --> 00:51:48,939 Never told anybody. 1114 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:52,692 I mean, told them that he had gotten us drugged out, 1115 00:51:52,734 --> 00:51:55,278 or that, you know, that he wasn't the nice person 1116 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,155 that everybody thought he was, 1117 00:51:57,197 --> 00:52:01,827 but I never said what he specifically did to me. 1118 00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:03,578 I couldn't. 1119 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:06,456 I couldn't even think about it, because you use the words, 1120 00:52:06,498 --> 00:52:08,708 then you have the images, then you have the feelings, 1121 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:13,046 and then you, you know, are washed with self-loathing. 1122 00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:15,841 I never talked about it. 1123 00:52:15,882 --> 00:52:18,009 I never told anybody any of the dirty details 1124 00:52:18,051 --> 00:52:20,679 for years and years and years. 1125 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,348 I didn't know that there were other women. 1126 00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:25,517 I just thought it was me. 1127 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:27,352 So he drove you to an office, 1128 00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:29,437 some sort of a place that was not his home, 1129 00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:31,439 and then, what did he do? Correct. 1130 00:52:31,481 --> 00:52:35,694 Opened his fly and had me... 1131 00:52:35,735 --> 00:52:37,821 perform oral sex 1132 00:52:37,863 --> 00:52:41,658 and then raped me. 1133 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,034 I think for many of us, 1134 00:52:43,076 --> 00:52:45,036 the hardest thing about the Bill Cosby situation 1135 00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:47,080 is that we loved him for such a long time 1136 00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:51,001 before we ever heard about any of the allegations. 1137 00:52:51,042 --> 00:52:53,587 It feels like new information. 1138 00:52:53,628 --> 00:52:58,258 But long before he was America's dad, 1139 00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,052 long before he was himself, 1140 00:53:01,094 --> 00:53:05,557 before we watched him on Saturday morning cartoons, 1141 00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,934 before I was even born... 1142 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,899 The guys that frightened me the most were the monsters. 1143 00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:17,402 From almost the very start of his career, 1144 00:53:17,444 --> 00:53:20,363 Cosby is alleged to have been sexually assaulting 1145 00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:21,990 and raping women. 1146 00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:23,909 He prepares a cocktail for you. 1147 00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:25,994 Yes, a bourbon and seven. 1148 00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:28,914 I must have passed out again, because when I awaken, 1149 00:53:28,955 --> 00:53:31,333 I found myself on a bed. 1150 00:53:31,374 --> 00:53:33,585 He had his hand on the back of my head. 1151 00:53:33,627 --> 00:53:35,253 She says he then tried 1152 00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:37,255 to force her to perform oral sex. 1153 00:53:37,297 --> 00:53:39,341 I had ordered a Coca-Cola. 1154 00:53:39,382 --> 00:53:41,676 I have never been a drinker. 1155 00:53:41,718 --> 00:53:45,180 And that was when things began to become blurry. 1156 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:49,100 What I do remember next was waking up naked 1157 00:53:49,142 --> 00:53:50,393 in a bed alone. 1158 00:53:50,435 --> 00:53:51,728 I turned around, and there was 1159 00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:53,104 nobody in the room at all, 1160 00:53:53,146 --> 00:53:55,232 just him and I. He grabbed me. 1161 00:53:55,273 --> 00:53:58,985 He had me up against him and kissed me in the mouth. 1162 00:53:59,027 --> 00:54:02,197 And I just pushed him, and I ran down the hallway. 1163 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,575 I was on   The Tonight Show. 1164 00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:07,369 I was in my dressing room. 1165 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:08,995 He opened the door. 1166 00:54:09,037 --> 00:54:10,664 He came up to me, 1167 00:54:10,705 --> 00:54:13,250 zippered down his pants, 1168 00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:16,753 and put my head on his penis. 1169 00:54:16,795 --> 00:54:18,004 When I awakened, 1170 00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:20,298 I was naked in the bed beside him. 1171 00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:23,969 I couldn't move or speak. I felt paralyzed. 1172 00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:26,721 He flipped me over and sexually assaulted me. 1173 00:54:26,763 --> 00:54:27,889 And I had a headache, 1174 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,432 and he brought back a capsule. 1175 00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:30,809 He wouldn't tell me what was in it 1176 00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:32,811 and was like, "Well, don't you trust me?" 1177 00:54:32,852 --> 00:54:34,562 Well, of course I do. It was Bill Cosby. 1178 00:54:34,604 --> 00:54:36,731 He starting grabbing at my chest. 1179 00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,985 Then he started to push himself on top of me. 1180 00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:41,319 That's when I panicked. 1181 00:54:41,361 --> 00:54:43,321 I opened the door and ran out of his car. 1182 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:47,492 I came to with him taking off my underwear. 1183 00:54:47,534 --> 00:54:50,078 He pulled me up by my hair 1184 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,082 and shoved his penis in my mouth, 1185 00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:57,544 and I thought in that instant that people are going to find 1186 00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:00,880 a naked body in a canyon somewhere. 1187 00:55:00,922 --> 00:55:02,924 1188 00:55:02,966 --> 00:55:06,511 Even though he was like the kind of center of morality, 1189 00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:09,347 then and all throughout his career, 1190 00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:11,975 it turns out that just behind the curtain, 1191 00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:15,395 there was the most immoral shit you could imagine going on. 1192 00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,274 But we didn't know about any of that. 1193 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:23,361 The Bill Cosby we knew was going through some changes, 1194 00:55:23,403 --> 00:55:26,614 like Black folks all over America. 1195 00:55:26,656 --> 00:55:28,533 Dr. Martin Luther King 1196 00:55:28,575 --> 00:55:31,286 has been shot to death in Memphis, Tennessee. 1197 00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:32,954 In the late '60s, 1198 00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:36,958 you have this shift in the culture, 1199 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,462 and it creates the opportunity 1200 00:55:40,503 --> 00:55:44,466 for a new representation of Blackness. 1201 00:55:44,507 --> 00:55:46,051 I am-- I am-- 1202 00:55:46,092 --> 00:55:47,886 Black. Black. 1203 00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:49,346 But as the culture shifted, 1204 00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:54,351 Black performers started to shift. 1205 00:55:54,392 --> 00:55:57,395 Cosby uses this moment to transform his image 1206 00:55:57,437 --> 00:56:00,565 from late-night comedian to radical educator. 1207 00:56:00,607 --> 00:56:03,276 Black people have to go out and burn up the neighborhood 1208 00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:07,238 in order to get the community to see what's going on. 1209 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,907 And this point is critical, 1210 00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:11,576 because it's Bill Cosby's focus on education 1211 00:56:11,618 --> 00:56:14,621 that sows the seeds for the rest of his career. 1212 00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:19,209 And nobody could have imagined how big that career would get. 1213 00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:20,794 When we turned on the TV, 1214 00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:24,005 it was almost impossible not to see Bill Cosby. 1215 00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:26,716 He was our teacher, and he was funny. 1216 00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:28,301 And now welcome the star of the show. 1217 00:56:28,343 --> 00:56:30,220 Everybody knew the show was happening, 1218 00:56:30,261 --> 00:56:32,097 this show called The Cosby Show. 1219 00:56:32,138 --> 00:56:33,640 I mean, there was just no way to know 1220 00:56:33,681 --> 00:56:37,143 how much America would fall in love with this man. 1221 00:56:37,185 --> 00:56:39,437 You started hearing these things 1222 00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:42,899 that this guy is not who he appears to be. 1223 00:56:42,941 --> 00:56:46,444 We all know Bill Cosby as America's dad. 1224 00:56:46,486 --> 00:56:48,780 What in the world did you think was going on? 1225 00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:52,534 He constructed himself as a role model. 1226 00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:57,247 There is a time when we have to turn the mirror around. 1227 00:56:57,288 --> 00:57:01,918 He became a cultural icon, hero, 1228 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,337 not only for Black people, but for all people. 1229 00:57:04,379 --> 00:57:05,505 Thank you. 1230 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,048 He looked at me, and he said, 1231 00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:08,383 "Fooled them again." 1232 00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:09,801 And suddenly, this is 1233 00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:11,469 no longer a rumbling underneath the ground. 1234 00:57:11,511 --> 00:57:13,388 I have to ask about your name 1235 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,432 coming up in the news recently. 1236 00:57:15,473 --> 00:57:17,308 No, no, you don't answer that. 1237 00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:20,645 It was impossible to comprehend, impossible. 1238 00:57:20,687 --> 00:57:23,314 It was just like...no. 1239 00:57:23,356 --> 00:57:25,650 Not Bill Cosby. 1240 00:57:25,692 --> 00:57:27,819 I'm Bill Cosby, 1241 00:57:27,861 --> 00:57:30,155 and you take care of yourself. 97656

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