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We are speeding.
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Sound, speed.
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Oh, there he is.
Yeah, me too.
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On my mark.
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Oh, man.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, I don't--I can't.
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Oh, fuck.
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It's complex, Kamau, you know?
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Pioneering TV personality.
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Grammy award-winning recording artist.
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He was like a spokesperson for fudge pudding.
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Is that the case?
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Oh, boy.
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He's one of the most
successful comics in history.
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He is known as America's dad.
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Or, quote-unquote, "monster."
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The juxtaposition is just bananas.
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He was someone to believe in
and someone to trust.
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But he wasn't the nice person
that everybody thought he was.
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I Look forward to seeing Bill Cosby again
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in a court of law.
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Should I even be talking about this guy?
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Uh-uh.
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I know I'm gonna get in trouble.
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Deep Black girl sigh.
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Um...
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Bill Cosby is...
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One of the biggest predators in Hollywood.
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He's a rapist who had a really big TV show once.
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An example of...
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the complexity of...humanity.
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What do you think, Kamau?
What do you think?
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Bill Cosby--
Whoa--
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Yeah, oh, no, it's--
they heard.
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Everybody heard.
Everybody heard.
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That's what happened.
That's what happened.
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Nobody heard, and then everybody heard.
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Can you still listen to his comedy?
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Oh, yeah.
I can't listen to it now.
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No--oh, you can't?
I can't separate it.
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You can't separate it?
42-year-old Black comedian.
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Obviously, Bill Cosby was a hero of mine.
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They've destroyed Bill Cosby's career and life.
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If they wanted to hurt him,
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the first thing they should've taken away
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was his medicine cabinet.
What this is about--
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the obliteration of legacy.
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And some of them really
is un-rapeable, when you--
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The worst part about
Cosby was he was a hypocrite,
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and I said, "I don't think
that was the worst part."
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Bill Cosby is the focus
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of a police investigation...
We're talking about
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rape--that's a--
that's a tough thing.
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But wow, every one of those stories...is true.
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I would be this boring house dad,
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and Bill Cosby would be in jail.
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In the last few years,
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there's been a lotta talk about Bill Cosby...
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Without me...knowing all the ins and outs
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of his case...
A lotta jokes...
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I put the pills in the people.
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Panels...
There was a prosecutorial
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agreement that was...
News reports...
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The man once beloved as America's dad...
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Breakdowns...
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Then filed a civil suit...
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IG Lives...
I know I got
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mad questions for Bill.
Tweets...
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"- Cosby is guilty.
I'm sorry if you loved a lie."
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This...
My hat's off to him.
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Happy pimpin', Bill.
Honestly,
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it feels like everybody's weighed in...even me.
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Go home, Bill.
Just go home.
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While we've said a lot of things,
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it feels like we haven't gotten to the root
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of the discussion.
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What do we do about everything
we knew about Bill Cosby
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and what we know now?
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Even though it scares me,
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I feel like I have to have this discussion.
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Who knows anymore, but--
Why?
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I am a child of Bill Cosby.
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You know what I mean.
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Please welcome W. Kamau Bell!
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I'm a Black man,
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I'm a stand-up comic,
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I was born in the '70s.
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That's the whole story.-
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Hey, hey, hey!
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I was raised by Fat Albert...
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Fat Albert!
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Picture Pages...
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Lip, sip.
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The Cosby Show.
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Think about who I am and what I am.
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Bill Cosby himself showed me
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that you could be smart
and funny in equal measure.
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Why did you do it?
"I don't know."
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But then...
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Bill Cosby, three words for you.
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Guilty...
Guilty, guilty!
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Cosby, 80 years old,
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was convicted today of three counts
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of aggravated indecent assault.
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Mr. Cosby, are you prepared to go to prison, sir?
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How do we talk about Bill Cosby?
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There's all the good he did...
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and all the other things
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that I and many other people
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believe he did.
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So I invited some people to sit down
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and have the difficult
conversation about Bill Cosby.
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And although lots of people said no,
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thankfully, some intelligent,
brave, and funny folks
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said yes.
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There's some times
where you just have to show up.
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That's a wrap.
Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
Okay, thank you.
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Thank you very much--thank you.
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All right, Kamau.
Take care. Bless you.
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And just when I thought
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we had all the conversations we needed...
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Breaking news about Bill Cosby.
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The comedian was just released from prison.
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We love you, Mr. Cosby!
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So let's start at the beginning,
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when America met Bill Cosby.
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...who's become a big hit
in a small period of time.
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He's clever, inventive, fresh,
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and something other young
comedians sometimes neglect--
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he's darn funny.
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A promising comedian
who has kept every promise--
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Bill Cosby.
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See this?
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He didn't mention,
"This first Negro comic."
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He just said a comedian.
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He looked so, so innocent.
Handsome.
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As when I was a kid,
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I used to go to the movies every Saturday.
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And I--to start off,
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the guys that frightened me
the most were the monsters.
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Yeah, he was so likable.
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1963, Bill Cosby appears
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And blew everybody away.
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I think she'd have trouble
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trying to punch out Frankenstein, you know.
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Break his knee cap!
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That kind of thing.
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Good laughs.
He ripped it on that.
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That's a rip in 1960-whatever.
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And they didn't have a lot of Black people
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on the Jack Paar show.
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He didn't see not one of his
faces in the audience, like,
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"Oh, shit, oh, shit."
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So Cosby was kind of in a special place.
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His trajectory from his first stand-up gig
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to his first appearance on TV was very short.
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A few years before
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he begins to do stand-up,
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Bill Cosby was a freshman at Temple University.
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He decides to take up bartending
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at this place called the Cellar in Philadelphia.
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While he's there, he decides to, you know,
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tell jokes to the customers.
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He's like the most popular bartender.
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'Cause he's figuring out
"Oh, this comedy stuff
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that I did in class kind of
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His boss actually is the one who says,
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"Hey, you should try stand-up."
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Football can be combined with history,
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as I found out sitting in history class
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He starts doing comedy in '62 in the Village
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doing sets in between the folk singers.
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Most amateur comics are shaky,
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they don't have their voice yet.
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Bill Cosby had full confidence.
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Pretty much immediately.
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It took him only one year to go from
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raw, novice beginner
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to an A-level stand-up.
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And people saw him right away
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and was like "Oh, this guy is something special."
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Our next guest has a unique
quality that made him a star.
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Bill Cosby.-
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I attended Temple University.
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Physical education major.
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Now, I hear some of you laughing.
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Phys Ed, ha ha.
You're dumb.
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He presented himself as
the nice, young, college guy
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that you wouldn't mind
having come over for dinner.
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Good evening.
Good evening.
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Bill Cosby, with just one look or just
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one reaction, could make people laugh.
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He was so gifted as a physical comedian, too.
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The sort of sound effects he uses,
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the way he vacillates
between various characters
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just through his voice.
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Charlie, take the reins!
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Cosby, I can't drive.
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All of these things were really unique to Cosby,
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and since then, everyone has imitated that.
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He was just the best storyteller.
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Car skidding back and forth.
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Kind of kept me awake, you know?
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Oh, almost died that time.
Yes, that's great.
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To have a funny story,
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to have people continuously laughing--
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you know, that's what Cosby was a master at.
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Every Saturday, we used to have go-kart races.
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As a little girl, all I knew was that
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whatever Bill was doing
made my grandmother laugh,
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made everybody in the house laugh,
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and made me feel good.
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Bill Cosby, he's the...
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storyteller who is clean,
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but not corny, right?
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He doesn't curse, but he still
has some edge to him.
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I hit a tree.
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Soon as I hit the tree,
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I remembered in my glove compartment,
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I've got nine old moving violation tickets.
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That was a big part
of the appeal of Bill Cosby.
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You could watch him and enjoy him
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as an educated and cool Black man.
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You know, you just didn't see
lot of Black people on TV.
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And you're funny too.
Yes, I hope so.
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We shall
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Overcome
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We shall overcome
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The '60s in America
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are just a tremendously turbulent period.
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energetic funk music
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I have a dream
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one day, this nation will rise up,
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live out the true meaning of its creed.
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The President of the United States is dead.
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All of those things are happening at once.
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So it's a really chaotic time in America.
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You're not going to see any of this
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in Bill Cosby's comedy from the time.
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What Bill Cosby is doing
is talking about Noah's Ark.
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Who is that?
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It's the Lord, Noah.
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Right.
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Bill Cosby is saying things of substance,
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but he's not making people uncomfortable,
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he's not making people look at themselves.
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What's an eye?-
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He's not Dick Gregory.
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I feel sorry for Willie.
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I hate to see any baseball
player having troubles,
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'cause that's the great sport
for my people.
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That is the only sport in the world
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where a Negro can shake a stick at a white man
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and won't start no riot.-
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1961, two years before Bill Cosby appears
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on The Jack Paar Program,
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Dick Gregory comes on the scene.
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He's the first African American comic
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to play to white audiences,
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and he did something that people thought
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couldn't possibly have been done before,
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which was talk about race, talk about racism,
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talk about the civil rights era.
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When a Negros in Chicago
move into one large area,
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and it look like we might control the votes,
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they don't say anything to us.
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They have a slum clearance.-
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Dick Gregory talked about race
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in front of their face.
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Dick was sittin' on a stool
smoking a cigarette.
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It was almost like
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nigga, what are you doing?
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The color line was broken by Dick Gregory
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when he plays the Playboy Club
in January of 1961.
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jazz music
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Playboy starts to establish these clubs
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all over the United States
and the world in the 1960s.
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They often featured up-and-coming
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or otherwise popular but controversial comedians.
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In other words, a stripper in the burlesque house
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starting to, goes "Here it is, boys."
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La-da-da-da, it's cool.
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But let her do that in the
public park on the way home
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and her ass is in jail.
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And Hefner purposely brought on
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African American entertainers,
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and that was one of the ways in which
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he was trying to express his support
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for the civil rights movement and integration.
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Dick Gregory playing the Playboy Club
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and gets huge national press.
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He gets on the Jack Paar Tonight Show,
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opens the door.
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He is, what they say, the
Jackie Robinson of night clubs.
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So now, all these night club dates
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are available to a young, Black comedian
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who, ten years earlier,
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Bill Cosby would have been on something
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called the Chitlin' Circuit.
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He would have played primarily Black clubs
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in Black neighborhoods and Black theaters.
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Dick Gregory breaks the color lines
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right before Bill Cosby hit.
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All serves up this guy perfectly.
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Even though by the time
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Bill Cosby made it to television
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he was sort of the alternative to Dick Gregory,
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early in his career, Cosby
wanted to be Dick Gregory.
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There's an article
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in The New York Times
where he's quoted as saying
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he's the Philadelphia Dick Gregory.
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At that time, a lot of his stand-up material
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dealt with race and racial issues.
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This the great mystery of Bill Cosby.
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Something happened from that
New York Times article
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to several months later
with different managers he has
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that he decides to drop all
references to racial strife,
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being a Black guy in America,
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like, removed his race
from his comedic equation.
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Once Bill Cosby decides
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he's not going to be confrontational
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like Dick Gregory,
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the press sees him in a new way.
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They call him "raceless,"
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which white people often think
is a compliment. Hm.
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What was important to him at that moment
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was having a successful career
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as a Black man in an industry
that didn't have many.
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The number of gatekeepers
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in the TV industry was tiny.
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They were all white.
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Bill Cosby in the '60s had to fit into
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a very, very narrow definition
of what a Black man could be.
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The term was "nonthreatening."
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Dick Gregory never had a television sitcom.
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He very rarely appeared on variety shows
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because he didn't fit
whatever that white, Hollywood
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prejudicial concept of "nonthreatening" was.
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Bill Cosby filled that role.
355
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He wasn't ruffling any feathers with race.
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He wasn't protesting, he wasn't making
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great political announcements about anything.
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I think that was just very comforting
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to all of these white people
he had to work for.
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You know, they didn't want
someone who was going to say,
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"Well, we need to talk about
the March on Washington."
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00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:43,651
I'm not sure Bill Cosby went
to the March on Washington.
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00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:46,445
One of the things that Dr. King
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00:15:46,487 --> 00:15:49,156
often said to folks in Hollywood was,
365
00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:51,617
"Look, you do what you do."
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Even if you were not in the streets,
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you still had tremendous value to the movement.
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I became interested in the civil rights struggle
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out of a necessity to survive.
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Because what you are presenting to America
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00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:08,676
is a view of African Americans
that needs to be seen
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00:16:08,717 --> 00:16:10,844
that Black folks were not criminals,
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00:16:10,886 --> 00:16:13,806
that Black folks were not poor, illiterate.
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00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:16,350
They call me Mr. Tibbs!
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That is critically important
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00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:20,229
to the work of a civil rights movement.
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00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:22,064
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I think his later-articulated
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00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,067
vision of Black progress
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that could best be described as incrementalism,
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which is get on, get your money,
382
00:16:30,906 --> 00:16:33,534
and then help the Black people
out that you can.
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00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:34,994
And one of the best ways to do that
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00:16:35,035 --> 00:16:38,163
is by being the safe, compromised choice.
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00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:41,000
386
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387
00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:46,714
Ladies and gentlemen,
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00:16:46,755 --> 00:16:49,174
this afternoon, we're over on Paradise Road
389
00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:53,637
visiting with one of television's top producers.
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00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,348
He's an actor turned writer turned director
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00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,267
turned producer, Mr. Sheldon Leonard.
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00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:01,395
Sheldon Leonard was like
a real mogul in those days.
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00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:04,440
First, may I apologize
for this very informal garb?
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He had a big track record
395
00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:08,068
of hit television programming.
396
00:17:08,110 --> 00:17:12,489
So Sheldon Leonard heard about
Bill Cosby and thought hey,
397
00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:15,826
this guy would be great for a new TV show.
398
00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:18,662
energetic suspenseful music
399
00:17:18,704 --> 00:17:20,080
400
00:17:20,122 --> 00:17:23,459
See, even cool titles.
Very '60s.
401
00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,463
402
00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:32,801
403
00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:34,094
Everything about it's cool.
404
00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:36,513
It's got the whole James Bond vibe.
405
00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:39,516
I just remembered tennis, pretty women,
406
00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,727
and punching guys.
407
00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:43,771
That to me was kind of
the essence of the show.
408
00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,230
And at 12, you go, "That's cool."
409
00:17:45,272 --> 00:17:48,358
upbeat music
410
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,612
When this relatively unknown
guy named Bill Cosby
411
00:17:51,653 --> 00:17:55,449
gets this premier role on I Spy,
412
00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:58,202
it's a watershed moment.
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00:17:58,243 --> 00:18:00,079
Television history instantly changed.
414
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,331
This is the first time
that a Black man's gonna be
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00:18:02,372 --> 00:18:03,791
the star of a series.
416
00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:07,294
417
00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,797
"I Spy" was an espionage-type
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00:18:09,838 --> 00:18:11,924
television series.
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00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:14,426
It costarred Robert Culp
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00:18:14,468 --> 00:18:17,763
and Bill Cosby as spies.
421
00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:21,350
Robert Culp was a tennis pro,
and he was his valet.
422
00:18:21,391 --> 00:18:23,811
But really, they were traveling
all over the world,
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00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:26,939
trying to undermine, um, uh...
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00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:28,023
communists.
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00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:30,317
Or whatever other threat there was.
426
00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,485
Kind of absurd.
427
00:18:31,527 --> 00:18:34,238
428
00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,823
429
00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:38,867
You know, in the earliest days of television,
430
00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:43,163
many of the Black characters were kinda holdovers
431
00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:45,666
or carry overs from the film industry.
432
00:18:45,707 --> 00:18:47,459
You gonna put your shoes on?
433
00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:51,338
No, I'm saving them in case my feet wear out.
434
00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,841
You talk about a Stepin Fetchit,
435
00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:58,137
Eddie "Rochester" Anderson, or Willie Best.
436
00:18:58,178 --> 00:18:59,638
Chicken house?
Uh-huh.
437
00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,515
What am I waiting for?
I don't know.
438
00:19:01,557 --> 00:19:03,225
Me, either.
439
00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:06,395
These were the images of Black people in film
440
00:19:06,436 --> 00:19:08,021
and later, I think,
441
00:19:08,063 --> 00:19:11,275
many of those images you could
see on television as well.
442
00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:13,152
Amos'n Andy.
443
00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:18,073
Lipstick.
Let's see that lipstick now.
444
00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,033
Hmm.
445
00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,661
446
00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,122
Black people are represented
447
00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:30,002
as childlike, slow.
448
00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:31,587
You know, if it's a woman,
449
00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:36,383
either you have the sort
of overly-sexualized Jezebel,
450
00:19:36,425 --> 00:19:39,595
or you have the asexual, Black mammy.
451
00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:42,264
I mean, it was just the worst representation
452
00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:44,975
you could possibly imagine.
453
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:48,312
The reason a Bill Cosby stands out in the '60s is
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00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:52,608
because he's not playing these
old, stereotypical Black roles.
455
00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:55,986
The images that Bill
Cosby was fighting against
456
00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:57,571
weren't from the distant past.
457
00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:59,698
Lot of this stuff was still on TV.
458
00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:01,992
When I Spy first went on the air,
459
00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:03,994
Amos 'n Andy was still in syndication.
460
00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:08,081
Oh, what wouldn't I give to
hear a wooden doorstop again.
461
00:20:08,123 --> 00:20:09,499
So you could watch this...
462
00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:11,001
Has there been any further contact?
463
00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:12,920
Flip the channel, and see this.
464
00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:16,256
Oh, yeah, that's what it is.
A cigarette lighter!
465
00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:19,509
Oh, yeah.
Sure, Andy.
466
00:20:19,551 --> 00:20:22,054
And in order to make the thing work,
467
00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:24,932
all you got to do is take it like this.
468
00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:27,768
Who thinks Black guys
don't know what a gun is?
469
00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:29,895
Bill Cosby was this cool,
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00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:33,315
suave character who also was the smart one.
471
00:20:33,357 --> 00:20:35,984
And that is not hypothesis.
That is fact.
472
00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,737
Alexander Scott, the Bill Cosby character,
473
00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:42,658
He's a Rhodes Scholar.
He speaks multiple languages.
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00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:46,995
He's a karate expert.
475
00:20:47,037 --> 00:20:50,666
He's not just a spy, he's a Superman.
476
00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:53,001
He's everything you don't see
477
00:20:53,043 --> 00:20:54,795
in Black characters on television.
478
00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:55,963
You all right?
479
00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:58,465
Yeah, yeah, everything's fine, man.
480
00:20:58,507 --> 00:20:59,800
My family's fine.
481
00:20:59,841 --> 00:21:01,635
peaceful orchestral music
482
00:21:01,677 --> 00:21:04,972
I was like every little kid in America
483
00:21:05,013 --> 00:21:07,557
who looked up to him.
My parents looked up to him.
484
00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,727
My father looked up to him from I Spy, you know?
485
00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,604
White people in Southern Indiana were
486
00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:16,817
inviting this Black man
into their home every week
487
00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:18,944
and not clicking off the TV.
488
00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:22,948
He had a kind of mystique
489
00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:27,327
of a change agent,
not just an actor or performer.
490
00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:30,831
He was a significant cultural figure.
491
00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:34,376
492
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,257
No.
493
00:21:42,676 --> 00:21:43,844
No.
494
00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:53,020
No.
No. See, that's incredible.
495
00:21:53,061 --> 00:21:55,188
Okay, in a Bond--Bond film--
496
00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,024
excuse me, I have to tell you this story.
497
00:21:57,065 --> 00:21:59,276
Say live and let die
498
00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:02,529
499
00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:05,365
We were filming Live and Let Die
500
00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:08,160
with Roger Moore and Gloria Hendry,
501
00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:11,621
the first Mrs. Bond of color,
502
00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:14,499
and the first love interest.
503
00:22:14,541 --> 00:22:17,210
So here I am coming in the door.
504
00:22:17,252 --> 00:22:19,963
That hand is standing at the door, this cigar,
505
00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:23,133
and he flips this body over.
506
00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:24,968
That's not me.-
507
00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:26,887
They didn't have a woman of color
508
00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,555
to play my role to do that stunt.
509
00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:31,725
It was a white man
510
00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:34,186
dressed in a white outfit,
511
00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:39,024
sleeveless, and you could see
they colored his skin black.
512
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:42,944
Also, when I was killed in
Jamaica with the scarecrow,
513
00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,739
they didn't have anybody
of my hue to play that.
514
00:22:45,781 --> 00:22:47,741
515
00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:49,368
So I'm lying on the grass
516
00:22:49,409 --> 00:22:51,078
with all those ants eating me up.
517
00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:57,167
There you go, sir.
Thanks for your patience.
518
00:23:00,087 --> 00:23:02,589
Been doing this a long time.
519
00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:08,678
Never dreamed of it.
Never thought of it.
520
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,263
Yes, sir.
Be right with you.
521
00:23:10,305 --> 00:23:13,350
It's while Bill Cosby's filming I Spy...
522
00:23:14,976 --> 00:23:18,563
Sees a white stuntman putting
on essentially blackface.
523
00:23:18,605 --> 00:23:20,440
524
00:23:20,482 --> 00:23:25,529
At the time, it was in 1958 and up to '65,
525
00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:28,448
if they had a Black actor
that that needed a stuntman,
526
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:30,450
they painted a white actor black
527
00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:32,702
and had him do the stunt.
528
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:41,378
No, I mean black.
They painted him black.
529
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:43,130
It's a horrible-looking thing,
530
00:23:43,171 --> 00:23:45,632
but they got away with it for years.
531
00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:49,636
Bill looked at it and said,
"This will never happen again.
532
00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:51,471
"I know we in Los Angeles.
533
00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:54,683
"You can find a Black stuntman to double me."
534
00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:56,977
535
00:23:57,018 --> 00:24:00,480
When I came in, I changed all of that.
536
00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:02,858
When I first started in the movie business,
537
00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:05,819
I was working as an extra on Gomer Pyle show.
538
00:24:05,861 --> 00:24:08,530
See, I want a 100% PFC platoon.
539
00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:10,824
And Sheldon, when he came on the set,
540
00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:13,285
and he saw me stand up as a Marine.
541
00:24:13,326 --> 00:24:15,036
Said, "Who's that guy standing over there?"
542
00:24:15,078 --> 00:24:16,705
He said, "That's Calvin Brown."
543
00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:18,165
Said, "He look like Bill Cosby.
544
00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,584
Tell him to come out.
I need to talk to him."
545
00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:22,335
Because if he could do stunts,
546
00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:25,005
he no longer working
for Gomer Pyle as an extra.
547
00:24:25,046 --> 00:24:27,841
He working for I Spy as a stuntman.
548
00:24:28,884 --> 00:24:31,887
Just that quick and just that lucky.
549
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:43,857
That's actually the origin
of how Black stunt performers
550
00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:45,317
came into the business.
551
00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:48,945
Calvin Brown was his initial stunt double,
552
00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:52,699
and my grandfather also doubled
for him and Greg Elam.
553
00:24:52,741 --> 00:24:54,159
All of these pioneers
554
00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:57,204
that have gone on to have incredible careers
555
00:24:57,245 --> 00:24:59,456
to become second unit directors,
556
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,334
to become stunt coordinators.
557
00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:05,003
It's created an entire industry for people
558
00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:08,131
that did not have jobs before.
559
00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:12,219
If fact, I was the first
Black guy to get on a contract
560
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:15,680
on a live show, just for stunt purpose only.
561
00:25:15,722 --> 00:25:18,141
Any time Bill needed a stuntman,
562
00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:21,561
I was already available for that show.
563
00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:25,357
That is--
I had never heard that story.
564
00:25:25,398 --> 00:25:29,236
But you know, that tells me
that Bill Cosby was doing
565
00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:31,738
what he could do to effect change
566
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:33,573
on behalf of Black people.
567
00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:35,325
He made a huge impact.
568
00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:36,826
So what the hell else we got to do?
569
00:25:36,868 --> 00:25:39,371
Fantastic.
See, that's what I'm saying.
570
00:25:39,412 --> 00:25:41,748
That's the Cosby I know.
571
00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:44,209
And that's what I have to understand.
572
00:25:44,251 --> 00:25:46,670
Human beings are human beings.
573
00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:51,591
So to put all of that--
oh, it's difficult.
574
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,386
Mr. Poitier was very instrumental,
575
00:25:54,427 --> 00:25:56,596
and Mr. Belafonte was very instrumental
576
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:59,808
in the progression of Black stuntmen.
577
00:25:59,849 --> 00:26:03,061
But it was Bill Cosby who stood up
578
00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:04,479
and took that first initial risk
579
00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:05,981
to say,
580
00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:08,608
"I need a Black person to double me,
581
00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:10,360
and that's that, period."
582
00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:15,782
583
00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:18,994
I am a documentary film producer
584
00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,370
currently producing
585
00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:22,664
Breaking Bones, Breaking Barriers,
586
00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:25,834
about the history of Black stunt performers.
587
00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:28,295
My grandfather is Ernie Robinson.
588
00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:31,256
He is one of the first
Black stuntmen in Hollywood
589
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:34,551
to fight for diversity and inclusion
590
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,054
for women and minorities in stunts.
591
00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:41,808
I interviewed Bill Cosby in 2014.
592
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:43,476
Oh my gosh.
593
00:26:43,518 --> 00:26:47,147
When I think about that interview, I beam.
594
00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:49,816
It was so unbelievable.
595
00:26:49,858 --> 00:26:52,777
He invited our crew to his home.
596
00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:55,155
As an African American
filmmaker, and I'm a woman,
597
00:26:55,196 --> 00:26:57,991
and I was a part of a Cosby generation,
598
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,160
for me, it was just--
599
00:27:00,201 --> 00:27:03,079
it was unimaginable
that this could be possible,
600
00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:05,957
that this was happening.
601
00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:09,502
I had not really heard
anything about allegations
602
00:27:09,544 --> 00:27:11,504
prior to my interview with him,
603
00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:14,674
so I started learning about it
after our interview.
604
00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:25,644
I was at a loss for words.
605
00:27:25,685 --> 00:27:27,729
I was very angry.
606
00:27:27,771 --> 00:27:32,025
I felt conflicted.
I felt let down.
607
00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:36,696
It was a very serious matter
that needed to be sorted out.
608
00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:40,492
So I think it was a better position for us
609
00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:43,870
to cut the footage.
610
00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:46,790
But I don't think that
I can speak to the allegations
611
00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:49,376
because that wasn't my experience,
612
00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:51,711
and I feel like I can only speak
613
00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:55,799
to what my experience was like
in his presence filming him.
614
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,218
That's the Mr. Cosby I know.
615
00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:04,182
Part of the reason why he was able to do
616
00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:05,975
what he did for so long,
617
00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:08,103
nobody wanted to believe
those kinds of things.
618
00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:11,773
Nobody wanted to imagine
that these things were real
619
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,942
when we're thinking about somebody
620
00:28:13,983 --> 00:28:17,445
who is respectable and clean-cut and nice
621
00:28:17,487 --> 00:28:21,574
and has sort of made his living
622
00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:24,411
as the nice Black guy in the room.
623
00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:25,954
The boys are on a break right now.
624
00:28:25,995 --> 00:28:27,330
Would there be any chance
625
00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:30,291
of getting Mr. Cosby and Mr. Covaline--
626
00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:32,502
Well, I see Mr. Cosby here in the company
627
00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,796
of a glamorous young lady
628
00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:38,258
who is probably our next important movie star,
629
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:40,260
and I wonder if we could prevail on him
630
00:28:40,301 --> 00:28:41,594
bring that young lady in.
631
00:28:41,636 --> 00:28:43,805
Yes.
Bill?
632
00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:45,306
Isn't she beautiful?
633
00:28:45,348 --> 00:28:48,226
Introduce this young lady
to the Las Vegas public?
634
00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:49,769
What do you say, Bill?
How are you, Mr. Cosby?
635
00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,104
Hey, how are you sir?
636
00:28:51,146 --> 00:28:52,355
Is this your little girl?
637
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:55,692
Yes, this is my son, the daughter.
638
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,987
In 196d, Bill Cosby meets a college student
639
00:28:59,028 --> 00:29:01,197
named Camille Hanks.
640
00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,117
By all accounts, she was above his station.
641
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:06,369
They get married in 1964
642
00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:08,913
and have a child the next year.
643
00:29:08,955 --> 00:29:10,957
Well, I'm gonna have about 30 kids.
644
00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:14,419
And my wife can't do a thing about it,
645
00:29:14,461 --> 00:29:16,463
'cause she's Catholic.
646
00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:20,633
If she refuses me, I'll take
her right to the pope.
647
00:29:20,675 --> 00:29:23,928
Pope. If she says naw,
"Pope says you gotta do it."
648
00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:25,889
Ha ha ha.
649
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,474
The beginning of Bill Cosby's career
650
00:29:27,515 --> 00:29:29,100
moved super quick.
651
00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:32,353
In 1962, he's a single childless college dropout
652
00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:34,189
who people think is funny.
653
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:37,192
By 1965, he's married with a family,
654
00:29:37,233 --> 00:29:39,986
and he's one of the hottest
comics in the country.
655
00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:42,989
He wins Best Actor in a Dramatic Series
656
00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:45,450
three years in a row.
657
00:29:45,492 --> 00:29:47,827
While he's filming I Spy,
658
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:51,456
he's also recording comedy albums.
659
00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:52,665
This is a true story.
660
00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:54,000
Happened to me in San Francisco.
661
00:29:54,042 --> 00:29:55,335
I had a tooth pulled.
662
00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:57,420
First of all, Novocain does not kill pain.
663
00:29:57,462 --> 00:30:00,673
It postpones it and gives it a chance
664
00:30:00,715 --> 00:30:04,594
to build little pain buddies
over to the side, you know.
665
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,262
Every year, a new album came out.
666
00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,348
Bill Cosby's A Very Funny Fellow Right!,
667
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:10,183
I Started Out As A Child,
668
00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,936
and then Why Is There Air,
and then Wonderfulness,
669
00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:15,522
and then Revenge, and then Russell.
670
00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:16,856
Year after year, he was winning
671
00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,275
all these Grammy awards.
672
00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:21,986
He has, like, six in a row,
like, some crazy record.
673
00:30:22,028 --> 00:30:23,988
Bill Cosby is a family man.
674
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:24,948
He's more successful
675
00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:26,366
than he ever
676
00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:28,368
could have imagined being.
677
00:30:28,409 --> 00:30:31,037
He's no longer just the up-and-comer.
678
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,373
He has arrived.
679
00:30:33,414 --> 00:30:35,041
Usually, part of the deal
680
00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:36,543
with becoming a celebrity
681
00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:37,877
is that your private life
682
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,421
now becomes open to public discussion.
683
00:30:40,463 --> 00:30:43,591
But the way his public life was constructed,
684
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:47,512
we felt like we were seeing
enough of his private life
685
00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:49,764
that we didn't need
to ask any more questions.
686
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,766
And I was real happy
687
00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:53,434
to borrow our next guest.
688
00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:55,186
We got him from one of the
689
00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:57,772
season's top TV shows, I Spy.
690
00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:00,567
It's great to have him back
with us again tonight.
691
00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:03,862
Mr. Bill Cosby.-
692
00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:05,864
If you knew of him as, like,
693
00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:07,907
the Hollywood creation from I Spy,
694
00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:10,076
he was absolutely, at one time,
695
00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,537
the sort of sexualized,
696
00:31:12,579 --> 00:31:15,582
young, potential heartthrob.
697
00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:17,584
The spy is here, Bill Cosby.
698
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:19,085
Bill Cosby is here.
The spy.
699
00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,837
I got a story here.
700
00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,881
You mumble when you tell stories.
701
00:31:22,922 --> 00:31:24,090
He's a mumbler.
702
00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:25,884
The veneer
703
00:31:25,925 --> 00:31:27,677
that Cosby represented
704
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:30,430
was always about progress.
705
00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:33,141
Folks who were thinking
about what could be next
706
00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:36,394
and what could be possible,
he stepped in that gap.
707
00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:37,937
But the truth of the matter
708
00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:40,773
is that the machine that creates Hollywood,
709
00:31:40,815 --> 00:31:43,776
the machine that even allows
a Cosby to come forth,
710
00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:46,905
is one that's rife with misogyny
711
00:31:46,946 --> 00:31:50,617
and active kind of behind-the-scenes
712
00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:55,496
and in-front-of-the-scenes
oppression of women.
713
00:31:55,538 --> 00:31:56,956
It's just a time when,
714
00:31:56,998 --> 00:31:58,625
if you are a womanizer,
715
00:31:58,666 --> 00:32:01,586
you will be patted on the back for it.
716
00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:04,756
You could be a high-profile actor
717
00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:08,635
and go about your business
having multiple affairs,
718
00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:13,473
and it never, ever interfered
with this public persona
719
00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:17,101
that you have crafted with your PR folks.
720
00:32:17,143 --> 00:32:18,603
Are you a man
721
00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,898
of good character where women are concerned?
722
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,483
Have you ever met a man of good character
723
00:32:23,524 --> 00:32:25,318
where women are concerned?
724
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,072
There was a culture that was...
725
00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:30,740
people would look away.
726
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:31,824
"Boys will be boys."
727
00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:34,994
Man talk.
728
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:36,287
And if we're gonna talk
729
00:32:36,329 --> 00:32:38,331
about "boys will be boys" in the '60s,
730
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:41,709
then we got to talk about
Hugh Hefner and Playboy.
731
00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,295
It's queued up.
Just press play.
732
00:32:46,214 --> 00:32:48,007
Standard equipment
733
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:50,009
is the Bunny cotton tail.
734
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,345
Pair of ears.
Here's one.
735
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:53,721
Are most of the girls embarrassed
736
00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,807
when they first put these costumes on?
737
00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:57,225
Not hardly.
738
00:32:57,266 --> 00:33:00,853
I'd say about one out of 143.
739
00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:04,065
Darling, I'm two out of 143.
I feel ridiculous.
740
00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,067
I can't believe I didn't know this existed.
741
00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:09,278
When my turn came, I felt pretty awkward.
742
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,407
But at least I didn't spill
anything on the customers.
743
00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:14,200
Later, when I left the club,
744
00:33:14,242 --> 00:33:17,829
the doorman asked
if I wasn't taking off early.
745
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:19,539
"Well," I replied, very grandly,
746
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:22,875
"- after all, I'm not a Bunny.
I'm a reporter
747
00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,044
for the National Broadcasting Company."
748
00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:26,879
"Gee," he said, "you could have fooled me."
749
00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:28,631
And you know something, Hugh?
750
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:31,300
I must admit that secretly
I think I was kind of pleased.
751
00:33:31,342 --> 00:33:34,220
And that's it.
That's Bunny school.
752
00:33:34,262 --> 00:33:35,471
You should be pleased.
753
00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:37,223
You make a very cute Bunny.
Thank you.
754
00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:38,683
You know, the amazing thing is, though,
755
00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:40,059
They are more chaperoned, really,
756
00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:41,894
than in a television studio.
757
00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:43,980
It has been said, even, that the atmosphere
758
00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,066
is almost depressingly moral
in the Playboy Club
759
00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:49,360
because there's no hanky-panky whatever.
760
00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:51,070
And the furor that's raised about it is--
761
00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,280
That's disgusting.
762
00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:54,615
Hugh Downs, man.
Who knew?
763
00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:56,409
But I enjoyed seeing you as a Bunny.
764
00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:57,618
Thank you.
765
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:58,953
We have a station break now.
766
00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:01,414
Eww.
767
00:34:01,456 --> 00:34:04,459
Eww!
768
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,085
"I enjoyed seeing you as a Bunny."
769
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,047
Every woman I know is...
"Ugh."
770
00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:13,801
Playboy Club.
771
00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:17,221
I was a cigarette Bunny doing cigars, cigarettes,
772
00:34:17,263 --> 00:34:18,890
Tiparillos.
773
00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:22,435
Playboy lighters, $1.05.
774
00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:28,941
Hefner and Bill Cosby were friends for decades.
775
00:34:28,983 --> 00:34:32,779
They became friends both through civil rights work
776
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:34,781
as well as through the comedy scene
777
00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,116
at the Playboy Club.
778
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:40,286
We had a lot of jazz musicians, Gary Crosby,
779
00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:43,456
all of the old comedians, Redd Foxx,
780
00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:45,083
and Jackie Gayle.
781
00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:46,959
I worked for this man
for years in the Playboy Clubs.
782
00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:48,461
I worked there so many years,
783
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,546
I started to recognize
the bunnies by their faces.
784
00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,256
We all schmoozed with them.
785
00:34:52,298 --> 00:34:54,133
They were all our buddies,
you know, and then we'd all go
786
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:55,802
and have breakfast across the street
787
00:34:55,843 --> 00:34:58,262
after we got off work.
788
00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:00,640
The difference between a Playboy Bunny
789
00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:02,433
and a Playboy Playmate:
790
00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:06,521
a Playboy Bunny was the waitress in the club.
791
00:35:06,562 --> 00:35:11,067
A Playboy Playmate was the centerfold.
792
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,069
Now, you could be both or either.
793
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,613
I was both.
794
00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:18,116
I didn't meet Hugh Hefner until we opened
795
00:35:18,157 --> 00:35:20,451
the Playboy Club in LA.
796
00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,578
The big deal of the day
797
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,164
was when Hef would come out from Chicago.
798
00:35:25,206 --> 00:35:27,750
Then they'd have the big cocktail party
799
00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:30,920
in his penthouse at the top of the building.
800
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:34,507
funk music playing
801
00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:38,177
He was so skinny, and he was
standing there with a pipe,
802
00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,930
and all of these girls
were swarming around him.
803
00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:43,349
804
00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:46,811
And he walked over to me, and he said,
805
00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:48,646
"Oh, Victoria Valentino."
806
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:50,523
And, typical of me,
807
00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,025
I looked up, and I said, "And you are?"
808
00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:55,653
And I made him introduce himself.
809
00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:01,742
A typical Bunny.
Young, she's fresh.
810
00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:04,203
She has a pleasant personality,
a fabulous figure,
811
00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:07,165
and she works like a Trojan.
812
00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:08,875
What was it like being a Bunny?
813
00:36:08,916 --> 00:36:10,793
You look at my face?
814
00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,628
It was incredible.
815
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,840
816
00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:17,008
The 30-million-pound empire
817
00:36:17,049 --> 00:36:18,509
built around the simple principle
818
00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:20,845
that most people like
to look at pretty girls.
819
00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:23,181
In this case, well-trained pretty girls.
820
00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:24,724
Move along, move along, move along.
821
00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:32,523
Well, put it this way.
822
00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:34,567
If there was equality for women,
823
00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:36,235
especially during the '60s,
824
00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,362
I can go along with that.
825
00:36:38,404 --> 00:36:42,241
But honey, I didn't like making $50 a week.
826
00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:43,576
You got it?
827
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,746
But as a Bunny, we made between $1,000
828
00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:49,749
to $2,000 a week in cash.
829
00:36:55,296 --> 00:36:57,757
I always felt used.
830
00:36:57,798 --> 00:37:00,218
A lot of the girls didn't feel that way.
831
00:37:00,259 --> 00:37:02,220
They were saving money for college,
832
00:37:02,261 --> 00:37:04,430
they were supporting their children,
833
00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:05,890
they were buying houses,
834
00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:10,061
and I was feeling demeaned and diminished.
835
00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:11,812
Now, when she places this one,
836
00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,065
you notice that she is doing
what we call a Bunny dip.
837
00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:16,442
We would dip, dip this way,
838
00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:20,238
and we would serve this way, this way.
839
00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:23,157
That's absolutely correct.
840
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,077
Looked glamorous on the surface,
841
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,704
but if you didn't have your ears straight,
842
00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:30,206
if your tail wasn't clean,
843
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:32,833
if you had a run in your stocking,
844
00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:34,168
you would get demerits.
845
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:37,129
It was a very hard job.
846
00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,716
We were very well taken care of.
847
00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:42,885
One man said, "I'm not gonna have
848
00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:44,887
that nigger gal waiting on my table."
849
00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:47,640
Honey, I went over there
and told the room director.
850
00:37:47,682 --> 00:37:49,475
He walked back over there, and he said,
851
00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:52,144
"May I see your Playboy key card?
852
00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:53,980
Get the "mm" out.
853
00:37:54,021 --> 00:37:57,316
If we got too fat and didn't look good
854
00:37:57,358 --> 00:37:59,735
in our Bunny costumes, we'd get fired.
855
00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:02,280
The bunnies had their own doctor
856
00:38:02,321 --> 00:38:06,158
who prescribed us amphetamines.
857
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120
We were being plugged into
858
00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:11,080
a particular image.
859
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:14,875
You know, we were a collection of body parts.
860
00:38:14,917 --> 00:38:17,795
861
00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:21,465
Bill Cosby, who we associate as being
862
00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:23,843
a very family-friendly, G-rated act
863
00:38:23,884 --> 00:38:27,221
may seem incongruous
in the Playboy Club atmosphere.
864
00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:28,639
But really, in those days,
865
00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:32,393
nobody expected their comedy to be dirty.
866
00:38:32,435 --> 00:38:36,022
Uh...
867
00:38:36,063 --> 00:38:38,274
no, it couldn't be.
868
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:41,319
Ultimately, it was a classy venue.
869
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,237
They hired classy acts,
870
00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:45,406
so it wasn't really beyond the norm
871
00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:50,369
for a comic like Bill Cosby
to be performing there.
872
00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:53,873
This is where looking back gets complicated,
873
00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:55,541
because the definition of family-friendly
874
00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,376
is always changing.
875
00:38:57,418 --> 00:39:00,004
What counted as family-friendly back then
876
00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,214
wouldn't fly now.
877
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:14,935
On the album "It's True! It's True!",
878
00:39:14,977 --> 00:39:16,395
he does this routine
879
00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:18,272
which now seems like
880
00:39:18,314 --> 00:39:19,648
it might have been a red flag.
881
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,544
Ha ha ha ha!
882
00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,381
I had that album as a kid.
I remember listening to it.
883
00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:47,093
At the time, it just seemed
like, "Oh, this is funny
884
00:39:47,134 --> 00:39:49,387
that something could turn
someone on like that."
885
00:39:49,428 --> 00:39:52,723
You thought it was like,
I don't know, like oysters.
886
00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:54,892
Spanish Fly is the name of the game,
887
00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:56,685
and everyone wants to play.
888
00:39:56,727 --> 00:40:00,106
All of a sudden, I feel very weird.
889
00:40:00,147 --> 00:40:02,274
Can't you wait?
890
00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:03,859
No.
Neither can I.
891
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:05,611
I remember as a kid,
892
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:07,446
and I hope I don't get
in trouble for saying this...
893
00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:09,532
It was before I was having sex.
894
00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:11,867
But I remember, I think even
on the back of a comic book,
895
00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:14,286
you could get some stuff called Spanish Fly
896
00:40:14,328 --> 00:40:15,746
and you put it in a drink.
897
00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,123
It was time to party.
898
00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:21,085
I remember him talking about Spanish Fly
899
00:40:21,127 --> 00:40:22,461
in one of his albums,
900
00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:23,963
and I was like, "Oh, shit, Spanish Fly.
901
00:40:24,004 --> 00:40:26,382
Man, when I start fucking,
I want some Spanish Fly."
902
00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,467
I didn't know what it was.
903
00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:29,802
Hello.
How's it going?
904
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:31,137
I'd like a half a dozen
905
00:40:31,178 --> 00:40:32,638
of your best Spanish Flies, please.
906
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,141
All right.
907
00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:37,601
Oh, Jesus.-
908
00:40:37,643 --> 00:40:39,603
Run!
909
00:40:45,734 --> 00:40:47,319
My name is Hamilton Morris.
910
00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:51,157
I am a journalist, and I've
spent the last 12 or so years
911
00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:54,994
traveling around the world,
studying psychoactive drugs.
912
00:40:55,035 --> 00:40:59,498
Spanish Fly is--
it's an actual insect
913
00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:02,460
that produces a chemical called cantharidin.
914
00:41:02,501 --> 00:41:05,337
And cantharidin is an irritant
915
00:41:05,379 --> 00:41:08,257
that causes a burning sensation
916
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,594
in the urethra when
it's eliminated by urination,
917
00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:15,181
and that burning sensation can be confused
918
00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:18,517
with a sort of sexual stimulation,
919
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,019
or an aphrodisiac effect.
920
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:23,522
Yes, it's a real thing.
921
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:59,099
That was accepting?
Like, that's crazy.
922
00:41:59,141 --> 00:42:01,560
Ooh, yeah, that doesn't age well, does it?
923
00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:03,687
The Spanish Fly bit.
924
00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,273
Maybe it's innocent, maybe not.
925
00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:09,652
But if you listen to that Spanish Fly joke,
926
00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:12,154
the motherfucker tells on itself.
927
00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:15,533
The album is called It's True! It's True!
928
00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:18,744
That almost could be like a summation
929
00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,829
for the prosecution.
930
00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:22,831
And I think people just turned
a deaf ear to it
931
00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:26,377
and just kind of, like, put it off
932
00:42:26,418 --> 00:42:28,212
to being just a joke.
933
00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:31,215
But I mean, clearly, you have the indications
934
00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:34,051
that there's something wrong with this man.
935
00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:37,721
Bill Cosby, it seems to me, has been leaving
936
00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:41,642
something like bread crumbs
all throughout his career,
937
00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:44,436
pointing to his guilty conscience.
938
00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:46,647
Okay, this Spanish Fly thing is weird.
939
00:42:46,689 --> 00:42:48,816
As a comic, I'm not going to judge
940
00:42:48,857 --> 00:42:50,776
every comic for every joke they tell.
941
00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:53,612
But Bill Cosby was still
telling Spanish Fly jokes
942
00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:55,781
more than 20 years later.
943
00:42:55,823 --> 00:42:57,449
This is from 1991.
944
00:42:57,491 --> 00:42:58,617
Spanish Fly.
945
00:42:58,659 --> 00:42:59,952
We knew what it was.
946
00:42:59,994 --> 00:43:03,414
Spanish Fly was the thing that all boys
947
00:43:03,455 --> 00:43:07,126
from age 11 on up to death,
948
00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:10,921
we will still be searching for Spanish Fly.
949
00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:12,131
That's right.
950
00:43:12,172 --> 00:43:14,133
And what was the old--
the old story was,
951
00:43:14,174 --> 00:43:17,636
if you took a little drop--
it was on the head of a...
952
00:43:17,678 --> 00:43:19,096
Pin.
953
00:43:19,138 --> 00:43:22,057
Ugh, why does he know the dosage?
954
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:25,269
On the head of a pin.
955
00:43:25,311 --> 00:43:27,980
Oh, the famous Larry King Live clip.
956
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,482
Lot of you've seen it.
But did you know
957
00:43:30,524 --> 00:43:32,318
that he was there
958
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:35,154
promoting his book Childhood,
959
00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:40,242
and Childhood has an entire
chapter about Spanish Fly?
960
00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:44,663
And Spanish Fly is mentioned
in the book 15 times.
961
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:48,000
And you put it in her drink.
Drop it into Coca-Cola.
962
00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:49,793
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't make a--
963
00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:51,170
and the girl would drink it, and...
964
00:43:51,211 --> 00:43:53,339
She's yours.
Hello America.
965
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:57,176
And he's on Larry King Live,
taking about the Spanish Fly.
966
00:43:57,217 --> 00:44:00,471
"You just got to put just
a pin, just the head of a pin,
967
00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:02,681
and oh boy, God bless America"--
968
00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:05,893
whoa, whoa.
969
00:44:05,934 --> 00:44:08,020
And Larry was like, "Yeah,
tell us how you do it, huh?
970
00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:09,688
How is it, Cosby?
How do you do it?"
971
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:12,274
And he's just talking about how to drug women.
972
00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:14,193
There was this narrative
that it always been there
973
00:44:14,234 --> 00:44:16,362
in the undercurrent of his comedy
974
00:44:16,403 --> 00:44:19,073
about drugging women,
975
00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:22,368
that we had all mutually
agreed to never talk about
976
00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:24,787
and to never connect the dots.
977
00:44:24,828 --> 00:44:28,207
What Cosby, from almost
day one, was telling us
978
00:44:28,248 --> 00:44:30,000
that he was willing to,
979
00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:32,294
and didn't think anything was strange about,
980
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:33,837
putting things in women's drinks
981
00:44:33,879 --> 00:44:36,048
to get them to do what he wanted them to do.
982
00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:40,052
So when we fast forward,
it's not a huge leap to think
983
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:42,388
that what Cosby was talking about in the '60s
984
00:44:42,429 --> 00:44:44,306
he was doing.
985
00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:01,490
It was the end of '69.
986
00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:04,284
September 6th.
987
00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:06,495
I was under contract to Capitol Records
988
00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:09,498
to do an album of my own songs.
989
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,042
I had a music attorney
990
00:45:12,084 --> 00:45:14,795
by the name of Martin Cohen.
991
00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:19,299
He was giving a party
to celebrate my contract
992
00:45:19,341 --> 00:45:23,679
and his new wine cellar
that he had just bought.
993
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:27,766
My son, Tony, and I were there.
994
00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:29,893
He had just turned six years old.
995
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,232
He was saving grasshoppers who were drowning
996
00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:38,610
in the swimming pool.
997
00:45:38,652 --> 00:45:40,112
Martin told me to go in the house.
998
00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:41,572
His sister-in-law, I think,
999
00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:45,242
was coming up the steps with a case of wine.
1000
00:45:45,284 --> 00:45:48,746
Martin was still out by the pool.
1001
00:45:48,787 --> 00:45:51,248
Then he, all of a sudden, was in the kitchen
1002
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:53,542
pulling bottles of wine out of the case and going,
1003
00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:55,627
"Oh, this is a great wine--
oh, where's Tony?"
1004
00:45:59,006 --> 00:46:02,009
And I ran outside.
1005
00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,137
Found him face down on the bottom
1006
00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:07,181
of the deep end of the pool.
1007
00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:10,017
My beautiful wise little man.
1008
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:19,526
So at that point, my life was over.
1009
00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:24,364
1010
00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:27,284
What happened with Bill Cosby
1011
00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:29,369
was just a few short weeks
1012
00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:34,124
after my little boy drowned.
1013
00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:37,169
My roommate and I went to this restaurant
1014
00:46:37,211 --> 00:46:39,171
right next to the Whisky a Go Go.
1015
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,840
It was like the new cool
steakhouse on the Strip
1016
00:46:41,882 --> 00:46:44,927
called Sneaky Pete's.
1017
00:46:44,968 --> 00:46:47,513
I was just having a terrible, terrible day,
1018
00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:51,099
grieving, and Cosby came to our table.
1019
00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:54,686
He was chatting her up.
1020
00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:57,648
It was clear that they had their thing going,
1021
00:46:57,689 --> 00:46:59,691
so I was just sitting there,
kind of rearranging the food
1022
00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:02,361
on my plate and glass of red wine,
1023
00:47:02,402 --> 00:47:03,821
and I wasn't participating,
1024
00:47:03,862 --> 00:47:06,990
and all of his corny jokes
were not moving me.
1025
00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:10,202
And finally, he reached over
1026
00:47:10,244 --> 00:47:13,956
and put a pill next to my wine glass,
1027
00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:16,625
and said, "Take that.
1028
00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:20,546
It'll make you feel better.
It'll make us all feel better."
1029
00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:24,049
And then he put a pill next to her glass,
1030
00:47:24,091 --> 00:47:28,262
and then he did like this,
as if he was taking a pill.
1031
00:47:28,303 --> 00:47:31,849
The pill started kicking in,
1032
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:33,892
and suddenly, you know,
1033
00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:35,561
couldn't keep my head up,
1034
00:47:35,602 --> 00:47:39,940
and her head was bobbing in her plate, too,
1035
00:47:39,982 --> 00:47:44,903
and slurring words and feeling nauseated,
1036
00:47:44,945 --> 00:47:49,074
and I have this memory that he reached out
1037
00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:52,077
and put another pill in my mouth directly.
1038
00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:58,000
And it just got to the point,
and I think it was me--
1039
00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:01,670
it could have been her--
said, "I want to go home."
1040
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:04,131
So he said, "Okay.
I'll take you."
1041
00:48:04,172 --> 00:48:06,341
We were probably not looking very good
1042
00:48:06,383 --> 00:48:10,012
to be in public with at that point.
1043
00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:12,598
So we went up to the parking lot.
1044
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,016
I got in the back seat,
1045
00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:15,893
and she was in the front with him,
1046
00:48:15,934 --> 00:48:17,561
and suddenly, we're going through
1047
00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:20,939
all those little windy Hollywood Hills streets,
1048
00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:25,193
and I'm in the back seat with spinners,
1049
00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,322
and then, all of a sudden, the car stopped.
1050
00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:32,409
There we were, parked kind of nose up,
1051
00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:33,785
and I looked, and there was
1052
00:48:33,827 --> 00:48:36,413
this--like a townhouse
1053
00:48:36,455 --> 00:48:39,374
kind of building.
1054
00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:44,338
And he said, "Oh, I want
to show you girls my awards
1055
00:48:44,379 --> 00:48:48,008
and things," and I'm going--
I didn't want to go.
1056
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:49,801
I didn't want to go anywhere.
1057
00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:52,596
I just wanted to go home
and curl up in bed
1058
00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:54,222
and maybe throw up.
1059
00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:57,976
And got in this little elevator, took us up.
1060
00:48:58,018 --> 00:49:00,979
I think it was to the second floor,
1061
00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:03,941
and opened the door,
1062
00:49:03,982 --> 00:49:05,734
and it was no office.
1063
00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:08,695
And then she went over immediately
1064
00:49:08,737 --> 00:49:12,032
and sat on the love seat
up against the wall
1065
00:49:12,074 --> 00:49:16,119
and keeled over on her side, just...like that.
1066
00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:18,580
And I sat down on the love seat
1067
00:49:18,622 --> 00:49:21,083
and just put my head back.
1068
00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:23,919
And I don't know whether I passed out or what.
1069
00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:26,922
All of a sudden, I remember,
everything was so silent,
1070
00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:30,008
it woke me up, and I remember looking around
1071
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:33,303
and seeing him sitting next to her,
1072
00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:36,598
and he was just looking down
on her and looking down,
1073
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,726
looking down, and she was
completely out of it.
1074
00:49:39,768 --> 00:49:42,020
Gone.
1075
00:49:42,062 --> 00:49:44,940
And I realized instantly
by the look on his face
1076
00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:48,777
and bulge in his pants,
what was going to happen next,
1077
00:49:48,819 --> 00:49:53,156
and so I started reaching over and going...
1078
00:49:53,198 --> 00:49:56,994
I was trying to say something,
but what was in my head
1079
00:49:57,035 --> 00:50:00,288
and was coming out of my mouth,
it just sounded like garble.
1080
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:02,290
He kept ignoring me,
1081
00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:05,377
and then he started getting
this irritated look on his face
1082
00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:07,504
because I was distracting him.
1083
00:50:07,546 --> 00:50:09,840
And then he finally started getting so annoyed
1084
00:50:09,881 --> 00:50:11,967
and I could just see this whole--
1085
00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:15,053
his face changing, you know,
this anger coming over,
1086
00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,639
and he stood up,
and he came walking towards me,
1087
00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:19,975
and I got panicky, and I stood up
1088
00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,477
and then lost my balance
and grabbed onto him,
1089
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,229
and the next thing I knew, I was on my knees
1090
00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:27,566
in front of the sofa, and...
1091
00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:29,234
well...
1092
00:50:31,945 --> 00:50:34,281
He orally raped me,
1093
00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:37,409
and then he stood me up and bent me over
1094
00:50:37,451 --> 00:50:41,079
and did me doggy style and split.
1095
00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:44,750
And as he's going out the door, I said...
1096
00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:48,128
"How are we going--how are we
getting out of here?"
1097
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:50,547
And he--
how are we getting home?
1098
00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:53,091
And he just pointed--
he didn't even look at me.
1099
00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:57,095
He pointed to the desk,
and he said, "Call a cab,"
1100
00:50:57,137 --> 00:50:59,139
and he slammed the door.
1101
00:50:59,181 --> 00:51:02,934
And the horrible thing is, I said "Thank you."
1102
00:51:05,979 --> 00:51:08,774
For years, every time
I'd drive down the Strip,
1103
00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:11,610
I'd have to look away
when I passed that street
1104
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:14,654
because I--you know, my stomach would twist.
1105
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,618
Here, he had taken advantage of my grief
1106
00:51:19,659 --> 00:51:22,454
and had no compassion, no empathy.
1107
00:51:22,496 --> 00:51:23,789
He didn't care.
1108
00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:25,749
I was just the sacrificial lamb.
1109
00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:28,543
I was collateral damage.
He didn't get what he wanted
1110
00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:32,214
from my roommate, so he took it out on me.
1111
00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:40,472
Well, I don't think I ever
told her the details
1112
00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:45,018
because I was so humiliated.
I was so ashamed.
1113
00:51:46,812 --> 00:51:48,939
Never told anybody.
1114
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:52,692
I mean, told them that he had
gotten us drugged out,
1115
00:51:52,734 --> 00:51:55,278
or that, you know,
that he wasn't the nice person
1116
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,155
that everybody thought he was,
1117
00:51:57,197 --> 00:52:01,827
but I never said
what he specifically did to me.
1118
00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:03,578
I couldn't.
1119
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:06,456
I couldn't even think about it,
because you use the words,
1120
00:52:06,498 --> 00:52:08,708
then you have the images,
then you have the feelings,
1121
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:13,046
and then you, you know,
are washed with self-loathing.
1122
00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:15,841
I never talked about it.
1123
00:52:15,882 --> 00:52:18,009
I never told anybody
any of the dirty details
1124
00:52:18,051 --> 00:52:20,679
for years and years and years.
1125
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,348
I didn't know that there were other women.
1126
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:25,517
I just thought it was me.
1127
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:27,352
So he drove you to an office,
1128
00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:29,437
some sort of a place that was not his home,
1129
00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:31,439
and then, what did he do?
Correct.
1130
00:52:31,481 --> 00:52:35,694
Opened his fly and had me...
1131
00:52:35,735 --> 00:52:37,821
perform oral sex
1132
00:52:37,863 --> 00:52:41,658
and then raped me.
1133
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,034
I think for many of us,
1134
00:52:43,076 --> 00:52:45,036
the hardest thing about
the Bill Cosby situation
1135
00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:47,080
is that we loved him for such a long time
1136
00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:51,001
before we ever heard
about any of the allegations.
1137
00:52:51,042 --> 00:52:53,587
It feels like new information.
1138
00:52:53,628 --> 00:52:58,258
But long before he was America's dad,
1139
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,052
long before he was himself,
1140
00:53:01,094 --> 00:53:05,557
before we watched him
on Saturday morning cartoons,
1141
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,934
before I was even born...
1142
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,899
The guys that frightened me
the most were the monsters.
1143
00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:17,402
From almost the very start of his career,
1144
00:53:17,444 --> 00:53:20,363
Cosby is alleged to have been
sexually assaulting
1145
00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:21,990
and raping women.
1146
00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:23,909
He prepares a cocktail for you.
1147
00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:25,994
Yes, a bourbon and seven.
1148
00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:28,914
I must have passed out again,
because when I awaken,
1149
00:53:28,955 --> 00:53:31,333
I found myself on a bed.
1150
00:53:31,374 --> 00:53:33,585
He had his hand on the back of my head.
1151
00:53:33,627 --> 00:53:35,253
She says he then tried
1152
00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:37,255
to force her to perform oral sex.
1153
00:53:37,297 --> 00:53:39,341
I had ordered a Coca-Cola.
1154
00:53:39,382 --> 00:53:41,676
I have never been a drinker.
1155
00:53:41,718 --> 00:53:45,180
And that was when things
began to become blurry.
1156
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:49,100
What I do remember next was waking up naked
1157
00:53:49,142 --> 00:53:50,393
in a bed alone.
1158
00:53:50,435 --> 00:53:51,728
I turned around, and there was
1159
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:53,104
nobody in the room at all,
1160
00:53:53,146 --> 00:53:55,232
just him and I.
He grabbed me.
1161
00:53:55,273 --> 00:53:58,985
He had me up against him
and kissed me in the mouth.
1162
00:53:59,027 --> 00:54:02,197
And I just pushed him,
and I ran down the hallway.
1163
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,575
I was on The Tonight Show.
1164
00:54:05,617 --> 00:54:07,369
I was in my dressing room.
1165
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:08,995
He opened the door.
1166
00:54:09,037 --> 00:54:10,664
He came up to me,
1167
00:54:10,705 --> 00:54:13,250
zippered down his pants,
1168
00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:16,753
and put my head on his penis.
1169
00:54:16,795 --> 00:54:18,004
When I awakened,
1170
00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:20,298
I was naked in the bed beside him.
1171
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:23,969
I couldn't move or speak.
I felt paralyzed.
1172
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:26,721
He flipped me over and sexually assaulted me.
1173
00:54:26,763 --> 00:54:27,889
And I had a headache,
1174
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,432
and he brought back a capsule.
1175
00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:30,809
He wouldn't tell me what was in it
1176
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:32,811
and was like, "Well, don't you trust me?"
1177
00:54:32,852 --> 00:54:34,562
Well, of course I do.
It was Bill Cosby.
1178
00:54:34,604 --> 00:54:36,731
He starting grabbing at my chest.
1179
00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,985
Then he started to push himself on top of me.
1180
00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:41,319
That's when I panicked.
1181
00:54:41,361 --> 00:54:43,321
I opened the door and ran out of his car.
1182
00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:47,492
I came to with him
taking off my underwear.
1183
00:54:47,534 --> 00:54:50,078
He pulled me up by my hair
1184
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,082
and shoved his penis in my mouth,
1185
00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:57,544
and I thought in that instant
that people are going to find
1186
00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:00,880
a naked body in a canyon somewhere.
1187
00:55:00,922 --> 00:55:02,924
1188
00:55:02,966 --> 00:55:06,511
Even though he was like
the kind of center of morality,
1189
00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:09,347
then and all throughout his career,
1190
00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:11,975
it turns out that
just behind the curtain,
1191
00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:15,395
there was the most immoral shit
you could imagine going on.
1192
00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,274
But we didn't know about any of that.
1193
00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:23,361
The Bill Cosby we knew was
going through some changes,
1194
00:55:23,403 --> 00:55:26,614
like Black folks all over America.
1195
00:55:26,656 --> 00:55:28,533
Dr. Martin Luther King
1196
00:55:28,575 --> 00:55:31,286
has been shot to death in Memphis, Tennessee.
1197
00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:32,954
In the late '60s,
1198
00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:36,958
you have this shift in the culture,
1199
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,462
and it creates the opportunity
1200
00:55:40,503 --> 00:55:44,466
for a new representation of Blackness.
1201
00:55:44,507 --> 00:55:46,051
I am--
I am--
1202
00:55:46,092 --> 00:55:47,886
Black.
Black.
1203
00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:49,346
But as the culture shifted,
1204
00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:54,351
Black performers started to shift.
1205
00:55:54,392 --> 00:55:57,395
Cosby uses this moment to transform his image
1206
00:55:57,437 --> 00:56:00,565
from late-night comedian to radical educator.
1207
00:56:00,607 --> 00:56:03,276
Black people have to go out
and burn up the neighborhood
1208
00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:07,238
in order to get the community
to see what's going on.
1209
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,907
And this point is critical,
1210
00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:11,576
because it's Bill Cosby's focus on education
1211
00:56:11,618 --> 00:56:14,621
that sows the seeds
for the rest of his career.
1212
00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:19,209
And nobody could have imagined
how big that career would get.
1213
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:20,794
When we turned on the TV,
1214
00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:24,005
it was almost impossible
not to see Bill Cosby.
1215
00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:26,716
He was our teacher, and he was funny.
1216
00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:28,301
And now welcome the star of the show.
1217
00:56:28,343 --> 00:56:30,220
Everybody knew the show was happening,
1218
00:56:30,261 --> 00:56:32,097
this show called The Cosby Show.
1219
00:56:32,138 --> 00:56:33,640
I mean, there was just no way to know
1220
00:56:33,681 --> 00:56:37,143
how much America would fall
in love with this man.
1221
00:56:37,185 --> 00:56:39,437
You started hearing these things
1222
00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:42,899
that this guy is not who he appears to be.
1223
00:56:42,941 --> 00:56:46,444
We all know Bill Cosby as America's dad.
1224
00:56:46,486 --> 00:56:48,780
What in the world
did you think was going on?
1225
00:56:48,822 --> 00:56:52,534
He constructed himself as a role model.
1226
00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:57,247
There is a time when we have
to turn the mirror around.
1227
00:56:57,288 --> 00:57:01,918
He became a cultural icon, hero,
1228
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,337
not only for Black people,
but for all people.
1229
00:57:04,379 --> 00:57:05,505
Thank you.
1230
00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,048
He looked at me, and he said,
1231
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:08,383
"Fooled them again."
1232
00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:09,801
And suddenly, this is
1233
00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:11,469
no longer a rumbling underneath the ground.
1234
00:57:11,511 --> 00:57:13,388
I have to ask about your name
1235
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,432
coming up in the news recently.
1236
00:57:15,473 --> 00:57:17,308
No, no, you don't answer that.
1237
00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:20,645
It was impossible to comprehend, impossible.
1238
00:57:20,687 --> 00:57:23,314
It was just like...no.
1239
00:57:23,356 --> 00:57:25,650
Not Bill Cosby.
1240
00:57:25,692 --> 00:57:27,819
I'm Bill Cosby,
1241
00:57:27,861 --> 00:57:30,155
and you take care of yourself.
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