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Now, if you tell the history of slavery right,
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you got a big problem on your hands.
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The slave trader didn't take
some savage out of Africa.
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He took a human being.
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Now, if you want to look history
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right straight in the eye,
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you're going to get a black eye.
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Wait a minute.
Is this Bill Cosby?
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Most Hollywood films, though,
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even the early ones weren't really nasty.
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Nobody was sitting around saying,
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"Hey, let's take care of the niggers."
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Uh, did Bill Cosby just drop the N-bomb?
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Are we talking about the same Bill Cosby?
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Bill Cosby's the only black man in America
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who could do that and more
or less get away with it.
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Napoleon once said,
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"History is a fable agreed upon,
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and the fable agreed upon up to now
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is that American history is white on white."
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What in the critical race theory is going on?
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ethereal percussive music
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No, Cosby was very much a race man.
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He made that clear.
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The thing that's most evident is his hosting
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of the 1968 special
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Black History:
Lost, Stolen, or Strayed.
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It's actually written by Andy Rooney.
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There was a whole series of specials that year
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by CBS called of Black America.
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It's like,
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rather than burn down the neighborhoods,
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let's put some Black people on TV.
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Did you know, in some states, it used to be
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against the law to teach blacks to read or write?
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That special is really powerful,
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and it was not comedic in any way.
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It was not Cosby.
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Cosby, he literally was
being militant about stuff
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that you do not know
that they're not teaching you.
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Sometimes we did get into
the history books all wrong.
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And what's interesting about it is,
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he is quoting from history books.
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He's angry.
He's disgusted.
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As for Sambo...
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Sambo.
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He goes through this litany of names.
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How about the North Pole?
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Well, the first man there
was Black--Matthew Henson.
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All these names that nobody
knows because they were Black.
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And the point he's making
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is about the whitewashing of history.
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It talks about how our self-image
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has been deformed because of racism.
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For the most part,
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the Black portraits have been drawn
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by white writers, white producers,
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and white directors for a white audience.
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Most Black parts were the way white Americans
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wanted them to be.
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He was talking about how it hurt him,
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that he would see these--
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and he even went after Amos 'n' Andy,
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really came down hard on Stepin Fetchit.
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The tradition of the lazy, stupid,
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crap-shooting, chicken-stealing idiot
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was popularized by an actor
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named Lincoln Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry.
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Cat made two million dollars
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in five years in the middle '30s,
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and everyone who ever saw a movie laughed
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at Stepin Fetchit.
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Come out, come out, wherever you is!
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This is a lot of fun, isn't it?
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To look back at that time, like,
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I could appreciate this guy who was like,
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"Okay, this is about knowledge."
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That's something I very much appreciate
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and appreciate about him at that time.
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Did you know that?
Huh?
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That to me is the touchstone,
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more than any other thing that he's done,
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that Black History:
Lost, Stolen, or Strayed
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is the thing that i refer back to the most.
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The burning part of "burn, baby, burn,"
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is right here in this classroom.
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Black History:
Lost, Stolen, or Strayed
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was yet another Emmy-winning
project for Bill Cosby,
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but that hard-edged teacher persona didn't last.
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Friend Mortimer.
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Bill Cosby spent the better part
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of the next decade perfecting
his specific version
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of a TV teacher,
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a moral authority,
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and this is the key part,
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being someone that everybody could trust.
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soft dramatic music
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It's The New Bill Cosby Show.
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But that wasn't all Bill Cosby did in the '70s.
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He also tried every other job in showbiz.
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Bill Cosby.
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You married?
No.
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Between 1969 and 1976,
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Bill Cosby had three different TV series,
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none of which lasted,
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but three series for a Black man in the '70s?
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That's a lot.
That ain't normal.
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Frank, will you come on!
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He also spent the decade
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trying to become a movie star,
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doing nearly a film a year.
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There's an I Spy rip-off,
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a dark comedy where he's
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an abusive asshole.
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Stop calling me Jugs.
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Bill Cosby is the Devil.
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Want a light?
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He even plays the Devil.
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And eternal damnation is yours!
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Yep.
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soft Western music
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Look, now he's a cowboy.
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You know how much money
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that horse will bring us just for studdin'?
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What's studdin'?
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Of course.
I got drug by the horse.
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When the horse got tired,
they tied me to a truck.
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Uh...
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not really.
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All right!
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The films that worked best, though,
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are a trio of movies
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with actor/director Sidney Poitier--
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a highbrow response
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to the low budget Blaxploitation craze.
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The two of them paired off.
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I mean, it's a great combination.
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Sidney, straight, like, corny guy
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opposite Bill is just classic.
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Same old same as old head?
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While these films
are definitely cult classics
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with Black folks, they weren't big hits.
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The amount of gatekeeping that went on
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was epic for Bill Cosby.
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You had to pass through a million gatekeepers,
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and they all had to think
that you were not a threat
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to the white power establishment,
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that it would not reflect badly on them,
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in fact, that it would reflect well on them.
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It was fucking impossible to get shit.
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It just--the racism was so fucking crazy.
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It was just literally like,
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"- You can't have this shit!
Get away!"
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But Cosby found a way...
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Zoop-a-doop-a-doop, boy, zoop-a-doop-a-doop.
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Mistook me for some ugly dude
with a beard and a mustache.
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I can understand how they--
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Shut up!
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Now I forgot my line.-
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But the weird thing about showbiz
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is that you can't control it.
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You can't force something to be successful.
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So just think how different
Bill Cosby's life and career
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would've been if any of those had been a hit.
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ethereal music
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Like, what if that Devil film
had been a blockbuster?
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Then Bill Cosby is forever typecast as the Devil.
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Forever!
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Does that dude end up as America's dad
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with all the power and trust that comes with it?
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I don't think so.
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Hi!
How ya doin'?
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But that's not what happened.
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Glad to see you!
Ooh!
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At the same time Bill Cosby
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is on prime time TV and movies,
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he's also moonlighting on kids' shows.
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Hey, you guys!
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We're gonna turn it on
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In the 1970s, you see him really leaning
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into becoming an authoritative
educational figure.
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And so the relationship with PBS
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becomes incredibly important
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because he talking directly to kids.
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Hello, there, this is, uh,
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Honest John speaking to you.
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Yes, sir, we have all kinds
of used cars for sale.
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He thought that the world would be better
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if young people, and particularly young Black
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and brown people, were educated.
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Okay.
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Now, as fast as you can, along with me,
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you say Picture Pages,
Picture Pages, Picture Pages.
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No, that's not fast enough.
Now, come on.
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Picture Pages, Picture Pages,
Picture Pages, Picture Pages.
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Faster!
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Okay.
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This is why we loved him.
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Picture Pages, Picture Pages
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Time to get your Picture Pages
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Time to get your crayons
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And your pencils
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This was the joint!
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Picture Pages, Picture Pages
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Open up your Picture Pages
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Time to watch Bill Cosby
do a Picture Page with you!
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That's, like, childhood right there.
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Like, Bill Cosby was our teacher,
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and he was funny, and he was silly.
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And for many of us,
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he was the first Black
educator we had access to.
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There you are, and here I am, Professor Cosby,
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the world's greatest living authority on rhymes.
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90% of the nation's teaching force is white.
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70% of the urban teaching force is still white.
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And back then, it was even bigger.
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So, for many of us,
Bill Cosby on Picture Pages
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was the first Black teacher we saw.
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So you're seven years old?
Yes.
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Are you married?
No.
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Oh.
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And he let us know that
something else was possible.
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I mean, it was pretty important stuff.
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There's nobody in here.
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It's funny, not a lot of people
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remember Picture Pages.
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I remember Picture Pages.
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It was a segment of the TV show Captain Kangaroo.
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I'd be watching Captain Kangaroo
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on my grandmother's floor,
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and suddenly Picture Pages came on.
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And, whoop, I was like, "Oh!"
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Listen very carefully to every word I'm saying.
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He wasn't just talking to children in general.
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He's talking to me.
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He wants me to learn.
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He wants me to be smart.
He cares about me.
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Shorter and longer.
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My friend, smiling pretty.
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In the moment, it looked like
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a maturing Black celebrity
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and sort of social icon
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was just shaping his footprint.
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You know, part of becoming
a celebrity is every celebrity
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has to have their pet cause.
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And pretty early on, Bill Cosby had started
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to double down on the fact that education
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was going to be his.
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Hi, this is Bill Cosby.
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I'd like for you to pay close
attention to this album.
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In 1971, he even released
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a Grammy Award-winning
children's album entitled
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Bill Cosby Talks to Kids About Drugs.
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There's a track called
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"Uppers and Downers and Their Effects,"
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and it's got groovy music under it.
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slow, distorted jazz music
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And that is way more fucked up
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to listen to than the Spanish Fly routine.
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But the project from this period
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he's most remembered for began quietly
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and under the radar in 1969.
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Hey, hey, hey!
It's Fat Albert!
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Fat Albert is like a bag full of Now or Laters.
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A bag full of your favorite now or Laters,
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'cause it was just like a joy headache.
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Especially for a young Black kid,
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it was like a joy headache, it was like--
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They're in the junkyard, they're playing music.
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Playin' hooky
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Fat Albert.
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It was wonderful.
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Hey, Fat Albert!
Hit me a fly!
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Every kid that I knew,
you know, Saturday morning,
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you're up, you're watching Fat Albert.
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They would have an adventure,
and they would learn a lesson.
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It was always joyful.
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Fat Albert is this kid
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based on, you know, one of his friends
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who he grew up with in North Philly
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while he was living in the Richard Allen Homes.
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This is a funny take on what it's like
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to grow up as a Black kid in Philadelphia.
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Fat Albert was this,
you know, a neighborhood gang
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of Black kids hanging out,
doing what the kids today
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might say regular degular stuff.
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Rudy, you're like Thanksgiving Day at school.
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Thanksgiving Day?
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What's school on Saturday?
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No class.
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Dude, I'm a teacher.
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I do that with my students all the time.
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Like Doug E. Doug, I also remember this show
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to be a joy headache,
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filled with songs, laughs, fun lessons.
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Play it straight, gang.
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That way, you'll get where you want to go,
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not where you don't, right?
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Right.
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We didn't have any Black animated cartoons
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unless they were buffooning and cooning us.
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The only Black character we had was the Peanuts--
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we had Franklin.
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He was just a chocolate version of Charlie Brown.
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So, when you get Fat Albert,
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now you got a whole crew of Black folk
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and not white characters
that were colored darker.
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He's the funniest dude in the whole school.
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These were actual Black people!
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Mushmouth--there is no
white person named Mushmouth!
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Yeah-be, hey-be, Ruby.
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The funniest ball-be player in-be the worbled.
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Like, these were hood cats on TV.
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Bill Cosby gave us new characters,
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new ideas, new identities.
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He wrote Black people into the cartoons.
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That's what Fat Albert did,
and you learned something.
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This is also where Bill Cosby really began
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to perfect his "voice
of moral authority" thing
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that we all came to know and trust.
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Take lying. Now, you start broadcasting lies...
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Broadcasting lies!
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And pretty soon nobody
believes anything you say.
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That just had a strong effect--
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you know, this guy
with this Afro who, you know,
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looked and sounded very familiar to me
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teaching this lesson
in this case about, you know,
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why it's not a good idea to tell a lie.
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Of course, you know, what he was doing
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off-screen versus what he's saying,
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you know, on-screen,
are two different things.
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Hello, and the topic is creativity...
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Bill Cosby, you know, had
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the very self-possessed,
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dignified demeanor
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of a person who, to me,
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appeared to be operating
in the world on his own terms.
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And I remember being impressed by that.
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How many of you have seen Fat Albert?
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It is a phenomena because...
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it's a show that preaches
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and hopefully teaches.
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That's why it is a phenomenon.
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Your name?
It's Brad Heberly.
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And you watch Fat Albert.
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Why?
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I guess I just--
I like it, it's funny.
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It's a good comedy for--
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But it also is a little more...
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not grown-up, but a little more mature.
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Yeah, one thing kids love
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is cartoons that are mature.
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You know, half of the fun
of life is anticipating.
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Without Fat Albert, kids like me don't grow up
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loving and trusting Bill Cosby.
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We don't turn into teens who
love and trust Bill Cosby
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and then adults who love and trust Bill Cosby.
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I just have to imagine
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that without all that wellspring
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of good feeling for him,
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it would've changed how so many of us reacted
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when we found out what we found out...
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because during the same time,
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when Bill Cosby was doing
everything he could to get
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to the next level of his career,
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there are women who have claimed
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that he sexually assaulted or raped them.
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And these allegations seemed to pop up
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everywhere he was during this time,
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from the set of Uptown Saturday Night,
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even from the set of Picture Pages,
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at the Playboy Mansion,
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and while he's on the road
doing comedy in Nevada.
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apprehensive music
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00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:56,849
The Hilton hotel was where
Bill Cosby was the headliner.
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And so, one day, I was looking
at the gift shop jewelry
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with my sister next to me.
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I think I was about 18 1/2,
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and somebody came up to me and put their arm
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around my neck and said, "Will you marry me?"
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And I turned around to see who that was,
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and there was Bill Cosby.
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And he invited all of us to his show,
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and then after the show,
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somebody came right over to me
and escorted me--
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I guess it was called, like, a green room.
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And then everybody was gone,
but it was only me.
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And he had two white pills
in his hand, and he said--
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and a glass of water, and he said, "Take these."
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And I didn't know what to do.
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Uh, I took the pills.
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Not in a million years,
especially given his persona,
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would anyone have thought that Bill Cosby...
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...would physically attack and/or rape women
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because you wanted to hang out with him,
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you wanted to...
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sort of bask in the glow
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of his relatable, charismatic persona.
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But the general public
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didn't know any of that.
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We were just falling more and more in love
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with him as an educator.
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You are funny, Bill Cosby.
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And he worked hard to make sure we did.
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00:18:31,443 --> 00:18:36,323
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inquisitive music
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Bill Cosby's a fascinating guy,
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because for all of his talk
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about educational achievement,
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his educational journey's real sketchy, right?
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Bill Cosby attended one of the
top high schools in the city,
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but he didn't graduate from there.
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He goes to Germantown High School,
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00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,343
but he drops out.
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He goes to the Navy, and then he gets his GED.
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He then goes to Temple University,
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and he's an athlete there
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and doesn't quite finish then either.
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They eventually give him a degree
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based on his life achievement,
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which to a lot of people
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00:19:09,273 --> 00:19:10,774
is just a secret-agent talk for, like,
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"You gave us a lot of money."
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Then later on, he does go on
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to get a master's degree in education
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from the University of Massachusetts,
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and he gets his doctorate
in education from there,
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although there is considerable
question among some--
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among some--about whether
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he actually wrote the dissertation or not.
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I'm willing to say that he did,
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00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,673
but the dissertation itself is about Fat Albert.
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00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:37,509
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00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:41,513
He's in a doctorate program
while he's doing, you know,
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all his entertainment.
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And so there were always questions
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as to whether or not this was honorary,
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whether he did the work,
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whether somebody else did it for him.
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There's a way that he would have you think
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that he is a kind of champion
of educational success,
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when, in fact, he's had as rough and rugged
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a pathway educationally,
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as many of the people he criticizes.
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This is when you start to see Bill Cosby
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turn into Dr. Bill Cosby,
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which in the comedy community,
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people thought was pretentious as hell.
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The Ed.D. is the lowest
doctorate that you can get.
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So a lot of people with Ed.D.
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will be mad at me for saying that,
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but, you know, you know what it is.
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But for a PhD, like, it's like--
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it's like, you know,
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playing in the G League and playing in the NBA.
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00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,653
It's like, "Dude, you G League.
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00:20:37,694 --> 00:20:39,321
You know, you a basketball player,
461
00:20:39,363 --> 00:20:40,614
but you G League."
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But, I mean, you know,
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he was certainly selling himself
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as Dr. Cosby.
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Two out of two doctors recommend Coca-Cola.
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A big, bold taste to really refresh you.
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Two out of two doctors agree--
no prescription necessary.
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You know, I was a great basketball player
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when I was in college.
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One out of two doctors agree.
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When I met him, he had not yet
done The Cosby Show.
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So he was in the Fat Albert years,
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and he was getting his PhD
in education at UMass.
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I studied in the music department
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at the University of Massachusetts
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from 1974 to 1978.
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There was a conference
held on campus for educators,
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and he was one of the featured
speakers at the conference.
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And I asked, "Why are they
bringing a stand-up comedian
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and a TV star here to speak to educators?"
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And someone said,
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"Well, he's getting
his PhD here in education."
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So I was there the night
he spoke at the conference.
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I have to say that he was
very serious about education
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in a way that was impassioned
and that I admired.
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And the next day,
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I was walking through the campus center,
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and there was a commotion
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in a small crowd to my right as I walked by,
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and I realized he was surrounded by people
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who were seeking autographs.
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So I thought, "I'm gonna go
over, and I'm gonna tell him
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how much I appreciated his remarks,"
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because I was studying education myself.
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I stuck out my hand to shake his hand,
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'cause my father taught me to do that.
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And he took my hand, and he wouldn't let it go.
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He made a comedy routine about it,
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and I was blushing furiously
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because I didn't know what to do,
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that this man would not let my hand go.
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He wanted to know if I was available that evening
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to go to a banquet where he would be speaking
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with the Reverend Jesse Jackson,
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I didn't have any sense that it was a date.
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I really didn't know what was going on.
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And then he said, "So you're a teacher?"
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And I said, "Yes, but not exactly."
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And he said, "What do you mean not exactly?"
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00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:57,042
And I said, "I'm really a singer."
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And he said, "Oh, are you any good?"
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And I said, "I think so,
but I'm not exactly sure
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in this moment what to do about it."
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And he said, "Well, I know what to do about it."
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"I can introduce you to the right people.
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I know exactly what to do."
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And, frankly, that solved a dilemma for me.
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And, again, I never felt like--
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because of his reputation as a family man,
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a father, married for so long,
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it just never occurred to me
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that there might be some ulterior motive there.
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Two weeks later I was invited to a "dinner party"
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at his home in Shelburne Falls,
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and I just expected
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that I might meet part of his family
527
00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:43,630
or I might meet other people
he wanted to introduce me to,
528
00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:46,299
but we were the only people in the house.
529
00:23:46,341 --> 00:23:49,136
My antenna went up a little bit about,
530
00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:50,929
"This is not what I expected,
531
00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:53,765
I don't know how I feel about this."
532
00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:55,976
But I wanted to be grown-up.
533
00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:01,231
He said he was going into the
other room to mix me a drink.
534
00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:03,233
No question about what I might like to drink,
535
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,485
nothing like that, just in the other room.
536
00:24:05,527 --> 00:24:08,071
He came back with something
that looked like water
537
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,199
but was a lot stronger than water.
538
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,619
It was his favorite--
he said his favorite beverage,
539
00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:18,290
but I have since learned,
he really didn't drink.
540
00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:21,626
And he said, "We're gonna do
an improvisational exercise."
541
00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:24,588
And I had never really had
any training as an actress,
542
00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:26,506
so I didn't know what he was talking about.
543
00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:31,094
So he set up a whole scenario
that he wanted me to pretend
544
00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,972
that I was a queen,
545
00:24:34,014 --> 00:24:36,475
but that--and this is
gonna sound very strange,
546
00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,186
it sounded very strange to me--
547
00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:42,189
but that I had oatmeal all over my face,
548
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:44,149
I needed to leave the room,
549
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,860
think about my face
as having oatmeal all over it,
550
00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:51,490
and then return as regally
as I possibly could with the--
551
00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:54,034
knowing the oatmeal was there.
552
00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:55,702
But he said, "But take a couple of sips
553
00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:59,956
of your drink first because you need to relax.
554
00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:02,792
This won't work if you're not relaxed."
555
00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:03,919
So I did.
556
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,670
So I came back in the room,
557
00:25:05,712 --> 00:25:08,840
and I did that, and he said,
"You're not relaxed enough.
558
00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:11,468
Take another couple of sips of your drink."
559
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,011
So I did.
560
00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:16,389
And I think the fourth time we did the exercise,
561
00:25:16,431 --> 00:25:19,184
I noticed that my balance was off,
562
00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:21,811
and I remember thinking, "That's weird.
563
00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:25,565
I haven't even had a half of a drink yet."
564
00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:26,900
And then the next thing I knew,
565
00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:28,818
I was waking up at two in the morning,
566
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,737
and Mr. Cosby was standing over me.
567
00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:33,657
I was in a bed naked under the covers.
568
00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:35,492
He was standing over me in his bathrobe
569
00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,369
with a toothbrush, waking me up,
570
00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:39,329
telling me that I needed to go.
571
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,588
I was very confused, Kamau.
572
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:51,883
I was also sicker than I had
ever felt in my life,
573
00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:54,219
sick to my stomach.
574
00:25:54,261 --> 00:25:57,931
And I said to him, "What happened?"
575
00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,475
And he said, "Oh, you threw up
576
00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:02,561
and passed out in my powder room."
577
00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:06,523
I had no recollection of that,
578
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,692
and I said, "Where's my dress?"
579
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,861
And he said, "Oh, I had to wash it.
580
00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:13,280
It's over there."
581
00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:17,409
And I believed him because I still believed
582
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,077
in his reputation
583
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,539
and therefore believed that
I had just humiliated myself
584
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,958
utterly in front of this famous man
585
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,585
who had offered to help me.
586
00:26:26,626 --> 00:26:29,170
I made it all about my responsibility
587
00:26:29,212 --> 00:26:31,423
and my embarrassment and my shame.
588
00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,800
It never occurred to me that
he'd sexually assaulted me.
589
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,304
All I thought of was,
"I just humiliated myself."
590
00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:44,227
Mr. Cosby called me after
a long absence from my life--
591
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,479
I really thought he'd disappeared for good--
592
00:26:46,521 --> 00:26:49,608
and surprised me, called me, "How are you doing?
593
00:26:49,649 --> 00:26:51,943
I'm gonna be in Atlantic City to do a show.
594
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,446
I'm gonna be on The Dinah Shore Show,
595
00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:56,656
and I'd like you to come
'cause there's some people
596
00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,116
that I'd like to introduce you to."
597
00:26:58,158 --> 00:26:59,200
And I said, "Okay."
598
00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:00,619
You know, I wanted to spend time
599
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:01,953
with this man that kept promising
600
00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:03,747
I was either gonna get a role in a film
601
00:27:03,788 --> 00:27:06,249
or I was gonna be helped in
a singing career or something,
602
00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,960
so I know what my part was.
603
00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:12,047
My part was, I wanted what he was offering.
604
00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:14,758
I didn't want everything that he was doing,
605
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,926
but I wanted what he was offering.
606
00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:18,970
We went to The Dinah Shore Show,
607
00:27:19,012 --> 00:27:20,680
which was very exciting
608
00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:23,892
because she was one
of those women pioneers in TV,
609
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:25,727
I mean, so it was a real honor to meet her.
610
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:29,314
And then the next morning I woke up,
611
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:33,151
and my hair was a mess, my makeup was a mess.
612
00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,111
I was naked.
613
00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:39,616
I was sick like I was that time at his house.
614
00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,826
And, honestly, that
615
00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,537
and the fact that I couldn't
remember what had happened
616
00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,873
were enough for me to connect the dots
617
00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:48,541
between those two events.
618
00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:52,712
And I was angry because I felt
like I'd been penetrated
619
00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:56,049
while I was unconscious.
620
00:27:56,091 --> 00:28:00,011
Had no recollection of it,
but that's how it felt to me.
621
00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,390
And I got dressed, and I stalked out
622
00:28:03,431 --> 00:28:05,558
to the living room and confronted him
623
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,729
and asked him why he had done what he'd done.
624
00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:13,316
And he told me I was being ungrateful
625
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:15,318
and that I needed to leave.
626
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,531
And he also told me Camille was arriving in town.
627
00:28:19,572 --> 00:28:21,366
"- You're ungrateful.
You need to leave.
628
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,910
Camille is arriving."
629
00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:28,873
So I left, and I never heard
from him again, ever.
630
00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:32,460
I do not believe that he ever
wanted or intended to help me.
631
00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:35,755
I felt stupid.
I felt naive.
632
00:28:35,797 --> 00:28:39,300
I felt ashamed.
I felt angry.
633
00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:42,637
I had a lot of conflicting feelings about it.
634
00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:44,264
And since I thought I was the only one,
635
00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:47,600
since I felt exceedingly
stupid for letting it happen,
636
00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:49,269
and since I was ashamed
637
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:53,606
and took more responsibility
for it than I should have,
638
00:28:53,648 --> 00:28:55,525
why would--
why would you talk about it?
639
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,026
Why--
640
00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,696
And also, with his reputation the way it was
641
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:03,783
and believing that no one
would believe me if I did,
642
00:29:03,825 --> 00:29:06,453
why would I talk about it?
643
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:12,917
So what happens in sexual assault?
644
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:17,630
The first thing that happens
is a sense of confusion
645
00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:22,051
because somebody has betrayed...
646
00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:25,972
a belief...
647
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,766
that they had about the person.
648
00:29:27,807 --> 00:29:30,518
So, if I believed that this person was a kind,
649
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,271
upstanding man who was gonna help me,
650
00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,732
then how do I...
651
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,443
begin to accept the fact
652
00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,612
that he could do something so horrible to me?
653
00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:44,908
What does that say about him?
What does that say about me?
654
00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:48,912
What does it say about
my ability to judge people?
655
00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:53,458
And what does it say about what value I hold?
656
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:57,253
This is also the purpose of drugging a victim--
657
00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:59,672
so that they gaslight themselves.
658
00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:02,425
They don't know that this was premeditated,
659
00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:03,927
that there was grooming involved
660
00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:07,514
in getting her to whatever room it was,
661
00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:09,474
that all this was orchestrated intentionally
662
00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:11,476
for her to not have the ability
663
00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:15,313
to know that her consent was violated.
664
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:18,942
When I began to practice law...
665
00:30:18,983 --> 00:30:22,028
persons who alleged that they were victims
666
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,697
of rape and sexual assault
667
00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:28,660
were viewed with a great deal of suspicion.
668
00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:33,039
In fact, there was even a cautionary instruction
669
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,376
given to juries...
670
00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,211
by judges
671
00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:42,590
about believing the testimony
672
00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:44,676
of rape victims.
673
00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:47,011
We have evolved from there,
674
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:51,015
but we still have a long, long way to go,
675
00:30:51,057 --> 00:30:53,017
and...
676
00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:56,563
rapes by a stranger in a dark alley
677
00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:59,023
are less common
678
00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:02,652
than rapes and sexual assaults
679
00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:05,280
by an acquaintance.
680
00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:08,575
A predator is someone who is--
681
00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:12,203
on the face of it, looks very charming.
682
00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:14,747
It is often someone who understands
683
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:17,876
that they want to continue harming people
684
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:20,169
but without being caught.
685
00:31:20,211 --> 00:31:22,171
And so, in order to do that,
686
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:25,258
a predator would have to project an image
687
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,927
of what they want people
to believe that they are
688
00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:32,724
so that they continue
to do harm behind the scenes.
689
00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:34,642
The whole culture had a blind spot,
690
00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:37,937
and Bill Cosby kind of
operated within it, I think.
691
00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:41,649
dramatic music
692
00:31:43,526 --> 00:31:45,987
Up in my room, on my menu,
693
00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,114
they want a dollar thirty-five,
694
00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:49,824
one egg, any style.
695
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:53,786
That's got to be a hell of an egg.
696
00:31:53,828 --> 00:31:56,748
It's got to be a hell of a chicken.
697
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:59,250
And I want to see the rooster, too.
698
00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:02,420
699
00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,798
Bill Cosby spent the '70s onstage a lot,
700
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,301
and one of his main spots was Nevada,
701
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,469
not just Vegas--
702
00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:11,137
Reno, and Tahoe,
703
00:32:11,179 --> 00:32:13,431
which is kind of weird, honestly.
704
00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,143
Cosby's fourth album is recorded in Lake Tahoe.
705
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:21,814
It seemed like his favorite place to play,
706
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,734
and for those of us who play
707
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,612
Vegas or Reno or Tahoe,
708
00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:29,989
you notice most comedian's specials
709
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:32,659
are not taped any of those places.
710
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:34,786
They're usually in a city somewhere
711
00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,913
or on a campus somewhere.
712
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,457
So it was really surprising to me
713
00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:42,835
that that was his home-base audience.
714
00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:44,837
And to tell you the truth, to this day,
715
00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:46,631
I don't know what to make of it.
716
00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:49,092
dramatic music
717
00:32:53,012 --> 00:32:56,015
They call it the biggest
little city in the world.
718
00:32:56,057 --> 00:32:58,893
All the casinos and entertainment
719
00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:00,728
was clustered in,
720
00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:03,940
it seemed like a four-
or five-block square area
721
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,025
in the early '80s.
722
00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,944
When I moved to Reno,
723
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:11,155
I was about 22,
724
00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:13,783
and I got a job at Harrah's.
725
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:17,036
The weird and awkward thing
726
00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,122
about applying for cocktail waitressing
727
00:33:19,163 --> 00:33:22,709
is you go to the beverage manager's office.
728
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,712
You take off your jacket,
and you stand in front of him,
729
00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:28,631
and he looks you up and down,
has you turn around
730
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:32,176
to make sure you look right
731
00:33:32,218 --> 00:33:33,845
and sexy, I guess.
732
00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:36,889
And it was gross, now that I think of it.
733
00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:39,517
And he did say to me,
"I want you to keep an eye
734
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,185
on those thighs,"
735
00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:42,562
looking at my thighs.
736
00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:44,397
And I'm like, "Okay."
737
00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:47,066
And that was the end of it.
738
00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:50,111
Nowadays, he'd be so sued,
739
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:53,740
but I took it then, as we all did.
740
00:33:53,781 --> 00:33:56,034
Since I worked in one of the showrooms,
741
00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,745
I was fortunate enough
to meet several people there.
742
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:00,496
I met Smokey Robinson,
743
00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:04,208
and I met Loretta Lynn and Wayne Newton
744
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:06,586
and it was all wow to me,
745
00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:09,839
like glitz and glamour kind of thing.
746
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:11,382
When he would come to Harrah's,
747
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,009
I knew of him, of course.
748
00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,886
Everybody did.
749
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:18,306
I believe he had a long friendly relationship
750
00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:20,600
with Mr. Harrah while he was alive.
751
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:24,437
He was a big, big draw at Harrah's.
752
00:34:24,479 --> 00:34:26,230
So what happened was,
753
00:34:26,272 --> 00:34:28,232
one of the cocktail waitresses
754
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:31,277
in the showroom said,
755
00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:33,279
"Bill is having a pizza party.
756
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,614
Do you want to come with me?"
757
00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:36,115
And I said, "Sure."
758
00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:38,034
I thought she just wanted
759
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,536
a wingman kind of to go with her.
760
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,789
Bill Cosby opened the front door
761
00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:46,042
and greeted us.
762
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,461
I don't recall what he said--
'Hi," you know, whatever.
763
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,797
And he opened the door,
764
00:34:50,838 --> 00:34:52,799
and I realized there was no party.
765
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,801
It was just me and Judy.
766
00:34:54,842 --> 00:34:58,096
My initial thought was,
"Well, this is kind of cool.
767
00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,264
This is Bill Cosby.
768
00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:03,851
I'll stay and have a beer and a slice of pizza,
769
00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:06,187
and then I'll, you know, excuse myself."
770
00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,439
He asked if we wanted to play backgammon,
771
00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:10,399
and I'm a little competitive,
772
00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:13,069
so I'm like, "Yeah, baby, I'll take you on."
773
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,990
And before we started, he held out his hand,
774
00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:22,120
and I believe he said they were Quaaludes.
775
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:25,206
I can't recall that for sure.
776
00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:27,750
And he said, "Do you want
to take one of these?"
777
00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:31,003
And I had tried Quaaludes before,
778
00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,091
and, to me, they just made you a little drunk
779
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,427
without getting drunk and having a hangover.
780
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:39,846
And I said, "Sure."
781
00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:44,433
And I took one, and he put
a second one in my hand,
782
00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,644
and he said, "No, take two. It's okay."
783
00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:48,354
And he...
784
00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,523
And so I thought,
785
00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,526
"Okay, this is Bill Cosby.
786
00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,153
He must know what he's talking about."
787
00:35:55,194 --> 00:35:57,363
I planned on staying initially,
788
00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:58,865
like, an hour anyway,
789
00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:02,535
so I didn't think it was
gonna be as bad as it was,
790
00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,872
and it was almost immediate.
791
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:11,294
We started playing the game, and everything--
792
00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:13,421
my head...
793
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:16,424
everything was getting woozy.
794
00:36:16,465 --> 00:36:20,011
And I was looking down
at the backgammon board,
795
00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:22,930
and I said, "This game's not fair anymore."
796
00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:24,473
And he said, "Why not?"
797
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:27,518
And I go, "'Cause I can
no longer see the board."
798
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,189
And I faceplanted straight
into the backgammon board.
799
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:34,734
The next thing I remember
is him helping me stand up
800
00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:37,486
and walking me up the stairs to a bedroom,
801
00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:39,197
because I couldn't really walk--
802
00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:40,656
he had to hold me,
803
00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:43,576
and everything was spinning
804
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,412
and swirling and woozy--
805
00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,040
and bringing me to a bedroom.
806
00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:50,917
I don't remember getting undressed.
807
00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:52,710
I don't remember getting into the bedroom.
808
00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:54,253
I don't remember any of that.
809
00:36:54,295 --> 00:36:56,255
The next thing I do remember
810
00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:59,091
was the next morning when I woke up.
811
00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:01,719
I, first of all, was like,
"Where the hell am I?"
812
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,598
And then I knew I was naked.
813
00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:09,769
And he was in bed naked next to me.
814
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:13,689
So he rolls over and starts talking to me,
815
00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:18,444
and I apologized to him for passing out,
816
00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,154
because I was embarrassed,
817
00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:21,948
and I said, "I don't know what happened.
818
00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:23,449
I'm so sorry."
819
00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:26,244
And I started grabbing my clothes,
820
00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:27,328
and I got dressed.
821
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,413
And I got to the front door,
822
00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:32,208
and I guess he was actually walking me out,
823
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,585
and I remember opening the door
824
00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:36,295
and seeing my car.
825
00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,297
And he stopped the door,
826
00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:40,299
and he looked down at me, and he goes,
827
00:37:40,341 --> 00:37:43,135
"Now, this is between me and you."
828
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:45,805
And he went like this
and put his finger on him,
829
00:37:45,846 --> 00:37:47,306
like, shh, be quiet.
830
00:37:47,348 --> 00:37:48,975
And...
831
00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:52,436
I said, "I wasn't planning
on alerting the media."
832
00:37:52,478 --> 00:37:53,771
And I left.
833
00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:56,315
The whole experience was so mortifying,
834
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,901
not because I thought I was raped,
835
00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:02,655
but because I fucked up, I took the drugs,
836
00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:06,784
I passed out, you know, me, me, me.
837
00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:11,747
I was perpetuating...
838
00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:15,209
exactly what victim blaming does all the time,
839
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:17,545
but I was blaming myself.
840
00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:21,507
I was the one perpetuating that myth
841
00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:24,927
that I did something wrong...
842
00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:29,265
and therefore I got fucked...
843
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,642
in more ways than one.
844
00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:35,938
Quaalude is a white pill
845
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,648
a little smaller than a dime.
846
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,526
It was synthesized in India in 1951
847
00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:42,486
and later went on the worldwide market
848
00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:44,572
as a sedative or sleeping pill.
849
00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:48,743
Quaalude was steadily increasing in popularity
850
00:38:48,784 --> 00:38:52,371
from the date of its introduction in 1965,
851
00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:56,042
and it reached peak popularity
in the United States in 1972.
852
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,295
Millions and millions of prescriptions
853
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,214
were being written in the United States.
854
00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:03,758
It was actually routine
855
00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:07,178
to combine alcohol and Quaalude.
856
00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:11,223
The effect of combining Quaalude with alcohol,
857
00:39:11,265 --> 00:39:13,934
it would allow you to get more
858
00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,729
out of both of the substances.
859
00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:18,439
I mean, it's possible that--
860
00:39:18,481 --> 00:39:20,358
and really actually very likely
861
00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:24,695
that Cosby was leveraging Quaalude's
862
00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:29,700
somewhat Rosy, innocuous reputation...
863
00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,911
because he understood
that it was the sort of drug
864
00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:33,496
that someone would want to take.
865
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:34,830
I mean, this is kind of,
866
00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:37,458
I think, one of the major misconceptions
867
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,461
about drug-facilitated sexual assault,
868
00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:45,007
is this idea that there's some boundary
869
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,968
between consensual and nonconsensual drug use,
870
00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:49,637
when it's often the case
871
00:39:49,678 --> 00:39:52,139
that people will consensually use a drug
872
00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:54,558
because they're operating on the assumption
873
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,186
that they're not in the presence of a rapist.
874
00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:59,397
Someone can consent to taking a Quaalude
875
00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,190
and consent to having a beverage
876
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,234
but not consent to any of the sexual activity
877
00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:05,903
that might happen when they're unconscious,
878
00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,614
because what happens during sex
879
00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,450
when we involve substances
880
00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,911
is it messes with our ability to consent.
881
00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:17,289
I would place an enormous amount of emphasis
882
00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:19,708
on the sexual assault
883
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,129
and very little emphasis
884
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:25,965
on the drug use that may accompany it,
885
00:40:26,006 --> 00:40:29,468
which I think is largely inconsequential.
886
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:31,095
You know, when you go through
these medical reports
887
00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:34,140
and you look at the result
888
00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:36,684
of urine analysis in self-reported
889
00:40:36,725 --> 00:40:38,811
drug-facilitated sexual assaults,
890
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:42,106
what you find is that it's often alcohol
891
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,316
that is responsible.
892
00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:46,986
And does that mean that
there are no date-rape drugs?
893
00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:48,487
No, it doesn't mean that at all.
894
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:50,448
It means that alcohol is a date-rape drug,
895
00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,492
and every time we place our emphasis
896
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:57,163
on some surreptitiously administered powder
897
00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:59,165
that you have to guard your drink against,
898
00:40:59,206 --> 00:41:01,459
we're forgetting the fact
that it's the drink itself
899
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,170
that is most likely what is going to be used.
900
00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,797
So I think the idea of what is a date-rape drug
901
00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:10,301
is almost like asking,
"What is a murder knife?"
902
00:41:10,342 --> 00:41:13,512
It's any knife used by a murderer.
903
00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:14,638
This is Bill Cosby.
904
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,015
Now that everybody has told you
905
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,683
about the dangers of doing drugs,
906
00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:19,977
I'd like to tell you
about some of the benefits.
907
00:41:20,019 --> 00:41:21,854
Just imagine yourself unconscious
908
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,106
making a visit to a hospital emergency room,
909
00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:26,192
weeks in rehabilitation centers,
910
00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,860
nights in overcrowded prisons,
911
00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,362
spending more money than you can afford,
912
00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:32,448
ruining your health, hurting your parents,
913
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,699
losing your loved ones,
914
00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,160
and, most of all, destroying yourself.
915
00:41:36,202 --> 00:41:38,913
Remember what I say about doing drugs--
916
00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:42,041
I think you can say no.
917
00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:45,085
Oh, the hypocrisy.
918
00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:47,087
"Imagine you're unconscious"
919
00:41:47,129 --> 00:41:49,173
was the first thing that hit me.
920
00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:50,841
He should have continued,
921
00:41:50,883 --> 00:41:53,886
"Because that's when I do my best work."
922
00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:58,557
You don't often learn that your heroes
923
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,561
are really the worst sorts of villain.
924
00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:08,400
Like, that's not something
that's a normal experience.
925
00:42:08,442 --> 00:42:11,570
Or that this person
who you think of as a hero
926
00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:15,658
has fooled the entire country
927
00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:18,744
about what their character really is.
928
00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:21,747
soft music
929
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:25,167
930
00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:29,338
It was so different.
931
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,091
I moved there in 1973.
932
00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:33,926
It was the cowboy town.
933
00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:36,554
There were maybe 60,000 or 70,000 residents
934
00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:38,222
that lived there.
935
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:41,058
You'd see stars all over the place.
936
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,727
See gangsters at Las Vegas Country Club,
937
00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:46,480
and one of the gals I played tennis with,
938
00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:49,775
her brother-in-law was Tony "The Ant" Spilotro,
939
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:52,027
who ended up dead in a cornfield.
940
00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,450
That's correct.
941
00:42:58,492 --> 00:42:59,535
They're there for a couple of weeks at a time.
942
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:00,953
They're performers,
943
00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:02,580
and they still want to pursue their off day
944
00:43:02,621 --> 00:43:04,206
and have some fun.
945
00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,917
And so it was not uncommon to see people there.
946
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,212
947
00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:13,132
In 1981, I lived in Las Vegas.
948
00:43:13,173 --> 00:43:14,883
I was 24 years old
949
00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:18,554
and belonged to a private tennis club.
950
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,973
The name of the club was Cambridge Racquet Club.
951
00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:24,935
It was where all the stars
that played tennis would come.
952
00:43:24,977 --> 00:43:27,313
That's where Andre Agassi trained.
953
00:43:27,354 --> 00:43:30,649
He was about ten when I started playing there.
954
00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:34,069
I do have an incredible top-spin backhand
955
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,904
two-handed lob that I use in pickleball
956
00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:37,948
and I learned straight
from Andre when he was a kid.
957
00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:45,581
I was playing in the club
mixed doubles championship,
958
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:48,500
and the tournament director
asked, "Hey, Cosby's in town.
959
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,210
He wants to play in the private tournament.
960
00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:51,462
Do you care?"
961
00:43:54,548 --> 00:43:56,175
My partner, Herman, and I said,
962
00:43:56,216 --> 00:43:57,718
"- No, we don't care.
We'll beat anybody.
963
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,928
That's all right.
Bring him on."
964
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:04,391
And that's the first time that I met him.
965
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:06,060
He challenged us to a bet--
966
00:44:06,101 --> 00:44:08,771
if you and your partner beat us,
967
00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:11,065
you can come to my show tonight, front-row seat.
968
00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:12,608
Okay, now let's get down to business.
969
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,109
I'm saying to my partner,
970
00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:16,862
"Okay, it's time to kick
some backside now, come on."
971
00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,366
I was 100% certain that my partner and I
972
00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:23,786
would beat Bill Cosby and his partner,
973
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:25,621
and I'm going to tell you right now,
974
00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,831
it's the only competitive match in my life
975
00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:30,709
that I wish I hadn't have won.
976
00:44:30,751 --> 00:44:33,379
So it was late on a Saturday.
977
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,797
My partner, Herman,
978
00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,882
happened to work at the Las Vegas Hilton
979
00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,885
as the head maitre d' in the showroom,
980
00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:41,887
so he saw acts every night.
981
00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:43,806
And my extra bad luck
982
00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,974
is that he was working that night,
983
00:44:46,016 --> 00:44:47,893
so it was too late for me to get anyone else,
984
00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:50,896
so I guess I'll go by myself.
985
00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:53,399
When I got to the Hilton,
986
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,069
I said, "Hey, Herman, I'm here
for that front-row seat."
987
00:44:57,111 --> 00:44:58,570
He said, "Well, you've been invited
988
00:44:58,612 --> 00:45:00,531
to go backstage to his dressing room."
989
00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:03,158
So someone, and I can't
describe or tell you who,
990
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,411
took me into the dressing room.
991
00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,497
There was a giant array of fruits and food,
992
00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:11,750
and Cosby came on my right side
993
00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:14,086
and handed me a champagne flute.
994
00:45:14,128 --> 00:45:16,672
Now, I was just a kid,
but I knew what that was.
995
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,173
And it had a clear liquid in it
996
00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:19,425
with something red in the bottom,
997
00:45:19,466 --> 00:45:21,427
and I assumed it to be fruit.
998
00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:25,431
So I took a sip of what
I assumed was champagne,
999
00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:26,765
and I thought, "You'd think
1000
00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,100
that he could afford something better.
1001
00:45:28,142 --> 00:45:30,185
This is a terrible taste."
1002
00:45:30,227 --> 00:45:32,354
But I drank probably half of it.
1003
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,107
But these are my last three conscious memories.
1004
00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:36,608
Looking to my left--
1005
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:38,944
I can't move my body, just my eyes.
1006
00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:41,739
I'm thinking, "That's the
biggest cappuccino machine
1007
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:43,574
I've ever seen.
1008
00:45:43,615 --> 00:45:46,744
I can't believe you're kissing
me wearing your wife's--
1009
00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:49,121
an ID bracelet with your wife's name on it,
1010
00:45:49,163 --> 00:45:51,874
and I didn't know your skin would be so soft."
1011
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,127
Done.
1012
00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:57,963
I don't know how I got home.
I don't know if I drove.
1013
00:45:58,005 --> 00:46:00,883
I would find it pretty hard
to believe that I drove.
1014
00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:02,468
I went back to the tennis club,
1015
00:46:02,509 --> 00:46:04,178
and the tournament desk
1016
00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:07,806
handed me one of the old message papers.
1017
00:46:07,848 --> 00:46:09,892
Here, "Cosby called.
He wants you to call him."
1018
00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:11,393
So I did call,
1019
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:14,438
and I was going to give him
a piece of my mind,
1020
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,148
but I never got those words out
1021
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:18,650
because he was so skilled.
1022
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,489
He said, "I'm sorry about
what happened last night.
1023
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:27,326
I guess I got the wrong idea
of what you wanted
1024
00:46:27,367 --> 00:46:29,578
because you drank too much."
1025
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:34,416
And suddenly, I feel this big.
1026
00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:37,586
He also said, which hasn't
been talked about much,
1027
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,087
"Let me make it up to you.
1028
00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:41,006
You didn't get to see the show.
1029
00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:43,509
Come back tonight between
the first and second show.
1030
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:45,010
I don't have any friends.
1031
00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:47,137
Everybody just thinks I'm a star,
1032
00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,348
and I just want to play backgammon."
1033
00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:50,933
And I fell for it.
1034
00:46:52,351 --> 00:46:53,977
I went.
1035
00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,021
I didn't--I said, "I'm not
drinking when I'm there,"
1036
00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:57,689
because, remember, he told me
I had drank too much,
1037
00:46:57,731 --> 00:46:59,733
and so, of course, I'm gonna believe it.
1038
00:46:59,775 --> 00:47:02,444
He's an old Bill Cosby.
What do I know?
1039
00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:05,531
I'm just a kid that must have made a mistake.
1040
00:47:05,572 --> 00:47:08,575
So I just assumed he was right.
1041
00:47:08,617 --> 00:47:12,412
Naive, drank too much...
1042
00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:15,707
but I know better now.
1043
00:47:15,749 --> 00:47:18,335
We played backgammon.
He stood up.
1044
00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:20,629
"Okay, I got to go get ready for the show."
1045
00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,549
I stood up, expecting to be taken to a seat,
1046
00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:25,926
and he grabbed on to me
1047
00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:28,720
and was trying to kiss me, but now I'm sober.
1048
00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,097
He had an erection.
1049
00:47:30,138 --> 00:47:32,224
It was pressed right up against me,
1050
00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:34,393
I got away from him.
1051
00:47:34,434 --> 00:47:36,061
I mean, he's bigger than me,
1052
00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:40,023
but I was able to fend him off.
1053
00:47:40,065 --> 00:47:41,567
And I went home, going,
1054
00:47:41,608 --> 00:47:44,570
"Well, he has certainly shown who he is."
1055
00:47:44,611 --> 00:47:46,363
And someone said, "Why didn't
you go to the police?"
1056
00:47:46,405 --> 00:47:48,240
I didn't know adultery was against the law.
1057
00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,658
That's what I thought.
1058
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,243
That's all I thought.
1059
00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:54,663
That's all I thought.
1060
00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:56,081
I don't know what happened.
1061
00:47:56,123 --> 00:47:58,083
I didn't wake up in his bed.
1062
00:47:58,125 --> 00:47:59,960
I don't have trauma
1063
00:48:00,002 --> 00:48:03,380
of precise rape.
1064
00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:06,174
I don't know what happened,
but I know something happened.
1065
00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:09,887
Kissing me without my
permission is sexual assault.
1066
00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:11,722
Now, would I want to get hypnotized?
1067
00:48:11,763 --> 00:48:13,140
You remember what that was?
1068
00:48:13,181 --> 00:48:14,182
Hell, no.
1069
00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:21,607
What is it?
Bill Cosby: Himself.
1070
00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:23,150
Yes.
If it ain't you, who is it?
1071
00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,444
Well, it depends on who's in the room.
1072
00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:28,906
Madame, I want to thank you for doing that,
1073
00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:30,198
but I feel a little silly.
1074
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,492
I didn't come here tonight to push my album.
1075
00:48:32,534 --> 00:48:34,036
Oh, well...
Yeah
1076
00:48:34,077 --> 00:48:35,704
...it's almost as silly as selling Coca-Cola,
1077
00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,623
computers, and Jell-O, isn't it?
1078
00:48:39,249 --> 00:48:41,251
There was a stand-up-comedy boom
1079
00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:44,004
in the '70s that only got bigger in the '80s.
1080
00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:47,049
Stand-up comics were becoming
as big as rock stars.
1081
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,927
Steve Martin, Richard Pryor, George Carlin,
1082
00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,804
and eventually Eddie Murphy.
1083
00:48:52,846 --> 00:48:55,474
And stand-up was also
becoming way more X-Rated.
1084
00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:56,975
Hope no one gets offended.
1085
00:48:57,017 --> 00:49:00,020
I want to talk about fucking.
1086
00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:01,355
This is where you do your best fucking,
1087
00:49:01,396 --> 00:49:03,231
when you just start to learn your body
1088
00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:06,777
and getting all your shoulders
in on the fucking.
1089
00:49:06,818 --> 00:49:08,236
Bill Cosby was still releasing
1090
00:49:08,278 --> 00:49:09,571
G-rated comedy albums.
1091
00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:21,667
But these weren't celebrated
like his earlier albums.
1092
00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:24,503
It seemed like stand-up
comedy was passing him by,
1093
00:49:24,544 --> 00:49:27,130
and also, comedy was moving away from the album
1094
00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:28,757
to something bigger.
1095
00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:31,551
HBO specials are starting to happen.
1096
00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:33,178
Robert Klein was the first one,
1097
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,138
and then Carlin jumped on,
1098
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:38,100
and then, of course, Pryor
comes out with this film,
1099
00:49:38,141 --> 00:49:40,394
Richard Pryor:
Live in Concert.
1100
00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:43,063
Even though HBO had already
done some comedy specials,
1101
00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,691
this was, like, the high water mark.
1102
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:48,819
Richard Pryor had had success
taping his stand-up
1103
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,238
and releasing them in movie theaters.
1104
00:49:51,279 --> 00:49:53,365
What you taking my picture for?
1105
00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,158
Who you gonna show it to?
1106
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,036
Sit your ugly ass down.
1107
00:49:58,078 --> 00:50:01,123
And that really built
up Richard Pryor's career.
1108
00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:03,792
I think Bill Cosby was like,
1109
00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:05,335
"Oh, you think you know
1110
00:50:05,377 --> 00:50:08,839
how to do a single-person comedy special?
1111
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,924
Guess what.
Watch the master."
1112
00:50:12,384 --> 00:50:15,053
Bill Cosby: Himself--
1113
00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,222
If you're a true comedy fan,
1114
00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:21,226
you can tell that this dude
is a master at his craft.
1115
00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:25,564
Even the best comics you think of right now
1116
00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:29,735
can't just sit down in a chair and kill.
1117
00:50:29,776 --> 00:50:32,738
First of all, in stand-up,
when you see comics sit down,
1118
00:50:32,779 --> 00:50:35,073
we be like, "You ain't--
Who are you?
1119
00:50:35,115 --> 00:50:38,118
Motherfucker, you ain't
Bill Cosby, motherfucker.
1120
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,455
Boy, am I glad to be back here.
1121
00:50:41,496 --> 00:50:43,206
Bill Cosby sat down
1122
00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:45,125
and had the microphone on his knee.
1123
00:50:46,334 --> 00:50:48,045
Are you fucking kidding me?
1124
00:50:48,086 --> 00:50:51,089
He's doing TV shows.
He's doing movies.
1125
00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:52,382
He's doing cartoons.
1126
00:50:52,424 --> 00:50:54,259
All those other things are fine,
1127
00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:58,221
but with Bill Cosby: Himself,
he gets back to the roots.
1128
00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:02,225
This is the transition from young Cosby,
1129
00:51:02,267 --> 00:51:06,354
like, the athlete, to, oh, I'm the dad.
1130
00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:09,107
He's not the sexy guy in I Spy.
1131
00:51:09,149 --> 00:51:11,526
He's not sort of the cool uncle.
1132
00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,028
He comes out wearing glasses.
1133
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:16,948
He's a lot fleshier than he was in I Spy.
1134
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,785
Middle age is starting to show in Bill Cosby.
1135
00:51:19,826 --> 00:51:22,788
He didn't come out in the leather suit.
1136
00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:24,790
It wasn't the swagger.
1137
00:51:24,831 --> 00:51:27,793
The stage is completely sparse.
1138
00:51:27,834 --> 00:51:29,461
Part of it's to keep the focus on him.
1139
00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:31,421
You're not getting distracted by anything else.
1140
00:51:31,463 --> 00:51:33,048
You're just listening to what he's saying.
1141
00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:36,760
It's a lot of his observational humor
1142
00:51:36,802 --> 00:51:38,929
in the most conversational kind of way.
1143
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:41,640
Like, you don't even feel like
you really watching stand-up.
1144
00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:43,642
There are bits in this special
1145
00:51:43,683 --> 00:51:45,769
that people are still talking about.
1146
00:51:45,811 --> 00:51:48,021
Chocolate cake, coming up!
1147
00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:50,774
Four slices.
1148
00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:52,859
Daddy's great
1149
00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:58,532
Give us the chocolate cake
1150
00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:02,828
And we had a ball until...
1151
00:52:08,166 --> 00:52:09,751
And the bit from this special
1152
00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:12,671
that everybody remembers is the dentist.
1153
00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:17,634
Dentists...
1154
00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:20,095
tell you not to pick your teeth
1155
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:24,182
with any sharp metal object.
1156
00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:25,934
Then you sit in their chair.
1157
00:52:28,728 --> 00:52:32,274
Now the dentist pulls out a needle.
1158
00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:34,151
This is to deaden in the pain.
1159
00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,531
Now, a regular doctor
giving you a shot will go...
1160
00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:41,324
And that's it.
1161
00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:42,534
Sound effects.
1162
00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:44,202
Dentists don't do that.
They go...
1163
00:52:49,082 --> 00:52:52,377
So the dentist comes back.
You want to talk to him.
1164
00:52:52,419 --> 00:52:54,379
So you say...
1165
00:52:58,258 --> 00:52:59,718
"I beg your pardon."
1166
00:53:04,097 --> 00:53:06,057
Yeah, he got it.
He's covering it all.
1167
00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:08,643
I love how he would imitate
1168
00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:11,146
a conversation between two people.
1169
00:53:19,738 --> 00:53:21,990
This bit became so huge,
1170
00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:25,410
Bill Cosby could still close
on it 20 years later.
1171
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:28,330
The Cosby dental joke is so...
1172
00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:31,499
so solid in our American culture
1173
00:53:31,541 --> 00:53:34,711
that if you do a dental joke,
it better be so different
1174
00:53:34,753 --> 00:53:35,921
'cause a motherfucker be like,
1175
00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:38,256
"- That's Cosby, man.
Switch up."
1176
00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:39,883
He's talking about his wife.
1177
00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:41,343
He's talking about his kids.
1178
00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:43,094
He's talking about being a dad,
1179
00:53:43,136 --> 00:53:45,347
stuff a lot of comics talk about,
1180
00:53:45,388 --> 00:53:47,432
but it's the way he's talking about it.
1181
00:53:47,474 --> 00:53:49,434
You get just as angry with a child,
1182
00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:51,478
and you don't want to say, "But what the filth?
1183
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,730
And I'll bust your filth and foul,
1184
00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:55,565
and I'll filth your face,
1185
00:53:55,607 --> 00:53:57,150
and, yeah, you filth and foul,
1186
00:53:57,192 --> 00:54:00,320
foul, filth and I'll filth in your foul, filth."
1187
00:54:00,362 --> 00:54:03,657
As banal as all of the subjects are,
1188
00:54:03,698 --> 00:54:07,494
the level of comedic brilliance
1189
00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,413
as far as a performance goes for Cosby
1190
00:54:10,455 --> 00:54:12,290
is really underrated
1191
00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:16,127
because he's not doing
anything shocking in any way.
1192
00:54:16,169 --> 00:54:19,256
I think there's one bit of profanity in it.
1193
00:54:19,297 --> 00:54:21,091
He uses the word "asshole,"
1194
00:54:21,132 --> 00:54:23,510
but he uses it in a way
1195
00:54:23,551 --> 00:54:25,804
that the audience will forgive.
1196
00:54:25,845 --> 00:54:29,474
I said, "Tell me, you know,
what is it about cocaine
1197
00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:31,476
that makes it so wonderful?"
1198
00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:33,979
And the guy said, "Well...
1199
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:36,982
it intensifies your personality."
1200
00:54:39,025 --> 00:54:41,820
And I said, "Yes, but
what if you're an asshole?"
1201
00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:47,993
And Bill Cosby does the thing
1202
00:54:48,034 --> 00:54:50,328
that after the success of this film,
1203
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:52,831
comics would repeatedly try to replicate.
1204
00:54:52,872 --> 00:54:54,833
He's using his special
1205
00:54:54,874 --> 00:54:58,211
to pitch his next idea--
his TV show.
1206
00:54:58,253 --> 00:55:00,171
Latter half of that film,
1207
00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:02,173
it's all about being a family man,
1208
00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:05,260
but especially being a father of five children.
1209
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:07,429
Our children enjoy their dinner
1210
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:10,932
because my wife allows them
to listen to their music.
1211
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:14,352
So, if you get to...
1212
00:55:14,394 --> 00:55:17,105
And the children eat, and they...
1213
00:55:17,147 --> 00:55:18,565
Sound familiar?
1214
00:55:22,777 --> 00:55:24,863
I don't look at them.
I just keep...
1215
00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:29,909
He's giving you the befuddled father.
1216
00:55:29,951 --> 00:55:32,162
You know, all these things are
kind of happening around him,
1217
00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:34,122
and he's just trying
to hold body and soul together
1218
00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:35,707
without killing his children.
1219
00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:40,378
Also, people with one child
do not have to go through--
1220
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:43,548
will you stop touching me?
1221
00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,009
I mean, if you got one child
and the child's doing that,
1222
00:55:46,051 --> 00:55:48,345
then you got to take it away, you know?
1223
00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:50,972
Somewhere, a TV exec watched this and thought,
1224
00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:53,016
"Hmm, is America ready
1225
00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,727
for a new Black family sitcom?"
1226
00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,355
Bill Cosby's genius is that
1227
00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:02,776
he took just this everyday mundane stuff
1228
00:56:02,817 --> 00:56:05,820
and literally crafted
1229
00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:10,075
this whole comedy aura around it.
1230
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:16,039
If Bill Cosby's career had ended that night,
1231
00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:18,917
he would've been cemented as one of the greats.
1232
00:56:18,958 --> 00:56:23,046
But because of his relentlessness in the '70s,
1233
00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:25,715
his connection to America's kids,
1234
00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:28,385
and the capricious nature of showbiz,
1235
00:56:28,426 --> 00:56:30,470
Bill Cosby would soon reach
1236
00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:32,889
a level of fame, wealth, and power
1237
00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:35,350
that no one could have imagined.
1238
00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:39,687
You know, one thing I remember that...
1239
00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:41,106
I was at work one day,
1240
00:56:41,147 --> 00:56:43,775
and somebody was talking about The Cosby Show,
1241
00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:47,278
and I said...
1242
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,281
"That guy is not as squeaky clean as you think."
1243
00:56:50,323 --> 00:56:52,117
I didn't care that he had a hit.
1244
00:56:52,158 --> 00:56:53,576
I didn't care if it was a flop.
1245
00:56:53,618 --> 00:56:55,120
I didn't care either way.
1246
00:56:55,161 --> 00:56:57,705
I just kept thinking that he's
got everybody fooled.
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