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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,463 --> 00:00:08,633 Now, if you tell the history of slavery right, 2 00:00:08,675 --> 00:00:10,719 you got a big problem on your hands. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,556 The slave trader didn't take some savage out of Africa. 4 00:00:14,597 --> 00:00:16,891 He took a human being. 5 00:00:16,933 --> 00:00:18,059 Now, if you want to look history 6 00:00:18,101 --> 00:00:20,061 right straight in the eye, 7 00:00:20,103 --> 00:00:22,230 you're going to get a black eye. 8 00:00:22,272 --> 00:00:25,066 Wait a minute. Is this Bill Cosby? 9 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:26,568 Most Hollywood films, though, 10 00:00:26,609 --> 00:00:29,112 even the early ones weren't really nasty. 11 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:30,697 Nobody was sitting around saying, 12 00:00:30,739 --> 00:00:32,741 "Hey, let's take care of the niggers." 13 00:00:32,782 --> 00:00:35,577 Uh, did Bill Cosby just drop the N-bomb? 14 00:00:35,618 --> 00:00:37,120 Are we talking about the same Bill Cosby? 15 00:00:37,162 --> 00:00:39,080 Bill Cosby's the only black man in America 16 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:40,623 who could do that and more or less get away with it. 17 00:00:40,665 --> 00:00:42,083 Napoleon once said, 18 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:43,626 "History is a fable agreed upon, 19 00:00:43,668 --> 00:00:46,087 and the fable agreed upon up to now 20 00:00:46,129 --> 00:00:48,715 is that American history is white on white." 21 00:00:48,757 --> 00:00:52,093 What in the critical race theory is going on? 22 00:00:52,135 --> 00:00:54,971 ethereal percussive music 23 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:59,934 24 00:01:42,352 --> 00:01:44,979 No, Cosby was very much a race man. 25 00:01:45,021 --> 00:01:46,356 He made that clear. 26 00:01:46,397 --> 00:01:48,775 The thing that's most evident is his hosting 27 00:01:48,817 --> 00:01:51,152 of the 1968 special 28 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:53,780 Black History: Lost, Stolen, or Strayed. 29 00:01:53,822 --> 00:01:55,365 It's actually written by Andy Rooney. 30 00:01:55,406 --> 00:01:57,951 There was a whole series of specials that year 31 00:01:57,992 --> 00:02:01,329 by CBS called of Black America. 32 00:02:01,371 --> 00:02:02,622 It's like, 33 00:02:02,664 --> 00:02:04,415 rather than burn down the neighborhoods, 34 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:06,334 let's put some Black people on TV. 35 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:07,961 Did you know, in some states, it used to be 36 00:02:08,002 --> 00:02:10,755 against the law to teach blacks to read or write? 37 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:12,632 That special is really powerful, 38 00:02:12,674 --> 00:02:15,635 and it was not comedic in any way. 39 00:02:15,677 --> 00:02:17,846 It was not Cosby. 40 00:02:17,887 --> 00:02:21,808 Cosby, he literally was being militant about stuff 41 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:24,018 that you do not know that they're not teaching you. 42 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:28,857 Sometimes we did get into the history books all wrong. 43 00:02:28,898 --> 00:02:30,608 And what's interesting about it is, 44 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:32,652 he is quoting from history books. 45 00:02:32,694 --> 00:02:35,488 He's angry. He's disgusted. 46 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,699 As for Sambo... 47 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:39,409 Sambo. 48 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:40,994 He goes through this litany of names. 49 00:02:41,035 --> 00:02:42,704 How about the North Pole? 50 00:02:42,745 --> 00:02:46,249 Well, the first man there was Black--Matthew Henson. 51 00:02:46,291 --> 00:02:49,252 All these names that nobody knows because they were Black. 52 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:50,587 And the point he's making 53 00:02:50,628 --> 00:02:52,881 is about the whitewashing of history. 54 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:55,717 It talks about how our self-image 55 00:02:55,758 --> 00:02:59,637 has been deformed because of racism. 56 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:01,014 For the most part, 57 00:03:01,055 --> 00:03:02,765 the Black portraits have been drawn 58 00:03:02,807 --> 00:03:04,517 by white writers, white producers, 59 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:07,729 and white directors for a white audience. 60 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:10,064 Most Black parts were the way white Americans 61 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:12,233 wanted them to be. 62 00:03:12,275 --> 00:03:15,236 He was talking about how it hurt him, 63 00:03:15,278 --> 00:03:16,571 that he would see these-- 64 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:19,532 and he even went after Amos 'n' Andy, 65 00:03:19,574 --> 00:03:21,409 really came down hard on Stepin Fetchit. 66 00:03:21,451 --> 00:03:23,536 The tradition of the lazy, stupid, 67 00:03:23,578 --> 00:03:26,164 crap-shooting, chicken-stealing idiot 68 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:27,916 was popularized by an actor 69 00:03:27,957 --> 00:03:31,753 named Lincoln Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry. 70 00:03:31,794 --> 00:03:33,588 Cat made two million dollars 71 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:35,757 in five years in the middle '30s, 72 00:03:35,798 --> 00:03:38,092 and everyone who ever saw a movie laughed 73 00:03:38,134 --> 00:03:40,595 at Stepin Fetchit. 74 00:03:40,637 --> 00:03:43,223 Come out, come out, wherever you is! 75 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:44,766 This is a lot of fun, isn't it? 76 00:03:44,807 --> 00:03:46,601 To look back at that time, like, 77 00:03:46,643 --> 00:03:48,895 I could appreciate this guy who was like, 78 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:50,438 "Okay, this is about knowledge." 79 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,607 That's something I very much appreciate 80 00:03:52,649 --> 00:03:55,485 and appreciate about him at that time. 81 00:03:55,526 --> 00:03:57,195 Did you know that? Huh? 82 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:59,030 That to me is the touchstone, 83 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:01,032 more than any other thing that he's done, 84 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:02,909 that Black History: Lost, Stolen, or Strayed 85 00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:05,078 is the thing that i refer back to the most. 86 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:08,623 The burning part of "burn, baby, burn," 87 00:04:08,665 --> 00:04:11,417 is right here in this classroom. 88 00:04:11,459 --> 00:04:13,294 Black History: Lost, Stolen, or Strayed 89 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:16,965 was yet another Emmy-winning project for Bill Cosby, 90 00:04:17,006 --> 00:04:19,133 but that hard-edged teacher persona didn't last. 91 00:04:19,175 --> 00:04:20,969 Friend Mortimer. 92 00:04:21,010 --> 00:04:22,971 Bill Cosby spent the better part 93 00:04:23,012 --> 00:04:25,807 of the next decade perfecting his specific version 94 00:04:25,848 --> 00:04:27,225 of a TV teacher, 95 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:28,893 a moral authority, 96 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:30,645 and this is the key part, 97 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:33,898 being someone that everybody could trust. 98 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:36,818 soft dramatic music 99 00:04:36,859 --> 00:04:40,238 100 00:04:43,533 --> 00:04:45,660 It's The New Bill Cosby Show. 101 00:04:48,037 --> 00:04:49,998 But that wasn't all Bill Cosby did in the '70s. 102 00:04:50,039 --> 00:04:53,876 He also tried every other job in showbiz. 103 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:55,461 Bill Cosby. 104 00:04:55,503 --> 00:04:57,922 You married? No. 105 00:04:57,964 --> 00:05:00,800 Between 1969 and 1976, 106 00:05:00,842 --> 00:05:03,511 Bill Cosby had three different TV series, 107 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:05,638 none of which lasted, 108 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,391 but three series for a Black man in the '70s? 109 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,310 That's a lot. That ain't normal. 110 00:05:10,351 --> 00:05:12,562 Frank, will you come on! 111 00:05:12,603 --> 00:05:13,855 He also spent the decade 112 00:05:13,896 --> 00:05:15,064 trying to become a movie star, 113 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:17,608 doing nearly a film a year. 114 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:19,736 There's an I Spy rip-off, 115 00:05:19,777 --> 00:05:21,321 a dark comedy where he's 116 00:05:21,362 --> 00:05:23,698 an abusive asshole. 117 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:25,450 Stop calling me Jugs. 118 00:05:25,491 --> 00:05:26,826 Bill Cosby is the Devil. 119 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:28,036 Want a light? 120 00:05:28,077 --> 00:05:29,620 He even plays the Devil. 121 00:05:29,662 --> 00:05:32,790 And eternal damnation is yours! 122 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:33,791 Yep. 123 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:35,460 soft Western music 124 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:37,378 Look, now he's a cowboy. 125 00:05:37,420 --> 00:05:38,838 You know how much money 126 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,882 that horse will bring us just for studdin'? 127 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:41,966 What's studdin'? 128 00:05:48,556 --> 00:05:52,060 Of course. I got drug by the horse. 129 00:05:52,101 --> 00:05:54,145 When the horse got tired, they tied me to a truck. 130 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:00,443 Uh... 131 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:02,070 not really. 132 00:06:02,111 --> 00:06:04,197 All right! 133 00:06:04,238 --> 00:06:06,032 The films that worked best, though, 134 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:07,367 are a trio of movies 135 00:06:07,408 --> 00:06:09,118 with actor/director Sidney Poitier-- 136 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,703 a highbrow response 137 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:13,039 to the low budget Blaxploitation craze. 138 00:06:13,081 --> 00:06:15,333 The two of them paired off. 139 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:18,086 I mean, it's a great combination. 140 00:06:18,127 --> 00:06:21,714 Sidney, straight, like, corny guy 141 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:24,467 opposite Bill is just classic. 142 00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:26,219 Same old same as old head? 143 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:28,346 While these films are definitely cult classics 144 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:31,182 with Black folks, they weren't big hits. 145 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:33,351 The amount of gatekeeping that went on 146 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:35,603 was epic for Bill Cosby. 147 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:38,940 You had to pass through a million gatekeepers, 148 00:06:38,981 --> 00:06:41,359 and they all had to think that you were not a threat 149 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,069 to the white power establishment, 150 00:06:43,111 --> 00:06:45,196 that it would not reflect badly on them, 151 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:47,448 in fact, that it would reflect well on them. 152 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:51,536 It was fucking impossible to get shit. 153 00:06:51,577 --> 00:06:55,123 It just--the racism was so fucking crazy. 154 00:06:55,164 --> 00:06:56,582 It was just literally like, 155 00:06:56,624 --> 00:06:58,960 "- You can't have this shit! Get away!" 156 00:06:59,001 --> 00:07:00,670 But Cosby found a way... 157 00:07:00,711 --> 00:07:04,132 Zoop-a-doop-a-doop, boy, zoop-a-doop-a-doop. 158 00:07:04,173 --> 00:07:07,301 Mistook me for some ugly dude with a beard and a mustache. 159 00:07:07,343 --> 00:07:08,678 I can understand how they-- 160 00:07:08,719 --> 00:07:10,054 Shut up! 161 00:07:10,096 --> 00:07:13,808 Now I forgot my line.- 162 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:15,143 But the weird thing about showbiz 163 00:07:15,184 --> 00:07:17,019 is that you can't control it. 164 00:07:17,061 --> 00:07:20,231 You can't force something to be successful. 165 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:22,942 So just think how different Bill Cosby's life and career 166 00:07:22,984 --> 00:07:26,195 would've been if any of those had been a hit. 167 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:27,989 ethereal music 168 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:31,534 Like, what if that Devil film had been a blockbuster? 169 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:34,245 Then Bill Cosby is forever typecast as the Devil. 170 00:07:34,287 --> 00:07:37,331 Forever! 171 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:40,168 Does that dude end up as America's dad 172 00:07:40,209 --> 00:07:43,129 with all the power and trust that comes with it? 173 00:07:43,171 --> 00:07:44,672 I don't think so. 174 00:07:47,341 --> 00:07:49,844 Hi!  How ya doin'? 175 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:50,928 But that's not what happened. 176 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:52,305 Glad to see you! Ooh! 177 00:07:52,346 --> 00:07:54,015 At the same time Bill Cosby 178 00:07:54,056 --> 00:07:56,100 is on prime time TV and movies, 179 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:57,894 he's also moonlighting on kids' shows. 180 00:07:57,935 --> 00:07:59,645 Hey, you guys! 181 00:07:59,687 --> 00:08:02,273 We're gonna turn it on 182 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:04,567 In the 1970s, you see him really leaning 183 00:08:04,609 --> 00:08:08,029 into becoming an authoritative educational figure. 184 00:08:08,070 --> 00:08:09,447 And so the relationship with PBS 185 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:10,907 becomes incredibly important 186 00:08:10,948 --> 00:08:12,450 because he talking directly to kids. 187 00:08:13,951 --> 00:08:16,245 Hello, there, this is, uh, 188 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:18,164 Honest John speaking to you. 189 00:08:18,206 --> 00:08:20,833 Yes, sir, we have all kinds of used cars for sale. 190 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:23,002 He thought that the world would be better 191 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:24,754 if young people, and particularly young Black 192 00:08:24,795 --> 00:08:26,339 and brown people, were educated. 193 00:08:26,380 --> 00:08:27,632 Okay. 194 00:08:27,673 --> 00:08:30,009 Now, as fast as you can, along with me, 195 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:33,179 you say Picture Pages, Picture Pages, Picture Pages. 196 00:08:33,221 --> 00:08:35,223 No, that's not fast enough. Now, come on. 197 00:08:35,264 --> 00:08:37,099 Picture Pages, Picture Pages, Picture Pages, Picture Pages. 198 00:08:37,141 --> 00:08:38,643 Faster! 199 00:08:38,684 --> 00:08:39,852 Okay. 200 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:41,812 This is why we loved him. 201 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:43,731 Picture Pages, Picture Pages 202 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:45,525 Time to get your Picture Pages 203 00:08:45,566 --> 00:08:47,026 Time to get your crayons 204 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:48,194 And your pencils 205 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:49,487 This was the joint! 206 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:50,738 Picture Pages, Picture Pages 207 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:52,740 Open up your Picture Pages 208 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:56,327 Time to watch Bill Cosby do a Picture Page with you! 209 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:58,371 That's, like, childhood right there. 210 00:08:58,412 --> 00:09:01,415 Like, Bill Cosby was our teacher, 211 00:09:01,457 --> 00:09:03,751 and he was funny, and he was silly. 212 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:05,294 And for many of us, 213 00:09:05,336 --> 00:09:08,172 he was the first Black educator we had access to. 214 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:10,675 There you are, and here I am, Professor Cosby, 215 00:09:10,716 --> 00:09:14,011 the world's greatest living authority on rhymes. 216 00:09:14,053 --> 00:09:17,473 90% of the nation's teaching force is white. 217 00:09:17,515 --> 00:09:19,767 70% of the urban teaching force is still white. 218 00:09:19,809 --> 00:09:21,519 And back then, it was even bigger. 219 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:24,647 So, for many of us, Bill Cosby on   Picture Pages 220 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:26,190 was the first Black teacher we saw. 221 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:29,277 So you're seven years old? Yes. 222 00:09:29,318 --> 00:09:30,653 Are you married? No. 223 00:09:30,695 --> 00:09:32,280 Oh. 224 00:09:32,321 --> 00:09:33,864 And he let us know that something else was possible. 225 00:09:33,906 --> 00:09:35,783 I mean, it was pretty important stuff. 226 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:37,743 There's nobody in here. 227 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:39,078 It's funny, not a lot of people 228 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,122 remember Picture Pages. 229 00:09:41,163 --> 00:09:43,666 I remember Picture Pages. 230 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:46,168 It was a segment of the TV show Captain Kangaroo. 231 00:09:46,210 --> 00:09:47,545 I'd be watching Captain Kangaroo 232 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:49,088 on my grandmother's floor, 233 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:51,215 and suddenly Picture Pages came on. 234 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:53,884 And, whoop, I was like, "Oh!" 235 00:09:53,926 --> 00:09:56,637 Listen very carefully to every word I'm saying. 236 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,390 He wasn't just talking to children in general. 237 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:01,309 He's talking to me. 238 00:10:01,350 --> 00:10:03,436 He wants me to learn. 239 00:10:03,477 --> 00:10:06,647 He wants me to be smart. He cares about me. 240 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:09,734 Shorter and longer. 241 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:13,112 My friend, smiling pretty. 242 00:10:13,154 --> 00:10:16,324 In the moment, it looked like 243 00:10:16,365 --> 00:10:20,828 a maturing Black celebrity 244 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:22,747 and sort of social icon 245 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:24,957 was just shaping his footprint. 246 00:10:24,999 --> 00:10:27,126 You know, part of becoming a celebrity is every celebrity 247 00:10:27,168 --> 00:10:28,836 has to have their pet cause. 248 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,505 And pretty early on, Bill Cosby had started 249 00:10:31,547 --> 00:10:33,382 to double down on the fact that education 250 00:10:33,424 --> 00:10:35,676 was going to be his. 251 00:10:35,718 --> 00:10:37,345 Hi, this is Bill Cosby. 252 00:10:37,386 --> 00:10:39,347 I'd like for you to pay close attention to this album. 253 00:10:39,388 --> 00:10:41,682 In 1971, he even released 254 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:44,727 a Grammy Award-winning children's album entitled 255 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:49,398 Bill Cosby Talks to Kids About Drugs. 256 00:11:06,415 --> 00:11:07,708 There's a track called 257 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:09,794 "Uppers and Downers and Their Effects," 258 00:11:09,835 --> 00:11:11,045 and it's got groovy music under it. 259 00:11:23,891 --> 00:11:26,060 slow, distorted jazz music 260 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:35,528 And that is way more fucked up 261 00:11:35,569 --> 00:11:37,655 to listen to than the Spanish Fly routine. 262 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,877 But the project from this period 263 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:53,754 he's most remembered for began quietly 264 00:11:53,796 --> 00:11:55,965 and under the radar in 1969. 265 00:11:56,006 --> 00:11:59,468 Hey, hey, hey! It's Fat Albert! 266 00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:08,102 Fat Albert   is like a bag full of Now or Laters. 267 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:11,188 A bag full of your favorite now or Laters, 268 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:13,232 'cause it was just like a joy headache. 269 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:16,277 Especially for a young Black kid, 270 00:12:16,318 --> 00:12:18,112 it was like a joy headache, it was like-- 271 00:12:18,154 --> 00:12:21,449 They're in the junkyard, they're playing music. 272 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:24,118 Playin' hooky 273 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,786 Fat Albert. 274 00:12:25,828 --> 00:12:27,538 It was wonderful. 275 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:30,082 Hey, Fat Albert! Hit me a fly! 276 00:12:30,124 --> 00:12:33,794 Every kid that I knew, you know, Saturday morning, 277 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:35,713 you're up, you're watching Fat Albert. 278 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:39,759 They would have an adventure, and they would learn a lesson. 279 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,302 It was always joyful. 280 00:12:42,678 --> 00:12:44,805 Fat Albert is this kid 281 00:12:44,847 --> 00:12:47,141 based on, you know, one of his friends 282 00:12:47,183 --> 00:12:49,977 who he grew up with in North Philly 283 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:52,313 while he was living in the Richard Allen Homes. 284 00:12:52,354 --> 00:12:54,523 This is a funny take on what it's like 285 00:12:54,565 --> 00:12:57,151 to grow up as a Black kid in Philadelphia. 286 00:12:57,193 --> 00:12:59,570 Fat Albert   was this, you know, a neighborhood gang 287 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:03,157 of Black kids hanging out, doing what the kids today 288 00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:05,242 might say regular degular stuff. 289 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:08,412 Rudy, you're like Thanksgiving Day at school. 290 00:13:08,454 --> 00:13:10,456 Thanksgiving Day? 291 00:13:10,498 --> 00:13:12,583 What's school on Saturday? 292 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:14,251 No class. 293 00:13:14,293 --> 00:13:16,170 Dude, I'm a teacher. 294 00:13:16,212 --> 00:13:18,589 I do that with my students all the time. 295 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,094 Like Doug E. Doug, I also remember this show 296 00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:25,805 to be a joy headache, 297 00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:28,849 filled with songs, laughs, fun lessons. 298 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,518 Play it straight, gang. 299 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,770 That way, you'll get where you want to go, 300 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:35,105 not where you don't, right? 301 00:13:35,147 --> 00:13:36,524 Right. 302 00:13:36,565 --> 00:13:39,026 We didn't have any Black animated cartoons 303 00:13:39,068 --> 00:13:40,945 unless they were buffooning and cooning us. 304 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:42,780 The only Black character we had was the Peanuts-- 305 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:44,448 we had Franklin. 306 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:45,825 He was just a chocolate version of Charlie Brown. 307 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:49,161 So, when you get Fat Albert, 308 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:52,039 now you got a whole crew of Black folk 309 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:55,876 and not white characters that were colored darker. 310 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:58,087 He's the funniest dude in the whole school. 311 00:13:58,128 --> 00:13:59,922 These were actual Black people! 312 00:13:59,964 --> 00:14:02,550 Mushmouth--there is no white person named Mushmouth! 313 00:14:02,591 --> 00:14:04,218 Yeah-be, hey-be, Ruby. 314 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:07,555 The funniest ball-be player in-be the worbled. 315 00:14:07,596 --> 00:14:10,182 Like, these were hood cats on TV. 316 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:11,934 Bill Cosby gave us new characters, 317 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:13,394 new ideas, new identities. 318 00:14:13,435 --> 00:14:16,730 He wrote Black people into the cartoons. 319 00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:20,401 That's what   Fat Albert did, and you learned something. 320 00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:23,153 This is also where Bill Cosby really began 321 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:25,990 to perfect his "voice of moral authority" thing 322 00:14:26,031 --> 00:14:28,576 that we all came to know and trust. 323 00:14:28,617 --> 00:14:31,829 Take lying. Now, you start broadcasting lies... 324 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:35,374 Broadcasting lies! 325 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,502 And pretty soon nobody believes anything you say. 326 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:39,920 That just had a strong effect-- 327 00:14:39,962 --> 00:14:43,007 you know, this guy with this Afro who, you know, 328 00:14:43,048 --> 00:14:46,093 looked and sounded very familiar to me 329 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,262 teaching this lesson in this case about, you know, 330 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:52,433 why it's not a good idea to tell a lie. 331 00:14:52,474 --> 00:14:55,394 Of course, you know, what he was doing 332 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:59,940 off-screen versus what he's saying, 333 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:03,277 you know, on-screen, are two different things. 334 00:15:04,653 --> 00:15:07,114 Hello, and the topic is creativity... 335 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:08,866 Bill Cosby, you know, had 336 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:12,244 the very self-possessed, 337 00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:14,622 dignified demeanor 338 00:15:14,663 --> 00:15:16,749 of a person who, to me, 339 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:21,003 appeared to be operating in the world on his own terms. 340 00:15:21,045 --> 00:15:23,255 And I remember being impressed by that. 341 00:15:23,297 --> 00:15:25,591 How many of you have seen   Fat Albert? 342 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:29,803 It is a phenomena because... 343 00:15:29,845 --> 00:15:33,807 it's a show that preaches 344 00:15:33,849 --> 00:15:36,936 and hopefully teaches. 345 00:15:36,977 --> 00:15:39,104 That's why it is a phenomenon. 346 00:15:39,146 --> 00:15:41,065 Your name? It's Brad Heberly. 347 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:42,733 And you watch   Fat Albert. 348 00:15:42,775 --> 00:15:44,151 Why? 349 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:47,071 I guess I just-- I like it, it's funny. 350 00:15:47,112 --> 00:15:48,822 It's a good comedy for-- 351 00:15:48,864 --> 00:15:52,785 But it also is a little more... 352 00:15:52,826 --> 00:15:55,621 not grown-up, but a little more mature. 353 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:57,581 Yeah, one thing kids love 354 00:15:57,623 --> 00:16:00,459 is cartoons that are mature. 355 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:03,587 You know, half of the fun of life is anticipating. 356 00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:05,965 Without Fat Albert, kids like me don't grow up 357 00:16:06,006 --> 00:16:08,425 loving and trusting Bill Cosby. 358 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:11,679 We don't turn into teens who love and trust Bill Cosby 359 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,015 and then adults who love and trust Bill Cosby. 360 00:16:15,057 --> 00:16:16,433 I just have to imagine 361 00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:18,185 that without all that wellspring 362 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:19,853 of good feeling for him, 363 00:16:19,895 --> 00:16:22,189 it would've changed how so many of us reacted 364 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:25,234 when we found out what we found out... 365 00:16:25,275 --> 00:16:27,319 because during the same time, 366 00:16:27,361 --> 00:16:30,114 when Bill Cosby was doing everything he could to get 367 00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:32,533 to the next level of his career, 368 00:16:32,574 --> 00:16:34,159 there are women who have claimed 369 00:16:34,201 --> 00:16:37,121 that he sexually assaulted or raped them. 370 00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:38,956 And these allegations seemed to pop up 371 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,041 everywhere he was during this time, 372 00:16:41,083 --> 00:16:43,335 from the set of Uptown Saturday Night, 373 00:16:43,377 --> 00:16:45,629 even from the set of Picture Pages, 374 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:47,798 at the Playboy Mansion, 375 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,384 and while he's on the road doing comedy in Nevada. 376 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:52,052 apprehensive music 377 00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:56,849 The Hilton hotel was where Bill Cosby was the headliner. 378 00:16:56,890 --> 00:17:00,602 And so, one day, I was looking at the gift shop jewelry 379 00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:02,771 with my sister next to me. 380 00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:04,815 I think I was about 18 1/2, 381 00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:07,526 and somebody came up to me and put their arm 382 00:17:07,568 --> 00:17:11,613 around my neck and said, "Will you marry me?" 383 00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:14,283 And I turned around to see who that was, 384 00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:16,618 and there was Bill Cosby. 385 00:17:16,660 --> 00:17:19,163 And he invited all of us to his show, 386 00:17:19,204 --> 00:17:20,956 and then after the show, 387 00:17:20,998 --> 00:17:25,961 somebody came right over to me and escorted me-- 388 00:17:26,003 --> 00:17:29,965 I guess it was called, like, a green room. 389 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:34,386 And then everybody was gone, but it was only me. 390 00:17:34,428 --> 00:17:38,390 And he had two white pills in his hand, and he said-- 391 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:40,642 and a glass of water, and he said, "Take these." 392 00:17:42,644 --> 00:17:45,189 And I didn't know what to do. 393 00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:47,900 Uh, I took the pills. 394 00:17:47,941 --> 00:17:52,446 395 00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:57,743 Not in a million years, especially given his persona, 396 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:01,705 would anyone have thought that Bill Cosby... 397 00:18:03,415 --> 00:18:06,460 ...would physically attack and/or rape women 398 00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:09,421 because you wanted to hang out with him, 399 00:18:09,463 --> 00:18:12,424 you wanted to... 400 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,218 sort of bask in the glow 401 00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:18,013 of his relatable, charismatic persona. 402 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:20,933 But the general public 403 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:22,726 didn't know any of that. 404 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,269 We were just falling more and more in love 405 00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:25,813 with him as an educator. 406 00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:29,149 You are funny, Bill Cosby. 407 00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,401 And he worked hard to make sure we did. 408 00:18:31,443 --> 00:18:36,323 409 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:40,244 inquisitive music 410 00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:41,578 Bill Cosby's a fascinating guy, 411 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:43,747 because for all of his talk 412 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,291 about educational achievement, 413 00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:49,419 his educational journey's real sketchy, right? 414 00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:51,338 Bill Cosby attended one of the top high schools in the city, 415 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,340 but he didn't graduate from there. 416 00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:54,758 He goes to Germantown High School, 417 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,343 but he drops out. 418 00:18:56,385 --> 00:18:59,221 He goes to the Navy, and then he gets his GED. 419 00:18:59,263 --> 00:19:00,848 He then goes to Temple University, 420 00:19:00,889 --> 00:19:02,516 and he's an athlete there 421 00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:04,643 and doesn't quite finish then either. 422 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:05,894 They eventually give him a degree 423 00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:07,646 based on his life achievement, 424 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:09,231 which to a lot of people 425 00:19:09,273 --> 00:19:10,774 is just a secret-agent talk for, like, 426 00:19:10,816 --> 00:19:12,359 "You gave us a lot of money." 427 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,945 Then later on, he does go on 428 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:16,488 to get a master's degree in education 429 00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:18,574 from the University of Massachusetts, 430 00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:21,118 and he gets his doctorate in education from there, 431 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,079 although there is considerable question among some-- 432 00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:26,790 among some--about whether 433 00:19:26,832 --> 00:19:29,960 he actually wrote the dissertation or not. 434 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:31,837 I'm willing to say that he did, 435 00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,673 but the dissertation itself is about Fat Albert. 436 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:37,509 437 00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:41,513 He's in a doctorate program while he's doing, you know, 438 00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:43,390 all his entertainment. 439 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,142 And so there were always questions 440 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,019 as to whether or not this was honorary, 441 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:48,478 whether he did the work, 442 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,063 whether somebody else did it for him. 443 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:54,401 There's a way that he would have you think 444 00:19:54,443 --> 00:19:57,196 that he is a kind of champion of educational success, 445 00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:58,989 when, in fact, he's had as rough and rugged 446 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:00,866 a pathway educationally, 447 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,577 as many of the people he criticizes. 448 00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:06,079 This is when you start to see Bill Cosby 449 00:20:06,121 --> 00:20:09,416 turn into Dr. Bill Cosby, 450 00:20:09,458 --> 00:20:11,043 which in the comedy community, 451 00:20:11,084 --> 00:20:14,588 people thought was pretentious as hell. 452 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:19,051 The Ed.D. is the lowest doctorate that you can get. 453 00:20:19,092 --> 00:20:21,428 So a lot of people with Ed.D. 454 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,096 will be mad at me for saying that, 455 00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,891 but, you know, you know what it is. 456 00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:29,603 But for a PhD, like, it's like-- 457 00:20:29,645 --> 00:20:32,439 it's like, you know, 458 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,108 playing in the G League and playing in the NBA. 459 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,653 It's like, "Dude, you G League. 460 00:20:37,694 --> 00:20:39,321 You know, you a basketball player, 461 00:20:39,363 --> 00:20:40,614 but you G League." 462 00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:42,783 But, I mean, you know, 463 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:45,494 he was certainly selling himself 464 00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:48,455 as Dr. Cosby. 465 00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:51,458 Two out of two doctors recommend Coca-Cola. 466 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,961 A big, bold taste to really refresh you. 467 00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:57,130 Two out of two doctors agree-- no prescription necessary. 468 00:20:57,172 --> 00:20:59,049 You know, I was a great basketball player 469 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,717 when I was in college. 470 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,595 One out of two doctors agree. 471 00:21:03,637 --> 00:21:08,058 When I met him, he had not yet done The Cosby Show. 472 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,977 So he was in the   Fat Albert   years, 473 00:21:10,018 --> 00:21:14,564 and he was getting his PhD in education at UMass. 474 00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:16,650 I studied in the music department 475 00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:18,110 at the University of Massachusetts 476 00:21:18,151 --> 00:21:21,655 from 1974 to 1978. 477 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:25,993 There was a conference held on campus for educators, 478 00:21:26,034 --> 00:21:30,122 and he was one of the featured speakers at the conference. 479 00:21:30,163 --> 00:21:33,667 And I asked, "Why are they bringing a stand-up comedian 480 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,670 and a TV star here to speak to educators?" 481 00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:38,338 And someone said, 482 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:41,508 "Well, he's getting his PhD here in education." 483 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:44,845 So I was there the night he spoke at the conference. 484 00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:49,182 I have to say that he was very serious about education 485 00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:52,686 in a way that was impassioned and that I admired. 486 00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:54,521 And the next day, 487 00:21:54,563 --> 00:21:56,398 I was walking through the campus center, 488 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,235 and there was a commotion 489 00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:02,904 in a small crowd to my right as I walked by, 490 00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:05,073 and I realized he was surrounded by people 491 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:06,867 who were seeking autographs. 492 00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:08,785 So I thought, "I'm gonna go over, and I'm gonna tell him 493 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:10,620 how much I appreciated his remarks," 494 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:13,123 because I was studying education myself. 495 00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:16,168 I stuck out my hand to shake his hand, 496 00:22:16,209 --> 00:22:18,337 'cause my father taught me to do that. 497 00:22:18,378 --> 00:22:21,715 And he took my hand, and he wouldn't let it go. 498 00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:24,718 He made a comedy routine about it, 499 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,888 and I was blushing furiously 500 00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:29,639 because I didn't know what to do, 501 00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:31,391 that this man would not let my hand go. 502 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:35,562 He wanted to know if I was available that evening 503 00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:38,148 to go to a banquet where he would be speaking 504 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,193 with the Reverend Jesse Jackson, 505 00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:44,363 I didn't have any sense that it was a date. 506 00:22:44,404 --> 00:22:47,574 I really didn't know what was going on. 507 00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:50,202 And then he said, "So you're a teacher?" 508 00:22:50,243 --> 00:22:53,413 And I said, "Yes, but not exactly." 509 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:55,123 And he said, "What do you mean not exactly?" 510 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:57,042 And I said, "I'm really a singer." 511 00:22:57,084 --> 00:22:58,877 And he said, "Oh, are you any good?" 512 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:02,297 And I said, "I think so, but I'm not exactly sure 513 00:23:02,339 --> 00:23:04,216 in this moment what to do about it." 514 00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:07,260 And he said, "Well, I know what to do about it." 515 00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:11,973 "I can introduce you to the right people. 516 00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:14,518 I know exactly what to do." 517 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,605 And, frankly, that solved a dilemma for me. 518 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:20,607 And, again, I never felt like-- 519 00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:23,610 because of his reputation as a family man, 520 00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:27,364 a father, married for so long, 521 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,408 it just never occurred to me 522 00:23:29,449 --> 00:23:32,953 that there might be some ulterior motive there. 523 00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:35,747 Two weeks later I was invited to a "dinner party" 524 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,749 at his home in Shelburne Falls, 525 00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,084 and I just expected 526 00:23:39,126 --> 00:23:40,794 that I might meet part of his family 527 00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:43,630 or I might meet other people he wanted to introduce me to, 528 00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:46,299 but we were the only people in the house. 529 00:23:46,341 --> 00:23:49,136 My antenna went up a little bit about, 530 00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:50,929 "This is not what I expected, 531 00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:53,765 I don't know how I feel about this." 532 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:55,976 But I wanted to be grown-up. 533 00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:01,231 He said he was going into the other room to mix me a drink. 534 00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:03,233 No question about what I might like to drink, 535 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,485 nothing like that, just in the other room. 536 00:24:05,527 --> 00:24:08,071 He came back with something that looked like water 537 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,199 but was a lot stronger than water. 538 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,619 It was his favorite-- he said his favorite beverage, 539 00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:18,290 but I have since learned, he really didn't drink. 540 00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:21,626 And he said, "We're gonna do an improvisational exercise." 541 00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:24,588 And I had never really had any training as an actress, 542 00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:26,506 so I didn't know what he was talking about. 543 00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:31,094 So he set up a whole scenario that he wanted me to pretend 544 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,972 that I was a queen, 545 00:24:34,014 --> 00:24:36,475 but that--and this is gonna sound very strange, 546 00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,186 it sounded very strange to me-- 547 00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:42,189 but that I had oatmeal all over my face, 548 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:44,149 I needed to leave the room, 549 00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,860 think about my face as having oatmeal all over it, 550 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:51,490 and then return as regally as I possibly could with the-- 551 00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:54,034 knowing the oatmeal was there. 552 00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:55,702 But he said, "But take a couple of sips 553 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:59,956 of your drink first because you need to relax. 554 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:02,792 This won't work if you're not relaxed." 555 00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:03,919 So I did. 556 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,670 So I came back in the room, 557 00:25:05,712 --> 00:25:08,840 and I did that, and he said, "You're not relaxed enough. 558 00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:11,468 Take another couple of sips of your drink." 559 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,011 So I did. 560 00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:16,389 And I think the fourth time we did the exercise, 561 00:25:16,431 --> 00:25:19,184 I noticed that my balance was off, 562 00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:21,811 and I remember thinking, "That's weird. 563 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:25,565 I haven't even had a half of a drink yet." 564 00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:26,900 And then the next thing I knew, 565 00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:28,818 I was waking up at two in the morning, 566 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,737 and Mr. Cosby was standing over me. 567 00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:33,657 I was in a bed naked under the covers. 568 00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:35,492 He was standing over me in his bathrobe 569 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,369 with a toothbrush, waking me up, 570 00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:39,329 telling me that I needed to go. 571 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,588 I was very confused, Kamau. 572 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:51,883 I was also sicker than I had ever felt in my life, 573 00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:54,219 sick to my stomach. 574 00:25:54,261 --> 00:25:57,931 And I said to him, "What happened?" 575 00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,475 And he said, "Oh, you threw up 576 00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:02,561 and passed out in my powder room." 577 00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:06,523 I had no recollection of that, 578 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,692 and I said, "Where's my dress?" 579 00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,861 And he said, "Oh, I had to wash it. 580 00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:13,280 It's over there." 581 00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:17,409 And I believed him because I still believed 582 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,077 in his reputation 583 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,539 and therefore believed that I had just humiliated myself 584 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,958 utterly in front of this famous man 585 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,585 who had offered to help me. 586 00:26:26,626 --> 00:26:29,170 I made it all about my responsibility 587 00:26:29,212 --> 00:26:31,423 and my embarrassment and my shame. 588 00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,800 It never occurred to me that he'd sexually assaulted me. 589 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,304 All I thought of was, "I just humiliated myself." 590 00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:44,227 Mr. Cosby called me after a long absence from my life-- 591 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,479 I really thought he'd disappeared for good-- 592 00:26:46,521 --> 00:26:49,608 and surprised me, called me, "How are you doing? 593 00:26:49,649 --> 00:26:51,943 I'm gonna be in Atlantic City to do a show. 594 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,446 I'm gonna be on The Dinah Shore Show, 595 00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:56,656 and I'd like you to come 'cause there's some people 596 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,116 that I'd like to introduce you to." 597 00:26:58,158 --> 00:26:59,200 And I said, "Okay." 598 00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:00,619 You know, I wanted to spend time 599 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:01,953 with this man that kept promising 600 00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:03,747 I was either gonna get a role in a film 601 00:27:03,788 --> 00:27:06,249 or I was gonna be helped in a singing career or something, 602 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,960 so I know what my part was. 603 00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:12,047 My part was, I wanted what he was offering. 604 00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:14,758 I didn't want everything that he was doing, 605 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,926 but I wanted what he was offering. 606 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:18,970 We went to   The Dinah Shore Show, 607 00:27:19,012 --> 00:27:20,680 which was very exciting 608 00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:23,892 because she was one of those women pioneers in TV, 609 00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:25,727 I mean, so it was a real honor to meet her. 610 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:29,314 And then the next morning I woke up, 611 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:33,151 and my hair was a mess, my makeup was a mess. 612 00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,111 I was naked. 613 00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:39,616 I was sick like I was that time at his house. 614 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,826 And, honestly, that 615 00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,537 and the fact that I couldn't remember what had happened 616 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,873 were enough for me to connect the dots 617 00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:48,541 between those two events. 618 00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:52,712 And I was angry because I felt like I'd been penetrated 619 00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:56,049 while I was unconscious. 620 00:27:56,091 --> 00:28:00,011 Had no recollection of it, but that's how it felt to me. 621 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,390 And I got dressed, and I stalked out 622 00:28:03,431 --> 00:28:05,558 to the living room and confronted him 623 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,729 and asked him why he had done what he'd done. 624 00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:13,316 And he told me I was being ungrateful 625 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:15,318 and that I needed to leave. 626 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,531 And he also told me Camille was arriving in town. 627 00:28:19,572 --> 00:28:21,366 "- You're ungrateful. You need to leave. 628 00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,910 Camille is arriving." 629 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:28,873 So I left, and I never heard from him again, ever. 630 00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:32,460 I do not believe that he ever wanted or intended to help me. 631 00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:35,755 I felt stupid. I felt naive. 632 00:28:35,797 --> 00:28:39,300 I felt ashamed. I felt angry. 633 00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:42,637 I had a lot of conflicting feelings about it. 634 00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:44,264 And since I thought I was the only one, 635 00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:47,600 since I felt exceedingly stupid for letting it happen, 636 00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:49,269 and since I was ashamed 637 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:53,606 and took more responsibility for it than I should have, 638 00:28:53,648 --> 00:28:55,525 why would-- why would you talk about it? 639 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,026 Why-- 640 00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,696 And also, with his reputation the way it was 641 00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:03,783 and believing that no one would believe me if I did, 642 00:29:03,825 --> 00:29:06,453 why would I talk about it? 643 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:12,917 So what happens in sexual assault? 644 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:17,630 The first thing that happens is a sense of confusion 645 00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:22,051 because somebody has betrayed... 646 00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:25,972 a belief... 647 00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,766 that they had about the person. 648 00:29:27,807 --> 00:29:30,518 So, if I believed that this person was a kind, 649 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,271 upstanding man who was gonna help me, 650 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,732 then how do I... 651 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,443 begin to accept the fact 652 00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,612 that he could do something so horrible to me? 653 00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:44,908 What does that say about him? What does that say about me? 654 00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:48,912 What does it say about my ability to judge people? 655 00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:53,458 And what does it say about what value I hold? 656 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:57,253 This is also the purpose of drugging a victim-- 657 00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:59,672 so that they gaslight themselves. 658 00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:02,425 They don't know that this was premeditated, 659 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:03,927 that there was grooming involved 660 00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:07,514 in getting her to whatever room it was, 661 00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:09,474 that all this was orchestrated intentionally 662 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:11,476 for her to not have the ability 663 00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:15,313 to know that her consent was violated. 664 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:18,942 When I began to practice law... 665 00:30:18,983 --> 00:30:22,028 persons who alleged that they were victims 666 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,697 of rape and sexual assault 667 00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:28,660 were viewed with a great deal of suspicion. 668 00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:33,039 In fact, there was even a cautionary instruction 669 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,376 given to juries... 670 00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,211 by judges 671 00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:42,590 about believing the testimony 672 00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:44,676 of rape victims. 673 00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:47,011 We have evolved from there, 674 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:51,015 but we still have a long, long way to go, 675 00:30:51,057 --> 00:30:53,017 and... 676 00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:56,563 rapes by a stranger in a dark alley 677 00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:59,023 are less common 678 00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:02,652 than rapes and sexual assaults 679 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:05,280 by an acquaintance. 680 00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:08,575 A predator is someone who is-- 681 00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:12,203 on the face of it, looks very charming. 682 00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:14,747 It is often someone who understands 683 00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:17,876 that they want to continue harming people 684 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:20,169 but without being caught. 685 00:31:20,211 --> 00:31:22,171 And so, in order to do that, 686 00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:25,258 a predator would have to project an image 687 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,927 of what they want people to believe that they are 688 00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:32,724 so that they continue to do harm behind the scenes. 689 00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:34,642 The whole culture had a blind spot, 690 00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:37,937 and Bill Cosby kind of operated within it, I think. 691 00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:41,649 dramatic music 692 00:31:43,526 --> 00:31:45,987 Up in my room, on my menu, 693 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,114 they want a dollar thirty-five, 694 00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:49,824 one egg, any style. 695 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:53,786 That's got to be a hell of an egg. 696 00:31:53,828 --> 00:31:56,748 It's got to be a hell of a chicken. 697 00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:59,250 And I want to see the rooster, too. 698 00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:02,420 699 00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,798 Bill Cosby spent the '70s onstage a lot, 700 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,301 and one of his main spots was Nevada, 701 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,469 not just Vegas-- 702 00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:11,137 Reno, and Tahoe, 703 00:32:11,179 --> 00:32:13,431 which is kind of weird, honestly. 704 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,143 Cosby's fourth album is recorded in Lake Tahoe. 705 00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:21,814 It seemed like his favorite place to play, 706 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,734 and for those of us who play 707 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,612 Vegas or Reno or Tahoe, 708 00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:29,989 you notice most comedian's specials 709 00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:32,659 are not taped any of those places. 710 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:34,786 They're usually in a city somewhere 711 00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,913 or on a campus somewhere. 712 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,457 So it was really surprising to me 713 00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:42,835 that that was his home-base audience. 714 00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:44,837 And to tell you the truth, to this day, 715 00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:46,631 I don't know what to make of it. 716 00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:49,092 dramatic music 717 00:32:53,012 --> 00:32:56,015 They call it the biggest little city in the world. 718 00:32:56,057 --> 00:32:58,893 All the casinos and entertainment 719 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:00,728 was clustered in, 720 00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:03,940 it seemed like a four- or five-block square area 721 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,025 in the early '80s. 722 00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,944 When I moved to Reno, 723 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:11,155 I was about 22, 724 00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:13,783 and I got a job at Harrah's. 725 00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:17,036 The weird and awkward thing 726 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,122 about applying for cocktail waitressing 727 00:33:19,163 --> 00:33:22,709 is you go to the beverage manager's office. 728 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,712 You take off your jacket, and you stand in front of him, 729 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:28,631 and he looks you up and down, has you turn around 730 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:32,176 to make sure you look right 731 00:33:32,218 --> 00:33:33,845 and sexy, I guess. 732 00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:36,889 And it was gross, now that I think of it. 733 00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:39,517 And he did say to me, "I want you to keep an eye 734 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,185 on those thighs," 735 00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:42,562 looking at my thighs. 736 00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:44,397 And I'm like, "Okay." 737 00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:47,066 And that was the end of it. 738 00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:50,111 Nowadays, he'd be so sued, 739 00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:53,740 but I took it then, as we all did. 740 00:33:53,781 --> 00:33:56,034 Since I worked in one of the showrooms, 741 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,745 I was fortunate enough to meet several people there. 742 00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:00,496 I met Smokey Robinson, 743 00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:04,208 and I met Loretta Lynn and Wayne Newton 744 00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:06,586 and it was all wow to me, 745 00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:09,839 like glitz and glamour kind of thing. 746 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:11,382 When he would come to Harrah's, 747 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,009 I knew of him, of course. 748 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,886 Everybody did. 749 00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:18,306 I believe he had a long friendly relationship 750 00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:20,600 with Mr. Harrah while he was alive. 751 00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:24,437 He was a big, big draw at Harrah's. 752 00:34:24,479 --> 00:34:26,230 So what happened was, 753 00:34:26,272 --> 00:34:28,232 one of the cocktail waitresses 754 00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:31,277 in the showroom said, 755 00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:33,279 "Bill is having a pizza party. 756 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,614 Do you want to come with me?" 757 00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:36,115 And I said, "Sure." 758 00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:38,034 I thought she just wanted 759 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,536 a wingman kind of to go with her. 760 00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,789 Bill Cosby opened the front door 761 00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:46,042 and greeted us. 762 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,461 I don't recall what he said-- 'Hi," you know, whatever. 763 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,797 And he opened the door, 764 00:34:50,838 --> 00:34:52,799 and I realized there was no party. 765 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,801 It was just me and Judy. 766 00:34:54,842 --> 00:34:58,096 My initial thought was, "Well, this is kind of cool. 767 00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,264 This is Bill Cosby. 768 00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:03,851 I'll stay and have a beer and a slice of pizza, 769 00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:06,187 and then I'll, you know, excuse myself." 770 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,439 He asked if we wanted to play backgammon, 771 00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:10,399 and I'm a little competitive, 772 00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:13,069 so I'm like, "Yeah, baby, I'll take you on." 773 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,990 And before we started, he held out his hand, 774 00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:22,120 and I believe he said they were Quaaludes. 775 00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:25,206 I can't recall that for sure. 776 00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:27,750 And he said, "Do you want to take one of these?" 777 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:31,003 And I had tried Quaaludes before, 778 00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,091 and, to me, they just made you a little drunk 779 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,427 without getting drunk and having a hangover. 780 00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:39,846 And I said, "Sure." 781 00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:44,433 And I took one, and he put a second one in my hand, 782 00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,644 and he said, "No, take two. It's okay." 783 00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:48,354 And he... 784 00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,523 And so I thought, 785 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,526 "Okay, this is Bill Cosby. 786 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,153 He must know what he's talking about." 787 00:35:55,194 --> 00:35:57,363 I planned on staying initially, 788 00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:58,865 like, an hour anyway, 789 00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:02,535 so I didn't think it was gonna be as bad as it was, 790 00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,872 and it was almost immediate. 791 00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:11,294 We started playing the game, and everything-- 792 00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:13,421 my head... 793 00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:16,424 everything was getting woozy. 794 00:36:16,465 --> 00:36:20,011 And I was looking down at the backgammon board, 795 00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:22,930 and I said, "This game's not fair anymore." 796 00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:24,473 And he said, "Why not?" 797 00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:27,518 And I go, "'Cause I can no longer see the board." 798 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,189 And I faceplanted straight into the backgammon board. 799 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:34,734 The next thing I remember is him helping me stand up 800 00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:37,486 and walking me up the stairs to a bedroom, 801 00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:39,197 because I couldn't really walk-- 802 00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:40,656 he had to hold me, 803 00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:43,576 and everything was spinning 804 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,412 and swirling and woozy-- 805 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,040 and bringing me to a bedroom. 806 00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:50,917 I don't remember getting undressed. 807 00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:52,710 I don't remember getting into the bedroom. 808 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:54,253 I don't remember any of that. 809 00:36:54,295 --> 00:36:56,255 The next thing I do remember 810 00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:59,091 was the next morning when I woke up. 811 00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:01,719 I, first of all, was like, "Where the hell am I?" 812 00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,598 And then I knew I was naked. 813 00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:09,769 And he was in bed naked next to me. 814 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:13,689 So he rolls over and starts talking to me, 815 00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:18,444 and I apologized to him for passing out, 816 00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,154 because I was embarrassed, 817 00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:21,948 and I said, "I don't know what happened. 818 00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:23,449 I'm so sorry." 819 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:26,244 And I started grabbing my clothes, 820 00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:27,328 and I got dressed. 821 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,413 And I got to the front door, 822 00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:32,208 and I guess he was actually walking me out, 823 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,585 and I remember opening the door 824 00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:36,295 and seeing my car. 825 00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,297 And he stopped the door, 826 00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:40,299 and he looked down at me, and he goes, 827 00:37:40,341 --> 00:37:43,135 "Now, this is between me and you." 828 00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:45,805 And he went like this and put his finger on him, 829 00:37:45,846 --> 00:37:47,306 like, shh, be quiet. 830 00:37:47,348 --> 00:37:48,975 And... 831 00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:52,436 I said, "I wasn't planning on alerting the media." 832 00:37:52,478 --> 00:37:53,771 And I left. 833 00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:56,315 The whole experience was so mortifying, 834 00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,901 not because I thought I was raped, 835 00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:02,655 but because I fucked up, I took the drugs, 836 00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:06,784 I passed out, you know, me, me, me. 837 00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:11,747 I was perpetuating... 838 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:15,209 exactly what victim blaming does all the time, 839 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:17,545 but I was blaming myself. 840 00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:21,507 I was the one perpetuating that myth 841 00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:24,927 that I did something wrong... 842 00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:29,265 and therefore I got fucked... 843 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,642 in more ways than one. 844 00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:35,938 Quaalude is a white pill 845 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,648 a little smaller than a dime. 846 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,526 It was synthesized in India in 1951 847 00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:42,486 and later went on the worldwide market 848 00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:44,572 as a sedative or sleeping pill. 849 00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:48,743 Quaalude was steadily increasing in popularity 850 00:38:48,784 --> 00:38:52,371 from the date of its introduction in 1965, 851 00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:56,042 and it reached peak popularity in the United States in 1972. 852 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,295 Millions and millions of prescriptions 853 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,214 were being written in the United States. 854 00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:03,758 It was actually routine 855 00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:07,178 to combine alcohol and Quaalude. 856 00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:11,223 The effect of combining Quaalude with alcohol, 857 00:39:11,265 --> 00:39:13,934 it would allow you to get more 858 00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,729 out of both of the substances. 859 00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:18,439 I mean, it's possible that-- 860 00:39:18,481 --> 00:39:20,358 and really actually very likely 861 00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:24,695 that Cosby was leveraging Quaalude's 862 00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:29,700 somewhat Rosy, innocuous reputation... 863 00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,911 because he understood that it was the sort of drug 864 00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:33,496 that someone would want to take. 865 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:34,830 I mean, this is kind of, 866 00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:37,458 I think, one of the major misconceptions 867 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,461 about drug-facilitated sexual assault, 868 00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:45,007 is this idea that there's some boundary 869 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,968 between consensual and nonconsensual drug use, 870 00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:49,637 when it's often the case 871 00:39:49,678 --> 00:39:52,139 that people will consensually use a drug 872 00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:54,558 because they're operating on the assumption 873 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,186 that they're not in the presence of a rapist. 874 00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:59,397 Someone can consent to taking a Quaalude 875 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,190 and consent to having a beverage 876 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,234 but not consent to any of the sexual activity 877 00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:05,903 that might happen when they're unconscious, 878 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,614 because what happens during sex 879 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,450 when we involve substances 880 00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,911 is it messes with our ability to consent. 881 00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:17,289 I would place an enormous amount of emphasis 882 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:19,708 on the sexual assault 883 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,129 and very little emphasis 884 00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:25,965 on the drug use that may accompany it, 885 00:40:26,006 --> 00:40:29,468 which I think is largely inconsequential. 886 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:31,095 You know, when you go through these medical reports 887 00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:34,140 and you look at the result 888 00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:36,684 of urine analysis in self-reported 889 00:40:36,725 --> 00:40:38,811 drug-facilitated sexual assaults, 890 00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:42,106 what you find is that it's often alcohol 891 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,316 that is responsible. 892 00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:46,986 And does that mean that there are no date-rape drugs? 893 00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:48,487 No, it doesn't mean that at all. 894 00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:50,448 It means that alcohol is a date-rape drug, 895 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,492 and every time we place our emphasis 896 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:57,163 on some surreptitiously administered powder 897 00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:59,165 that you have to guard your drink against, 898 00:40:59,206 --> 00:41:01,459 we're forgetting the fact that it's the drink itself 899 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,170 that is most likely what is going to be used. 900 00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,797 So I think the idea of what is a date-rape drug 901 00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:10,301 is almost like asking, "What is a murder knife?" 902 00:41:10,342 --> 00:41:13,512 It's any knife used by a murderer. 903 00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:14,638 This is Bill Cosby. 904 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,015 Now that everybody has told you 905 00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,683 about the dangers of doing drugs, 906 00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:19,977 I'd like to tell you about some of the benefits. 907 00:41:20,019 --> 00:41:21,854 Just imagine yourself unconscious 908 00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,106 making a visit to a hospital emergency room, 909 00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:26,192 weeks in rehabilitation centers, 910 00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,860 nights in overcrowded prisons, 911 00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,362 spending more money than you can afford, 912 00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:32,448 ruining your health, hurting your parents, 913 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,699 losing your loved ones, 914 00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,160 and, most of all, destroying yourself. 915 00:41:36,202 --> 00:41:38,913 Remember what I say about doing drugs-- 916 00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:42,041 I think you can say no. 917 00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:45,085 Oh, the hypocrisy. 918 00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:47,087 "Imagine you're unconscious" 919 00:41:47,129 --> 00:41:49,173 was the first thing that hit me. 920 00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:50,841 He should have continued, 921 00:41:50,883 --> 00:41:53,886 "Because that's when I do my best work." 922 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:58,557 You don't often learn that your heroes 923 00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,561 are really the worst sorts of villain. 924 00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:08,400 Like, that's not something that's a normal experience. 925 00:42:08,442 --> 00:42:11,570 Or that this person who you think of as a hero 926 00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:15,658 has fooled the entire country 927 00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:18,744 about what their character really is. 928 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:21,747 soft music 929 00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:25,167 930 00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:29,338 It was so different. 931 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,091 I moved there in 1973. 932 00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:33,926 It was the cowboy town. 933 00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:36,554 There were maybe 60,000 or 70,000 residents 934 00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:38,222 that lived there. 935 00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:41,058 You'd see stars all over the place. 936 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,727 See gangsters at Las Vegas Country Club, 937 00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:46,480 and one of the gals I played tennis with, 938 00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:49,775 her brother-in-law was Tony "The Ant" Spilotro, 939 00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:52,027 who ended up dead in a cornfield. 940 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,450 That's correct. 941 00:42:58,492 --> 00:42:59,535 They're there for a couple of weeks at a time. 942 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:00,953 They're performers, 943 00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:02,580 and they still want to pursue their off day 944 00:43:02,621 --> 00:43:04,206 and have some fun. 945 00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,917 And so it was not uncommon to see people there. 946 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,212 947 00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:13,132 In 1981, I lived in Las Vegas. 948 00:43:13,173 --> 00:43:14,883 I was 24 years old 949 00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:18,554 and belonged to a private tennis club. 950 00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,973 The name of the club was Cambridge Racquet Club. 951 00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:24,935 It was where all the stars that played tennis would come. 952 00:43:24,977 --> 00:43:27,313 That's where Andre Agassi trained. 953 00:43:27,354 --> 00:43:30,649 He was about ten when I started playing there. 954 00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:34,069 I do have an incredible top-spin backhand 955 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,904 two-handed lob that I use in pickleball 956 00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:37,948 and I learned straight from Andre when he was a kid. 957 00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:45,581 I was playing in the club mixed doubles championship, 958 00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:48,500 and the tournament director asked, "Hey, Cosby's in town. 959 00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,210 He wants to play in the private tournament. 960 00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:51,462 Do you care?" 961 00:43:54,548 --> 00:43:56,175 My partner, Herman, and I said, 962 00:43:56,216 --> 00:43:57,718 "- No, we don't care. We'll beat anybody. 963 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,928 That's all right. Bring him on." 964 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:04,391 And that's the first time that I met him. 965 00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:06,060 He challenged us to a bet-- 966 00:44:06,101 --> 00:44:08,771 if you and your partner beat us, 967 00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:11,065 you can come to my show tonight, front-row seat. 968 00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:12,608 Okay, now let's get down to business. 969 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,109 I'm saying to my partner, 970 00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:16,862 "Okay, it's time to kick some backside now, come on." 971 00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,366 I was 100% certain that my partner and I 972 00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:23,786 would beat Bill Cosby and his partner, 973 00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:25,621 and I'm going to tell you right now, 974 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,831 it's the only competitive match in my life 975 00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:30,709 that I wish I hadn't have won. 976 00:44:30,751 --> 00:44:33,379 So it was late on a Saturday. 977 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,797 My partner, Herman, 978 00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,882 happened to work at the Las Vegas Hilton 979 00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,885 as the head maitre d' in the showroom, 980 00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:41,887 so he saw acts every night. 981 00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:43,806 And my extra bad luck 982 00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,974 is that he was working that night, 983 00:44:46,016 --> 00:44:47,893 so it was too late for me to get anyone else, 984 00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:50,896 so I guess I'll go by myself. 985 00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:53,399 When I got to the Hilton, 986 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,069 I said, "Hey, Herman, I'm here for that front-row seat." 987 00:44:57,111 --> 00:44:58,570 He said, "Well, you've been invited 988 00:44:58,612 --> 00:45:00,531 to go backstage to his dressing room." 989 00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:03,158 So someone, and I can't describe or tell you who, 990 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,411 took me into the dressing room. 991 00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,497 There was a giant array of fruits and food, 992 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:11,750 and Cosby came on my right side 993 00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:14,086 and handed me a champagne flute. 994 00:45:14,128 --> 00:45:16,672 Now, I was just a kid, but I knew what that was. 995 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,173 And it had a clear liquid in it 996 00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:19,425 with something red in the bottom, 997 00:45:19,466 --> 00:45:21,427 and I assumed it to be fruit. 998 00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:25,431 So I took a sip of what I assumed was champagne, 999 00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:26,765 and I thought, "You'd think 1000 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,100 that he could afford something better. 1001 00:45:28,142 --> 00:45:30,185 This is a terrible taste." 1002 00:45:30,227 --> 00:45:32,354 But I drank probably half of it. 1003 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,107 But these are my last three conscious memories. 1004 00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:36,608 Looking to my left-- 1005 00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:38,944 I can't move my body, just my eyes. 1006 00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:41,739 I'm thinking, "That's the biggest cappuccino machine 1007 00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:43,574 I've ever seen. 1008 00:45:43,615 --> 00:45:46,744 I can't believe you're kissing me wearing your wife's-- 1009 00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:49,121 an ID bracelet with your wife's name on it, 1010 00:45:49,163 --> 00:45:51,874 and I didn't know your skin would be so soft." 1011 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,127 Done. 1012 00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:57,963 I don't know how I got home. I don't know if I drove. 1013 00:45:58,005 --> 00:46:00,883 I would find it pretty hard to believe that I drove. 1014 00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:02,468 I went back to the tennis club, 1015 00:46:02,509 --> 00:46:04,178 and the tournament desk 1016 00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:07,806 handed me one of the old message papers. 1017 00:46:07,848 --> 00:46:09,892 Here, "Cosby called. He wants you to call him." 1018 00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:11,393 So I did call, 1019 00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:14,438 and I was going to give him a piece of my mind, 1020 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,148 but I never got those words out 1021 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:18,650 because he was so skilled. 1022 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,489 He said, "I'm sorry about what happened last night. 1023 00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:27,326 I guess I got the wrong idea of what you wanted 1024 00:46:27,367 --> 00:46:29,578 because you drank too much." 1025 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:34,416 And suddenly, I feel this big. 1026 00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:37,586 He also said, which hasn't been talked about much, 1027 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,087 "Let me make it up to you. 1028 00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:41,006 You didn't get to see the show. 1029 00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:43,509 Come back tonight between the first and second show. 1030 00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:45,010 I don't have any friends. 1031 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:47,137 Everybody just thinks I'm a star, 1032 00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,348 and I just want to play backgammon." 1033 00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:50,933 And I fell for it. 1034 00:46:52,351 --> 00:46:53,977 I went. 1035 00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,021 I didn't--I said, "I'm not drinking when I'm there," 1036 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:57,689 because, remember, he told me I had drank too much, 1037 00:46:57,731 --> 00:46:59,733 and so, of course, I'm gonna believe it. 1038 00:46:59,775 --> 00:47:02,444 He's an old Bill Cosby. What do I know? 1039 00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:05,531 I'm just a kid that must have made a mistake. 1040 00:47:05,572 --> 00:47:08,575 So I just assumed he was right. 1041 00:47:08,617 --> 00:47:12,412 Naive, drank too much... 1042 00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:15,707 but I know better now. 1043 00:47:15,749 --> 00:47:18,335 We played backgammon. He stood up. 1044 00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:20,629 "Okay, I got to go get ready for the show." 1045 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,549 I stood up, expecting to be taken to a seat, 1046 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:25,926 and he grabbed on to me 1047 00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:28,720 and was trying to kiss me, but now I'm sober. 1048 00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,097 He had an erection. 1049 00:47:30,138 --> 00:47:32,224 It was pressed right up against me, 1050 00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:34,393 I got away from him. 1051 00:47:34,434 --> 00:47:36,061 I mean, he's bigger than me, 1052 00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:40,023 but I was able to fend him off. 1053 00:47:40,065 --> 00:47:41,567 And I went home, going, 1054 00:47:41,608 --> 00:47:44,570 "Well, he has certainly shown who he is." 1055 00:47:44,611 --> 00:47:46,363 And someone said, "Why didn't you go to the police?" 1056 00:47:46,405 --> 00:47:48,240 I didn't know adultery was against the law. 1057 00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,658 That's what I thought. 1058 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,243 That's all I thought. 1059 00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:54,663 That's all I thought. 1060 00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:56,081 I don't know what happened. 1061 00:47:56,123 --> 00:47:58,083 I didn't wake up in his bed. 1062 00:47:58,125 --> 00:47:59,960 I don't have trauma 1063 00:48:00,002 --> 00:48:03,380 of precise rape. 1064 00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:06,174 I don't know what happened, but I know something happened. 1065 00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:09,887 Kissing me without my permission is sexual assault. 1066 00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:11,722 Now, would I want to get hypnotized? 1067 00:48:11,763 --> 00:48:13,140 You remember what that was? 1068 00:48:13,181 --> 00:48:14,182 Hell, no. 1069 00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:21,607 What is it? Bill Cosby: Himself. 1070 00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:23,150 Yes. If it ain't you, who is it? 1071 00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,444 Well, it depends on who's in the room. 1072 00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:28,906 Madame, I want to thank you for doing that, 1073 00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:30,198 but I feel a little silly. 1074 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,492 I didn't come here tonight to push my album. 1075 00:48:32,534 --> 00:48:34,036 Oh, well... Yeah 1076 00:48:34,077 --> 00:48:35,704 ...it's almost as silly as selling Coca-Cola, 1077 00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,623 computers, and Jell-O, isn't it? 1078 00:48:39,249 --> 00:48:41,251 There was a stand-up-comedy boom 1079 00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:44,004 in the '70s that only got bigger in the '80s. 1080 00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:47,049 Stand-up comics were becoming as big as rock stars. 1081 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,927 Steve Martin, Richard Pryor, George Carlin, 1082 00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,804 and eventually Eddie Murphy. 1083 00:48:52,846 --> 00:48:55,474 And stand-up was also becoming way more X-Rated. 1084 00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:56,975 Hope no one gets offended. 1085 00:48:57,017 --> 00:49:00,020 I want to talk about fucking. 1086 00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:01,355 This is where you do your best fucking, 1087 00:49:01,396 --> 00:49:03,231 when you just start to learn your body 1088 00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:06,777 and getting all your shoulders in on the fucking. 1089 00:49:06,818 --> 00:49:08,236 Bill Cosby was still releasing 1090 00:49:08,278 --> 00:49:09,571 G-rated comedy albums. 1091 00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:21,667 But these weren't celebrated like his earlier albums. 1092 00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:24,503 It seemed like stand-up comedy was passing him by, 1093 00:49:24,544 --> 00:49:27,130 and also, comedy was moving away from the album 1094 00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:28,757 to something bigger. 1095 00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:31,551 HBO specials are starting to happen. 1096 00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:33,178 Robert Klein was the first one, 1097 00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,138 and then Carlin jumped on, 1098 00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:38,100 and then, of course, Pryor comes out with this film, 1099 00:49:38,141 --> 00:49:40,394 Richard Pryor: Live in Concert. 1100 00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:43,063 Even though HBO had already done some comedy specials, 1101 00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,691 this was, like, the high water mark. 1102 00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:48,819 Richard Pryor had had success taping his stand-up 1103 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,238 and releasing them in movie theaters. 1104 00:49:51,279 --> 00:49:53,365 What you taking my picture for? 1105 00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,158 Who you gonna show it to? 1106 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,036 Sit your ugly ass down. 1107 00:49:58,078 --> 00:50:01,123 And that really built up Richard Pryor's career. 1108 00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:03,792 I think Bill Cosby was like, 1109 00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:05,335 "Oh, you think you know 1110 00:50:05,377 --> 00:50:08,839 how to do a single-person comedy special? 1111 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,924 Guess what. Watch the master." 1112 00:50:12,384 --> 00:50:15,053 Bill Cosby: Himself-- 1113 00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,222 If you're a true comedy fan, 1114 00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:21,226 you can tell that this dude is a master at his craft. 1115 00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:25,564 Even the best comics you think of right now 1116 00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:29,735 can't just sit down in a chair and kill. 1117 00:50:29,776 --> 00:50:32,738 First of all, in stand-up, when you see comics sit down, 1118 00:50:32,779 --> 00:50:35,073 we be like, "You ain't-- Who are you? 1119 00:50:35,115 --> 00:50:38,118 Motherfucker, you ain't Bill Cosby, motherfucker. 1120 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,455 Boy, am I glad to be back here. 1121 00:50:41,496 --> 00:50:43,206 Bill Cosby sat down 1122 00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:45,125 and had the microphone on his knee. 1123 00:50:46,334 --> 00:50:48,045 Are you fucking kidding me? 1124 00:50:48,086 --> 00:50:51,089 He's doing TV shows. He's doing movies. 1125 00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:52,382 He's doing cartoons. 1126 00:50:52,424 --> 00:50:54,259 All those other things are fine, 1127 00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:58,221 but with   Bill Cosby: Himself, he gets back to the roots. 1128 00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:02,225 This is the transition from young Cosby, 1129 00:51:02,267 --> 00:51:06,354 like, the athlete, to, oh, I'm the dad. 1130 00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:09,107 He's not the sexy guy in I Spy. 1131 00:51:09,149 --> 00:51:11,526 He's not sort of the cool uncle. 1132 00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,028 He comes out wearing glasses. 1133 00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:16,948 He's a lot fleshier than he was in I Spy. 1134 00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,785 Middle age is starting to show in Bill Cosby. 1135 00:51:19,826 --> 00:51:22,788 He didn't come out in the leather suit. 1136 00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:24,790 It wasn't the swagger. 1137 00:51:24,831 --> 00:51:27,793 The stage is completely sparse. 1138 00:51:27,834 --> 00:51:29,461 Part of it's to keep the focus on him. 1139 00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:31,421 You're not getting distracted by anything else. 1140 00:51:31,463 --> 00:51:33,048 You're just listening to what he's saying. 1141 00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:36,760 It's a lot of his observational humor 1142 00:51:36,802 --> 00:51:38,929 in the most conversational kind of way. 1143 00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:41,640 Like, you don't even feel like you really watching stand-up. 1144 00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:43,642 There are bits in this special 1145 00:51:43,683 --> 00:51:45,769 that people are still talking about. 1146 00:51:45,811 --> 00:51:48,021 Chocolate cake, coming up! 1147 00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:50,774 Four slices. 1148 00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:52,859 Daddy's great 1149 00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:58,532 Give us the chocolate cake 1150 00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:02,828 And we had a ball until... 1151 00:52:08,166 --> 00:52:09,751 And the bit from this special 1152 00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:12,671 that everybody remembers is the dentist. 1153 00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:17,634 Dentists... 1154 00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:20,095 tell you not to pick your teeth 1155 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:24,182 with any sharp metal object. 1156 00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:25,934 Then you sit in their chair. 1157 00:52:28,728 --> 00:52:32,274 Now the dentist pulls out a needle. 1158 00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:34,151 This is to deaden in the pain. 1159 00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,531 Now, a regular doctor giving you a shot will go... 1160 00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:41,324 And that's it. 1161 00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:42,534 Sound effects. 1162 00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:44,202 Dentists don't do that. They go... 1163 00:52:49,082 --> 00:52:52,377 So the dentist comes back. You want to talk to him. 1164 00:52:52,419 --> 00:52:54,379 So you say... 1165 00:52:58,258 --> 00:52:59,718 "I beg your pardon." 1166 00:53:04,097 --> 00:53:06,057 Yeah, he got it. He's covering it all. 1167 00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:08,643 I love how he would imitate 1168 00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:11,146 a conversation between two people. 1169 00:53:19,738 --> 00:53:21,990 This bit became so huge, 1170 00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:25,410 Bill Cosby could still close on it 20 years later. 1171 00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:28,330 The Cosby dental joke is so... 1172 00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:31,499 so solid in our American culture 1173 00:53:31,541 --> 00:53:34,711 that if you do a dental joke, it better be so different 1174 00:53:34,753 --> 00:53:35,921 'cause a motherfucker be like, 1175 00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:38,256 "- That's Cosby, man. Switch up." 1176 00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:39,883 He's talking about his wife. 1177 00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:41,343 He's talking about his kids. 1178 00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:43,094 He's talking about being a dad, 1179 00:53:43,136 --> 00:53:45,347 stuff a lot of comics talk about, 1180 00:53:45,388 --> 00:53:47,432 but it's the way he's talking about it. 1181 00:53:47,474 --> 00:53:49,434 You get just as angry with a child, 1182 00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:51,478 and you don't want to say, "But what the filth? 1183 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,730 And I'll bust your filth and foul, 1184 00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:55,565 and I'll filth your face, 1185 00:53:55,607 --> 00:53:57,150 and, yeah, you filth and foul, 1186 00:53:57,192 --> 00:54:00,320 foul, filth and I'll filth in your foul, filth." 1187 00:54:00,362 --> 00:54:03,657 As banal as all of the subjects are, 1188 00:54:03,698 --> 00:54:07,494 the level of comedic brilliance 1189 00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,413 as far as a performance goes for Cosby 1190 00:54:10,455 --> 00:54:12,290 is really underrated 1191 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:16,127 because he's not doing anything shocking in any way. 1192 00:54:16,169 --> 00:54:19,256 I think there's one bit of profanity in it. 1193 00:54:19,297 --> 00:54:21,091 He uses the word "asshole," 1194 00:54:21,132 --> 00:54:23,510 but he uses it in a way 1195 00:54:23,551 --> 00:54:25,804 that the audience will forgive. 1196 00:54:25,845 --> 00:54:29,474 I said, "Tell me, you know, what is it about cocaine 1197 00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:31,476 that makes it so wonderful?" 1198 00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:33,979 And the guy said, "Well... 1199 00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:36,982 it intensifies your personality." 1200 00:54:39,025 --> 00:54:41,820 And I said, "Yes, but what if you're an asshole?" 1201 00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:47,993 And Bill Cosby does the thing 1202 00:54:48,034 --> 00:54:50,328 that after the success of this film, 1203 00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:52,831 comics would repeatedly try to replicate. 1204 00:54:52,872 --> 00:54:54,833 He's using his special 1205 00:54:54,874 --> 00:54:58,211 to pitch his next idea-- his TV show. 1206 00:54:58,253 --> 00:55:00,171 Latter half of that film, 1207 00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:02,173 it's all about being a family man, 1208 00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:05,260 but especially being a father of five children. 1209 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:07,429 Our children enjoy their dinner 1210 00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:10,932 because my wife allows them to listen to their music. 1211 00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:14,352 So, if you get to... 1212 00:55:14,394 --> 00:55:17,105 And the children eat, and they... 1213 00:55:17,147 --> 00:55:18,565 Sound familiar? 1214 00:55:22,777 --> 00:55:24,863 I don't look at them. I just keep... 1215 00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:29,909 He's giving you the befuddled father. 1216 00:55:29,951 --> 00:55:32,162 You know, all these things are kind of happening around him, 1217 00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:34,122 and he's just trying to hold body and soul together 1218 00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:35,707 without killing his children. 1219 00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:40,378 Also, people with one child do not have to go through-- 1220 00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:43,548 will you stop touching me? 1221 00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,009 I mean, if you got one child and the child's doing that, 1222 00:55:46,051 --> 00:55:48,345 then you got to take it away, you know? 1223 00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:50,972 Somewhere, a TV exec watched this and thought, 1224 00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:53,016 "Hmm, is America ready 1225 00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,727 for a new Black family sitcom?" 1226 00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,355 Bill Cosby's genius is that 1227 00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:02,776 he took just this everyday mundane stuff 1228 00:56:02,817 --> 00:56:05,820 and literally crafted 1229 00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:10,075 this whole comedy aura around it. 1230 00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:16,039 If Bill Cosby's career had ended that night, 1231 00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:18,917 he would've been cemented as one of the greats. 1232 00:56:18,958 --> 00:56:23,046 But because of his relentlessness in the '70s, 1233 00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:25,715 his connection to America's kids, 1234 00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:28,385 and the capricious nature of showbiz, 1235 00:56:28,426 --> 00:56:30,470 Bill Cosby would soon reach 1236 00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:32,889 a level of fame, wealth, and power 1237 00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:35,350 that no one could have imagined. 1238 00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:39,687 You know, one thing I remember that... 1239 00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:41,106 I was at work one day, 1240 00:56:41,147 --> 00:56:43,775 and somebody was talking about The Cosby Show, 1241 00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:47,278 and I said... 1242 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,281 "That guy is not as squeaky clean as you think." 1243 00:56:50,323 --> 00:56:52,117 I didn't care that he had a hit. 1244 00:56:52,158 --> 00:56:53,576 I didn't care if it was a flop. 1245 00:56:53,618 --> 00:56:55,120 I didn't care either way. 1246 00:56:55,161 --> 00:56:57,705 I just kept thinking that he's got everybody fooled. 99378

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