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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,076 --> 00:00:08,643 Take one. Mark. 2 00:00:10,297 --> 00:00:11,385 We're ready. 3 00:00:12,908 --> 00:00:14,953 All right. We ready to roll again? 4 00:00:14,997 --> 00:00:16,955 - How's that? - Good. 5 00:00:16,999 --> 00:00:18,716 I just wanted to make a difference, you know? 6 00:00:18,740 --> 00:00:21,264 I mean, I'm not doing this for 15 minutes of fame. 7 00:00:21,308 --> 00:00:22,831 I mean, who'd want to throw themselves 8 00:00:22,874 --> 00:00:24,572 under the train for that? 9 00:00:24,615 --> 00:00:29,011 It's... I just want it to change for women and young girls 10 00:00:29,054 --> 00:00:30,926 to think twice about what they're doing. 11 00:00:33,450 --> 00:00:35,974 'Cause there's always gonna be a guy like Hef 12 00:00:36,018 --> 00:00:38,194 in the... in the wings. 13 00:00:38,238 --> 00:00:40,588 Some of these girls 14 00:00:40,631 --> 00:00:44,418 don't want to bring up those memories. 15 00:00:44,461 --> 00:00:45,767 You know, there's a lot 16 00:00:45,810 --> 00:00:47,508 that don't want to even talk about it. 17 00:00:51,251 --> 00:00:52,948 Ready? 18 00:00:52,991 --> 00:00:54,558 - No. - No? 19 00:00:54,602 --> 00:00:57,779 Okay. Okay. 20 00:00:57,822 --> 00:00:59,084 All right. 21 00:00:59,128 --> 00:01:00,782 Are you ready? 22 00:01:00,825 --> 00:01:03,306 I'm ready. 23 00:01:03,350 --> 00:01:06,570 I don't think we know 24 00:01:06,614 --> 00:01:09,269 what Hugh Hefner's legacy is yet, ultimately. 25 00:01:09,312 --> 00:01:12,794 I don't think the dust has even settled. 26 00:01:16,145 --> 00:01:17,973 We have some breaking news for you tonight. 27 00:01:18,016 --> 00:01:20,715 Playboy founder Hugh Hefner has died at the age of 91. 28 00:01:20,758 --> 00:01:22,499 Hefner changed America when he introduced 29 00:01:22,543 --> 00:01:25,110 "Playboy" magazine back in 1953. 30 00:01:25,154 --> 00:01:27,330 He changed the magazine culture. 31 00:01:27,374 --> 00:01:29,419 He changed the American sex culture, if you will. 32 00:01:29,463 --> 00:01:30,899 But that came with some controversy. 33 00:01:30,942 --> 00:01:33,380 Hefner's legacy is very confusing 34 00:01:33,423 --> 00:01:37,645 because he sold women a very seductive package 35 00:01:37,688 --> 00:01:39,603 about sexual freedom 36 00:01:39,647 --> 00:01:42,476 and what that means in our culture. 37 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:45,000 And yet, there's a lot of hypocrisy around that. 38 00:01:47,045 --> 00:01:50,353 He's like a cipher. You can make him the devil. 39 00:01:50,397 --> 00:01:52,050 You can make him 40 00:01:52,094 --> 00:01:54,072 one of the most important Americans who ever lived. 41 00:01:54,096 --> 00:01:56,794 You can say he celebrated women. 42 00:01:56,838 --> 00:01:58,840 You can say he was a terrible sexist. 43 00:01:58,883 --> 00:02:01,146 He is whatever you want him to be. 44 00:02:01,190 --> 00:02:04,976 I don't think Hefner was a super moral individual. 45 00:02:05,020 --> 00:02:07,588 Hugh Hefner was a transactional man. 46 00:02:07,631 --> 00:02:09,459 He was a businessman. 47 00:02:09,503 --> 00:02:12,462 I think he... I think he was a monster. 48 00:02:12,506 --> 00:02:16,336 I could look at him, and I saw the devil. 49 00:02:20,905 --> 00:02:22,864 My name is Hugh Hefner. 50 00:02:22,907 --> 00:02:24,779 I'm editor/publisher of "Playboy" magazine. 51 00:02:24,822 --> 00:02:26,737 When Hugh Hefner was just 27, 52 00:02:26,781 --> 00:02:28,913 he fashioned himself and "Playboy" 53 00:02:28,957 --> 00:02:31,307 as the face of sexual liberation. 54 00:02:31,351 --> 00:02:32,874 "Playboy" is one of the most famous 55 00:02:32,917 --> 00:02:34,876 brand names in the world. 56 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,462 I would like to be remembered as somebody 57 00:02:36,486 --> 00:02:38,358 who played some positive part 58 00:02:38,401 --> 00:02:41,143 in changing the social, sexual values of my time. 59 00:02:42,579 --> 00:02:45,713 I believe that Hef pulled one over on the whole world. 60 00:02:47,018 --> 00:02:49,151 The fantasy of "Playboy" that he created 61 00:02:49,194 --> 00:02:52,241 did not allow for the consent of the women. 62 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:55,418 When it came to Hefner's buddies, 63 00:02:55,462 --> 00:02:57,507 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 64 00:02:57,551 --> 00:02:59,161 Whatever you got for free. 65 00:02:59,204 --> 00:03:00,989 When you get someone that powerful, 66 00:03:01,032 --> 00:03:03,600 anything could happen. Anything. 67 00:03:03,644 --> 00:03:05,341 The people who were really there, 68 00:03:05,385 --> 00:03:06,927 they're the ones who know the real truth. 69 00:03:06,951 --> 00:03:09,519 I want to be a voice for the women 70 00:03:09,563 --> 00:03:11,260 that suffered the most at his hands. 71 00:03:22,489 --> 00:03:24,665 I know. Time for breakfast. 72 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:31,759 Time for breakfast? 73 00:03:33,674 --> 00:03:35,023 Who wants breakfast? 74 00:03:37,591 --> 00:03:39,157 Okay. 75 00:03:39,201 --> 00:03:42,204 My name is Jennifer Saginor. 76 00:03:42,247 --> 00:03:44,424 I grew up at the Playboy Mansion. 77 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:47,427 Since Hefner's death, 78 00:03:47,470 --> 00:03:50,473 I'm noticing that people that were close to "Playboy" 79 00:03:50,517 --> 00:03:51,822 are starting to suddenly go back 80 00:03:51,866 --> 00:03:54,390 and reevaluate their experiences 81 00:03:54,434 --> 00:03:55,754 and they're starting to speak out. 82 00:03:58,220 --> 00:04:01,136 It's taken me a long time to sort of unravel 83 00:04:01,179 --> 00:04:04,444 what I experienced growing up and how it made me feel. 84 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:09,797 I had a sense of loyalty to this inner sanctum, 85 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,496 to this inner circle that I was initiated into very young. 86 00:04:13,540 --> 00:04:16,760 I didn't want to break that loyalty 87 00:04:16,804 --> 00:04:18,893 because I knew there would be serious consequences. 88 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,243 All right. 89 00:04:21,286 --> 00:04:23,811 It was such a weird, up place. 90 00:04:23,854 --> 00:04:27,292 But, I mean, the truth is that growing up there as a kid, 91 00:04:27,336 --> 00:04:30,165 it was magical. 92 00:04:30,208 --> 00:04:33,951 I was six when I went there for the first time. 93 00:04:33,995 --> 00:04:36,606 When I was 11, 94 00:04:36,650 --> 00:04:40,436 I basically started living there part time. 95 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,134 My father was Hefner's best friend and doctor 96 00:04:43,178 --> 00:04:47,487 for about 40 years and had his own room there as well. 97 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:52,535 The Mansion was like a magical kingdom. 98 00:04:52,579 --> 00:04:55,799 I could have anything I wanted. 99 00:04:55,843 --> 00:04:58,541 I mean, the game room was unbelievable. 100 00:04:58,585 --> 00:05:01,413 You know, I would literally just take as many gumballs 101 00:05:01,457 --> 00:05:03,024 and M&M's as I wanted. 102 00:05:04,895 --> 00:05:07,028 In the morning, the butlers would make my lunch 103 00:05:07,071 --> 00:05:10,727 and I would get into Hef's limo and go to school. 104 00:05:10,771 --> 00:05:15,166 And there was a zoo on the Mansion property. 105 00:05:15,210 --> 00:05:18,735 All the Playmates would sort of watch over me. 106 00:05:18,779 --> 00:05:23,479 And these girls became sort of substitute mother figures. 107 00:05:23,523 --> 00:05:25,786 Dorothy Stratten used to babysit me. 108 00:05:25,829 --> 00:05:28,832 She was Playmate of the Year. 109 00:05:28,876 --> 00:05:32,053 We used to always, like, play dress up. 110 00:05:32,096 --> 00:05:34,272 We used to just go like roller-skating 111 00:05:34,316 --> 00:05:37,275 on the tennis court. 112 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:40,888 So, for me, those connections became everything. 113 00:05:42,716 --> 00:05:47,372 I have so many happy memories of myself with Hef. 114 00:05:47,416 --> 00:05:49,070 I remember sitting on my father's knee 115 00:05:49,113 --> 00:05:52,160 while he and Hef were playing backgammon. 116 00:05:52,203 --> 00:05:54,554 We would play pinball in the game room 117 00:05:54,597 --> 00:05:57,513 and Hef would let me put my thumb on top of his. 118 00:05:57,557 --> 00:05:59,123 It just made me feel so special. 119 00:05:59,167 --> 00:06:02,692 Like he was just such a very, like, soft, comforting, 120 00:06:02,736 --> 00:06:06,087 nurturing, sort of, like, you know, paternal figure. 121 00:06:07,262 --> 00:06:09,917 My most special memory is Christmas though. 122 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,049 I just remember like Frank Sinatra 123 00:06:12,093 --> 00:06:14,225 and the music in the background 124 00:06:14,269 --> 00:06:15,836 and the buffet table. 125 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:18,926 And it was just really a sense of family. 126 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:26,542 There's something about it that was very free, you know, 127 00:06:26,586 --> 00:06:29,153 and like warm and comforting. 128 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:35,290 I just don't find that now. 129 00:06:37,335 --> 00:06:40,600 I haven't found that in any point in my life. 130 00:06:46,693 --> 00:06:49,304 I am so thrilled to be in this beautiful house 131 00:06:49,347 --> 00:06:51,132 where you live, the Playboy Mansion. 132 00:06:51,175 --> 00:06:53,569 Tell me what this house means to you. 133 00:06:53,613 --> 00:06:56,398 Well, first of all, it's home. 134 00:06:56,441 --> 00:06:59,140 I was born and raised, as you know, in Chicago 135 00:06:59,183 --> 00:07:01,229 and have a very lovely home there, 136 00:07:01,272 --> 00:07:03,492 which was the original Playboy Mansion. 137 00:07:03,535 --> 00:07:05,973 But in 1971, I got this house. 138 00:07:06,016 --> 00:07:09,977 And around '75, I just decided to make the move. 139 00:07:10,020 --> 00:07:11,694 It has been referred to by some friends as Shangri La. 140 00:07:11,718 --> 00:07:14,590 The rumor is that you don't get older 141 00:07:14,634 --> 00:07:16,679 once you come through the gates. 142 00:07:19,682 --> 00:07:21,815 I think all of us who were part of the scene 143 00:07:21,858 --> 00:07:26,080 at the Playboy Mansion, there was an unwritten rule. 144 00:07:26,123 --> 00:07:27,777 You left your troubles at the gate. 145 00:07:30,562 --> 00:07:34,131 You drive up this driveway and the first thing you see 146 00:07:34,175 --> 00:07:37,700 is this fountain which was like a dolphin... 147 00:07:37,744 --> 00:07:40,355 being molested by a baby. 148 00:07:40,398 --> 00:07:44,489 And then you pull up to this great Gothic house. 149 00:07:44,533 --> 00:07:48,145 There's this big wooden door that creaks open. 150 00:07:48,189 --> 00:07:50,080 You know, there were signs about "Playmates at play" 151 00:07:50,104 --> 00:07:53,150 and also, you know, "Careful about the monkeys." 152 00:07:53,194 --> 00:07:54,674 I mean, it was just like arriving 153 00:07:54,891 --> 00:07:58,547 in the strangest Xanadu. 154 00:07:59,591 --> 00:08:00,810 Every man wanted to be there. 155 00:08:01,028 --> 00:08:03,508 Every woman wanted to be there. 156 00:08:03,552 --> 00:08:06,816 The parties were extravagant. 157 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:08,775 If you open the wrong door, 158 00:08:08,818 --> 00:08:12,300 you're gonna see a whole lot more than you anticipated. 159 00:08:12,343 --> 00:08:15,782 Even in the foliage sometimes. 160 00:08:17,435 --> 00:08:21,135 I mean, the parties, the roller skating, 161 00:08:21,178 --> 00:08:23,964 the tennis matches, volleyball. 162 00:08:24,007 --> 00:08:28,620 There was always something going on that was for fun. 163 00:08:28,664 --> 00:08:30,710 These are the things that people don't understand 164 00:08:30,753 --> 00:08:33,582 about the Playboy Mansion or about Hugh Hefner. 165 00:08:33,625 --> 00:08:38,282 They don't understand what I call the innocent times. 166 00:08:38,326 --> 00:08:41,372 Oh, my God, I remember that party... that's insane. 167 00:08:41,416 --> 00:08:44,549 These are so fun, these parties. 168 00:08:44,593 --> 00:08:47,552 There was something in the air that made you feel 169 00:08:47,596 --> 00:08:50,686 that nobody was judging you. 170 00:08:50,730 --> 00:08:53,994 And many of the women truly enjoyed 171 00:08:54,037 --> 00:08:58,825 not feeling so constricted by our society. 172 00:08:58,868 --> 00:09:01,392 You're free to be whoever you want to be. 173 00:09:09,096 --> 00:09:11,098 Everything was so beautiful. 174 00:09:13,143 --> 00:09:15,015 It was very glamorous. 175 00:09:17,452 --> 00:09:20,324 And it was Hef's world, you know? 176 00:09:20,368 --> 00:09:23,763 Hefner...created it. 177 00:09:23,806 --> 00:09:27,070 He molded it. And he was king. 178 00:09:27,114 --> 00:09:29,420 Much of what Playboy's all about, really, 179 00:09:29,464 --> 00:09:31,422 is a Disneyland for adults, 180 00:09:31,466 --> 00:09:34,034 a projection of those adolescent dreams 181 00:09:34,077 --> 00:09:35,818 and fantasies that I had in growing up 182 00:09:35,862 --> 00:09:38,560 that I've never really lost. 183 00:09:38,603 --> 00:09:41,955 Hugh Hefner was in his own world. 184 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:43,739 If you look at the photos, 185 00:09:43,783 --> 00:09:46,829 he thought he was the king, the emperor. 186 00:09:46,873 --> 00:09:51,616 We were just servants. Everybody else was invisible. 187 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:54,663 He didn't want to know our names. 188 00:09:54,706 --> 00:09:58,536 He just gave us directions. We had to memorize them. 189 00:09:58,580 --> 00:10:02,932 He drank around 35, 40 Pepsis a day. 190 00:10:02,976 --> 00:10:06,457 I had to wrap them in a special red napkin 191 00:10:06,501 --> 00:10:08,677 according to the instructions. 192 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,201 He ate mostly M&M's, 193 00:10:11,245 --> 00:10:12,855 2 or 3 pounds a day, 194 00:10:12,899 --> 00:10:15,336 and red licorice. 195 00:10:15,379 --> 00:10:18,513 His condoms were stacked in a certain place 196 00:10:18,556 --> 00:10:19,862 in the headboard. 197 00:10:19,906 --> 00:10:22,778 There were 150 rules. 198 00:10:22,822 --> 00:10:25,563 We had to follow them exactly. 199 00:10:25,607 --> 00:10:28,915 We were told, "You cannot talk to the girls. 200 00:10:28,958 --> 00:10:31,308 "You're not their friend. 201 00:10:31,352 --> 00:10:35,008 You work for Mr. Hefner. You don't work for them." 202 00:10:39,403 --> 00:10:41,710 As a child, I looked up to Hefner 203 00:10:41,753 --> 00:10:45,192 because he had this big magic castle 204 00:10:45,235 --> 00:10:50,023 and he was larger than life, and he was charming, 205 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:52,199 and everybody loved him, 206 00:10:52,242 --> 00:10:55,158 and he seemed very humble 207 00:10:55,202 --> 00:10:59,293 and was very generous and seemed like, 208 00:10:59,336 --> 00:11:01,295 you know, a really amazing person 209 00:11:01,338 --> 00:11:03,688 who deserved these blessings. 210 00:11:06,213 --> 00:11:09,694 Years later, I started to realize 211 00:11:09,738 --> 00:11:11,783 that everyone in this environment 212 00:11:11,827 --> 00:11:14,961 put Hef on a pedestal. 213 00:11:15,004 --> 00:11:17,311 And it wasn't genuine. 214 00:11:17,354 --> 00:11:20,531 This was all like an illusion. 215 00:11:30,933 --> 00:11:33,414 Everything you heard about Hefner and "Playboy" 216 00:11:33,457 --> 00:11:38,593 was exactly what his PR agency wanted you to hear. 217 00:11:38,636 --> 00:11:42,684 It was a very calculated misrepresentation of the truth. 218 00:11:42,727 --> 00:11:44,686 Playboy became kind of something more than 219 00:11:44,729 --> 00:11:46,340 just a magazine for me. 220 00:11:46,383 --> 00:11:50,648 It really was a projection of a way of life 221 00:11:50,692 --> 00:11:53,086 and, uh, what we now call an alternate lifestyle, 222 00:11:53,129 --> 00:11:54,652 if you will. 223 00:11:54,696 --> 00:11:57,960 The Playboy Philosophy was like a manifesto. 224 00:11:58,004 --> 00:12:01,964 For him, it was always about individual freedom. 225 00:12:02,008 --> 00:12:03,376 "I should be able to say what I want 226 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,769 "as long as I'm not hurting anybody. 227 00:12:04,793 --> 00:12:06,708 "I should be able to sleep with who I want 228 00:12:06,751 --> 00:12:08,623 as long as I'm not hurting anybody." 229 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:13,410 The blueprint for "Playboy" can be traced 230 00:12:13,454 --> 00:12:17,066 to his entire life leading up to that point. 231 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:19,677 Hef was born during the Roaring '20s 232 00:12:19,721 --> 00:12:21,636 and the Jazz Age. 233 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,246 His parents were strict Methodists, 234 00:12:23,290 --> 00:12:27,294 and there wasn't a lot of affection shown in the home. 235 00:12:27,337 --> 00:12:30,166 He came out of the war, got married. 236 00:12:30,210 --> 00:12:32,299 I think you've got to find yourself 237 00:12:32,342 --> 00:12:35,693 before you find your lifelong mate. 238 00:12:35,737 --> 00:12:37,782 And looking around at the repressive society 239 00:12:37,826 --> 00:12:40,568 that existed in America after World War II, 240 00:12:40,611 --> 00:12:42,613 he felt he had things to say. 241 00:12:42,657 --> 00:12:46,530 In 1953, Hugh Hefner was 27 years old, 242 00:12:46,574 --> 00:12:49,403 literally at a card table with a little typewriter. 243 00:12:49,446 --> 00:12:51,492 And he managed to pull together the money 244 00:12:51,535 --> 00:12:52,991 to launch the first edition of "Playboy," 245 00:12:53,015 --> 00:12:56,366 which they didn't even put a date on it 246 00:12:56,410 --> 00:12:58,344 because they weren't sure there was gonna be a second edition. 247 00:12:58,368 --> 00:13:00,128 Because they had Marilyn Monroe on the cover 248 00:13:00,153 --> 00:13:02,459 and Marilyn Monroe on the inside, 249 00:13:02,503 --> 00:13:05,288 the first issue sold all 50,000 copies immediately. 250 00:13:05,332 --> 00:13:06,986 By the 1970s, 251 00:13:07,029 --> 00:13:10,337 "Playboy" was selling 7 million copies a month. 252 00:13:10,380 --> 00:13:14,210 "Playboy" was classy. It was intoxicating. 253 00:13:14,254 --> 00:13:16,691 There was naked women in there, there was nudity. 254 00:13:16,734 --> 00:13:20,042 But also it was brilliant articles. 255 00:13:20,086 --> 00:13:24,873 It was incisive philosophy. It was leading the culture. 256 00:13:24,916 --> 00:13:27,180 I think the search for a new ethical, you know, 257 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:29,225 set of moral values based on something 258 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:32,794 other than simply rigid rules set forth 259 00:13:32,837 --> 00:13:34,665 many, many centuries ago 260 00:13:34,709 --> 00:13:38,713 is something from which only good can come. 261 00:13:38,756 --> 00:13:40,497 In the '50s and '60s, 262 00:13:40,541 --> 00:13:43,413 "Playboy" was instrumental in advancing 263 00:13:43,457 --> 00:13:45,807 the First Amendment and freedom of speech. 264 00:13:45,850 --> 00:13:48,984 And the magazine was able to pursue issues 265 00:13:49,028 --> 00:13:51,117 and social concerns 266 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,555 that just weren't being addressed in American society. 267 00:13:54,598 --> 00:13:56,948 Look at civil rights. 268 00:13:56,992 --> 00:13:58,907 I knew all along 269 00:13:58,950 --> 00:14:00,450 that Hef was a champion of civil rights, 270 00:14:00,474 --> 00:14:02,824 one, because I read the magazine, 271 00:14:02,867 --> 00:14:04,695 so I saw some of the people 272 00:14:04,739 --> 00:14:06,480 that he had done articles with, 273 00:14:06,523 --> 00:14:09,135 including Malcolm X. 274 00:14:09,178 --> 00:14:10,832 Then there were the Playboy Clubs. 275 00:14:10,875 --> 00:14:14,270 So the first Playboy Club opened in 1960, 276 00:14:14,314 --> 00:14:16,838 which was, of course, a time of 277 00:14:16,881 --> 00:14:18,796 tremendous racial segregation in this country. 278 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,627 Hef did not believe in segregation. He didn't. 279 00:14:23,671 --> 00:14:26,152 At the Playboy Clubs, there were Black Bunnies, 280 00:14:26,195 --> 00:14:27,979 there were Black general managers. 281 00:14:28,023 --> 00:14:30,243 This was the way it was. 282 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:32,375 Hi, and welcome to "Playboy's Penthouse." 283 00:14:32,419 --> 00:14:34,136 Sammy Davis Jr. will be here in a little while. 284 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,728 "Playboy's Penthouse" aired in 1959. 285 00:14:37,772 --> 00:14:40,644 There were very strong Jim Crow laws. 286 00:14:40,688 --> 00:14:42,951 Whites were not allowed to mingle with Blacks 287 00:14:42,994 --> 00:14:44,735 and vice versa. 288 00:14:44,779 --> 00:14:49,697 And yet this Hugh Hefner had the audacity 289 00:14:49,740 --> 00:14:51,699 to let Blacks come on to his television show 290 00:14:51,742 --> 00:14:54,963 and not just sing and be whisked away. 291 00:14:55,006 --> 00:14:56,617 How long have you been singing, Tina? 292 00:14:56,660 --> 00:14:59,750 Well, personally, I've been singing for nine years. 293 00:14:59,794 --> 00:15:03,537 No, he set an egalitarian atmosphere 294 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:06,583 where Blacks could come and mingle. 295 00:15:06,627 --> 00:15:10,631 Who else was doing that but Hugh Hefner? 296 00:15:12,285 --> 00:15:14,156 As a child, I definitely felt 297 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,811 that message of equality at the Mansion. 298 00:15:16,854 --> 00:15:20,119 There was always an air of acceptance. 299 00:15:20,162 --> 00:15:22,947 Oh, my God. These are like the disco parties 300 00:15:22,991 --> 00:15:24,297 in the foyer, 301 00:15:24,340 --> 00:15:28,692 where I used to watch as a kid on the banister. 302 00:15:28,736 --> 00:15:31,608 When I was around 10 or 11 303 00:15:31,652 --> 00:15:34,959 and I had my own bedroom there, 304 00:15:35,003 --> 00:15:38,485 at night, I would hear loud music, 305 00:15:38,528 --> 00:15:43,925 and I would hear everyone down below partying and having fun. 306 00:15:43,968 --> 00:15:47,972 I would sneak out my bedroom door and down the hallway 307 00:15:48,016 --> 00:15:51,585 and hide behind the banister and look below. 308 00:15:54,979 --> 00:15:58,069 I would see all these Playmates 309 00:15:58,113 --> 00:16:00,246 and women dressed in these beautiful gowns 310 00:16:00,289 --> 00:16:02,335 and sparkly outfits. 311 00:16:03,988 --> 00:16:06,426 And I just couldn't wait to be able to be older 312 00:16:06,469 --> 00:16:09,298 and be down there at the parties with them. 313 00:16:17,654 --> 00:16:19,874 I'd always heard from a young age 314 00:16:19,917 --> 00:16:22,703 that Hef was someone that was this big, 315 00:16:22,746 --> 00:16:24,618 you know, feminist advocate 316 00:16:24,661 --> 00:16:27,273 and an advocate for women's rights. 317 00:16:27,316 --> 00:16:30,798 I think the primary aims of women's lib, 318 00:16:30,841 --> 00:16:34,062 the part that do not get the publicity 319 00:16:34,105 --> 00:16:35,933 and the TV and newspapers 320 00:16:35,977 --> 00:16:38,284 are things that "Playboy" endorses 321 00:16:38,327 --> 00:16:42,026 and has worked for over the years. 322 00:16:42,070 --> 00:16:45,247 He used to say, "Even nice girls like sex. 323 00:16:45,291 --> 00:16:48,685 They're allowed to like sex." 324 00:16:48,729 --> 00:16:51,035 As a little kid, I was buying it that 325 00:16:51,079 --> 00:16:54,169 these women were empowered and walking around naked 326 00:16:54,213 --> 00:16:55,451 and felt good about their bodies 327 00:16:55,475 --> 00:16:57,259 and the feminists simply didn't get it. 328 00:16:57,303 --> 00:16:59,261 Hugh Hefner is my enemy. 329 00:17:01,045 --> 00:17:03,483 With "Playboy," there's this entire conflict over, 330 00:17:03,526 --> 00:17:05,833 "Are the women expressing themselves freely 331 00:17:05,876 --> 00:17:08,575 or are they being exploited?" 332 00:17:08,618 --> 00:17:12,753 As time went on, I saw some of the inconsistencies. 333 00:17:12,796 --> 00:17:15,495 I saw just all the tremendous hypocrisy. 334 00:17:21,588 --> 00:17:23,416 Mr. Hefner, 335 00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:26,332 you were picketed tonight from Women's Liberation, 336 00:17:26,375 --> 00:17:27,898 and they say that "Playboy" magazine 337 00:17:27,942 --> 00:17:30,858 and this contest distort the role of womanhood. 338 00:17:30,901 --> 00:17:32,468 What's your response to that? 339 00:17:32,512 --> 00:17:34,470 We need more love and more beauty in the world 340 00:17:34,514 --> 00:17:37,430 that already has too much hate and ugliness in it. 341 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:41,129 I was surprised when, in the '70s, 342 00:17:41,172 --> 00:17:43,479 the feminists were really attacking Hef. 343 00:17:43,523 --> 00:17:45,414 From the point of view of like Hefner, my father, 344 00:17:45,438 --> 00:17:47,962 and the inner circle of the boys club, 345 00:17:48,005 --> 00:17:49,722 they were feeling as if they were being attacked 346 00:17:49,746 --> 00:17:51,313 for absolutely no reason, 347 00:17:51,357 --> 00:17:54,142 that there was a witch hunt going on against them. 348 00:17:54,185 --> 00:17:56,318 There's something wrong when an attractive girl 349 00:17:56,362 --> 00:17:58,364 can make more money as a Playboy Bunny 350 00:17:58,407 --> 00:18:00,540 or a cover girl than anything else. 351 00:18:04,195 --> 00:18:06,415 "Playboy's" greatest critics throughout its history 352 00:18:06,459 --> 00:18:10,332 have been members of the moral rights. 353 00:18:10,376 --> 00:18:12,813 And, you know, what Hugh Hefner would have described 354 00:18:12,856 --> 00:18:14,597 as "radical feminists." 355 00:18:14,641 --> 00:18:17,774 They opposed the objectification of women 356 00:18:17,818 --> 00:18:20,777 that was central to "Playboy's" existence. 357 00:18:20,821 --> 00:18:23,302 I'm more in sympathy than perhaps, you know, 358 00:18:23,345 --> 00:18:24,433 the girls realize with... 359 00:18:24,477 --> 00:18:25,782 - Women. - Women. 360 00:18:25,826 --> 00:18:27,175 - I'm sorry. - Yes, I'm 35. 361 00:18:27,218 --> 00:18:28,611 Than the ladies realize. 362 00:18:28,655 --> 00:18:31,527 I use girls referring to women of all ages. 363 00:18:31,571 --> 00:18:34,095 - You should stop. - You want to be called a boy? 364 00:18:34,138 --> 00:18:36,227 - Would you like to... - Oh, I see. Okay. 365 00:18:40,144 --> 00:18:43,147 I'd always felt it was complimentary, but... 366 00:18:43,191 --> 00:18:45,038 That's because your magazine is an image of women 367 00:18:45,062 --> 00:18:47,326 at an arrested development. 368 00:18:47,369 --> 00:18:50,067 Well, let me... 369 00:18:50,111 --> 00:18:53,636 On "The Dick Cavett Show," Hefner was there. 370 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,728 And there was a woman, she was very, very angry and saying, 371 00:18:58,772 --> 00:19:00,904 "How could you do this to women? 372 00:19:00,948 --> 00:19:04,995 How could you objectify women in such a demeaning manner?" 373 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:11,045 You know, and he just sat there just as cool as ice. 374 00:19:11,088 --> 00:19:13,395 Hefner was classy. 375 00:19:13,439 --> 00:19:17,268 Hefner was educated and refined. 376 00:19:17,312 --> 00:19:21,664 So for me to align myself with "Playboy" magazine, 377 00:19:21,708 --> 00:19:24,537 it was okay. 378 00:19:25,973 --> 00:19:32,371 I was Miss January 1973. My photos were gorgeous. 379 00:19:32,414 --> 00:19:35,548 And then I became director of Playmate Promotions. 380 00:19:37,201 --> 00:19:38,681 At that point in time, 381 00:19:38,725 --> 00:19:41,249 I wasn't interested in marriage. 382 00:19:41,292 --> 00:19:44,034 But I was interested in Playboy Enterprises, 383 00:19:44,078 --> 00:19:46,994 because women were taking their power. 384 00:19:47,037 --> 00:19:49,692 They were in command of themselves. 385 00:19:49,736 --> 00:19:54,958 So I thought, "Well, wow! wow! That's good to me." 386 00:19:55,002 --> 00:19:57,570 And it went along with the sexual revolution 387 00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:59,093 that was going on. 388 00:19:59,136 --> 00:20:02,488 I had a lot of power, a lot of freedom. 389 00:20:02,531 --> 00:20:05,142 It was freedom, you know? 390 00:20:05,186 --> 00:20:08,189 My Bunny name was Bunny Jaki. 391 00:20:08,232 --> 00:20:13,629 And I started working at Playboy in 1967 392 00:20:13,673 --> 00:20:16,197 for 11 1/2 years. 393 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,287 We definitely got paid well. 394 00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:22,812 And I bought a car, and I lived the way I wanted to. 395 00:20:22,856 --> 00:20:28,992 We had more freedom than as a secretary or as a teacher. 396 00:20:29,036 --> 00:20:31,908 It's 1981. I'm in Chicago as the Bunny Mother. 397 00:20:31,952 --> 00:20:34,302 I had 70 Bunnies underneath me. 398 00:20:34,345 --> 00:20:37,261 We did a lot of things to help rise these girls up. 399 00:20:37,305 --> 00:20:40,569 And it was exciting to me because I knew 400 00:20:40,613 --> 00:20:43,006 that I could move up the ladder in corporate. 401 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:46,053 There were oftentimes when I would be interviewed 402 00:20:46,096 --> 00:20:48,185 by a strong feminist. 403 00:20:48,229 --> 00:20:50,361 And she would come at me really hard. 404 00:20:50,405 --> 00:20:52,407 And I would just, "Mm-hmm. Yeah." 405 00:20:52,451 --> 00:20:55,715 And I would answer and let them know 406 00:20:55,758 --> 00:20:59,501 that I was definitely in charge of my life 407 00:20:59,545 --> 00:21:01,851 and this was my choice. 408 00:21:01,895 --> 00:21:05,115 Now, of course, it came at a cost. 409 00:21:05,159 --> 00:21:09,946 But at that moment in time, I didn't know about that. 410 00:21:15,212 --> 00:21:17,693 I didn't realize what was going on at the time, 411 00:21:17,737 --> 00:21:21,305 that "Playboy" really wasn't about freedom of expression. 412 00:21:21,349 --> 00:21:24,352 This wasn't about, like, female empowerment. 413 00:21:24,395 --> 00:21:26,572 This was something that was much deeper, 414 00:21:26,615 --> 00:21:29,575 that was much more sinister. 415 00:21:29,618 --> 00:21:32,229 At the Mansion, back in like the '70s 416 00:21:32,273 --> 00:21:36,277 and the early '80s, it was the women and the men. 417 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,455 The girls weren't allowed to hang out with the men. 418 00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:43,502 But I was allowed to sit with them. 419 00:21:43,545 --> 00:21:45,852 And I'd always see the men looking at different 420 00:21:45,895 --> 00:21:50,770 negatives of girls from different shoots. 421 00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:55,818 They would sort of quiz me on how to critique a girl 422 00:21:55,862 --> 00:21:58,560 that they would consider up to their standards. 423 00:21:58,604 --> 00:22:02,346 And so I would rattle off, you know, what I knew 424 00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:05,567 that they were looking for, whether it was a size D, 425 00:22:05,611 --> 00:22:08,222 which doctor would do the boob job, 426 00:22:08,265 --> 00:22:10,703 who would do the nose job, 427 00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,532 what their entire physique should look like, 428 00:22:13,575 --> 00:22:15,577 and what size everything should be. 429 00:22:15,621 --> 00:22:18,667 For sure, it was always size zero. 430 00:22:18,711 --> 00:22:22,889 I was trained how to view women 431 00:22:22,932 --> 00:22:25,544 in the way that they did... 432 00:22:25,587 --> 00:22:28,372 As commodities. 433 00:22:28,416 --> 00:22:30,418 I mean, my father used to tell me that I should, 434 00:22:30,461 --> 00:22:32,899 you know, I had to watch it 'cause... you know, 435 00:22:32,942 --> 00:22:35,205 'cause I could like gain weight in my hips or... 436 00:22:35,249 --> 00:22:37,468 He would definitely, like, at a young age, 437 00:22:37,512 --> 00:22:41,995 you know, go over our bodies with us, with my sister and I. 438 00:22:42,038 --> 00:22:44,127 That was of course nerve-racking 439 00:22:44,171 --> 00:22:46,565 'cause I don't think either one of us felt like 440 00:22:46,608 --> 00:22:51,091 we measured up to what was considered to be acceptable. 441 00:22:52,701 --> 00:22:55,574 They even pushed me... I got my own surgery. 442 00:22:57,706 --> 00:22:59,708 15. 443 00:22:59,752 --> 00:23:01,884 It was just awful. 444 00:23:06,628 --> 00:23:08,151 As I got older, 445 00:23:08,195 --> 00:23:10,545 I would creep out of my bedroom more and more. 446 00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:12,678 I was just very curious 447 00:23:12,721 --> 00:23:15,724 what was happening in all the bedrooms down the hall. 448 00:23:15,768 --> 00:23:18,858 And I would see some of these girls 449 00:23:18,901 --> 00:23:24,167 doing things that I didn't recognize. 450 00:23:24,211 --> 00:23:27,606 I would see them naked with men all around them 451 00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:29,782 and I would see them on the floor on all fours 452 00:23:29,825 --> 00:23:32,088 and they were on drugs. 453 00:23:32,132 --> 00:23:35,483 And it... it just really... it scared me. 454 00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:39,487 The men were laughing. 455 00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:44,318 And I just remembered thinking I never want to be 456 00:23:44,361 --> 00:23:48,539 like these girls running around like they're animals. 457 00:23:48,583 --> 00:23:50,803 I just... I never want to be that. 458 00:23:50,846 --> 00:23:54,502 This wasn't about empowerment of women. 459 00:23:54,545 --> 00:23:57,592 It was the breaking down of a woman. 460 00:24:07,689 --> 00:24:10,170 Cody. 461 00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:15,436 As a teenager, I started to notice 462 00:24:15,479 --> 00:24:16,785 that all the Playmates 463 00:24:16,829 --> 00:24:18,110 and Hefner's different girlfriends 464 00:24:18,134 --> 00:24:20,528 were very open with their sexuality. 465 00:24:20,571 --> 00:24:24,663 And there was something about it that drew me in. 466 00:24:24,706 --> 00:24:28,188 It was a very open environment 467 00:24:28,231 --> 00:24:32,845 of where love and sex had very blurred lines. 468 00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:35,804 So if you love someone, 469 00:24:35,848 --> 00:24:38,720 it was you were supposed to be more intimate with them, 470 00:24:38,764 --> 00:24:41,375 I think, sexually. 471 00:24:41,418 --> 00:24:44,117 You know, Hef always would kiss... which many people know, 472 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,032 he would kiss with sort of his mouth open 473 00:24:46,075 --> 00:24:49,470 in sort of like a French kiss kind of a way. 474 00:24:49,513 --> 00:24:51,385 And I always thought it was sort of strange 475 00:24:51,428 --> 00:24:52,995 that, you know, someone that was sort of 476 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,563 was like my uncle would kiss like that. 477 00:24:55,606 --> 00:24:57,347 But then my father told me 478 00:24:57,391 --> 00:25:00,089 that that's what people do when they love each other. 479 00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:03,223 I think you're gonna have very moral relationships 480 00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:05,965 with more than one person at the same time 481 00:25:06,008 --> 00:25:07,880 or with a sequence of... 482 00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:12,188 Or continuing series of relationships. 483 00:25:12,232 --> 00:25:14,234 Why was there so many girls? 484 00:25:14,277 --> 00:25:16,889 Hef was the playboy of the Western world. 485 00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:18,194 Why should he stop at one 486 00:25:18,238 --> 00:25:22,416 when he could have as many as he did? 487 00:25:22,459 --> 00:25:25,114 He would say, "I want to attract the young ladies 488 00:25:25,158 --> 00:25:28,552 "who want to run with me in my life. 489 00:25:28,596 --> 00:25:31,164 I'm not gonna run with them in their life." 490 00:25:33,557 --> 00:25:36,604 Back in the late '70s, there was always 491 00:25:36,647 --> 00:25:40,216 at least three to four main girlfriends. 492 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:43,002 There was always one that was the special one. 493 00:25:43,045 --> 00:25:45,831 This is what they called them. 494 00:25:45,874 --> 00:25:48,703 And those other girls 495 00:25:48,747 --> 00:25:52,272 were always wanting to be that special one. 496 00:25:52,315 --> 00:25:54,013 Tell me about the real Hugh Hefner, 497 00:25:54,056 --> 00:25:55,884 the one the rest of us don't know. 498 00:25:55,928 --> 00:26:00,497 He's very sensitive. He's very caring and giving. 499 00:26:00,541 --> 00:26:03,370 When I was 15, I fell in love 500 00:26:03,413 --> 00:26:05,502 with one of Hugh Hefner's main girlfriends. 501 00:26:05,546 --> 00:26:07,287 I'm gonna call her Kendall. 502 00:26:07,330 --> 00:26:12,596 I fell very hard because I was so young. 503 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,599 You know, Jennifer was incredibly infatuated 504 00:26:15,643 --> 00:26:18,515 with, uh, with Mr. Hefner's girlfriend. 505 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:20,779 I mean, really infatuated with her. 506 00:26:20,822 --> 00:26:23,825 She was very sweet, very innocent. 507 00:26:23,869 --> 00:26:27,916 You know, she was innocent. She was 15 or 16 years old. 508 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,311 We, over time, became very close 509 00:26:31,354 --> 00:26:34,183 because she was someone who ran away very young. 510 00:26:34,227 --> 00:26:38,797 And because my father had pulled me away from my mother, 511 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,975 I longed for that affection that only a woman could give. 512 00:26:43,018 --> 00:26:47,240 And Kendall was very affectionate. 513 00:26:48,981 --> 00:26:51,810 I mean, one night, she ordered like daiquiris. 514 00:26:51,853 --> 00:26:55,335 And one thing led to another. 515 00:26:55,378 --> 00:26:59,513 And I think she thought that I had been with a girl before. 516 00:26:59,556 --> 00:27:03,909 It really took away the loneliness at that time. 517 00:27:03,952 --> 00:27:07,216 I served Mr. Hefner's girlfriend 518 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:09,958 and Jennifer drinks in bed. 519 00:27:10,002 --> 00:27:12,308 I said, "Here are your drinks, ladies." 520 00:27:12,352 --> 00:27:13,764 I was very professional. And they said, 521 00:27:13,788 --> 00:27:17,748 "Mitch, you know, you can say hello, it's okay." 522 00:27:17,792 --> 00:27:21,840 And I said, "I'm gonna go back downstairs, ladies. Thank you." 523 00:27:21,883 --> 00:27:25,017 The people that knew knew that Jennifer was underage. 524 00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:26,932 I mean, I wanted to say something to her. 525 00:27:26,975 --> 00:27:29,673 But I... I held back. 526 00:27:29,717 --> 00:27:32,372 It was something that I didn't... I just didn't push. 527 00:27:32,415 --> 00:27:34,263 I didn't really think there was anything necessarily wrong 528 00:27:34,287 --> 00:27:36,680 with what I did. 529 00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:39,509 You know, from my father and Hefner's point of view, 530 00:27:39,553 --> 00:27:42,382 they really didn't care about my having the affair 531 00:27:42,425 --> 00:27:44,732 with his girlfriend. 532 00:27:44,775 --> 00:27:46,449 He knew about the affair from the beginning. 533 00:27:46,473 --> 00:27:48,257 I mean, there's cameras everywhere. 534 00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:49,887 A lot of the cameras, you didn't even know 535 00:27:49,911 --> 00:27:51,565 they were there, but they were there. 536 00:27:51,608 --> 00:27:54,437 And also security was carrying cameras on their jackets. 537 00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:57,614 So there's eyes everywhere. 538 00:27:57,658 --> 00:28:01,923 When I was 17, I was called to Hef's room. 539 00:28:01,967 --> 00:28:05,187 I thought he was gonna confront me about the affair. 540 00:28:05,231 --> 00:28:08,190 I was just... I wanted to see Kendall so badly. 541 00:28:08,234 --> 00:28:10,540 And she said the only way we could see each other 542 00:28:10,584 --> 00:28:12,847 is if you come to Hef's room, Hef said. 543 00:28:15,415 --> 00:28:18,157 One of her friends, who's also a Playmate, 544 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,812 walked me to his door. 545 00:28:21,856 --> 00:28:23,776 And then she stopped me and she's like, you know, 546 00:28:23,814 --> 00:28:26,643 "I just want to tell you that you don't have to do anything 547 00:28:26,687 --> 00:28:28,994 that you don't want to do." 548 00:28:29,037 --> 00:28:30,691 I was like, "What do you mean?" 549 00:28:30,734 --> 00:28:34,869 And then I went in and then Hef ordered drinks. 550 00:28:34,913 --> 00:28:37,654 And then we were just sitting there. 551 00:28:37,698 --> 00:28:42,007 And the energy shifted in the room, 552 00:28:42,050 --> 00:28:46,098 and I started feeling uncomfortable. 553 00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:49,928 I was still immature emotionally, 554 00:28:49,971 --> 00:28:53,670 even though I'd been exposed to so many things. 555 00:28:53,714 --> 00:28:56,499 So when I went in the room, 556 00:28:56,543 --> 00:28:59,024 and he and Kendall were on the bed. 557 00:28:59,067 --> 00:29:01,330 And I just thought it was fun, at first. 558 00:29:01,374 --> 00:29:06,205 I didn't really realize what was about to happen. 559 00:29:06,248 --> 00:29:10,383 I felt like, in that moment, Hefner crossed a boundary 560 00:29:10,426 --> 00:29:12,211 because he'd always looked at me 561 00:29:12,254 --> 00:29:15,040 and treated me like I was his daughter. 562 00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:19,914 And here I was in his room 563 00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:23,178 feeling this uncomfortable energy 564 00:29:23,222 --> 00:29:26,834 that I was no longer being looked at as a daughter. 565 00:29:28,792 --> 00:29:32,666 And then Kendall started crying. 566 00:29:32,709 --> 00:29:35,538 And then she ran into the bathroom. 567 00:29:35,582 --> 00:29:39,716 And then he said, "Well, now we're not gonna do anything 568 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,024 'cause she's crying or whatever." 569 00:29:43,068 --> 00:29:46,941 And I was like, "Yeah." And my dad's down the hall. 570 00:29:46,985 --> 00:29:49,639 And he's like, you know, "We're all family here." 571 00:29:49,683 --> 00:29:52,512 And then I left and went back to my room. 572 00:29:52,555 --> 00:29:55,863 I don't think that she knew 573 00:29:55,906 --> 00:29:57,473 what was really going on up there 574 00:29:57,517 --> 00:30:00,085 until she actually experienced being up there. 575 00:30:00,128 --> 00:30:01,825 And she got a... she got, 576 00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:04,045 you know, a crash course in doing that. 577 00:30:04,089 --> 00:30:07,570 We're at the Playboy Mansion, this is... this is... this is real, 578 00:30:07,614 --> 00:30:09,703 this is some real 579 00:30:19,713 --> 00:30:22,107 All right, good boy. 580 00:30:25,197 --> 00:30:28,243 Growing up, it's like I never wanted to go 581 00:30:28,287 --> 00:30:33,683 against what my father or Hef or the environment taught me 582 00:30:33,727 --> 00:30:39,385 was actually something that was normal, I guess. 583 00:30:39,428 --> 00:30:41,865 When I got to college 584 00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:45,521 and I started to integrate into society, 585 00:30:45,565 --> 00:30:48,002 I didn't understand how these rules 586 00:30:48,046 --> 00:30:50,135 that I had learned from a very young age 587 00:30:50,178 --> 00:30:52,615 had nothing to do with the outside world. 588 00:30:52,659 --> 00:30:55,618 You know, I didn't really talk about it a lot with people. 589 00:30:55,662 --> 00:31:00,884 So writing it down was a way for me to express myself. 590 00:31:00,928 --> 00:31:02,288 Joining me now is Jennifer Saginor. 591 00:31:02,321 --> 00:31:04,323 She grew up inside the Playboy Mansion 592 00:31:04,366 --> 00:31:06,803 and is the author of the book "Playground." 593 00:31:06,847 --> 00:31:09,415 "Playground" was something that I wrote about 594 00:31:09,458 --> 00:31:12,722 to sort of work out out my own issues 595 00:31:12,766 --> 00:31:17,118 of what I had seen and experienced. 596 00:31:17,162 --> 00:31:21,601 I was always taught that it was okay to speak your mind. 597 00:31:23,603 --> 00:31:28,912 Yet I also knew that a certain level of loyalty 598 00:31:28,956 --> 00:31:33,134 went along with belonging into this inner circle. 599 00:31:33,178 --> 00:31:36,006 There was some level of fear 600 00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:37,486 that there would be repercussions 601 00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:39,967 for breaking that loyalty. 602 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:43,884 And so I went out of my way to betray Hef 603 00:31:43,927 --> 00:31:47,148 in a very, very positive light, 604 00:31:47,192 --> 00:31:49,411 as someone who was a father figure, 605 00:31:49,455 --> 00:31:53,198 who I did look up to for many, many years. 606 00:31:53,241 --> 00:31:55,809 When my book came out, 607 00:31:55,852 --> 00:31:58,986 I did a couple of interviews in Los Angeles. 608 00:31:59,029 --> 00:32:01,249 And Hef called me and he said, 609 00:32:01,293 --> 00:32:04,296 "Congratulations, I heard that you wrote a book, 610 00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:06,124 And I'm so proud of you." 611 00:32:06,167 --> 00:32:07,753 He said, "But listen, if you could just do me a favor 612 00:32:07,777 --> 00:32:10,128 and not tell anybody 613 00:32:10,171 --> 00:32:13,435 that I knew about your affair with Kendall." 614 00:32:13,479 --> 00:32:15,065 He's like, "I would just really appreciate 615 00:32:15,089 --> 00:32:16,699 if we just kept that between us." 616 00:32:16,743 --> 00:32:18,440 He didn't want people knowing 617 00:32:18,484 --> 00:32:22,096 that a minor had an affair on his property. 618 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:26,231 And I was like, "Sure. You know, no problem." 619 00:32:26,274 --> 00:32:28,233 He said, "Could you fax over a list 620 00:32:28,276 --> 00:32:33,151 of your next interviews?" And I said, "Sure. Of course." 621 00:32:33,194 --> 00:32:37,285 I went to New York, and then literally, in succession, 622 00:32:37,329 --> 00:32:39,766 the interviews were canceled, like, one by one. 623 00:32:39,809 --> 00:32:42,508 It was like something out of a mafia movie. 624 00:32:46,251 --> 00:32:47,817 Well, I know what happened. 625 00:32:47,861 --> 00:32:52,213 I know that he... that he had someone in his office call 626 00:32:52,257 --> 00:32:56,522 and contact those people and stop those interviews. 627 00:33:00,613 --> 00:33:02,528 I was really crushed 628 00:33:02,571 --> 00:33:08,229 'cause I no longer could, you know, speak my truth. 629 00:33:08,273 --> 00:33:10,884 It was just so hypocritical 630 00:33:10,927 --> 00:33:13,191 because freedom of speech and the First Amendment 631 00:33:13,234 --> 00:33:15,193 had been something that he was an advocate for 632 00:33:15,236 --> 00:33:18,021 his entire adult life. 633 00:33:18,065 --> 00:33:20,807 And that made me, you know, 634 00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:22,809 question who I thought my father was 635 00:33:22,852 --> 00:33:24,724 and who I thought Hef was. 636 00:33:24,767 --> 00:33:28,902 And I really thought these men were larger than life. 637 00:33:28,945 --> 00:33:31,252 They knew everybody, they were so well connected, 638 00:33:31,296 --> 00:33:36,039 and just, you know, really just enlightened beings. 639 00:33:36,083 --> 00:33:40,087 And I realized that this was something much bigger 640 00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:45,919 that he didn't want people to know what was really going on. 641 00:33:48,182 --> 00:33:50,663 When I was an editorial assistant 642 00:33:50,706 --> 00:33:52,708 working for the articles editor, 643 00:33:52,752 --> 00:33:55,798 different books would get vetted by him. 644 00:33:55,842 --> 00:33:58,105 He was looking for things in those books 645 00:33:58,148 --> 00:34:03,023 that would hurt Hefner's reputation. 646 00:34:03,066 --> 00:34:05,330 I read everything that came through. 647 00:34:05,373 --> 00:34:07,636 There's some things that I read about 648 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,857 that never saw the light of day. 649 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:12,815 Over time, I realized 650 00:34:12,859 --> 00:34:16,036 I was just one of the many people who were silenced. 651 00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:22,869 I worked in six clubs. Every club had a scandal. 652 00:34:22,912 --> 00:34:25,480 At least one if not many more. 653 00:34:25,524 --> 00:34:30,572 I had to keep my mouth closed if I wanted to keep my job. 654 00:34:30,616 --> 00:34:32,835 There's a lot of collateral damage 655 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:36,448 within the Playboy organization... a lot. 656 00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:38,450 And the majority of the collateral damage 657 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:41,801 is towards women. 658 00:34:43,803 --> 00:34:47,154 Things were done to shush people up, 659 00:34:47,197 --> 00:34:50,200 to get them out of the way. 660 00:34:50,244 --> 00:34:54,074 He wasn't worried about the local L.A. cops. 661 00:34:54,117 --> 00:34:57,991 Many of these police worked for him as security guards. 662 00:34:58,034 --> 00:34:59,795 Most of the security officers that were hired 663 00:34:59,819 --> 00:35:02,038 were ex-cops. 664 00:35:02,082 --> 00:35:03,431 Some of them were L.A. cops. 665 00:35:03,475 --> 00:35:04,887 Some of them were Beverly Hills cops. 666 00:35:04,911 --> 00:35:06,391 Some of them were detectives. 667 00:35:06,434 --> 00:35:08,697 So it was very... it was very serious. 668 00:35:08,741 --> 00:35:11,396 You gotta protect the Mansion, you gotta protect, you know, 669 00:35:11,439 --> 00:35:13,180 especially, number one, Mr. Hefner. 670 00:35:15,225 --> 00:35:18,228 A lot of things were just taken care of in his world. 671 00:35:18,272 --> 00:35:20,970 The thing is he had tapes on everybody. 672 00:35:21,014 --> 00:35:24,539 I have extensive electronic equipment in the house, 673 00:35:24,583 --> 00:35:26,541 which includes videotape equipment. 674 00:35:26,585 --> 00:35:29,239 And that does include cameras so that 675 00:35:29,283 --> 00:35:31,546 if I want to shoot pictures of anything, I can, yes. 676 00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:34,027 - Do you? - Do I shoot pictures? 677 00:35:34,070 --> 00:35:37,160 I mean, what is it doing in your bedroom? 678 00:35:37,204 --> 00:35:38,771 Sometimes things happen in the bedroom 679 00:35:38,814 --> 00:35:41,121 that I'd like to take... - You're being coy. 680 00:35:41,164 --> 00:35:45,386 Prim, I might add. - We're on television. 681 00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:49,434 Every room, even outside on the properties, 682 00:35:49,477 --> 00:35:54,830 every place had microphones and little cameras. 683 00:35:54,874 --> 00:35:58,486 Many of the girls wanted to tell you their problems, 684 00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:02,055 and that made us all very nervous. 685 00:36:02,098 --> 00:36:03,448 We had to be very careful 686 00:36:03,491 --> 00:36:06,668 because we know we were being monitored. 687 00:36:08,148 --> 00:36:12,674 He lets the media into all these parties on purpose 688 00:36:12,718 --> 00:36:14,894 because usually they end up doing something 689 00:36:14,937 --> 00:36:16,983 they'll regret, 690 00:36:17,026 --> 00:36:20,421 and he's got that on them, so down the road, 691 00:36:20,465 --> 00:36:23,990 if anything was gonna come out negative about him, 692 00:36:24,033 --> 00:36:27,080 he'd just say, "I don't think so. 693 00:36:27,123 --> 00:36:29,038 Remember this?" 694 00:36:29,082 --> 00:36:31,258 And then all of a sudden it goes away. 695 00:36:31,301 --> 00:36:34,435 It was cult-like. 696 00:36:34,479 --> 00:36:37,569 The women had been groomed 697 00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:40,876 and led to believe they were part of this family. 698 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,140 And he really did believe he owned these women. 699 00:36:44,184 --> 00:36:48,884 We had Playmates that overdosed. 700 00:36:48,928 --> 00:36:52,279 There were Playmates that committed suicide. 701 00:36:53,585 --> 00:36:56,762 I really thought that if I wrote a book, 702 00:36:56,805 --> 00:36:59,591 maybe all of this stuff would go away, 703 00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:02,071 maybe it would stop. 704 00:37:03,333 --> 00:37:08,774 Hefner even sent someone to buy me off. 705 00:37:08,817 --> 00:37:13,996 When you get someone that powerful to be that fearful, 706 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,912 anything could happen. Anything. 707 00:37:16,956 --> 00:37:21,439 I had a bodyguard. 708 00:37:21,482 --> 00:37:24,572 I was that afraid. 709 00:37:25,791 --> 00:37:27,706 I got threatened. 710 00:37:27,749 --> 00:37:29,882 "You're not gonna put this book out. 711 00:37:29,925 --> 00:37:32,885 "We can find you anywhere you go. 712 00:37:32,928 --> 00:37:36,149 You can't hide from us." It was very frightening. 713 00:37:47,290 --> 00:37:50,859 My life itself is just an invention. 714 00:37:50,903 --> 00:37:53,775 It's just a very clever marketing ploy 715 00:37:53,819 --> 00:37:56,604 that happens to work out very well for me and the company. 716 00:37:56,648 --> 00:37:58,127 For the author. 717 00:38:00,869 --> 00:38:04,786 Everybody knew that Hefner was a very powerful person. 718 00:38:04,830 --> 00:38:09,008 No one believed anything that a young girl would say 719 00:38:09,051 --> 00:38:11,750 because you were a nobody. 720 00:38:11,793 --> 00:38:13,839 And they were the big somebodies with money, 721 00:38:13,882 --> 00:38:18,191 with lawyers, and you were shut down. 722 00:38:18,234 --> 00:38:19,845 We would tell these stories 40 years ago 723 00:38:19,888 --> 00:38:21,629 and people didn't believe it. 724 00:38:21,673 --> 00:38:26,808 Bill Cosby was there. Oh, he's America's Dad. 725 00:38:26,852 --> 00:38:31,900 I mean, there's just... no one would believe those women. 726 00:38:31,944 --> 00:38:35,208 For years. 727 00:38:35,251 --> 00:38:39,299 It was a beautiful world, and to him, beautiful girls, 728 00:38:39,342 --> 00:38:43,521 beautiful people, beautiful food, beautiful everything. 729 00:38:43,564 --> 00:38:47,612 But it... it looked that way, but it was ugly. 730 00:38:47,655 --> 00:38:50,223 It was really ugly. 731 00:38:50,266 --> 00:38:53,661 This was built to look like paradise. 732 00:38:53,705 --> 00:38:56,795 But in reality, paradise is not all it's made out to be. 733 00:38:56,838 --> 00:39:00,450 The LAPD's investigating a possible sexual assault 734 00:39:00,494 --> 00:39:02,409 this weekend at the Playboy Mansion, 735 00:39:02,452 --> 00:39:04,716 home of hedonism and Hugh Hefner. 736 00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:08,546 I have no doubt that terrible things happened at the Mansion. 737 00:39:08,589 --> 00:39:09,851 Of course, it did. 738 00:39:09,895 --> 00:39:12,680 It would be naive to say it didn't. 739 00:39:12,724 --> 00:39:16,075 But I think Hefner would have resented 740 00:39:16,118 --> 00:39:17,816 being associated with it. 741 00:39:17,859 --> 00:39:21,341 I think he would say he was the cause of the good things 742 00:39:21,384 --> 00:39:23,299 and then people took it too far. 743 00:39:23,343 --> 00:39:24,823 There was various scandals 744 00:39:24,866 --> 00:39:28,000 associated with "Playboy" over the years. 745 00:39:28,043 --> 00:39:30,263 There was Bobbie Arnstein's suicide. 746 00:39:35,834 --> 00:39:38,880 There was Dorothy Stratten's murder. 747 00:39:38,924 --> 00:39:44,103 Her death was just so sad and devastating and shocking. 748 00:39:44,146 --> 00:39:49,238 There were other girls and models and Playmates who died, 749 00:39:49,282 --> 00:39:52,328 but they just were things that you never talked about. 750 00:39:52,372 --> 00:39:54,722 All of these scandals and whispers 751 00:39:54,766 --> 00:39:58,770 about what happened at the Mansion and at Playboy, 752 00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:01,468 Hef remained untouched by any of it. 753 00:40:01,511 --> 00:40:03,905 He was like Teflon. Nothing touched him. 754 00:40:06,865 --> 00:40:08,649 Over time, I started to realize 755 00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:12,131 "Playboy" was run as this big marketing machine 756 00:40:12,174 --> 00:40:14,394 where he was in the center of it, 757 00:40:14,437 --> 00:40:16,701 and if it started to affect poorly on him, 758 00:40:16,744 --> 00:40:20,095 it starts to affect poorly on "Playboy." 759 00:40:21,009 --> 00:40:25,144 This was a very sophisticated structure 760 00:40:25,187 --> 00:40:27,320 within Playboy Enterprises 761 00:40:27,363 --> 00:40:32,107 that his own machinery kept into place. 762 00:40:32,151 --> 00:40:37,243 Everyone had a job to keep Hefner protected. 763 00:40:37,286 --> 00:40:39,637 They wanted to control the narrative. 764 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,292 They wanted to control how people viewed "Playboy" 765 00:40:43,336 --> 00:40:46,426 and how they viewed Hef. 766 00:40:46,469 --> 00:40:48,428 But the people who were really there, 767 00:40:48,471 --> 00:40:50,691 they're the ones who know the real truth. 768 00:40:54,521 --> 00:40:58,699 His legacy should comprise the whole story, 769 00:40:58,743 --> 00:41:03,356 not just part of it that he projected, 770 00:41:03,399 --> 00:41:05,793 not his publicity machine 771 00:41:05,837 --> 00:41:09,754 but from the women who experienced him. 772 00:41:09,797 --> 00:41:13,627 It's time that the illusion is broken. 773 00:41:13,671 --> 00:41:17,370 There was a very dark, dark side of "Playboy" 774 00:41:17,413 --> 00:41:19,459 that nobody wants to talk about 775 00:41:19,502 --> 00:41:22,723 because they want to live in that bubble. 776 00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:24,899 You know, when he passed away three years ago, 777 00:41:24,943 --> 00:41:27,641 I said to Stefan, you know, "Maybe you should revive 778 00:41:27,685 --> 00:41:30,470 the book now that the MeToo movement is here." 779 00:41:30,513 --> 00:41:31,882 When it happened, I thought, you know, 780 00:41:31,906 --> 00:41:34,126 Hefner missed by a month 781 00:41:34,169 --> 00:41:36,606 of being in the same seat as Weinstein 782 00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:39,697 and all those other powerful men in Hollywood. 783 00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:43,570 I'm ready now. I'm empowered. 784 00:41:43,613 --> 00:41:45,920 I'm empowered to tell my story. 785 00:41:45,964 --> 00:41:47,966 I'm not afraid to speak up any longer. 786 00:41:50,316 --> 00:41:51,752 What I want to say to Hefner is 787 00:41:51,796 --> 00:41:55,190 you destroyed a lot of lives. 788 00:41:55,234 --> 00:41:56,931 You were power hungry. 789 00:41:56,975 --> 00:41:59,455 You didn't care about the lives of these women. 790 00:41:59,499 --> 00:42:01,980 You didn't care what happened to these girls. 791 00:42:02,023 --> 00:42:04,069 It was all about what people 792 00:42:04,112 --> 00:42:10,205 perceived about you, Hefner. 793 00:42:10,249 --> 00:42:12,251 And it was all a lie. 794 00:42:39,495 --> 00:42:41,846 Holly was Hef's number one girlfriend. 795 00:42:41,889 --> 00:42:44,631 In about 2013, I started to feel like 796 00:42:44,674 --> 00:42:46,807 I needed to get my story out. 797 00:42:46,851 --> 00:42:50,071 I was one of Hugh Hefner's multiple girlfriends, 798 00:42:50,115 --> 00:42:52,378 and I starred in a show called "The Girls Next Door." 799 00:42:52,421 --> 00:42:54,467 We were three women dating the same man. 800 00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:56,314 Are there rules like, "Can you have boyfriends at all?" 801 00:42:56,338 --> 00:42:58,079 - No. - No. 802 00:42:58,123 --> 00:42:59,622 - You're not allowed to? - Hef is our boyfriend. 803 00:42:59,646 --> 00:43:02,214 There was definitely no, like, romance or seduction. 804 00:43:02,257 --> 00:43:06,914 It was all very mechanical and robotic. 805 00:43:06,958 --> 00:43:10,831 I'd be lying if I said I wasn't traumatized by it. 806 00:43:10,875 --> 00:43:12,572 You had a 9:00 curfew. 807 00:43:12,615 --> 00:43:14,617 You weren't really allowed to leave. 808 00:43:14,661 --> 00:43:17,185 Looking back on my time at Playboy, 809 00:43:17,229 --> 00:43:19,318 it reminds me of a cult. 810 00:43:22,318 --> 00:43:26,318 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 66017

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