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Take one. Mark.
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We're ready.
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All right.
We ready to roll again?
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- How's that?
- Good.
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I just wanted to make
a difference, you know?
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I mean, I'm not doing this
for 15 minutes of fame.
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I mean,
who'd want to throw themselves
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under the train for that?
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It's... I just want it to change
for women and young girls
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to think twice about
what they're doing.
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'Cause there's always
gonna be a guy like Hef
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in the... in the wings.
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Some of these girls
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don't want
to bring up those memories.
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You know, there's a lot
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that don't want to even
talk about it.
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Ready?
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- No.
- No?
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Okay. Okay.
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All right.
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Are you ready?
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I'm ready.
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I don't think we know
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what Hugh Hefner's legacy
is yet, ultimately.
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I don't think the dust
has even settled.
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We have some breaking news
for you tonight.
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Playboy founder Hugh Hefner
has died at the age of 91.
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Hefner changed America
when he introduced
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"Playboy" magazine back in 1953.
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He changed the magazine culture.
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He changed the American sex
culture, if you will.
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But that came
with some controversy.
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Hefner's legacy
is very confusing
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because he sold women
a very seductive package
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about sexual freedom
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and what that means
in our culture.
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And yet, there's a lot
of hypocrisy around that.
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He's like a cipher.
You can make him the devil.
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You can make him
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one of the most important
Americans who ever lived.
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You can say he celebrated women.
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You can say
he was a terrible sexist.
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He is whatever
you want him to be.
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I don't think Hefner
was a super moral individual.
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Hugh Hefner
was a transactional man.
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He was a businessman.
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I think he... I think he
was a monster.
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I could look at him,
and I saw the devil.
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My name is Hugh Hefner.
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I'm editor/publisher
of "Playboy" magazine.
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When Hugh Hefner was just 27,
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he fashioned himself
and "Playboy"
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as the face
of sexual liberation.
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"Playboy" is one of
the most famous
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brand names in the world.
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I would like to be
remembered as somebody
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who played some positive part
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in changing the social,
sexual values of my time.
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I believe that Hef pulled
one over on the whole world.
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The fantasy of "Playboy"
that he created
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did not allow for
the consent of the women.
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When it came to
Hefner's buddies,
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you had to keep
those secrets quiet.
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Whatever you got for free.
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When you get someone
that powerful,
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anything could happen.
Anything.
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The people
who were really there,
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they're the ones
who know the real truth.
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I want to be a voice
for the women
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that suffered the most
at his hands.
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I know. Time for breakfast.
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Time for breakfast?
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Who wants breakfast?
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Okay.
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My name is Jennifer Saginor.
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I grew up
at the Playboy Mansion.
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Since Hefner's death,
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I'm noticing that people
that were close to "Playboy"
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are starting to suddenly go back
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and reevaluate their experiences
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and they're starting
to speak out.
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It's taken me a long time
to sort of unravel
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what I experienced growing up
and how it made me feel.
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I had a sense of loyalty
to this inner sanctum,
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to this inner circle that I
was initiated into very young.
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I didn't want to break
that loyalty
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because I knew there
would be serious consequences.
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All right.
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It was such a weird, up place.
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But, I mean, the truth is that
growing up there as a kid,
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it was magical.
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I was six when I went there
for the first time.
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When I was 11,
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I basically started
living there part time.
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My father was Hefner's
best friend and doctor
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for about 40 years and had
his own room there as well.
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The Mansion was like
a magical kingdom.
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I could have anything I wanted.
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I mean, the game room
was unbelievable.
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You know, I would literally
just take as many gumballs
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and M&M's as I wanted.
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In the morning, the butlers
would make my lunch
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and I would get into
Hef's limo and go to school.
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And there was a zoo
on the Mansion property.
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All the Playmates
would sort of watch over me.
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And these girls became sort
of substitute mother figures.
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Dorothy Stratten
used to babysit me.
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She was Playmate of the Year.
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We used to always,
like, play dress up.
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We used to just go like
roller-skating
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on the tennis court.
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So, for me, those connections
became everything.
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I have so many happy memories
of myself with Hef.
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I remember sitting
on my father's knee
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while he and Hef
were playing backgammon.
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We would play pinball
in the game room
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and Hef would let me
put my thumb on top of his.
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It just made me feel so special.
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Like he was just such a very,
like, soft, comforting,
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nurturing, sort of, like,
you know, paternal figure.
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My most special memory
is Christmas though.
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I just remember like
Frank Sinatra
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and the music in the background
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and the buffet table.
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And it was just really
a sense of family.
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There's something about it
that was very free, you know,
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and like warm and comforting.
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I just don't find that now.
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I haven't found that
in any point in my life.
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I am so thrilled to be
in this beautiful house
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where you live,
the Playboy Mansion.
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Tell me what this house
means to you.
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Well, first of all, it's home.
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I was born and raised,
as you know, in Chicago
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and have
a very lovely home there,
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which was the original
Playboy Mansion.
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But in 1971, I got this house.
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And around '75, I just decided
to make the move.
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It has been referred to by
some friends as Shangri La.
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The rumor is that
you don't get older
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once you come through the gates.
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I think all of us who were
part of the scene
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at the Playboy Mansion,
there was an unwritten rule.
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You left your troubles
at the gate.
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You drive up this driveway
and the first thing you see
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is this fountain
which was like a dolphin...
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being molested by a baby.
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And then you pull up
to this great Gothic house.
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There's this big wooden door
that creaks open.
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You know, there were signs
about "Playmates at play"
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and also, you know,
"Careful about the monkeys."
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I mean,
it was just like arriving
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in the strangest Xanadu.
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Every man wanted to be there.
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Every woman wanted to be there.
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The parties were extravagant.
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If you open the wrong door,
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you're gonna see a whole lot
more than you anticipated.
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Even in the foliage sometimes.
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I mean, the parties,
the roller skating,
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the tennis matches, volleyball.
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There was always something
going on that was for fun.
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These are the things
that people don't understand
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about the Playboy Mansion
or about Hugh Hefner.
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They don't understand
what I call the innocent times.
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Oh, my God, I remember
that party... that's insane.
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These are so fun, these parties.
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There was something in the air
that made you feel
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that nobody was judging you.
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And many of the women
truly enjoyed
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not feeling so constricted
by our society.
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You're free to be
whoever you want to be.
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Everything was so beautiful.
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It was very glamorous.
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And it was Hef's world,
you know?
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Hefner...created it.
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He molded it.
And he was king.
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Much of what Playboy's
all about, really,
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is a Disneyland for adults,
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a projection of those
adolescent dreams
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and fantasies
that I had in growing up
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that I've never really lost.
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Hugh Hefner
was in his own world.
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If you look at the photos,
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he thought he was the king,
the emperor.
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We were just servants.
Everybody else was invisible.
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He didn't want
to know our names.
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He just gave us directions.
We had to memorize them.
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He drank around
35, 40 Pepsis a day.
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I had to wrap them
in a special red napkin
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according to the instructions.
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He ate mostly M&M's,
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2 or 3 pounds a day,
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and red licorice.
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His condoms were stacked
in a certain place
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in the headboard.
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There were 150 rules.
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We had to follow them exactly.
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We were told,
"You cannot talk to the girls.
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"You're not their friend.
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You work for Mr. Hefner.
You don't work for them."
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As a child,
I looked up to Hefner
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because he had
this big magic castle
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and he was larger than life,
and he was charming,
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and everybody loved him,
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and he seemed very humble
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and was very generous
and seemed like,
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you know,
a really amazing person
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who deserved these blessings.
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Years later,
I started to realize
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that everyone
in this environment
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put Hef on a pedestal.
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And it wasn't genuine.
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This was all like an illusion.
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Everything you heard about
Hefner and "Playboy"
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was exactly what his PR agency
wanted you to hear.
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It was a very calculated
misrepresentation of the truth.
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Playboy became kind of
something more than
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just a magazine for me.
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It really was a projection
of a way of life
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and, uh, what we now call
an alternate lifestyle,
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if you will.
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The Playboy Philosophy
was like a manifesto.
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For him, it was always
about individual freedom.
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"I should be able to say
what I want
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"as long as I'm not
hurting anybody.
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"I should be able to
sleep with who I want
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as long as
I'm not hurting anybody."
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The blueprint for "Playboy"
can be traced
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to his entire life
leading up to that point.
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Hef was born
during the Roaring '20s
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and the Jazz Age.
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His parents
were strict Methodists,
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and there wasn't a lot of
affection shown in the home.
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He came out of the war,
got married.
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I think you've got
to find yourself
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before you find
your lifelong mate.
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And looking around
at the repressive society
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that existed in America
after World War II,
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he felt he had things to say.
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In 1953, Hugh Hefner
was 27 years old,
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literally at a card table
with a little typewriter.
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And he managed to pull together
the money
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to launch
the first edition of "Playboy,"
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which they didn't even
put a date on it
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because they weren't sure there
was gonna be a second edition.
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Because they had
Marilyn Monroe on the cover
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and Marilyn Monroe
on the inside,
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the first issue sold all 50,000
copies immediately.
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By the 1970s,
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"Playboy" was selling
7 million copies a month.
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"Playboy" was classy.
It was intoxicating.
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There was naked women in there,
there was nudity.
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But also it was
brilliant articles.
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It was incisive philosophy.
It was leading the culture.
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I think the search
for a new ethical, you know,
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set of moral values
based on something
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other than simply rigid rules
set forth
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many, many centuries ago
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is something from which only
good can come.
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In the '50s and '60s,
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"Playboy" was instrumental
in advancing
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the First Amendment
and freedom of speech.
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And the magazine
was able to pursue issues
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and social concerns
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that just weren't being
addressed in American society.
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Look at civil rights.
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I knew all along
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that Hef was a champion
of civil rights,
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one,
because I read the magazine,
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so I saw some of the people
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that he had done articles with,
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including Malcolm X.
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Then there were
the Playboy Clubs.
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So the first Playboy Club
opened in 1960,
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which was, of course, a time of
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tremendous racial
segregation in this country.
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Hef did not believe
in segregation. He didn't.
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At the Playboy Clubs,
there were Black Bunnies,
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there were
Black general managers.
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This was the way it was.
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Hi, and welcome to
"Playboy's Penthouse."
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Sammy Davis Jr. will
be here in a little while.
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"Playboy's Penthouse"
aired in 1959.
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There were very strong
Jim Crow laws.
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Whites were not allowed
to mingle with Blacks
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and vice versa.
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And yet this Hugh Hefner
had the audacity
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to let Blacks come on
to his television show
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and not just sing
and be whisked away.
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How long have you been
singing, Tina?
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Well, personally, I've been
singing for nine years.
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No, he set
an egalitarian atmosphere
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where Blacks could
come and mingle.
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Who else was doing that
but Hugh Hefner?
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As a child, I definitely felt
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that message of equality
at the Mansion.
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There was always
an air of acceptance.
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Oh, my God. These are like
the disco parties
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in the foyer,
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where I used to watch
as a kid on the banister.
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When I was around 10 or 11
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and I had my own bedroom there,
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at night,
I would hear loud music,
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and I would hear everyone down
below partying and having fun.
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I would sneak out my bedroom
door and down the hallway
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and hide behind the banister
and look below.
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I would see all these Playmates
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and women dressed
in these beautiful gowns
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and sparkly outfits.
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And I just couldn't wait
to be able to be older
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and be down there
at the parties with them.
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I'd always heard
from a young age
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that Hef was someone
that was this big,
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you know, feminist advocate
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and an advocate
for women's rights.
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I think the primary aims
of women's lib,
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the part that do not get
the publicity
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and the TV and newspapers
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are things
that "Playboy" endorses
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and has worked for
over the years.
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He used to say,
"Even nice girls like sex.
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They're allowed to like sex."
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As a little kid,
I was buying it that
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these women were empowered
and walking around naked
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and felt good about their bodies
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and the feminists
simply didn't get it.
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Hugh Hefner is my enemy.
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With "Playboy," there's
this entire conflict over,
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"Are the women expressing
themselves freely
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or are they being exploited?"
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As time went on, I saw
some of the inconsistencies.
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I saw just all
the tremendous hypocrisy.
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Mr. Hefner,
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you were picketed tonight
from Women's Liberation,
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and they say
that "Playboy" magazine
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and this contest distort
the role of womanhood.
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What's your response to that?
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We need more love
and more beauty in the world
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that already has too much
hate and ugliness in it.
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I was surprised when,
in the '70s,
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the feminists
were really attacking Hef.
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From the point of view of like
Hefner, my father,
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and the inner circle
of the boys club,
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they were feeling
as if they were being attacked
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for absolutely no reason,
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that there was a witch hunt
going on against them.
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There's something wrong
when an attractive girl
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can make more money
as a Playboy Bunny
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or a cover girl
than anything else.
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"Playboy's" greatest critics
throughout its history
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have been members
of the moral rights.
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And, you know, what Hugh Hefner
would have described
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as "radical feminists."
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They opposed
the objectification of women
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that was central
to "Playboy's" existence.
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I'm more in sympathy
than perhaps, you know,
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the girls realize with...
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- Women.
- Women.
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- I'm sorry.
- Yes, I'm 35.
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Than the ladies realize.
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I use girls referring
to women of all ages.
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- You should stop.
- You want to be called a boy?
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00:18:34,138 --> 00:18:36,227
- Would you like to...
- Oh, I see. Okay.
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I'd always felt
it was complimentary, but...
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That's because your magazine
is an image of women
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at an arrested development.
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Well, let me...
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On "The Dick Cavett Show,"
Hefner was there.
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And there was a woman, she was
very, very angry and saying,
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"How could you do this to women?
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How could you objectify women
in such a demeaning manner?"
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You know, and he just sat
there just as cool as ice.
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Hefner was classy.
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Hefner was educated and refined.
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So for me to align myself
with "Playboy" magazine,
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00:19:21,708 --> 00:19:24,537
it was okay.
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I was Miss January 1973.
My photos were gorgeous.
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And then I became director
of Playmate Promotions.
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At that point in time,
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I wasn't interested in marriage.
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But I was interested
in Playboy Enterprises,
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because women were
taking their power.
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They were in command
of themselves.
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So I thought, "Well, wow! wow!
That's good to me."
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And it went along
with the sexual revolution
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that was going on.
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I had a lot of power,
a lot of freedom.
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It was freedom, you know?
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00:20:05,186 --> 00:20:08,189
My Bunny name was Bunny Jaki.
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And I started working
at Playboy in 1967
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for 11 1/2 years.
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00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,287
We definitely got paid well.
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00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:22,812
And I bought a car, and I
lived the way I wanted to.
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We had more freedom than as
a secretary or as a teacher.
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00:20:29,036 --> 00:20:31,908
It's 1981. I'm in Chicago
as the Bunny Mother.
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I had 70 Bunnies underneath me.
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We did a lot of things
to help rise these girls up.
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00:20:37,305 --> 00:20:40,569
And it was exciting to me
because I knew
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that I could move up
the ladder in corporate.
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00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:46,053
There were oftentimes
when I would be interviewed
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by a strong feminist.
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And she would come at me
really hard.
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00:20:50,405 --> 00:20:52,407
And I would just,
"Mm-hmm. Yeah."
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00:20:52,451 --> 00:20:55,715
And I would answer
and let them know
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00:20:55,758 --> 00:20:59,501
that I was definitely
in charge of my life
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00:20:59,545 --> 00:21:01,851
and this was my choice.
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00:21:01,895 --> 00:21:05,115
Now, of course,
it came at a cost.
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00:21:05,159 --> 00:21:09,946
But at that moment in time,
I didn't know about that.
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00:21:15,212 --> 00:21:17,693
I didn't realize what was
going on at the time,
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that "Playboy" really wasn't
about freedom of expression.
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This wasn't about, like,
female empowerment.
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00:21:24,395 --> 00:21:26,572
This was something
that was much deeper,
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00:21:26,615 --> 00:21:29,575
that was much more sinister.
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At the Mansion,
back in like the '70s
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00:21:32,273 --> 00:21:36,277
and the early '80s,
it was the women and the men.
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The girls weren't allowed
to hang out with the men.
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But I was allowed
to sit with them.
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And I'd always see the men
looking at different
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negatives of girls
from different shoots.
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They would sort of quiz me
on how to critique a girl
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that they would consider up
to their standards.
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And so I would rattle off,
you know, what I knew
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that they were looking for,
whether it was a size D,
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which doctor
would do the boob job,
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00:22:08,265 --> 00:22:10,703
who would do the nose job,
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00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,532
what their entire physique
should look like,
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00:22:13,575 --> 00:22:15,577
and what size
everything should be.
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00:22:15,621 --> 00:22:18,667
For sure,
it was always size zero.
430
00:22:18,711 --> 00:22:22,889
I was trained how to view women
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00:22:22,932 --> 00:22:25,544
in the way that they did...
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As commodities.
433
00:22:28,416 --> 00:22:30,418
I mean, my father
used to tell me that I should,
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you know, I had to watch it
'cause... you know,
435
00:22:32,942 --> 00:22:35,205
'cause I could like
gain weight in my hips or...
436
00:22:35,249 --> 00:22:37,468
He would definitely,
like, at a young age,
437
00:22:37,512 --> 00:22:41,995
you know, go over our bodies
with us, with my sister and I.
438
00:22:42,038 --> 00:22:44,127
That was of course nerve-racking
439
00:22:44,171 --> 00:22:46,565
'cause I don't think
either one of us felt like
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00:22:46,608 --> 00:22:51,091
we measured up to what was
considered to be acceptable.
441
00:22:52,701 --> 00:22:55,574
They even pushed me...
I got my own surgery.
442
00:22:57,706 --> 00:22:59,708
15.
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00:22:59,752 --> 00:23:01,884
It was just awful.
444
00:23:06,628 --> 00:23:08,151
As I got older,
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00:23:08,195 --> 00:23:10,545
I would creep out
of my bedroom more and more.
446
00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:12,678
I was just very curious
447
00:23:12,721 --> 00:23:15,724
what was happening in all
the bedrooms down the hall.
448
00:23:15,768 --> 00:23:18,858
And I would see
some of these girls
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00:23:18,901 --> 00:23:24,167
doing things
that I didn't recognize.
450
00:23:24,211 --> 00:23:27,606
I would see them naked
with men all around them
451
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:29,782
and I would see them
on the floor on all fours
452
00:23:29,825 --> 00:23:32,088
and they were on drugs.
453
00:23:32,132 --> 00:23:35,483
And it... it just
really... it scared me.
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00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:39,487
The men were laughing.
455
00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:44,318
And I just remembered thinking
I never want to be
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like these girls running around
like they're animals.
457
00:23:48,583 --> 00:23:50,803
I just... I never want to be that.
458
00:23:50,846 --> 00:23:54,502
This wasn't about
empowerment of women.
459
00:23:54,545 --> 00:23:57,592
It was the breaking down
of a woman.
460
00:24:07,689 --> 00:24:10,170
Cody.
461
00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:15,436
As a teenager,
I started to notice
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00:24:15,479 --> 00:24:16,785
that all the Playmates
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00:24:16,829 --> 00:24:18,110
and Hefner's
different girlfriends
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00:24:18,134 --> 00:24:20,528
were very open
with their sexuality.
465
00:24:20,571 --> 00:24:24,663
And there was something
about it that drew me in.
466
00:24:24,706 --> 00:24:28,188
It was a very open environment
467
00:24:28,231 --> 00:24:32,845
of where love and sex
had very blurred lines.
468
00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:35,804
So if you love someone,
469
00:24:35,848 --> 00:24:38,720
it was you were supposed to be
more intimate with them,
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00:24:38,764 --> 00:24:41,375
I think, sexually.
471
00:24:41,418 --> 00:24:44,117
You know, Hef always would
kiss... which many people know,
472
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,032
he would kiss with
sort of his mouth open
473
00:24:46,075 --> 00:24:49,470
in sort of like a French kiss
kind of a way.
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00:24:49,513 --> 00:24:51,385
And I always thought
it was sort of strange
475
00:24:51,428 --> 00:24:52,995
that, you know,
someone that was sort of
476
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,563
was like my uncle
would kiss like that.
477
00:24:55,606 --> 00:24:57,347
But then my father told me
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that that's what people do
when they love each other.
479
00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:03,223
I think you're gonna have
very moral relationships
480
00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:05,965
with more than one person
at the same time
481
00:25:06,008 --> 00:25:07,880
or with a sequence of...
482
00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:12,188
Or continuing
series of relationships.
483
00:25:12,232 --> 00:25:14,234
Why was there so many girls?
484
00:25:14,277 --> 00:25:16,889
Hef was the playboy
of the Western world.
485
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:18,194
Why should he stop at one
486
00:25:18,238 --> 00:25:22,416
when he could have
as many as he did?
487
00:25:22,459 --> 00:25:25,114
He would say, "I want
to attract the young ladies
488
00:25:25,158 --> 00:25:28,552
"who want to run with me
in my life.
489
00:25:28,596 --> 00:25:31,164
I'm not gonna run with them
in their life."
490
00:25:33,557 --> 00:25:36,604
Back in the late '70s,
there was always
491
00:25:36,647 --> 00:25:40,216
at least three
to four main girlfriends.
492
00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:43,002
There was always one
that was the special one.
493
00:25:43,045 --> 00:25:45,831
This is what they called them.
494
00:25:45,874 --> 00:25:48,703
And those other girls
495
00:25:48,747 --> 00:25:52,272
were always wanting to be
that special one.
496
00:25:52,315 --> 00:25:54,013
Tell me about
the real Hugh Hefner,
497
00:25:54,056 --> 00:25:55,884
the one the rest of us
don't know.
498
00:25:55,928 --> 00:26:00,497
He's very sensitive.
He's very caring and giving.
499
00:26:00,541 --> 00:26:03,370
When I was 15, I fell in love
500
00:26:03,413 --> 00:26:05,502
with one of Hugh Hefner's
main girlfriends.
501
00:26:05,546 --> 00:26:07,287
I'm gonna call her Kendall.
502
00:26:07,330 --> 00:26:12,596
I fell very hard
because I was so young.
503
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,599
You know, Jennifer
was incredibly infatuated
504
00:26:15,643 --> 00:26:18,515
with, uh, with
Mr. Hefner's girlfriend.
505
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:20,779
I mean, really infatuated
with her.
506
00:26:20,822 --> 00:26:23,825
She was very sweet,
very innocent.
507
00:26:23,869 --> 00:26:27,916
You know, she was innocent.
She was 15 or 16 years old.
508
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,311
We, over time, became very close
509
00:26:31,354 --> 00:26:34,183
because she was someone
who ran away very young.
510
00:26:34,227 --> 00:26:38,797
And because my father had
pulled me away from my mother,
511
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,975
I longed for that affection
that only a woman could give.
512
00:26:43,018 --> 00:26:47,240
And Kendall
was very affectionate.
513
00:26:48,981 --> 00:26:51,810
I mean, one night,
she ordered like daiquiris.
514
00:26:51,853 --> 00:26:55,335
And one thing led to another.
515
00:26:55,378 --> 00:26:59,513
And I think she thought that
I had been with a girl before.
516
00:26:59,556 --> 00:27:03,909
It really took away
the loneliness at that time.
517
00:27:03,952 --> 00:27:07,216
I served
Mr. Hefner's girlfriend
518
00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:09,958
and Jennifer drinks in bed.
519
00:27:10,002 --> 00:27:12,308
I said, "Here are
your drinks, ladies."
520
00:27:12,352 --> 00:27:13,764
I was very professional.
And they said,
521
00:27:13,788 --> 00:27:17,748
"Mitch, you know,
you can say hello, it's okay."
522
00:27:17,792 --> 00:27:21,840
And I said, "I'm gonna go back
downstairs, ladies. Thank you."
523
00:27:21,883 --> 00:27:25,017
The people that knew knew
that Jennifer was underage.
524
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:26,932
I mean, I wanted to say
something to her.
525
00:27:26,975 --> 00:27:29,673
But I... I held back.
526
00:27:29,717 --> 00:27:32,372
It was something that
I didn't... I just didn't push.
527
00:27:32,415 --> 00:27:34,263
I didn't really think there
was anything necessarily wrong
528
00:27:34,287 --> 00:27:36,680
with what I did.
529
00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:39,509
You know, from my father
and Hefner's point of view,
530
00:27:39,553 --> 00:27:42,382
they really didn't care about
my having the affair
531
00:27:42,425 --> 00:27:44,732
with his girlfriend.
532
00:27:44,775 --> 00:27:46,449
He knew about the affair
from the beginning.
533
00:27:46,473 --> 00:27:48,257
I mean, there's cameras
everywhere.
534
00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:49,887
A lot of the cameras,
you didn't even know
535
00:27:49,911 --> 00:27:51,565
they were there,
but they were there.
536
00:27:51,608 --> 00:27:54,437
And also security was carrying
cameras on their jackets.
537
00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:57,614
So there's eyes everywhere.
538
00:27:57,658 --> 00:28:01,923
When I was 17,
I was called to Hef's room.
539
00:28:01,967 --> 00:28:05,187
I thought he was gonna
confront me about the affair.
540
00:28:05,231 --> 00:28:08,190
I was just... I wanted
to see Kendall so badly.
541
00:28:08,234 --> 00:28:10,540
And she said the only way
we could see each other
542
00:28:10,584 --> 00:28:12,847
is if you come to Hef's room,
Hef said.
543
00:28:15,415 --> 00:28:18,157
One of her friends,
who's also a Playmate,
544
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,812
walked me to his door.
545
00:28:21,856 --> 00:28:23,776
And then she stopped me
and she's like, you know,
546
00:28:23,814 --> 00:28:26,643
"I just want to tell you that
you don't have to do anything
547
00:28:26,687 --> 00:28:28,994
that you don't want to do."
548
00:28:29,037 --> 00:28:30,691
I was like, "What do you mean?"
549
00:28:30,734 --> 00:28:34,869
And then I went in and then
Hef ordered drinks.
550
00:28:34,913 --> 00:28:37,654
And then we were
just sitting there.
551
00:28:37,698 --> 00:28:42,007
And the energy
shifted in the room,
552
00:28:42,050 --> 00:28:46,098
and I started feeling
uncomfortable.
553
00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:49,928
I was still immature
emotionally,
554
00:28:49,971 --> 00:28:53,670
even though I'd been exposed
to so many things.
555
00:28:53,714 --> 00:28:56,499
So when I went in the room,
556
00:28:56,543 --> 00:28:59,024
and he and Kendall
were on the bed.
557
00:28:59,067 --> 00:29:01,330
And I just thought
it was fun, at first.
558
00:29:01,374 --> 00:29:06,205
I didn't really realize
what was about to happen.
559
00:29:06,248 --> 00:29:10,383
I felt like, in that moment,
Hefner crossed a boundary
560
00:29:10,426 --> 00:29:12,211
because he'd always looked at me
561
00:29:12,254 --> 00:29:15,040
and treated me like
I was his daughter.
562
00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:19,914
And here I was in his room
563
00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:23,178
feeling this uncomfortable energy
564
00:29:23,222 --> 00:29:26,834
that I was no longer being
looked at as a daughter.
565
00:29:28,792 --> 00:29:32,666
And then Kendall started crying.
566
00:29:32,709 --> 00:29:35,538
And then she ran
into the bathroom.
567
00:29:35,582 --> 00:29:39,716
And then he said, "Well, now
we're not gonna do anything
568
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,024
'cause she's crying
or whatever."
569
00:29:43,068 --> 00:29:46,941
And I was like, "Yeah."
And my dad's down the hall.
570
00:29:46,985 --> 00:29:49,639
And he's like, you know,
"We're all family here."
571
00:29:49,683 --> 00:29:52,512
And then I left
and went back to my room.
572
00:29:52,555 --> 00:29:55,863
I don't think that she knew
573
00:29:55,906 --> 00:29:57,473
what was really
going on up there
574
00:29:57,517 --> 00:30:00,085
until she actually
experienced being up there.
575
00:30:00,128 --> 00:30:01,825
And she got a... she got,
576
00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:04,045
you know,
a crash course in doing that.
577
00:30:04,089 --> 00:30:07,570
We're at the Playboy Mansion,
this is... this is... this is real,
578
00:30:07,614 --> 00:30:09,703
this is some real
579
00:30:19,713 --> 00:30:22,107
All right, good boy.
580
00:30:25,197 --> 00:30:28,243
Growing up, it's like
I never wanted to go
581
00:30:28,287 --> 00:30:33,683
against what my father or Hef
or the environment taught me
582
00:30:33,727 --> 00:30:39,385
was actually something
that was normal, I guess.
583
00:30:39,428 --> 00:30:41,865
When I got to college
584
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:45,521
and I started
to integrate into society,
585
00:30:45,565 --> 00:30:48,002
I didn't understand
how these rules
586
00:30:48,046 --> 00:30:50,135
that I had learned
from a very young age
587
00:30:50,178 --> 00:30:52,615
had nothing to do
with the outside world.
588
00:30:52,659 --> 00:30:55,618
You know, I didn't really talk
about it a lot with people.
589
00:30:55,662 --> 00:31:00,884
So writing it down was a way
for me to express myself.
590
00:31:00,928 --> 00:31:02,288
Joining me now
is Jennifer Saginor.
591
00:31:02,321 --> 00:31:04,323
She grew up inside
the Playboy Mansion
592
00:31:04,366 --> 00:31:06,803
and is the author
of the book "Playground."
593
00:31:06,847 --> 00:31:09,415
"Playground" was something
that I wrote about
594
00:31:09,458 --> 00:31:12,722
to sort of work out
out my own issues
595
00:31:12,766 --> 00:31:17,118
of what
I had seen and experienced.
596
00:31:17,162 --> 00:31:21,601
I was always taught that it
was okay to speak your mind.
597
00:31:23,603 --> 00:31:28,912
Yet I also knew that
a certain level of loyalty
598
00:31:28,956 --> 00:31:33,134
went along with belonging
into this inner circle.
599
00:31:33,178 --> 00:31:36,006
There was some level of fear
600
00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:37,486
that there
would be repercussions
601
00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:39,967
for breaking that loyalty.
602
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:43,884
And so I went out of my way
to betray Hef
603
00:31:43,927 --> 00:31:47,148
in a very, very positive light,
604
00:31:47,192 --> 00:31:49,411
as someone who was
a father figure,
605
00:31:49,455 --> 00:31:53,198
who I did look up to for many,
many years.
606
00:31:53,241 --> 00:31:55,809
When my book came out,
607
00:31:55,852 --> 00:31:58,986
I did a couple of interviews
in Los Angeles.
608
00:31:59,029 --> 00:32:01,249
And Hef called me and he said,
609
00:32:01,293 --> 00:32:04,296
"Congratulations,
I heard that you wrote a book,
610
00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:06,124
And I'm so proud of you."
611
00:32:06,167 --> 00:32:07,753
He said, "But listen,
if you could just do me a favor
612
00:32:07,777 --> 00:32:10,128
and not tell anybody
613
00:32:10,171 --> 00:32:13,435
that I knew about
your affair with Kendall."
614
00:32:13,479 --> 00:32:15,065
He's like,
"I would just really appreciate
615
00:32:15,089 --> 00:32:16,699
if we just kept
that between us."
616
00:32:16,743 --> 00:32:18,440
He didn't want people knowing
617
00:32:18,484 --> 00:32:22,096
that a minor
had an affair on his property.
618
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:26,231
And I was like, "Sure.
You know, no problem."
619
00:32:26,274 --> 00:32:28,233
He said,
"Could you fax over a list
620
00:32:28,276 --> 00:32:33,151
of your next interviews?"
And I said, "Sure. Of course."
621
00:32:33,194 --> 00:32:37,285
I went to New York, and then
literally, in succession,
622
00:32:37,329 --> 00:32:39,766
the interviews were canceled,
like, one by one.
623
00:32:39,809 --> 00:32:42,508
It was like something
out of a mafia movie.
624
00:32:46,251 --> 00:32:47,817
Well, I know what happened.
625
00:32:47,861 --> 00:32:52,213
I know that he... that he had
someone in his office call
626
00:32:52,257 --> 00:32:56,522
and contact those people
and stop those interviews.
627
00:33:00,613 --> 00:33:02,528
I was really crushed
628
00:33:02,571 --> 00:33:08,229
'cause I no longer could,
you know, speak my truth.
629
00:33:08,273 --> 00:33:10,884
It was just so hypocritical
630
00:33:10,927 --> 00:33:13,191
because freedom of speech
and the First Amendment
631
00:33:13,234 --> 00:33:15,193
had been something
that he was an advocate for
632
00:33:15,236 --> 00:33:18,021
his entire adult life.
633
00:33:18,065 --> 00:33:20,807
And that made me, you know,
634
00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:22,809
question who I thought
my father was
635
00:33:22,852 --> 00:33:24,724
and who I thought Hef was.
636
00:33:24,767 --> 00:33:28,902
And I really thought these men
were larger than life.
637
00:33:28,945 --> 00:33:31,252
They knew everybody,
they were so well connected,
638
00:33:31,296 --> 00:33:36,039
and just, you know,
really just enlightened beings.
639
00:33:36,083 --> 00:33:40,087
And I realized that this was
something much bigger
640
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:45,919
that he didn't want people to
know what was really going on.
641
00:33:48,182 --> 00:33:50,663
When I was
an editorial assistant
642
00:33:50,706 --> 00:33:52,708
working for the articles editor,
643
00:33:52,752 --> 00:33:55,798
different books
would get vetted by him.
644
00:33:55,842 --> 00:33:58,105
He was looking for things
in those books
645
00:33:58,148 --> 00:34:03,023
that would hurt
Hefner's reputation.
646
00:34:03,066 --> 00:34:05,330
I read everything
that came through.
647
00:34:05,373 --> 00:34:07,636
There's some things
that I read about
648
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,857
that never saw the light of day.
649
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:12,815
Over time, I realized
650
00:34:12,859 --> 00:34:16,036
I was just one of the many
people who were silenced.
651
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:22,869
I worked in six clubs.
Every club had a scandal.
652
00:34:22,912 --> 00:34:25,480
At least one if not many more.
653
00:34:25,524 --> 00:34:30,572
I had to keep my mouth closed
if I wanted to keep my job.
654
00:34:30,616 --> 00:34:32,835
There's a lot of
collateral damage
655
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:36,448
within the Playboy
organization... a lot.
656
00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:38,450
And the majority
of the collateral damage
657
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:41,801
is towards women.
658
00:34:43,803 --> 00:34:47,154
Things were done
to shush people up,
659
00:34:47,197 --> 00:34:50,200
to get them out of the way.
660
00:34:50,244 --> 00:34:54,074
He wasn't worried
about the local L.A. cops.
661
00:34:54,117 --> 00:34:57,991
Many of these police worked
for him as security guards.
662
00:34:58,034 --> 00:34:59,795
Most of the security
officers that were hired
663
00:34:59,819 --> 00:35:02,038
were ex-cops.
664
00:35:02,082 --> 00:35:03,431
Some of them were L.A. cops.
665
00:35:03,475 --> 00:35:04,887
Some of them
were Beverly Hills cops.
666
00:35:04,911 --> 00:35:06,391
Some of them were detectives.
667
00:35:06,434 --> 00:35:08,697
So it was very... it was
very serious.
668
00:35:08,741 --> 00:35:11,396
You gotta protect the Mansion,
you gotta protect, you know,
669
00:35:11,439 --> 00:35:13,180
especially, number one,
Mr. Hefner.
670
00:35:15,225 --> 00:35:18,228
A lot of things were just
taken care of in his world.
671
00:35:18,272 --> 00:35:20,970
The thing is he had tapes
on everybody.
672
00:35:21,014 --> 00:35:24,539
I have extensive electronic
equipment in the house,
673
00:35:24,583 --> 00:35:26,541
which includes
videotape equipment.
674
00:35:26,585 --> 00:35:29,239
And that does include cameras
so that
675
00:35:29,283 --> 00:35:31,546
if I want to shoot pictures
of anything, I can, yes.
676
00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:34,027
- Do you?
- Do I shoot pictures?
677
00:35:34,070 --> 00:35:37,160
I mean, what is it doing
in your bedroom?
678
00:35:37,204 --> 00:35:38,771
Sometimes things happen
in the bedroom
679
00:35:38,814 --> 00:35:41,121
that I'd like to take...
- You're being coy.
680
00:35:41,164 --> 00:35:45,386
Prim, I might add.
- We're on television.
681
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:49,434
Every room, even outside
on the properties,
682
00:35:49,477 --> 00:35:54,830
every place had microphones
and little cameras.
683
00:35:54,874 --> 00:35:58,486
Many of the girls wanted
to tell you their problems,
684
00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:02,055
and that made us
all very nervous.
685
00:36:02,098 --> 00:36:03,448
We had to be very careful
686
00:36:03,491 --> 00:36:06,668
because we know
we were being monitored.
687
00:36:08,148 --> 00:36:12,674
He lets the media into
all these parties on purpose
688
00:36:12,718 --> 00:36:14,894
because usually they
end up doing something
689
00:36:14,937 --> 00:36:16,983
they'll regret,
690
00:36:17,026 --> 00:36:20,421
and he's got that on them,
so down the road,
691
00:36:20,465 --> 00:36:23,990
if anything was gonna come out
negative about him,
692
00:36:24,033 --> 00:36:27,080
he'd just say,
"I don't think so.
693
00:36:27,123 --> 00:36:29,038
Remember this?"
694
00:36:29,082 --> 00:36:31,258
And then all of a sudden
it goes away.
695
00:36:31,301 --> 00:36:34,435
It was cult-like.
696
00:36:34,479 --> 00:36:37,569
The women had been groomed
697
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:40,876
and led to believe
they were part of this family.
698
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,140
And he really did believe
he owned these women.
699
00:36:44,184 --> 00:36:48,884
We had Playmates that overdosed.
700
00:36:48,928 --> 00:36:52,279
There were Playmates
that committed suicide.
701
00:36:53,585 --> 00:36:56,762
I really thought that
if I wrote a book,
702
00:36:56,805 --> 00:36:59,591
maybe all of this stuff
would go away,
703
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:02,071
maybe it would stop.
704
00:37:03,333 --> 00:37:08,774
Hefner even sent someone
to buy me off.
705
00:37:08,817 --> 00:37:13,996
When you get someone that
powerful to be that fearful,
706
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,912
anything could happen.
Anything.
707
00:37:16,956 --> 00:37:21,439
I had a bodyguard.
708
00:37:21,482 --> 00:37:24,572
I was that afraid.
709
00:37:25,791 --> 00:37:27,706
I got threatened.
710
00:37:27,749 --> 00:37:29,882
"You're not gonna
put this book out.
711
00:37:29,925 --> 00:37:32,885
"We can find you
anywhere you go.
712
00:37:32,928 --> 00:37:36,149
You can't hide from us."
It was very frightening.
713
00:37:47,290 --> 00:37:50,859
My life itself
is just an invention.
714
00:37:50,903 --> 00:37:53,775
It's just a very clever
marketing ploy
715
00:37:53,819 --> 00:37:56,604
that happens to work out very
well for me and the company.
716
00:37:56,648 --> 00:37:58,127
For the author.
717
00:38:00,869 --> 00:38:04,786
Everybody knew that Hefner
was a very powerful person.
718
00:38:04,830 --> 00:38:09,008
No one believed anything
that a young girl would say
719
00:38:09,051 --> 00:38:11,750
because you were a nobody.
720
00:38:11,793 --> 00:38:13,839
And they were
the big somebodies with money,
721
00:38:13,882 --> 00:38:18,191
with lawyers,
and you were shut down.
722
00:38:18,234 --> 00:38:19,845
We would tell these stories
40 years ago
723
00:38:19,888 --> 00:38:21,629
and people didn't believe it.
724
00:38:21,673 --> 00:38:26,808
Bill Cosby was there.
Oh, he's America's Dad.
725
00:38:26,852 --> 00:38:31,900
I mean, there's just... no one
would believe those women.
726
00:38:31,944 --> 00:38:35,208
For years.
727
00:38:35,251 --> 00:38:39,299
It was a beautiful world,
and to him, beautiful girls,
728
00:38:39,342 --> 00:38:43,521
beautiful people, beautiful
food, beautiful everything.
729
00:38:43,564 --> 00:38:47,612
But it... it looked that way,
but it was ugly.
730
00:38:47,655 --> 00:38:50,223
It was really ugly.
731
00:38:50,266 --> 00:38:53,661
This was built
to look like paradise.
732
00:38:53,705 --> 00:38:56,795
But in reality, paradise
is not all it's made out to be.
733
00:38:56,838 --> 00:39:00,450
The LAPD's investigating
a possible sexual assault
734
00:39:00,494 --> 00:39:02,409
this weekend
at the Playboy Mansion,
735
00:39:02,452 --> 00:39:04,716
home of hedonism
and Hugh Hefner.
736
00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:08,546
I have no doubt that terrible
things happened at the Mansion.
737
00:39:08,589 --> 00:39:09,851
Of course, it did.
738
00:39:09,895 --> 00:39:12,680
It would be naive to say
it didn't.
739
00:39:12,724 --> 00:39:16,075
But I think Hefner
would have resented
740
00:39:16,118 --> 00:39:17,816
being associated with it.
741
00:39:17,859 --> 00:39:21,341
I think he would say he was
the cause of the good things
742
00:39:21,384 --> 00:39:23,299
and then people took it too far.
743
00:39:23,343 --> 00:39:24,823
There was various scandals
744
00:39:24,866 --> 00:39:28,000
associated with "Playboy"
over the years.
745
00:39:28,043 --> 00:39:30,263
There was
Bobbie Arnstein's suicide.
746
00:39:35,834 --> 00:39:38,880
There was Dorothy Stratten's
murder.
747
00:39:38,924 --> 00:39:44,103
Her death was just so sad
and devastating and shocking.
748
00:39:44,146 --> 00:39:49,238
There were other girls and
models and Playmates who died,
749
00:39:49,282 --> 00:39:52,328
but they just were things
that you never talked about.
750
00:39:52,372 --> 00:39:54,722
All of these scandals
and whispers
751
00:39:54,766 --> 00:39:58,770
about what happened at the
Mansion and at Playboy,
752
00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:01,468
Hef remained untouched
by any of it.
753
00:40:01,511 --> 00:40:03,905
He was like Teflon.
Nothing touched him.
754
00:40:06,865 --> 00:40:08,649
Over time, I started to realize
755
00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:12,131
"Playboy" was run as this
big marketing machine
756
00:40:12,174 --> 00:40:14,394
where he was
in the center of it,
757
00:40:14,437 --> 00:40:16,701
and if it started
to affect poorly on him,
758
00:40:16,744 --> 00:40:20,095
it starts to affect
poorly on "Playboy."
759
00:40:21,009 --> 00:40:25,144
This was a very
sophisticated structure
760
00:40:25,187 --> 00:40:27,320
within Playboy Enterprises
761
00:40:27,363 --> 00:40:32,107
that his own machinery
kept into place.
762
00:40:32,151 --> 00:40:37,243
Everyone had a job
to keep Hefner protected.
763
00:40:37,286 --> 00:40:39,637
They wanted to control
the narrative.
764
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,292
They wanted to control
how people viewed "Playboy"
765
00:40:43,336 --> 00:40:46,426
and how they viewed Hef.
766
00:40:46,469 --> 00:40:48,428
But the people
who were really there,
767
00:40:48,471 --> 00:40:50,691
they're the ones who know
the real truth.
768
00:40:54,521 --> 00:40:58,699
His legacy should comprise
the whole story,
769
00:40:58,743 --> 00:41:03,356
not just part of it
that he projected,
770
00:41:03,399 --> 00:41:05,793
not his publicity machine
771
00:41:05,837 --> 00:41:09,754
but from the women
who experienced him.
772
00:41:09,797 --> 00:41:13,627
It's time that the illusion
is broken.
773
00:41:13,671 --> 00:41:17,370
There was a very dark,
dark side of "Playboy"
774
00:41:17,413 --> 00:41:19,459
that nobody wants to talk about
775
00:41:19,502 --> 00:41:22,723
because they want to live
in that bubble.
776
00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:24,899
You know, when he passed
away three years ago,
777
00:41:24,943 --> 00:41:27,641
I said to Stefan, you know,
"Maybe you should revive
778
00:41:27,685 --> 00:41:30,470
the book now that
the MeToo movement is here."
779
00:41:30,513 --> 00:41:31,882
When it happened,
I thought, you know,
780
00:41:31,906 --> 00:41:34,126
Hefner missed by a month
781
00:41:34,169 --> 00:41:36,606
of being
in the same seat as Weinstein
782
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:39,697
and all those other
powerful men in Hollywood.
783
00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:43,570
I'm ready now.
I'm empowered.
784
00:41:43,613 --> 00:41:45,920
I'm empowered to tell my story.
785
00:41:45,964 --> 00:41:47,966
I'm not afraid
to speak up any longer.
786
00:41:50,316 --> 00:41:51,752
What I want to say to Hefner is
787
00:41:51,796 --> 00:41:55,190
you destroyed a lot of lives.
788
00:41:55,234 --> 00:41:56,931
You were power hungry.
789
00:41:56,975 --> 00:41:59,455
You didn't care about
the lives of these women.
790
00:41:59,499 --> 00:42:01,980
You didn't care what happened
to these girls.
791
00:42:02,023 --> 00:42:04,069
It was all about what people
792
00:42:04,112 --> 00:42:10,205
perceived about you, Hefner.
793
00:42:10,249 --> 00:42:12,251
And it was all a lie.
794
00:42:39,495 --> 00:42:41,846
Holly was Hef's
number one girlfriend.
795
00:42:41,889 --> 00:42:44,631
In about 2013,
I started to feel like
796
00:42:44,674 --> 00:42:46,807
I needed to get my story out.
797
00:42:46,851 --> 00:42:50,071
I was one of Hugh
Hefner's multiple girlfriends,
798
00:42:50,115 --> 00:42:52,378
and I starred in a show
called "The Girls Next Door."
799
00:42:52,421 --> 00:42:54,467
We were three women
dating the same man.
800
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:56,314
Are there rules like, "Can
you have boyfriends at all?"
801
00:42:56,338 --> 00:42:58,079
- No.
- No.
802
00:42:58,123 --> 00:42:59,622
- You're not allowed to?
- Hef is our boyfriend.
803
00:42:59,646 --> 00:43:02,214
There was definitely no,
like, romance or seduction.
804
00:43:02,257 --> 00:43:06,914
It was all very mechanical
and robotic.
805
00:43:06,958 --> 00:43:10,831
I'd be lying if I said
I wasn't traumatized by it.
806
00:43:10,875 --> 00:43:12,572
You had a 9:00 curfew.
807
00:43:12,615 --> 00:43:14,617
You weren't really
allowed to leave.
808
00:43:14,661 --> 00:43:17,185
Looking back on my time
at Playboy,
809
00:43:17,229 --> 00:43:19,318
it reminds me of a cult.
810
00:43:22,318 --> 00:43:26,318
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