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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,230 --> 00:00:31,580 Federal agents, why would they still be here if they... 2 00:00:34,820 --> 00:00:36,410 Why would I make them so uncomfortable? 3 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:47,590 Who are you people? 4 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:56,640 So, what do you think is the biggest threat right now? 5 00:00:56,670 --> 00:01:00,330 I think the biggest threat is the FBI, the NSA, 6 00:01:00,370 --> 00:01:02,400 um, and their counterparts in foreign governments. 7 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,650 I mean, these are all, essentially, you know, 8 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,920 companies, right? 9 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,170 They try to justify their budgets in various ways, 10 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,720 often by scaremongering. 11 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,420 ♪ Whoo 12 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:24,980 ♪ Difference is between you and me ♪ 13 00:01:26,180 --> 00:01:27,810 I make this look good. 14 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,150 What are the Men In Black? 15 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:33,500 People have been reporting their own Men In Black experiences 16 00:01:33,540 --> 00:01:34,920 and eyewitness accounts 17 00:01:34,950 --> 00:01:38,370 since the beginning of the UFO cover-up history. 18 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,720 The burning question in most people's minds 19 00:01:40,750 --> 00:01:44,170 surrounding the infamous MIB accounts is, 20 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,410 what are the Men In Black? 21 00:01:46,450 --> 00:01:48,100 Well, the Men In Black is a concept 22 00:01:48,140 --> 00:01:49,620 that's been in the UFO field 23 00:01:49,660 --> 00:01:53,250 since, really, the beginning of the UFO field essentially. 24 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,560 Um, and there is a weird thing about it 25 00:01:56,590 --> 00:01:58,910 because there's always been two different components 26 00:01:58,940 --> 00:02:00,820 to this phenomenon. 27 00:02:01,150 --> 00:02:04,020 Um, there are cases where a UFO witness 28 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:05,460 or someone who has some connection 29 00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:07,780 to the UFO phenomenon, 30 00:02:08,610 --> 00:02:11,440 uh, is then accosted 31 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:14,780 by, usually, two individuals, 32 00:02:14,820 --> 00:02:16,610 often in pairs, sometimes singular, 33 00:02:16,650 --> 00:02:18,860 sometimes even more than two, but often, two. 34 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,860 And there are times when, uh, 35 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:24,520 very, like, ordinary, 36 00:02:24,550 --> 00:02:27,800 like human-looking intelligence types 37 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:29,590 approach someone 38 00:02:29,630 --> 00:02:34,180 and either warn them off of their investigation, 39 00:02:34,220 --> 00:02:36,600 or will actually make it very clear to them 40 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:40,050 that they're dealing with a UFO phenomenon. 41 00:02:40,090 --> 00:02:43,610 But in all cases, the idea is to scare off 42 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,060 or intimidate the witness so that they don't pursue 43 00:02:47,090 --> 00:02:48,950 whatever it is that they're looking into. 44 00:02:58,690 --> 00:03:00,830 Historical accounts of the Men In Black 45 00:03:00,870 --> 00:03:03,490 recall the overwhelming sensation of fear 46 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,280 experienced by those who have had prior encounters 47 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,630 with UFOs or something out of the extraordinary. 48 00:03:09,670 --> 00:03:12,290 This fear is a tool used to suppress 49 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:15,470 an incredible UFO event from the public. 50 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:17,260 What are their true goals? 51 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:20,470 Are they outdated military relics from the past? 52 00:03:20,510 --> 00:03:23,650 Or are they covertly influencing today's society 53 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,750 through misinformation, fake news? 54 00:03:26,790 --> 00:03:29,760 The earliest recorded encounter with a man in black 55 00:03:29,790 --> 00:03:32,000 was in 1947. 56 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:34,760 Harold Dahl, a conservationist, 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,390 was near the shore of Maury Island in Washington. 58 00:03:38,420 --> 00:03:43,700 Dahl's job was to retrieve serviceable lumber, 59 00:03:43,740 --> 00:03:48,260 that was often just floating around in the water back in those days. 60 00:03:48,290 --> 00:03:49,780 And he would bring it back, 61 00:03:49,810 --> 00:03:51,640 and that would be their business, 62 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:53,090 that's their business model. 63 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,510 And so Dahl is out on a boat, uh, for this purpose 64 00:03:56,540 --> 00:04:00,440 with his teenage son and dog, actually. 65 00:04:01,310 --> 00:04:04,240 And he sees six discs... 66 00:04:19,220 --> 00:04:22,360 ...in the air. We're talking, this is June, 1947. 67 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,430 This is actually, uh, right before, 68 00:04:25,470 --> 00:04:29,820 a couple of days before Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting of flying saucers 69 00:04:29,850 --> 00:04:32,850 over by Mount Rainier in the state of Washington. 70 00:04:32,890 --> 00:04:35,170 So, uh, just a few days before that 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Dahl is out in his boat in the water 72 00:04:38,030 --> 00:04:40,450 and he sees these six disc-like objects, 73 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,620 one of them's in trouble. 74 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:55,700 And it's, uh, wobbling and it's... 75 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:58,090 It seems to be losing its stability. 76 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:13,240 And the other discs come toward it, 77 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:15,210 according to his description, 78 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,180 and this disc that's in trouble releases material 79 00:05:19,210 --> 00:05:23,320 that, uh, almost looked like some kind of slag, that is, uh, 80 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:28,050 like a rocky type of, uh, material that comes out. 81 00:05:28,910 --> 00:05:30,600 And according to what Dahl said, 82 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,570 some of this material hit his son, 83 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,500 injuring his son's arm 84 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:37,370 and supposedly killed his dog. 85 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,020 And then after the object lost its material, 86 00:05:40,060 --> 00:05:41,890 it regained its stability 87 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,200 and all of these objects then, uh, departed. 88 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:52,240 So Dahl, uh, spoke to his supervisor, Fred Crisman. 89 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:54,800 Here's where the Men In Black scenario comes in 90 00:05:54,830 --> 00:05:56,010 with Harold Dahl. 91 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,730 The next day... 92 00:05:57,770 --> 00:06:00,150 What it comes down to is, he's at... There's a diner. 93 00:06:00,180 --> 00:06:04,910 There was a diner in that area where he's having breakfast the next day, 94 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:08,670 and he has a conversation with this mysterious man he's never met before. 95 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:11,920 Dahl initially expected this man was a lumber dealer, 96 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:14,470 and he was expecting just to do 97 00:06:14,510 --> 00:06:17,230 a standard business arrangement with this guy. 98 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:19,170 He deals... He dealt with strangers all the time 99 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,480 who were interested in lumber. 100 00:06:21,790 --> 00:06:23,930 It turns out this man was nothing of the sort. 101 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,830 This man then relates every single thing 102 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:28,590 that had happened to Dahl the previous day. 103 00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:32,630 And he knew all about it, 104 00:06:32,660 --> 00:06:35,320 uh, to Dahl's shock. 105 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,430 I mean, that would be a shocking thing for anyone to experience. 106 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:41,020 And this mysterious man essentially said, Look, 107 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:43,290 you're just going to leave this alone 108 00:06:43,330 --> 00:06:45,850 and you're not going to pursue this in any way whatsoever, 109 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,230 if you know what's good for you. 110 00:06:48,260 --> 00:06:52,130 And so, uh, that's an intimidating experience for so many reasons. 111 00:06:52,170 --> 00:06:55,030 You can imagine, poor Harold Dahl thinking... 112 00:06:55,060 --> 00:06:56,270 This is 1947. 113 00:06:57,170 --> 00:06:59,070 You're in America in 1947, 114 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:00,450 you're not under the assumption 115 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,900 that you're living in a surveillance state. 116 00:07:02,930 --> 00:07:05,390 And so, imagine the shock he had to have felt 117 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:07,530 thinking, Wait, what? How do you know 118 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,110 about anything that happened to me yesterday? 119 00:07:11,010 --> 00:07:12,080 So, there's that level 120 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,050 and then there's the implied threat from this man, 121 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,330 which just added to it. 122 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,500 Dahl did not have in his possession, 123 00:07:19,330 --> 00:07:20,780 uh, the slag at the time. 124 00:07:20,810 --> 00:07:23,200 There was an enormous amount of this stuff. 125 00:07:23,230 --> 00:07:25,300 So, like, we're talking 126 00:07:25,340 --> 00:07:28,130 much more than any one person could carry around with them. 127 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:32,170 Um, the bulk of this ended up in the possession 128 00:07:32,210 --> 00:07:34,930 of Fred Crisman, Dahl's boss. 129 00:07:34,970 --> 00:07:37,210 And eventually, the United States Air Force 130 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,140 sends two men 131 00:07:39,180 --> 00:07:42,840 to investigate and retrieve whatever this material is. 132 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,120 And they actually do get to do this. 133 00:07:47,150 --> 00:07:52,810 And they load all of this slag material onto an Air Force transport... 134 00:07:52,850 --> 00:07:54,700 Actually, this is Army Air Corps at the time. 135 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:56,370 This is just before the Air Force 136 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,920 has become a independent, unified entity, 137 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:01,820 separate from the Army. 138 00:08:01,860 --> 00:08:06,100 So they come up from McChord Airfield in California, 139 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:09,070 to acquire this material, and they do, 140 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:13,700 and on their way back from Maury Island, 141 00:08:13,730 --> 00:08:15,970 their plane catches fire and goes down and they die. 142 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:18,250 That's what happened. 143 00:08:18,780 --> 00:08:19,790 Uh, 144 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:21,740 and after that I... 145 00:08:21,770 --> 00:08:23,660 I don't know what happened to the slag material 146 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:25,290 or whatever this was, 147 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:27,850 but their plane crashed. 148 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,090 What is the true mission of the Men In Black? 149 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:33,160 Is it the suppression of information 150 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,890 regarding UFOs and extraterrestrials? 151 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,000 Or is it to aid them and further their agenda? 152 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:21,250 So, relating to the story of a man named Albert Bender 153 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,520 who also had a very interesting experience, 154 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:25,660 which actually coined the phrase "Men In Black." 155 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:28,980 Bender was one of the earliest, 156 00:09:29,010 --> 00:09:33,220 uh, organizers of, kind of, civilian UFO groups. 157 00:09:33,260 --> 00:09:36,190 There was the International Flying Saucer Bureau. 158 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:39,330 Uh, it was a publication that was quite successful 159 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:41,330 by 1952 standards. 160 00:09:41,370 --> 00:09:43,850 You know, printing out the publication, 161 00:09:43,890 --> 00:09:46,340 mailing it out and getting subscriptions that way, 162 00:09:46,370 --> 00:09:48,380 it's not easy. It wasn't easy to do back then. 163 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:51,900 Albert K. Bender founded the International Flying Saucer Bureau 164 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:55,110 in 1952, during the big UFO flap. 165 00:09:55,140 --> 00:09:57,490 Now, this was a phenomena that he had been studying 166 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,280 and following for years 167 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,080 and decided that there needed to be 168 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:03,770 one centralized location 169 00:10:03,810 --> 00:10:07,080 to put all of this information that had been gathered. 170 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,880 But he was doing a pretty good job. 171 00:10:08,910 --> 00:10:12,160 Now, 1952 was a very big year for UFOs in the United States. 172 00:10:12,190 --> 00:10:14,160 A very, very big year. 173 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:16,580 Um, you know, according to Project Blue Book, 174 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:19,340 which was doing investigations and taking reports, 175 00:10:19,370 --> 00:10:21,060 that was by far the biggest year they had. 176 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:23,790 Yeah, you could say that Project Blue Book was, uh... 177 00:10:23,830 --> 00:10:25,270 You could say the first AATIP. 178 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:28,660 You know, the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program 179 00:10:28,690 --> 00:10:30,160 that we've learned about since then. 180 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,770 But in Blue Book they, um, 181 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,110 had over 1,500 UFO reports for that year, which... 182 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:37,630 This is all pre-Internet. 183 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:41,260 To get that many reports that people send in is... It's a lot. 184 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:44,780 A lot of those were very intense military encounters. 185 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:47,470 Very well documented. 186 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:50,160 Uh, this is the year that for two weekends in a row, 187 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,410 flying saucers were seen over the Capitol in Washington, DC that summer. 188 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,960 It was the summer in which the United States Air Force 189 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,550 held an enormous press conference all about this. 190 00:11:01,730 --> 00:11:04,420 It was the year in which, if you were to go into 191 00:11:04,450 --> 00:11:07,110 Wright-Patterson Air Force Base's, um, 192 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:08,290 Project Blue Book Office, 193 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:10,690 according to Edward Ruppelt who was running it back then, 194 00:11:10,750 --> 00:11:12,440 he said, If you were to come in here, 195 00:11:12,460 --> 00:11:14,720 you would have thought there was an invasion underway. 196 00:11:15,290 --> 00:11:16,950 It was that intense. 197 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:19,500 Uh, there were a lot of people in the military 198 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:23,090 who actually believed that the secret was going to come out that year. 199 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:25,680 That's how big it was. 200 00:11:25,710 --> 00:11:28,720 So in the midst of all that, you have a young guy like Bender 201 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:33,200 who is investigating this on his own, and he's, 202 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,660 you know, getting contributions from other writers, 203 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:37,620 and he's got a decent publication going. 204 00:11:37,660 --> 00:11:39,250 It's quite successful. 205 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,730 Now, this blew up and went international immediately. 206 00:11:42,770 --> 00:11:46,010 Within that first year, he already had offices 207 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:49,220 in the UK and also Australia. 208 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:51,360 And you have to realize, 209 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,810 this is long before the Internet, 210 00:11:53,850 --> 00:11:56,990 cell phones and our current technology. 211 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:59,300 He was doing all of this through snail mail 212 00:11:59,330 --> 00:12:02,340 and, if he could afford it, long-distance telephone calls, 213 00:12:02,370 --> 00:12:05,270 back when you had to pay long-distance charges. 214 00:12:05,310 --> 00:12:07,580 So, on a very limited budget, 215 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:11,240 he was able to make this very large organization 216 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,040 that was compiling all of this information 217 00:12:14,070 --> 00:12:16,660 on UFO activity at the time 218 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:19,420 and also producing a newsletter 219 00:12:19,460 --> 00:12:22,320 that would get mailed out as well. 220 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,500 And then, seemingly out of the blue in March, 1953 221 00:12:25,530 --> 00:12:28,360 he just shuts the whole thing down and just runs away. 222 00:12:29,230 --> 00:12:30,710 And no one hears from Albert Bender. 223 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:32,230 He just makes this quick announcement, 224 00:12:32,260 --> 00:12:35,780 I'm done. We're not doing this anymore. See you. 225 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,370 Nobody really knew what truly happened. 226 00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:42,900 Gray Barker, a writer and publisher at that time, 227 00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:44,790 also involved in the UFO community, 228 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:47,280 tried to get some details out of him 229 00:12:47,310 --> 00:12:50,730 and published a few, uh, scant details 230 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:52,530 during the mid-1950s 231 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,670 but never really got a clear answer. 232 00:12:55,700 --> 00:13:01,640 But then, in the early 1960s, a little over 10 years later, 233 00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:05,990 Gray Barker published a book by Albert K. Bender called 234 00:13:06,020 --> 00:13:08,200 Flying Saucers and the Three Men 235 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:10,340 where Albert K. Bender told his story 236 00:13:10,370 --> 00:13:12,270 about what had really happened to him. 237 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:14,960 And, um, nine years after that, 238 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,720 in 1962, Bender wrote a book 239 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,760 called Flying Saucers and the Three Men 240 00:13:18,790 --> 00:13:21,870 and he gives a... The story about why this all... 241 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:23,800 Why did he shut it down in 1953, and... 242 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:26,870 Uh, here's where we get into a definite 243 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:30,110 paranormal description of the Men In Black. 244 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:34,020 Now what Bender claimed is that he started being visited 245 00:13:34,050 --> 00:13:36,530 by three strange men. 246 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:40,090 He would go into his bedroom at night and all of a sudden, 247 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,750 three shadowy figures would materialize through the walls. 248 00:13:44,780 --> 00:13:47,340 Now these figures were very dark in nature. 249 00:13:47,370 --> 00:13:50,760 They were wearing hats, almost like a fedora style, 250 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:53,860 and they had glowing eyes. 251 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:56,380 Now, when I first heard this story, 252 00:13:56,420 --> 00:13:59,040 coming from a paranormal background like I do, 253 00:13:59,070 --> 00:14:01,630 I immediately thought of shadow people, 254 00:14:01,660 --> 00:14:05,220 the hat-wearing shadow entities that many people talk 255 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:08,010 about observing and having interactions with. 256 00:14:08,050 --> 00:14:13,090 Now, Albert K. Bender believed that these were actually extraterrestrials. 257 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,060 That they had come to warn him off 258 00:14:16,090 --> 00:14:17,710 of all the work that he was doing 259 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:20,960 and these guys are the reason why he disbanded 260 00:14:20,990 --> 00:14:23,030 the International Flying Saucer Bureau. 261 00:14:23,060 --> 00:14:25,100 Now, other people hear this story 262 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:28,170 and they believe this is a Men In Black story. 263 00:14:28,210 --> 00:14:30,730 That it was the Men In Black that had arrived 264 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,900 and warned him off of all of his flying saucer research. 265 00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:37,390 Now, with Bender, what he believed that 266 00:14:37,420 --> 00:14:41,010 these entities were, that they were ETs, 267 00:14:41,050 --> 00:14:44,020 they were extraterrestrials from some other world 268 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:46,950 that had come to our planet 269 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:50,440 to harvest resources down in Antarctica, 270 00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:53,990 where they were harvesting these resources out of the water. 271 00:14:54,030 --> 00:14:58,510 They were here on a 15-year mission to do so. 272 00:14:58,550 --> 00:15:01,030 And Albert Bender could not say anything 273 00:15:01,070 --> 00:15:05,350 about the true nature of what he had observed, 274 00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:08,490 who he was interacting with and why he had disbanded 275 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,350 the International Flying Saucer Bureau 276 00:15:10,390 --> 00:15:13,800 until these ETs had left Earth. 277 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,980 Which is why, several years later, in the 1960s, 278 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:18,810 he came forth with his story 279 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,950 and published the book through Gray Barker. 280 00:15:20,980 --> 00:15:23,640 He noted that they had red eyes. 281 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,540 So any time you're going to see a being 282 00:15:25,570 --> 00:15:27,680 that can mysteriously enter your room 283 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:29,750 and they've got red eyes, 284 00:15:29,790 --> 00:15:31,270 I think the implication is going to be 285 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:33,510 that these aren't quite from our neighborhood. 286 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,170 They're from somewhere else. 287 00:15:35,690 --> 00:15:36,720 So, Bender... 288 00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:41,560 You know, it's tough enough for people to accept 289 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:44,250 this ordinary paranormal element of the story, 290 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,180 and that's difficult enough. 291 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:48,800 Then he added that they gave him... 292 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:50,740 Well, they gave the reason 293 00:15:50,770 --> 00:15:52,810 why he couldn't investigate this, 294 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,880 and they, according to Bender, they said, 295 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:58,500 Well, we're mining under in Antarctica. 296 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,650 And this is very important and we don't want you 297 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,580 to disturb this and cause us any trouble. 298 00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:07,550 And they gave him, according to Bender, they gave him a medallion. 299 00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:10,590 And stated, 300 00:16:10,620 --> 00:16:14,180 When this medallion disappears, that will mean that we're gone. 301 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,010 And then you can talk about us. 302 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,660 You cannot talk about us until then. 303 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:23,010 And according to that reasoning, 304 00:16:23,050 --> 00:16:27,710 the medallion, uh, disappeared, I guess, in the early 1960s, 305 00:16:27,740 --> 00:16:29,150 prompting Bender to write his book, 306 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:30,880 which was published in 1962. 307 00:16:31,780 --> 00:16:32,810 And, you know, I mean, 308 00:16:34,780 --> 00:16:36,540 it's not difficult to understand 309 00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:39,410 why people would have a very hard time to believe that. 310 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,410 Uh, where's the evidence? 311 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,890 Oh, well, the evidence disappeared. 312 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,070 No medallion. 313 00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:47,310 Antarctica, like, especially in 1950s in... 314 00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:50,030 You know, there would be no reason 315 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:52,800 anyone would possibly think that there was work going on 316 00:16:52,830 --> 00:16:57,040 in Antarctica, the most remote, desolate part of the planet. 317 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,530 Uh, pretty fantastic. 318 00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:02,260 Nowadays, uh, there's all kinds of talks 319 00:17:02,290 --> 00:17:03,670 and rumors about Antarctica 320 00:17:03,710 --> 00:17:05,360 in the UFO field. It never stops. 321 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:11,060 Fully illuminated, round object was hovering silently over the missile silo 322 00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:13,540 and shining a light down onto it. 323 00:17:13,580 --> 00:17:17,650 And then from this dead stop, it shoots off to the east, 324 00:17:17,690 --> 00:17:19,930 uh, just like, now you see it now you don't. 325 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,110 This planet is being visited by beings from another world. 326 00:17:27,730 --> 00:17:31,080 In 1964, Dr. Robert Jacobs was in charge 327 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:34,840 of the optical instrumentation of ballistic missile testing. 328 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,090 There, he recorded footage of an ICBM 329 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:41,230 and was surprised to find the extraordinary. 330 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:44,160 Here he recalls the events in detail. 331 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,340 And flying downrange, we've got all three stages of powered flight, 332 00:17:47,370 --> 00:17:51,790 and as the, uh, dummy warhead and the package flew on downrange, 333 00:17:51,820 --> 00:17:54,340 we were all celebrating the fact that we had, uh, seen a thing 334 00:17:54,380 --> 00:17:55,550 and accomplished the mission. 335 00:17:57,110 --> 00:18:00,450 So, another interesting story concerned a man named Dr. Robert Jacobs, 336 00:18:00,490 --> 00:18:04,940 who was a highly qualified, uh, scientific professional 337 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:07,630 who in 1964, he was very much involved 338 00:18:07,670 --> 00:18:08,880 in film recording 339 00:18:08,910 --> 00:18:10,950 of missile launches, 340 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:13,570 uh, out of White Sands Proving Ground 341 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:16,120 in New Mexico, 342 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,050 where, uh, ballistic missiles were being tested. 343 00:18:18,610 --> 00:18:20,300 And what they would do is 344 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:21,890 they would launch these missiles 345 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,100 and then record them. 346 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:40,010 ...and flying downrange, 347 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,840 we got all three stages of powered flight 348 00:18:41,980 --> 00:18:44,220 and as the dummy warhead 349 00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:46,330 and the package flew on downrange, 350 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,950 we were all celebrating the fact that we had seen a thing 351 00:18:48,980 --> 00:18:50,570 and accomplished the mission. 352 00:18:50,610 --> 00:18:53,710 When I got back to the base with the film the next day, 353 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:57,170 I was called into the office of Major Florence J. Mansmann, 354 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,310 and there were three people in gray suits standing in there. 355 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:04,520 There was a 16 millimeter camera and a screen set up. 356 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:07,530 Major Mansmann said, Lieutenant, sit down and watch this. 357 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,630 And he suddenly said, Just watch this. 358 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:14,180 And as I watched, 359 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,940 the warhead, the dummy warhead, 360 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:20,220 the shaft that was put out in front of it as the decoy 361 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:25,300 to deflect the Russian anti-missile missile tracking radar. 362 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:28,470 And during one of these tests, 363 00:19:28,510 --> 00:19:31,340 the missile just went completely haywire 364 00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:34,200 and didn't perform as expected, it crashed. 365 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,900 And on review of the film the next day, 366 00:19:37,930 --> 00:19:41,930 what Jacobs and his supervisor who was a major, 367 00:19:41,970 --> 00:19:46,040 noticed that there was an object, a UFO. 368 00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:48,870 Everything was flying along and suddenly, 369 00:19:48,910 --> 00:19:50,630 in the same direction this stuff was flying 370 00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:52,950 at about 8,000 miles an hour. 371 00:19:52,980 --> 00:19:54,980 The object came into the frame, 372 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:57,400 shot a beam of light at the warhead, 373 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:58,430 flew up to the top, 374 00:19:58,470 --> 00:20:00,120 shot another beam of light at the warhead, 375 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,880 flew around at the direction it was flying, 376 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,780 shot another beam of light at the warhead, 377 00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:06,550 flew down, shot another beam of light at the warhead, 378 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:09,410 and flew out the same way it came in. 379 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,210 Well, I don't see why didn't you see this 380 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,410 when you were shooting it? 381 00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:16,590 Well, it was, uh, 600 to 800 miles away from us. 382 00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:18,250 Like a saucer type of an object 383 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,590 that was clearly interacting with this missile. 384 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:26,250 And it was when this object appeared, the missile went... 385 00:20:26,290 --> 00:20:29,980 And I think it shot some, like a laser or a beam. 386 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:33,120 I think it was a very well defined 387 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,990 laser type of a beam that was directed at this missile. 388 00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:39,650 And at that moment, the missile went off course 389 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,930 and just crashed. 390 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,310 Well, first of all Major Mansmann said to me, 391 00:20:44,340 --> 00:20:46,590 What was that? Were you guys screwing around up there? 392 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,180 -I said, No, sir, 393 00:20:48,410 --> 00:20:50,160 Then he said, Then tell me what that was? 394 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,410 I said, We got a UFO. 395 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,240 After choosing to discuss the event, 396 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,040 Dr. Jacobs reports disruptions in his daily life. 397 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,010 People calling at all times of the day and night 398 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:01,260 threatening his life, 399 00:21:01,290 --> 00:21:04,120 which has escalated into property damage. 400 00:21:04,150 --> 00:21:06,430 Intimidation is one of many techniques 401 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:08,190 used to instill fear. 402 00:21:09,370 --> 00:21:10,610 And he said, Lieutenant, 403 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,610 you are never to speak of this again. 404 00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:16,510 As far as you're concerned, this didn't happen. 405 00:21:16,550 --> 00:21:20,140 Eventually, Major Mansmann confirmed Dr. Jacobs' claims 406 00:21:20,170 --> 00:21:23,350 of a UFO interacting with the ICBM. 407 00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:26,000 The major also disclosed that two agents 408 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,900 who were not the CIA 409 00:21:27,940 --> 00:21:30,250 took the footage and altered it. 410 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,530 All film evidence of the UFO 411 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,530 and its interactions with the missile were missing. 412 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:38,570 The Major reported that one agent said to him, 413 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,470 That leaves you off the hook, 414 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,230 but not off disclosure, understood? 415 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,200 Somehow the Major had said to Jacobs 416 00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:47,020 that these men told him, 417 00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:51,960 they'd erased the flying saucer from this film. 418 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,850 And they said, You're off the hook, but you're not off of disclosure. 419 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,960 In other words, 420 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:58,960 you're not in trouble now because we've cleaned the film up, 421 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,380 but don't you talk about it. 422 00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:04,530 That's 1964 and, uh, Jacobs, 423 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,460 then you fast-forward 424 00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:09,560 to the disclosure project with Dr. Steven Greer. 425 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,600 We're talking late 1990s now, when Jacobs 426 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,470 did an interview with Greer and talked about this event. 427 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,370 And that was published in Greer's book, 428 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,060 I think the following year, in 2000. 429 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:24,300 And what Jacobs said in the aftermath of that 430 00:22:24,340 --> 00:22:28,340 was that he was subject to a range of harassment 431 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,100 type of activities. 432 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:31,760 Some of these things would include, uh, 433 00:22:31,790 --> 00:22:35,730 threatening phone calls at all times of the day 434 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,040 and, uh, even to vandalism against his property, 435 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,660 property damage 436 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:42,390 and, uh, acts of intimidation of this sort. 437 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:45,320 Which, yeah, that's going to intimidate people. 438 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,400 So, the whole point of, of this type of activity 439 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:52,230 obviously, would be to frighten you, the witness, 440 00:22:52,810 --> 00:22:53,900 enough to realize, 441 00:22:54,030 --> 00:22:55,340 You'd better not talk about this 442 00:22:55,470 --> 00:22:57,300 because you're dealing with people 443 00:22:57,340 --> 00:22:59,300 who will do damage to you. 444 00:22:59,340 --> 00:23:02,480 And if they can wiretap your phone, 445 00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:05,410 or if they can threaten you at any time of the day, 446 00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:08,040 um, who knows what they're capable of doing? 447 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:27,570 Now, there have been some visits by these types of individuals 448 00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:31,370 in which the witness doesn't believe that they're fully human. 449 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:36,440 There's an odd component to some of these encounters, 450 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,900 and in fact, when you really go through some of those descriptions, 451 00:23:40,930 --> 00:23:43,800 it's easy to see why people would conclude that. 452 00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:46,940 Uh, some of those individuals are described 453 00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:49,660 physically as having very pasty skin 454 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:52,080 or very unusual physical features 455 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,220 like, very thin, clothes don't fit them properly. 456 00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:57,530 Uh, odd behavioral characteristics. 457 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,470 In some cases, 458 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:03,160 the witness will say that they almost seem to lose power, 459 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,160 uh, or energy in the middle of the interview 460 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,510 and then they just leave 461 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:09,680 as if they're like robots running out of battery power, 462 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,000 you know, something like that. 463 00:24:11,030 --> 00:24:14,760 So you get these two disparate types 464 00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:17,140 of Men In Black stories, 465 00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:19,250 and that's always been the tension 466 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,660 that you get with the Men In Black phenomenon. 467 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:25,110 Are we dealing with, you know, 468 00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:26,870 people working through the CIA 469 00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:29,660 or Air Force Office of Special Investigation or something like that? 470 00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:32,780 Uh, or are you dealing with, 471 00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:34,230 I mean, really, the implication is, 472 00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:37,330 are you dealing with non-humans posing as human beings 473 00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:38,850 for their own purposes? 474 00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:40,370 And that's always been the tension. 475 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,440 As witnesses continue to come forward 476 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,990 with their experiences, 477 00:24:44,030 --> 00:24:45,820 it is believed that the Men In Black 478 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:49,930 shifted their approach to publicly debunking those claims through proxy. 479 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:51,830 Credible reports of abductions 480 00:24:51,860 --> 00:24:54,040 circulated throughout the UFO community 481 00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:57,530 and was met with heavy skepticism by debunkers. 482 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,630 He got his start as a debunker in the mid-1960s 483 00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:03,390 with the idea of ball lightning to explain away 484 00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:06,220 one particular interesting UFO event. 485 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:08,710 Uh, through the '60s made it his personal vendetta 486 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:10,470 to destroy the career of James McDonald, 487 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:11,540 the atmospheric physicist, 488 00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:14,470 who was a very, very strong UFO proponent. 489 00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:17,720 And then, by the 1970s Klass really was hitting the big time 490 00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:19,340 in terms of media attention 491 00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:22,620 and in terms of his prominence as a UFO skeptic. 492 00:25:22,650 --> 00:25:23,930 Certainly, by the 1970s, 493 00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:26,760 Philip Klass had become the number one 494 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,490 active UFO skeptic by far. 495 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,420 Credible reports of abductions 496 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,490 circulated throughout the UFO community 497 00:25:33,530 --> 00:25:36,810 and was met with heavy skepticism by debunkers. 498 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,330 Are you a debunker of all UFO stories? 499 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:43,360 -Is that your purpose? -Well, I look for explanations. 500 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,990 Now, you know, you can look at 501 00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:48,130 probably the most prominent skeptic 502 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,200 of UFOs during the 19... 503 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:52,030 Starting from the mid-'60s, 504 00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:54,650 right through the rest of the 20th century, 505 00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:56,760 was a man named Philip J. Klass. 506 00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:58,930 Yeah. Now Klass 507 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,380 wasn't a true Man In Black, 508 00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:05,210 uh, the way that previous Men In Black were described, 509 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:07,560 you know, coming in your house and threatening you. 510 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,490 Klass worked in a different way. 511 00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:13,600 Uh, he engaged in countless smear campaigns through the media 512 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,570 to discredit individuals associated with UFOs, most famously 513 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,230 the atmospheric physicist James McDonald, 514 00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:22,960 who is really a hero in the UFO field, 515 00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:24,510 and rightly so. 516 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:27,890 Klass went after McDonald's like a... Like a war. 517 00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:29,690 A personal vendetta. 518 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,030 Klass was someone who was so well positioned 519 00:26:33,070 --> 00:26:34,760 through his contacts in Washington, D.C. 520 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,930 where he lived and worked. 521 00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:39,460 He was a senior editor for a very prominent 522 00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:41,630 aerospace aviation magazine, 523 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:43,870 and he was very well connected. 524 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,020 Uh, Klass always seemed to have 525 00:26:48,050 --> 00:26:51,020 information on people. 526 00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:54,400 He had this way, and this went throughout his entire career. 527 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960 But there is no more exciting story that I could write 528 00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:58,650 or Aviation Week could publish 529 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,060 than to say, At last 530 00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,820 we've come across one UFO report 531 00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:06,380 that cannot be explained in prosaic terms. 532 00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:08,760 Maybe this is an alien spaceship. 533 00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:10,830 Biggest story of all time. 534 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:13,660 Yet in more than 22 years as a hobby 535 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:18,320 of investigating famous mysterious UFO cases, reports, 536 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,290 I have never found one that cannot be explained 537 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:23,880 in prosaic earthly terms. 538 00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:26,160 He once tried to bribe 539 00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:29,230 one of Travis Walton's, uh, coworkers. 540 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:34,230 You know, Travis Walton had the very famous UFO encounter in 1975 541 00:27:34,270 --> 00:27:36,720 where he was missing for five days. 542 00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:39,550 Klass actually tried to bribe 543 00:27:39,580 --> 00:27:42,860 uh, one of Walton's cohorts 544 00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:44,380 to deny the whole thing ever happened. 545 00:27:44,420 --> 00:27:45,690 He offered him $10,000. 546 00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:48,870 This is how Klass worked constantly. 547 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,350 You know, it's like Philip Klass 548 00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,220 offered me $10,000. 549 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,320 That was a lot of money back in the '70s. 550 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,500 And there's always been very, very strong suspicion. 551 00:27:58,530 --> 00:28:00,360 No proof that I'm aware of, 552 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,120 but very strong circumstantial evidence 553 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,540 that Klass was some kind of asset 554 00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:05,580 to the US intelligence community 555 00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:08,130 doing work for them to discredit him on the subject. 556 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,990 He definitely was promoted by Edward Condon 557 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:15,480 of the famous Condon Committee from the late 1960s 558 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:21,110 that, um, infamously try to debunk UFOs scientifically. 559 00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:24,770 Our latest book, Stanton Friedman and I 560 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,180 have written Fact, Fiction, and Flying Saucers. 561 00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:31,430 It's based upon years of archival research. 562 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:33,050 He went to Harvard, 563 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,990 read Donald Menzel's archival files. 564 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:38,820 I went to the American Philosophical Society. 565 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:41,020 I made several trips there, 566 00:28:41,060 --> 00:28:44,720 and what I found in the correspondence files 567 00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:48,480 was a plan to debunk those individuals 568 00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:51,660 who had very compelling cases 569 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:58,110 and also to attempt to reduce the credibility of scientists 570 00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:02,220 who had an interest in investigating UFOs 571 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:04,910 and who were speaking publicly about that. 572 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:09,880 I have a letter that Dr. Edward Condon wrote to McGraw Hill. 573 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,610 And in that letter, Edward Condon stated, 574 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,090 If you need anyone in the media 575 00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:19,300 to make public statements about UFOs, 576 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:23,380 I would advise you to use Philip Klass. 577 00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:29,450 Condon certainly worked hard to try to promote Philip Klass 578 00:29:29,490 --> 00:29:33,390 as much as possible, as someone who would be relied upon 579 00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:36,010 to give the proper perspective on UFOs. 580 00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:38,880 That is the skeptical, debunking attitude on UFOs, 581 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:40,080 uh, through the media. 582 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,290 Klass is someone who was able to get New York Times, 583 00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:44,810 op-ed pieces and articles like no problem. 584 00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:47,570 He was on CNN all the time, Larry King. 585 00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:51,790 He was always able to get access to major media 586 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:53,990 in a way that normal UFO researchers 587 00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:56,410 would have just, you know, given up an arm 588 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,590 to be able to have, 589 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,790 but Klass just had this magical ability 590 00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:01,860 to connect with all major media. 591 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,040 And you could certainly say 592 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:09,080 that Klass is a new version of the Man In Black, 593 00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:11,530 not in any way like the mysterious, 594 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,010 intimidating figures coming to your house. 595 00:30:14,050 --> 00:30:16,570 He would just smear you and try to destroy your career. 596 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,680 What was was recovered was a radar target. 597 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,700 -Balloon-borne. -No, no, no, no. 598 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:23,750 That is, that is the cover story that was put out. 599 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,510 We know it was a cover story based on the testimony of the people 600 00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:27,790 who put out the cover story. 601 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:31,550 Whatever happened at Westall, 602 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:34,340 whatever the objects were, they were being tracked. 603 00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:36,590 They'd being tracked from where they were coming from. 604 00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:38,970 They'd been tracked over previous days, 605 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,250 and there was some sense of there being, um, 606 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,700 a surveillance going on of these objects. 607 00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:50,220 And that's why the response could be as fast as it was 608 00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:53,330 to the... To Westall. 609 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,510 That's why the military could get there as quickly as they did that day, 610 00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:01,100 because there were some, if you like, forewarning 611 00:31:01,130 --> 00:31:03,930 that perhaps these objects had been seen elsewhere in Australia 612 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,930 in the preceding days. 613 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,450 Certainly we have the famous photograph of a UFO 614 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520 taken in a suburb of Balwyn 615 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,420 about 20 kilometers from Westall 616 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:19,980 just four days before the Westall incident. 617 00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:24,950 And that photograph was leaked to a Melbourne newspaper, 618 00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:26,950 The Herald, and published 619 00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:29,640 and caused a huge furor at the time, 620 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,540 so much so that the person who took the photograph itself, 621 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:35,880 even though he didn't want it published in the newspaper, 622 00:31:35,910 --> 00:31:37,500 he gave it to a friend who leaked it. 623 00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,240 He never wanted it made public, 624 00:31:40,270 --> 00:31:41,620 but it was 625 00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:44,070 and it then resulted in 626 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:47,380 the Air Force visiting him at his home. 627 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:49,940 An interview was held with him. 628 00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:53,290 And he claims to this day that he thinks the Air Force 629 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,770 was so concerned about that photograph going into the newspaper 630 00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:00,670 was because it showed the object 631 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:03,680 that was seen at Westall four days later, 632 00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:07,060 or there was some connection with whatever that object was 633 00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:09,650 that he caught in his polaroid photograph 634 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,790 and with what happened at Westall. 635 00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:14,960 So that's an ongoing mystery. 636 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,520 How could it be that an object, 637 00:32:17,550 --> 00:32:19,210 an object of unknown origin, 638 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,110 an object that flew in ways 639 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:25,040 that were completely inexplicable to anybody who witnessed it, 640 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600 how there could be such a rapid response 641 00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:31,250 by the military, whether it was the Army or the Air Force. 642 00:32:31,290 --> 00:32:34,500 There's another very interesting case in Australia 643 00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:35,910 outside of the city of Melbourne, 644 00:32:35,950 --> 00:32:38,260 in the south part of Australian in a town called Westall. 645 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:40,710 And this is 1966. 646 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:43,160 This is a really incredible UFO incident. 647 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,030 I had the privilege of visiting Westall myself some years ago 648 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:51,550 and going to the school yard where all of this happened 649 00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:56,140 and the story was, you have, uh, 650 00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:58,450 all the kids run out of the school 651 00:32:58,490 --> 00:33:05,290 because someone saw this UFO coming over the property there. 652 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,530 So you got 200 kids of all ages and teachers. 653 00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:12,710 There were adults and youths that were watching this. 654 00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:16,370 The object, by all of the witness accounts, 655 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,850 either landed or almost landed 656 00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:22,890 on the property, like, very, very low. 657 00:33:23,510 --> 00:33:26,650 In fact, one girl, 658 00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:31,420 she was like in junior high school age, think she was like 12 or 13. 659 00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:34,870 She got the closest to it, and according to the witnesses, 660 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:36,770 like she was not ever seen again. 661 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120 She moved far away after this. 662 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:41,390 That's an odd thing. 663 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:44,360 But what we know for certain, 664 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,640 there was a science teacher named Daniel 665 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,160 who stated that these, look like Australian Air Force, 666 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,060 came to his house, 667 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,060 and they're two of them, 668 00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:00,140 and they absolutely threatened his career 669 00:34:00,170 --> 00:34:02,480 and possibly his freedom 670 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,620 if he was to continue talking about this event. 671 00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:08,520 They made it clear in no uncertain terms. 672 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,080 You're not going to talk about this 673 00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:11,840 or you'll have some serious repercussions. 674 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:14,630 I remember, the military arrived, 675 00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:16,530 the emergency services arrived. 676 00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:19,810 There was a response by police, the fire brigade 677 00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:22,880 by the Civil Defence Organization. 678 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,640 There was a response by the Commonwealth Police. 679 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,410 There is a report from a witness who was a news stringer at the time 680 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,310 that a cordon was thrown up around the streets of Westall, 681 00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:39,210 by, uh, police officers in uniforms 682 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:41,250 that were a little unknown to him 683 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,840 using vehicles that were a little unknown to him, 684 00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:47,800 but they looked like police officers and police vehicles. 685 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,810 And when he returned to the TV station later that day, 686 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,430 he was informed that, yes, they were Commonwealth police officers, 687 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:56,570 not Victorian state police officers, 688 00:34:56,610 --> 00:34:59,090 the Commonwealth police officers. 689 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:02,790 So it looked like there was some involvement at that level as well. 690 00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:22,870 Japan Airlines Flight 1628 691 00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:26,120 en route to Tokyo from Paris when the crew noticed 692 00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:29,880 two UFOs with flowing lights, which flew next to the plane 693 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,680 in patterns and speeds which were unachievable 694 00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:34,820 with modern aviation. 695 00:35:34,850 --> 00:35:39,300 Controller had asked the military man, Do you see anything? 696 00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:41,650 The military guy says, Yes, I have a target 697 00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:44,170 at such and such. One o'clock and eight miles 698 00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:47,490 from the Japanese pilot, 747. 699 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,010 The military man said something like, uh, 700 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,250 Yeah, I see him 35 miles north of, uh, Anchorage, 701 00:35:56,290 --> 00:36:01,460 and who's that at eleven or one o'clock in his position? 702 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:05,400 The FAA controller said, uh, I don't have anybody. You have anybody? 703 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:09,780 He said, It's not mine. And he came back and said, We have no traffic here. 704 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:12,410 And a couple of times during the operation, 705 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,170 the Japanese pilot would say 706 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,450 He's now at eleven o'clock, he's now at one o'clock, he's now at three o'clock, 707 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,530 and he's bouncing around just right here, and... 708 00:36:19,570 --> 00:36:22,160 Well, he would say that the military guy would cut in and say, 709 00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:25,420 He's now at two o'clock, three o'clock, and he would confirm the position. 710 00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:29,870 The military controller has what they call height finding radar 711 00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:32,530 and they have long-range radar and short-range radar. 712 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,530 So, if they don't catch it on one of their systems, they catch it on the other. 713 00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:39,190 And if you listen to the military man 714 00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:44,510 at one time, he said, I have it on the height radar or my range radar, 715 00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:45,720 whatever he called it, 716 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:48,960 which indicated that he had a target on his system. 717 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,170 Ours wouldn't record it. 718 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:56,660 While they... They ran through for the best part of 31 minutes, 719 00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:58,900 the UFO would be in one position 720 00:36:58,940 --> 00:37:02,870 and the other following Japanese 747. 721 00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:06,080 After a while, uh, they changed his altitude. 722 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,320 It still stayed with him. They gave him a 360. 723 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,670 When you're a 747 and you make a 360, 724 00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:12,570 it takes you a few minutes to turn around. 725 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,330 You cover a lot of space. 726 00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:17,560 It still stayed with him. It was either in the front, or the side or behind him. 727 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,680 ...210, I approve 1628 to make deviations 728 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:23,480 as necessary for traffic. The traffic stayed with 1628 729 00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:27,340 through turns and descents in the vicinity of Fairbanks. 730 00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:29,030 It's another very interesting... 731 00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:32,180 We can call this a Men In Black incident in a way. 732 00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:35,460 And by the way, relating to that encounter, 733 00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:36,940 good old Philip J. Klass, 734 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:41,390 was able to work his way with his organization, which is called CSICOP, 735 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:44,290 the Committee... Scientific Committee to Investigate Claims 736 00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:45,640 of the Paranormal. 737 00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:48,330 They have a different name now. 738 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,440 And they were able to get a piece in The New York Times. 739 00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:54,060 You know, during all of that, to debunk the whole thing and say, 740 00:37:54,090 --> 00:37:55,720 Well, it's just the planet Jupiter. 741 00:37:55,850 --> 00:37:58,820 You guys don't know what you're seeing. You made a big mistake. 742 00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:02,340 But in 1986, we have an interesting occurrence. 743 00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:04,590 On November 17th of that year, there was a flight called 744 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:07,800 JAL, Japan Airlines, Flight 1628 745 00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:11,460 from Tokyo, and they were going over the... 746 00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:14,630 Over like in the Arctic Circle area, actually, flying down 747 00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:16,390 over the state of Alaska, 748 00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:20,090 when this entire 29-minute recorded incident occurred 749 00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:26,230 in which this airliner was accosted 750 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:31,720 by an enormous, absolutely enormous object. 751 00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:34,930 That, uh, there's drawings of it by the pilot, 752 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,070 whose name was, uh, Kenju Terauchi. 753 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:42,660 And uh, it's almost like this massive, like the planet Saturn 754 00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:45,940 it's like this big, big, roundish object. 755 00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:49,080 They're watching and they're scared out of their mind, 756 00:38:49,110 --> 00:38:51,570 and they've got it on their airborne radar. 757 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,120 It's... Ground radar also is tracking this thing. 758 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,060 And, uh, as I recall, at least one other airliner in the area, 759 00:38:59,090 --> 00:39:01,060 saw this thing visually. 760 00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:04,060 There is lots of data points here. 761 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,270 What's interesting about this case is that they're flying side by side, 762 00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:11,310 this gigantic object, and it releases a smaller object. 763 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:12,860 Or at least I think it must release it 764 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,450 because the smaller object gets in front of their cockpit. 765 00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:18,970 And in fact, it's... It's two of them... 766 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:21,940 where this... 767 00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:25,500 The cockpit is bathed in this green light for a while. 768 00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:28,330 But as they're flying, these objects are pacing them. 769 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,910 Like they're in front of the cockpit. 770 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,400 With maneuverability that's... 771 00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:35,850 Like, there's no way to explain how these objects 772 00:39:35,890 --> 00:39:38,750 could do the things that they're doing. 773 00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:41,750 Uh, they eventually depart. You can imagine the fear. 774 00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:44,580 So, Terauchi is getting permission 775 00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:47,210 to try to move his aircraft differently 776 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,310 just to get away from this thing. 777 00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:53,320 And the entire experience lasted for 29 minutes. 778 00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:55,150 In terms of the actual observation. 779 00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:57,390 The next day, 780 00:39:57,420 --> 00:40:01,570 I get a call from someone with the scientific study group 781 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,360 or the CIA, I'm not sure who was it the first time. 782 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,190 And they want to know, uh... 783 00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:08,750 They had some questions about the incident, 784 00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:11,920 and I had said, I don't know what you're talking about. 785 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200 You'd probably want to call the Admiral. 786 00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:16,440 Few minutes later, the Admiral calls down and says, 787 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,030 I set up a... 788 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,890 A briefing tomorrow morning at nine or ten o'clock, whatever it was. 789 00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:22,010 In the round room, 790 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,520 bring all the stuff you have, bring everybody up there 791 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,010 and give them whatever they want. 792 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,350 So that's interesting enough. In the aftermath of that, 793 00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:33,530 there was an FAA, Federal Aviation Administration meeting, 794 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,530 where they are discussing this, they've got all the radar data. 795 00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:38,530 In this meeting, 796 00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:40,740 this is now according to one of the men who attended, 797 00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:43,130 his name is John Callahan. He was an FAA, 798 00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:46,440 a senior official with the Federal Aviation Administration. 799 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:49,440 And so what happened, according to Callahan's 800 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,130 very vivid, explicit testimony, 801 00:40:53,650 --> 00:40:56,310 was that at one point, these two men 802 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,620 in dark suits enter the room. 803 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,660 No one knows where they're from. 804 00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:02,900 Is it assumed that they're from CIA? 805 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:06,670 I don't think that's ever made clear where these guys are from, 806 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,670 but there they come in and they confiscate 807 00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:12,290 all of the data. 808 00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:15,160 They are warning everyone, 809 00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:19,440 You are never, ever, ever going to talk about this ever again. 810 00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:20,990 We're taking all of your evidence. 811 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:22,850 Callahan kept his copy. 812 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:24,720 That was the thing. He didn't give it up. 813 00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:26,820 He didn't let them know, they didn't ask. 814 00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:29,720 I don't think they asked him directly for it. 815 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,620 And he just kind of slid below the radar, 816 00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:33,380 as it were in this meeting, 817 00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:36,800 and left with it with his copy of the radar data. 818 00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:41,670 And it was, uh, 13 years later, I think, 819 00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,080 from... In the late '90s, 820 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,390 where he is interviewed by Steven Greer 821 00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:47,710 of the disclosure project at that time 822 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:49,500 and told his story. 823 00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:51,640 Uh, and so, what you've got here 824 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,370 is another incident of... 825 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,020 Very clear this is... 826 00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:57,060 This is not a paranormal Men In Black experience 827 00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,620 by any means. This is... These are government guys. 828 00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:03,070 These are spooks who are confiscating the evidence. 829 00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,520 Now, who are they? 830 00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:07,520 Are they CIA? Are they NSA? Are they something else? 831 00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:11,870 Are they from the Majestic 12, or whatever, whatever, 832 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:15,110 you know, comparable organization it would be to Majestic 12. 833 00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:18,840 Maybe it's called Zodiac. That's a very possible... That's a big possibility. 834 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,840 But they're from a group 835 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,780 that their job was to take that UFO data. 836 00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:27,540 And Callahan is really worth listening to. 837 00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:30,440 He's a very... He's a very upfront, 838 00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:32,580 extremely candid, very articulate, 839 00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:34,410 very smart man. 840 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,450 And he's got the credibility 841 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,790 and the background to back up what he said. 842 00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:41,800 That's the thing that makes him so compelling. 843 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,660 When they read the reports that come through, 844 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:48,630 the FAA has to protect themselves. 845 00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:51,150 You can't say, you saw a target, 846 00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:52,600 even though this is what he said, 847 00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:55,460 so they made him change his report 848 00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:56,780 to position symbols, 849 00:42:56,810 --> 00:43:00,120 which makes it sound like it wasn't really a target. 850 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,060 Well, if that's not a target than a lot of the other position symbols 851 00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:05,230 that we're separating from our targets either. 852 00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:07,930 When I read that, I thought that is something fishy here, 853 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,930 that somebody's worried about something rather than trying to cover up. 854 00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:14,620 Who did the Men In Black work for? 855 00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:20,560 CIA, the FBI, the NSA, something else entirely? 856 00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:23,910 Even in the military, the Men In Black are a mystery. 857 00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:26,560 Over the years, encounters with Men In Black 858 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,260 have decreased as their legend has grown 859 00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:31,220 even into pop culture. 860 00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:33,260 No longer are you interrogated 861 00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:35,330 and threatened by a government spook 862 00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:40,060 or a nameless agent from an unknown cabal of organizations. 863 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:43,890 As proxies continue debunking and smearing credible witnesses, 864 00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:46,310 the Men In Black have evolved their technique 865 00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:49,660 to control the narrative through misinformation. 866 00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:52,000 Literally, fake news. 867 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,040 Take Richard Doty, former special agent of the Air Force, 868 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,220 who was tasked with infiltrating the UFO community 869 00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:03,330 to instill doubt and misinformation of UFO encounters. 870 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,160 Men In Black have always been present in the UFO community 871 00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:10,060 since back in the '50s and '60s, 872 00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:12,370 and if the sighting 873 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,750 or a report of a sighting or acquisition of photographs 874 00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:19,720 were important to the government, 875 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,210 the UF... The MIB, Men In Black would show up 876 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,660 trying to obtain what information these witnesses had 877 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,250 regarding the sighting or the acquisition of photographs. 878 00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:34,110 If they took some photographs, 879 00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:38,120 uh, the MIB would show up, trying to get those photographs. 880 00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:43,950 Ever since the '50s, people started to see, uh... 881 00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:45,950 Started seeing flying objects, 882 00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:47,990 reporting flying objects. 883 00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:52,480 Um, depending on the accuracy and the credibility 884 00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:55,690 of the people that observe these objects. 885 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,450 Uh, and depending on what the government knew about, 886 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,560 what those sightings were, 887 00:45:01,590 --> 00:45:05,390 uh, it would be dependent on whether the government went out 888 00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:10,600 and got the information or tried to quiet the people, 889 00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:12,390 the witnesses that saw it. 890 00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:15,120 Uh, so... But... But it's happened. 891 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,990 It's real, it's a controversial subject matter 892 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:22,510 both within the public and within the government. 893 00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:25,060 But, um, my knowledge is I've worked... 894 00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:28,310 I've actually been involved in the Men In Black, 895 00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:30,140 and we didn't call it Men In Black, 896 00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:33,310 but there were people within a certain agency 897 00:45:33,350 --> 00:45:34,730 within the government. 898 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,700 Um, the Air Force Special Activities Center. 899 00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:41,800 Uh, they're the ones that control these Men In Black. 900 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:47,050 It was a unit stationed at Fort Belvoir, uh, Virginia, 901 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,430 that dealt with uh, obtaining information from witnesses. 902 00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:55,540 Uh, but I've... 903 00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:57,850 The controversy, of course, centers around 904 00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:59,890 how these Men In Black, 905 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,720 number one, who they were? Number two, 906 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,930 how they obtained the information from witnesses? 907 00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:09,420 And number three, what they... Where that information went 908 00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:12,770 after they... After the Men In Black got the information? 909 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,490 Now, these... These Men In Black, as you call them, 910 00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:19,670 uh, that are prominent within the UFO community 911 00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:21,770 are... They have a mission. 912 00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:23,980 They're assigned to an intelligence unit. 913 00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:27,230 Uh, they're given a mission to go out and interview these witnesses 914 00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:30,370 that saw this, or that already reported 915 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,030 a sighting or collection of data, pictures, so forth. 916 00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:36,820 Evidence. 917 00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:39,070 And so they're out there on a mission. 918 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,450 Now, how they operate that from that point on 919 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,800 uh, is really up to them. 920 00:46:44,830 --> 00:46:48,150 How are they gonna get that information? If you're the... 921 00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:52,530 If you're the witness and uh, we've tried 922 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,050 officially, where two Air Force officers 923 00:46:57,090 --> 00:46:58,570 come to you in uniform, 924 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,400 not the Men In Black, but in uniform, 925 00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:02,850 come to you and say, 926 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,330 Hi, we're from the United States Air Force. 927 00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:08,680 And I understand you have pictures of something 928 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,310 that you saw last week 929 00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:14,550 and we would like to see them because we think that... 930 00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:16,550 those pictures 931 00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:19,350 could be of a classified project. 932 00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:22,250 So we would... We would like you 933 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,530 to show them to us. 934 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,080 Well, if you say, They're my pictures, I took them. 935 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,700 I don't have anything. You're military. 936 00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:31,330 You have no jurisdiction over me. 937 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,500 No, bye. And so, the Air Force officers leave. 938 00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:37,130 The next day or two days or three days later, 939 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,920 you're visited by two other men. 940 00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:40,780 I'm U.S. Government credentials. 941 00:47:40,820 --> 00:47:41,960 And I... 942 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:45,370 And you took pictures of a classified aircraft 943 00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:47,310 yesterday or whenever, 944 00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:49,970 and we need to look at those pictures. 945 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,690 And you only have one way of doing this. 946 00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:53,280 You have to turn them over to us 947 00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:55,520 or we're gonna go to the court of law. 948 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,040 or some other threat. 949 00:47:58,180 --> 00:48:03,700 So, those are the type of operations that I've seen. 950 00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:05,770 Uh, been involved with. 951 00:48:05,810 --> 00:48:10,160 Um, whether they eventually turn it over. 952 00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:12,260 If they don't, there's other means 953 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,020 that they can... They can use. 954 00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:17,200 But there's other ways. A surreptitious entry into your home. 955 00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:21,130 You come home one night from the movies, or going out for dinner 956 00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:23,760 and you come home and you find, 957 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:27,930 your house to be perfectly the way that you left it, 958 00:48:27,970 --> 00:48:30,630 except that where those pictures were stored, 959 00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:32,350 the pictures are gone. 960 00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:34,560 Or the opposite will happen. 961 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,190 You come home, the window will be broken, 962 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:39,150 We had a burglar. 963 00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:42,950 And they stole this, they stole my television 964 00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:46,060 they stole this. Oh, and also stole those pictures. 965 00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:50,030 Now it looks like a burglar. 966 00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:52,860 So you call the local police, you tell local police. 967 00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:55,790 And the local police, is going to say, Well, so you had pictures taken, 968 00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:57,810 you know, there's nothing we can do about that. 969 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,780 Paul Bennewitz, was a successful entrepreneur 970 00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:20,230 and scientist who lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 971 00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:23,850 There, he unintentionally stumbled into radio transmissions 972 00:49:23,890 --> 00:49:27,890 from a secret military base just beyond the border of his city. 973 00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:31,620 Later, this base would become known as Dulce Base. 974 00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:35,550 Bennewitz was then contacted and influenced by Richard Doty. 975 00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:38,070 Little did he know he would become a victim 976 00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:40,630 of a mass misinformation campaign 977 00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:42,460 that would end in tragedy. 978 00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:48,330 Now, there is one person who has called himself 979 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,780 a Man In Black, who's very well known 980 00:49:51,810 --> 00:49:54,470 in the UFO community and that is Richard Doty. 981 00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:59,230 And Richard Doty, was a member of the Air Force Office 982 00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:02,860 of Special Investigation, AFOSI. 983 00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:06,650 It's like the Air Force's, their version of the CIA, 984 00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:08,380 you can say, their intelligence agency. 985 00:50:08,410 --> 00:50:14,080 Part of his job was to protect U.S. Air Force technology, 986 00:50:14,110 --> 00:50:16,110 secrets, and things like this. 987 00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:20,250 And one of the things that the Air Force would do 988 00:50:20,290 --> 00:50:23,600 to protect those secrets is... 989 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,050 Like, there's one instance that I know Doty has talked about 990 00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:30,020 in which there is a crash of a... 991 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,720 A secret experimental aircraft, 992 00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:36,790 and witnesses actually had photographed it. 993 00:50:36,820 --> 00:50:40,580 And you have a situation of AFOSI going to meet 994 00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:42,930 with these witnesses or this witness, 995 00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:44,760 and to say, Look, this is a UFO, 996 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,590 or let... Let them believe it was a UFO 997 00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:48,250 and confiscate the images. 998 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,660 Rather than let them know, 999 00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:52,200 Yeah, you actually photographed something that we're building 1000 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,200 that we don't want anyone to know about. 1001 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,670 Don't you think it's a UFO? 1002 00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,710 Did you ever see a craft operated like that? 1003 00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:02,090 You just have to put that idea in your minds, 1004 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,780 And I go back to the Paul Bennewitz, uh, case... 1005 00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:08,090 which I was intimately involved with. 1006 00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:10,410 Um, Paul was already a believer 1007 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,100 and what he was doing, he was taking pictures 1008 00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:17,100 of the U.S. Air Force highly classified drone projects. 1009 00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:19,490 The project was highly classified. 1010 00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:21,630 I went to Paul, 1011 00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:25,110 and Paul was already a believer, he was already a member of MUFON. 1012 00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:27,040 So it was very easy for him... 1013 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,600 For me, I said, What do you think it is, Paul? 1014 00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:32,190 He said, I think it is UFO. I think it's alien craft. 1015 00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:34,050 I said, You know what? 1016 00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:35,400 Could very well be. 1017 00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:37,880 That's all I had to say. 1018 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,750 And Paul ran with it, and believed it. 1019 00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:43,130 And the rest is... Is history. 1020 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,480 You know, you can believe this or not, 1021 00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:48,620 at least some of those things that witnesses photographed 1022 00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:51,830 were not ours, and they were not Russian. 1023 00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,210 So there were instances, according to him, 1024 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,760 this is my understanding, in which... 1025 00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:00,970 There are objects that were not from here, but they... 1026 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:03,530 wanted that information as well. 1027 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,700 Now, again, is this true or not, who knows? 1028 00:52:05,740 --> 00:52:09,260 uh, we were able to... And this isn't classified anymore. 1029 00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:12,300 One of the things that Paul Bennewitz had also, uh, 1030 00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:17,510 kind of stumbled into by recording signals 1031 00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:20,100 was our ability to shoot a laser 1032 00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:26,170 uh, at a ground based laser station up into space. 1033 00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:29,140 And as the Soviet satellite came over, 1034 00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:32,040 that laser would hit the lens 1035 00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:34,530 and blind the satellite 1036 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,770 while it's going over a certain base preventing that 1037 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,150 satellite to take pictures of the base. 1038 00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:42,460 Now, there was a satellite base, 1039 00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:45,160 Kirtland Air Force Base and one at Groom Lake. 1040 00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:47,300 There was actually two out at Groom Lake 1041 00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:50,610 and one at different locations. 1042 00:52:50,650 --> 00:52:52,340 And that's when every time 1043 00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:54,820 a Soviet satellite would come over, 1044 00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:57,340 they'd shoot that laser up and blind it. 1045 00:52:57,380 --> 00:53:00,480 So they wouldn't be able to take a picture of what was on the ground. 1046 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,930 But here's what we know about Mr. Bennewitz. 1047 00:53:02,970 --> 00:53:04,380 He was a very smart, 1048 00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:07,490 capable defense contractor, lived in Albuquerque, 1049 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,220 right by Kirtland Air Force Base 1050 00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:12,080 by the Manzano weapons storage facility, 1051 00:53:12,110 --> 00:53:13,770 which was very important. 1052 00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:16,980 And his office was right across from there, 1053 00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:20,680 and he witnessed things that were, he believed, 1054 00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:22,920 were very strange. We're talking, um... 1055 00:53:23,540 --> 00:53:25,200 1979, 1980. 1056 00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:29,300 And Bennewitz was a real patriot. 1057 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,140 And he contacted the Air Force. 1058 00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:37,140 He said, Look, I'm recording things over there that are... 1059 00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:40,630 They... These are like UFOs. And he openly told them, 1060 00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:42,490 I think we're talking November 1980. 1061 00:53:43,870 --> 00:53:46,840 And this is when Doty gets alerted to this 1062 00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:48,940 and he is sent along with other individuals. 1063 00:53:48,970 --> 00:53:51,030 Doty's not the only one. They go to visit Bennewitz 1064 00:53:51,070 --> 00:53:52,830 to find out, like, What does this guy have? 1065 00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:56,440 And the reality, apparently, is that 1066 00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:59,440 Doty and Bennewitz became genuine friends. 1067 00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:04,580 Um, I mean, probably his job was to befriend Bennewitz, 1068 00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:07,580 but I... I do think that they actually ended up liking each other. 1069 00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:09,970 But Doty was working Bennewitz 1070 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,350 and his job, absolutely, was to protect any secrets 1071 00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:17,490 that the folks over at Kirtland needed him to protect. 1072 00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:19,010 That was his job. 1073 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,630 So, you know, according to how Doty has often told this story, 1074 00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:27,400 and I think this part we can say is true. 1075 00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:32,750 Bennewitz was a very, very strong UFO believer to start with. 1076 00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:35,410 And even before he was seeing things over by Kirtland, 1077 00:54:36,850 --> 00:54:40,580 um, he was involved in at least one, 1078 00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:42,930 let's call it an investigation 1079 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,930 of a cattle mutilation incident and abduction, 1080 00:54:45,970 --> 00:54:48,730 uh, relating to a woman named Myrna Hansen, 1081 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,520 who went through hypnotic regression, 1082 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,800 uh, I believe in fact, by Dr. Leo Sprinkle, 1083 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,250 who's a very well known individual in this, 1084 00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:58,220 and Bennewitz was there and they... 1085 00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:59,600 And Myrna Hansen was regressed 1086 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,540 and she gave a very detailed, very detailed account 1087 00:55:03,570 --> 00:55:07,260 of being taken to an underground facility. 1088 00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:09,270 It's, like, very heavy duty stuff. 1089 00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:14,750 So Bennewitz was deeply involved in all of this. 1090 00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:16,520 Then he sees all of... 1091 00:55:16,550 --> 00:55:18,030 You know, he sees things, 1092 00:55:18,070 --> 00:55:22,000 and he's recording, uh, emissions that he believes 1093 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,180 are like a form of alien communication. 1094 00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:29,150 So with that, Doty and his team go to talk to Bennewitz. 1095 00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:30,740 And, um, 1096 00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:36,740 did Doty explicitly give Bennewitz false information? 1097 00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:39,090 Or did he show Bennewitz things 1098 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,370 and let Bennewitz draw his own conclusions? 1099 00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:45,160 I think definitely the latter happened, 1100 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,510 and maybe some of the former happened also. 1101 00:55:48,550 --> 00:55:52,930 Um, for example, there is one story where... 1102 00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:57,310 Where Doty took Bennewitz. to, uh, Dulce, New Mexico. 1103 00:55:57,350 --> 00:56:02,350 Now, Dulce has a legitimate history of bizarre 1104 00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:05,670 cattle mutilations and UFO activity. 1105 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:07,700 I've been there myself. And, in fact, I spoke to 1106 00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:10,780 members of the Gomez family in Dulce some years ago. 1107 00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:13,950 This is a family that lost, I think, over 50 head of cattle 1108 00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:16,300 to mutilations during that period of time. 1109 00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:21,510 Um, there's reason to think that it might be beyond human, 1110 00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:23,680 and there's reason to think that there are definitely 1111 00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:26,340 human intelligence operators there as well. 1112 00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:30,380 There's a lot of strange things that happened over at Dulce. 1113 00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:32,730 So, and over at Dulce, you've got 1114 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,320 Mount Archuleta and Archuleta Peak. 1115 00:56:35,350 --> 00:56:37,110 Uh, yeah, I think that's it. 1116 00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:40,320 So, there's these two large structures there, 1117 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:46,500 and there have long been rumors of underground facilities there. 1118 00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:48,610 And, um... 1119 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,400 And in fact, I think that there probably were 1120 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,060 underground facilities there. 1121 00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:55,410 I recall distinctly speaking to Edmundo Gomez many years ago 1122 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,820 who was the son of... 1123 00:56:57,860 --> 00:57:00,170 Of, um, the senior Gomez at the time, 1124 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,930 and Edmundo told me, he said, Look, in the early '70s, 1125 00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:07,070 we could hear all kinds of construction sounds coming out of there 1126 00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:09,110 and we all believed, he said, that there was 1127 00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:11,530 some kind of construction going on at Dulce. 1128 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,250 That's his opinion. 1129 00:57:13,290 --> 00:57:16,910 In any case, Doty, uh, at one point takes Bennewitz 1130 00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:19,090 either on a helicopter or aircraft, 1131 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,290 I can't remember which, 1132 00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:24,710 and they fly around Archuleta Peak, and... 1133 00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:28,300 And Bennewitz draws the conclusion 1134 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:30,860 that there is an underground base there. 1135 00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:34,930 And, uh, according... I think this is how, uh, Greg Bishop wrote about this 1136 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,210 in his study of this called Project Beta, 1137 00:57:38,170 --> 00:57:40,490 uh, that there were, like... 1138 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,730 Like these fake artifacts put up by the Air Force 1139 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,790 to make Bennewitz think 1140 00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:45,880 that there was all of this activity going on 1141 00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:48,770 and make him think there was a big UFO thing happening there. 1142 00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:51,880 Uh, and also to lead him away 1143 00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:53,640 from his fixation on Kirtland 1144 00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:55,920 to get him to look at Dulce. 1145 00:57:55,950 --> 00:57:57,160 That was part of this, 1146 00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:59,300 at least according to Bishop's research. 1147 00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:28,120 On December 26, 1980, 1148 00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:31,160 Great Britain's most notorious UFO incident 1149 00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:33,850 occurred at a United States Air Force base 1150 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,850 in Rendlesham Forest. 1151 00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:38,960 Security personnel Jim Penniston, 1152 00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:42,340 John Burroughs and Edward Cabansag 1153 00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,310 were alerted by radio that a UFO was seen 1154 00:58:45,340 --> 00:58:49,070 moving in the forest on the perimeter of the base. 1155 00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:52,110 They made their way out to the edge of the forest 1156 00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:53,840 and as they made their way in, 1157 00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:56,290 eventually they stood right in front 1158 00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,530 of something they could only describe as being from out of this world. 1159 00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:03,400 This small triangular metallic craft 1160 00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:06,570 had strange symbols etched into its surface. 1161 00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:10,990 It emanated a vibrant glow that lit up the canopy of the forest, 1162 00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:13,230 and it was almost soundless. 1163 00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:16,510 It is said that the craft took off in an instant 1164 00:59:16,550 --> 00:59:17,890 from the forest floor 1165 00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:21,520 as if it disappeared into the night sky before them. 1166 00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:25,830 These three eye witnesses made their way back to the base by car, 1167 00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:29,910 where many other observers of the UFO were stationed. 1168 00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:32,740 As they arrived, they were surprised to have 1169 00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:35,880 men in civilian clothing waiting for them. 1170 00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:38,570 And to quote John Burroughs, 1171 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,850 There were gentlemen there with sunglasses, 1172 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,850 who took Jim and Ed off somewhere. 1173 00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:48,550 We no longer saw them after we traded in our weapons, 1174 00:59:48,580 --> 00:59:52,550 and I felt betrayed because they wouldn't talk to me anymore. 1175 00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:55,620 What was said to them to clam them up so tight? 1176 00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:58,210 I have no idea. 1177 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,180 This story follows an age old pattern 1178 01:00:01,210 --> 01:00:03,770 of a prominent Men In Black cover up. 1179 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,250 A UFO incident occurs. 1180 01:00:06,290 --> 01:00:09,430 Experiencers witness something that shouldn't exist 1181 01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:12,290 in our conventionally understood reality. 1182 01:00:12,330 --> 01:00:15,500 A meeting then follows between these experiencers 1183 01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:18,330 and the Men In Black which strikes fear in them 1184 01:00:18,370 --> 01:00:22,440 to never speak about what they saw or experienced. 1185 01:00:38,420 --> 01:00:40,700 I served in the United States Air Force 1186 01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:44,600 for six years from 1992 to 1998. 1187 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,990 First three years were at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska, 1188 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:53,200 and the other three years were at Fort George G. Meade 1189 01:00:53,230 --> 01:00:55,680 in Maryland, the home of NSA. 1190 01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,550 Now, my role for NSA was as a computer technician, 1191 01:01:00,580 --> 01:01:03,550 primarily systems and network administration 1192 01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:06,450 for a specific surveillance crew. 1193 01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:11,390 I cannot get into specifics of what exactly we were surveilling, 1194 01:01:11,420 --> 01:01:14,700 uh, but essentially, I offered computer support 1195 01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:18,010 for those that were performing this function. 1196 01:01:18,050 --> 01:01:20,880 Of course, I had a top secret clearance. 1197 01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:24,570 A, uh, TS/SCI clearance specifically, 1198 01:01:24,610 --> 01:01:27,440 and that is very compartmentalized. 1199 01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:31,030 Now, on occasion, we did have a need 1200 01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:36,930 to, uh, exit, uh, the NSA campus and go to an off-site location. 1201 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,210 And there are a plethora of these types of locations 1202 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,970 across the country. 1203 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,390 And these locations were basically hidden in plain sight. 1204 01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:52,500 You know, they would be at, uh, you know, just small, 1205 01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:55,500 you know, maybe strip malls that were out of the way. 1206 01:01:55,530 --> 01:01:57,810 So they just had some local businesses, 1207 01:01:57,850 --> 01:02:00,500 uh, some different offices, that sort of thing. 1208 01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:03,610 And when we would have to go to these locations, 1209 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:07,030 we could not arrive in our military attire. 1210 01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:10,100 Uh, they did not want it to be known 1211 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:13,520 that this was actually a, uh, government operation 1212 01:02:13,550 --> 01:02:15,040 and the military was involved. 1213 01:02:15,070 --> 01:02:17,660 So we were required, as protocol, 1214 01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:21,280 to dress in black suits and a tie 1215 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,980 to go to these locations. 1216 01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:59,670 ...being interrogated. I just don't. And I don't know if... 1217 01:03:12,990 --> 01:03:15,610 I don't know. I mean, I, I don't know. 1218 01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:18,510 Was that, uh... Was that an MIB experience? 1219 01:03:18,550 --> 01:03:20,960 You know, black helicopters, uh. 1220 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,040 You know, military, uh, abductions that happen sometimes. 1221 01:03:24,070 --> 01:03:25,900 People are taken and then they talk about 1222 01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:28,520 them being visited by, you know, military personnel 1223 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,350 and re, debriefed about their abduction. 1224 01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:32,630 So, Dan Aykroyd, the actor, the comedian, 1225 01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:35,770 has a very interesting story about Men In Black as well, 1226 01:03:35,810 --> 01:03:40,290 and, um, it's funny I have my own little oblique connection to this. 1227 01:03:40,330 --> 01:03:42,120 Very, very small. 1228 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,230 But in 2002, Dan Aykroyd had a TV show called Out There. 1229 01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:48,100 And, uh, it was a UFO show. 1230 01:03:48,130 --> 01:03:49,370 Dan Aykroyd, of course, 1231 01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:51,680 everyone knows Dan Aykroyd is very interested in UFOs. 1232 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:52,960 He's very knowledgeable. 1233 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,790 He knows this field, he's very sophisticated with it. 1234 01:03:56,830 --> 01:04:00,900 And he wanted to do a serious treatment of the UFO subject. 1235 01:04:02,490 --> 01:04:06,010 And in fact, uh, this is 2002, and I was, uh... 1236 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,840 I was one of the new guys in the field at that time, 1237 01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:13,500 and I had, actually, myself gotten a communication from his team, 1238 01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:16,610 and they were interested in interviewing me for this show. 1239 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,670 So I was excited. I thought, Oh, this is awesome! 1240 01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:21,990 I'll get to... Maybe I'll get to meet Dan Aykroyd. 1241 01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:24,750 Uh, and then I discovered, no, the show fell through no more, 1242 01:04:24,790 --> 01:04:26,240 and I won't get my opportunity. 1243 01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:30,830 So what's interesting is that, uh, the day that that show was canceled, 1244 01:04:30,860 --> 01:04:33,040 has a very interesting story. 1245 01:04:33,070 --> 01:04:35,900 So according to what Aykroyd said, he's out taking a break, 1246 01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:37,560 having a smoke outside. 1247 01:04:38,590 --> 01:04:44,010 And there's a very unsettling man, in black, 1248 01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:46,640 who's at some distance, 1249 01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:49,740 but I don't think that far, who's staring at him. 1250 01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:51,570 It's unsettling to Aykroyd. 1251 01:04:51,610 --> 01:04:55,160 The man is dressed in black, he's got a car, a black car. 1252 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,890 He looks away and then looks over. 1253 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,860 And the man and the car are gone. 1254 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,550 Um, apparently in such a way 1255 01:05:02,580 --> 01:05:03,930 that it didn't make sense to him, 1256 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,760 that it just disappeared in such a way. 1257 01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:09,000 Right after that, 1258 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,630 right after that, he's back inside. 1259 01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:13,080 He gets a phone call from his producer, 1260 01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:16,110 who tells him, without an explanation, by the way, 1261 01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:17,430 that the show's been canceled. 1262 01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:19,260 No more shooting. It's over. 1263 01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:20,980 End of story. 1264 01:05:21,260 --> 01:05:22,430 Big mystery. 1265 01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:23,630 So it was, Oh, hi, Britney. 1266 01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:25,290 Sure. Oh, of course, I'd love to do... 1267 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:26,420 Guy gives me a dirty look. 1268 01:05:26,460 --> 01:05:27,490 Oh, well, sure. 1269 01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:28,530 Car gone. 1270 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,570 That's what happened. 1271 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,990 And, uh, then two hours later, 1272 01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:34,860 uh, we were told that we were not to continue taping 1273 01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:36,990 and the show was canceled and none of them would air. 1274 01:05:37,890 --> 01:05:40,480 I don't know. I mean, I... I don't know. 1275 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,380 Was that, uh... Was that an MIB experience? 1276 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,040 So there's a very interesting, let's say, creepy, 1277 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:53,360 uh, video that is available of two apparent Men In Black. 1278 01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:56,090 Uh, and this has to do with, uh, 1279 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,640 an event that took place at Niagara Falls. 1280 01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:00,910 Now, I don't know the date of this. 1281 01:06:00,950 --> 01:06:04,270 The video itself was posted to YouTube in 2013, 1282 01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:06,960 and it's very interesting. 1283 01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,220 So, what you have is a situation where a... 1284 01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:25,870 A hotel employee at Niagara Falls, 1285 01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:30,080 uh, the night before had sh... 1286 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,500 Apparently had shot a very impressive video 1287 01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:37,400 of a vivid and, I think, large UFO 1288 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,090 over Niagara Falls. 1289 01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:41,610 The very next day called in sick. 1290 01:06:41,650 --> 01:06:46,070 And on that day that he'd called in sick, uh, 1291 01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:48,380 there are these very two odd men, 1292 01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:50,000 very intimidating-looking men 1293 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,730 and all of this is caught on the hotel, uh, security camera. 1294 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,010 And it's interesting because you see all the hotel traffic, 1295 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,420 people coming in and out, out of the hotel. 1296 01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:02,880 And then you see these two very, fairly large men 1297 01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:06,120 in these big black trench coats with hats. 1298 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,430 And the... At least one of the people there is, like, 1299 01:07:09,470 --> 01:07:11,880 obviously intimidated by them and walks away. 1300 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,610 You can see that in the video. 1301 01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:15,890 So, they go in. 1302 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,410 And furthermore, when you see, at least to my view, 1303 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,960 one of them walked in a very odd way. 1304 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,170 Like his feet were not positioned 1305 01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:25,930 in the way that you would normally see. 1306 01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:28,280 If you look carefully, like, there, he's... 1307 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,080 His feet are positioned in an odd way. 1308 01:07:30,110 --> 01:07:31,530 In any case, um, 1309 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,080 what's interesting about the video is 1310 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,450 you have one person, primarily, 1311 01:07:36,490 --> 01:07:38,290 but there's two people in this video talking, 1312 01:07:38,430 --> 01:07:40,910 but these are the hotel employees, 1313 01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:43,640 and they're describing what happened in this encounter. 1314 01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:47,270 And, essentially, they come in 1315 01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:51,030 and they're looking for this employee, who's not there. 1316 01:07:51,060 --> 01:07:55,030 And they scare the hell out of this one woman who's working there. 1317 01:07:55,070 --> 01:07:58,410 She gets to deal with these two giant men 1318 01:07:58,450 --> 01:08:00,660 in these big black trench coats 1319 01:08:00,690 --> 01:08:03,140 with these enormous blue eyes 1320 01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:05,350 that never blink, according to her. 1321 01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:08,980 And they're scaring her to death, asking for this guy. 1322 01:08:09,010 --> 01:08:12,290 And she actually just broke down crying during the encounter, 1323 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,400 apparently, uh, according to the person telling the story, 1324 01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:17,540 who was another employee, a coworker of hers. 1325 01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:21,580 Uh, they wanted this film. 1326 01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:23,890 They wanted this video, and they... 1327 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,610 You know, what's... What's very interesting is 1328 01:08:26,650 --> 01:08:30,860 that you've got this recording on a hotel security camera. 1329 01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:33,760 And the only, you know, what, what are the... 1330 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,930 What's going on here? 1331 01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:38,450 It's... It's either a massive hoax 1332 01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:41,320 that the entire hotel staff 1333 01:08:41,350 --> 01:08:44,460 wanted to participate in and create this thing. 1334 01:08:44,490 --> 01:08:47,390 All right, I suppose that's a possibility. 1335 01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:49,190 Or it's true, or it really happened 1336 01:08:49,220 --> 01:08:51,850 the way that it seems to happen. 1337 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,060 And I don't... I don't know what to say about it. 1338 01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:58,540 You know, I don't know, uh, the names of any of the people. 1339 01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:00,510 Have they been interviewed subsequently? 1340 01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:03,410 Do we have names? What happened to the employee? 1341 01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:06,620 What happened to the film that he shot, the video? 1342 01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:09,420 Uh, there's a lot of unanswered questions in this story, 1343 01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:11,690 like, we just have to acknowledge that. 1344 01:09:11,730 --> 01:09:16,630 On the other hand, when you look at this, you listen to it... 1345 01:09:16,660 --> 01:09:19,670 Look, I just have to say, it sounds potentially believable, 1346 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,150 and I have to leave it at that. 1347 01:09:22,190 --> 01:09:27,810 I don't... I don't know what my full determination is on this, for all time, 1348 01:09:27,850 --> 01:09:30,850 but I certainly will admit, it's... 1349 01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:32,370 It catches my imagination. 1350 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,500 It really makes me wonder if it actually did happen. 1351 01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:15,480 UFO encounters have been mired in suppression, 1352 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:21,040 skepticism, and covert tactics, termed, The Truth Embargo. 1353 01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:24,350 This truth has now been considered credible 1354 01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:28,290 and worth investigating by the Department of Defense. 1355 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,430 A recent news release indicates the military 1356 01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:34,920 is again funding research to the UAP 1357 01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:38,820 otherwise known as the UFO phenomenon. 1358 01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:43,990 If there is a long history of information suppression quite evident, 1359 01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:48,690 then should we trust the newfound interest in the UFO phenomenon 1360 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,520 by the U.S. Government? 1361 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:53,170 Should witnesses and experiencers 1362 01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:56,350 be the ones in which we look to for information 1363 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:58,420 regarding this reality? 1364 01:10:58,460 --> 01:11:00,940 Perhaps the government should be the safe place 1365 01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,700 to consider relevant information on the topic. 1366 01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:07,980 If that is the case, then the U.S. Government 1367 01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:10,470 will have to regain the public trust 1368 01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,820 and undo decades of The Truth Embargo 1369 01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:16,440 enacted by the Men In Black. 1370 01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:18,580 The government would have to admit 1371 01:11:18,610 --> 01:11:22,310 to the said suppression of information in the past, 1372 01:11:22,340 --> 01:11:26,830 provide reparations for those targeted by the Men In Black, 1373 01:11:26,860 --> 01:11:29,630 release all the credible documentation 1374 01:11:29,660 --> 01:11:33,150 that has been scrutinized by the U.S. Department of Defense 1375 01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:35,420 over the past 70 years, 1376 01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:38,430 and, finally, provide a clear explanation 1377 01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:40,010 for how this should affect 1378 01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:42,570 everyone's belief system going forward. 1379 01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:44,610 We are not alone. 1380 01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:47,330 The real question is: 1381 01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:50,400 Will the powers that be ever stop using 1382 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:53,610 Men In Black tactics to control the narrative? 1383 01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:15,120 ♪ Just move along 1384 01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:19,430 ♪ And there's really no escape No matter what you do 1385 01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:21,370 ♪ The Men In Black Keep coming back 1386 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,330 ♪ And watching over you 1387 01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,300 ♪ You take the hills 1388 01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:28,130 ♪ And I'll just keep This dusty road 1389 01:12:28,170 --> 01:12:29,650 ♪ Let's get out together 1390 01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:32,170 ♪ While keeping our mouth closed 1391 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,030 Ha-ha. 1392 01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:42,350 ♪ There's really no escape No matter what you do 1393 01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:44,250 ♪ The Men In Black Keep coming back 1394 01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:47,150 ♪ And watching over you 1395 01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:51,190 ♪ You take the hills And I'll just keep This dusty road 1396 01:12:51,220 --> 01:12:55,090 ♪ Let's get out together While keeping our mouth closed 1397 01:13:00,340 --> 01:13:03,200 ♪ Run away 1398 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,790 ♪ The faster 1399 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,040 ♪ The better now 1400 01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:16,490 ♪ Run away 1401 01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:20,390 ♪ The faster you go 1402 01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:24,260 ♪ More will grow 108708

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