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We all have some heroes,
some people that we enjoy.
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Some people have great character.
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Some people have great compassion.
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Some people have great charisma.
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Some people...
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They have a quality where
they're just deeply soulful.
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Imagine if there were those traits
that you might want for yourself.
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ESP NXIVM
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is a methodology
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that allows people to optimize
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their experience and behavior.
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# No love can be #
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# Safe with me #
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# No love can be #
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# Safe with me #
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# No love can be #
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# Safe with me #
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# No love can be #
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# Safe with me #
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All right. So this is, to some degree,
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somewhat of a test.
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I originally wanted to record this
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because I had a very strong
suspicion that I would be attacked
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when I left the organization.
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Attacked could be legally,
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it could be private investigators,
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it could be bugging,
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it could be, you know,
uh, destroying my name.
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It could be a series of things,
and I wanted it to be understood that...
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It was... It's never been my intention
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to try and destroy this organization.
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And some of you that
are still in may think that.
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It's more, uh, uh...
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It's more that I saw
what was really going on.
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And what was really going on
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basically just fucked with my head.
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But we never thought
it would lead to this.
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Okay.
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58-year-old Keith Raniere,
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the former leader of the
upstate New York sex cult NXIVM
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was found guilty on all counts.
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Guilty of racketeering,
guilty of conspiracy,
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wire fraud, and sex trafficking.
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The first question a lot of people have
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when they hear about what he
allegedly did to dozens of women
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is why didn't these women see
what was happening to them?
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Mark Vicente!
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- Let's start again.
- Yeah.
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It's not working. Hold on.
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- # Everybody's talkin' 'bout... #
- No, no, back!
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You could do it. You could do it.
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I was 27,
just turning 28, when I met Mark.
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I was living in Vancouver.
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This is around the time when
I was into setting intentions.
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My boyfriend at the time
was a filmmaker.
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He had made a film
that got accepted into
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the Spiritual Cinema
Circle Festival-at-Sea,
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on a cruise.
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So I set the intention that
I was gonna go on this cruise
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and figure out my purpose in life.
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My real purpose.
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'Cause I was challenged
in my relationship,
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challenged in my career.
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I had this idea that maybe
I'd become a famous actor
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and use my celebrity to have a voice,
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or have impact in the world.
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It... That wasn't happening.
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Oh, yes. Yes.
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That was like beer commercials.
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TV shows about vampires.
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Blood on my taffeta, Carl. Blood!
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Well, you were going to
the prom with my best friend.
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It's like it wasn't the,
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the life that I had imagined.
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And then we got on the cruise,
and the guest of honor,
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and the judge of all the films
was gonna be Mark Vicente,
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the director of the film
"What the Bleep Do We Know!?"
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Where do we come from?
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What should we do?
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And where are we going?
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The more you look at quantum physics,
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the more mysterious
and wondrous it becomes.
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There was something really
magnificent about science
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that I found intoxicating, because
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if we understood the world
in a better way,
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and, and if we understood
ourselves in a better way,
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we may be able to understand
how all of this works.
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I mean, "What the Bleep" was one of
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the highest-grossing
documentaries of all time.
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And then that night,
I sat across from Mark Vicente.
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At first, I didn't know Mark was Mark,
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but when I figured out he was
the director of "What the Bleep,"
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I was gushing about his film,
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and at that time, I was really sick.
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I had a really bad cough.
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Like, a really bad, loud cough.
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And Mark asked me something like,
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"What would you lose..."
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This is an ESP-framed question...
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"What do you lose
if you stop coughing?"
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And I had the awareness
instantly that I had linked
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sickness and attention.
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I was trying to get
my boyfriend's attention.
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I was like, "Oh, my gosh.
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My whole life, I've been so
sick as a means for attention."
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Then, you know, the next day
I got better right away,
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and all I knew at that point
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was that I really liked
and respected Mark.
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And Mark very casually
talked about NXIVM,
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and, you know, there's this guy,
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he's the smartest man
in the world, and...
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He's doing this and that, and
there's this community, and, you know,
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he, he was... He underplayed it.
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If anything, I was more
interested in working with him,
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and doing whatever he was doing.
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Keep in mind, I'd just put
it out there to the universe,
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"What's my purpose?"
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Oh, maybe this is my purpose.
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All right, guys. Let's settle in.
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Is it rolling?
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There was always a preamble
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that I would always do.
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I'm gonna talk about
an extraordinary company,
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that I began working with
a number of years ago
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that helped me overcome
a great many difficulties
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and achieve an even greater
level of success than I already had.
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And everybody can do with tools
that helps them do better, right?
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So understand, NXIVM, N-X-I-V-M,
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is the umbrella company.
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ESP was the thing
that I got involved in.
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ESP stands for
Executive Success Programs.
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Executive
Success Programs, ESP, NXIVM...
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is a methodology
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for optimizing or enhancing
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human experience and behavior.
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Executive Success Programs
is a human potential program.
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We called it Executive Success Programs
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not because it's only geared
for executives in business,
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although it's very good
for executives in business.
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What we want to do is
we want to be successful
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by executing, by following through,
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by being proactive in our lives.
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That's what ESP is.
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At that time,
I was living in a basement suite
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where my rent was $400 a month.
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So for me to spend thousands of dollars
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on my personal growth was obscene.
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But I really wanted to change.
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And I really wanted
to make that... that leap,
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so I put it on my credit card and
signed up for the next training.
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My first five-day,
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I was picturing a large,
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stadium-type of Tony Robbins forum
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with hundreds of people...
Rah, rah, rah.
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I walk into a, a run-down Holiday Inn.
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You guys hearing okay?
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Nod if you can hear me.
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It's just totally underwhelming.
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Everyone's power suits are weird.
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And Nancy's first intro video,
where she's like, "Hi."
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Hello. I'm Nancy Salzman.
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Welcome to your first origins class.
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Meanwhile,
I'm like, staring at her eyebrows.
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Did you ever see the
carnival game Whack-a-Mole?
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There's this little mole,
and he pops up,
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and he has this, like,
little grassy hat on.
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Just the whole, like,
the whole aesthetic
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and the presentation of
the material was totally '80s.
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So you take the sledgehammer
and you knock down this mole,
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and you knock down this one,
and you knock one down
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and another one pops up,
and another one pops up, and... and...
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Does this sound like your life?
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I was like, "What? Where am I?"
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And I was sort of like,
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you know, "My parents are therapists.
What are you gonna teach me?"
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All right. So here's rules and rituals.
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This is the first class we do.
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And they said right from the beginning
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that we were gonna be uncomfortable.
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That the most growth happens
outside your comfort zone.
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- Give me your hand. Shake my hand.
- Okay.
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So, we learn how to shake hands.
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We shake like this.
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You know, it was just weird.
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I didn't like calling Nancy "Prefect"
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and Keith "Vanguard."
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Vanguard.
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And I was like,
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"What the fuck?" regarding the sashes.
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I called Mark at the end of that day.
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And I was like, "What the fuck
did you get me involved with?"
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I mean, I wasn't
on board at first. I'll be honest.
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But, look, I can understand.
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I'm used to ranking systems,
you know. I was in,
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I was in boarding schools.
I was in the Boy Scouts.
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I hated how short the fucking
things were. They were stupid.
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But you know what?
It's a silly piece of silk
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that represents an idea. That's all.
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But the ranking system
is a way to recognize
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the value people bring to the world.
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And what would make the world better
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is if people valued each other.
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And give people tribute for what
they're capable of and what they do,
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and what if this thing you're
looking for, this, this dark lining,
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what if it's not here?
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But what if you feel it
inside of yourself?
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Let me tell you just a
little bit about the reaction
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that people have to our program.
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Occasionally, we have
a person who comes in,
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and in the first couple of sessions,
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they begin to really see
themselves for the first time.
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And when they really see themselves,
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they don't see what they
thought they wanted to see.
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And these people want to
leave the program right way.
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You know, you have skeptics,
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and you have cynics, and I define them.
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I say a skeptic
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is someone who seeks
to turn magic into science.
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- And I'm one of them.
- Mmm.
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A cynic is someone
who seeks to turn good to bad.
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And I kept on saying, "Well, just do
another day. What's one more day?"
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He said, "Wait till day three.
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"Everyone has
a huge shift in day three.
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Day three's, like, really big."
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And it was sort of also, like,
"Well, I'm here."
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You know?
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"Let's just ride it out."
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And it was true. On day
three is when I had my first big,
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like, "Holy shit."
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And that was in the self-esteem module.
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What is self-esteem?
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And how do we measure it?
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Are there specific ways
of raising one's self-esteem?
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Many people talk about self-esteem.
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But very few people
really know what it is.
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Self-esteem was explained in,
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the working definition
we use in ESP was,
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self-esteem is the range of options
that you have in a given circumstance.
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People with high self-esteem
see possibilities.
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But most of the time,
you can't see those options
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because of what they called
your limiting beliefs.
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All of us have a certain
number of these limiting beliefs
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which is what we call
"disintegrations."
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The things that keep you
from being all that you can be
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and from reaching your full
potential as a human being...
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The example I remember...
I think Mark taught me this...
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If someone's a photographer,
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and they have a fear of heights,
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they're limited to what they can
photograph on the ground floor.
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That's their potential.
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If you unhook their fear of heights,
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now they can go on the Eiffel Tower,
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and then there's more possibilities.
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Now, the average person has probably
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between two and 300 of these
limiting beliefs.
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There wasn't, like,
a limiting belief that was unlocked.
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It was multiple limiting beliefs.
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I can be Sarah who's not controlling.
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I can have a great relationship.
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I can have the best career.
I can have all these things.
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It was different beliefs I had
around money, my potential.
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I didn't have love for myself.
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- Hello?
- I didn't have belief in myself.
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And we talk
about getting lost in the movie.
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We're kind of lost
in the role of our life.
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What you have to do is stop
believing that that's who you are.
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I thought that
was just the way that I was.
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And then all of a sudden,
like, oh, I can systematically
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evolve to be the ideal
version of myself.
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To write my own character,
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versus, "Well, that's the way I am."
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Like if I ever heard anyone go,
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"Well, I'm just not, you know,
I'm just not a morning person."
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I'm like,
"That just a limiting belief."
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When you recognize that everyone
has limiting beliefs,
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you just walk around going,
"Oh, that's a limiting belief.
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"That's not true. That's
bullshit. He could change that.
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I could change that for him
in 45 minutes if he'd let me."
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We believe that you can actually
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get rid of all your disintegrations.
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Every single time
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you integrate a disintegrated belief,
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you become more full.
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More whole. More rich.
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And become what we call unified.
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ESP and NXIVM was
a tool set to help people get there.
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And that's where
I feel like I got hooked,
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and a lot of people got hooked
where ESP looked for,
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and for Mark as well, like, he had a...
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I should not speak for Mark. I
don't know why, why he got hooked.
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I think the person that convinced
me was Nancy Salzman.
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I want you to consider
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what sorts of changes
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would you really like
to make in your life?
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If you could have,
or do, or be anything,
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what would that look like?
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What would that feel like?
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I'd just released "What the Bleep."
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A lot of doors were opening to me.
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I could pretty much call, you know,
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any production company, any studio,
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and they would fuckin'
take my call and meet with me.
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One day, I get an email
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from this woman called Barbara Bouchey.
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So, I call. There's two
women on the other end:
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Barbara Bouchey and Nancy Salzman.
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They said, "Can we come meet you?"
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And I'm like,
"Sure. That sounds great."
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The day that they were flying in,
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I said to them, "So, what airline?"
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They said, "No, no,
no. We're at the, the private thing."
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And I was like, "Huh."
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So I remember them
getting off the plane,
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and realizing, "Oh,
it's like, a Learjet.
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Oh. That's, that's nice that they have,
you know, you have this jet."
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I remember both of them
asking me what I wanted.
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They said they loved my film.
What else did I want to do?
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Which of course was,
I want to make movies.
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I want to change the world,
you know, and,
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and the impression I got from them is,
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"We will help you do all those things.
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We have the resources, we have
the connections, we have the people."
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'Cause they have, like,
billionaires in their group.
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There's an expression in Afrikaans...
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Which basically means, "You
landed with your ass in the butter."
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And they said to me, you know,
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"Just come and take
an intensive with us.
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Come and see what it is that we do."
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And the headquarters is in Albany.
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Our curriculum creates
perceptual shifts.
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A perceptual shift is something
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that when you have it,
nothing is ever the same.
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You know, Nancy was in full force.
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This woman is like, sharp,
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and she's energetic,
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and she's warm, and she's connecting.
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But the thing that began
to grow on me bit by bit
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is everybody was so kind.
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And it's this weird, like,
incredible, idyllic type of society,
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where everybody's
rooting for everybody.
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I went into Nancy's office, and I said,
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"You guys have an ulterior motive.
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Something's not right here."
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And she goes, "What do you mean?" I go,
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"Everybody, everybody's
too nice, too kind.
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So full of shit.
Something's not right."
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And she goes, "Huh. Really.
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"What if it's you that's
looking for that problem?
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What if it doesn't exist?"
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Keith developed a
model called "Rational Inquiry,"
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which is the model
that we use in this program.
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We refer to rational inquiry
as a technology.
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It was a process designed to produce
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quantifiable results.
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And understand how profound
this thing is that he's created.
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It's filed in the patent office
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under artificial intelligence.
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This isn't about, like,
mystical beliefs,
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and howling at the moon,
and holding a crystal,
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and doing this...
This was like, science,
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and I was like, "Okay,
this is... This is what I want."
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There was a particular
method that they used
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to help people overcome phobias.
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An EM.
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"Exploration of Meaning"
is the unique methodology
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that's designed to uncover the fear
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behind a specific issue
a person was having.
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The beliefs that we formed
when we were small children
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stay with us.
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And do you know what that means?
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It means that on some levels,
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six-, seven-, and eight-year-olds,
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are running the world.
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Our programs are programs where
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we begin to reevaluate
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those very early
conclusions we came to.
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Nancy says,
"Who wants to work on something?"
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And I go, "Yeah, I have really
bad panic attacks on the freeway."
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And she's like,
"Great. Let's do that one."
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So, I go to the front of the class,
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and we're sitting opposite of each
other in, like, what they call a demo,
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an EM demo.
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What's the first thought you have?
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If you focus on it,
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can you bring up an associated memory?
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A time in the past when
you had that feeling?
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What's scary about it?
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And she had said,
"There comes a certain point
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"when we get into a part of your brain
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"that is non-logical,
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where it's gonna s...
It's gonna feel weird."
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And that's what it felt like. I didn't
even know what language she's speaking.
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It sounds like what she's saying
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is just this garbled something.
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But I just remember suddenly, like,
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all the noise starts to quiet down.
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And I'm, like, "What? What?
What just happened? That's it?"
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She goes, "No, no, no. This, that's
not it. I mean, this is a science,
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"so next time you're in that situation,
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you're gonna check the results
and you're gonna report to me."
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I went back to LA,
and I was on a freeway,
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and I realized, strangely enough,
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that I was sitting in traffic
and I was feeling nothing.
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And I remember thinking,
"Wait, wait, wait."
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Like, I remembered that I
was supposed to feel panicked.
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And I tried to find the panic.
I tried to bring it up,
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and I couldn't bring it up,
and I'm like, "Whoa."
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And then I asked her a question,
"When's it gonna come back?"
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And she said, "What do you mean,
'When's it gonna come back?'"
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She says, "It can't come back."
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Now, the difference between
having an integration
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and other processes
is when it's gone, it's gone.
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With an integration, you can't even
remember what it used to be like.
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It changes your whole
experience of existence forever.
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And a lot of these
explorations of meanings,
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when you had the revelation,
whatever it was,
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the missing something
that you couldn't see,
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you felt high.
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It's like a peak experience.
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So you start to have
a bunch of peak experiences,
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you're like, "This is the shit."
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Like, we're not taking drugs,
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we're not, like, blindfolded,
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we're not doing sensory deprivation.
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We're just having conversations.
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This is almost sci-fi.
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This is, like, beyond what
I thought was possible.
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Like, I've arrived at the Federation,
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50 years in the future,
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and they have hacked the human brain.
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And I remember
after that first intensive,
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I was working on a screenplay which
I'd struggled with for a long time.
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I wrote it in three and a half weeks.
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And it was good.
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I was like, "I'm in."
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I felt like I was soaring.
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It was like almost like a magic.
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I felt like I was getting downloaded a,
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a book of knowledge
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about people, about society,
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about the world in general.
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I really felt like I had this
secret potion of understanding.
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I had all this theory
about how to change stuff.
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Stuff in here, stuff in here.
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But I didn't know how to do it.
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And for the first time, I saw a way,
a tool, to actually do it.
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I loved watching
people have breakthroughs.
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I remember there was one woman
who was EMing somebody
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on an issue they've had for 25 years,
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and have them have
a massive integration
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and cry, and, um, laugh.
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And go, like, "Oh, my God.
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"Like, I feel like I could...
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"I'm gonna call my dad now.
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I haven't talked to him
since I was 15."
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Or whatever. Like, those moments
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were so beautiful, and so inspiring,
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and so much more efficient
than therapy.
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Our main emphasis, our main belief,
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is to have people experience
more joy in their lives.
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And from that,
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all sorts of interesting effects
appear to happen.
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Raniere proposed this map
of how everything worked.
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It was a unified theory to explain
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why people do what they do
and how to change that.
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If you can work your disintegrations
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so that you arrive at this integrated
map, you will be integrated.
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And what does it mean if
you're integrated? You're joyful.
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And part of it was like,
"This is fuckin' cool.
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This is a code to understand myself."
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That I'm no longer such
a terrible mystery to myself.
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And it is kind of a relief of like,
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"Well, what if everything
is explainable?"
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Most of what we say makes sense.
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It's not grounded in mysticism at all.
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It's not grounded in
a lot of things that
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maybe are highly effective
but are unexplainable.
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I think we have quite potent tools,
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and I think our tools are unique.
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I think they said to me,
you know, "At some point,
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you're gonna meet Keith."
And I go, "When?"
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"Oh, we'll see," you know.
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And the way they painted,
who's this Keith Raniere?
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Like, who's this Vanguard guy?
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You know, I was told things like...
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"The Guinness Book
of World Records" said that
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he was one of the top scorers
on an IQ test ever given.
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One of the top three
problem solvers in the world.
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He went to college at RPI...
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Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute... when he was 16.
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Also, they told me he had triple majors
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in mathematics, biology,
and computer science.
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He was a concert double pianist.
494
00:25:08,089 --> 00:25:10,798
And then finally,
they decide I'm ready.
495
00:25:14,047 --> 00:25:16,172
I was staying at Nancy Salzman's house,
496
00:25:16,255 --> 00:25:19,130
and this guy walks in...
497
00:25:20,756 --> 00:25:22,089
Woo!
498
00:25:22,172 --> 00:25:24,964
Who's like, short, and like, bouncy,
499
00:25:25,047 --> 00:25:28,047
and he's like, an odd guy.
500
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:30,381
There was a part of me that was like,
501
00:25:30,464 --> 00:25:32,381
"This-this is the dude?"
502
00:25:33,005 --> 00:25:34,589
Breakfast.
503
00:25:34,673 --> 00:25:37,369
You can't come to Nancy's house
without breakfast.
504
00:25:38,339 --> 00:25:40,964
But you never know where
wisdom comes from, you know?
505
00:25:41,047 --> 00:25:42,798
Well, who's to say that
this guy, who's just like,
506
00:25:42,881 --> 00:25:44,964
really strange and interesting
507
00:25:45,047 --> 00:25:46,714
might not be in fact, like,
508
00:25:46,798 --> 00:25:48,506
somebody that could actually
help the world?
509
00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:50,839
So shall we sit down?
510
00:25:50,923 --> 00:25:53,798
And so, we begin having a conversation.
511
00:25:53,881 --> 00:25:56,798
And that conversation
lasts for five hours.
512
00:25:58,714 --> 00:26:00,255
- You all set?
- Mm-hmm.
513
00:26:00,339 --> 00:26:02,714
And in that five hours,
I'm asking him about
514
00:26:02,798 --> 00:26:05,255
dark matter or quantum mechanics,
a whole bunch of things.
515
00:26:05,339 --> 00:26:07,589
And he's telling me stuff
that's just blowing my mind.
516
00:26:07,673 --> 00:26:09,631
And I'm saying to him,
"I've never heard these ideas before."
517
00:26:09,714 --> 00:26:11,964
He goes, "Well, it's based on a
new mathematics that I've developed."
518
00:26:12,047 --> 00:26:14,297
And I said, like,
"You've developed a new mathematics?"
519
00:26:14,381 --> 00:26:16,089
He goes, "Y-Yeah."
520
00:26:16,172 --> 00:26:20,839
But he was, like, super, super gentle
about all these things, you know?
521
00:26:20,923 --> 00:26:24,339
So, he starts asking me
questions about my life.
522
00:27:06,673 --> 00:27:08,130
Hmm.
523
00:27:16,798 --> 00:27:19,172
Why?
524
00:27:22,089 --> 00:27:23,547
Hmm.
525
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:30,381
Mm-hmm.
526
00:27:32,714 --> 00:27:34,381
And he says to me,
527
00:27:34,464 --> 00:27:39,089
"I think that you feel a deep
responsibility for humanity."
528
00:27:39,172 --> 00:27:41,005
He says, "I think because
of your upbringing,
529
00:27:41,089 --> 00:27:43,673
"and what you saw in your country...
530
00:27:46,422 --> 00:27:48,839
"you wanna, like, do something
that's really gonna help the world,
531
00:27:48,923 --> 00:27:51,172
"and you're scared
that you'll do damage.
532
00:27:51,255 --> 00:27:53,255
"Is that why you're scared?
533
00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:55,756
Is that why you're afraid to hit hard?"
534
00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:01,172
Mm-hmm.
535
00:28:39,464 --> 00:28:41,547
It's almost like he's showing me
536
00:28:41,631 --> 00:28:44,172
the movie version
of what I could be like.
537
00:28:45,214 --> 00:28:47,631
And at that point, he had me.
538
00:29:23,339 --> 00:29:25,172
I think in the first year,
539
00:29:25,255 --> 00:29:28,589
I thought to myself, "I could see
myself being part of this forever."
540
00:29:28,673 --> 00:29:31,798
And he kept on saying,
"We will help you
541
00:29:31,881 --> 00:29:35,297
with your dream of using media
to change the world."
542
00:29:39,005 --> 00:29:41,255
The one and only Nancy Salzman.
543
00:29:42,923 --> 00:29:45,047
I remember
meeting Nancy for the first time,
544
00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:47,214
and it was pretty cool,
because, you know,
545
00:29:47,297 --> 00:29:49,422
I'd gone from, like, judging her
546
00:29:49,506 --> 00:29:52,005
to thinking she was a rock star.
547
00:29:52,089 --> 00:29:55,089
Uh, a lot of people who've
never seen me teach before
548
00:29:55,172 --> 00:29:56,923
are waiting for the video to go on,
549
00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:59,089
but, like, I'm the video.
550
00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:02,255
It was, like,
really like meeting a celebrity.
551
00:30:02,339 --> 00:30:03,881
And then having her know who I was,
552
00:30:03,964 --> 00:30:06,464
and welcoming me into
the community was...
553
00:30:06,547 --> 00:30:07,798
I felt very special.
554
00:30:07,881 --> 00:30:09,422
People can come, they can take classes
555
00:30:09,506 --> 00:30:12,130
as much as they want,
forever and ever and ever.
556
00:30:12,214 --> 00:30:14,089
They can satiate in our curriculum,
557
00:30:14,172 --> 00:30:17,089
but what Vanguard has wanted us
to do for a very long time
558
00:30:17,172 --> 00:30:20,464
is have people working the Stripe Path.
559
00:30:20,547 --> 00:30:23,464
"Stripe Path" is the
term we used for the ranking system,
560
00:30:23,547 --> 00:30:24,923
the sashes.
561
00:30:25,005 --> 00:30:27,464
It represented you moving up
within the company,
562
00:30:27,547 --> 00:30:29,631
and in order to go up the Stripe Path,
563
00:30:29,714 --> 00:30:31,798
you had to keep taking curriculum,
enroll people,
564
00:30:31,881 --> 00:30:35,798
and most importantly, you had
to get rid of your disintegrations.
565
00:30:35,881 --> 00:30:40,214
So, part of my journey
is to go up the levels and learn.
566
00:30:40,297 --> 00:30:42,005
I started as a yellow...
567
00:30:42,089 --> 00:30:43,673
First stripe, second stripe,
third stripe.
568
00:30:43,756 --> 00:30:45,547
In a year, I'd become a proctor,
569
00:30:45,631 --> 00:30:48,255
and eventually,
I'm a senior proctor, a green.
570
00:30:48,339 --> 00:30:51,673
Hi, Senior Proctor Vicente!
571
00:30:53,589 --> 00:30:55,839
Hello, Senior Proctor Mark Vicente.
572
00:31:06,547 --> 00:31:10,047
You know, I hated wearing
my sash at the beginning.
573
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:12,005
I hated it. It was like,
"What is this piece of fabric?
574
00:31:12,089 --> 00:31:14,506
It doesn't match my outfit.
It's uncomfortable."
575
00:31:14,589 --> 00:31:16,089
It didn't mean anything to me.
576
00:31:16,172 --> 00:31:19,172
But by the time I became a coach,
577
00:31:19,255 --> 00:31:20,798
yellow sash,
578
00:31:20,881 --> 00:31:23,297
and went up the Stripe Path
and earned my four stripes,
579
00:31:23,381 --> 00:31:25,756
and worked my butt off
to get to proctor,
580
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:28,381
what this meant to me,
this little piece of fabric,
581
00:31:28,464 --> 00:31:31,631
it meant my growth,
it meant my commitment to myself.
582
00:31:31,714 --> 00:31:34,422
It meant me pushing through adversity,
not giving up.
583
00:31:34,506 --> 00:31:36,547
Getting to proctor was
the first thing in my life
584
00:31:36,631 --> 00:31:38,798
that I felt like I really earned.
585
00:31:41,297 --> 00:31:44,464
And it wasn't just about my growth.
586
00:31:44,547 --> 00:31:47,589
It was so rewarding to share
ESP with people.
587
00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:50,172
Thank you, uh,
Senior Proctor Edmondson,
588
00:31:50,255 --> 00:31:53,047
for your support.
You're such a humble pillar.
589
00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:54,547
You know, it's because of you
590
00:31:54,631 --> 00:31:57,047
that I'm in this crazy organization.
591
00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:59,547
And lastly, thank you so much
to Prefect and Vanguard
592
00:31:59,631 --> 00:32:02,547
for creating this amazing
organization. Thank you.
593
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:07,422
That's why ESP became
more important to me than acting.
594
00:32:07,506 --> 00:32:08,839
You ready?
595
00:32:08,923 --> 00:32:11,089
It was very rewarding for me.
596
00:32:11,172 --> 00:32:13,547
I want to welcome you
to the rank of coach,
597
00:32:13,631 --> 00:32:15,464
with all the rights, responsibilities,
598
00:32:15,547 --> 00:32:18,881
and privileges that entail.
Congratulations.
599
00:32:18,964 --> 00:32:22,297
Aah!
600
00:32:23,464 --> 00:32:25,130
To those of us that were facilitating,
601
00:32:25,214 --> 00:32:27,673
people would say shit like,
"You guys are like Jedis," you know.
602
00:32:27,756 --> 00:32:28,964
And there was a part of me
that'd be like,
603
00:32:29,047 --> 00:32:30,923
"Yeah, I've always
wanted to be a Jedi."
604
00:32:31,005 --> 00:32:33,089
But really, what was cool
about it was like, that
605
00:32:33,172 --> 00:32:34,839
people would come in...
606
00:32:34,923 --> 00:32:38,673
So concerned about
something in their life.
607
00:32:38,756 --> 00:32:41,255
And we would help them get clarity.
608
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:46,714
This is so exciting.
609
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:49,130
And it wasn't so much like,
"Oh, I did it."
610
00:32:49,214 --> 00:32:51,047
It's very clear that
that's not how it worked.
611
00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:56,130
But I do remember
the deep sense of privilege
612
00:32:56,214 --> 00:32:58,255
that I could help people.
613
00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:13,464
I think the first time I met Bonnie
614
00:33:13,547 --> 00:33:15,422
would have been 2000... maybe 7.
615
00:33:15,506 --> 00:33:17,255
I'm not sure of the exact date.
616
00:33:17,339 --> 00:33:20,214
A friend of mine was on
"Battlestar Galactica."
617
00:33:20,297 --> 00:33:22,798
Bonnie had been in "Star
Wars: Revenge of the Sith"
618
00:33:22,881 --> 00:33:24,130
and "Attack of the Clones."
619
00:33:24,214 --> 00:33:26,130
- This is my girlfriend, Beru.
- Hello.
620
00:33:26,214 --> 00:33:29,506
And so they met at a sci-fi convention.
621
00:33:29,589 --> 00:33:32,798
"Oh, my God. You have to
meet this girl. She's a singer.
622
00:33:32,881 --> 00:33:35,409
She's a fan of your movie,
you're a fan of "Star Wars."
623
00:33:35,433 --> 00:33:37,171
You guys have gotta meet."
624
00:33:37,172 --> 00:33:40,464
So I met her in Hollywood.
625
00:33:40,547 --> 00:33:42,839
And she was, like,
you know, record deals,
626
00:33:42,923 --> 00:33:46,381
and, like, pinnacle of her
career and the whole thing.
627
00:33:46,464 --> 00:33:48,339
And then, a few years later,
628
00:33:48,422 --> 00:33:51,172
I connected with her again, and I said,
629
00:33:51,255 --> 00:33:54,214
you know, something like,
you know, "Let's have tea."
630
00:33:54,297 --> 00:33:57,297
And then I said to her, you know,
"I've never heard your music."
631
00:33:57,381 --> 00:33:59,673
So we went up to the place
I was staying,
632
00:33:59,756 --> 00:34:02,172
she took a guitar, we made tea,
633
00:34:02,255 --> 00:34:05,506
and she began playing a song.
634
00:34:05,589 --> 00:34:09,673
# I don't want to #
635
00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:12,881
# Show you #
636
00:34:12,964 --> 00:34:18,381
# The sadness in my heart #
637
00:34:18,464 --> 00:34:21,839
And I remember thinking,
"Oh, my fucking God."
638
00:34:21,923 --> 00:34:24,464
Like, when you suddenly realize,
like, oh, dear.
639
00:34:24,547 --> 00:34:27,464
I'm feeling so many things right now
640
00:34:27,547 --> 00:34:30,839
that I can't... I can't keep them in.
641
00:34:30,923 --> 00:34:33,381
They're just, they're just bubbling,
bubbling out of me.
642
00:34:33,464 --> 00:34:35,339
And I remember she
said to me at one point,
643
00:34:35,422 --> 00:34:37,172
"I'm thinking of giving up music."
644
00:34:37,255 --> 00:34:38,589
And I said to her,
645
00:34:38,673 --> 00:34:40,964
"Give me five days of your life,
646
00:34:41,047 --> 00:34:44,714
"and then if you decide
to give up music, go for it.
647
00:34:44,798 --> 00:34:46,631
Give me five days, though."
648
00:34:47,631 --> 00:34:49,798
And she said yes.
649
00:34:55,255 --> 00:34:57,422
Before I
signed up for my first five-day,
650
00:34:57,506 --> 00:34:59,673
I was in a transition.
651
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:02,339
For me, growing up,
652
00:35:02,422 --> 00:35:04,631
one of the ways that
I really expressed myself
653
00:35:04,714 --> 00:35:06,714
was to make music.
654
00:35:06,798 --> 00:35:08,964
I'd been very serious
about my music career,
655
00:35:09,047 --> 00:35:10,923
but things were kind of falling apart
656
00:35:11,005 --> 00:35:12,673
with the record label that I was with,
657
00:35:12,756 --> 00:35:15,798
and I was struggling
with fear and anxiety,
658
00:35:15,881 --> 00:35:19,255
and just not feeling very happy.
659
00:35:19,339 --> 00:35:22,130
So, I was looking for something
to relieve that,
660
00:35:22,214 --> 00:35:26,047
and to give me a deeper
understanding of life.
661
00:35:27,172 --> 00:35:29,589
And that's what I met Mark.
662
00:35:29,673 --> 00:35:31,798
I instantly trusted Mark,
663
00:35:31,881 --> 00:35:33,631
and I thought he was
a really good person.
664
00:35:33,714 --> 00:35:37,631
Like, it's something that I don't
really know how to describe,
665
00:35:37,714 --> 00:35:39,005
but, like, I would look in his eyes
666
00:35:39,089 --> 00:35:41,047
and I just felt like he really cares.
667
00:35:42,631 --> 00:35:44,839
I said, like,
"I'm trying to find this feeling,"
668
00:35:44,923 --> 00:35:48,673
and I described, like,
a peaceful, calm joy.
669
00:35:48,756 --> 00:35:52,089
He totally got it. He was like,
"Right. That feeling."
670
00:35:52,172 --> 00:35:53,297
That struck me.
671
00:35:53,381 --> 00:35:54,756
I had never had anyone pinpoint,
672
00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:57,506
like, a feeling like that for me.
673
00:36:00,381 --> 00:36:03,547
I took my five-day in 2010.
674
00:36:03,631 --> 00:36:06,964
I remember some of the
questions that the coaches asked,
675
00:36:07,047 --> 00:36:09,130
and some of the ways
that they described
676
00:36:09,214 --> 00:36:11,464
how they thought that I felt
677
00:36:11,547 --> 00:36:14,881
were just so spot on.
678
00:36:15,005 --> 00:36:17,923
The whole five-day was set up
with these deep questions.
679
00:36:18,005 --> 00:36:20,130
Like, you start
right from the beginning.
680
00:36:20,214 --> 00:36:24,005
Things like, "What's the thing
you most regret in your life?
681
00:36:24,089 --> 00:36:25,798
Who do you most love in the world?"
682
00:36:25,881 --> 00:36:28,964
Or, "Who do you feel you need
to make something right with?"
683
00:36:29,047 --> 00:36:31,673
So you're really going into
the deepest feelings
684
00:36:31,756 --> 00:36:34,172
that you've had about anything.
685
00:36:34,255 --> 00:36:37,881
And the coaches encourage
you to kind of let down your guard.
686
00:36:37,964 --> 00:36:39,506
They say it in a really nice way,
687
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:42,589
and they're like teasing you in
a way that feels like tough love.
688
00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:51,839
And everyone's doing it,
689
00:36:51,923 --> 00:36:53,506
and you get encouraged if you
690
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:56,714
show vulnerability, too.
691
00:36:56,798 --> 00:37:00,130
I knew that I wanted to be
a coach right away.
692
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:36,464
Within a week, I had gone
to Albany already and met Keith.
693
00:37:36,547 --> 00:37:40,673
I was amazed by the EM tech,
and I wanted to do that.
694
00:37:40,756 --> 00:37:43,089
The path to become an EMP
695
00:37:43,172 --> 00:37:45,381
was you had to get on the Stripe Path,
696
00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,339
then go out and practice.
697
00:37:47,422 --> 00:37:49,214
And so I, I practiced.
698
00:37:49,756 --> 00:37:50,839
And I loved it.
699
00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:53,130
It was, like, my favorite
thing in the world.
700
00:37:53,214 --> 00:37:56,089
I loved it.
701
00:37:56,172 --> 00:38:01,089
I felt like, yeah, the most
deeply understood I had ever felt.
702
00:38:01,172 --> 00:38:03,839
I felt like I'd found my people.
703
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:07,714
And they just felt like such good vibes
704
00:38:07,798 --> 00:38:09,089
compared to
705
00:38:09,172 --> 00:38:11,297
the situations I'd been dealing with
706
00:38:11,381 --> 00:38:12,547
in the music industry.
707
00:38:12,631 --> 00:38:14,297
Here were people who were, like,
708
00:38:14,381 --> 00:38:15,464
really enjoying themselves,
709
00:38:15,547 --> 00:38:18,422
and working on their internal world.
710
00:38:18,506 --> 00:38:21,339
And it felt much more meaningful.
711
00:38:22,547 --> 00:38:24,964
When we start to understand principles,
712
00:38:25,047 --> 00:38:28,297
and in our new global world,
713
00:38:28,381 --> 00:38:31,297
there needs to be
the ethical humanitarian
714
00:38:31,381 --> 00:38:34,631
who is more ecological. More visionary.
715
00:38:34,714 --> 00:38:35,839
More compassionate.
716
00:38:35,923 --> 00:38:38,631
And takes others into account.
717
00:38:40,464 --> 00:38:42,130
In the beginning,
718
00:38:42,214 --> 00:38:44,214
I never actually did really resonate
719
00:38:44,297 --> 00:38:46,923
with the word "ethics,"
or "ethical mission."
720
00:38:47,005 --> 00:38:50,089
But then, there were different
classes where you'd actually learn
721
00:38:50,172 --> 00:38:52,631
why bad things were
happening in the world.
722
00:38:52,714 --> 00:38:55,631
Like, why there was
corruption and unrest.
723
00:38:55,714 --> 00:38:57,631
This is the world.
724
00:38:57,714 --> 00:38:59,756
We have starving people, right?
725
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:02,297
I'll just put starve. "Strave."
726
00:39:03,172 --> 00:39:04,339
Strave!
727
00:39:04,422 --> 00:39:08,214
And then we have... the whales.
728
00:39:08,297 --> 00:39:11,506
We have abused animals in movies.
729
00:39:13,339 --> 00:39:16,673
We have crime, murder,
all that sort of thing.
730
00:39:16,756 --> 00:39:18,923
All of these are effects.
731
00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:21,964
The problem's right here. Let me...
732
00:39:22,923 --> 00:39:24,506
That's the problem.
733
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:26,089
Blow it up.
734
00:39:30,172 --> 00:39:31,798
Right?
735
00:39:32,756 --> 00:39:34,631
There's no problem with the planet.
736
00:39:34,714 --> 00:39:36,255
It's the stuff we do.
737
00:39:36,339 --> 00:39:38,422
You will be as ethical as possible.
738
00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:42,005
You will be that which
you want to see in the world.
739
00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:45,214
If everyone was integrated
to some degree,
740
00:39:45,297 --> 00:39:46,673
do you think someone who's integrated
741
00:39:46,756 --> 00:39:48,714
would go and steal from someone else?
742
00:39:48,798 --> 00:39:51,547
The ethical mission
that I did resonate with
743
00:39:51,631 --> 00:39:54,547
was this mission of
helping people integrate
744
00:39:54,631 --> 00:39:56,214
emotional reactions,
745
00:39:56,297 --> 00:39:58,631
so that they could live the best life.
746
00:40:01,464 --> 00:40:04,339
Marc Elliot comes into ESP,
747
00:40:04,422 --> 00:40:07,255
and Marc Elliot has a pretty
severe case of Tourette's.
748
00:40:09,631 --> 00:40:12,214
And in his first intensive,
he's ticking like crazy,
749
00:40:12,297 --> 00:40:16,047
and saying all kinds of words on
two people, and it's just a mess.
750
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,547
Fuck, fuck, fuck.
751
00:40:18,631 --> 00:40:21,047
I have Tourette's, by the way. Just
wanna throw that out there, okay?
752
00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:23,214
Nancy Salzman
and Keith Raniere, I believe,
753
00:40:23,297 --> 00:40:25,756
tried to figure out,
"What if we could cure this?"
754
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:29,255
So they begin working with him,
documenting his progress.
755
00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:32,339
And we start talking about,
"Okay, let's turn this into a film."
756
00:40:32,422 --> 00:40:34,673
Keith Raniere
thought it would be a good idea
757
00:40:34,756 --> 00:40:36,881
for us to study other people
with Tourette's
758
00:40:36,964 --> 00:40:40,172
to see if we could have
an effect in a consistent way.
759
00:40:40,255 --> 00:40:42,005
The participants came to Albany.
760
00:40:42,089 --> 00:40:44,839
We filmed them working with
Nancy Salzman and the team.
761
00:40:44,923 --> 00:40:47,923
When I met Isabella,
she had Tourette's,
762
00:40:48,005 --> 00:40:51,422
and she had a lot of
obsessive compulsive disorder
763
00:40:51,506 --> 00:40:53,339
with the Tourette's.
764
00:40:53,422 --> 00:40:55,047
We don't use any drugs.
765
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:58,547
The only thing that we use
is a talk approach.
766
00:40:58,631 --> 00:41:01,255
I listen to where I think that
their beliefs are limited.
767
00:41:01,339 --> 00:41:04,756
And then I look at the stimulus
response patterns that they have,
768
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:07,547
and I systematically disconnect them.
769
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:11,130
I did some EMs with Nancy, and...
770
00:41:11,214 --> 00:41:12,631
that went well.
771
00:41:12,714 --> 00:41:16,422
Uh, she said I seemed like
a real person.
772
00:41:16,506 --> 00:41:20,297
I talked with my dad last night for
like 20 minutes, and it was really good.
773
00:41:20,381 --> 00:41:22,506
He called my mom.
He said, "It was really great
774
00:41:22,589 --> 00:41:24,464
having such a fluid
conversation with her."
775
00:41:24,547 --> 00:41:26,631
As soon as I experienced these tools,
776
00:41:26,714 --> 00:41:29,255
I found that I was able
to change something
777
00:41:29,339 --> 00:41:31,798
that most people believe
is unchangeable.
778
00:41:31,881 --> 00:41:34,214
And now I live a life
without Tourette's.
779
00:41:34,297 --> 00:41:36,631
The difference is staggering.
780
00:41:36,714 --> 00:41:39,714
It's miraculous. You go like,
"How the fuck is this possible?"
781
00:41:39,798 --> 00:41:41,589
You know, if you've never
seen a saw before,
782
00:41:41,673 --> 00:41:44,714
suddenly the cut piece of log
seems like a miracle.
783
00:41:44,798 --> 00:41:46,339
It isn't. It's a tool.
784
00:41:46,422 --> 00:41:48,547
And in some cases,
785
00:41:48,631 --> 00:41:51,673
when conventional solutions don't work,
786
00:41:51,756 --> 00:41:55,506
maybe the unconventional
way of thinking does.
787
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:57,798
Keith had found a cure for Tourette's,
788
00:41:57,881 --> 00:42:00,714
which is a heightened version
789
00:42:00,798 --> 00:42:02,255
of what any of us do in ESP.
790
00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:05,089
You teach yourself
that you're in full control
791
00:42:05,172 --> 00:42:06,881
of your emotions at all times.
792
00:42:06,964 --> 00:42:09,673
In full control of your
responses at all times.
793
00:42:12,089 --> 00:42:13,881
There was such a hopeful possibility
794
00:42:13,964 --> 00:42:17,047
of what we could do,
'cause if we can cure Tourette's,
795
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:19,589
that it would give ESP
and NXIVM validity,
796
00:42:19,673 --> 00:42:21,923
especially in the scientific world.
797
00:42:22,005 --> 00:42:23,589
That could change everything.
798
00:42:24,297 --> 00:42:26,589
I want to move the world.
799
00:42:26,673 --> 00:42:28,881
I want to change the way it works.
800
00:42:28,964 --> 00:42:32,422
I want to have this revolution work.
801
00:42:34,255 --> 00:42:35,798
The mission was,
802
00:42:35,881 --> 00:42:38,923
how could you get people
all over the world
803
00:42:39,005 --> 00:42:42,964
in positions of leadership
and power and influence
804
00:42:43,047 --> 00:42:45,881
to take this education, to learn value,
805
00:42:45,964 --> 00:42:48,047
and learn to be humans.
806
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:51,297
And then change companies
and change governments.
807
00:42:51,381 --> 00:42:55,506
We should be building ethicists.
808
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:58,714
People are gonna elect
ethicists to be President.
809
00:42:58,798 --> 00:43:00,756
And he would say,
we first have to reach
810
00:43:00,839 --> 00:43:02,798
the people that run
the motor of the world,
811
00:43:02,881 --> 00:43:04,506
to use Ayn Rand's term.
812
00:43:04,589 --> 00:43:06,589
We need the people that run the motor.
813
00:43:06,673 --> 00:43:11,881
You know, Mark and I kind of
brought Hollywood to ESP, and...
814
00:43:12,005 --> 00:43:16,089
I wasn't famous in that world,
but in this case, I was the...
815
00:43:16,172 --> 00:43:19,339
entry point, with Mark, to that world.
816
00:43:21,547 --> 00:43:23,255
Basically, what happened is
817
00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:26,339
Sarah and I had started, like,
enrolling all the celebrities.
818
00:43:26,422 --> 00:43:30,255
Richard Branson let us host
an intensive on Necker Island.
819
00:43:30,339 --> 00:43:33,172
We had Catherine Oxenberg,
the star of the TV show "Dynasty,"
820
00:43:33,255 --> 00:43:35,214
take classes with her daughter, India.
821
00:43:35,297 --> 00:43:38,047
I spent most of my time
working on strategy.
822
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:40,005
Sarah said she wanted to talk to, like,
823
00:43:40,089 --> 00:43:41,923
as many people as possible.
824
00:43:42,005 --> 00:43:44,631
Sometimes people can surprise you.
825
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:47,422
I think it's kind of cool.
826
00:43:47,506 --> 00:43:50,422
I'm Kristin, as you know. Um,
I'm excited to work with you guys,
827
00:43:50,506 --> 00:43:53,839
and I don't know what else to say.
828
00:43:54,964 --> 00:43:56,547
Romeo 1, Raptor 312.
829
00:43:56,631 --> 00:43:58,089
I'm back, and I brought a friend.
830
00:43:58,172 --> 00:44:01,255
If I were to describe Keith to
someone who'd never met him,
831
00:44:01,339 --> 00:44:03,839
I would probably express
832
00:44:03,923 --> 00:44:06,964
almost how surprised I was
how open he is.
833
00:44:07,047 --> 00:44:08,506
I hate this part.
834
00:44:10,089 --> 00:44:13,005
I struggle sometimes, a lot of times,
835
00:44:13,089 --> 00:44:14,631
to really push myself,
836
00:44:14,714 --> 00:44:17,631
and it's that. It's that extra push.
837
00:44:17,714 --> 00:44:19,464
It's that, you know, really
838
00:44:19,547 --> 00:44:22,381
owning what's important
to me in my life.
839
00:44:24,005 --> 00:44:25,631
We have many, many people
840
00:44:25,714 --> 00:44:28,589
who have taken great values
from our program
841
00:44:28,673 --> 00:44:30,631
and their association with us.
842
00:44:30,714 --> 00:44:33,422
Hello. My name is Emiliano Salinas.
843
00:44:33,506 --> 00:44:35,339
I come from a political family.
844
00:44:35,422 --> 00:44:37,339
My father was President of Mexico
845
00:44:37,422 --> 00:44:39,297
from 1988 to 1994,
846
00:44:39,381 --> 00:44:41,923
a time of tremendous
transformation for my country,
847
00:44:42,005 --> 00:44:44,631
which inspired me to pursue
a deeper understanding
848
00:44:44,714 --> 00:44:47,172
of human and social transformation.
849
00:44:47,255 --> 00:44:49,255
When I joined NXIVM, I found that
850
00:44:49,339 --> 00:44:52,047
it was already backed by
two extremely wealthy women,
851
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:54,089
Sara Bronfman and Clare Bronfman,
852
00:44:54,172 --> 00:44:56,589
who were the heiresses
to the Seagram's empire.
853
00:44:56,673 --> 00:45:00,089
Sara and Clare went out
looking for powerful people.
854
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:03,673
I grew up with resources,
855
00:45:03,756 --> 00:45:05,255
and it was very scary for me to know
856
00:45:05,339 --> 00:45:08,631
how to best use those resources
in the world to do good things.
857
00:45:08,714 --> 00:45:12,172
And it was Sara that
actually arranged for the Dalai Lama
858
00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:13,547
to come to Albany.
859
00:45:13,631 --> 00:45:16,422
It was a very big deal that
the Dalai Lama was coming,
860
00:45:16,506 --> 00:45:18,464
'cause he was endorsing NXIVM.
861
00:45:18,547 --> 00:45:20,756
It is my moral responsibility
862
00:45:20,839 --> 00:45:23,214
to support any movement
863
00:45:23,297 --> 00:45:25,673
who are working for ethics.
864
00:45:25,756 --> 00:45:27,673
That was, I mean, mind-blowing,
865
00:45:27,756 --> 00:45:30,172
the possibility of what
could happen with that.
866
00:45:30,964 --> 00:45:32,673
Never found in my life
867
00:45:32,756 --> 00:45:34,839
a place where you can meet
amazing individuals
868
00:45:34,923 --> 00:45:37,923
that, like me, are looking
to create a better world.
869
00:45:38,005 --> 00:45:40,339
This was something, that,
it was in my heart, always,
870
00:45:40,422 --> 00:45:42,047
you know, that, "How do I do better?"
871
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,881
Before, I felt this
kind of ongoing stress.
872
00:45:44,964 --> 00:45:48,381
I was constantly working, and I felt
like I was just scrambling all the time.
873
00:45:48,464 --> 00:45:50,881
It was Harvard Business School. I thought
you couldn't get better than that.
874
00:45:50,964 --> 00:45:53,673
I was never any better
than that of my next job.
875
00:45:53,756 --> 00:45:56,005
A lot of people that I know
were facing that.
876
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:57,422
A lot of women, in particular.
877
00:45:57,506 --> 00:45:59,589
What if it doesn't have to be that way?
878
00:45:59,673 --> 00:46:01,923
I felt like I was finding it all.
879
00:46:02,005 --> 00:46:04,047
Meaning...
880
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:06,756
Community...
881
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:10,005
Oh, this is the family,
this is the group of people
882
00:46:10,089 --> 00:46:11,756
that I've been looking for
my whole life
883
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:13,506
that actually are gonna have impact.
884
00:46:14,422 --> 00:46:15,589
- Hi!
- Hey!
885
00:46:15,673 --> 00:46:18,255
This actually helps you,
so that you can build love.
886
00:46:18,339 --> 00:46:20,673
And I think that's
the most valuable thing.
887
00:46:20,756 --> 00:46:22,464
That, that changes the world.
888
00:46:22,547 --> 00:46:23,964
There's another way to live.
889
00:46:24,047 --> 00:46:25,255
There's another way to relate.
890
00:46:25,339 --> 00:46:27,255
So when you can get tools
that allow you to do that,
891
00:46:27,339 --> 00:46:28,964
that's worth everything.
892
00:46:29,047 --> 00:46:30,464
When I first came to ESP,
893
00:46:30,547 --> 00:46:32,881
I had, on the surface, something
894
00:46:32,964 --> 00:46:35,923
that seemed to be, like,
the perfect life, or a pretty good life.
895
00:46:36,005 --> 00:46:39,339
Like, superficially, materialistically,
I was very successful.
896
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:42,172
Um...
897
00:46:42,547 --> 00:46:44,172
Allie Mack.
898
00:46:44,255 --> 00:46:46,130
I remember when
she did our first training,
899
00:46:46,214 --> 00:46:48,172
and then she hopped on a plane
and went right back
900
00:46:48,255 --> 00:46:50,714
after the training with Nancy
and Lauren to meet Keith.
901
00:46:50,798 --> 00:46:52,881
I think that was pretty...
902
00:46:52,964 --> 00:46:54,297
exciting for the company.
903
00:46:54,381 --> 00:46:56,339
I mean, she was... She had her own show,
904
00:46:56,422 --> 00:46:59,130
and she had a little
following of young women
905
00:46:59,214 --> 00:47:00,464
who looked up to her.
906
00:47:00,547 --> 00:47:01,547
- Hi.
- Hey.
907
00:47:01,631 --> 00:47:03,255
- You know me.
- You...
908
00:47:03,339 --> 00:47:05,464
You know me. Um, I'm Allison.
909
00:47:05,547 --> 00:47:08,381
I've been an actress
since I was four years old,
910
00:47:08,464 --> 00:47:09,881
and I moved here from New York City,
911
00:47:09,964 --> 00:47:12,214
and really, my pursuit in ESP
912
00:47:12,297 --> 00:47:14,214
has been one really
about my relationships.
913
00:47:14,297 --> 00:47:17,089
I wanted to be this, like,
loving, compassionate woman
914
00:47:17,172 --> 00:47:20,089
that I played on TV, and, like,
have all these noble characteristics
915
00:47:20,172 --> 00:47:22,798
that I did really well when
I had a script in front of me.
916
00:47:24,506 --> 00:47:27,339
Allison was the life of the party.
917
00:47:27,422 --> 00:47:30,005
We would talk about art and movies,
918
00:47:30,089 --> 00:47:32,839
and creating this community of artists.
919
00:47:32,923 --> 00:47:35,005
And the house that we all moved into,
920
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:38,297
the townhouse, which was three floors,
was, was to be that.
921
00:47:38,381 --> 00:47:40,339
You know, it was,
top floor was me and Bonnie,
922
00:47:40,422 --> 00:47:43,047
she was in the middle floor,
and in the basement was like, you know,
923
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:46,297
screening room and the editing rooms,
and all... It was great.
924
00:47:48,005 --> 00:47:50,464
I had this dream, as well, of like,
925
00:47:50,547 --> 00:47:52,172
okay, it's great to just have ESP,
926
00:47:52,255 --> 00:47:54,964
but we need different things
for different people.
927
00:47:55,047 --> 00:47:56,506
As the years go by,
928
00:47:56,589 --> 00:47:59,005
you know, we have individual companies
929
00:47:59,089 --> 00:48:00,339
that people are starting up.
930
00:48:00,422 --> 00:48:02,214
When you came into the organization,
931
00:48:02,297 --> 00:48:04,547
ESP was generally the gateway.
932
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:07,756
And then there was this whole,
a whole entire civilization.
933
00:48:09,923 --> 00:48:13,631
You know, we have Jness
happening for women.
934
00:48:13,714 --> 00:48:17,255
We were probably six
or seven years into ESP
935
00:48:17,339 --> 00:48:18,714
when Jness came around.
936
00:48:18,798 --> 00:48:20,923
Keith started talking about
the fact that
937
00:48:21,005 --> 00:48:22,881
the women could change the world.
938
00:48:22,964 --> 00:48:25,673
I put on the very first women's
only Jness training in 2006.
939
00:48:25,756 --> 00:48:28,381
There was about 40 or 50 women
in that training.
940
00:48:28,464 --> 00:48:30,798
And I loved it. I thought,
I thought it was beautiful.
941
00:48:30,881 --> 00:48:32,089
I thought it was great.
942
00:48:32,172 --> 00:48:34,964
We have SOP happening for men.
943
00:48:35,047 --> 00:48:38,339
Can you imagine a
close-knit team of reliable men
944
00:48:38,422 --> 00:48:41,964
working together to have better lives,
and a better world.
945
00:48:42,047 --> 00:48:44,422
You know,
if you wanted to work on your body,
946
00:48:44,506 --> 00:48:46,255
on fitness, there was exo/eso.
947
00:48:46,339 --> 00:48:49,464
Exo/eso is what Bonnie
started with five other women.
948
00:48:49,547 --> 00:48:51,130
It was like a yoga class.
949
00:48:51,214 --> 00:48:53,923
I felt like that was more
closer to my purpose
950
00:48:54,005 --> 00:48:56,255
of, like, a performing arts technique,
951
00:48:56,339 --> 00:48:58,589
and tools to help actors and singers
952
00:48:58,673 --> 00:49:01,547
and all these things,
so I was really excited about that.
953
00:49:01,631 --> 00:49:03,089
If you wanted to work on
954
00:49:03,172 --> 00:49:05,506
performance and public speaking,
there was The Source.
955
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:08,047
Hi. I'm Allison Mack and I'm
the president of The Source.
956
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:11,130
Don't worry if you feel like, "I'm
not an actor. What am I doing here?"
957
00:49:11,214 --> 00:49:14,422
'Cause this is really a study
of compassion, empathy.
958
00:49:14,506 --> 00:49:16,589
Your whole being is gonna change.
959
00:49:16,673 --> 00:49:18,756
We have Rainbow Cultural Garden,
960
00:49:18,839 --> 00:49:20,339
a daycare program for children
961
00:49:20,422 --> 00:49:23,964
where they're taught multiple
languages from an early age.
962
00:49:31,547 --> 00:49:33,714
There's just this
array of stuff happening,
963
00:49:33,798 --> 00:49:36,547
so it's like an empire.
964
00:49:38,339 --> 00:49:40,464
So when people say, like,
"How did you spend 12 years?"
965
00:49:40,547 --> 00:49:43,089
Because there was
a lot of shit to work on.
966
00:49:43,172 --> 00:49:45,673
I had a vision and, and Mark and I,
967
00:49:45,756 --> 00:49:47,756
you know, have been talking
about this from the beginning,
968
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:48,714
of creating a center.
969
00:49:48,798 --> 00:49:50,964
That was, that was our dream.
970
00:49:51,047 --> 00:49:53,589
When I come into ESP in 2005,
971
00:49:53,673 --> 00:49:55,881
there's a center in Albany,
972
00:49:55,964 --> 00:49:58,756
there's a center in Saratoga Springs,
973
00:49:58,839 --> 00:50:00,714
and there's the center in Seattle.
974
00:50:00,798 --> 00:50:03,839
And as the years ago by,
there's all this growth that happens.
975
00:50:03,923 --> 00:50:06,089
New York City center opens.
976
00:50:06,172 --> 00:50:08,089
Orange County is wanting
to have a center.
977
00:50:08,172 --> 00:50:10,589
LA has a center. San
Francisco's building a center.
978
00:50:10,673 --> 00:50:12,381
Miami, we're working on
having a center.
979
00:50:12,464 --> 00:50:14,798
London, we're working on
having a center.
980
00:50:14,881 --> 00:50:17,255
Then we have Mexico City center opens.
981
00:50:17,339 --> 00:50:20,506
Guadalajara opens.
Monterrey opens. Leon opens.
982
00:50:20,589 --> 00:50:24,339
And pretty much the entire
Mexican ESP community began.
983
00:50:29,422 --> 00:50:31,964
And everybody
wants to open the next center.
984
00:50:33,255 --> 00:50:35,673
And then I got asked to be
on the executive board.
985
00:50:35,756 --> 00:50:38,798
"Now you can open centers."
And I'm like, "This is great!"
986
00:50:38,881 --> 00:50:41,297
I call Sarah up and I say,
"We're doing it."
987
00:50:41,381 --> 00:50:42,673
- Oh, my God!
- Ready? Ready?
988
00:50:42,756 --> 00:50:44,172
- Yeah.
- Here we go.
989
00:50:44,255 --> 00:50:46,464
This could not have been built
990
00:50:46,547 --> 00:50:50,506
had, um, Prefect Nancy Salzman
not existed.
991
00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:52,089
And had Vanguard not existed.
992
00:50:52,172 --> 00:50:53,547
So, know that we are...
993
00:50:53,631 --> 00:50:55,547
We are standing on
the shoulders of giants.
994
00:50:58,422 --> 00:51:01,381
I just want to say
something. This is so cool.
995
00:51:01,464 --> 00:51:04,798
Being here is so much fun for me.
996
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:08,631
I have nothing but...
997
00:51:08,714 --> 00:51:11,964
the highest esteem for Mark Vicente.
998
00:51:12,047 --> 00:51:13,881
And I know that you know that.
999
00:51:13,964 --> 00:51:15,214
I mean, I hope that you know that.
1000
00:51:15,297 --> 00:51:17,923
He's one of my dearest friends
in the entire world.
1001
00:51:18,005 --> 00:51:20,214
And so it's just a real joy for me
1002
00:51:20,297 --> 00:51:22,714
to support you,
1003
00:51:22,798 --> 00:51:25,673
and to support you...
1004
00:51:25,756 --> 00:51:27,547
Proctor Edmondson.
1005
00:51:27,631 --> 00:51:29,255
I have said in the past
1006
00:51:29,339 --> 00:51:31,714
if I had a couple more teams like this,
1007
00:51:31,798 --> 00:51:34,839
I know I could change the entire world.
1008
00:51:34,923 --> 00:51:36,297
I worked for a company
1009
00:51:36,381 --> 00:51:40,214
that had practices that
were not traditional.
1010
00:51:40,297 --> 00:51:41,798
But everything made sense
1011
00:51:41,881 --> 00:51:44,047
once you understood the meaning
and what the purpose was.
1012
00:51:44,130 --> 00:51:46,756
And that company was teaching ethics,
1013
00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:50,756
and human potential,
and professional development.
1014
00:51:50,839 --> 00:51:53,255
- Bonnie and I went to Keith.
- Okay, ask me.
1015
00:51:53,339 --> 00:51:56,130
And we basically said,
"We're gonna get married."
1016
00:51:56,214 --> 00:51:59,422
And so we're trying to figure out,
like, how would we craft our vows?
1017
00:52:01,923 --> 00:52:03,547
This will help.
1018
00:52:15,047 --> 00:52:18,381
I think he actually
suggested that he could write the vows.
1019
00:52:37,255 --> 00:52:39,381
Do you understand?
1020
00:52:51,631 --> 00:52:53,881
It was pretty much
only NXIVM at the wedding,
1021
00:52:53,964 --> 00:52:56,923
other than, uh, Bonnie's mom.
1022
00:53:03,881 --> 00:53:07,881
We realized later
we'd never had a honeymoon.
1023
00:53:23,673 --> 00:53:26,047
It always gets me by surprise.
1024
00:53:31,089 --> 00:53:33,923
I feel like my life
with Bonnie was stolen.
1025
00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:38,297
And I wanna have that life.
I wanna get it back.
1026
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:44,172
Bonnie got there first.
1027
00:53:47,798 --> 00:53:49,798
It took me longer.
1028
00:55:55,923 --> 00:55:57,631
Keith used to teach some of us that
1029
00:55:57,714 --> 00:55:59,255
on the path to enlightenment,
1030
00:55:59,339 --> 00:56:01,547
you'd reach this barren wasteland,
1031
00:56:01,631 --> 00:56:04,130
just space of nothing,
before you find this...
1032
00:56:04,756 --> 00:56:05,798
ultimate joy.
1033
00:56:07,297 --> 00:56:09,297
I'm having a number of flashbacks.
1034
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:11,255
That only seem bad to me.
1035
00:56:11,464 --> 00:56:15,130
Transition to the feeling of suffering.
1036
00:56:15,214 --> 00:56:17,422
My body was starting to fall apart.
1037
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:19,172
Freedom's not gonna happen
1038
00:56:19,255 --> 00:56:20,172
in the monastery.
1039
00:56:20,464 --> 00:56:22,255
Well, it's not in a monastery.
1040
00:56:22,964 --> 00:56:24,089
It is a prison.
1041
00:56:24,964 --> 00:56:25,881
So you're gonna have to do
1042
00:56:25,964 --> 00:56:27,589
that part of your life without me.
1043
00:56:30,964 --> 00:56:31,964
There's no way out.
1044
00:56:32,464 --> 00:56:35,756
It was like,
there was a crack in the dam.
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