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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,475 [WHOOSH] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:05,445 --> 00:00:07,920 [MUSIC PLAYING] 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:12,375 --> 00:00:14,850 [THEME MUSIC] 6 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:35,480 >> How do we experience the world? 7 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,410 How do we make sense of it, measure it, construct it, 8 00:00:40,410 --> 00:00:42,600 and understand our position in it? 9 00:00:47,060 --> 00:00:50,730 A controversial scientist, Iain McGilchrist, 10 00:00:50,730 --> 00:00:52,980 has developed a radical theory about how 11 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:57,520 our brain interprets the world. 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,520 >> Iain McGilchrist, he's a psychiatrist and author of "The 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,140 Master and His Emissary-- 14 00:01:02,140 --> 00:01:05,860 The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World," 15 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:08,710 about the various implications of the differences 16 00:01:08,710 --> 00:01:11,720 between the two hemispheres in the brain. 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:12,520 Let's start there. 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,320 Like what? 19 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:14,800 >> Two hemispheres have styles-- 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,360 takes, if you like-- on the world. 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,690 They see things differently. 22 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:19,065 They prioritize different things. 23 00:01:19,065 --> 00:01:21,310 There are different values. 24 00:01:21,310 --> 00:01:25,690 The left hemisphere's goal is to enable us to manipulate things. 25 00:01:25,690 --> 00:01:27,460 Whereas, the goal of the right hemisphere 26 00:01:27,460 --> 00:01:31,015 is to relate to things and understand them as a whole. 27 00:01:31,015 --> 00:01:33,640 Two ways of thinking that are both needed, 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,990 but are fundamentally at the same time incompatible. 29 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:42,850 >> McGilchrist claims that the left hemisphere of the brain is 30 00:01:42,850 --> 00:01:46,420 gradually colonizing our experience of the world with 31 00:01:46,420 --> 00:01:49,520 potentially disastrous implications. 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,760 >> The way of thinking which is reductive, 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,640 mechanistic has taken us over. 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,960 We behave like people who had right hemisphere damage. 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:04,550 >> Do we pay a price for being too left hemisphere-centered? 36 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:06,190 >> We may pay the ultimate price, 37 00:02:06,190 --> 00:02:10,419 who treats the world as a simple resource to be exploited. 38 00:02:10,419 --> 00:02:12,280 It's made us enormously powerful. 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,400 It's enabled us to become wealthy. 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,300 But it's also meant that we've lost means 41 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:21,010 to understand the world. 42 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:24,430 >> His revolutionary theory has attracted prominent supporters 43 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:28,180 worldwide, comparing him to Freud and Darwin. 44 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:31,660 >> I think "The Master and His Emissary" was possibly, 45 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:33,395 one of the most important books I read. 46 00:02:33,395 --> 00:02:35,770 >> The idea that there is a distinction between those two 47 00:02:35,770 --> 00:02:40,180 perspectives seems, to me, correct. 48 00:02:40,180 --> 00:02:42,640 And I see it all the time in my own field 49 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:44,020 of clinical psychology. 50 00:02:44,020 --> 00:02:46,360 >> I kind of had one revelation after another. 51 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,420 I mean, it just explains an incredible number of things 52 00:02:49,420 --> 00:02:52,480 that I've always been slightly positive about. 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,580 >> But scientists think he's a heretic. 54 00:02:55,580 --> 00:02:57,230 >> It's a fantastic book. 55 00:02:57,230 --> 00:02:59,950 It's a fantastic book that I don't believe in. 56 00:02:59,950 --> 00:03:02,390 >> The brain is as mechanical as clockwork. 57 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:04,760 A famous English physicist said that. 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,360 Let's just get over that. 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,550 >> Now McGilchrist is on the road. 60 00:03:09,550 --> 00:03:12,580 Invited to speak about his view of the brain and society. 61 00:03:15,730 --> 00:03:18,040 Could the problems of the modern world 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,350 be influenced by an imbalance in the human brain? 63 00:03:24,140 --> 00:03:27,980 And what does that imply about our future? 64 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:30,410 For Iain McGilchrist, the problem 65 00:03:30,410 --> 00:03:36,090 is not only bad politics or a warped economic system. 66 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:39,800 The problem is inside our modern brain. 67 00:03:58,648 --> 00:04:01,128 [WAVES] 68 00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:09,300 >> The landscape speaks very strongly to people. 69 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:16,360 Some people find it a little bit overwhelming. 70 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,910 I suspect it's what the people call 71 00:04:18,910 --> 00:04:21,490 one of their Celtic thin places, where 72 00:04:21,490 --> 00:04:24,880 the world beyond the immediate seems very apparent. 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,930 There is something very special about the whole place. 74 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:37,520 There's a strong energy there from the wildness of nature. 75 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,750 You feel it. 76 00:04:38,750 --> 00:04:42,500 >> It was here that McGilchrist developed his groundbreaking 77 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:43,520 theory. 78 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,600 >> My dad was a doctor and tried to avoid becoming a doctor. 79 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,180 His first degree was in economics. 80 00:04:50,180 --> 00:04:52,220 And I rather repeated the pattern in this. 81 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:54,110 I didn't even begin to be trained in medicine 82 00:04:54,110 --> 00:04:54,935 until was 28. 83 00:04:54,935 --> 00:04:57,122 [NON-ENGLISH SINGING] 84 00:04:59,690 --> 00:05:03,650 >> McGilchrist took an indirect path to reach medicine. 85 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:06,200 As a young man, he taught literature 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,750 at Oxford University. 87 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:12,560 >> After I got my degree, I got a fellowship at All Souls 88 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,470 College, which enabled me to do, really, more or less, 89 00:05:15,470 --> 00:05:17,840 anything I liked intellectually for seven years. 90 00:05:27,940 --> 00:05:31,120 And into that time, I then ended up really 91 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,930 thinking more about the mind-body problem. 92 00:05:34,930 --> 00:05:38,380 When we read a poem or we listen to a piece of music, 93 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:41,020 it can bring tears to your eyes. 94 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:42,520 It can quicken your pulse. 95 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,410 It can raise your blood pressure. 96 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:50,180 In other words, it has enormous effects on you physiologically. 97 00:05:50,180 --> 00:05:52,460 I felt that we were doing something 98 00:05:52,460 --> 00:05:55,670 destructive to literature. 99 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:57,170 People in the past had taken trouble 100 00:05:57,170 --> 00:06:01,460 to create something that was unique, embodied, and implicit. 101 00:06:01,460 --> 00:06:03,230 And we came along and made it general 102 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:04,730 and abstract and explicit. 103 00:06:04,730 --> 00:06:08,940 And making a poem explicit is a bit like explaining a joke. 104 00:06:08,940 --> 00:06:12,070 It just makes it fall flat. 105 00:06:12,070 --> 00:06:15,050 A work of art is an embodied being 106 00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:17,460 that has an encounter with you as an embodied being. 107 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:19,910 It's not a bunch of thought that just has 108 00:06:19,910 --> 00:06:22,710 an encounter with your brain. 109 00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:26,600 The base of the problem was the mind-body relationship. 110 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,350 That we were looking at literature in much 111 00:06:28,350 --> 00:06:30,410 too disembodied a way. 112 00:06:30,410 --> 00:06:32,130 I thought no. 113 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:36,590 I need somehow to tackle this problem. 114 00:06:36,590 --> 00:06:39,246 That was what impelled me to do medicine. 115 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:48,380 >> McGilchrist spent the next 14 years training in neurology 116 00:06:48,380 --> 00:06:50,030 and psychiatry. 117 00:06:50,030 --> 00:06:53,030 It was a journey that took him to the renowned Maudsley 118 00:06:53,030 --> 00:06:54,610 Hospital in London. 119 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:04,210 >> So this was built just around the time of the First World 120 00:07:04,210 --> 00:07:06,700 War. 121 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:11,390 This was one of the many places to which I owe a huge debt. 122 00:07:11,390 --> 00:07:14,810 Because I was seeing an extremely broad cross-section 123 00:07:14,810 --> 00:07:16,130 of patients. 124 00:07:16,130 --> 00:07:17,930 Conditions such as schizophrenia, 125 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:20,375 severe personality disorders, and head injuries. 126 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:29,430 This is an amazing painting by William Kurelek 127 00:07:29,430 --> 00:07:30,804 called "The Maze." 128 00:07:40,105 --> 00:07:42,880 What's interesting is the very human anguish 129 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,835 of this person with his illness. 130 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:56,180 What one is seeing is a change in the whole way in which one 131 00:07:56,180 --> 00:08:00,455 experiences the world due to something out of the ordinary 132 00:08:00,455 --> 00:08:02,125 in brain functioning. 133 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:08,400 Here at the Maudsley Hospital, I had access 134 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,632 to patients for whom the world has become utterly changed. 135 00:08:13,632 --> 00:08:15,090 Particularly interesting to me were 136 00:08:15,090 --> 00:08:17,940 people with either tumors or strokes. 137 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:21,930 Because there, you can localize where the damage is. 138 00:08:21,930 --> 00:08:23,550 You can see it in a scan. 139 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:27,710 And you can then see what happens to that patient. 140 00:08:27,710 --> 00:08:31,220 Good science starts from a really intriguing question. 141 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:33,919 Why is the brain divided? 142 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:38,710 You know, I never heard that asked in any of my training. 143 00:08:38,710 --> 00:08:41,870 It's really what I've been thinking about all my life. 144 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:43,880 About these two different ways in which 145 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,670 we seem to inhabit the world. 146 00:08:46,670 --> 00:08:50,450 And that was the beginning of a 20-year long process in which I 147 00:08:50,450 --> 00:08:53,120 tried to apply myself to the question of what 148 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,550 the differences between these two hemispheres really were. 149 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:06,400 >> Everything we human beings ever do, 150 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,150 no matter how ordinary it seems, has a complex beginning 151 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:12,910 in our brains. 152 00:09:12,910 --> 00:09:14,770 Finding out how the brain does this work 153 00:09:14,770 --> 00:09:17,920 is a study that has fascinated scientists for centuries. 154 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,680 >> The brain is, of course, an enormously complex structure. 155 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,850 In fact, it's kind of redundantly complex. 156 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:24,940 We have two cerebral hemispheres. 157 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:26,560 But it becomes a fascinating question 158 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,110 to know whether the two cerebral hemispheres can 159 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:30,250 operate separately. 160 00:09:30,250 --> 00:09:34,040 >> In the '60s and '70s in California at Caltech, 161 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,650 there was some incredibly important and fascinating work. 162 00:09:38,650 --> 00:09:41,920 And what they were trying to do was 163 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,920 to improve the quality of life for people 164 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,630 with intractable epilepsy. 165 00:09:46,630 --> 00:09:49,030 Now these people might have almost continuous 166 00:09:49,030 --> 00:09:50,800 epileptic seizures. 167 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,530 Which meant that they couldn't really 168 00:09:53,530 --> 00:09:57,130 carry on any kind of normal life. 169 00:09:57,130 --> 00:10:02,290 >> The original idea was based on the notion that if you 170 00:10:02,290 --> 00:10:06,520 isolated a seizure to one half the brain so it could not 171 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,990 spread to the other half brain, when a seizure occurred, 172 00:10:10,990 --> 00:10:13,283 you would prevent a generalized convulsion. 173 00:10:13,283 --> 00:10:14,950 It wouldn't spread throughout the brain. 174 00:10:14,950 --> 00:10:17,075 The patient wouldn't lose generalized consciousness 175 00:10:17,075 --> 00:10:19,370 and you would have helped. 176 00:10:19,370 --> 00:10:23,960 >> Today Michael Gazzaniga is a world-renowned neuroscientist 177 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,460 and vineyard owner. 178 00:10:25,460 --> 00:10:29,150 In the 1960s, he was a grad student participating 179 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:31,160 in radical brain experiments. 180 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,770 >> By sectioning this structure, as can be seen in this half 181 00:10:33,770 --> 00:10:36,920 brain section, called the corpus callosum and it has over 2 182 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,270 million nerve fibers. 183 00:10:38,270 --> 00:10:42,110 And they richly interconnect the two halves of the brain. 184 00:10:42,110 --> 00:10:45,620 What they did was, with some trepidation initially, 185 00:10:45,620 --> 00:10:50,150 to divide this corpus callosum, the main pathway 186 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:53,950 by which the two hemispheres communicate. 187 00:10:53,950 --> 00:10:57,540 And what they found after the operation was that the seizures 188 00:10:57,540 --> 00:10:59,370 largely stopped. 189 00:10:59,370 --> 00:11:02,370 The other thing was it was possible by setting 190 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:04,920 it up carefully controlled experiments 191 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,090 to find out what the reactions of the left 192 00:11:09,090 --> 00:11:12,670 and the right hemisphere were independently. 193 00:11:12,670 --> 00:11:15,880 >> Each side of the brain controls the opposite side 194 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,090 of the body. 195 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:19,660 So the left hemisphere controls the right side 196 00:11:19,660 --> 00:11:22,930 of the body and the right hemisphere communicates 197 00:11:22,930 --> 00:11:23,740 with the left. 198 00:11:26,890 --> 00:11:28,990 >> The patient looks at a screen. 199 00:11:28,990 --> 00:11:31,450 Just imagine fixating on a dot. 200 00:11:31,450 --> 00:11:34,690 And over here, we flash a picture of an apple. 201 00:11:34,690 --> 00:11:36,390 So if it's in the right visual field. 202 00:11:36,390 --> 00:11:38,140 That goes to your left brain. 203 00:11:38,140 --> 00:11:39,960 Left brain's got language and speech. 204 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,250 Patient said that's an apple. 205 00:11:42,250 --> 00:11:45,200 This time, you put the apple over in the left visual field. 206 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,890 That now goes to the right disconnected brain. 207 00:11:49,890 --> 00:11:53,370 And you say to the patient, what did you see? 208 00:11:53,370 --> 00:11:55,268 And the patient says, I didn't see anything. 209 00:11:55,268 --> 00:11:56,310 >> Something on the left. 210 00:11:56,310 --> 00:11:57,110 I know what it is. 211 00:11:57,110 --> 00:11:58,650 I can't say it. 212 00:11:58,650 --> 00:12:00,796 I want to, but I can't. 213 00:12:00,796 --> 00:12:01,870 I know what it is. 214 00:12:01,870 --> 00:12:03,570 >> What's it have to do with? 215 00:12:03,570 --> 00:12:06,730 >> I can't tell you that, either. 216 00:12:06,730 --> 00:12:11,740 >> They found that the left arm and the right arm seem to be 217 00:12:11,740 --> 00:12:13,340 contradicting one another. 218 00:12:13,340 --> 00:12:16,147 So if somebody would select a dress with her right arm, 219 00:12:16,147 --> 00:12:18,730 then the left arm would take it back, and put it on the shelf, 220 00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:20,440 and take out another one. 221 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,060 >> Frustrated. 222 00:12:22,060 --> 00:12:25,030 >> The experiments proved that we have two brains 223 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:25,990 in our heads. 224 00:12:25,990 --> 00:12:27,250 Not just one. 225 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:31,420 But they do not see the world the same way. 226 00:12:31,420 --> 00:12:33,940 >> When I started to do psychiatry, 227 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:37,060 nothing much was said about what the mass of the right 228 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:38,290 hemisphere did. 229 00:12:38,290 --> 00:12:40,420 My training was that the left hemisphere 230 00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:44,050 was very important for understanding and language 231 00:12:44,050 --> 00:12:45,670 and for speaking language. 232 00:12:45,670 --> 00:12:49,000 But that really, what went on in the right hemisphere 233 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,130 was not that significant. 234 00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:57,700 Michael Gazzaniga had said that the right hemisphere 235 00:12:57,700 --> 00:12:59,980 of the human brain had about as much intelligence 236 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:02,080 as a chimpanzee. 237 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,510 And so that wasn't encouraging. 238 00:13:04,510 --> 00:13:06,290 >> Well, I used to give a lecture. 239 00:13:06,290 --> 00:13:09,340 The left hemisphere, don't leave home without it. 240 00:13:09,340 --> 00:13:11,980 And that summarized the importance 241 00:13:11,980 --> 00:13:15,760 I saw to the special modules, we call now systems, 242 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,780 in the left hemisphere. 243 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:19,750 That's where the heavy duty lifting comes 244 00:13:19,750 --> 00:13:21,310 for our complex cognitive life. 245 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,500 >> But in this experiment with a split brain patient, 246 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:30,710 while the right hemisphere is trying to make the cube, 247 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:35,000 the left hemisphere's hand keeps interfering. 248 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,860 Because it doesn't know what it's doing. 249 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:43,070 Yet, the right hemisphere on its own 250 00:13:43,070 --> 00:13:45,065 solves the problem in seconds. 251 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,720 >> All of those who were involved in the team came 252 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,300 to the conclusion that each hemisphere had, if you like, 253 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:57,910 like a different way of looking at the world. 254 00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:59,410 >> You separate the two hemispheres, 255 00:13:59,410 --> 00:14:01,230 you've got mine left, you got mine right. 256 00:14:01,230 --> 00:14:03,090 It's what grabbed everybody's interest. 257 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:05,080 Everybody can understand that. 258 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,310 And so the left talks and is analytical 259 00:14:08,310 --> 00:14:11,640 and the right is creative and pulls stuff together. 260 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,200 And boom. 261 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,030 It was an industry. 262 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:16,990 [MUSIC PLAYING] 263 00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:20,860 >> Thanks to pop psychology, the right and left hemispheres 264 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,050 became cartoon characters. 265 00:14:23,050 --> 00:14:26,650 It was no longer considered serious science. 266 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:29,890 >> The left does language and reason and the right does airy, 267 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:31,315 fairy pictures of image. 268 00:14:31,315 --> 00:14:33,460 And that turned out not to be right. 269 00:14:33,460 --> 00:14:35,890 Because what people found was that over time, 270 00:14:35,890 --> 00:14:37,750 it was obvious that each hemisphere 271 00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:39,580 engages in everything. 272 00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:41,740 So each hemisphere-- right and left-- 273 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:45,730 is involved in reason and in language and in emotion. 274 00:14:45,730 --> 00:14:47,800 But in crucially different ways. 275 00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:54,370 >> Although the pop culture understanding of the left 276 00:14:54,370 --> 00:14:57,040 and right hemisphere was eventually rejected, 277 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,160 a central question still remained. 278 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,360 >> Why does the brain have two centers of consciousness, 279 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,050 each capable of maintaining consciousness on its own 280 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:11,020 involved in everything, but in a different way? 281 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:22,530 But it was only when I came to look at the animal literature 282 00:15:22,530 --> 00:15:24,960 that just, the penny dropped. 283 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Professor Gunturkun. 284 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,930 >> Hey, Iain. 285 00:15:27,930 --> 00:15:29,710 >> How nice of you to see me. 286 00:15:29,710 --> 00:15:30,510 >> Absolutely. 287 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:30,810 Fantastic. 288 00:15:30,810 --> 00:15:31,650 How are you, Iain? 289 00:15:31,650 --> 00:15:32,520 >> Lovely to meet you. 290 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,300 >> Absolutely. 291 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:34,100 Same with me. 292 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,360 >> I apologize for delays. 293 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,660 >> No problem at all. 294 00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:38,820 This university is a maze. 295 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:40,500 >> Just completely lost. 296 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:42,270 >> It's an absolute maze. 297 00:15:42,270 --> 00:15:45,990 >> Dr. Onur Gunturkun is a leading researcher in the field 298 00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:47,700 of animal neurology. 299 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:52,890 He focuses on how birds use each half of their brain. 300 00:15:52,890 --> 00:15:55,020 >> These are the animals with the eye rings. 301 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:56,900 >> Using the Velcro, you can cover one eye at a time. 302 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:57,325 >> Exactly. 303 00:15:57,325 --> 00:15:57,750 Exactly. 304 00:15:57,750 --> 00:15:59,640 So there is a little cap that we have. 305 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,660 And then the animal just sees with its left or right eye. 306 00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:06,520 Because, as you know, the optic nerves cross completely. 307 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,320 >> Yes. 308 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,630 >> So everything the right eye sees goes to the left 309 00:16:09,630 --> 00:16:12,660 hemisphere and vise versa. 310 00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:15,570 >> Gunturkun devised a test where pigeons were trained 311 00:16:15,570 --> 00:16:19,680 to recognize human beings in vacation photos. 312 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,690 Each time the birds recognized there 313 00:16:21,690 --> 00:16:25,590 was a person in a picture, they were rewarded. 314 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:30,480 >> After a while, they start to understand there are pictures 315 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,840 with humans and there are pictures without humans. 316 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,200 >> But then the birds were given a harder challenge. 317 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,140 >> Now we can start to alter the pictures. 318 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:44,880 We cut out the head, we cut out the arm, we cut out the trunk, 319 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,460 and spread it across the picture. 320 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:49,830 It is like a slaughtering scene. 321 00:16:49,830 --> 00:16:52,200 We take the pictures and chop them 322 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,170 in smaller and smaller and smaller pieces. 323 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:57,750 The left hemisphere says, OK. 324 00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:58,660 I see a head. 325 00:16:58,660 --> 00:16:59,460 I see eyes. 326 00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:00,360 I see a nose. 327 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,160 That's a human. 328 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,490 I'm packing on it. 329 00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:06,810 The right hemisphere now says, this is no human anymore. 330 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:10,440 The right hemisphere requires the correct position 331 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,160 of the human body to recognize the human. 332 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,810 So that means both hemispheres are doing an excellent job. 333 00:17:18,810 --> 00:17:21,030 Both hemispheres contribute. 334 00:17:21,030 --> 00:17:24,750 And both hemispheres can decide human or non-human, 335 00:17:24,750 --> 00:17:27,329 but they do it with different cognitive strategies. 336 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,280 When pigeons are up to find food, 337 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,310 they have to discriminate grain from pebbles. 338 00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:41,280 So that one hemisphere is really concentrating 339 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,620 on the tiny little details of the food, 340 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:46,950 while the other one is glancing into the environment. 341 00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:53,860 And is on quick alert if an aerial predator is coming. 342 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:55,720 >> This is fundamental to survival. 343 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,570 And that was the moment at which I realized 344 00:17:58,570 --> 00:18:03,400 this is profoundly important to all beings that 345 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:09,420 have to solve the conundrum of how to eat and stay alive. 346 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:12,800 >> McGilchrist realized that in human beings, 347 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,550 these two different kinds of attention played out in much 348 00:18:15,550 --> 00:18:17,740 more complex ways. 349 00:18:17,740 --> 00:18:21,520 >> You won't find a neurologist anywhere in the world who will 350 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,950 dispute that there is different kinds of attention paid 351 00:18:23,950 --> 00:18:27,550 by the left and right hemisphere. 352 00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:30,280 Then, very clearly, each hemisphere 353 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,430 must find a different world. 354 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:37,470 What would those two worlds look like? 355 00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:41,350 >> McGilchrist observed that the left hemisphere gives a narrow, 356 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:45,520 sharply-focused attention to detail. 357 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,480 Without understanding the larger context. 358 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,840 It sees objects in relation to their usefulness. 359 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,510 It's in charge of the right hand, which 360 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:57,860 has the power to manipulate things 361 00:18:57,860 --> 00:19:01,270 such as tools and technology. 362 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:04,570 But it can't make human connections. 363 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:07,390 It doesn't understand relationships, humor, 364 00:19:07,390 --> 00:19:09,550 tone of voice. 365 00:19:09,550 --> 00:19:12,790 Things and people are not unique and individual. 366 00:19:12,790 --> 00:19:15,280 But groups that it can organize, sort, 367 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,970 and file in a system of rules and linear connections. 368 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:27,780 On its own, it has no sense of the whole. 369 00:19:27,780 --> 00:19:30,900 Even people are seen as body parts. 370 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:33,990 The world of the left hemisphere is lifeless. 371 00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:37,290 It shatters the world into an assortment of bits 372 00:19:37,290 --> 00:19:39,840 without meaning. 373 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,600 The right hemisphere, by contrast, 374 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,330 sees the broad view of the world. 375 00:19:46,330 --> 00:19:47,730 It is the master of the brain. 376 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:54,570 It perceives an interconnected world. 377 00:19:54,570 --> 00:19:57,910 It understands relationships, body language, 378 00:19:57,910 --> 00:20:00,570 facial expression, and implicit meaning. 379 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:07,580 The right hemisphere engages with life, 380 00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:10,455 understands movement, story, and metaphor. 381 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,515 It forces how humanity fits into the whole of creation. 382 00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:25,560 The divided brain gives us two types 383 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,570 of attention, two ways of engaging with the world. 384 00:20:30,570 --> 00:20:35,290 It has made us the most powerful species on Earth. 385 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:43,110 But the left hemisphere's narrow kind of attention 386 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:51,390 reminded McGilchrist of something else, our world. 387 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:53,840 [TRAIN TRACKS] 388 00:21:03,150 --> 00:21:05,480 >> I began thinking about how in public life, 389 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,870 everything has become more regulated, more rule-bound, 390 00:21:09,870 --> 00:21:10,670 more explicit. 391 00:21:15,290 --> 00:21:19,520 For the last 100 years, a way of thinking which is reductive, 392 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,670 mechanistic has taken us over. 393 00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:28,400 It's enabled us to manipulate the world, to grab resources, 394 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,230 to become wealthy. 395 00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:38,290 But it's also meant that we've lost the means 396 00:21:38,290 --> 00:21:40,360 to feel satisfaction and fulfillment 397 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,715 through our place in the world. 398 00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:47,810 And we created outside ourselves, 399 00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:51,470 a world which, very much, looked like the interior world 400 00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:53,480 of the left hemisphere. 401 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,470 Rigid lines of things that were rolled out 402 00:21:57,470 --> 00:22:00,980 mechanically and were non-unique. 403 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,820 Bureaucracy is in its element. 404 00:22:08,820 --> 00:22:13,110 It depends on qualities which the left hemisphere provide-- 405 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:19,650 organized ability, anonymity, standardization, uniformity, 406 00:22:19,650 --> 00:22:21,390 abstraction, and so on. 407 00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:27,240 Systems designed to maximize utility, 408 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,840 there will be a loss of cohesion socially 409 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,120 because the left hemisphere needs control. 410 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,270 And there's a lack of trust and a lot of paranoia 411 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:40,860 that we need for CCTV and monitoring of all kinds. 412 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,260 [TYPING] 413 00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:51,210 The left hemisphere is the quick and dirty one. 414 00:22:51,210 --> 00:22:53,190 Because it has to make action. 415 00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:54,960 It likes things to be black and white. 416 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,490 What do you mean there's half or ambiguity or metaphor? 417 00:22:59,490 --> 00:23:00,960 I want to know the facts. 418 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,300 It's like this or it's that. 419 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,330 People think, well, the left hemisphere is surely, 420 00:23:06,330 --> 00:23:07,710 the basis for our intelligence. 421 00:23:07,710 --> 00:23:10,770 It's the one that does all that analysis. 422 00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:12,520 But actually, this is not the case. 423 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,120 There's a lot of evidence that the really critical one 424 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,070 from a point of view of intelligence 425 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:20,020 is the right hemisphere. 426 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:22,450 Another important difference-- a very important one-- 427 00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:25,060 is that between fixity and flow, so things 428 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:27,160 in the left hemisphere are fixed. 429 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,920 Whereas in the right hemisphere, flow 430 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,640 is what it sees and understands. 431 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,800 Now, that is very profound. 432 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,280 That actually changes the whole nature of what life is. 433 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,270 Nothing is just isolated. 434 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:42,880 It is always part of a flow. 435 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,920 Things can only be understood in context. 436 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,960 When you take them out, they change. 437 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,690 When you grab them and put them in the spotlight of attention 438 00:23:49,690 --> 00:23:52,210 and make them explicit, they change their nature. 439 00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:53,800 Jokes, for example. 440 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,490 Sex, for example. 441 00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:57,361 Religion, for example. 442 00:23:57,361 --> 00:23:59,716 [APPLAUSE] 443 00:24:00,912 --> 00:24:02,120 >> Thank you very much, Iain. 444 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,662 What I want to ask you is, how do you 445 00:24:03,662 --> 00:24:06,378 guard this idea as it unfolds in the next few years? 446 00:24:06,378 --> 00:24:07,920 >> Well, that's a very good question. 447 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,720 And I'm-- 448 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,840 >> There's something, I think, very counterintuitive, 449 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,595 a little bizarre, a little-- it evokes incredulity in people. 450 00:24:16,595 --> 00:24:19,100 And when I first heard it, I thought that, that 451 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:20,930 sounds really strange. 452 00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:23,330 Iain's saying things that other people haven't seen. 453 00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:25,460 The fundamental thing he's saying 454 00:24:25,460 --> 00:24:27,668 is the philosophical notion that what matters 455 00:24:27,668 --> 00:24:29,210 is not what the brain hemispheres do, 456 00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:31,190 but how they do it. 457 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:34,562 There are times when we're very focused, very explicit 458 00:24:34,562 --> 00:24:36,020 and there are times when we're more 459 00:24:36,020 --> 00:24:40,430 nuanced and implicit and contextual. 460 00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:42,330 You do begin to notice it in certain places. 461 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:45,050 So the, sort of, creeping bureaucratization 462 00:24:45,050 --> 00:24:47,960 that you sense, the fragmentation of knowledge, 463 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,450 the over-reliance on quantification, 464 00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:53,060 the obsession with evidence-based policy. 465 00:24:53,060 --> 00:24:55,280 And the desire for data-- 466 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,510 the, sort of, fetishization of data, really. 467 00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:03,020 And the losing touch with broader patterns of judgment 468 00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:06,320 and taste and discernment. 469 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,020 >> Many of my McGilchrist's insights into the brain 470 00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:13,235 hemispheres have come from patients who have had strokes. 471 00:25:13,235 --> 00:25:15,710 [MUSIC - JURG KESSELRING] 472 00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:33,780 >> Jurg Kesselring is a great neurologist. 473 00:25:33,780 --> 00:25:37,260 He's a clinician, but also, a philosopher 474 00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:38,850 and a great musician, as it happens. 475 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,584 [APPLAUSE] 476 00:26:01,030 --> 00:26:03,870 >> You see how hard life is in the mountains? 477 00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:04,810 >> It is very hard. 478 00:26:04,810 --> 00:26:06,340 I see that. 479 00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:10,250 >> You want to do something serious and then the laughing 480 00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:11,050 winds. 481 00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:13,473 >> Come and blow everything. 482 00:26:17,234 --> 00:26:19,146 >> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]. 483 00:26:48,850 --> 00:26:51,170 >> Something you must go to and-- 484 00:26:51,170 --> 00:26:53,130 [LAUGHING] 485 00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:54,790 Also, therapy's everywhere. 486 00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:56,420 And over here-- 487 00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:58,672 >> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]. 488 00:26:58,672 --> 00:27:00,640 [LAUGHING] 489 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:10,900 >> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] 490 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,930 >> It's been fascinating going around and seeing some 491 00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:15,760 of the patients that you have here. 492 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,505 And I remember you telling me about some cases. 493 00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:20,305 You mentioned-- 494 00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:23,330 >> One I remember well, there was a gentleman who is 495 00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:24,130 a writer. 496 00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:26,350 He's writing travel books. 497 00:27:26,350 --> 00:27:33,070 And one night, he woke up and felt an arm next to him. 498 00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:35,470 And then he thought, well, who could that be? 499 00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:38,440 Because my wife said she will stay 500 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,270 in Basel and another place. 501 00:27:40,270 --> 00:27:41,950 So it cannot be her. 502 00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:45,610 And then he turned on the light and saw this arm 503 00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:49,240 and threw it out of the bed and followed it 504 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,010 because it was his arm. 505 00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:53,440 And then he realized lying on the ground 506 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,860 that something must be wrong. 507 00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:58,720 And he went by his own car-- with his own car 508 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,600 into the hospital. 509 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,840 >> This patient relies on her left hemisphere. 510 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,885 She's been asked to spread sauce over the entire pizza. 511 00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:22,120 >> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] 512 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,760 >> What is the definition of neglect? 513 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,450 That people behave as if one part of their outer space 514 00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:30,760 would not exist. 515 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,930 This part of her surroundings does not exist for her. 516 00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:37,510 >> Now we change the perspective. 517 00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:39,160 >> We turn it. 518 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,190 But I don't have any here. 519 00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:43,540 >> You wanted it here? 520 00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:43,900 >> Huh? 521 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:44,700 >> And here? 522 00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:48,230 >> And she's surprised there was no tomato sauce anymore. 523 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,900 >> For people and animals, the effect of losing the right 524 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,880 hemisphere is the same. 525 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,450 >> The left hemisphere on its own is deeply deluded, in fact, 526 00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:06,600 and is unaware of its deficit. 527 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,670 It doesn't have insight. 528 00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:11,730 And it doesn't realize what it is it's missing. 529 00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:14,310 >> Hi, Mr. Cohen. 530 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:15,280 Hi, Miriam. 531 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,490 >> Hi, doctor, how are you? 532 00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:17,290 >> I'm good. 533 00:29:17,290 --> 00:29:21,360 >> Six months ago, Miriam Cohen collapsed from an aneurysm. 534 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,830 >> Look at my eyes. 535 00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:24,510 And I'm gonna put some fingers up 536 00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:27,330 and you tell me how many fingers you see now. 537 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,320 Don't look over there. 538 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,040 Look at me. 539 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,930 Now? 540 00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:34,470 >> Since then, she's been relying primarily on her left 541 00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:35,880 hemisphere. 542 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,140 >> Now? 543 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:40,570 >> It was a fortunate thing for me that he just happened to be 544 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:41,370 working. 545 00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:42,720 >> That's very strong. 546 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,030 >> Because-- and I thanked him later on. 547 00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:51,140 I said to him, if you weren't there, I wouldn't be here. 548 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,020 >> One, two, three. 549 00:29:59,020 --> 00:30:00,150 >> Yeah. 550 00:30:00,150 --> 00:30:03,190 >> She had quite a severe case of neglect. 551 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:05,730 At the beginning, she was the same patient 552 00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:08,900 who wouldn't know her own head. 553 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,460 Neglect's an interesting thing. 554 00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:14,060 People who have strokes, particularly 555 00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:17,240 in the right parietal area, the patients 556 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:23,090 will not have an awareness of the left side of their world. 557 00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:31,200 >> I would start my writing not on the left hand side, 558 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,125 I would start it in the middle of the page. 559 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,610 It's not that I couldn't see it. 560 00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:41,440 I could see it, but my brain wouldn't 561 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,570 register that it was there. 562 00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:45,100 >> Open. 563 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:50,440 >> Miriam's stroke left her with a skewed sense of reality. 564 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,970 >> She hallucinated. 565 00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:52,970 She's an accountant. 566 00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:56,747 So she would see numbers everywhere. 567 00:30:59,550 --> 00:31:02,860 >> She also was adamant that there was a woman sharing her 568 00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:03,660 room. 569 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:08,670 >> She was there. 570 00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:10,826 You never saw her. 571 00:31:10,826 --> 00:31:12,640 I said why are you in my room? 572 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,680 This is not your room. 573 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,840 This is my room. 574 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,700 >> These are not people who are mad. 575 00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:23,320 These delusions are mostly due to problems 576 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,540 in the right hemisphere. 577 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:30,770 >> So if anyone talks about the right side of the brain 578 00:31:30,770 --> 00:31:34,910 and the left side of the brain, that is my goal in life to find 579 00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:40,010 a good balance between these two ways of looking at the world 580 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:43,370 and acting upon the world. 581 00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:46,220 But I'm convinced, of course, that many 582 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:50,600 of us with the two hemispheres functioning beautifully 583 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,975 have neglect for great parts of the world. 584 00:32:03,262 --> 00:32:05,720 >> Well, one of the primary features of the left hemisphere 585 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,040 is that you often find this enormous capacity for denial, 586 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,550 this capacity to just ignore things and keep them shut out. 587 00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:20,050 I think what Iain's trying to say 588 00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:22,180 is that there's a certain disconnection 589 00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:25,060 from the natural world gradually happening. 590 00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:27,100 We're living in cities much more. 591 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,640 We are distracted much more. 592 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,367 We have more claims on our attention. 593 00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:38,860 The problem is when a completely urban life shuts you off 594 00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:42,880 from the ecological resources that sustain the life you have. 595 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,270 They're all hidden from us. 596 00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:47,890 I mean, our electricity, our gas, our water, 597 00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:51,010 our food sources, we don't know where they're coming from. 598 00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:54,010 So there's a kind of delusion, really, at the heart 599 00:32:54,010 --> 00:32:55,810 of modern urban life. 600 00:32:55,810 --> 00:32:57,310 This sort of implicit understanding 601 00:32:57,310 --> 00:33:01,290 that we're a part of nature is no longer a default position. 602 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,960 People broadly accept climate change as a global phenomenon, 603 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,870 that humans are causing it, that it's very serious, 604 00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:13,150 that we can and should do something quickly, 605 00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:15,890 and that if we don't, there'll be very serious effects. 606 00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:19,320 But we live as if that knowledge was not there. 607 00:33:21,698 --> 00:33:23,990 We've got to look at it from the perspective of science 608 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:27,140 and perspective of technology, from law, from culture, 609 00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:29,930 from democracy, from behavior, from money. 610 00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:33,230 And to do that requires a form of perception and understanding 611 00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:35,480 that isn't going to come from the left hemisphere that 612 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,795 wants to slice and dice and execute quickly. 613 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,030 >> To make quick decisions, the left hemisphere relies 614 00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:52,090 on abstractions, categories, and models of the world. 615 00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:56,020 >> Economists have been amongst the most frequent 616 00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:59,560 of my correspondents, saying you describe precisely the world 617 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,710 in which I operate. 618 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,130 >> The tendency to get fixed with models, 619 00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:10,960 almost to fetishize them, has led us astray in many ways, 620 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,699 historically. 621 00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,040 Versions of instrumental rationality, 622 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,375 reductive reasoning that we associate with the left brain. 623 00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:19,175 >> Yes. 624 00:34:19,175 --> 00:34:24,290 >> Taking finance through boom bust cycles where people have 625 00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:26,870 failed to see what's plainly obvious in front 626 00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:32,540 of their noses, that we're in potential bubbles and so forth. 627 00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:34,250 The financial system was supposed 628 00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:37,130 to have been based on certain models 629 00:34:37,130 --> 00:34:39,440 and assumptions of 8% returns. 630 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,690 It was supposed to have given people 631 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:47,280 the ability to lead a certain decency of a future life. 632 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,790 >> The closing numbers on the markets today, at one point, 633 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:52,170 the market fell-- 634 00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:55,134 >> We're down by between 3% and 4.5%, generally, 635 00:34:55,134 --> 00:34:55,969 across this market. 636 00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:57,815 [INTERPOSING VOICES] 637 00:34:57,815 --> 00:35:00,852 >> Now we're down-- 638 00:35:00,852 --> 00:35:01,710 >> 21% 639 00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:03,910 >> 43% 640 00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:06,690 >> --over in Frankfurt is down by 9%. 641 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,630 >> Yes, we can certainly think of the crisis, in some measure, 642 00:35:09,630 --> 00:35:13,560 as being traceable to an excessive reliance on certain 643 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,690 forms of modeling, on algorithms which was used to price 644 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:21,850 mortgage-backed securities and the subprime portions, 645 00:35:21,850 --> 00:35:26,300 most significantly. 646 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,270 >> Everyone thought, yeah, well, I'm such a brilliant at this 647 00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:30,590 market. 648 00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:32,270 It keeps going up-- 649 00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:35,960 until it doesn't, until one day you wake up 650 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,660 and people are jumping out of windows. 651 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:43,820 We see traders celebrating with 1,000-pound bottles 652 00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:46,220 of champagne. 653 00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:49,370 And on the other side of that exact trade, 654 00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:52,430 there are people committing suicide. 655 00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:53,750 That clarifies the mind. 656 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:55,700 When you suddenly think, hang on, 657 00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,790 this is not just an electronic platform 658 00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:01,700 which spikes on a chart. 659 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,100 There's a global, real consequence 660 00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,310 to any action that is done in any market. 661 00:36:15,490 --> 00:36:20,890 I think it's so fundamentally wrong. 662 00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:23,740 At 2 o'clock in the morning, I woke up and I said to my wife, 663 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:25,070 I'm not doing this. 664 00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:26,960 I cannot do this. 665 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,420 We're serving a system that we cannot control. 666 00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:32,950 You're not cleverer than the market. 667 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:36,370 It's the market that's clever. 668 00:36:36,370 --> 00:36:40,900 >> When mortgage holders in Orange County, California, 669 00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,090 start defaulting on their mortgages, 670 00:36:43,090 --> 00:36:45,680 and then all of a sudden, the whole nation of Iceland goes 671 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,480 bust. 672 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,340 So this level of intense correlation 673 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:50,260 is something we need to be deeply aware of 674 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:54,340 and try to come up with some new, more sustainable paradigms 675 00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:55,330 of how we do finance. 676 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,160 >> Economics detached from a robust, 677 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,010 resourceful picture of human well-being is very dangerous. 678 00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:13,870 That's what we're living with in large parts of the globe. 679 00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:17,530 We seem to take it as absolutely self-evident 680 00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:21,100 that unlimited material growth is 681 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,020 the best thing we can hope for. 682 00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:28,810 And I think the biggest single task is thinking again 683 00:37:28,810 --> 00:37:31,420 through that question of growth and why 684 00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:35,500 it's so obvious a target and why some kinds of growth 685 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,270 are, of course, privileged over the notion 686 00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:40,840 of the growth of real human well-being and understanding. 687 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,380 >> We've become terrifically clever at technical matters. 688 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:47,200 But technical matters are only interesting if they 689 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,845 can be there in the service of a long-term vision. 690 00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:58,090 >> If our society acts as if the left hemisphere is in control, 691 00:37:58,090 --> 00:38:01,440 how would the right hemisphere view the world? 692 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,640 One scientist reveals her first-hand experience. 693 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,230 >> Jill Bolte Taylor is a neuroanatomist and someone 694 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:12,630 who's also experienced a stroke. 695 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:15,870 >> But on the morning of December 10, 1996, 696 00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:20,370 I woke up to discover that I had a brain disorder of my own. 697 00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:24,900 A blood vessel exploded in the left half of my brain. 698 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,150 And in the course of four hours, I 699 00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:31,170 watched my brain completely deteriorate in its ability 700 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:33,930 to process all information. 701 00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:37,080 Then I realized, oh my gosh, I'm having a stroke. 702 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,400 I'm having a stroke. 703 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,090 And then the next thing my brain says to me is, wow, 704 00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:43,140 this is so cool. 705 00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:45,080 [LAUGHTER] 706 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,860 This is so cool. 707 00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:49,770 How many brain scientists have the opportunity 708 00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:52,310 to study their own brain from the inside out? 709 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,640 Dr. McGilchrist. 710 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,440 >> Hey. 711 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,430 >> What an honor. 712 00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:58,940 Thank you. 713 00:38:58,940 --> 00:38:59,780 >> Real good to see you. 714 00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:00,740 >> I'll give you a little tour. 715 00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:01,698 >> Thank you very much. 716 00:39:01,698 --> 00:39:04,190 >> So this is, uh-- well, this is my main space. 717 00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:06,890 I do the stained glass brains. 718 00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:09,570 And this is my cosmic brain. 719 00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:11,940 This is actually right hemisphere, left hemisphere. 720 00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:12,740 >> OK. 721 00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:15,470 >> It's a piece called "Neural Processing." 722 00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:17,490 And I've just started limestone carving. 723 00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:18,290 >> Oh, yeah. 724 00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:19,670 >> And then I did a little brain. 725 00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:20,120 >> Right. 726 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,550 >> And they're just going to get bigger and bigger. 727 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:23,420 I have all kinds. 728 00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:24,295 >> That sounds great. 729 00:39:24,295 --> 00:39:26,090 >> Big ones, little ones, real ones. 730 00:39:26,090 --> 00:39:28,050 I just think the brain is totally cool. 731 00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:28,880 >> Mm-hmm. 732 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,870 Oh, right. 733 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:35,150 [MUSIC PLAYING] 734 00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:38,900 >> And then right here is an arteriovenous malformation, 735 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,588 which was where mine was when it blew. 736 00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:43,532 [SIREN SOUNDING] 737 00:39:43,532 --> 00:39:45,900 [EMERGENCY RADIO CHATTER] 738 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,360 On the morning of the stroke, I ended up in the hospital. 739 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,920 And I wake up later that afternoon, 740 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,440 and everybody else is freaking out because I'm drooling 741 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,600 and I'm paralyzed. 742 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,210 I didn't have language for five weeks. 743 00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:02,700 I had a completely silent mind, no language whatsoever. 744 00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,790 Yeah, my mom was my best friend. 745 00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:10,370 And of course, she ended up rearing me twice. 746 00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:12,530 I wasn't that woman I had been anymore. 747 00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:13,510 She died. 748 00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:16,840 The woman I had been died that day, no question. 749 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,770 No question. 750 00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:20,150 I didn't have her friends. 751 00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:21,410 I didn't have her knowledge. 752 00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:23,960 I didn't have anything in common with her, 753 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,220 other than I was going to be in this body. 754 00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:29,900 Mom would take me to the store. 755 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,410 People are rushing to buy all these products, 756 00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:36,380 bombarding the sensory systems. 757 00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:39,440 Too much stimulation. 758 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,890 I always say to people who have lost the left brain 759 00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:45,200 and they're open to the big picture right hemisphere, 760 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,350 they can read people like nobody can. 761 00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:52,010 Truthtelling, the relationship between tone of voice 762 00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:54,860 and facial expression and body expression, these people 763 00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:59,120 should be hired by police departments and anybody who 764 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,130 really needs a good lie detection. 765 00:41:01,130 --> 00:41:03,560 Because it's obvious. 766 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,810 >> What can it be like? 767 00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:06,350 Can you try and give us some idea 768 00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:09,830 of what it's like to think and to know you're thinking 769 00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:11,310 but not to have words? 770 00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:12,720 Is that very frustrating? 771 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,180 >> There's zero frustration. 772 00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:17,000 I think the frustration comes from the left brain not 773 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,240 being able to express itself. 774 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:19,040 >> Yeah. 775 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,910 >> I didn't have that. 776 00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:21,202 >> You didn't really feel that. 777 00:41:21,202 --> 00:41:22,310 >> I felt none of that. 778 00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:23,730 It was wonderful. 779 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,450 And the state of blissfulness feels like awe. 780 00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,620 My experience became the energy in the space between us. 781 00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:30,420 >> Right 782 00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:32,470 >> It wasn't about me and you. 783 00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:37,550 It was about the experience of all of us. 784 00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:38,520 >> Right. 785 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,390 >> I think you and I have a whole lot in common. 786 00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:43,640 I think the difference is significant, though. 787 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,790 But I think that's because I'm experiential. 788 00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:49,640 I agree with you completely that our society has completely 789 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,710 shifted and skewed to the left. 790 00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:55,960 And with that, comes the left hemisphere value structure. 791 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,160 Yeah, I agree with you completely. 792 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,380 >> It's too simple to be able to just say what 793 00:42:02,380 --> 00:42:05,140 she's experiencing is the activity of the right 794 00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:06,040 hemisphere. 795 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,170 I think it's more complex than that. 796 00:42:08,170 --> 00:42:12,350 But one cannot deny is that that is her experience. 797 00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:14,660 And you know, she's done fantastic work 798 00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:15,670 on the basis of it. 799 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:25,450 >> Strokes are one way to learn about the right hemisphere. 800 00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:28,555 But there is a time of life when we are all experts. 801 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:33,725 >> So, hey! 802 00:42:33,725 --> 00:42:35,478 They don't need microphones. 803 00:42:35,478 --> 00:42:36,590 >> [LAUGHS] 804 00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:37,390 Hi, guys. 805 00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:38,950 Yeah! 806 00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:41,890 >> Colwyn Trevarthen, and he's done important research 807 00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:45,610 on childhood development in terms of their hemispheric 808 00:42:45,610 --> 00:42:48,130 activity. 809 00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:51,730 Tell me more about what happens in terms of hemisphere shift 810 00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:53,860 in the way in which we bring up our children. 811 00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:55,110 >> There's a complementarity. 812 00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:55,640 >> Absolutely. 813 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,510 >> They work together. 814 00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:57,310 >> Yes. 815 00:42:57,310 --> 00:43:00,490 >> But there are periods when one hemisphere is growing more 816 00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:05,210 rapidly and taking more responsibility for controlling 817 00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:06,320 behavior. 818 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,000 And in the first couple of years, 819 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,330 the right hemisphere is definitely more active. 820 00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:12,475 >> Yeah, yeah. 821 00:43:12,475 --> 00:43:16,640 >> And enjoying imitation and games right from immediately 822 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,440 after birth. 823 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,400 >> Yes. 824 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,360 >> Babies have a great interest in sharing rituals, 825 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,630 little peculiar things like nursery songs and clever, 826 00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:28,835 clappy, handy action games. 827 00:43:31,570 --> 00:43:33,560 >> [LAUGHS] 828 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,850 >> Children make music and dance long before they can speak. 829 00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:43,730 They communicate through body language, music, and rhythm. 830 00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:45,800 >> Musicality is the innate need, 831 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,762 the urge for human beings to move in expressive ways. 832 00:43:50,762 --> 00:43:51,595 And it can be dance. 833 00:43:51,595 --> 00:43:52,760 It can be music. 834 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,690 It can be poetry. 835 00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:55,410 It can be anything. 836 00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:59,260 And that's what art is, art is the cultivation of play. 837 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:00,070 >> Hello. 838 00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:02,310 >> Do you like this place? 839 00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:04,270 >> It's our nursery. 840 00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:05,860 >> What's the most fun thing about it? 841 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,100 Right. 842 00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:10,930 Right. 843 00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:14,050 >> Well, there's been a revolution in psychology. 844 00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:17,650 It's now clear that everything is embodied in movement, 845 00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:21,010 movement and time have been neglected by people 846 00:44:21,010 --> 00:44:25,370 concentrating on information. 847 00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:28,270 The difference between that and formal schooling 848 00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:30,520 is that formal schooling assumes that they 849 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,710 have a lot of knowledge to learn and they have 850 00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:34,201 to be taught by skilled adults. 851 00:44:34,201 --> 00:44:35,001 >> Yes. 852 00:44:35,001 --> 00:44:38,230 [BELL RINGING] 853 00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:42,400 >> As children get older, their left hemisphere matures. 854 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,070 It starts showing its talent for spoken and written language. 855 00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:50,030 The school curriculum moves away from areas where 856 00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:51,485 the right hemisphere excels. 857 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,050 >> There is a kind of westernization or, as he would 858 00:44:58,050 --> 00:45:04,560 put it, a left hemispherization of the way we approach 859 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,270 the world, the development of a kind of technical 860 00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:17,580 problem-solving attitude to our lives, certainly in education. 861 00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:19,590 Almost everybody on the planet now 862 00:45:19,590 --> 00:45:22,290 goes to the same kind of school. 863 00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:26,280 And your life trajectory is determined by how good you 864 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,800 are at that kind of learning. 865 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,760 The more embodied the subjects of the school curriculum-- 866 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,460 physical education, drama-- the lower 867 00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:39,800 down the hierarchy of esteem it is, 868 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,900 you can drop them as early as you like. 869 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,400 They get less time in the curriculum. 870 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,750 So this imbalance is absolutely institutional. 871 00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:54,180 It's in the bone marrow of our educational system. 872 00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:57,720 >> Look around, and many of the models we habitually use 873 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:01,230 in education, many of the models that often the government 874 00:46:01,230 --> 00:46:04,630 promotes in education are mechanistic, narrowing, 875 00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:05,430 and dull. 876 00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:08,258 They buy into all the problems that we see. 877 00:46:08,258 --> 00:46:11,190 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 878 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:13,590 >> So this is a person who's giving off light. 879 00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:17,670 And do all people give off light or just this person? 880 00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:21,521 >> It's like, like this-- 881 00:46:21,521 --> 00:46:22,745 >> It's like the personality. 882 00:46:22,745 --> 00:46:23,140 >> Yeah. 883 00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:24,060 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. 884 00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:24,870 So some people-- 885 00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:27,810 We need people to think rigorously, to be literate, 886 00:46:27,810 --> 00:46:30,930 to be able to use models, to be careful and articulate 887 00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:32,460 and lucid. 888 00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:35,190 My concern is that, far from asking too much, 889 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:39,020 we ask too little of our children. 890 00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:42,870 Far too often education is about ingesting information, 891 00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:46,080 not about learning how to think independently and critically 892 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,483 and on many different levels at once. 893 00:46:48,483 --> 00:46:51,201 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 894 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,590 >> In universities, the left hemisphere's way of thinking 895 00:46:55,590 --> 00:46:58,740 becomes even more dominant. 896 00:46:58,740 --> 00:47:02,280 As students specialize in narrow fields, 897 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,760 theories and categories become important. 898 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,600 >> It's sad because also the humanities, at some level, 899 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,190 have been corrupted. 900 00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:14,040 When one reads a piece of literature, 901 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,040 it's not experienced in terms of what can it 902 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,620 teach us about the universal experience of being 903 00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:21,630 a human being. 904 00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:26,400 Rather, it's how can it be seen in the context 905 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,920 of some narrow vision of identity politics. 906 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,030 In the Academy, there's a lot of fuss over trigger words 907 00:47:34,030 --> 00:47:37,830 and everyone warring over language. 908 00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,500 >> What certainly would not happen is that things would be 909 00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:42,300 calm. 910 00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:45,060 Because the left hemisphere is quite emotional. 911 00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:48,960 And one emotion that lateralizes particularly clearly is anger. 912 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:54,060 And it lateralizes to the left, to discourse 913 00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,730 in public would become marked by anger and aggression. 914 00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:59,005 [YELLING] 915 00:47:59,005 --> 00:47:59,915 >> Boo! 916 00:47:59,915 --> 00:48:00,715 Boo! 917 00:48:00,715 --> 00:48:01,790 >> Decency! 918 00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:03,020 Decency! 919 00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:04,000 Decency! 920 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,338 Decency! 921 00:48:05,338 --> 00:48:06,230 Decency! 922 00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:12,380 >> I think it is a in certainly Western society to try 923 00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:17,183 and solve problems by regulation rather than by culture. 924 00:48:17,183 --> 00:48:20,810 [CHANTING] 925 00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:23,540 >> The questions that are around free speech in universities 926 00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:26,822 and offense and all these questions. 927 00:48:26,822 --> 00:48:29,600 [CHANTING] 928 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,030 >> The trouble is that when you start legislating about it 929 00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:35,900 and try to control it, you produce higher levels, 930 00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:40,070 not lower levels of anxiety, deeper division. 931 00:48:40,070 --> 00:48:42,600 And you park the fundamental question, 932 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,320 which is how do you evolve a culture in which people 933 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,170 speak with one another patiently and respectfully? 934 00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:50,570 You can't legislate that into existence. 935 00:48:50,570 --> 00:48:54,090 >> The monologue of the claimers who say, 936 00:48:54,090 --> 00:48:58,850 world is like this and only like this, this reductionism, 937 00:48:58,850 --> 00:49:02,090 that is a real danger for our world. 938 00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:06,080 And we have to cultivate the dialogue again and dialogue 939 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,990 with different people, different cultures, and not just 940 00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:12,200 claiming I'm the knowledge I have-- 941 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,570 I know everything. 942 00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:19,130 >> But in the world of the arts, students rely more on the right 943 00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:22,680 hemisphere to convey multilayered and implicit 944 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,480 meaning. 945 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,410 >> My darling, I know what's keeping you here. 946 00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:31,376 You must get a grip on yourself. 947 00:49:31,376 --> 00:49:33,243 You're a little intoxicated right now. 948 00:49:33,243 --> 00:49:34,410 You need to clear your head. 949 00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:35,520 >> Be my friend. 950 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,710 Let me go. 951 00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:39,970 >> Has it gone that far? 952 00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:41,920 >> It's as if she's calling me to her side. 953 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,720 Don't you see? 954 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,250 This could be the making of me. 955 00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:47,880 >> In the brain, memorized lines are worked on by the left 956 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,680 hemisphere. 957 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,470 >> Sane, magnificent, wonderful man! 958 00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:55,860 >> But how they are expressed, the tone and gestures, 959 00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:58,140 is the preserve of the right hemisphere. 960 00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:00,192 >> I've never been in love. 961 00:50:00,192 --> 00:50:03,650 I've never experienced that young love, blissful, 962 00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:06,170 dreamlike, romantic, all-embracing love, 963 00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:09,720 the only love that can bring about true happiness. 964 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,220 >> What did we talk about yesterday? 965 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:14,040 We talked about the fact that like lots of men, 966 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,160 he wants permission. 967 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,960 >> To leave. 968 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,650 >> To leave. 969 00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:22,500 Iain, can you explain the left and right side of the brain? 970 00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:26,000 >> Um, there are versions of the world in which we are all 971 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,528 living. 972 00:50:27,528 --> 00:50:29,570 We're not aware of it because we're bringing them 973 00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:31,190 together all the time. 974 00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:35,300 But in one, the world in which I believe we've got trapped 975 00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,620 is the idea of a world of things which are 976 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:45,000 knowable and precise and clear. 977 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,590 But this isn't at all how the world is. 978 00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:52,220 According to the right hemisphere, everything, 979 00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:55,190 everything is connected to everything else. 980 00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:57,590 It's all about the relationships. 981 00:50:57,590 --> 00:50:59,035 Something completely electrifying 982 00:50:59,035 --> 00:51:00,410 was happening in this room, which 983 00:51:00,410 --> 00:51:02,810 I could feel very strongly, which 984 00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:06,230 emerges from the implicit. 985 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:09,560 But all art is like this, that the power of it 986 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,370 lies in the bits that are not explicit. 987 00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:18,660 >> What I find reassuring is that it's not necessarily 988 00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:19,770 knowable. 989 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:24,066 >> Actually, it's necessarily not knowable. 990 00:51:24,066 --> 00:51:28,230 [CLASSICAL MUSIC] 991 00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:32,850 The reason we have theatre, poetry, we have music, 992 00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:36,060 we have religious ritual, all these things are ways of taking 993 00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:39,945 us beyond the everyday language that we're pinned down by. 994 00:51:39,945 --> 00:51:41,740 And it's breaking out of that. 995 00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:45,062 And only things like really powerfully performed art, 996 00:51:45,062 --> 00:51:46,770 you know, these things can take us there. 997 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:51,760 [CLASSICAL MUSIC] 998 00:51:57,249 --> 00:52:00,441 [KNOCKING] 999 00:52:01,241 --> 00:52:03,550 [LAUGHTER] 1000 00:52:03,550 --> 00:52:06,450 >> Doctor! 1001 00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:07,450 Doctor! 1002 00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:09,950 >> Hello. 1003 00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:14,550 >> Are you the brain specialist? 1004 00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:17,550 >> No, I am not the brain specialist. 1005 00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:19,870 No, no, I am not. 1006 00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:20,670 Yes! 1007 00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:21,584 Yes, I am! 1008 00:52:21,584 --> 00:52:24,330 [LAUGHTER] 1009 00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:26,640 >> My brain hurts. 1010 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,408 [LAUGHTER] 1011 00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:32,580 >> Of course, this museum contains the skeleton 1012 00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:36,120 of a very, very large man, taller even than you, John. 1013 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,195 And-- 1014 00:52:37,195 --> 00:52:37,995 >> How tall was he? 1015 00:52:37,995 --> 00:52:40,620 >> He's thought to have been the tallest man who ever lived. 1016 00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:44,150 But here we've got an interesting specimen. 1017 00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:44,950 >> Ah. 1018 00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:46,770 >> This is Charles Babbage's brain. 1019 00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:48,330 >> No, the computer guy? 1020 00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:51,150 >> The computer guy, the guy who is credited with inventing 1021 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:52,650 the first computing machine. 1022 00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:54,690 It was thought interesting to find out what 1023 00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:56,340 a genius' brain looked like. 1024 00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:57,990 The answer is a little disappointing. 1025 00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:59,700 It's rather like mine and yours. 1026 00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:01,920 >> [LAUGHS] 1027 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,860 >> John, I mean, I never thought in my wildest dreams that 1028 00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:08,400 I'd be sitting in a room in London surrounded by brains 1029 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,550 talking to you. 1030 00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:10,350 Who knew? 1031 00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:12,975 But tell me, how did this come about? 1032 00:53:12,975 --> 00:53:14,520 >> You won't believe it. 1033 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,640 A Monty Python meeting. 1034 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,440 >> Right. 1035 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,460 >> Seriously. 1036 00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:20,640 We had a lunch in an Italian restaurant in Soho. 1037 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,920 And at the end, Terry Gilliam suddenly 1038 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,880 started going on about your book. 1039 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,680 >> Right. 1040 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,480 >> And I think he's such a fool. 1041 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,923 >> [LAUGHS] 1042 00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:36,240 >> Most of my education was all to do with the left hemisphere. 1043 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:37,040 You know? 1044 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,840 >> Yes. 1045 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,510 >> I got into Cambridge on science, then I did law. 1046 00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:42,500 And that's how I was taught to think. 1047 00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:47,260 It's been from this very logical, cold-blooded way 1048 00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:51,850 of thinking into something that is hugely more intuitive. 1049 00:53:51,850 --> 00:53:54,100 And this obviously came because I discovered 1050 00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,950 by accident at Cambridge that I could write 1051 00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:59,180 stuff that made people laugh. 1052 00:53:59,180 --> 00:54:02,400 [LAUGHTER] 1053 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,960 I began to see that the process that I used when I was writing 1054 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,420 stuff like this was quite different from the process 1055 00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:11,840 that I used if I was trying to understand a legal case. 1056 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,330 They seem quite different ways of operating. 1057 00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:17,920 I think sometimes you have something 1058 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,770 that is so completely silly that it's almost meaningless. 1059 00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:23,470 I can think of things in Monty Python jokes 1060 00:54:23,470 --> 00:54:27,602 that you simply are unable to explain. 1061 00:54:27,602 --> 00:54:29,586 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1062 00:54:29,586 --> 00:54:32,066 [LAUGHTER] 1063 00:54:40,498 --> 00:54:41,490 [THUD] 1064 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:50,110 And since then, I've been very much more intuitive and very 1065 00:54:50,110 --> 00:54:54,580 much this sort of logical linguistic in my approach 1066 00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:58,600 to life and much happier as a result. 1067 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,350 Well, this is sort of an "Alas, Poor Yorick" moment. 1068 00:55:02,350 --> 00:55:04,690 This head has clearly seen better days. 1069 00:55:04,690 --> 00:55:09,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1070 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,690 Humor is a wonderful tool for eliminating idiocy. 1071 00:55:13,690 --> 00:55:16,970 >> Yes, I think that's exactly why you restore our sanity. 1072 00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:17,770 >> Well, because-- 1073 00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:19,425 >> You take the mickey of this kind of thinking. 1074 00:55:19,425 --> 00:55:21,550 >> Yes, and it's a sense of proportion, as you say. 1075 00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:25,940 Because a sense of humor is a sense of proportion. 1076 00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:30,950 Well, I've been studying the DNA ideas for some time. 1077 00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:32,800 And I've come to certain conclusions 1078 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,360 based on all the research I've done. 1079 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,300 For example, this gene just here, 1080 00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:41,420 this is the gene that determines whether you prefer raspberries 1081 00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:42,220 or strawberries. 1082 00:55:42,220 --> 00:55:43,330 >> Ah, yes. 1083 00:55:43,330 --> 00:55:43,780 >> You know? 1084 00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:44,580 >> Indeed. 1085 00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:47,650 >> Now this gene here is terribly interesting. 1086 00:55:47,650 --> 00:55:49,330 If you have that gene, then you're 1087 00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:52,130 likely to enjoy Nicolas Cage films. 1088 00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:52,930 >> Huh, right. 1089 00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:54,980 >> So that's another mystery here. 1090 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:56,980 And this one here, which is very strong for you, 1091 00:55:56,980 --> 00:56:02,920 is someone who spent 20 years writing a book. 1092 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,180 >> I wish I didn't have that gene. 1093 00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:05,980 Because-- 1094 00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:07,090 >> Because you could get on with your life. 1095 00:56:07,090 --> 00:56:08,776 >> I could get on with a life, yes. 1096 00:56:08,776 --> 00:56:12,670 [LAUGHING] 1097 00:56:12,670 --> 00:56:14,380 Can we do something about it, please? 1098 00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:15,811 [LAUGHS] 1099 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:27,440 >> If our society is relying too much on the left hemisphere, 1100 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,590 how have past civilizations perceived their world? 1101 00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:35,009 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1102 00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:42,440 >> When we began to look at the main movements in the history 1103 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:47,510 of ideas, a person emerged which was quite extraordinary 1104 00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:50,590 and so much more interesting than I could possibly have 1105 00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:51,460 imagined. 1106 00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:57,990 What I could see was that three times in the West, 1107 00:56:57,990 --> 00:57:02,460 there had been a period of flourishing of a civilization-- 1108 00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:09,250 Athens in the 6th century BC, the beginning of the empire 1109 00:57:09,250 --> 00:57:12,940 in Rome, then once again in the early Renaissance-- 1110 00:57:15,790 --> 00:57:18,550 and that this civilization, in each three cases, 1111 00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:20,815 showed a marvelous balance of right hemisphere 1112 00:57:20,815 --> 00:57:24,090 and left hemisphere modes of thinking. 1113 00:57:24,090 --> 00:57:26,970 But in each case, it ended up with a movement 1114 00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:29,730 further and further towards that of the left hemisphere, 1115 00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:32,010 after which the civilization collapsed. 1116 00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:40,140 >> In ancient Greece and Rome, statues and paintings portrayed 1117 00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:44,930 individuals, people with character. 1118 00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:47,300 But as the Roman Empire declined, 1119 00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:50,930 subjects often faced forward without emotion. 1120 00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:53,540 Individual character gave way to expressions 1121 00:57:53,540 --> 00:57:55,100 of power and status. 1122 00:58:01,463 --> 00:58:03,630 >> So one of the things that distinguishes the right 1123 00:58:03,630 --> 00:58:06,000 hemisphere is the concept of depth. 1124 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,090 It's a very important one, philosophically speaking. 1125 00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:11,610 And one can think in quite concrete terms 1126 00:58:11,610 --> 00:58:18,300 of depth in space, depth in time, and depth of emotion. 1127 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:20,663 Here we've got a crucifixion scene 1128 00:58:20,663 --> 00:58:22,080 in the middle of the 14th century. 1129 00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:27,470 There is no depth to this picture. 1130 00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:30,050 There is no landscape that's situated 1131 00:58:30,050 --> 00:58:35,000 in the natural world and nothing to situate it historically. 1132 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,890 And it's not a criticism of it to say 1133 00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:41,750 that it doesn't have such depth or any relationship 1134 00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:43,810 to the world around. 1135 00:58:43,810 --> 00:58:47,180 >> But during the Renaissance, art changes, 1136 00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:48,875 suggesting a shift in the mind. 1137 00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:55,390 >> When we come forward here to this "Adoration of the Kings" 1138 00:58:55,390 --> 00:59:02,320 in 1500, the building work here obeys the laws of perspective 1139 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,860 and at the same time gives us a sense of temporal perspective, 1140 00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:11,200 that this event is taking place at some point in the past, 1141 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,760 hence the ruin. 1142 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,460 You will only get that perspective 1143 00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:20,920 from the right hemisphere take on the world. 1144 00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:31,860 It's a mistake to think of the arts or the sciences 1145 00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:34,830 as being one hemisphere or the other. 1146 00:59:34,830 --> 00:59:39,240 A Renaissance man was somebody who was learned and experienced 1147 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,870 in many aspects of knowledge. 1148 00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:47,940 What you see is this broad perspective on life in which 1149 00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:49,840 science and art came together. 1150 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,984 They weren't separate, as they so often are today. 1151 00:59:53,984 --> 00:59:57,880 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1152 01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:08,940 >> If you go from hemisphere to cultural history, 1153 01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:11,770 it will feel incongruous and like a non sequitur. 1154 01:00:11,770 --> 01:00:13,590 It won't feel like it makes sense. 1155 01:00:13,590 --> 01:00:15,990 But remember, hemisphere is really 1156 01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:19,880 shorthand for a way of seeing the world. 1157 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,210 And what he's arguing is that of these two broad patterns 1158 01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:26,090 of perception, two broad ways of viewing the world, 1159 01:00:26,090 --> 01:00:30,080 historically, you see them in a kind of battle for supremacy. 1160 01:00:35,290 --> 01:00:40,090 >> One of the most daring maneuvers of the left 1161 01:00:40,090 --> 01:00:42,550 hemisphere is the Industrial Revolution. 1162 01:00:42,550 --> 01:00:46,660 We began a full-scale onslaught on the natural world, 1163 01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:50,440 that we were the masters and we could control and exploit 1164 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,940 mere material, as we saw the natural world as something 1165 01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:56,980 there for us to utilize. 1166 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,720 We saw machines. 1167 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,700 We saw a landscape that was increasingly 1168 01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:09,190 molded by our efforts to slice through it with railway lines, 1169 01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:15,100 to carve tunnels, to put our stamp on nature. 1170 01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:19,270 >> The Industrial Revolution also changed how artists saw 1171 01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:20,260 the world. 1172 01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:23,500 In the early 20th century, modern art frequently 1173 01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:28,090 portrayed the world in terms of fragments, cubes, and geometric 1174 01:01:28,090 --> 01:01:29,900 shapes. 1175 01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:33,260 >> Artists always think that they can escape painting 1176 01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:34,970 in the spirit of the age. 1177 01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:38,270 But their very rebellion betrays the culture out 1178 01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:40,350 of which they came. 1179 01:01:40,350 --> 01:01:43,250 Art doesn't come out of thin air. 1180 01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:47,105 It comes out of a culture. 1181 01:01:47,105 --> 01:01:49,230 I think there's something different about the world 1182 01:01:49,230 --> 01:01:53,730 that we have entered in the last 100 years. 1183 01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:57,330 What we find is that various kinds 1184 01:01:57,330 --> 01:02:02,340 of ways of looking at the world that occur to people who 1185 01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:04,680 have damage in the right hemisphere 1186 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,110 start to become fashionable. 1187 01:02:07,110 --> 01:02:09,065 This is absolutely fascinating. 1188 01:02:14,190 --> 01:02:17,610 As we come forward into the 20th century, 1189 01:02:17,610 --> 01:02:21,360 it reflected outwards onto the world aspects 1190 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,820 of the left hemisphere with cities 1191 01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:29,370 that were laid out on grids which were full of structures 1192 01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:35,970 that were rectilinear, the left hemisphere way of thinking, 1193 01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:38,520 of being able to use things. 1194 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,957 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1195 01:02:52,324 --> 01:02:56,410 >> McGilchrist's theory of the brain and Western civilization 1196 01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:59,770 attracts attention from all over the world. 1197 01:02:59,770 --> 01:03:03,640 Some leading scientists welcome his controversial theory. 1198 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,660 >> So the distinctions that Iain is playing with between these 1199 01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:11,680 two modes of knowing, modes of experiencing that he associates 1200 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,440 with the two hemispheres, that distinction makes a lot 1201 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,410 of sense to me. 1202 01:03:15,410 --> 01:03:19,240 And I think it's extremely important in the modern world. 1203 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,020 >> There aren't that many academics who can span, 1204 01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:29,020 who have that broad span that can go from very authoritative 1205 01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:33,520 analysis of scientific data through to the big picture 1206 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,920 and even on into spirituality. 1207 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,440 >> But among others in the scientific community, 1208 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,530 there is serious resistance to the link between the brain 1209 01:03:41,530 --> 01:03:42,670 and society. 1210 01:03:42,670 --> 01:03:46,510 >> You talk about this division as if it has a purpose. 1211 01:03:46,510 --> 01:03:48,520 But that's not how things work. 1212 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,410 It exists as a consequence. 1213 01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:52,790 >> It's just your theory that there isn't a purpose. 1214 01:03:52,790 --> 01:03:54,415 You don't know that there's no purpose. 1215 01:03:54,415 --> 01:03:58,960 It's an assumption of science that there is no purpose. 1216 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,860 >> This book is taking a selected set of neuroscience 1217 01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:07,690 findings and trying to relate them to the clinical 1218 01:04:07,690 --> 01:04:12,920 psychiatric experience, telling a story that tries to mesh 1219 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,830 those two things. 1220 01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:17,770 I'm not comfortable with that just because I'm 1221 01:04:17,770 --> 01:04:20,440 one of the guys committed to actually finding out what 1222 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,280 these patients are, how they behave. 1223 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,210 And I don't have the freedom to just go off 1224 01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:31,970 on a larger metaphor. 1225 01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:34,600 I think here's how you think about it. 1226 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,990 The brain is as mechanical as clockwork, 1227 01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:39,240 a famous English physicist said that. 1228 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,890 Let's just get over that. 1229 01:04:40,890 --> 01:04:42,850 That's the way it is. 1230 01:04:42,850 --> 01:04:47,100 >> So we life scientists, we read the papers, 1231 01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:50,760 come up with a working hypothesis that is one step 1232 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,330 ahead of what we know, but not two steps. 1233 01:04:54,330 --> 01:04:56,860 Two steps are punished. 1234 01:04:56,860 --> 01:05:00,880 So I think there are two options. 1235 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,080 One option is in 30 years, it could 1236 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,910 be the Bible of neuroscientists or it could be forgotten. 1237 01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:10,410 I think there is nothing in between. 1238 01:05:16,790 --> 01:05:19,130 >> Stepping away from this debate, 1239 01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:24,022 McGilchrist seeks a different kind of evidence. 1240 01:05:24,022 --> 01:05:28,414 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1241 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,670 Scientists have argued that the human brain has 1242 01:05:38,670 --> 01:05:41,400 been the same machine throughout history 1243 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,620 and that every major civilization was 1244 01:05:43,620 --> 01:05:46,590 built by people with the same kind of brain 1245 01:05:46,590 --> 01:05:49,530 and the same perception of reality. 1246 01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:52,620 But McGilchrist believes that the brain shapes 1247 01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:56,130 and is shaped by human culture. 1248 01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:58,245 And how do other cultures view the world? 1249 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:04,560 It is a question that is studied at Harvard University. 1250 01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:11,620 >> A lot of psychologists have the strong intuition that what 1251 01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:12,883 they study is something deep. 1252 01:06:12,883 --> 01:06:14,300 It's something about human nature. 1253 01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:16,960 It's something fundamental to how human brains operate. 1254 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,610 When neuroscientists measure the brain, 1255 01:06:18,610 --> 01:06:21,130 they think they're seeing a piece that's 1256 01:06:21,130 --> 01:06:23,380 constructed by human genes that's human nature. 1257 01:06:23,380 --> 01:06:24,880 But actually, our brains are heavily 1258 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,230 influenced by the environments. 1259 01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:28,630 And our environments are heavily culturally constructed, 1260 01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:31,240 our social relationships, the physical environments 1261 01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:32,980 we operate in. 1262 01:06:32,980 --> 01:06:37,450 96% of psychological studies are done with Westerners. 1263 01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:39,977 And most of those are actually American undergraduates, 1264 01:06:39,977 --> 01:06:41,560 just because of the bulk of psychology 1265 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,610 being done in the US. 1266 01:06:43,610 --> 01:06:48,650 So this really gives us a biased picture of human psychology. 1267 01:06:48,650 --> 01:06:51,440 And we don't know to what degree those things extend 1268 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,390 to other members of the species. 1269 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,940 >> Henrich and his colleagues decided to take 1270 01:06:58,940 --> 01:07:03,510 their psychology tests to the rest of the world, 1271 01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:06,920 people in Tahiti and the Amazon. 1272 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,120 One of the tests features an optical illusion. 1273 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,600 Which line is longer? 1274 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,690 They are both the same. 1275 01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:20,090 >> Westerners have the biggest illusion. 1276 01:07:20,090 --> 01:07:22,730 And hunter gatherers don't actually see the illusion. 1277 01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:26,810 So they accurately see the two lines. 1278 01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:28,560 We live in a world of right angles, 1279 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,070 so our brains get really good at converting 1280 01:07:31,070 --> 01:07:33,380 that presence of right angles in our environment 1281 01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:35,510 and using that to create a spatial understanding 1282 01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:37,670 in our brains. 1283 01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:39,860 But in the world of hunter gatherers, 1284 01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:42,150 there might not be any right angles. 1285 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:44,782 So their brains are calibrated more accurately. 1286 01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:50,280 So it's a basic difference across human societies 1287 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,730 as our minds adapt to the culturally constructed world 1288 01:07:53,730 --> 01:07:54,530 that we live in. 1289 01:07:57,050 --> 01:07:59,600 >> [SPEAKING CHINESE] 1290 01:08:02,060 --> 01:08:04,400 >> At Queen's University in Canada, 1291 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,330 research is being done on how Asian and Western minds 1292 01:08:08,330 --> 01:08:10,230 perceive the world differently. 1293 01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:11,490 >> I grew up in China. 1294 01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:14,930 I spent first 20 some years there. 1295 01:08:14,930 --> 01:08:17,270 It was not hard for me to get interested in culture 1296 01:08:17,270 --> 01:08:19,760 because my own background. 1297 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,250 People think differently, depending 1298 01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:24,080 on their cultural background. 1299 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,630 Compared to North Americans, East Asians 1300 01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:29,540 are more sensitive to the context. 1301 01:08:29,540 --> 01:08:31,520 They attend more to the context. 1302 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,740 When we show people the pictures of panda, monkey, banana, 1303 01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:40,130 Chinese actually are more likely to put monkey and the banana 1304 01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:43,640 together because monkeys like banana. 1305 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,069 So they focus on that relationship. 1306 01:08:46,069 --> 01:08:47,450 [SPEAKING CHINESE] 1307 01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:52,160 Next, [INAUDIBLE] is more linear? 1308 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,399 >> I would say it's the dragonfly and the bee. 1309 01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:57,990 >> Why? 1310 01:08:57,990 --> 01:09:00,205 >> Because they're both flying insects. 1311 01:09:00,205 --> 01:09:01,005 >> OK. 1312 01:09:03,979 --> 01:09:06,410 In traditional Chinese and Japanese paintings, 1313 01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:10,680 you do see less focus on the individual person. 1314 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,859 You barely see the face. 1315 01:09:13,859 --> 01:09:15,899 You see the overall scenes. 1316 01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:16,890 You see mountains. 1317 01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:19,590 You see trees, flowers. 1318 01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:22,802 The person actually is minimized. 1319 01:09:22,802 --> 01:09:25,260 >> People get very uncomfortable with the idea that culture 1320 01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:26,850 produces biological differences. 1321 01:09:26,850 --> 01:09:28,225 Because normally in our minds, we 1322 01:09:28,225 --> 01:09:30,270 separate biology and culture. 1323 01:09:30,270 --> 01:09:32,340 So it certainly gives you an appreciation 1324 01:09:32,340 --> 01:09:33,810 the degree to which things you take 1325 01:09:33,810 --> 01:09:36,510 to be just how the world works or how people are 1326 01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:37,390 is not the case. 1327 01:09:37,390 --> 01:09:40,170 It's a peculiarity of this certain cultural trajectory 1328 01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:43,680 that you happened to be born into. 1329 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,189 >> Some cultures with a more balanced way of seeing reality 1330 01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:49,000 may live within Western society. 1331 01:09:52,750 --> 01:09:55,990 >> We know this as [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH].. 1332 01:09:58,510 --> 01:10:01,510 Probably the best translation would be 1333 01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:06,160 "an inlet into the mountains." 1334 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,420 The way we look at the world inside the Blackfoot mind, 1335 01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:14,950 what you would see is a panoramic view. 1336 01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:15,950 >> Yeah. 1337 01:10:15,950 --> 01:10:21,610 >> How do we fit in into this whole picture? 1338 01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:24,430 And kind of drawing on some of the work 1339 01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:27,730 you've done, hey, that's very-- 1340 01:10:27,730 --> 01:10:32,170 that's very right sided, right brain thinking, 1341 01:10:32,170 --> 01:10:35,870 looking at this big picture how we fit in. 1342 01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:36,670 >> Yes. 1343 01:10:36,670 --> 01:10:41,860 >> But at the same time, nothing is ever at a standstill. 1344 01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:47,200 That's what we refer to as that flux. 1345 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,550 >> Everything is related-- 1346 01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:51,610 physicists say this-- to everything else. 1347 01:10:51,610 --> 01:10:55,960 And is that also in the wisdom and the culture 1348 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,650 of First Nation people? 1349 01:10:57,650 --> 01:11:02,650 >> If you hear Native prayers, they will talk about "all 1350 01:11:02,650 --> 01:11:04,780 my relations." 1351 01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:08,080 So when they're talking about all my relations, 1352 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,750 they're not talking about human relations, 1353 01:11:10,750 --> 01:11:12,790 they're talking about these trees. 1354 01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:14,470 They're talking about the water. 1355 01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:15,270 >> Yes. 1356 01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:18,580 >> They're talking about the rocks, those birds out there. 1357 01:11:18,580 --> 01:11:21,610 All those animals, they're all my relations. 1358 01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:22,460 >> Yes, yes. 1359 01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:22,990 >> See? 1360 01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:23,790 >> Yes. 1361 01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:29,770 >> And that's where we fit ourselves into that relational 1362 01:11:29,770 --> 01:11:31,750 network. 1363 01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:34,390 >> Does that suggest, as it does to me, 1364 01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:39,730 that rocks and lakes and streams and waterfalls have a life. 1365 01:11:39,730 --> 01:11:42,550 They're not just sort of things. 1366 01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:44,290 >> They're all animate. 1367 01:11:44,290 --> 01:11:45,790 >> Yes. 1368 01:11:45,790 --> 01:11:50,200 >> In our way of thinking, in fact, in Blackfoot, 1369 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,040 there is no word for inanimate. 1370 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:59,260 So that's the reason why our elders always come out and say, 1371 01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:00,770 this is my church. 1372 01:12:00,770 --> 01:12:01,570 >> Yes. 1373 01:12:01,570 --> 01:12:02,680 Yeah. 1374 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,670 >> I am the environment. 1375 01:12:04,670 --> 01:12:05,470 >> Yes. 1376 01:12:05,470 --> 01:12:06,520 >> I am the environment. 1377 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:07,480 >> This is me. 1378 01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:08,280 >> Yeah. 1379 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,760 This is me. 1380 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,000 >> That's actually wonderful. 1381 01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:19,760 >> If there are these competing forms of perception and there 1382 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:25,250 are mechanisms culturally that make them compete and play out 1383 01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:29,780 and make one usurp the other, and I think he argued that 1384 01:12:29,780 --> 01:12:32,585 pretty coherently, then we should act on it. 1385 01:12:32,585 --> 01:12:34,710 You know, we should figure out what to do about it. 1386 01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:38,660 >> The question is whether we as persons have agency and are 1387 01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:41,790 capable to do something and whether we can translate that 1388 01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:42,590 into society. 1389 01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:50,210 >> Here's the area where you had the bleeding in the brain. 1390 01:12:50,210 --> 01:12:51,790 There's no more blood there. 1391 01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:54,410 And we'll check the aneurysm to make sure nothing's coming 1392 01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:55,210 back. 1393 01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:56,105 >> OK. 1394 01:13:01,930 --> 01:13:03,370 There's been a big change. 1395 01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:13,300 I believe that you have to want to get better. 1396 01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:16,750 It's very important that in your mind 1397 01:13:16,750 --> 01:13:19,960 you have to say I'm gonna get back there 1398 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,120 to where I was before. 1399 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,340 I want to do everything I was doing before 1400 01:13:24,340 --> 01:13:27,715 and I'm going to do it no matter what I need to do. 1401 01:13:31,450 --> 01:13:35,200 >> This is my neuroplastic attitude. 1402 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,180 We are not just the victims of our flattened world 1403 01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:43,670 and the dogmas that some people put upon us. 1404 01:13:43,670 --> 01:13:45,650 But we can do something else. 1405 01:13:45,650 --> 01:13:49,000 And our patients are the best teachers in this respect. 1406 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,910 That in spite of deficits, we can change something. 1407 01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:55,540 And this is what we want to do. 1408 01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:58,960 >> Like you, I appreciate that humanity is enormously 1409 01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:59,830 resourceful. 1410 01:13:59,830 --> 01:14:01,600 And there must have been times in history 1411 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,480 when we could not have foreseen what was coming in terms 1412 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,100 of a shift in the ideas. 1413 01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:08,590 And we need that shift now. 1414 01:14:08,590 --> 01:14:12,100 >> Maybe it's asking too much of Iain's work to say just solve 1415 01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:14,500 the problem for us, you know? 1416 01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:18,250 What he can do is point towards the direction of the solution. 1417 01:14:18,250 --> 01:14:20,260 If we can get better at seeing things 1418 01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:24,100 more holistically, more specifically, more in context, 1419 01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:27,190 if we can get better at systematically resisting 1420 01:14:27,190 --> 01:14:29,110 attempts to turn things into algorithm, 1421 01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:32,020 to always measure, to always quantify, 1422 01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:34,780 if we can get better and more robust at doing that, 1423 01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:38,690 the world will begin to steer towards a better place. 1424 01:14:38,690 --> 01:14:45,990 >> We need to take advantage of other systems of knowledge. 1425 01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:50,820 We need to have a balance. 1426 01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:53,910 If we do that, we will have-- 1427 01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:59,517 we will be around as a species for a long time. 1428 01:14:59,517 --> 01:15:00,600 >> Well, then let us hope. 1429 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:01,788 Let us hope. 1430 01:15:01,788 --> 01:15:06,270 [MUSIC PLAYING] 1431 01:15:14,736 --> 01:15:18,030 >> I want my ideas to be picked up by other people 1432 01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:22,320 and internalized so that they use them as a driver to look 1433 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,830 at the world in a different way. 1434 01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:28,020 Things that were anciently known, 1435 01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:31,560 they were embodied in myths, in drama, 1436 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:35,040 in poetry, the way of thinking that 1437 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,230 was kept for the kind of knowledge 1438 01:15:37,230 --> 01:15:44,340 that logic can't reach, our way of thinking, feeling and being. 1439 01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:48,690 Einstein said the rational mind is a faithful servant, 1440 01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:52,830 but the intuitive mind is a precious gift. 1441 01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:55,860 And we live in a world which honors the servant 1442 01:15:55,860 --> 01:15:57,190 but has forgotten the gift. 1443 01:16:00,820 --> 01:16:02,470 We do need a paradigm shift. 1444 01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:04,840 Because it's not about little things here and there. 1445 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,860 It's about the whole way we conceive what a human being is, 1446 01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:12,880 what the world is, and what our relationship with it is. 1447 01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:23,720 Love is a pure attention to the existence of the other. 1448 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,420 It's such a simple thing, but it's so deep. 1449 01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:31,310 And I found it applies to many, many things in life. 1450 01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:33,500 Really what we're on this planet to do 1451 01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:37,580 is to give attention to that other. 1452 01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,430 It can be other people, but it can also 1453 01:16:42,430 --> 01:16:47,260 be what until very recently was the other that we were all 1454 01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:49,120 surrounded by all the time, which 1455 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,890 was the natural world, which is our home, which 1456 01:16:53,890 --> 01:16:59,560 is this completely amazing, beautiful, staggeringly 1457 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,260 expressive gift. 1458 01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:06,210 [MUSIC PLAYING] 107266

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