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>> How do we
experience the world?
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How do we make sense of it,
measure it, construct it,
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and understand our
position in it?
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A controversial scientist,
Iain McGilchrist,
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has developed a radical
theory about how
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our brain interprets the world.
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>> Iain McGilchrist, he's a
psychiatrist and author of "The
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Master and His Emissary--
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The Divided Brain and the
Making of the Western World,"
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about the various implications
of the differences
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between the two
hemispheres in the brain.
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Let's start there.
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Like what?
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>> Two hemispheres have styles--
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takes, if you
like-- on the world.
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They see things differently.
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They prioritize
different things.
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There are different values.
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The left hemisphere's goal is to
enable us to manipulate things.
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Whereas, the goal of
the right hemisphere
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is to relate to things and
understand them as a whole.
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Two ways of thinking
that are both needed,
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but are fundamentally at
the same time incompatible.
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>> McGilchrist claims that the
left hemisphere of the brain is
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gradually colonizing our
experience of the world with
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potentially disastrous
implications.
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>> The way of thinking
which is reductive,
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mechanistic has taken us over.
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We behave like people who
had right hemisphere damage.
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>> Do we pay a price for being
too left hemisphere-centered?
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>> We may pay the
ultimate price,
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who treats the world as a
simple resource to be exploited.
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It's made us
enormously powerful.
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It's enabled us
to become wealthy.
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But it's also meant
that we've lost means
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to understand the world.
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>> His revolutionary theory has
attracted prominent supporters
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worldwide, comparing
him to Freud and Darwin.
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>> I think "The Master and
His Emissary" was possibly,
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one of the most
important books I read.
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>> The idea that there is a
distinction between those two
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perspectives seems,
to me, correct.
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And I see it all the
time in my own field
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of clinical psychology.
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>> I kind of had one
revelation after another.
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I mean, it just explains an
incredible number of things
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that I've always been
slightly positive about.
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>> But scientists
think he's a heretic.
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>> It's a fantastic book.
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It's a fantastic book
that I don't believe in.
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>> The brain is as
mechanical as clockwork.
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A famous English
physicist said that.
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Let's just get over that.
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>> Now McGilchrist
is on the road.
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Invited to speak about his
view of the brain and society.
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Could the problems
of the modern world
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be influenced by an
imbalance in the human brain?
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And what does that
imply about our future?
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For Iain McGilchrist,
the problem
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is not only bad politics or
a warped economic system.
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The problem is inside
our modern brain.
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>> The landscape speaks
very strongly to people.
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Some people find it a
little bit overwhelming.
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I suspect it's what
the people call
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one of their Celtic
thin places, where
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the world beyond the
immediate seems very apparent.
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There is something very
special about the whole place.
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There's a strong energy there
from the wildness of nature.
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You feel it.
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>> It was here that McGilchrist
developed his groundbreaking
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theory.
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>> My dad was a doctor and tried
to avoid becoming a doctor.
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His first degree
was in economics.
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And I rather repeated
the pattern in this.
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I didn't even begin to
be trained in medicine
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until was 28.
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>> McGilchrist took an indirect
path to reach medicine.
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As a young man, he
taught literature
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at Oxford University.
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>> After I got my degree, I
got a fellowship at All Souls
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College, which enabled me
to do, really, more or less,
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anything I liked
intellectually for seven years.
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And into that time, I
then ended up really
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thinking more about
the mind-body problem.
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When we read a poem or we
listen to a piece of music,
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it can bring tears to your eyes.
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It can quicken your pulse.
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It can raise your
blood pressure.
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In other words, it has enormous
effects on you physiologically.
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I felt that we were
doing something
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destructive to literature.
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People in the past
had taken trouble
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to create something that was
unique, embodied, and implicit.
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And we came along
and made it general
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and abstract and explicit.
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And making a poem explicit is
a bit like explaining a joke.
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It just makes it fall flat.
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A work of art is
an embodied being
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that has an encounter with
you as an embodied being.
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It's not a bunch of
thought that just has
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an encounter with your brain.
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The base of the problem was
the mind-body relationship.
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That we were looking
at literature in much
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too disembodied a way.
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I thought no.
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I need somehow to
tackle this problem.
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That was what impelled
me to do medicine.
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>> McGilchrist spent the next
14 years training in neurology
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and psychiatry.
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It was a journey that took
him to the renowned Maudsley
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Hospital in London.
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>> So this was built just around
the time of the First World
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War.
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This was one of the many places
to which I owe a huge debt.
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Because I was seeing an
extremely broad cross-section
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of patients.
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Conditions such
as schizophrenia,
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severe personality
disorders, and head injuries.
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This is an amazing
painting by William Kurelek
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called "The Maze."
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What's interesting is
the very human anguish
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of this person with his illness.
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What one is seeing is a change
in the whole way in which one
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experiences the world due to
something out of the ordinary
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in brain functioning.
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Here at the Maudsley
Hospital, I had access
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to patients for whom the world
has become utterly changed.
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Particularly
interesting to me were
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people with either
tumors or strokes.
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Because there, you can
localize where the damage is.
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You can see it in a scan.
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And you can then see what
happens to that patient.
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Good science starts from a
really intriguing question.
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Why is the brain divided?
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You know, I never heard that
asked in any of my training.
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It's really what I've been
thinking about all my life.
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About these two
different ways in which
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we seem to inhabit the world.
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And that was the beginning of a
20-year long process in which I
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tried to apply myself
to the question of what
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the differences between these
two hemispheres really were.
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>> Everything we
human beings ever do,
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no matter how ordinary it
seems, has a complex beginning
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in our brains.
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Finding out how the
brain does this work
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is a study that has fascinated
scientists for centuries.
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>> The brain is, of course, an
enormously complex structure.
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In fact, it's kind of
redundantly complex.
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We have two cerebral
hemispheres.
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But it becomes a
fascinating question
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to know whether the two
cerebral hemispheres can
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operate separately.
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>> In the '60s and '70s
in California at Caltech,
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there was some incredibly
important and fascinating work.
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And what they were
trying to do was
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to improve the quality
of life for people
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with intractable epilepsy.
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Now these people might
have almost continuous
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epileptic seizures.
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Which meant that
they couldn't really
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carry on any kind
of normal life.
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>> The original idea was based
on the notion that if you
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isolated a seizure to one
half the brain so it could not
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spread to the other half
brain, when a seizure occurred,
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you would prevent a
generalized convulsion.
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It wouldn't spread
throughout the brain.
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The patient wouldn't lose
generalized consciousness
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and you would have helped.
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>> Today Michael Gazzaniga is
a world-renowned neuroscientist
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and vineyard owner.
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In the 1960s, he was a
grad student participating
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in radical brain experiments.
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>> By sectioning this structure,
as can be seen in this half
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brain section, called the corpus
callosum and it has over 2
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million nerve fibers.
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And they richly interconnect
the two halves of the brain.
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What they did was, with
some trepidation initially,
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to divide this corpus
callosum, the main pathway
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by which the two
hemispheres communicate.
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And what they found after the
operation was that the seizures
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largely stopped.
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The other thing was it
was possible by setting
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it up carefully
controlled experiments
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to find out what the
reactions of the left
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and the right hemisphere
were independently.
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>> Each side of the brain
controls the opposite side
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of the body.
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So the left hemisphere
controls the right side
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of the body and the right
hemisphere communicates
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with the left.
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>> The patient
looks at a screen.
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Just imagine fixating on a dot.
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And over here, we flash
a picture of an apple.
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So if it's in the
right visual field.
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That goes to your left brain.
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Left brain's got
language and speech.
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Patient said that's an apple.
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This time, you put the apple
over in the left visual field.
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That now goes to the
right disconnected brain.
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And you say to the
patient, what did you see?
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And the patient says,
I didn't see anything.
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>> Something on the left.
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I know what it is.
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I can't say it.
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I want to, but I can't.
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I know what it is.
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>> What's it have to do with?
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>> I can't tell
you that, either.
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>> They found that the left arm
and the right arm seem to be
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contradicting one another.
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So if somebody would select
a dress with her right arm,
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then the left arm would take it
back, and put it on the shelf,
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and take out another one.
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>> Frustrated.
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>> The experiments proved
that we have two brains
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in our heads.
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Not just one.
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But they do not see
the world the same way.
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>> When I started
to do psychiatry,
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nothing much was said about
what the mass of the right
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hemisphere did.
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My training was that
the left hemisphere
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was very important for
understanding and language
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and for speaking language.
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But that really, what went
on in the right hemisphere
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was not that significant.
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Michael Gazzaniga had said
that the right hemisphere
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of the human brain had
about as much intelligence
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as a chimpanzee.
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And so that wasn't encouraging.
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>> Well, I used
to give a lecture.
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The left hemisphere, don't
leave home without it.
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And that summarized
the importance
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I saw to the special
modules, we call now systems,
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in the left hemisphere.
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That's where the heavy
duty lifting comes
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for our complex cognitive life.
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>> But in this experiment
with a split brain patient,
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while the right hemisphere
is trying to make the cube,
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the left hemisphere's
hand keeps interfering.
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Because it doesn't
know what it's doing.
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Yet, the right
hemisphere on its own
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solves the problem in seconds.
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>> All of those who were
involved in the team came
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to the conclusion that each
hemisphere had, if you like,
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like a different way of
looking at the world.
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>> You separate the
two hemispheres,
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you've got mine left,
you got mine right.
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It's what grabbed
everybody's interest.
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Everybody can understand that.
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And so the left talks
and is analytical
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and the right is creative
and pulls stuff together.
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And boom.
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It was an industry.
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>> Thanks to pop psychology,
the right and left hemispheres
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became cartoon characters.
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It was no longer
considered serious science.
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>> The left does language and
reason and the right does airy,
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fairy pictures of image.
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And that turned out
not to be right.
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Because what people
found was that over time,
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it was obvious that
each hemisphere
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engages in everything.
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So each hemisphere--
right and left--
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is involved in reason and
in language and in emotion.
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But in crucially different ways.
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>> Although the pop culture
understanding of the left
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and right hemisphere
was eventually rejected,
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a central question
still remained.
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>> Why does the brain have
two centers of consciousness,
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each capable of maintaining
consciousness on its own
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involved in everything,
but in a different way?
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But it was only when I came to
look at the animal literature
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that just, the penny dropped.
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Professor Gunturkun.
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>> Hey, Iain.
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>> How nice of you to see me.
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>> Absolutely.
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Fantastic.
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How are you, Iain?
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>> Lovely to meet you.
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>> Absolutely.
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Same with me.
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>> I apologize for delays.
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>> No problem at all.
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This university is a maze.
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>> Just completely lost.
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>> It's an absolute maze.
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>> Dr. Onur Gunturkun is a
leading researcher in the field
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of animal neurology.
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He focuses on how birds use
each half of their brain.
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>> These are the animals
with the eye rings.
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>> Using the Velcro, you
can cover one eye at a time.
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>> Exactly.
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Exactly.
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So there is a little
cap that we have.
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And then the animal just sees
with its left or right eye.
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Because, as you know, the
optic nerves cross completely.
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>> Yes.
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>> So everything the right
eye sees goes to the left
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hemisphere and vise versa.
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>> Gunturkun devised a test
where pigeons were trained
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to recognize human beings
in vacation photos.
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Each time the birds
recognized there
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was a person in a picture,
they were rewarded.
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>> After a while, they start to
understand there are pictures
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with humans and there are
pictures without humans.
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>> But then the birds were
given a harder challenge.
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>> Now we can start
to alter the pictures.
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We cut out the head, we cut out
the arm, we cut out the trunk,
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and spread it
across the picture.
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It is like a slaughtering scene.
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We take the pictures
and chop them
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in smaller and smaller
and smaller pieces.
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The left hemisphere says, OK.
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I see a head.
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I see eyes.
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I see a nose.
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That's a human.
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I'm packing on it.
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The right hemisphere now says,
this is no human anymore.
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The right hemisphere
requires the correct position
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of the human body to
recognize the human.
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So that means both hemispheres
are doing an excellent job.
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Both hemispheres contribute.
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And both hemispheres can
decide human or non-human,
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but they do it with different
cognitive strategies.
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When pigeons are
up to find food,
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they have to discriminate
grain from pebbles.
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So that one hemisphere
is really concentrating
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on the tiny little
details of the food,
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while the other one is
glancing into the environment.
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And is on quick alert if an
aerial predator is coming.
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>> This is fundamental
to survival.
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And that was the moment
at which I realized
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this is profoundly
important to all beings that
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have to solve the conundrum
of how to eat and stay alive.
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>> McGilchrist realized
that in human beings,
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these two different kinds of
attention played out in much
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more complex ways.
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>> You won't find a neurologist
anywhere in the world who will
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dispute that there is different
kinds of attention paid
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by the left and
right hemisphere.
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Then, very clearly,
each hemisphere
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must find a different world.
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What would those two
worlds look like?
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>> McGilchrist observed that the
left hemisphere gives a narrow,
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sharply-focused
attention to detail.
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Without understanding
the larger context.
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It sees objects in relation
to their usefulness.
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It's in charge of
the right hand, which
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has the power to
manipulate things
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such as tools and technology.
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But it can't make
human connections.
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It doesn't understand
relationships, humor,
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tone of voice.
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Things and people are not
unique and individual.
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But groups that it
can organize, sort,
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and file in a system of
rules and linear connections.
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On its own, it has no
sense of the whole.
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Even people are
seen as body parts.
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The world of the left
hemisphere is lifeless.
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It shatters the world
into an assortment of bits
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without meaning.
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The right hemisphere,
by contrast,
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sees the broad
view of the world.
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It is the master of the brain.
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It perceives an
interconnected world.
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It understands
relationships, body language,
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facial expression,
and implicit meaning.
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The right hemisphere
engages with life,
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understands movement,
story, and metaphor.
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It forces how humanity fits
into the whole of creation.
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The divided brain
gives us two types
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of attention, two ways of
engaging with the world.
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It has made us the most
powerful species on Earth.
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But the left hemisphere's
narrow kind of attention
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reminded McGilchrist of
something else, our world.
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[TRAIN TRACKS]
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>> I began thinking
about how in public life,
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everything has become more
regulated, more rule-bound,
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more explicit.
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For the last 100 years, a way
of thinking which is reductive,
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mechanistic has taken us over.
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It's enabled us to manipulate
the world, to grab resources,
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to become wealthy.
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But it's also meant that
we've lost the means
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to feel satisfaction
and fulfillment
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through our place in the world.
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And we created
outside ourselves,
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a world which, very much,
looked like the interior world
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of the left hemisphere.
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Rigid lines of things
that were rolled out
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mechanically and
were non-unique.
403
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Bureaucracy is in its element.
404
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It depends on qualities which
the left hemisphere provide--
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organized ability, anonymity,
standardization, uniformity,
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abstraction, and so on.
407
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Systems designed to
maximize utility,
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there will be a loss
of cohesion socially
409
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because the left
hemisphere needs control.
410
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And there's a lack of
trust and a lot of paranoia
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that we need for CCTV and
monitoring of all kinds.
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[TYPING]
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The left hemisphere is
the quick and dirty one.
414
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Because it has to make action.
415
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It likes things to
be black and white.
416
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What do you mean there's half
or ambiguity or metaphor?
417
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I want to know the facts.
418
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It's like this or it's that.
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People think, well, the
left hemisphere is surely,
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the basis for our intelligence.
421
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It's the one that does
all that analysis.
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00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:12,520
But actually, this
is not the case.
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There's a lot of evidence
that the really critical one
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from a point of
view of intelligence
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is the right hemisphere.
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Another important difference--
a very important one--
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is that between fixity
and flow, so things
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in the left
hemisphere are fixed.
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Whereas in the right
hemisphere, flow
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is what it sees and understands.
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Now, that is very profound.
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That actually changes the
whole nature of what life is.
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Nothing is just isolated.
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It is always part of a flow.
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Things can only be
understood in context.
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When you take them
out, they change.
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When you grab them and put them
in the spotlight of attention
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and make them explicit,
they change their nature.
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00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:53,800
Jokes, for example.
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Sex, for example.
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Religion, for example.
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[APPLAUSE]
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00:24:00,912 --> 00:24:02,120
>> Thank you very much, Iain.
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What I want to ask
you is, how do you
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00:24:03,662 --> 00:24:06,378
guard this idea as it unfolds
in the next few years?
446
00:24:06,378 --> 00:24:07,920
>> Well, that's a
very good question.
447
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,720
And I'm--
448
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,840
>> There's something, I
think, very counterintuitive,
449
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,595
a little bizarre, a little-- it
evokes incredulity in people.
450
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And when I first heard
it, I thought that, that
451
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:20,930
sounds really strange.
452
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:23,330
Iain's saying things that
other people haven't seen.
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The fundamental
thing he's saying
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is the philosophical
notion that what matters
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is not what the
brain hemispheres do,
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but how they do it.
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There are times when we're
very focused, very explicit
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and there are times
when we're more
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nuanced and implicit
and contextual.
460
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:42,330
You do begin to notice
it in certain places.
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So the, sort of, creeping
bureaucratization
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that you sense, the
fragmentation of knowledge,
463
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,450
the over-reliance
on quantification,
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00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:53,060
the obsession with
evidence-based policy.
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And the desire for data--
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the, sort of, fetishization
of data, really.
467
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And the losing touch with
broader patterns of judgment
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and taste and discernment.
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>> Many of my McGilchrist's
insights into the brain
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hemispheres have come from
patients who have had strokes.
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[MUSIC - JURG KESSELRING]
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>> Jurg Kesselring is
a great neurologist.
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He's a clinician, but
also, a philosopher
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00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:38,850
and a great musician,
as it happens.
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[APPLAUSE]
476
00:26:01,030 --> 00:26:03,870
>> You see how hard life
is in the mountains?
477
00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:04,810
>> It is very hard.
478
00:26:04,810 --> 00:26:06,340
I see that.
479
00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:10,250
>> You want to do something
serious and then the laughing
480
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:11,050
winds.
481
00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:13,473
>> Come and blow everything.
482
00:26:17,234 --> 00:26:19,146
>> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH].
483
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>> Something you
must go to and--
484
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[LAUGHING]
485
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:54,790
Also, therapy's everywhere.
486
00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:56,420
And over here--
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00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:58,672
>> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH].
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[LAUGHING]
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>> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
490
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:13,930
>> It's been fascinating
going around and seeing some
491
00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:15,760
of the patients
that you have here.
492
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,505
And I remember you telling
me about some cases.
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You mentioned--
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>> One I remember well,
there was a gentleman who is
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a writer.
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He's writing travel books.
497
00:27:26,350 --> 00:27:33,070
And one night, he woke up
and felt an arm next to him.
498
00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:35,470
And then he thought,
well, who could that be?
499
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:38,440
Because my wife
said she will stay
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in Basel and another place.
501
00:27:40,270 --> 00:27:41,950
So it cannot be her.
502
00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:45,610
And then he turned on the
light and saw this arm
503
00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:49,240
and threw it out of
the bed and followed it
504
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,010
because it was his arm.
505
00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:53,440
And then he realized
lying on the ground
506
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that something must be wrong.
507
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:58,720
And he went by his own
car-- with his own car
508
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,600
into the hospital.
509
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,840
>> This patient relies
on her left hemisphere.
510
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,885
She's been asked to spread
sauce over the entire pizza.
511
00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:22,120
>> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
512
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,760
>> What is the
definition of neglect?
513
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,450
That people behave as if one
part of their outer space
514
00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:30,760
would not exist.
515
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,930
This part of her surroundings
does not exist for her.
516
00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:37,510
>> Now we change
the perspective.
517
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:39,160
>> We turn it.
518
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,190
But I don't have any here.
519
00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:43,540
>> You wanted it here?
520
00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:43,900
>> Huh?
521
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:44,700
>> And here?
522
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:48,230
>> And she's surprised there
was no tomato sauce anymore.
523
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,900
>> For people and animals,
the effect of losing the right
524
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,880
hemisphere is the same.
525
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,450
>> The left hemisphere on its
own is deeply deluded, in fact,
526
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:06,600
and is unaware of its deficit.
527
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,670
It doesn't have insight.
528
00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:11,730
And it doesn't realize
what it is it's missing.
529
00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:14,310
>> Hi, Mr. Cohen.
530
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:15,280
Hi, Miriam.
531
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,490
>> Hi, doctor, how are you?
532
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:17,290
>> I'm good.
533
00:29:17,290 --> 00:29:21,360
>> Six months ago, Miriam Cohen
collapsed from an aneurysm.
534
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,830
>> Look at my eyes.
535
00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:24,510
And I'm gonna put
some fingers up
536
00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:27,330
and you tell me how many
fingers you see now.
537
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,320
Don't look over there.
538
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,040
Look at me.
539
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,930
Now?
540
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:34,470
>> Since then, she's been
relying primarily on her left
541
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:35,880
hemisphere.
542
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,140
>> Now?
543
00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:40,570
>> It was a fortunate thing for
me that he just happened to be
544
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:41,370
working.
545
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:42,720
>> That's very strong.
546
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,030
>> Because-- and I
thanked him later on.
547
00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:51,140
I said to him, if you weren't
there, I wouldn't be here.
548
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,020
>> One, two, three.
549
00:29:59,020 --> 00:30:00,150
>> Yeah.
550
00:30:00,150 --> 00:30:03,190
>> She had quite a
severe case of neglect.
551
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:05,730
At the beginning, she
was the same patient
552
00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:08,900
who wouldn't know her own head.
553
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,460
Neglect's an interesting thing.
554
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:14,060
People who have
strokes, particularly
555
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:17,240
in the right parietal
area, the patients
556
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:23,090
will not have an awareness of
the left side of their world.
557
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:31,200
>> I would start my writing
not on the left hand side,
558
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,125
I would start it in
the middle of the page.
559
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,610
It's not that I couldn't see it.
560
00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:41,440
I could see it, but
my brain wouldn't
561
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,570
register that it was there.
562
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:45,100
>> Open.
563
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:50,440
>> Miriam's stroke left her
with a skewed sense of reality.
564
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,970
>> She hallucinated.
565
00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:52,970
She's an accountant.
566
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:56,747
So she would see
numbers everywhere.
567
00:30:59,550 --> 00:31:02,860
>> She also was adamant that
there was a woman sharing her
568
00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:03,660
room.
569
00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:08,670
>> She was there.
570
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:10,826
You never saw her.
571
00:31:10,826 --> 00:31:12,640
I said why are you in my room?
572
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,680
This is not your room.
573
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,840
This is my room.
574
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,700
>> These are not
people who are mad.
575
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:23,320
These delusions are
mostly due to problems
576
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,540
in the right hemisphere.
577
00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:30,770
>> So if anyone talks about
the right side of the brain
578
00:31:30,770 --> 00:31:34,910
and the left side of the brain,
that is my goal in life to find
579
00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:40,010
a good balance between these
two ways of looking at the world
580
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:43,370
and acting upon the world.
581
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:46,220
But I'm convinced,
of course, that many
582
00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:50,600
of us with the two hemispheres
functioning beautifully
583
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,975
have neglect for great
parts of the world.
584
00:32:03,262 --> 00:32:05,720
>> Well, one of the primary
features of the left hemisphere
585
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,040
is that you often find this
enormous capacity for denial,
586
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,550
this capacity to just ignore
things and keep them shut out.
587
00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:20,050
I think what Iain's
trying to say
588
00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:22,180
is that there's a
certain disconnection
589
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:25,060
from the natural world
gradually happening.
590
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:27,100
We're living in
cities much more.
591
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,640
We are distracted much more.
592
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,367
We have more claims
on our attention.
593
00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:38,860
The problem is when a completely
urban life shuts you off
594
00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:42,880
from the ecological resources
that sustain the life you have.
595
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,270
They're all hidden from us.
596
00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:47,890
I mean, our electricity,
our gas, our water,
597
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:51,010
our food sources, we don't
know where they're coming from.
598
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:54,010
So there's a kind of
delusion, really, at the heart
599
00:32:54,010 --> 00:32:55,810
of modern urban life.
600
00:32:55,810 --> 00:32:57,310
This sort of implicit
understanding
601
00:32:57,310 --> 00:33:01,290
that we're a part of nature is
no longer a default position.
602
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,960
People broadly accept climate
change as a global phenomenon,
603
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,870
that humans are causing
it, that it's very serious,
604
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:13,150
that we can and should
do something quickly,
605
00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:15,890
and that if we don't, there'll
be very serious effects.
606
00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:19,320
But we live as if that
knowledge was not there.
607
00:33:21,698 --> 00:33:23,990
We've got to look at it from
the perspective of science
608
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:27,140
and perspective of technology,
from law, from culture,
609
00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:29,930
from democracy, from
behavior, from money.
610
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:33,230
And to do that requires a form
of perception and understanding
611
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:35,480
that isn't going to come
from the left hemisphere that
612
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,795
wants to slice and dice
and execute quickly.
613
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,030
>> To make quick decisions,
the left hemisphere relies
614
00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:52,090
on abstractions, categories,
and models of the world.
615
00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:56,020
>> Economists have been
amongst the most frequent
616
00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:59,560
of my correspondents, saying
you describe precisely the world
617
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,710
in which I operate.
618
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,130
>> The tendency to
get fixed with models,
619
00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:10,960
almost to fetishize them, has
led us astray in many ways,
620
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,699
historically.
621
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,040
Versions of instrumental
rationality,
622
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,375
reductive reasoning that we
associate with the left brain.
623
00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:19,175
>> Yes.
624
00:34:19,175 --> 00:34:24,290
>> Taking finance through boom
bust cycles where people have
625
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:26,870
failed to see what's
plainly obvious in front
626
00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:32,540
of their noses, that we're in
potential bubbles and so forth.
627
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:34,250
The financial
system was supposed
628
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:37,130
to have been based
on certain models
629
00:34:37,130 --> 00:34:39,440
and assumptions of 8% returns.
630
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,690
It was supposed to
have given people
631
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:47,280
the ability to lead a certain
decency of a future life.
632
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,790
>> The closing numbers on the
markets today, at one point,
633
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:52,170
the market fell--
634
00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:55,134
>> We're down by between
3% and 4.5%, generally,
635
00:34:55,134 --> 00:34:55,969
across this market.
636
00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:57,815
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
637
00:34:57,815 --> 00:35:00,852
>> Now we're down--
638
00:35:00,852 --> 00:35:01,710
>> 21%
639
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:03,910
>> 43%
640
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:06,690
>> --over in Frankfurt
is down by 9%.
641
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,630
>> Yes, we can certainly think
of the crisis, in some measure,
642
00:35:09,630 --> 00:35:13,560
as being traceable to an
excessive reliance on certain
643
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,690
forms of modeling, on algorithms
which was used to price
644
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:21,850
mortgage-backed securities
and the subprime portions,
645
00:35:21,850 --> 00:35:26,300
most significantly.
646
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,270
>> Everyone thought, yeah, well,
I'm such a brilliant at this
647
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:30,590
market.
648
00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:32,270
It keeps going up--
649
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:35,960
until it doesn't, until
one day you wake up
650
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,660
and people are jumping
out of windows.
651
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:43,820
We see traders celebrating
with 1,000-pound bottles
652
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:46,220
of champagne.
653
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:49,370
And on the other side
of that exact trade,
654
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:52,430
there are people
committing suicide.
655
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:53,750
That clarifies the mind.
656
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:55,700
When you suddenly
think, hang on,
657
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,790
this is not just an
electronic platform
658
00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:01,700
which spikes on a chart.
659
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,100
There's a global,
real consequence
660
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,310
to any action that is
done in any market.
661
00:36:15,490 --> 00:36:20,890
I think it's so
fundamentally wrong.
662
00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:23,740
At 2 o'clock in the morning, I
woke up and I said to my wife,
663
00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:25,070
I'm not doing this.
664
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:26,960
I cannot do this.
665
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,420
We're serving a system
that we cannot control.
666
00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:32,950
You're not cleverer
than the market.
667
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:36,370
It's the market that's clever.
668
00:36:36,370 --> 00:36:40,900
>> When mortgage holders in
Orange County, California,
669
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,090
start defaulting
on their mortgages,
670
00:36:43,090 --> 00:36:45,680
and then all of a sudden, the
whole nation of Iceland goes
671
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,480
bust.
672
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,340
So this level of
intense correlation
673
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:50,260
is something we need
to be deeply aware of
674
00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:54,340
and try to come up with some
new, more sustainable paradigms
675
00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:55,330
of how we do finance.
676
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,160
>> Economics detached
from a robust,
677
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,010
resourceful picture of human
well-being is very dangerous.
678
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:13,870
That's what we're living with
in large parts of the globe.
679
00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:17,530
We seem to take it as
absolutely self-evident
680
00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:21,100
that unlimited
material growth is
681
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,020
the best thing we can hope for.
682
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:28,810
And I think the biggest
single task is thinking again
683
00:37:28,810 --> 00:37:31,420
through that question
of growth and why
684
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:35,500
it's so obvious a target
and why some kinds of growth
685
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,270
are, of course,
privileged over the notion
686
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:40,840
of the growth of real human
well-being and understanding.
687
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,380
>> We've become terrifically
clever at technical matters.
688
00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:47,200
But technical matters are
only interesting if they
689
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,845
can be there in the service
of a long-term vision.
690
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:58,090
>> If our society acts as if the
left hemisphere is in control,
691
00:37:58,090 --> 00:38:01,440
how would the right
hemisphere view the world?
692
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,640
One scientist reveals her
first-hand experience.
693
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,230
>> Jill Bolte Taylor is a
neuroanatomist and someone
694
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:12,630
who's also experienced a stroke.
695
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:15,870
>> But on the morning
of December 10, 1996,
696
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:20,370
I woke up to discover that I
had a brain disorder of my own.
697
00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:24,900
A blood vessel exploded in
the left half of my brain.
698
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,150
And in the course
of four hours, I
699
00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:31,170
watched my brain completely
deteriorate in its ability
700
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:33,930
to process all information.
701
00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:37,080
Then I realized, oh my
gosh, I'm having a stroke.
702
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,400
I'm having a stroke.
703
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,090
And then the next thing my
brain says to me is, wow,
704
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:43,140
this is so cool.
705
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:45,080
[LAUGHTER]
706
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,860
This is so cool.
707
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:49,770
How many brain scientists
have the opportunity
708
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:52,310
to study their own brain
from the inside out?
709
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,640
Dr. McGilchrist.
710
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,440
>> Hey.
711
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,430
>> What an honor.
712
00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:58,940
Thank you.
713
00:38:58,940 --> 00:38:59,780
>> Real good to see you.
714
00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:00,740
>> I'll give you a little tour.
715
00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:01,698
>> Thank you very much.
716
00:39:01,698 --> 00:39:04,190
>> So this is, uh-- well,
this is my main space.
717
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:06,890
I do the stained glass brains.
718
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:09,570
And this is my cosmic brain.
719
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:11,940
This is actually right
hemisphere, left hemisphere.
720
00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:12,740
>> OK.
721
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:15,470
>> It's a piece called
"Neural Processing."
722
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:17,490
And I've just started
limestone carving.
723
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:18,290
>> Oh, yeah.
724
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:19,670
>> And then I did
a little brain.
725
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:20,120
>> Right.
726
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,550
>> And they're just going
to get bigger and bigger.
727
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:23,420
I have all kinds.
728
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:24,295
>> That sounds great.
729
00:39:24,295 --> 00:39:26,090
>> Big ones, little
ones, real ones.
730
00:39:26,090 --> 00:39:28,050
I just think the
brain is totally cool.
731
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:28,880
>> Mm-hmm.
732
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,870
Oh, right.
733
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:35,150
[MUSIC PLAYING]
734
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:38,900
>> And then right here is an
arteriovenous malformation,
735
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,588
which was where mine
was when it blew.
736
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:43,532
[SIREN SOUNDING]
737
00:39:43,532 --> 00:39:45,900
[EMERGENCY RADIO CHATTER]
738
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,360
On the morning of the stroke,
I ended up in the hospital.
739
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,920
And I wake up later
that afternoon,
740
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,440
and everybody else is freaking
out because I'm drooling
741
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,600
and I'm paralyzed.
742
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,210
I didn't have language
for five weeks.
743
00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:02,700
I had a completely silent
mind, no language whatsoever.
744
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,790
Yeah, my mom was my best friend.
745
00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:10,370
And of course, she ended
up rearing me twice.
746
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:12,530
I wasn't that woman
I had been anymore.
747
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:13,510
She died.
748
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:16,840
The woman I had been died
that day, no question.
749
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,770
No question.
750
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:20,150
I didn't have her friends.
751
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:21,410
I didn't have her knowledge.
752
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:23,960
I didn't have anything
in common with her,
753
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,220
other than I was going
to be in this body.
754
00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:29,900
Mom would take me to the store.
755
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,410
People are rushing to
buy all these products,
756
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:36,380
bombarding the sensory systems.
757
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:39,440
Too much stimulation.
758
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,890
I always say to people who
have lost the left brain
759
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:45,200
and they're open to the big
picture right hemisphere,
760
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,350
they can read people
like nobody can.
761
00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:52,010
Truthtelling, the relationship
between tone of voice
762
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:54,860
and facial expression and
body expression, these people
763
00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:59,120
should be hired by police
departments and anybody who
764
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,130
really needs a
good lie detection.
765
00:41:01,130 --> 00:41:03,560
Because it's obvious.
766
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,810
>> What can it be like?
767
00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:06,350
Can you try and
give us some idea
768
00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:09,830
of what it's like to think
and to know you're thinking
769
00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:11,310
but not to have words?
770
00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:12,720
Is that very frustrating?
771
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,180
>> There's zero frustration.
772
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:17,000
I think the frustration
comes from the left brain not
773
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,240
being able to express itself.
774
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:19,040
>> Yeah.
775
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,910
>> I didn't have that.
776
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:21,202
>> You didn't really feel that.
777
00:41:21,202 --> 00:41:22,310
>> I felt none of that.
778
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:23,730
It was wonderful.
779
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,450
And the state of
blissfulness feels like awe.
780
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,620
My experience became the
energy in the space between us.
781
00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:30,420
>> Right
782
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:32,470
>> It wasn't about me and you.
783
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:37,550
It was about the
experience of all of us.
784
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:38,520
>> Right.
785
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,390
>> I think you and I have
a whole lot in common.
786
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:43,640
I think the difference
is significant, though.
787
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,790
But I think that's
because I'm experiential.
788
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:49,640
I agree with you completely
that our society has completely
789
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,710
shifted and skewed to the left.
790
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:55,960
And with that, comes the left
hemisphere value structure.
791
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,160
Yeah, I agree with
you completely.
792
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,380
>> It's too simple to
be able to just say what
793
00:42:02,380 --> 00:42:05,140
she's experiencing is
the activity of the right
794
00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:06,040
hemisphere.
795
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,170
I think it's more
complex than that.
796
00:42:08,170 --> 00:42:12,350
But one cannot deny is that
that is her experience.
797
00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:14,660
And you know, she's
done fantastic work
798
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:15,670
on the basis of it.
799
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:25,450
>> Strokes are one way to learn
about the right hemisphere.
800
00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:28,555
But there is a time of life
when we are all experts.
801
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:33,725
>> So, hey!
802
00:42:33,725 --> 00:42:35,478
They don't need microphones.
803
00:42:35,478 --> 00:42:36,590
>> [LAUGHS]
804
00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:37,390
Hi, guys.
805
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:38,950
Yeah!
806
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:41,890
>> Colwyn Trevarthen, and
he's done important research
807
00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:45,610
on childhood development in
terms of their hemispheric
808
00:42:45,610 --> 00:42:48,130
activity.
809
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:51,730
Tell me more about what happens
in terms of hemisphere shift
810
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:53,860
in the way in which we
bring up our children.
811
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:55,110
>> There's a complementarity.
812
00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:55,640
>> Absolutely.
813
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,510
>> They work together.
814
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:57,310
>> Yes.
815
00:42:57,310 --> 00:43:00,490
>> But there are periods when
one hemisphere is growing more
816
00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:05,210
rapidly and taking more
responsibility for controlling
817
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:06,320
behavior.
818
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,000
And in the first
couple of years,
819
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,330
the right hemisphere is
definitely more active.
820
00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:12,475
>> Yeah, yeah.
821
00:43:12,475 --> 00:43:16,640
>> And enjoying imitation and
games right from immediately
822
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,440
after birth.
823
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,400
>> Yes.
824
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,360
>> Babies have a great
interest in sharing rituals,
825
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,630
little peculiar things like
nursery songs and clever,
826
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:28,835
clappy, handy action games.
827
00:43:31,570 --> 00:43:33,560
>> [LAUGHS]
828
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,850
>> Children make music and dance
long before they can speak.
829
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:43,730
They communicate through body
language, music, and rhythm.
830
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:45,800
>> Musicality is
the innate need,
831
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,762
the urge for human beings
to move in expressive ways.
832
00:43:50,762 --> 00:43:51,595
And it can be dance.
833
00:43:51,595 --> 00:43:52,760
It can be music.
834
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,690
It can be poetry.
835
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:55,410
It can be anything.
836
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:59,260
And that's what art is, art
is the cultivation of play.
837
00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:00,070
>> Hello.
838
00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:02,310
>> Do you like this place?
839
00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:04,270
>> It's our nursery.
840
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:05,860
>> What's the most
fun thing about it?
841
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,100
Right.
842
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:10,930
Right.
843
00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:14,050
>> Well, there's been a
revolution in psychology.
844
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:17,650
It's now clear that everything
is embodied in movement,
845
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:21,010
movement and time have
been neglected by people
846
00:44:21,010 --> 00:44:25,370
concentrating on information.
847
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:28,270
The difference between
that and formal schooling
848
00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:30,520
is that formal schooling
assumes that they
849
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,710
have a lot of knowledge
to learn and they have
850
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:34,201
to be taught by skilled adults.
851
00:44:34,201 --> 00:44:35,001
>> Yes.
852
00:44:35,001 --> 00:44:38,230
[BELL RINGING]
853
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:42,400
>> As children get older,
their left hemisphere matures.
854
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,070
It starts showing its talent
for spoken and written language.
855
00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:50,030
The school curriculum
moves away from areas where
856
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:51,485
the right hemisphere excels.
857
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,050
>> There is a kind of
westernization or, as he would
858
00:44:58,050 --> 00:45:04,560
put it, a left hemispherization
of the way we approach
859
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,270
the world, the development
of a kind of technical
860
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:17,580
problem-solving attitude to our
lives, certainly in education.
861
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:19,590
Almost everybody
on the planet now
862
00:45:19,590 --> 00:45:22,290
goes to the same kind of school.
863
00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:26,280
And your life trajectory is
determined by how good you
864
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,800
are at that kind of learning.
865
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,760
The more embodied the subjects
of the school curriculum--
866
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,460
physical education,
drama-- the lower
867
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:39,800
down the hierarchy
of esteem it is,
868
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,900
you can drop them as
early as you like.
869
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,400
They get less time
in the curriculum.
870
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,750
So this imbalance is
absolutely institutional.
871
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:54,180
It's in the bone marrow
of our educational system.
872
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:57,720
>> Look around, and many of
the models we habitually use
873
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:01,230
in education, many of the
models that often the government
874
00:46:01,230 --> 00:46:04,630
promotes in education are
mechanistic, narrowing,
875
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:05,430
and dull.
876
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:08,258
They buy into all the
problems that we see.
877
00:46:08,258 --> 00:46:11,190
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]
878
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:13,590
>> So this is a person
who's giving off light.
879
00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:17,670
And do all people give off
light or just this person?
880
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:21,521
>> It's like, like this--
881
00:46:21,521 --> 00:46:22,745
>> It's like the personality.
882
00:46:22,745 --> 00:46:23,140
>> Yeah.
883
00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:24,060
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
884
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:24,870
So some people--
885
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:27,810
We need people to think
rigorously, to be literate,
886
00:46:27,810 --> 00:46:30,930
to be able to use models,
to be careful and articulate
887
00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:32,460
and lucid.
888
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:35,190
My concern is that, far
from asking too much,
889
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:39,020
we ask too little
of our children.
890
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:42,870
Far too often education is
about ingesting information,
891
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:46,080
not about learning how to think
independently and critically
892
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,483
and on many different
levels at once.
893
00:46:48,483 --> 00:46:51,201
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]
894
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,590
>> In universities, the left
hemisphere's way of thinking
895
00:46:55,590 --> 00:46:58,740
becomes even more dominant.
896
00:46:58,740 --> 00:47:02,280
As students specialize
in narrow fields,
897
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,760
theories and categories
become important.
898
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,600
>> It's sad because also the
humanities, at some level,
899
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,190
have been corrupted.
900
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:14,040
When one reads a
piece of literature,
901
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,040
it's not experienced
in terms of what can it
902
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,620
teach us about the universal
experience of being
903
00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:21,630
a human being.
904
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:26,400
Rather, it's how can it
be seen in the context
905
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,920
of some narrow vision
of identity politics.
906
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,030
In the Academy, there's a lot
of fuss over trigger words
907
00:47:34,030 --> 00:47:37,830
and everyone warring
over language.
908
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:41,500
>> What certainly would not
happen is that things would be
909
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:42,300
calm.
910
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:45,060
Because the left hemisphere
is quite emotional.
911
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:48,960
And one emotion that lateralizes
particularly clearly is anger.
912
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:54,060
And it lateralizes to
the left, to discourse
913
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:56,730
in public would become marked
by anger and aggression.
914
00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:59,005
[YELLING]
915
00:47:59,005 --> 00:47:59,915
>> Boo!
916
00:47:59,915 --> 00:48:00,715
Boo!
917
00:48:00,715 --> 00:48:01,790
>> Decency!
918
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:03,020
Decency!
919
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:04,000
Decency!
920
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,338
Decency!
921
00:48:05,338 --> 00:48:06,230
Decency!
922
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:12,380
>> I think it is a in certainly
Western society to try
923
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:17,183
and solve problems by regulation
rather than by culture.
924
00:48:17,183 --> 00:48:20,810
[CHANTING]
925
00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:23,540
>> The questions that are around
free speech in universities
926
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:26,822
and offense and all
these questions.
927
00:48:26,822 --> 00:48:29,600
[CHANTING]
928
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,030
>> The trouble is that when
you start legislating about it
929
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:35,900
and try to control it,
you produce higher levels,
930
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:40,070
not lower levels of
anxiety, deeper division.
931
00:48:40,070 --> 00:48:42,600
And you park the
fundamental question,
932
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,320
which is how do you evolve
a culture in which people
933
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,170
speak with one another
patiently and respectfully?
934
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:50,570
You can't legislate
that into existence.
935
00:48:50,570 --> 00:48:54,090
>> The monologue of
the claimers who say,
936
00:48:54,090 --> 00:48:58,850
world is like this and only
like this, this reductionism,
937
00:48:58,850 --> 00:49:02,090
that is a real
danger for our world.
938
00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:06,080
And we have to cultivate the
dialogue again and dialogue
939
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,990
with different people,
different cultures, and not just
940
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:12,200
claiming I'm the
knowledge I have--
941
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,570
I know everything.
942
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:19,130
>> But in the world of the arts,
students rely more on the right
943
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:22,680
hemisphere to convey
multilayered and implicit
944
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,480
meaning.
945
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,410
>> My darling, I know
what's keeping you here.
946
00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:31,376
You must get a grip on yourself.
947
00:49:31,376 --> 00:49:33,243
You're a little
intoxicated right now.
948
00:49:33,243 --> 00:49:34,410
You need to clear your head.
949
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:35,520
>> Be my friend.
950
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,710
Let me go.
951
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:39,970
>> Has it gone that far?
952
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:41,920
>> It's as if she's
calling me to her side.
953
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,720
Don't you see?
954
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,250
This could be the making of me.
955
00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:47,880
>> In the brain, memorized
lines are worked on by the left
956
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,680
hemisphere.
957
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,470
>> Sane, magnificent,
wonderful man!
958
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:55,860
>> But how they are expressed,
the tone and gestures,
959
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:58,140
is the preserve of
the right hemisphere.
960
00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:00,192
>> I've never been in love.
961
00:50:00,192 --> 00:50:03,650
I've never experienced
that young love, blissful,
962
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:06,170
dreamlike, romantic,
all-embracing love,
963
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:09,720
the only love that can
bring about true happiness.
964
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,220
>> What did we talk
about yesterday?
965
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:14,040
We talked about the fact
that like lots of men,
966
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,160
he wants permission.
967
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,960
>> To leave.
968
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,650
>> To leave.
969
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:22,500
Iain, can you explain the left
and right side of the brain?
970
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:26,000
>> Um, there are versions of
the world in which we are all
971
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,528
living.
972
00:50:27,528 --> 00:50:29,570
We're not aware of it
because we're bringing them
973
00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:31,190
together all the time.
974
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:35,300
But in one, the world in which
I believe we've got trapped
975
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,620
is the idea of a world
of things which are
976
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:45,000
knowable and precise and clear.
977
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,590
But this isn't at
all how the world is.
978
00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:52,220
According to the right
hemisphere, everything,
979
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:55,190
everything is connected
to everything else.
980
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:57,590
It's all about
the relationships.
981
00:50:57,590 --> 00:50:59,035
Something completely
electrifying
982
00:50:59,035 --> 00:51:00,410
was happening in
this room, which
983
00:51:00,410 --> 00:51:02,810
I could feel very
strongly, which
984
00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:06,230
emerges from the implicit.
985
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:09,560
But all art is like this,
that the power of it
986
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,370
lies in the bits that
are not explicit.
987
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:18,660
>> What I find reassuring
is that it's not necessarily
988
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:19,770
knowable.
989
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:24,066
>> Actually, it's
necessarily not knowable.
990
00:51:24,066 --> 00:51:28,230
[CLASSICAL MUSIC]
991
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:32,850
The reason we have theatre,
poetry, we have music,
992
00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:36,060
we have religious ritual, all
these things are ways of taking
993
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:39,945
us beyond the everyday language
that we're pinned down by.
994
00:51:39,945 --> 00:51:41,740
And it's breaking out of that.
995
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:45,062
And only things like really
powerfully performed art,
996
00:51:45,062 --> 00:51:46,770
you know, these things
can take us there.
997
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:51,760
[CLASSICAL MUSIC]
998
00:51:57,249 --> 00:52:00,441
[KNOCKING]
999
00:52:01,241 --> 00:52:03,550
[LAUGHTER]
1000
00:52:03,550 --> 00:52:06,450
>> Doctor!
1001
00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:07,450
Doctor!
1002
00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:09,950
>> Hello.
1003
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:14,550
>> Are you the brain specialist?
1004
00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:17,550
>> No, I am not the
brain specialist.
1005
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:19,870
No, no, I am not.
1006
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:20,670
Yes!
1007
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:21,584
Yes, I am!
1008
00:52:21,584 --> 00:52:24,330
[LAUGHTER]
1009
00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:26,640
>> My brain hurts.
1010
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,408
[LAUGHTER]
1011
00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:32,580
>> Of course, this museum
contains the skeleton
1012
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:36,120
of a very, very large man,
taller even than you, John.
1013
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,195
And--
1014
00:52:37,195 --> 00:52:37,995
>> How tall was he?
1015
00:52:37,995 --> 00:52:40,620
>> He's thought to have been
the tallest man who ever lived.
1016
00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:44,150
But here we've got an
interesting specimen.
1017
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:44,950
>> Ah.
1018
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:46,770
>> This is Charles
Babbage's brain.
1019
00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:48,330
>> No, the computer guy?
1020
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:51,150
>> The computer guy, the guy
who is credited with inventing
1021
00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:52,650
the first computing machine.
1022
00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:54,690
It was thought interesting
to find out what
1023
00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:56,340
a genius' brain looked like.
1024
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:57,990
The answer is a
little disappointing.
1025
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:59,700
It's rather like mine and yours.
1026
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:01,920
>> [LAUGHS]
1027
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,860
>> John, I mean, I never thought
in my wildest dreams that
1028
00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:08,400
I'd be sitting in a room in
London surrounded by brains
1029
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,550
talking to you.
1030
00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:10,350
Who knew?
1031
00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:12,975
But tell me, how
did this come about?
1032
00:53:12,975 --> 00:53:14,520
>> You won't believe it.
1033
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,640
A Monty Python meeting.
1034
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,440
>> Right.
1035
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,460
>> Seriously.
1036
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:20,640
We had a lunch in an
Italian restaurant in Soho.
1037
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,920
And at the end, Terry
Gilliam suddenly
1038
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,880
started going on
about your book.
1039
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,680
>> Right.
1040
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,480
>> And I think he's such a fool.
1041
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,923
>> [LAUGHS]
1042
00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:36,240
>> Most of my education was all
to do with the left hemisphere.
1043
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:37,040
You know?
1044
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,840
>> Yes.
1045
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,510
>> I got into Cambridge on
science, then I did law.
1046
00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:42,500
And that's how I
was taught to think.
1047
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:47,260
It's been from this very
logical, cold-blooded way
1048
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:51,850
of thinking into something
that is hugely more intuitive.
1049
00:53:51,850 --> 00:53:54,100
And this obviously came
because I discovered
1050
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,950
by accident at Cambridge
that I could write
1051
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:59,180
stuff that made people laugh.
1052
00:53:59,180 --> 00:54:02,400
[LAUGHTER]
1053
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,960
I began to see that the process
that I used when I was writing
1054
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,420
stuff like this was quite
different from the process
1055
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:11,840
that I used if I was trying
to understand a legal case.
1056
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,330
They seem quite different
ways of operating.
1057
00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:17,920
I think sometimes
you have something
1058
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,770
that is so completely silly
that it's almost meaningless.
1059
00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:23,470
I can think of things
in Monty Python jokes
1060
00:54:23,470 --> 00:54:27,602
that you simply are
unable to explain.
1061
00:54:27,602 --> 00:54:29,586
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1062
00:54:29,586 --> 00:54:32,066
[LAUGHTER]
1063
00:54:40,498 --> 00:54:41,490
[THUD]
1064
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:50,110
And since then, I've been very
much more intuitive and very
1065
00:54:50,110 --> 00:54:54,580
much this sort of logical
linguistic in my approach
1066
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:58,600
to life and much
happier as a result.
1067
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,350
Well, this is sort of an
"Alas, Poor Yorick" moment.
1068
00:55:02,350 --> 00:55:04,690
This head has clearly
seen better days.
1069
00:55:04,690 --> 00:55:09,520
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1070
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,690
Humor is a wonderful tool
for eliminating idiocy.
1071
00:55:13,690 --> 00:55:16,970
>> Yes, I think that's exactly
why you restore our sanity.
1072
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:17,770
>> Well, because--
1073
00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:19,425
>> You take the mickey
of this kind of thinking.
1074
00:55:19,425 --> 00:55:21,550
>> Yes, and it's a sense
of proportion, as you say.
1075
00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:25,940
Because a sense of humor
is a sense of proportion.
1076
00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:30,950
Well, I've been studying
the DNA ideas for some time.
1077
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:32,800
And I've come to
certain conclusions
1078
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,360
based on all the
research I've done.
1079
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,300
For example, this
gene just here,
1080
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:41,420
this is the gene that determines
whether you prefer raspberries
1081
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:42,220
or strawberries.
1082
00:55:42,220 --> 00:55:43,330
>> Ah, yes.
1083
00:55:43,330 --> 00:55:43,780
>> You know?
1084
00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:44,580
>> Indeed.
1085
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:47,650
>> Now this gene here
is terribly interesting.
1086
00:55:47,650 --> 00:55:49,330
If you have that
gene, then you're
1087
00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:52,130
likely to enjoy
Nicolas Cage films.
1088
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:52,930
>> Huh, right.
1089
00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:54,980
>> So that's another
mystery here.
1090
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:56,980
And this one here, which
is very strong for you,
1091
00:55:56,980 --> 00:56:02,920
is someone who spent 20
years writing a book.
1092
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,180
>> I wish I didn't
have that gene.
1093
00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:05,980
Because--
1094
00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:07,090
>> Because you could
get on with your life.
1095
00:56:07,090 --> 00:56:08,776
>> I could get on
with a life, yes.
1096
00:56:08,776 --> 00:56:12,670
[LAUGHING]
1097
00:56:12,670 --> 00:56:14,380
Can we do something
about it, please?
1098
00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:15,811
[LAUGHS]
1099
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:27,440
>> If our society is relying
too much on the left hemisphere,
1100
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,590
how have past civilizations
perceived their world?
1101
00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:35,009
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1102
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:42,440
>> When we began to look at the
main movements in the history
1103
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:47,510
of ideas, a person emerged
which was quite extraordinary
1104
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:50,590
and so much more interesting
than I could possibly have
1105
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:51,460
imagined.
1106
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:57,990
What I could see was that
three times in the West,
1107
00:56:57,990 --> 00:57:02,460
there had been a period of
flourishing of a civilization--
1108
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:09,250
Athens in the 6th century BC,
the beginning of the empire
1109
00:57:09,250 --> 00:57:12,940
in Rome, then once again
in the early Renaissance--
1110
00:57:15,790 --> 00:57:18,550
and that this civilization,
in each three cases,
1111
00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:20,815
showed a marvelous balance
of right hemisphere
1112
00:57:20,815 --> 00:57:24,090
and left hemisphere
modes of thinking.
1113
00:57:24,090 --> 00:57:26,970
But in each case, it
ended up with a movement
1114
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:29,730
further and further towards
that of the left hemisphere,
1115
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:32,010
after which the
civilization collapsed.
1116
00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:40,140
>> In ancient Greece and Rome,
statues and paintings portrayed
1117
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:44,930
individuals, people
with character.
1118
00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:47,300
But as the Roman
Empire declined,
1119
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:50,930
subjects often faced
forward without emotion.
1120
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:53,540
Individual character
gave way to expressions
1121
00:57:53,540 --> 00:57:55,100
of power and status.
1122
00:58:01,463 --> 00:58:03,630
>> So one of the things
that distinguishes the right
1123
00:58:03,630 --> 00:58:06,000
hemisphere is the
concept of depth.
1124
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,090
It's a very important one,
philosophically speaking.
1125
00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:11,610
And one can think in
quite concrete terms
1126
00:58:11,610 --> 00:58:18,300
of depth in space, depth in
time, and depth of emotion.
1127
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:20,663
Here we've got a
crucifixion scene
1128
00:58:20,663 --> 00:58:22,080
in the middle of
the 14th century.
1129
00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:27,470
There is no depth
to this picture.
1130
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:30,050
There is no landscape
that's situated
1131
00:58:30,050 --> 00:58:35,000
in the natural world and nothing
to situate it historically.
1132
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,890
And it's not a
criticism of it to say
1133
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:41,750
that it doesn't have such
depth or any relationship
1134
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:43,810
to the world around.
1135
00:58:43,810 --> 00:58:47,180
>> But during the
Renaissance, art changes,
1136
00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:48,875
suggesting a shift in the mind.
1137
00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:55,390
>> When we come forward here to
this "Adoration of the Kings"
1138
00:58:55,390 --> 00:59:02,320
in 1500, the building work here
obeys the laws of perspective
1139
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,860
and at the same time gives us a
sense of temporal perspective,
1140
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:11,200
that this event is taking place
at some point in the past,
1141
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,760
hence the ruin.
1142
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,460
You will only get
that perspective
1143
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:20,920
from the right hemisphere
take on the world.
1144
00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:31,860
It's a mistake to think of
the arts or the sciences
1145
00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:34,830
as being one hemisphere
or the other.
1146
00:59:34,830 --> 00:59:39,240
A Renaissance man was somebody
who was learned and experienced
1147
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,870
in many aspects of knowledge.
1148
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:47,940
What you see is this broad
perspective on life in which
1149
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:49,840
science and art came together.
1150
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,984
They weren't separate, as
they so often are today.
1151
00:59:53,984 --> 00:59:57,880
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1152
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:08,940
>> If you go from hemisphere
to cultural history,
1153
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:11,770
it will feel incongruous
and like a non sequitur.
1154
01:00:11,770 --> 01:00:13,590
It won't feel like
it makes sense.
1155
01:00:13,590 --> 01:00:15,990
But remember,
hemisphere is really
1156
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:19,880
shorthand for a way
of seeing the world.
1157
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,210
And what he's arguing is that
of these two broad patterns
1158
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:26,090
of perception, two broad
ways of viewing the world,
1159
01:00:26,090 --> 01:00:30,080
historically, you see them in
a kind of battle for supremacy.
1160
01:00:35,290 --> 01:00:40,090
>> One of the most daring
maneuvers of the left
1161
01:00:40,090 --> 01:00:42,550
hemisphere is the
Industrial Revolution.
1162
01:00:42,550 --> 01:00:46,660
We began a full-scale
onslaught on the natural world,
1163
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:50,440
that we were the masters and
we could control and exploit
1164
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,940
mere material, as we saw the
natural world as something
1165
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:56,980
there for us to utilize.
1166
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,720
We saw machines.
1167
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,700
We saw a landscape
that was increasingly
1168
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:09,190
molded by our efforts to slice
through it with railway lines,
1169
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:15,100
to carve tunnels, to
put our stamp on nature.
1170
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:19,270
>> The Industrial Revolution
also changed how artists saw
1171
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:20,260
the world.
1172
01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:23,500
In the early 20th century,
modern art frequently
1173
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:28,090
portrayed the world in terms of
fragments, cubes, and geometric
1174
01:01:28,090 --> 01:01:29,900
shapes.
1175
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:33,260
>> Artists always think that
they can escape painting
1176
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:34,970
in the spirit of the age.
1177
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:38,270
But their very rebellion
betrays the culture out
1178
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:40,350
of which they came.
1179
01:01:40,350 --> 01:01:43,250
Art doesn't come
out of thin air.
1180
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:47,105
It comes out of a culture.
1181
01:01:47,105 --> 01:01:49,230
I think there's something
different about the world
1182
01:01:49,230 --> 01:01:53,730
that we have entered
in the last 100 years.
1183
01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:57,330
What we find is
that various kinds
1184
01:01:57,330 --> 01:02:02,340
of ways of looking at the
world that occur to people who
1185
01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:04,680
have damage in the
right hemisphere
1186
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,110
start to become fashionable.
1187
01:02:07,110 --> 01:02:09,065
This is absolutely fascinating.
1188
01:02:14,190 --> 01:02:17,610
As we come forward
into the 20th century,
1189
01:02:17,610 --> 01:02:21,360
it reflected outwards
onto the world aspects
1190
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,820
of the left
hemisphere with cities
1191
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:29,370
that were laid out on grids
which were full of structures
1192
01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:35,970
that were rectilinear, the left
hemisphere way of thinking,
1193
01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:38,520
of being able to use things.
1194
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,957
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1195
01:02:52,324 --> 01:02:56,410
>> McGilchrist's theory of the
brain and Western civilization
1196
01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:59,770
attracts attention from
all over the world.
1197
01:02:59,770 --> 01:03:03,640
Some leading scientists welcome
his controversial theory.
1198
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,660
>> So the distinctions that Iain
is playing with between these
1199
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:11,680
two modes of knowing, modes of
experiencing that he associates
1200
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,440
with the two hemispheres,
that distinction makes a lot
1201
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,410
of sense to me.
1202
01:03:15,410 --> 01:03:19,240
And I think it's extremely
important in the modern world.
1203
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,020
>> There aren't that many
academics who can span,
1204
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:29,020
who have that broad span that
can go from very authoritative
1205
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:33,520
analysis of scientific data
through to the big picture
1206
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,920
and even on into spirituality.
1207
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,440
>> But among others in
the scientific community,
1208
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,530
there is serious resistance
to the link between the brain
1209
01:03:41,530 --> 01:03:42,670
and society.
1210
01:03:42,670 --> 01:03:46,510
>> You talk about this division
as if it has a purpose.
1211
01:03:46,510 --> 01:03:48,520
But that's not how things work.
1212
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,410
It exists as a consequence.
1213
01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:52,790
>> It's just your theory
that there isn't a purpose.
1214
01:03:52,790 --> 01:03:54,415
You don't know that
there's no purpose.
1215
01:03:54,415 --> 01:03:58,960
It's an assumption of science
that there is no purpose.
1216
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,860
>> This book is taking a
selected set of neuroscience
1217
01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:07,690
findings and trying to
relate them to the clinical
1218
01:04:07,690 --> 01:04:12,920
psychiatric experience, telling
a story that tries to mesh
1219
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,830
those two things.
1220
01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:17,770
I'm not comfortable with
that just because I'm
1221
01:04:17,770 --> 01:04:20,440
one of the guys committed
to actually finding out what
1222
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,280
these patients are,
how they behave.
1223
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,210
And I don't have the
freedom to just go off
1224
01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:31,970
on a larger metaphor.
1225
01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:34,600
I think here's how
you think about it.
1226
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,990
The brain is as
mechanical as clockwork,
1227
01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:39,240
a famous English
physicist said that.
1228
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,890
Let's just get over that.
1229
01:04:40,890 --> 01:04:42,850
That's the way it is.
1230
01:04:42,850 --> 01:04:47,100
>> So we life scientists,
we read the papers,
1231
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:50,760
come up with a working
hypothesis that is one step
1232
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,330
ahead of what we know,
but not two steps.
1233
01:04:54,330 --> 01:04:56,860
Two steps are punished.
1234
01:04:56,860 --> 01:05:00,880
So I think there
are two options.
1235
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,080
One option is in
30 years, it could
1236
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,910
be the Bible of neuroscientists
or it could be forgotten.
1237
01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:10,410
I think there is
nothing in between.
1238
01:05:16,790 --> 01:05:19,130
>> Stepping away
from this debate,
1239
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:24,022
McGilchrist seeks a
different kind of evidence.
1240
01:05:24,022 --> 01:05:28,414
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1241
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,670
Scientists have argued
that the human brain has
1242
01:05:38,670 --> 01:05:41,400
been the same machine
throughout history
1243
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,620
and that every major
civilization was
1244
01:05:43,620 --> 01:05:46,590
built by people with
the same kind of brain
1245
01:05:46,590 --> 01:05:49,530
and the same
perception of reality.
1246
01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:52,620
But McGilchrist believes
that the brain shapes
1247
01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:56,130
and is shaped by human culture.
1248
01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:58,245
And how do other
cultures view the world?
1249
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:04,560
It is a question that is
studied at Harvard University.
1250
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:11,620
>> A lot of psychologists have
the strong intuition that what
1251
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:12,883
they study is something deep.
1252
01:06:12,883 --> 01:06:14,300
It's something
about human nature.
1253
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:16,960
It's something fundamental
to how human brains operate.
1254
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,610
When neuroscientists
measure the brain,
1255
01:06:18,610 --> 01:06:21,130
they think they're
seeing a piece that's
1256
01:06:21,130 --> 01:06:23,380
constructed by human
genes that's human nature.
1257
01:06:23,380 --> 01:06:24,880
But actually, our
brains are heavily
1258
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,230
influenced by the environments.
1259
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:28,630
And our environments are
heavily culturally constructed,
1260
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:31,240
our social relationships,
the physical environments
1261
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:32,980
we operate in.
1262
01:06:32,980 --> 01:06:37,450
96% of psychological studies
are done with Westerners.
1263
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:39,977
And most of those are actually
American undergraduates,
1264
01:06:39,977 --> 01:06:41,560
just because of the
bulk of psychology
1265
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,610
being done in the US.
1266
01:06:43,610 --> 01:06:48,650
So this really gives us a biased
picture of human psychology.
1267
01:06:48,650 --> 01:06:51,440
And we don't know to what
degree those things extend
1268
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,390
to other members of the species.
1269
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,940
>> Henrich and his
colleagues decided to take
1270
01:06:58,940 --> 01:07:03,510
their psychology tests
to the rest of the world,
1271
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:06,920
people in Tahiti and the Amazon.
1272
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,120
One of the tests features
an optical illusion.
1273
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,600
Which line is longer?
1274
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,690
They are both the same.
1275
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:20,090
>> Westerners have
the biggest illusion.
1276
01:07:20,090 --> 01:07:22,730
And hunter gatherers don't
actually see the illusion.
1277
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:26,810
So they accurately
see the two lines.
1278
01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:28,560
We live in a world
of right angles,
1279
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,070
so our brains get really
good at converting
1280
01:07:31,070 --> 01:07:33,380
that presence of right
angles in our environment
1281
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:35,510
and using that to create
a spatial understanding
1282
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:37,670
in our brains.
1283
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:39,860
But in the world of
hunter gatherers,
1284
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:42,150
there might not be
any right angles.
1285
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:44,782
So their brains are
calibrated more accurately.
1286
01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:50,280
So it's a basic difference
across human societies
1287
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,730
as our minds adapt to the
culturally constructed world
1288
01:07:53,730 --> 01:07:54,530
that we live in.
1289
01:07:57,050 --> 01:07:59,600
>> [SPEAKING CHINESE]
1290
01:08:02,060 --> 01:08:04,400
>> At Queen's
University in Canada,
1291
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,330
research is being done on
how Asian and Western minds
1292
01:08:08,330 --> 01:08:10,230
perceive the world differently.
1293
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:11,490
>> I grew up in China.
1294
01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:14,930
I spent first 20
some years there.
1295
01:08:14,930 --> 01:08:17,270
It was not hard for me to
get interested in culture
1296
01:08:17,270 --> 01:08:19,760
because my own background.
1297
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,250
People think
differently, depending
1298
01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:24,080
on their cultural background.
1299
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,630
Compared to North
Americans, East Asians
1300
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:29,540
are more sensitive
to the context.
1301
01:08:29,540 --> 01:08:31,520
They attend more to the context.
1302
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,740
When we show people the pictures
of panda, monkey, banana,
1303
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:40,130
Chinese actually are more likely
to put monkey and the banana
1304
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:43,640
together because
monkeys like banana.
1305
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,069
So they focus on
that relationship.
1306
01:08:46,069 --> 01:08:47,450
[SPEAKING CHINESE]
1307
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:52,160
Next, [INAUDIBLE]
is more linear?
1308
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,399
>> I would say it's the
dragonfly and the bee.
1309
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:57,990
>> Why?
1310
01:08:57,990 --> 01:09:00,205
>> Because they're
both flying insects.
1311
01:09:00,205 --> 01:09:01,005
>> OK.
1312
01:09:03,979 --> 01:09:06,410
In traditional Chinese
and Japanese paintings,
1313
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:10,680
you do see less focus on
the individual person.
1314
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,859
You barely see the face.
1315
01:09:13,859 --> 01:09:15,899
You see the overall scenes.
1316
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:16,890
You see mountains.
1317
01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:19,590
You see trees, flowers.
1318
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:22,802
The person actually
is minimized.
1319
01:09:22,802 --> 01:09:25,260
>> People get very uncomfortable
with the idea that culture
1320
01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:26,850
produces biological differences.
1321
01:09:26,850 --> 01:09:28,225
Because normally
in our minds, we
1322
01:09:28,225 --> 01:09:30,270
separate biology and culture.
1323
01:09:30,270 --> 01:09:32,340
So it certainly gives
you an appreciation
1324
01:09:32,340 --> 01:09:33,810
the degree to which
things you take
1325
01:09:33,810 --> 01:09:36,510
to be just how the world
works or how people are
1326
01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:37,390
is not the case.
1327
01:09:37,390 --> 01:09:40,170
It's a peculiarity of this
certain cultural trajectory
1328
01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:43,680
that you happened
to be born into.
1329
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:47,189
>> Some cultures with a more
balanced way of seeing reality
1330
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:49,000
may live within Western society.
1331
01:09:52,750 --> 01:09:55,990
>> We know this as
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]..
1332
01:09:58,510 --> 01:10:01,510
Probably the best
translation would be
1333
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:06,160
"an inlet into the mountains."
1334
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,420
The way we look at the world
inside the Blackfoot mind,
1335
01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:14,950
what you would see
is a panoramic view.
1336
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:15,950
>> Yeah.
1337
01:10:15,950 --> 01:10:21,610
>> How do we fit in
into this whole picture?
1338
01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:24,430
And kind of drawing
on some of the work
1339
01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:27,730
you've done, hey, that's very--
1340
01:10:27,730 --> 01:10:32,170
that's very right sided,
right brain thinking,
1341
01:10:32,170 --> 01:10:35,870
looking at this big
picture how we fit in.
1342
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:36,670
>> Yes.
1343
01:10:36,670 --> 01:10:41,860
>> But at the same time,
nothing is ever at a standstill.
1344
01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:47,200
That's what we refer
to as that flux.
1345
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,550
>> Everything is related--
1346
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:51,610
physicists say this--
to everything else.
1347
01:10:51,610 --> 01:10:55,960
And is that also in the
wisdom and the culture
1348
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,650
of First Nation people?
1349
01:10:57,650 --> 01:11:02,650
>> If you hear Native prayers,
they will talk about "all
1350
01:11:02,650 --> 01:11:04,780
my relations."
1351
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:08,080
So when they're talking
about all my relations,
1352
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,750
they're not talking
about human relations,
1353
01:11:10,750 --> 01:11:12,790
they're talking
about these trees.
1354
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:14,470
They're talking about the water.
1355
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:15,270
>> Yes.
1356
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:18,580
>> They're talking about the
rocks, those birds out there.
1357
01:11:18,580 --> 01:11:21,610
All those animals,
they're all my relations.
1358
01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:22,460
>> Yes, yes.
1359
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:22,990
>> See?
1360
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:23,790
>> Yes.
1361
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:29,770
>> And that's where we fit
ourselves into that relational
1362
01:11:29,770 --> 01:11:31,750
network.
1363
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:34,390
>> Does that suggest,
as it does to me,
1364
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:39,730
that rocks and lakes and streams
and waterfalls have a life.
1365
01:11:39,730 --> 01:11:42,550
They're not just sort of things.
1366
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:44,290
>> They're all animate.
1367
01:11:44,290 --> 01:11:45,790
>> Yes.
1368
01:11:45,790 --> 01:11:50,200
>> In our way of thinking,
in fact, in Blackfoot,
1369
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,040
there is no word for inanimate.
1370
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:59,260
So that's the reason why our
elders always come out and say,
1371
01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:00,770
this is my church.
1372
01:12:00,770 --> 01:12:01,570
>> Yes.
1373
01:12:01,570 --> 01:12:02,680
Yeah.
1374
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,670
>> I am the environment.
1375
01:12:04,670 --> 01:12:05,470
>> Yes.
1376
01:12:05,470 --> 01:12:06,520
>> I am the environment.
1377
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:07,480
>> This is me.
1378
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:08,280
>> Yeah.
1379
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,760
This is me.
1380
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,000
>> That's actually wonderful.
1381
01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:19,760
>> If there are these competing
forms of perception and there
1382
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:25,250
are mechanisms culturally that
make them compete and play out
1383
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:29,780
and make one usurp the other,
and I think he argued that
1384
01:12:29,780 --> 01:12:32,585
pretty coherently, then
we should act on it.
1385
01:12:32,585 --> 01:12:34,710
You know, we should figure
out what to do about it.
1386
01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:38,660
>> The question is whether we
as persons have agency and are
1387
01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:41,790
capable to do something and
whether we can translate that
1388
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:42,590
into society.
1389
01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:50,210
>> Here's the area where you
had the bleeding in the brain.
1390
01:12:50,210 --> 01:12:51,790
There's no more blood there.
1391
01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:54,410
And we'll check the aneurysm
to make sure nothing's coming
1392
01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:55,210
back.
1393
01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:56,105
>> OK.
1394
01:13:01,930 --> 01:13:03,370
There's been a big change.
1395
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:13,300
I believe that you have
to want to get better.
1396
01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:16,750
It's very important
that in your mind
1397
01:13:16,750 --> 01:13:19,960
you have to say I'm
gonna get back there
1398
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,120
to where I was before.
1399
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,340
I want to do everything
I was doing before
1400
01:13:24,340 --> 01:13:27,715
and I'm going to do it no
matter what I need to do.
1401
01:13:31,450 --> 01:13:35,200
>> This is my
neuroplastic attitude.
1402
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,180
We are not just the victims
of our flattened world
1403
01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:43,670
and the dogmas that
some people put upon us.
1404
01:13:43,670 --> 01:13:45,650
But we can do something else.
1405
01:13:45,650 --> 01:13:49,000
And our patients are the best
teachers in this respect.
1406
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,910
That in spite of deficits,
we can change something.
1407
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:55,540
And this is what we want to do.
1408
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:58,960
>> Like you, I appreciate
that humanity is enormously
1409
01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:59,830
resourceful.
1410
01:13:59,830 --> 01:14:01,600
And there must have
been times in history
1411
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,480
when we could not have foreseen
what was coming in terms
1412
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,100
of a shift in the ideas.
1413
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:08,590
And we need that shift now.
1414
01:14:08,590 --> 01:14:12,100
>> Maybe it's asking too much
of Iain's work to say just solve
1415
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:14,500
the problem for us, you know?
1416
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:18,250
What he can do is point towards
the direction of the solution.
1417
01:14:18,250 --> 01:14:20,260
If we can get better
at seeing things
1418
01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:24,100
more holistically, more
specifically, more in context,
1419
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:27,190
if we can get better at
systematically resisting
1420
01:14:27,190 --> 01:14:29,110
attempts to turn
things into algorithm,
1421
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:32,020
to always measure,
to always quantify,
1422
01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:34,780
if we can get better and
more robust at doing that,
1423
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:38,690
the world will begin to
steer towards a better place.
1424
01:14:38,690 --> 01:14:45,990
>> We need to take advantage
of other systems of knowledge.
1425
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:50,820
We need to have a balance.
1426
01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:53,910
If we do that, we will have--
1427
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:59,517
we will be around as a
species for a long time.
1428
01:14:59,517 --> 01:15:00,600
>> Well, then let us hope.
1429
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:01,788
Let us hope.
1430
01:15:01,788 --> 01:15:06,270
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1431
01:15:14,736 --> 01:15:18,030
>> I want my ideas to be
picked up by other people
1432
01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:22,320
and internalized so that they
use them as a driver to look
1433
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,830
at the world in a different way.
1434
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:28,020
Things that were
anciently known,
1435
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:31,560
they were embodied
in myths, in drama,
1436
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:35,040
in poetry, the way
of thinking that
1437
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,230
was kept for the
kind of knowledge
1438
01:15:37,230 --> 01:15:44,340
that logic can't reach, our way
of thinking, feeling and being.
1439
01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:48,690
Einstein said the rational
mind is a faithful servant,
1440
01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:52,830
but the intuitive mind
is a precious gift.
1441
01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:55,860
And we live in a world
which honors the servant
1442
01:15:55,860 --> 01:15:57,190
but has forgotten the gift.
1443
01:16:00,820 --> 01:16:02,470
We do need a paradigm shift.
1444
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:04,840
Because it's not about
little things here and there.
1445
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,860
It's about the whole way we
conceive what a human being is,
1446
01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:12,880
what the world is, and what
our relationship with it is.
1447
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:23,720
Love is a pure attention to
the existence of the other.
1448
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,420
It's such a simple
thing, but it's so deep.
1449
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:31,310
And I found it applies to
many, many things in life.
1450
01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:33,500
Really what we're
on this planet to do
1451
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:37,580
is to give attention
to that other.
1452
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,430
It can be other
people, but it can also
1453
01:16:42,430 --> 01:16:47,260
be what until very recently
was the other that we were all
1454
01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:49,120
surrounded by all
the time, which
1455
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,890
was the natural world,
which is our home, which
1456
01:16:53,890 --> 01:16:59,560
is this completely amazing,
beautiful, staggeringly
1457
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,260
expressive gift.
1458
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:06,210
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