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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,997 --> 00:00:08,832 People in Wichita had been terrorized 2 00:00:08,925 --> 00:00:11,760 by the BTK killer for 30 years. 3 00:00:11,845 --> 00:00:14,430 I looked and saw my mom laying on the bed. 4 00:00:14,589 --> 00:00:16,348 You could smell the death. 5 00:00:16,433 --> 00:00:18,425 Four people dying in a house in Wichita, Kansas? 6 00:00:18,518 --> 00:00:20,185 That just didn't happen. 7 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:22,187 The motive behind these killings 8 00:00:22,272 --> 00:00:24,356 was more of the sexual gratification. 9 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:31,113 The demands that those investigators felt 10 00:00:31,272 --> 00:00:33,690 when lead after lead led them nowhere. 11 00:00:33,775 --> 00:00:36,109 Three months after the Otero murder 12 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:37,369 came Kathryn Bright. 13 00:00:40,448 --> 00:00:43,283 Dennis Rader had aspired to become a serial killer. 14 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:48,205 And with these murders, he had become BTK. 15 00:00:50,792 --> 00:00:52,634 When Dennis Rader, 16 00:00:52,794 --> 00:00:55,304 the serial killer known as BTK, 17 00:00:55,463 --> 00:00:57,631 started corresponding with me, 18 00:00:57,715 --> 00:00:59,308 one of the first things he said 19 00:00:59,392 --> 00:01:01,477 was that I should take a drive 20 00:01:01,636 --> 00:01:04,063 into the countryside around Wichita. 21 00:01:05,565 --> 00:01:07,566 He grew up on farms, 22 00:01:07,725 --> 00:01:11,820 and he wanted me to look at the barns and silos. 23 00:01:11,979 --> 00:01:15,824 They might look ordinary, but those were the places 24 00:01:15,983 --> 00:01:19,578 he had his first torture fantasies. 25 00:01:21,831 --> 00:01:24,658 He had this fantasy he was going to build 26 00:01:24,751 --> 00:01:27,086 this silo of terror. 27 00:01:27,245 --> 00:01:29,088 And so he drew it, 28 00:01:29,247 --> 00:01:32,582 and inside were things like the wheel of death, 29 00:01:32,675 --> 00:01:36,002 where he would chain a victim to it. 30 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:39,681 And there was a train along with a railroad track 31 00:01:39,766 --> 00:01:43,519 because his fantasy was to tie girls to the track 32 00:01:43,678 --> 00:01:45,854 and have the train run over them. 33 00:01:46,013 --> 00:01:48,273 When did you think of a barn 34 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:51,193 for the elaborate torture devices? 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,974 One of the things that we know about sexually compelled 36 00:02:22,133 --> 00:02:24,384 serial killers like Dennis Rader 37 00:02:24,477 --> 00:02:27,637 is that they often have generated a fantasy life 38 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:29,055 that's very vivid to them. 39 00:02:29,140 --> 00:02:31,308 Usually starts quite young. 40 00:02:31,392 --> 00:02:35,979 Studying that would show me what motivates them 41 00:02:36,063 --> 00:02:38,490 to want to kill someone 42 00:02:38,649 --> 00:02:42,411 but also to actually cross the line and do it. 43 00:02:42,495 --> 00:02:45,071 So good morning. Hello, Dennis. 44 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:47,249 I'm Dr. Katherine Ramsland, 45 00:02:47,408 --> 00:02:49,168 professor of forensic psychology 46 00:02:49,327 --> 00:02:50,669 and the author of multiple books 47 00:02:50,753 --> 00:02:54,331 about extreme offenders like serial killers. 48 00:02:54,415 --> 00:02:56,166 I've been corresponding with Dennis Rader 49 00:02:56,259 --> 00:02:59,511 to try to understand what led him to become 50 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:03,015 one of the most notorious serial killers in America. 51 00:03:03,174 --> 00:03:06,843 This is the first time that Rader has explored 52 00:03:06,936 --> 00:03:09,354 these topics in depth with anyone. 53 00:03:13,517 --> 00:03:16,528 The more information we have about serial killers, 54 00:03:16,687 --> 00:03:19,198 the more we understand what makes them tick, 55 00:03:19,357 --> 00:03:21,700 the easier it will be to prevent them. 56 00:03:36,374 --> 00:03:40,377 My goal with Dennis Rader is to use his story 57 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:43,463 to dissolve some of the stereotypes 58 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:48,385 about serial killers so that we can better identify 59 00:03:48,469 --> 00:03:52,564 children who might be at risk for becoming adult offenders. 60 00:03:53,983 --> 00:03:56,235 To do that, we need to understand 61 00:03:56,394 --> 00:03:59,571 what motivates someone like Dennis Rader. 62 00:03:59,730 --> 00:04:02,649 So we need to look at their development, 63 00:04:02,742 --> 00:04:04,576 their fantasy life, 64 00:04:04,661 --> 00:04:08,238 and their crimes to understand it. 65 00:04:12,326 --> 00:04:16,588 By the fall of 1974, Rader had killed the Oteros, 66 00:04:16,747 --> 00:04:20,092 murdered Kathryn Bright, attempted to kill her brother. 67 00:04:22,178 --> 00:04:24,096 And Rader has been going about 68 00:04:24,255 --> 00:04:26,840 business as usual as a young husband 69 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:29,759 and a student taking classes at Wichita State. 70 00:04:31,595 --> 00:04:34,347 Initially, the Bright murder was not associated 71 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,433 with the Otero killings. 72 00:04:36,517 --> 00:04:38,601 There were not a lot of similarities 73 00:04:38,686 --> 00:04:40,103 in the method of killing. 74 00:04:40,187 --> 00:04:43,606 The strangulation that was used at the Otero house 75 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:44,941 was different than what you found 76 00:04:45,026 --> 00:04:46,359 where Kathy was stabbed, 77 00:04:46,444 --> 00:04:49,112 and that's what resulted in her death. 78 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:50,872 At the crime scene at the Oteros, 79 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:52,457 the telephone line was cut, 80 00:04:52,616 --> 00:04:56,202 and there had not been a sign of a struggle. 81 00:04:56,287 --> 00:04:58,038 And at the Bright scene, of course, 82 00:04:58,122 --> 00:05:00,299 there was a struggle as Kevin fought back 83 00:05:00,458 --> 00:05:02,459 and they turned furniture over. 84 00:05:02,543 --> 00:05:05,721 And the phone in the bedroom had been unplugged. 85 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:08,140 But Kathryn Bright was found 86 00:05:08,299 --> 00:05:10,142 clutching a telephone receiver in her hand. 87 00:05:10,301 --> 00:05:11,643 She just wasn't able to make the call. 88 00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:16,315 Because Kathryn Bright's brother didn't die, 89 00:05:16,474 --> 00:05:19,318 he was able to give the police a little sketch. 90 00:05:21,896 --> 00:05:25,240 Did you pay attention to the news coverage afterward? 91 00:05:41,924 --> 00:05:44,343 One of the things Rader said to me 92 00:05:44,502 --> 00:05:48,680 was that he always had bad luck with his crimes 93 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,758 because something always seemed to go wrong. 94 00:05:51,842 --> 00:05:55,771 And he always felt as if he were the victim. 95 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:58,765 And it's because he sees his world from his point of view 96 00:05:58,858 --> 00:06:02,027 and no one else matters. 97 00:06:02,186 --> 00:06:04,354 Clearly, he has not thought of his victims 98 00:06:04,438 --> 00:06:06,523 as human beings at all. 99 00:06:06,607 --> 00:06:08,617 They belong to him, and they're supposed 100 00:06:08,776 --> 00:06:11,703 to behave according to his fantasies. 101 00:06:11,862 --> 00:06:16,375 And when they don't, he's the victim in his mind. 102 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:23,123 After the Otero case and the Kathryn Bright case, 103 00:06:23,207 --> 00:06:26,126 the newspaper makes a report 104 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:29,054 that there were some people that had been arrested 105 00:06:29,213 --> 00:06:31,139 that were indicating they might have been 106 00:06:31,298 --> 00:06:32,974 involved in the Otero killings. 107 00:06:33,134 --> 00:06:34,717 The one thing BTK likes 108 00:06:34,811 --> 00:06:36,978 more than anything else is publicity. 109 00:06:37,138 --> 00:06:39,398 So when suspects were in custody, 110 00:06:39,557 --> 00:06:41,400 not Dennis Rader, 111 00:06:41,559 --> 00:06:44,227 Rader was not happy about that. 112 00:06:44,311 --> 00:06:47,489 So Rader is thinking about, "Wait, I'm the guy. 113 00:06:47,573 --> 00:06:50,233 Where's the headline? I want to see the headline." 114 00:06:50,317 --> 00:06:51,901 And that ticked him off. 115 00:06:53,571 --> 00:06:57,999 In October of 1974, a prominent newspaperman 116 00:06:58,084 --> 00:06:59,659 for the "Wichita Eagle & Beacon" 117 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:01,920 received a anonymous telephone call telling him 118 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:04,589 that there was a letter related to the Otero case 119 00:07:04,748 --> 00:07:06,508 on the second floor of the public library 120 00:07:06,592 --> 00:07:09,261 in an engineering textbook. 121 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:11,754 Detective Bernie Drowatzky was assigned to go 122 00:07:11,848 --> 00:07:14,424 look for the letter, and he did find that. 123 00:07:16,093 --> 00:07:18,928 The letter started out with, "I did this. 124 00:07:19,013 --> 00:07:22,357 "I did it myself. I did it alone. 125 00:07:22,516 --> 00:07:24,025 So let's set this straight." 126 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:26,269 And then he goes into a recitation 127 00:07:26,362 --> 00:07:28,104 of all four of the victims, 128 00:07:28,197 --> 00:07:29,856 what position they were found in, 129 00:07:29,940 --> 00:07:31,274 how they were killed, 130 00:07:31,358 --> 00:07:32,775 the types of bindings that were used, 131 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:34,944 the types of knots that were used. 132 00:07:35,029 --> 00:07:38,373 Whoever wrote that had intimate knowledge of the crime scene 133 00:07:38,532 --> 00:07:39,958 or had committed the crime. 134 00:07:41,535 --> 00:07:43,128 At the end of the letter, 135 00:07:43,287 --> 00:07:46,131 he mentioned that, "The code words for me 136 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:51,636 will be bind them, torture them, kill them, BTK." 137 00:07:53,547 --> 00:07:55,724 What gave you that idea that you should have a name, 138 00:07:55,808 --> 00:07:57,392 and how did you come up with it? 139 00:08:03,807 --> 00:08:06,735 But other killers didn't name themselves. 140 00:08:14,243 --> 00:08:17,996 One of the things that motivates Dennis Rader a lot 141 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,822 is the need for attention. 142 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:22,834 He wanted to be considered special. 143 00:08:24,411 --> 00:08:26,421 And other serial killers, 144 00:08:26,506 --> 00:08:28,748 he saw them as being famous. 145 00:08:28,832 --> 00:08:31,584 So I think he named himself 146 00:08:31,677 --> 00:08:36,673 because he saw the way those names generated attention 147 00:08:36,757 --> 00:08:39,351 and he wanted to terrorize Wichita. 148 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:44,689 The letter in 1974 149 00:08:44,774 --> 00:08:47,192 indicated that he intended to continue to kill. 150 00:08:47,351 --> 00:08:50,353 He said that he was occupied by a monster 151 00:08:50,437 --> 00:08:52,364 and he doesn't know what the monster is gonna do 152 00:08:52,448 --> 00:08:55,108 and that BTK doesn't have a choice in the victims, 153 00:08:55,192 --> 00:08:56,693 that the monster picks the victims. 154 00:08:58,704 --> 00:09:01,698 The decision was made by the command at that time 155 00:09:01,791 --> 00:09:05,293 the letter should not be shared to the public 156 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:08,955 because it was work product of the investigation. 157 00:09:09,048 --> 00:09:13,134 The "Eagle" withheld the information from the public 158 00:09:13,219 --> 00:09:15,136 at the request of police 159 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:18,139 and did not publicize that there was a serial killer. 160 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:21,384 And, you know, police had convinced editors at the paper 161 00:09:21,477 --> 00:09:23,812 at that time in the '70s that it was, 162 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:25,689 you know, you don't want to panic the public. 163 00:09:37,901 --> 00:09:41,404 When Dennis is trying to talk about Factor X, 164 00:09:41,497 --> 00:09:43,665 he's saying, "Here's the big mystery. 165 00:09:43,824 --> 00:09:46,576 What is it that motivates me?" 166 00:09:46,660 --> 00:09:51,339 Factor X was kind of what one would consider to be 167 00:09:51,498 --> 00:09:53,675 the evil part of him. 168 00:09:53,834 --> 00:09:55,585 He was constantly daydreaming 169 00:09:55,669 --> 00:09:59,556 about how he can use sex to control others. 170 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:22,862 He wants to say, "There's a Factor X that's alive in me 171 00:10:22,946 --> 00:10:24,947 "that will have its way 172 00:10:25,032 --> 00:10:27,626 and there's not a lot I can do about that," 173 00:10:27,785 --> 00:10:33,289 as a way to slip responsibility for the decisions he made 174 00:10:33,374 --> 00:10:35,467 and the actions he took 175 00:10:35,626 --> 00:10:38,211 because it makes him seem larger 176 00:10:38,295 --> 00:10:39,879 than he actually is. 177 00:10:39,972 --> 00:10:43,975 If we can't figure him out, he's a much bigger person. 178 00:10:44,134 --> 00:10:49,472 But if he can be reduced to reasons for why he did it, 179 00:10:49,556 --> 00:10:51,066 he's no longer special. 180 00:11:03,153 --> 00:11:05,080 When do you think that started for you? 181 00:11:15,666 --> 00:11:17,917 Let me take you back to your childhood. 182 00:11:18,001 --> 00:11:20,095 You haven't talked very much, 183 00:11:20,254 --> 00:11:23,348 even to me, about your father and your sense of your father. 184 00:11:25,008 --> 00:11:26,518 Okay. 185 00:11:28,187 --> 00:11:29,354 Oh, I'm sorry. 186 00:11:30,514 --> 00:11:31,815 What do you have? 187 00:11:38,605 --> 00:11:40,865 Dennis Rader thinks of himself as a good person 188 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:42,108 who did some bad things. 189 00:11:42,201 --> 00:11:43,952 I don't buy that. 190 00:11:44,036 --> 00:11:47,372 But he certainly lives 191 00:11:47,531 --> 00:11:50,700 in an ordinary way most of the time. 192 00:11:50,784 --> 00:11:54,871 If anyone wanted to have an association with him, 193 00:11:54,955 --> 00:11:57,632 I mean, you have to talk about ordinary things 194 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:00,969 that really aren't about serial murder. 195 00:12:01,053 --> 00:12:04,472 Well, I mean, feel free to eat while you're talking 196 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:06,132 if you think you can do both. 197 00:12:06,216 --> 00:12:08,301 I don't want you to waste that. 198 00:12:08,385 --> 00:12:10,562 So let's go back to your childhood. 199 00:12:13,307 --> 00:12:14,232 Okay. 200 00:12:23,993 --> 00:12:26,486 Would you say you were close to him 201 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:27,579 growing up, then? 202 00:12:34,578 --> 00:12:38,331 The common perception of a serial killer's childhood 203 00:12:38,415 --> 00:12:43,428 is that they inevitably have endured some form 204 00:12:43,512 --> 00:12:47,173 of physical, sexual, or verbal abuse 205 00:12:47,257 --> 00:12:49,851 and pretty serious abuse. 206 00:12:49,935 --> 00:12:53,521 And we need to recognize that we're wrong about that, 207 00:12:53,606 --> 00:12:55,848 and we need to stretch our concept 208 00:12:55,933 --> 00:12:57,192 to accommodate somebody 209 00:12:57,276 --> 00:12:59,852 who didn't have child abuse. 210 00:13:01,939 --> 00:13:05,024 Dennis Rader was born in a small town 211 00:13:05,108 --> 00:13:07,535 in southeastern Kansas. 212 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:11,456 Both grandparents had farms. 213 00:13:11,615 --> 00:13:14,700 There was prayer, Bible reading. 214 00:13:14,785 --> 00:13:16,711 It seemed as if he had basically 215 00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:18,621 an all-American boyhood. 216 00:13:20,624 --> 00:13:23,709 But Rader didn't mature beyond 217 00:13:23,794 --> 00:13:26,471 the childhood need for attention. 218 00:13:26,555 --> 00:13:30,225 And one of the things we do see in serial killers, 219 00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:33,728 especially those who have this psychopathic kind of nature, 220 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:36,389 is an arrested development. 221 00:13:36,473 --> 00:13:39,308 While he matured in other ways, 222 00:13:39,393 --> 00:13:42,645 this need for attention remained very infantile. 223 00:13:44,231 --> 00:13:46,649 When Rader was a boy, 224 00:13:46,733 --> 00:13:48,743 there was an incident that happened 225 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:52,664 that he thinks of as a formative event. 226 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:21,767 The expression on his mother's face 227 00:14:21,852 --> 00:14:23,862 was a part of Factor X. 228 00:14:23,946 --> 00:14:26,105 Watching his mother, who is typically 229 00:14:26,198 --> 00:14:29,025 in a more powerful position, be utterly helpless 230 00:14:29,109 --> 00:14:32,954 translates through his development later 231 00:14:33,038 --> 00:14:35,197 to be, "That's the expression I want 232 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:36,949 on the face of my victims." 233 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:41,621 As a child, there was a big progression 234 00:14:41,705 --> 00:14:47,126 in his sexual fantasy life that slowly escalated 235 00:14:47,210 --> 00:14:49,462 and became increasingly more deviant. 236 00:15:15,497 --> 00:15:17,823 I never knew that. 237 00:15:17,908 --> 00:15:20,418 Why did you like hanging cats? 238 00:15:26,917 --> 00:15:30,002 He did admit that he had tortured kittens, cats 239 00:15:30,087 --> 00:15:32,013 when he was younger, and it seems 240 00:15:32,097 --> 00:15:33,765 that a lot of the serial killers prefer cats. 241 00:15:33,849 --> 00:15:35,758 What they will tell you is that it sounds like 242 00:15:35,842 --> 00:15:38,177 a female in distress when you torture a cat. 243 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,523 Why does he not see the immorality 244 00:15:42,608 --> 00:15:45,777 of his treatment, but also, why does he relish it? 245 00:15:45,861 --> 00:15:50,189 He loved utter helplessness and desperation 246 00:15:50,273 --> 00:15:54,285 and needing him to decide to let them go. 247 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:55,861 It would certainly be a training ground 248 00:15:55,946 --> 00:15:59,198 for what is coming for him in the future. 249 00:16:00,617 --> 00:16:02,293 At a young age, 250 00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:05,880 one of the things he was really fixated with was bondage. 251 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:09,801 And it led to his actually experimenting on himself. 252 00:16:53,336 --> 00:16:56,514 The rope has already become an arousal mechanism. 253 00:16:56,598 --> 00:16:58,841 Peeping on people has been something 254 00:16:58,934 --> 00:17:00,351 that has made him feel powerful. 255 00:17:00,436 --> 00:17:02,854 Now we put it together with a woman 256 00:17:02,938 --> 00:17:06,265 he wants to have power over quite specifically 257 00:17:06,349 --> 00:17:08,443 and he ejaculates. 258 00:17:08,527 --> 00:17:11,437 This cements the paraphilia. 259 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:15,941 A paraphilia is a trigger to arousal 260 00:17:16,026 --> 00:17:19,620 that is considered to be deviant, 261 00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:21,781 sometimes to the point 262 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:24,700 where they can't get aroused in a normal way at all. 263 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:28,954 Over time, you start to need more-- 264 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:32,374 More to stimulate yourself, more to get excited. 265 00:17:32,459 --> 00:17:36,888 And the fantasy started to escalate even further 266 00:17:37,047 --> 00:17:40,049 to his wanting to carry it out on others. 267 00:17:41,718 --> 00:17:43,636 We see these childhood fantasies 268 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,388 come full circle in the Otero murders, 269 00:17:46,473 --> 00:17:49,475 where all four victims were tied up, strangled, 270 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:52,070 or hanged like the cats. 271 00:17:52,229 --> 00:17:54,480 And he replicated in his victims 272 00:17:54,564 --> 00:17:57,575 the look of helplessness he'd seen on his mother's face 273 00:17:57,734 --> 00:18:00,319 when her hand was stuck in the sofa. 274 00:18:05,075 --> 00:18:09,337 When Chief LaMunyon took over the department in 1976, 275 00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:13,841 BTK really wasn't on anybody's immediate radar 276 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,168 because after 1974, 277 00:18:16,253 --> 00:18:19,097 we did not hear from BTK for about 2 1/2 years. 278 00:18:19,256 --> 00:18:22,100 At that point, that is enough time to go by 279 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:23,926 that some of us speculated that perhaps 280 00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:26,345 he was in prison or he had been killed. 281 00:18:29,099 --> 00:18:30,942 What authorities didn't know 282 00:18:31,101 --> 00:18:33,361 is that Rader was starting a family 283 00:18:33,445 --> 00:18:38,032 in the Park City suburb of Wichita. 284 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:42,862 Dennis and his wife had their first child in 1975. 285 00:18:42,946 --> 00:18:49,034 Rader had gotten a job from a security company. 286 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,037 In a way, it was, like, the perfect job. 287 00:18:52,122 --> 00:18:53,873 Dennis was one of the supervisors 288 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:56,125 who would come out and supervise the installation. 289 00:18:56,209 --> 00:18:58,553 I mean, how ironic is that? 290 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:00,054 Working at a security company 291 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,715 enhanced his predatory activities. 292 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:06,719 He developed more skills and understanding 293 00:19:06,803 --> 00:19:10,148 of how to enter a home and how to get past a security system. 294 00:19:23,486 --> 00:19:25,413 So no one ever caught you or complained 295 00:19:25,572 --> 00:19:27,123 that things were missing? 296 00:19:29,910 --> 00:19:33,504 While Rader's wife was home taking care of their newborn, 297 00:19:33,663 --> 00:19:36,090 he began to act on his fantasies again. 298 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:40,178 And his new job allowed him to troll for victims. 299 00:19:40,262 --> 00:19:42,430 He was always looking for victims, 300 00:19:42,514 --> 00:19:44,932 and he was always monitoring his victims' activities. 301 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,343 He called them projects. 302 00:19:47,427 --> 00:19:49,604 And one of the things he kept repeating to me 303 00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:51,347 throughout the time I spent with him 304 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,599 is, "If you become my project 305 00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:56,861 and you have a routine, you're in trouble." 306 00:19:57,020 --> 00:20:00,439 Once you knew who you were going to target, 307 00:20:00,523 --> 00:20:02,533 what did that feel like to you? 308 00:20:28,385 --> 00:20:31,062 This is the neighborhood where Dennis Rader 309 00:20:31,221 --> 00:20:33,722 would roam around looking at the homes, 310 00:20:33,815 --> 00:20:37,226 going in backyards, being a voyeur, 311 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:39,979 looking for what he called projects. 312 00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:42,898 And what he really liked about this neighborhood was, 313 00:20:42,983 --> 00:20:45,826 this was close to the interstate, 314 00:20:45,986 --> 00:20:48,237 where it was a quick getaway. 315 00:20:49,906 --> 00:20:54,168 For Rader, a project is an incident 316 00:20:54,327 --> 00:20:59,581 that Rader has planned where he has targeted a person 317 00:20:59,666 --> 00:21:03,177 against which he's going to commit a crime. 318 00:21:03,336 --> 00:21:05,596 He began to name them. 319 00:21:05,755 --> 00:21:07,348 Like, someone playing the piano 320 00:21:07,507 --> 00:21:09,591 was Project Piano. 321 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:12,594 So whenever he wanted to think about a project, 322 00:21:12,679 --> 00:21:13,762 he had a label. 323 00:21:27,861 --> 00:21:29,528 When we sort of back up on this 324 00:21:29,612 --> 00:21:31,780 and look at it psychologically, 325 00:21:31,865 --> 00:21:35,209 he's dehumanizing people. 326 00:21:35,368 --> 00:21:38,120 He can distance himself from them 327 00:21:38,213 --> 00:21:40,622 and what he's going to do with them. 328 00:21:40,716 --> 00:21:44,043 Any pain they feel, any loss to other people 329 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:48,464 is of no consequence to him 'cause they're projects. 330 00:21:50,467 --> 00:21:53,811 On March 17, 1977, 331 00:21:53,895 --> 00:21:57,148 almost three years after he killed Kathryn Bright, 332 00:21:57,232 --> 00:22:00,142 the pressure from his fantasies had been building, 333 00:22:00,235 --> 00:22:03,145 and Rader was ready to kill again. 334 00:22:04,898 --> 00:22:08,576 Rader had had his eye on several different projects, 335 00:22:08,735 --> 00:22:09,910 potential projects. 336 00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:12,654 He dressed up in tweed 337 00:22:12,748 --> 00:22:15,324 and, you know, nice shoes and a briefcase, 338 00:22:15,408 --> 00:22:17,501 which was his James Bond outfit 339 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:20,671 because he liked to think of himself as a spy. 340 00:22:22,424 --> 00:22:24,675 When he came to the first project, 341 00:22:24,834 --> 00:22:27,753 Project Green, he knocked on the door, 342 00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:29,671 and no one answered. 343 00:22:29,756 --> 00:22:32,841 And so he figured if one project didn't work out, 344 00:22:32,926 --> 00:22:34,602 there was another one down the street 345 00:22:34,761 --> 00:22:36,595 that he could try as well. 346 00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:40,024 He was dressed to kill. This is what he had in mind. 347 00:22:51,194 --> 00:22:54,538 Rader then moved on to a different project, 348 00:22:54,697 --> 00:22:58,700 Project Blackout, and again, no results. 349 00:22:58,785 --> 00:23:02,871 He did not want to let this day get wasted, in his mind. 350 00:23:02,964 --> 00:23:06,634 And so he saw a little boy, and he thought, 351 00:23:06,793 --> 00:23:08,710 "If there's a little boy here, 352 00:23:08,795 --> 00:23:10,888 he must have a mother at home." 353 00:25:50,123 --> 00:25:52,967 Anytime you have a survivor 354 00:25:53,126 --> 00:25:56,136 who was approached by an offender, 355 00:25:56,221 --> 00:26:00,716 you do learn more about his MO, his approach, 356 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,385 whether he was persistent or not. 357 00:26:03,469 --> 00:26:04,970 What kinds of things did he say? 358 00:26:05,063 --> 00:26:06,981 How did he pass himself off? 359 00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:10,484 Shirley had told the kids to calm down 360 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:15,573 because she did not know she was in for murder that day. 361 00:26:15,657 --> 00:26:16,898 She might've said to the-- 362 00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:18,317 "Keep screaming. Keep screaming. 363 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:19,743 The neighbors might hear you." 364 00:26:19,902 --> 00:26:22,162 She might've said that, except that he calmed her 365 00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:23,998 and assured her, "If you just do what I say, 366 00:26:24,157 --> 00:26:26,250 it'll be over and I'll leave." 367 00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:31,330 Dennis Rader was an unforgiving, 368 00:26:31,414 --> 00:26:34,258 unrelenting madman. 369 00:26:34,342 --> 00:26:39,004 And Steve, I've always felt very bad for him 370 00:26:39,088 --> 00:26:40,589 for what happened to him, 371 00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:43,684 because BTK just didn't kill his mother. 372 00:26:43,843 --> 00:26:46,687 BTK really killed him too. 373 00:27:14,374 --> 00:27:19,294 At Shirley Vian's home, there's no empathy whatsoever 374 00:27:19,379 --> 00:27:22,631 for the kids or even seeing them as human beings. 375 00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:26,885 Rader has a wife and a child at home, 376 00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:30,389 and yet he doesn't seem to have the same feelings 377 00:27:30,473 --> 00:27:32,900 about what these kids are going through 378 00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:35,394 as they're watching through this crack in the door 379 00:27:35,478 --> 00:27:38,980 as he's killing their mother. 380 00:27:39,065 --> 00:27:43,068 Having the children there in Shirley Vian's house, 381 00:27:43,152 --> 00:27:44,828 did that bother you at all? 382 00:28:04,674 --> 00:28:06,809 Weren't you worried about what might happen with them? 383 00:28:12,181 --> 00:28:15,100 Rader was barely even aware of them, 384 00:28:15,184 --> 00:28:19,271 which is exactly how the brain of a psychopath works. 385 00:28:19,355 --> 00:28:21,281 They're very goal-orientated, 386 00:28:21,441 --> 00:28:25,110 and they're just gonna keep going until they achieve it. 387 00:28:27,864 --> 00:28:29,373 After the Vian murder, 388 00:28:29,457 --> 00:28:32,534 BTK was back on the radar of a number of people at WPD. 389 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:35,454 Some officers speculated 390 00:28:35,538 --> 00:28:38,039 that Shirly Vian was a BTK victim 391 00:28:38,124 --> 00:28:40,718 because of the way she was tied. 392 00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:42,461 She was actually tied to the bed, 393 00:28:42,545 --> 00:28:44,963 not just tied up and placed on the bed. 394 00:28:45,047 --> 00:28:46,807 And there was some semen found 395 00:28:46,891 --> 00:28:49,551 in the immediate area of her body. 396 00:28:49,635 --> 00:28:51,553 Most of the cases, there was semen discovered 397 00:28:51,637 --> 00:28:54,565 either on or near the bodies, but it was not a rape. 398 00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:56,308 It wasn't discovered in the bodies. 399 00:29:14,076 --> 00:29:16,336 There's an odd thing about Dennis Rader 400 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,590 in that he never seems to recognize 401 00:29:19,674 --> 00:29:23,084 that murder is the worst thing you can do. 402 00:29:23,169 --> 00:29:28,089 So when he talks about raping, "too far," it's absurd 403 00:29:28,174 --> 00:29:32,177 because in his fantasies, he did rape them. 404 00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:37,024 Shirley was found with a bag over her head. 405 00:29:37,183 --> 00:29:40,769 And the fact that the bag was tied shut with a nightgown 406 00:29:40,853 --> 00:29:43,864 just seemed to ring of BTK. 407 00:29:45,274 --> 00:29:46,617 There were formal knots used, 408 00:29:46,776 --> 00:29:48,702 not just someone just making loops in a rope 409 00:29:48,861 --> 00:29:50,946 until it was secure. 410 00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:53,615 When you start looking at the symmetry of the tie 411 00:29:53,699 --> 00:29:56,210 and bindings, that's when the bizarre flavor 412 00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:59,204 of the sadomasochistic interaction 413 00:29:59,288 --> 00:30:01,298 with the victims was there. 414 00:30:01,457 --> 00:30:03,041 The bindings were not just for security, 415 00:30:03,134 --> 00:30:05,803 but they were for bondage gratification as well. 416 00:30:26,315 --> 00:30:28,233 Dennis Rader often experimented 417 00:30:28,317 --> 00:30:32,070 with different forms of binding and knots 418 00:30:32,154 --> 00:30:35,156 that allowed them to make certain movements 419 00:30:35,241 --> 00:30:37,325 or restrict them further. 420 00:30:37,410 --> 00:30:39,661 It's a part of the paraphilia. 421 00:30:39,745 --> 00:30:42,339 That was the feeling of power and control. 422 00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:45,250 And that was also a part of the fantasy. 423 00:30:47,086 --> 00:30:49,170 Dennis Rader would take artifacts, 424 00:30:49,264 --> 00:30:50,514 like a lot of serial killers do, 425 00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:52,015 from the crime scenes, 426 00:30:52,174 --> 00:30:54,935 and he would take items from his victims 427 00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:57,512 to dress in and use as articles 428 00:30:57,605 --> 00:31:00,774 in his autoerotic activities. 429 00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:04,027 We had a pretty good feeling if we find this guy, 430 00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:06,938 there'll be no doubt 'cause we'll find all his collection 431 00:31:07,023 --> 00:31:10,025 of things that he's stolen from these poor victims. 432 00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:16,039 Do you ever think when you're in that cell 433 00:31:16,198 --> 00:31:17,949 about the possibility that you could 434 00:31:18,034 --> 00:31:20,377 one day face a firing squad? 435 00:31:20,536 --> 00:31:22,537 They don't have firing squads in Colorado, 436 00:31:22,622 --> 00:31:23,797 and I don't think that... 437 00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:26,133 Rader idolized other serial killers 438 00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:29,961 and craved the recognition and attention they received. 439 00:31:30,046 --> 00:31:33,965 He wanted to be acknowledged as being like them. 440 00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:36,217 But Rader worried 441 00:31:36,302 --> 00:31:39,563 that Shirley Vian's kids had seen him. 442 00:31:39,722 --> 00:31:41,982 He wanted recognition for this crime, 443 00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:44,225 but he wanted to see what would happen, 444 00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:46,811 so he didn't immediately communicate with police 445 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:48,655 or the media. 446 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:52,701 How long had you been studying other serial killers? 447 00:32:01,410 --> 00:32:02,544 Harvey Glatman, yeah. 448 00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:10,669 Glatman was a serial killer from the '50s 449 00:32:10,753 --> 00:32:14,005 known as the Lonely Heart Killer. 450 00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:16,183 He posed as a professional photographer 451 00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:18,343 in California, Los Angeles. 452 00:32:18,427 --> 00:32:21,179 And he would lure his victims 453 00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,440 by promising them that he could open the doors 454 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,767 for a modeling career or profession. 455 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,278 He would get more sinister 456 00:32:28,437 --> 00:32:29,771 in the types of pictures he would take. 457 00:32:31,524 --> 00:32:34,192 So pictures of them in certain types of bondage, 458 00:32:34,285 --> 00:32:36,027 and eventually he'd take control of them. 459 00:32:36,112 --> 00:32:38,455 And in the pictures, you can see 460 00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:43,460 the female's reaction to the fear. 461 00:32:43,544 --> 00:32:47,956 Rader wanted to replicate that expression in his victims 462 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,883 where they would look at him, 463 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:54,963 recognize his complete power and control over them 464 00:32:55,047 --> 00:32:59,050 because it would make him feel dominant and powerful. 465 00:33:00,553 --> 00:33:03,063 Serial killers tend to keep killing, 466 00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:05,899 but after the murder of Shirley Vian, 467 00:33:06,058 --> 00:33:08,226 Rader would go quiet again 468 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:13,323 but only until he spotted the perfect victim. 469 00:33:18,654 --> 00:33:21,990 It's December of 1977. 470 00:33:22,074 --> 00:33:24,826 Rader has murdered six people. 471 00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:26,253 He's gotten away with it. 472 00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:28,672 He's feeling cocky. 473 00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:31,091 He's made mistakes. 474 00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:33,084 He's had close calls. 475 00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:36,254 He wants the next one to be just right. 476 00:33:38,933 --> 00:33:41,342 When he came to this street, 477 00:33:41,436 --> 00:33:43,603 he saw a young woman outside 478 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,598 who fit exactly what he was looking for. 479 00:33:46,682 --> 00:33:51,603 She was petite, young, blonde Nancy Fox. 480 00:33:51,696 --> 00:33:53,113 He stalked her. 481 00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:54,856 He went to where she worked. 482 00:33:54,949 --> 00:33:56,941 He wanted to get her routine 483 00:33:57,035 --> 00:34:00,445 so he knew when she'd be home and when she wouldn't. 484 00:34:00,529 --> 00:34:03,698 She had taken a second job during the Christmas season, 485 00:34:03,791 --> 00:34:05,283 and that was at the mall. 486 00:34:05,376 --> 00:34:07,210 He'd go in and act like he was gonna buy something, 487 00:34:07,369 --> 00:34:08,953 looking for gifts just to interact with her. 488 00:34:10,623 --> 00:34:13,884 On December 8, 1977, 489 00:34:13,968 --> 00:34:17,378 nine months after the murder of Shirley Vian, 490 00:34:17,463 --> 00:34:20,640 Dennis Rader came to Nancy Fox's house 491 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,300 for the final time. 492 00:34:23,969 --> 00:34:26,396 He had already broken in and was sitting inside 493 00:34:26,481 --> 00:34:27,722 when she walked through the door... 494 00:34:29,391 --> 00:34:30,901 When she realized he was sitting there, 495 00:34:30,985 --> 00:34:32,811 and she says, "What do you want?" 496 00:34:32,895 --> 00:34:35,230 And he told her that he was a-- 497 00:34:35,314 --> 00:34:37,824 He always used the word "strange dude." 498 00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:40,235 "I'm a strange dude. Gonna do some stuff with you. 499 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:42,487 If you cooperate, you'll be okay." 500 00:34:44,156 --> 00:34:47,334 She was upset, but he let her have a cigarette. 501 00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:49,410 They sat and talked for a while. 502 00:34:49,504 --> 00:34:51,663 At one point, she then said, 503 00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,582 "Let's get this over with so I can call the police." 504 00:34:56,677 --> 00:34:59,170 He learned that he needed to take control quickly, 505 00:34:59,255 --> 00:35:02,006 so he took her to the bedroom. 506 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:07,428 At this point, he begins to mentally torture her 507 00:35:07,513 --> 00:35:10,440 so that he can capture that terror on her face 508 00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:16,354 in exactly the way his adolescent fantasy had formed. 509 00:35:16,438 --> 00:35:20,742 You enjoy the look of fear on your victim's face? 510 00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:41,880 As he was sitting astraddle of her, 511 00:35:41,964 --> 00:35:43,473 he leaned over and whispered in her ear, 512 00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:45,717 "I'm BTK. I'm a bad dude." 513 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:49,479 That was the second scene where DNA was found-- 514 00:35:49,564 --> 00:35:52,473 Or the seminal stains that were eventually used for DNA 515 00:35:52,558 --> 00:35:54,151 was on one of her nightgowns 516 00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:56,153 that was on the head of her bed. 517 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:12,577 When he was telling us the story about killing Nancy Fox, 518 00:36:12,661 --> 00:36:18,008 he recalled with specificity the details of the murder-- 519 00:36:18,092 --> 00:36:22,086 Her pleas and her words and her fear. 520 00:36:22,171 --> 00:36:24,422 This man committed these things to memory, 521 00:36:24,506 --> 00:36:26,933 and he lived these things day after day 522 00:36:27,092 --> 00:36:29,010 in his fantasy world. 523 00:36:29,094 --> 00:36:30,678 Although he looked normal on the outside, 524 00:36:30,763 --> 00:36:32,680 it just gives you a glimpse of the monster 525 00:36:32,773 --> 00:36:34,349 that was living inside him. 526 00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:52,533 With Nancy Fox, having been in the house 527 00:36:52,627 --> 00:36:55,378 and seeing how very small it was, 528 00:36:55,537 --> 00:36:58,623 it was very clear that he had picked a place 529 00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:01,218 where he could easily keep total control 530 00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:05,972 over the situation, because his ultimate goal 531 00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:10,468 was to get her to the point where she felt helpless 532 00:37:10,552 --> 00:37:13,471 and there was no place for her to go. 533 00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:18,476 And that way, he could enjoy his ultimate fantasy. 534 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,646 Rader said Nancy Fox was his favorite case 535 00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:24,491 because everything went the way he had orchestrated it. 536 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:27,994 Now he wanted some acknowledgment 537 00:37:28,153 --> 00:37:31,239 that BTK had killed again, 538 00:37:31,323 --> 00:37:35,743 so he called it in and listened for the news. 539 00:37:35,828 --> 00:37:38,579 Because this is his special murder, 540 00:37:38,664 --> 00:37:41,758 he wants something associated with it 541 00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:46,671 that he can cut out of the newspaper and keep as a token. 542 00:37:48,924 --> 00:37:52,769 On a cold morning in December of 1977, 543 00:37:52,853 --> 00:37:55,179 a police dispatcher received an anonymous call. 544 00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:25,802 I have a homicide that occurred here 545 00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:27,462 at 843 South Pershing. 546 00:38:27,546 --> 00:38:31,891 We received a call about 8:20 from an individual 547 00:38:31,976 --> 00:38:34,552 that said there's a homicide and hung up the phone. 548 00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:37,564 And officers came out, and we have checked, 549 00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:41,568 and we do have a young lady that is a victim of homicide. 550 00:38:41,727 --> 00:38:43,227 Was she shot or stabbed? 551 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:46,147 No, she appears to have been strangled this time. 552 00:38:46,231 --> 00:38:47,648 The officers that I knew 553 00:38:47,733 --> 00:38:49,734 thought it was pretty arrogant of the killer to call. 554 00:39:09,671 --> 00:39:12,423 He made the call that had put him at risk 555 00:39:12,508 --> 00:39:15,518 in ways he hadn't anticipated. 556 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:18,513 There were definitely times when he expected to be caught, 557 00:39:18,597 --> 00:39:24,027 yet when he went uncaught, it just confirms for him 558 00:39:24,186 --> 00:39:26,521 there must be something special about him 559 00:39:26,605 --> 00:39:31,284 and it must be because he's smarter than the police. 560 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:33,453 He said that was the stupidest thing he ever did 561 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:35,288 was make that phone call because now 562 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:38,291 there was a vocal footprint of him 563 00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:40,627 that could give him away. 564 00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:44,547 It's been over three years since he left the letter 565 00:39:44,706 --> 00:39:47,708 at the library about the Otero murders. 566 00:39:47,793 --> 00:39:50,711 And now he's craving publicity. 567 00:39:50,796 --> 00:39:53,214 And he'd murdered twice more. 568 00:39:53,298 --> 00:39:55,058 But police still haven't revealed 569 00:39:55,142 --> 00:39:58,219 there's a serial killer in Wichita. 570 00:39:58,303 --> 00:40:00,814 This keeps them in control of the narrative 571 00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:03,641 and drives BTK to the media. 572 00:40:05,736 --> 00:40:09,989 I was on duty at KAKE as the chief photographer. 573 00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:12,659 The receptionist out front called back, 574 00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:14,244 and I took the call, and she said, 575 00:40:14,328 --> 00:40:15,987 "You know, I have an odd letter here." 576 00:40:16,071 --> 00:40:18,665 So I took a look at it, 577 00:40:18,749 --> 00:40:23,253 and it was a letter talking about Nancy Fox, 578 00:40:23,412 --> 00:40:25,746 detailing several different things. 579 00:40:25,831 --> 00:40:29,584 But the chilling moment in that letter was the line, 580 00:40:29,668 --> 00:40:32,762 "How many people do I have to kill 581 00:40:32,921 --> 00:40:35,840 "before I get my name in the paper? 582 00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:39,269 BTK." 583 00:40:39,353 --> 00:40:40,270 Executive producer Ron Loewen 584 00:40:40,354 --> 00:40:41,855 received the letter. 585 00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:43,356 He's with us today to give us the information. 586 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:44,932 Ron. 587 00:40:45,017 --> 00:40:46,276 Jack, the communication came in the form 588 00:40:46,435 --> 00:40:48,269 of a two-page typewritten letter 589 00:40:48,353 --> 00:40:50,771 addressed to KAKE channel 10. 590 00:40:50,856 --> 00:40:53,450 It was signed with the initials BTK. 591 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:57,195 BTK claims to have strangled a total of seven women-- 592 00:40:57,279 --> 00:40:59,539 Seven people, rather, mostly women. 593 00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,291 He provided a list of his victims 594 00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:02,876 beginning with the number five. 595 00:41:03,035 --> 00:41:04,535 During the newscast, 596 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:06,204 the police chief walks into the studio, 597 00:41:06,297 --> 00:41:08,214 takes a seat, 598 00:41:08,373 --> 00:41:11,459 and we cut to LaMunyon, 599 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:13,803 and LaMunyon picks up the story. 600 00:41:13,888 --> 00:41:16,964 BTK has killed seven people, Chief. 601 00:41:17,049 --> 00:41:19,217 What kind of leads do you have? 602 00:41:19,301 --> 00:41:23,387 Very honestly, we have no solid leads at all. 603 00:41:23,472 --> 00:41:25,306 We have a general lead. 604 00:41:25,399 --> 00:41:27,233 We have circumstantial evidence. 605 00:41:27,392 --> 00:41:28,976 We have absolutely nothing 606 00:41:29,061 --> 00:41:32,813 that will point us to any one particular individual. 607 00:41:32,907 --> 00:41:35,909 Chief LaMunyon made the decision 608 00:41:35,993 --> 00:41:39,579 that in fairness to the public, he needed to warn them 609 00:41:39,738 --> 00:41:43,157 that there was a serial killer afoot in Wichita after all. 610 00:41:43,242 --> 00:41:48,496 This guy is in our community, and he's killing our people. 611 00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:51,508 When they finally announced that there was a serial killer 612 00:41:51,592 --> 00:41:53,000 on the loose in Wichita, 613 00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:54,344 what was that like for you? 614 00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:11,194 Dennis Rader loved the idea that he was a serial killer. 615 00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:16,691 It was the hottest aspect of his identity. 616 00:42:16,784 --> 00:42:18,952 And his need for attention 617 00:42:19,036 --> 00:42:21,538 would ultimately be his downfall. 618 00:42:21,622 --> 00:42:24,457 The most important thing that everyone can do 619 00:42:24,616 --> 00:42:26,209 is certainly be aware 620 00:42:26,368 --> 00:42:28,286 that we do have a very serious problem. 621 00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:32,540 That was like an atomic bomb going off in the city. 622 00:42:32,624 --> 00:42:35,209 The whole city was turned upside down. 623 00:42:35,302 --> 00:42:37,220 There were 200,000 people here. 624 00:42:37,304 --> 00:42:39,380 It changed the lives of 200,000 people. 625 00:42:39,464 --> 00:42:41,808 You're dealing with a person who is perverted, 626 00:42:41,967 --> 00:42:43,050 a person that is sick. 627 00:42:43,135 --> 00:42:46,387 People were just terrified. 628 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,723 Question for Wichita back then 629 00:42:48,807 --> 00:42:50,808 is, how many more people are gonna die? 630 00:42:58,158 --> 00:42:59,659 People were frightened. 631 00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,152 That person is gonna kill again. 632 00:43:01,236 --> 00:43:02,495 When she turned to check on the baby, 633 00:43:02,654 --> 00:43:04,071 he pounced on her. 634 00:43:04,156 --> 00:43:06,240 There were a number of other young women 635 00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:08,209 who he was going to murder. 636 00:43:13,332 --> 00:43:16,500 The sexual arousal started to escalate. 637 00:43:18,003 --> 00:43:19,095 Rader really enjoyed 638 00:43:19,254 --> 00:43:21,431 this game with law enforcement. 639 00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:23,257 Taunting police. 640 00:43:23,342 --> 00:43:25,259 Who was gonna be the next victim? 641 00:43:25,344 --> 00:43:28,512 All of a sudden, BTK is back. 642 00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:36,187 Dennis Rader has gotten away with this 643 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,448 for 30 years. 644 00:43:38,532 --> 00:43:40,274 Eventually, he would slip up. 645 00:43:40,359 --> 00:43:42,368 I said, "We're gonna get this guy. 646 00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:44,028 I don't care what it takes." 49887

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