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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 This programme contains some violent scenes from the start and some strong language 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,720 2018 Fifa World Cup, ladies and gentlemen, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,520 - will be organised in Russia. - CHEERING 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,720 In 2018, Russia will host the Fifa World Cup. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,320 One of the biggest sporting events on the planet. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,720 We are eager to do our best to secure the comfort 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,960 and safety of our guests. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,720 President Putin has promised peace, love and harmony. 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,920 But at the European Championships in France, 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,360 we saw a different side of Russian football. 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,000 Russians, Russians. 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,800 So what can fans expect of the host country if they travel to Russia in 2018? 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,000 I'm going to Russia to meet the hooligans who hold the fate of 14 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,640 England fans in their hands. 15 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:14,400 Men who reject the negative image of the past to embrace a new identity. 16 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,720 A football culture where violence is celebrated. 17 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,440 I track down the men who terrorised Marseille. 18 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,080 And meet the next generation of hooligans as they train for the World Cup. 19 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,640 CHANTING 20 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Marseille, June 2016, 21 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,200 and the ugly face of English football is rearing its head again. 22 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Drunken England fans throwing bottles and trashing a foreign city. 23 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,400 Making it clear that Britannia still rules the waves. 24 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,400 I follow England away every time, yeah. 25 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Sometimes we get people come with England and they throw bottles. 26 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,200 They're not the best supporters. 27 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,680 Euro 2016 is becoming a depressing throwback to a hooliganism that many 28 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,920 people thought was a thing of the past. 29 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,400 But England fans, even those who weren't causing trouble, 30 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,560 were about to have much bigger problems than the French police. 31 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,120 After a couple of hours of drinking in the morning, 32 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,120 I'm just relaxing outside, my feet are up on the table in front of me, 33 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,360 I've got about four beers around me. 34 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,080 Then the Russians sort of appeared. 35 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,080 First thing I noticed was the noise. 36 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Just chanting. 37 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,840 They chanted together and they moved together. 38 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,400 It was... 39 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,200 It was like a military operation. 40 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,080 Russians, Russians. 41 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:57,680 The brutality of them. 42 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,960 It wasn't just, you knock someone over and they're down, that's it, 43 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,080 move on. 44 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,080 They were... 45 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,640 ..kicking and stamping. 46 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,480 What's me problem? We've just been attacked. 47 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,080 'There was crowds of people just shouting, 48 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,080 'trying to get away from it, really. 49 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,280 'They were attacking in little groups, like they'd been given 50 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:32,240 'numbers, or teams had been picked.' 51 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,880 I remember one guy that I seen in fairly close proximity, 52 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:43,160 missing a tooth, and his head was about the size of my shoulder width. 53 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Ten of us made it into this cafe. 54 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,720 And we could just see the... 55 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,560 The devastation that they were causing. 56 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,360 - Look at them, they've all got masks on. - Look at that outside, there. 57 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,800 Cowards. Cowards. 58 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,440 'It was terrifying. You just didn't know what to do. 59 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,160 'You could see groups running and charging, people running for their lives.' 60 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,360 - These are Russians, these ones. - Oh, yeah, yeah. 61 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,440 Look at him! They're kicking the shit out of that old boy. 62 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,800 That's when I knew that there was a chance that people could die, 63 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,880 because when you've got 10, 12 people onto one person, 64 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,120 you've got no chance. 65 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,960 There was people lying unconscious everywhere. 66 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,440 There was people staggering about with blood. 67 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:42,000 And that's when I noticed that there was a big guy. 68 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,080 You know, I could see that 69 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,800 he was... 70 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,160 He was in a mess. He was completely on his back. 71 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,120 I could see that his life was ticking away from him. 72 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,440 It was just an awful thing to see. 73 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,800 England fans Andrew Bache and Stewart Gray were beaten into a coma 74 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,080 and left for dead. 75 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,920 It was like a war scene. 76 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,920 The six that I went with, there was a guy who had served in Iraq. 77 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,240 He said he was more scared there than he ever was in war. 78 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,840 It was like they wanted to kill people. 79 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:28,680 They didn't just want to beat them up, they wanted to kill people. 80 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,800 They wanted to 81 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,960 inflict as much injury on these people as they possibly could. 82 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,280 I was going there to enjoy the sunshine, 83 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:47,840 and the bad beer and the beautiful French girls. 84 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:51,440 And the Russians were there to enjoy the England fans, 85 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,960 and to attack the England fans. 86 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,560 And it was as simple as that. 87 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,760 I think the most striking thing about the Russian hooligan groups 88 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,000 was that they were clearly very well organised, very sober. 89 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,280 It was a hard core of Russians who clearly spent a lot of time in 90 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,880 the gym working out, were very well built. 91 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:19,040 Suddenly, the antics of England fans seemed like small beer in the face 92 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,600 of the worst football violence ever witnessed at 93 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,640 an international tournament. 94 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,280 When the tear gas cleared, more than 100 England fans were injured. 95 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,120 30 ended up in hospital. 96 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,920 The lives of five hung in the balance for several days. 97 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,080 CHANTING 98 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,000 I've been observing football disorder since 1998, 99 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,560 involving English fans abroad, 100 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,240 and this was by far and away the worst I've ever seen in terms of the 101 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,760 numbers involved, in terms of the injuries. 102 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,400 It was a complete and utter breakdown of law and order 103 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,600 in Marseille. 104 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,640 For a while, the British press didn't know who to blame - 105 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,520 the England fans or the French police. 106 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,240 But the most lurid headlines were reserved for the Russians. 107 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,120 On Twitter, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament, Igor Lebedev, 108 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,920 congratulated the hooligans for defending their country's honour. 109 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,000 Vladimir Markin, a media spokesman for the police, 110 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,600 claimed that the French authorities failed to stop the fighting because 111 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,600 they were more used to policing Gay Pride. 112 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,960 It even fuelled rumours that the government of Vladimir Putin was 113 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,720 somehow linked to the hooligans. 114 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,240 Here, tabloid interest focused on one man in particular, 115 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,200 the alleged leader of the Russian hooligans in Marseille, 116 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,560 Vasily the Killer. 117 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,240 The star of online videos, 118 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,000 Vasily is a hero for Russian football hooligans. 119 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:59,720 With Russia hosting the World Cup in 2018, 120 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,160 what will men like him have in store for English fans heading to the 121 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,320 tournament? 122 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,640 It's four months since the violence in Marseille. 123 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,160 I've come to Moscow to track down some of the men responsible for the 124 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,920 trouble at Euro 2016, 125 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,080 and find out just what's behind this upsurge in Russian football violence. 126 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,800 After the events in Marseille, 127 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,600 the Russian organisers and the public know they have a problem to 128 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,880 deal with. 129 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,760 I'm heading to one of the stadiums that will be used for the World Cup, 130 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,000 the home of Spartak Moscow. 131 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:24,520 When Russia controversially won the competition to host world football's 132 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,680 premier event, President Putin promised a trouble-free tournament. 133 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:35,920 You can take my word for it, the 2018 World Cup in Russia will be up 134 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,840 to the highest standards. 135 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,280 The official bid presented an image of peaceful, multiracial harmony. 136 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,080 A vote for Russia is a vote for the future. 137 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,920 But on the ground, it doesn't feel that way. 138 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,640 It's derby day between Spartak and CSKA, 139 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,080 the two most successful Moscow teams. 140 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Mobile phone footage taken by a fan shows that fights have already 141 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,120 broken out on the Moscow underground. 142 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,440 Outside the stadium, I ask what the fans here thought about an influx 143 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,080 of England supporters for the World Cup. 144 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,360 There's a heavy police presence. 145 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Both clubs have extremely active hooligan firms. 146 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,160 It's time to head in. 147 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Posing as a tourist, I manage to get a camera inside. 148 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:09,840 The Spartak hooligans are based in the north tribune. 149 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,200 One of their leaders, the head of the Gladiators firm, 150 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,760 is the legendary Vasily the Killer, 151 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,800 the alleged mastermind of the hooligans in Marseille. 152 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,320 Someone I want to talk to. 153 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:31,320 I'm clearly in the right place. 154 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,600 In front of me, throwing Nazi salutes, 155 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,320 are the Spartak firm the Mad Butchers. 156 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,680 But so far, no sign of Vasily the Killer. 157 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,760 CHANTING 158 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,760 In Russian football grounds, the firms often have their own security, 159 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,440 and they're not overly keen on me filming. 160 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,640 One of them's busy, he's fine. 161 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,680 Finally, I spot the Killer himself. 162 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,320 The next challenge is to see if he'll speak to me. 163 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,200 We arrange to meet at a bar near the stadium. 164 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,480 For one of Russia's most notorious hooligans, 165 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,200 Vasily seems surprisingly willing to share his life story with me. 166 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,280 'I gently move the conversation to the events in Marseille.' 167 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,880 'So, who were the hooligans in Marseille?' 168 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,200 Don't ask about that? 169 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,960 'It seems this line of questioning is not so welcome.' 170 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,040 'Perhaps, not surprisingly, 171 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,560 'Vasily isn't willing to reveal the names of anyone who was in Marseille.' 172 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,720 'The interview is over.' 173 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,440 Vasily belongs to a generation that emerged in the 1990s after the 174 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,160 collapse of the Soviet Union. 175 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,160 New freedoms meant they looked West for their cultural inspiration, 176 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:36,040 in food, music, fashion and, of course, in football. 177 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,560 On the outskirts of Moscow, 178 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,480 I meet up with a group of former Russian hooligans. 179 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,000 They grew up idolising the English firms they saw on TV. 180 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,200 - CHANTING: - England! England! 181 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,920 English hooligan culture grew out of the 1970s and '80s, 182 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,160 when football stadiums were the scene of infamous riots. 183 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,560 'The worst violence erupted with the final whistle. 184 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,440 'Millwall fans invaded the pitch, 185 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,680 'ripping up seats and throwing them around.' 186 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,440 This culture revolved around casual fashion, 187 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,840 and organised fights away from stadiums. 188 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,200 Coming together to support the national team, 189 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,080 English firms spread terror around the world, 190 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,200 culminating in the mass brawls of Euro 2000 in Belgium. 191 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,640 The Russians looked on and were inspired, 192 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,200 causing violence to erupt in stadiums across the country. 193 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,120 Police versus fans, 194 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,520 it was the main battle. 195 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,120 Battle in the real meaning of this, of this word. 196 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,600 Going in '90s to the football stadium in Russia, 197 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,120 it was closely connected with some trouble, 198 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,200 because police didn't understand the problem. 199 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,520 With violence spreading throughout the game, 200 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,160 the Russian authorities decided enough was enough. 201 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,120 In 2000, they attempted to bring the hooligans under control. 202 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,640 Supporter groups were brought together under the umbrella of a state backed body. 203 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,440 It was called the All-Russian Fans Association, the ARFA. 204 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,240 The head of the organisation, Alexander Shprygin, 205 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,920 has been linked to Vladimir Putin's government. 206 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,320 He's also been accused of being a far-right activist. 207 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,280 I tracked him down to his office on the outskirts of Moscow to find out 208 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,000 about his organisation's involvement in the violence in Marseille. 209 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:26,960 Unfortunately for Shprygin, 210 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,760 it turned out many of the hooligans involved in the violence were flown 211 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,200 to France on his officially chartered flight. 212 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,760 Three board members of the ARFA were jailed in France for the Marseille 213 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,800 violence. One of them is serving two years. 214 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,280 Shprygin himself was deported, 215 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,920 and even now he can't conceal a certain pride in the prowess of his countrymen. 216 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,800 On his return, Shprygin was arrested and his offices raided. 217 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,720 His apparent connections to the government haven't helped him. 218 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,200 The ARFA has been shut down. 219 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,880 With the World Cup on the horizon, 220 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,960 the Russian authorities have realised that their officially connected 221 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,680 hooligans need to be dealt with. 222 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,680 - Finished. - Finished? - Finished. 223 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,080 I followed Dynamo Moscow to Yaroslavl, a small city north-east of Moscow. 224 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,160 You can see the signs of the new crackdown everywhere, 225 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,280 including leaflets handed out to fans promising dire consequences for 226 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,120 anyone stepping out of line. 227 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,640 It looks like Putin's government has now decided they've had enough of 228 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,040 football hooliganism. 229 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,640 But has the Russian man now developed such a taste for violence that they 230 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,000 can't be stopped? 231 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:29,520 Russian men have never had the best reputation. 232 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,040 They have some of the highest rates of alcohol consumption in the world. 233 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,840 Following the fall of the Soviet Union, the situation got worse, 234 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,840 with drinking and drink related violence becoming something of a 235 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,120 national crisis. 236 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,640 Life expectancy for men fell from 65 to 57 in just five years. 237 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,480 But something has begun to change. 238 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,160 President Vladimir Putin has encouraged the new image of Russian 239 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,480 masculinity, based around health, combat sports and patriotism. 240 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,720 Maxim Tatarinov is a professional boxer. 241 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,360 He's also a football hooligan, 242 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:27,720 picked out by one of Dynamo Moscow's main firms to fight with them. 243 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,640 Hooligans have begun training like Maxim, 244 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,200 embracing their new identity as a fighter. 245 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,320 Across Russia, young men are engaging in combat sports like boxing. 246 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,600 Maxim's new protege is 23-year-old Danila. 247 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,560 He's currently preparing for his third professional fight. 248 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,160 Danila's wife, Dasha, is grateful for his fighting skills. 249 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,960 Football hooligans like Maxim have become an inspiration for many young people. 250 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,160 And what happened in Marseille is a source of pride. 251 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,960 Online videos celebrate the hooligans' achievements in France 252 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,760 as a symbol of a resurgent Russian manhood. 253 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,960 The Russian government crackdown may be more difficult than they think. 254 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,560 I need to speak to some of those hooligans involved in Marseille to 255 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,480 find out if the same violent scenes will be repeated at the World Cup. 256 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,840 A few days after our meeting, I get a call from Vasily. 257 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,960 He's invited me to a five-a-side tournament, but with a difference. 258 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,880 All the teams represent hooligan firms from across Russia. 259 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,080 But with the police crackdown starting to bite, 260 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,320 people are nervous about appearing on camera. 261 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,240 When the active hooligans appear, Vasily is quick to warn me off. 262 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,760 No, no, no. 263 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,680 But he does have a suggestion to find some of the Marseille hooligans. 264 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360 This is the city of Oryol. 265 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,800 It's a pretty bleak place, 266 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,360 mostly flattened during the Second World War. 267 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,160 It's also the home town of one of Russia's celebrated leaders and heroes, 268 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,880 a feared murderer and rapist - Ivan the Terrible. 269 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,960 Oryol hasn't got much going for it. 270 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,720 Certainly not the football. 271 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,040 The local team is in the lower half of the Russian third division. 272 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,720 But their fans consider themselves very much in the Premier League. 273 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,520 The hooligan firm are known as the Orel Butchers. 274 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,120 It's hard to believe this lowly team can be the home of some of Russia's 275 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440 most violent fans. 276 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,640 But they are. 277 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,800 After the game, they agree to talk, 278 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,200 but only on the condition their identities are disguised. 279 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,600 Who are the Orel Butchers? What do you stand for? 280 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,800 It turns out the Butchers were at the centre of the violence in 281 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,560 Marseille, dressed in black T-shirts. 282 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,480 The Orel Butchers showed me a memento from their time in Marseille. 283 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,280 A souvenir from Euro 2016. 284 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,560 I ask if I can take the flag home with me. 285 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,960 I'm not sure I'll be taking them up on their offer, 286 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,320 but I wondered if they'd be looking to attack England fans again at the 287 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,440 World Cup. 288 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,720 I was told to speak to the man who led them in France, 289 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:44,760 a hooligan and semi-professional mixed martial arts fighter who asked 290 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,920 to be called Dennis. 291 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,720 I would say a lot of British guys went over to France, you know, 292 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,880 to have some fun, to shout around, to throw some glasses. 293 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,240 To chant the wonderful songs, and that's it. 294 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:07,240 And we were quite determined to go there and mess up with the British 295 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:11,680 guys, to see where our level is and what they are capable of. 296 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,360 There is some street fight tactics that we obviously exercised a lot of 297 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,120 times fighting in cities. 298 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,040 There's things you do, there's things you don't do. 299 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,400 And it's important, if you are engaged in a massive fight, 300 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,640 it's very important that you stick together as a group. 301 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,080 You go forward as a group, you go backward as a group, 302 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,080 you only move as a group. So this was, like, 303 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,680 a mistake that the British fans didn't realise they were doing. 304 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,680 They were always stranded. 305 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,840 CHANTING 306 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,000 It's like 200 professionals fighting 2,000 amateurs. 307 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,880 Even though they were heavily outnumbered, 308 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,840 by grouping together and attacking and retreating as a unit, 309 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,000 they inflicted devastating damage on any England fans unwise enough to 310 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,520 fight them, or unable to escape. 311 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,480 I can't say that they lacked the heart, 312 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,120 but obviously they lacked the skill. 313 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,400 We always were moving in and out as a group, 314 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,360 and this is what makes the difference. 315 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,480 And obviously the personal skill. 316 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,520 There is that video where that fat guy gets kicked in the face from two 317 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,120 sides. His guys left him. 318 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,400 We were coming from the market into the smaller street, 319 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,440 and these guys left him. 320 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,280 Let him down, you know? He was kind of getting in, 321 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,480 and they were supposed to push us backwards as well. 322 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,280 They were too afraid and they started running backwards, you know? 323 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,720 Many of the victims in Marseille were viciously attacked again after 324 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,440 they were knocked down. Something Dennis feels no remorse for. 325 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,080 I hit the guy in the head. 326 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,680 Like, if you can imagine a penalty kick. 327 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,080 I shot a good penalty. 328 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,240 Did he, did he get back up after that? 329 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,240 I hope so! 330 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,120 HE LAUGHS 331 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:37,120 Yeah. I must say, he was definitely knocked out, like, 332 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,400 badly. I must admit, 333 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,920 there's the first sad, there is, like, one British hooligan, 334 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,600 he was in coma. 335 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,960 I was thinking to myself, like, "Shit, I bet that's my guy." 336 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,920 Because I really, like, hit him properly on his head. 337 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,560 Are you proud of what you did? 338 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,800 What I like is that people don't think, 339 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,360 "Russians, oh, they're drinkers, they're wankers, they're whatever, 340 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,320 "they're like lazy bums, they are nothing, they are stupid". 341 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,800 Obviously, I like the fact that I'm Russian and people think, "Oh, 342 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,120 "these are like the tough guys." Why did we fight? 343 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,520 Why did we fight the English guys? 344 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,320 We were seeking honour, seeking pride in the fight. 345 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,480 What about 2018? 346 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,920 - Are you looking forward to the World Cup? - No. 347 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,360 Absolutely not. What most likely will happen, 348 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,160 they will just take down all leaders, 349 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,480 all people who are capable of organising anything, 350 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,840 and just lock them down. 351 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,040 Now if you speak about the guys from the older generation, 352 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,640 we all realise that for us, this will be, like, 353 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,560 a very, very hard year. 354 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,120 So British fans won't have anything to fear? 355 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,240 - HE LAUGHS - I don't know. 356 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,120 They can come over and we'll see. 357 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,400 I mean, somebody will obviously try to do something. 358 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,400 That is, like, 100%. 359 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,320 100% guaranteed. 360 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,640 How would you not get beaten up? 361 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,760 HE LAUGHS 362 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,160 How would you not get beaten up? 363 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,440 That's a good question. 364 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,200 Well, I don't know. Have family and children around you or, like, 365 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,400 something. I mean, if you are there with your friend, your male friend, 366 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,520 you should calculate with getting your ass kicked. 367 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,080 Dennis was adamant that someone would look to fight at the World Cup 368 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,880 in Russia. 369 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,560 Welcome on board. 370 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,120 If it wasn't going to be the older generation, 371 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,120 I wanted to see if a younger firm, off the police radar, would look to 372 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,360 make a statement. 373 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:03,480 This is Rostov-on-Don, 600 miles from Moscow. 374 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,000 It's a host city for the World Cup, 375 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,800 with a new stadium being built on the banks of the River Don. 376 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,160 Nearby in a local gym, 377 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,520 a young firm are also preparing for the tournament to begin. 378 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,480 They're often involved in prearranged brawls against rival firms. 379 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,080 They tell me they're auditioning for new members in a uniquely Russian way. 380 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,440 The wannabe hooligans have to head out of town into the woods and take 381 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,400 on a rival firm in no holds barred hand-to-hand combat. 382 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,000 They are known as forest fights. 383 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,760 Due to the police crackdown, 384 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,080 the location is kept on a strictly need-to-know basis. 385 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,080 Are there any rules to these forest fights? 386 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,760 It's a far cry from the images of drunken English football hooligans 387 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,760 singing Rule Britannia and throwing plastic chairs at the police. 388 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,040 It's the night before the forest fight, 389 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,400 and I've been invited along to spend some time with the firm. 390 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,240 At a sauna. 391 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,200 Over fruit, tea and freshly caught crayfish from the River Don, 392 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,640 the firm bond. 393 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,440 MUSIC PLAYS 394 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,720 THEY SING 395 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,360 It's the day of the fight. 396 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,240 The firm are worried about security. 397 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,720 On the outskirts of town, we pick up the group of hopefuls. 398 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,800 All of them are young, aged between 19 and 20. 399 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,440 19-year-old Artyom is one of those auditioning for the firm. 400 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:19,400 Are you scared of getting hurt? 401 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,200 Are all your friends fighters? 402 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,280 20 minutes outside of Rostov, 403 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,280 we arrive at a dead end leading to a muddy field. 404 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,480 Some of the older members of the firm I met in the sauna are here. 405 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,240 They will both coach and judge the newcomers. 406 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,160 I'm nervous, and unsure what to expect. 407 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,720 But I'm not the only one. 408 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:28,840 There's a mix of fear and excitement in the air as the new recruits go through their preparations. 409 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,360 For extra motivation, the leaders give them some advice. 410 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,760 If Artyom and the other fighters impress today, 411 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,680 they'll be presented with a pin badge or a T-shirt. 412 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,480 If they become a long-standing member, 413 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,120 they'll be allowed to get the firm's tattoo. 414 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,680 We've no clear idea who or what awaits at the end of the path. 415 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,800 SHOUTING 416 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,560 SHOUTING 417 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,160 In a clearing, I see the opposition. 418 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:05,920 THEY SHOUT 419 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,160 Seven young men from a town an hour away from Rostov. 420 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,080 THEY SHOUT 421 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,440 SHOUTING 422 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,200 Artyom gets thrown to the ground, but he doesn't give up. 423 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,040 Looking round, I can understand why the authorities want to stop these fights. 424 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:31,120 In front of me, one of the opposition is being repeatedly kicked in the head. 425 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,120 Someone could be seriously hurt. 426 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,680 SCREAMING 427 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,960 Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! 428 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,120 MOANING 429 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,960 APPLAUSE 430 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,160 I'm in shock at what I've witnessed. 431 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,240 And surprised and relieved there are no serious injuries. 432 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,320 - You OK? - Yeah, yeah. - You OK? 433 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,400 Are these guys OK? I just want to check that they're OK. 434 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,160 You OK? 435 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,760 - You all right? - OK, OK, OK. 436 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,600 Fine, fine. 437 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,480 Walking back to the Rostov firm, 438 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,040 I wonder if they will have escaped unharmed. 439 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,320 Let me look at your hand. 440 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,560 'Despite being thrown to the ground early on, 441 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,200 'Artyom has escaped relatively untouched. 442 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,160 'But having been unable to showcase his skills, he's disappointed.' 443 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,120 The leaders are matter-of-fact in their analysis. 444 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,800 He'll have to go through it all again if he's to become a member of the firm. 445 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,000 Having seen what it takes to become a member of their hooligan firm, 446 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,880 I wonder why anyone would want to do it. 447 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,240 But these forest fights aren't just restricted to Rostov. 448 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,640 They take place all across Russia. 449 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,040 And aren't just for new members hoping to audition. 450 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,120 Police crackdowns mean fights that used to happen in town centres 451 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,040 now happen in the countryside... 452 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,160 ..involving sickening levels of violence, 453 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,400 with groups of up to 200 or more. 454 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,440 The young Russian men I've met seem desensitised to the casual brutality 455 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,840 of these fights. 456 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:06,200 The 2018 World Cup in Russia will attract fans from around the world. 457 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,040 But there's a question as to whether Russia will get the happy and 458 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,720 harmonious tournament they hope for... 459 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,360 - ALL: - Welcome to Russia! 460 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,200 ..and whether the police can contain the hooligans. 461 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,280 One thing's for sure - 462 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,120 the reverence held for England fans will always make them a target. 463 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,040 Here on the banks of the River Don, 464 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,040 in sight of the new 45,000-seater Rostov Arena, 465 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,400 the locals are patiently waiting for the tournament to begin. 37737

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