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We learned overnight
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that at least three
U. S. Special Forces
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were killed in an ambush in
the African country of Niger.
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Officials say
a joint U. S. Nigerien patrol
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was ambushed by suspected
Islamic militants
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near the Mali border.
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The names
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of the American
Special Forces soldiers
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is being withheld,
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subject
to next-of-kin notifications.
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You must not draw
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until that clock makes the
first chime of the hour.
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Once that happens, you may fire
at your convenience.
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I was sitting here
watching TV.
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It was like 10:30 at night,
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and somebody knocked
on the door.
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I didn't know who it was,
so I got up
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and I went to the door
and I opened the door.
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And I want to say it was
a captain and a master sergeant.
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They were in dress blues,
and I knew.
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I just said, "No, no, no."
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I mean, I just knew because
they don't show up
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at 10:30 at night
unless he's dead.
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"Attached for your review
and action,
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this US-AFRICOM's completed
investigation conducted..."
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"...pursuant
to Army Regulation 15.6..."
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"...and to the facts and
circumstances surrounding..."
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"...the enemy contact event
that occurred..."
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"...on 4 October 2017..."
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"...in Tongo Tongo, Niger."
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My first thought was
"What the hell happened?"
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And it was like
I got shot or something.
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I mean, it was like my insides
just went empty.
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I almost fell down.
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The master sergeant, he said,
"You're number one on the list.
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Number two is Will."
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And so I came to Will's house.
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At about 11:30 that night,
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two officers showed up,
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and, uh, they told me,
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"On behalf of a grateful nation,
we regret to inform you
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that your brother
has been killed in action."
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And then Will drove
all the way to Brunswick,
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which is about 90 miles away,
to tell Dustin's mom.
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It was the worst day
of my life.
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Opening that door
and seeing Will
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and Mandy and my mom
and my sister standing there.
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And in that instant,
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I knew that something was wrong.
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But it took me a minute
to get it.
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It really took me a minute.
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All I can say is, "No."
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"No."
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Tonight,
we are getting no details
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beyond this statement
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that U. S. Forces have come
under hostile fire
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in this area of southwest Niger
near the border with Mali.
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They are not offering
any other details.
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We will stay on this story...
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I had come home from work
and sat down in the living room,
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kind of do, you know, the little
relaxing kind of thing
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and check the news.
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And while I was on my phone,
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a little news alert popped in
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that there was an incident that,
um, had just happened in Nigeria
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along the Mali border.
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And it was like, "Uh-oh,"
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and that got my...
My, uh, attention
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and, uh,
I had a real bad feeling.
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Karen called me at work.
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She said that something
had happened in Niger.
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And I said, "Okay,"
and, uh, hung up.
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I went to a friend
of mine there.
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I said, "Hey, my son's deployed,
and we heard about something.
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Pray for my son."
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And then Karen called me
at whatever time it was
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to say that she had gotten,
uh, the knock on the door.
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There's nothing really to say.
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I mean, at that point,
it's shock.
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You just...
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I don't really even
remember reaction.
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I couldn't leave
till the next morning,
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and so I spent, uh,
just a grief-filled...
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grief-filled night.
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Just... just unimaginable...
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thoughts.
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The three
Green Berets who were killed
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and the two wounded
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were on a patrol
with the Niger soldiers
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when they were ambushed.
It is not clear...
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The American soldiers
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were part
of a Green Beret battalion
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called the Bush Hawks,
assigned to train
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and assist the Nigerien army
in fighting terror.
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Did the biscuits get in?
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Two piece, dirty rice,
mac and cheese.
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I was at work.
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Morning was going normal
and somebody turned around
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and said, "Debbie,
your husband's here."
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And I went, "No, he's not.
He's in Texas."
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Okay.
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Somebody else said, "No, Deb,
your husband's here."
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I turned around and saw him
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and my mother's health
isn't that good.
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So I looked at him
and I thought,
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"He's only home
if it's my mother or my son."
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And this may sound terrible,
but I was thinking,
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"God, let it be my mother."
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And as I got closer to him,
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I could tell by the look
on his face,
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it wasn't my mother.
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I told him he was lying to me.
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That couldn't be Jeremiah.
He was too good.
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There had to be a mistake.
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My dad called me,
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and he was like,
"Hey, babe, where you at?"
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I said, "Oh, I'm out.
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I'm doing some errands
for auntie really fast.
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What happened?"
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He said, "Because the Army
people at the house for you."
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I said, "What?"
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He said, "The Army people
at the house for you."
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I said, "Okay, I'm coming right
now. I'm coming right now."
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We get there.
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They tell me, um...
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that they was
in, um, a rapid gunfight.
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And as of October 4th,
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Sergeant La David Johnson's
whereabouts is unknown.
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I asked him, I said,
"What you mean 'unknown'
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Like, you can't find him,
you don't know where he at?"
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They told me, "No."
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After that, I couldn't eat,
I couldn't sleep,
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I couldn't do anything,
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I'm just sitting here
wondering about,
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"Where is my husband?"
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"They gonna find him."
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That's what I'm saying
to myself.
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They gonna find him.
They gonna find him.
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Then I get a call
saying that, um,
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they have an American soldier
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and they are willing
to do a trade
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or something like that.
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- For who?
- They didn't say for who.
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They just said they willing
to do a trade.
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In my mind, they still
didn't find my husband.
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I don't know what's going on.
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So any little thing
that somebody tells me,
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I'm thinking,
"Could this be my husband?
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Could this be my husband?"
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If I can go back
and figure out
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who gave them that first report,
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I'd fucking choke the shit
out of them.
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I mean, it's just...
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It's egregious
that somebody would share
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that unconfirmed report
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with them and...
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Unconscionable that the family
would be given
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conflicting statements.
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I didn't hear anything else
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until my casualty
assistance officer
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came to my home October 6th.
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And he told me,
as of October 6th,
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Sergeant Johnson went
from missing in action to KIA.
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Everybody went bananas.
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I was screaming and crying.
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My mother-in-law
was throwing, um, glasses
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and screaming and crying.
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She falling on the floor,
just throwing things.
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Aunt Rachel
used to always say,
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Lord, please take her before
you take one of her children
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because she's gonna go insane.
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October 6, 2017,
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was the day
I think I went insane.
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The Pentagon's Africa Command
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does not know for sure
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if this American soldier
was wounded
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and alive on the battlefield
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and if he was even, for a brief
time, in ISIS hands.
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Did that phone call,
the memory of that,
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sort of leave you
with lingering doubt
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about whether La David
was captured?
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And today,
do you think he was captured
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or have you been convinced
that he died fighting?
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At that moment, yes,
I believed that...
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I felt that my husband
was captured.
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This is a serious incident.
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Very little information
being publicly offered
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by the U. S. Military.
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It was a very frustrating time
for me
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and I think for everybody
in the Pentagon
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to not have a clear
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and really, um...
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...we felt accurate description
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of what had transpired
on the ground.
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I served 28 years on active duty
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as an Army Special Forces
officer
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and most recently served
as a senior civilian executive
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in the Office
of Secretary of Defense.
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I was recognized for my actions
during the 4-day battle
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to retake the fortress
at Qala-I-Jangi...
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...which had been seized
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by 600 Al Qaeda
and Taliban prisoners.
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I received
the Distinguished Service Cross.
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On October 4, 2017,
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I was the acting
Assistant Secretary
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for Special Operations.
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I think there were
multiple factors
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that contributed
to the, um, inability
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to get a complete picture
early on.
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First of all, the fog of war
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certainly contributes
at the tactical level,
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but there seemed to be
a reluctance
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to share the full scope
of everything that was going on.
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The week ended
the same way it began...
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With questions
about why President Trump
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still hasn't addressed
the ambush in Niger.
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Thank you all very much.
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The Pentagon has
launched a full investigation.
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FBI agents on the ground
in Niger to assist.
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In a rare moment today,
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the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs, General Joseph Dunford,
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coming before the cameras
after the President today
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would not answer questions
sent his way.
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I think first and foremost,
in this particular case,
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we owe the families as much
information as we can find out
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about what happened.
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On the Hill,
frustration is growing.
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Members of Congress
are now asking
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whether this was a failure
of intelligence or preparation.
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Even if there were mistakes,
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if there were mistakes
from the team
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or there were mistakes
in the chain of command,
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the families deserve the truth.
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I mean, I think that's truly
the heart of the issue here.
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The families deserve the facts
of what happened.
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We asked,
"What exactly went wrong?
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Why did these four men
lose their lives?"
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And no one would
give us an answer.
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I spent years
investigating
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the friendly-fire death in Iraq
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of Private First Class
David H. Sharrett II
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with his dad, Dave Sharrett Sr.,
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who was my high school
English teacher.
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In 2018,
Dave and his wife, Vicki,
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went down to a retreat
in Tennessee
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for families
of fallen service members,
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and they met Ray
and Debbie Gannon,
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who approached them and said,
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"Our son was killed
a few months ago in Niger.
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We don't think the Army
is leveling with us.
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We don't know what to do."
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So, Dave said, "Talk
to my former student James."
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And he put them
on the phone with me.
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And we talked and I told them
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that I had had concerns
since the incident
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in Tongo Tongo happened
that the full truth
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was not being told
to the American public.
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And so I promised Jeremiah
Johnson's mother, Debbie Gannon,
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that I would not rest
until I knew what was knowable.
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Thank you for joining us today
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in remembrance
of our fallen brothers.
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My name is Colonel Brad Moses.
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I'm the 3rd group commander.
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On 4 October, Team Quallam
and their Nigerien partners
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were attacked by an enemy
that didn't want them
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to make this small spot
in the world a better place.
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When did you first feel
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like there was something wrong
with the story?
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Or when was the first moment
when you were like,
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"Whoa, wait a minute"?
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When Colonel Moses came in,
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and from the time
he starts talking,
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it just seemed to me
everything was a lie.
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Because I had already
had someone already came
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and spoke to me
about another story.
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So I'm thinking when he came,
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it was gonna be exact
same story that I heard before,
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but it was totally the opposite.
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Colonel Moses told me
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that La David
was in the back of the truck.
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The truck hit the tree.
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And La David... He said
that La David flew 900 meters
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and wind up in the bushes.
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Yes.
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So I looked at him
and I told him,
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"You must think I'm really...
I'm really crazy
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to believe a story like that."
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Just stuff that they said
didn't add up at all.
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Everybody came telling me
different things.
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First day, um, Moses came
to my auntie house,
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sat on a couch saying
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that my husband, um, was
on the back of the truck
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shooting a machine rifle.
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They hit a tree.
He flew off.
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Then he say he was
the one driving the truck.
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So which one was it?
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Did he hit the tree and flew off
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or was he driving the truck?
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Everybody was just
saying anything
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because they know that mission
went horribly wrong.
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And it was gonna be a lot of
fingers to point and to blame.
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The ODA caught
in a near ambush,
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made a decision to plant
their feet and fight.
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Colonel Moses refused
to do an on-camera interview,
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but he denied to me on the phone
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that he ever
gave conflicting information
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to the Johnson family
regarding La David's death.
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However, the first
and most consistent thing
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I was told
by all the family members
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was that they, too,
had received dubious
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or conflicting information
from the military.
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The immediate report
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was that
he had been killed in combat
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and it had been by mortar fire.
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Mortar fire was the explanation
for his death.
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I didn't have any reason
to think otherwise,
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but I viewed his body.
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I served for seven years
and saw my share.
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And what a mortar does
to the human body...
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Shrapnel and fire...
Is a lot different
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and is much more graphic
and... and sinister
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than small-arms fire.
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And he was not charred flesh.
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He was a man who had stood
his ground and fallen
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by small-arms-fire bullets
riddling his body.
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So the autopsy report was where
it really started clicking
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that something didn't add up.
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I had a gut feeling
when I heard all this
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from the very beginning
that something wasn't right.
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I had already been
somewhat speaking with, uh...
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Dustin's family,
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and what they were being told
and what we were being told
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were two different things.
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And I'm thinking, "Well, Dustin
and Jeremiah were side by side,
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so there can't be
different stories."
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And that's when I'm going,
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"Now I know
we're being lied to."
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And that's the only damn thing
I asked him to do
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from the very beginning.
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Just tell me the truth.
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Everybody knows Afghanistan.
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Everybody knows Syria.
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Everybody knows those places.
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They don't know about
Niger, Africa.
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I didn't realize that...
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we even needed troops there.
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I never thought
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there was anything
going on over there.
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Absolutely nothing.
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Never heard it on the news,
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00:20:09,632 --> 00:20:12,802
never saw anything
that was going on over there.
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00:20:14,202 --> 00:20:16,532
Had no idea
we had troops over there.
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I used to always tell him,
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"Make sure you stay alert.
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You know, don't let
your guard down with nothing."
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And he reassure me.
He was like,
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"No, My, it's not
nothing like that.
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You know, we're just
going over here to train
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the African soldiers
and stuff like that."
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And I ain't think nothing
about ISIS
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and stuff over there
coming to get him.
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00:20:38,462 --> 00:20:40,632
No. That was the least
of my worries.
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Having been in Iraq
and Afghanistan previously,
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00:20:53,402 --> 00:20:56,108
there's just
a different mindset in Niger.
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But I would never fool myself
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and think nothing could happen
in West Africa.
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We know why we were there.
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I joined the Army because
I wanted to serve others.
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I wanted to make a difference
in the world.
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I do not come
from a military family.
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00:21:14,932 --> 00:21:17,408
I think most of
my military influence
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came from too many movies
as a child,
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probably watched "Rambo"
one too many times.
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And I'm not afraid
to admit that.
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As a Special Forces
Detachment Commander,
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when I was a captain
leading a 12-man team
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in both eastern Afghanistan
and southern Afghanistan,
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we saw quite a bit of combat.
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In Niger,
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I was the advanced operations
base Niger commander.
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We were partnered
with Nigerien forces.
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We were there to work with them
because there was a very real
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and active threat in West Africa
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in the form of both
Al Qaeda affiliates
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and Islamic State affiliates,
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not to mention some other ones,
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kind of an alphabet soup
of threat forces out there.
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The biggest problem now
is this area
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near the Malian border.
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These guys are very mobile.
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They move on motorcycles,
land cruisers.
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Any time we have
an encounter with them,
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we will just try to
and then cross the border.
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In normal time, you don't see
them in large group.
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So just like scattered
in villages, you know,
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they have those small camps
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that only will group
to conduct an attack.
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Surprise to us, we still
can't get towards the enemy.
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00:22:49,702 --> 00:22:51,208
Let's go to Quallam.
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00:22:51,232 --> 00:22:52,778
Yeah.
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00:22:52,802 --> 00:22:56,078
Stabilizing this part
of the world
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00:22:56,102 --> 00:23:00,638
is part of the overall
global, like, uh,
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00:23:00,662 --> 00:23:03,632
fight against, uh, evil.
404
00:23:08,802 --> 00:23:11,478
This environment
in Africa is no joke.
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00:23:11,502 --> 00:23:15,208
It is just like Afghanistan,
just like Syria, just like Iraq,
406
00:23:15,232 --> 00:23:17,638
but it doesn't get
the resourcing
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00:23:17,662 --> 00:23:20,838
because it's not
a combat environment, right?
408
00:23:20,862 --> 00:23:23,638
But it is a combat environment.
409
00:23:23,662 --> 00:23:26,038
And so stop putting lipstick
on the pig.
410
00:23:26,062 --> 00:23:27,862
It is what it is.
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00:23:30,102 --> 00:23:31,738
Most foreign fighters
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00:23:31,762 --> 00:23:33,678
that joined the fight
in Afghanistan,
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00:23:33,702 --> 00:23:36,778
Iraq, and Syria and other places
come from North Africa.
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00:23:36,802 --> 00:23:40,378
They're all now
starting to come back.
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00:23:40,402 --> 00:23:44,708
Most of the designated
what they call terrorist groups,
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00:23:44,732 --> 00:23:49,262
um, by the State Department
reside in Africa.
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00:24:56,062 --> 00:24:57,009
Alright,
so we're getting ready
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00:24:57,033 --> 00:24:59,078
to fly out to see Team Quallam.
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00:24:59,102 --> 00:25:00,238
This will be
my first time out
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00:25:00,262 --> 00:25:04,108
to see the guys
since we've gotten here.
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00:25:04,132 --> 00:25:06,608
People are familiar
with the show "The A-Team."
422
00:25:06,632 --> 00:25:08,978
"The A-Team" is modeled
off of an ODA,
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00:25:09,002 --> 00:25:10,838
an Operational Detachment Alpha,
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00:25:10,862 --> 00:25:13,562
a 12-man Special Forces team.
425
00:25:15,262 --> 00:25:17,178
As a major in Special Forces,
426
00:25:17,202 --> 00:25:20,878
my ODAs included ODA 3212.
427
00:25:20,902 --> 00:25:22,608
I'm coming to check out
the barbershop.
428
00:25:22,632 --> 00:25:25,008
I heard good things.
429
00:25:25,032 --> 00:25:26,878
Who's next?
430
00:25:26,902 --> 00:25:28,308
- You, sir.
- I'm good.
431
00:25:28,332 --> 00:25:30,208
I got mine in the capital
the other day.
432
00:25:30,232 --> 00:25:32,878
La David Johnson
stood out to me
433
00:25:32,902 --> 00:25:35,478
as the soldier's soldier.
434
00:25:35,502 --> 00:25:37,538
He...
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00:25:37,562 --> 00:25:39,738
He like... like
all good mechanics,
436
00:25:39,762 --> 00:25:41,308
he was the jack-of-all-trades.
437
00:25:41,332 --> 00:25:42,908
He could fix anything.
438
00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:44,608
When you're not cutting hair,
439
00:25:44,632 --> 00:25:47,538
what are your other, uh,
camp duties around here?
440
00:25:47,562 --> 00:25:50,108
Finding stuff to do, like
make sure my truck's good,
441
00:25:50,132 --> 00:25:51,778
making sure my generator's good,
442
00:25:51,802 --> 00:25:54,362
like regular maintenance
on the daily.
443
00:25:56,132 --> 00:25:57,778
Hey. Hey.
444
00:25:57,802 --> 00:25:59,238
There you go.
There you go.
445
00:25:59,262 --> 00:26:01,108
Hey!
446
00:26:01,132 --> 00:26:05,008
La David was
a kind-hearted person
447
00:26:05,032 --> 00:26:06,678
who would give you
the shirt off his back
448
00:26:06,702 --> 00:26:08,708
in a rainstorm.
449
00:26:08,732 --> 00:26:10,732
He would help
anybody who needed it.
450
00:26:14,562 --> 00:26:17,508
Sergeant
La David Johnson's mom passed
451
00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:19,778
when he was 5 years old.
452
00:26:19,802 --> 00:26:23,408
I am his auntie,
I'm married to his uncle,
453
00:26:23,432 --> 00:26:26,732
which made me become
his auntie/mom.
454
00:26:29,032 --> 00:26:31,508
Yeah, I'm his uncle,
you know what I mean?
455
00:26:31,532 --> 00:26:34,938
But I raised him as my son.
456
00:26:34,962 --> 00:26:37,278
He was always a spiritual kid,
457
00:26:37,302 --> 00:26:40,138
and he always told us,
we need to be more grateful.
458
00:26:40,162 --> 00:26:43,238
He always said
that we more blessed
459
00:26:43,262 --> 00:26:46,478
than a lot of people
that we don't see.
460
00:26:46,502 --> 00:26:50,038
He was sweet, he was kind,
and he always was creative.
461
00:26:50,062 --> 00:26:51,938
He always found something to do.
462
00:26:51,962 --> 00:26:55,408
He never was a kid
just sit in the house.
463
00:26:55,432 --> 00:26:58,602
Like kids nowadays... never.
464
00:27:03,202 --> 00:27:04,538
They call him the Wheelie King
465
00:27:04,562 --> 00:27:06,008
because down here in Miami,
466
00:27:06,032 --> 00:27:08,602
he's known for riding his bike
with one wheel.
467
00:27:10,832 --> 00:27:12,938
His name is La David Johnson.
468
00:27:12,962 --> 00:27:15,178
He rides from his home
in Miami Gardens
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00:27:15,202 --> 00:27:18,102
to his job in Pembroke Pines
on one wheel.
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00:27:19,532 --> 00:27:22,078
He even was on the news for it.
471
00:27:22,102 --> 00:27:24,708
So he was very known
in our city.
472
00:27:24,732 --> 00:27:26,278
My homie,
he do a catwalk
473
00:27:26,302 --> 00:27:29,578
from here to West Broward
with no wheel on the front.
474
00:27:29,602 --> 00:27:32,002
That's crazy, man.
475
00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:35,738
We love you, David.
476
00:27:35,762 --> 00:27:37,832
Love y'all, too, man.
477
00:27:41,362 --> 00:27:43,008
Our block,
we had a good block,
478
00:27:43,032 --> 00:27:45,662
but around us,
it was a lot of killing.
479
00:27:47,562 --> 00:27:49,978
And I think that he thought
maybe if he get out,
480
00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:53,278
he could have
a better life for himself.
481
00:27:53,302 --> 00:27:57,578
He see me grind it out
all my life.
482
00:27:57,602 --> 00:28:01,538
And he was just saying,
"There got to be a better way."
483
00:28:01,562 --> 00:28:04,908
I would ask him, "Why you don't
try and go to the military?"
484
00:28:04,932 --> 00:28:06,808
He'd be like, "I've been
thinking about that."
485
00:28:06,832 --> 00:28:09,032
I was like, "You should go."
486
00:28:16,332 --> 00:28:19,908
A community coming
together to honor a local hero.
487
00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:24,078
Today Puyallup remembers
Staff Sergeant Bryan Black.
488
00:28:24,102 --> 00:28:27,038
Black graduated from
Puyallup High School in 2000
489
00:28:27,062 --> 00:28:29,538
and enlisted nine years later.
490
00:28:29,562 --> 00:28:31,208
He spoke several languages,
491
00:28:31,232 --> 00:28:33,608
including the one spoken
in Niger,
492
00:28:33,632 --> 00:28:36,638
where he often tended
to injured civilians.
493
00:28:36,662 --> 00:28:38,308
A man they say...
494
00:28:38,332 --> 00:28:42,138
Bryan Black, one of
the smartest man I've ever met.
495
00:28:42,162 --> 00:28:44,778
Extremely cerebral.
496
00:28:44,802 --> 00:28:46,978
There's always something
on his mind.
497
00:28:47,002 --> 00:28:51,308
But he was so cool and calm
498
00:28:51,332 --> 00:28:54,408
that he knew
just when to speak his mind.
499
00:28:54,432 --> 00:28:58,362
And when he did,
you knew you were wrong.
500
00:29:00,662 --> 00:29:04,908
I knew something was
different the day he was born.
501
00:29:04,932 --> 00:29:07,578
When I held him right
after he was born,
502
00:29:07,602 --> 00:29:09,438
he immediately pushed up
against me
503
00:29:09,462 --> 00:29:11,538
and did his first push-up
504
00:29:11,562 --> 00:29:13,708
and literally
looked around the room.
505
00:29:13,732 --> 00:29:16,008
And it's like, "Infants
that just were born
506
00:29:16,032 --> 00:29:18,738
don't do that."
507
00:29:18,762 --> 00:29:21,638
And that pretty much
is what persisted
508
00:29:21,662 --> 00:29:23,838
throughout his entire childhood.
509
00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:27,708
Always having
the strong determination
510
00:29:27,732 --> 00:29:30,362
to do whatever it is
he wanted to do.
511
00:29:33,002 --> 00:29:36,208
I remember the first year
when he was playing chess.
512
00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:38,808
He didn't win many, uh, games
that year.
513
00:29:38,832 --> 00:29:40,108
And I remember...
514
00:29:40,132 --> 00:29:42,108
It may have been the last
tournament of the season...
515
00:29:42,132 --> 00:29:43,378
And he went out
in the parking lot.
516
00:29:43,402 --> 00:29:45,938
He sat on a curb
and he was really mad.
517
00:29:45,962 --> 00:29:47,708
And I went and talked to him,
sat down.
518
00:29:47,732 --> 00:29:50,208
I said, "Look,
if you study and work at it,
519
00:29:50,232 --> 00:29:51,378
you're gonna be good."
520
00:29:51,402 --> 00:29:52,808
And he did the whole summer
and next year,
521
00:29:52,832 --> 00:29:56,132
he, uh, won just about every
chess tournament he played in.
522
00:30:12,202 --> 00:30:13,838
Jeremiah Johnson was
a new member of the team
523
00:30:13,862 --> 00:30:17,732
and had previously been
at my company headquarters.
524
00:30:19,402 --> 00:30:22,662
He had the instincts
of the perfect soldier.
525
00:30:24,902 --> 00:30:28,378
He was just about like
any other little boy,
526
00:30:28,402 --> 00:30:31,608
outside running around
all the time.
527
00:30:31,632 --> 00:30:34,808
He broke a couple of bones
and didn't even whine about it.
528
00:30:34,832 --> 00:30:37,662
He'd just come home
and go, "This hurts."
529
00:30:39,502 --> 00:30:43,108
Jeremiah
was the fucking badass.
530
00:30:43,132 --> 00:30:46,078
There's just no other way
around that.
531
00:30:46,102 --> 00:30:48,408
He was just a badass.
532
00:30:48,432 --> 00:30:50,462
He was scared of nothing.
533
00:30:54,562 --> 00:30:59,008
Growing up, he was a pain
in the butt,
534
00:30:59,032 --> 00:31:01,332
but he was also a hero
and a protector.
535
00:31:05,532 --> 00:31:07,938
You know, military kids,
you move around,
536
00:31:07,962 --> 00:31:11,608
people would pick on us,
and he would always defend me.
537
00:31:11,632 --> 00:31:14,438
Being younger... three,
almost three years younger...
538
00:31:14,462 --> 00:31:17,738
He would still defend me.
539
00:31:17,762 --> 00:31:21,808
When we first met,
Jeremiah was about 16.
540
00:31:21,832 --> 00:31:26,408
And, you know, we got together
and I told him
541
00:31:26,432 --> 00:31:29,278
I was... I was gonna ask
his mother to marry me.
542
00:31:29,302 --> 00:31:31,538
And, uh, he said,
543
00:31:31,562 --> 00:31:35,108
"Well, you know, I don't think
I'll ever call you dad."
544
00:31:35,132 --> 00:31:38,908
I said, "I understand that.
You already have a father."
545
00:31:38,932 --> 00:31:43,008
I said, "But, uh, you know,
if I could just be your friend
546
00:31:43,032 --> 00:31:47,208
and mentor, that'd be...
That'd suit me fine."
547
00:31:47,232 --> 00:31:50,532
And over the years,
I became Pops.
548
00:31:52,332 --> 00:31:55,508
And it did my heart good.
549
00:31:55,532 --> 00:31:58,708
He, uh, joined the Army
at a late age.
550
00:31:58,732 --> 00:32:00,978
That kind of shocked us.
551
00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:04,438
He wanted to do his part.
552
00:32:04,462 --> 00:32:07,438
He wanted to serve his country.
553
00:32:07,462 --> 00:32:11,638
He wanted to do
what he could to, uh,
554
00:32:11,662 --> 00:32:16,238
take care of the terrorists
that were out there.
555
00:32:16,262 --> 00:32:17,938
I remember very clearly
the day he told me
556
00:32:17,962 --> 00:32:20,038
he wanted to join the Army.
557
00:32:20,062 --> 00:32:21,378
I said, "Why?
558
00:32:21,402 --> 00:32:25,278
You are 29 years old.
Why now?"
559
00:32:25,302 --> 00:32:26,978
He said, "Because I want
to legally kill people
560
00:32:27,002 --> 00:32:29,378
and blow shit up."
561
00:32:29,402 --> 00:32:31,308
I swear to God.
562
00:32:31,332 --> 00:32:35,102
And I went,
"Alrighty, that works."
563
00:32:40,762 --> 00:32:44,378
Well, this is how
we set the charge.
564
00:32:44,402 --> 00:32:46,178
This will not make
the final cut.
565
00:32:46,202 --> 00:32:49,008
Tom Hanks
in, uh, "Saving Private Ryan."
566
00:32:49,032 --> 00:32:51,738
- This should make the final cut.
- There you go.
567
00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:53,178
Dustin Wright.
568
00:32:53,202 --> 00:32:55,578
Dusty could walk into a crowd
of a thousand people
569
00:32:55,602 --> 00:32:58,738
and within an hour, be best
friends with all of them.
570
00:32:58,762 --> 00:33:00,208
I actually like
this kind of stuff.
571
00:33:00,232 --> 00:33:03,238
I mean, anybody can shoot a gun.
You know?
572
00:33:03,262 --> 00:33:04,908
Demo is something else.
573
00:33:04,932 --> 00:33:06,732
It's a lot more fun.
574
00:33:11,732 --> 00:33:13,662
Mission success.
575
00:33:21,932 --> 00:33:25,208
Our whole family served.
576
00:33:25,232 --> 00:33:26,708
My granddaddy
and his four brothers
577
00:33:26,732 --> 00:33:28,338
were in World War II.
578
00:33:28,362 --> 00:33:31,478
My grandmother's three brothers
were in World War II.
579
00:33:31,502 --> 00:33:35,938
Our family goes back
to the War of 1812.
580
00:33:35,962 --> 00:33:39,878
We had a family member
in service at any point
581
00:33:39,902 --> 00:33:42,308
through constant engagement
since that war.
582
00:33:42,332 --> 00:33:43,938
And to our knowledge,
583
00:33:43,962 --> 00:33:46,632
we've never lost anyone
except for Dustin.
584
00:33:49,732 --> 00:33:50,938
When I think about Dustin,
585
00:33:50,962 --> 00:33:54,632
it's my best friend
and he's half my soul.
586
00:33:56,832 --> 00:33:59,802
We nailed it as brothers.
587
00:34:07,702 --> 00:34:09,708
We had a blessing
that most people don't get.
588
00:34:09,732 --> 00:34:13,078
We had each other
through thick and thin.
589
00:34:13,102 --> 00:34:16,338
He and Will
were always together.
590
00:34:16,362 --> 00:34:18,732
They didn't go a day
without speaking.
591
00:34:20,202 --> 00:34:22,102
Just not one day.
592
00:34:30,832 --> 00:34:34,338
So I haven't told him yet
593
00:34:34,362 --> 00:34:36,438
about him having a-a niece.
594
00:34:36,462 --> 00:34:39,738
So that's what, um, I wanted
to come out here
595
00:34:39,762 --> 00:34:42,408
and talk to him about today
because I don't know
596
00:34:42,432 --> 00:34:43,902
what I'm gonna do
with a little girl.
597
00:34:49,762 --> 00:34:53,178
Them damn Wright boys.
598
00:34:53,202 --> 00:34:57,278
Little spice and trouble
and meanness
599
00:34:57,302 --> 00:34:59,508
and a whole...
Whole lot of fighting,
600
00:34:59,532 --> 00:35:02,438
but end of the day,
601
00:35:02,462 --> 00:35:04,362
a whole lot of love, too.
602
00:35:05,632 --> 00:35:07,162
To Dustin.
603
00:35:10,462 --> 00:35:12,062
I love you, brother.
604
00:35:37,102 --> 00:35:39,538
Five months after
the gunfight in Tongo Tongo,
605
00:35:39,562 --> 00:35:42,978
ISIS in West Africa claimed
responsibility for the attack.
606
00:35:43,002 --> 00:35:45,038
They released
a propaganda video,
607
00:35:45,062 --> 00:35:46,108
which included clips
608
00:35:46,132 --> 00:35:48,238
from Jeremiah Johnson's
helmet cam,
609
00:35:48,262 --> 00:35:50,632
which they took off his body.
610
00:35:55,932 --> 00:35:58,738
The video shows the final
desperate minutes of battle
611
00:35:58,762 --> 00:36:03,138
from Bryan, Jeremiah, Dustin
alone around their vehicle,
612
00:36:03,162 --> 00:36:05,562
exchanging heavy fire
with the enemy.
613
00:36:14,602 --> 00:36:17,708
Newly released
video shows the deadly ambush
614
00:36:17,732 --> 00:36:20,678
of American soldiers
and is raising new questions
615
00:36:20,702 --> 00:36:22,338
about the U. S. Military mission
616
00:36:22,362 --> 00:36:23,878
in the African country
of Niger.
617
00:36:23,902 --> 00:36:26,908
It shows just how outgunned
618
00:36:26,932 --> 00:36:28,662
and overwhelmed they were.
619
00:36:37,232 --> 00:36:39,138
Good afternoon, everyone.
620
00:36:39,162 --> 00:36:41,308
We are here this afternoon
to brief you
621
00:36:41,332 --> 00:36:45,008
on the findings of U. S. Africa
Command's investigation
622
00:36:45,032 --> 00:36:48,008
into the ambush of U. S.
And Nigerien soldiers
623
00:36:48,032 --> 00:36:50,908
near the Tongo...
Near Tongo Tongo, Niger,
624
00:36:50,932 --> 00:36:53,578
in early October 2017,
625
00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:56,438
and also to answer
your questions.
626
00:36:56,462 --> 00:36:57,708
Before we begin, however,
627
00:36:57,732 --> 00:37:00,178
I would like to extend
my deepest condolences
628
00:37:00,202 --> 00:37:04,678
to the families and loved ones
of those lost in this attack.
629
00:37:04,702 --> 00:37:06,738
Our commitment,
first and foremost,
630
00:37:06,762 --> 00:37:11,108
has been to provide a complete
accounting to the families.
631
00:37:11,132 --> 00:37:13,278
I would like to talk with you
in greater detail
632
00:37:13,302 --> 00:37:16,208
about the preparedness
of Team Quallam to conduct,
633
00:37:16,232 --> 00:37:19,738
partnered, advise, assist
and accompany operations
634
00:37:19,762 --> 00:37:21,808
on 3 and 4 October.
635
00:37:21,832 --> 00:37:25,438
The investigation discovered
the integration and training
636
00:37:25,462 --> 00:37:28,908
with partnered forces
in Niger was inadequate.
637
00:37:28,932 --> 00:37:31,238
Team Quallam did not meet
the appropriate standards
638
00:37:31,262 --> 00:37:33,508
of familiarization
and integration
639
00:37:33,532 --> 00:37:35,408
with the Nigerien
Partner Force
640
00:37:35,432 --> 00:37:39,608
prior to conducting the initial
mission on 3 October.
641
00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:43,208
In addition, routine tasks
such as conducting rehearsals
642
00:37:43,232 --> 00:37:45,908
for immediate action drills
upon enemy contact
643
00:37:45,932 --> 00:37:49,408
were not completed prior to
stepping off for this mission.
644
00:37:49,432 --> 00:37:52,678
The team did not conduct
those basic soldier-level skills
645
00:37:52,702 --> 00:37:54,278
that would...
That are really necessary
646
00:37:54,302 --> 00:37:57,078
to go on an operation
such as this.
647
00:37:57,102 --> 00:37:59,408
So in layman's terms,
648
00:37:59,432 --> 00:38:01,338
how would you characterize this?
649
00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:03,378
Are they sloppy
or are they cowboys?
650
00:38:03,402 --> 00:38:04,708
Are they taking too much risk?
651
00:38:04,732 --> 00:38:06,378
What would you tell
the American people about this?
652
00:38:06,402 --> 00:38:08,038
How would you characterize
your behavior?
653
00:38:08,062 --> 00:38:11,178
The special operators on
the continent are serving well.
654
00:38:11,202 --> 00:38:15,378
They do high-risk missions
and based on my observations,
655
00:38:15,402 --> 00:38:17,438
this particular...
This particular team
656
00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:20,708
is not indicative
of what they do.
657
00:38:20,732 --> 00:38:23,178
That was infuriating
to me, and it's like,
658
00:38:23,202 --> 00:38:24,578
"Oh, my gosh."
659
00:38:24,602 --> 00:38:26,078
I didn't even finish listening
to the news conference.
660
00:38:26,102 --> 00:38:27,408
I turned it off.
661
00:38:27,432 --> 00:38:30,878
I couldn't stand to even
look at him after I heard that.
662
00:38:30,902 --> 00:38:33,408
It's like,
"How can you possibly say that?"
663
00:38:33,432 --> 00:38:37,538
I think it's an unfair
characterization of an ODA
664
00:38:37,562 --> 00:38:41,638
that found itself
in a bad situation
665
00:38:41,662 --> 00:38:44,108
and did the best
that they could.
666
00:38:44,132 --> 00:38:46,738
And to say
that they weren't indicative,
667
00:38:46,762 --> 00:38:49,508
I just don't think
it's a fair characterization
668
00:38:49,532 --> 00:38:52,638
of... of the... the men
on that detachment.
669
00:38:52,662 --> 00:38:53,838
It stung.
670
00:38:53,862 --> 00:38:57,478
It hurt...
really bad to hear that
671
00:38:57,502 --> 00:39:00,178
because it was clear
672
00:39:00,202 --> 00:39:05,238
that a statement like that
was protecting the command
673
00:39:05,262 --> 00:39:08,638
and, in a way, trying
to protect the community
674
00:39:08,662 --> 00:39:13,278
while badmouthing a team
675
00:39:13,302 --> 00:39:18,138
that had the odds overwhelmingly
stacked against them.
676
00:39:18,162 --> 00:39:20,478
Those briefings,
677
00:39:20,502 --> 00:39:23,238
I thought, were embarrassing
briefings.
678
00:39:23,262 --> 00:39:27,278
Infuriating, unbelievable
679
00:39:27,302 --> 00:39:29,808
to... to literally say these
680
00:39:29,832 --> 00:39:34,802
about my stepson
and his comrades.
681
00:39:37,532 --> 00:39:43,232
I mean, it, uh,
just besmirches their memory.
682
00:39:45,502 --> 00:39:47,102
General Waldhauser.
683
00:39:49,162 --> 00:39:51,408
General Waldhauser,
ABC News.
684
00:39:51,432 --> 00:39:53,508
General, your public comments
685
00:39:53,532 --> 00:39:55,008
about the team
and its competence,
686
00:39:55,032 --> 00:39:56,278
which you said
they were not indicative
687
00:39:56,302 --> 00:39:57,408
of other special operators
688
00:39:57,432 --> 00:39:59,138
who are doing great work
on the continent.
689
00:39:59,162 --> 00:40:00,878
That's what they had...
Correct.
690
00:40:00,902 --> 00:40:02,238
They said that was hurtful
691
00:40:02,262 --> 00:40:04,208
to the families of the fallen.
They told us that.
692
00:40:04,232 --> 00:40:05,578
Well, it wasn't intended
to be hurtful
693
00:40:05,602 --> 00:40:07,038
to the families of the fallen.
694
00:40:07,062 --> 00:40:09,238
The intent was to make that
the special operations forces
695
00:40:09,262 --> 00:40:10,938
have difficult missions
on the continent.
696
00:40:10,962 --> 00:40:12,178
They carry them out every day
697
00:40:12,202 --> 00:40:14,178
and to try to highlight
some of the shortcomings
698
00:40:14,202 --> 00:40:15,538
that the investigation found
699
00:40:15,562 --> 00:40:17,438
with regards
to contributing factors
700
00:40:17,462 --> 00:40:19,038
to the overall situation,
701
00:40:19,062 --> 00:40:22,178
but it was never intended
to be hurtful to the families.
702
00:40:22,202 --> 00:40:23,179
Thank you for your time.
703
00:40:23,203 --> 00:40:25,438
Thanks.
704
00:40:25,462 --> 00:40:30,378
Well, maybe he didn't
mean to hurt us, but he did.
705
00:40:30,402 --> 00:40:35,178
And not just as a gold star
mother who's lost a child,
706
00:40:35,202 --> 00:40:37,608
but as an American.
707
00:40:37,632 --> 00:40:41,232
Why would you throw your people
under the bus?
708
00:40:43,102 --> 00:40:46,808
Why would you...
709
00:40:46,832 --> 00:40:49,702
blame your men...
710
00:40:52,132 --> 00:40:55,338
...who were following
your orders
711
00:40:55,362 --> 00:40:58,502
and who you're responsible for?
712
00:41:01,502 --> 00:41:04,302
Doesn't the buck stop
with the leader?
713
00:41:06,662 --> 00:41:10,338
Isn't that why
there's a chain of command
714
00:41:10,362 --> 00:41:13,562
and isn't that why the chain
of command is followed?
715
00:41:15,132 --> 00:41:17,108
But according
to General Waldhauser,
716
00:41:17,132 --> 00:41:20,908
ODA 3212 did not follow
the chain of command.
717
00:41:20,932 --> 00:41:23,278
He alleged that the team
did not inform
718
00:41:23,302 --> 00:41:28,178
their commanding officers of the
true intent of their mission.
719
00:41:28,202 --> 00:41:30,408
The investigation
also found the team
720
00:41:30,432 --> 00:41:33,108
inaccurately portrayed
the concept of operations
721
00:41:33,132 --> 00:41:36,108
for the first
of three total missions
722
00:41:36,132 --> 00:41:38,538
on 3 and 4 October.
723
00:41:38,562 --> 00:41:41,308
If I were to summarize
the report in one sentence,
724
00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:44,808
it said that the ODA
was ill-prepared
725
00:41:44,832 --> 00:41:47,808
and conducting
an unauthorized mission.
726
00:41:47,832 --> 00:41:50,008
Not only did
General Waldhauser suggest
727
00:41:50,032 --> 00:41:54,038
that ODA 3212
was relatively incompetent,
728
00:41:54,062 --> 00:41:56,578
he went on to claim
that this team of Green Berets
729
00:41:56,602 --> 00:42:01,138
left base under false pretenses
to try to capture or kill
730
00:42:01,162 --> 00:42:03,808
one of the most dangerous
terrorists in the region...
731
00:42:03,832 --> 00:42:06,738
A man named Doundou Chefou.
732
00:42:06,762 --> 00:42:09,908
In effect, he accused the team
of going on a rogue mission
733
00:42:09,932 --> 00:42:12,278
for the ISIS commander's scalp.
734
00:42:12,302 --> 00:42:13,438
The Pentagon investigation
735
00:42:13,462 --> 00:42:15,678
found the team's commanders,
two captains,
736
00:42:15,702 --> 00:42:17,778
mischaracterized
the initial mission,
737
00:42:17,802 --> 00:42:20,378
claiming it was less dangerous
than it really was.
738
00:42:20,402 --> 00:42:23,108
Had the first mission
been properly characterized,
739
00:42:23,132 --> 00:42:25,738
it would have been required
to... to be approved
740
00:42:25,762 --> 00:42:26,878
at a higher level.
741
00:42:26,902 --> 00:42:28,208
And by being approved
at a higher level,
742
00:42:28,232 --> 00:42:29,938
it would have received
more oversight
743
00:42:29,962 --> 00:42:31,278
from the chain of command.
744
00:42:31,302 --> 00:42:33,838
We started to see press reports
come out
745
00:42:33,862 --> 00:42:37,078
that there was, you know, claims
746
00:42:37,102 --> 00:42:42,708
that ODA 3212
decided on their own
747
00:42:42,732 --> 00:42:48,438
that they would, um, institute
a kill/capture mission
748
00:42:48,462 --> 00:42:53,308
to one of the lieutenants
of, uh, ISIS in Niger.
749
00:42:53,332 --> 00:42:55,278
That kind of narrative,
as it started to leak out,
750
00:42:55,302 --> 00:42:58,378
kind of gave me pause
because something like this,
751
00:42:58,402 --> 00:42:59,808
from what I understood,
752
00:42:59,832 --> 00:43:02,638
was going after a, you know,
a highly targeted,
753
00:43:02,662 --> 00:43:06,008
well-known terrorist commander
754
00:43:06,032 --> 00:43:07,508
and would have had
a lot of visibility.
755
00:43:07,532 --> 00:43:10,408
So to think that the team
could just kind of go rogue
756
00:43:10,432 --> 00:43:12,638
on its own
just didn't make sense to me.
757
00:43:12,662 --> 00:43:18,208
I don't buy the fact that
the ODA submitted their plan,
758
00:43:18,232 --> 00:43:21,108
and then at the last minute,
759
00:43:21,132 --> 00:43:23,508
rolled over in their trucks
to... to the Nigeriens
760
00:43:23,532 --> 00:43:25,378
and said, "Let's go.
761
00:43:25,402 --> 00:43:28,138
We're... We'll tell you
when we get there."
762
00:43:28,162 --> 00:43:30,578
It doesn't work like that.
That's not how we operate.
763
00:43:30,602 --> 00:43:35,138
Going after
a high-value target,
764
00:43:35,162 --> 00:43:38,338
like this gentleman,
is a top-down process,
765
00:43:38,362 --> 00:43:40,008
and it is top-down approved.
766
00:43:40,032 --> 00:43:42,678
It's a 4-star-level
approval con-op.
767
00:43:42,702 --> 00:43:45,238
You don't... You can't get away
with cutting and pasting
768
00:43:45,262 --> 00:43:46,778
and, you know,
getting in your trucks
769
00:43:46,802 --> 00:43:49,438
and going, "Yeehaw," right?
You just can't do it.
770
00:43:49,462 --> 00:43:51,208
They don't need to act
like my son
771
00:43:51,232 --> 00:43:54,038
was some kind of damn Rambo
772
00:43:54,062 --> 00:43:57,878
out there on his own
doing something.
773
00:43:57,902 --> 00:44:00,878
Because all he was doing
was what he was told,
774
00:44:00,902 --> 00:44:04,262
and... he fought his ass off.
775
00:44:12,402 --> 00:44:15,808
On September 28,
I left Niger
776
00:44:15,832 --> 00:44:18,008
and went back to Fort Bragg,
North Carolina,
777
00:44:18,032 --> 00:44:20,338
where my pregnant wife
and daughter
778
00:44:20,362 --> 00:44:22,178
were waiting for me.
779
00:44:22,202 --> 00:44:25,708
We went to the hospital
on October 1st
780
00:44:25,732 --> 00:44:27,208
for my wife to be induced,
781
00:44:27,232 --> 00:44:30,308
and my second daughter
was born
782
00:44:30,332 --> 00:44:33,202
early in the morning
on October 2nd.
783
00:44:37,102 --> 00:44:38,908
On the morning of October 4th,
784
00:44:38,932 --> 00:44:40,478
we're getting ready
to be discharged.
785
00:44:40,502 --> 00:44:43,538
I brought the car seat up,
get the baby loaded up,
786
00:44:43,562 --> 00:44:46,738
and my phone, uh, received
a text message
787
00:44:46,762 --> 00:44:50,638
and all it said was,
"You need to come in to work.
788
00:44:50,662 --> 00:44:53,938
Something has happened."
789
00:44:53,962 --> 00:44:56,578
Exactly what did happen
is in dispute.
790
00:44:56,602 --> 00:44:59,908
The United States Africa Command
released their version
791
00:44:59,932 --> 00:45:04,938
of the events in this 268-page,
heavily redacted report.
792
00:45:04,962 --> 00:45:06,478
It's a combination of facts
793
00:45:06,502 --> 00:45:09,208
and what many people
close to the investigation say
794
00:45:09,232 --> 00:45:13,338
are omitted details
and unsubstantiated opinion.
795
00:45:13,362 --> 00:45:15,638
The teams manning
for this mission...
796
00:45:15,662 --> 00:45:18,178
Accompanying the report
was a narrated video
797
00:45:18,202 --> 00:45:20,678
with mission footage
and animation
798
00:45:20,702 --> 00:45:22,678
to support AFRICOM's account
799
00:45:22,702 --> 00:45:25,978
of what went wrong
on the ill-fated mission.
800
00:45:26,002 --> 00:45:28,608
"Team Quallam
and partner forces
801
00:45:28,632 --> 00:45:30,038
depart at Camp Quallam
802
00:45:30,062 --> 00:45:34,508
at 5:59 on October 3rd, 2017,
803
00:45:34,532 --> 00:45:38,708
traveling in a military convoy
in a northwest direction."
804
00:45:38,732 --> 00:45:40,608
The teams' U. S. Soft personnel
805
00:45:40,632 --> 00:45:42,508
traveled in three vehicles,
806
00:45:42,532 --> 00:45:46,508
two of which were equipped
with mounted M240 machine guns.
807
00:45:46,532 --> 00:45:48,278
The 34 Nigerien personnel
808
00:45:48,302 --> 00:45:50,478
traveled in
five additional vehicles.
809
00:45:50,502 --> 00:45:53,578
"The convoy continued
from checkpoint one
810
00:45:53,602 --> 00:45:57,078
in the northeastern direction
for 43 kilometers,
811
00:45:57,102 --> 00:45:59,708
arriving 5 miles south of Tiloa
812
00:45:59,732 --> 00:46:03,308
on approximately
ten hundred hours."
813
00:46:03,332 --> 00:46:04,738
The concept of operations
814
00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:06,838
that was submitted
for approval stated
815
00:46:06,862 --> 00:46:09,838
that the purpose of the mission
was to conduct a civil
816
00:46:09,862 --> 00:46:13,438
and military reconnaissance
in the vicinity of Tiloa.
817
00:46:13,462 --> 00:46:16,208
The plan, submitted
to higher headquarters,
818
00:46:16,232 --> 00:46:20,578
called for them to do a patrol
that would include a series
819
00:46:20,602 --> 00:46:22,878
of what we call
key leader engagements
820
00:46:22,902 --> 00:46:25,008
to meet with local leaders,
821
00:46:25,032 --> 00:46:27,138
discuss the situation
on the ground,
822
00:46:27,162 --> 00:46:29,208
and, if possible,
find any intelligence leads
823
00:46:29,232 --> 00:46:31,262
that the locals
may be able to give them.
824
00:46:34,402 --> 00:46:36,908
The mission plan did
not accurately characterize
825
00:46:36,932 --> 00:46:39,178
the intended purpose
of the mission.
826
00:46:39,202 --> 00:46:44,238
From the beginning, everything
was negative about the team.
827
00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:48,338
Basically, what they said
was the team leader lied
828
00:46:48,362 --> 00:46:54,308
in the brief that he submitted
to hire for the mission.
829
00:46:54,332 --> 00:46:56,478
The mission was, in fact,
830
00:46:56,502 --> 00:46:59,338
to pinpoint the location of
and capture
831
00:46:59,362 --> 00:47:03,038
or, if necessary,
kill the ISIS-GS sub-commander.
832
00:47:03,062 --> 00:47:06,308
I have a really hard time
believing that to be the case.
833
00:47:06,332 --> 00:47:08,878
Doundou Chefou was identified
834
00:47:08,902 --> 00:47:13,438
as a leader of the Islamic State
in the Greater Sahara,
835
00:47:13,462 --> 00:47:15,808
and to say
that the ODA went rogue
836
00:47:15,832 --> 00:47:17,708
and not only
the detachment commander,
837
00:47:17,732 --> 00:47:19,178
but that the team sergeant
838
00:47:19,202 --> 00:47:21,638
and all these
other experienced NCOs
839
00:47:21,662 --> 00:47:24,778
all agreed to go on a mission
840
00:47:24,802 --> 00:47:26,408
to kill or capture
Doundou Chefou
841
00:47:26,432 --> 00:47:30,178
and just blatantly lie,
it would be a big deal.
842
00:47:30,202 --> 00:47:32,378
A captain on an "A" team
843
00:47:32,402 --> 00:47:35,638
does not have the authority
or the power
844
00:47:35,662 --> 00:47:38,078
to make those decisions.
845
00:47:38,102 --> 00:47:39,878
I didn't have any inside
information telling me all this,
846
00:47:39,902 --> 00:47:41,838
but I just know,
as an infantry man,
847
00:47:41,862 --> 00:47:43,078
we would never do that.
848
00:47:43,102 --> 00:47:46,038
We would never go
on a rogue mission
849
00:47:46,062 --> 00:47:48,108
outside the wire
to track down somebody.
850
00:47:48,132 --> 00:47:51,362
And so, it just did not
smell truthful.
851
00:47:52,762 --> 00:47:55,208
Once in Tiloa,
the team searched for
852
00:47:55,232 --> 00:47:57,108
but could not
successfully locate
853
00:47:57,132 --> 00:47:59,978
the ISIS-GS sub-commander.
854
00:48:00,002 --> 00:48:01,878
They conducted the rest
of their mission
855
00:48:01,902 --> 00:48:03,832
and began their return to base.
856
00:48:11,132 --> 00:48:13,038
The first mission
had been completed.
857
00:48:13,062 --> 00:48:14,478
They made it to Tiloa.
858
00:48:14,502 --> 00:48:18,208
They checked on the Nigerien
checkpoint that was out there
859
00:48:18,232 --> 00:48:22,102
and the team was returning back
to base in Quallam.
860
00:48:23,802 --> 00:48:28,278
"At approximately 1700
hours on 3 October 2017,
861
00:48:28,302 --> 00:48:29,938
Team Quallam's convoy halted
862
00:48:29,962 --> 00:48:32,678
approximately 5 kilometers
south of..."
863
00:48:32,702 --> 00:48:36,308
"...in order to receive
additional information
864
00:48:36,332 --> 00:48:38,278
for a possible remission."
865
00:48:38,302 --> 00:48:40,738
Well, they go...
They headed back to base.
866
00:48:40,762 --> 00:48:41,938
End of the day.
867
00:48:41,962 --> 00:48:45,302
And, um,
they got to change the mission.
868
00:48:47,262 --> 00:48:50,078
During the team's
return to base from Tiloa,
869
00:48:50,102 --> 00:48:52,378
they received
high-confidence intelligence
870
00:48:52,402 --> 00:48:54,738
that placed the ISIS-GS
sub-commander
871
00:48:54,762 --> 00:48:57,732
northwest of Tiloa,
near the Mali border.
872
00:48:58,962 --> 00:49:04,008
This is when they were
redirected to go to a location
873
00:49:04,032 --> 00:49:06,738
where the higher headquarters
believe that Doundou Chefou,
874
00:49:06,762 --> 00:49:09,778
or at least a cellphone
associated with him,
875
00:49:09,802 --> 00:49:11,808
had been present for the night.
876
00:49:11,832 --> 00:49:13,708
This time-sensitive intelligence
877
00:49:13,732 --> 00:49:16,338
gave the Nigerien
and U. S. Forces
878
00:49:16,362 --> 00:49:19,738
a narrow window to capture him
while he remained in Niger.
879
00:49:19,762 --> 00:49:20,878
At this point,
880
00:49:20,902 --> 00:49:22,978
you have Colonel Brad Moses
getting involved
881
00:49:23,002 --> 00:49:25,338
and Lieutenant Colonel Painter
getting involved.
882
00:49:25,362 --> 00:49:26,738
Lieutenant Colonel Painter
883
00:49:26,762 --> 00:49:29,338
was the Special Forces
battalion commander,
884
00:49:29,362 --> 00:49:35,038
and he was also, uh,
the task force commander there
885
00:49:35,062 --> 00:49:36,208
on the... on the continent.
886
00:49:36,232 --> 00:49:38,808
The approved
concept of operation
887
00:49:38,832 --> 00:49:41,938
called for another U. S.
And Nigerien partnered force
888
00:49:41,962 --> 00:49:44,638
to clear the target,
with the Quallam-based team
889
00:49:44,662 --> 00:49:46,978
serving
as a quick reaction force.
890
00:49:47,002 --> 00:49:48,038
The new mission called
891
00:49:48,062 --> 00:49:50,338
for a second,
more seasoned ODA team
892
00:49:50,362 --> 00:49:52,078
to fly in on helicopters
893
00:49:52,102 --> 00:49:54,608
and raid the campsite
of Doundou Chefou.
894
00:49:54,632 --> 00:49:57,008
That's the same ISIS commander
who the team
895
00:49:57,032 --> 00:49:59,978
was accused
of going rogue to hunt down.
896
00:50:00,002 --> 00:50:02,338
So at this point, ODA 3212,
897
00:50:02,362 --> 00:50:04,978
also referred to
as the Quallam-based team,
898
00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:07,378
is ordered
to play a backup role.
899
00:50:07,402 --> 00:50:11,362
Their job will be to reinforce
their comrades if they need it.
900
00:50:12,802 --> 00:50:15,278
However,
due to weather constraints,
901
00:50:15,302 --> 00:50:18,032
the other team was forced
to return to base.
902
00:50:20,032 --> 00:50:24,138
The initial ODA coming
from another part of Niger
903
00:50:24,162 --> 00:50:26,338
couldn't make it
due to weather conditions,
904
00:50:26,362 --> 00:50:29,778
and now the responsibility
goes to Jeremiah's team.
905
00:50:29,802 --> 00:50:31,978
Instead of ending the mission
906
00:50:32,002 --> 00:50:35,408
and 3212 going back to camp,
907
00:50:35,432 --> 00:50:39,178
they told them to continue
without the other forces
908
00:50:39,202 --> 00:50:41,308
being a part.
909
00:50:41,332 --> 00:50:43,238
Upon receipt of that directive,
910
00:50:43,262 --> 00:50:46,938
Team Quallam's mission changed
from providing a flexible,
911
00:50:46,962 --> 00:50:51,008
redacted force
to capturing and detaining."
912
00:50:51,032 --> 00:50:52,638
Now, you might think that
the team would be thrilled
913
00:50:52,662 --> 00:50:54,938
to be the main reigning force.
914
00:50:54,962 --> 00:50:56,738
After all,
according to the AFRICOM report,
915
00:50:56,762 --> 00:51:00,262
they had just set out on a rogue
mission to do exactly that.
916
00:51:02,332 --> 00:51:04,138
Have you ever seen that image?
917
00:51:04,162 --> 00:51:05,938
No, I've never seen this image.
918
00:51:05,962 --> 00:51:08,878
But that's Captain Mike Perozeni
on a satellite phone
919
00:51:08,902 --> 00:51:13,378
not looking happy, concerned.
920
00:51:13,402 --> 00:51:15,338
Captain Perozeni was assigned
921
00:51:15,362 --> 00:51:19,008
as the Special Forces
detachment commander,
922
00:51:19,032 --> 00:51:23,138
so he is the senior officer
on that detachment
923
00:51:23,162 --> 00:51:26,808
and is responsible for the
conduct of all their operations.
924
00:51:26,832 --> 00:51:28,338
According to those
who were there,
925
00:51:28,362 --> 00:51:30,778
this is one of the moments
when the detachment commander,
926
00:51:30,802 --> 00:51:32,408
Captain Mike Perozeni,
927
00:51:32,432 --> 00:51:34,978
was pushing back
against the new orders.
928
00:51:35,002 --> 00:51:37,578
He spoke to his command
in satellite phone calls
929
00:51:37,602 --> 00:51:39,208
and text messages,
930
00:51:39,232 --> 00:51:42,738
telling them that to head north
deep into unfamiliar desert
931
00:51:42,762 --> 00:51:44,208
with no backup force available,
932
00:51:44,232 --> 00:51:47,108
no possibility of speedy
medical evacuation,
933
00:51:47,132 --> 00:51:49,578
an exhausted Nigerien
partner force,
934
00:51:49,602 --> 00:51:53,978
and his own lightly armed team
was needlessly risky.
935
00:51:54,002 --> 00:51:58,178
He protested vigorously
is my understanding.
936
00:51:58,202 --> 00:52:01,638
He knew that
they weren't... equipped.
937
00:52:01,662 --> 00:52:04,732
He knew that
that wasn't their mission.
938
00:52:06,762 --> 00:52:09,378
That's not what
they were there for.
939
00:52:09,402 --> 00:52:12,708
He objected because he knew
that his unit
940
00:52:12,732 --> 00:52:17,608
was not prepared to do this...
This new mission
941
00:52:17,632 --> 00:52:19,278
because they left
for a day trip,
942
00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:24,878
not an overnight movement,
and not to go fight somebody.
943
00:52:24,902 --> 00:52:27,678
In Mike Perozeni's mind
on the ground,
944
00:52:27,702 --> 00:52:29,938
he's identifying risk.
945
00:52:29,962 --> 00:52:33,708
He was communicating back
to the company headquarters
946
00:52:33,732 --> 00:52:36,538
and ultimately back up
to Lieutenant Colonel Painter
947
00:52:36,562 --> 00:52:40,038
the risks that were involved
from his standpoint
948
00:52:40,062 --> 00:52:41,208
on the ground.
949
00:52:41,232 --> 00:52:45,238
Now, deep in the highly
censored AFRICOM report,
950
00:52:45,262 --> 00:52:47,238
they do acknowledge
that Captain Perozeni
951
00:52:47,262 --> 00:52:49,308
tried to have
the mission scrubbed.
952
00:52:49,332 --> 00:52:50,938
"In order to conduct this raid,
953
00:52:50,962 --> 00:52:52,808
Team Quallam
and their partner force
954
00:52:52,832 --> 00:52:55,678
would have to move an additional
25 kilometers north
955
00:52:55,702 --> 00:52:59,338
through difficult terrain
under limited visibility.
956
00:52:59,362 --> 00:53:00,908
Given that distance
to travel..."
957
00:53:00,932 --> 00:53:02,738
"...and the fact
that his partner force
958
00:53:02,762 --> 00:53:08,238
have been up for over 18 hours,
redacted expressed to redacted
959
00:53:08,262 --> 00:53:11,408
his preference
that the force return to base."
960
00:53:11,432 --> 00:53:14,578
"...redacted relayed
redacted's preference
961
00:53:14,602 --> 00:53:15,778
to redacted."
962
00:53:15,802 --> 00:53:18,708
"...but redacted
directed that redacted
963
00:53:18,732 --> 00:53:22,738
move to objective north
and conduct the raid."
964
00:53:22,762 --> 00:53:24,408
I highly doubt
965
00:53:24,432 --> 00:53:29,078
that Mike politely, uh,
expressed a "preference"
966
00:53:29,102 --> 00:53:33,778
as it said in the investigation
of... of his concerns.
967
00:53:33,802 --> 00:53:35,908
Mike will speak his mind.
968
00:53:35,932 --> 00:53:38,978
Mike, uh, will not
hold anything back,
969
00:53:39,002 --> 00:53:42,638
and so I have no doubt that
he expressed those concerns.
970
00:53:42,662 --> 00:53:45,638
The U. S. Special Forces
commander for Northwest Africa
971
00:53:45,662 --> 00:53:47,138
was Lieutenant Colonel
David Painter,
972
00:53:47,162 --> 00:53:49,678
who was hundreds of miles
away in Chad,
973
00:53:49,702 --> 00:53:52,678
and he overruled
Captain Perozeni's objections.
974
00:53:52,702 --> 00:53:54,108
Colonel Brad Moses,
975
00:53:54,132 --> 00:53:57,578
the 3rd Special Forces group
commander based in Germany,
976
00:53:57,602 --> 00:54:00,308
also was informed
of the changes to mission
977
00:54:00,332 --> 00:54:03,408
and that Perozeni and ODA 3212
978
00:54:03,432 --> 00:54:07,208
were now going to be the main
force raiding the campsite.
979
00:54:07,232 --> 00:54:09,638
But Colonel Moses told me that
Lieutenant Colonel Painter
980
00:54:09,662 --> 00:54:12,538
did not tell him about
Captain Perozeni's objections
981
00:54:12,562 --> 00:54:13,878
to going forward.
982
00:54:13,902 --> 00:54:16,378
He says had he known about
the captain's concerns
983
00:54:16,402 --> 00:54:19,778
about the mission, he would have
called him directly.
984
00:54:19,802 --> 00:54:22,708
They were told to go anyway.
985
00:54:22,732 --> 00:54:26,132
They didn't care that there was
no backup for those boys.
986
00:54:28,032 --> 00:54:33,838
The way I operated as a...
As commander of SOC Africa was,
987
00:54:33,862 --> 00:54:37,308
my guys on the ground tell me
what they're going to do
988
00:54:37,332 --> 00:54:39,638
and what they're not
going to do, right,
989
00:54:39,662 --> 00:54:41,308
based off of the risk.
990
00:54:41,332 --> 00:54:43,138
And the captain tells me...
991
00:54:43,162 --> 00:54:45,008
A team leader
on the ground tells me...
992
00:54:45,032 --> 00:54:47,778
"Hey, sir." Or it comes up
through the chain.
993
00:54:47,802 --> 00:54:49,838
"No way.
This is just...
994
00:54:49,862 --> 00:54:51,778
I just don't feel comfortable
with it."
995
00:54:51,802 --> 00:54:53,578
Then the brake goes on hard.
996
00:54:53,602 --> 00:54:56,508
I guess one big question
that comes to mind with all this
997
00:54:56,532 --> 00:54:59,338
is if your captain had come up
with this plan
998
00:54:59,362 --> 00:55:01,038
and "We're gonna...
We're gonna make our bones.
999
00:55:01,062 --> 00:55:02,308
We're gonna make our careers.
1000
00:55:02,332 --> 00:55:04,178
We're gonna go kill this guy
or capture him
1001
00:55:04,202 --> 00:55:05,278
and we'll be the heroes,"
1002
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:06,878
or whatever their motives
would have been,
1003
00:55:06,902 --> 00:55:08,878
if Africa command was correct,
1004
00:55:08,902 --> 00:55:11,778
that that's what they were doing
from the start,
1005
00:55:11,802 --> 00:55:13,538
if all that was true,
1006
00:55:13,562 --> 00:55:15,838
why would this guy,
Captain Mike Perozeni,
1007
00:55:15,862 --> 00:55:19,338
object to searching
his target's campsite?
1008
00:55:19,362 --> 00:55:20,432
It makes no sense.
1009
00:55:21,862 --> 00:55:24,108
Why would he push back now
1010
00:55:24,132 --> 00:55:27,178
if he was supposedly on board
at the very front?
1011
00:55:27,202 --> 00:55:30,178
Why would he be issuing
or expressing concerns
1012
00:55:30,202 --> 00:55:34,378
about not being equipped
or prepared
1013
00:55:34,402 --> 00:55:36,778
if that was his intent
all along?
1014
00:55:36,802 --> 00:55:38,408
Not only did Captain Perozeni
1015
00:55:38,432 --> 00:55:40,338
object to the missions
assigned in the field,
1016
00:55:40,362 --> 00:55:42,838
he first voiced concerns
before his team
1017
00:55:42,862 --> 00:55:44,578
even left their base in Quallam.
1018
00:55:44,602 --> 00:55:46,738
The people
in my company headquarters
1019
00:55:46,762 --> 00:55:49,638
knew that Mike pushed back.
1020
00:55:49,662 --> 00:55:51,678
So why that wasn't shared
with the families,
1021
00:55:51,702 --> 00:55:54,978
I'll never know,
but I will say there's no reason
1022
00:55:55,002 --> 00:55:57,138
it should not have been
shared with the families.
1023
00:55:57,162 --> 00:56:01,208
I was left with the impression
that this guy was a screw-up.
1024
00:56:01,232 --> 00:56:05,538
And he screwed up and carried
my son off and got him killed
1025
00:56:05,562 --> 00:56:10,508
because that's what
I was led to believe.
1026
00:56:10,532 --> 00:56:13,608
And I think that's probably
the biggest injustice
1027
00:56:13,632 --> 00:56:17,478
was I walked around
pissed off for a year
1028
00:56:17,502 --> 00:56:21,238
and my anger was directed
toward somebody
1029
00:56:21,262 --> 00:56:25,078
that was completely innocent
of what they told me he did.
1030
00:56:25,102 --> 00:56:27,738
It's clear that
if he had been listened to,
1031
00:56:27,762 --> 00:56:32,638
my son and Jeremiah,
1032
00:56:32,662 --> 00:56:36,232
La David, and Dustin
would be here today.
1033
00:56:37,732 --> 00:56:41,808
The only reason why they
would accuse Captain Perozeni
1034
00:56:41,832 --> 00:56:45,778
and the team of lying
and mischaracterizing
1035
00:56:45,802 --> 00:56:51,338
is to somehow absolve
the chain of command above them
1036
00:56:51,362 --> 00:56:55,238
and basically say because they
went out under false pretenses,
1037
00:56:55,262 --> 00:56:57,808
they put themselves
in a bad situation
1038
00:56:57,832 --> 00:57:00,262
and are therefore responsible
for what happened.
1039
00:57:02,362 --> 00:57:04,008
There's no way...
1040
00:57:04,032 --> 00:57:09,208
Like I say,
anybody with any common sense
1041
00:57:09,232 --> 00:57:12,138
would be headed back to base
1042
00:57:12,162 --> 00:57:13,878
and then all of a sudden decide
to turn around
1043
00:57:13,902 --> 00:57:16,832
and go six hours the other way
in the middle of the night.
1044
00:57:18,932 --> 00:57:20,638
Through the night
of October 3rd,
1045
00:57:20,662 --> 00:57:24,508
the team made the difficult
movement north to the target.
1046
00:57:24,532 --> 00:57:26,378
They traveled
from late afternoon
1047
00:57:26,402 --> 00:57:29,578
till early the next morning
to get to the position.
1048
00:57:29,602 --> 00:57:31,708
On the morning of October 4th,
1049
00:57:31,732 --> 00:57:34,338
the team reached the objective
at sunrise,
1050
00:57:34,362 --> 00:57:37,908
but the enemy had already
departed the area.
1051
00:57:37,932 --> 00:57:40,108
The team discovered
enemy rations,
1052
00:57:40,132 --> 00:57:44,538
a motorcycle, drying uniforms,
and warm fire pits.
1053
00:57:44,562 --> 00:57:47,008
This campsite was abandoned.
1054
00:57:47,032 --> 00:57:49,378
Nothing there to speak of.
1055
00:57:49,402 --> 00:57:50,778
And that they were
just gonna go off
1056
00:57:50,802 --> 00:57:55,438
looking for trash
and pocket litter.
1057
00:57:55,462 --> 00:57:57,608
In the middle of the desert,
1058
00:57:57,632 --> 00:57:59,738
there is nothing urgent enough
1059
00:57:59,762 --> 00:58:02,778
to send an improperly
supplied element
1060
00:58:02,802 --> 00:58:04,838
that far out into the desert.
1061
00:58:04,862 --> 00:58:07,478
After completing the
mission near the Mali border,
1062
00:58:07,502 --> 00:58:11,562
the team was directed by
AOB Niger to return to base.
1063
00:58:21,462 --> 00:58:23,308
While returning to base,
1064
00:58:23,332 --> 00:58:26,938
Team Quallam's partner,
Nigerien forces, needed water,
1065
00:58:26,962 --> 00:58:28,208
so the convoy stopped
1066
00:58:28,232 --> 00:58:31,662
near the village
of Tongo Tongo to resupply.
1067
00:58:33,702 --> 00:58:35,278
As the team waited,
1068
00:58:35,302 --> 00:58:38,338
they conducted an impromptu
key leader engagement
1069
00:58:38,362 --> 00:58:40,578
with the village elder.
1070
00:58:40,602 --> 00:58:42,308
During
the key leader engagement,
1071
00:58:42,332 --> 00:58:47,708
team members met with leaders
and 27 men of the village.
1072
00:58:47,732 --> 00:58:50,238
The meeting lasted
about 30 minutes longer
1073
00:58:50,262 --> 00:58:52,708
than the team commander
expected.
1074
00:58:52,732 --> 00:58:54,278
"Witnesses believe
the village owner
1075
00:58:54,302 --> 00:58:57,308
deliberately delayed the convoy
from departing in an effort
1076
00:58:57,332 --> 00:59:00,478
to allow the enemy time
to set up the ambush."
1077
00:59:00,502 --> 00:59:02,238
At 11:35 hours,
1078
00:59:02,262 --> 00:59:04,008
the team
moved out of the village
1079
00:59:04,032 --> 00:59:06,608
of Tongo Tongo
on their planned route.
1080
00:59:06,632 --> 00:59:08,708
"The convoy traveled southeast
1081
00:59:08,732 --> 00:59:10,838
along the eastern edge
of the village.
1082
00:59:10,862 --> 00:59:12,308
Shortly thereafter,
1083
00:59:12,332 --> 00:59:14,878
a villager approaching
the village from the tree line
1084
00:59:14,902 --> 00:59:17,778
to the east directed
the convoy down a road,
1085
00:59:17,802 --> 00:59:20,108
which appeared to cut
through the wood line
1086
00:59:20,132 --> 00:59:22,238
due east from Tongo Tongo."
1087
00:59:22,262 --> 00:59:24,408
"As the convoy
moved through the narrow road
1088
00:59:24,432 --> 00:59:26,278
between two wood lines,
1089
00:59:26,302 --> 00:59:28,478
the vehicles to the rear
of the convoy
1090
00:59:28,502 --> 00:59:30,462
began to receive
small-arms fire."
1091
00:59:32,332 --> 00:59:34,308
At this point,
the convoy halted.
1092
00:59:34,332 --> 00:59:38,038
The team reported enemy contact
to the advanced operating base
1093
00:59:38,062 --> 00:59:40,238
and returned small-arms fire.
1094
00:59:40,262 --> 00:59:43,138
"I was starting to pick
back up even more.
1095
00:59:43,162 --> 00:59:46,008
I could see Jeremiah,
Dustin, Bryan
1096
00:59:46,032 --> 00:59:48,738
shooting their M4s
at muzzle flashes
1097
00:59:48,762 --> 00:59:52,008
and suspected
likely enemy locations."
1098
00:59:52,032 --> 00:59:53,778
After the first shots
were fired,
1099
00:59:53,802 --> 00:59:58,808
most of the three dozen Nigerien
troops with the ODA fled,
1100
00:59:58,832 --> 01:00:01,138
leaving less than a dozen
to fight out the battle
1101
01:00:01,162 --> 01:00:03,878
alongside the American team.
1102
01:00:03,902 --> 01:00:05,208
"Realizing then
1103
01:00:05,232 --> 01:00:07,508
that the team was
significantly outnumbered
1104
01:00:07,532 --> 01:00:09,378
by a well-trained force,
1105
01:00:09,402 --> 01:00:13,008
Team Quallam's commander ordered
everyone to break contact
1106
01:00:13,032 --> 01:00:14,962
and to withdraw to the south."
1107
01:00:17,162 --> 01:00:18,608
As the rest of the team
1108
01:00:18,632 --> 01:00:20,208
loaded into their vehicles,
1109
01:00:20,232 --> 01:00:24,108
they saw Staff Sergeants
Bryan Black, Jeremiah Johnson,
1110
01:00:24,132 --> 01:00:28,278
and Dustin Wright in the
vicinity of U. S. Vehicle 2.
1111
01:00:28,302 --> 01:00:30,908
The team commander signaled
to begin movement,
1112
01:00:30,932 --> 01:00:32,938
and Staff Sergeant
Jeremiah Johnson
1113
01:00:32,962 --> 01:00:36,038
acknowledged the order
with a thumbs-up.
1114
01:00:36,062 --> 01:00:38,008
A team member
threw a smoke grenade
1115
01:00:38,032 --> 01:00:40,508
to conceal the team's movement.
1116
01:00:40,532 --> 01:00:43,038
No one knows
exactly what happened,
1117
01:00:43,062 --> 01:00:46,838
why U. S. Vehicle 2 with Bryan,
Dustin, and Jeremiah
1118
01:00:46,862 --> 01:00:49,808
did not follow the rest of
the team out of the kill zone.
1119
01:00:49,832 --> 01:00:51,438
But now they were alone.
1120
01:00:51,462 --> 01:00:54,002
A large attacking force
descended upon them.
1121
01:00:56,132 --> 01:00:58,878
Staff Sergeant Wright
began driving U. S. Vehicle 2
1122
01:00:58,902 --> 01:00:59,938
slowly south,
1123
01:00:59,962 --> 01:01:01,408
while Staff Sergeant Black
1124
01:01:01,432 --> 01:01:03,308
and Staff Sergeant
Jeremiah Johnson
1125
01:01:03,332 --> 01:01:05,438
walked along next
to the vehicle,
1126
01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:07,608
providing suppressive fire.
1127
01:01:07,632 --> 01:01:09,808
"During the movement,
enemy small-arms fire
1128
01:01:09,832 --> 01:01:12,602
hit Staff Sergeant Black,
killing him instantly."
1129
01:01:29,902 --> 01:01:33,878
We saw Bryan Black
fall first.
1130
01:01:33,902 --> 01:01:38,608
Watch Dustin and Jeremiah
pull him back to safety,
1131
01:01:38,632 --> 01:01:41,278
realizing that Bryan
had lost his life.
1132
01:01:41,302 --> 01:01:45,402
Jeremiah and Dustin
tried to leave the area.
1133
01:01:46,862 --> 01:01:48,638
But there was no, uh,
1134
01:01:48,662 --> 01:01:51,938
no support fire
from the other team members.
1135
01:01:51,962 --> 01:01:54,162
They were just left
to fend for themselves.
1136
01:02:02,132 --> 01:02:03,938
"Overrun by enemy fighters,
1137
01:02:03,962 --> 01:02:05,238
Staff Sergeant Wright
1138
01:02:05,262 --> 01:02:07,478
and Staff Sergeant
Jeremiah Johnson
1139
01:02:07,502 --> 01:02:09,938
were forced to evade on foot.
1140
01:02:09,962 --> 01:02:12,938
Approximately 85 meters
from the vehicle,
1141
01:02:12,962 --> 01:02:15,608
enemy small-arms fire
1142
01:02:15,632 --> 01:02:18,302
hit Staff Sergeant
Jeremiah Johnson..."
1143
01:02:20,932 --> 01:02:22,902
"...severely wounding him."
1144
01:02:38,062 --> 01:02:40,208
"Staff Sergeant Wright stopped,
1145
01:02:40,232 --> 01:02:43,378
returned to Staff Sergeant
J. Johnson
1146
01:02:43,402 --> 01:02:45,808
and continued
to engage the enemy..."
1147
01:02:45,832 --> 01:02:48,978
"...attempting to protect
Staff Sergeant Johnson,
1148
01:02:49,002 --> 01:02:51,838
Staff Sergeant Wright
fired his M4
1149
01:02:51,862 --> 01:02:54,938
at the enemy
as they advanced on his position
1150
01:02:54,962 --> 01:02:57,008
until he was fatally wounded.
1151
01:02:57,032 --> 01:02:59,902
The enemy killed both soldiers
with small-arms fire."
1152
01:03:03,802 --> 01:03:06,738
I know what it took
to take him down.
1153
01:03:06,762 --> 01:03:09,538
And I'm proud of it.
1154
01:03:09,562 --> 01:03:13,008
It makes me want to strap
on my boots and go back.
1155
01:03:13,032 --> 01:03:14,408
It does.
1156
01:03:14,432 --> 01:03:16,932
I have no problem
with how he went.
1157
01:03:18,562 --> 01:03:20,678
I'm... I'm jealous.
1158
01:03:20,702 --> 01:03:25,438
That's... It's crazy,
but as a warrior, I'm jealous.
1159
01:03:25,462 --> 01:03:30,432
He... He fought more than
10 men could fight.
1160
01:03:31,662 --> 01:03:33,508
Till his dying breath.
1161
01:03:33,532 --> 01:03:36,038
He did it for love.
1162
01:03:36,062 --> 01:03:39,438
He did it for the man
standing next to him, so...
1163
01:03:39,462 --> 01:03:41,432
I don't have an issue
with that at all.
1164
01:03:45,132 --> 01:03:46,438
The team quickly realized
1165
01:03:46,462 --> 01:03:48,408
that Bryan and Jeremiah
and Dustin
1166
01:03:48,432 --> 01:03:50,108
had not followed them.
1167
01:03:50,132 --> 01:03:51,338
Four of the Green Berets
1168
01:03:51,362 --> 01:03:53,508
went off on foot
to try to find them
1169
01:03:53,532 --> 01:03:56,008
but were pinned down
by heavy fire.
1170
01:03:56,032 --> 01:03:57,708
The remainder of the team
and their vehicles
1171
01:03:57,732 --> 01:03:59,578
were forced to withdraw again,
1172
01:03:59,602 --> 01:04:03,408
but this time La David
and two Nigerien soldiers
1173
01:04:03,432 --> 01:04:05,678
were lost in the chaos.
1174
01:04:05,702 --> 01:04:07,138
Believing Sergeant Johnson
1175
01:04:07,162 --> 01:04:08,878
was in control of his vehicle,
1176
01:04:08,902 --> 01:04:10,838
the driver of U. S. Vehicle 1
1177
01:04:10,862 --> 01:04:13,202
accelerated hard
to the northwest.
1178
01:04:14,602 --> 01:04:16,638
"Sergeant La David Johnson
1179
01:04:16,662 --> 01:04:18,108
and the two Nigerien soldiers
1180
01:04:18,132 --> 01:04:20,708
were unable to get
into their vehicle
1181
01:04:20,732 --> 01:04:24,808
and with enemy forces rapidly
closing on their position,
1182
01:04:24,832 --> 01:04:27,308
they were forced
to evade on foot."
1183
01:04:27,332 --> 01:04:29,108
The Nigerien soldiers
were killed
1184
01:04:29,132 --> 01:04:30,109
with small-arms fire.
1185
01:04:30,133 --> 01:04:33,138
Roughly 400 meters
from position 2.
1186
01:04:33,162 --> 01:04:36,178
"Sergeant La David
Johnson continued to evade,
1187
01:04:36,202 --> 01:04:39,978
running west
for an additional 450 meters
1188
01:04:40,002 --> 01:04:44,078
before eventually seeking cover
under a thorny tree.
1189
01:04:44,102 --> 01:04:48,978
Sergeant La David Johnson
fired his U. S. M4 weapon
1190
01:04:49,002 --> 01:04:52,208
a total of five times
on advancing enemy
1191
01:04:52,232 --> 01:04:54,032
before being killed."
1192
01:05:02,762 --> 01:05:05,908
The rest of 3212
had no idea that La David,
1193
01:05:05,932 --> 01:05:08,938
Bryan, Jeremiah, and Dustin
had been killed,
1194
01:05:08,962 --> 01:05:11,138
along with
four Nigerien soldiers
1195
01:05:11,162 --> 01:05:14,038
and a Nigerien
civilian contractor.
1196
01:05:14,062 --> 01:05:15,808
Two other members of the team
had been wounded,
1197
01:05:15,832 --> 01:05:18,678
including Captain Perozeni,
who was shot in the side.
1198
01:05:18,702 --> 01:05:21,638
The six Americans
and four Nigeriens remaining
1199
01:05:21,662 --> 01:05:24,562
were down to a total
of 60 rounds of ammunition.
1200
01:05:26,302 --> 01:05:29,508
They made a desperate call
on their radio... broken arrow,
1201
01:05:29,532 --> 01:05:31,608
which is a term that goes back
to the Vietnam War
1202
01:05:31,632 --> 01:05:35,578
and means essentially
all hope is lost.
1203
01:05:35,602 --> 01:05:38,038
"With enemy vehicles
fast approaching,
1204
01:05:38,062 --> 01:05:41,108
Team Quallam and the Nigerien
partners realized
1205
01:05:41,132 --> 01:05:44,638
their unit was being overwhelmed
and radioed higher headquarters
1206
01:05:44,662 --> 01:05:48,538
for the first time
since the initial contact."
1207
01:05:48,562 --> 01:05:50,778
Captain Perozeni
texted frantic messages
1208
01:05:50,802 --> 01:05:52,132
to his headquarters, saying...
1209
01:05:57,032 --> 01:05:59,978
And two U. S. Commanders in Niger
that day told me
1210
01:06:00,002 --> 01:06:02,378
that dozens
of Special Forces soldiers
1211
01:06:02,402 --> 01:06:06,738
were eager to fly to Tongo Tongo
to save ODA 3212.
1212
01:06:06,762 --> 01:06:08,038
One of those ODAs
1213
01:06:08,062 --> 01:06:10,238
had helicopters
at their disposal,
1214
01:06:10,262 --> 01:06:11,708
immediately got in the air
1215
01:06:11,732 --> 01:06:14,838
and started flying
in the direction of Tongo Tongo
1216
01:06:14,862 --> 01:06:17,038
because they were fighting
tooth and nail
1217
01:06:17,062 --> 01:06:19,808
to get in there
and help their brothers.
1218
01:06:19,832 --> 01:06:22,478
They radioed back
to Lieutenant Colonel Painter
1219
01:06:22,502 --> 01:06:27,778
to receive permission to go in,
and multiple times were denied.
1220
01:06:27,802 --> 01:06:30,108
Lieutenant Colonel Painter
was the same officer
1221
01:06:30,132 --> 01:06:31,578
who, the night before,
1222
01:06:31,602 --> 01:06:33,838
had denied
Captain Perozeni's request
1223
01:06:33,862 --> 01:06:35,002
to return to base.
1224
01:06:36,262 --> 01:06:39,638
At 14:58, a French Mirage
fighter jet
1225
01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:41,138
made a show of force
1226
01:06:41,162 --> 01:06:45,938
by flying over the troops in
contact site at a low altitude.
1227
01:06:45,962 --> 01:06:47,338
The enemy broke contact
1228
01:06:47,362 --> 01:06:51,178
and departed the area
after the show of force.
1229
01:06:51,202 --> 01:06:53,078
The French were the ones,
at the end of the day,
1230
01:06:53,102 --> 01:06:55,708
who came in
as the quick-reaction force
1231
01:06:55,732 --> 01:06:57,938
and... and rescued the ODA.
1232
01:06:57,962 --> 01:07:02,538
And that really frustrated
and... and pissed off the guys
1233
01:07:02,562 --> 01:07:04,178
who were sitting there
at Quallam
1234
01:07:04,202 --> 01:07:07,108
with helicopters ready to go
1235
01:07:07,132 --> 01:07:11,708
and to this day does not
sit well with a lot of the guys.
1236
01:07:11,732 --> 01:07:13,338
"French forces evacuated
1237
01:07:13,362 --> 01:07:15,778
the surviving members
of Team Quallam
1238
01:07:15,802 --> 01:07:17,062
from the battlefield."
1239
01:07:23,662 --> 01:07:26,038
The deaths of the four
Special Forces soldiers
1240
01:07:26,062 --> 01:07:28,038
and the failure to even rescue
their own men
1241
01:07:28,062 --> 01:07:30,978
from the battlefield
was a huge embarrassment.
1242
01:07:31,002 --> 01:07:33,508
And in spite
of what AFRICOM claimed,
1243
01:07:33,532 --> 01:07:35,238
there was little
or no evidence at all
1244
01:07:35,262 --> 01:07:38,478
that the team had gone rogue
as they were accused of.
1245
01:07:38,502 --> 01:07:40,778
In fact,
Captain Mike Perozeni
1246
01:07:40,802 --> 01:07:43,378
pushed back against
the superior officers twice,
1247
01:07:43,402 --> 01:07:44,838
which begs the question...
1248
01:07:44,862 --> 01:07:47,838
Why were the captain's
concerns overruled?
1249
01:07:47,862 --> 01:07:50,338
What was driving his immediate
chain of command
1250
01:07:50,362 --> 01:07:53,078
to push ODA 3212 forward
1251
01:07:53,102 --> 01:07:54,932
against the team's
better judgment?
1252
01:07:56,932 --> 01:07:59,178
And did a mysterious
additional vehicle,
1253
01:07:59,202 --> 01:08:01,638
which joined the convoy
as they left base
1254
01:08:01,662 --> 01:08:05,878
on October 3rd,
factor in to that decision?
1255
01:08:05,902 --> 01:08:07,878
I've confirmed
with intelligence officials
1256
01:08:07,902 --> 01:08:10,438
that what was identified
in the AFRICOM animations
1257
01:08:10,462 --> 01:08:13,938
simply as a 3-man
Nigerien reconnaissance team
1258
01:08:13,962 --> 01:08:16,838
and a truck they labeled
Nigerien vehicle number 3
1259
01:08:16,862 --> 01:08:19,778
was, in fact, a team
1260
01:08:19,802 --> 01:08:22,162
of Nigerien CIA operatives.
1261
01:08:23,732 --> 01:08:26,378
It's not at all uncommon
for CIA operatives
1262
01:08:26,402 --> 01:08:28,438
who are going
into dangerous areas
1263
01:08:28,462 --> 01:08:31,538
to be in the company of
U. S. Special Forces soldiers.
1264
01:08:31,562 --> 01:08:34,108
But because of the top-secret
nature of their work,
1265
01:08:34,132 --> 01:08:36,638
it's not always clear to the
troops they're operating with
1266
01:08:36,662 --> 01:08:39,608
what or who they're looking for.
1267
01:08:39,632 --> 01:08:42,308
In this case, the American
trained and outfitted operatives
1268
01:08:42,332 --> 01:08:44,478
were carrying
a sophisticated device
1269
01:08:44,502 --> 01:08:48,408
which can covertly lock onto
and track a cellphone signal.
1270
01:08:48,432 --> 01:08:49,978
And with it, we have learned,
1271
01:08:50,002 --> 01:08:52,878
they were the ones
who were hunting Doundou Chefou
1272
01:08:52,902 --> 01:08:56,478
in the hope that he would lead
them to an even bigger prize...
1273
01:08:56,502 --> 01:08:59,738
An American Christian aid worker
named Jeffery Woodke,
1274
01:08:59,762 --> 01:09:02,762
who was being held hostage
somewhere in the region.
1275
01:09:07,362 --> 01:09:11,608
When Jeff was a child,
he used to spin the globe
1276
01:09:11,632 --> 01:09:13,608
and look where he stopped.
1277
01:09:13,632 --> 01:09:15,538
And one time he stopped
1278
01:09:15,562 --> 01:09:17,878
and his finger was pointed
at Niger.
1279
01:09:17,902 --> 01:09:19,408
And he told his mom,
1280
01:09:19,432 --> 01:09:23,338
"When I grew up,
I'm gonna go to Niger."
1281
01:09:23,362 --> 01:09:26,678
When he was grown up,
he remembered that moment
1282
01:09:26,702 --> 01:09:30,238
and he looked up and saw
how poor the nation was
1283
01:09:30,262 --> 01:09:33,838
and when he sees suffering,
he wants to alleviate it.
1284
01:09:33,862 --> 01:09:37,138
He looks for ways to help
the people.
1285
01:09:37,162 --> 01:09:40,638
So he build wells.
He did animal vaccinations.
1286
01:09:40,662 --> 01:09:45,062
He helped create schools for
kids so they could be educated.
1287
01:09:46,302 --> 01:09:49,108
He worked very close
with the local population
1288
01:09:49,132 --> 01:09:50,962
in view of their needs.
1289
01:09:53,502 --> 01:09:57,338
This was the start
of the whole process
1290
01:09:57,362 --> 01:09:59,438
of the upwards budget.
1291
01:09:59,462 --> 01:10:00,508
That morning,
1292
01:10:00,532 --> 01:10:03,632
Jeff announced
this special project.
1293
01:10:05,532 --> 01:10:07,138
We're seeing the video of Jeff
1294
01:10:07,162 --> 01:10:09,638
with the leaders
of the community.
1295
01:10:09,662 --> 01:10:13,278
After all that, he went home.
1296
01:10:13,302 --> 01:10:14,602
And then it happened.
1297
01:10:16,932 --> 01:10:18,978
He heard... he heard shots.
1298
01:10:19,002 --> 01:10:20,002
He ran away.
1299
01:10:22,732 --> 01:10:24,332
He fleed.
1300
01:10:29,532 --> 01:10:31,202
But they... they got him.
1301
01:10:45,262 --> 01:10:48,102
Then it was just all a blur.
1302
01:10:51,162 --> 01:10:53,438
I just kept saying no.
1303
01:10:53,462 --> 01:10:56,738
It took a long time for me
to, um,
1304
01:10:56,762 --> 01:11:00,078
to really accept the reality
that it had really happened.
1305
01:11:00,102 --> 01:11:02,178
Yeah.
1306
01:11:02,202 --> 01:11:04,932
Yeah.
1307
01:11:07,162 --> 01:11:10,978
Certainly, we knew
who Jeff Woodke was in Niger.
1308
01:11:11,002 --> 01:11:12,978
His clothes were
in my headquarters,
1309
01:11:13,002 --> 01:11:16,138
so that should he be freed
during our time there,
1310
01:11:16,162 --> 01:11:18,938
he would be brought through
and given back his belongings
1311
01:11:18,962 --> 01:11:23,238
as part of his reintegration
to feel human again.
1312
01:11:23,262 --> 01:11:27,938
But when ODA 3212 left the wire
on their reconnaissance mission,
1313
01:11:27,962 --> 01:11:30,278
never was there an understanding
1314
01:11:30,302 --> 01:11:31,738
that it related
to Jeffery Woodke.
1315
01:11:31,762 --> 01:11:33,908
It wasn't in any
of the mission plans.
1316
01:11:33,932 --> 01:11:36,178
It was never told to me
after the fact.
1317
01:11:36,202 --> 01:11:39,778
It was never in any of the
conversations that took place.
1318
01:11:39,802 --> 01:11:41,338
Jeffery Woodke
was never brought up
1319
01:11:41,362 --> 01:11:43,008
in any of the mission planning
1320
01:11:43,032 --> 01:11:45,308
and his name appears nowhere
1321
01:11:45,332 --> 01:11:49,308
in the 268-page
redacted AFRICOM report.
1322
01:11:49,332 --> 01:11:50,878
Plus, the four families
of the fallen
1323
01:11:50,902 --> 01:11:54,278
were never told about
any connection between Woodke
1324
01:11:54,302 --> 01:11:58,408
and the missions until General
Waldhauser alleged that
1325
01:11:58,432 --> 01:11:59,778
in his press conference,
1326
01:11:59,802 --> 01:12:01,878
shocking nearly everyone
who heard it.
1327
01:12:01,902 --> 01:12:04,878
And I think it's important
to underscore why then
1328
01:12:04,902 --> 01:12:06,238
was that mission undertaken?
1329
01:12:06,262 --> 01:12:08,178
Why was it so important
to send those people up there?
1330
01:12:08,202 --> 01:12:10,478
We've had an American citizen
by the name of Jeffery Woodke,
1331
01:12:10,502 --> 01:12:13,208
who's been captured
and held hostage
1332
01:12:13,232 --> 01:12:16,178
in somewhere in that area
for the last year and a half,
1333
01:12:16,202 --> 01:12:19,178
and there was a possibility
that what they might find
1334
01:12:19,202 --> 01:12:21,338
at that target
would be a piece of the puzzle
1335
01:12:21,362 --> 01:12:22,678
of the whole
of government approach
1336
01:12:22,702 --> 01:12:24,838
to try to return an American
who's been held hostage
1337
01:12:24,862 --> 01:12:26,408
for over a year and a half.
1338
01:12:26,432 --> 01:12:29,508
You'll recall at General
Waldhauser's press briefing,
1339
01:12:29,532 --> 01:12:31,438
he wasn't asked
a question about this,
1340
01:12:31,462 --> 01:12:35,008
but he just sort of
brought up Jeffery Woodke.
1341
01:12:35,032 --> 01:12:38,808
And he said that third mission
in searching that site
1342
01:12:38,832 --> 01:12:43,678
was to look for intelligence on
that hostage Jeffery Woodke.
1343
01:12:43,702 --> 01:12:46,678
Is that something
that you've ever heard?
1344
01:12:46,702 --> 01:12:48,408
I had never heard that,
1345
01:12:48,432 --> 01:12:52,578
and I don't recall that ever
being part of the instructions
1346
01:12:52,602 --> 01:12:57,578
that were given to
Captain Perozeni and his team.
1347
01:12:57,602 --> 01:13:01,538
So I'm not sure where
that characterization came from.
1348
01:13:01,562 --> 01:13:03,338
Jeffery Woodke,
1349
01:13:03,362 --> 01:13:05,602
this hostage that's been held
since October 2016.
1350
01:13:07,402 --> 01:13:08,708
Yeah.
1351
01:13:08,732 --> 01:13:10,308
His name come up
in the briefings?
1352
01:13:10,332 --> 01:13:13,108
No, never once.
1353
01:13:13,132 --> 01:13:15,108
The mission was
a sensitive site...
1354
01:13:15,132 --> 01:13:17,178
Clear a sensitive site
for intelligence.
1355
01:13:17,202 --> 01:13:19,178
For General Waldhauser
to say,
1356
01:13:19,202 --> 01:13:21,178
"We were out there
looking for Jeff Woodke,"
1357
01:13:21,202 --> 01:13:24,038
seemed like a convenient excuse
on his part
1358
01:13:24,062 --> 01:13:26,078
as the commander of AFRICOM
1359
01:13:26,102 --> 01:13:31,408
to try and put a, uh, noble
cause about what we were doing.
1360
01:13:31,432 --> 01:13:33,378
Does that change things,
1361
01:13:33,402 --> 01:13:37,408
how you see what Jeremiah
was doing out there at all?
1362
01:13:37,432 --> 01:13:39,238
If he was part of a team
that was helping
1363
01:13:39,262 --> 01:13:43,078
to facilitate efforts to locate
and eventually recover
1364
01:13:43,102 --> 01:13:46,708
an American-held hostage
by ISIS?
1365
01:13:46,732 --> 01:13:48,002
Yes and no.
1366
01:13:50,202 --> 01:13:52,302
It still could have
waited another day.
1367
01:13:55,862 --> 01:14:01,208
I mean, I'm all for finding
the American, definitely, but...
1368
01:14:01,232 --> 01:14:03,178
another day...
1369
01:14:03,202 --> 01:14:06,538
when they could have had backup
1370
01:14:06,562 --> 01:14:10,078
would have made a world
of difference.
1371
01:14:10,102 --> 01:14:12,838
We'd have four boys
back home, probably.
1372
01:14:12,862 --> 01:14:15,808
If this was indeed
on my husband's behalf,
1373
01:14:15,832 --> 01:14:18,632
I would have to say
thank you so very much.
1374
01:14:20,362 --> 01:14:22,702
I'm still I'm very sorry
it happened.
1375
01:14:24,762 --> 01:14:26,278
And that would be
a terrible burden
1376
01:14:26,302 --> 01:14:28,408
to know that people might die
in the attempt
1377
01:14:28,432 --> 01:14:30,638
to rescue my husband.
1378
01:14:30,662 --> 01:14:32,832
I don't take that lightly.
1379
01:14:55,902 --> 01:14:57,978
- Colonel, come on in.
- My name is Lieutenant Hudson.
1380
01:14:58,002 --> 01:14:59,878
- Tom, how are you?
- Good.
1381
01:14:59,902 --> 01:15:03,538
- Real pleasure.
- Come on in.
1382
01:15:03,562 --> 01:15:07,178
This week is about, you
know, recognizing the valor.
1383
01:15:07,202 --> 01:15:09,808
You know, our gold star families
and our fallen heroes...
1384
01:15:09,832 --> 01:15:11,538
National treasure.
1385
01:15:11,562 --> 01:15:12,678
Obviously there's nothing
1386
01:15:12,702 --> 01:15:16,338
I'm gonna be able to say
that will, you know,
1387
01:15:16,362 --> 01:15:19,978
do much for your loss, frankly,
but, you know...
1388
01:15:20,002 --> 01:15:22,408
Despite the fact the
official military investigation
1389
01:15:22,432 --> 01:15:24,938
tarnished the actions
of ODA 3212,
1390
01:15:24,962 --> 01:15:28,438
nearly two years
after the attack in Tongo Tongo,
1391
01:15:28,462 --> 01:15:31,178
the fallen soldiers were finally
given some recognition
1392
01:15:31,202 --> 01:15:33,008
for their sacrifices.
1393
01:15:33,032 --> 01:15:35,508
So I'd like to present you
with the Bronze Star award.
1394
01:15:35,532 --> 01:15:37,578
Bronze Star with valor.
1395
01:15:37,602 --> 01:15:39,678
You can see the award there,
1396
01:15:39,702 --> 01:15:43,778
and you can read
the citation there.
1397
01:15:43,802 --> 01:15:45,978
Well, thank you very
much for bringing this down
1398
01:15:46,002 --> 01:15:48,102
- and presenting it to us.
- Yes, ma'am.
1399
01:15:50,662 --> 01:15:54,002
- He's truly missed.
- Yes.
1400
01:15:59,602 --> 01:16:01,108
He deserves it.
1401
01:16:01,132 --> 01:16:04,208
He's earned that honor.
1402
01:16:04,232 --> 01:16:07,308
But I've lost my child.
1403
01:16:07,332 --> 01:16:09,302
That's never gonna
make that right.
1404
01:16:11,632 --> 01:16:14,932
But my son would not want me
to turn my back on the military.
1405
01:16:17,102 --> 01:16:19,208
My stepson's in the military,
in the Marine...
1406
01:16:19,232 --> 01:16:21,578
In the Marine Corps...
Michael.
1407
01:16:21,602 --> 01:16:24,738
My grandson Danny
is in the Army.
1408
01:16:24,762 --> 01:16:28,108
My granddaughter's
in the Army Reserves... medic.
1409
01:16:28,132 --> 01:16:31,632
And I am still
all for the military.
1410
01:16:33,402 --> 01:16:36,908
I am very...
1411
01:16:36,932 --> 01:16:40,078
very infuriated with the Army
1412
01:16:40,102 --> 01:16:41,962
and the ones involved with this.
1413
01:16:44,002 --> 01:16:45,608
I'm sure they wake up
every morning now,
1414
01:16:45,632 --> 01:16:48,332
and they don't think
about those four boys.
1415
01:16:49,662 --> 01:16:51,438
I wake up without my son
every morning
1416
01:16:51,462 --> 01:16:53,302
just as the other parents do.
1417
01:16:56,432 --> 01:16:59,008
The wives wake up
without their husbands,
1418
01:16:59,032 --> 01:17:02,778
the brothers and sisters wake up
without their brother,
1419
01:17:02,802 --> 01:17:06,678
kids wake up without their dads,
1420
01:17:06,702 --> 01:17:12,402
and we deserve the full truth
and some accountability.
1421
01:17:14,962 --> 01:17:18,708
I feel the pain of
the families as much as I can.
1422
01:17:18,732 --> 01:17:20,108
I understand their grief.
1423
01:17:20,132 --> 01:17:22,578
I grieve with them
for their loss.
1424
01:17:22,602 --> 01:17:24,802
And I think that they grieve
for our loss.
1425
01:17:26,732 --> 01:17:29,838
For me, I don't want to
just constantly living my life.
1426
01:17:29,862 --> 01:17:33,638
"Okay. In October of 2017,
this happened.
1427
01:17:33,662 --> 01:17:35,978
Let's rehash it again and again
and again and again."
1428
01:17:36,002 --> 01:17:38,402
That's not me.
1429
01:17:41,802 --> 01:17:43,478
You don't live with your head
in the sand
1430
01:17:43,502 --> 01:17:45,808
and act like it never happened,
1431
01:17:45,832 --> 01:17:49,578
but move forward,
do positive things,
1432
01:17:49,602 --> 01:17:51,378
continue to grow and learn
1433
01:17:51,402 --> 01:17:54,632
and impact other people
in their lives.
1434
01:18:01,462 --> 01:18:04,738
Well, yeah, it's already...
It's already named,
1435
01:18:04,762 --> 01:18:06,578
but I think you can change
their names
1436
01:18:06,602 --> 01:18:07,579
- up to, like, a year.
- Is it Opie?
1437
01:18:07,603 --> 01:18:09,278
- Yeah.
- What's their name?
1438
01:18:09,302 --> 01:18:10,438
Opie.
1439
01:18:10,462 --> 01:18:11,978
Oh, that's perfect.
1440
01:18:12,002 --> 01:18:13,308
I get a new grand-dog.
1441
01:18:13,332 --> 01:18:14,632
I know.
1442
01:18:16,932 --> 01:18:19,538
It's a routine now
of life without Bryan,
1443
01:18:19,562 --> 01:18:23,908
adjusting but remembering
and thanking our Lord
1444
01:18:23,932 --> 01:18:27,002
for what we had with him
for all those years.
1445
01:18:43,032 --> 01:18:44,802
We all family now.
1446
01:18:47,762 --> 01:18:48,908
Their pain is my pain,
1447
01:18:48,932 --> 01:18:50,838
and I know my pain
is their pain.
1448
01:18:50,862 --> 01:18:52,608
We all going through
the same thing.
1449
01:18:52,632 --> 01:18:54,302
We just want to know the truth.
1450
01:19:00,162 --> 01:19:02,438
The president of
the United States of America,
1451
01:19:02,462 --> 01:19:05,978
authorized by Act
of Congress 9 July 1918,
1452
01:19:06,002 --> 01:19:09,678
has awarded the Silver Star
to Sergeant La David T. Johnson.
1453
01:19:09,702 --> 01:19:10,938
Sergeant Johnson,
1454
01:19:10,962 --> 01:19:13,408
with total disregard
for his personal safety or life,
1455
01:19:13,432 --> 01:19:15,978
maneuvered multiple times
across open terrain
1456
01:19:16,002 --> 01:19:17,838
through intense
and accurate fire
1457
01:19:17,862 --> 01:19:20,978
from an overwhelming hostile
force to protect his team.
1458
01:19:21,002 --> 01:19:23,078
I want to ask you
about the ceremony.
1459
01:19:23,102 --> 01:19:25,578
At one point, you kind of
like turned away,
1460
01:19:25,602 --> 01:19:27,208
like, your back to the audience.
1461
01:19:27,232 --> 01:19:29,762
Do you remember that moment,
how you were feeling?
1462
01:19:31,132 --> 01:19:33,938
I was angry.
1463
01:19:33,962 --> 01:19:35,338
Angry.
1464
01:19:35,362 --> 01:19:37,962
I wanted my husband
to be here with me.
1465
01:19:40,362 --> 01:19:44,162
No... A war medal or anything
could bring him back.
1466
01:19:46,702 --> 01:19:49,802
I'm angry and I'm still angry
to this day.
1467
01:19:55,262 --> 01:19:57,262
Come on. You ready?
1468
01:20:15,932 --> 01:20:17,808
You love Mommy?
1469
01:20:17,832 --> 01:20:18,932
Blow.
1470
01:20:23,162 --> 01:20:24,732
Ooh, pretty girl.
1471
01:20:27,302 --> 01:20:30,678
Yeah, I don't got anything
to make him sit up.
1472
01:20:30,702 --> 01:20:32,908
Daddy can sit
on Shay Shay lap.
1473
01:20:32,932 --> 01:20:35,478
- I can't.
- I got to hold it.
1474
01:20:35,502 --> 01:20:37,538
But I'll lay it like that.
1475
01:20:37,562 --> 01:20:40,632
They still
ask questions every day.
1476
01:20:43,332 --> 01:20:47,438
"Mommy, when Daddy coming home?
When Daddy coming home?"
1477
01:20:47,462 --> 01:20:49,438
And I have to tell them,
"Daddy not coming home.
1478
01:20:49,462 --> 01:20:53,008
You know, Daddy in Heaven now,
you know.
1479
01:20:53,032 --> 01:20:56,202
So, you know, you could see
Daddy in your dreams."
1480
01:21:03,362 --> 01:21:04,878
And when I'm dead and gone,
1481
01:21:04,902 --> 01:21:07,602
I'm gonna reunite
with my husband.
1482
01:21:09,462 --> 01:21:11,062
He's gonna be waiting for me.
1483
01:21:22,702 --> 01:21:24,278
You wanna go get the doggie?
1484
01:21:24,302 --> 01:21:26,278
Huh? Abigail.
1485
01:21:26,302 --> 01:21:28,708
Hey. Abigail.
1486
01:21:28,732 --> 01:21:29,838
You want to go get the doggie?
1487
01:21:29,862 --> 01:21:31,708
A lot of changes
on the personal front.
1488
01:21:31,732 --> 01:21:32,878
I've been married now...
1489
01:21:32,902 --> 01:21:35,978
September 22nd,
it was a year.
1490
01:21:36,002 --> 01:21:39,932
I have a 9-month-old daughter,
Abigail.
1491
01:21:42,932 --> 01:21:45,838
Far as my brother and his life,
1492
01:21:45,862 --> 01:21:48,238
his legacy and his death,
1493
01:21:48,262 --> 01:21:51,278
it's been a long,
arduous process
1494
01:21:51,302 --> 01:21:53,078
over the last two years.
1495
01:21:53,102 --> 01:21:56,708
Um, the most recent development,
you know,
1496
01:21:56,732 --> 01:21:59,638
was obviously his award.
1497
01:21:59,662 --> 01:22:02,602
He was awarded the Silver Star
for Valor in Combat.
1498
01:22:10,362 --> 01:22:11,608
Staff Sergeant Wright,
1499
01:22:11,632 --> 01:22:14,378
with total disregard
for his personal safety or life,
1500
01:22:14,402 --> 01:22:16,738
maneuvered multiple times
across open terrain
1501
01:22:16,762 --> 01:22:18,478
through intense
and accurate fire
1502
01:22:18,502 --> 01:22:20,378
from an overwhelming
hostile force
1503
01:22:20,402 --> 01:22:23,508
to protect and recover
two of his fallen comrades.
1504
01:22:23,532 --> 01:22:24,678
His courage...
1505
01:22:24,702 --> 01:22:25,878
I can't change the past.
1506
01:22:25,902 --> 01:22:28,978
I can't bring Dustin back.
1507
01:22:29,002 --> 01:22:31,978
But I can have a voice.
1508
01:22:32,002 --> 01:22:35,102
And I can be a thorn
in your side...
1509
01:22:38,762 --> 01:22:41,208
...to get my point across.
1510
01:22:41,232 --> 01:22:42,808
And that point is
1511
01:22:42,832 --> 01:22:46,378
if we're gonna have
a strong country,
1512
01:22:46,402 --> 01:22:50,678
we have to have
a strong military.
1513
01:22:50,702 --> 01:22:54,838
And that means
when you make a mistake,
1514
01:22:54,862 --> 01:22:57,438
you are accountable.
1515
01:22:57,462 --> 01:23:00,438
And you must hold yourself
accountable,
1516
01:23:00,462 --> 01:23:03,208
because that is what my son did.
1517
01:23:03,232 --> 01:23:05,938
He held himself accountable
1518
01:23:05,962 --> 01:23:09,338
for his actions that day.
1519
01:23:09,362 --> 01:23:10,808
He had a choice.
1520
01:23:10,832 --> 01:23:12,678
He could have kept running.
1521
01:23:12,702 --> 01:23:13,938
He didn't.
1522
01:23:13,962 --> 01:23:16,138
He stopped.
1523
01:23:16,162 --> 01:23:17,832
He stopped.
1524
01:23:20,432 --> 01:23:24,702
He turned around,
and he faced his enemy.
1525
01:23:25,862 --> 01:23:27,862
Not everybody can say that.
1526
01:23:32,832 --> 01:23:35,078
I'm gonna share
a few quotes.
1527
01:23:35,102 --> 01:23:36,938
They're not from a writer.
1528
01:23:36,962 --> 01:23:39,332
They're from a man
named Dustin Wright.
1529
01:23:41,062 --> 01:23:43,838
"Life boils down to a series
of choices.
1530
01:23:43,862 --> 01:23:46,838
Before long,
the choices you make
1531
01:23:46,862 --> 01:23:50,308
and the ones you don't
become you.
1532
01:23:50,332 --> 01:23:53,478
All choices lead you somewhere.
1533
01:23:53,502 --> 01:23:56,962
Bold choices take you
where you're supposed to be."
1534
01:23:59,732 --> 01:24:01,108
He may have gave
his last breath,
1535
01:24:01,132 --> 01:24:03,338
but that's not
where his life ended.
1536
01:24:03,362 --> 01:24:05,878
And that's not where
our lives ended.
1537
01:24:05,902 --> 01:24:08,732
That's where we were challenged
to truly live again.
1538
01:24:11,262 --> 01:24:14,678
The sacrifices by men
like La David Johnson,
1539
01:24:14,702 --> 01:24:17,878
Jeremiah Johnson,
Bryan Black, and Dustin Wright
1540
01:24:17,902 --> 01:24:21,962
require a response
from us as Americans.
1541
01:24:23,562 --> 01:24:25,238
Have you rejoined the Army?
1542
01:24:25,262 --> 01:24:27,338
- I have.
- Have you rejoined the Army
1543
01:24:27,362 --> 01:24:30,432
to avenge Dustin's death?
1544
01:24:31,562 --> 01:24:34,708
- I think...
- it would be easy to say
1545
01:24:34,732 --> 01:24:38,008
and completely understandable
if I said,
1546
01:24:38,032 --> 01:24:39,338
"I want to go get 'em,"
1547
01:24:39,362 --> 01:24:40,978
but that's not why I rejoined.
1548
01:24:41,002 --> 01:24:43,578
I rejoined because I care
about my country.
1549
01:24:43,602 --> 01:24:46,908
I care about the men and women
that are still going to combat.
1550
01:24:46,932 --> 01:24:49,208
I care about American blood
being spilled,
1551
01:24:49,232 --> 01:24:53,038
and if I can do something
to help, I want to.
1552
01:24:53,062 --> 01:24:54,408
I should do something.
1553
01:24:54,432 --> 01:24:57,938
Your son Will
re-enlisted recently.
1554
01:24:57,962 --> 01:25:01,378
Not with my blessings.
1555
01:25:01,402 --> 01:25:04,038
He did that on his own,
and that's his prerogative.
1556
01:25:04,062 --> 01:25:06,778
He's a grown man.
1557
01:25:06,802 --> 01:25:09,238
And I don't know...
1558
01:25:09,262 --> 01:25:11,932
Honestly,
I don't know his motivation.
1559
01:25:14,802 --> 01:25:17,108
But I was...
1560
01:25:17,132 --> 01:25:20,702
I was not happy
when I found that out.
1561
01:25:38,232 --> 01:25:40,338
The Army let me down.
1562
01:25:40,362 --> 01:25:43,632
They let my son down,
and then they lied about it.
1563
01:25:53,162 --> 01:25:57,138
It was like the guys that
actually made the decision
1564
01:25:57,162 --> 01:26:00,502
for them to do that mission
ran from their decision.
1565
01:26:03,302 --> 01:26:05,508
And did everything they could
1566
01:26:05,532 --> 01:26:08,678
to force the blame
down the ladder
1567
01:26:08,702 --> 01:26:11,438
as far as it could go.
1568
01:26:11,462 --> 01:26:13,178
Secretary Mattis wanted scalps.
1569
01:26:13,202 --> 01:26:14,308
I mean, we've heard that.
1570
01:26:14,332 --> 01:26:16,338
He was the Defense Secretary
at the time,
1571
01:26:16,362 --> 01:26:17,708
and he wanted accountability.
1572
01:26:17,732 --> 01:26:19,378
He wanted to pin blame
on people.
1573
01:26:19,402 --> 01:26:20,408
Correct.
1574
01:26:20,432 --> 01:26:21,508
Where's the accountability?
1575
01:26:21,532 --> 01:26:23,038
Where is the blame?
1576
01:26:23,062 --> 01:26:24,808
And it became very apparent
1577
01:26:24,832 --> 01:26:27,708
that there were certain levels
of the chain of command
1578
01:26:27,732 --> 01:26:29,238
that were being targeted
1579
01:26:29,262 --> 01:26:31,608
and other parts
that really weren't.
1580
01:26:31,632 --> 01:26:34,378
- Above your rank.
- Above my rank.
1581
01:26:34,402 --> 01:26:35,878
And the people
above your rank were...
1582
01:26:35,902 --> 01:26:37,308
Lieutenant Colonel
Dave Painter,
1583
01:26:37,332 --> 01:26:39,578
Colonel Brad Moses...
1584
01:26:39,602 --> 01:26:43,738
My commander
and my commander's commander.
1585
01:26:43,762 --> 01:26:46,138
People close to
the investigation have told me
1586
01:26:46,162 --> 01:26:48,178
that the move to protect
higher-ranking officers
1587
01:26:48,202 --> 01:26:49,808
began almost immediately.
1588
01:26:49,832 --> 01:26:51,678
Just a week after its launch,
1589
01:26:51,702 --> 01:26:54,908
General Waldhauser replaced
the lead investigator
1590
01:26:54,932 --> 01:26:59,508
with his own Chief of Staff,
Major General Roger Cloutier.
1591
01:26:59,532 --> 01:27:02,678
In October of 2017,
General Waldhauser appointed me
1592
01:27:02,702 --> 01:27:05,338
to conduct an investigation
into the enemy attack
1593
01:27:05,362 --> 01:27:09,278
on U. S. And Nigerien forces
near Tongo Tongo in Niger.
1594
01:27:09,302 --> 01:27:12,508
My first responsibility was
to the families of the fallen.
1595
01:27:12,532 --> 01:27:15,208
This is wrong.
This is wrong.
1596
01:27:15,232 --> 01:27:18,678
Using your chief of staff,
as much as I love the man,
1597
01:27:18,702 --> 01:27:22,008
to do the investigation
for AFRICOM.
1598
01:27:22,032 --> 01:27:24,408
The last thing we want
is AFRICOM
1599
01:27:24,432 --> 01:27:29,008
controlling an investigation
of themselves.
1600
01:27:29,032 --> 01:27:32,838
The idea that the Secretary
of Defense let AFRICOM
1601
01:27:32,862 --> 01:27:37,108
investigate themselves here
and that the combatant commander
1602
01:27:37,132 --> 01:27:41,408
appointed his chief of staff
to look at this,
1603
01:27:41,432 --> 01:27:45,078
I felt was just unconscionable.
1604
01:27:45,102 --> 01:27:46,808
And their unwillingness
1605
01:27:46,832 --> 01:27:50,338
to look at those commanders
above the company level
1606
01:27:50,362 --> 01:27:53,878
is an egregious shortcoming
1607
01:27:53,902 --> 01:27:58,838
and dereliction
of their responsibilities
1608
01:27:58,862 --> 01:28:02,708
to really assess
what happened here.
1609
01:28:02,732 --> 01:28:05,538
The investigation
was an attempt
1610
01:28:05,562 --> 01:28:10,338
to protect senior leaders
and their careers.
1611
01:28:10,362 --> 01:28:13,208
And a deliberate attempt
1612
01:28:13,232 --> 01:28:17,878
to hold the... company commander
1613
01:28:17,902 --> 01:28:19,478
and the detachment commander
1614
01:28:19,502 --> 01:28:23,238
and the team members
accountable.
1615
01:28:23,262 --> 01:28:25,508
I was ultimately
held accountable.
1616
01:28:25,532 --> 01:28:29,408
I ultimately received
this reprimand.
1617
01:28:29,432 --> 01:28:31,438
"Memorandum
for Major Alan Van Saun
1618
01:28:31,462 --> 01:28:34,408
dated October 9, 2018.
1619
01:28:34,432 --> 01:28:36,838
You are hereby reprimanded
for failing to ensure
1620
01:28:36,862 --> 01:28:41,408
that the members of Operational
Detachment Alpha ODA 3212
1621
01:28:41,432 --> 01:28:43,278
were adequately trained
1622
01:28:43,302 --> 01:28:45,908
prior to conducting
combined operations
1623
01:28:45,932 --> 01:28:48,978
with a Nigerien partner force."
1624
01:28:49,002 --> 01:28:51,308
And then
Major General John Deedrick
1625
01:28:51,332 --> 01:28:52,978
came to visit me at the Pentagon
1626
01:28:53,002 --> 01:28:57,508
to give me the final results
of my punishment.
1627
01:28:57,532 --> 01:29:00,778
And he notified me
that, more or less,
1628
01:29:00,802 --> 01:29:04,408
my future in the Army was over.
1629
01:29:04,432 --> 01:29:08,538
So my words to him were, "Sir,
just so we're straight here,
1630
01:29:08,562 --> 01:29:11,408
just so I understand
we're on the same page,
1631
01:29:11,432 --> 01:29:14,308
you are essentially
ending my career
1632
01:29:14,332 --> 01:29:17,308
over something
that I was not part of,
1633
01:29:17,332 --> 01:29:19,902
nor did I have authority over."
1634
01:29:21,162 --> 01:29:26,878
"ODA 3212 was trained
and certified and validated
1635
01:29:26,902 --> 01:29:29,932
by Lieutenant Colonel Painter
and Colonel Moses."
1636
01:29:32,032 --> 01:29:34,878
Then he changed the topic,
asked if I had any questions.
1637
01:29:34,902 --> 01:29:37,678
We shook hands,
and I went on my way.
1638
01:29:37,702 --> 01:29:39,478
Colonel Moses
and Colonel Painter
1639
01:29:39,502 --> 01:29:40,538
were not held accountable,
1640
01:29:40,562 --> 01:29:42,508
but they should have been
held accountable.
1641
01:29:42,532 --> 01:29:44,178
And the reason
they weren't held accountable
1642
01:29:44,202 --> 01:29:46,078
is because
they're card-carrying,
1643
01:29:46,102 --> 01:29:49,478
you know, members of the club.
1644
01:29:49,502 --> 01:29:53,838
He was a scapegoat
to protect higher officers
1645
01:29:53,862 --> 01:29:57,278
from being punished.
1646
01:29:57,302 --> 01:29:59,578
They gave him a reprimand.
1647
01:29:59,602 --> 01:30:01,908
For what?
He wasn't even much there.
1648
01:30:01,932 --> 01:30:05,108
His daughter is born
the same day my husband died,
1649
01:30:05,132 --> 01:30:09,608
and I'm pretty sure
that eats him up every day.
1650
01:30:09,632 --> 01:30:10,938
It's all about the club.
1651
01:30:10,962 --> 01:30:13,508
It's all about protecting
the establishment.
1652
01:30:13,532 --> 01:30:15,538
It's all about, you know,
1653
01:30:15,562 --> 01:30:18,008
circling the wagons
around the senior leaders.
1654
01:30:18,032 --> 01:30:21,238
They spent months
and months and months
1655
01:30:21,262 --> 01:30:24,578
trying to formulate a damn story
1656
01:30:24,602 --> 01:30:27,408
that they thought
would protect their ass.
1657
01:30:27,432 --> 01:30:29,078
So that first mission
was the one
1658
01:30:29,102 --> 01:30:31,608
that was not
properly characterized.
1659
01:30:31,632 --> 01:30:34,778
It was characterized as a civil
military reconnaissance
1660
01:30:34,802 --> 01:30:38,778
when it was actually focused
on the ISIS-GS sub-commander.
1661
01:30:38,802 --> 01:30:41,338
So if you were sitting
across from Roger Cloutier
1662
01:30:41,362 --> 01:30:44,038
right now instead of me...
1663
01:30:44,062 --> 01:30:47,008
I'd say, "Get your ass
in the yard."
1664
01:30:47,032 --> 01:30:48,438
That's exactly what I'd say.
1665
01:30:48,462 --> 01:30:51,838
And I'd try to beat
that son of a bitch to a pulp.
1666
01:30:51,862 --> 01:30:54,732
He would need medical assistance
to leave my house.
1667
01:30:56,362 --> 01:30:58,208
If I had to hit him
with a damn ball bat,
1668
01:30:58,232 --> 01:31:01,738
it wouldn't matter.
1669
01:31:01,762 --> 01:31:04,578
I'd... I'd put something on him
he would remember
1670
01:31:04,602 --> 01:31:06,762
as long as I'm gonna
remember my son.
1671
01:31:19,132 --> 01:31:22,308
The Pentagon's response,
what we found, is to stand firm
1672
01:31:22,332 --> 01:31:25,208
by their investigation
and its conclusions
1673
01:31:25,232 --> 01:31:26,638
by refusing to comment.
1674
01:31:26,662 --> 01:31:29,838
Military officials have also
avoided answering questions
1675
01:31:29,862 --> 01:31:33,378
of many of the family members
of the four fallen soldiers.
1676
01:31:33,402 --> 01:31:36,678
And so the official record
remains unchanged,
1677
01:31:36,702 --> 01:31:38,478
despite the preponderance
of the evidence
1678
01:31:38,502 --> 01:31:42,278
showing ODA 3212
did not go rogue
1679
01:31:42,302 --> 01:31:44,538
or contribute
to their own downfall
1680
01:31:44,562 --> 01:31:46,708
as the Pentagon suggests.
1681
01:31:46,732 --> 01:31:50,478
There's been a lot of ink
1682
01:31:50,502 --> 01:31:53,338
spilled on this, uh,
1683
01:31:53,362 --> 01:31:56,738
on this incident in Niger.
1684
01:31:56,762 --> 01:31:59,532
And I think a lot of...
1685
01:32:02,262 --> 01:32:04,238
...mischaracterization
1686
01:32:04,262 --> 01:32:06,378
of what actually occurred
1687
01:32:06,402 --> 01:32:08,478
and to the detriment,
1688
01:32:08,502 --> 01:32:12,178
not only of the men
on the ground
1689
01:32:12,202 --> 01:32:14,438
and their legacy
and their performance,
1690
01:32:14,462 --> 01:32:16,938
but also to the special
operations community in general.
1691
01:32:16,962 --> 01:32:19,008
And it's important to me
1692
01:32:19,032 --> 01:32:22,938
that we attempt to set
the record straight
1693
01:32:22,962 --> 01:32:25,838
and recognize
1694
01:32:25,862 --> 01:32:27,738
that these men served
with honor.
1695
01:32:27,762 --> 01:32:30,408
They didn't mischaracterize
their mission.
1696
01:32:30,432 --> 01:32:32,078
They fought valiantly
1697
01:32:32,102 --> 01:32:35,678
and made the ultimate sacrifice.
1698
01:32:35,702 --> 01:32:38,678
And it's important to tell
that whole story
1699
01:32:38,702 --> 01:32:41,802
so that America
knows the truth.
1700
01:34:23,132 --> 01:34:27,038
I turned 33 three days ago.
1701
01:34:27,062 --> 01:34:30,862
I am a bit of an old man
compared to most.
1702
01:34:33,762 --> 01:34:36,802
But I know
I had unfinished business.
1703
01:34:54,662 --> 01:34:58,108
The events of my brother
solidified that position.
1704
01:34:58,132 --> 01:35:01,738
I admire him, I respect him
and everything he's done
1705
01:35:01,762 --> 01:35:04,738
and everything he was able to do
in the short time he had here.
1706
01:35:04,762 --> 01:35:06,408
And I wanted to do things
with my life
1707
01:35:06,432 --> 01:35:07,638
that would make him proud
1708
01:35:07,662 --> 01:35:10,602
and to go into Special Forces
is part of that.
1709
01:35:11,902 --> 01:35:13,808
For me, this is a bold choice.
1710
01:35:13,832 --> 01:35:16,562
For my wife and my family,
this is a bold choice.
1711
01:35:22,562 --> 01:35:24,838
I think my dad...
He is, uh...
1712
01:35:24,862 --> 01:35:26,708
Throughout my career,
my brother's career,
1713
01:35:26,732 --> 01:35:28,278
he's kind of had
the same stance.
1714
01:35:28,302 --> 01:35:31,978
He's proud of us
but doesn't want it to be us.
1715
01:35:32,002 --> 01:35:34,638
And I get that.
1716
01:35:34,662 --> 01:35:39,008
To willingly watch
another son go down that path,
1717
01:35:39,032 --> 01:35:40,932
I can't imagine
how hard it would be.
1718
01:35:42,202 --> 01:35:43,238
Ready?
1719
01:35:43,262 --> 01:35:46,478
God is great, God is good.
1720
01:35:46,502 --> 01:35:48,932
Let us thank him for our food.
1721
01:35:53,632 --> 01:35:55,838
Amen.
1722
01:35:55,862 --> 01:35:58,638
Yay, Abigail.
1723
01:35:58,662 --> 01:36:02,108
You know,
I am painfully aware
1724
01:36:02,132 --> 01:36:04,338
of what can happen
on the worst day.
1725
01:36:04,362 --> 01:36:05,378
It's terrifying.
1726
01:36:05,402 --> 01:36:06,938
I mean, I...
1727
01:36:06,962 --> 01:36:09,078
I know what I stand to lose.
1728
01:36:09,102 --> 01:36:11,632
And that's why I'm not
taking it for granted.
1729
01:36:17,632 --> 01:36:19,808
But...
1730
01:36:19,832 --> 01:36:23,438
I wasn't called
to live a cautious life.
1731
01:36:23,462 --> 01:36:26,708
And, you know,
I believe
1732
01:36:26,732 --> 01:36:30,178
it was Andrew Jackson said.
1733
01:36:30,202 --> 01:36:33,578
"I was built for the storm
and the calm doesn't suit me."
1734
01:36:33,602 --> 01:36:37,008
So this is...
1735
01:36:37,032 --> 01:36:38,438
where God has placed me.
1736
01:36:38,462 --> 01:36:39,938
This is what
he's put on my heart.
1737
01:36:39,962 --> 01:36:42,178
This is where he called me,
1738
01:36:42,202 --> 01:36:44,132
and I'm gonna see it through.
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