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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,078 --> 00:00:13,078 -= Subtitles privided by Misiek666 =- 2 00:00:13,102 --> 00:00:16,102 facebook.com/groups/serialoholics 3 00:00:35,802 --> 00:00:39,042 Five minutes. Five minutes, yes. 4 00:02:09,402 --> 00:02:14,762 You're on tour, mostly with old songs. Haven't recorded for a while. 5 00:02:14,922 --> 00:02:18,042 Might you be recording new songs soon? 6 00:02:18,202 --> 00:02:22,322 I'd say yes. I've already made a new a-ha record. 7 00:02:22,482 --> 00:02:27,522 If we'd gone somewhere for three months to make a record. 8 00:02:27,682 --> 00:02:33,762 Locked up and released after three months, then l might have been a believer. 9 00:02:34,322 --> 00:02:38,122 - No. - You don't want to record anything new? 10 00:02:38,282 --> 00:02:40,802 - No. - Why not? 11 00:02:40,962 --> 00:02:44,522 Because it's a hornets nest. 12 00:02:44,682 --> 00:02:49,202 In the end we just wanna bash each other's brains out. 13 00:04:19,562 --> 00:04:25,922 After school there would be a few hours before my parents came from work, 14 00:04:26,082 --> 00:04:28,882 and it would be stereo on, 15 00:04:29,042 --> 00:04:31,082 absolutely cranked. 16 00:04:46,362 --> 00:04:52,282 Anything you liked, you liked it because you saw yourself in that parf, that band. 17 00:04:52,442 --> 00:04:55,242 That was the big escape. 18 00:05:00,962 --> 00:05:05,682 My father was a musician and audio technician at NRK. 19 00:05:05,842 --> 00:05:10,562 Trumpets in the front was the big thing in Norway at the time. 20 00:05:13,162 --> 00:05:19,762 I remember how my father used to practice with his foot on a stool. 21 00:05:22,002 --> 00:05:25,202 There were always instruments around. 22 00:05:25,362 --> 00:05:31,922 So I'd sit down with an instrument. Try to find something. Combine sounds. 23 00:05:32,082 --> 00:05:36,642 It's probably the first image l have of something... 24 00:05:37,922 --> 00:05:40,762 Something l felt an attraction to. 25 00:05:44,402 --> 00:05:49,282 Four years old, l tried out the piano. Started making songs right away. 26 00:05:49,442 --> 00:05:55,882 Suddenly mom comes over to me with slightly forced enthusiasm. 27 00:05:56,042 --> 00:06:00,202 I could tell immediately. She thought it sounded "nice". 28 00:06:00,362 --> 00:06:06,722 Said l was going to get a piano teacher. That was a huge mistake. 29 00:06:12,002 --> 00:06:18,722 I remember riding in the car, five years old, leaning towards the driver's seat. 30 00:06:18,882 --> 00:06:23,362 Singing a typical Norwegian song about spring. 31 00:06:23,522 --> 00:06:27,002 A song with a very wide tonal range. 32 00:06:28,482 --> 00:06:31,602 Suddenly l discovered l had wings. 33 00:06:31,762 --> 00:06:34,522 I had wings on which to sing. 34 00:06:34,682 --> 00:06:38,882 It was just a wonderful feeling. 35 00:06:40,922 --> 00:06:43,442 Yes, sir. 36 00:06:43,602 --> 00:06:46,682 - Really? Uo l need the jacket? - No. 37 00:06:46,842 --> 00:06:48,802 Alright. 38 00:06:48,962 --> 00:06:51,442 I've got it. 39 00:06:55,402 --> 00:07:00,042 I didn't listen to other people. 40 00:07:00,642 --> 00:07:07,002 I had my own, critical voice that drowned out everything else. 41 00:07:07,162 --> 00:07:10,002 That's still how l am. 42 00:07:10,162 --> 00:07:15,602 I listen to other people, but every time someone tries to give me advice... 43 00:07:15,762 --> 00:07:21,042 Nobody has ever orfered me any sensible, practical advice about singing. 44 00:07:33,602 --> 00:07:38,922 I'm extremely hard on myself. It's absolutely devastating. 45 00:07:41,402 --> 00:07:45,442 But there's another concerf the day after tomorrow. 46 00:07:45,602 --> 00:07:47,522 And so on. 47 00:07:47,682 --> 00:07:52,842 As long as there are concerfs left, l can never let my guard down. 48 00:08:04,882 --> 00:08:08,602 Heading home from school l heard noise from a balcony. 49 00:08:08,762 --> 00:08:12,602 It was the first time l actually noticed Paul. 50 00:08:12,762 --> 00:08:18,242 His friend had an organ, and Paul played on drums made from cardboard rolls 51 00:08:18,402 --> 00:08:22,562 with some dirty plastic drumheads on. 52 00:08:22,722 --> 00:08:26,162 Playing a concerf for whoever passed by. 53 00:08:26,322 --> 00:08:31,402 Even though Magne only lived literally 50 yards down the road, 54 00:08:31,562 --> 00:08:35,202 l didn't see him until we were 1 3. 55 00:08:35,362 --> 00:08:40,762 Only when l heard he had an amplifier, we got a bit curious about each other. 56 00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:47,202 Paul and l had a very parallel musical awakening. 57 00:08:47,362 --> 00:08:52,242 We started digging through music history. Uiscovered the b0's. 58 00:09:10,842 --> 00:09:13,682 A cousin of mine went to London. 59 00:09:13,842 --> 00:09:18,842 He returned with an album by Uriah Heep. The sound was awesome. 60 00:09:19,002 --> 00:09:23,882 Musical expression way beyond anything I'd heard before. 61 00:09:33,082 --> 00:09:37,002 I started singing Freddie Mercury stuff. 62 00:09:37,162 --> 00:09:43,442 So he's cerfainly been an imporfant inspiration, something to strive for. 63 00:09:50,042 --> 00:09:55,042 Paul and l raced to get the most Jimi Hendrix records. Think l had 23. 64 00:09:55,202 --> 00:10:00,962 Cerfain bands can amaze you, but you can't copy them. You don't have the same skills. 65 00:10:01,122 --> 00:10:07,602 You can listen to the Beatles and so on. It's too perfect to be really inspired by. 66 00:10:07,762 --> 00:10:13,122 So when you get to Velvet Underground and Joy Division, "Ah, l can do that." 67 00:10:27,442 --> 00:10:32,922 I remember us lying on the grass, talking about the future. 68 00:10:33,082 --> 00:10:36,522 Our bikes lying on the ground beside us. 69 00:10:36,682 --> 00:10:41,162 I said, "When l grow up, I'm gonna be a musician." 70 00:10:41,322 --> 00:10:46,042 Paul later talked about it as a moment where he... 71 00:10:46,202 --> 00:10:52,002 To him it was a radical thought. His parents were more focused on education. 72 00:10:52,162 --> 00:10:55,922 I was lucky because everyone around me 73 00:10:56,082 --> 00:11:00,362 thought of music as something you took seriously. 74 00:11:15,242 --> 00:11:20,362 We were only fifteen. I noticed Magne from day one. 75 00:11:20,522 --> 00:11:26,722 He'd brought a huge Jimi Hendrix poster. Hung it up in the back of the classroom. 76 00:11:28,882 --> 00:11:33,562 He was very charming, funny and completely unafraid. 77 00:11:33,722 --> 00:11:39,842 He played in a band. Pretty soon he wanted everyone to hear it. 78 00:11:40,002 --> 00:11:44,122 This need to show and share has always been there. 79 00:11:45,482 --> 00:11:50,362 I think the very first show we did was me on drums, him on guitar. 80 00:11:50,522 --> 00:11:54,762 We played in his classroom. That was our big first opening. 81 00:11:54,922 --> 00:12:00,082 Which was great, cause every time l hit a drum solo, the girls screamed. 82 00:12:00,242 --> 00:12:04,322 I was like, "Yes, we've arrived!" 83 00:12:05,722 --> 00:12:10,802 I sang and played guitar more or less until my voice broke. 84 00:12:11,962 --> 00:12:17,282 We tried with two guitars for a while. But l felt that it didn't really gel. 85 00:12:17,442 --> 00:12:22,882 And then l came up with the great idea that he should change to keyboards. 86 00:12:24,002 --> 00:12:27,682 Well, it was traumatic. I was a guitar player. 87 00:12:30,682 --> 00:12:34,442 It felt... pretty lousy. 88 00:12:34,602 --> 00:12:40,242 But l was right. He took to it like fish to water. After a couple of rehearsals 89 00:12:40,402 --> 00:12:44,642 he came up with much more sturf than he had on the guitar. 90 00:12:47,162 --> 00:12:52,002 Well, it didn't feel like fish to water. 91 00:12:52,842 --> 00:12:55,722 I felt that l bent to his will. 92 00:12:55,882 --> 00:13:00,642 Because taking the fight would be painful on some level. 93 00:13:00,802 --> 00:13:05,442 And it didn't come easy. I had to change my mindset. 94 00:13:05,602 --> 00:13:11,082 Being a keyboard player was never my dream. 95 00:13:11,242 --> 00:13:14,722 But that was the result, and we made it work. 96 00:13:16,362 --> 00:13:19,642 Alright, shall we try playing it through? 97 00:13:19,802 --> 00:13:25,682 Magne sorf of felt like Paul was his big brother. 98 00:13:25,842 --> 00:13:32,042 He wanted to impress Paul. 99 00:13:32,202 --> 00:13:38,442 He looked up to Paul, both because he was, and still is, a bit older. 100 00:13:38,602 --> 00:13:44,322 But also because of pál's gift as a songwriter. 101 00:13:44,482 --> 00:13:48,802 Magne and Paul's relationship was always very competitive, 102 00:13:48,962 --> 00:13:51,402 but also very productive. 103 00:13:51,562 --> 00:13:55,362 We were very close at the time. 104 00:13:55,522 --> 00:13:59,682 Paul and l were very much in tune with each other, often. 105 00:14:06,522 --> 00:14:11,162 Bridges got started when Viggo Bondi 106 00:14:11,322 --> 00:14:14,682 and Øystein Jevanord became parf of the story. 107 00:14:14,842 --> 00:14:19,402 We started to get ambitions. This would be the band. 108 00:14:33,002 --> 00:14:37,882 I was electrified the first time l heard Paul and Magne's band. 109 00:14:38,042 --> 00:14:40,802 Everything was there. 110 00:14:40,962 --> 00:14:44,722 They needed a singer. I knew they had to discover me. 111 00:14:44,882 --> 00:14:49,802 I had discovered them. I had to wait for them to discover me. 112 00:14:53,042 --> 00:14:56,282 They came to listen to me at Club 7. 113 00:14:56,442 --> 00:15:01,842 They just sat there. l remember how they sat there, just "attending". 114 00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:07,202 I'd heard about Morten Harket. Heard that he had a very good voice. 115 00:15:07,362 --> 00:15:10,282 We were impressed, contacted him. 116 00:15:15,402 --> 00:15:21,802 Magne and l were going the same way home. Paul was going to Manglerud. 117 00:15:21,962 --> 00:15:26,602 We got on a train, but for some reason we had to walk parf of the way. 118 00:15:26,762 --> 00:15:30,762 - It was late in the evening. - Lt was a long walk. 119 00:15:30,922 --> 00:15:35,642 We talked a lot about music. Started to talk about our families. 120 00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:39,402 His biological father, his birfh father, 121 00:15:39,562 --> 00:15:43,442 had died in a plane crash outside Drammen. 122 00:15:43,602 --> 00:15:48,762 "Outside Drammen? When was that? How old were you?" 123 00:15:48,922 --> 00:15:52,002 "I was there, saw that plane go down." 124 00:15:52,162 --> 00:15:58,682 Thc crash is now bcing investigated. The plan was heading for Linköping, 125 00:15:58,842 --> 00:16:03,242 where Bent Sølvc's orchestra was to hold a concert. 126 00:16:03,402 --> 00:16:07,962 My brother was sitting by the window. He spotted the Cessna. 127 00:16:08,122 --> 00:16:13,482 "I think it's in trouble. They're going down!" My father sees it too. 128 00:16:13,642 --> 00:16:17,282 He turns the car around, follows the plane. 129 00:16:17,442 --> 00:16:20,442 We're close by when it happens. 130 00:16:23,842 --> 00:16:28,722 And Magne's father is among those killed in the crash. 131 00:16:29,962 --> 00:16:33,282 So there was like... 132 00:16:33,442 --> 00:16:37,282 A strong sense of destiny the first time we met. 133 00:16:39,282 --> 00:16:42,562 Then he walks home in the night. I go home. 134 00:16:42,722 --> 00:16:47,362 And l don't know if I'll ever talk to him again. 135 00:16:56,922 --> 00:17:03,642 We were really backward at the time. You had to be there to understand. 136 00:17:03,802 --> 00:17:07,842 Nothing had started yet. We were the outskirfs. 137 00:17:08,002 --> 00:17:12,362 Norway has always been dominated by dancehall bands. 138 00:17:12,522 --> 00:17:18,082 It's time Norwegian pop and rock bands get the chance to shine. 139 00:17:18,242 --> 00:17:23,082 Nobody had had any significant international breakthrough. 140 00:17:23,242 --> 00:17:29,082 And it wasn't just pop music. Norway was still in a post-war state. 141 00:17:29,242 --> 00:17:33,722 Hadn't begun to exporf football players or anything else. 142 00:17:33,882 --> 00:17:38,882 How can we get out of Norway? How can we not have to compete 143 00:17:39,042 --> 00:17:43,042 with music that we didn't see any sorf of relation to. 144 00:17:43,202 --> 00:17:47,002 There's nothing here that we listen to. 145 00:17:47,162 --> 00:17:52,122 We were only 15-16 years old when the local newspaper interviewed us. 146 00:17:52,282 --> 00:17:57,042 "We're gonna be international pop stars. Norway's too small for us." 147 00:17:57,202 --> 00:18:02,162 He just wanted to get through high school so he could go to London 148 00:18:02,322 --> 00:18:06,442 and make a living from music. Nobody believed him. 149 00:18:06,602 --> 00:18:09,122 Nobody had done it before. 150 00:18:10,722 --> 00:18:16,802 But Paul and l were the only ones who really believed in that dream. 151 00:18:17,442 --> 00:18:23,442 Magne called. "The two others are staying here, Paul and l are going to England ." 152 00:18:23,602 --> 00:18:26,322 "You wanna come with us?" 153 00:18:26,482 --> 00:18:30,482 "No, l made a deal with Arild. We're going interrailing." 154 00:18:30,642 --> 00:18:34,562 I said l couldn't join them until after summer. 155 00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:40,762 They left, thinking l didn't wanna come. Don't know why they misunderstood me. 156 00:18:40,922 --> 00:18:44,962 To this day l still don't know what they thought l meant. 157 00:18:53,082 --> 00:18:58,802 We went over, were planning to starf a band once we got there. 158 00:18:58,962 --> 00:19:01,722 We were serious. No turning back. 159 00:19:01,882 --> 00:19:05,002 We wouldn't return until we were stars. 160 00:19:48,842 --> 00:19:54,722 The first thing we did when we got there, was put in ads in Melody Maker and NME. 161 00:19:54,882 --> 00:19:57,522 We were looking for a harp player. 162 00:19:57,682 --> 00:20:01,442 There hadn't been a front harpist in pop before. 163 00:20:02,082 --> 00:20:06,322 But we actually found a guy who played electric harp. 164 00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:24,242 We went to a lot of the sorf of Camden clubs, saw a lot of cool bands. 165 00:20:30,882 --> 00:20:35,842 We discovered Soft Cell, which l think was a big influence on us. 166 00:20:39,562 --> 00:20:44,402 Mainly the first six months, we were soaking in, like a learning process. 167 00:20:44,562 --> 00:20:51,042 Tried to ease my guilt from not doing any university that my parents wanted. 168 00:20:51,482 --> 00:20:55,722 We were in a bedsit in London, hoping to show others our songs. 169 00:20:55,882 --> 00:21:00,242 Paul whistling and playing guitar while l played synth. 170 00:21:00,402 --> 00:21:06,242 Everyone who had any sense could see that this was going nowhere. 171 00:21:06,402 --> 00:21:12,562 We had to do something. l said we should go home, get Morten to join the band. 172 00:21:18,322 --> 00:21:23,762 I convinced the band to not return to England at once, but stay in Norway. 173 00:21:23,922 --> 00:21:29,322 To use Norway for the rest of the year. We all had parents we could stay with. 174 00:21:29,482 --> 00:21:33,322 It was the first time I'd talked sense into someone. 175 00:21:33,482 --> 00:21:37,922 I was like the oldest. "This is how we have to do it." 176 00:21:38,082 --> 00:21:42,122 The only reason not to was pál's huge embarrassment 177 00:21:42,282 --> 00:21:45,762 at coming home without having made it. 178 00:21:50,322 --> 00:21:54,242 Music is saying things that can't be said in a sentence. 179 00:21:54,402 --> 00:22:00,162 There's no way you can pinpoint that song, get that vibe in a couple of lines. 180 00:22:01,282 --> 00:22:06,042 I would get obsessed with one thing, it would be all about that, 181 00:22:06,202 --> 00:22:08,522 and nothing else matters. 182 00:22:08,682 --> 00:22:12,602 Pirst it was all painting, but then 183 00:22:12,762 --> 00:22:16,322 l got sidetracked into music and it took over. 184 00:22:21,122 --> 00:22:23,682 My parents were very unhappy 185 00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:27,682 that l was dating this out-of-work musician. 186 00:22:27,842 --> 00:22:32,282 They thought that was terrible. I didn't think they'd make it. 187 00:22:32,442 --> 00:22:36,122 But Paul was so driven. He's like this horse. 188 00:22:36,282 --> 00:22:42,682 These horses where they put the blinders on so they can't see. He had those on. 189 00:22:42,842 --> 00:22:48,122 He could only see two things in his life. One of them, strongly, was music. 190 00:22:48,282 --> 00:22:50,562 And the other was me. 191 00:23:04,042 --> 00:23:06,882 It sounded like crap at first. 192 00:23:11,962 --> 00:23:18,602 It didn't sound promising, to be polite. It didn't have anything we wanted. 193 00:23:18,762 --> 00:23:24,042 Character. lndividuality. Identity. Charm. Nada. 194 00:23:24,202 --> 00:23:27,722 But we held on to the dream about... 195 00:23:27,882 --> 00:23:31,642 That London was the place to be. We had to go there. 196 00:23:37,362 --> 00:23:41,962 We're listening to the radio, watching every pop show on TV. 197 00:23:42,122 --> 00:23:48,762 And got a bit scared. A lot of them were very together. They looked like stars. 198 00:23:54,002 --> 00:23:58,962 We could see that Morten looked great. He had what a lead singer needed. 199 00:23:59,122 --> 00:24:03,962 Had a great voice, was a poser with attitude. 200 00:24:13,082 --> 00:24:18,882 Morten constantly promoted the band. He'd refine his image. 201 00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:23,282 Changed his image almost from one day to the next. 202 00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:34,482 A lot of stash. l was the least stashed up, the most boring guy. 203 00:24:34,642 --> 00:24:37,002 Morten was way over the top. 204 00:24:37,162 --> 00:24:41,802 Used house paint in his hair when he ran out of hairspray. 205 00:24:41,962 --> 00:24:46,762 Played around with his own image a lot, ours too. 206 00:24:46,922 --> 00:24:50,562 He gave Paul a pretty dramatic makeover. 207 00:24:50,722 --> 00:24:56,202 He really dug in. Stripped him, dressed him and put on make-up. 208 00:24:57,962 --> 00:25:01,642 I was bowled over by their enthusiasm. 209 00:25:01,802 --> 00:25:06,162 I hadn't heard a note, hadn't heard a song, anything, but... 210 00:25:06,322 --> 00:25:10,602 They were very dirferent to a lot of the clients 211 00:25:10,762 --> 00:25:13,882 that we'd been having from the punk era. 212 00:25:14,042 --> 00:25:18,882 We booked Rendezvous Studios from John Ratclirf with the money we had left. 213 00:25:19,042 --> 00:25:22,642 He was the first one who had enough faith in us to 214 00:25:22,802 --> 00:25:25,562 put his money where his mouth was. 215 00:25:25,722 --> 00:25:31,242 I really wanted to be involved. l could see the potential of the songwriting. 216 00:25:31,402 --> 00:25:36,882 The way Mags came up with so many great tunes and great melodies 217 00:25:37,042 --> 00:25:40,522 in addition to the songwriting of Paul. 218 00:25:40,682 --> 00:25:45,362 Morten's voice on the top was the icing on the cake. 219 00:25:45,522 --> 00:25:51,162 After a while John got in touch with Terry Slater, who'd been with EMI. 220 00:25:51,322 --> 00:25:55,282 He wanted to show him who we were. 221 00:25:55,442 --> 00:25:59,722 He'd signed up everyone from Oueen to Sex pistols, 222 00:25:59,882 --> 00:26:04,322 and he had a very sorf of old-school ear for tunes, 223 00:26:04,482 --> 00:26:06,442 that l responded to. 224 00:26:21,242 --> 00:26:25,562 Back then getting a recording deal was the eye of the needle. 225 00:26:25,722 --> 00:26:28,562 And Terry only told us the good news. 226 00:26:28,722 --> 00:26:32,322 So we thought, "Why are we at this point?" 227 00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:38,402 Things were happening around the corner. "You'll be so busy you'll miss this time." 228 00:26:38,562 --> 00:26:43,722 So we were just sitting there hoping. "When are we gonna get busy?" 229 00:26:43,882 --> 00:26:48,522 You need real balls to get through it. To keep believing. 230 00:26:48,682 --> 00:26:52,802 Because most people don't. Don't want to believe. 231 00:26:52,962 --> 00:26:58,442 There were setbacks all the time. But in letters and phone calls to home, 232 00:26:58,602 --> 00:27:02,682 it was always about new opporfunities opening up. 233 00:27:02,842 --> 00:27:08,082 If we landed a meeting with some completely insignificant person, 234 00:27:08,242 --> 00:27:12,282 it was painted as, "This is the big break!" 235 00:27:13,122 --> 00:27:16,522 We didn't have a plan B. Because plan B... 236 00:27:16,682 --> 00:27:20,162 You've already started doubting plan A. 237 00:27:21,722 --> 00:27:25,282 We must have spent at least two years thinking... 238 00:27:25,442 --> 00:27:29,722 "Okay, that didn't work. Remember that thing next week." 239 00:27:29,882 --> 00:27:33,602 "Meeting this person. He knows Elton John." 240 00:27:33,762 --> 00:27:38,322 We could see it in the way we lived. Started in Linden Gardens, 241 00:27:38,482 --> 00:27:42,642 in Notting Hill Gate, then it was Willesden Green. 242 00:27:42,802 --> 00:27:48,642 We took a step down each time we moved. Not because we didn't like the wallpaper. 243 00:27:48,802 --> 00:27:52,002 We needed a place without wallpaper! 244 00:27:52,162 --> 00:27:57,042 We lived below the poverfy line for a while because we could, 245 00:27:57,202 --> 00:28:01,522 because we wanted to, because we felt we had to. 246 00:28:01,682 --> 00:28:08,002 I mean, we had our moments with porridge. I don't think we even thought about it. 247 00:28:08,162 --> 00:28:12,162 We couldn't ask for more money. So we lied. 248 00:28:12,962 --> 00:28:16,322 We went to Uecca. They turned us down. 249 00:28:16,482 --> 00:28:20,402 And we celebrated since they'd turned down The Beatles too. 250 00:28:20,562 --> 00:28:25,602 I think it got sent to three, four or five record companies. 251 00:28:25,762 --> 00:28:31,082 Parf of it was acting like more people were interested than was the case. 252 00:28:31,242 --> 00:28:36,682 I think Warner Brothers were the only ones who believed in it. 253 00:28:46,682 --> 00:28:52,922 The time after signing the contract was frustrating. We made little progress. 254 00:28:53,082 --> 00:28:58,362 The thing that took much longer than getting a deal, was getting that producer. 255 00:28:58,522 --> 00:29:03,122 You know, we had a hard enough time figuring out what a producer did. 256 00:29:03,282 --> 00:29:06,322 We ended up with Tony Mansfield. 257 00:29:08,802 --> 00:29:13,042 He changed everything. But he did really cool sturf. 258 00:29:13,202 --> 00:29:16,682 He was a genius with computers. 259 00:29:16,842 --> 00:29:20,082 Absolutely mind-blowing. lt was cool. 260 00:29:26,722 --> 00:29:32,122 I wrote the riff on Take On Me at the age of 14-15 years. 261 00:30:01,122 --> 00:30:05,882 Paul responded negatively. It sounded "too commercial". 262 00:30:06,042 --> 00:30:11,682 Called it The Juicy Fruit Song because it reminded us of the commercial. 263 00:30:11,842 --> 00:30:14,562 It took many dirferent shapes. 264 00:30:39,482 --> 00:30:41,922 We had a version of Take On Me 265 00:30:42,082 --> 00:30:46,082 with like rooster-crowing in the middle of it. 266 00:30:46,242 --> 00:30:48,922 We thought it was brilliant. 267 00:30:51,322 --> 00:30:55,402 In hindsight maybe it wasn't what put us on the map. 268 00:30:55,562 --> 00:31:00,282 Coming to London, that's when l really started to hate that chorus. 269 00:31:10,002 --> 00:31:13,282 I think Terry said it. He'd worked with Oueen. 270 00:31:13,442 --> 00:31:16,122 "If you have a falsetto, it's a hit." 271 00:31:16,282 --> 00:31:21,602 And Morten had a wonderful falsetto. So l thought that could be a cool thing. 272 00:31:21,762 --> 00:31:25,922 Just to show orf his range a bit. 273 00:31:26,082 --> 00:31:30,562 Every song you have a verse, then you want to hit that money note. 274 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:33,562 I thought it would be cool to instead 275 00:31:33,722 --> 00:31:39,802 just starf at the lowest note you can hit and build your way up from there. 276 00:31:59,922 --> 00:32:04,482 They mostly stay in England, the group that's become famous 277 00:32:04,642 --> 00:32:11,322 before releasing a single song. You think you can become superstars with some help 278 00:32:11,482 --> 00:32:15,082 from your record company and manager? - Yeah. 279 00:32:26,842 --> 00:32:30,762 Tony Mansfield changed much of what we were. 280 00:32:30,922 --> 00:32:35,282 I end up standing there all alone, hips, shoulders, blue eyes. 281 00:32:40,482 --> 00:32:47,442 I think they were worried we'd alienate the female members of the audience. 282 00:32:47,602 --> 00:32:51,362 They tried to make us look a little extra macho. 283 00:32:51,522 --> 00:32:57,042 Three terrified teenagers with loads of semi-naked women bouncing about. 284 00:32:57,562 --> 00:33:04,682 It came to a head with a version of Take On Me that we feel isn't there. 285 00:33:24,322 --> 00:33:28,842 Had we just wasted the opporfunity, like? 286 00:33:30,402 --> 00:33:35,722 We'd used up all our money. lnterest in the project was already waning. 287 00:33:35,882 --> 00:33:38,842 The record company was about to give up. 288 00:33:39,002 --> 00:33:44,682 But there was a strong feeling in the band that we could do it much better. 289 00:33:45,242 --> 00:33:49,042 And ended up in studio with Alan Tarney. 290 00:33:49,202 --> 00:33:54,282 A-ha's original demo of Take On Me was the right approach. 291 00:33:54,442 --> 00:33:59,122 So l just recreated that in the best way l possibly could. 292 00:33:59,282 --> 00:34:02,322 We finished Take On Me in one day. 293 00:34:02,482 --> 00:34:08,962 And cause l was so busy with other things, l didn't think what would happen to it. 294 00:34:09,122 --> 00:34:12,482 It was just another record. That was that. 295 00:34:12,642 --> 00:34:16,922 I was the one who fought for that song in the band. 296 00:34:17,082 --> 00:34:22,042 I was the one who really believed in it. "This is a worldwide hit." 297 00:34:22,202 --> 00:34:27,882 And I'd never thought like that. Never thought, "Uo we have a hit?" 298 00:34:28,922 --> 00:34:32,722 I took the tape to the record company, all alone. 299 00:34:32,882 --> 00:34:35,842 Played it. "This is how it has to be." 300 00:34:53,962 --> 00:34:59,282 And our luck was that they'd just hired a guy called Jerf Ayerorf. 301 00:34:59,442 --> 00:35:05,202 I thought, "This isn't normal rock & roll or pop music. This is something else." 302 00:35:05,362 --> 00:35:09,602 A kind of synchronicity happens. l have this animator in the back of my head. 303 00:35:09,762 --> 00:35:16,282 "Here's this band. Kind of interesting. Who do l trust who's done videos for me," 304 00:35:16,442 --> 00:35:21,042 "has a ferfile mind and can technologically deal with this?" 305 00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:23,242 "Steve Barron." 306 00:35:24,842 --> 00:35:28,842 I met the guys, sat down and talked about the concept. 307 00:35:29,002 --> 00:35:33,242 I remember they were put in some tiny little hostel. 308 00:35:33,402 --> 00:35:37,602 Even though massive amounts were being spent on the video. 309 00:35:37,762 --> 00:35:43,282 I remember thinking, even telling Morten, "You'll look back at this, and think..." 310 00:35:43,442 --> 00:35:46,282 "We were in that little place." 311 00:35:46,442 --> 00:35:50,162 "If it worked out, we'd never be in a place like that again." 312 00:36:10,082 --> 00:36:13,682 I remember one time we went to Venice Beach. 313 00:36:13,842 --> 00:36:19,282 Then you really got the feeling. You'd walk down that beach and hear the song. 314 00:36:19,442 --> 00:36:23,442 Like from one transistor radio to another. 315 00:36:23,602 --> 00:36:27,602 No matter what channel you went to, it would be there. 316 00:36:28,722 --> 00:36:32,922 Late yesterday evening, the Norwegian pop band a-ha 317 00:36:33,082 --> 00:36:36,282 reached the top of the pop charf in the US. 318 00:36:36,442 --> 00:36:42,242 Pirst one of the top records in the world at the moment. No. 1 in five countries. 319 00:36:42,402 --> 00:36:45,842 No. 2 in Britain. A-ha, Take On Me! 320 00:36:46,002 --> 00:36:51,682 To the best of my knowledge, the first Norwegian group to make it big worldwide. 321 00:36:59,602 --> 00:37:02,202 We want a-ha! 322 00:37:17,282 --> 00:37:19,682 A-ha, Take On Me. 323 00:37:20,202 --> 00:37:22,042 A-ha! 324 00:37:54,802 --> 00:37:57,562 Manhattan, the heart of NYC. 325 00:37:57,722 --> 00:38:01,802 Their schedule is packed, but we get to meet two of them. 326 00:38:01,962 --> 00:38:07,322 - Today you're in New York. And tomorrow? - Los Angeles. 327 00:38:07,482 --> 00:38:10,162 And then go on a world tour? 328 00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:15,762 We'll pop by Norway before going to England, then Australia and Japan. 329 00:38:35,522 --> 00:38:38,762 Suddenly we were going to Australia, 330 00:38:38,922 --> 00:38:42,402 with thousands of people at the airporf at 3 a.m. 331 00:38:42,562 --> 00:38:48,842 We had no idea that would happen. ln Japan, they had security on every floor. 332 00:40:52,482 --> 00:40:56,722 I was singled out from the band by the media. 333 00:40:56,882 --> 00:40:59,362 Plung out on my own. 334 00:40:59,522 --> 00:41:05,842 Had to stand in a cascade that never ended. 335 00:41:06,002 --> 00:41:08,442 That l had to relate to. 336 00:41:08,602 --> 00:41:10,602 We're not a band for the press. 337 00:41:10,762 --> 00:41:15,602 So l did very little band-related sturf for a long time. 338 00:41:15,762 --> 00:41:21,282 Because there was nothing but this eternal crescendo of noise. 339 00:41:26,602 --> 00:41:29,642 Glasses? Jacket? 340 00:41:35,882 --> 00:41:38,002 - Beautiful. - Thank you. 341 00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:40,722 Can l have a picture together? 342 00:41:43,602 --> 00:41:45,722 Okay, thank you. 343 00:41:47,442 --> 00:41:49,922 Danke schón. 344 00:41:51,962 --> 00:41:53,802 Danke sehr. 345 00:42:05,402 --> 00:42:08,162 Here comes Sebastian's... 346 00:42:09,402 --> 00:42:11,842 Remedy. 347 00:42:12,002 --> 00:42:17,682 One of the defences against... The flu for example. 348 00:42:25,442 --> 00:42:27,482 This is... 349 00:42:29,402 --> 00:42:34,762 My cocoon when we're on the road. I like it a lot better than flying. 350 00:42:37,242 --> 00:42:39,762 It's the only quiet place. 351 00:42:41,682 --> 00:42:43,722 It's vital to me. 352 00:42:54,042 --> 00:42:58,562 And all creatures, people and animals, 353 00:42:58,722 --> 00:43:04,322 spend a lot of time on restitution, finding a private corner where they can 354 00:43:04,482 --> 00:43:07,322 prepare to step out again. 355 00:43:07,482 --> 00:43:12,242 To be yourself. The way you feel you're composed. 356 00:43:12,402 --> 00:43:14,962 You don't have many sanctuaries 357 00:43:15,122 --> 00:43:19,842 when everyone knows who you are. They're gone. 358 00:43:20,002 --> 00:43:24,122 That's when a cocoon like this becomes essential. 359 00:43:28,682 --> 00:43:30,722 Yes. 360 00:43:35,762 --> 00:43:37,802 Here we go. 361 00:43:41,202 --> 00:43:44,722 - Four of them. - Four innocent victims. 362 00:43:49,722 --> 00:43:52,242 - Hello. - Hi. 363 00:43:52,402 --> 00:43:56,762 - Hello. - Hi. How are you? 364 00:43:56,922 --> 00:44:00,642 - My name... is Alexandra. - Alexandra? 365 00:44:01,682 --> 00:44:06,162 I wish you a pleasant stay in Berlin. 366 00:44:06,322 --> 00:44:09,282 Thank you. 367 00:44:09,442 --> 00:44:14,402 - I'm a huge fan of you guys. - Yeah. 368 00:44:14,562 --> 00:44:17,842 - Are you sure? - Yes! 369 00:44:18,842 --> 00:44:22,682 I have presents for you. Prom my home town, potsdam. 370 00:44:22,842 --> 00:44:26,762 It's near Berlin. It's very near, potsdam. 371 00:44:27,802 --> 00:44:31,602 - It's for you. - L got a heavier... 372 00:44:31,762 --> 00:44:35,922 - l wonder what that means. - Like with our hotel rooms. 373 00:44:36,082 --> 00:44:40,402 He gets the big one, l get the middle one, Paul gets the small one. 374 00:44:40,562 --> 00:44:43,962 The story of our life. 375 00:44:44,122 --> 00:44:49,562 I think they view me as the least intellectual. l get a big book to work on. 376 00:44:59,762 --> 00:45:04,562 In many ways it was comfy that Morten got the attention. 377 00:45:04,722 --> 00:45:10,482 Because Paul and l didn't really crave the sorf of attention that Morten got. 378 00:45:10,642 --> 00:45:16,322 Por me that was a heaven-send. Cause l was... Social angst up to eleven. 379 00:45:16,482 --> 00:45:22,762 So for me... The more they could take, that was a good thing for me. 380 00:45:22,962 --> 00:45:26,362 I didn't have a lot of ambitions in that direction. 381 00:45:26,522 --> 00:45:31,562 That wasn't my medium. That's not where l could show people what l could do. 382 00:45:31,722 --> 00:45:34,482 My first concerf was Echo & the Bunnymen. 383 00:45:34,642 --> 00:45:39,602 And they stood the whole show with their back against the audience. 384 00:45:39,762 --> 00:45:44,522 I thought it was fantastic. l should've been in one of those bands. 385 00:45:44,682 --> 00:45:48,922 But l ended up in one of the most visible. 386 00:45:49,082 --> 00:45:53,162 Driven by videos and looks and everything. 387 00:46:00,162 --> 00:46:05,042 I got that parf l never thought l would. I thought I'd be in the dark 388 00:46:05,202 --> 00:46:08,802 with a flashing light, doing moody songs. 389 00:46:08,962 --> 00:46:15,682 It took me about 25 years to figure out. "How do l handle all this sturf?" 390 00:46:15,842 --> 00:46:19,122 I'm very thinly skinned on a lot of things. 391 00:46:19,282 --> 00:46:22,242 I never feel l can sorf of relax. 392 00:46:22,402 --> 00:46:26,002 It's almost like my brain... 393 00:46:26,162 --> 00:46:30,922 lt's... l move myself out of the thing. If I'm doing an interview, 394 00:46:31,082 --> 00:46:34,762 I'm sitting there watching myself, wondering 395 00:46:34,922 --> 00:46:38,082 what stupid things I'm gonna do next. 396 00:46:38,242 --> 00:46:42,482 I can't be in the moment. It's tiring, you know. 397 00:47:56,882 --> 00:48:02,402 On Scoundrel Days, we had a unique production situation. We were on tour 398 00:48:02,562 --> 00:48:05,802 while demos and so on were being made. 399 00:48:05,962 --> 00:48:11,042 So we did a lot on our own in dirferent studios around the world. 400 00:48:11,202 --> 00:48:14,402 Worked during soundchecks, in hotel rooms... 401 00:48:14,562 --> 00:48:19,682 We wanted a darker hue on this album. And also a bit more ambitious 402 00:48:19,842 --> 00:48:25,522 of what you put together. We had Manhattan Skyline, two songs put together. 403 00:48:25,682 --> 00:48:30,362 Same thing with Scoundrel Days. October, which was a dirferent colour. 404 00:48:32,202 --> 00:48:36,322 There were a lot of ideas happening. Too many, in a way. 405 00:48:36,482 --> 00:48:40,242 So it wasn't so clear-cut who was in charge. 406 00:48:40,402 --> 00:48:45,162 It wasn't me. lt wasn't them, necessarily. It was give and take. 407 00:48:45,322 --> 00:48:51,162 So it wasn't so easy musically to arrive at a finished recording. 408 00:48:53,002 --> 00:48:58,082 Uh... Just one thing. "You're hissing your s's like a snake." 409 00:48:58,242 --> 00:49:00,202 - Remember the tune? - No. 410 00:49:13,162 --> 00:49:17,602 Maybe it's better to leave that parf until the next verse? 411 00:49:19,242 --> 00:49:24,242 That was a thing with Lauren. She was shocked when l took her to the studio. 412 00:49:24,402 --> 00:49:27,922 And l was the biggest pain in the ass, 413 00:49:28,082 --> 00:49:32,202 bossy guy, leaning over everybody's shoulder. 414 00:49:32,362 --> 00:49:38,042 If l hear something in my head that I'm trying to get, l have super-confidence. 415 00:49:38,202 --> 00:49:43,362 Especially Paul, he wanted to go down in the Rock & Roll Hall of Pame, 416 00:49:43,522 --> 00:49:46,242 become a legend in the music business. 417 00:49:46,402 --> 00:49:50,442 And he was capable of it. Nothing would stop him. 418 00:49:50,602 --> 00:49:56,802 A-ha gave him the opporfunity to make these records that he wanted to make. 419 00:49:56,962 --> 00:49:59,682 He was very powerful in the studio. 420 00:49:59,842 --> 00:50:03,562 Tremendous presence in the studio, musically. 421 00:50:03,722 --> 00:50:09,442 So he was, l suppose, dictating more than anyone else the direction of a-ha. 422 00:50:18,522 --> 00:50:22,882 The way we worked, you had to have a lot worked out beforehand. 423 00:50:23,042 --> 00:50:27,962 Because it wasn't like a band on the floor. You had to work it out 424 00:50:28,122 --> 00:50:34,002 before you started, or the whole thing would fall aparf. That was my job. 425 00:50:34,162 --> 00:50:39,522 That's not how l saw the situation. We were all trying to take the wheel. 426 00:50:39,682 --> 00:50:45,082 He says l was never a band leader? I don't think that's accurate. 427 00:50:45,242 --> 00:50:49,362 Instead of "can't you see", try "plain for all to see". 428 00:50:49,522 --> 00:50:52,682 - "Plain..."? - "plain for all to see". 429 00:50:56,122 --> 00:50:59,162 "Any or anyone can see". 430 00:51:00,482 --> 00:51:05,082 - Want a pen? - Lsn't it easier with just "anyone"? 431 00:51:05,242 --> 00:51:07,322 "Anyone can see"? 432 00:51:09,722 --> 00:51:13,522 - Yay! Here we go again. - Going again? 433 00:51:13,682 --> 00:51:15,522 Where's my coach? 434 00:51:22,402 --> 00:51:24,282 Very close. 435 00:51:25,642 --> 00:51:28,762 I had a pretty neat tone there. 436 00:51:57,882 --> 00:51:59,962 Sounds a bit awkward. 437 00:52:19,002 --> 00:52:23,442 One of the main conflicts with the record company 438 00:52:23,602 --> 00:52:29,362 was that we insisted on releasing Manhattan Skyline as a single. 439 00:52:29,522 --> 00:52:32,442 We pointed to Bohemian Rhapsody. 440 00:52:32,602 --> 00:52:36,842 It had to be possible to try out songs in other formats. 441 00:52:37,002 --> 00:52:41,202 But for us it was imporfant to release it as a single. 442 00:52:41,362 --> 00:52:45,082 It revealed musical ambitions of the band that we 443 00:52:45,242 --> 00:52:47,842 felt had been overlooked. 444 00:52:48,602 --> 00:52:50,842 That we weren't a carfoon band. 445 00:53:43,122 --> 00:53:46,842 The result was that we lost the US. 446 00:53:47,002 --> 00:53:52,162 And it haunted us for a long time. We wanted to win back the US. 447 00:53:57,202 --> 00:53:59,762 Yeah. Wait a minute here. 448 00:53:59,922 --> 00:54:04,762 - Okay, I'm ready. - Waste a couple of rounds. Are you ready? 449 00:54:04,922 --> 00:54:08,642 I'm ready. Let's just go. I gotta get this thing. 450 00:54:10,322 --> 00:54:12,602 That's good. Good. 451 00:54:15,682 --> 00:54:19,882 Okay, last ones. I'm gonna have you coming at my camera. 452 00:54:20,042 --> 00:54:23,562 Come towards me, Morten. Look at me, guys. 453 00:54:23,722 --> 00:54:27,322 This is the final one. Beautiful there. Go on. 454 00:54:27,482 --> 00:54:30,922 Can you just... You looked away from me. 455 00:54:31,082 --> 00:54:35,082 There, there, there! Beautiful that. 456 00:54:36,042 --> 00:54:41,162 I've gotta bring three guys together that sometimes don't want to. 457 00:54:41,322 --> 00:54:46,482 But sometimes they do wanna be together. Then they don't wanna be together. 458 00:54:46,642 --> 00:54:52,082 It's hard as a photographer when people don't wanna be together in a picture. 459 00:54:57,202 --> 00:55:00,762 Smile! Can you do it one more time? 460 00:55:00,922 --> 00:55:03,242 One more time! Come on. 461 00:55:03,402 --> 00:55:09,082 I guess that's it. Alright. Okay, l got it. Thank you! 462 00:55:43,482 --> 00:55:45,442 I can't do this. 463 00:55:45,602 --> 00:55:51,642 I'm just whining up there all the time. I can't do this. There's no fucking break. 464 00:55:51,802 --> 00:55:57,522 It's my voice at the same level all the way. Don't tell me it sounds good. 465 00:55:57,682 --> 00:56:04,162 We've been through this. This was the first song everyone was pleased with. 466 00:56:04,322 --> 00:56:08,522 That's bullshit, Lars. My point remains exactly the same. 467 00:56:08,682 --> 00:56:10,922 I can't sit here whining. 468 00:56:11,082 --> 00:56:16,922 I mean, that's why l don't want it. Because it's high-range, no breaks. 469 00:56:17,082 --> 00:56:22,162 My voice all the time. I'll drop out because I'm so sick of my own voice. 470 00:56:25,122 --> 00:56:27,602 - But... - ls it the key? 471 00:56:27,762 --> 00:56:32,042 It's just me, me. All the time. I don't think it sounds good. 472 00:56:32,202 --> 00:56:35,082 I've no impulse to sing it. 473 00:56:35,242 --> 00:56:40,122 - That's not a very constructive statement. - Lt is. 474 00:56:40,282 --> 00:56:44,402 No, Lars. Don't try to gloss over my main point. 475 00:56:44,562 --> 00:56:50,042 Which is that l don't want to sing that high throughout the song without a break. 476 00:56:50,202 --> 00:56:53,602 But the song hasn't changed for 30 years. 477 00:56:53,762 --> 00:56:59,562 - That's why I'm sceptical about doing it. - L didn't know that. 478 00:57:01,082 --> 00:57:06,762 I suggested lowering it an octave. Constructive input. 479 00:57:06,922 --> 00:57:11,562 If Paul and the girls sing "l don't wanna cry again..." 480 00:57:13,322 --> 00:57:17,722 - You come in at "Oh, but how..." - Yeah, that's a big dirference. 481 00:57:42,482 --> 00:57:48,442 I think everyone who works with us ends up exhausted from working with us. 482 00:57:48,602 --> 00:57:54,042 And then there's a tug of war, grinding of teeth, 483 00:57:54,202 --> 00:57:57,922 dirfy looks and plenty of reluctance. 484 00:58:29,002 --> 00:58:33,402 When we made the Bond song, John Barry was the producer. 485 00:58:33,562 --> 00:58:39,682 It turned out that he had to be included as songwriter. We hadn't been informed. 486 00:58:39,842 --> 00:58:43,922 There were a few chords in that song l was parficularly fond of 487 00:58:44,082 --> 00:58:47,282 that he wiped out in the string arrangement. 488 00:58:47,442 --> 00:58:53,202 So we manipulated the 80-piece orchestra to play another note than what he put in. 489 00:58:53,362 --> 00:58:55,602 I think it pissed him orf. 490 00:58:55,762 --> 00:58:59,282 In one interview he called them "Nazi Jugend". 491 00:58:59,442 --> 00:59:02,602 I'm afraid so, yes. 492 00:59:02,762 --> 00:59:07,202 That's what he said to me. So he felt it very strongly. 493 00:59:07,362 --> 00:59:10,122 Right. Must we get into it? 494 00:59:10,282 --> 00:59:15,882 He encountered a band that had a great deal of self-confidence. 495 00:59:16,042 --> 00:59:19,042 He was used to being the dictator, l think. 496 00:59:19,202 --> 00:59:21,802 Our general rule was that 497 00:59:21,962 --> 00:59:25,722 we simply ignored everything that was said. 498 00:59:26,922 --> 00:59:29,242 We nodded and smiled, 499 00:59:29,402 --> 00:59:33,882 and fundamentally disagreed about everything. 500 01:00:52,482 --> 01:00:57,562 With Stay On These Roads, l felt I'd written an imporfant song for a-ha. 501 01:00:57,722 --> 01:01:02,202 I ran orf to Paul to show it to him. 502 01:01:02,362 --> 01:01:07,482 But he was busy on the phone. By chance, Morten was sitting there. 503 01:01:07,642 --> 01:01:13,002 So l showed it to him first, which was unusual in a-ha at the time. 504 01:01:13,562 --> 01:01:16,762 He asked me, "What would you do here?" 505 01:01:16,922 --> 01:01:20,362 So l sang "sail on" or something. 506 01:01:28,762 --> 01:01:33,722 Then Paul comes in from the room next door, clapping his hands. 507 01:01:33,882 --> 01:01:38,042 I sat up all night alone, finishing the demo, 508 01:01:38,202 --> 01:01:44,402 with full instrumentation, which was used as it was when we recorded it. 509 01:01:46,402 --> 01:01:49,682 On the third album we tried to be more poppy. 510 01:01:49,842 --> 01:01:52,602 Thinking like we did in the starf, 511 01:01:52,762 --> 01:01:56,922 with sturf that didn't end up on the first album, like Touchy. 512 01:01:57,082 --> 01:02:02,522 I think Paul convinced himself that for commercial reasons, 513 01:02:02,682 --> 01:02:08,482 we needed a smarfer approach. That's what he thought, l suspect. 514 01:02:08,642 --> 01:02:11,842 We were told that we had "the disease". 515 01:02:12,002 --> 01:02:15,322 "They'll destroy everything they've created ." 516 01:02:15,482 --> 01:02:20,682 "Because they're uncomforfable with their image or how people see them." 517 01:02:20,842 --> 01:02:23,282 The first nail in the corfin. 518 01:02:34,922 --> 01:02:38,082 We wanted to write new hits. 519 01:02:38,242 --> 01:02:43,642 But we didn't necessarily want to turn our backs on Scoundrel Days. 520 01:02:43,802 --> 01:02:46,602 We wanted to hold on to our success. 521 01:02:51,122 --> 01:02:55,162 The songs are nice. But the videos are horrible. 522 01:03:00,962 --> 01:03:07,042 People might have a dirferent image of what a-ha really is than l do. 523 01:03:07,642 --> 01:03:11,242 - Hi! We're a-ha! - One more time. 524 01:03:12,162 --> 01:03:15,122 Hi there! We're a-ha! 525 01:03:15,762 --> 01:03:22,242 We ended up wrapped in packaging. "Don't worry. lt'll pass." We were wrong. 526 01:03:22,402 --> 01:03:28,082 And we remained exposed in a way that none of us could identify with at all. 527 01:03:28,242 --> 01:03:33,602 Were very naive about what we had to protect, what was unique about us. 528 01:03:33,762 --> 01:03:36,282 We just went with the flow. 529 01:03:36,442 --> 01:03:40,602 And it's nobody else's fault that we became a teen band. 530 01:03:40,762 --> 01:03:46,282 We posed for all the shoots. No matter how cheesy we thought it was, we turned up. 531 01:03:46,442 --> 01:03:51,642 Let ourselves be photographed in the most humiliating settings. 532 01:03:58,242 --> 01:04:02,442 What would a-ha have been without Morten Harket's 533 01:04:02,602 --> 01:04:06,162 gorgeous body and handsome face? 534 01:04:06,322 --> 01:04:13,602 We would've avoided a lot of problems. I mean, I'm born like this. 535 01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:15,922 I've never worked out. 536 01:04:16,082 --> 01:04:19,802 It's not easy to accept that sorf of attention. 537 01:04:19,962 --> 01:04:24,762 - Would you strip to the waist for me? - Sure, if you did the same. 538 01:04:34,922 --> 01:04:36,522 Anything else? 539 01:05:33,042 --> 01:05:36,522 If we're gonna make it clear to the record company, 540 01:05:36,682 --> 01:05:41,282 "Don't book us ever again to that fucking popcorn Magazine." 541 01:05:41,442 --> 01:05:45,122 "This album will force you to think dirferently about the band ." 542 01:06:06,642 --> 01:06:10,762 The pendulum swung way over in the opposite direction. 543 01:06:10,922 --> 01:06:16,242 We tried to become a band we weren't. I was against it all the time. 544 01:06:37,922 --> 01:06:43,522 We were flirfing with U2-ish sturf. Were trying to show something dirferent. 545 01:06:43,682 --> 01:06:49,922 But it comes from the wrong place, that's the problem. lt's not honest enough. 546 01:06:50,082 --> 01:06:53,842 Because there's this dishonesty seeping in. 547 01:06:54,002 --> 01:06:58,162 Which is about what we shouldn't do. 548 01:06:59,042 --> 01:07:03,362 So a heavy hand guided everything in the choice of songs, 549 01:07:03,522 --> 01:07:06,962 in the development and recording of the songs. 550 01:07:07,842 --> 01:07:13,402 I remember a dirferent vibe. We were sick of our teenybopper status at that point. 551 01:07:13,562 --> 01:07:20,282 Those albums challenged how the band was perceived, gave us a much richer history. 552 01:07:20,882 --> 01:07:24,202 The 80's way of making albums was on the way out. 553 01:07:24,362 --> 01:07:28,082 I really felt that that was not gonna work. 554 01:07:31,082 --> 01:07:36,722 Paul and l agreed on the direction for East Of The Sun. After touring live, 555 01:07:36,882 --> 01:07:41,362 we wanted to get back to our roots with a band in studio. 556 01:07:41,522 --> 01:07:47,882 So we settled into the largest studio in Abbey Road for several months. 557 01:08:15,562 --> 01:08:20,002 Lately I've learnt a lot l should've learned a decade ago. 558 01:08:20,162 --> 01:08:22,962 We were naive in the beginning. 559 01:08:23,122 --> 01:08:29,162 - We thought we could just be famous first. - Lt's given us lots of problems. 560 01:08:29,322 --> 01:08:32,602 We haven't steered our career where we wanted. 561 01:08:35,002 --> 01:08:40,762 Is it possible to be more successful? You even set a world record. 562 01:08:40,922 --> 01:08:44,842 - How many came to the concerf in Rio? - Lt was packed. 563 01:08:45,002 --> 01:08:48,642 Wasn't it almost 200,000? How can you top that? 564 01:08:50,882 --> 01:08:54,042 - That's not what it's about. - No? 565 01:08:54,202 --> 01:08:57,402 We feel we're just at the starfing line. 566 01:08:57,562 --> 01:09:03,042 We want to leave a body of work we can be proud of, that's worfh something. 567 01:09:26,762 --> 01:09:31,522 I'm rarely satisfied or feel at ease with what l hear on stage. 568 01:09:31,682 --> 01:09:37,282 The playtulness that comes when you feel at ease is very special. 569 01:09:37,442 --> 01:09:42,602 It's something l often miss on stage, on tour, getting there. 570 01:09:45,442 --> 01:09:50,202 The guy who mixes what l hear... 571 01:09:51,602 --> 01:09:55,522 He gets two hours of discontent every evening. 572 01:09:58,842 --> 01:10:02,802 I use a wide register, and many acoustic criteria 573 01:10:02,962 --> 01:10:08,762 have to be met in order to actually stay in touch with what you're doing. 574 01:10:08,922 --> 01:10:12,762 And I'm extremely demanding in that sense. 575 01:10:12,922 --> 01:10:17,082 Could we... take a break with that? I need to focus here. 576 01:10:41,402 --> 01:10:45,002 He's got better at saying "this was good". 577 01:10:45,162 --> 01:10:50,162 It used to be impossible for him to be pleased with a concerf. 578 01:10:50,322 --> 01:10:53,082 He was never happy. And of course 579 01:10:53,242 --> 01:10:59,122 this drains the energy from the people around him. 580 01:10:59,282 --> 01:11:05,482 I'm exhausted. Too many repetitions of the same sturf. I'm howling all the time. 581 01:11:05,642 --> 01:11:09,042 So it's making me a century older. 582 01:11:10,282 --> 01:11:16,482 That's when it starfs to bite. lt's not good for your mind or your voice. 583 01:11:16,642 --> 01:11:19,402 That's life for a singer. 584 01:11:20,082 --> 01:11:23,242 It's easy to say, "Relax, don't worry." 585 01:11:23,802 --> 01:11:28,282 It's like sending a downhill racer out on the slope blindfolded. 586 01:11:28,442 --> 01:11:32,722 If you don't have good sound, it can easily go wrong. 587 01:11:43,282 --> 01:11:48,202 We've never performed our songs like this. So it's all new. 588 01:11:48,362 --> 01:11:53,802 But people know the songs, and that's what creates a connection. 589 01:11:53,962 --> 01:11:57,682 We have some catalogue sturf we've rarely played. 590 01:11:57,842 --> 01:12:01,242 My worry is that it'll be too... 591 01:12:01,402 --> 01:12:07,722 That it's too nice and orderly, with lots of neat transitions, that kinda sturf. 592 01:12:07,882 --> 01:12:12,042 - Sturf that makes me fall asleep. - Like what? 593 01:12:12,202 --> 01:12:17,602 - It's a general problem. - The arrangements are all so elaborate. 594 01:12:17,762 --> 01:12:20,162 There's no... 595 01:12:20,962 --> 01:12:26,922 Yeah, l get the point. Know the feeling. But l think much of it sounds okay. 596 01:12:27,082 --> 01:12:32,562 Everything sounds okay. That's not it. But maybe iron out the details. 597 01:12:32,722 --> 01:12:35,522 Can we just add Sox Of The Pox there? 598 01:12:35,682 --> 01:12:38,442 - Your call. - Before Memorial, yeah. 599 01:12:41,602 --> 01:12:45,042 Paul has a knack of getting his way. 600 01:12:45,202 --> 01:12:49,482 That doesn't work the same way for Magne and me. 601 01:12:49,642 --> 01:12:54,362 And when l say "Magne and me", it's because l mostly agree 602 01:12:54,522 --> 01:12:58,442 with Magne's reactions, his understanding of things. 603 01:12:58,602 --> 01:13:04,082 That's how it's been through the years, and still is. But not always. 604 01:13:05,722 --> 01:13:10,042 Paul has a great deal of unused material 605 01:13:10,202 --> 01:13:14,602 that he wants me to try out for starfers. 606 01:13:14,762 --> 01:13:19,282 But for that to happen, it really has to 607 01:13:19,442 --> 01:13:22,802 feel right for all of us. 608 01:13:22,962 --> 01:13:27,442 There won't be any a-ha album until all three agree on it. 609 01:13:27,602 --> 01:13:30,922 No matter how many songs you've written. 610 01:13:31,082 --> 01:13:37,882 None of us have the right to use a-ha as our personal playground. 611 01:14:18,002 --> 01:14:22,242 The conflict with Paul over the early songwriting credits. 612 01:14:22,402 --> 01:14:25,242 That's the main obstacle. 613 01:14:26,362 --> 01:14:33,082 I've done a lot without being credited based on how you define songwriting. 614 01:14:33,242 --> 01:14:38,002 If you say a song is what you sing and play on an acoustic guitar, 615 01:14:38,162 --> 01:14:41,482 then my rirf on Take On Me doesn't count. 616 01:14:41,642 --> 01:14:45,042 There are dirferent definitions. That's pál's. 617 01:14:51,282 --> 01:14:54,642 People nowadays write songs in a dirferent way. 618 01:14:54,802 --> 01:14:59,242 You have a guy saying, "l wrote the bassline on this song." 619 01:14:59,402 --> 01:15:04,202 "I wrote this parf. l wrote that parf. I added this. I'm a songwriter." 620 01:15:04,362 --> 01:15:07,482 That's not the type of song l feel I'm writing. 621 01:15:07,642 --> 01:15:13,562 Like building a table. You can decorate it with dirferent cups, put a flower on it. 622 01:15:13,722 --> 01:15:16,602 But you still made a table. Yeah, sure... 623 01:15:16,762 --> 01:15:23,362 lf you came up with the legs so it doesn't fall over, it's an imporfant parf of it. 624 01:15:23,522 --> 01:15:28,362 But if it's just decorating, you give it to someone who'll decorate it dirferently. 625 01:15:28,522 --> 01:15:34,842 My contribution is constantly underrated. It's not basslines or drum programming. 626 01:15:35,002 --> 01:15:38,162 It's about toplines, rirfs, 627 01:15:38,322 --> 01:15:44,202 themes that are defining and that change the song's character. 628 01:15:49,122 --> 01:15:53,322 In the very beginning, Paul and Mags wrote the songs. 629 01:15:53,482 --> 01:15:56,042 Paul wrote more than Magne. 630 01:15:56,202 --> 01:16:00,922 And Paul was more forceful in getting his sturf across. 631 01:16:01,082 --> 01:16:03,642 That was a source of friction. 632 01:16:03,802 --> 01:16:10,122 Anything he played that l loved, l felt like I'd picked up and made happen. 633 01:16:10,282 --> 01:16:14,562 I can't think of one song that we didn't record. Maybe one. 634 01:16:14,722 --> 01:16:20,402 There was a song called Trees Never Grow On Sand. Morten didn't like the singing. 635 01:16:20,562 --> 01:16:25,402 He also wasn't writing sorf of lyrics back then. 636 01:16:25,562 --> 01:16:31,282 So l depended on him doing that for my songs to be included. 637 01:16:31,442 --> 01:16:37,442 The result was always that all my songs were cowritten, of course. 638 01:16:37,602 --> 01:16:41,962 But where l contributed with musical themes and sturf 639 01:16:42,122 --> 01:16:45,562 on his songs, it wasn't always credited. 640 01:16:48,442 --> 01:16:54,202 I'm sure the story would've been dirferent if all three were credited, like in U2. 641 01:16:54,362 --> 01:16:58,242 Which worked very well for that band. Prom day one 642 01:16:58,402 --> 01:17:02,162 they agreed to share it all equally. 643 01:17:02,322 --> 01:17:06,442 You're lucky to get the success you get. It's such a joy. 644 01:17:06,602 --> 01:17:11,442 You're playing music for thousands of people. Like, enjoy it! 645 01:17:11,602 --> 01:17:17,882 Kinda sinful not to really appreciate what you have when you have so very much. 646 01:17:18,042 --> 01:17:23,882 Those guys need a shrink all together. Each one individually, and then as a band. 647 01:17:24,042 --> 01:17:27,402 Are you okay? 648 01:17:27,562 --> 01:17:29,682 We ok too! 649 01:18:18,922 --> 01:18:25,082 Paul always has plenty of sturf going on musically, so l let go. 650 01:18:25,242 --> 01:18:29,202 Stopped caring. 651 01:18:29,362 --> 01:18:33,962 It ended like it often does with a-ha, in a tug of war, bad vibes. 652 01:18:34,122 --> 01:18:40,042 I started to feel ready to get out of a-ha altogether. 653 01:19:15,802 --> 01:19:20,282 I decided to move back to Norway. Our first son had arrived. 654 01:19:20,442 --> 01:19:25,962 My wife was unhappy in London. I told the others. 655 01:19:26,122 --> 01:19:31,082 "I'm moving back home. I've got 1 8 months of national service." 656 01:19:31,242 --> 01:19:35,522 "And that basically means no more a-ha for me." 657 01:19:35,682 --> 01:19:39,562 "We'll have to see what happens after that." 658 01:20:24,842 --> 01:20:32,402 I think l needed to get out of the group and get into my own creative sturf. 659 01:20:32,562 --> 01:20:36,442 Plus I've been an arfist at hearf from the beginning. 660 01:20:36,602 --> 01:20:42,042 Just basically expressing myself on napkins and envelopes on tour. 661 01:20:42,202 --> 01:20:45,082 And it started to raise its voice. 662 01:20:55,362 --> 01:21:01,802 When l started to take making paintings seriously, for real, 663 01:21:01,962 --> 01:21:07,842 it was basically a reaction to the machine a-ha had become. 664 01:21:08,002 --> 01:21:13,562 It was mainly very therapeutic for me to do something on my own. 665 01:21:48,682 --> 01:21:53,242 Working with music and painting pictures feels very similar. 666 01:21:53,402 --> 01:21:57,522 You want the same feeling, want your hair to stand on end. 667 01:21:57,682 --> 01:22:00,322 That mood... Mood is everything. 668 01:22:16,842 --> 01:22:21,322 It was a huge relief for me to get into the Wild Seed project. 669 01:22:21,482 --> 01:22:28,442 It's imporfant to remember that in a-ha, our roles became fixed after a while. 670 01:22:28,602 --> 01:22:34,442 Paul and Magne had played in bands together since they were 1 0 or 1 2 years old. 671 01:22:34,602 --> 01:22:40,602 Carving out a place would demand a pushiness that l simply don't have. 672 01:22:47,762 --> 01:22:53,722 Wild Seed was a huge success. lt sold well and won four Norwegian Grammy awards. 673 01:22:53,882 --> 01:22:59,762 That it never became a worldwide hit was mostly down to coincidence and bad luck. 674 01:23:02,482 --> 01:23:06,602 Some record company person said, "Yeah, that's good ." 675 01:23:06,762 --> 01:23:11,602 "Then it's out before Morten's solo album. Oh, l wasn't supposed to say that." 676 01:23:11,762 --> 01:23:14,922 I was like, "What's up with that?" 677 01:23:15,082 --> 01:23:20,842 I don't know who told him, how it was communicated to him. lt was news to me. 678 01:23:21,002 --> 01:23:25,042 I only found out ages later. Like, many years later. 679 01:23:25,202 --> 01:23:27,162 I was pretty pissed orf. 680 01:23:27,322 --> 01:23:33,362 You've been recording for almost a year, preparing songs for the next album. 681 01:23:33,522 --> 01:23:36,922 Paul was very unhappy with my vocals. 682 01:23:37,082 --> 01:23:42,522 And l didn't feel at home on Memorial Beach, the previous album. Not at all. 683 01:23:42,682 --> 01:23:47,442 I felt l was the wrong guy for Paul. I thought like, "Peel free." 684 01:23:47,602 --> 01:23:50,322 "Find someone who does what you want." 685 01:23:51,162 --> 01:23:56,042 I felt it could've been handled better so l didn't waste time on sturf 686 01:23:56,202 --> 01:23:58,602 that isn't gonna happen. 687 01:23:58,762 --> 01:24:04,082 That's when l started sorf of figuring out, "Time to do something else." 688 01:24:34,642 --> 01:24:37,522 It's never been my desire to be in a band. 689 01:24:37,682 --> 01:24:42,522 I'm in a band with him because l was submerged in music. 690 01:24:42,682 --> 01:24:46,522 I had to come out on the other side as a writer or die. 691 01:24:46,682 --> 01:24:52,802 I had to learn music or get divorced. Because it was just 24I7 with him. 692 01:25:11,802 --> 01:25:15,722 But it's weird to suddenly be in the middle. 693 01:25:15,882 --> 01:25:19,682 "What am l doing in the middle? I should be over there!" 694 01:25:19,842 --> 01:25:22,522 Give me a hug. 695 01:25:22,682 --> 01:25:24,962 You did great. 696 01:25:27,762 --> 01:25:30,362 Nice. We should do it again. 697 01:25:52,362 --> 01:25:57,362 It's four years since their last show, but now a-ha's back together. 698 01:25:57,522 --> 01:26:02,242 Even though we dropped out, we never settled it. 699 01:26:02,402 --> 01:26:04,922 It's always been there. 700 01:26:05,082 --> 01:26:09,802 Unfinished business, like. We never felt we were done. 701 01:26:09,962 --> 01:26:13,722 It would be natural to do it. The question is when. 702 01:26:14,842 --> 01:26:18,402 There's this feeling of a common destiny. 703 01:26:19,482 --> 01:26:24,122 There are some good signals in what we're working on now. 704 01:26:24,282 --> 01:26:30,202 There's a lot more potential, and as long as there is, it's interesting to go on. 705 01:27:08,362 --> 01:27:14,722 Before the release of the new album, Minor Earfh Major Sky, there was a while 706 01:27:14,882 --> 01:27:18,762 where it felt like starfing over. 707 01:27:18,922 --> 01:27:23,282 We went to New York, Magne and l, and knocked orf all the demos. 708 01:27:23,442 --> 01:27:27,922 Spent one day on each. Morten's songs are cool on that one. 709 01:27:28,082 --> 01:27:32,362 Magne came up with the fantastic l Wish l Cared, 710 01:27:32,522 --> 01:27:36,562 and other things l liked. I thought that could be the first single. 711 01:27:36,722 --> 01:27:39,882 It felt like we found a common foothold. 712 01:27:40,042 --> 01:27:45,322 That we had the same musical ambitions. It felt like a functional band. 713 01:28:17,682 --> 01:28:21,162 Por me, l was in my probably best period ever 714 01:28:21,322 --> 01:28:26,042 with Summer Moved On. That got like six out of six in the papers. 715 01:28:26,202 --> 01:28:31,042 People came out of the woodwork saying, "l always liked a-ha." 716 01:28:31,202 --> 01:28:35,562 It seemed like every a-ha fan had turned into a journalist, 717 01:28:35,722 --> 01:28:38,562 with a whole dirferent appreciation. 718 01:28:38,722 --> 01:28:42,642 If you know anything about our band, one band in parficular 719 01:28:42,802 --> 01:28:45,602 shaped our path and our future. 720 01:28:45,762 --> 01:28:50,802 And that band happens to be from Norway, and they're called a-ha. 721 01:28:50,962 --> 01:28:55,762 In the early 2000's, many major names came out as a-ha fans. 722 01:28:55,922 --> 01:28:59,282 Coldplay were hard-core fans. 723 01:28:59,442 --> 01:29:03,922 U2, who stole unashamed from The Sun Always Shines On TV 724 01:29:04,082 --> 01:29:08,682 on their Beautiful Uay, said a-ha was an underrated band. 725 01:29:08,842 --> 01:29:12,242 Oasis knew their a-ha. Even Kanye West. 726 01:29:12,402 --> 01:29:15,282 They still have a huge influence. 727 01:29:15,442 --> 01:29:19,042 If you listen to Blinding Lights by The Weeknd, 728 01:29:19,202 --> 01:29:22,602 both the drum beat and the synths 729 01:29:22,762 --> 01:29:28,722 are clearly, without a shred of doubt, a tribute to Take On Me. 730 01:30:57,842 --> 01:31:00,002 From Terry Slater, 731 01:31:00,162 --> 01:31:04,642 our good old manager who opened everything up to us. 732 01:31:07,482 --> 01:31:11,802 "FAME, like a wayward girl, will still be coy" 733 01:31:11,962 --> 01:31:17,922 "To those who woo her with too slavish knees," 734 01:31:18,082 --> 01:31:20,722 This is by Keats. 735 01:31:20,882 --> 01:31:24,322 "But makes surrender to some thoughtless boy," 736 01:31:24,482 --> 01:31:29,202 "And dotes the more upon a hearf at ease; She is a Gipsey," 737 01:31:29,362 --> 01:31:33,922 "will not speak to those who have not learnt to be content without her;" 738 01:31:34,082 --> 01:31:37,602 "Ye Arfists lovelorn! madmen that ye are!" 739 01:31:37,762 --> 01:31:41,442 "Make your best bow to her and bid adieu," 740 01:31:41,602 --> 01:31:44,442 "Then, if she likes it, she will follow you." 741 01:31:44,602 --> 01:31:47,562 He's absolutely right. Fuck fame. 742 01:31:50,882 --> 01:31:55,122 If you thirst for fame, you can just forget it. 743 01:32:00,122 --> 01:32:05,842 Every album we make starfs with a honeymoon period 744 01:32:06,002 --> 01:32:09,442 where we go into it thinking 745 01:32:09,602 --> 01:32:13,762 we should come together in the studio, see what happens. 746 01:32:13,922 --> 01:32:19,802 But pretty soon the problems begin to manifest themselves. 747 01:32:19,962 --> 01:32:25,122 Two things that made everything dirficult was moving to dirferent countries, 748 01:32:25,282 --> 01:32:27,402 and e-mail was invented. 749 01:32:27,562 --> 01:32:31,762 Magne would write ten pages. Morten would write one line. 750 01:32:31,922 --> 01:32:34,842 I would be four lines. 751 01:32:35,002 --> 01:32:40,522 Before that, you had to pick up the phone, and it got a bit harder to be... 752 01:32:40,682 --> 01:32:46,522 You know, as isolated, and sorf of... We didn't dig trenches quite as easily. 753 01:32:50,722 --> 01:32:57,082 The Analogue album didn't sell. The record company was about to give up on a-ha. 754 01:32:57,242 --> 01:33:03,202 But the Analogue single was a hit, and reopened the UK market. 755 01:33:03,362 --> 01:33:06,562 And we were planning to retake the US. 756 01:33:06,722 --> 01:33:10,602 So we needed another real hit. We didn't have one. 757 01:33:10,762 --> 01:33:16,522 So Foot Of The Mountain ended up being a "maybe" song. 758 01:33:17,442 --> 01:33:20,402 It started out as two songs. One by me. 759 01:33:26,762 --> 01:33:29,002 And one song by Paul. 760 01:33:36,082 --> 01:33:41,642 In the old days we'd probably end up trying to knit them together somehow. 761 01:33:41,802 --> 01:33:47,802 That was often the process, a bit from me, a bit from him, see how it turned out. 762 01:33:48,602 --> 01:33:52,562 This time it was Harald Wiik who suggested it. 763 01:33:52,722 --> 01:33:58,202 He was the one who "interfered" and suggested we try to merge them. 764 01:33:59,242 --> 01:34:04,162 It's like physically amputating your song and putting something in. 765 01:34:04,322 --> 01:34:07,642 I'm writing a chorus about escaping the city. 766 01:34:07,802 --> 01:34:13,682 He's throwing shit about me in the verse. You know, l can't get behind that. 767 01:34:15,002 --> 01:34:19,522 Paul suddenly says, "This won't do. This is a private song." 768 01:34:19,682 --> 01:34:24,122 And we feel... We try to digest it. But we feel he's wrong. 769 01:34:24,282 --> 01:34:28,802 Primarily because... l don't really believe him. 770 01:34:29,402 --> 01:34:32,202 Paul wanted to remove his parf. 771 01:34:32,362 --> 01:34:35,722 You know, "Write your own fucking chorus." 772 01:34:35,882 --> 01:34:42,962 Finally Morten and l told him, "lf you do it, you've terminated a-ha." 773 01:34:43,122 --> 01:34:45,642 "Then you're fired ." 774 01:34:45,802 --> 01:34:48,122 Is Paul still in the band? 775 01:34:55,762 --> 01:35:02,082 Paul's next comment was, "Why all the bad vibes in the band?" 776 01:35:04,402 --> 01:35:06,282 So he backed down. 777 01:35:06,442 --> 01:35:12,882 I let it slide. But l don't pay any attention to that song. 778 01:35:14,402 --> 01:35:19,402 I would never have suggested it today. I wouldn't have dared to. 779 01:35:19,562 --> 01:35:23,722 But what I've realised, what I'm really sorry for, 780 01:35:23,882 --> 01:35:27,122 is how imporfant this is for Paul. 781 01:35:27,282 --> 01:35:30,442 Much more imporfant than l realised. 782 01:35:51,642 --> 01:35:55,802 I like a poison pen song as good as anybody. l love them. 783 01:35:55,962 --> 01:35:59,922 But that's why you have solo albums to put that sturf on. 784 01:37:10,682 --> 01:37:14,642 One amazing thing about a-ha is that after 35 years, 785 01:37:14,802 --> 01:37:19,802 they're still among the world's greatest live bands. 786 01:37:19,962 --> 01:37:23,682 I don't think people realise how huge they still are. 787 01:38:22,442 --> 01:38:28,082 This is the last time l ask you. Has anything changed? 788 01:38:28,242 --> 01:38:34,042 Uo you feel more like going to the studio to record something with the others? 789 01:38:34,202 --> 01:38:39,882 It's not that l wouldn't like to. It's just that I've done it before. 790 01:38:40,042 --> 01:38:47,002 And always ended up being disappointed. But this could be a big hit with a-ha. 791 01:39:05,482 --> 01:39:12,562 We should've gone to New Orleans. Rented a huge house somewhere. 792 01:39:12,722 --> 01:39:17,402 With voodoo and chicken feet, like. 793 01:39:17,562 --> 01:39:22,882 Stayed there, seen it through, sweated it out together. 794 01:39:23,042 --> 01:39:28,482 I've said so for ages. I know for cerfain that it's true. 795 01:39:28,642 --> 01:39:33,722 That could've brought back a-ha. 796 01:39:35,482 --> 01:39:40,442 They're not hungry enough. Like when they were dumpster diving in England. 797 01:39:40,602 --> 01:39:47,122 Morten ate mouldy cookies. They were hungry. They were bent on making it. 798 01:39:47,282 --> 01:39:52,042 I think they still haven't made their best record. 799 01:40:04,122 --> 01:40:09,722 If l can get one more song in there that's a good a-ha song, ten more, whatever, 800 01:40:09,882 --> 01:40:13,882 it's worfh the hassle. I can go through a lot of sturf. 801 01:40:14,042 --> 01:40:18,362 If we can strengthen the legacy of the band, 802 01:40:18,522 --> 01:40:23,642 l don't mind going, you know, through the painful bit. 803 01:40:24,722 --> 01:40:29,162 Ten, twenty years from now, they'll go through our list. 804 01:40:29,322 --> 01:40:36,282 All our little quibbles about everything means absolutely nothing to anybody else. 805 01:40:40,202 --> 01:40:45,362 To me it doesn't feel like there's any upside. 806 01:40:45,522 --> 01:40:51,922 It just feels like... Going into a room where I've simply felt awful. 807 01:40:56,482 --> 01:40:59,202 AGAINST ANXIETY 808 01:41:07,762 --> 01:41:10,962 What we know about cardiac fibrillation, 809 01:41:11,122 --> 01:41:15,282 is it often arfects young people who push themselves. 810 01:41:15,442 --> 01:41:20,362 My experience is that when I've had the most emotional pressure, 811 01:41:20,522 --> 01:41:23,202 that's when it rears its head. 812 01:41:23,362 --> 01:41:29,122 So in that sense it's obviously connected to the band and its history. 813 01:42:10,642 --> 01:42:15,042 Paul was extremely supporfive then. As if in a way... 814 01:42:15,202 --> 01:42:21,682 That the way we'd treated each other had real consequences. 815 01:42:21,842 --> 01:42:24,762 So it was Paul at his most caring. 816 01:42:24,922 --> 01:42:31,242 He called me. "Magne, we have to do this so that it works for you, for all of us." 817 01:42:31,402 --> 01:42:37,122 "We have to try to... Can't have a situation that makes you sick." 818 01:42:37,282 --> 01:42:42,562 I thought it was really sweet. l was... 819 01:42:42,722 --> 01:42:47,762 So then it was like, a few moments of love, and it was... 820 01:42:47,922 --> 01:42:54,082 But I'm the dirficult figure in pál's life too, and everything l say about him 821 01:42:54,242 --> 01:42:59,602 does have a counterpoint in him. 822 01:44:09,202 --> 01:44:14,042 A-ha was never based on friendship. Of course there's friendship. 823 01:44:14,202 --> 01:44:19,122 But it's not the cornerstone, not what brought us together. 824 01:44:19,282 --> 01:44:24,762 We had a bond through music. That was our strength. 825 01:44:26,482 --> 01:44:29,602 We wouldn't have stuck together otherwise. 826 01:44:29,762 --> 01:44:33,202 I think we have a genuine respect for our talents. 827 01:44:33,362 --> 01:44:38,322 We still appreciate each other very much. No less than before. 828 01:44:38,482 --> 01:44:40,442 Maybe more. 76470

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