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Five minutes.
Five minutes, yes.
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You're on tour, mostly with old songs.
Haven't recorded for a while.
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Might you be recording new songs soon?
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I'd say yes.
I've already made a new a-ha record.
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If we'd gone somewhere for
three months to make a record.
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Locked up and released after three months,
then l might have been a believer.
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- No.
- You don't want to record anything new?
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- No.
- Why not?
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Because it's a hornets nest.
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In the end we just wanna bash
each other's brains out.
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After school there would be a few hours
before my parents came from work,
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and it would be stereo on,
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absolutely cranked.
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Anything you liked, you liked it because
you saw yourself in that parf, that band.
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That was the big escape.
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My father was a musician
and audio technician at NRK.
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Trumpets in the front was
the big thing in Norway at the time.
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I remember how my father used to practice
with his foot on a stool.
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There were always instruments around.
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So I'd sit down with an instrument.
Try to find something. Combine sounds.
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It's probably the first image
l have of something...
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Something l felt an attraction to.
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Four years old, l tried out the piano.
Started making songs right away.
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Suddenly mom comes over to me with
slightly forced enthusiasm.
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I could tell immediately.
She thought it sounded "nice".
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Said l was going to get a piano teacher.
That was a huge mistake.
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I remember riding in the car, five years
old, leaning towards the driver's seat.
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Singing a typical Norwegian song
about spring.
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A song with a very wide tonal range.
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Suddenly l discovered l had wings.
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I had wings on which to sing.
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It was just a wonderful feeling.
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Yes, sir.
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- Really? Uo l need the jacket?
- No.
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Alright.
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I've got it.
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I didn't listen to other people.
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I had my own, critical voice
that drowned out everything else.
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That's still how l am.
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I listen to other people, but every time
someone tries to give me advice...
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Nobody has ever orfered me any sensible,
practical advice about singing.
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I'm extremely hard on myself.
It's absolutely devastating.
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But there's another concerf
the day after tomorrow.
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And so on.
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As long as there are concerfs left,
l can never let my guard down.
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Heading home from school
l heard noise from a balcony.
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It was the first time
l actually noticed Paul.
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His friend had an organ, and Paul played
on drums made from cardboard rolls
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with some dirty plastic drumheads on.
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Playing a concerf for whoever passed by.
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Even though Magne only lived
literally 50 yards down the road,
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l didn't see him until we were 1 3.
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Only when l heard he had an amplifier,
we got a bit curious about each other.
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Paul and l had a very parallel
musical awakening.
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We started digging through music history.
Uiscovered the b0's.
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A cousin of mine went to London.
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He returned with an album by Uriah Heep.
The sound was awesome.
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Musical expression way beyond
anything I'd heard before.
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I started singing Freddie Mercury stuff.
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So he's cerfainly been an imporfant
inspiration, something to strive for.
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Paul and l raced to get the most
Jimi Hendrix records. Think l had 23.
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Cerfain bands can amaze you, but you can't
copy them. You don't have the same skills.
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You can listen to the Beatles and so on.
It's too perfect to be really inspired by.
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So when you get to Velvet Underground
and Joy Division, "Ah, l can do that."
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I remember us lying on the grass,
talking about the future.
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Our bikes lying on the ground beside us.
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I said, "When l grow up,
I'm gonna be a musician."
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Paul later talked about it as
a moment where he...
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To him it was a radical thought. His
parents were more focused on education.
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I was lucky because everyone around me
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thought of music as something
you took seriously.
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We were only fifteen.
I noticed Magne from day one.
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He'd brought a huge Jimi Hendrix poster.
Hung it up in the back of the classroom.
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He was very charming, funny
and completely unafraid.
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He played in a band.
Pretty soon he wanted everyone to hear it.
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This need to show and share
has always been there.
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I think the very first show we did
was me on drums, him on guitar.
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We played in his classroom.
That was our big first opening.
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Which was great, cause every time
l hit a drum solo, the girls screamed.
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I was like, "Yes, we've arrived!"
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I sang and played guitar
more or less until my voice broke.
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We tried with two guitars for a while.
But l felt that it didn't really gel.
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And then l came up with the great idea
that he should change to keyboards.
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Well, it was traumatic.
I was a guitar player.
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It felt... pretty lousy.
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But l was right. He took to it like fish
to water. After a couple of rehearsals
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he came up with much more sturf
than he had on the guitar.
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Well, it didn't feel like fish to water.
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I felt that l bent to his will.
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Because taking the fight would
be painful on some level.
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And it didn't come easy.
I had to change my mindset.
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Being a keyboard player
was never my dream.
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But that was the result,
and we made it work.
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Alright, shall we try playing it through?
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Magne sorf of felt like
Paul was his big brother.
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He wanted to impress Paul.
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He looked up to Paul, both because
he was, and still is, a bit older.
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But also because
of pál's gift as a songwriter.
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Magne and Paul's relationship
was always very competitive,
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but also very productive.
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We were very close at the time.
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Paul and l were very much
in tune with each other, often.
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Bridges got started when Viggo Bondi
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and Øystein Jevanord
became parf of the story.
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We started to get ambitions.
This would be the band.
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I was electrified the first time
l heard Paul and Magne's band.
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Everything was there.
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They needed a singer.
I knew they had to discover me.
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I had discovered them.
I had to wait for them to discover me.
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They came to listen to me at Club 7.
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They just sat there. l remember
how they sat there, just "attending".
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I'd heard about Morten Harket.
Heard that he had a very good voice.
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We were impressed, contacted him.
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Magne and l were going the same way home.
Paul was going to Manglerud.
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We got on a train, but for some reason
we had to walk parf of the way.
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- It was late in the evening.
- Lt was a long walk.
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We talked a lot about music.
Started to talk about our families.
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His biological father, his birfh father,
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had died in a plane crash outside Drammen.
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"Outside Drammen? When was that?
How old were you?"
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"I was there, saw that plane go down."
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Thc crash is now bcing investigated.
The plan was heading for Linköping,
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where Bent Sølvc's orchestra
was to hold a concert.
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My brother was sitting by the window.
He spotted the Cessna.
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"I think it's in trouble. They're going
down!" My father sees it too.
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He turns the car around,
follows the plane.
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We're close by when it happens.
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And Magne's father
is among those killed in the crash.
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So there was like...
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A strong sense of destiny
the first time we met.
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Then he walks home in the night.
I go home.
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And l don't know if
I'll ever talk to him again.
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We were really backward at the time.
You had to be there to understand.
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Nothing had started yet.
We were the outskirfs.
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Norway has always been dominated
by dancehall bands.
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It's time Norwegian pop and rock bands
get the chance to shine.
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Nobody had had any significant
international breakthrough.
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And it wasn't just pop music.
Norway was still in a post-war state.
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Hadn't begun to exporf football players
or anything else.
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How can we get out of Norway?
How can we not have to compete
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with music that we didn't see
any sorf of relation to.
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There's nothing here that we listen to.
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We were only 15-16 years old when
the local newspaper interviewed us.
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"We're gonna be international pop stars.
Norway's too small for us."
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He just wanted to get through high school
so he could go to London
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and make a living from music.
Nobody believed him.
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Nobody had done it before.
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But Paul and l were the only ones
who really believed in that dream.
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Magne called. "The two others are staying
here, Paul and l are going to England ."
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"You wanna come with us?"
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"No, l made a deal with Arild.
We're going interrailing."
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I said l couldn't join them
until after summer.
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They left, thinking l didn't wanna come.
Don't know why they misunderstood me.
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To this day l still don't know
what they thought l meant.
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We went over, were planning
to starf a band once we got there.
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We were serious. No turning back.
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We wouldn't return until we were stars.
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The first thing we did when we got there,
was put in ads in Melody Maker and NME.
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We were looking for a harp player.
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There hadn't been
a front harpist in pop before.
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But we actually found a guy
who played electric harp.
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We went to a lot of the sorf of
Camden clubs, saw a lot of cool bands.
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We discovered Soft Cell,
which l think was a big influence on us.
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Mainly the first six months, we were
soaking in, like a learning process.
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Tried to ease my guilt from not doing
any university that my parents wanted.
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We were in a bedsit in London,
hoping to show others our songs.
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Paul whistling and playing guitar
while l played synth.
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Everyone who had any sense could see
that this was going nowhere.
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We had to do something. l said we should
go home, get Morten to join the band.
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I convinced the band to not return
to England at once, but stay in Norway.
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To use Norway for the rest of the year.
We all had parents we could stay with.
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It was the first time I'd
talked sense into someone.
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I was like the oldest.
"This is how we have to do it."
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The only reason not to was pál's
huge embarrassment
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at coming home without having made it.
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Music is saying things
that can't be said in a sentence.
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There's no way you can pinpoint that song,
get that vibe in a couple of lines.
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I would get obsessed with one thing,
it would be all about that,
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and nothing else matters.
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Pirst it was all painting, but then
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l got sidetracked
into music and it took over.
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My parents were very unhappy
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that l was dating this
out-of-work musician.
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They thought that was terrible.
I didn't think they'd make it.
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But Paul was so driven.
He's like this horse.
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These horses where they put the blinders
on so they can't see. He had those on.
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He could only see two things in his life.
One of them, strongly, was music.
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And the other was me.
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It sounded like crap at first.
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It didn't sound promising, to be polite.
It didn't have anything we wanted.
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Character. lndividuality.
Identity. Charm. Nada.
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But we held on to the dream about...
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That London was the place to be.
We had to go there.
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We're listening to the radio,
watching every pop show on TV.
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And got a bit scared. A lot of them were
very together. They looked like stars.
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We could see that Morten looked great.
He had what a lead singer needed.
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Had a great voice,
was a poser with attitude.
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Morten constantly promoted the band.
He'd refine his image.
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Changed his image almost
from one day to the next.
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A lot of stash. l was the least
stashed up, the most boring guy.
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Morten was way over the top.
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Used house paint in his hair
when he ran out of hairspray.
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Played around with his own image a lot,
ours too.
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He gave Paul a pretty dramatic makeover.
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He really dug in. Stripped him,
dressed him and put on make-up.
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I was bowled over by their enthusiasm.
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I hadn't heard a note,
hadn't heard a song, anything, but...
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They were very dirferent to
a lot of the clients
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that we'd been having from the punk era.
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We booked Rendezvous Studios from
John Ratclirf with the money we had left.
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He was the first one
who had enough faith in us to
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put his money where
his mouth was.
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I really wanted to be involved. l could
see the potential of the songwriting.
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The way Mags came up with so many
great tunes and great melodies
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in addition to the songwriting of Paul.
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Morten's voice on the top was
the icing on the cake.
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After a while John got in touch with
Terry Slater, who'd been with EMI.
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He wanted to show him who we were.
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He'd signed up everyone
from Oueen to Sex pistols,
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and he had a very sorf of
old-school ear for tunes,
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that l responded to.
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Back then getting a recording deal
was the eye of the needle.
225
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And Terry only told us the good news.
226
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So we thought,
"Why are we at this point?"
227
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Things were happening around the corner.
"You'll be so busy you'll miss this time."
228
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So we were just sitting there hoping.
"When are we gonna get busy?"
229
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You need real balls to get through it.
To keep believing.
230
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Because most people don't.
Don't want to believe.
231
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There were setbacks all the time.
But in letters and phone calls to home,
232
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it was always about
new opporfunities opening up.
233
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If we landed a meeting with some
completely insignificant person,
234
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it was painted as,
"This is the big break!"
235
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We didn't have a plan B.
Because plan B...
236
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You've already started doubting plan A.
237
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We must have spent
at least two years thinking...
238
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"Okay, that didn't work.
Remember that thing next week."
239
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"Meeting this person.
He knows Elton John."
240
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We could see it in the way we lived.
Started in Linden Gardens,
241
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in Notting Hill Gate,
then it was Willesden Green.
242
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We took a step down each time we moved.
Not because we didn't like the wallpaper.
243
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We needed a place without wallpaper!
244
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We lived below the poverfy line
for a while because we could,
245
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because we wanted to,
because we felt we had to.
246
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I mean, we had our moments with porridge.
I don't think we even thought about it.
247
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We couldn't ask for more money.
So we lied.
248
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We went to Uecca. They turned us down.
249
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And we celebrated since they'd
turned down The Beatles too.
250
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I think it got sent to three,
four or five record companies.
251
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Parf of it was acting like more people
were interested than was the case.
252
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I think Warner Brothers were
the only ones who believed in it.
253
00:28:46,682 --> 00:28:52,922
The time after signing the contract
was frustrating. We made little progress.
254
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The thing that took much longer than
getting a deal, was getting that producer.
255
00:28:58,522 --> 00:29:03,122
You know, we had a hard enough time
figuring out what a producer did.
256
00:29:03,282 --> 00:29:06,322
We ended up with Tony Mansfield.
257
00:29:08,802 --> 00:29:13,042
He changed everything.
But he did really cool sturf.
258
00:29:13,202 --> 00:29:16,682
He was a genius with computers.
259
00:29:16,842 --> 00:29:20,082
Absolutely mind-blowing. lt was cool.
260
00:29:26,722 --> 00:29:32,122
I wrote the riff on Take On Me
at the age of 14-15 years.
261
00:30:01,122 --> 00:30:05,882
Paul responded negatively.
It sounded "too commercial".
262
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Called it The Juicy Fruit Song because
it reminded us of the commercial.
263
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It took many dirferent shapes.
264
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We had a version of Take On Me
265
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with like rooster-crowing
in the middle of it.
266
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We thought it was brilliant.
267
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In hindsight maybe it wasn't
what put us on the map.
268
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Coming to London, that's when
l really started to hate that chorus.
269
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I think Terry said it.
He'd worked with Oueen.
270
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"If you have a falsetto, it's a hit."
271
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And Morten had a wonderful falsetto.
So l thought that could be a cool thing.
272
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Just to show orf his range a bit.
273
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Every song you have a verse,
then you want to hit that money note.
274
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I thought it would be cool to instead
275
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just starf at the lowest note you can hit
and build your way up from there.
276
00:31:59,922 --> 00:32:04,482
They mostly stay in England,
the group that's become famous
277
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before releasing a single song. You think
you can become superstars with some help
278
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from your record company and manager?
- Yeah.
279
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Tony Mansfield changed much
of what we were.
280
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I end up standing there all alone,
hips, shoulders, blue eyes.
281
00:32:40,482 --> 00:32:47,442
I think they were worried we'd alienate
the female members of the audience.
282
00:32:47,602 --> 00:32:51,362
They tried to make us look
a little extra macho.
283
00:32:51,522 --> 00:32:57,042
Three terrified teenagers with loads of
semi-naked women bouncing about.
284
00:32:57,562 --> 00:33:04,682
It came to a head with a version of
Take On Me that we feel isn't there.
285
00:33:24,322 --> 00:33:28,842
Had we just wasted the opporfunity, like?
286
00:33:30,402 --> 00:33:35,722
We'd used up all our money. lnterest
in the project was already waning.
287
00:33:35,882 --> 00:33:38,842
The record company
was about to give up.
288
00:33:39,002 --> 00:33:44,682
But there was a strong feeling in the band
that we could do it much better.
289
00:33:45,242 --> 00:33:49,042
And ended up in studio with Alan Tarney.
290
00:33:49,202 --> 00:33:54,282
A-ha's original demo of Take On Me
was the right approach.
291
00:33:54,442 --> 00:33:59,122
So l just recreated that in the best way
l possibly could.
292
00:33:59,282 --> 00:34:02,322
We finished Take On Me in one day.
293
00:34:02,482 --> 00:34:08,962
And cause l was so busy with other things,
l didn't think what would happen to it.
294
00:34:09,122 --> 00:34:12,482
It was just another record.
That was that.
295
00:34:12,642 --> 00:34:16,922
I was the one who fought
for that song in the band.
296
00:34:17,082 --> 00:34:22,042
I was the one who really believed in it.
"This is a worldwide hit."
297
00:34:22,202 --> 00:34:27,882
And I'd never thought like that.
Never thought, "Uo we have a hit?"
298
00:34:28,922 --> 00:34:32,722
I took the tape to
the record company, all alone.
299
00:34:32,882 --> 00:34:35,842
Played it.
"This is how it has to be."
300
00:34:53,962 --> 00:34:59,282
And our luck was that they'd just hired
a guy called Jerf Ayerorf.
301
00:34:59,442 --> 00:35:05,202
I thought, "This isn't normal rock & roll
or pop music. This is something else."
302
00:35:05,362 --> 00:35:09,602
A kind of synchronicity happens. l have
this animator in the back of my head.
303
00:35:09,762 --> 00:35:16,282
"Here's this band. Kind of interesting.
Who do l trust who's done videos for me,"
304
00:35:16,442 --> 00:35:21,042
"has a ferfile mind
and can technologically deal with this?"
305
00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:23,242
"Steve Barron."
306
00:35:24,842 --> 00:35:28,842
I met the guys, sat down
and talked about the concept.
307
00:35:29,002 --> 00:35:33,242
I remember they were put in
some tiny little hostel.
308
00:35:33,402 --> 00:35:37,602
Even though massive amounts
were being spent on the video.
309
00:35:37,762 --> 00:35:43,282
I remember thinking, even telling Morten,
"You'll look back at this, and think..."
310
00:35:43,442 --> 00:35:46,282
"We were in that little place."
311
00:35:46,442 --> 00:35:50,162
"If it worked out, we'd never be
in a place like that again."
312
00:36:10,082 --> 00:36:13,682
I remember one time
we went to Venice Beach.
313
00:36:13,842 --> 00:36:19,282
Then you really got the feeling. You'd
walk down that beach and hear the song.
314
00:36:19,442 --> 00:36:23,442
Like from one transistor radio to another.
315
00:36:23,602 --> 00:36:27,602
No matter what channel you went to,
it would be there.
316
00:36:28,722 --> 00:36:32,922
Late yesterday evening,
the Norwegian pop band a-ha
317
00:36:33,082 --> 00:36:36,282
reached the top of
the pop charf in the US.
318
00:36:36,442 --> 00:36:42,242
Pirst one of the top records in the world
at the moment. No. 1 in five countries.
319
00:36:42,402 --> 00:36:45,842
No. 2 in Britain. A-ha, Take On Me!
320
00:36:46,002 --> 00:36:51,682
To the best of my knowledge, the first
Norwegian group to make it big worldwide.
321
00:36:59,602 --> 00:37:02,202
We want a-ha!
322
00:37:17,282 --> 00:37:19,682
A-ha, Take On Me.
323
00:37:20,202 --> 00:37:22,042
A-ha!
324
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Manhattan, the heart of NYC.
325
00:37:57,722 --> 00:38:01,802
Their schedule is packed,
but we get to meet two of them.
326
00:38:01,962 --> 00:38:07,322
- Today you're in New York. And tomorrow?
- Los Angeles.
327
00:38:07,482 --> 00:38:10,162
And then go on a world tour?
328
00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:15,762
We'll pop by Norway before going
to England, then Australia and Japan.
329
00:38:35,522 --> 00:38:38,762
Suddenly we were going to Australia,
330
00:38:38,922 --> 00:38:42,402
with thousands of people
at the airporf at 3 a.m.
331
00:38:42,562 --> 00:38:48,842
We had no idea that would happen. ln
Japan, they had security on every floor.
332
00:40:52,482 --> 00:40:56,722
I was singled out from the band
by the media.
333
00:40:56,882 --> 00:40:59,362
Plung out on my own.
334
00:40:59,522 --> 00:41:05,842
Had to stand in a cascade
that never ended.
335
00:41:06,002 --> 00:41:08,442
That l had to relate to.
336
00:41:08,602 --> 00:41:10,602
We're not a band for the press.
337
00:41:10,762 --> 00:41:15,602
So l did very little band-related sturf
for a long time.
338
00:41:15,762 --> 00:41:21,282
Because there was nothing but
this eternal crescendo of noise.
339
00:41:26,602 --> 00:41:29,642
Glasses? Jacket?
340
00:41:35,882 --> 00:41:38,002
- Beautiful.
- Thank you.
341
00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:40,722
Can l have a picture together?
342
00:41:43,602 --> 00:41:45,722
Okay, thank you.
343
00:41:47,442 --> 00:41:49,922
Danke schón.
344
00:41:51,962 --> 00:41:53,802
Danke sehr.
345
00:42:05,402 --> 00:42:08,162
Here comes Sebastian's...
346
00:42:09,402 --> 00:42:11,842
Remedy.
347
00:42:12,002 --> 00:42:17,682
One of the defences against...
The flu for example.
348
00:42:25,442 --> 00:42:27,482
This is...
349
00:42:29,402 --> 00:42:34,762
My cocoon when we're on the road.
I like it a lot better than flying.
350
00:42:37,242 --> 00:42:39,762
It's the only quiet place.
351
00:42:41,682 --> 00:42:43,722
It's vital to me.
352
00:42:54,042 --> 00:42:58,562
And all creatures,
people and animals,
353
00:42:58,722 --> 00:43:04,322
spend a lot of time on restitution,
finding a private corner where they can
354
00:43:04,482 --> 00:43:07,322
prepare to step out again.
355
00:43:07,482 --> 00:43:12,242
To be yourself.
The way you feel you're composed.
356
00:43:12,402 --> 00:43:14,962
You don't have many sanctuaries
357
00:43:15,122 --> 00:43:19,842
when everyone knows who you are.
They're gone.
358
00:43:20,002 --> 00:43:24,122
That's when a cocoon
like this becomes essential.
359
00:43:28,682 --> 00:43:30,722
Yes.
360
00:43:35,762 --> 00:43:37,802
Here we go.
361
00:43:41,202 --> 00:43:44,722
- Four of them.
- Four innocent victims.
362
00:43:49,722 --> 00:43:52,242
- Hello.
- Hi.
363
00:43:52,402 --> 00:43:56,762
- Hello.
- Hi. How are you?
364
00:43:56,922 --> 00:44:00,642
- My name... is Alexandra.
- Alexandra?
365
00:44:01,682 --> 00:44:06,162
I wish you a pleasant stay in Berlin.
366
00:44:06,322 --> 00:44:09,282
Thank you.
367
00:44:09,442 --> 00:44:14,402
- I'm a huge fan of you guys.
- Yeah.
368
00:44:14,562 --> 00:44:17,842
- Are you sure?
- Yes!
369
00:44:18,842 --> 00:44:22,682
I have presents for you.
Prom my home town, potsdam.
370
00:44:22,842 --> 00:44:26,762
It's near Berlin.
It's very near, potsdam.
371
00:44:27,802 --> 00:44:31,602
- It's for you.
- L got a heavier...
372
00:44:31,762 --> 00:44:35,922
- l wonder what that means.
- Like with our hotel rooms.
373
00:44:36,082 --> 00:44:40,402
He gets the big one, l get the middle one,
Paul gets the small one.
374
00:44:40,562 --> 00:44:43,962
The story of our life.
375
00:44:44,122 --> 00:44:49,562
I think they view me as the least
intellectual. l get a big book to work on.
376
00:44:59,762 --> 00:45:04,562
In many ways it was comfy
that Morten got the attention.
377
00:45:04,722 --> 00:45:10,482
Because Paul and l didn't really crave
the sorf of attention that Morten got.
378
00:45:10,642 --> 00:45:16,322
Por me that was a heaven-send.
Cause l was... Social angst up to eleven.
379
00:45:16,482 --> 00:45:22,762
So for me... The more they could take,
that was a good thing for me.
380
00:45:22,962 --> 00:45:26,362
I didn't have a lot of ambitions
in that direction.
381
00:45:26,522 --> 00:45:31,562
That wasn't my medium. That's not where
l could show people what l could do.
382
00:45:31,722 --> 00:45:34,482
My first concerf was
Echo & the Bunnymen.
383
00:45:34,642 --> 00:45:39,602
And they stood the whole show
with their back against the audience.
384
00:45:39,762 --> 00:45:44,522
I thought it was fantastic. l should've
been in one of those bands.
385
00:45:44,682 --> 00:45:48,922
But l ended up in one of the most visible.
386
00:45:49,082 --> 00:45:53,162
Driven by videos and looks
and everything.
387
00:46:00,162 --> 00:46:05,042
I got that parf l never thought l would.
I thought I'd be in the dark
388
00:46:05,202 --> 00:46:08,802
with a flashing light,
doing moody songs.
389
00:46:08,962 --> 00:46:15,682
It took me about 25 years to figure out.
"How do l handle all this sturf?"
390
00:46:15,842 --> 00:46:19,122
I'm very thinly skinned on
a lot of things.
391
00:46:19,282 --> 00:46:22,242
I never feel l can sorf of relax.
392
00:46:22,402 --> 00:46:26,002
It's almost like my brain...
393
00:46:26,162 --> 00:46:30,922
lt's... l move myself out of the thing.
If I'm doing an interview,
394
00:46:31,082 --> 00:46:34,762
I'm sitting there watching myself,
wondering
395
00:46:34,922 --> 00:46:38,082
what stupid things I'm gonna do next.
396
00:46:38,242 --> 00:46:42,482
I can't be in the moment.
It's tiring, you know.
397
00:47:56,882 --> 00:48:02,402
On Scoundrel Days, we had a unique
production situation. We were on tour
398
00:48:02,562 --> 00:48:05,802
while demos and so on were being made.
399
00:48:05,962 --> 00:48:11,042
So we did a lot on our own
in dirferent studios around the world.
400
00:48:11,202 --> 00:48:14,402
Worked during soundchecks,
in hotel rooms...
401
00:48:14,562 --> 00:48:19,682
We wanted a darker hue on this album.
And also a bit more ambitious
402
00:48:19,842 --> 00:48:25,522
of what you put together. We had
Manhattan Skyline, two songs put together.
403
00:48:25,682 --> 00:48:30,362
Same thing with Scoundrel Days.
October, which was a dirferent colour.
404
00:48:32,202 --> 00:48:36,322
There were a lot of ideas happening.
Too many, in a way.
405
00:48:36,482 --> 00:48:40,242
So it wasn't so clear-cut
who was in charge.
406
00:48:40,402 --> 00:48:45,162
It wasn't me. lt wasn't them, necessarily.
It was give and take.
407
00:48:45,322 --> 00:48:51,162
So it wasn't so easy musically
to arrive at a finished recording.
408
00:48:53,002 --> 00:48:58,082
Uh... Just one thing.
"You're hissing your s's like a snake."
409
00:48:58,242 --> 00:49:00,202
- Remember the tune?
- No.
410
00:49:13,162 --> 00:49:17,602
Maybe it's better to leave that parf
until the next verse?
411
00:49:19,242 --> 00:49:24,242
That was a thing with Lauren. She was
shocked when l took her to the studio.
412
00:49:24,402 --> 00:49:27,922
And l was the biggest pain in the ass,
413
00:49:28,082 --> 00:49:32,202
bossy guy,
leaning over everybody's shoulder.
414
00:49:32,362 --> 00:49:38,042
If l hear something in my head that I'm
trying to get, l have super-confidence.
415
00:49:38,202 --> 00:49:43,362
Especially Paul, he wanted to go down
in the Rock & Roll Hall of Pame,
416
00:49:43,522 --> 00:49:46,242
become a legend in the music business.
417
00:49:46,402 --> 00:49:50,442
And he was capable of it.
Nothing would stop him.
418
00:49:50,602 --> 00:49:56,802
A-ha gave him the opporfunity to make
these records that he wanted to make.
419
00:49:56,962 --> 00:49:59,682
He was very powerful in the studio.
420
00:49:59,842 --> 00:50:03,562
Tremendous presence
in the studio, musically.
421
00:50:03,722 --> 00:50:09,442
So he was, l suppose, dictating more
than anyone else the direction of a-ha.
422
00:50:18,522 --> 00:50:22,882
The way we worked, you had to have
a lot worked out beforehand.
423
00:50:23,042 --> 00:50:27,962
Because it wasn't like a band on
the floor. You had to work it out
424
00:50:28,122 --> 00:50:34,002
before you started, or the whole thing
would fall aparf. That was my job.
425
00:50:34,162 --> 00:50:39,522
That's not how l saw the situation.
We were all trying to take the wheel.
426
00:50:39,682 --> 00:50:45,082
He says l was never a band leader?
I don't think that's accurate.
427
00:50:45,242 --> 00:50:49,362
Instead of "can't you see",
try "plain for all to see".
428
00:50:49,522 --> 00:50:52,682
- "Plain..."?
- "plain for all to see".
429
00:50:56,122 --> 00:50:59,162
"Any or anyone can see".
430
00:51:00,482 --> 00:51:05,082
- Want a pen?
- Lsn't it easier with just "anyone"?
431
00:51:05,242 --> 00:51:07,322
"Anyone can see"?
432
00:51:09,722 --> 00:51:13,522
- Yay! Here we go again.
- Going again?
433
00:51:13,682 --> 00:51:15,522
Where's my coach?
434
00:51:22,402 --> 00:51:24,282
Very close.
435
00:51:25,642 --> 00:51:28,762
I had a pretty neat tone there.
436
00:51:57,882 --> 00:51:59,962
Sounds a bit awkward.
437
00:52:19,002 --> 00:52:23,442
One of the main conflicts
with the record company
438
00:52:23,602 --> 00:52:29,362
was that we insisted on releasing
Manhattan Skyline as a single.
439
00:52:29,522 --> 00:52:32,442
We pointed to Bohemian Rhapsody.
440
00:52:32,602 --> 00:52:36,842
It had to be possible to try out
songs in other formats.
441
00:52:37,002 --> 00:52:41,202
But for us it was imporfant
to release it as a single.
442
00:52:41,362 --> 00:52:45,082
It revealed musical ambitions
of the band that we
443
00:52:45,242 --> 00:52:47,842
felt had been overlooked.
444
00:52:48,602 --> 00:52:50,842
That we weren't a carfoon band.
445
00:53:43,122 --> 00:53:46,842
The result was that we lost the US.
446
00:53:47,002 --> 00:53:52,162
And it haunted us for a long time.
We wanted to win back the US.
447
00:53:57,202 --> 00:53:59,762
Yeah. Wait a minute here.
448
00:53:59,922 --> 00:54:04,762
- Okay, I'm ready.
- Waste a couple of rounds. Are you ready?
449
00:54:04,922 --> 00:54:08,642
I'm ready. Let's just go.
I gotta get this thing.
450
00:54:10,322 --> 00:54:12,602
That's good. Good.
451
00:54:15,682 --> 00:54:19,882
Okay, last ones. I'm gonna have you
coming at my camera.
452
00:54:20,042 --> 00:54:23,562
Come towards me, Morten.
Look at me, guys.
453
00:54:23,722 --> 00:54:27,322
This is the final one.
Beautiful there. Go on.
454
00:54:27,482 --> 00:54:30,922
Can you just...
You looked away from me.
455
00:54:31,082 --> 00:54:35,082
There, there, there!
Beautiful that.
456
00:54:36,042 --> 00:54:41,162
I've gotta bring three guys together
that sometimes don't want to.
457
00:54:41,322 --> 00:54:46,482
But sometimes they do wanna be together.
Then they don't wanna be together.
458
00:54:46,642 --> 00:54:52,082
It's hard as a photographer when people
don't wanna be together in a picture.
459
00:54:57,202 --> 00:55:00,762
Smile! Can you do it one more time?
460
00:55:00,922 --> 00:55:03,242
One more time! Come on.
461
00:55:03,402 --> 00:55:09,082
I guess that's it. Alright.
Okay, l got it. Thank you!
462
00:55:43,482 --> 00:55:45,442
I can't do this.
463
00:55:45,602 --> 00:55:51,642
I'm just whining up there all the time.
I can't do this. There's no fucking break.
464
00:55:51,802 --> 00:55:57,522
It's my voice at the same level
all the way. Don't tell me it sounds good.
465
00:55:57,682 --> 00:56:04,162
We've been through this. This was
the first song everyone was pleased with.
466
00:56:04,322 --> 00:56:08,522
That's bullshit, Lars.
My point remains exactly the same.
467
00:56:08,682 --> 00:56:10,922
I can't sit here whining.
468
00:56:11,082 --> 00:56:16,922
I mean, that's why l don't want it.
Because it's high-range, no breaks.
469
00:56:17,082 --> 00:56:22,162
My voice all the time. I'll drop out
because I'm so sick of my own voice.
470
00:56:25,122 --> 00:56:27,602
- But...
- ls it the key?
471
00:56:27,762 --> 00:56:32,042
It's just me, me. All the time.
I don't think it sounds good.
472
00:56:32,202 --> 00:56:35,082
I've no impulse to sing it.
473
00:56:35,242 --> 00:56:40,122
- That's not a very constructive statement.
- Lt is.
474
00:56:40,282 --> 00:56:44,402
No, Lars. Don't try to
gloss over my main point.
475
00:56:44,562 --> 00:56:50,042
Which is that l don't want to sing that
high throughout the song without a break.
476
00:56:50,202 --> 00:56:53,602
But the song hasn't changed for 30 years.
477
00:56:53,762 --> 00:56:59,562
- That's why I'm sceptical about doing it.
- L didn't know that.
478
00:57:01,082 --> 00:57:06,762
I suggested lowering it an octave.
Constructive input.
479
00:57:06,922 --> 00:57:11,562
If Paul and the girls sing
"l don't wanna cry again..."
480
00:57:13,322 --> 00:57:17,722
- You come in at "Oh, but how..."
- Yeah, that's a big dirference.
481
00:57:42,482 --> 00:57:48,442
I think everyone who works with us
ends up exhausted from working with us.
482
00:57:48,602 --> 00:57:54,042
And then there's a tug of war,
grinding of teeth,
483
00:57:54,202 --> 00:57:57,922
dirfy looks and plenty of reluctance.
484
00:58:29,002 --> 00:58:33,402
When we made the Bond song,
John Barry was the producer.
485
00:58:33,562 --> 00:58:39,682
It turned out that he had to be included
as songwriter. We hadn't been informed.
486
00:58:39,842 --> 00:58:43,922
There were a few chords in that song
l was parficularly fond of
487
00:58:44,082 --> 00:58:47,282
that he wiped out
in the string arrangement.
488
00:58:47,442 --> 00:58:53,202
So we manipulated the 80-piece orchestra
to play another note than what he put in.
489
00:58:53,362 --> 00:58:55,602
I think it pissed him orf.
490
00:58:55,762 --> 00:58:59,282
In one interview he called
them "Nazi Jugend".
491
00:58:59,442 --> 00:59:02,602
I'm afraid so, yes.
492
00:59:02,762 --> 00:59:07,202
That's what he said to me.
So he felt it very strongly.
493
00:59:07,362 --> 00:59:10,122
Right. Must we get into it?
494
00:59:10,282 --> 00:59:15,882
He encountered a band that had
a great deal of self-confidence.
495
00:59:16,042 --> 00:59:19,042
He was used to being the dictator,
l think.
496
00:59:19,202 --> 00:59:21,802
Our general rule was that
497
00:59:21,962 --> 00:59:25,722
we simply ignored everything
that was said.
498
00:59:26,922 --> 00:59:29,242
We nodded and smiled,
499
00:59:29,402 --> 00:59:33,882
and fundamentally disagreed
about everything.
500
01:00:52,482 --> 01:00:57,562
With Stay On These Roads, l felt
I'd written an imporfant song for a-ha.
501
01:00:57,722 --> 01:01:02,202
I ran orf to Paul to show it to him.
502
01:01:02,362 --> 01:01:07,482
But he was busy on the phone.
By chance, Morten was sitting there.
503
01:01:07,642 --> 01:01:13,002
So l showed it to him first,
which was unusual in a-ha at the time.
504
01:01:13,562 --> 01:01:16,762
He asked me, "What would you do here?"
505
01:01:16,922 --> 01:01:20,362
So l sang "sail on" or something.
506
01:01:28,762 --> 01:01:33,722
Then Paul comes in from the room
next door, clapping his hands.
507
01:01:33,882 --> 01:01:38,042
I sat up all night alone,
finishing the demo,
508
01:01:38,202 --> 01:01:44,402
with full instrumentation, which was
used as it was when we recorded it.
509
01:01:46,402 --> 01:01:49,682
On the third album
we tried to be more poppy.
510
01:01:49,842 --> 01:01:52,602
Thinking like we did in the starf,
511
01:01:52,762 --> 01:01:56,922
with sturf that didn't end up on
the first album, like Touchy.
512
01:01:57,082 --> 01:02:02,522
I think Paul convinced himself
that for commercial reasons,
513
01:02:02,682 --> 01:02:08,482
we needed a smarfer approach.
That's what he thought, l suspect.
514
01:02:08,642 --> 01:02:11,842
We were told that we had "the disease".
515
01:02:12,002 --> 01:02:15,322
"They'll destroy everything
they've created ."
516
01:02:15,482 --> 01:02:20,682
"Because they're uncomforfable with
their image or how people see them."
517
01:02:20,842 --> 01:02:23,282
The first nail in the corfin.
518
01:02:34,922 --> 01:02:38,082
We wanted to write new hits.
519
01:02:38,242 --> 01:02:43,642
But we didn't necessarily want to
turn our backs on Scoundrel Days.
520
01:02:43,802 --> 01:02:46,602
We wanted to hold on to our success.
521
01:02:51,122 --> 01:02:55,162
The songs are nice.
But the videos are horrible.
522
01:03:00,962 --> 01:03:07,042
People might have a dirferent image
of what a-ha really is than l do.
523
01:03:07,642 --> 01:03:11,242
- Hi! We're a-ha!
- One more time.
524
01:03:12,162 --> 01:03:15,122
Hi there! We're a-ha!
525
01:03:15,762 --> 01:03:22,242
We ended up wrapped in packaging.
"Don't worry. lt'll pass." We were wrong.
526
01:03:22,402 --> 01:03:28,082
And we remained exposed in a way that
none of us could identify with at all.
527
01:03:28,242 --> 01:03:33,602
Were very naive about what we had
to protect, what was unique about us.
528
01:03:33,762 --> 01:03:36,282
We just went with the flow.
529
01:03:36,442 --> 01:03:40,602
And it's nobody else's fault
that we became a teen band.
530
01:03:40,762 --> 01:03:46,282
We posed for all the shoots. No matter how
cheesy we thought it was, we turned up.
531
01:03:46,442 --> 01:03:51,642
Let ourselves be photographed
in the most humiliating settings.
532
01:03:58,242 --> 01:04:02,442
What would a-ha have been
without Morten Harket's
533
01:04:02,602 --> 01:04:06,162
gorgeous body and handsome face?
534
01:04:06,322 --> 01:04:13,602
We would've avoided a lot of problems.
I mean, I'm born like this.
535
01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:15,922
I've never worked out.
536
01:04:16,082 --> 01:04:19,802
It's not easy to accept
that sorf of attention.
537
01:04:19,962 --> 01:04:24,762
- Would you strip to the waist for me?
- Sure, if you did the same.
538
01:04:34,922 --> 01:04:36,522
Anything else?
539
01:05:33,042 --> 01:05:36,522
If we're gonna make it clear
to the record company,
540
01:05:36,682 --> 01:05:41,282
"Don't book us ever again to
that fucking popcorn Magazine."
541
01:05:41,442 --> 01:05:45,122
"This album will force you to think
dirferently about the band ."
542
01:06:06,642 --> 01:06:10,762
The pendulum swung way over
in the opposite direction.
543
01:06:10,922 --> 01:06:16,242
We tried to become a band we weren't.
I was against it all the time.
544
01:06:37,922 --> 01:06:43,522
We were flirfing with U2-ish sturf.
Were trying to show something dirferent.
545
01:06:43,682 --> 01:06:49,922
But it comes from the wrong place, that's
the problem. lt's not honest enough.
546
01:06:50,082 --> 01:06:53,842
Because there's
this dishonesty seeping in.
547
01:06:54,002 --> 01:06:58,162
Which is about what we shouldn't do.
548
01:06:59,042 --> 01:07:03,362
So a heavy hand guided everything
in the choice of songs,
549
01:07:03,522 --> 01:07:06,962
in the development
and recording of the songs.
550
01:07:07,842 --> 01:07:13,402
I remember a dirferent vibe. We were sick
of our teenybopper status at that point.
551
01:07:13,562 --> 01:07:20,282
Those albums challenged how the band was
perceived, gave us a much richer history.
552
01:07:20,882 --> 01:07:24,202
The 80's way of making albums
was on the way out.
553
01:07:24,362 --> 01:07:28,082
I really felt that that was
not gonna work.
554
01:07:31,082 --> 01:07:36,722
Paul and l agreed on the direction for
East Of The Sun. After touring live,
555
01:07:36,882 --> 01:07:41,362
we wanted to get back to our roots
with a band in studio.
556
01:07:41,522 --> 01:07:47,882
So we settled into the largest studio
in Abbey Road for several months.
557
01:08:15,562 --> 01:08:20,002
Lately I've learnt a lot
l should've learned a decade ago.
558
01:08:20,162 --> 01:08:22,962
We were naive in the beginning.
559
01:08:23,122 --> 01:08:29,162
- We thought we could just be famous first.
- Lt's given us lots of problems.
560
01:08:29,322 --> 01:08:32,602
We haven't steered our career
where we wanted.
561
01:08:35,002 --> 01:08:40,762
Is it possible to be more successful?
You even set a world record.
562
01:08:40,922 --> 01:08:44,842
- How many came to the concerf in Rio?
- Lt was packed.
563
01:08:45,002 --> 01:08:48,642
Wasn't it almost 200,000?
How can you top that?
564
01:08:50,882 --> 01:08:54,042
- That's not what it's about.
- No?
565
01:08:54,202 --> 01:08:57,402
We feel we're just at the starfing line.
566
01:08:57,562 --> 01:09:03,042
We want to leave a body of work we can
be proud of, that's worfh something.
567
01:09:26,762 --> 01:09:31,522
I'm rarely satisfied or feel at ease
with what l hear on stage.
568
01:09:31,682 --> 01:09:37,282
The playtulness that comes when
you feel at ease is very special.
569
01:09:37,442 --> 01:09:42,602
It's something l often miss on stage,
on tour, getting there.
570
01:09:45,442 --> 01:09:50,202
The guy who mixes what l hear...
571
01:09:51,602 --> 01:09:55,522
He gets two hours
of discontent every evening.
572
01:09:58,842 --> 01:10:02,802
I use a wide register,
and many acoustic criteria
573
01:10:02,962 --> 01:10:08,762
have to be met in order to actually
stay in touch with what you're doing.
574
01:10:08,922 --> 01:10:12,762
And I'm extremely demanding in that sense.
575
01:10:12,922 --> 01:10:17,082
Could we... take a break with that?
I need to focus here.
576
01:10:41,402 --> 01:10:45,002
He's got better at saying
"this was good".
577
01:10:45,162 --> 01:10:50,162
It used to be impossible for him
to be pleased with a concerf.
578
01:10:50,322 --> 01:10:53,082
He was never happy.
And of course
579
01:10:53,242 --> 01:10:59,122
this drains the energy from
the people around him.
580
01:10:59,282 --> 01:11:05,482
I'm exhausted. Too many repetitions of
the same sturf. I'm howling all the time.
581
01:11:05,642 --> 01:11:09,042
So it's making me a century older.
582
01:11:10,282 --> 01:11:16,482
That's when it starfs to bite. lt's not
good for your mind or your voice.
583
01:11:16,642 --> 01:11:19,402
That's life for a singer.
584
01:11:20,082 --> 01:11:23,242
It's easy to say, "Relax, don't worry."
585
01:11:23,802 --> 01:11:28,282
It's like sending a downhill racer out
on the slope blindfolded.
586
01:11:28,442 --> 01:11:32,722
If you don't have good sound,
it can easily go wrong.
587
01:11:43,282 --> 01:11:48,202
We've never performed our songs like this.
So it's all new.
588
01:11:48,362 --> 01:11:53,802
But people know the songs,
and that's what creates a connection.
589
01:11:53,962 --> 01:11:57,682
We have some catalogue sturf
we've rarely played.
590
01:11:57,842 --> 01:12:01,242
My worry is that it'll be too...
591
01:12:01,402 --> 01:12:07,722
That it's too nice and orderly, with lots
of neat transitions, that kinda sturf.
592
01:12:07,882 --> 01:12:12,042
- Sturf that makes me fall asleep.
- Like what?
593
01:12:12,202 --> 01:12:17,602
- It's a general problem.
- The arrangements are all so elaborate.
594
01:12:17,762 --> 01:12:20,162
There's no...
595
01:12:20,962 --> 01:12:26,922
Yeah, l get the point. Know the feeling.
But l think much of it sounds okay.
596
01:12:27,082 --> 01:12:32,562
Everything sounds okay. That's not it.
But maybe iron out the details.
597
01:12:32,722 --> 01:12:35,522
Can we just add Sox Of The Pox there?
598
01:12:35,682 --> 01:12:38,442
- Your call.
- Before Memorial, yeah.
599
01:12:41,602 --> 01:12:45,042
Paul has a knack of getting his way.
600
01:12:45,202 --> 01:12:49,482
That doesn't work the same way
for Magne and me.
601
01:12:49,642 --> 01:12:54,362
And when l say "Magne and me",
it's because l mostly agree
602
01:12:54,522 --> 01:12:58,442
with Magne's reactions,
his understanding of things.
603
01:12:58,602 --> 01:13:04,082
That's how it's been through the years,
and still is. But not always.
604
01:13:05,722 --> 01:13:10,042
Paul has a great deal of unused material
605
01:13:10,202 --> 01:13:14,602
that he wants me to try out for starfers.
606
01:13:14,762 --> 01:13:19,282
But for that to happen, it really has to
607
01:13:19,442 --> 01:13:22,802
feel right for all of us.
608
01:13:22,962 --> 01:13:27,442
There won't be any a-ha album
until all three agree on it.
609
01:13:27,602 --> 01:13:30,922
No matter how many songs you've written.
610
01:13:31,082 --> 01:13:37,882
None of us have the right to use a-ha
as our personal playground.
611
01:14:18,002 --> 01:14:22,242
The conflict with Paul over
the early songwriting credits.
612
01:14:22,402 --> 01:14:25,242
That's the main obstacle.
613
01:14:26,362 --> 01:14:33,082
I've done a lot without being credited
based on how you define songwriting.
614
01:14:33,242 --> 01:14:38,002
If you say a song is what you sing
and play on an acoustic guitar,
615
01:14:38,162 --> 01:14:41,482
then my rirf on Take On Me
doesn't count.
616
01:14:41,642 --> 01:14:45,042
There are dirferent definitions.
That's pál's.
617
01:14:51,282 --> 01:14:54,642
People nowadays write songs
in a dirferent way.
618
01:14:54,802 --> 01:14:59,242
You have a guy saying,
"l wrote the bassline on this song."
619
01:14:59,402 --> 01:15:04,202
"I wrote this parf. l wrote that parf.
I added this. I'm a songwriter."
620
01:15:04,362 --> 01:15:07,482
That's not the type of song
l feel I'm writing.
621
01:15:07,642 --> 01:15:13,562
Like building a table. You can decorate it
with dirferent cups, put a flower on it.
622
01:15:13,722 --> 01:15:16,602
But you still made a table.
Yeah, sure...
623
01:15:16,762 --> 01:15:23,362
lf you came up with the legs so it doesn't
fall over, it's an imporfant parf of it.
624
01:15:23,522 --> 01:15:28,362
But if it's just decorating, you give it
to someone who'll decorate it dirferently.
625
01:15:28,522 --> 01:15:34,842
My contribution is constantly underrated.
It's not basslines or drum programming.
626
01:15:35,002 --> 01:15:38,162
It's about toplines, rirfs,
627
01:15:38,322 --> 01:15:44,202
themes that are defining
and that change the song's character.
628
01:15:49,122 --> 01:15:53,322
In the very beginning,
Paul and Mags wrote the songs.
629
01:15:53,482 --> 01:15:56,042
Paul wrote more than Magne.
630
01:15:56,202 --> 01:16:00,922
And Paul was more forceful
in getting his sturf across.
631
01:16:01,082 --> 01:16:03,642
That was a source of friction.
632
01:16:03,802 --> 01:16:10,122
Anything he played that l loved,
l felt like I'd picked up and made happen.
633
01:16:10,282 --> 01:16:14,562
I can't think of one song
that we didn't record. Maybe one.
634
01:16:14,722 --> 01:16:20,402
There was a song called Trees Never Grow
On Sand. Morten didn't like the singing.
635
01:16:20,562 --> 01:16:25,402
He also wasn't writing
sorf of lyrics back then.
636
01:16:25,562 --> 01:16:31,282
So l depended on him doing that
for my songs to be included.
637
01:16:31,442 --> 01:16:37,442
The result was always that all my songs
were cowritten, of course.
638
01:16:37,602 --> 01:16:41,962
But where l contributed
with musical themes and sturf
639
01:16:42,122 --> 01:16:45,562
on his songs, it wasn't always credited.
640
01:16:48,442 --> 01:16:54,202
I'm sure the story would've been dirferent
if all three were credited, like in U2.
641
01:16:54,362 --> 01:16:58,242
Which worked very well for that band.
Prom day one
642
01:16:58,402 --> 01:17:02,162
they agreed to share it all equally.
643
01:17:02,322 --> 01:17:06,442
You're lucky to get the success you get.
It's such a joy.
644
01:17:06,602 --> 01:17:11,442
You're playing music
for thousands of people. Like, enjoy it!
645
01:17:11,602 --> 01:17:17,882
Kinda sinful not to really appreciate what
you have when you have so very much.
646
01:17:18,042 --> 01:17:23,882
Those guys need a shrink all together.
Each one individually, and then as a band.
647
01:17:24,042 --> 01:17:27,402
Are you okay?
648
01:17:27,562 --> 01:17:29,682
We ok too!
649
01:18:18,922 --> 01:18:25,082
Paul always has plenty of sturf
going on musically, so l let go.
650
01:18:25,242 --> 01:18:29,202
Stopped caring.
651
01:18:29,362 --> 01:18:33,962
It ended like it often does with a-ha,
in a tug of war, bad vibes.
652
01:18:34,122 --> 01:18:40,042
I started to feel ready
to get out of a-ha altogether.
653
01:19:15,802 --> 01:19:20,282
I decided to move back to Norway.
Our first son had arrived.
654
01:19:20,442 --> 01:19:25,962
My wife was unhappy in London.
I told the others.
655
01:19:26,122 --> 01:19:31,082
"I'm moving back home.
I've got 1 8 months of national service."
656
01:19:31,242 --> 01:19:35,522
"And that basically means
no more a-ha for me."
657
01:19:35,682 --> 01:19:39,562
"We'll have to see
what happens after that."
658
01:20:24,842 --> 01:20:32,402
I think l needed to get out of the group
and get into my own creative sturf.
659
01:20:32,562 --> 01:20:36,442
Plus I've been an arfist
at hearf from the beginning.
660
01:20:36,602 --> 01:20:42,042
Just basically expressing myself
on napkins and envelopes on tour.
661
01:20:42,202 --> 01:20:45,082
And it started to raise its voice.
662
01:20:55,362 --> 01:21:01,802
When l started to take making
paintings seriously, for real,
663
01:21:01,962 --> 01:21:07,842
it was basically a reaction
to the machine a-ha had become.
664
01:21:08,002 --> 01:21:13,562
It was mainly very therapeutic for me
to do something on my own.
665
01:21:48,682 --> 01:21:53,242
Working with music and painting pictures
feels very similar.
666
01:21:53,402 --> 01:21:57,522
You want the same feeling,
want your hair to stand on end.
667
01:21:57,682 --> 01:22:00,322
That mood... Mood is everything.
668
01:22:16,842 --> 01:22:21,322
It was a huge relief for me to get
into the Wild Seed project.
669
01:22:21,482 --> 01:22:28,442
It's imporfant to remember that in a-ha,
our roles became fixed after a while.
670
01:22:28,602 --> 01:22:34,442
Paul and Magne had played in bands together
since they were 1 0 or 1 2 years old.
671
01:22:34,602 --> 01:22:40,602
Carving out a place would demand
a pushiness that l simply don't have.
672
01:22:47,762 --> 01:22:53,722
Wild Seed was a huge success. lt sold well
and won four Norwegian Grammy awards.
673
01:22:53,882 --> 01:22:59,762
That it never became a worldwide hit was
mostly down to coincidence and bad luck.
674
01:23:02,482 --> 01:23:06,602
Some record company person said,
"Yeah, that's good ."
675
01:23:06,762 --> 01:23:11,602
"Then it's out before Morten's solo album.
Oh, l wasn't supposed to say that."
676
01:23:11,762 --> 01:23:14,922
I was like, "What's up with that?"
677
01:23:15,082 --> 01:23:20,842
I don't know who told him, how it was
communicated to him. lt was news to me.
678
01:23:21,002 --> 01:23:25,042
I only found out ages later.
Like, many years later.
679
01:23:25,202 --> 01:23:27,162
I was pretty pissed orf.
680
01:23:27,322 --> 01:23:33,362
You've been recording for almost a year,
preparing songs for the next album.
681
01:23:33,522 --> 01:23:36,922
Paul was very unhappy with my vocals.
682
01:23:37,082 --> 01:23:42,522
And l didn't feel at home on Memorial
Beach, the previous album. Not at all.
683
01:23:42,682 --> 01:23:47,442
I felt l was the wrong guy for Paul.
I thought like, "Peel free."
684
01:23:47,602 --> 01:23:50,322
"Find someone who does what you want."
685
01:23:51,162 --> 01:23:56,042
I felt it could've been handled better
so l didn't waste time on sturf
686
01:23:56,202 --> 01:23:58,602
that isn't gonna happen.
687
01:23:58,762 --> 01:24:04,082
That's when l started sorf of
figuring out, "Time to do something else."
688
01:24:34,642 --> 01:24:37,522
It's never been my desire to be in a band.
689
01:24:37,682 --> 01:24:42,522
I'm in a band with him because
l was submerged in music.
690
01:24:42,682 --> 01:24:46,522
I had to come out on the other
side as a writer or die.
691
01:24:46,682 --> 01:24:52,802
I had to learn music or get divorced.
Because it was just 24I7 with him.
692
01:25:11,802 --> 01:25:15,722
But it's weird to suddenly
be in the middle.
693
01:25:15,882 --> 01:25:19,682
"What am l doing in the middle?
I should be over there!"
694
01:25:19,842 --> 01:25:22,522
Give me a hug.
695
01:25:22,682 --> 01:25:24,962
You did great.
696
01:25:27,762 --> 01:25:30,362
Nice. We should do it again.
697
01:25:52,362 --> 01:25:57,362
It's four years since their last show,
but now a-ha's back together.
698
01:25:57,522 --> 01:26:02,242
Even though we dropped out,
we never settled it.
699
01:26:02,402 --> 01:26:04,922
It's always been there.
700
01:26:05,082 --> 01:26:09,802
Unfinished business, like.
We never felt we were done.
701
01:26:09,962 --> 01:26:13,722
It would be natural to do it.
The question is when.
702
01:26:14,842 --> 01:26:18,402
There's this feeling of a common destiny.
703
01:26:19,482 --> 01:26:24,122
There are some good signals in what
we're working on now.
704
01:26:24,282 --> 01:26:30,202
There's a lot more potential, and as long
as there is, it's interesting to go on.
705
01:27:08,362 --> 01:27:14,722
Before the release of the new album,
Minor Earfh Major Sky, there was a while
706
01:27:14,882 --> 01:27:18,762
where it felt like starfing over.
707
01:27:18,922 --> 01:27:23,282
We went to New York, Magne and l,
and knocked orf all the demos.
708
01:27:23,442 --> 01:27:27,922
Spent one day on each.
Morten's songs are cool on that one.
709
01:27:28,082 --> 01:27:32,362
Magne came up with
the fantastic l Wish l Cared,
710
01:27:32,522 --> 01:27:36,562
and other things l liked.
I thought that could be the first single.
711
01:27:36,722 --> 01:27:39,882
It felt like we found a common foothold.
712
01:27:40,042 --> 01:27:45,322
That we had the same musical ambitions.
It felt like a functional band.
713
01:28:17,682 --> 01:28:21,162
Por me, l was in my
probably best period ever
714
01:28:21,322 --> 01:28:26,042
with Summer Moved On. That got like
six out of six in the papers.
715
01:28:26,202 --> 01:28:31,042
People came out of the woodwork saying,
"l always liked a-ha."
716
01:28:31,202 --> 01:28:35,562
It seemed like every a-ha fan
had turned into a journalist,
717
01:28:35,722 --> 01:28:38,562
with a whole dirferent appreciation.
718
01:28:38,722 --> 01:28:42,642
If you know anything about our band,
one band in parficular
719
01:28:42,802 --> 01:28:45,602
shaped our path and our future.
720
01:28:45,762 --> 01:28:50,802
And that band happens to be
from Norway, and they're called a-ha.
721
01:28:50,962 --> 01:28:55,762
In the early 2000's, many major names
came out as a-ha fans.
722
01:28:55,922 --> 01:28:59,282
Coldplay were hard-core fans.
723
01:28:59,442 --> 01:29:03,922
U2, who stole unashamed from
The Sun Always Shines On TV
724
01:29:04,082 --> 01:29:08,682
on their Beautiful Uay, said a-ha
was an underrated band.
725
01:29:08,842 --> 01:29:12,242
Oasis knew their a-ha.
Even Kanye West.
726
01:29:12,402 --> 01:29:15,282
They still have a huge influence.
727
01:29:15,442 --> 01:29:19,042
If you listen to Blinding Lights
by The Weeknd,
728
01:29:19,202 --> 01:29:22,602
both the drum beat and the synths
729
01:29:22,762 --> 01:29:28,722
are clearly, without a shred of doubt,
a tribute to Take On Me.
730
01:30:57,842 --> 01:31:00,002
From Terry Slater,
731
01:31:00,162 --> 01:31:04,642
our good old manager
who opened everything up to us.
732
01:31:07,482 --> 01:31:11,802
"FAME, like a wayward girl,
will still be coy"
733
01:31:11,962 --> 01:31:17,922
"To those who woo her
with too slavish knees,"
734
01:31:18,082 --> 01:31:20,722
This is by Keats.
735
01:31:20,882 --> 01:31:24,322
"But makes surrender to
some thoughtless boy,"
736
01:31:24,482 --> 01:31:29,202
"And dotes the more upon a hearf at ease;
She is a Gipsey,"
737
01:31:29,362 --> 01:31:33,922
"will not speak to those who have not
learnt to be content without her;"
738
01:31:34,082 --> 01:31:37,602
"Ye Arfists lovelorn! madmen that ye are!"
739
01:31:37,762 --> 01:31:41,442
"Make your best bow to her and bid adieu,"
740
01:31:41,602 --> 01:31:44,442
"Then, if she likes it,
she will follow you."
741
01:31:44,602 --> 01:31:47,562
He's absolutely right. Fuck fame.
742
01:31:50,882 --> 01:31:55,122
If you thirst for fame,
you can just forget it.
743
01:32:00,122 --> 01:32:05,842
Every album we make starfs
with a honeymoon period
744
01:32:06,002 --> 01:32:09,442
where we go into it thinking
745
01:32:09,602 --> 01:32:13,762
we should come together in the studio,
see what happens.
746
01:32:13,922 --> 01:32:19,802
But pretty soon the problems
begin to manifest themselves.
747
01:32:19,962 --> 01:32:25,122
Two things that made everything dirficult
was moving to dirferent countries,
748
01:32:25,282 --> 01:32:27,402
and e-mail was invented.
749
01:32:27,562 --> 01:32:31,762
Magne would write ten pages.
Morten would write one line.
750
01:32:31,922 --> 01:32:34,842
I would be four lines.
751
01:32:35,002 --> 01:32:40,522
Before that, you had to pick up the phone,
and it got a bit harder to be...
752
01:32:40,682 --> 01:32:46,522
You know, as isolated, and sorf of...
We didn't dig trenches quite as easily.
753
01:32:50,722 --> 01:32:57,082
The Analogue album didn't sell. The record
company was about to give up on a-ha.
754
01:32:57,242 --> 01:33:03,202
But the Analogue single was a hit,
and reopened the UK market.
755
01:33:03,362 --> 01:33:06,562
And we were planning to retake the US.
756
01:33:06,722 --> 01:33:10,602
So we needed another real hit.
We didn't have one.
757
01:33:10,762 --> 01:33:16,522
So Foot Of The Mountain
ended up being a "maybe" song.
758
01:33:17,442 --> 01:33:20,402
It started out as two songs. One by me.
759
01:33:26,762 --> 01:33:29,002
And one song by Paul.
760
01:33:36,082 --> 01:33:41,642
In the old days we'd probably end up
trying to knit them together somehow.
761
01:33:41,802 --> 01:33:47,802
That was often the process, a bit from me,
a bit from him, see how it turned out.
762
01:33:48,602 --> 01:33:52,562
This time it was Harald Wiik
who suggested it.
763
01:33:52,722 --> 01:33:58,202
He was the one who "interfered"
and suggested we try to merge them.
764
01:33:59,242 --> 01:34:04,162
It's like physically amputating your song
and putting something in.
765
01:34:04,322 --> 01:34:07,642
I'm writing a chorus
about escaping the city.
766
01:34:07,802 --> 01:34:13,682
He's throwing shit about me in the verse.
You know, l can't get behind that.
767
01:34:15,002 --> 01:34:19,522
Paul suddenly says, "This won't do.
This is a private song."
768
01:34:19,682 --> 01:34:24,122
And we feel... We try to digest it.
But we feel he's wrong.
769
01:34:24,282 --> 01:34:28,802
Primarily because...
l don't really believe him.
770
01:34:29,402 --> 01:34:32,202
Paul wanted to remove his parf.
771
01:34:32,362 --> 01:34:35,722
You know, "Write your own fucking chorus."
772
01:34:35,882 --> 01:34:42,962
Finally Morten and l told him,
"lf you do it, you've terminated a-ha."
773
01:34:43,122 --> 01:34:45,642
"Then you're fired ."
774
01:34:45,802 --> 01:34:48,122
Is Paul still in the band?
775
01:34:55,762 --> 01:35:02,082
Paul's next comment was,
"Why all the bad vibes in the band?"
776
01:35:04,402 --> 01:35:06,282
So he backed down.
777
01:35:06,442 --> 01:35:12,882
I let it slide. But l don't
pay any attention to that song.
778
01:35:14,402 --> 01:35:19,402
I would never have suggested it today.
I wouldn't have dared to.
779
01:35:19,562 --> 01:35:23,722
But what I've realised,
what I'm really sorry for,
780
01:35:23,882 --> 01:35:27,122
is how imporfant this is for Paul.
781
01:35:27,282 --> 01:35:30,442
Much more imporfant than l realised.
782
01:35:51,642 --> 01:35:55,802
I like a poison pen song
as good as anybody. l love them.
783
01:35:55,962 --> 01:35:59,922
But that's why you have solo albums
to put that sturf on.
784
01:37:10,682 --> 01:37:14,642
One amazing thing about a-ha
is that after 35 years,
785
01:37:14,802 --> 01:37:19,802
they're still among
the world's greatest live bands.
786
01:37:19,962 --> 01:37:23,682
I don't think people realise
how huge they still are.
787
01:38:22,442 --> 01:38:28,082
This is the last time l ask you.
Has anything changed?
788
01:38:28,242 --> 01:38:34,042
Uo you feel more like going to the studio
to record something with the others?
789
01:38:34,202 --> 01:38:39,882
It's not that l wouldn't like to.
It's just that I've done it before.
790
01:38:40,042 --> 01:38:47,002
And always ended up being disappointed.
But this could be a big hit with a-ha.
791
01:39:05,482 --> 01:39:12,562
We should've gone to New Orleans.
Rented a huge house somewhere.
792
01:39:12,722 --> 01:39:17,402
With voodoo and chicken feet, like.
793
01:39:17,562 --> 01:39:22,882
Stayed there, seen it through,
sweated it out together.
794
01:39:23,042 --> 01:39:28,482
I've said so for ages.
I know for cerfain that it's true.
795
01:39:28,642 --> 01:39:33,722
That could've brought back a-ha.
796
01:39:35,482 --> 01:39:40,442
They're not hungry enough. Like when they
were dumpster diving in England.
797
01:39:40,602 --> 01:39:47,122
Morten ate mouldy cookies. They were
hungry. They were bent on making it.
798
01:39:47,282 --> 01:39:52,042
I think they still haven't made
their best record.
799
01:40:04,122 --> 01:40:09,722
If l can get one more song in there that's
a good a-ha song, ten more, whatever,
800
01:40:09,882 --> 01:40:13,882
it's worfh the hassle.
I can go through a lot of sturf.
801
01:40:14,042 --> 01:40:18,362
If we can strengthen
the legacy of the band,
802
01:40:18,522 --> 01:40:23,642
l don't mind going, you know,
through the painful bit.
803
01:40:24,722 --> 01:40:29,162
Ten, twenty years from now,
they'll go through our list.
804
01:40:29,322 --> 01:40:36,282
All our little quibbles about everything
means absolutely nothing to anybody else.
805
01:40:40,202 --> 01:40:45,362
To me it doesn't feel like
there's any upside.
806
01:40:45,522 --> 01:40:51,922
It just feels like... Going into a room
where I've simply felt awful.
807
01:40:56,482 --> 01:40:59,202
AGAINST ANXIETY
808
01:41:07,762 --> 01:41:10,962
What we know about cardiac fibrillation,
809
01:41:11,122 --> 01:41:15,282
is it often arfects young people
who push themselves.
810
01:41:15,442 --> 01:41:20,362
My experience is that when I've had
the most emotional pressure,
811
01:41:20,522 --> 01:41:23,202
that's when it rears its head.
812
01:41:23,362 --> 01:41:29,122
So in that sense it's obviously connected
to the band and its history.
813
01:42:10,642 --> 01:42:15,042
Paul was extremely supporfive then.
As if in a way...
814
01:42:15,202 --> 01:42:21,682
That the way we'd treated each other
had real consequences.
815
01:42:21,842 --> 01:42:24,762
So it was Paul at his most caring.
816
01:42:24,922 --> 01:42:31,242
He called me. "Magne, we have to do this
so that it works for you, for all of us."
817
01:42:31,402 --> 01:42:37,122
"We have to try to... Can't have
a situation that makes you sick."
818
01:42:37,282 --> 01:42:42,562
I thought it was really sweet. l was...
819
01:42:42,722 --> 01:42:47,762
So then it was like,
a few moments of love, and it was...
820
01:42:47,922 --> 01:42:54,082
But I'm the dirficult figure in pál's
life too, and everything l say about him
821
01:42:54,242 --> 01:42:59,602
does have a counterpoint in him.
822
01:44:09,202 --> 01:44:14,042
A-ha was never based on friendship.
Of course there's friendship.
823
01:44:14,202 --> 01:44:19,122
But it's not the cornerstone,
not what brought us together.
824
01:44:19,282 --> 01:44:24,762
We had a bond through music.
That was our strength.
825
01:44:26,482 --> 01:44:29,602
We wouldn't have stuck together otherwise.
826
01:44:29,762 --> 01:44:33,202
I think we have a genuine respect
for our talents.
827
01:44:33,362 --> 01:44:38,322
We still appreciate each other very much.
No less than before.
828
01:44:38,482 --> 01:44:40,442
Maybe more.
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