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What makes Roy Cohn tick?
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A love of a good fight.
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A certain pleasure I derive
in fighting against power
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and the establishment.
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I will take on a cause against
practically anybody.
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I hate hypocrisy.
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You describe yourself, and it rings true,
as a non-conformist.
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Right. I am myself,
an oddball in a lot of ways.
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I don't like conventional things
or conventional standards
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or conventional people
or conventional boredom,
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or anything along those lines.
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In fact, I, very early in
life, broke with tradition,
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and left my Jewish
upper-class-oriented life, in New York,
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and became a contradiction of everything
I was supposed to stand for.
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- Let me talk to you about your boat.
- Sure.
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- Okay. What did you--? The boat sunk off Florida.
- Okay, it was not my boat.
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It was owned by a corporation.
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And it was leased part-time by the firm.
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A crew member's killed on a boat
that many considered yours.
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So it was not my boat.
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The name of the crew member
was Charles Martensen, he was 21,
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and his father, who I've talked to...
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In effect-- Not in effect, just out and out
thinks you murdered his son.
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- He thinks I murdered his son?
- To get the insurance on the boat.
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Well, of course, let's look at it this way.
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A, I didn't own the boat.
B, I didn't get the insurance.
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C, the statement is an
outrageous falsehood.
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Four, how am I gonna get angry
at a man who lost his son?
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Couldn't be sorrier for
him and for what happened.
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Many people who I've talked to
have said to me,
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"Do you know that Roy is a homosexual?"
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I would answer you this way.
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Anybody who knows me,
or knows anything about me,
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or who knows the way my mind works,
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would have an awfully
hard time reconciling...
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that with any kind of homosexuality.
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In other words,
every facet of my personality,
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my aggressiveness and my toughness,
and everything along those lines,
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is just totally, I suppose,
incompatible with anything like that.
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But he didn't say he was,
he didn't say he wasn't.
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A lot of people say they see you
with a lot of good-looking young men.
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I like young people.
There's no question about that.
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I like being around young people.
They're more fun.
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If I said to you, "Roy
Cohn, what are your flaws?"
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What are my flaws?
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Okay, I'll tell you what my flaws are.
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My flaws are being completely tactless.
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I cannot listen to baloney. Impatience.
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A total failure to sympathize
with the emotional element in life.
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Last question today.
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A fair number of people say
Roy Cohn is amoral.
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He will use anything to
win, do anything to win.
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Employ any trick, any subterfuge, etcetera.
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I'd say that has to come, probably,
from people who have lost to me.
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- Because I...
- But here...
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