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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,520 Tonight on History's Greatest Mysteries... 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,720 ..the Roswell investigation goes into uncharted territory. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,760 Previously, a cryptic journal may hold 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,240 vital clues to what crashed near Roswell in 1947. 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,040 It belonged to an Army intelligence officer who inspected the wreckage 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,640 and was sure it was extraterrestrial. 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,880 It was not anything from this Earth. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,680 That I'm quite sure of. 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,120 But the Army said it was a routine weather balloon. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,560 Decades later, that officer, Jesse Marcel, 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,720 said he was forced to lie. 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,280 But all I could do was keep my mouth shut. 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,560 His family hopes a former CIA investigator will find the truth, 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,720 which might be hiding inside the mysterious journal. 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,800 What I'm seeing throughout the document is consistent 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,360 with that time period. 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,400 It has been authenticated by a forensic document expert, 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,320 but what does the strange writing mean? 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,200 I'm Laurence Fishburne. 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,200 As our mystery continues, 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,720 a famed cryptologist examines the journal for signs of a code. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Is there a message the writer wanted the world to hear? 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,080 And can new technology read the words of a memo 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,160 from a photograph taken after the Roswell crash? 25 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:21,280 If this document says "victims of the wreck," it negates 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,120 the sceptical arguments about the Roswell case. 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,760 And tracking down the family of alleged eyewitnesses who say 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,360 they already know the truth. 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,680 There were little people walking around, and there were some dead 30 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,160 and some alive. 31 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:37,680 What really happened at Roswell, New Mexico, an event that has 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,440 obsessed the world? 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,320 It's difficult to determine whether or not those are three 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,120 numerical sevens or whether they are meant to form a capital letter M. 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,360 What's the date of that page? 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,960 August 31, 1947. 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,440 That's interesting. 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,360 Your grandpa would have been in Roswell at that point. 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,240 He would have been in Roswell, yes. 40 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Former CIA investigator Ben Smith has returned to the office 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,880 of Jennifer Naso, one of America's top handwriting experts. 42 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:26,080 Joining Smith is Jesse Marcel's grandson, who believes his 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,040 grandfather was torn between his duty as an intelligence 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,240 officer to keep secrets and a hunger to tell people what he really saw. 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,440 I think my grandfather really wanted to tell everything he knew about it. 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,120 I can't believe for a second that he was gonna let the story 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,960 die with him. 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,120 For more than a month, Naso has been analysing the puzzling 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,480 journal that Marcel kept among his most valuable papers. 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,840 She has determined that the journal was written during the time period 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,560 of the Roswell incident. 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,080 It's this great mystery. 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,040 Why did Jesse keep this journal? 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,720 What could it tell us about Roswell, which he said was the defining event 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,640 of his life? 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,680 So what then have you learned about the handwriting? 57 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,320 So I did a handwriting comparison with the journal and the known 58 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,120 specimens I had for Jesse Marcel. 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,480 So here is the lowercase P formation. 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:18,520 OK. 61 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Where it starts going up, comes down, forms a loop and ends 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,680 to create the bowl of the P. 63 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,120 OK. 64 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:31,600 Here is the known specimen writing I had of Jesse Marcel. 65 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,760 And here's a P in "Japanese." Yeah. 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,400 And it does not have that high approach, coming around to loop 67 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,200 and finishing with the P, whereas that is seen throughout this 68 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,680 document, 69 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,600 so it's a constructural significant difference that I'm seeing. 70 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,200 So this journal was not written in Major Marcel's handwriting? 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Not based on the known writing I had for comparison. 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,000 It is astonishing news. 73 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,400 Jesse Marcel is not the author of the journal. 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,200 There's no proof indicating a hoax or a forgery. 75 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,840 Or that it's anything but an important document 76 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 to your grandfather in Roswell at the time. 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Right. At the time. Yeah. 78 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,440 It actually raises more questions than answers, then. 79 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,000 This is intriguing. 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,720 The paper and ink are from the right period, but Jesse is not the author 81 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,600 of the journal, so why did he keep it under lock and key 82 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,960 for so many years? 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Unlocking the secrets of the journal will take more investigating. 84 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,040 If it's not my grandfather's handwriting, whose is it? 85 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,880 Who wrote it, and what does it mean? 86 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Is it a code that can be deciphered? 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,640 To find out more, Ben Smith heads to the photo archive 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,080 of a major university. 89 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,800 He's hoping to find supporting evidence to verify Marcel's story 90 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:52,360 that whatever crashed at Roswell was extraterrestrial. 91 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,240 I'm at the University of Texas Arlington, where they keep 92 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:59,640 the original negative of the infamous Ramey photo. 93 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,960 That photo of the press conference staged by General Roger Ramey has 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,920 long intrigued investigators. 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,160 His colleague General Thomas Dubose is holding up a piece of a weather 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,480 balloon, which Ramey tells reporters is what really crashed in Roswell, 97 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,080 but look more closely. 98 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,280 In his hand, Ramey is holding a memo, too blurry to read, 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,240 that some believe could confirm Jesse Marcel's story 100 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,880 of a flying saucer. 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,600 I'm here to meet Kevin Randle to learn about the history 102 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,480 of all the analyses conducted on this photo and also to figure 103 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,800 out, what more can we do to decipher the message on that memo? 104 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:40,160 Kevin. 105 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Ben. 106 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,600 It's so nice to meet you. 107 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Good to meet you too. Grab a chair. 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,280 Sure. 109 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,040 Kevin Randle has written more than 80 books and is a former 110 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,440 intelligence officer and lieutenant colonel in the Iowa National Guard. 111 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,280 Among ufologists, he's considered one of the preeminent experts 112 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,400 on the Roswell crash. 113 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,400 The Ramey memo is an interesting part of the Roswell incident 114 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,800 because it's a photo of potential debris with Jesse Marcel. 115 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,320 It's important because we have a provenance for it. Right. 116 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,840 We can say, "This picture was taken on July eight, 117 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,160 1947, in General Ramey's office." 118 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,800 We've got the time. We know who the photographer was. 119 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:23,160 We know who all the participants were. 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,720 On July 7, 1947, Jesse Marcel returned 121 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,360 to Roswell Army Airfield with what he thought was debris 122 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,160 from a flying saucer that crashed on a remote ranch 123 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,120 75 miles to the west. 124 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,760 After viewing the strange material, the base commander for the 509th, 125 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,760 Colonel William Blanchard, decided to issue a press release. 126 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,160 The press release shows up--newspapers all over 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,320 the country, obviously. 128 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,880 "Fort Worth Star-Telegram" gets it. 129 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,640 They say, "Head out to the base, to see what's going on. 130 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,720 They've got a flying saucer." 131 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,240 News of a flying saucer set off alarm bells at 8th division 132 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:05,680 headquarters, so the next day, General Roger Ramey held that famous 133 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,200 press conference to set the record straight. 134 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,080 General Ramey is the one who told the newsman it was nothing more 135 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,680 than a weather observation balloon. 136 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Of course, we both knew differently. 137 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,560 The only reporter in the room is J. Bond Johnson, 138 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,160 and he's communicating with the general, 139 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,680 and he poses Marcel with it but apparently doesn't ask him any 140 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,400 questions, or if he does ask him questions, Ramey would answer them. 141 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,120 He told me not to say anything. 142 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,920 He says, "I'll handle it from now on," and that's exactly what he did. 143 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,280 It was definitely not a weather balloon. 144 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,080 What it could have been, I wouldn't know. 145 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Jesse Marcel's grandchildren believe he was completely blindsided 146 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,840 by General Ramey's press conference. 147 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,600 I see my grandfather holding up 148 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,920 something that he knew that wasn't what he found. 149 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,400 He was adamant that this was not what he saw in the debris field. 150 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,480 The controversy over what crashed near Roswell has made this photo 151 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,800 the subject of intense scrutiny. 152 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,040 You know what we ought to do is take a look at the thing, 153 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,840 give you an idea of exactly what we're talking about so that 154 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,240 you can see what's been done. 155 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:15,680 Yeah, let's do that. 156 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,520 People have been looking at this document for literally decades 157 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,600 trying to determine what this memo says. 158 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,360 The problem with the Ramey memo is it's taken at a slight angle. 159 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,680 It's crunched in his hand, so it's got some folds in it, 160 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,480 so we're trying to interpret the negative in such a way 161 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,520 that we don't read into it what we want to read into it. 162 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:42,840 Right here by the thumb is the words "Fort Worth, Texas." 163 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,680 At Fort Worth, Texas, yeah. 164 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Very critical given the time of the photograph. 165 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,120 You move down here, toward the very end of the--the memo, 166 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,400 toward the very end and to the right side, you can see it 167 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,000 says "weather balloons." 168 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,840 Oh, yeah. Look at that. As well. 169 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,680 You really can. Weather--weather balloons. 170 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,000 So that gives us an idea what the document is about. 171 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,000 It's not the laundry list. It's not a grocery list. 172 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,800 It has to do with what's going on there in Roswell. 173 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,840 The other thing that is important is right down here, 174 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,800 we have one word. 175 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,920 Now, if we can determine what that word is, that might tell us something. 176 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,400 If it's Ramey, then this is a document that was prepared 177 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,320 by General Ramey, and that provides us with a little bit of information about it. 178 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,000 Some people interpret it as "Temple." 179 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,160 Oddly, Temple was a codename of J. Edgar Hoover. 180 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,640 No case ever ends for the Federal Bureau 181 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:34,320 of Investigation until it is solved and closed with the conviction 182 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,480 of the guilty or the acquittal of the innocent. 183 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,400 It would not be surprising if the memo referred to 184 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,240 J. Edgar Hoover, the legendary 37-year director of the FBI. 185 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,200 No clue, no matter how seemingly unimportant, 186 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,160 can be overlooked. 187 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,760 He'd been pushing for the FBI to have access to the Army's 188 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,360 investigation of Roswell but had been turned down. 189 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,000 In a note dated July 15, 1947, just days after the crash, 190 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,280 Hoover contemplated the idea of creating a special FBI unit 191 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,720 to investigate UFOs. 192 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,000 "I would consider it," Hoover wrote, adding that, "We must insist on full 193 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,440 access to the disc recovered." 194 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:21,160 But the important part of this is this sentence right here. 195 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,920 It could be "victims of the wreck." 196 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,200 "Victims" take us in one direction, suggest something. 197 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,840 Could be "viewing of the wreck," totally different? 198 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,680 If there's victims, that implies a flight crew, 199 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:41,160 and a flight crew implies an alien spacecraft because there's no flight 200 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,320 crew in a weather balloon. 201 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,360 The previous press release put out the day before didn't mention 202 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,560 anything about victims. 203 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,920 If this document says "victims of the wreck," it negates an awful 204 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,680 lot of the sceptical arguments about the Roswell case. 205 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,560 I think there's some new technology we can bring to get down 206 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,520 to the micron level 207 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,160 and really bring out the text to decipher the meaning of the memo. 208 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,640 Anything like that would be great because what we need to know 209 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:09,800 is what it says. 210 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,520 The photo archive at the University of Texas at Arlington 211 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,280 holds 4.5 million negatives, most of which are stored at 38 degrees 212 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,800 Fahrenheit to prevent them from deteriorating. 213 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,200 So why does the Ramey photo negative need to be stored 214 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,520 in cold conditions? 215 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:31,200 It's in that very vulnerable time period from the 1930s 216 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,280 to the 1950s or so. 217 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Those acetate negatives in particular, stored in regular 218 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,000 room temperatures, will deteriorate. 219 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:42,960 Alright. 220 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Here it is. OK. 221 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,920 It has--it's identified as Brigadier General Roger Ramey, 222 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,120 left, and Colonel Thomas J. Dubose 223 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,080 looking over the wind forecasting device. 224 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,080 Wind forecasting, aha. Yes, yes. 225 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,800 There are also pictures of weather balloons that are included in this 226 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,000 series of negatives. 227 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,720 Right. Because that's what they were saying it was. 228 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,480 Right. Fascinating. Yeah. 229 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,560 Wow. 230 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,000 So the memo is just, what, a quarter of an inch long? 231 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,680 About that, and it's folded, so you can't see the whole thing. 232 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,240 Yeah. I'd like to actually bring in some analysts 233 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,200 with some new technology called GIGAmacro photography. 234 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,240 Using a microscope to actually look at the sublevels of the negative. 235 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,920 It will be the most powerful microscope ever used to read 236 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,800 the words in the memo, and if Ben Smith can bring 237 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,280 into focus the word "victims," it could expose one of the greatest 238 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,080 cover-ups in history. 239 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,160 Ben Smith has gotten exclusive permission from the University 240 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,720 of Texas photo archive to analyse the negative of a 70-year-old image. 241 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,000 It was snapped at the Army press conference where Jesse Marcel said 242 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,800 he was forced to go along with a cover story that a weather 243 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,600 balloon, not a flying saucer, crashed near Roswell. 244 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,600 General Ramey is the one who told the newsman it was nothing more 245 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,160 than a weather observation balloon. 246 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Of course, we both knew differently. 247 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,040 How's it going? Good. 248 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,840 Smith has travelled here with Gene Cooper, an expert operator 249 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,600 of the GIGAmacro, a powerful microscope that will be used 250 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,960 to try to read the blurry memo in General Roger Ramey's hand. 251 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:33,400 This Ramey photo is a piece of history that you won't 252 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,600 find anywhere else. I'm excited I get to see it with my own eyes. 253 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,040 I don't get to touch it, but I do get to use the latest 254 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,040 technology to peer into it at the molecular level to see 255 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,560 if we can decipher whatever message is in that memo. 256 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,560 My goal is to read the memo in General Ramey's hands. 257 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,880 This will spark a lot of controversy, but if we can figure 258 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,160 out what it says, we can perhaps solve the Roswell mystery. 259 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,040 So what we're gonna do is we're gonna get down into the grains of the emulsion. 260 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,040 We're gonna go up to 80,000 DPI with the camera system 261 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,000 that we have here. 262 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,800 It's gonna take a series of focal stacks, which is bringing all those 263 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,160 depths of field into view. 264 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,480 We're gonna merge all those together. 265 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,520 We're gonna then do it over the entire area of that memo 266 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,440 and then see what we find. 267 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,840 And nobody's done it to this photo yet. No. 268 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,840 No...No. I believe that the last scan, done in 2015, 269 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,280 was around 1,000 DPI, 270 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,480 and what we'll be doing today is in the neighbourhood of 60,000 271 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,120 to 80,000 DPI. 272 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,560 Wow...Wow. 273 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,480 So we really might be able to read this thing. 274 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,240 That's what we're hopeful of, and I'm excited to get 275 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,760 in there and see what we can find. 276 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Oh, yeah. This is gonna be great. 277 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,840 To try and read the memo, Gene Cooper will focus 278 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,360 in on hundreds of micro images and then begin the painstaking job 279 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,320 of stitching them together into a mosaic. 280 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,320 While Cooper works, Ben Smith travels back to Roswell to follow up 281 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,920 on an intriguing lead. 282 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Is there any other information to help me in my investigation 283 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,040 to get to that ground-level truth? 284 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,400 Local residents have been reluctant to give Smith the names 285 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,040 of acquaintances that claim to know more details of the Roswell story 286 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,880 than Jesse Marcel ever divulged publicly. 287 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,520 Why the hesitancy to share with me his name? 288 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,600 It's privacy. 289 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,240 We're still protecting the people that--who have been most affected. 290 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,600 When the government says you don't talk about something, 291 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,360 you didn't talk about it. 292 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,840 Smith has located Barbara Duggar, granddaughter of Sheriff George 293 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,120 Wilcox, the man who first alerted the military that some strange 294 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,160 wreckage had been found in the field. 295 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,800 Sheriff Wilcox is the fourth person in that inner ring of witnesses 296 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,960 with firsthand knowledge of what was on that debris field. 297 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,360 Wilcox got to see the debris himself when rancher Mac Brazel brought some 298 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,920 to the sheriff's office. 299 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,480 Smith wants to find out what else Wilcox might have told his family. 300 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,680 If you could, I'd like to hear about your connection 301 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,960 to Sheriff George Wilcox. 302 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,560 I am Inez Wilcox and George Wilcox's granddaughter. 303 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,600 My grandfather, George Wilcox, was a very kind and loving man. 304 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,800 He tried to help the people that didn't have anything 'cause, 305 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,000 you know, Roswell at that time wasn't a real prosperous city. 306 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,920 And when did you first hear about his connection to the events 307 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,960 of July 1947? 308 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,200 In 1969, I was at my grandmother's house, 309 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,280 Inez Wilcox, and it was the same day that they had landed on the moon, 310 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,280 and that's when my grandmother told me about the Roswell incident. 311 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,520 And what did she say? 312 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,040 My grandmother got up from her seat, and she closed the door. 313 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:02,040 She locked it, she put the blinds down, and I looked at her, 314 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,320 and that was not her behaviour. 315 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:07,760 She was very positive, very beautiful and wonderful, 316 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,880 and she said, "I have something that I must tell you, 317 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,920 and you must promise me that you will never, 318 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,960 ever, ever tell this story to anyone. 319 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,880 If you do, we will all be killed," and she started telling the story 320 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,840 to my sister Phyllis and I. 321 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,600 According to Barbara Duggar, when her grandfather got 322 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,880 to the crash site, it was already surrounded by the military, 323 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,400 and they weren't happy to see him. 324 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,200 My grandfather went out to see what had happened. 325 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,480 When he got there, he saw the spaceship. 326 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,640 The flying saucer had crashed outside of Roswell. 327 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,960 There were aliens. 328 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,960 And then she talked about the aliens and how they were dressed. Yes. 329 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,280 How--how were they dressed? 330 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,240 Well, they had on a silk suit, and they had the big eyes. 331 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,800 She said there were little people walking around, 332 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,880 and there were some dead and some alive. 333 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,080 I mean, I just sat there and leaned back in my chair and thought. 334 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,400 Barbara Duggar believed, even more than the spaceship debris, 335 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,880 it was the arrival of aliens on Earth that the military wanted 336 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,680 to keep secret. 337 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Then the military came and told him to go back to the office 338 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,040 because there would be a lot of interviewing. 339 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,000 They surrounded the courthouse. They came in. 340 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,680 They roughed George Wilcox up in front of Big Mom, 341 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:40,240 and she said a redheaded colonel came into the office and told 342 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Granddaddy--got him and told him, in no uncertain terms, 343 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,320 if they told the story of the Roswell incident, 344 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,400 that their family would be killed and all their grandchildren. 345 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,840 I mean, they threatened him, and I said to her, I said, 346 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,920 "You really believe, Big Mom, that the military is going to come 347 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:03,640 and kill all of us?" And she said, "Yes, and they will." 348 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,000 It sounds like it really affected your grandmother. 349 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,520 Yes. She knew that they meant business. 350 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,480 My grandmother, Inez Wilcox, and George Wilcox had been harassed, 351 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,680 they had been threatened, and their lives had been changed. 352 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,520 My grandfather went crazy, and my grandmother had to go 353 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,000 through a lot of hell because of that. 354 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,400 How do you connect your grandfather's mental illness 355 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,680 to the events of Roswell? 356 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,840 What leads you to this conclusion? 357 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,320 My grandfather was perfectly normal. 358 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,440 He wouldn't have been sheriff of Roswell if he weren't. 359 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,480 Right. He was well-respected from what I've read. 360 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:47,840 And after that, he was not normal ever again, ever again, 361 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,640 and if somebody from the government doesn't like it, well, 362 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,440 that's just too dang bad. 363 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,560 It is real. The Roswell incident is real. 364 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,760 It's a powerful story. Thank you, Ben. 365 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,880 And I will weigh it with the rest of my investigation, 366 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,960 and hopefully we can get to truth. 367 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,640 People in America and the world need to know that the Roswell incident 368 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,240 is real and the government can't say it's not true. 369 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,560 "It's an air balloon. It's a weather balloon." It isn't. It was real. 370 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,640 So we are on our way to the second debris site. 371 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,400 What we call the impact site. 372 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,160 The impact site. Yes. 373 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,200 After meeting with the granddaughter of a key eyewitness... 374 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,080 When he got there, he saw the spaceship. 375 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:44,440 ..Ben Smith wants to find physical evidence from the crash in Roswell, 376 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,560 so he's linking up with UFO researcher and author Don Schmitt, 377 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,200 who claims to have interviewed 600 eyewitnesses connected to the event. 378 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:58,400 So who are our primary witnesses that identified this site? 379 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,120 Initially, it was the family of Sheriff Wilcox when they were 380 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,160 describing his coming out north of town. 381 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,520 It was Schmitt who first took Ben Smith to the debris field west 382 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,800 of Roswell, the site where Major Jesse Marcel collected 383 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,400 pieces of what he saw. 384 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,320 This is where it all began back in 1947. 385 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,720 But today, they are on their way to a different location referred 386 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,240 to as the impact site, which is north of Roswell. 387 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,240 "40 miles, 40 miles north of Roswell," that was the drum beat 388 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,920 we were hearing for years. 389 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,440 Schmitt believes that a spacecraft initially hit the ground 390 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,120 at the debris field, where pieces broke off, 391 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,000 but then it skipped 25 miles to this impact site, 392 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,240 where it finally came to rest. 393 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,400 They had the much more spectacular, the much more sensitive impact site 394 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,040 just north of town, and this is where it was much more than just 395 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600 debris and strange wreckage. 396 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,800 There were also remains. There were also bodies. 397 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,280 The third member of the team is Frank Kimbler, a veteran 398 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,240 geologist based at the New Mexico Military Institute. 399 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Well, I've been wanting to go out to this final impact site 400 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,080 for a couple of years. 401 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:20,880 Kimbler has combed every inch of the debris field, 402 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,440 searching for pieces of wreckage, but this is his first visit 403 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,560 to the alleged impact site. 404 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,560 I like science fiction, but I also like science fact. 405 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320 I actually lived here for six months in Roswell before I even visited 406 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:33,400 the UFO museum. 407 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Then I went down to the museum, and I said, "You know what? 408 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:39,040 There's no physical evidence," and that was the whole 409 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,360 gist behind this. 410 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,640 If Kimbler can find traces that a spaceship crashed here, 411 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,680 it would mean Jesse Marcel was right about the source of the wreckage 412 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,120 at the debris field. 413 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,960 I'm excited about this site because it feels fresh. 414 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,560 It's on private property. 415 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,080 It's not known to the public. 416 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,760 It's not marked on any tourist map. 417 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,520 It's been protected all this time. 418 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,320 The debris field was always conceded. 419 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:08,360 That was the one thing that even the press release was based on. 420 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,680 Mac Brazel, the strangeness of the debris, the unusual 421 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,640 characteristics, the qualities of that wreckage. 422 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,720 They've got the debris field. 423 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,800 It's scattered debris. 424 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,680 It's clearly, to them, something that's not terrestrially oriented. 425 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,760 They don't know where it's from, but they're looking for something 426 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,440 else, and it was on one of those flights that they found the rest 427 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,600 of the wreckage. 428 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:40,040 At the very time that the rancher, Mac Brazel, has led 429 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,040 Major Jesse Marcel, as well as Captain Sheridan Cavitt, 430 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,800 back to the debris field, so while they are investigating that 431 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,640 location, the debris field, the military is alerted 432 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,080 to the additional site just 40 miles north of town, 433 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:02,240 which we would learn was the impact site, 434 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,840 the remains of the craft and the bodies recovered. 435 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,920 Don, you know that story about the McKnights going over 436 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,320 to the Ball family ranch before the military came out. 437 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,360 Yes, yes. 438 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,840 And basically said, "Hey, do you want to come over and see the little people?" 439 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,160 Right. That was the talk back then. "The little people." 440 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,640 Little people. Yeah. The little people, the little men. 441 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,880 According to the alleged eyewitnesses, several members 442 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,440 of the alien crew were badly injured or dead. 443 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,520 Would this have been before they made the press release or after. 444 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,200 Before. Because given the crash happened--this was the late evening 445 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:48,320 of July 2nd, so there's a full four to five days before the military 446 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,280 actually is able to seal off the areas, come in and conduct 447 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,960 the recovery operation. 448 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,280 The story of a man named Frank Kaufmann has never been verified. 449 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,760 He claims he was a civilian attached to a military unit assigned 450 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,440 to recover alien bodies and the spaceship at the impact site. 451 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,680 Kaufmann gave this interview in 1995. 452 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,720 There was a lot of erratic movement on the radar screen. 453 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,120 Then all of a sudden there was kind of a flash, 454 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,640 and it just disappeared. 455 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,440 Something just went down. 456 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,440 After spotting an unidentified aircraft, they headed 457 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,040 to the location where it had disappeared from radar. 458 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,200 We got to where it was, and we learned right then 459 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,000 and there it wasn't a plane, it wasn't a missile. 460 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,360 It was kind of a strange-looking craft, and it was open 461 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,360 and--kind of halfway. 462 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,760 Witnesses not only observing the egg-shaped craft about the size 463 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,520 of a Volkswagen Beetle, seeing a number of bodies. 464 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,080 One body was thrown up against the wall. 465 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:12,840 The other one was--was half in and half out of the craft, 466 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,880 and when we got in close, we noticed that there 467 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,560 were about three others inside the craft. 468 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,480 According to Kaufmann's story, the convoy loaded up the ship 469 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,360 and the alien bodies into trucks and headed back to the same base 470 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,960 where Jesse Marcel had brought his debris. 471 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,480 If there was the remains of a craft and bodies, 472 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,320 where would that be located? 473 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,080 If a flying saucer with alien bodies was recovered at Roswell, 474 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,080 Ben Smith hopes that there still could be evidence at the site 475 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,560 where the object might have come to rest. 476 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,680 The search for the Holy Grail, as we would call it, continues. 477 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,680 Yeah. 478 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,840 The debris field is where Jesse Marcel found pieces 479 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,440 of wreckage, but according to Don Schmitt, it is not 480 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,400 where the object finally came to rest. 481 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,800 He believes it hit the debris field and skipped like a rock to land 482 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,920 at what he calls the final impact site. 483 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,400 It's the only wooden windmill on this ranch, 484 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,720 40 miles north of Roswell. 485 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080 Schmitt says eyewitnesses remembered certain landmarks here, 486 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680 including a windmill and a water tank. 487 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,200 Piece of the windmill. Piece of the original windmill. 488 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,000 Holy cow. There it is. 489 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,240 Wow. I mean, this thing is a historical relic now. 490 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,600 And we can see--it is a relic. Yeah. 491 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,080 I mean, you see by the condition of the wood, and that was the one 492 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,920 crucial element in the description of the witnesses, that it was 493 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,120 a wooden windmill. 494 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,200 How tall would that windmill have been, you think? 495 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,560 15 feet. OK. 496 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,360 So it wasn't where you would think, you know, a towering structure, 497 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,960 because as you see what--the prevailing wind, it didn't take much 498 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,440 to keep those blades going. 499 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:01,120 You see the empty bed where the metal water tank existed 500 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,080 back in 1947, so you see, by its circumference. 501 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,080 Yeah. Yep. 502 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,320 It was about eight feet high, as it was when we were first out here. 503 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,640 As I look around, I see the Capitan Mountains, 504 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,280 the same mountains we could see from the debris site that 505 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,800 Mac Brazel identified. 506 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,720 So coming about 25 miles from that direction parallel to the Capitans 507 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840 almost, coming towards Roswell. Yes. 508 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,520 OK. So if we have the windmill right here--so let's walk back 509 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,800 towards the Brazel debris site 100 feet, and we'll set you up 510 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,720 to begin your survey. 511 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,440 That'll work. Alright. Sounds good. 512 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,440 Yeah. 513 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,000 I can't wait to take out a metal detector and see if we can find 514 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,920 something out here. It would be great. 515 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,680 For Kimbler, this is virgin ground. He has never explored it before. 516 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600 It's a fresh chance to uncover evidence. 517 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,200 Well, I don't know. Piece of old wire. 518 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,600 See, that's the thing about this. 519 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,120 I think we're too close to the windmill, and we're gonna end 520 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,000 up with a lot of--we're gonna end up with a lot of trash on the--in 521 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,320 that general vicinity. 522 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,600 If you've got the evidence, if you have a piece of a UFO 523 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,280 in your hand, and you can prove that it's of extraterrestrial origin, 524 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,440 it's history making. 525 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200 That is a quest like looking for the Holy Grail. 526 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,320 Oh, look at this. That was right on the surface. 527 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,760 I wonder if that's it. That's a bullet casing, and that's a--that's 528 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,640 a high-powered one too. 529 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,080 Today, Kimbler is looking for metallic debris. 530 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Alleged eyewitnesses say that when the military first came to this 531 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,200 site, they tried to clean up any evidence of what crashed. 532 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000 You find something? Yeah. We need to dig this one up. 533 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,480 So it's right there. Right there. 534 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,760 X marks the spot. 535 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,280 Deeper than I thought it'd be. 536 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,600 Oh, here we go. Did you find it? 537 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,920 What's that? 538 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,320 It's a little sharp. Feels--looks corroded. 539 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,880 It's--I don't know what that is. 540 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,200 It's heavy. 541 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,480 It is a little green, so maybe a little copper in there. 542 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,280 Copper, it's been buried for a little while. 543 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,400 Let's just bag it up. So mark the waypoint. 544 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,240 Now we got the exact location. 545 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,600 We can plot this on Google Earth. Uh-huh. 546 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,120 We'll know exactly where we are and where the piece was found. 547 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,920 Had this site not existed, if witnesses had not described this 548 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,640 location with bodies and a spaceship, then we might not 549 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800 have the Roswell conspiracy that exists today. 550 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,560 I don't know what to make of it just yet, but there are supporting 551 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,480 details that suggest something bigger happened here. 552 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,000 Ben Smith will have this piece of metal tested to see if it 553 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,640 could be a bullet casing from the 1940s or possibly a kind 554 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,080 of material mankind hadn't yet manufactured. 555 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,040 Meanwhile, progress has been made on another important test. 556 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,200 At the University of Texas, Gene Cooper has been taking 557 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,080 history's closest look at the negative from the famous 558 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,360 photo using a GIGAmacro microscope 559 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,560 to focus on the memo held by General Roger Ramey. 560 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,320 Gentlemen. Hey. 561 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,520 Hey. Hello. 562 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,480 How's it going? Good. 563 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440 How's the analysis going? We've been busy here. 564 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,920 Gene Cooper's goal is to create 565 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,160 the most high-resolution image possible. 566 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,760 The GIGAmacro's lens is so powerful, it can capture the grains 567 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,000 of a negative at 80,000 dots per square inch. 568 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,680 We shot probably around 3,000, 4,000 images total. 569 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,680 Wow. 570 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,960 It's a combination of focal stacking and then image mosaic stitching 571 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,360 to put it all together. 572 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,960 Nobody's ever tried this before. 573 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680 We will have created the clearest resolution in the history 574 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,000 of this iconic photo. 575 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,160 The question is, will we be able to read it? 576 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,720 And will we find the smoking gun that proves the eyewitnesses right? 577 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,280 So in this case, we're looking at the very top of 578 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,560 the acetate base of the negative. Mm-hm. 579 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920 And on there, you'll see different scratches and different artefacts, 580 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,000 so this one that's right next to a key point, a letter there. 581 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,920 This little dot here? That little dot there. 582 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,240 You can see it there. 583 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,760 You'd normally see it on a regular scan, but when I actually focus down 584 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,520 into the negative, it disappears. 585 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,440 Oh, perfect. 586 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200 And not by any, you know, cloning or copying material from one 587 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,720 location to the other or anything like that 588 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,520 digitally, purely optically. 589 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,560 We can start enhancing it to bring out and take a closer look 590 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,960 at each of the individual letters and phrases. 591 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,080 The memo is one of the most controversial parts 592 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,360 of the Roswell story. 593 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,840 A lot of ufologists believe that it contains a reference to victims. 594 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,000 So the question is, can the GIGAmacro identify that word? 595 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,880 I mean, right away, I notice our word "victims" looks 596 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,400 like it starts with a P. 597 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Is that--are you--do you see that too? 598 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,200 Yeah, I-when he first brought it up, I thought the word became "pending." 599 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,840 This extraordinary high-resolution version produced by the GIGAmacro 600 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,200 shows the photo in greater detail than anyone has ever seen before. 601 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,880 What about, yeah, the signature? Can we see the signature line? 602 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,560 This is the signature line. 603 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,560 R-A-M-E-Y. 604 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,600 The Y is way separated from the word. 605 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,480 Could that be, like, a slight rise in the paper 606 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,160 or something, like an optical illusion? 607 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,680 I don't know, like a... 608 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960 It could, in fact, be an optical illusion, 609 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,240 based on the way the camera was held and the lens of the camera 610 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,000 and the lighting conceals things from us. 611 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,400 Right, right. 612 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,480 So do we have any samples of actual teletype or fonts from the age? 613 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760 Yeah, we did look up--there was a font case that did match, 614 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,920 and it actually looks something like this. 615 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440 Actually, that's really fascinating because I, 616 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,680 for some reason in my mind, expected the letters to be 617 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,880 of varying widths and sizes a bit like they are in modern fonts. 618 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,560 So go back to that Ramey photo. 619 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,720 Yeah, the uniform size of each letter really makes 620 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:18,320 for more possibilities, actually. 621 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,320 We're getting closer now to clarity. 622 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,280 We can start to feel, but it still feels fuzzy, 623 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,520 like we're groping for the answer that we want. 624 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,160 Is this about as far as you can go with magnification 625 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,920 without just losing everything? 626 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,360 You are, at this point, seeing the grains of the emulsion 627 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,880 layer of the silver halides, 628 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,840 and there's nothing more to see beyond that. 629 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,400 I was a little disappointed there wasn't perfect clarity in that 630 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,560 image, but using those new details, I think there's enough 631 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,240 there to continue pushing forward 632 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,800 to identify the different letters in that memo. 633 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,360 They have come closer than anyone ever has to reading the words 634 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,040 in the infamous Ramey memo, but if it does say "victims 635 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,560 in the wreck," Ben Smith will have to find another way to prove it. 636 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,440 Ben Smith believes Jesse Marcel knew far more than he ever 637 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,680 admitted in public. 638 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120 I was familiar with all materials used in aircraft. 639 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,720 This was nothing like that. 640 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,360 As an intelligence officer, Marcel knew that he was duty-bound 641 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,200 to keep classified secrets for life. 642 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,520 It's curious. 643 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,360 Jesse said the wreckage he found was extraterrestrial, 644 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,400 but if he thought it was an alien spacecraft, 645 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,160 why didn't he mention its crew? 646 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,240 Does the journal Marcel kept close his whole life contain 647 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,120 the rest of the story, including details of a cover-up? 648 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,320 What Smith knows so far is that Marcel didn't write it himself 649 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,680 and it is a jumble of disconnected phrases that might be code. 650 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800 "When down in the mouth, remember Jonah. 651 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,360 He came out alright." 652 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,560 If this journal is related to the events of Roswell and you're 653 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,680 writing it to conceal your thoughts, 654 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,360 it's an interesting quote to start off your code. 655 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,000 How did it go out there? It's been interesting. 656 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,800 To discuss how to push the journal investigation forward, 657 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880 Ben Smith is meeting with Joe Pappalardo, 658 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,080 an aviation expert and author of 659 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,680 "Spaceport Earth. The Reinvention of Space Flight." 660 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,360 Pappalardo is well-versed in the Roswell story. 661 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,160 I went to a former Secret Service authenticator. 662 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Uh-huh. 663 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,360 She cut her teeth tracking threats from crazy people 664 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,960 and nefarious people. 665 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120 To link the letter to the person writing it to build 666 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,320 a criminal case or. 667 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,320 Yeah, basically. 668 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,520 That had to hold up in court, so she's the real deal. 669 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,200 Yeah. 670 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440 The first question we started out with was, "Is this an authentic 671 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,280 document?" The paper itself dates to prior to 1950? 672 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,560 OK. 673 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,560 So she actually looked at the ink, which suggests that it was written 674 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,000 before there were ballpoint pens, so again, before 1950. 675 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,760 Another feature she identified was this watermark. 676 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,880 This watermark belongs to a paper mill located in Juniata, 677 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,560 Pennsylvania, Juniata County, which is actually next 678 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,600 to Harrisburg, where Jesse went to intelligence school. 679 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,640 Now, I don't know yet whether that's just a coincidence, 680 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,000 but it's pretty exciting that at least the journal itself 681 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,840 and the ink and the paper are all legitimate. 682 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,520 No matter what else this says--this journal could say anything 683 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,200 or nothing, but at this point, it has told you something important, 684 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,440 which is the Marcel family is acting in good faith. 685 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,240 If you had found that the paper and the ink didn't match 686 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,400 chronologically, you'd have to doubt every other part of this story, 687 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,920 so this is the foundation by which the rest of the investigation 688 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,760 into this piece of evidence is grounded. 689 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,400 Yeah. 690 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,640 Now, the sample size of Jesse's handwriting is actually pretty 691 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,600 small, but she felt fairly confident that the handwriting in this journal 692 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,360 did not match Jesse Marcel's. 693 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520 Hmm. That's even more intriguing. 694 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,240 If it's not his, why did he keep it? 695 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,760 Jesse Marcel stayed silent for more than 30 years, 696 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,360 working as an ordinary TV repairman in his home town of Houma, Louisiana. 697 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,120 We left Roswell perhaps around 3:30 or 4:00 in the afternoon. 698 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,440 It is very difficult. 699 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,000 In fact, with just verbal directions, 700 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,520 we never would have found it. 701 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,800 In 1980, he returned to Roswell and gave that bombshell TV interview 702 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,960 in which he claimed before the world that he'd been forced to lie 703 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560 about what he'd found in the debris field. 704 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,160 I had never seen anything like that before. 705 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520 As of right--as of now, I don't know what it was. 706 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,560 After Marcel went public, several retired officers 707 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,080 from the 509th spoke up to support his story of a cover-up 708 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,120 and added the extraordinary claim that the Army had recovered 709 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,000 a spaceship and the bodies of aliens. 710 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,840 Some of that testimony was recorded by ufologists in a 1991 document 711 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560 called "Recollections of Roswell." 712 00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,440 I had learned first that the sergeant of the guard 713 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,960 with a series of airmen went out, and they surrounded the site. 714 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,920 Robert Shirkey was assistant operations officer for 715 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,640 the 509th bomber group. 716 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,360 Then they swept the area and picked up everything they could. 717 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,480 The bodies were brought in, and everything was laid out 718 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,240 in hangar 84. 719 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,400 Hangar 84 has figured prominently in the stories of alleged 720 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,000 eyewitnesses who say it's where the secrets of this 721 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,320 extraterrestrial crash were hidden. 722 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,680 I received a telephone call from the mortuary officer out 723 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,320 at the Army Airfield Base. 724 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,280 Glenn Dennis was the mortician at the Ballard Funeral Home, 725 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,080 which provided services for the Roswell Army base. 726 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,880 He was inquiring about, what would be the smallest possible 727 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,520 casket that we could get that would be hermetically sealed? 728 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,640 Dennis says he assumed there'd been some kind of deadly accident 729 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,360 involving children, so he delivered three small coffins to the air base. 730 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160 And I had this friend, this lieutenant nurse that 731 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,800 I knew quite well. 732 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,040 She said, "How did you get in here? 733 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,240 What are you doing in here?" And she said, "You're gonna get in a lot 734 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,320 of trouble?" She said, "Would you please leave? 735 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,360 And get out of here in a hurry." 736 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,640 By the time I had turned around, there was another officer said, 737 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,000 "Hey, wait a minute," and I said, "Looks like you had a crash. 738 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,440 Where was the crash?" And he said, "You get the hell out of here, 739 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,960 and you didn't see anything, and you don't talk to anybody." 740 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440 Like Marcel, Walter Haut, also with the 509th, 741 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,160 felt intimidated to stay silent. 742 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,240 This is censorship, pure and simple. 743 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,680 And I don't like it. 744 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,480 For many years, Walter Haut, the 509th's public information 745 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,520 officer, claimed he simply did as he was told and issued that 746 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,640 famous press release, but later, Haut told ufologists that 747 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,480 what Marcel said was true and only a fraction of the story. 748 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,720 He had personally seen the alien bodies inside Hangar 84. 749 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,720 Some type of craft from outer space. From where, I do not know. 750 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,560 Before he died, a pilot named Oliver "Pappy" Henderson, 751 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,520 who was stationed at Roswell Army Air Base, 752 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,480 in July 1947, made a shocking claim to his wife and daughter. 753 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,560 According to their testimony, Henderson told them 754 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,840 that he was the one who flew the small coffins from Roswell 755 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,920 to Wright-Patterson, even glimpsing the alien bodies inside. 756 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,840 Could these stories be validated in the journal that belonged 757 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,160 to Jesse Marcel? 758 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,680 There is no way of knowing until it is deciphered. 759 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,760 One question that I'm considering was, was this handed 760 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,920 to him for safekeeping? 761 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,160 I'm hoping that I can get more handwriting samples of other people 762 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,440 in the 509th group to see if this might have been passed to him 763 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,800 by somebody else within the bomber group. 764 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,320 It's written by the same person, and for me, that raises another 765 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,200 question why the marked shift? 766 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,240 There could be stress involved, but could stress also mean 767 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,000 there could be a distress signal? 768 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,040 I don't know if you remember Vietnam vets blinking into the camera 769 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,560 with Morse code to relay a message while they're talking. 770 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,560 The order of these quotes is nonsensical. 771 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,160 It's not clear why they held meaning for the writer. 772 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,640 Maybe there's no meaning at all, but it was just a mnemonic device, 773 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,400 a particular quote recalls a memory or a detail. 774 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,840 Think motive too. Who would give that to him? 775 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,120 You can understand that if you're a tight-knit group, 776 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,240 and you're in the middle of nowhere, and you work in an air wing 777 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,000 with nukes, it's a pressure cooker. 778 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,280 They know that they could trust each other with secrets. 779 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,880 Someone might choose him because he was the fall guy 780 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,000 for the incident, so if you're gonna give your encoded journal 781 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,800 or what have you to one figure from the whole Roswell thing, 782 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,720 you would likely trust him to do it. 783 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:42,760 Right. 784 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,480 Next on Roswell: The First Witness, 785 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,680 first, Roswell was a flying saucer, 786 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,000 then they said a weather balloon, and now this... 787 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,160 In 1947, it was the misidentification of these 788 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,240 radar reflectors that is most likely the famous flying disc. 789 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,720 Why do some people find it hard to believe them? 68946

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