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Tonight on History's Greatest Mysteries...
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..the Roswell investigation
goes into uncharted territory.
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Previously, a cryptic journal may hold
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vital clues to what crashed
near Roswell in 1947.
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It belonged to an Army intelligence
officer who inspected the wreckage
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and was sure it was extraterrestrial.
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It was not anything from this Earth.
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That I'm quite sure of.
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But the Army said it was
a routine weather balloon.
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Decades later, that officer, Jesse Marcel,
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said he was forced to lie.
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But all I could do
was keep my mouth shut.
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His family hopes a former CIA
investigator will find the truth,
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which might be hiding
inside the mysterious journal.
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What I'm seeing throughout
the document is consistent
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with that time period.
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It has been authenticated
by a forensic document expert,
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but what does the strange writing mean?
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I'm Laurence Fishburne.
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As our mystery continues,
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a famed cryptologist examines
the journal for signs of a code.
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Is there a message the writer
wanted the world to hear?
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And can new technology
read the words of a memo
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from a photograph taken
after the Roswell crash?
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If this document says "victims
of the wreck," it negates
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the sceptical arguments
about the Roswell case.
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And tracking down the family
of alleged eyewitnesses who say
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they already know the truth.
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There were little people walking
around, and there were some dead
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and some alive.
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What really happened at Roswell,
New Mexico, an event that has
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obsessed the world?
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It's difficult to determine
whether or not those are three
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numerical sevens or whether they are
meant to form a capital letter M.
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What's the date of that page?
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August 31, 1947.
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That's interesting.
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Your grandpa would have been
in Roswell at that point.
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He would have been in Roswell, yes.
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Former CIA investigator Ben Smith
has returned to the office
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of Jennifer Naso, one of America's
top handwriting experts.
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Joining Smith is Jesse Marcel's
grandson, who believes his
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grandfather was torn
between his duty as an intelligence
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officer to keep secrets and a hunger
to tell people what he really saw.
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I think my grandfather really wanted
to tell everything he knew about it.
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I can't believe for a second
that he was gonna let the story
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die with him.
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For more than a month,
Naso has been analysing the puzzling
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journal that Marcel kept
among his most valuable papers.
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She has determined that the journal
was written during the time period
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of the Roswell incident.
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It's this great mystery.
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Why did Jesse keep this journal?
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What could it tell us about Roswell,
which he said was the defining event
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of his life?
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So what then have you learned
about the handwriting?
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So I did a handwriting comparison
with the journal and the known
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specimens I had for Jesse Marcel.
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So here is the lowercase P formation.
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OK.
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Where it starts going up,
comes down, forms a loop and ends
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to create the bowl of the P.
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OK.
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Here is the known specimen writing
I had of Jesse Marcel.
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And here's a P in "Japanese."
Yeah.
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And it does not have that high
approach, coming around to loop
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and finishing with the P,
whereas that is seen throughout this
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document,
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so it's a constructural significant
difference that I'm seeing.
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So this journal was not written
in Major Marcel's handwriting?
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Not based on the known writing
I had for comparison.
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It is astonishing news.
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Jesse Marcel is not
the author of the journal.
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There's no proof indicating
a hoax or a forgery.
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Or that it's anything
but an important document
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to your grandfather in Roswell at the time.
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Right. At the time.
Yeah.
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It actually raises more
questions than answers, then.
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This is intriguing.
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The paper and ink are from the right
period, but Jesse is not the author
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of the journal, so why did he keep
it under lock and key
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for so many years?
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Unlocking the secrets of the journal
will take more investigating.
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If it's not my grandfather's
handwriting, whose is it?
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Who wrote it, and what does it mean?
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Is it a code that can be deciphered?
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To find out more, Ben Smith heads
to the photo archive
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of a major university.
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He's hoping to find supporting
evidence to verify Marcel's story
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that whatever crashed at Roswell
was extraterrestrial.
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I'm at the University
of Texas Arlington, where they keep
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the original negative
of the infamous Ramey photo.
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That photo of the press conference
staged by General Roger Ramey has
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long intrigued investigators.
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His colleague General Thomas Dubose
is holding up a piece of a weather
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balloon, which Ramey tells reporters
is what really crashed in Roswell,
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but look more closely.
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In his hand, Ramey is holding
a memo, too blurry to read,
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that some believe could confirm
Jesse Marcel's story
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of a flying saucer.
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I'm here to meet Kevin Randle
to learn about the history
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of all the analyses conducted
on this photo and also to figure
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out, what more can we do to decipher
the message on that memo?
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Kevin.
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Ben.
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It's so nice to meet you.
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Good to meet you too. Grab a chair.
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Sure.
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Kevin Randle has written more
than 80 books and is a former
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intelligence officer and lieutenant
colonel in the Iowa National Guard.
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Among ufologists, he's considered
one of the preeminent experts
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on the Roswell crash.
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The Ramey memo is an interesting
part of the Roswell incident
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because it's a photo of potential
debris with Jesse Marcel.
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It's important because we have
a provenance for it.
Right.
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We can say, "This picture
was taken on July eight,
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1947, in General Ramey's office."
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We've got the time.
We know who the photographer was.
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We know who all the
participants were.
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On July 7, 1947,
Jesse Marcel returned
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to Roswell Army Airfield
with what he thought was debris
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from a flying saucer that crashed
on a remote ranch
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75 miles to the west.
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After viewing the strange material,
the base commander for the 509th,
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Colonel William Blanchard,
decided to issue a press release.
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The press release shows
up--newspapers all over
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the country, obviously.
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"Fort Worth Star-Telegram" gets it.
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They say, "Head out to the base,
to see what's going on.
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They've got a flying saucer."
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News of a flying saucer set off
alarm bells at 8th division
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headquarters, so the next day,
General Roger Ramey held that famous
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press conference to set
the record straight.
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General Ramey is the one who told
the newsman it was nothing more
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than a weather observation balloon.
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Of course, we both knew differently.
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The only reporter in the room
is J. Bond Johnson,
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and he's communicating with the general,
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and he poses Marcel with it
but apparently doesn't ask him any
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questions, or if he does ask him
questions, Ramey would answer them.
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He told me not to say anything.
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He says, "I'll handle it from now
on," and that's exactly what he did.
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It was definitely not a weather balloon.
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What it could have been, I wouldn't know.
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Jesse Marcel's grandchildren believe
he was completely blindsided
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by General Ramey's press conference.
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I see my grandfather holding up
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something that he knew that wasn't what he found.
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He was adamant that this was not
what he saw in the debris field.
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The controversy over what crashed
near Roswell has made this photo
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the subject of intense scrutiny.
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You know what we ought to do is take
a look at the thing,
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give you an idea of exactly
what we're talking about so that
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you can see what's been done.
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Yeah, let's do that.
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People have been looking at this
document for literally decades
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trying to determine what this memo says.
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The problem with the Ramey memo
is it's taken at a slight angle.
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It's crunched in his hand,
so it's got some folds in it,
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so we're trying to interpret
the negative in such a way
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that we don't read into it
what we want to read into it.
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Right here by the thumb
is the words "Fort Worth, Texas."
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At Fort Worth, Texas, yeah.
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Very critical given
the time of the photograph.
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You move down here, toward the very
end of the--the memo,
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toward the very end and to the right
side, you can see it
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says "weather balloons."
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Oh, yeah. Look at that.
As well.
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You really can.
Weather--weather balloons.
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So that gives us an idea
what the document is about.
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It's not the laundry list.
It's not a grocery list.
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It has to do with what's
going on there in Roswell.
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The other thing that is important
is right down here,
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we have one word.
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Now, if we can determine what that
word is, that might tell us something.
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If it's Ramey, then this
is a document that was prepared
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by General Ramey, and that provides
us with a little bit of information about it.
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Some people interpret it as "Temple."
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Oddly, Temple was a codename of J. Edgar Hoover.
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No case ever ends for the Federal Bureau
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of Investigation until it is solved
and closed with the conviction
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of the guilty or the acquittal of the innocent.
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It would not be surprising
if the memo referred to
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J. Edgar Hoover, the legendary
37-year director of the FBI.
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No clue, no matter how seemingly unimportant,
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can be overlooked.
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He'd been pushing for the FBI
to have access to the Army's
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investigation of Roswell
but had been turned down.
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In a note dated July 15, 1947,
just days after the crash,
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Hoover contemplated the idea
of creating a special FBI unit
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to investigate UFOs.
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"I would consider it," Hoover wrote,
adding that, "We must insist on full
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access to the disc recovered."
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But the important part of this
is this sentence right here.
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It could be "victims of the wreck."
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"Victims" take us in one
direction, suggest something.
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Could be "viewing of
the wreck," totally different?
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If there's victims, that
implies a flight crew,
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and a flight crew implies an alien
spacecraft because there's no flight
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crew in a weather balloon.
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The previous press release put out
the day before didn't mention
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anything about victims.
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If this document says "victims
of the wreck," it negates an awful
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lot of the sceptical arguments
about the Roswell case.
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I think there's some new technology
we can bring to get down
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to the micron level
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and really bring out the text to
decipher the meaning of the memo.
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Anything like that would be great
because what we need to know
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is what it says.
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The photo archive at the University
of Texas at Arlington
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holds 4.5 million negatives, most
of which are stored at 38 degrees
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Fahrenheit to prevent
them from deteriorating.
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So why does the Ramey photo
negative need to be stored
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in cold conditions?
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It's in that very vulnerable time
period from the 1930s
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to the 1950s or so.
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Those acetate negatives
in particular, stored in regular
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room temperatures, will deteriorate.
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Alright.
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Here it is. OK.
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It has--it's identified
as Brigadier General Roger Ramey,
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left, and Colonel Thomas J. Dubose
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looking over the wind forecasting device.
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Wind forecasting, aha.
Yes, yes.
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There are also pictures of weather
balloons that are included in this
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series of negatives.
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Right.
Because that's what they were saying it was.
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Right. Fascinating.
Yeah.
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Wow.
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So the memo is just, what,
a quarter of an inch long?
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About that, and it's folded,
so you can't see the whole thing.
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Yeah.
I'd like to actually bring in some analysts
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with some new technology called
GIGAmacro photography.
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Using a microscope to actually look
at the sublevels of the negative.
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It will be the most powerful
microscope ever used to read
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the words in the memo,
and if Ben Smith can bring
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into focus the word "victims," it
could expose one of the greatest
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cover-ups in history.
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Ben Smith has gotten exclusive
permission from the University
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of Texas photo archive to analyse
the negative of a 70-year-old image.
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It was snapped at the Army press
conference where Jesse Marcel said
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he was forced to go along
with a cover story that a weather
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balloon, not a flying saucer,
crashed near Roswell.
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General Ramey is the one who told
the newsman it was nothing more
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than a weather observation balloon.
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Of course, we both knew differently.
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How's it going?
Good.
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Smith has travelled here
with Gene Cooper, an expert operator
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of the GIGAmacro, a powerful
microscope that will be used
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to try to read the blurry memo
in General Roger Ramey's hand.
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This Ramey photo is a piece
of history that you won't
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find anywhere else. I'm excited
I get to see it with my own eyes.
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I don't get to touch it,
but I do get to use the latest
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technology to peer into it
at the molecular level to see
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if we can decipher whatever
message is in that memo.
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My goal is to read the memo
in General Ramey's hands.
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This will spark a lot
of controversy, but if we can figure
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out what it says, we can perhaps
solve the Roswell mystery.
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So what we're gonna do is we're
gonna get down into the grains of the emulsion.
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We're gonna go up to 80,000 DPI
with the camera system
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that we have here.
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It's gonna take a series of focal
stacks, which is bringing all those
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depths of field into view.
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We're gonna merge all those together.
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We're gonna then do it over
the entire area of that memo
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and then see what we find.
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And nobody's done it to this photo yet.
No.
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No...No. I believe that the last
scan, done in 2015,
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was around 1,000 DPI,
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and what we'll be doing today
is in the neighbourhood of 60,000
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to 80,000 DPI.
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Wow...Wow.
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So we really might be
able to read this thing.
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That's what we're hopeful of,
and I'm excited to get
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in there and see what we can find.
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Oh, yeah. This is gonna be great.
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To try and read the memo,
Gene Cooper will focus
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in on hundreds of micro images
and then begin the painstaking job
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of stitching them together into a mosaic.
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While Cooper works, Ben Smith
travels back to Roswell to follow up
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on an intriguing lead.
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Is there any other information
to help me in my investigation
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to get to that ground-level truth?
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Local residents have been reluctant
to give Smith the names
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of acquaintances that claim to know
more details of the Roswell story
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than Jesse Marcel ever divulged publicly.
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Why the hesitancy to share with me his name?
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It's privacy.
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We're still protecting the people
that--who have been most affected.
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When the government says you don't
talk about something,
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you didn't talk about it.
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Smith has located Barbara Duggar,
granddaughter of Sheriff George
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Wilcox, the man who first alerted
the military that some strange
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wreckage had been found in the field.
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Sheriff Wilcox is the fourth person
in that inner ring of witnesses
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with firsthand knowledge
of what was on that debris field.
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Wilcox got to see the debris himself
when rancher Mac Brazel brought some
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to the sheriff's office.
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Smith wants to find out what else
Wilcox might have told his family.
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If you could, I'd like to hear
about your connection
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to Sheriff George Wilcox.
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I am Inez Wilcox and George
Wilcox's granddaughter.
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My grandfather, George Wilcox,
was a very kind and loving man.
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He tried to help the people that
didn't have anything 'cause,
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you know, Roswell at that time
wasn't a real prosperous city.
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And when did you first hear
about his connection to the events
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of July 1947?
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In 1969, I was at my grandmother's house,
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Inez Wilcox, and it was the same day
that they had landed on the moon,
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and that's when my grandmother
told me about the Roswell incident.
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And what did she say?
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My grandmother got up from her seat,
and she closed the door.
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She locked it, she put the blinds
down, and I looked at her,
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and that was not her behaviour.
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She was very positive,
very beautiful and wonderful,
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and she said, "I have something
that I must tell you,
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and you must promise me that you will never,
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ever, ever tell this story to anyone.
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If you do, we will all be killed,"
and she started telling the story
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to my sister Phyllis and I.
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According to Barbara Duggar,
when her grandfather got
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to the crash site, it was already
surrounded by the military,
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and they weren't happy to see him.
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My grandfather went out
to see what had happened.
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When he got there, he saw the spaceship.
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The flying saucer had
crashed outside of Roswell.
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There were aliens.
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And then she talked about the aliens
and how they were dressed. Yes.
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How--how were they dressed?
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Well, they had on a silk suit,
and they had the big eyes.
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She said there were little
people walking around,
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and there were some dead and some alive.
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I mean, I just sat there and leaned
back in my chair and thought.
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Barbara Duggar believed,
even more than the spaceship debris,
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it was the arrival of aliens
on Earth that the military wanted
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to keep secret.
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Then the military came and told him
to go back to the office
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because there would be
a lot of interviewing.
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They surrounded the courthouse.
They came in.
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They roughed George Wilcox up
in front of Big Mom,
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and she said a redheaded colonel
came into the office and told
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Granddaddy--got him and told him,
in no uncertain terms,
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if they told the story
of the Roswell incident,
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that their family would be killed
and all their grandchildren.
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I mean, they threatened him,
and I said to her, I said,
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"You really believe, Big Mom,
that the military is going to come
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and kill all of us?" And she said,
"Yes, and they will."
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It sounds like it really
affected your grandmother.
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Yes.
She knew that they meant business.
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My grandmother, Inez Wilcox,
and George Wilcox had been harassed,
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they had been threatened,
and their lives had been changed.
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My grandfather went crazy,
and my grandmother had to go
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through a lot of hell because of that.
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How do you connect your
grandfather's mental illness
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to the events of Roswell?
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What leads you to this conclusion?
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My grandfather was perfectly normal.
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He wouldn't have been sheriff
of Roswell if he weren't.
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Right.
He was well-respected from what I've read.
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And after that, he was not normal
ever again, ever again,
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and if somebody from the government
doesn't like it, well,
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that's just too dang bad.
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It is real.
The Roswell incident is real.
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It's a powerful story.
Thank you, Ben.
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And I will weigh it with the rest
of my investigation,
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and hopefully we can get to truth.
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People in America and the world need
to know that the Roswell incident
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is real and the government
can't say it's not true.
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"It's an air balloon. It's a weather balloon."
It isn't. It was real.
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So we are on our way
to the second debris site.
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What we call the impact site.
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The impact site.
Yes.
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After meeting with the granddaughter
of a key eyewitness...
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When he got there, he saw the spaceship.
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..Ben Smith wants to find physical
evidence from the crash in Roswell,
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so he's linking up with UFO
researcher and author Don Schmitt,
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who claims to have interviewed 600
eyewitnesses connected to the event.
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So who are our primary witnesses
that identified this site?
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Initially, it was the family
of Sheriff Wilcox when they were
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describing his coming out north of town.
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It was Schmitt who first took
Ben Smith to the debris field west
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of Roswell, the site
where Major Jesse Marcel collected
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pieces of what he saw.
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This is where it all began back in 1947.
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But today, they are on their way
to a different location referred
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to as the impact site,
which is north of Roswell.
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"40 miles, 40 miles north
of Roswell," that was the drum beat
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we were hearing for years.
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Schmitt believes that a spacecraft
initially hit the ground
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at the debris field, where pieces broke off,
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but then it skipped 25 miles
to this impact site,
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where it finally came to rest.
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They had the much more spectacular,
the much more sensitive impact site
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just north of town, and this
is where it was much more than just
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debris and strange wreckage.
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There were also remains.
There were also bodies.
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The third member of the team
is Frank Kimbler, a veteran
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geologist based at the New Mexico
Military Institute.
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Well, I've been wanting to go out
to this final impact site
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for a couple of years.
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Kimbler has combed every inch
of the debris field,
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searching for pieces of wreckage,
but this is his first visit
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to the alleged impact site.
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I like science fiction,
but I also like science fact.
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I actually lived here for six months
in Roswell before I even visited
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the UFO museum.
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Then I went down to the museum,
and I said, "You know what?
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There's no physical evidence,"
and that was the whole
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gist behind this.
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If Kimbler can find traces that
a spaceship crashed here,
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it would mean Jesse Marcel was right
about the source of the wreckage
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at the debris field.
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I'm excited about this site
because it feels fresh.
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It's on private property.
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It's not known to the public.
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It's not marked on any tourist map.
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It's been protected all this time.
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The debris field was always conceded.
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That was the one thing that even
the press release was based on.
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Mac Brazel, the strangeness
of the debris, the unusual
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characteristics, the qualities
of that wreckage.
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They've got the debris field.
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It's scattered debris.
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It's clearly, to them, something
that's not terrestrially oriented.
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They don't know where it's from,
but they're looking for something
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else, and it was on one of those
flights that they found the rest
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of the wreckage.
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At the very time that the rancher,
Mac Brazel, has led
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Major Jesse Marcel,
as well as Captain Sheridan Cavitt,
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back to the debris field,
so while they are investigating that
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location, the debris field,
the military is alerted
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to the additional site
just 40 miles north of town,
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which we would learn was the impact site,
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the remains of the craft
and the bodies recovered.
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Don, you know that story
about the McKnights going over
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to the Ball family ranch before
the military came out.
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Yes, yes.
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And basically said, "Hey, do you
want to come over and see the little people?"
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Right. That was the talk back then.
"The little people."
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Little people. Yeah.
The little people, the little men.
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According to the alleged
eyewitnesses, several members
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of the alien crew were badly injured or dead.
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Would this have been before they
made the press release or after.
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Before. Because given the crash
happened--this was the late evening
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of July 2nd, so there's a full four
to five days before the military
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actually is able to seal off
the areas, come in and conduct
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the recovery operation.
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The story of a man named Frank
Kaufmann has never been verified.
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He claims he was a civilian attached
to a military unit assigned
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to recover alien bodies and
the spaceship at the impact site.
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Kaufmann gave this interview in 1995.
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There was a lot of erratic movement
on the radar screen.
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Then all of a sudden
there was kind of a flash,
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and it just disappeared.
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Something just went down.
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After spotting an unidentified
aircraft, they headed
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to the location where it had
disappeared from radar.
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We got to where it was,
and we learned right then
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and there it wasn't a plane,
it wasn't a missile.
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It was kind of a strange-looking
craft, and it was open
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and--kind of halfway.
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Witnesses not only observing
the egg-shaped craft about the size
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of a Volkswagen Beetle,
seeing a number of bodies.
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One body was thrown up against the wall.
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The other one was--was half
in and half out of the craft,
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and when we got in close,
we noticed that there
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were about three others inside the craft.
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According to Kaufmann's story,
the convoy loaded up the ship
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and the alien bodies into trucks
and headed back to the same base
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where Jesse Marcel had brought his debris.
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If there was the remains
of a craft and bodies,
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where would that be located?
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If a flying saucer with alien bodies
was recovered at Roswell,
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Ben Smith hopes that there
still could be evidence at the site
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where the object might have come to rest.
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The search for the Holy Grail,
as we would call it, continues.
477
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Yeah.
478
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,840
The debris field is where
Jesse Marcel found pieces
479
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,440
of wreckage, but according
to Don Schmitt, it is not
480
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,400
where the object finally came to rest.
481
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,800
He believes it hit the debris field
and skipped like a rock to land
482
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,920
at what he calls the final impact site.
483
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,400
It's the only wooden windmill on this ranch,
484
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,720
40 miles north of Roswell.
485
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080
Schmitt says eyewitnesses remembered
certain landmarks here,
486
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680
including a windmill and a water tank.
487
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,200
Piece of the windmill.
Piece of the original windmill.
488
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Holy cow.
There it is.
489
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,240
Wow. I mean, this thing
is a historical relic now.
490
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,600
And we can see--it is a relic.
Yeah.
491
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,080
I mean, you see by the condition
of the wood, and that was the one
492
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,920
crucial element in the description
of the witnesses, that it was
493
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,120
a wooden windmill.
494
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,200
How tall would that windmill
have been, you think?
495
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,560
15 feet.
OK.
496
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,360
So it wasn't where you would think,
you know, a towering structure,
497
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,960
because as you see what--the
prevailing wind, it didn't take much
498
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,440
to keep those blades going.
499
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:01,120
You see the empty bed
where the metal water tank existed
500
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,080
back in 1947, so you see,
by its circumference.
501
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,080
Yeah. Yep.
502
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,320
It was about eight feet high, as it
was when we were first out here.
503
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,640
As I look around, I see
the Capitan Mountains,
504
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,280
the same mountains we could see
from the debris site that
505
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,800
Mac Brazel identified.
506
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,720
So coming about 25 miles from that
direction parallel to the Capitans
507
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840
almost, coming towards Roswell.
Yes.
508
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,520
OK. So if we have the windmill right
here--so let's walk back
509
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,800
towards the Brazel debris site
100 feet, and we'll set you up
510
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,720
to begin your survey.
511
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,440
That'll work.
Alright. Sounds good.
512
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,440
Yeah.
513
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,000
I can't wait to take out a metal
detector and see if we can find
514
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,920
something out here.
It would be great.
515
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,680
For Kimbler, this is virgin ground.
He has never explored it before.
516
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600
It's a fresh chance to uncover evidence.
517
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,200
Well, I don't know.
Piece of old wire.
518
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,600
See, that's the thing about this.
519
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,120
I think we're too close
to the windmill, and we're gonna end
520
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,000
up with a lot of--we're gonna end up
with a lot of trash on the--in
521
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,320
that general vicinity.
522
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,600
If you've got the evidence,
if you have a piece of a UFO
523
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,280
in your hand, and you can prove that
it's of extraterrestrial origin,
524
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,440
it's history making.
525
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200
That is a quest like looking
for the Holy Grail.
526
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,320
Oh, look at this.
That was right on the surface.
527
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,760
I wonder if that's it. That's a
bullet casing, and that's a--that's
528
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,640
a high-powered one too.
529
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,080
Today, Kimbler is looking
for metallic debris.
530
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Alleged eyewitnesses say that
when the military first came to this
531
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,200
site, they tried to clean up any
evidence of what crashed.
532
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000
You find something?
Yeah. We need to dig this one up.
533
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,480
So it's right there. Right there.
534
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,760
X marks the spot.
535
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,280
Deeper than I thought it'd be.
536
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Oh, here we go.
Did you find it?
537
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,920
What's that?
538
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,320
It's a little sharp.
Feels--looks corroded.
539
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,880
It's--I don't know what that is.
540
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,200
It's heavy.
541
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,480
It is a little green,
so maybe a little copper in there.
542
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Copper, it's been buried
for a little while.
543
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Let's just bag it up.
So mark the waypoint.
544
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,240
Now we got the exact location.
545
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,600
We can plot this on Google Earth.
Uh-huh.
546
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,120
We'll know exactly where we are
and where the piece was found.
547
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Had this site not existed,
if witnesses had not described this
548
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,640
location with bodies
and a spaceship, then we might not
549
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800
have the Roswell conspiracy
that exists today.
550
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,560
I don't know what to make of it just
yet, but there are supporting
551
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,480
details that suggest something
bigger happened here.
552
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,000
Ben Smith will have this piece
of metal tested to see if it
553
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,640
could be a bullet casing
from the 1940s or possibly a kind
554
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,080
of material mankind hadn't yet manufactured.
555
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Meanwhile, progress has been made
on another important test.
556
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,200
At the University of Texas,
Gene Cooper has been taking
557
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,080
history's closest look
at the negative from the famous
558
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,360
photo using a GIGAmacro microscope
559
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,560
to focus on the memo held
by General Roger Ramey.
560
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,320
Gentlemen.
Hey.
561
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,520
Hey.
Hello.
562
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,480
How's it going?
Good.
563
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440
How's the analysis going?
We've been busy here.
564
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,920
Gene Cooper's goal is to create
565
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,160
the most high-resolution image possible.
566
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,760
The GIGAmacro's lens is so powerful,
it can capture the grains
567
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,000
of a negative at 80,000 dots
per square inch.
568
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,680
We shot probably around
3,000, 4,000 images total.
569
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Wow.
570
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,960
It's a combination of focal stacking
and then image mosaic stitching
571
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,360
to put it all together.
572
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,960
Nobody's ever tried this before.
573
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680
We will have created the clearest
resolution in the history
574
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,000
of this iconic photo.
575
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,160
The question is, will
we be able to read it?
576
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,720
And will we find the smoking gun
that proves the eyewitnesses right?
577
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,280
So in this case, we're
looking at the very top of
578
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,560
the acetate base of the negative.
Mm-hm.
579
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920
And on there, you'll see different
scratches and different artefacts,
580
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,000
so this one that's right next
to a key point, a letter there.
581
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,920
This little dot here?
That little dot there.
582
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,240
You can see it there.
583
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,760
You'd normally see it on a regular
scan, but when I actually focus down
584
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,520
into the negative, it disappears.
585
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,440
Oh, perfect.
586
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200
And not by any, you know,
cloning or copying material from one
587
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,720
location to the other
or anything like that
588
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,520
digitally, purely optically.
589
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,560
We can start enhancing it to bring
out and take a closer look
590
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,960
at each of the individual
letters and phrases.
591
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,080
The memo is one of the most
controversial parts
592
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,360
of the Roswell story.
593
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,840
A lot of ufologists believe that it
contains a reference to victims.
594
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,000
So the question is, can
the GIGAmacro identify that word?
595
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,880
I mean, right away,
I notice our word "victims" looks
596
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,400
like it starts with a P.
597
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Is that--are you--do
you see that too?
598
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,200
Yeah, I-when he first brought it up,
I thought the word became "pending."
599
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,840
This extraordinary high-resolution
version produced by the GIGAmacro
600
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,200
shows the photo in greater detail
than anyone has ever seen before.
601
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,880
What about, yeah, the signature?
Can we see the signature line?
602
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,560
This is the signature line.
603
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,560
R-A-M-E-Y.
604
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,600
The Y is way separated from the word.
605
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,480
Could that be, like,
a slight rise in the paper
606
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,160
or something, like an optical illusion?
607
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,680
I don't know, like a...
608
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960
It could, in fact, be an optical illusion,
609
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,240
based on the way the camera was held
and the lens of the camera
610
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,000
and the lighting conceals things from us.
611
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Right, right.
612
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,480
So do we have any samples of actual
teletype or fonts from the age?
613
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760
Yeah, we did look up--there
was a font case that did match,
614
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,920
and it actually looks
something like this.
615
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Actually, that's really
fascinating because I,
616
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,680
for some reason in my mind,
expected the letters to be
617
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,880
of varying widths and sizes a bit
like they are in modern fonts.
618
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,560
So go back to that Ramey photo.
619
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,720
Yeah, the uniform size
of each letter really makes
620
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:18,320
for more possibilities, actually.
621
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,320
We're getting closer now to clarity.
622
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,280
We can start to feel,
but it still feels fuzzy,
623
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,520
like we're groping for
the answer that we want.
624
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Is this about as far as you can
go with magnification
625
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,920
without just losing everything?
626
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,360
You are, at this point,
seeing the grains of the emulsion
627
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,880
layer of the silver halides,
628
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,840
and there's nothing more to see beyond that.
629
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,400
I was a little disappointed
there wasn't perfect clarity in that
630
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,560
image, but using those new details,
I think there's enough
631
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,240
there to continue pushing forward
632
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,800
to identify the different letters
in that memo.
633
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,360
They have come closer than anyone
ever has to reading the words
634
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,040
in the infamous Ramey memo,
but if it does say "victims
635
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,560
in the wreck," Ben Smith will have
to find another way to prove it.
636
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,440
Ben Smith believes Jesse Marcel
knew far more than he ever
637
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,680
admitted in public.
638
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120
I was familiar with all
materials used in aircraft.
639
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,720
This was nothing like that.
640
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,360
As an intelligence officer,
Marcel knew that he was duty-bound
641
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,200
to keep classified secrets for life.
642
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,520
It's curious.
643
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,360
Jesse said the wreckage he found
was extraterrestrial,
644
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,400
but if he thought it was
an alien spacecraft,
645
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,160
why didn't he mention its crew?
646
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,240
Does the journal Marcel kept
close his whole life contain
647
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,120
the rest of the story,
including details of a cover-up?
648
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,320
What Smith knows so far is that
Marcel didn't write it himself
649
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,680
and it is a jumble of disconnected
phrases that might be code.
650
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800
"When down in the mouth, remember Jonah.
651
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,360
He came out alright."
652
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,560
If this journal is related
to the events of Roswell and you're
653
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,680
writing it to conceal your thoughts,
654
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,360
it's an interesting quote to start
off your code.
655
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,000
How did it go out there?
It's been interesting.
656
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,800
To discuss how to push the journal
investigation forward,
657
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880
Ben Smith is meeting with Joe Pappalardo,
658
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,080
an aviation expert and author of
659
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,680
"Spaceport Earth.
The Reinvention of Space Flight."
660
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,360
Pappalardo is well-versed
in the Roswell story.
661
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,160
I went to a former Secret
Service authenticator.
662
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Uh-huh.
663
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,360
She cut her teeth tracking
threats from crazy people
664
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,960
and nefarious people.
665
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120
To link the letter to the person
writing it to build
666
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,320
a criminal case or.
667
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,320
Yeah, basically.
668
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,520
That had to hold up in court,
so she's the real deal.
669
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Yeah.
670
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440
The first question we started out
with was, "Is this an authentic
671
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,280
document?" The paper itself
dates to prior to 1950?
672
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,560
OK.
673
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,560
So she actually looked at the ink,
which suggests that it was written
674
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,000
before there were ballpoint pens,
so again, before 1950.
675
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,760
Another feature she identified
was this watermark.
676
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,880
This watermark belongs to a paper
mill located in Juniata,
677
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,560
Pennsylvania, Juniata County,
which is actually next
678
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,600
to Harrisburg, where Jesse went
to intelligence school.
679
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Now, I don't know yet
whether that's just a coincidence,
680
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,000
but it's pretty exciting that
at least the journal itself
681
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,840
and the ink and the paper
are all legitimate.
682
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,520
No matter what else this says--this
journal could say anything
683
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,200
or nothing, but at this point,
it has told you something important,
684
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,440
which is the Marcel family
is acting in good faith.
685
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,240
If you had found that the paper
and the ink didn't match
686
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,400
chronologically, you'd have to doubt
every other part of this story,
687
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,920
so this is the foundation by
which the rest of the investigation
688
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,760
into this piece of evidence is grounded.
689
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Yeah.
690
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,640
Now, the sample size of Jesse's
handwriting is actually pretty
691
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,600
small, but she felt fairly confident
that the handwriting in this journal
692
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,360
did not match Jesse Marcel's.
693
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Hmm. That's even more intriguing.
694
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,240
If it's not his, why did he keep it?
695
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,760
Jesse Marcel stayed silent
for more than 30 years,
696
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,360
working as an ordinary TV repairman
in his home town of Houma, Louisiana.
697
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,120
We left Roswell perhaps around
3:30 or 4:00 in the afternoon.
698
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,440
It is very difficult.
699
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,000
In fact, with just verbal directions,
700
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,520
we never would have found it.
701
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,800
In 1980, he returned to Roswell
and gave that bombshell TV interview
702
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,960
in which he claimed before the world
that he'd been forced to lie
703
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560
about what he'd found in the debris field.
704
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,160
I had never seen anything like that before.
705
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520
As of right--as of now,
I don't know what it was.
706
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,560
After Marcel went public,
several retired officers
707
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,080
from the 509th spoke up
to support his story of a cover-up
708
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,120
and added the extraordinary claim
that the Army had recovered
709
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,000
a spaceship and the bodies of aliens.
710
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,840
Some of that testimony was recorded
by ufologists in a 1991 document
711
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560
called "Recollections of Roswell."
712
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,440
I had learned first
that the sergeant of the guard
713
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,960
with a series of airmen went out,
and they surrounded the site.
714
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,920
Robert Shirkey was assistant
operations officer for
715
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,640
the 509th bomber group.
716
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,360
Then they swept the area and picked
up everything they could.
717
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,480
The bodies were brought in,
and everything was laid out
718
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,240
in hangar 84.
719
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,400
Hangar 84 has figured prominently
in the stories of alleged
720
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,000
eyewitnesses who say it's
where the secrets of this
721
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,320
extraterrestrial crash were hidden.
722
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,680
I received a telephone call
from the mortuary officer out
723
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,320
at the Army Airfield Base.
724
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,280
Glenn Dennis was the mortician
at the Ballard Funeral Home,
725
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,080
which provided services
for the Roswell Army base.
726
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,880
He was inquiring about,
what would be the smallest possible
727
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,520
casket that we could get that
would be hermetically sealed?
728
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Dennis says he assumed there'd been
some kind of deadly accident
729
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,360
involving children, so he delivered
three small coffins to the air base.
730
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160
And I had this friend,
this lieutenant nurse that
731
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,800
I knew quite well.
732
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,040
She said, "How did you get in here?
733
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,240
What are you doing in here?" And
she said, "You're gonna get in a lot
734
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,320
of trouble?" She said,
"Would you please leave?
735
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,360
And get out of here in a hurry."
736
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,640
By the time I had turned around,
there was another officer said,
737
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,000
"Hey, wait a minute," and I said,
"Looks like you had a crash.
738
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,440
Where was the crash?" And he said,
"You get the hell out of here,
739
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,960
and you didn't see anything,
and you don't talk to anybody."
740
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440
Like Marcel, Walter Haut,
also with the 509th,
741
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,160
felt intimidated to stay silent.
742
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,240
This is censorship, pure and simple.
743
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,680
And I don't like it.
744
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,480
For many years, Walter Haut,
the 509th's public information
745
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,520
officer, claimed he simply did
as he was told and issued that
746
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,640
famous press release, but later,
Haut told ufologists that
747
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,480
what Marcel said was true and only
a fraction of the story.
748
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,720
He had personally seen the alien
bodies inside Hangar 84.
749
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,720
Some type of craft from outer space.
From where, I do not know.
750
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,560
Before he died, a pilot named
Oliver "Pappy" Henderson,
751
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,520
who was stationed at
Roswell Army Air Base,
752
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,480
in July 1947, made a shocking claim
to his wife and daughter.
753
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,560
According to their testimony,
Henderson told them
754
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,840
that he was the one who flew
the small coffins from Roswell
755
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,920
to Wright-Patterson, even glimpsing
the alien bodies inside.
756
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,840
Could these stories be validated
in the journal that belonged
757
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,160
to Jesse Marcel?
758
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,680
There is no way of knowing
until it is deciphered.
759
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,760
One question that I'm
considering was, was this handed
760
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,920
to him for safekeeping?
761
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,160
I'm hoping that I can get more
handwriting samples of other people
762
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,440
in the 509th group to see if this
might have been passed to him
763
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,800
by somebody else within the bomber group.
764
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,320
It's written by the same person,
and for me, that raises another
765
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,200
question why the marked shift?
766
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,240
There could be stress involved,
but could stress also mean
767
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,000
there could be a distress signal?
768
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,040
I don't know if you remember Vietnam
vets blinking into the camera
769
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,560
with Morse code to relay a message
while they're talking.
770
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,560
The order of these quotes is nonsensical.
771
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,160
It's not clear why they held
meaning for the writer.
772
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,640
Maybe there's no meaning at all,
but it was just a mnemonic device,
773
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,400
a particular quote recalls
a memory or a detail.
774
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,840
Think motive too.
Who would give that to him?
775
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,120
You can understand that
if you're a tight-knit group,
776
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,240
and you're in the middle of nowhere,
and you work in an air wing
777
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,000
with nukes, it's a pressure cooker.
778
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,280
They know that they could trust
each other with secrets.
779
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,880
Someone might choose him
because he was the fall guy
780
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,000
for the incident, so if you're gonna
give your encoded journal
781
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,800
or what have you to one figure
from the whole Roswell thing,
782
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,720
you would likely trust him to do it.
783
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:42,760
Right.
784
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,480
Next on Roswell: The First Witness,
785
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,680
first, Roswell was a flying saucer,
786
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,000
then they said a weather balloon,
and now this...
787
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,160
In 1947, it was the
misidentification of these
788
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,240
radar reflectors that is most likely
the famous flying disc.
789
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,720
Why do some people find it hard
to believe them?
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