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[men speaking]
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[police radio chatter]
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Good afternoon.
Initial reports indicated
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that a plane crashed
into the water
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just off the shore of the Fate
Sanders recreational area.
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We do anticipate
search-and-rescue efforts
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to continue through the night.
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We will provide updates
as we have them.
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[police radio chatter]
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The search continues
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after a plane went down
into Percy Priest Lake.
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Investigators updated us
just about an hour ago,
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and they told me
that their rescue efforts
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have now turned
into recovery efforts.
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Rutherford County officials
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just confirmed
the seven people on board
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are all leaders at Remnant
Fellowship Church in Brentwood.
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[videographer] This is
a legal video deposition
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of Gwen Shamblin
on May 23, 2019.
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Court reporter, would you
please swear in the witness.
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[court reporter]
Will you raise your right hand?
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Do you swear or affirm
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the testimony
that you give in this matter
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will be the truth,
the whole truth
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and nothing but the truth?
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- I do.
- Okay.
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[attorney] What is your position
with Remnant Fellowship?
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I am one of the leaders.
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Have any of the members
of Remnant Fellowship
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been asked to leave
Remnant Fellowship
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because they're overweight
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after being there
for a long period of time?
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No.
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Have you ever shunned a member
of your Remnant Fellowship
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because they had not yet lost
all of their weight?
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Never.
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Do you encourage members
of the Remnant Fellowship
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not to socialize
with non-Remnant members?
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No.
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To your knowledge,
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do any of the members
of the Remnant Fellowship
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consider you to be a prophet?
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God has taken 86 pounds
off of me.
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I have lost 53 pounds.
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I have lost 50 pounds
just following my wife.
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She has lost 178.
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I had sleep apnea.
I had high blood pressure.
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I had acid reflux.
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I'm not
on any medications anymore.
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I don't have to use a machine
to breathe at night.
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I'm just free.
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I've always looked
for God's guidance,
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and so, apparently,
he was able to use me.
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Even at a young age,
I adored him,
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and so he used me.
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And what I do in this program
is teach people
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how to stop bowing down
to the refrigerator
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and how to bow back down to him.
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[woman] We just thank you
for this teaching
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that has given us freedom
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and kept our weight off
all this time, God.
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Do you think it's appropriate
for you to use the Holocaust
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to promote
your weight-loss plan?
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- I can give you--
- Okay, that--that's enough,
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I think. Let's go. Let's go.
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[Gwen] What does
the state of the church
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have to do with weight loss?
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The answer is everything.
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I've known for some time
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that resistance to doing
the will of God
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was increasing in the church,
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but we're headed for trouble,
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and someone has got
to warn the people.
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♪♪♪
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Brentwood is located
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in the wealthiest county
in Tennessee.
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It feels safe and protected
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from the harsh realities
of the real world.
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People sometimes refer to it
as the Brentwood Bubble.
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You grow up with the same people
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from kindergarten
through high school.
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You know the community members.
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Everyone goes to football games
on Friday night
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and goes to church
on Sunday mornings.
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There's a church
on almost every corner,
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I mean, kind of in the same way
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there's a Starbucks
on every corner.
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Most everyone's
on the same kind of class.
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There's not a lot
of racial diversity.
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There's not a lot of diversity
of any sort.
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Because it's in that bubble,
I think I am surprised
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that more people don't know
that live right there
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about this place. You know?
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The house that I grew up in
and lived in for over 20 years
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is about a mile
from Remnant Fellowship Church,
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so I drove by all the time.
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It's surreal to just see it
standing there in an open field.
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There's a church next door,
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so it just kind of flows
and fits in with Brentwood.
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You know, church after church.
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And you would never guess
that this church
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was so different
from all the others.
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[singing]
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♪♪♪
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[man] There are guesses
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about how many people
are members of the church.
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We suspect it's around 2,000.
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Most of the church
resides in Brentwood,
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and there have been
quite a few families
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who have relocated
from out of state to Brentwood
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just so they could be there
at the church.
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[woman] The heart of the church
is in Brentwood.
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Forty acres. Huge church.
Beautiful church.
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And members either share housing
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or live very close
to the church.
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And Ashlawn
is less than five minutes away.
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[woman] Gwen Shamblin's
Ashlawn plantation,
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I think it's a seven-bedroom,
25-acre estate.
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I mean, if you can park
your helicopter there,
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then you can probably imagine
that it's fairly big.
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It's right in the center
of Brentwood
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near the Franklin border,
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and it's used as an event venue
for Remnant Fellowship.
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The weddings are very abundant,
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very overdone.
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It's all about reputation
and appearances.
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[woman] They want you
to be clones of them.
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Everyone dresses the same way,
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and the children are dressed
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in, I would say,
turn-of-the-century
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with lots of ruffles and lace.
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And even the little boys look
like Little Lord Fauntleroy.
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And the people are always happy.
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Or they "look" happy.
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[Glen] How members
of Remnant behave
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is a bit like
"The Handmaid's Tale"
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and "Stepford Wives."
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There is a little bit
of this fake persona
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and over-the-top bubbly, happy
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that, you know,
is just for show.
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I am right now on fire...
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- Go.
- ...for God to get his way.
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That's what I want.
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God to get his way.
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When Gwen first started,
I truly believed
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she really wanted
to help people.
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She was so charismatic.
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And the joy on Gwen's face
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when she would talk
about the Lord--
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And when Gwen would talk about
just her relationship with God,
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there was so much joy there
that you wanted what she had.
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[all] ...all about God!
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It was teaching you
how to focus on God
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and how to really grow
your relationship with God,
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and it was probably one
of the best times of my life,
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believe it or not.
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It was one
of the best times of my life.
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[man] You have this person
and a whole movement
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who really wanna do
whatever God wants them to do
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and are idealistic
and wanna change the world
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with their faith.
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It sucks you in, you know.
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And it's not till you get
a good way in
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that you see some
of the other stuff
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that's behind the curtain.
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[Glen] I wanted
to raise children
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that would be good citizens,
hard-working, successful.
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You talk to 'em
about drugs and alcohol
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and driving too fast
and teenage pregnancy,
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but you never think
to coach your kids on a cult.
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It's just--
It's not in the manual.
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Both my oldest and youngest
are very independent.
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Delaney wasn't as much.
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She's extremely smart.
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She's one of these kids
that get straight A's
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without cracking a book.
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She's very, very intelligent.
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[Carey] We'd heard
very few rumors
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about Remnant Fellowship Church.
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But you never really
would hear any details
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because, of course, those things
are coming from people
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who really
didn't have experience.
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It was just outsiders hearing
just that they're weird
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or that they're
kind of shut people off
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and they're not inclusive,
stuff like that.
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But it wasn't anything
super concerning at that point.
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So when she met Jackson,
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I said, "You don't treat him
any different,"
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because I knew
that that was probably a thing
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that some people probably
treated him different
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because of the church
he went to.
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And at some point,
I started to feel like
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there was probably
something else going on
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that she wasn't telling us.
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[Glen] We became aware of it
in 2016.
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They were
in the same grade together,
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and she started taking
an interest in this boy
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and they were
in a play together.
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[Carey] She was in the midst
of applying for colleges,
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trying to figure out what she
wanted to do with her life.
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You know? Just senior year
was kind of traumatic for her.
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[Glen] We were told
by one ex-member of Remnant
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that they had
a high opinion of Jackson.
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He's very much extroverted.
He talks a lot.
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He's generally friendly.
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But because of what I know,
there's an undercurrent there,
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and you kind of realize
the game he's playing.
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[Carey] I knew something
wasn't right,
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so I went into her room and
said, "Let me have your phone."
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I went on
and I saw some very graphic--
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them reliving
some physical encounters.
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So I took her phone
and I called Glen,
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and I said, "You need
to come home right now
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'cause we have a problem."
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[Glen] We had started a little
bit of research on Remnant,
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and we had found
some disturbing things.
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So I met Jackson and Delaney
at Cracker Barrel.
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I asked him directly.
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I said, "Do you intend
to convert Delaney
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to your religion?"
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And he said, "Yes, I do."
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At this point,
he had been pretty arrogant.
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Then I pulled out
the text messages,
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and his entire
countenance changed.
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I said, "I do not want them
seeing each other anymore."
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It felt like
the problem was solved.
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It felt like it was over.
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We found out fairly quickly
it wasn't.
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[Carey] Delaney was saying,
"We're not dating,
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we're not dating."
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I said,
"Then what are you doing?"
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"Well, we just don't like
to put a label on it like that."
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Well, you know, in my mind,
I'm going,
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"He's forcing her
to make a decision.
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He's not going
to make that commitment
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until she joins the church."
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There's a letter where I think
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it looks like
Jackson's handwriting,
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and it was several explanations
about what to say to us
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when she did not want
to be engaged
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in the conversation
that we were wanting to have
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if it involved Remnant.
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[Glen] She was being coached
to be deceptive.
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We found emails
where she was told,
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"Don't forget to delete
your emails,"
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don't forget to change
your password,
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don't forget to use
your other email address."
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We think there are
email addresses out there
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we don't know about,
and we believe
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she probably deleted
lots of emails.
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She was told,
"There's evil in your house,
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and there's shadows, darkness."
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[Carey] And the next week or so,
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I just had that feeling
that there was something wrong,
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and I went into her room
and I found a burner phone,
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and I called her in
and I said, "What is this?"
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I said, "Who gave it to you?"
And she wouldn't tell me.
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So apparently that day
she had walked to church,
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and one of their church members
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took her to Walgreen's
or wherever
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and bought her a phone
so that she could keep it hidden
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so that they could continue
to have communication with her.
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It started to be where
it wasn't Delaney anymore.
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And you could tell
in her eyes...
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that we were kind of losing her.
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[Glen] Gwen Shamblin's
motivation isn't money.
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It was almost be easier
if it was.
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But I think--I think
her motivation is power.
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[Gwen's voice]
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...of mistakes and trials,
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hardships,and finally victories.
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Now that I look back on it,
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this is what Godwas preparing me for
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even early in life.
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Gwen Shamblin really is
a product of her culture.
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She's a Tennessean,
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and southerners
are a unique people.
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They're wonderful people.
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They're people of faith.
They're hard-working.
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And Gwen Shamblin's
the same way.
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We southerners
grow up in a culture
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understanding the Bible
in a particular way.
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And we understand Jesus.
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We understand that religion
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in a very particular way
that you wouldn't understand
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if you grew up in Boston
or in New York, you know.
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It's a different view,
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and that view is
nobody else but Jesus,
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nobody even close,
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and that the Bible
is literally true
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and that it is your job,
above anything else,
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to recruit people
to that way of view.
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Ms. Shamblin grew up
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in one of the most conservative
religious environments
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in our region:
the Church of Christ.
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The church she grew up in
forbad women speaking in church,
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and now she's the pastor
of a church.
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It used to be very sectarian.
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We were the only ones
going to heaven, you know.
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I remember when I was a kid,
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I used to tell
my little Catholic friends
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they were probably
going to hell.
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The Church Of Christ
is a protestant church movement
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that began in the 1800s,
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and it was an amalgamation
of several different groups
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with the same ideas,
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and one of these ideas
was restorationism.
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That simply being the belief
that a recovery
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of your original
Christian practice and thought
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derived only from scripture
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was the only way
to reapproach truth.
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And they, of course, believed
that they'd come across it,
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that they are restoring
lost truth.
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[Adam] Church of Christ-ers
have that mindset of, like,
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it is possible for human beings
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to sort of build
the right church.
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We're gonna look
in the scriptures,
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and we're gonna figure out
what we have to do
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to make God's church perfect
here on earth.
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And I think Gwen just kind of
went into a different direction
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but certainly overboard.
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[Gwen's voice]
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[Rev. Martinez]
Her mother apparently
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was of the persuasion
that you had to clean your plate
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back in those days.
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Since she was the one
of, like, three or four kids,
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she wanted to make sure
she got her fair share.
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Her father would notice
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how her eyes
were bigger than her head.
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She believed that she needed
to clean her plate,
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get all she could,
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but that she always had
a restless hunger for more.
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She traces that back and
tributes that restless hunger
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as part of this sinfulness,
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as part of a lack
of self-control.
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When she finally left home
and went to college,
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she gained 14 or 15 pounds
of excess weight.
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That's where she begins
her discussion
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of trying to understand what it
means to be a thin eater
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who could eat
but not gain weight.
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And as she was going
through college,
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becoming a nutritionist,
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she began to understand
the science behind nutrition,
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but all the other influences
that she's been involved with
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were there
in the back of her head.
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They were there
waiting to come forth.
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If you've tried to lose weight
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with a low fat, high protein,
even liquid diets,
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all to no avail,
there are a number of books
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that suggest you appeal
to a higher power.
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Books like "The Divine Diet,"
"Body by God."
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There's even "What would Jesus
Eat?" just to name a few.
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[Rev. Martinez] She had been
throughout the early '80s
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sharing her wisdom, what she had
found about this thin eater,
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to listen to your body,
to follow hunger cues.
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To her,
it was divine revelation.
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Every time
you want to go to food,
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and it may be 15,
20 times a day, run to God.
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She started
incorporating scripture,
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and people started to come,
but they would lose some weight,
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and they would start
to gain it back.
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And she finally asked the Lord
what's going on,
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and he said that they--
To her, he said--
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To Gwen, she heard God say
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that "they are not following
me and my son.
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They're not being obedient."
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And that's
how all of this started.
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What I do in this program
is teach people
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how to stop bowing down
to the refrigerator
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and how to bow back down to him.
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[Rev. Martinez]
Other Christian diets
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had taught the same
general principles,
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but she in turn expanded on it,
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and she began developing
these Bible studies
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that became the foundation
for the Weigh Down Workshop.
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[woman] Hey, guys,
welcome to week 6 of Weigh Down.
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Debbie, if you want
to lead us in prayer.
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[Teri] A neighbor across
the street told me about it.
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She said
that it's a great diet
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where you don't have
to count calories.
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You don't have to exercise.
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And you could stop in the middle
of a piece of pizza
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or stop in the middle
of a candy bar
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and not eat the rest.
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And I thought, "No way!
There's no such thing."
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The basic principles
were, you know, you can eat
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whatever you want.
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No foods are bad.
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Jesus declared all foods clean
in Mark 7.
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So there was freedom
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in "I can actually eat pizza
and chocolate and lose weight?"
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That intrigued me.
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The world will say you can't eat
that way and lose weight.
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What you did is you waited
for physical hunger,
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and you ate
till you're satisfied.
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And the times that you weren't
hungry, you went to God.
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You prayed. You gave that desire
for the food to him.
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[Gwen] They can only think
about food
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when their stomach growls,
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and that eliminates
a lot of focus on food.
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[Helen] What Gwen would say
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is you have breakfast and lunch
and dinner on your body.
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If you don't have your growl,
you know,
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but your body needs some food,
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it's just going to take
the fat away from your body.
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It's just going to take
all of the extra breakfasts
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and lunches that you've had
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and you're gonna lose weight
and you're gonna feel great.
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You're gonna have more energy,
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and you're gonna be right
with God
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because you're gonna be thinner.
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I started losing weight
immediately.
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I mean, like--
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Within two months,
I had lost 27 pounds.
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So the program itself works,
and it's simply portion control.
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[Gina] Gwen always touted
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that this was, like,
some revolutionary thing
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that God had given her.
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Yet, it's been around forever,
and I'm finding that out now.
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You know, she didn't have--
nor does she still--
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have the corner on the market
in intuitive eating.
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God revealed to me that this
was the true deliverance
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and that the key
to permanent weight control
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is a matter of the heart.
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It plays
to what every American adult
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is obsessed about: their weight.
You know?
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And if you think about how many
Americans are evangelical
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who have been thought that all
the answers are in the Bible
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and that if we just studied
the scriptures hard enough,
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we'll see God's way.
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[Rev. Martinez]
They trusted Gwen Shamblin
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because they felt,
"Look, she's a church member."
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She uses the Bible.
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She's speaking to people
who are in churches
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who have the same convictions.
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You fall out of love
with the food,
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and you fall in love with God.
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It was the way
he intended it to happen.
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[Rev. Martinez]
That bridging of that gap
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is how she was able
to gain the traction she gained
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within the church
and within culture.
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It became quite--quite
a runaway success.
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Weigh Down began five years ago
in a Baptist church.
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It spread by word of mouth
to more than 250,000 people
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in over 14,000 churches
and 70 countries.
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[Teri] Weigh Down Workshop
classes were in churches.
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I mean, it was thousands of
churches all over the country.
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Just about every church
on the corner
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would have
the Weigh Down Workshops.
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- Hi, Ms. Shamblin.
- Yes!
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How are you?
I'm Jackie Taylor,
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one of the producers here.
My sister's on your diet.
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You have to sign a copy
of your book for my mom.
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Her birthday's tomorrow.
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[Rev. Martinez]
She was on "20/20," CBS, NBC.
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It was just
a massive media hit.
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[reporter] To her followers, she
is sort of a modern-day Moses.
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Her book has already sold
more than 400,000 copies.
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[Teri] I thought
of her as a star.
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She had this large, flat-screen
TV in one of her rooms. Huge.
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And "Larry King Live"
was playing--
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her interview
with "Larry King Live"--
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just over and over.
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I think
what we have not addressed
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is that this
is a void inside of us.
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We were made to be addictive.
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And I'm not asking people
not to be addictive.
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I'm saying transfer over
this addiction to God,
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the only thing
that can love you back
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without, you know,
robbing you blind.
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[Gina] There was
a lot going on.
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It was really exciting.
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The Larry King days,
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the, you know,
the Doubleday bestseller days,
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and her book tour days.
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That was the height
when she would go and do
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all these tours
all over the country.
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They're called
Rebuilding the Wall.
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And she would have
everybody on stage.
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They would get on stage, and
they would hold their clothes up
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where they've lost
all this weight.
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I've lost 117 pounds
by the grace of God.
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I'm from Denver, Colorado,
and I've lost 196 pounds.
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- I've lost 156 pounds now.
- [applause]
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[reporter] All of the members
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usually have words
of thanks to Gwen
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for helping them lose the weight
and keep it off,
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something no other diet
has been able to do for them.
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I just have always
wanted to see you.
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- Oh, come here.
- [applause]
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[Gina] She loved on everybody,
you know, just lots of love
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and, you know, made you feel
really great.
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That was something that I,
you know, had missing in me.
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So I soaked that all up.
497
00:26:38,396 --> 00:26:41,099
You know, I was in awe.
It was just like, "Wow.
498
00:26:41,166 --> 00:26:43,468
This person has just
been put here on this earth
499
00:26:43,568 --> 00:26:44,569
to change my life.
500
00:26:44,636 --> 00:26:46,004
And so you wanna
get around them.
501
00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:47,839
I wanted to be her best friend.
502
00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:51,142
It is the truth, and it is
the answer to that bondage.
503
00:26:51,242 --> 00:26:53,678
It is a bondage.
You are enslaved
504
00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:57,182
to all the diet foods
and all the regulations.
505
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,783
And it's just a freedom
506
00:26:58,850 --> 00:27:02,320
to know that you're not gonna
be enslaved to that anymore.
507
00:27:02,420 --> 00:27:06,825
It is extremely unusual
to have a religious group
508
00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:08,660
in the Christian faith
led by a woman,
509
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,632
to have a matriarchal lineage,
to have a feminine force.
510
00:27:13,698 --> 00:27:18,803
The wife is incidental in most
of these evangelical churches.
511
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:21,606
[Rev. Martinez] The core
audience for Weigh Down Workshop
512
00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:25,176
were women that felt they had
great needs in their life
513
00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:26,878
that weren't being spoken to
514
00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:29,214
by the traditional church
that they were in.
515
00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:31,883
They were also confessing what
they were seeing in the church
516
00:27:31,983 --> 00:27:33,485
by way of hypocrisy.
517
00:27:33,551 --> 00:27:35,220
They were seeing the preachers.
518
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,123
They were seeing the big
fat cat leaders in the churches
519
00:27:38,189 --> 00:27:42,360
living such immoral
and materialistic lives.
520
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:45,730
So they began to view
the Weigh Down Workshop
521
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:49,067
and its teaching and its claims
and what Gwen was saying
522
00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:51,569
as an alternative,
as an outlet
523
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,072
to help get those needs met.
524
00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:55,640
It seems like I talk too fast
525
00:27:55,707 --> 00:27:57,976
because I'm so excited
about God.
526
00:27:58,043 --> 00:27:59,911
She's so passionate for God.
527
00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:01,980
She was one of the first women
that I've ever seen
528
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,348
that just loved God
529
00:28:03,415 --> 00:28:06,418
and taught you how to have
a relationship with God.
530
00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:10,255
It did radically change me
in many, many ways,
531
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:13,324
and it was one of the best times
of my life early on.
532
00:28:14,726 --> 00:28:18,263
It really pointed me
to look into God for everything
533
00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:21,733
and examining your life
of just, you know, areas
534
00:28:21,833 --> 00:28:25,270
that you've put more
of a priority on than on God.
535
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:28,073
Are you worried at all
that you're sending the message
536
00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:30,742
that God only likes thin people?
537
00:28:30,842 --> 00:28:32,777
Mm-mmm. I don't think
he looks at the outside
538
00:28:32,877 --> 00:28:34,179
so much as the heart.
539
00:28:34,245 --> 00:28:36,181
That's what he says.
I think he's jealous.
540
00:28:36,247 --> 00:28:41,953
He's jealous of us worshipping,
you know, objects more than him.
541
00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:44,789
[Rev. Martinez] She was
continually cranking out
542
00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:47,892
more curricula, more media
with the same message.
543
00:28:47,959 --> 00:28:50,528
As the fortunes began to grow,
544
00:28:50,595 --> 00:28:53,231
as she began to get
more and more of a following,
545
00:28:53,298 --> 00:28:56,234
she was broadening things
towards believing
546
00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:58,069
that her message
was going to apply--
547
00:28:58,136 --> 00:28:59,938
it was applicable
to any personal problem.
548
00:29:00,038 --> 00:29:04,142
They're laying down cigarettes,
alcohol, pornography.
549
00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:06,411
We're getting truckloads
of letters
550
00:29:06,478 --> 00:29:09,047
of things that are happening
as people have been able
551
00:29:09,114 --> 00:29:10,782
to transfer a relationship
with food
552
00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:12,984
to a relationship with God.
553
00:29:13,084 --> 00:29:15,587
[Rev. Martinez] She just
continually asserts
554
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:20,492
that she is a purveyor
of this wonderful message.
555
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:23,161
"We want to teach you
permanent weight loss,
556
00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:26,331
but more than that,
we want to teach you...
557
00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:27,799
fulfillment of life."
558
00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:30,001
She uses all the verbiage
559
00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:33,438
of recruitment to a cause,
560
00:29:33,505 --> 00:29:35,607
to a personal quest.
561
00:29:35,673 --> 00:29:37,509
She beckoned to people.
562
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:41,179
There's a way to what
she called the Promised Land.
563
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,422
[crickets chirping]
564
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,327
[Glen] There was a person
I had come in contact with
565
00:29:56,427 --> 00:29:58,930
who used to be at Remnant,
him and his whole family,
566
00:29:58,997 --> 00:30:01,132
and they got out,
and I had asked him
567
00:30:01,199 --> 00:30:04,269
if he would be willing
to meet with Delaney
568
00:30:04,335 --> 00:30:05,937
and talk about their experience.
569
00:30:09,007 --> 00:30:10,675
[Carey] Delaney agreed to go.
570
00:30:10,775 --> 00:30:12,477
And it just happened
to be a Wednesday night,
571
00:30:12,544 --> 00:30:14,646
'cause that's
when this person could meet us.
572
00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:17,715
And, of course, that meant
she was gonna miss church.
573
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:20,051
So the day that it happened,
574
00:30:20,151 --> 00:30:22,987
um, she started to panic.
575
00:30:24,189 --> 00:30:26,191
[Glen] She started
to renege on it a bit
576
00:30:26,291 --> 00:30:28,660
and didn't want to 'cause she
didn't want to miss church.
577
00:30:28,726 --> 00:30:31,963
But I told her you committed,
and they're already locked in,
578
00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:33,131
and so we're gonna go.
579
00:30:35,066 --> 00:30:36,668
[Carey] So that night we went
580
00:30:36,734 --> 00:30:40,004
and met with this ex-church
member and his daughter.
581
00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:42,674
They decided they were
gonna leave the church.
582
00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:46,077
And when they left,
no one would talk to them.
583
00:30:46,177 --> 00:30:50,381
Basically, their life
as they knew it was just done.
584
00:30:50,481 --> 00:30:53,718
And he was so kind
and so informative.
585
00:30:53,818 --> 00:30:56,421
And I remember Delaney
just sitting there
586
00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:58,256
acting like a five-year-old.
587
00:30:58,356 --> 00:31:01,059
Like, "I don't wanna
listen to this."
588
00:31:01,159 --> 00:31:02,660
She wouldn't ask any questions,
you know.
589
00:31:02,727 --> 00:31:03,828
It was just kind of like,
590
00:31:03,895 --> 00:31:05,430
there was nothing
out of that conversation
591
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:08,733
that would have helped her,
in her brain.
592
00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:13,438
[Glen] Delaney came home
with me in my truck,
593
00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:15,707
and when I backed
into the driveway,
594
00:31:15,773 --> 00:31:17,408
got out, went into the house.
595
00:31:17,508 --> 00:31:19,777
And she didn't follow me,
but that didn't surprise me.
596
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,746
I figured
she probably was fuming
597
00:31:21,846 --> 00:31:23,715
and needed to cool off
a little bit.
598
00:31:23,781 --> 00:31:26,851
A few minutes later,
I realized she hadn't come in,
599
00:31:26,918 --> 00:31:31,122
so I went back out to get her,
and she was gone.
600
00:31:33,024 --> 00:31:35,193
We went driving around
looking for her,
601
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:36,794
but it wasn't very long.
602
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,964
And we got a text message
from someone else's phone number
603
00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:42,267
that said, "I'm safe.
604
00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:45,570
I'm at someone's house.
Don't worry about me."
605
00:31:50,074 --> 00:31:51,776
[Carey] My concern is
that at some point
606
00:31:51,876 --> 00:31:53,211
she would want to get out.
607
00:31:53,278 --> 00:31:54,746
But yet, it's going to be
one of those things
608
00:31:54,812 --> 00:31:56,281
where she's not going
to be able to
609
00:31:56,381 --> 00:31:59,083
because...they're gonna--
610
00:31:59,150 --> 00:32:01,119
They don't let you leave.
611
00:32:07,225 --> 00:32:12,096
♪ We will glorify
the King of kings ♪
612
00:32:12,163 --> 00:32:16,801
♪ We will glorify the Lamb ♪
613
00:32:16,901 --> 00:32:21,839
♪ We will glorify
the Lord of lords ♪
614
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,808
♪ Who is the great I Am ♪
615
00:32:23,908 --> 00:32:25,343
[Adam] Coming out
of the church background
616
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,412
that Gwen and I share,
617
00:32:27,478 --> 00:32:31,082
there's a real emphasis
on lay leadership.
618
00:32:31,149 --> 00:32:33,985
So I think that she sort
of came along this idea
619
00:32:34,085 --> 00:32:35,520
of, like, "Oh, people
can lose weight
620
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,488
if they eat this certain way,
621
00:32:37,588 --> 00:32:40,525
and it's God's way
of people losing weight,
622
00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:42,360
and I'm the one
with the message."
623
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,362
She cashed in on it,
624
00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:47,498
but also, I think, in her mind,
you know,
625
00:32:47,598 --> 00:32:49,634
brought God's kingdom
into earth with that.
626
00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:55,006
But God's church is supposed
to be a place where it's pure...
627
00:32:56,641 --> 00:33:00,778
where there
isn't anything unholy.
628
00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:03,514
Selfish, selfishness,
629
00:33:03,614 --> 00:33:08,720
self-loving,
self-centered people...are--
630
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:10,888
have gotten inside the church,
631
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:15,193
and this is the abomination
632
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:18,396
that has led to her desolation.
633
00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:20,665
[Rev. Martinez]
She began to believe
634
00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:23,701
that the Weigh Down Workshop
message
635
00:33:23,801 --> 00:33:26,170
was the answer
for all the world's evils.
636
00:33:26,237 --> 00:33:27,705
She had the truth.
637
00:33:27,805 --> 00:33:30,408
Christian perfectionism
could only be achieved
638
00:33:30,508 --> 00:33:32,677
by following her message.
639
00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:35,046
And so from that point on,
she began realizing,
640
00:33:35,146 --> 00:33:37,315
"Well, there needs
to be a new church.
641
00:33:37,382 --> 00:33:40,585
There needs to be
a new restoration."
642
00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:44,255
And, of course, that's
when she incorporated in 1999
643
00:33:44,355 --> 00:33:46,657
the Remnant Fellowship Church.
644
00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:54,732
[Glen] Remnant in itself
is a very elitist name.
645
00:33:54,832 --> 00:33:56,868
They're claiming
to be the remnant
646
00:33:56,934 --> 00:33:58,369
of the Christian church
647
00:33:58,436 --> 00:34:03,374
and that no other church
is--is the Christian church.
648
00:34:03,441 --> 00:34:04,609
It's only theirs.
649
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:06,911
It was in the Old Testament,
650
00:34:07,011 --> 00:34:10,415
but the only time you see it
mentioned in the New Testament
651
00:34:10,515 --> 00:34:12,683
is in the final book
of the New Testament
652
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:14,118
which is Revelation.
653
00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:18,790
And there is a remnant
of 144,000 believers.
654
00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:21,392
But that's
in the very end times.
655
00:34:21,459 --> 00:34:25,296
Now, it's interesting
that cults glom onto that
656
00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,131
and say, "If you wanna be part
of this remnant,
657
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:30,101
then you need to be part
of this group."
658
00:34:30,201 --> 00:34:33,204
God Almighty,
the God of the universe
659
00:34:33,271 --> 00:34:38,709
says I can't go to heaven
unless I lay down greed.
660
00:34:38,776 --> 00:34:40,278
Then I knew
I was onto something,
661
00:34:40,378 --> 00:34:41,979
and also that's when--
662
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,649
It took fear.
It was fear of God.
663
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:46,484
[man] The fear of God
is the basis
664
00:34:46,584 --> 00:34:49,554
for her start-up church
called Remnant Fellowship.
665
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:52,457
Weigh Down members formed
the core of the congregation.
666
00:34:52,557 --> 00:34:54,158
The church and Gwen Shamblin
667
00:34:54,258 --> 00:34:56,794
were thrust into the Christian
media spotlight.
668
00:34:56,894 --> 00:34:59,430
That's when Shamblin defied
the orthodox Christian belief
669
00:34:59,497 --> 00:35:02,233
of the Trinity--the Father,
Son, and Holy Spirit--
670
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,102
saying God is above all.
671
00:35:04,168 --> 00:35:08,339
The Trinity is everything when
it comes to Christian theology.
672
00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:10,174
You have the Father,
673
00:35:10,274 --> 00:35:13,911
who is the Lord we often
think of in the Old Testament
674
00:35:13,978 --> 00:35:16,514
who gives the Ten Commandments
and that kind of thing.
675
00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:19,016
But you have the Son
who died for our sins.
676
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:20,952
And then you have
the Holy Spirit
677
00:35:21,018 --> 00:35:23,154
who is today
indwelling believers
678
00:35:23,254 --> 00:35:25,690
and is our guide
and our teacher.
679
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:27,692
Without the Trinity,
680
00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:30,828
you lose the deity of Christ,
681
00:35:30,928 --> 00:35:33,531
and if we lose
the deity of Christ,
682
00:35:33,631 --> 00:35:38,102
then we lose his power
to give us salvation.
683
00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:40,104
The teaching against the Trinity
684
00:35:40,171 --> 00:35:43,841
has been regarded as heresy
for centuries.
685
00:35:43,941 --> 00:35:48,379
She had views
that seemed designed
686
00:35:48,479 --> 00:35:50,548
to separate her from others,
687
00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:53,885
to try to increase her panache,
so to speak, or her appeal.
688
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:56,154
She was very rigid,
689
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:59,557
very unforgiving,
which is typical of zealots
690
00:35:59,657 --> 00:36:01,893
no matter
what their subject matter.
691
00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:03,828
[Teri] In 2000,
and I was there
692
00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:06,364
at the Desert Oasis in Nashville
when this happened,
693
00:36:06,464 --> 00:36:08,666
she introduced her church.
694
00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:12,670
God is rebuilding this city
with a righteous remnant,
695
00:36:12,737 --> 00:36:16,073
whether you want to be
a part of it or not.
696
00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:18,376
And just as in Nehemiah's day,
697
00:36:18,476 --> 00:36:23,714
he has chosen only the obedient
survivors from the exiles,
698
00:36:23,814 --> 00:36:26,517
those who returned
and obeyed his commands.
699
00:36:27,418 --> 00:36:30,688
[Teri] Half the people
accepted her message,
700
00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:33,090
and the other half left
701
00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:37,428
because she denied the Trinity
in this message.
702
00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:40,097
[Adam] That was kind
of a real watershed moment
703
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:42,099
for her movement
because lots of churches
704
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,401
were like, "Oh, no.
No, no, no, no.
705
00:36:43,501 --> 00:36:45,369
We can't have this
in our churches anymore."
706
00:36:45,436 --> 00:36:47,605
And churches were bailing
on them right and left.
707
00:36:47,705 --> 00:36:50,908
[Gina] People started
calling in, angry people,
708
00:36:51,008 --> 00:36:52,777
and I'm fielding
all these calls.
709
00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:56,247
Pastors livid,
yelling, screaming.
710
00:36:56,347 --> 00:37:00,885
And people shipping
books and tapes back in mass.
711
00:37:00,952 --> 00:37:05,256
It was awful, awful times
to be working on the phones.
712
00:37:05,356 --> 00:37:08,459
[man] The woman
behind the Weigh Down Workshop,
713
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,563
Gwen Shamblin, is being sued
by several former employees.
714
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,732
Among their claims,
being pressured
715
00:37:14,799 --> 00:37:18,469
to join Shamblin's church,
Remnant Fellowship.
716
00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:20,805
I was employed by five women
717
00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:24,141
who had worked
at the Weigh Down Workshop.
718
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:27,144
They felt that their rights
were being violated
719
00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:28,646
from a religious standpoint
720
00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:30,314
because they were
being required,
721
00:37:30,414 --> 00:37:32,049
as a condition
of their employment,
722
00:37:32,116 --> 00:37:34,819
to attend Ms. Shamblin's church.
723
00:37:34,919 --> 00:37:37,989
So we filed five lawsuits
724
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:41,325
which we then combined
into one case
725
00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:43,761
and ultimately settled
those cases.
726
00:37:43,828 --> 00:37:48,799
It was in the course of that
that I took her deposition.
727
00:37:48,899 --> 00:37:52,770
When people were in prison camps
and ate less food,
728
00:37:52,837 --> 00:37:55,239
they lost weight.
729
00:37:55,306 --> 00:37:57,808
All of 'em.
730
00:37:57,908 --> 00:38:00,478
[Gary] Ms. Shamblin, surely
you're not making a comparison
731
00:38:00,578 --> 00:38:03,681
between the force of starvation
of a population
732
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:06,851
and middle-class Americans'
eating habits.
733
00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:08,986
Are you honestly doing that?
734
00:38:10,154 --> 00:38:12,123
I have been for 15 years,
735
00:38:12,189 --> 00:38:14,692
and a lot of people
have responded.
736
00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:17,762
I don't know that she ever
really understood
737
00:38:17,828 --> 00:38:19,697
how offensive it was.
738
00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:24,535
I think her inability to see how
offensive that example would be
739
00:38:24,635 --> 00:38:26,504
is a manifestation
of the zealotry.
740
00:38:28,005 --> 00:38:29,373
L. Ron Hubbard said
741
00:38:29,473 --> 00:38:33,044
the best way to make money
is to start a religion.
742
00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:34,945
Not just a church.
A whole religion.
743
00:38:35,012 --> 00:38:40,885
Jesus, ichthys, the fish,
the cross, the Bible,
744
00:38:40,985 --> 00:38:43,354
the whole nine yards,
it's all smoke and mirrors.
745
00:38:43,454 --> 00:38:47,058
This is not
about theology at all.
746
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:49,527
That's all a sideshow.
747
00:38:49,627 --> 00:38:54,799
It's about money,
prestige, power.
748
00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,035
That's her holy trinity.
749
00:38:58,135 --> 00:38:59,870
[man] They're opening
a new headquarters
750
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:01,639
in Franklin, Tennessee
next year,
751
00:39:01,706 --> 00:39:04,909
and Shamblin expects plenty
of people to help fill it.
752
00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,178
[Gwen] So, yeah, I mean,
this is an uphill battle.
753
00:39:07,244 --> 00:39:08,846
I mean, I think
you'll see me again.
754
00:39:08,913 --> 00:39:12,650
Because what this does
is it stirs up people.
755
00:39:12,717 --> 00:39:16,754
Because I'm questioning
the most thing that matters--
756
00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:19,056
their church
and their salvation.
757
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,935
Lift up Jerusalem
and make this place
758
00:39:31,035 --> 00:39:33,070
a light to the world
759
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:35,673
with directions
for the exiles who come home
760
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:38,609
and have pointed everything
up to you
761
00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:40,878
that you are everything.
762
00:39:40,945 --> 00:39:44,215
You are the God of all.
763
00:39:44,281 --> 00:39:47,118
[Gina] One of her big premises
for this church
764
00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:49,620
was people out in the world
765
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,889
that are doing these classes
in other false churches
766
00:39:51,956 --> 00:39:53,724
are gaining their weight back.
767
00:39:53,791 --> 00:39:57,428
So this church is her,
you know, big savior
768
00:39:57,528 --> 00:39:59,764
to help people
keep their weight down
769
00:39:59,864 --> 00:40:02,600
and stay, you know, saved.
770
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:04,735
It was all about salvation.
771
00:40:04,802 --> 00:40:08,406
And, um, nothing to do
with Jesus Christ.
772
00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:10,641
It was about being thin.
773
00:40:12,209 --> 00:40:13,944
[Terasee] If you're
not losing weight,
774
00:40:14,044 --> 00:40:16,814
like, you don't lose
more than two pounds that week,
775
00:40:16,914 --> 00:40:18,816
you are told to fast.
776
00:40:18,916 --> 00:40:22,219
And there are people
who have fasted 40 days.
777
00:40:22,286 --> 00:40:24,488
I mean, I was told myself
778
00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:27,324
that I needed to just
quit eating to lose more weight.
779
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:32,096
I had lost 130 pounds
within 18 months.
780
00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:35,633
But they wanted me to fast
to lose more weight.
781
00:40:35,733 --> 00:40:39,470
And it's the faster you do it,
the holier you are.
782
00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:43,941
The unrepentant gravitate
quickly to the dark places,
783
00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:47,645
the dark churches
that do not turn on the light
784
00:40:47,745 --> 00:40:50,848
for the fear
of offending any members,
785
00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:53,684
stepping on any toes.
786
00:40:53,784 --> 00:40:58,989
Because the pain of the light
787
00:40:59,089 --> 00:41:01,759
of the guilt
788
00:41:01,826 --> 00:41:03,527
is overwhelming.
789
00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:05,095
[Gina] The overarching theme
790
00:41:05,162 --> 00:41:07,531
of everything
that she ever taught in there
791
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:12,369
was always being under God's
authority, which was her.
792
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:15,206
Everything fell around that.
793
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:17,508
And then everything else
was about the weight
794
00:41:17,608 --> 00:41:18,709
and what you look like.
795
00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:22,179
So we were constantly
being told
796
00:41:22,279 --> 00:41:24,548
every time we were together.
797
00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:27,551
And then the other leaders,
you know, backing it up
798
00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:30,187
that she was the voice from God.
799
00:41:30,287 --> 00:41:32,223
She was the one
hearing from God.
800
00:41:32,323 --> 00:41:35,226
She was the prophet of God.
801
00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:37,862
And who are we
to think we could question
802
00:41:37,962 --> 00:41:39,897
what God's telling her?
803
00:41:41,632 --> 00:41:45,002
What must one
actually believe or do
804
00:41:45,069 --> 00:41:48,672
to be considered
a true adherent
805
00:41:48,739 --> 00:41:51,575
of God's true religion?
806
00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:54,211
I've asked all these questions
807
00:41:54,311 --> 00:41:59,083
and wondered if there was
a church, a true church
808
00:41:59,183 --> 00:42:02,086
on this earth or not.
809
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:05,523
Or was it just going
to exist in heaven?
810
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:07,358
I have good news.
811
00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:10,861
I have found God's church.
812
00:42:10,928 --> 00:42:15,099
[applause]
813
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,736
[Gina] I mean,
she's just playing God on earth.
814
00:42:18,836 --> 00:42:21,238
It's wrecking families.
It's wrecking kids.
815
00:42:21,338 --> 00:42:23,541
It's giving them
eating disorders.
816
00:42:23,607 --> 00:42:25,342
It's ruining marriages.
817
00:42:25,409 --> 00:42:27,578
It's giving people PTSD,
818
00:42:27,678 --> 00:42:31,282
social anxiety, depression,
suicidal thoughts,
819
00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:33,584
self-harm, you know.
820
00:42:33,684 --> 00:42:36,620
I mean, all of these things
821
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,758
because of this person
that just has to look good
822
00:42:40,858 --> 00:42:42,560
in her community.
823
00:42:44,762 --> 00:42:46,797
She's gone to another level.
824
00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:49,066
Um, another level of crazy.
825
00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:51,569
Another level of--She--
826
00:42:51,635 --> 00:42:54,805
It's her way, you know.
It's nothing about God.
827
00:42:54,905 --> 00:42:57,908
It's not been about God
in a long time.
828
00:42:57,975 --> 00:42:59,476
It's been about Gwen,
829
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:03,647
and she's going to twist
and manipulate the Bible
830
00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:06,584
into fitting her agenda.
831
00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:10,588
♪ Glory to God ♪
832
00:43:10,654 --> 00:43:15,459
♪ In the highest ♪
833
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,630
[Terasee] My real prayer
is that it implodes,
834
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:21,832
that Remnant Fellowship
implodes.
835
00:43:21,932 --> 00:43:23,801
I almost thought
it was gonna happen
836
00:43:23,901 --> 00:43:25,502
when Gwen married Joe.
837
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:26,971
I really did.
838
00:43:27,071 --> 00:43:28,739
I thought surely,
839
00:43:28,806 --> 00:43:32,610
surely people are gonna get it,
840
00:43:32,676 --> 00:43:36,480
that she's not all she
cracks herself up to be.
841
00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:38,649
I vow to only
look forward with you
842
00:43:38,749 --> 00:43:40,084
into this incredible journey
843
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:43,754
that the Lord
has in store for us.
844
00:43:43,821 --> 00:43:45,356
And if the dark forces
845
00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,758
should ever manifest themselves
against us,
846
00:43:47,825 --> 00:43:50,494
I vow to never stand behind you,
847
00:43:50,594 --> 00:43:52,963
'cause I'll be in front of you.
848
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:55,265
[ applause ]
849
00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:03,607
My name is Natasha Pavlovich.
850
00:44:03,674 --> 00:44:06,877
I had a daughter with Joe Lara
851
00:44:06,977 --> 00:44:10,547
who married Gwen Shamblin,
852
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:14,785
and we are all in juvenile court
853
00:44:14,852 --> 00:44:18,522
fighting for the custody
of our daughter.
854
00:44:26,797 --> 00:44:30,067
It's heartbreaking
because you have to be strong,
855
00:44:30,167 --> 00:44:33,137
and inside,
when you're talking to her,
856
00:44:33,203 --> 00:44:34,672
you really wanna fall apart.
857
00:44:34,738 --> 00:44:36,407
[girl laughing]
858
00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:39,743
[Natasha speaking
foreign language]
859
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:41,845
When my daughter is with me,
860
00:44:41,912 --> 00:44:48,752
she's free to express herself
for who she is.
861
00:44:48,852 --> 00:44:51,588
When she's over there,
she doesn't have that freedom.
862
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:55,259
She's not allowed
to have friends
863
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:57,327
outside of Remnant Fellowship.
864
00:44:57,394 --> 00:45:01,031
She's not allowed
any extracurricular activities
865
00:45:01,098 --> 00:45:03,100
outside of their compound.
866
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,404
Life for my daughter
would be in a capsule
867
00:45:07,504 --> 00:45:12,242
and subject to all
of their brainwashing,
868
00:45:12,342 --> 00:45:15,779
and that's what I'm afraid of.
869
00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:19,917
They want to take
my daughter away from me
870
00:45:20,017 --> 00:45:23,387
to make the father
the primary parent.
871
00:45:23,454 --> 00:45:25,055
No.
872
00:45:25,122 --> 00:45:26,957
No.
873
00:45:27,057 --> 00:45:33,263
You know, I had to keep
convincing myself no
874
00:45:33,363 --> 00:45:37,801
because the alternative
would be to submit,
875
00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:41,872
and I will never,
so help me God,
876
00:45:41,939 --> 00:45:47,277
submit not to protect
my daughter. Never.
877
00:45:47,377 --> 00:45:50,280
It's okay. You know what?
You're strong.
878
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:53,083
And guess who you're
gonna see tomorrow.
879
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:57,454
Guess who you're
gonna see tomorrow. Molly.
880
00:45:57,554 --> 00:45:59,323
Yeah. Yeah.
881
00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:03,994
My daughter is the nucleus,
the focus of my life.
882
00:46:04,094 --> 00:46:08,432
She deserves to reach
her own potential in life,
883
00:46:08,499 --> 00:46:10,501
to make her own decisions,
884
00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:14,671
and not to be controlled
by the decisions, influences,
885
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:18,976
and authoritarianism
of Gwen Shamblin. No.
886
00:46:19,076 --> 00:46:23,847
[clock ticking]
887
00:46:23,947 --> 00:46:26,617
Gwen Shamblin was not expecting
888
00:46:26,683 --> 00:46:29,653
for me to be
such a strong person
889
00:46:29,753 --> 00:46:31,755
that stands up for herself.
890
00:46:31,822 --> 00:46:35,692
She was expecting me
to go away like all the others.
891
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:40,497
Surprise. Surprise.
I ain't going anywhere.
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