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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,166 --> 00:00:18,375 All art, in a way, is the creation of illusion. 2 00:00:26,208 --> 00:00:31,916 He did it. The greatest goal scorer in National Hockey League history. 3 00:00:31,958 --> 00:00:33,833 It's Wayne Gretzky. 4 00:00:33,875 --> 00:00:37,083 Goal! Pelé! 5 00:00:43,375 --> 00:00:46,541 Jerry Rice is just unstoppable. 6 00:00:46,583 --> 00:00:48,791 Jerry Rice showing you why he's the best 7 00:00:48,833 --> 00:00:50,666 receiver in the National Football League. 8 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:07,000 The world illusion is the idea of 9 00:01:07,041 --> 00:01:10,583 measurement with certain systems of numbers. 10 00:01:10,625 --> 00:01:13,083 Whether it be so many... 11 00:01:39,333 --> 00:01:44,500 I don't think I was the most talented receiver to play in NFL. 12 00:01:44,541 --> 00:01:46,291 What does talented even mean? 13 00:01:46,333 --> 00:01:50,041 Talented, I'm talking about size-wise, speed-wise, 14 00:01:50,083 --> 00:01:56,458 you look at The Combine, and they base so much off the 40. 15 00:01:56,500 --> 00:02:00,833 If you can run a good 40 time, that can throw you right 16 00:02:00,875 --> 00:02:04,250 up into the first round, but that doesn't mean... 17 00:02:04,291 --> 00:02:06,750 uh, that you're going to be a great football player. 18 00:02:06,791 --> 00:02:10,625 Let me tell you. If they had me in the Hockey Combine, I would probably be 19 00:02:10,666 --> 00:02:14,541 rated at the lowest, because I couldn't bench 195 once. 20 00:02:14,583 --> 00:02:18,791 Jumping is not something that I was great at. 21 00:02:18,833 --> 00:02:23,041 My cardio was my forte, so I would do well at the anaerobic 22 00:02:23,083 --> 00:02:25,666 part of it, but that doesn't make you a hockey player. 23 00:02:25,708 --> 00:02:28,458 That's only part of making you a hockey player. 24 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:31,750 Sometimes we read way too much into this stuff. 25 00:02:31,791 --> 00:02:35,916 If you lined me up to run a 40-yard dash and I didn't 26 00:02:35,958 --> 00:02:41,750 have the uniform on, there's no way I could've run a good 40-yard dash. 27 00:02:41,791 --> 00:02:47,541 And that was the knock on me, that I was not fast like these sprinters, 28 00:02:47,583 --> 00:02:53,458 these guys that could run a 4-2, but I knew I had football speed. 29 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,875 I loved the fact that people didn't think I was fast. 30 00:03:01,916 --> 00:03:05,375 There's a difference between being fast going around the rink once... 31 00:03:06,916 --> 00:03:09,875 but getting to loose pucks is a whole different speed, 32 00:03:09,916 --> 00:03:11,541 and it's a whole different kind of fast. 33 00:03:13,375 --> 00:03:16,416 As he gets a step on O'Callahan, off he goes, Gretzky. 34 00:03:16,458 --> 00:03:20,458 ...coming up... He scores. Gretzky with that deceptive speed. 35 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:23,250 I didn't have the hardest shot in the game, 36 00:03:23,291 --> 00:03:26,333 but I guarantee that I had one of the most accurate shots. 37 00:03:26,375 --> 00:03:28,291 If I saw a spot, I'm going to put it there. 38 00:03:28,333 --> 00:03:29,791 Perfect spot. 39 00:03:29,833 --> 00:03:31,625 I love data, right? I love data analysis 40 00:03:31,666 --> 00:03:34,333 and sports data analytics, but I think 41 00:03:35,333 --> 00:03:38,416 there are cases in which we become too slavish to it. 42 00:03:40,125 --> 00:03:42,750 So there's this... this almost desire to validate 43 00:03:42,791 --> 00:03:44,750 everything by data, and it's backward. 44 00:03:44,791 --> 00:03:46,958 It's making something important because we can measure it. 45 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,958 It's not measuring it because it's important, 46 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,583 and so I think it can end up 47 00:03:50,625 --> 00:03:51,958 putting coaches in a sort of pigeon hole, where 48 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,958 everything they have to do has to be measurable. 49 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,500 Poor build, skinny. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid... 50 00:03:59,541 --> 00:04:02,458 Lacks a very strong arm. Lacks great physical stature. 51 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:05,000 One of the slowest quarterbacks in The Combine. 52 00:04:08,916 --> 00:04:12,416 I think The Combine measures are stupid, so that's a different thing. 53 00:04:12,458 --> 00:04:14,125 They don't test for creativity at all. 54 00:04:14,166 --> 00:04:20,375 I'm not against stats or data, it's all very important. 55 00:04:20,416 --> 00:04:22,916 Diagnostically, it's helpful. 56 00:04:24,250 --> 00:04:26,875 The problem is, it-- it-- the tail has started to 57 00:04:26,916 --> 00:04:30,750 wag the dog here in all kinds of fields. 58 00:04:33,958 --> 00:04:35,625 If the stats come to dominate your judgment, 59 00:04:35,666 --> 00:04:37,333 then you're not showing any judgment at all. 60 00:04:38,708 --> 00:04:40,750 The game is about having the puck. 61 00:04:40,791 --> 00:04:42,750 The game is about scoring goals. 62 00:04:42,791 --> 00:04:46,708 It's not about push-ups and how high a guy can jump off the ice. 63 00:04:46,750 --> 00:04:50,083 Why don't people say, "We need guys like Wayne Gretzky." 64 00:04:50,125 --> 00:04:53,083 -Yes. -Someone study him. Do what he does. 65 00:04:53,125 --> 00:04:56,208 Why does everyone look at you and say, "This is the exception." 66 00:04:56,250 --> 00:05:02,166 -I mean, everyone wants to see a Wayne Gretzky. -Yeah. 67 00:05:19,791 --> 00:05:22,583 When the human genome was sequenced, there was this hopeful thinking 68 00:05:22,625 --> 00:05:25,416 that there'd be one gene that has the shape of your nose 69 00:05:25,458 --> 00:05:27,916 and one gene determines you height et cetera, et cetera. 70 00:05:27,958 --> 00:05:32,208 But it actually turns out the networks of genes work together in 71 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:36,833 incredibly complicated ways that then interact with the environment. 72 00:05:36,875 --> 00:05:39,708 Who is the most impressive athlete that you've ever seen? 73 00:05:48,875 --> 00:05:51,958 The Garrincha rose to the top of world football is even more 74 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,333 remarkable when you consider that he was born with such a disability. 75 00:05:55,375 --> 00:05:57,791 Garrincha was a physical impossibility. 76 00:05:57,833 --> 00:06:01,125 He had one knee that went in and one knee that went out. 77 00:06:01,166 --> 00:06:04,833 Normally, people have both knees going in or both going out. 78 00:06:04,875 --> 00:06:07,250 In theory, he shouldn't have even been able to walk. 79 00:06:22,875 --> 00:06:24,666 Fans are having a hard time breathing. 80 00:06:25,541 --> 00:06:27,291 Completely unpredictable. 81 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:43,416 But his disability influenced his style. 82 00:07:01,041 --> 00:07:03,708 Rocky Marciano was one of the greatest heavyweights by 83 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:06,500 common consent in the history of heavyweight boxing. 84 00:07:06,541 --> 00:07:10,958 He was fierce and completely unconventional. 85 00:07:12,708 --> 00:07:16,833 He was lighter than most heavyweights, shorter 86 00:07:16,875 --> 00:07:24,375 than many of them and had a very short reach. 87 00:07:24,416 --> 00:07:28,583 67 inches, this way here, which is not very long. 88 00:07:28,625 --> 00:07:31,416 If you took that as a stat, then you'd never hire the guy. 89 00:07:31,458 --> 00:07:33,625 You had to devise this style of punch 90 00:07:33,666 --> 00:07:36,125 fighting that you did because of the short reach? 91 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:38,291 Yes, that was the big reason. 92 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:43,833 I had to sort of get low and try to come up, as we say, 93 00:07:43,875 --> 00:07:46,875 from underneath to get in close on an opponent 94 00:07:46,916 --> 00:07:49,958 because the closer I could get to an opponent, 95 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,541 the more damage I could do with the short arms. 96 00:07:52,583 --> 00:07:55,916 He realized the limitations of his own physique 97 00:07:55,958 --> 00:07:58,916 and developed a whole new style of boxing that suited him. 98 00:08:02,291 --> 00:08:08,333 A left. Another left a blazing right... 99 00:08:08,375 --> 00:08:10,666 He knocked out Joe Louis. 100 00:08:10,708 --> 00:08:14,875 He had over 40 professional fights and never lost. 101 00:08:14,916 --> 00:08:17,708 Mean hard punches are definitely weakening the challenger. 102 00:08:26,958 --> 00:08:32,291 What punch did you feel that you knocked Joe Walcott down with? 103 00:08:32,333 --> 00:08:33,791 I thought it was the right uppercut 104 00:08:33,833 --> 00:08:36,041 that really knocked him out. 105 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:39,666 He didn't fit the textbook at all, but he turned out 106 00:08:39,708 --> 00:08:41,625 to be one of the greatest heavyweight boxers ever. 107 00:08:44,208 --> 00:08:46,541 Part of my creativity was survival. 108 00:08:46,583 --> 00:08:49,416 I didn't have that sort of strength and size to be 109 00:08:49,458 --> 00:08:52,416 able to combat myself physically against other guys. 110 00:08:52,458 --> 00:08:55,750 At 14, I moved to Toronto to play bantam hockey, 111 00:08:55,791 --> 00:09:00,666 and I'm thinking, "Gosh, I was like 5"6 1/2, 125 pounds. 112 00:09:00,708 --> 00:09:06,541 Now I'm playing with some men." On the very first practice, 113 00:09:06,583 --> 00:09:09,666 this coach had me on the ice and he said, "When you go home 114 00:09:09,708 --> 00:09:12,958 tonight, the Leafs are playing Philadelphia Flyers." He said, 115 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,083 "You spend the next month and you watch Bobby Clarke play." 116 00:09:16,125 --> 00:09:20,500 Bobby Clarke was the first centerman that played on the power play 117 00:09:20,541 --> 00:09:23,875 and played the game out of the corners, not so much from behind the net. 118 00:09:23,916 --> 00:09:26,833 I studied him and I studied him and I watched him. 119 00:09:26,875 --> 00:09:30,916 It was new for people. I started playing out of the corner and from behind the net 120 00:09:30,958 --> 00:09:33,041 because nobody had ever done that before. 121 00:09:33,083 --> 00:09:34,958 And I started using the net as a decoy. 122 00:09:35,958 --> 00:09:38,875 Consequently, I wasn't standing in front getting knocked over 123 00:09:38,916 --> 00:09:40,833 and being on my keister the whole time. 124 00:09:40,875 --> 00:09:43,125 Gretzky, still with it. 125 00:09:44,458 --> 00:09:45,916 Hanging on behind the net. 126 00:09:47,666 --> 00:09:49,291 Still has it. 127 00:09:49,333 --> 00:09:51,500 Centered it, scored! 128 00:09:52,625 --> 00:09:55,458 Well, you know, you can't chase him behind the net. 129 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,375 How are you going to stop that play? 130 00:09:58,416 --> 00:10:04,458 By the time they sort of... kind of figured it out, I'd retired. 131 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:08,916 So, even at 13, 14 when I was playing 132 00:10:08,958 --> 00:10:11,250 against 19, 20-year-olds, and then 133 00:10:11,291 --> 00:10:15,208 17 years old against men, I didn't have to change my game because 134 00:10:15,250 --> 00:10:18,708 my game always was the same in the sense that I wasn't going to rely 135 00:10:18,750 --> 00:10:22,750 on speed or power, that wasn't going to get me to the next level. 136 00:10:22,791 --> 00:10:25,041 What was going to get me to the next level 137 00:10:25,083 --> 00:10:28,791 was my wisdom and my vision on the ice. 138 00:10:37,625 --> 00:10:39,458 Jerry, okay, so do you feel like you 139 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:42,166 have better genetics than anyone? 140 00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:44,083 No, no, no. 141 00:10:44,125 --> 00:10:47,791 I worked on certain qualities that maybe I was lacking. 142 00:10:47,833 --> 00:10:52,583 Say, because of my speed, I had to run disciplined routes. 143 00:10:52,625 --> 00:10:54,500 Timing is everything. 144 00:10:54,541 --> 00:10:56,625 I got to have this clock in my head. 145 00:10:56,666 --> 00:11:00,416 The ball is halfway to you before you come out of that realm. 146 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,291 There's no such thing as a sports gene, but there are innate biological factors 147 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:09,833 that predispose some people for being 148 00:11:09,875 --> 00:11:12,083 successful in some sports, but I don't think that's really 149 00:11:12,125 --> 00:11:14,333 where we should look for the competitive advantage anymore. 150 00:11:14,375 --> 00:11:18,291 That takes care of itself, that filter, so the question is, 151 00:11:18,333 --> 00:11:20,666 where else do you look for the competitive advantage? 152 00:11:20,708 --> 00:11:21,625 What else is important? 153 00:11:27,916 --> 00:11:29,541 -Mama. 154 00:11:32,583 --> 00:11:34,791 At a very early age, children learn to speak. 155 00:11:34,833 --> 00:11:37,083 Nobody teaches them how to do it. 156 00:11:37,125 --> 00:11:39,333 Cause you couldn't, it's far too complicated. 157 00:11:39,375 --> 00:11:42,125 If you got a child, you don't sit this child down 158 00:11:42,166 --> 00:11:46,625 at the age of 18 months and say, "Look, we need to talk." No, they learn to do it, 159 00:11:46,666 --> 00:11:49,791 and they'll learn five languages if they are exposed to them. 160 00:11:49,833 --> 00:11:52,791 If they are exposed to them at an early enough age, they will learn 161 00:11:52,833 --> 00:11:55,750 all sort of things which may become more difficult later on. 162 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,416 How old are you, Tiger? 163 00:12:06,416 --> 00:12:08,375 Two? 164 00:12:08,416 --> 00:12:12,875 That's the key to learning skills, is setting up an environment 165 00:12:12,916 --> 00:12:15,083 where someone learns implicitly the same way we learn language, 166 00:12:15,125 --> 00:12:18,041 so that you create an environment that forces them to 167 00:12:18,083 --> 00:12:20,541 learn things without articulating exactly what they're learning. 168 00:12:20,583 --> 00:12:23,708 When I was four years old, I used to watch hockey in Canada, 169 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:27,250 and I would take a piece of paper and draw a rink. 170 00:12:27,291 --> 00:12:28,833 Then without looking at the paper, 171 00:12:28,875 --> 00:12:30,541 I watched a hockey game on TV 172 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,541 and I would take my pen and I would 173 00:12:32,583 --> 00:12:36,625 follow the puck, and I would just... for 20 minutes. 174 00:12:36,666 --> 00:12:41,958 I would see where-- which part of the ice the puck was in more often than the other side, 175 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,750 and I would do it every game. 176 00:12:49,583 --> 00:12:51,750 Nobody told me to do it. Nobody... 177 00:12:51,791 --> 00:12:54,291 Your dad didn't say, "Try this out"? 178 00:12:54,333 --> 00:12:56,000 Because it seems like it's so simple. 179 00:12:56,041 --> 00:12:58,000 Yes. 180 00:12:58,041 --> 00:13:02,541 What I would do just to get the feel of the football 181 00:13:02,583 --> 00:13:07,083 when I was in bed, I would toss the ball up in the air 182 00:13:07,125 --> 00:13:11,500 and it was black dark in the room, and being able to catch the football, 183 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:15,708 knowing exactly where I positioned the ball and being able to catch it. 184 00:13:25,333 --> 00:13:28,333 Developing skill in anything is 185 00:13:28,375 --> 00:13:29,958 this process of self-discovering. 186 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,250 Anyone who's ever enjoyed training is because, 187 00:13:33,125 --> 00:13:38,500 not just the game, the training, they love that process of self-discovery and of changing 188 00:13:38,541 --> 00:13:40,083 themselves and figuring out how that works. 189 00:13:57,166 --> 00:14:01,875 When we were kids, we used to knock on doors 190 00:14:01,916 --> 00:14:04,291 with your friends and say, "Do you want to play?" 191 00:14:04,333 --> 00:14:08,583 That's what we did, we went and played and we learned and we got creative. 192 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:38,583 When I was ten years old, I played in a minor hockey team in my hometown Brantford, Ontario 193 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:42,000 and there was a team in just the north of Toronto, and every 194 00:14:42,041 --> 00:14:45,375 tournament, they beat us 3-2 or 4-3 in the final. 195 00:14:45,416 --> 00:14:48,791 I remembered being in the car one day and driving home from the tournament. 196 00:14:48,833 --> 00:14:53,583 My dad was driving, and my dad said the most incredible 197 00:14:53,625 --> 00:14:56,375 statement, I always remembered since I was ten years old. 198 00:14:57,833 --> 00:15:00,916 He said, "You know, their team is better as a team than 199 00:15:00,958 --> 00:15:03,916 you guys are." but he said, "I'll promise you one thing. 200 00:15:03,958 --> 00:15:07,458 There won't be one boy from that team that ever plays in the NHL, 201 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:10,333 because they're too structured, they play too much of a team game. 202 00:15:10,375 --> 00:15:13,416 The defense stay back, the left-wing and right-wing 203 00:15:13,458 --> 00:15:16,375 stay on their side, and for kids, that's 204 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:19,041 not the way to play." Sure enough, there wasn't 205 00:15:19,083 --> 00:15:21,375 one kid on that team that made pro hockey. 206 00:15:21,416 --> 00:15:23,791 We had five boys off our minor team 207 00:15:23,833 --> 00:15:25,500 that made the National Hockey League. 208 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,333 There's a great study recently out of the German soccer team that just won the World Cup, 209 00:15:32,375 --> 00:15:35,000 looking at the development path of the guys who made the national team 210 00:15:35,041 --> 00:15:38,166 and the guys who were one rung below that, and the only 211 00:15:38,208 --> 00:15:42,333 big difference they could come up with was that the guys who made the national team had a lot 212 00:15:42,375 --> 00:15:45,416 more time in unstructured small-sided play when they were young 213 00:15:45,458 --> 00:15:49,375 where the field might just be like an alley that wasn't normal proportions 214 00:15:49,416 --> 00:15:53,500 and continued with more unstructured play into pros. 215 00:15:53,541 --> 00:15:55,750 That was the main difference they could find. 216 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:04,333 A big part of it is giving people the freedom to experiment, 217 00:16:04,375 --> 00:16:07,458 to try and fail and make mistakes when they're younger. 218 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:12,166 You actually see this in chess. If kids study too rigidly certain types of openings, 219 00:16:12,208 --> 00:16:16,708 they literally become stuck in a certain pattern of playing and hit a plateau 220 00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:19,208 and never get better. They have to be given a certain amount of 221 00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:22,708 unstructured time to create and to find themselves. 222 00:16:24,625 --> 00:16:27,708 If you take ten kids through a pond today 223 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:31,666 and said to them, "All right, go play." They'd say, 224 00:16:31,708 --> 00:16:35,250 "Well, what do we do?" Because they're all so 225 00:16:35,291 --> 00:16:39,500 structured now and it's so analytical now. 226 00:16:45,541 --> 00:16:49,333 We were much freer to come and go then than I think kids are now. 227 00:16:49,375 --> 00:16:51,833 There was much more free time in school than there is now. 228 00:16:51,875 --> 00:16:54,291 We've lost our creativity and imagination that 229 00:16:54,333 --> 00:16:56,458 we used to have in the '60s and '70s and '80s. 230 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,583 I was looking at a report recently saying that, 231 00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:08,250 on average, kids today in urban settings 232 00:17:08,291 --> 00:17:11,625 in America have less unstructured time 233 00:17:11,666 --> 00:17:13,625 than the average high-security prisoner. 234 00:17:13,666 --> 00:17:17,166 And if you think of it, that's probably right. 235 00:17:17,208 --> 00:17:19,166 Medium high-security prisoners get to get 236 00:17:19,208 --> 00:17:22,333 outside for like a half an hour a day. 237 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:25,333 There's so much competitive balance now in sports, 238 00:17:25,375 --> 00:17:28,500 and there is so much money involved in the sporting world now. 239 00:17:28,541 --> 00:17:30,583 The parents of eight, nine and ten-year-old kids 240 00:17:30,625 --> 00:17:36,000 are putting them in home school, they go to hockey academies, 241 00:17:36,041 --> 00:17:38,083 they go to football academies. 242 00:17:38,125 --> 00:17:39,916 They all have that dream of, "Okay, my son 243 00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:42,958 can make it and make all this money." 244 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:49,166 I think there's this now, sort of, especially in sports, these forces that 245 00:17:49,208 --> 00:17:52,750 push parents towards specializing as early as possible in a sport. 246 00:17:52,791 --> 00:17:55,625 Where it's like, "Whoa, if your kid's not on the five-year-old travel team, 247 00:17:55,666 --> 00:17:58,291 then they're not going to be ready for the six-year-old travel team." 248 00:17:58,333 --> 00:18:00,875 Whereas the development of actual lead athletes is 249 00:18:00,916 --> 00:18:04,125 that they sample a bunch of sports early on, and only later do they specialize. 250 00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:08,000 I didn't start playing football till my sophomore year in high school 251 00:18:08,041 --> 00:18:12,583 because, to be honest, my mom, she didn't want me to play. She said it was too violent. 252 00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:14,541 I was a kid that when season ended, 253 00:18:14,583 --> 00:18:17,583 I threw my bag of hockey equipment down in the basement, 254 00:18:17,625 --> 00:18:21,083 couldn't wait to get my baseball glove on, we dreamed of whether it was 255 00:18:21,125 --> 00:18:22,958 a world series or whether we were playing 256 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,333 pick-up basketball or pond hockey, that we were that guy. 257 00:18:27,375 --> 00:18:30,375 I had the same passion and dream of playing major league baseball, 258 00:18:30,416 --> 00:18:33,541 but I wasn't quite as good and didn't make baseball. 259 00:18:33,583 --> 00:18:37,375 I read that you studied karate a little bit. 260 00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:44,041 Did that help you understand soccer? 261 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,500 I remember back in the day, Bruce Lee, that was my favorite movie, man. 262 00:19:08,541 --> 00:19:13,041 This dude, the way he could you know, fight, he was-- it was amazing. 263 00:19:13,083 --> 00:19:16,041 And his toughness and all that. 264 00:19:16,083 --> 00:19:20,583 When you're in football, you got to be able to fight for your ground. 265 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:27,833 Each and every sport you participate in helps the sport you mostly love. 266 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:32,333 Lacrosse is all hand-eye coordination, baseball, the mentality 267 00:19:32,375 --> 00:19:36,166 and the thinking of the game and having to be aware of each and every moment. 268 00:19:36,208 --> 00:19:39,458 There's one out, there's two out, there's runner and first, and that all rolls into 269 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:42,750 the creativity and imagination that I had 270 00:19:42,791 --> 00:19:44,958 to have to become the athlete I became. 271 00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,583 Ironically, as well, I think parents who can afford it, 272 00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:56,958 they're trying to give their kids the best start they can by over-scheduling them, 273 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,250 they become like social secretaries for their own kids, 274 00:20:00,291 --> 00:20:03,000 where they're driving from this club to that club, 275 00:20:03,041 --> 00:20:04,416 all in the belief that in doing that, they're 276 00:20:04,458 --> 00:20:06,458 giving them the best possible start. 277 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:13,625 But actually, what kids often need is just time to hang out. 278 00:20:13,666 --> 00:20:16,916 They want the best for them, but it manifests in this over-management, 279 00:20:16,958 --> 00:20:18,833 in this trying to tell them how to do 280 00:20:18,875 --> 00:20:20,583 something, and it's just-- you can't work that way. 281 00:20:20,625 --> 00:20:22,291 Act like you want to play this game. 282 00:20:22,333 --> 00:20:25,791 -I am. -No, you're not. 283 00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:29,625 You're moping around, going half in the mile not getting the play. 284 00:20:29,666 --> 00:20:31,041 What is that? 285 00:20:31,083 --> 00:20:34,458 Come on, guys. You're killing me. 286 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,416 Parents come up to me and say, "Will you tell my son how 287 00:20:37,458 --> 00:20:42,250 many hours a day you used to practice?" I say, "I didn't. 288 00:20:42,291 --> 00:20:46,500 You know, it was a passion. I would be there all day long because I loved it." 289 00:20:46,541 --> 00:20:48,958 Now, if you tell a ten-year-old, "You got to practice three hours a day 290 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,166 because Wayne Gretzky did." That's not going to work. That's not going to cut it. 291 00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:54,875 What did it mean to his career? 292 00:20:54,916 --> 00:20:57,666 Well, we weren't concerned about his career. 293 00:20:57,708 --> 00:20:59,791 All we were concerned about is letting him 294 00:20:59,833 --> 00:21:02,666 live a life like everybody else. 295 00:21:02,708 --> 00:21:05,875 A 14-year-old boy, that's all he is. 296 00:21:05,916 --> 00:21:10,750 It was not life and death for us as a family that I had to play sports. 297 00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:27,625 My case has always been that childhood is about the precious 298 00:21:27,666 --> 00:21:30,416 time and that lays the foundation for the rest of your life. 299 00:21:30,458 --> 00:21:33,333 -You know why you're famous? -Yes. 300 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,000 -Why? -Because. 301 00:21:35,041 --> 00:21:38,416 -Do you love being a ninja warrior? -Yes. 302 00:21:38,458 --> 00:21:43,416 -Were you born to be a ninja warrior? -No. 303 00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:47,750 Part of that is just learning to play 304 00:21:47,791 --> 00:21:50,916 and relax and to do things where the stakes 305 00:21:50,958 --> 00:21:55,208 aren't too high and without necessarily having to pass a test as a result. 306 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:57,291 - And he's off! 307 00:21:58,458 --> 00:22:01,333 Look at the athleticism from Yoshi. 308 00:22:01,375 --> 00:22:03,291 I think there's a fine line between 309 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:05,250 being supportive in a way that's either going to make them 310 00:22:05,291 --> 00:22:06,583 lose the love of what they're doing... 311 00:22:08,833 --> 00:22:10,833 Wow, look at the upper body strength. 312 00:22:10,875 --> 00:22:14,375 ...or is going to make their learning like, "This is exactly 313 00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:16,375 what I have to do," where they're tightened up like this. 314 00:22:16,416 --> 00:22:22,625 Yoshi! Yoshi! 315 00:22:22,666 --> 00:22:25,125 I remember at 13, 14, buddies would call me 316 00:22:25,166 --> 00:22:27,000 and say, "We're going to the movies today. 317 00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:29,166 You want to go to a movie on Saturday afternoon?" 318 00:22:29,208 --> 00:22:32,375 "No." My dad would be saying, "You're going to a movie or not?" 319 00:22:32,416 --> 00:22:35,166 "No, I don't want to go. This is what I want to do." 320 00:22:35,208 --> 00:22:37,625 I go in the backyard and shoot pucks for two hours. 321 00:22:37,666 --> 00:22:39,875 It's what made me happy. 322 00:22:44,583 --> 00:22:46,458 Playing is a musical thing. 323 00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:49,083 It is a dance. 324 00:22:49,125 --> 00:22:50,958 It is an expression of delight. 325 00:22:57,041 --> 00:22:59,416 Well, if it wasn't for my dad, I would never have made it. 326 00:22:59,458 --> 00:23:02,291 My dad made me the athlete I was, he made it-- 327 00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:03,916 Did he know a lot about hockey? 328 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,666 He knew enough. He was a very smart man, my dad. 329 00:23:08,625 --> 00:23:09,666 Very intelligent. 330 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,333 He seems to have eyes in the back of his head 331 00:23:13,375 --> 00:23:17,666 at times, but instead of forcing against 332 00:23:17,708 --> 00:23:21,125 the check, he has a knack of rolling with the check 333 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:25,541 and he never gets hurt badly in that respect. 334 00:23:25,583 --> 00:23:27,583 - You're not scared? -No. 335 00:23:28,416 --> 00:23:30,833 He was smart enough to realize, for whatever reason, 336 00:23:30,875 --> 00:23:36,000 I had a gift and he pushed that gift to another level. 337 00:23:37,625 --> 00:23:39,458 When I was a kid and we used to do drills, 338 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:42,500 I would do drills with tennis balls, and everybody 339 00:23:42,541 --> 00:23:45,833 would say, "Why is he stick-handling with tennis balls?" My dad would say, 340 00:23:45,875 --> 00:23:49,541 "Tennis balls bounce. When you're on the ice, if it's bouncing, 341 00:23:49,583 --> 00:23:52,541 it's harder to control, and if you learn how to control the tennis ball, it's going 342 00:23:52,583 --> 00:23:54,208 to be a lot easier to control the puck." 343 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:56,000 He is shooting, he scores! 344 00:23:59,166 --> 00:24:03,333 You see these rackets here, we teach the girls to throw 345 00:24:03,375 --> 00:24:07,750 the racket, and the reason we train that way is because 346 00:24:07,791 --> 00:24:13,125 we know that most girls are not able to throw that well, and that's 347 00:24:13,166 --> 00:24:17,208 why they are serving that as it should be in most cases. 348 00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:42,333 To me, that's one of the hardest 349 00:24:42,375 --> 00:24:44,166 things ever to do as a professional athlete, 350 00:24:44,208 --> 00:24:45,500 is following the footsteps 351 00:24:45,541 --> 00:24:46,708 of your dad, simple as that. 352 00:25:12,041 --> 00:25:17,333 My dad, he was a very-- he was a disciplinarian and stuff like that, 353 00:25:17,375 --> 00:25:20,125 and he was one of those guys you didn't mess around with. 354 00:25:20,166 --> 00:25:22,625 If he wanted you to be somewhere at a certain time, 355 00:25:22,666 --> 00:25:27,750 you had to be at that place early or right on time. 356 00:25:27,791 --> 00:25:30,583 20 years, I played football. 20 years. 357 00:25:30,625 --> 00:25:36,833 I was late once, and I was late because I was caught in traffic. 358 00:25:36,875 --> 00:25:41,791 - Was your mom just as tough as your dad? -Uh, you know... 359 00:25:43,958 --> 00:25:49,125 You know, we always talk about the father being the backbone of 360 00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:53,875 the family and all that, but I think it was my mom. 361 00:25:55,375 --> 00:26:02,875 What I learned from my mom is that, uh, it's okay to be nice to everyone. 362 00:26:02,916 --> 00:26:08,000 I mean, even if you don't feel like it, take the time, be nice. 363 00:26:08,041 --> 00:26:11,125 It can go a long, long way. 364 00:26:11,166 --> 00:26:15,500 If you sat down and interviewed my dad, he'd tell you 365 00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:18,208 he can make another Wayne Gretzky because it's all about-- 366 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,166 - You have brothers too. -Well-- 367 00:26:22,208 --> 00:26:25,416 -Were they as motivated as you?-Not quite as motivated. 368 00:26:27,166 --> 00:26:29,291 They loved it, but not quite like I did. 369 00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:32,958 - They had the same kind of training and...-Yes. 370 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,166 -...instruction? -Sure. 371 00:26:34,208 --> 00:26:35,833 They did everything I did, except 372 00:26:35,875 --> 00:26:37,166 maybe didn't do it as much. 373 00:26:38,125 --> 00:26:40,333 Then the other thing that they had to deal with 374 00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:43,666 that I didn't, was the pressures of being Wayne Gretzky's brother. 375 00:26:55,208 --> 00:26:57,666 What do you think is the best of your game? 376 00:26:57,708 --> 00:27:01,166 The best part of my game? Go ahead. 377 00:27:02,583 --> 00:27:07,583 I think It would be my return serves and my backhand. 378 00:27:08,958 --> 00:27:11,250 It was hard because it was all about Venus 379 00:27:11,291 --> 00:27:14,416 and you know, seeing her get all this attention 380 00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:18,208 and you don't want to feel like you're 381 00:27:18,250 --> 00:27:20,375 not worthy or you're not as good. 382 00:27:27,416 --> 00:27:30,916 When you're doing the same thing, but you're not getting any attention for it, 383 00:27:30,958 --> 00:27:32,083 it was kind of hard. 384 00:27:39,416 --> 00:27:41,833 I had to fight for everything that I have. 385 00:27:41,875 --> 00:27:44,500 I had to work so hard to get to her level. 386 00:27:45,416 --> 00:27:48,625 Serena will probably be a better player than Venus. 387 00:27:48,666 --> 00:27:50,875 That's not to compare my girls, but she will be. 388 00:27:52,125 --> 00:27:54,166 Explains my whole attitude in the court. 389 00:28:01,875 --> 00:28:04,833 Serena, it something like a pit bull dog. 390 00:28:06,041 --> 00:28:08,708 Once she get a hold to you, she won't let go. 391 00:28:15,833 --> 00:28:19,916 Miss Williams win-win championship match. 392 00:28:36,666 --> 00:28:40,875 The younger sister will take home the bigger trophy again. 393 00:28:40,916 --> 00:28:42,750 But now the embrace. 394 00:28:46,416 --> 00:28:48,250 That's the biggest rule. 395 00:29:03,166 --> 00:29:06,083 When it comes to coaching and teaching 396 00:29:07,708 --> 00:29:11,333 and this pressure for conformity, 397 00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:16,125 Um, is the-- The assumption that there is a formula 398 00:29:16,166 --> 00:29:18,708 that you can follow, and if you just get the formula right, 399 00:29:20,166 --> 00:29:21,916 if it's a great formula, you will be great. 400 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,541 This is easier. 401 00:29:24,583 --> 00:29:27,166 -Yes, we can handle it. -It's okay. 402 00:29:27,208 --> 00:29:32,541 The system itself is based on conformity and compliance and standardization. 403 00:29:32,583 --> 00:29:36,625 If we know anything about people, they are diverse, creative and want 404 00:29:36,666 --> 00:29:42,166 fulfillment and meaning, not drudgery and a kind of dreary, repetitive existence. 405 00:29:42,208 --> 00:29:45,166 So, if you promote conformity, don't be surprised if that's what you get. 406 00:30:03,333 --> 00:30:06,708 It's much more often the case that the people who 407 00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:09,541 achieve real greatness don't fit the formula at all. 408 00:30:09,583 --> 00:30:10,958 In fact, they break the mold, 409 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,958 they do something completely different, 410 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,666 and that's true in all areas around, true about David Bowie. 411 00:30:19,333 --> 00:30:21,333 Because he wasn't trying to conform, 412 00:30:21,375 --> 00:30:22,750 his music was pretty dangerous 413 00:30:22,791 --> 00:30:24,708 and right on the edge and he didn't 414 00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:26,583 know if he'd ever come back from it. 415 00:30:28,458 --> 00:30:31,500 I had a day when I was playing hooky just a little bit from class, 416 00:30:31,541 --> 00:30:35,708 and the principal, he walked up behind me, he scared me, he noticed I could run fast. 417 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:40,125 After I got punished, he wanted me to go out for the football team and I went out. 418 00:30:40,166 --> 00:30:44,125 And, everything else is history. That's it. 419 00:31:12,125 --> 00:31:16,916 Yes, I had one or two coaches that weren't exactly on my side. 420 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:26,416 They wanted me to play sort of a system 421 00:31:26,458 --> 00:31:28,791 and a style that I wasn't accustomed to. 422 00:31:28,833 --> 00:31:31,958 Consequently, that was one of the reasons why I left Brantford. 423 00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:37,208 The coaching wasn't copacetic to the style of play that I was playing 424 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:40,416 and I knew it wasn't going to get any different as I got older. 425 00:31:40,458 --> 00:31:44,083 I got a chance to see videos of kids in the Netherlands who 426 00:31:44,125 --> 00:31:48,041 were tracked from the age of 12 up to professional soccer. 427 00:31:48,083 --> 00:31:49,875 The Netherlands is really good at soccer. 428 00:31:49,916 --> 00:31:53,833 You'd see the kids at age 12 who went on to the pros. 429 00:31:53,875 --> 00:31:55,333 There was a lot of differences in behavior 430 00:31:55,375 --> 00:31:56,875 within them, but a lot of them were these 431 00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,333 ones who were going up to their coach being 432 00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:00,333 like, "Why are we doing this drill again? 433 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,958 What's this helping me work on? I think I can already do this. 434 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,500 It's too easy." And the coach is like . 435 00:32:05,541 --> 00:32:07,541 It doesn't mean, from the beginning, they disrespect all the rules, 436 00:32:07,583 --> 00:32:09,375 they just think there's some other way to do this. 437 00:32:09,416 --> 00:32:12,791 Look at this, Tom Brady and Bill O'Brien. 438 00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:34,750 We just still relish the sheer outrage that people felt 439 00:32:34,791 --> 00:32:39,458 when John McEnroe, with his sweatband 440 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,000 and this kind of afro walked off the hallowed turf 441 00:32:43,041 --> 00:32:46,041 of Wimbledon and started screaming at the judge. 442 00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:50,375 You can't be serious, man. You cannot be serious. 443 00:32:50,416 --> 00:32:53,333 That ball was on the line. Shot blew up. 444 00:32:53,375 --> 00:32:59,666 His point was, "Now, I spent my life practicing this sport." 445 00:32:59,708 --> 00:33:03,625 -"Calling this ball out is a very big deal for me." 446 00:33:03,666 --> 00:33:06,291 How can you possibly call that out? 447 00:33:06,333 --> 00:33:08,208 They'll keep walking over, everyone knows it's 448 00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:11,125 in the whole Stadium, and you call it out? 449 00:33:11,166 --> 00:33:13,750 "This is my career we're talking about, and this is 450 00:33:13,791 --> 00:33:17,666 a bad call." But they tried everything they could to box 451 00:33:17,708 --> 00:33:19,833 him back in and to tell him just to toe the line, 452 00:33:19,875 --> 00:33:24,041 literally, but the net result was, he improved the game. 453 00:33:24,083 --> 00:33:28,666 They improved the training of judges, they improved the technology 454 00:33:28,708 --> 00:33:31,750 for line calls, and he was making a very serious point. 455 00:33:31,791 --> 00:33:37,458 But at the time, people just saw him as some kind of hooligan. 456 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,166 That balance of freedom and control is very important. 457 00:33:41,208 --> 00:33:43,708 You see it in every field. 458 00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:47,125 It's like at Woodstock when Jimi Hendrix 459 00:33:47,166 --> 00:33:48,916 started playing The Star Spangled Banner. 460 00:33:59,041 --> 00:34:01,416 Nobody'd ever heard it played like that before. 461 00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,708 All senses, it turns out. 462 00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:13,125 He was so recognized for "The Star Spangled Banner" that played in that context 463 00:34:13,166 --> 00:34:16,583 in that way, it took on a whole new meaning for an entire generation of people. 464 00:34:16,625 --> 00:34:20,000 They're paradigm shifters, like they've mastered the fundamental 465 00:34:20,041 --> 00:34:23,000 body of work, and it's boring for them to do the same thing. 466 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:32,666 Human achievement is often seen as 467 00:34:32,708 --> 00:34:34,458 achievement in the external world, 468 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:35,875 but it's only made possible through 469 00:34:35,916 --> 00:34:37,250 achievements in the internal world. 470 00:34:42,833 --> 00:34:45,541 We are a species that lives on 471 00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:48,000 ideas and imagination, creativity. 472 00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:15,250 The Gretzkys and the Jerry Rices, 473 00:35:15,291 --> 00:35:18,458 they look faster or quicker 474 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,958 than the next guy because they're like Neo in The Matrix. 475 00:35:33,708 --> 00:35:36,791 Ali did have one of the fastest reaction speeds ever recorded. 476 00:35:36,833 --> 00:35:40,750 He was like an intuitive neurologist, he moved his body in a way 477 00:35:40,791 --> 00:35:43,708 that took away that ability to anticipate for his opponents. 478 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:53,125 Greatness in the military art is the art of being unattackable. 479 00:35:54,875 --> 00:35:59,916 My awareness was my creativity to be able to sort of sidestep 480 00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:03,458 that big hit and to get out of the way of that big hit. 481 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,625 He's like a ghost, floating around the ice. 482 00:36:20,125 --> 00:36:24,083 It's almost like that football is so much bigger. 483 00:36:24,125 --> 00:36:26,000 Everything slows down just a little bit. 484 00:36:26,041 --> 00:36:28,833 You know, the rotation of the ball, I remember 485 00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:31,333 the nose of the ball just slows down. 486 00:36:39,208 --> 00:36:42,583 That's what great pianists do. Their fingers aren't like born ten times faster 487 00:36:42,625 --> 00:36:45,500 than everybody else's. They're economizing their movement 488 00:36:45,541 --> 00:36:47,125 and they're going to the next place that 489 00:36:47,166 --> 00:36:48,916 they know they need to go before they've 490 00:36:48,958 --> 00:36:50,125 even finished the first movement. 491 00:36:52,958 --> 00:36:55,500 That's a figment of true expertise. 492 00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:00,333 You're seeing what's going to happen before it happens. They have to. 493 00:37:00,375 --> 00:37:05,208 The game is so fast and it's played at such a high tempo on 494 00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:09,291 such a physical level, you don't have time to think on this. 495 00:37:19,291 --> 00:37:24,166 This ability to pick up on what look like disparate pieces 496 00:37:24,208 --> 00:37:27,166 of information and to quickly draw information from them. 497 00:37:27,208 --> 00:37:31,083 So again, in language, in a simple way, if I give you 20 random English words 498 00:37:31,125 --> 00:37:33,583 you'll have trouble memorizing them and giving them back to me. 499 00:37:33,625 --> 00:37:35,791 If I put those words in a meaningful 20-word sentence, 500 00:37:35,833 --> 00:37:38,750 you'll quickly draw meaning from it and probably remember it 501 00:37:38,791 --> 00:37:41,333 because you've learned how to intuitively 502 00:37:41,375 --> 00:37:44,875 group these words into chunks that have great meaning for you so they're not chaotic. 503 00:37:44,916 --> 00:37:47,458 It's what Tom Brady has learned to do with a football field instantly. 504 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:49,541 He can group players 505 00:37:49,583 --> 00:37:52,250 in a way that tells him what's coming next 506 00:37:52,291 --> 00:37:54,541 because he instantly draws information from it. 507 00:38:09,041 --> 00:38:11,583 Chemistry and algebra is really hard. 508 00:38:11,625 --> 00:38:14,291 Some kids breeze through it like it's nothing. 509 00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:18,875 They remember every single thing about it and get 100%, and they go 510 00:38:18,916 --> 00:38:23,916 "Oh, I get a 100% in algebra or whatever." In hockey, 511 00:38:23,958 --> 00:38:26,791 I can remember every single play, every single game, 512 00:38:26,833 --> 00:38:32,208 every single night because it's the passion I had and it was easy for me. 513 00:38:32,250 --> 00:38:38,541 That's almost insane. That's not normal. I can't remember anything. 514 00:38:42,375 --> 00:38:43,666 This is what I've been told. 515 00:38:43,708 --> 00:38:45,500 I was always running in my sleep. 516 00:38:50,833 --> 00:38:53,458 You're playing the game in your sleep, 517 00:38:53,500 --> 00:39:00,458 and the majority of the time is like the next day. 518 00:39:01,666 --> 00:39:08,041 The way I visualized it, the way I dreamt about it, it happened that way. 519 00:39:09,833 --> 00:39:11,583 Just like that. 520 00:39:41,875 --> 00:39:45,208 Michael Jordan, the night before a game, 521 00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:47,791 Gretzky, Pelé, all of these guys, we played 522 00:39:47,833 --> 00:39:50,833 this game over and over in our heads before 523 00:39:50,875 --> 00:39:53,916 we actually go out and take the field. 524 00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:06,125 One of the world's experts in prodigy, someone named Ellen Winner 525 00:40:06,166 --> 00:40:08,291 at Boston College calls it a rage to master. 526 00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:11,458 She says there're two qualities of true prodigies. 527 00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:16,416 It's a rage to master a certain domain like a complete obsessive. 528 00:40:16,458 --> 00:40:19,375 I think rage to master is pretty much self-explanatory 529 00:40:19,416 --> 00:40:21,541 and an ability to learn quickly in the domain. 530 00:40:21,583 --> 00:40:24,625 She's seen people who have the rage but not the ability to learn quickly. 531 00:40:24,666 --> 00:40:27,083 People have the ability to learn quickly but not the rage. 532 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:29,208 And when these two things come together, then you 533 00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:31,041 have someone who can change their field. 534 00:40:33,166 --> 00:40:36,291 A lot of creative work comes out of-- may come from a flash of insight, but then you 535 00:40:36,333 --> 00:40:38,416 need the skills and the technique 536 00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:41,166 and the hard graft to make it actually work. 537 00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:46,916 Dick Fosbury of the United States 538 00:40:46,958 --> 00:40:48,916 getting ready for his jump. 539 00:40:48,958 --> 00:40:51,750 Clearly the most unusual jumper in this Olympics. 540 00:40:53,666 --> 00:40:55,958 His unorthodox style clearing the bar 541 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 has shocked the track and field world. 542 00:41:06,166 --> 00:41:09,333 It's working. Fosbury breaks the Olympic record. 543 00:41:09,375 --> 00:41:11,083 You're going over backwards like 544 00:41:11,125 --> 00:41:12,583 you can't see where you're going. 545 00:41:12,625 --> 00:41:15,333 Now, it's completely easy to understand 546 00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:17,166 from a physics perspective why that's 547 00:41:17,208 --> 00:41:18,666 the best thing to do because your center 548 00:41:18,708 --> 00:41:20,708 of mass is in the middle of the curl. 549 00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:23,083 It goes under the bar you don't have to jump as high. 550 00:41:23,125 --> 00:41:25,333 But scientists only found that after the fact. 551 00:41:25,375 --> 00:41:27,291 He was discovering this intuitively and saying, 552 00:41:27,333 --> 00:41:30,375 "This feels right to me" and being discouraged. 553 00:41:30,416 --> 00:41:34,791 I get to see Roger Federer warming up for the US Open one time. 554 00:41:34,833 --> 00:41:36,250 This is the guy who doesn't really need 555 00:41:36,291 --> 00:41:38,166 to practice his basic strokes anymore. 556 00:41:38,208 --> 00:41:40,583 Yet while most people are simulating games 557 00:41:40,625 --> 00:41:42,208 with their warming up. Here he is. 558 00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:45,208 He sets up like a ball-boy across the court 559 00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:48,208 and has the ball-boy hold his hand like this 560 00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:50,666 and starts trying to hit the ball into the ball boy's hand 561 00:41:50,708 --> 00:41:53,416 without having him move it and it's going a little bit up and to this side 562 00:41:53,458 --> 00:41:56,125 and sits there for like an hour doing this until... 563 00:42:04,416 --> 00:42:06,791 To be able to obsess on that little thing 564 00:42:06,833 --> 00:42:10,083 to have fun with that and the compulsion to have it. 565 00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:16,250 I think the vast majority of great athletes have that to some 566 00:42:16,291 --> 00:42:19,791 degree, whether it's Jerry Rice, trying to cut that route, again, 567 00:42:19,833 --> 00:42:23,875 just perfectly obsessing on that little bitty thing that other 568 00:42:23,916 --> 00:42:25,791 people would say, "Well, I've got it," good enough and move on. 569 00:42:25,833 --> 00:42:28,458 I think that's pretty unique. I think that's almost essential. 570 00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:33,708 The epitome of this is when Tony Hawk hold the first 900. 571 00:42:42,083 --> 00:42:45,750 He's on ESPN2 doing the X Games and he's missing. 572 00:42:45,791 --> 00:42:47,458 He's not rotating enough. 573 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:49,000 He keeps missing and falling into 574 00:42:49,041 --> 00:42:50,750 the clock for his time runs out. 575 00:42:50,791 --> 00:42:53,333 He just keeps walking his board up there and getting 576 00:42:53,375 --> 00:42:55,291 a little closer, just a little more revolution. 577 00:42:55,333 --> 00:42:58,375 It's like eight minutes after the competition is over. 578 00:42:58,416 --> 00:43:00,041 The competition is over and he's just 579 00:43:00,083 --> 00:43:02,166 walking back up then over-rotates a little, 580 00:43:02,208 --> 00:43:03,916 under-rotates a little and he keeps coming back. 581 00:43:04,958 --> 00:43:07,041 Next is Tony Hawk. 582 00:43:17,958 --> 00:43:21,125 After his time is expired, he nails it and everyone goes crazy. 583 00:43:21,166 --> 00:43:26,958 He could not walk away without just honing that into the exact right angle. 584 00:43:28,833 --> 00:43:31,083 And that's the only motivation, really? 585 00:43:36,166 --> 00:43:39,541 At home, when you-- with your family, you try 586 00:43:39,583 --> 00:43:43,000 to devote that time to your family, but then 587 00:43:43,041 --> 00:43:45,958 once you put the kids to bed or something like that 588 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,875 then you're thinking about football. 589 00:43:47,916 --> 00:43:50,750 Even on a Monday 590 00:43:50,791 --> 00:43:52,916 when you guys are resting like you would be-- 591 00:43:52,958 --> 00:43:58,000 I never did. Even on a Monday. Yes. 592 00:43:58,041 --> 00:44:01,208 You made more sacrifices than maybe anyone. 593 00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:04,125 Just say I was willing to put my body 594 00:44:04,166 --> 00:44:11,208 through in my mind just a little bit more. 595 00:44:12,291 --> 00:44:16,708 You have to assume that in NFL, like in any professional sports team, 596 00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:20,750 everybody is giving it 100% or else, it's their life. 597 00:44:20,791 --> 00:44:23,333 It's their career. It's everything to them, right? I mean-- 598 00:44:23,375 --> 00:44:29,416 That's really what they supposed to do, but do 599 00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:34,416 they actually buy into it and give one 100%? 600 00:44:34,458 --> 00:44:38,083 As a player, I used to watch, each and every night, I watched every game. 601 00:44:43,041 --> 00:44:47,041 I could tell you who's playing well in January, 602 00:44:47,083 --> 00:44:50,083 how many points each and every guy had in the league. 603 00:44:50,125 --> 00:44:51,791 Who was physically hard to play against. 604 00:44:56,708 --> 00:45:01,625 Statistically and imaginatively, I studied it all. 605 00:45:01,666 --> 00:45:08,125 This obsession to work ethic, to that compulsive behavior, 606 00:45:08,166 --> 00:45:13,500 which it seems like these guys have. Can you identify them as obsessive-compulsive 607 00:45:13,541 --> 00:45:15,125 people, all of these guys? 608 00:45:15,166 --> 00:45:17,000 We've figured out how to breed animals for 609 00:45:17,041 --> 00:45:19,291 compulsive physical activities very, very easily. 610 00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:22,208 We know that some of these same genes exist in humans. 611 00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:26,458 - Which animals? -Sled dogs, for example, have not been getting faster 612 00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:29,208 for decades, they've just been getting more voracious about running. 613 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:33,583 And mice, is really easy. You take a group of mice, mice run every night voluntarily. 614 00:45:33,625 --> 00:45:36,291 If you take a group and you separate the ones that just voluntarily run 615 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:39,583 a little bit more and the ones that run just a little bit less and breed them 616 00:45:39,625 --> 00:45:41,291 with each other and do that several times. 617 00:45:41,333 --> 00:45:44,250 After ten generations of doing that, 618 00:45:44,291 --> 00:45:48,291 you have entirely different animals. You have ones that are hitting the running wheel 619 00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:52,333 and just hammering and then, these other that are just slovenly laying on it. 620 00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:55,083 If you stop the ones that are compelled to run from running, 621 00:45:55,125 --> 00:45:56,708 they become depressed. 622 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:58,750 They're literally crackheads for running. 623 00:46:01,041 --> 00:46:02,833 How competitive were you? 624 00:46:02,875 --> 00:46:04,750 How motivated were you? 625 00:46:04,791 --> 00:46:07,416 -Like Michael Jordan-- -Yeah. 626 00:46:07,458 --> 00:46:10,958 No, no, no. Listen, there's competitiveness all different ways. 627 00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:14,583 You guys sit and ask me, "Where did my 628 00:46:14,625 --> 00:46:16,291 competition or my competitive nature came from?" 629 00:46:16,333 --> 00:46:19,708 My competitive nature has gone a long way 630 00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:21,750 from the first time I picked up any sport. 631 00:46:22,916 --> 00:46:27,041 As I moved on in my career, people added wood to that fire. 632 00:46:27,083 --> 00:46:31,416 Well, you look at Michael Jordan's Hall of Fame speech which is an incredible thing. 633 00:46:31,458 --> 00:46:36,833 Here he is, a guy who is synonymous with the sport basically. 634 00:46:36,875 --> 00:46:39,083 From his Hall of Fame speech, you would have thinked he was 635 00:46:39,125 --> 00:46:42,291 the guy who got picked last in kickball and never had any friends. 636 00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:45,833 To the coach who actually picked Leroy over me, I want 637 00:46:45,875 --> 00:46:48,750 to make sure you understood you made a mistake, dude. 638 00:46:52,333 --> 00:46:54,166 I mean, there's Buzz Peterson, my roommate. 639 00:46:54,208 --> 00:46:58,000 Now, when I first met Buzz, all I heard about was this kid 640 00:46:58,041 --> 00:47:00,458 from Asheville, North Carolina who was the player of the year. 641 00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:03,500 I'm thinking, "Well, he's never played against me yet." 642 00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:11,541 Michael Jordan in a mid-air collision with a backboard. This is amazing. 643 00:47:11,583 --> 00:47:13,708 That's the high that young man get up. 644 00:47:14,583 --> 00:47:17,916 Buzz became a dot on my radar. 645 00:47:17,958 --> 00:47:20,000 Not knowingly. 646 00:47:20,041 --> 00:47:21,750 He didn't know it. 647 00:47:21,791 --> 00:47:25,458 Coach Smith, the day that he was on the Sports Illustrated 648 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:29,708 and he named four starters and he didn't name me, that burned me up. 649 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:31,833 That burned me up. That burned me up. 650 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:38,583 All he did was redress his grievances, some of which weren't even real. 651 00:47:38,625 --> 00:47:41,500 He was just creating these sort of conflicts 652 00:47:41,541 --> 00:47:46,916 and I think that can be um... You know to get motivated 653 00:47:46,958 --> 00:47:50,875 to try to do something that nobody else does or to harness your anger 654 00:47:50,916 --> 00:47:52,833 because it's not life or death, 655 00:47:52,875 --> 00:47:56,833 the games, but you have to act like it's life or death. 656 00:48:05,416 --> 00:48:08,750 For someone like me who achieved a lot and over 657 00:48:08,791 --> 00:48:12,541 the time of my career, you look for any kind of messages 658 00:48:12,583 --> 00:48:16,708 that people may say or do to get you motivated to 659 00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:18,875 play the game of basketball at the highest level. 660 00:48:18,916 --> 00:48:21,000 - Wayne. -Yes. 661 00:48:21,041 --> 00:48:25,416 In your early professional career as you were a youth, did 662 00:48:25,458 --> 00:48:28,083 anyone ever doubt you and say, "You know, Wayne Gretzky..." 663 00:48:28,125 --> 00:48:31,458 -Yes. A lot of people. -Did you know who those people were? 664 00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,708 Sure. I read every article and it motivated me. 665 00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:36,208 -It motivated you? -Sure. 666 00:48:45,875 --> 00:48:50,625 Gretzky and Pelé, they want the ball 667 00:48:52,125 --> 00:48:53,833 you know, in their court. 668 00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:37,125 You need a mentor. You need someone to teach you. 669 00:49:37,166 --> 00:49:40,375 You have to have guidance. You have to have that guidance. 670 00:49:40,416 --> 00:49:43,000 Once you get to a point, you hand them off to people who 671 00:49:43,041 --> 00:49:45,083 know what they're talking about and that's what my dad did. 672 00:49:45,125 --> 00:49:47,500 Well, my dad handed me off to a guy, he handed me 673 00:49:47,541 --> 00:49:50,250 to Glen Sather, who was exactly like my dad. They both had the same 674 00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:55,750 sort of thoughts of what was going to make me the player that I would become. 675 00:49:55,791 --> 00:49:59,041 You got quite a few fathers on a hockey club like this, I would say. 676 00:49:59,083 --> 00:50:02,750 Fathers and big brothers and all their brothers. You're looked after pretty good. 677 00:50:02,791 --> 00:50:04,791 Everybody said once you turn pro, all they're 678 00:50:04,833 --> 00:50:06,583 going to do is make you play defense. 679 00:50:06,625 --> 00:50:10,291 I can never play defense. My defense was having the puck. 680 00:50:10,333 --> 00:50:12,333 If I had the puck, you couldn't score. 681 00:50:12,375 --> 00:50:14,583 In other words, you had to find somebody that... 682 00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:17,041 Yeah, somebody found me. 683 00:50:17,083 --> 00:50:21,541 It was luck for me because Bill Walsh, he saw the potential. 684 00:50:21,583 --> 00:50:25,083 He was looking at television and he knows me running across 685 00:50:25,125 --> 00:50:28,541 the television making, as he would say, incredible catches. 686 00:50:28,583 --> 00:50:30,791 I'm going to make you feel beautiful. 687 00:50:30,833 --> 00:50:32,833 I take no obligation. 688 00:50:32,875 --> 00:50:34,583 Jerry Rice has 64 yards for touchdown 689 00:50:34,625 --> 00:50:35,625 in a second quarter. 690 00:50:36,958 --> 00:50:40,875 Rice had nine catches for 155 yards. 691 00:50:40,916 --> 00:50:43,541 He went back to San Francisco and he said, "Hey look, 692 00:50:43,583 --> 00:50:47,708 we need to take a look at this Jerry Rice guy." 693 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:51,041 For Mississippi Valley State University, 694 00:50:51,083 --> 00:50:54,500 it's amazing what he's able to do on the football field. 695 00:50:54,541 --> 00:51:00,916 The San Francisco 49ers select 16 picking the first round. 696 00:51:00,958 --> 00:51:05,208 Wide Receiver, Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley. 697 00:51:07,458 --> 00:51:09,958 If it wasn't Bill Walsh, there's probably 698 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,166 a scenario where there's no Jerry Rice. 699 00:51:12,208 --> 00:51:13,291 Yes, that's true. 700 00:51:16,833 --> 00:51:21,166 OK, so when you got into the NFL, you had adversity. 701 00:51:21,208 --> 00:51:22,333 Yeah. 702 00:51:23,958 --> 00:51:26,916 I think, the most difficult thing about that is that I 703 00:51:26,958 --> 00:51:29,416 knew I could catch the football, but when I came in, 704 00:51:30,708 --> 00:51:38,000 I was dropping footballs and didn't have the fans to 705 00:51:38,041 --> 00:51:40,666 boo me and trying to fight through that adversity. 706 00:51:40,708 --> 00:51:44,208 I had a lot of stuff that I had to overcome, 707 00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:47,250 but I still knew that I could catch the football. 708 00:51:47,291 --> 00:51:50,250 Then to have Bill Walsh in my corner 709 00:51:50,291 --> 00:51:52,875 to still say, "Hey look, you're going to be great one day." 710 00:51:52,916 --> 00:51:56,000 That gave me a little bit extra incentive to fight. 711 00:51:58,166 --> 00:52:02,875 This guy, he was such a genius and he knew how to be your 712 00:52:02,916 --> 00:52:06,750 best friend, but then he knew how to be your worst enemy. 713 00:52:06,791 --> 00:52:12,208 He was just like my father, the way he made you feel a little bit uncomfortable. 714 00:52:13,958 --> 00:52:16,125 I put the f###### my end, Paul. 715 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,916 You correct me on the field, I put the thing in upstairs. 716 00:52:21,958 --> 00:52:24,333 Now, I've been told by you what f### to do. 717 00:52:24,375 --> 00:52:25,416 Let's go. 718 00:52:27,458 --> 00:52:30,500 Who's the best coach you ever played for and why is he great? 719 00:52:49,208 --> 00:52:52,583 The Brazilians' kid playing the style of total freedom. 720 00:53:27,916 --> 00:53:29,083 Boring. 721 00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:59,916 Everybody tries to be the same kind 722 00:53:59,958 --> 00:54:03,041 of team and everybody tries to save 723 00:54:03,083 --> 00:54:04,750 their own necks and everybody tries 724 00:54:04,791 --> 00:54:09,500 to have that safe place to go to. 725 00:54:09,541 --> 00:54:13,250 I got to Edmonton and Glen Sather said, "Oh my God, no, no, no, you get the puck. 726 00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:14,750 You do whatever you want with the puck." 727 00:54:16,375 --> 00:54:19,791 Gretzky, circling, spinning, avoiding defender. 728 00:54:21,583 --> 00:54:23,583 Gretzky's shooting, goal! 729 00:54:26,625 --> 00:54:29,291 He said, "I can teach a guy how to play defense. 730 00:54:29,333 --> 00:54:32,208 I cannot teach a guy, how to score 70 goals." 731 00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:34,333 If you want to be successful at anything, you've got to 732 00:54:34,375 --> 00:54:37,375 believe in yourself, because no one else is going to do it. 733 00:54:37,416 --> 00:54:41,583 If you don't do it yourself, then you can rely on everybody else 734 00:54:41,625 --> 00:54:45,916 who's been unsuccessful, and you can sit around the bar together and cry about it. 735 00:54:45,958 --> 00:54:51,041 But if you're going to do it, you do it by yourself. It takes some guts to do that. 736 00:54:51,083 --> 00:54:55,333 Nobody took away my creativity and if anything, they all worked with it. 737 00:54:55,375 --> 00:54:57,875 A great coach often endeavors to make 738 00:54:57,916 --> 00:55:00,666 themselves less relevant and less relevant over time 739 00:55:00,708 --> 00:55:04,583 and handing over control to the athletes. 740 00:55:04,625 --> 00:55:08,166 If a coach sees themselves as just a drill sergeant whose job 741 00:55:08,208 --> 00:55:11,416 is just to make sure you hit your mark and do nothing else. 742 00:55:12,541 --> 00:55:17,833 Then it's going to stifle that whole era of collaborative innovation 743 00:55:17,875 --> 00:55:21,041 that all the great teams actually demonstrate all the time. 744 00:55:21,083 --> 00:55:28,083 Your coach through... humor, sarcasm, 745 00:55:28,125 --> 00:55:34,375 just plane force, you got to change the pace all the time 746 00:55:34,416 --> 00:55:35,958 just to get the most out of a guy. 747 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,500 Some players, you never ball out 748 00:55:39,541 --> 00:55:42,666 because it's against their personality to take it. 749 00:55:42,708 --> 00:55:46,375 See, everybody is a different person. 750 00:55:47,625 --> 00:55:54,666 When you realize that fact, you become a better coach. 751 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,708 A lot of athletes, when it comes to taking that 752 00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:07,833 last shot, where you win or lose, they shy away from it. 753 00:56:08,791 --> 00:56:11,541 They don't want that-- be the goat or the hero. 754 00:56:11,583 --> 00:56:16,166 They're very nervous about it. 755 00:56:17,125 --> 00:56:19,833 I like the guy who's going to say, "Give it to me. 756 00:56:19,875 --> 00:56:21,500 I'll take that shot." 757 00:56:21,541 --> 00:56:24,000 The lot of the players they don't want 758 00:56:24,041 --> 00:56:26,125 to deal with the consequences because if 759 00:56:26,166 --> 00:56:28,916 you don't make that play, now you got to 760 00:56:28,958 --> 00:56:32,000 deal with everything that comes with it. 761 00:56:33,333 --> 00:56:36,208 Here is Jordan with three seconds to go. He shoots. 762 00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:37,541 No good. 763 00:57:11,875 --> 00:57:17,416 You can be stressful, but there has to be a calmness about you, too. 764 00:57:18,291 --> 00:57:22,458 So, you got somehow to be able to balance both because-- 765 00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:23,666 You're too relaxed, you're-- 766 00:57:23,708 --> 00:57:25,333 Yes. Then, you're too relax. 767 00:57:25,375 --> 00:57:26,875 Then, you're not going out and you're not 768 00:57:26,916 --> 00:57:29,750 playing with enough intensity. 769 00:57:29,791 --> 00:57:36,708 You got to be, you know, like something in between, 770 00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:38,500 how you can balance it. 771 00:57:41,291 --> 00:57:45,791 The most difficult thing for me is, and this used to always 772 00:57:45,833 --> 00:57:47,916 bother me during the Superbowl. 773 00:57:53,708 --> 00:57:55,416 Yet for time out... 774 00:57:59,208 --> 00:58:01,875 ...they got to show commercials, they got to do all that. 775 00:58:01,916 --> 00:58:05,333 -The reason why wherever he goes, 776 00:58:05,375 --> 00:58:07,083 Spuds MacKenzie has so much fun. 777 00:58:07,125 --> 00:58:10,333 -He's always in control. -Spuds loves... 778 00:58:10,375 --> 00:58:17,291 You know the play before that time out is coming your way. Can you imagine? 779 00:58:17,333 --> 00:58:22,541 You're processing all of this in your head like, "My God, my God, 780 00:58:22,583 --> 00:58:26,416 this is a long time out." So I need a distraction. 781 00:58:26,458 --> 00:58:33,541 I would look in the stands and find someone and I would focus on that individual 782 00:58:33,583 --> 00:58:35,833 until that time out is over 783 00:58:35,875 --> 00:58:37,750 and now we can go back to playing football. 784 00:59:11,083 --> 00:59:12,875 Montana dropping back. 785 00:59:12,916 --> 00:59:15,250 He floats along throw down there to Rice. 786 00:59:16,291 --> 00:59:18,125 Touchdown! 49ers. 787 00:59:18,166 --> 00:59:20,625 I knew where my family was. I knew where my friends were. 788 00:59:20,666 --> 00:59:22,500 I knew when they went for a popcorn. 789 00:59:23,833 --> 00:59:27,041 I knew everything going on in the arena. 790 00:59:27,083 --> 00:59:29,625 Some guys can do it. Some guys have no idea. 791 00:59:29,666 --> 00:59:33,291 From my point of view, it made me comfortable. And it worked for me. 792 00:59:33,333 --> 00:59:37,250 - You weren't like trying to visualize doing this.-No, never. 793 00:59:37,291 --> 00:59:40,625 I was playing ping pong and five to seven for a seven o'clock game. 794 00:59:40,666 --> 00:59:43,250 Maybe that was my way of easing away from 795 00:59:43,291 --> 00:59:45,250 the pressure and the thoughts of going on the ice. 796 00:59:49,666 --> 00:59:55,750 There is only now. Now is all there ever was and all that there ever will be. 797 00:59:56,958 --> 01:00:00,791 You want to give those individuals 798 01:00:03,208 --> 01:00:04,666 the greatest show ever. 799 01:00:10,083 --> 01:00:12,000 The whole of the universe wants a thrill. 800 01:00:12,916 --> 01:00:15,750 That's what it's all about, otherwise it would be boring 801 01:00:15,791 --> 01:00:20,583 for that is the spirit of showmanship of the players. 802 01:00:37,333 --> 01:00:40,791 To be able to bring them to their feet like that, 803 01:00:40,833 --> 01:00:44,416 to give them something they had never seen. 804 01:00:44,458 --> 01:00:47,166 I think that's everything, that's why we play the game. 805 01:00:48,375 --> 01:00:51,708 When I see a guy do something and brings me out of my chair 806 01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:56,000 you go, "Wow!" Like Montana, an 80-yard 807 01:00:56,041 --> 01:00:58,208 drive in the last minute and a half of a game to 808 01:00:58,250 --> 01:01:01,041 win the Superbowl, you go, "Wow, that's unreal." 809 01:01:01,083 --> 01:01:06,333 The great players have a personality that shines through in their technique 810 01:01:06,375 --> 01:01:08,958 and how they apply it in their sense of artistry. 811 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,750 I think, the great players do recognize that what they're doing 812 01:01:11,791 --> 01:01:16,291 isn't just taking part in a game, it's also a performance. 813 01:01:16,333 --> 01:01:18,416 Do you consider yourself an artist? 814 01:01:18,458 --> 01:01:24,291 Oh, yes, 100% and that's not trying to be egotistical, 815 01:01:24,333 --> 01:01:26,750 that's just a fact. I entertain people. 816 01:01:26,791 --> 01:01:30,125 I entertained and I was an artist and I was paid to win. 817 01:01:45,791 --> 01:01:47,750 I would watch Barry Sanders run. 818 01:01:48,625 --> 01:01:51,375 There was something qualitatively 819 01:01:51,416 --> 01:01:54,916 different about what he was doing when he was putting one foot in front of the other. 820 01:01:56,166 --> 01:01:57,833 You could watch the five-yard loss and say, 821 01:01:57,875 --> 01:01:59,625 "That is something I've never seen before." 822 01:01:59,666 --> 01:02:03,291 It's like Picasso just doing something different with 823 01:02:03,333 --> 01:02:06,041 the brush and I think there is that aspect to sport. 824 01:02:06,083 --> 01:02:08,166 Because otherwise, you're just watching four quarters 825 01:02:08,208 --> 01:02:11,125 again, and guys putting the same ball in the same hoop. 826 01:02:11,166 --> 01:02:14,708 I've wrestled with alligators, I've tussled with a whale, 827 01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:18,083 I done handcuff lightning and put thunder in jail. 828 01:02:18,125 --> 01:02:21,166 You know I'm bad, I have murdered a rock. 829 01:02:21,208 --> 01:02:24,958 I injured a stone and I hospitalized a brick. 830 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,416 I'm so bad I made medicine sick. 831 01:02:27,458 --> 01:02:29,666 I'm so fast, man, I can run through 832 01:02:29,708 --> 01:02:31,416 a hurricane and don't get wet. 833 01:02:31,458 --> 01:02:34,375 When George Foreman meets me, he'll pay his debt. 834 01:02:34,416 --> 01:02:39,708 I can drown a drink of water and kill a dead tree, wait until you see Muhammad Ali. 835 01:02:42,750 --> 01:02:46,833 I think I was obsessed with the way I looked. 836 01:02:46,875 --> 01:02:50,083 Meticulous. 837 01:03:06,666 --> 01:03:09,291 I don't like just old beat up shoes. 838 01:03:09,333 --> 01:03:12,708 I had a pair of new shoes every football game. 839 01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:14,250 Didn't you get blisters though, 'cause new shoes... 840 01:03:14,291 --> 01:03:17,333 No at all. It didn't bother me at all. 841 01:03:17,375 --> 01:03:23,791 It just, you know, one of those ritual things that I felt that was very important to my game. 842 01:03:23,833 --> 01:03:25,708 You have to look a certain way 843 01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:27,833 to play well on a football field. 844 01:03:27,875 --> 01:03:31,208 The right pants, the right socks, style 845 01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:34,458 was very important, very important to me. 846 01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:37,000 You need to help me with the jam. 847 01:03:37,041 --> 01:03:39,458 -You need to help me with the jam. -Give it to me. 848 01:03:40,666 --> 01:03:42,250 -You need to help me with the jam. -Ho. 849 01:03:42,291 --> 01:03:43,833 -You need to help me with the jam. -Ho. 850 01:03:45,125 --> 01:03:47,000 -You've got it. -Yes, I've been good. 851 01:03:47,041 --> 01:03:49,083 You need to help me with the jam. 852 01:03:49,125 --> 01:03:52,458 -You need to help me with the jam. -Ho. 853 01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:56,250 It was just like doing a dance, it had to be a certain way. 854 01:04:04,708 --> 01:04:10,416 The way I positioned my hands, the way I utilized my feet. 855 01:04:15,958 --> 01:04:18,583 You have to have a creative mind. 856 01:04:18,625 --> 01:04:23,583 And you have to be one of those individuals that's willing 857 01:04:23,625 --> 01:04:27,458 to step out of your boundary just a little bit. 858 01:04:34,541 --> 01:04:36,916 The Ali shuffles brought the crowd laughing. 859 01:04:36,958 --> 01:04:40,875 I am the master of illusion. Learn my hand. 860 01:04:49,291 --> 01:04:53,250 Right before your eye is a miracle, a miracle. 861 01:04:53,291 --> 01:04:54,458 It was art. 862 01:04:55,708 --> 01:04:59,458 Art, but still staying in a team concept. 863 01:05:08,291 --> 01:05:10,625 The coaches can only do so much. 864 01:05:10,666 --> 01:05:12,333 Now it's up to the players 865 01:05:12,375 --> 01:05:14,708 and the players, they have to take over the team. 866 01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:16,500 Black 59 Razor. 867 01:05:16,541 --> 01:05:18,166 Black 59 Razor. 868 01:05:20,958 --> 01:05:23,916 Black 59 Razor. 869 01:05:23,958 --> 01:05:25,708 Black 59 Razor. 870 01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:30,000 Whenever he said that, I knew there was no safety. 871 01:05:30,041 --> 01:05:33,458 I just had this guy right in front of me to beat. 872 01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:37,166 Just look down the line, look at him, we smile at each other 873 01:05:37,208 --> 01:05:41,958 and we know that, "Okay, it's time to go to work here." 874 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,250 All I have to do is just run my best route, 875 01:05:45,291 --> 01:05:48,833 get open and I knew that he was going to deliver the football. 876 01:05:48,875 --> 01:05:50,833 Black 59 Razor. 877 01:06:02,416 --> 01:06:06,208 He knew he could trust me and I knew I could trust him 878 01:06:06,250 --> 01:06:08,916 because we had done it over and over again. 879 01:06:08,958 --> 01:06:11,416 Mario and I did our talking on the ice. 880 01:06:11,458 --> 01:06:14,666 You know, we kind of knew where each other was. 881 01:06:14,708 --> 01:06:18,000 We played the game in our mind the same way. 882 01:06:27,041 --> 01:06:29,458 When I got the puck, I knew where he was going to be 883 01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:32,625 because that's where I'd be, vice versa. 884 01:06:32,666 --> 01:06:35,875 We played against the Czechs in the Round-Robin. 885 01:06:35,916 --> 01:06:39,458 We had a two on one against Hasek, and I passed him 886 01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:42,791 the puck and he passed it back to me and I didn't score. 887 01:06:42,833 --> 01:06:45,208 When we got back to the bench, I said "Mario, 888 01:06:45,250 --> 01:06:48,666 if we ever get a two on one again, I'm setting it up, 889 01:06:48,708 --> 01:06:50,250 you're the shooter, you don't miss." 890 01:06:50,291 --> 01:06:53,541 He never misses and sure enough final game, 891 01:06:53,583 --> 01:06:56,166 final shift, we had two one and I knew 892 01:06:56,208 --> 01:06:58,833 when I passed it to him, he wasn't going to do anything but shoot it. 893 01:07:14,708 --> 01:07:19,083 It's about a ritual thinking so it's about coming with something fresh and new. 894 01:07:19,125 --> 01:07:21,000 I remember talking to Paul McCartney about it and he said 895 01:07:21,041 --> 01:07:23,458 he and John used to sit down at the height 896 01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:25,083 of their work in The Beatles. 897 01:07:25,125 --> 01:07:26,916 One of them would always have an idea for a song. 898 01:07:26,958 --> 01:07:28,458 That was the rule. 899 01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:30,583 He said, "The other rules, we never 900 01:07:30,625 --> 01:07:31,750 stood up until we got the song." 901 01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:49,166 -How are we doing, Hal? -Sometimes it took ten minutes 902 01:07:49,208 --> 01:07:51,125 and sometimes it might take 40, he said "I don't think it ever 903 01:07:51,166 --> 01:07:54,583 took more than an hour when we stood up and we had a song." 904 01:07:54,625 --> 01:07:57,250 The second one out of every three is the one. 905 01:07:57,291 --> 01:07:59,083 Every Beatles song is different 906 01:07:59,125 --> 01:08:01,166 from the other Beatles songs and why? 907 01:08:01,208 --> 01:08:03,041 Because they decided they had to be. 908 01:08:04,750 --> 01:08:08,125 If it's a team activity, whether it's an orchestra... 909 01:08:12,666 --> 01:08:14,291 Or a football team... 910 01:08:24,291 --> 01:08:30,500 Or a hockey team or a group of acrobats, 911 01:08:33,166 --> 01:08:36,333 they have to have that sense of comfort. It's not just you out there. 912 01:08:36,375 --> 01:08:39,166 The people are going to do what they are supposed to do. 913 01:08:42,041 --> 01:08:45,166 It's always a balance between discipline and spontaneity. 914 01:08:59,416 --> 01:09:01,958 One part of the impulse in any sport 915 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,250 is to explore the range of your own limits. 916 01:09:05,291 --> 01:09:09,208 To be the best you can be, so you have to wonder 917 01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:11,291 whether we're reaching the limits of that. 918 01:09:11,333 --> 01:09:14,458 I mean, there is, after all, only so high people will be able to jump. 919 01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:16,083 It's not gonna carry on getting higher, 920 01:09:16,125 --> 01:09:18,333 we're now dealing with fractions of fractions. 921 01:09:18,375 --> 01:09:20,000 The athletes are better today. 922 01:09:20,041 --> 01:09:22,208 They're just bigger and stronger and better. 923 01:09:23,416 --> 01:09:25,583 Doesn't make them smarter. 924 01:09:25,625 --> 01:09:27,458 What do we want to get out of sports? 925 01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:30,625 Do we want to see someone dunking on 926 01:09:30,666 --> 01:09:33,541 a 20-foot rim or do we want to see, 927 01:09:33,583 --> 01:09:35,416 under some set of normal circumstances, 928 01:09:35,458 --> 01:09:37,333 the best that people can do? 929 01:09:38,583 --> 01:09:44,416 If the ultimate outcome of professional sports is always just 930 01:09:44,458 --> 01:09:48,458 to become number one of whatever price you pay to get there. 931 01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:50,708 Then you begin to wonder whether the whole 932 01:09:50,750 --> 01:09:52,666 spiritual basis of these guys are being 933 01:09:52,708 --> 01:09:54,958 hollowed out in the process of winning 934 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,833 a game the people are losing interest in. 935 01:09:58,958 --> 01:10:00,875 Where do we draw the-- I think, it's going to be an emotional line that you draw. 936 01:10:00,916 --> 01:10:04,333 What do we have? We might try to logic it out, but I think, it's going to be 937 01:10:04,375 --> 01:10:06,750 when do we have the emotional recoil to where we are now? 938 01:10:16,208 --> 01:10:19,541 We are not robots. 939 01:10:19,583 --> 01:10:24,916 We're people who are driven by feelings 940 01:10:24,958 --> 01:10:30,750 and inspiration and a sense of possibility. 941 01:10:32,125 --> 01:10:35,500 Creativity is the essence of humanity. 942 01:10:35,541 --> 01:10:40,083 That it's not an incidental part of being human, but it's distinctively human. 943 01:10:42,708 --> 01:10:46,375 What we do is we put the child into the corridor of 944 01:10:46,416 --> 01:10:50,000 this grade system and they go to kindergarten, you know. 945 01:10:50,041 --> 01:10:52,375 That's a great thing because when you 946 01:10:52,416 --> 01:10:53,833 finish that, you get into first grade 947 01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:57,750 and then come on, first grade leads to the second grade and so on. 948 01:10:57,791 --> 01:11:00,041 Then you get out of grade school, you go to high school, 949 01:11:00,083 --> 01:11:01,583 then you're going to go to college 950 01:11:01,625 --> 01:11:03,916 and then you get into graduate school. 951 01:11:03,958 --> 01:11:05,416 And when you're through with graduate school, 952 01:11:05,458 --> 01:11:07,208 you go out to join the world. 953 01:11:08,208 --> 01:11:11,583 Then, you get into some racket where you're selling insurance. 954 01:11:11,625 --> 01:11:14,791 All the time, the thing is coming. It's coming, it's coming, 955 01:11:14,833 --> 01:11:17,541 that great thing, the success you're working for. 956 01:11:17,583 --> 01:11:19,500 Then when you wake up one day about 40 years old, 957 01:11:19,541 --> 01:11:25,708 you say, "My God, I've arrived. I'm there." You don't feel very 958 01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:27,750 different from what you always felt. 959 01:11:27,791 --> 01:11:30,875 There's a slight letdown because you feel there's a hoax. 960 01:11:30,916 --> 01:11:33,583 And there was a hoax, a dreadful hoax. 961 01:11:33,625 --> 01:11:35,875 They made you miss everything. 962 01:11:35,916 --> 01:11:39,125 We thought of life by analogy with a journey, 963 01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:44,250 with a pilgrimage, which had a serious purpose at the end. The thing was get to that end. 964 01:11:44,291 --> 01:11:47,791 Success or whatever it is or maybe heaven after you'redead, 965 01:11:47,833 --> 01:11:50,541 but we missed the point, the whole way along. 966 01:11:50,583 --> 01:11:52,916 It was a musical thing and you were supposed to 967 01:11:52,958 --> 01:11:55,458 sing or to dance while the music was being played. 968 01:11:57,041 --> 01:12:00,958 People have immense deep talents that are often overlooked by 969 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,166 the systems that are designed to 970 01:12:04,208 --> 01:12:05,833 educate them or take care of them. 971 01:12:05,875 --> 01:12:08,083 It's like there are natural resources 972 01:12:08,125 --> 01:12:10,208 that are much deeper than we realize. 973 01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:13,500 There are multifarious factors on whether or not people 974 01:12:13,541 --> 01:12:16,000 achieve what they achieve when they achieve them. 975 01:12:16,041 --> 01:12:20,125 And the ones we know about are the ones whose talents came to 976 01:12:20,166 --> 01:12:23,958 fruition because the conditions prove to be favorable for them. 977 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,208 But how many other people could achieve 978 01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:28,791 similar things if the condition is right? 979 01:12:28,833 --> 01:12:32,791 How many Mozarts and Gretzkys are there? You just don't know. 980 01:12:32,833 --> 01:12:35,333 I got lucky the era played in. 981 01:12:35,375 --> 01:12:37,625 I got lucky the style that I was 982 01:12:37,666 --> 01:12:40,125 playing in and I got really lucky with the coaching that I had 983 01:12:40,166 --> 01:12:43,541 and more importantly, the players I played with. 984 01:12:43,583 --> 01:12:48,291 All that combined to be a perfect storm, as simple as that. 985 01:12:48,333 --> 01:12:50,250 Do you think that if you're destined 986 01:12:50,291 --> 01:12:51,750 to be great, you're going to be great? 987 01:12:51,791 --> 01:12:54,000 You're going to find a way to make it happen. 988 01:12:54,041 --> 01:12:56,208 - You think it's your will? -A combination of luck 989 01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:58,666 and your will. You got to be a little lucky. 990 01:13:45,958 --> 01:13:47,458 It's great. 83220

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