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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,483 --> 00:00:09,573 โ™ช 2 00:00:09,618 --> 00:00:12,618 Jake "The Snake" Roberts is one of the most authentic 3 00:00:12,664 --> 00:00:15,414 personalities the wrestling world has ever seen. 4 00:00:15,450 --> 00:00:17,230 I'll drop you so fast with that DDT, 5 00:00:17,278 --> 00:00:19,058 your whole family'll fall down. 6 00:00:19,106 --> 00:00:20,586 [cheering] 7 00:00:20,629 --> 00:00:22,279 He's done it! 8 00:00:22,326 --> 00:00:25,456 Behind his raw intensity lies a depth of personal trauma, 9 00:00:25,503 --> 00:00:28,723 which has shaped his iconic in-ring persona. 10 00:00:28,767 --> 00:00:31,337 How could anything that looks so hot be so cold? 11 00:00:31,379 --> 00:00:34,079 Well, it's easy, you see, time has done that to me. 12 00:00:34,121 --> 00:00:38,081 Unknown to fans for years, wrestlers Sam Houston and 13 00:00:38,125 --> 00:00:40,205 Rockin' Robin are Jake "The Snake's" 14 00:00:40,257 --> 00:00:42,217 real life brother and sister. 15 00:00:42,259 --> 00:00:44,779 Each followed in the footsteps of their father, 16 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:47,477 wrestling giant, Grizzly Smith. 17 00:00:47,525 --> 00:00:49,785 The control that Grizz had over his kids, 18 00:00:49,832 --> 00:00:53,012 he could pit 'em all against each other because 19 00:00:53,053 --> 00:00:56,533 he was a master of everything. He was a puppeteer. 20 00:00:56,578 --> 00:00:59,018 Scarred by traumatic childhoods, 21 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:02,319 the Smith children followed self-destructive paths, 22 00:01:02,366 --> 00:01:04,016 and each battled addictions 23 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,114 that nearly destroyed their lives. 24 00:01:06,153 --> 00:01:08,073 You know how hard it is to put a smile on your face 25 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:10,551 when you know what a piece of shit you really are? 26 00:01:10,592 --> 00:01:14,342 I'd been to prison two days and I tried to hang myself. 27 00:01:14,378 --> 00:01:16,288 It's the very, very young girls, 28 00:01:16,337 --> 00:01:17,817 that seems to be the trigger. 29 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:20,990 And, I was scared of him, just totally scared of him. 30 00:01:21,037 --> 00:01:23,127 This is Jo Lynn here. 31 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:25,870 Without a body, they can't file murder. 32 00:01:25,911 --> 00:01:29,181 Decades later, the Smith family finally face their 33 00:01:29,219 --> 00:01:32,829 haunted past in order to survive beyond the ring. 34 00:01:32,875 --> 00:01:34,785 Lies have consequences. 35 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:36,663 If you want to feel pain, then you have to go 36 00:01:36,705 --> 00:01:39,525 from the top and get knocked to the bottom. 37 00:01:39,577 --> 00:01:41,617 That's when you feel real pain. 38 00:01:41,666 --> 00:01:47,106 โ™ช 39 00:01:51,415 --> 00:01:54,675 โ™ช 40 00:01:54,723 --> 00:01:57,163 None of us wants to talk about what happened. 41 00:01:57,204 --> 00:01:58,604 It's too painful. 42 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,340 There's just too damn much... 43 00:02:01,382 --> 00:02:04,602 that gets drug out. 44 00:02:04,646 --> 00:02:06,906 There was just no relationship. 45 00:02:06,952 --> 00:02:09,132 There was no pat each other on the back shit. 46 00:02:09,172 --> 00:02:11,612 There was no, "I'm happy for you." 47 00:02:11,653 --> 00:02:12,923 You would've never thought we were 48 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:14,828 brothers and sisters, that's for sure. 49 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,401 'Cause we were always that way. 50 00:02:20,444 --> 00:02:23,234 We had just been kind of raised at a distance. 51 00:02:23,273 --> 00:02:25,673 โ™ช 52 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:27,500 Since the formulation of professional wrestling as 53 00:02:27,538 --> 00:02:29,928 an organized sport, it's been a family business 54 00:02:29,975 --> 00:02:31,455 to a lot of the participants. 55 00:02:31,499 --> 00:02:33,809 There's been a lot of well-known wrestling families, 56 00:02:33,849 --> 00:02:35,589 like the Hart family from Calgary, 57 00:02:35,633 --> 00:02:37,333 the Von Erich's from Texas. 58 00:02:37,374 --> 00:02:39,944 You could trust family members with the business secrets 59 00:02:39,985 --> 00:02:42,725 and the secrets in the ring because they were your blood. 60 00:02:42,771 --> 00:02:45,901 And also, they had a vested interest in the success of 61 00:02:45,948 --> 00:02:48,728 the industry because it was their livelihood as well. 62 00:02:48,777 --> 00:02:49,907 I'm Jim Cornette. 63 00:02:49,952 --> 00:02:51,522 For over 40 years, I've been a part of 64 00:02:51,562 --> 00:02:53,872 professional wrestling as an announcer, manager, promoter. 65 00:02:53,912 --> 00:02:56,182 But also, I've been a student of professional 66 00:02:56,219 --> 00:02:58,349 wrestling history for over 50 years. 67 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:05,534 Even though the Smith family was all related, 68 00:03:05,576 --> 00:03:07,876 the people inside the industry knew that, 69 00:03:07,926 --> 00:03:10,226 but to the fans, Jake Roberts, 70 00:03:10,277 --> 00:03:13,237 Sam Houston, Rockin' Robin, Grizzly Smith, 71 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,890 were all different people. There was no knowledge, 72 00:03:15,934 --> 00:03:17,684 publicly, that they were related. 73 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:20,159 You know, in all honesty, Sam Houston was the best 74 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,680 in-ring performer of the entire family. 75 00:03:22,724 --> 00:03:24,994 My name's Michael Smith, aka, 76 00:03:25,030 --> 00:03:26,250 Sam Houston. 77 00:03:26,293 --> 00:03:27,993 How I fit into the Smith family, 78 00:03:28,033 --> 00:03:29,033 I'm one of 'em. 79 00:03:29,078 --> 00:03:30,338 Depending on who you look at, 80 00:03:30,384 --> 00:03:32,474 I mean, I'm somebody's father, 81 00:03:32,516 --> 00:03:34,906 I'm somebody's son, I'm somebody's brother. 82 00:03:34,953 --> 00:03:37,223 Through our family, first, Jake's the oldest, 83 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:40,310 then Richard, then myself, and then Robin. 84 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:43,140 Robin's one of the best women's world champions, 85 00:03:43,179 --> 00:03:44,919 you know, ever to come down the line. 86 00:03:44,963 --> 00:03:46,663 And, she's my sister. 87 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:48,494 It's an honor for me to say that. 88 00:03:48,532 --> 00:03:50,622 - Wah! - Oh! The bulldog! 89 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:55,707 Many years ago, Rockin' Robin. 90 00:03:55,757 --> 00:03:58,537 - Rockin' Robin! - [cheering] 91 00:04:01,502 --> 00:04:03,772 Actually, it was just kind of a lazy thing. 92 00:04:03,808 --> 00:04:05,638 One of my first matches, they said, 93 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,990 "What do you want to be announced as?" 94 00:04:07,029 --> 00:04:09,419 And I just said, "Okay, Rockin' Robin." 95 00:04:09,466 --> 00:04:12,686 I think I would have liked to have tried out Rotten Robin. 96 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:14,520 I think that would have been fun. 97 00:04:14,558 --> 00:04:16,298 I'm Robin Smith. 98 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:19,263 And, for the Smith family, I am the sister of 99 00:04:19,302 --> 00:04:22,572 Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Sam Houston, and then 100 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:24,310 I have another brother that a lot of people 101 00:04:24,351 --> 00:04:27,881 don't know about, Richard. 102 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:32,269 My name's Richard Nabors, and Aurelian Smith is my father. 103 00:04:32,315 --> 00:04:34,705 And Jake Roberts is my brother. 104 00:04:34,752 --> 00:04:38,062 Sam Houston is my brother. Robin Smith is my sister. 105 00:04:42,151 --> 00:04:43,591 It's Jake. 106 00:04:43,631 --> 00:04:46,071 This is Jake and myself. 107 00:04:46,111 --> 00:04:48,381 Jake "The Snake" Roberts is his wrestling name. 108 00:04:48,418 --> 00:04:50,288 When he was growing up in high school, 109 00:04:50,333 --> 00:04:53,083 my grandmother called him Buster. 110 00:04:53,118 --> 00:04:54,598 That was his nickname. 111 00:04:54,642 --> 00:04:56,172 That kind of stuck with him for years, 112 00:04:56,208 --> 00:04:58,908 but Jake's what he wrestles by and what he goes by. 113 00:05:04,434 --> 00:05:07,004 I didn't want to travel like that. 114 00:05:07,045 --> 00:05:11,485 It's not a lifestyle. But Jake likes attention. 115 00:05:11,528 --> 00:05:13,438 He likes all the stardom being on him. 116 00:05:13,487 --> 00:05:15,617 Please welcome Jake "The Snake" Roberts. 117 00:05:15,663 --> 00:05:17,013 When he walks in the room, I mean, 118 00:05:17,055 --> 00:05:19,575 it's like, you know, he wants it all to be there. 119 00:05:19,623 --> 00:05:22,103 And that's from being in the ring so many years. 120 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:23,977 That's from being in that business. 121 00:05:24,019 --> 00:05:26,669 It's just a rat race. 122 00:05:26,717 --> 00:05:29,067 It wasn't me. 123 00:05:29,111 --> 00:05:30,631 Jake Roberts, as a wrestler, 124 00:05:30,678 --> 00:05:32,938 had strengths and had weaknesses. 125 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:36,254 Jake Roberts was never a high level amateur athlete. 126 00:05:36,292 --> 00:05:38,862 He didn't have a ridiculous physique. 127 00:05:38,903 --> 00:05:41,433 But what Jake knew and understood was the, 128 00:05:41,471 --> 00:05:43,521 the mental aspect of pro wrestling, 129 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,130 the psychology of it. 130 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:47,520 By growing up with a father in wrestling and by 131 00:05:47,564 --> 00:05:50,964 learning how to think of it, and he had the verbal ability. 132 00:05:51,002 --> 00:05:53,702 Don't come calling me a sicko because, 133 00:05:53,744 --> 00:05:55,624 brother, if you look at yourself in the mirror 134 00:05:55,659 --> 00:05:58,399 I think you'll find out one thing... 135 00:05:58,445 --> 00:06:01,485 You're no different than me, if you tell yourself the truth. 136 00:06:01,535 --> 00:06:05,015 Jake "The Snake" Roberts, once he fully developed 137 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:10,540 that persona, was able to make you believe 138 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:14,367 that he really was a snake in the grass. 139 00:06:14,417 --> 00:06:16,897 And there was probably some truth to it. 140 00:06:16,941 --> 00:06:20,901 He was kind of dad's shadow, in a way, I think. 141 00:06:20,945 --> 00:06:24,245 He, he spent as much time as he could with dad and, 142 00:06:24,296 --> 00:06:27,036 maybe, I guess, learning the ropes, you know. 143 00:06:27,082 --> 00:06:29,262 That's... 144 00:06:29,301 --> 00:06:32,091 dad and Jake. 145 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:33,920 Jake "The Snake" Roberts here. 146 00:06:33,958 --> 00:06:38,748 Real name is Aurelian Smith Jr. 147 00:06:38,789 --> 00:06:40,969 Now you know why we went Jake "The Snake". 148 00:06:47,232 --> 00:06:49,322 He didn't want me in wrestling, period. 149 00:06:49,365 --> 00:06:51,585 In fact, he got me fired a couple of places, 150 00:06:51,628 --> 00:06:54,108 asked the promoters to fire me. 151 00:06:54,152 --> 00:06:55,462 To get me out. 152 00:06:55,502 --> 00:06:57,982 I got humiliated, I got stretched, 153 00:06:58,026 --> 00:07:00,116 I got tore up. 154 00:07:00,158 --> 00:07:02,768 Basically, crawled back to the locker room and, 155 00:07:02,813 --> 00:07:04,123 my father looked at me and said, 156 00:07:04,162 --> 00:07:05,602 "I'm ashamed of you. You're gutless and 157 00:07:05,642 --> 00:07:08,522 you'll never amount to anything." 158 00:07:08,558 --> 00:07:10,818 Exactly what I wanted to hear. 159 00:07:10,865 --> 00:07:12,475 That was my whole drive. 160 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:16,519 I got into wrestling because I hated my father. 161 00:07:16,566 --> 00:07:19,476 And that was gonna break it off in his ass. 162 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:21,566 I wanted to hear my father say, 163 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:24,045 "I'm proud of you, son. 164 00:07:24,095 --> 00:07:26,045 I'm really proud of you." 165 00:07:26,097 --> 00:07:29,057 You know, he never told me that. 166 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,490 He'd tell other wrestlers he was proud of 'em, 167 00:07:31,538 --> 00:07:33,278 but he wouldn't tell me. 168 00:07:33,322 --> 00:07:36,502 Never. And that was my drive. 169 00:07:42,723 --> 00:07:44,513 He had worked in the oil fields. 170 00:07:44,551 --> 00:07:47,641 He met someone that had... 171 00:07:47,684 --> 00:07:50,824 knew about wrestling or was involved in wrestling and, 172 00:07:50,861 --> 00:07:54,821 you know, saw this big, humongous dude, you know... 173 00:07:54,865 --> 00:07:57,685 [laughs] And said, "You'd probably be good." 174 00:07:57,738 --> 00:07:59,958 He would line up on Friday afternoon where they all 175 00:08:00,001 --> 00:08:02,701 got paid outside the railroad yard. 176 00:08:02,743 --> 00:08:04,613 And he would stand up against the wall. 177 00:08:04,658 --> 00:08:08,178 And the guys would pay him 25 to 50 cents. 178 00:08:08,226 --> 00:08:10,046 They would pay him if they could just draw back and hit him 179 00:08:10,098 --> 00:08:12,098 in the stomach as hard as they could because 180 00:08:12,143 --> 00:08:16,453 it was a bet to try to make him double over. 181 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:18,846 He would make more money that afternoon, 182 00:08:18,889 --> 00:08:21,889 in an hour's time, than he would the whole week. 183 00:08:21,936 --> 00:08:23,146 So, then he got the wild hair and 184 00:08:23,198 --> 00:08:24,938 he wanted to get into wrestling. 185 00:08:24,982 --> 00:08:27,902 He was 7-foot tall. About 350 pounds. 186 00:08:27,942 --> 00:08:29,942 Long red hair, big beard. 187 00:08:29,987 --> 00:08:32,817 He looked like he just walked right out of the woods. 188 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:34,690 He wore a pair of blue jeans and had a rope. 189 00:08:34,731 --> 00:08:36,861 His sash cord, that's what he called-- 190 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:38,167 that was his belt. 191 00:08:38,213 --> 00:08:40,043 If he could ever get a hold of somebody and 192 00:08:40,084 --> 00:08:42,174 wrap his arms around 'em, then that was it. 193 00:08:42,217 --> 00:08:44,257 [cheering] 194 00:08:50,878 --> 00:08:53,918 Wow, how'd it make me feel? 195 00:08:53,968 --> 00:08:57,798 Well, I was honored. I mean, Superman was my dad. 196 00:08:57,841 --> 00:08:59,191 He's the main event. 197 00:08:59,234 --> 00:09:01,414 He, you know, he's the biggest thing on the card, 198 00:09:01,453 --> 00:09:04,023 and he really was the biggest thing on the card. 199 00:09:04,065 --> 00:09:06,195 I used to get really freaked out when we'd go to the matches. 200 00:09:06,241 --> 00:09:09,031 And I'd be inside the matches, watching him. 201 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:10,590 He'd get his head busted open or, 202 00:09:10,637 --> 00:09:11,767 you know, scratched. 203 00:09:11,812 --> 00:09:13,422 And he'd go to bleeding and stuff. 204 00:09:13,465 --> 00:09:16,725 I'm 6, 7, 8 years old and I would totally flip. 205 00:09:16,773 --> 00:09:18,653 So, dad'd get out of the ring and I'd go back to the 206 00:09:18,688 --> 00:09:20,778 back with him and I'd be crying my eyes out, 207 00:09:20,821 --> 00:09:21,911 and he'd go back there and he'd sit down. 208 00:09:21,952 --> 00:09:23,522 And the doc'd look at him and say, 209 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:25,483 "Grizzly, I told you I can't do anything else with your head," 210 00:09:25,521 --> 00:09:28,131 because the skin, the tissue was tore up so bad. 211 00:09:28,176 --> 00:09:29,256 They'd take it, clean him up, 212 00:09:29,307 --> 00:09:30,827 and put a butterfly Band-Aid on it. 213 00:09:30,874 --> 00:09:32,314 "Okay, see you tomorrow night." 214 00:09:32,354 --> 00:09:34,144 You know, and then he would travel to the next town, 215 00:09:34,182 --> 00:09:37,052 and it was just an ongoing thing. 216 00:09:37,098 --> 00:09:38,618 You know, I used to think when I was a kid, 217 00:09:38,665 --> 00:09:40,835 I said, why does he want to do that? 218 00:09:40,884 --> 00:09:42,634 And he'd tell me, "Son, I gotta make a living." 219 00:09:42,669 --> 00:09:44,409 I think one of the things that has helped me to 220 00:09:44,453 --> 00:09:49,113 understand life and to enjoy life as much as I do... 221 00:09:49,153 --> 00:09:52,073 is my father. 222 00:09:52,113 --> 00:09:55,553 He would give you a whipping for lying to him. 223 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:56,805 He'd give you a whipping 224 00:09:56,857 --> 00:09:59,767 whenever he thought you needed it. 225 00:09:59,816 --> 00:10:04,166 He'd give you a whipping for making a mistake. 226 00:10:04,212 --> 00:10:06,652 [Jake] My father was a mean man. 227 00:10:06,693 --> 00:10:10,833 Mean in the way that he tortured us, psychologically. 228 00:10:10,871 --> 00:10:14,661 He would play the angle out at home. 229 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:18,841 His injuries, his feeling of the upcoming match. 230 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:22,839 How dangerous this match was gonna be with those guys. 231 00:10:22,883 --> 00:10:25,193 And, you know, I look back now and I say, 232 00:10:25,233 --> 00:10:26,713 why didn't I figure it out? 233 00:10:26,756 --> 00:10:28,626 You know, they kept showing up in the same territory 234 00:10:28,671 --> 00:10:30,371 my dad would go to, every damn time. 235 00:10:30,412 --> 00:10:31,592 What the hell? 236 00:10:31,631 --> 00:10:32,981 These guys are chasing my father down and 237 00:10:33,023 --> 00:10:34,943 they're gonna kill him! 238 00:10:34,982 --> 00:10:37,292 I remember crying myself to sleep many a night, 239 00:10:37,332 --> 00:10:39,602 thinking my dad was gonna die. 240 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,689 And that bastard never told us anything. 241 00:10:42,729 --> 00:10:45,909 By the end of the 70s, Grizzly Smith retires from 242 00:10:45,949 --> 00:10:49,039 wrestling in the ring and transitions to a management 243 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:52,093 position behind the scenes, but he would use his power 244 00:10:52,129 --> 00:10:54,919 and influence for something much more sinister. 245 00:10:54,958 --> 00:10:57,398 You know, I had been around the business for a little while 246 00:10:57,439 --> 00:10:59,569 at that point, and when I first got there and 247 00:10:59,615 --> 00:11:01,615 was in the locker room hearing all the other people 248 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:03,401 who had known Grizzly longer, 249 00:11:03,445 --> 00:11:06,355 been around him, talk about him, 250 00:11:06,404 --> 00:11:08,454 the wrestlers always had a way of, 251 00:11:08,493 --> 00:11:11,713 of knocking or talking behind the back of the 252 00:11:11,758 --> 00:11:15,068 authority figure or the "office" personnel. 253 00:11:15,109 --> 00:11:17,199 But I'd never heard it like this. 254 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:20,421 Every joke wherever Grizzly wasn't, 255 00:11:20,462 --> 00:11:23,072 every single little statement had something to do with, 256 00:11:23,117 --> 00:11:25,727 "I wonder if Grizzly's mentoring the young girls," 257 00:11:25,772 --> 00:11:27,562 or, "he's probably got one of them on his lap 258 00:11:27,599 --> 00:11:29,599 reading her Bible verses." 259 00:11:29,645 --> 00:11:32,125 And they would laugh and they thought that was funny. 260 00:11:32,169 --> 00:11:33,609 I'm like, that... 261 00:11:33,649 --> 00:11:34,999 kind of strange. 262 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:40,352 And I had no idea of the back story that the family 263 00:11:40,395 --> 00:11:44,355 had that would come out in years and decades later on. 264 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:48,229 โ™ช 265 00:11:48,272 --> 00:11:49,622 Everybody knew Grizz. 266 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:52,445 Everybody had good things to say about him. 267 00:11:52,494 --> 00:11:54,454 You wanted to do road trips with him because 268 00:11:54,496 --> 00:11:56,186 you wanted to pick his brain about, like, 269 00:11:56,237 --> 00:11:57,407 how could I make myself better? 270 00:11:57,455 --> 00:11:59,405 How do I make more money? 271 00:11:59,457 --> 00:12:00,977 My name is Nickla Roberts. 272 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:03,774 I worked in the wrestling profession. 273 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:07,030 Look where Baby Doll is! 274 00:12:07,074 --> 00:12:09,084 My dad promoted in Lubbock, Texas. 275 00:12:09,119 --> 00:12:11,249 Both of my parents were wrestlers. 276 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:15,775 But how I actually met and got into the Smith family, 277 00:12:15,822 --> 00:12:18,742 I think this was like April of '85. 278 00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:21,391 I kind of started talking to Sam a little bit then. 279 00:12:21,436 --> 00:12:26,216 And, July 30th was the very first day that we kissed. 280 00:12:26,267 --> 00:12:29,657 And we got married a year to the day from there. 281 00:12:29,705 --> 00:12:31,835 Baby Doll is the mother of my children. 282 00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:34,361 I love her immensely. I always will. 283 00:12:37,931 --> 00:12:41,501 The craziest thing to go along with the whole Grizzly Smith 284 00:12:41,543 --> 00:12:43,853 and, and the weirdness of it was, 285 00:12:43,893 --> 00:12:46,853 to do a road trip with him, we would like all of a sudden 286 00:12:46,896 --> 00:12:49,676 be like 50 miles off the road, 287 00:12:49,725 --> 00:12:52,765 picking up some 14, 15-year-old girl. 288 00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:55,595 Then she was gonna ride with us for 3 to 4 days. 289 00:12:55,644 --> 00:12:57,564 And it was just like... 290 00:12:57,602 --> 00:13:01,522 you're gonna put... okay. 291 00:13:01,563 --> 00:13:03,743 And then her parents were like waving on the front yard, 292 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:06,833 like, "Bye, see you on Tuesday." 293 00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:09,403 It was really weird because it wasn't until 294 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,620 after his death that... 295 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:13,580 you kind of start finding out, you know, 296 00:13:13,618 --> 00:13:15,488 the whole whirlwind of the stories and 297 00:13:15,533 --> 00:13:19,283 the whole just horrible stuff that was going on. 298 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,110 And, I was there and, and I... 299 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:24,370 you kind of get that feeling like, 300 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:27,022 okay, something, something's not quite right. 301 00:13:27,067 --> 00:13:29,327 And you look for it. 302 00:13:29,373 --> 00:13:31,253 I was right there and I never saw it. 303 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:34,118 โ™ช 304 00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:42,132 Before embarking on a career in the ring as 305 00:13:42,169 --> 00:13:46,089 Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Aurelian Smith Jr. endures 306 00:13:46,129 --> 00:13:48,349 a traumatic childhood, which would be 307 00:13:48,392 --> 00:13:51,572 a source of torment for the rest of his life. 308 00:13:51,613 --> 00:13:54,443 Jake was a, a mean son of a bitch 309 00:13:54,485 --> 00:13:57,655 that didn't care about nothing. 310 00:13:57,706 --> 00:14:01,096 And there's nothing that's out of bounds with Jake. 311 00:14:01,144 --> 00:14:06,064 Aurelian, completely different cat. 312 00:14:06,106 --> 00:14:08,756 Aurelian hasn't grown... 313 00:14:08,804 --> 00:14:11,154 since he was 12, 13 years old. 314 00:14:11,198 --> 00:14:14,508 I put him away a long time ago. 315 00:14:14,549 --> 00:14:18,379 I had to, 'cause it hurt too much. 316 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:22,772 I don't think I've been Aurelian in 30 or 40 years. 317 00:14:22,818 --> 00:14:25,208 And I don't know that I ever will be again. 318 00:14:25,255 --> 00:14:30,295 Aurelian feels it and Aurelian remembers. 319 00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:34,607 And Aurelian's crippled and can't do nothing about it. 320 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:37,346 But I am more comfortable with Jake now. 321 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:39,008 I respect Jake. 322 00:14:39,052 --> 00:14:41,272 I know how dangerous Jake can be. 323 00:14:41,315 --> 00:14:44,135 Jake's okay as long as you've got him handcuffed, you know. 324 00:14:44,187 --> 00:14:46,617 You know, really, seriously. 325 00:14:46,668 --> 00:14:50,888 Aurelian though, very scared kid. 326 00:14:50,933 --> 00:14:53,633 And again, I don't think I've grown since 327 00:14:53,675 --> 00:14:56,545 I was probably 13. 328 00:14:56,591 --> 00:14:58,901 When most of that stuff started happening. 329 00:15:04,947 --> 00:15:07,647 She was 13 when I was born. 330 00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:11,079 My father was a pedophile. 331 00:15:11,127 --> 00:15:15,177 Disgusting pedophile. 332 00:15:15,218 --> 00:15:19,528 Which would haunt me the rest of my life. 333 00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:22,310 By the age of 17, then he divorced my mother, 334 00:15:22,356 --> 00:15:25,316 and he left and went on the road, 335 00:15:25,359 --> 00:15:27,969 leaving us all behind. Kids got passed out. 336 00:15:28,014 --> 00:15:30,364 My little brother, Richard, he was passed out to 337 00:15:30,407 --> 00:15:32,107 my dad's sister and her husband. 338 00:15:32,148 --> 00:15:33,668 They couldn't have children. 339 00:15:33,715 --> 00:15:36,015 My sister Jo Lynn was... 340 00:15:36,065 --> 00:15:37,755 she was tossed everywhere. 341 00:15:37,806 --> 00:15:39,416 She spent too much time with my dad, 342 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:41,640 if you know what I mean. 343 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:44,329 My mother was blind to a lot of this. 344 00:15:44,378 --> 00:15:46,598 I had a great mother, wonderful mother. 345 00:15:46,641 --> 00:15:49,081 Loving mother. 346 00:15:49,122 --> 00:15:52,392 After his parents split up, Jake lives an idyllic life 347 00:15:52,429 --> 00:15:55,169 with his grandmother until she passes away when he is 348 00:15:55,215 --> 00:15:59,435 11 years old, forcing him to move back in with his father 349 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,920 and his new wife, Marsha. 350 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:04,351 I thought it was gonna be the greatest thing ever, man. 351 00:16:04,398 --> 00:16:08,788 This is gonna be so cool. 352 00:16:08,837 --> 00:16:13,017 Well... it wasn't cool. 353 00:16:13,059 --> 00:16:15,409 He was forced to take me home with him. 354 00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:17,892 Shortly after I moved in with him, 355 00:16:17,933 --> 00:16:21,023 his wife started playing games. 356 00:16:21,067 --> 00:16:24,027 Sometimes games that weren't so funny. 357 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:25,770 Sexual games. 358 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:27,290 I went... 359 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:30,384 to my dad and told on her one time. 360 00:16:30,424 --> 00:16:32,994 And... 361 00:16:33,035 --> 00:16:35,725 she stopped me right in the middle of it, 362 00:16:35,777 --> 00:16:37,947 said, "I'll tend to you later." 363 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,427 And she went in, talked to my dad, 364 00:16:39,476 --> 00:16:41,086 next thing I know, she beat me with 365 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:44,610 a damn clothes hanger and fly swatter. 366 00:16:44,655 --> 00:16:46,435 It's one thing to have sex, but it's another thing 367 00:16:46,483 --> 00:16:49,233 to get beaten for doing it. Freaked me out. 368 00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:52,229 Little did I know, my father was aware of all that 369 00:16:52,272 --> 00:16:56,322 'cause he was doing the same thing to my sisters. 370 00:16:56,363 --> 00:16:57,673 [cheering] 371 00:16:57,712 --> 00:17:00,852 First, I want to say this, is that my intention 372 00:17:00,889 --> 00:17:04,149 is not to destroy a legacy that was, 373 00:17:04,197 --> 00:17:06,977 you know, my dad was great at what he did. 374 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:09,116 He could be a hero. 375 00:17:09,158 --> 00:17:12,768 But, to me, he was my monster. 376 00:17:12,814 --> 00:17:15,954 โ™ช 377 00:17:15,991 --> 00:17:19,861 I guess, just going back to when it all started, 378 00:17:19,908 --> 00:17:23,038 I was probably 8 or 9 years old. 379 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:28,045 And, the, the wild thing about it was, 380 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:33,230 was that I remember about a month before 381 00:17:33,269 --> 00:17:37,139 the first thing ever happened, he... 382 00:17:37,186 --> 00:17:39,356 he, basically, was working me. 383 00:17:39,406 --> 00:17:41,966 And this is part of the manipulation that, 384 00:17:42,017 --> 00:17:45,887 that I think people... 385 00:17:45,934 --> 00:17:50,424 people do to kind of groom you and, you know, 386 00:17:50,460 --> 00:17:53,070 get you where they want you, basically. 387 00:17:53,115 --> 00:17:55,285 So, for about a month or so before the first thing 388 00:17:55,335 --> 00:17:57,685 ever happened, he was walking around, 389 00:17:57,728 --> 00:17:59,428 completely ignoring me. 390 00:17:59,469 --> 00:18:01,599 He couldn't stand to be in the same room. 391 00:18:01,645 --> 00:18:04,125 You know, as an 8-year-old kid, I mean, 392 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:06,220 you think, what in the world have I done? 393 00:18:06,259 --> 00:18:09,309 All you want is the love of your parents, right? 394 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:12,309 Then one day, my, my mother was gone, 395 00:18:12,352 --> 00:18:14,142 and he, he worked during the day. 396 00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:17,620 He was home working in the office in the back and, 397 00:18:17,661 --> 00:18:20,491 so he called me in the back, and just to, 398 00:18:20,534 --> 00:18:22,624 just to say, "Well, you know, 399 00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:24,626 you know daddy loves you," and... 400 00:18:24,668 --> 00:18:28,018 and, I mean, I was so relieved that, you know, 401 00:18:28,063 --> 00:18:30,073 oh, he does love me. 402 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:33,159 He doesn't hate me and that turned into the 403 00:18:33,199 --> 00:18:35,549 first time he put his hands on me. 404 00:18:35,592 --> 00:18:38,162 So... [clears throat] 405 00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:43,214 Ah, you come out of that real confused and real... 406 00:18:43,252 --> 00:18:47,342 you know, had no idea how to process that. 407 00:18:47,387 --> 00:18:48,997 I mean, you just don't. 408 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,830 I think that very day it strips you of your security. 409 00:18:53,871 --> 00:18:56,351 It strips you of your self-worth, 410 00:18:56,396 --> 00:18:59,046 self-respect, innocence. 411 00:18:59,094 --> 00:19:01,104 It strips you of all the things that, 412 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,230 that make you a child. It really does. 413 00:19:07,102 --> 00:19:14,112 I think from when I was about 8 until about 14. 414 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:15,853 I told my mother about it and 415 00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:18,243 she gathered up everything and we left. 416 00:19:18,287 --> 00:19:22,467 At about 15, I actually remember telling him that 417 00:19:22,509 --> 00:19:25,509 if he ever did anything again that I would shoot him 418 00:19:25,555 --> 00:19:26,985 with his own gun. 419 00:19:27,035 --> 00:19:28,075 'Cause I knew where they were. 420 00:19:35,826 --> 00:19:38,386 All I can tell you is that my mother was 421 00:19:38,438 --> 00:19:41,268 not the kind of person that 422 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:43,970 would have tried to be inappropriate. 423 00:19:44,008 --> 00:19:46,138 If something happened with my mother, 424 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:49,225 I tend to think that my dad probably asked her to 425 00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:52,885 do some things that she never would have done, 426 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:56,020 just for his own whatever pleasure. 427 00:19:56,064 --> 00:20:00,684 She was what, 16 - if - whenever they got married. 428 00:20:00,721 --> 00:20:03,551 So, I mean, she was very, very young. 429 00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:06,863 When Robin is 15 years old, her half-sister, 430 00:20:06,901 --> 00:20:09,471 Jo Lynn, Grizzly's other daughter, 431 00:20:09,512 --> 00:20:11,862 pays her an unexpected visit. 432 00:20:11,906 --> 00:20:13,596 She came, she picked me up and, 433 00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:15,737 we went out, we went shopping. 434 00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:18,869 And it, to me, it seemed like there was just, 435 00:20:18,913 --> 00:20:21,613 there was something that she was wanting to tell me 436 00:20:21,655 --> 00:20:24,265 or talk to me about, or ask me, or... 437 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:27,180 She was just asking quite a few questions. 438 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,706 Her main thing was, do I feel safe? 439 00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:31,800 Do I feel comfortable? 440 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:35,449 I think she wanted to know if, 441 00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:38,445 if I had gone through the same thing because there was 442 00:20:38,498 --> 00:20:42,238 no doubt in my mind that the same thing happened to her. 443 00:20:42,284 --> 00:20:44,594 I don't doubt it, to this day. 444 00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:48,034 It just seemed like there was an awful lot on her mind. 445 00:20:48,072 --> 00:20:49,992 And then, it was about 2 weeks later 446 00:20:50,031 --> 00:20:52,161 when she was kidnapped. 447 00:20:52,207 --> 00:20:54,597 โ™ช 448 00:20:59,954 --> 00:21:04,314 โ™ช 449 00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:08,350 Richard and Mike and I were at a roller-skating rink. 450 00:21:08,397 --> 00:21:10,487 We had gone over there, gone skating. 451 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:13,710 And, they came over the intercom and said, 452 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:16,360 "Robin, Mike, Richard, the Smith family." 453 00:21:16,405 --> 00:21:18,355 We got a phone call. 454 00:21:18,407 --> 00:21:19,667 It was dad, and he told me, he said, 455 00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:22,193 "You need to get home. Get home immediately." 456 00:21:22,237 --> 00:21:23,847 [Robin] So, we got home. 457 00:21:23,891 --> 00:21:26,981 Dad left a note in the house that said 458 00:21:27,024 --> 00:21:30,164 Jo Lynn had been kidnapped. 459 00:21:30,201 --> 00:21:32,511 I thought it was kind of crazy at first because I was like, 460 00:21:32,552 --> 00:21:34,162 how does he know she's been kidnapped? 461 00:21:34,205 --> 00:21:35,685 Was there a ransom or... 462 00:21:35,729 --> 00:21:37,079 what was going on? 463 00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:39,821 Richard put his hand through the wall. 464 00:21:39,863 --> 00:21:43,133 I busted. And I totally lost it. 465 00:21:43,171 --> 00:21:45,871 They were very close, Richard and Jo Lynn. 466 00:21:45,913 --> 00:21:47,873 Closer than any of us. 467 00:21:47,915 --> 00:21:49,305 Somebody has hurt my sister. 468 00:21:49,351 --> 00:21:51,701 I need to find out what my next step is. 469 00:21:51,745 --> 00:21:53,485 I couldn't understand why somebody'd want to kidnap 470 00:21:53,529 --> 00:21:56,399 somebody that was so sweet. She never hurt nobody. 471 00:21:56,445 --> 00:21:58,135 She had no intentions of hurting nobody. 472 00:21:58,186 --> 00:22:00,486 She just wanted to live a happy, free life. 473 00:22:00,536 --> 00:22:02,226 And she was finally happy. 474 00:22:02,277 --> 00:22:05,107 She had a kid, that mission was accomplished. 475 00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:07,369 It was a quiet, peaceful trailer park she was living in. 476 00:22:07,413 --> 00:22:11,113 She finally had it going on, and then this. 477 00:22:11,155 --> 00:22:13,675 When you talk about murder, kidnapping, 478 00:22:13,723 --> 00:22:15,733 armed robbery, something like that, 479 00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:17,289 no, we, we just didn't have that. 480 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:19,856 That just wasn't in Tatum, Texas. 481 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:21,953 My name's Carl Gage. My nickname's Buzz. 482 00:22:21,992 --> 00:22:23,522 I've been Buzz all my life. 483 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,519 I'm 69 years old and in 1979, 484 00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:30,872 I was 28 and I was Chief of Police at Tatum, Texas. 485 00:22:30,914 --> 00:22:32,834 As I remember, just on routine patrol 486 00:22:32,873 --> 00:22:35,483 one particular morning and, the manager from the 487 00:22:35,528 --> 00:22:37,658 Cherry Hill mobile home park flagged me down. 488 00:22:37,704 --> 00:22:39,104 I knew him, and he said, 489 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:41,190 "I had a kidnapping out here at the trailer park." 490 00:22:41,229 --> 00:22:45,059 Jo Lynn was there with little Ted, her baby. 491 00:22:45,102 --> 00:22:48,722 They grabbed her and pulled her out and 492 00:22:48,758 --> 00:22:52,108 threw her in this car, and took off. 493 00:22:52,153 --> 00:22:54,903 Jo Lynn was 5'10, probably weighed 200. 494 00:22:54,938 --> 00:22:57,638 You ain't gonna take her down by yourself. 495 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,640 Me and her used to wrestle, and she's tough. 496 00:23:00,683 --> 00:23:04,643 So, there ain't no way one person loaded her in that car. 497 00:23:04,687 --> 00:23:06,517 Went right to it pretty quick and got out there and, 498 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,429 the door's open. 499 00:23:08,474 --> 00:23:09,954 Of course, we hear something in the house. 500 00:23:09,997 --> 00:23:11,217 - SFX: [baby crying] - And I go... 501 00:23:11,259 --> 00:23:12,389 "What's that?" He said, "Well, 502 00:23:12,434 --> 00:23:14,224 her baby's in there." 503 00:23:14,262 --> 00:23:16,572 The baby's fine, wasn't no problem. 504 00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:18,352 Then the husband got there. 505 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:21,697 We got in and I noticed some letters on the little table 506 00:23:21,748 --> 00:23:24,528 there by the door and I said, "What are these? 507 00:23:24,577 --> 00:23:26,007 They're addressed to your wife." 508 00:23:26,056 --> 00:23:27,666 He said, "That's my ex-wife. 509 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:31,190 She would send threatening letters to her." 510 00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:33,275 With the menacing letters as evidence, 511 00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:35,724 authority's number one suspect becomes 512 00:23:35,762 --> 00:23:40,242 Faelyn Rogers, the ex-wife of Jo Lynn's husband. 513 00:23:40,288 --> 00:23:43,468 Investigators discover incriminating evidence in 514 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:46,429 Faelyn's car, and she eventually confesses 515 00:23:46,468 --> 00:23:49,518 to the kidnapping, but she claims Jo Lynn escaped 516 00:23:49,558 --> 00:23:51,818 shortly after the abduction. 517 00:23:51,865 --> 00:23:53,475 Searching, oh, lord have mercy, 518 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:55,169 we had search parties out. 519 00:23:55,216 --> 00:23:57,436 We had helicopters, we had horses, 520 00:23:57,479 --> 00:24:00,089 we had motorcycles, we had people on foot. 521 00:24:00,134 --> 00:24:03,664 I had a psychic call me. She came down. 522 00:24:03,703 --> 00:24:05,573 "I think I can help you out. 523 00:24:05,618 --> 00:24:09,008 I think I'm getting messages from Jo Lynn." 524 00:24:09,056 --> 00:24:12,406 She was given a personal possession of Jo Lynn's. 525 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:16,461 She was saying, "It's just, it's dark. 526 00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:18,628 Maybe like a well or something." 527 00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:20,854 Let's starts looking for abandoned wells. 528 00:24:20,894 --> 00:24:22,944 And we got information on a couple of 'em that had been 529 00:24:22,983 --> 00:24:24,853 covered or filled in so, we went out, 530 00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:29,208 we checked them. We never found a body. 531 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:31,860 Jo Lynn's body is never recovered, 532 00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:34,385 making a murder charge impossible. 533 00:24:34,429 --> 00:24:36,949 Faelyn is brought to court indicted on the lesser 534 00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:41,517 charge of kidnapping and the Smith family is devastated. 535 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,347 I think that's probably the first time my father 536 00:24:43,394 --> 00:24:45,144 ever missed a wrestling match, 537 00:24:45,179 --> 00:24:47,009 was when my sister was kidnapped. 538 00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:50,970 He went to the trial. I didn't go to the trial. 539 00:24:51,011 --> 00:24:54,971 I was medicating myself, trying to pass out every day. 540 00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:58,315 The only information we got was through dad because 541 00:24:58,366 --> 00:25:00,846 we weren't allowed to go to court, 542 00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:03,070 and he just said, "No, you're not going to court." 543 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:05,030 And that was that. 544 00:25:05,068 --> 00:25:07,808 It's amazing that the evidence was overwhelming, 545 00:25:07,854 --> 00:25:12,084 but without the body and without somebody to say, 546 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,429 "I saw her kill her"... 547 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:17,560 She got convicted of aggravated kidnapping, 548 00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:20,213 got 30 years. I think she served 7. 549 00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:22,647 Dad used to carry a piano string in his hand. 550 00:25:22,695 --> 00:25:24,565 You'd take a piano string and two pieces of wood and 551 00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:25,790 hold it in your hand. 552 00:25:25,828 --> 00:25:27,398 He was hoping to get close enough to her, 553 00:25:27,438 --> 00:25:29,788 supposedly, is what I been told, 554 00:25:29,832 --> 00:25:32,182 he was wanting to get close enough to her to where 555 00:25:32,226 --> 00:25:34,916 he could be able to do that, and it would kill her. 556 00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:37,488 I was told that it was 4 sheriffs in front, 557 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:40,496 in back, and on the sides because dad was so large. 558 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,319 And they knew with a man that large, 559 00:25:42,366 --> 00:25:48,236 once he was mad, it was gonna be hell to pay. 560 00:25:48,285 --> 00:25:50,235 Well, they say murder's hard to prove. 561 00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:52,247 How can you prove murder? Go back to the story. 562 00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:56,249 She works at a place that has an incinerator. 563 00:25:56,293 --> 00:25:58,603 I believe that that's where they took her. 564 00:25:58,644 --> 00:26:00,384 Whether she was conscious, unconscious, 565 00:26:00,428 --> 00:26:01,688 or even dead. 566 00:26:01,734 --> 00:26:03,614 I think she found her way to the incinerator. 567 00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:08,039 And there's no evidence, it's all gone. 568 00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:09,828 [Robin] I just started thinking that, 569 00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:12,012 who would have the most to lose here? 570 00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:15,178 What's the reason to get rid of her? 571 00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:17,175 I thought, well, I mean, really 572 00:26:17,227 --> 00:26:19,967 somebody who's got a lot to lose would be dad. 573 00:26:20,013 --> 00:26:22,283 If she was gonna expose him, you know, 574 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,319 with the young girls and, you know, 575 00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:26,365 it would cost him his, his career and, 576 00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:28,940 so yeah, I kind of question that. 577 00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:32,198 Richard really wanted to go to Unsolved Mysteries and 578 00:26:32,242 --> 00:26:34,642 dad actually told him he didn't want him to. 579 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,600 We're going, "Why in the world wouldn't you want that? 580 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,768 They solve, they actually solve murders." 581 00:26:39,815 --> 00:26:41,295 Dad was against it. 582 00:26:41,338 --> 00:26:44,908 So, you know, that throws in more suspicion there. 583 00:26:44,951 --> 00:26:46,261 [Richard] Yeah, there's a wild thought. 584 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:47,690 Did dad have something to do with it? 585 00:26:47,736 --> 00:26:50,086 Was he involved? I don't know. 586 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:51,870 You could bring up a thousand questions 587 00:26:51,914 --> 00:26:53,484 on the whole ordeal. 588 00:26:53,524 --> 00:26:55,094 I wish I could say, "Man, I walked in there, 589 00:26:55,135 --> 00:26:57,745 I seen my dad, he was just bawling his eyes out. 590 00:26:57,790 --> 00:26:59,790 It tore him to shreds." 591 00:26:59,835 --> 00:27:01,045 I never saw it. 592 00:27:01,097 --> 00:27:03,397 โ™ช 593 00:27:08,191 --> 00:27:10,671 Although a conviction is made for the kidnapping of 594 00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:13,756 Jo Lynn Smith, Jake "The Snake" Roberts and 595 00:27:13,806 --> 00:27:15,896 his siblings struggle to cope with the 596 00:27:15,938 --> 00:27:17,978 tragic loss of their sister. 597 00:27:26,601 --> 00:27:28,911 Oh, yeah, the hate. 598 00:27:28,951 --> 00:27:31,691 I, I use the hate a lot, man. 599 00:27:31,737 --> 00:27:34,087 Thank you, dad. [spits] 600 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:36,390 The whole Snake character was made because 601 00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:38,917 I didn't want people looking at me. 602 00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:40,831 Look at the snake bag, don't look at me. 603 00:27:40,876 --> 00:27:43,306 Don't ask me questions, look at the snake bag. 604 00:27:43,357 --> 00:27:45,707 And everybody fears that, everybody knows that. 605 00:27:45,751 --> 00:27:47,541 Kids loved it because mom and dad went, 606 00:27:47,578 --> 00:27:48,748 "Oh, my god, a snake!" 607 00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:50,757 And they loved seeing mom and dad do that, 608 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:55,059 you know, so, therefore, they loved Jake "The Snake". 609 00:27:55,108 --> 00:27:57,678 Crazy people. 610 00:27:57,719 --> 00:28:00,979 As Jake's stardom continues to reach new heights, 611 00:28:01,027 --> 00:28:03,117 Robin seizes the opportunity 612 00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:05,249 to pursue a career in wrestling. 613 00:28:05,292 --> 00:28:10,302 I went to North Carolina and trained with Nelson Royal who... 614 00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:12,600 was a fabulous wrestler and... 615 00:28:12,647 --> 00:28:14,297 a legend. 616 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:17,484 And Nelson trained her like one of the guys. 617 00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:20,311 Wow, okay. 618 00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:22,000 I wanted to change things. 619 00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:26,918 I wanted the girls' matches to be just as exciting, 620 00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:29,226 you know, if they could, as the guys'. 621 00:28:29,272 --> 00:28:30,622 I mean, why not? 622 00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:32,665 When Robin completes her training, 623 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:35,061 she uses her father's connections to show off 624 00:28:35,104 --> 00:28:39,244 her skills at a WWF TV taping, and she catches 625 00:28:39,282 --> 00:28:42,902 the attention of top promoter, Vince McMahon. 626 00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:45,458 So, they put me on a dark match with Sherri. 627 00:28:45,506 --> 00:28:46,896 I couldn't tell you how long it lasted. 628 00:28:46,942 --> 00:28:48,552 I mean, it was, it's a complete, 629 00:28:48,596 --> 00:28:50,206 total blur, to this day. 630 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:53,080 I have no idea what happened. 631 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:55,212 All I know is that when I got out, 632 00:28:55,255 --> 00:28:57,645 Mr. McMahon had said, "Oh, my, my god, 633 00:28:57,692 --> 00:28:59,482 she throws a punch like a guy." 634 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,910 And, I was like, cool, alright. 635 00:29:01,957 --> 00:29:03,567 And then, the next thing I know, 636 00:29:03,611 --> 00:29:06,831 I get the package in the mail at my house that is 637 00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:09,565 airline tickets and schedule and all that, 638 00:29:09,617 --> 00:29:11,357 and I was like, wow. 639 00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:14,101 You know, it was a, it was a total surprise. 640 00:29:14,143 --> 00:29:15,543 ...don't count your chickens before they-- 641 00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:17,799 there's a bulldog off the top rope! 642 00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:21,023 A bulldog! Turns her over! 643 00:29:21,063 --> 00:29:23,763 - She got her! - No, I don't believe it! 644 00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:25,365 [cheering] 645 00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:28,375 History has been made, here in Paris, France! 646 00:29:28,418 --> 00:29:31,248 At the time, they had Grizz, Sam, 647 00:29:31,291 --> 00:29:33,731 Robin, and Jake were all working 648 00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:36,822 for the WWE at the time. 649 00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:40,082 In wrestling, the best compliment that 650 00:29:40,126 --> 00:29:42,166 you can be given is that somebody would say, 651 00:29:42,215 --> 00:29:44,825 "You're a hell of a hand." You're a good worker. 652 00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:49,180 That means that you can not only perform pro wrestling 653 00:29:49,222 --> 00:29:51,052 at a high level, but you can do it 654 00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:52,663 without hurting your opponent. 655 00:29:52,703 --> 00:29:54,923 And, Sam Houston was the best worker in the family. 656 00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:56,317 He was the lightest. 657 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,879 He was actually too light, he was painfully thin. 658 00:29:58,927 --> 00:30:01,627 And that was what held him back from being used 659 00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:03,709 in a more prominent position. 660 00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:05,628 Especially in the bigger territories, 661 00:30:05,673 --> 00:30:09,333 Crocket Promotions, the NWA... 662 00:30:09,372 --> 00:30:10,902 [Commentary] Poor Sam Houston. 663 00:30:10,939 --> 00:30:12,329 Unfortunately, Mike was like 664 00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:14,195 a lot of the other wrestlers. 665 00:30:14,247 --> 00:30:15,897 He got to making good money and stuff, 666 00:30:15,944 --> 00:30:17,734 was doing good, and then... 667 00:30:17,772 --> 00:30:19,172 went to drinking. 668 00:30:23,038 --> 00:30:26,298 [sighs] Um... 669 00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:28,776 listen-- whenever he told my dad that we were 670 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:34,087 getting married, he had 32 Crown and Cokes. 671 00:30:34,136 --> 00:30:35,876 32. 672 00:30:35,921 --> 00:30:38,401 It was amazing how much he could drink and 673 00:30:38,445 --> 00:30:40,055 still be able to walk. 674 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,060 At the time, I thought I would love him enough that 675 00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:47,845 it would get better and it wouldn't matter and 676 00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:50,109 that my love could conquer all, and... 677 00:30:50,152 --> 00:30:51,982 it didn't. 678 00:30:52,024 --> 00:30:53,944 I just realized that it wasn't me. 679 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,202 There was nothing I could have done. 680 00:30:56,245 --> 00:30:58,195 Addictive personality must run through 681 00:30:58,247 --> 00:31:01,687 our entire family. I mean, seriously. 682 00:31:01,729 --> 00:31:05,909 Because they're very strong addictions. 683 00:31:05,951 --> 00:31:09,611 You have to find ways to put that 684 00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:15,130 self-respect back into yourself. 685 00:31:15,177 --> 00:31:17,477 After years of living on her own, 686 00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:21,137 Robin gets a surprise visit from her father, Grizzly. 687 00:31:21,183 --> 00:31:24,493 The bell rings and, I go to open it up and 688 00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:26,284 I see him standing there. 689 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,759 And, right by his side, this little girl, 690 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,930 about 9 years old. 691 00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:33,977 โ™ช 692 00:31:34,022 --> 00:31:36,422 I could tell you, the colour, everything 693 00:31:36,459 --> 00:31:40,159 just drained from my body and 694 00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:43,602 I knew for sure this girl was in trouble. 695 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,380 So, he comes in and the first thing he says, 696 00:31:47,427 --> 00:31:49,727 "Can you make her a daiquiri? 697 00:31:49,777 --> 00:31:51,517 Do you have the stuff to make her a daiquiri? 698 00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:53,221 She wants to try daiquiris." 699 00:31:53,259 --> 00:31:55,959 It took everything just not to absolutely 700 00:31:56,001 --> 00:31:58,741 come apart and come unglued. 701 00:31:58,786 --> 00:32:01,086 And, I said, "No, I don't." 702 00:32:01,136 --> 00:32:04,786 Shortly after, he went to the back and he went to bed. 703 00:32:04,835 --> 00:32:06,355 I stayed up with her all night. 704 00:32:06,402 --> 00:32:07,662 We never went to sleep. 705 00:32:07,708 --> 00:32:09,748 And, I wanted to ask questions and 706 00:32:09,797 --> 00:32:12,317 I knew what questions to ask. I said, you know, 707 00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:15,015 "Sometimes, does he pull off to the side of the road and 708 00:32:15,063 --> 00:32:17,983 want to give you a kiss?" And she said, "Yeah." 709 00:32:18,023 --> 00:32:20,633 It didn't scare her, but, I mean, 710 00:32:20,677 --> 00:32:23,987 she was like, "But yeah, it makes me uncomfortable." 711 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:26,679 He got up the next morning, got all his things together 712 00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:28,987 and said, "Come on, we gotta go," and I said, 713 00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:32,044 "You're gonna go, but she's not going anywhere. 714 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,860 She's staying right here." 715 00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,958 I was not letting this girl go anywhere. 716 00:32:36,998 --> 00:32:39,908 I think that told him everything he needed to know 717 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,478 about how I felt. 718 00:32:41,524 --> 00:32:44,404 โ™ช 719 00:32:49,532 --> 00:32:52,322 Reeling from the traumas endured in their adolescence, 720 00:32:52,361 --> 00:32:53,621 Jake, Robin, and Sam 721 00:32:53,667 --> 00:32:56,537 each battle addiction into adulthood. 722 00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:59,023 But for Sam, the consequences become 723 00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:01,374 a matter of life or death. 724 00:33:01,414 --> 00:33:03,684 Sam Houston had the all-time Texas state record 725 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,720 for most DUI offenses. 726 00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:10,987 And, the reason why that he was not jailed for them long 727 00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:13,822 before that he was, was because Grizzly Smith had 728 00:33:13,861 --> 00:33:17,041 been such a big name and such an important person, 729 00:33:17,082 --> 00:33:20,482 and knew so many people in the state of Texas over all 730 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,350 those years and etcetera, that he was able to 731 00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:23,831 get him out of it. 732 00:33:23,871 --> 00:33:26,271 He never spent more than a day or two in jail before. 733 00:33:26,308 --> 00:33:27,568 Grizz was right there and got him out 734 00:33:27,614 --> 00:33:29,094 'cause he knew somebody. 735 00:33:29,137 --> 00:33:31,097 And Grizz just knew everybody, 736 00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:33,489 and I think he knew something about everybody. 737 00:33:40,061 --> 00:33:42,721 I really don't know 'cause, I mean, 738 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,679 everything I was ever charged with was only first, 739 00:33:45,719 --> 00:33:49,109 or first offense, or I think-- and I got a second offense. 740 00:33:49,157 --> 00:33:52,247 It was basically always a fine that I'd have to pay and, 741 00:33:52,291 --> 00:33:54,291 you know, community service. 742 00:33:54,336 --> 00:33:56,816 Any time I was doing any, anything like that, 743 00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:58,170 any kind of community service, 744 00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:59,730 I always gave it my all. 745 00:33:59,776 --> 00:34:04,686 I washed 7 firetrucks one day for the parade, you know. 746 00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:07,828 After years of shocking repeat offenses and 747 00:34:07,871 --> 00:34:11,531 lenient punishments, Sam's luck has run out. 748 00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:14,361 Grizzly is unable to come to his rescue, 749 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,660 and Sam is ultimately sent to prison. 750 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:20,967 If they caught you doing something 20-somthing times, 751 00:34:21,015 --> 00:34:25,055 how many times have you really done it? Right? 752 00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:26,926 The Mothers Against Drunk Driving had gotten 753 00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:30,237 his record, and had seen, like, all the judges and 754 00:34:30,285 --> 00:34:33,895 all the magistrates that had gotten Sam off. 755 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:36,861 Finally, he did have to go to jail. 756 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:39,120 They're telling me 30 years. 757 00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:42,124 I, I was at the end of my rope. 758 00:34:42,167 --> 00:34:45,387 So, two days, January the 12th, 759 00:34:45,431 --> 00:34:48,091 two days, a Saturday night... 760 00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:51,869 I knew I had to break my neck when I jumped. 761 00:34:51,915 --> 00:34:55,825 I said, "God, only you can stop this." 762 00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:59,266 And... and I jumped. 763 00:34:59,314 --> 00:35:03,194 I'm gonna tell y'all, I hit the ground with such force. 764 00:35:03,231 --> 00:35:08,541 The soles of my feet were bruised for weeks. 765 00:35:08,584 --> 00:35:13,074 I know how to tie a knot. These knots broke. 766 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:16,551 Meanwhile, Jake spirals deeper into new depths of 767 00:35:16,592 --> 00:35:19,552 drug and alcohol fueled addictions. 768 00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:20,895 I'm not gonna sugar coat this. 769 00:35:20,944 --> 00:35:22,604 A lot of people in professional wrestling, 770 00:35:22,642 --> 00:35:24,342 just like a lot of people in professional sports, 771 00:35:24,383 --> 00:35:25,783 a lot of people in rock 'n roll, 772 00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:27,949 have had bad personal habits. 773 00:35:27,995 --> 00:35:32,565 Having said that, Jake's were stunning. 774 00:35:32,608 --> 00:35:34,308 The one guy that you would think, 775 00:35:34,349 --> 00:35:36,049 this guy's not gonna make it, 776 00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:39,400 and somehow, he always did, and still has, 777 00:35:39,441 --> 00:35:41,921 he was like the Keith Richards of pro wrestling. 778 00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:44,355 The most important thing in my life 779 00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:46,193 for 20 years was cocaine. 780 00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:48,191 Above all things. 781 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:51,893 Above sex, above money, above children, 782 00:35:51,932 --> 00:35:55,282 above wives, above mama, above everything. 783 00:35:55,327 --> 00:35:59,157 Cocaine had to be number one. 784 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,720 That is really messed up. 785 00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:03,288 I will tell you this. 786 00:36:03,335 --> 00:36:05,985 Being in the limelight gets you things that 787 00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:09,603 you think you want or you need. Because when you do drugs, 788 00:36:09,645 --> 00:36:12,815 your idea of a good time changes, brother, 789 00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,776 and you get kind of freaky. 790 00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:16,394 โ™ช 791 00:36:16,435 --> 00:36:18,695 You know, at first it was one girl. 792 00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:21,441 Then it was two girls, and then it was three girls 793 00:36:21,483 --> 00:36:24,313 doing this with a rabbit and a dog and donkey and clown. 794 00:36:24,356 --> 00:36:25,836 [laughs] Having fun. 795 00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:27,789 Sitting on the back of a chair with a lamp on my head. 796 00:36:27,837 --> 00:36:31,227 Yeah, it gets stupid. 797 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:34,706 I guess one of the biggest lows in Jake's career was 798 00:36:34,757 --> 00:36:36,757 the Heroes of Wrestling Pay Per View. 799 00:36:36,803 --> 00:36:42,373 And, this is story number 747,000 of Jake Roberts 800 00:36:42,417 --> 00:36:45,197 showing up in no condition to perform or actually to 801 00:36:45,246 --> 00:36:47,246 function as a human being. 802 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:50,122 A lot of the guys that night put in bad performances just 803 00:36:50,164 --> 00:36:52,044 because they were out of shape our past their prime, 804 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,039 but with Jake, he was legitimately 805 00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:56,211 on planet Neptune. 806 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,907 Everybody knew that Jake was not right. 807 00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:02,655 And, he had a snake, which became a phallic symbol. 808 00:37:02,698 --> 00:37:06,088 And, it was a 10-year period or more there 809 00:37:06,136 --> 00:37:08,656 where that more often than not, 810 00:37:08,704 --> 00:37:10,844 if Jake Roberts made a public appearance, 811 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,840 you would hear about Jake Roberts 812 00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:15,582 doing something he shouldn't do in public. 813 00:37:15,624 --> 00:37:19,324 I'm a junkie. I'm a liar, I'm a thief. 814 00:37:21,891 --> 00:37:23,241 [exhales sharply] 815 00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:25,504 Do you know how much self-hate is involved 816 00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:27,197 in admitting that? 817 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:29,065 How I had to look at myself in the mirror? 818 00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:33,026 I took all the mirrors down. The ones I didn't, I broke. 819 00:37:33,076 --> 00:37:36,036 Within years of the WWF phasing out their 820 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:39,689 women's division, Robin ends her career as a wrestler and 821 00:37:39,735 --> 00:37:43,865 eventually hits her own rock bottom with alcohol abuse. 822 00:37:43,913 --> 00:37:45,653 Drinking was never a problem. 823 00:37:45,698 --> 00:37:49,088 I did it really, really well. 824 00:37:49,136 --> 00:37:50,956 I was better than just about anybody at it. 825 00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:53,617 It wasn't necessarily because of... 826 00:37:53,662 --> 00:37:57,492 of... not working as much. 827 00:37:57,536 --> 00:38:00,276 I think that had more to do with from, 828 00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:04,461 from my childhood. 829 00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:08,679 You know, unfortunately, the result of that is addiction 830 00:38:08,721 --> 00:38:11,551 and, even with that, I realized that 831 00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:13,123 it wasn't getting me anywhere. 832 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,340 And, you know, my father ruined my childhood and so, 833 00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,912 I'll be damned if he ruins the rest of my life. 834 00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:22,949 โ™ช 835 00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:32,267 On June 12, 2010, Grizzly Smith dies from 836 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:35,230 complications due to Alzheimer's disease. 837 00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:37,659 He was 77 years old. 838 00:38:37,706 --> 00:38:39,526 His biological son, Richard, 839 00:38:39,578 --> 00:38:41,358 who was given up for adoption, 840 00:38:41,406 --> 00:38:44,576 would be Grizzly's sole caretaker until the end. 841 00:38:44,626 --> 00:38:49,936 โ™ช 842 00:38:49,979 --> 00:38:51,549 I, ah... 843 00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:53,850 I got there as quick as I could. 844 00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:58,602 Dad had passed. 845 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,340 He... 846 00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:07,001 โ™ช 847 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,260 He had just passed. 848 00:39:09,303 --> 00:39:12,703 โ™ช 849 00:39:12,741 --> 00:39:14,611 He died while I was in prison. 850 00:39:14,656 --> 00:39:16,086 I'm in the worst place in the world, 851 00:39:16,136 --> 00:39:19,746 I just got the most devastating news in the world. 852 00:39:19,792 --> 00:39:21,142 Well, he's got a... 853 00:39:21,184 --> 00:39:22,664 he's got a lot of good qualities. 854 00:39:22,708 --> 00:39:28,798 And, he was born out of love and I still love him. 855 00:39:28,844 --> 00:39:31,764 I thought that with him passing I wouldn't 856 00:39:31,804 --> 00:39:34,154 have to think of some things anymore. 857 00:39:34,197 --> 00:39:37,977 โ™ช 858 00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:40,327 But memories don't go away that easily. 859 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:50,430 No, no. Hell, no. 860 00:39:50,475 --> 00:39:52,515 I don't think he thought, no. 861 00:39:52,564 --> 00:39:54,704 I don't think he thought he did anything wrong. 862 00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:58,220 You know, there was never any kind of serious 863 00:39:58,265 --> 00:40:03,705 conversation, apologies, anything like that. 864 00:40:03,749 --> 00:40:06,839 I think he thought everything was just, just fine. 865 00:40:12,845 --> 00:40:15,105 A few years ago, we finally did. 866 00:40:15,151 --> 00:40:17,071 I, I can't imagine. 867 00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:19,550 I can't imagine how devastating that would, 868 00:40:19,591 --> 00:40:21,241 could be to somebody. 869 00:40:21,288 --> 00:40:22,938 You know, and, and Robin, I guess, 870 00:40:22,985 --> 00:40:25,725 like my mom, you know, they knew as a child 871 00:40:25,771 --> 00:40:28,901 growing up that my father was Superman to me. 872 00:40:28,948 --> 00:40:31,988 And, they wouldn't do anything to tarnish him 873 00:40:32,038 --> 00:40:34,298 because they care for me so much. 874 00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:36,484 Sam idolized his dad. 875 00:40:36,521 --> 00:40:38,651 He probably would have forgiven his dad for it 876 00:40:38,697 --> 00:40:40,307 rather than helped his sister. 877 00:40:43,702 --> 00:40:47,312 He could make Sam believe that it was Robin's fault. 878 00:40:47,357 --> 00:40:50,577 Or he could make Sam believe that it was Jake's fault. 879 00:40:50,622 --> 00:40:54,762 It wasn't Grizz's fault, it was somebody else's fault. 880 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,240 I don't blame anybody at all 881 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,500 for the lack of being together. 882 00:41:00,545 --> 00:41:03,715 That was all done early on by dad. 883 00:41:03,765 --> 00:41:06,585 So, I mean, it, it's-- nobody dropped the ball. 884 00:41:06,638 --> 00:41:08,468 It's not anybody's fault. 885 00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:10,419 It just, it was how it was. 886 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:14,118 โ™ช 887 00:41:14,167 --> 00:41:16,167 That's me and dad. 888 00:41:16,212 --> 00:41:19,172 I was probably 10. 889 00:41:19,215 --> 00:41:22,435 He never apologized for giving me up for adoption. 890 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,660 And I never asked for it. 891 00:41:24,699 --> 00:41:27,439 I have no complaints. I mean, how can I complain? 892 00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:28,745 I'm the lucky one out of the bunch, 893 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:31,620 is the way I consider it. 894 00:41:31,663 --> 00:41:34,713 With Grizzly's death, his children finally feel 895 00:41:34,753 --> 00:41:37,453 safe enough to open up about their experiences 896 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:38,965 from childhood, 897 00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:42,148 but their estrangement still exists today. 898 00:41:42,195 --> 00:41:45,065 I think there's a certain amount of hope that 899 00:41:45,111 --> 00:41:47,071 Robin and I could be friends. 900 00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:51,033 I respect her and I love her very much. 901 00:41:51,073 --> 00:41:54,693 And it'd be nice to have a sister. 902 00:41:54,729 --> 00:41:57,819 Yeah, I'd love to be close with everybody, you know. 903 00:41:57,863 --> 00:41:59,343 I understand though that, you know, 904 00:41:59,386 --> 00:42:01,996 we've all got like different paths. 905 00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:04,961 Do I wish I could have spent more time with my siblings? 906 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,350 Yeah, it sounds good, yeah. 907 00:42:07,394 --> 00:42:08,794 I'd like to try. 908 00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:10,400 And after this, I mean, there's a lot of thoughts 909 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,530 going through my mind right now. It's... 910 00:42:14,575 --> 00:42:17,095 maybe I gotta figure out how to do that. 911 00:42:17,143 --> 00:42:19,413 Bridging out across. 912 00:42:19,449 --> 00:42:22,499 You know, I think this is opening some communication. 913 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:25,240 It might have a little to do with bringing us 914 00:42:25,281 --> 00:42:27,551 a little bit closer in. 915 00:42:27,588 --> 00:42:29,978 I guess this is why I agreed to go ahead and 916 00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:33,765 talk about it was that, I want people to really know, 917 00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:36,082 it's very, very tough and I would never say 918 00:42:36,118 --> 00:42:38,118 it's easy to get past it. 919 00:42:38,164 --> 00:42:40,514 I don't know that you ever do get past it. 920 00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:43,388 But, you don't have to stay in it. 921 00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:47,520 You can be successful, you can overcome it. 922 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:49,305 And for God sakes, if it's something 923 00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:50,609 you're going through now, 924 00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:52,865 if anybody's going through it now, 925 00:42:52,918 --> 00:42:55,788 tell somebody. You've got to tell somebody. 926 00:42:55,834 --> 00:42:59,364 It will not stop. You have to tell somebody. 927 00:42:59,402 --> 00:43:02,102 And, and you will get help. 928 00:43:02,144 --> 00:43:03,714 What I want to tell you is this: 929 00:43:03,755 --> 00:43:05,755 you can't glorify what happened to me. 930 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,540 But I ain't the only one. 931 00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:10,365 There's millions of other kids that are 932 00:43:10,413 --> 00:43:14,593 going through the same thing as I speak. 933 00:43:14,635 --> 00:43:17,635 If you're one of those kids... 934 00:43:17,682 --> 00:43:20,992 Run! Run like the wind. 935 00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:23,733 Go to the police, go to your pastor, 936 00:43:23,775 --> 00:43:27,165 go to the... just go. 937 00:43:27,213 --> 00:43:30,523 And if it's already happened to you, 938 00:43:30,564 --> 00:43:33,394 you gotta get help. 939 00:43:33,436 --> 00:43:37,566 I'm 65 now, and I'm not ashamed anymore. 940 00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:39,655 Still a little angry at times, 941 00:43:39,704 --> 00:43:42,054 but not so angry that I have to medicate it. 942 00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:44,577 I've been sober now for 10 years. 943 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:47,062 10 years, woo. 944 00:43:47,102 --> 00:43:51,112 I did it. I made it all the way back. 945 00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:55,150 The bottom line is, never, ever... 946 00:43:55,197 --> 00:43:58,157 ever give up. 947 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,470 โ™ช 73760

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