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In August of 1953 Iran had
a democratic government.
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Its parliament and
prime minister,
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the popular Mohammad Mosaddegh,
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had nationalized
the oil industry
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to control the
country's chief asset.
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Then, the CIA intervened.
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I am honored to be in the
timeless city of Cairo.
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[Applause and Cheering]
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We meet at a time
of great tension
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between the United States and
Muslims around the world.
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Tension rooted in
historical forces
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that go beyond any
current policy debate.
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For many years Iran has
defined itself in part
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by its opposition to my
country and there is,
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in fact, a tumultuous
history between us.
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Since the Islamic
revolution Iran has played
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a role in acts of hostage
taking and violence
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against US troops and civilians.
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In the middle of the Cold
War the United States
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played a role in the overthrow
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of a democratically elected
Iranian government.
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This history is well known.
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I have never heard
anything about the CIA,
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especially in 1953.
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I don't know anything about it.
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I'm sorry, I don't know
anything about that.
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I have no knowledge
of that whatsoever.
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Something I've never heard of,
never known anything about.
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I have no clue.
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Uh...
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Uh...
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Uh... can you repeat that?
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Well I wasn't born in 1953 so
I've never heard of the coup.
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That was a little
bit before my time.
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After the Eisenhower
administration made its decision
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to overthrow Mosaddegh, Allen
Dulles selected Kermit Roosevelt
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to carry out the coup. At the
beginning of august 1953
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Kermit Roosevelt
arrived in Tehran
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and began this covert operation.
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It's really a fascinating
operation to study
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because it answers
this odd question.
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How do you overthrow
a government?
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Former Premier Mosaddeghās
ruined house is a mute testimony
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to three days of bloody rioting
culminating in a military coup.
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Suppose you get sent to a
country and you're told
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"overthrow the government" so
what do you do on the first day?
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What do you do on
the second day?
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In the quick shift
of power, Mosaddegh
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was finally apprehended and
awaits trial for treason.
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The Shah, who had fled
to Rome, comes home
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backed by General Zedekiah,
military strongman,
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who engineered his
return to power.
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The general will now
have a strong voice
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in the newly formed
government whose cabinet
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is seen here with Shah Pahlavi.
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How do you overthrow
a government?
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Many countries in the Middle
East are what you might call
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fake countries or
invented countries.
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They're countries that were
created by outside powers,
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usually in the wake of
World War I and I think
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there's a temptation for
people that aren't familiar
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with the region to see
Iran in that category
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but that's not true. Actually
the opposite is true.
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Iran, formerly known as Persia,
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is one of the world's
oldest civilizations.
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At a time when Europeans
are still living in caves
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and wearing animal
skins people in Persia
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were conducting
experiments in astronomy
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and learning about mathematics
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and writing beautiful poetry.
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So this is a civilization that
has a great deal of sense
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of its history, a sense of self
confidence, a sense of identity
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and a sense of being rooted
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in the long course
of world history.
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This is not a country that
just arrived and it is trying
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to figure out who or what it is.
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In 1908 the British
discovered oil in Iran.
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Geologists soon learned that
Iran sits on an ocean of oil.
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The British decided that they
needed oil to run their cars,
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to power their Navy and
to fuel their economy.
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But Britain has no oil.
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When oil was discovered
there the British decided
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that they would like to
control that entire resource.
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Soon after the discovery this
Anglo Iranian Oil Company
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was formed and it purchased
the majority stake
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and then the oil company
arranged a concession with Iran.
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The entire stock of Iranian
oil was the property
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of this British company and
all the rights to exploit oil
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in Iran belonged
to this company.
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Oil, of course, became
very profitable
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from the 1920s onwards
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and the way the division
was, was abysmal.
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For instance, Iran was
getting sometimes
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16 percent of the profits
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and the profits were
defined in such a way
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that it actually
short changed Iran.
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Books were not open
to the public,
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even to the Iranian government.
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In 1951, Mohammad Mosaddegh was
chosen Prime Minister of Iran.
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Mosaddegh was a tireless
social reformer,
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fiercely nationalistic
and incorruptible.
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No account of the 20th century
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is complete without
a chapter on him.
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Mohammad Mosaddegh was an
outstanding politician,
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political figure in Iran
for a long, long time.
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He had relatives who were
part of the previous dynasty,
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The Qajar dynasty and he
was a prominent figure
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for a number of decades in Iran.
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Before he became Prime
Minister in 1951 he was
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a vocal opponent of British
control over Iran's oil industry
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and generally Britain's control
over Iran as a country.
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We have to remember
this is at a time
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when there's a wave of
nationalism going through Iran.
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There's been long struggle
against the British
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since the late 1800s and there
was a feeling in the country
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that it was time for Iran
to really be independent.
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As Iran's vast petroleum
reserves aroused nationalists
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following seizure by
the Iranian government
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of the British
operated refineries
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and distribution facility.
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Demonstrations at the huge
oil port of Ibadan culminate
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in the tearing down of
signs over company offices
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and the raising of the Iranian
flag over the installations.
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- And here comes Gossamer, a
very well respected person,
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a lawyer, who managed
to get himself
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in this very powerful
position in the country.
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Mosaddegh was a
fascinating figure.
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He must be one of the
towering figures
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in the 20th century history
of the developing world.
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Bear in mind that when he
emerged there had never been
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a figure from a poor country
who had risen up in such
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a visible way to challenge
the masters of the universe.
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Nobody from a poor country
had ever stood up and said
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"we own this resource,
it belongs to us,
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it doesn't matter what
companies you've imposed on us
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or what agreements
you've imposed on us;
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all of that was unjust.
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We have this resource and
we are miserably poor.
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We need the money
from this resource
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and we insist on having it."
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Mosaddegh is very
much interested
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in national sovereignty but
there's something more
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than that. He's not
just a national leader.
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He was very sincerely committed
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to the notion of
liberal democracy.
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Time Magazine made
Mohammad Gossamer
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its man of the year for 1951.
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They chose him over Douglas
MacArthur, Harry Truman,
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Winston Churchill and
a number of other
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towering world figures
and they were right.
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He was the most important person
in the world at that time.
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And he did what a lot of
Iranians strongly agreed with,
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which was to make sure
that Iran would keep
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the revenues of its own oil,
at least a big portion of it,
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whereas in the past it
didn't keep any of it.
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So people in Iran
began challenging
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Anglo Iranian Oil
Company and saying
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"you've got to change
your contract with us
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and give us 50 percent,
you keep 50 percent",
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not keep 90 percent or
more, whatever it was,
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no one ever knew since
Iranians were never allowed
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to audit the books.
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The Anglo Iranian Oil
Company refused.
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They would not concede an inch.
They were quite pigheaded.
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I think they were
still maybe caught
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in the colonial mentality of
the past and thought that
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the idea that some
poor country could try
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to pressure them or dictate
terms to them was unthinkable.
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The important thing is who
actually controls oil production
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because if you control oil
production then you can decide
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whether you're going to
increase it or lower it
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and that then determines,
of course, price.
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What Mosaddegh was doing
was threatening that
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because by nationalizing he was
saying MANIOC is not going
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to be in charge of production,
Iran will be in charge.
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We can decide how
much to produce,
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who to sell it to and that
could influence the market.
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So that's where it
became the threat.
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The ability of a foreign
company to control oil
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in the Middle East was
also important, not just
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for the British but also
in the American's eyes.
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They didn't want other
countries in the Middle East
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to begin thinking that all you
have to do is make trouble
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and foreign companies
are going to have to
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make concessions to you.
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The pretense was that they
were willing to compromise
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but the Brits from
right at the beginning
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they didn't want to
give up control.
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They started spending
some money on, you know,
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parks, swimming pools and stuff.
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So by '51 they were saying
"the Iranians should be
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grateful to us because
we've built you
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swimming pools and stuff."
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Well of course a
swimming pool might cost
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the oil company 2,000 pounds.
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What's that when you
know profits are like
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50 million pounds a year
or something like that.
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They were treating them
kind of like the way
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we treated black Americans
in per civil war south,
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or even post civil war
south when we put them in
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economic slavery instead of
real slavery and persisted,
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even more adamantly, in
their desire to rape,
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pillage and plunder Iran.
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The Persians had every
reason to dislike the way
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that MANIOC was treating them.
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The British didn't really know
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how to deal with a
situation like this.
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It was a new era for
them but they were
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still thinking in an older era.
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One of their first impulses
was"well we're going to send
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an army and we'll
just invade Iran."
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Harry Truman, in Washington, got
wind of this and he went crazy.
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You got this situation where
Harry Truman, I think,
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says"I'm not having any of
this, this is imperialism,
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this is colonialism.
We've fought a damn war.
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Winston Churchill when
you come back to the
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government you can go to hell."
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President Truman was
increasingly concerned about
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the intensity of this argument
between Iran and Britain.
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At one point he sent a leading
figure in the United States,
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Aver ell Harridan, who had been
famous as governor of New York
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and had held a number of
international positions,
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to Iran with instructions
to negotiate with Mosaddegh
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and see if he could
get Mosaddegh to make
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some kind of a compromise
with the British.
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I want to express to
you my appreciation
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for your willingness to
undertake this trip to Iran.
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It's a very important job
that you have undertaken
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and one which I think
you can handle
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with satisfaction and success.
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Mr Harridan undertakes a
series of conferences
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with Prime Minister Mosaddegh.
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Out of these conferences
hope emerges,
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that the crisis that threatens
world peace may now be averted.
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Poor Averell Harriman was
shuttling back and forth
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between British and
Iranian representatives,
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trying to make a
deal, and realised
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that neither side
was willing to.
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The British policy was to
actually undermine Mosaddegh
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initially by putting
economic pressure.
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So one way of economic pressure
was to try to close down
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the oil industry, thinking
that the Iranians
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wouldn't be able to
run the oil industry.
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Actually Iranians
were able to run it.
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They kept turning up
the pressure, hoping
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that as one official of the
old British company said
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"when they need money
they will come
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crawling to us on
their bellies."
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So the next step was to
have a blockade so Iran
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couldn't sell its oil and so
whenever tankers from Italy
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or somewhere came to
buy oil the British
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would actually impound them.
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This way the main source
of revenue of course
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for Iran dried up because
Iran's main source
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of foreign exchange and
revenue was in fact oil.
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The British then decided
they would take Mosaddegh
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to international tribunals.
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The first thing Britain did
was to submit a resolution
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to the United Nations
Security Council
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in which the Security
Council would order Iran
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to give back the oil company.
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When Mosaddegh heard about this
he decided to do something
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that no leader of any poor
country had ever done.
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He would fly himself to New
York, which wasn't so easy
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in those days, and personally
present Iran's case
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to the Security Council.
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He made quite a splash
in New York City.
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He went to visit the Liberty
Bell, went to Washington DC.
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He was a very colorful figure,
something like your beloved
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but perhaps slightly
eccentric favourite uncle.
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His speech at the Security
Council was very potent.
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It was the first time that
most people at the UN
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and most people in the world
had ever heard the leader
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of a poor country explain
a clash like this
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from the perspective
of the poor country.
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We'd always been hearing it
from the other perspective.
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[music]
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The United Nations, once again,
confronts a grave problem
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as Premier Mohammad
Mosaddegh of Iran arrives
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with Secretary [Trig Hurley]
at the Security Council
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to present his side of the
explosive Iranian oil case.
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The ailing statesman electrifies
the Council as he denies
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the right of the United
Nations to intervene
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in what he calls a
purely internal matter.
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He accuses Britain of
intimidation by a display
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of armed might after
the nationalization
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of the oil industry.
Sir Goldwyn Ebb,
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Britain's representative,
is an attentive listener
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to his arguments, as is
America's Warren Austin.
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The issue could be peace or war.
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After that debate the Security
Council did something
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that it had never done in the
brief history of the UN,
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which was to refuse to pass
a resolution that had been
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sponsored by one of
the leading members
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of the Security
Council, Britain.
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So the UN refused
to order Mosaddegh
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to give back the oil company.
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Then the British decided
"we're gonna take Mosaddegh
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to the world court in the Hague"
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and Mosaddegh himself
flew to The Hague.
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Hearings before the
International Court
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at The Hague failed to
solve the difference
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as Premier Mosaddegh, with
his parliament behind him,
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firmly pursued his
nationalist course.
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The same thing happened.
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He had a great impact, not
just on public opinion
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but on the judges there
and those judges
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also refused to order him to
give back the oil company.
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So the British were
running out of options.
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From their point of view
Iran had stolen something
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that belonged to Britain.
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It seemed like an
open and shut case.
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"We had a contract with them.
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They gave us the right
to own their oil.
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Now they want it back.
But this is a contract,
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it cannot be violated,
they signed it."
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The United Nations did not
accept this argument;
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the World Court did not
accept this argument.
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This was quite a shock
for the British.
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The British tried
to oust Mosaddegh
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by bribing members
of Parliament.
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But Mosaddegh got
wind of the plot,
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he promptly kicked the
Brits out of the country.
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After the British Embassy
in Tehran was closed
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the British were more
or less out of options.
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They had tried everything
from blockading ports
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to appeals to international
bodies, threats,
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embargoes, everything. Now they
didn't even have anyone in Iran.
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So they turned to the Americans.
Churchill asked
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President Truman,"can
you do us this favour?
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Can you overthrow this madman
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who has taken away
our oil company?"
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Harry Truman, I think,
was violently opposed
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on principle to supporting
the coup and Britain
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worked hard to get Harry
Truman to support the coup.
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And Truman said "no". The
CIA had never overthrown
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a government up to
that time and it was
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Truman's firm belief
that it never should.
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That seemed like the end
of the line for Britain.
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Then, in November of 1952,
a surge of excitement
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charged through the
British foreign service.
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In Washington, a new President
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had been elected - Dwight Di.
Eisenhower.
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IKE for President.
IKE for President.
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You like IKE. I like IKE.
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Everybody likes IKE
for President.
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Hang out the banner
and beat the drum.
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We'll take IKE to Washington.
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We've got to get
where we are going,
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travel day and night
for President.
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Let Ladling go the other way.
We'll all go with Ike.
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You like IKE. I like IKE.
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Everybody likes IKE
for President.
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Hang up the banner
and beat the drum.
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We'll take IKE to Washington.
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We'll take IKE to Washington.
We'll take IKE to Washington.
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We'll take IKE to Washington.
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Now is the time for
all good Americans
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to come to the aid
of their country.
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There was a fundamental
disagreement
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between Truman and Eisenhower
on the question of
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whether Mosaddegh was the
problem or the solution.
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Truman and his Secretary
of State, Dean Acheson,
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had for some time been working
fairly closely with Mosaddegh.
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They had a fundamental
sympathy towards Iran
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and its efforts
to get itself out
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from under the influence
of Great Britain.
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They became convinced
that negotiations
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with Mosaddegh were
the way to go.
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Eisenhower and his group,
on the other hand,
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although they didn't reach
this conclusion right away,
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were much more disposed towards
finding some other solution.
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The British approached
the incoming
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Republican Administration
about overthrowing
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Mosaddegh.
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John Foster Dulles, the
new Secretary of State,
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had long railed against
the dangers of
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communism.
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For much of his career, he
had served as a top lawyer
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for large mulch-national
corporations.
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His brother Allen became the
new director of the CIA.
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It was the first
and only time that
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siblings controlled both
the overt and covert sides
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of American foreign policy.
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It wasn't hard for the
British to talk the brothers
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into overthrowing Mosaddegh.
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The Dulles brothers then
sold the new president
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on the idea of a
coup by playing the
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communist card.
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There's only one person in the
whole Eisenhower administration
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whoever raises this question
of Mosaddeghās true beliefs
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and that person was President
Eisenhower himself.
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There was a meeting of the
National Security Council
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at which Eisenhower
said something like
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"I'm glad we're overthrowing
this communist Mosaddegh
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but I actually wasn't
aware that he really was
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a communist" and Dulles
had a great answer.
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Dulles said"well it's
true that Mosaddegh
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is not a communist,
however Mosaddegh
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is an elderly man, he could
die, he could be overthrown.
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That would produce
instability in Iran.
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There is a communist
party in Iran.
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Iran is on the border
with the Soviet Union,
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therefore circumstances
could unfold in a way
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that might leave Iran
open to communism."
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And then the straw that
breaks the camel's back
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is"the Soviets are coming."
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Where have we heard this before?
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"The Soviets are coming,
the Soviets are coming."
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When Eisenhower
heard that he said
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"okay, you've convinced me."
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And Eisenhower approves
it and it goes ahead
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and there's one other
thing operating here.
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Eisenhower has this
incredible aversion for war,
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not so counter intuitive if you
think about it for a moment.
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He doesn't want to see a
nuclear war in particular
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and so he develops this penchant
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for clandestine operations
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because compared to
war they're cheap.
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After the Eisenhower
administration made its decision
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to overthrow Mosaddegh,
Allen Dulles
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selected Kermit Roosevelt
to carry out the coup.
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Kermit Roosevelt was the
grandson of Theodore Roosevelt.
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He's very well educated,
my god he's a Roosevelt.
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He is full of energy,
the energy of youth,
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the dynamism of youth
and good education
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and he wants to serve his
country but he wants to do it
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in a secretive way,
he wants to do it
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in an adventurous way, he wants
to do it overseas and so forth.
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- As the chief of the Middle
East section of the CIA
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he was the logical choice.
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So he's the perfect person
for this kind of operation.
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At the beginning of August,
1953 Kermit Roosevelt
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arrived in Tehran and began
this covert operation.
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It's really a fascinating
operation to study
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because it answers
this odd question;
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how do you overthrow
a government?
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Suppose you get sent to a
country and you're told
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"overthrow the government" so
what do you do on the first day?
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What do you do on
the second day?
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Kermit Roosevelt, who
really was something
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00:24:53,334 --> 00:24:55,367
like a true life James Bond,
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carried out a very
effective policy.
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Roosevelt bribed tribal
leaders and newspaper editors
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who now claimed that Mosaddegh
was a dictator and had to go.
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Every day they were
printing articles about
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how evil Mosaddegh was,
that he was a Jew,
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he was a homosexual,
he was a criminal,
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he was an agent of the British;
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anything they could think
of to undermine him.
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Leaving nothing to chance,
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Roosevelt bribed military
officers, religious leaders,
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and members of Parliament.
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One of the most
interesting things
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that Kermit Roosevelt
did, besides bribing
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members of parliament
and military officers
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and everyone else,
was his decision
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to throw Tehran into chaos.
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He had this idea that
if there were riots
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and outbreaks of violence
every day around Tehran
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people would begin to think
that Prime Minister Mosaddegh
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had completely lost
control of the country.
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So as the coup day
drew closer he bribed
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the chief leader of the
protection rackets in Tehran,
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a guy named Shaman the
Brainless, to turn out his mob.
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It was Kermit Roosevelt's idea
that this gang, this mob,
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should charge through
the streets of Tehran,
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beat up pedestrians,
break shop windows,
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fire guns into mosques
and then yell
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"up with communism,
we love Mosaddegh"
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and that wasn't even enough.
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Kermit Roosevelt had
an even better idea.
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He hired another mob
to attack that mob.
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That created a huge outbreak
of street violence.
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The first idea that
Kermit Roosevelt had
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was to bring the
Shah into the plot.
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The British had occupied Iran
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during the second world war,
at which time they placed
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Mohammad Reza Pahlavi
on the throne
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as Shah or"King".
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Prior to doing so, they
forced the Shah's father
489
00:27:03,901 --> 00:27:06,668
- a ruthless strongman -
to abdicate the throne
490
00:27:06,701 --> 00:27:09,569
due to suspected
pro-Nazi sympathies.
491
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:11,968
In placing the son
on the throne,
492
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,667
the Brits hoped the younger,
weaker Shah would be
493
00:27:14,701 --> 00:27:16,368
easier to control.
494
00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:21,334
The Shah was a great coward
and a great pipsqueak
495
00:27:21,367 --> 00:27:23,767
and real afraid cat,
very much different
496
00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:26,468
from the image that we had
of him 20 years later.
497
00:27:26,534 --> 00:27:29,649
He was terrified of becoming
involved in this operation
498
00:27:29,667 --> 00:27:32,834
because he feared,
perhaps quite rightly,
499
00:27:32,901 --> 00:27:35,535
that if it went wrong
he'd be finished,
500
00:27:35,567 --> 00:27:37,034
he'd be chased all
out of the country.
501
00:27:37,067 --> 00:27:39,534
This was really dicey
up to the last minute.
502
00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:42,001
The Shah even didn't think
this was gonna work.
503
00:27:42,033 --> 00:27:44,166
They had to fly his
sister in, for example,
504
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,367
who was hated and
didn't even wanna go,
505
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,201
to try and convince
him to do it.
506
00:27:49,233 --> 00:27:52,500
It took a great deal of
persuasion and a lot of pressure
507
00:27:52,534 --> 00:27:54,567
by Kermit Roosevelt and
a number of people
508
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,267
that he brought in to persuade
the Shah to join the plot.
509
00:27:58,333 --> 00:28:44,667
[music]
510
00:28:47,634 --> 00:28:51,301
Now what did Kermit Roosevelt
want the Shah to do?
511
00:28:51,333 --> 00:28:56,867
It was his idea that the
Shah should sign two orders,
512
00:28:56,933 --> 00:28:59,233
"firmands" they're
called in Farsi.
513
00:28:59,267 --> 00:29:02,601
The first order dismisses
Mosaddegh as Prime Minister
514
00:29:02,666 --> 00:29:04,699
and the second order names
515
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,066
General Zahedi as his successor.
516
00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:12,768
So late one night, around
midnight, one of the generals
517
00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:15,767
or a colonel at that
time, loyal to the Shah,
518
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,133
arrived with a few soldiers
at Mosaddeghās house,
519
00:29:19,167 --> 00:29:23,101
bangs on the door and
when the door is opened
520
00:29:23,133 --> 00:29:27,300
says, "I have two
orders from the Shah."
521
00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:30,500
Now everyone, including the
Shah and Kermit Roosevelt
522
00:29:30,567 --> 00:29:32,368
understood what
Mosaddeghās reaction
523
00:29:32,467 --> 00:29:33,301
to these orders would be.
524
00:29:33,333 --> 00:29:36,100
He would say"these are illegal,
I reject these orders.
525
00:29:36,133 --> 00:29:37,967
You have no right to name
a new Prime Minister
526
00:29:38,033 --> 00:29:41,734
or to fire a Prime Minister
without parliament's approval,"
527
00:29:41,833 --> 00:29:46,267
and when he did that they would
arrest him, that was the plan.
528
00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:50,234
That simple plan failed
because Mosaddegh
529
00:29:50,267 --> 00:29:56,300
actually got wind of the plan
so when the Shah's troops
530
00:29:56,333 --> 00:29:59,633
came to Mosaddeghās
home to arrest him
531
00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:03,966
Mosaddegh had actually more
troops there waiting for them.
532
00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:08,033
So they arrested
the Shah's kernel.
533
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:11,934
The next morning Radio
Tehran broadcast the news
534
00:30:11,966 --> 00:30:13,366
that a British plot,
535
00:30:14,066 --> 00:30:17,266
that's what the Iranians,
naively thought it was,
536
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:18,533
had been crushed.
537
00:30:18,733 --> 00:30:21,967
When the Shah heard this he
fled the country immediately
538
00:30:22,033 --> 00:30:24,600
and went to Baghdad
and then on to Rome.
539
00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:27,867
The CIA cabled Roosevelt that
the situation had become
540
00:30:27,966 --> 00:30:31,400
too dangerous and to
leave Tehran at once.
541
00:30:32,534 --> 00:30:36,567
Kermit Roosevelt, however,
thought to himself
542
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,800
"wait, I can still do
this; I have many assets
543
00:30:38,833 --> 00:30:40,467
I haven't used yet.
544
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,999
I can still get this done" and
showing the resourcefulness,
545
00:30:46,066 --> 00:30:50,567
for which he became famous, he
decided to stay on in Tehran
546
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600
and try, four days later,
to stage another coup.
547
00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:55,534
For the next several days,
548
00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:58,001
Roosevelt played the
roll of puppeteer.
549
00:30:58,033 --> 00:31:00,567
Throwing Tehran deeper
into chaos, he had one
550
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,134
gang take to the streets,
followed by another.
551
00:31:04,167 --> 00:31:06,701
After Mullahs marched
to denounce Mosaddegh,
552
00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:09,300
he had the military
storm the streets.
553
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:13,934
They never had any idea that
there was such a person
554
00:31:13,966 --> 00:31:16,834
as Kermit Roosevelt,
that he was operating
555
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,000
in the basement of
the US Embassy.
556
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:23,034
When two Iranian agents working
for the CIA got cold feet,
557
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,633
Roosevelt made them an offer
they couldn't refuse.
558
00:31:27,133 --> 00:31:28,767
Kermit Roosevelt
produced a valise
559
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,266
with 50,000 dollars in cash.
560
00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:34,534
He told them: "if you agree
to continue helping me
561
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,700
I'll give you this 50,000
dollars, and by the way,
562
00:31:37,766 --> 00:31:40,200
if you don't I'm
gonna kill you."
563
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:43,567
Considering that option
they changed their mind
564
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,267
and decided to help.
565
00:31:50,933 --> 00:31:53,767
Roosevelt knew that the other
officers under his control
566
00:31:53,833 --> 00:31:56,767
hadn't been touched yet.
He had Loyd Henderson,
567
00:31:56,833 --> 00:32:00,367
the US Ambassador deliver
a message to Mosaddegh:
568
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,567
establish law and order
and clear the streets
569
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,633
of demonstrators or
the US would cease
570
00:32:04,666 --> 00:32:07,033
to recognize him
as prime minister.
571
00:32:07,066 --> 00:32:10,266
Henderson falsely claimed that
American lives were at risk.
572
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:14,234
Mosaddegh fell for the trap and
effectively disarmed himself.
573
00:32:14,267 --> 00:32:16,868
He ordered his supporters off
the streets, and established
574
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:19,033
martial law which allowed
the coup plotters
575
00:32:19,066 --> 00:32:21,900
to gain access to needed
fuel and weapons.
576
00:32:21,933 --> 00:32:24,801
The military officers in on the
plot then rolled their tanks
577
00:32:24,833 --> 00:32:28,300
into Tehran - not to clear the
streets of demonstrators,
578
00:32:28,333 --> 00:32:30,433
but to arrest Mosaddegh.
579
00:32:30,467 --> 00:32:33,435
At Mosaddegh's residence there
was a final fire fight.
580
00:32:33,467 --> 00:32:36,034
Mosaddeghās men with their
3 tanks were no match
581
00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:39,166
for the 36 tanks that
besieged the residence,
582
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,667
which was soon destroyed.
583
00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:44,701
Finally, late at night,
the firing stopped.
584
00:32:44,733 --> 00:32:46,434
The people inside fled.
585
00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:49,567
Mosaddegh jumped over a
back wall and disappeared.
586
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,834
The house was looted.
They brought out whatever
587
00:32:51,866 --> 00:32:55,367
they could find and some of
Mosaddeghās personal furnishings
588
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,567
were actually for sale on the
street. His refrigerator
589
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,568
was sold to somebody
for about 35 dollars.
590
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:05,468
It was time to deliver
the coup DE grace,
591
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,533
that was the naming of Zahedi.
592
00:33:08,433 --> 00:33:11,034
To head up the coup,
the CIA had chosen
593
00:33:11,066 --> 00:33:15,066
Fazlollah Zahedi who had a
reputation for ruthlessness.
594
00:33:15,467 --> 00:33:19,335
General Zahedi had spent WWII
in a British internment camp
595
00:33:19,367 --> 00:33:22,701
due to his connections
to Nazi agents.
596
00:33:23,634 --> 00:33:27,335
Now General Zahedi was in
the custody, essentially,
597
00:33:27,367 --> 00:33:30,934
of Kermit Roosevelt. Roosevelt
had stashed him at a safe house
598
00:33:30,966 --> 00:33:33,333
near the American Embassy.
599
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,067
So he arrived there to tell
him, "everything's worked out,
600
00:33:37,133 --> 00:33:39,900
it's all set, you're gonna
be the Prime Minister."
601
00:33:39,933 --> 00:33:41,901
The guy was just sitting
there in his underwear
602
00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:44,933
waiting for news. Zahedi was
brought out onto the streets
603
00:33:44,966 --> 00:33:49,333
and rode aboard a tank through
the streets of Tehran
604
00:33:49,367 --> 00:33:52,500
to the radio station where
he was to make his statement
605
00:33:52,534 --> 00:33:55,101
announcing that Mosaddegh
was overthrown
606
00:33:55,133 --> 00:33:57,467
and, "I'm now your
new Prime Minister."
607
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:01,034
It was quite a festive event
although there was one hitch.
608
00:34:01,066 --> 00:34:04,300
As he was about to
make his radio speech
609
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,366
the radio announcers decided
we need some marshal music
610
00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:11,533
to show that Iranian patriotism
has finally triumphed.
611
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,601
So he went running off,
according to this account,
612
00:34:14,634 --> 00:34:19,968
to the Embassy library,
pulled the first, you know,
613
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,901
record album that he
could find off the shelf
614
00:34:22,933 --> 00:34:25,700
and immediately put this
record on the turntable
615
00:34:25,733 --> 00:34:28,167
and the very first
song that came out
616
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,567
was The Star-Spangled Banner.
617
00:34:32,433 --> 00:34:34,934
So this was another
kind of wink of history
618
00:34:34,966 --> 00:34:37,233
maybe since it actually
was the Americans
619
00:34:37,267 --> 00:34:39,834
who were coming to power.
That was quickly changed.
620
00:34:39,866 --> 00:34:43,100
Iranian music was put on.
Zahedi made his speech,
621
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:46,300
announced that the evil
Mosaddegh was gone
622
00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:49,400
and, "I will now take over and
restore Iran's greatness."
623
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:54,567
The Shah was sitting at
lunch in a hotel in Rome,
624
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,367
probably thinking to himself
what he was gonna do now.
625
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,667
He had already told people he
would have to look for work
626
00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:03,567
because he wasn't gonna be
able to go back to Iran.
627
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Suddenly some news reporters
burst in and handed him
628
00:35:07,634 --> 00:35:09,868
the news and they
said, "you're back.
629
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,200
The coup... there was another
coup... it succeeded.
630
00:35:12,233 --> 00:35:14,633
You're back on, you're
gonna be the king."
631
00:35:14,699 --> 00:35:17,333
He was in complete shock
and, for some time,
632
00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:22,168
couldn't speak at all.
Finally, his first words were
633
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,233
"I knew it, they love me."
634
00:35:26,433 --> 00:35:28,833
Back at the US Embassy,
the champagne flowed
635
00:35:28,866 --> 00:35:30,467
as jubilation reigned.
636
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:32,368
The message the Dulles
brothers took away
637
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,433
was that they had a whole new
way to shape world events.
638
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:38,600
After the coup several hundred
military officers were arrested,
639
00:35:38,699 --> 00:35:40,667
about 60 were executed.
640
00:35:40,699 --> 00:35:44,033
There was a purge of all
officers who were deemed loyal
641
00:35:44,066 --> 00:35:46,266
to the democratic government
642
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,934
and not loyal to
Zahedi or the Shah.
643
00:35:48,966 --> 00:35:51,567
It was a way of cleansing the
army and doing something
644
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,334
that Mosaddegh had refused
to do, which is build
645
00:35:54,367 --> 00:35:58,235
an army loyal to the people
in power at that moment.
646
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,834
For his part in the
coup, Zahedi was paid
647
00:36:01,866 --> 00:36:04,300
5 million dollars by the CIA.
648
00:36:04,933 --> 00:36:07,400
The oil industry was
denationalized.
649
00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,866
An international
consortium was formed with
650
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,734
40 percent of the shares now
going to American companies.
651
00:36:14,699 --> 00:36:18,133
Profits were split with
Iran on a 50/50 basis.
652
00:36:18,167 --> 00:36:21,068
But the British effectively
retained overall control,
653
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:25,467
and its oil company renamed
itself British Petroleum.
654
00:36:29,666 --> 00:36:32,433
Three months after the
coup, Mosaddegh was tried
655
00:36:32,467 --> 00:36:35,834
in a military court on
trumped-up chargers of treason.
656
00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:40,034
His fiery defense
electrified the courtroom
657
00:36:40,066 --> 00:36:42,533
and is still remembered today.
658
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:45,167
[applause]
659
00:39:15,666 --> 00:39:19,066
Well the McCarthy era was a
dark time in the United States.
660
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:23,434
This was from about 1950 to
'54 thereabouts when McCarthy
661
00:39:23,467 --> 00:39:27,867
was on the scene and
he both was created by
662
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:31,967
and came to symbolize this
period of absolute fear
663
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,067
of communism, excessive fear,
hysteria, as it's often called.
664
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,500
I intend to go into those States
and give the American people
665
00:39:41,534 --> 00:39:46,368
the cold documented picture
of the sell-out in Korea,
666
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,800
the extent to which communism
has been directing
667
00:39:49,833 --> 00:39:54,167
our foreign policy, our suicidal
foreign policy if you please.
668
00:39:54,367 --> 00:40:01,534
It was a time that created
pressures against different
669
00:40:01,567 --> 00:40:04,734
American administrations,
presidential administrations,
670
00:40:04,766 --> 00:40:08,066
to move their policies to the
right. John Foster Dulles
671
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:12,701
was one of the big proponents
of rollback of communism
672
00:40:12,766 --> 00:40:16,333
under the Eisenhower
administration. He had been,
673
00:40:16,367 --> 00:40:21,134
for a long time, an outspoken
critic of Truman's policies,
674
00:40:21,167 --> 00:40:25,035
about the fears of the United
States being soft on communism
675
00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:30,700
and he is known for being a
vocal advocate of pushing back
676
00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:34,434
hard against the communists.
He later admitted that
677
00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:37,068
he tended to
exaggerate the threat,
678
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:39,601
purely because it served
certain interests.
679
00:40:39,666 --> 00:40:42,400
I think the conclusion that
the Soviets didn't have
680
00:40:42,433 --> 00:40:47,267
any real implementable,
executable designs on Iran
681
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:51,567
in '52, '53, '54, I think it's
a pretty sound conclusion
682
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,568
but on the other side of that
coin an even sounder conclusion
683
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:01,000
I think is that, at this time,
the so-called communists,
684
00:41:01,033 --> 00:41:05,100
the Tutor, in Iran
was indisposed
685
00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:07,300
to be a lackey of
the Soviet Union.
686
00:41:07,333 --> 00:41:10,733
Basically they were
an indigenous group,
687
00:41:10,766 --> 00:41:14,267
not a common turn group, not
a group that was recruited
688
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,467
and funded and marshaled in
Moscow and sent to Iran.
689
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,967
The ideas of communism were
certainly very much opposed
690
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,701
to Mosaddeghās idea.
691
00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:25,766
You could speculate on
whether circumstances might
692
00:41:25,799 --> 00:41:27,966
have changed over time
and communist influence
693
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,300
might have grown there.
694
00:41:29,367 --> 00:41:32,500
The question of communism
threat is often used
695
00:41:32,534 --> 00:41:35,667
as a rhetorical
when it's useful.
696
00:41:35,866 --> 00:41:41,133
So in the early part, when the
oil crisis starts, the Americans
697
00:41:41,167 --> 00:41:46,334
keep pressuring the British to
actually deal with Mosaddegh
698
00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:50,767
and the Americans say to the
British"if you don't deal,
699
00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:53,966
Mosaddegh will be overthrown
and the communists move in"
700
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,133
and the British
pooh-poohs this and say
701
00:41:56,167 --> 00:41:58,300
"there's absolutely
no danger of that.
702
00:41:58,333 --> 00:42:01,134
We can pressure Mosaddegh
as much as we want,
703
00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:05,234
there's no communist threat."
Later on you find the British
704
00:42:05,267 --> 00:42:08,601
then say: "we have to get
rid of Mosaddegh to stop
705
00:42:08,634 --> 00:42:13,034
the communist guy" and then
people like Acheson are then
706
00:42:13,066 --> 00:42:16,800
repeating the earlier British
pooh-poohing that really
707
00:42:16,833 --> 00:42:21,667
there's no real danger of a
communist takeover. At the time,
708
00:42:21,699 --> 00:42:25,633
of course, you can say the
discourse in the West
709
00:42:25,666 --> 00:42:28,500
was the communist danger. So
if you want to get anything
710
00:42:28,534 --> 00:42:31,435
done you say that. Nowadays
you can say the discourse
711
00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:36,534
is international terrorism and
you can justify anything.
712
00:42:37,033 --> 00:42:41,133
But even the Dulles brothers'
view that this country
713
00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:43,668
was very susceptible
to communist takeover
714
00:42:43,699 --> 00:42:46,300
is something that they
developed themselves
715
00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:49,767
and is quite dubious from
historical perspective.
716
00:42:49,966 --> 00:42:54,633
The distortion we usually get
in the conventional view
717
00:42:54,666 --> 00:42:57,634
of the coup is that it's
part of the Cold War;
718
00:42:57,666 --> 00:43:02,600
it's the US/USSR rivalry that
leaves the CIA to carry out
719
00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:07,567
the coup. I would argue that
the coup's really rooted
720
00:43:07,634 --> 00:43:13,335
in the oil crisis, when Iran
nationalized the oil company.
721
00:43:13,733 --> 00:43:17,267
This wasn't just a threat to
the British; it was as much
722
00:43:17,333 --> 00:43:20,600
a threat actually to all the
Western companies including
723
00:43:20,634 --> 00:43:23,301
the American companies
because the same thing
724
00:43:23,333 --> 00:43:26,433
could happen to American
companies in the Middle East
725
00:43:26,467 --> 00:43:28,368
or South America.
726
00:43:32,233 --> 00:43:40,266
The summer of 1953 was a
turbulent time and of course
727
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,834
very threatening and
dangerous for Mosaddegh.
728
00:43:43,866 --> 00:43:48,834
Mosaddeghās house should
have been sacrosanct.
729
00:43:48,866 --> 00:43:53,433
It was not and the
mob went after it.
730
00:43:53,467 --> 00:43:58,500
I was horrified by the
bloodletting in the streets.
731
00:43:58,534 --> 00:44:02,734
There were tanks attacking
the house, there was a lot
732
00:44:02,766 --> 00:44:09,300
of killing then. 300 people
died in that couple of hours.
733
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,167
I interviewed the Shah amongst
a group of reporters there;
734
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,600
me and people from United
Press and he just was kind
735
00:44:18,634 --> 00:44:22,602
of bubbling over with glee
at having been saved.
736
00:44:22,866 --> 00:44:29,200
I met Kermit Roosevelt for the
first time after the coup.
737
00:44:29,267 --> 00:44:33,300
I had several discussions
with him later about
738
00:44:33,367 --> 00:44:37,068
"do you really think now
that was a good idea?"
739
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,367
and he said, "oh yes, it
gave us another 20 years
740
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,667
or something like that." It
was the most reactionary,
741
00:44:46,699 --> 00:44:51,400
he was obeying
orders Kermit was.
742
00:44:51,433 --> 00:44:58,034
I think he truly
believed in his mission.
743
00:44:58,066 --> 00:45:01,800
- The '53 coup is like
a guillotine in Iran,
744
00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:05,200
it inaugurated a
massive repression
745
00:45:05,233 --> 00:45:09,233
and it changed the landscape
so the political situation,
746
00:45:09,267 --> 00:45:14,034
besides being more repressive,
secular organizations
747
00:45:14,066 --> 00:45:19,400
like the National
Front, the Etude Party,
748
00:45:19,433 --> 00:45:25,067
were in fact disassembled,
they've dismantled.
749
00:45:25,666 --> 00:45:28,167
They couldn't
function after '53.
750
00:45:28,866 --> 00:45:33,467
The '53 coup was clearly a
big success for the CIA
751
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:38,567
as they saw it at the time and
it fit perfectly with the ideas
752
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,767
of President Eisenhower, the
Dulles brothers and others
753
00:45:41,799 --> 00:45:43,899
who thought that
covert operations
754
00:45:43,933 --> 00:45:48,133
was a very powerful tool
in US foreign policy
755
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,134
and it clearly served as
a model or, you know,
756
00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,768
provided lessons for
future operations,
757
00:45:55,833 --> 00:45:58,966
including the following year,
in 1954, in Guatemala.
758
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,734
At the time this coup
seemed like a great success
759
00:46:02,866 --> 00:46:06,100
but let's look back at it from
the perspective of history,
760
00:46:06,167 --> 00:46:07,734
from the perspective of today.
761
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:12,300
The Shah ruled for 25 years,
with increasing repression
762
00:46:12,733 --> 00:46:16,267
His repression produced the
explosion of the late 1970's,
763
00:46:16,966 --> 00:46:19,533
what we call the
Islamic revolution.
764
00:46:19,567 --> 00:46:23,535
That revolution brought
to power a clerk
765
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,101
of fanatically
anti-American Mulls,
766
00:46:27,233 --> 00:46:29,633
who had spent the
next quarter century,
767
00:46:29,866 --> 00:46:32,100
vigorously and sometimes
very violently,
768
00:46:32,167 --> 00:46:35,467
trying to undermine western
power all over the world.
769
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,367
So from the perspective
of history, this
770
00:46:39,433 --> 00:46:43,401
coup doesn't quite so
successful at all.
771
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:48,101
A lot of history came out
of three weeks in Tehran,
772
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,667
in the summer of 1953.
773
00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:51,167
These people remember this,
774
00:46:51,233 --> 00:46:55,667
even if it's not something that
necessarily happened yesterday,
775
00:46:55,699 --> 00:46:59,066
you have to remember, Iran is a
country with very long history.
776
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:05,133
It is a culture that is very
much dependent on people,
777
00:47:05,233 --> 00:47:07,167
understanding and
knowing it's history.
778
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:09,400
So something that happened
50 or 60 years ago,
779
00:47:09,467 --> 00:47:11,968
is not that very far
back for a country
780
00:47:12,033 --> 00:47:14,667
who's history
stretches 3000 years.
781
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,100
What's interesting about 53,
782
00:47:18,233 --> 00:47:21,934
that is the episode,
that is the time
783
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,801
in which America in
the Iranian mindsets,
784
00:47:26,066 --> 00:47:29,533
becomes a violator,
becomes an aggressor.
785
00:47:29,634 --> 00:47:31,101
Prior to that,
786
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:34,333
the view of Americans
and the view of America
787
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,767
amongst Iranian public, was
an extremely positive one
788
00:47:38,066 --> 00:47:42,600
and well deserving so because
America was correctly viewed
789
00:47:42,699 --> 00:47:48,333
as an anti colonial power,
who opposed colonization,
790
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,433
who itself had fought a war
of independence against who,
791
00:47:53,133 --> 00:47:54,634
Great Britain.
792
00:47:54,900 --> 00:48:01,734
[music]
793
00:48:02,066 --> 00:48:05,300
You know we in the United
States have short memories,
794
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,667
people in the Middle
East never forget and I
795
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:12,133
think there is a political truth
to that and the Iranian people
796
00:48:12,233 --> 00:48:14,034
I believe know all about it but
797
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,634
the average American doesn't
have the vaguest idea
798
00:48:16,734 --> 00:48:20,501
that we interfered with
an elected government.
799
00:48:20,868 --> 00:48:24,335
What bothers me so much, is that
the American people believe that
800
00:48:24,433 --> 00:48:25,934
we can do no harm,
801
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,334
that we are willing to
go to war, start a war
802
00:48:29,433 --> 00:48:34,367
to promote democracy with
force, at the same time,
803
00:48:34,433 --> 00:48:37,234
sometimes when there's a leader
in a country that's been elected
804
00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:39,201
even in recent years.
805
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:40,901
elected leaders in
the middle east,
806
00:48:41,133 --> 00:48:43,200
we don't like them, we
don't support them.
807
00:48:43,634 --> 00:48:47,801
What CIA for many years has
warned about blow back
808
00:48:48,066 --> 00:48:51,266
I know that when I brought that
term up in the presidential
809
00:48:51,333 --> 00:48:55,366
debate, it wasn't my term and I
referenced it to it haven't been
810
00:48:55,433 --> 00:48:58,934
established by the CIA, because
they knew and understood this
811
00:48:59,033 --> 00:49:03,033
that they can come back on us,
it was an unintended consequence
812
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,034
We should know what
went on in 1953,
813
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,801
what happened with
the coup there
814
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:08,200
but I think that
815
00:49:08,267 --> 00:49:11,235
the goal of all individuals
ot to be to know the truth
816
00:49:11,367 --> 00:49:13,834
The truth about our history
and not to hide from us
817
00:49:13,933 --> 00:49:17,133
and when history is
distorted, I think we
818
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,034
just continue to make mistakes.
819
00:49:19,133 --> 00:49:21,834
So history is helpful if
we're honest with ourselves.
820
00:49:21,933 --> 00:49:23,300
I think that's the
most important thing
821
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,134
for any country or any people,
is to be honest with ourselves
822
00:49:27,467 --> 00:49:31,801
because when your own government
does harm and you ignore it,
823
00:49:32,033 --> 00:49:34,534
or pretended it never
existed or defend it
824
00:49:34,634 --> 00:49:37,101
for the wrong reasons,
it's very detrimental.
825
00:49:37,733 --> 00:49:39,267
If the United States
826
00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,934
had not overthrown the
Mosaddegh government
827
00:49:42,066 --> 00:49:44,300
it's at least conceivable
that democracy
828
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,867
would've continued to thrive and
consolidate itself in Iran.
829
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,300
We might have had a
stable democracy
830
00:49:52,367 --> 00:49:57,901
in the heart of the Muslim
middle east, all these 50 years.
831
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,868
I can hardly wrap my mind
around how different
832
00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:04,167
the middle east might look
today, had that been the case.
833
00:50:04,799 --> 00:50:26,866
[music]
834
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,767
The idea that
835
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,801
it is necessary nefarious,
it's always engaged in
836
00:50:32,866 --> 00:50:34,467
overthrowing governments,
that's false.
837
00:50:34,634 --> 00:50:35,968
Asides from the birds.
838
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:38,200
The government of
Mosaddegh if you recall
839
00:50:38,267 --> 00:50:40,768
His was over thrown by
the accident, the Shah.
840
00:50:40,866 --> 00:50:42,433
As far a I know,
we don't engage in
841
00:50:42,534 --> 00:50:45,168
assassinations and kidnappings
and things of that kind.
842
00:50:45,666 --> 00:50:47,634
As far as I know, we never have.
843
00:50:49,167 --> 00:50:52,567
I hope I have a reasonable
moral standard.
844
00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:57,634
Well the Iranians were
organizing themselves
845
00:50:58,467 --> 00:51:03,634
and really all they needed was
support and to some extent
846
00:51:03,766 --> 00:51:05,066
professional guidance.
847
00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:13,501
It was my feeling then,
that remains my feeling
848
00:51:13,799 --> 00:51:15,533
that the British
understood the extent
849
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,600
of paranoia in this country
concerning communism
850
00:51:20,666 --> 00:51:22,833
this was the day
of Joel McCarthy
851
00:51:22,933 --> 00:51:26,933
and the British consciously
played on that fear in order to
852
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,934
help persuade us, to involve
ourselves in the coup.
853
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,434
What we did from Washington, was
to write some of the articles
854
00:51:34,534 --> 00:51:36,435
that would appear on
the Persian press
855
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:40,968
and these articles would appear
thanks to the Dravidianās
856
00:51:41,066 --> 00:51:42,466
who had contacts I believe
857
00:51:42,534 --> 00:51:45,634
with probably 4/5 of
the Iranian press
858
00:51:46,033 --> 00:51:47,834
and they were designed
to show most of that
859
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:52,667
as a communist collaborator
and as a fanatic, as a person
860
00:51:52,733 --> 00:51:56,100
who didn't understand
that you could be
861
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,200
both nationalistic and positive.
862
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,633
These two agents
863
00:51:59,699 --> 00:52:04,200
saw the opportunity, and
sent the people we had
864
00:52:04,267 --> 00:52:06,534
under our control,
into the streets
865
00:52:06,634 --> 00:52:08,834
and acted as if they were today.
866
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:12,367
They were provocateurs.
We had more than just
867
00:52:12,467 --> 00:52:14,068
provocateurs we had a
lot of shot troops
868
00:52:14,133 --> 00:52:16,300
who actually acted as if
they were two dead people
869
00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:20,467
throwing rocks at
mosques, at priests.
870
00:52:20,567 --> 00:52:23,934
That mob that came into north
Tehran and was decisive in the
871
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,801
overthrow was a mercenary
mob, had no ideology
872
00:52:27,866 --> 00:52:31,300
and that mob was paid
for by American dollars
873
00:52:31,634 --> 00:52:34,368
and the amount of
money that was used
874
00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:36,634
it has to have been very large.
875
00:52:38,033 --> 00:52:41,400
The CIA prepared a report on how
the coup had be carried out.
876
00:52:42,433 --> 00:52:45,466
It would serve as a guide for
conducting coups in the future
877
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,934
bu the report left
out key details.
878
00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:52,667
But even if we saw
the full report,
879
00:52:52,799 --> 00:52:54,066
there were certain things
880
00:52:54,167 --> 00:52:58,300
the author Donald Wilbert
wouldn't have put in there
881
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,700
because it wouldn't have been
caution to put those in.
882
00:53:01,799 --> 00:53:05,400
Things such as the CIA
working very closely
883
00:53:05,467 --> 00:53:07,600
with the Iranian Nazi party.
884
00:53:07,699 --> 00:53:10,832
That wouldn't have gone very
well down in Washington.
885
00:53:10,966 --> 00:53:14,033
He also doesn't
deal with actually
886
00:53:14,933 --> 00:53:16,667
questions of assassination
887
00:53:16,733 --> 00:53:21,467
which I suspect the MI6 and
the CIA were involved.
888
00:53:21,601 --> 00:53:24,935
So that sort of sanitized
out of the report.
889
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,033
I think that in the 53 coup,
the CIA was much more involved
890
00:53:29,133 --> 00:53:30,667
in the actual
mechanics in of coup
891
00:53:30,733 --> 00:53:32,900
that in other places
like Guatemala
892
00:53:32,966 --> 00:53:35,733
or Indonesia and places
893
00:53:36,333 --> 00:53:40,100
So there's much more very
incriminating information
894
00:53:40,333 --> 00:53:45,201
and that's why the CIA has
been very reluctant to
895
00:53:45,267 --> 00:53:46,367
release the stuff.
896
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,567
Well I remember the start of the
CIA from when I was in college
897
00:53:50,634 --> 00:53:55,535
it had just been recently
started, 1947 after the war.
898
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,767
The main purpose of
course was so there
899
00:53:58,866 --> 00:54:00,899
would never be
another pearl harbor
900
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,034
When there were little
snippets of information around
901
00:54:04,133 --> 00:54:07,467
and nobody to, these days we
would say connect the dots.
902
00:54:07,534 --> 00:54:09,435
There was no one
central place where
903
00:54:09,501 --> 00:54:11,235
all this information together
904
00:54:11,334 --> 00:54:13,634
and so Harry Truman was
hell-bent and determined that
905
00:54:13,699 --> 00:54:16,033
would never happen again, there
would be one central place which
906
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:18,068
would be possessed of
all the information
907
00:54:18,133 --> 00:54:21,500
available on a given
country or situation.
908
00:54:22,534 --> 00:54:24,201
He was equally determined
909
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,268
to have it one place
where he could go
910
00:54:26,333 --> 00:54:31,067
and say look, Mr.Director I
want to know what you and those
911
00:54:31,367 --> 00:54:33,567
two universities worth of
912
00:54:33,634 --> 00:54:35,135
specialists out
there in the woods
913
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,001
in Virginia. I want to know
what you really think.
914
00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,700
I don't care what the State
department is saying
915
00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:44,533
or the pentagon. The pentagon
is telling me that the Russians
916
00:54:44,567 --> 00:54:46,667
are 10ft tall. I know
they're not 10 ft tall.
917
00:54:46,766 --> 00:54:49,000
They may not be 5'9ft
like you're saying,
918
00:54:49,066 --> 00:54:50,867
but I want to know
what you think okay
919
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,033
No, speak to me in truth.
And man,
920
00:54:57,534 --> 00:54:59,502
it was clear that that's
what Truman Intended
921
00:54:59,966 --> 00:55:03,999
What we got instead, was an
apparatus that seemed revel
922
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,400
in covert operations,
Clandestine operations
923
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:09,368
spend billions of
tax payer dollars
924
00:55:09,434 --> 00:55:12,335
for those operations
in total secrecy
925
00:55:12,367 --> 00:55:15,734
and expend blood and treasure
in those operations,
926
00:55:15,799 --> 00:55:18,266
often times failing,
in total secrecy.
927
00:55:18,666 --> 00:55:20,966
He wrote a not bad, I
have a copy of it here.
928
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,434
Not bad in the Washington Post
929
00:55:23,534 --> 00:55:29,001
December 22, 1963. As he
watched these things happen
930
00:55:29,066 --> 00:55:32,099
you know, he watched Iran and
he watched Guatemala and he saw
931
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,267
governments toppled and he
said hey man, hey time out
932
00:55:36,367 --> 00:55:38,068
That's not what I intended here.
933
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,168
It says he simply
does not recognize
934
00:55:40,233 --> 00:55:43,000
the entity that he
helped create in 1947
935
00:55:43,066 --> 00:55:47,967
in the CIA and clearly
his angst is about the
936
00:55:48,033 --> 00:55:50,600
covert operations
aspect of the CIA.
937
00:55:50,766 --> 00:55:54,866
and he sees it as a danger to
the integrity and the health
938
00:55:54,966 --> 00:55:57,033
of our democratic republic.
939
00:55:57,933 --> 00:55:59,467
I have a copy of
this, this thing.
940
00:55:59,699 --> 00:56:01,667
What he says is
this, the title is
941
00:56:01,766 --> 00:56:04,400
Limit CIA Role To Intelligence
942
00:56:04,733 --> 00:56:08,367
Well ya, hello. That's what it's
supposed to be all about right?
943
00:56:08,433 --> 00:56:09,267
Okay.
944
00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:13,368
Quote, I never thought that
when I set up the CIA,
945
00:56:13,434 --> 00:56:16,101
it would be injected
into peacetime
946
00:56:16,167 --> 00:56:18,035
cloak and dagger operations.
947
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,367
Now there are some
searching questions
948
00:56:20,433 --> 00:56:22,334
that need to be answered.
949
00:56:22,433 --> 00:56:25,633
I, therefore, would like
to see the CIA restored to
950
00:56:25,733 --> 00:56:28,200
it's original assignment
as the intelligence arm of
951
00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:31,333
the President, and that
whatever else it can properly
952
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,567
perform in that special field
953
00:56:33,634 --> 00:56:35,968
and that its
operational duties be
954
00:56:36,033 --> 00:56:39,367
terminated or properly
used elsewhere
955
00:56:39,467 --> 00:56:42,068
Well, you were right about
a lot of things Harry.
956
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,901
you're dead right about that.
957
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,000
Truman ended his stinging
rebuke of the CIA,
958
00:56:47,066 --> 00:56:48,199
by writing that "The agency
959
00:56:48,267 --> 00:56:50,400
is casting a shadow
over our historic
960
00:56:50,467 --> 00:56:53,368
position and I feel that
we need to correct it."
961
00:56:53,766 --> 00:56:56,333
Of course the Brits came over,
as for our help, Allen Dulles
962
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,433
and yes that would be great
covert action authorized by
963
00:56:58,534 --> 00:57:03,734
the President and so they went
in and they overthrew Mosaddegh,
964
00:57:03,833 --> 00:57:08,500
They threw him out okay, now
that's where history begins,
965
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,501
recent history for Iranians
and Americans don't have
966
00:57:12,567 --> 00:57:17,501
any idea that there is this
very legitimate grievance.
967
00:57:17,567 --> 00:57:19,734
and what came in? The Shah.
968
00:57:19,833 --> 00:57:24,200
What he did was bring in the
most brutal secret police,
969
00:57:24,267 --> 00:57:28,101
bunch of torturers, second to
none, even the German Gestapo.
970
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:30,001
They were called Saks.
971
00:57:39,733 --> 00:57:41,601
With the help of American
aid and training,
972
00:57:41,733 --> 00:57:46,967
Savak was created in 1957, it's
name alone would come to strike
973
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,467
fear in the hearts and
minds of Iranās citizens.
974
00:57:53,467 --> 00:57:57,034
Well the Savak becomes
essentially the secret police
975
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:58,667
for the Shah and
976
00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:01,167
their training and education
and their mode to
977
00:58:01,233 --> 00:58:05,700
stop Iranians so forth are
more or less given to them
978
00:58:05,866 --> 00:58:10,400
by the CIA person personnel who
are, as far as I can tell,
979
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:13,434
are also some military involved
in this. The CIA and the
980
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:16,500
military often work
together, a very
981
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,568
insidious relationship
in my view.
982
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:25,834
The 53 coup deprived the regime
that ruled in Iran of legitimacy
983
00:58:26,233 --> 00:58:31,300
and the overwhelming majority
of the people, even many of the
984
00:58:31,367 --> 00:58:33,268
people of were working
for the regime.
985
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,900
They previewed the regime as
dependent on the United States,
986
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,168
as fundamentally born
of a sinful act.
987
00:58:41,866 --> 00:58:46,667
What Savak becomes for the
Shah, is secret police do and
988
00:58:46,733 --> 00:58:50,000
many of these more autocratic
societies, particularly when
989
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:52,901
they're becoming more and more
autocratic as the Shah was,
990
00:58:53,167 --> 00:58:58,068
is it takes care of all of it's
oppositions, either arrest them
991
00:58:58,167 --> 00:59:02,934
and spirits them away to sites
unknown, for purposes unknown,
992
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,567
never to be contacted again,
buries them in the desert,
993
00:59:06,634 --> 00:59:08,901
or whatever but it becomes the
994
00:59:08,966 --> 00:59:12,966
Shah's way of dealing with
residence and dealing with it
995
00:59:13,066 --> 00:59:16,667
in a very draconian harsh way
and of course this just breeds
996
00:59:16,766 --> 00:59:19,799
more and more discontent amongst
the populous in Iran and makes
997
00:59:19,866 --> 00:59:21,899
him look more and more
the tyrant rather than
998
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,534
the beloved leader that he
always wanted to be seen as.
999
00:59:25,933 --> 00:59:28,801
Under the Shah was unimaginable,
1000
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:30,900
that anybody would say anything
1001
00:59:30,966 --> 00:59:35,366
critical within the political
word, against anybody,
1002
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,934
absolutely not.
1003
00:59:37,966 --> 00:59:41,934
So it was a combination of not
that Savak was all pervasive
1004
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:43,233
or powerful
1005
00:59:43,433 --> 00:59:48,733
but the physiological
perimeterās of the Savak
1006
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:50,134
and the political order
1007
00:59:50,367 --> 00:59:53,434
had created a situation
that we were all
1008
00:59:53,699 --> 00:59:55,933
conscious and fearful of Savak.
1009
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,767
So the aura was created that
the Savak is everywhere
1010
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:02,933
and it contributed to
1011
01:00:03,167 --> 01:00:05,634
the terrorization and
internalization of
1012
01:00:05,733 --> 01:00:08,100
that terror in the
society and the arch.
1013
01:00:08,367 --> 01:00:11,168
and I made so many trips
to Savakās office
1014
01:00:11,534 --> 01:00:12,667
answering questions
1015
01:00:12,733 --> 01:00:15,033
and just, sometimes
they take you in
1016
01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:19,067
and you sit there for 5
hours and nobody comes out
1017
01:00:20,033 --> 01:00:22,567
and there are a number of other
people sitting in the room
1018
01:00:22,634 --> 01:00:24,335
you're too fearful to
say a word because
1019
01:00:24,367 --> 01:00:26,567
you don't know who they are.
1020
01:00:26,634 --> 01:00:27,701
So I did experience,
1021
01:00:27,799 --> 01:00:30,767
it was the very beginning,
it became far more viscous
1022
01:00:30,966 --> 01:00:34,667
as time went on because it was
the beginning of its formation
1023
01:00:34,701 --> 01:00:37,468
when I was still in Iran.
1024
01:00:37,833 --> 01:00:43,966
Several of our students you
know, got refuge on the roofs
1025
01:00:44,534 --> 01:00:46,734
the fifth floor, the sixth
floor, they threw them away
1026
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:49,466
just threw them like
garbage, down and many
1027
01:00:49,534 --> 01:00:54,601
people got killed that way, many
people had broken legs or arms.
1028
01:00:55,567 --> 01:00:58,368
Being in the center of this
torture chambers hearing all
1029
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,034
of these cries and screams
coming everywhere.
1030
01:01:01,133 --> 01:01:05,001
I mean, I couldn't sleep for
a minute, yet 24 hours.
1031
01:01:06,033 --> 01:01:08,200
because of this you
are in solitary
1032
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:12,801
and this guy is screaming kill
me! Don't do that, just kill me!
1033
01:01:14,033 --> 01:01:17,934
I mean screams all over, you
feel like you are there
1034
01:01:18,066 --> 01:01:20,967
and they handcuffed me this way
1035
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,367
there was this hook
and they could
1036
01:01:24,467 --> 01:01:28,435
raise it so I could be kind
of hanged from my hands
1037
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:29,500
and the pain
1038
01:01:29,634 --> 01:01:43,968
[inaudible dialogue]
1039
01:01:44,033 --> 01:01:47,166
and death would be, I
mean just a relief.
1040
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,134
This is difficult for
you to talk about
1041
01:01:50,534 --> 01:01:52,135
it's a horrible experience.
1042
01:01:53,433 --> 01:01:55,067
You don't have to if
you donāt want to.
1043
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:58,799
I have a duty to
say these things
1044
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:01,334
for American people to know
1045
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,900
what it was like under the Shah.
1046
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:09,333
The main reason that the Savak
and the Shah was sent packing
1047
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,633
was because ever other
family in Iran knew somebody
1048
01:02:12,699 --> 01:02:15,233
or had one of the members
of their family tortured
1049
01:02:15,567 --> 01:02:17,468
That's what torture
brings you okay.
1050
01:02:17,866 --> 01:02:40,834
[music]
1051
01:02:41,467 --> 01:02:45,034
After 25 years of increasingly
despotic by the Shah
1052
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:48,001
millions of Iranians
took to the streets
1053
01:02:48,167 --> 01:02:51,501
in what would become known
as The Islamic Revolution.
1054
01:02:52,567 --> 01:02:55,934
The Shah fled the country
in January of 1979.
1055
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,899
Later that year,
Iranian students
1056
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,601
overran the US embassy in Tehran
1057
01:03:01,766 --> 01:03:04,667
when the Shah was allowed
to enter the United States.
1058
01:03:04,766 --> 01:03:10,467
[crowd chanting]
1059
01:03:10,534 --> 01:03:12,768
The man who called me was
a man by the name of
1060
01:03:12,866 --> 01:03:17,400
Frank Re dice who as on
the desk that Sunday
1061
01:03:17,699 --> 01:03:20,699
and he told me that
1062
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,200
a number of
1063
01:03:24,066 --> 01:03:26,800
student demonstrators
had broken into
1064
01:03:26,866 --> 01:03:29,633
the US embassy and
apparently had
1065
01:03:29,699 --> 01:03:32,633
taken some American
diplomats hostage
1066
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:35,467
and he wanted me to come
in the state department
1067
01:03:35,534 --> 01:03:39,135
I was then the senior diplomatic
correspondent for ABC
1068
01:03:39,833 --> 01:03:42,434
to do a piece on it for
that evenings news
1069
01:03:43,033 --> 01:03:46,467
and it was Sunday and I
didn't want to come in
1070
01:03:46,766 --> 01:03:49,966
and I told him I didn't
think this thing would last
1071
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,967
more than an hour or two
1072
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,368
as I said like this
things going to die.
1073
01:03:54,433 --> 01:03:56,267
I mean it's not going to last.
1074
01:03:56,567 --> 01:04:00,268
But regrettably every
single day in Iran
1075
01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:02,201
was a noninvasive day.
1076
01:04:02,267 --> 01:04:07,168
Ultimately the hostages
were held for 440 days.
1077
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:11,801
They appointed me as
ambassador to the UN
1078
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:15,067
in order to facilitate
this agreement.
1079
01:04:15,333 --> 01:04:20,767
The group of us were throwing
out names for this new program
1080
01:04:21,267 --> 01:04:22,768
and Dick Wald said
1081
01:04:22,866 --> 01:04:25,734
you know in racing,
horse raising
1082
01:04:26,267 --> 01:04:28,868
there is something
called The Morning Line
1083
01:04:29,233 --> 01:04:31,800
since this program is
going at 11:30 at night
1084
01:04:31,866 --> 01:04:34,133
why donāt we call
it the Night Line.
1085
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:37,433
and I said that the
dumbest I've ever heard
1086
01:04:37,534 --> 01:04:39,968
I think that's a really
stupid title for a program
1087
01:04:40,233 --> 01:04:41,467
I left Tehran
1088
01:04:41,634 --> 01:04:43,667
with the hope that I'm
coming to the United
1089
01:04:43,766 --> 01:04:45,866
States going to the
security council
1090
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:48,001
doing everything we could
1091
01:04:48,866 --> 01:04:51,899
to expedite the
release of hostages.
1092
01:04:52,699 --> 01:04:55,266
I met Jimmy Carter
at the White house
1093
01:04:56,133 --> 01:04:58,400
and he joked that the two people
1094
01:04:58,467 --> 01:05:02,268
who had benefited most
from the hostage take
1095
01:05:02,367 --> 01:05:05,001
and were first the guy
Ayatollah Khomeini
1096
01:05:05,133 --> 01:05:06,734
and second, me.
1097
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,199
I didn't want to be the
ambassador of a country
1098
01:05:09,267 --> 01:05:10,601
that had taken hostages.
1099
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:15,199
I accepted the position in order
to resolve the hostage crisis
1100
01:05:15,367 --> 01:05:17,767
and when I came to
realize that the hostage
1101
01:05:17,866 --> 01:05:19,834
crisis is not going
to be resolved
1102
01:05:19,933 --> 01:05:22,966
there was absolutely no
reason for me to stay there
1103
01:05:23,066 --> 01:05:24,400
it would have been absurd
1104
01:05:24,634 --> 01:05:27,101
because I thought the
act was criminal and
1105
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,300
illegal and inhuman in
every sense of the word.
1106
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:34,468
Certainly in the initial
months of America Held Hostage
1107
01:05:34,733 --> 01:05:38,467
I think the title
was hysterical.
1108
01:05:38,534 --> 01:05:40,701
Later turned out to be
1109
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,601
more accurate than it
was at the outset.
1110
01:05:44,833 --> 01:05:49,701
Nightlife and many other
television programs
1111
01:05:49,799 --> 01:05:51,966
and journalists,
they were shocked.
1112
01:05:52,033 --> 01:05:54,800
but the immorality and the
illegality of the act
1113
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:59,634
which was understandable
and yet after 25 years
1114
01:05:59,733 --> 01:06:03,234
of supporting an illegitimate
government, overthrowing
1115
01:06:04,367 --> 01:06:08,500
democratic elected the
prime minister in 1953
1116
01:06:08,699 --> 01:06:10,999
it was the responsibility
of the press
1117
01:06:11,066 --> 01:06:15,199
to gain an understanding
of why it happened
1118
01:06:15,267 --> 01:06:18,267
but at the same time
"" The Nightlife
1119
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:20,734
and other television
programs did not do that
1120
01:06:21,133 --> 01:06:22,734
I forget whether we did that
1121
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:25,733
if we didn't it would have been
a huge oversight, we should've.
1122
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,634
because that clearly was
1123
01:06:29,567 --> 01:06:32,134
that was and is to this day
1124
01:06:33,167 --> 01:06:36,401
you know I mean,
50 whatever it is
1125
01:06:36,699 --> 01:06:38,433
56 years later.
1126
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:42,500
That continues to be
a very sole point
1127
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:44,467
with the Iranian people.
1128
01:06:44,699 --> 01:06:47,400
When they had guests,
or the newspapers
1129
01:06:47,467 --> 01:06:50,368
interviewed various people
in an article you could read
1130
01:06:50,433 --> 01:06:54,034
a sentence or a
phrase about the coup
1131
01:06:54,333 --> 01:06:58,100
but the reader of the article
is not going to end up thinking
1132
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,200
about the connection between
what happened in 1953
1133
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:05,067
and what happened in 1979.
1134
01:07:05,167 --> 01:07:09,534
And if you show just a
little of imagination
1135
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,334
and think how we would
feel if some power
1136
01:07:13,433 --> 01:07:16,267
greater than the United
States had overthrown
1137
01:07:16,334 --> 01:07:17,801
one of our presidents,
1138
01:07:17,934 --> 01:07:24,001
had assisted one of our enemies
in assaulting the homeland of
1139
01:07:24,066 --> 01:07:28,900
the United States, had
supported someone that
1140
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,100
we felt was a pretender
to the White House,
1141
01:07:32,167 --> 01:07:36,234
and giving him all
kinds of weapons
1142
01:07:36,634 --> 01:07:39,335
and overlooked human
rights abusers
1143
01:07:39,433 --> 01:07:42,867
that he and his secret
police inflicted
1144
01:07:42,966 --> 01:07:45,400
on the people of
the United States
1145
01:07:45,733 --> 01:07:48,866
I think we'd feel pretty upset
about that and we would
1146
01:07:48,933 --> 01:07:53,700
probably harbor that grudge
a generation or five.
1147
01:07:54,833 --> 01:07:58,000
The hostage crisis in one
sense was a very simple thing
1148
01:07:58,133 --> 01:07:59,900
I mean you had a
group of students
1149
01:08:00,267 --> 01:08:02,601
who wanted to demonstrate
against the US
1150
01:08:02,666 --> 01:08:04,866
who were unhappy with the
way things were going.
1151
01:08:05,733 --> 01:08:09,234
The role of the Shah was
an important element
1152
01:08:09,467 --> 01:08:11,467
in the evolution of
the events in Tehran
1153
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:12,700
after the revolution.
1154
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,634
What was going to happen to him?
1155
01:08:16,133 --> 01:08:18,934
should we anticipate
that he would
1156
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,033
again be restored to the thrown?
1157
01:08:21,267 --> 01:08:26,467
would we engage ourselves in the
kind of coup we did in 1953
1158
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:28,200
to restore him to the thrown?
1159
01:08:28,333 --> 01:08:30,700
that was the concern among the
part of the revolutionary
1160
01:08:30,766 --> 01:08:35,000
elements in the city of
Tehran at that time, in 1979.
1161
01:08:35,534 --> 01:08:38,701
The Shah had been admitted
back into the United States
1162
01:08:38,900 --> 01:08:42,334
and this was considered
to be the first
1163
01:08:42,433 --> 01:08:44,067
step to returning
him to the thrown
1164
01:08:44,167 --> 01:08:48,434
that was not true but that's the
way people remembering 1953
1165
01:08:48,699 --> 01:08:51,233
they thought this was the first
step in bringing him back.
1166
01:08:51,367 --> 01:08:53,467
to admit him into the United
States in the context
1167
01:08:53,534 --> 01:08:56,035
of the revolutionary afferment
that was abroad in that country
1168
01:08:56,066 --> 01:08:59,366
at that time, in 1979.
1169
01:08:59,766 --> 01:09:00,766
There was something else
1170
01:09:00,966 --> 01:09:03,533
so I said no, let's
not admit him.
1171
01:09:03,966 --> 01:09:07,467
Jimmy Carter was extremely
reluctant to do this
1172
01:09:07,534 --> 01:09:12,035
in fact he was the very last
one of all of his advisers to
1173
01:09:12,267 --> 01:09:17,300
finally agree to do this and in
that final meeting that he had
1174
01:09:17,534 --> 01:09:19,001
where he looked
around the room and
1175
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:21,200
everybody in the
room was telling him
1176
01:09:21,467 --> 01:09:23,134
yes you you've got
to let him in,
1177
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,068
he's dying, you can't reject his
1178
01:09:25,634 --> 01:09:29,734
you can't tell him he can't have
medical treatment and so forth
1179
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:32,033
and he looked around the
room and I said well okay
1180
01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:33,600
he said I hear what
all of you are
1181
01:09:33,666 --> 01:09:34,966
saying but he said I wonder what
1182
01:09:35,066 --> 01:09:36,967
you're all going to
say to me when they
1183
01:09:37,033 --> 01:09:39,133
take our people
hostage in Tehran.
1184
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,034
It was clear that this was
a dangerous thing to do.
1185
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,400
He was admitted
1186
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:46,767
and we paid for it.
1187
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:54,834
[crowd chanting]
1188
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:55,900
The actions of Iran
1189
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,600
have shocked the civilized world
1190
01:10:00,766 --> 01:10:06,367
for a government to applaud
mob violence and terrorism
1191
01:10:07,066 --> 01:10:09,333
for a government
actually to support
1192
01:10:09,799 --> 01:10:11,500
and in effect participate
1193
01:10:11,933 --> 01:10:14,467
in the taking and
holding of hostages
1194
01:10:14,634 --> 01:10:17,667
is unprecedented
in human history.
1195
01:10:17,766 --> 01:10:19,133
They do about sit ins
1196
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:21,901
and they were going to
come in, make their point
1197
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:24,233
they had done it
once before, it had
1198
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:26,067
been done once before
at the embassy
1199
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,767
in February and ended
within 48 hours
1200
01:10:29,834 --> 01:10:31,867
they very much had
the same idea that
1201
01:10:31,933 --> 01:10:33,267
this would be a
short lived thing
1202
01:10:33,333 --> 01:10:36,034
and they were as surprised
as anybody else
1203
01:10:36,133 --> 01:10:39,734
when Khomeini threw his
support to the students
1204
01:10:39,799 --> 01:10:43,832
they didn't come prepared
to stay for 444 days
1205
01:10:44,167 --> 01:10:46,167
and suddenly they
found themselves not
1206
01:10:46,233 --> 01:10:48,734
having a sit in, but
running a prison.
1207
01:10:49,333 --> 01:10:50,333
Lousy.
1208
01:10:50,634 --> 01:10:52,235
Treatment during
captivity was lousy.
1209
01:10:52,567 --> 01:10:55,901
Not in the sense where
they beat me everyday
1210
01:10:57,433 --> 01:10:59,466
but it was
1211
01:11:01,833 --> 01:11:04,866
in-violation of something very
1212
01:11:04,933 --> 01:11:09,200
profound in the
Iranian zone culture
1213
01:11:09,699 --> 01:11:11,366
one of the leaders of
the student militants
1214
01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:13,100
who were then holding
the three of us
1215
01:11:13,133 --> 01:11:14,433
in solitary confinement
1216
01:11:15,433 --> 01:11:17,200
each of us in separate cells.
1217
01:11:17,966 --> 01:11:21,900
He came in to see me
one day, in my cell
1218
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,634
and I proceeded, I took the
opportunity to say look
1219
01:11:24,833 --> 01:11:26,200
why are you doing this?
1220
01:11:27,467 --> 01:11:30,268
It is totally contrary to
all Iranian traditions
1221
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:31,500
of freedom
1222
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:32,900
human rights
1223
01:11:33,467 --> 01:11:34,901
treating us this way
1224
01:11:36,367 --> 01:11:38,335
physically abused as hostages
1225
01:11:39,333 --> 01:11:41,466
it is totally absolutely wrong
1226
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,200
why are you doing this?
1227
01:11:45,666 --> 01:11:48,833
He responded by saying you
have nothing to complain about
1228
01:11:49,699 --> 01:11:54,233
your country took my
country hostage in 1953
1229
01:11:55,100 --> 01:12:00,467
totally and abrogated the
opportunities that we had then
1230
01:12:01,033 --> 01:12:04,433
we're a free
participatory democracy.
1231
01:12:04,833 --> 01:12:06,900
I was reminded of 1984
1232
01:12:07,333 --> 01:12:11,067
particularly if you remember
the incident in there
1233
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:12,601
of the two minutes hate
1234
01:12:13,066 --> 01:12:17,667
that everyday at Winston
Smiths ministry
1235
01:12:17,733 --> 01:12:19,766
they would all stop work and
they would get together
1236
01:12:19,866 --> 01:12:21,367
and they would have
two minutes of hate
1237
01:12:21,433 --> 01:12:24,533
and they would scream, shout
slogans and scream and yell
1238
01:12:24,933 --> 01:12:28,200
and get all excited and then
they would have hate week
1239
01:12:28,799 --> 01:12:31,300
that seemed very much the
situation we were in
1240
01:12:31,666 --> 01:12:34,333
I couldn't identify
today, where it was or is
1241
01:12:34,733 --> 01:12:37,400
but it was a prison,
a dark cold prison
1242
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,667
where my colleagues
had been held
1243
01:12:40,634 --> 01:12:42,968
in and out of prisons
during those months
1244
01:12:46,367 --> 01:12:49,534
and I could do nothing to
help them, that was my hurt
1245
01:12:50,534 --> 01:12:53,368
that was my mental
hurt if you will.
1246
01:12:53,699 --> 01:12:58,667
but beyond what happened
to me personally
1247
01:13:00,167 --> 01:13:03,934
the event still
1248
01:13:06,766 --> 01:13:10,100
resonates, it resonates
in this country
1249
01:13:10,167 --> 01:13:12,501
it resonates around the world
1250
01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:17,567
and for better or worse
and mostly for worse
1251
01:13:18,433 --> 01:13:23,733
it shapes the way
people look at Iran
1252
01:13:24,799 --> 01:13:27,866
The student captures
also controlled
1253
01:13:27,933 --> 01:13:31,000
all of the library of
the embassy compound
1254
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,734
and so we all got access
to books, eventually
1255
01:13:34,801 --> 01:13:36,168
not the books you wanted
1256
01:13:37,933 --> 01:13:40,534
one of my colleagues is
much quoted as having said
1257
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,900
first book they gave me was
a god damn geometry book
1258
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,700
I never liked geometry but I
read everything in that book.
1259
01:13:47,799 --> 01:13:55,932
You ignore history and you
ignore Iranians view of history
1260
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,301
and you ignore the
history of the
1261
01:13:58,367 --> 01:14:01,367
United States and
Iran at your peril.
1262
01:14:02,733 --> 01:14:05,300
to give you the simplest example
1263
01:14:06,167 --> 01:14:12,868
in October of 1979,
when the White House
1264
01:14:12,966 --> 01:14:16,333
decided to admit the
Shah to the country
1265
01:14:18,333 --> 01:14:22,567
it said alright we will do this
1266
01:14:22,634 --> 01:14:25,235
but we will tell the Iranians
1267
01:14:25,567 --> 01:14:29,834
that we're doing this only
for humanitarian reasons
1268
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:33,034
because the Shah is sick
and so he's coming to the
1269
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:35,367
United States only for
medical treatment
1270
01:14:35,433 --> 01:14:37,401
and there is no
political agenda.
1271
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:40,734
Well, that may have been true
1272
01:14:41,367 --> 01:14:46,667
but given the history
of US Iranian relations
1273
01:14:46,699 --> 01:14:50,832
I doubt that any Iranian
over the age of 3
1274
01:14:50,933 --> 01:14:54,801
would have believed
such an explanation
1275
01:14:55,066 --> 01:15:00,934
and perhaps that was
why the events of 1953
1276
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:06,267
and the Americans
coming eventually
1277
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:07,967
siding with the British
1278
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,868
working to overthrow
1279
01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:14,834
Dr.Mosaddegh's
nationalist government
1280
01:15:16,167 --> 01:15:18,167
came as such a profound shock
1281
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:20,734
I mean had it been
the British they
1282
01:15:20,866 --> 01:15:23,767
probably would've been expected,
had it been the Russians
1283
01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:26,500
would've been expected
1284
01:15:26,634 --> 01:15:30,201
but from someone who you
thought was your friend
1285
01:15:31,133 --> 01:15:33,166
it was seen as a
1286
01:15:33,766 --> 01:15:35,600
very deep betrayal
1287
01:15:42,933 --> 01:15:44,634
Freedom
1288
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,934
as one comes to appreciate,
eventually and certainly
1289
01:15:51,033 --> 01:15:53,367
as a hostage in
solitary confinement
1290
01:15:53,433 --> 01:15:55,600
is a beautiful thing.
1291
01:15:58,866 --> 01:16:02,100
They were 20 years
old at the time
1292
01:16:02,467 --> 01:16:04,801
we were all 20 years
old at the time.
1293
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:09,567
when we're at that
age you're emotional
1294
01:16:09,634 --> 01:16:12,368
you don't think
through what you do.
1295
01:16:12,467 --> 01:16:16,801
I don't blame them so
much for what they did
1296
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:21,334
I blame those who rode the wave
1297
01:16:21,766 --> 01:16:26,933
who did not take up
their responsibilities.
1298
01:16:27,333 --> 01:16:28,934
I understood their zeal
1299
01:16:29,333 --> 01:16:33,800
you have to understand that even
though you think they are wrong
1300
01:16:34,267 --> 01:16:36,400
you give them credit
for being zealous
1301
01:16:36,699 --> 01:16:38,832
and they sure as hell were
1302
01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:41,967
determined to hold as
long as they could
1303
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,934
I have no particular
malice towards each
1304
01:16:47,033 --> 01:16:48,534
and every one of them except
1305
01:16:48,733 --> 01:16:52,534
my hope my them,
my I wish for them
1306
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,201
is they never get a visa
to come to my country.
1307
01:16:59,133 --> 01:17:00,900
I can get emotional
in that subject.
1308
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:05,234
You make gestures,
you lower the tone
1309
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:07,934
of the rhetoric, you
stop the sermonizing
1310
01:17:08,033 --> 01:17:11,400
you put your
preconceptions aside
1311
01:17:11,799 --> 01:17:14,433
I have said since the day I left
1312
01:17:15,167 --> 01:17:17,834
since the moment I
entered the Algerian
1313
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:19,768
aircraft to return me to freedom
1314
01:17:19,833 --> 01:17:21,534
I said it to the
principle hostage
1315
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,401
taker at the top of the ramp
1316
01:17:23,467 --> 01:17:25,600
I look forward to the day your
when your country and mine
1317
01:17:25,666 --> 01:17:27,933
can again have a normal
diplomatic relationship
1318
01:17:28,267 --> 01:17:30,768
I have advocated
that ever since,
1319
01:17:30,866 --> 01:17:32,500
I have preached
the need to talk.
1320
01:17:32,933 --> 01:17:34,000
We should be talking.
1321
01:17:34,799 --> 01:17:36,700
Now, will that bring
1322
01:17:38,634 --> 01:17:40,435
an immediate change?
1323
01:17:41,033 --> 01:17:42,600
will that bring
1324
01:17:44,267 --> 01:17:46,201
immediate positive results?
1325
01:17:46,367 --> 01:17:51,201
probably not, suspicions
still run deep
1326
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,101
you don't overcome 30
years of hostility
1327
01:17:55,567 --> 01:17:58,468
with one speech or one gesture
1328
01:17:58,866 --> 01:18:00,467
but you keep at it.
1329
01:18:00,666 --> 01:18:34,534
[music]
1330
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:38,034
Khatami made a speech
in January of 88'
1331
01:18:38,699 --> 01:18:40,699
in which he basically
went as far as any
1332
01:18:40,799 --> 01:18:42,600
Iranian leader is
ever likely to go
1333
01:18:42,699 --> 01:18:45,699
and saying that clearly we
would never do that again
1334
01:18:45,799 --> 01:18:48,533
and those were different
times and so forth
1335
01:18:48,634 --> 01:18:49,634
he can't come out and say
1336
01:18:49,733 --> 01:18:52,234
oh we were completely
wrong, he can't say that
1337
01:18:52,333 --> 01:18:56,433
I mean Khomeini was behind it,
he supported it all the way
1338
01:18:56,634 --> 01:18:57,934
and he's the father
of their country
1339
01:18:58,033 --> 01:18:59,500
it's like saying
George Washington
1340
01:18:59,833 --> 01:19:01,300
made a foolish mistake
1341
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,401
you don't just say
things like that.
1342
01:19:03,766 --> 01:19:05,966
The problem with
US Iran relations
1343
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,968
is not so much foreign policy
1344
01:19:09,033 --> 01:19:10,267
it's domestic policy.
1345
01:19:11,267 --> 01:19:13,168
In the United States,
Iran is a dirty word
1346
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,067
and has been since the
time of the hostage crisis
1347
01:19:17,233 --> 01:19:20,767
it's very hard to
get politicians
1348
01:19:20,833 --> 01:19:23,500
to say anything
constructive about Iran
1349
01:19:23,699 --> 01:19:25,533
and our relations with Iran
1350
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,767
it's easier to dismiss
them, to criticize them
1351
01:19:30,066 --> 01:19:34,300
or to suggest harder sanctions
on them or punishment
1352
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,600
In Iran it's the same thing.
1353
01:19:37,534 --> 01:19:41,301
The revolution was as much
an anti-American revolution
1354
01:19:41,367 --> 01:19:43,667
as it was an
anti-Shah revolution
1355
01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:45,200
we're going to have
to give up something
1356
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:46,834
but Iran is going to have
to give up something
1357
01:19:46,933 --> 01:19:49,500
and that's what
negotiations are all about.
1358
01:19:50,467 --> 01:19:52,968
[music]
1359
01:19:53,167 --> 01:19:57,601
In January of 2002, George
Bush gave his second state
1360
01:19:57,699 --> 01:19:59,633
of the union address
1361
01:19:59,699 --> 01:20:02,333
he singled out Iran
for special attention
1362
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,301
and thereby damaged chances
for a better relationship
1363
01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:08,767
Here we've got after all
1364
01:20:09,133 --> 01:20:12,667
an administration that finds
in Afghanistan in 2000
1365
01:20:12,733 --> 01:20:16,701
late 2001, 2002 that the
Iranians are very cooperative
1366
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,000
that the Iranians
are helping you
1367
01:20:19,300 --> 01:20:21,801
that the Iranians are helping
you with everything from
1368
01:20:21,966 --> 01:20:24,433
rounding up the Taliban,
finding Al-Qaeda
1369
01:20:24,534 --> 01:20:28,001
who might have flown into Iran
1370
01:20:29,467 --> 01:20:33,268
working for The Bonn
conference, in stalling Karzai
1371
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,834
that they are
helping you as much
1372
01:20:35,866 --> 01:20:37,533
as anybody else in the region
1373
01:20:37,866 --> 01:20:39,933
and you pay them
back by giving a
1374
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,934
state of union address
which calls them
1375
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,567
a member of the access of evil
1376
01:20:43,799 --> 01:20:45,233
which is imponderable to them
1377
01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:46,567
they don't even know
what that means
1378
01:20:46,801 --> 01:20:48,502
but they know it's bad
1379
01:20:48,968 --> 01:20:52,769
Iran aggressively prosue these
weapons and exports terror
1380
01:20:53,699 --> 01:20:56,933
states like these and
their terrorist allies
1381
01:20:57,367 --> 01:20:59,500
constitute and access of evil
1382
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,500
arming to threaten the
peace of the world
1383
01:21:03,267 --> 01:21:07,001
and so their payback for having
cooperated in Afganistan
1384
01:21:07,733 --> 01:21:09,900
is to be called a member
of the access of evil
1385
01:21:09,968 --> 01:21:13,968
imagine their befuddlement
and imagine their anger
1386
01:21:14,333 --> 01:21:16,633
I'm Iranian and that's funny
cause people I tell them
1387
01:21:16,733 --> 01:21:18,567
my American friends,
I go ya I'm Iranian
1388
01:21:18,634 --> 01:21:21,068
they go oh so you're Arab and
I'm like no we're actually
1389
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:23,034
different we're not Arab but I
mean you know we're similar
1390
01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:25,233
you know we're all getting shot
at, you know that's one thing
1391
01:21:26,467 --> 01:21:30,101
but you Iranians are actually
ethnically, we're actually Arian
1392
01:21:30,167 --> 01:21:32,901
we're white, we're white,
so stop shooting you know
1393
01:21:33,933 --> 01:21:35,667
a lot of the times I would get
in an argument with people
1394
01:21:35,733 --> 01:21:39,334
around the time of the Iraq war,
cause I was against the war
1395
01:21:39,733 --> 01:21:41,833
and a lot of the times people
would say we got to do this
1396
01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:43,701
got to do that and I'd always
say do you know the history
1397
01:21:43,766 --> 01:21:46,400
let's go back a little bit
and see how we got here in
1398
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:48,134
the first place and
I would always
1399
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,300
bring the 53 coup
into the argument
1400
01:21:50,367 --> 01:21:52,001
The Iranians don't
even say their Iranian
1401
01:21:52,066 --> 01:21:53,900
Iranians say they're Persian.
1402
01:21:56,167 --> 01:21:58,701
In Iran we say we are Persian
1403
01:21:58,799 --> 01:22:01,566
you know it sounds
nicer and friendlier
1404
01:22:01,699 --> 01:22:03,966
we even smile, when we say
we're Persian we smile
1405
01:22:04,033 --> 01:22:05,033
"I am Persian!"
1406
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,000
"I am Persian!"
1407
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:11,534
"I am not dangerous,
I am Persian!"
1408
01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:14,101
"I am Persian like the cat"
1409
01:22:16,433 --> 01:22:17,600
"I am the cat!"
1410
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,468
"I am Persian like
the rug, hello
1411
01:22:24,534 --> 01:22:27,235
rug colorful, hand woven."
1412
01:22:27,567 --> 01:22:29,301
I have a friend
who's conservative
1413
01:22:29,367 --> 01:22:30,534
and we have these
debates and I go
1414
01:22:30,634 --> 01:22:33,235
go back and look that
Iran had a democracy
1415
01:22:33,467 --> 01:22:37,734
and that US with England, they
came in overthrew that democracy
1416
01:22:37,833 --> 01:22:40,133
to implement a
monarchy for the oil.
1417
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,800
So you know you got to have a
historical perspective before
1418
01:22:44,868 --> 01:22:46,068
before you get into
these debates.
1419
01:22:46,133 --> 01:22:47,600
People think that just because
I'm from the Middle East
1420
01:22:47,666 --> 01:22:48,799
I'm an expert on the Middle East
1421
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,467
So like I got a friend, every
time the gas prices go up
1422
01:22:51,534 --> 01:22:53,235
he'll always ask my
opinion about it
1423
01:22:53,833 --> 01:22:55,734
he'll always corner me,
"hey Mass, hey Mass
1424
01:22:56,100 --> 01:22:58,200
in your opinion what's going
on with this gas thing
1425
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:00,167
what's going to happen,
what's going on
1426
01:23:00,534 --> 01:23:02,268
50 words or less,
breakdown would you
1427
01:23:03,133 --> 01:23:04,634
you're my middle
eastern friend."
1428
01:23:05,367 --> 01:23:07,868
like dude I don't work
at Opek, I don't know
1429
01:23:08,467 --> 01:23:10,901
I pay the same price as you
you know, like I don't have a
1430
01:23:10,966 --> 01:23:12,667
discount pump at the gas station
1431
01:23:13,933 --> 01:23:14,834
I don't want in like
1432
01:23:14,900 --> 01:23:16,801
"Hassan Hussein discount
pump, okay my friend."
1433
01:23:16,934 --> 01:23:21,535
[laughter and applause]
1434
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:22,967
Fuck America
1435
01:23:23,033 --> 01:23:24,800
[laughter]
1436
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:26,667
I joke about that, I said
you know it was funny cause
1437
01:23:26,733 --> 01:23:28,900
the hijackers were Saudis
and Egyptians and somehow
1438
01:23:28,966 --> 01:23:30,333
Iran ended up in
the access of evil
1439
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:31,667
I remember watching
that and he was like
1440
01:23:31,733 --> 01:23:33,434
there's an access of evil,
I was like yes there is
1441
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:35,167
and he goes it's North
Korea, I'm like ya
1442
01:23:35,233 --> 01:23:36,834
he goes it's Iraq, I go right on
1443
01:23:36,966 --> 01:23:39,233
he goes it's Iran, I'm like
what the hell, what do we do
1444
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:41,300
you know okay we might
have a nuclear program
1445
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:44,134
but we're not admitting to it,
maybe we have a nuclear program
1446
01:23:44,233 --> 01:23:46,201
maybe we don't, define nuclear.
1447
01:23:48,066 --> 01:23:50,000
I think that goes
back to that whole
1448
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,634
cause Iran also calls
America the great Satan
1449
01:23:52,866 --> 01:23:53,767
It's kind of like
five year oldās
1450
01:23:53,833 --> 01:23:55,634
on a playground
just name calling.
1451
01:23:55,866 --> 01:23:57,734
So it was unfortunate,
it's undiplomatic
1452
01:23:57,966 --> 01:23:59,166
let's put it that way.
1453
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:05,167
[music]
1454
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The Bush administration came
into office thinking there was
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a quick and easy solution to
the proliferation problem
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fortunately there is
now a wide spread
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at least expert consensus
that this strategy of forced
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regime change didn't work, that
the solution is to leave the
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regime change up to the people
of the country themselves
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the only ones who can
really change the regime
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and to seek other combinations
of pressures and incentives
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to convince those countries,
convince those people to abandon
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nuclear programs.
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The Iranian program is a threat
in many ways, but the answer
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isn't to force the regime
to give up the program
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no country has ever been forced
to give up a nuclear program
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but lots of countries have
be convinced to do so.
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The NIE also correctly
understood that the drivers
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behind Iranās program
were not some crazy idea
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of a global genocide or
annihilation of Israel
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they were the same motives that
have motivated most countries
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who have pursued
nuclear weapons,
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a desire for security to
protect them from attack
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a desire for enhanced prestige.
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Think India getting the bomb,
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there is no real
military option here
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history is very clear on this
score, an attack on a country
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causes the people of
that country to rally
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around the leadership,
not flee from it
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it often will lead
to an acceleration
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of military programs
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containment works,
deterrence is alive and well
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the worst case,
scenario is not good
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but it's a lot better than
starting a nuclear war
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in the neighborhood.
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No US President has ever spoken
that way to the Muslim people
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and when he referenced the 1953
coup against the democratic
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leadership of Iran, he was
doing so not as an apology
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but just stating a truth
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everybody knows what the
US has done in that region
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and when he coupled that
with an explicit reference
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to colonialism, for many
Muslims this was unbelievable
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that you heard a western
leader acknowledging this
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just as a fact that
we have to deal with
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and then let's move on, let's
have a new relationship
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new structures, based on
our needs now, fully aware
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of the sins and omissions hat
both sides have committed
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in the years passed.
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Iran's a country, it's a
very youthful country
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vast majority of the country
are less than 30 years old
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born after the
revolution actually
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and very well educated, it's
a majority Shia country
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over 90% Shia
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but it's also pretty
ethnically diverse
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and there are lots of
minorities, there's Arabs
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there's Kurd, there's
Turks, there's Christians,
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Jews, Muslims, Sunnis
as well as Shia
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so it's pretty ethnically
diverse, at the same time
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it is overwhelmingly Shia.
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Ya every Iranian you can
talk about in the 1953
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CIA backed coup against the
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democratically elected
government of
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Prime minister Mosaddegh and
the reason every Iranian knows
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knows that history is
cause they're taught it
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every school kid knows about
it, the same way we know
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that George Washington
fought the British,
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the same we way know
who Benjamin Franklin
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was and Iranians will know
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that there was a democratically
elected government
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that was overthrown by the CIA.
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President Khatami expressed
regret rather than an apology
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or feeling shameful about it,
certainly not proud of it
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I don't think hardly
anybody is proud of it
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including the students who
took over the embassy
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Out beyond the ideas of
wrongdoing and right-doing
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there's a field,
I'll meet you there
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and the reason I put that in
the introduction was because
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I think it speaks very well
to the idea of why I wrote
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the book in the first place,
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which is complete
misunderstanding
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between Iran and the United
States and it's accusations
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fly back and forth, you
did this, you did this
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you are doing this,
you are doing that
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you're wrong here,
you're right here
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I'm right here,
you're wrong there
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none of that ever gets us
anywhere, that's all rhetoric
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and it's always
accusations, like a fight
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any fight and weāre
in this conflict
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but there's place where you go,
go beyond those accusations
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beyond those fights,
beyond those issues
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that we have between us,
there's a place where
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we could meet and
discuss things.
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On June 12th 2009
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Iranians went to the
polls in large numbers.
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when the Presidential election
appeared stolen, they took
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to the streets in protests,
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situations seem to harpen back
to what happened to Iranās
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nascent democracy of the 1950's.
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[music]
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The protests have subsided but
it's obvious that peoples
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sense of anger and
injustice hasn't subsided
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and millions of people which
represented diverse swathe
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of Iranian society,
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not only in Tehran but
throughout the Country
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are risking their lives,
almost on a daily basis
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for greater political voice, for
more economic opportunities
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for more social freedoms
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and I think Iranians have really
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inspired people
throughout the world.
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Mousavi has earned a
tremendous respect from people
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for not backing down
to the hardliners,
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for continuing the fight
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and in a way the relationship
between Mousavi and the crowd
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is somewhat symbiotic
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in the sense that I think that
the crowds are inspired by
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Mousavi unwillingness
to back down
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and Mousavi is frankly
is odd I think by
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the courage of the crowd
and that allows him the
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political capital
to remain defiant.
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What's interesting about
Mousavi is that he is not
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an opposition candidate who
has actually been an opponent
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of the regime, he's someone with
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impeccable revolutionary
credentials,
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he was prime minister for
8 years, he was someone
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who was close to the
father of the revolution,
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Ayatollah Khomeini
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and he's not for a wholesale
revolution, what he's saying is
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that the revolution, the
ideals of the 1979 revolution
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have veered off onto
a dangerous path
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and we need to take
it back onto the
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[Persian word]
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as they say in Persian,
'the right path'.
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In the last 1970's, the iconic
images which emerged from
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the revolution were bearded,
middle aged, traditional men.
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The iconic images from
this movement have been
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young, educated,
modern female like
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Neda Agha-Soltan
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who was killed
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and women's role in these
protests I think have been
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quite frankly awesome.
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women have continued to go to
the streets despite the regimes
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indiscriminate use of words
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I think any change which
takes place in Iran
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will and will have played an
incredibly important role in
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bringing about that change
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and it's remarkable that days
and weeks and months and
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I'm sure years after
Nedaās death,
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people from around the world
are never going to forget that
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image and are never going to
forget her tremendous bravery
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and are never going to
forget the conditions
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under which she died.
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Right now theres an
incredible whirlwind
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01:31:41,933 --> 01:31:44,033
of emotions that
Iranians are feeling
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there's tremendous hope
and tremendous fear
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all at the same time.
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01:31:48,933 --> 01:31:51,834
there is this hope that
finally after 30 years
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there is light at the
end of the tunnel
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there's hope for a more modern,
progressive, tolerant Iran.
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You have a unique situation
in the sense that,
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right now about two thirds
of Iranians are under 33
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so they donāt remember
the 1979 revolution
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they have no inherent enmity
towards the United States
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they have no inherent loyalty
towards the Islamic republic.
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2009 is a much different
world than 1979
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1979, there wasn't internet,
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there wasn't satellite
television, people couldnāt see
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what was taking place
beyond their borders
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this has been a movement
which has transcended
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age, it's transcended gender,
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it's transcended
geographic location,
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it's transcended religiosity,
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it's transcended
socioeconomic class
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and again when millions of
people have taken to the streets
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despite the risk of wars
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despite the risks
to the security
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you can only imagine that
there's millions of people
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who feel solidarity
with them at home.
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So we should not underestimate
the magnitude of
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this moment.
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The problems are not
that intractable
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we have huge common
interest here
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and we have resolved problems
much greater than this.
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In my life, I've
seen miracles happen
1634
01:33:21,766 --> 01:33:25,833
I've seen Germany unite,
the Soviet Union collapse,
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01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,200
the war in Vietnam
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now embraces American tourism.
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01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:36,067
I've seen Catholics and
Protestants in Northern Ireland
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01:33:36,133 --> 01:33:38,367
who swore never, never, never,
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01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,000
and denounced each other
as terrorists, shake hands
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and form a united government.
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01:33:42,634 --> 01:33:45,034
I've seen a man walk out of a
prison cell that held him for
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01:33:45,133 --> 01:33:49,333
28 years to become the majority
leader of South Africa.
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Don't tell me that
miracles can't happen
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01:33:52,799 --> 01:33:55,667
don't tell me that any of
these challenges are too big
1645
01:33:55,766 --> 01:33:57,700
or too intractable
that we have to
1646
01:33:57,766 --> 01:33:59,909
use military force
to resolve them
1647
01:34:00,500 --> 01:34:02,600
I think that the US and Iran are
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destined to become
partners once again.
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01:34:06,233 --> 01:34:10,366
We have the power to
make the world we seek
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01:34:10,766 --> 01:34:14,899
but only if we have the courage
to make a new beginning
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01:34:15,699 --> 01:34:18,699
keeping in mind what
has been written
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01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:21,867
the Holy Qurāan tells us
1653
01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:28,134
Oh man kind, we have created
you male and a female
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01:34:28,866 --> 01:34:32,200
and we have made you
into nations and tribes
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01:34:32,634 --> 01:34:34,535
so that you make
know one another
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01:34:37,799 --> 01:34:39,767
The Talmud tells us:
1657
01:34:40,534 --> 01:34:45,402
"The whole of the TÅ«rÄn is for
the purpose of promoting peace."
1658
01:34:47,233 --> 01:34:49,201
The Holy Bible tells us:
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"Blessed are the peacemakers
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for they shall be
called sons of God."
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[applause]
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The people of the world can
live together in peace
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01:35:02,534 --> 01:35:04,968
we know that is Gods vision
1664
01:35:05,866 --> 01:35:08,999
now that must be our
work here on earth.
1665
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Thank you and may Gods
peace be upon you.
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01:35:12,534 --> 01:35:16,268
[applause]
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I do believe that when democracy
1668
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,267
finally returns in it's
full form to Iran,
1669
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Mohammad Mosaddegh will
be revered as a hero,
1670
01:35:25,534 --> 01:35:27,368
you will see his
picture once again
1671
01:35:27,766 --> 01:35:30,866
on every banner in every office
1672
01:35:30,966 --> 01:35:32,133
on every street corner
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01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:35,500
and he will be
understood officially
1674
01:35:35,601 --> 01:35:39,868
as he is now understood
privately: as the great hero
1675
01:35:39,933 --> 01:35:41,500
of 20th century Iran.
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01:35:43,766 --> 01:35:47,300
"If I sit silently,
I have sinned."
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