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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,667 --> 00:00:30,568 [music] 2 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,634 In August of 1953 Iran had a democratic government. 3 00:00:43,167 --> 00:00:44,768 Its parliament and prime minister, 4 00:00:44,834 --> 00:00:46,901 the popular Mohammad Mosaddegh, 5 00:00:46,934 --> 00:00:48,735 had nationalized the oil industry 6 00:00:48,767 --> 00:00:51,301 to control the country's chief asset. 7 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:55,367 Then, the CIA intervened. 8 00:00:59,467 --> 00:01:05,734 [music] 9 00:01:26,033 --> 00:01:33,033 [music] 10 00:01:48,834 --> 00:01:55,401 [music] 11 00:02:12,467 --> 00:02:16,701 [music] 12 00:02:24,734 --> 00:02:29,460 I am honored to be in the timeless city of Cairo. 13 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:33,301 [Applause and Cheering] 14 00:02:33,734 --> 00:02:38,401 We meet at a time of great tension 15 00:02:38,434 --> 00:02:42,467 between the United States and Muslims around the world. 16 00:02:42,868 --> 00:02:45,635 Tension rooted in historical forces 17 00:02:45,667 --> 00:02:48,601 that go beyond any current policy debate. 18 00:02:49,701 --> 00:02:53,101 For many years Iran has defined itself in part 19 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:56,266 by its opposition to my country and there is, 20 00:02:56,334 --> 00:02:59,768 in fact, a tumultuous history between us. 21 00:03:00,868 --> 00:03:03,302 Since the Islamic revolution Iran has played 22 00:03:03,367 --> 00:03:06,301 a role in acts of hostage taking and violence 23 00:03:06,367 --> 00:03:08,701 against US troops and civilians. 24 00:03:09,601 --> 00:03:11,835 In the middle of the Cold War the United States 25 00:03:11,868 --> 00:03:13,535 played a role in the overthrow 26 00:03:13,601 --> 00:03:16,601 of a democratically elected Iranian government. 27 00:03:16,734 --> 00:03:18,301 This history is well known. 28 00:03:18,667 --> 00:03:22,234 I have never heard anything about the CIA, 29 00:03:22,367 --> 00:03:23,901 especially in 1953. 30 00:03:23,934 --> 00:03:25,501 I don't know anything about it. 31 00:03:25,667 --> 00:03:27,901 I'm sorry, I don't know anything about that. 32 00:03:27,934 --> 00:03:30,126 I have no knowledge of that whatsoever. 33 00:03:30,167 --> 00:03:32,293 Something I've never heard of, never known anything about. 34 00:03:32,334 --> 00:03:33,935 I have no clue. 35 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:34,868 Uh... 36 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:35,934 Uh... 37 00:03:36,525 --> 00:03:38,259 Uh... can you repeat that? 38 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:41,843 Well I wasn't born in 1953 so I've never heard of the coup. 39 00:03:41,901 --> 00:03:44,124 That was a little bit before my time. 40 00:03:45,334 --> 00:03:47,959 After the Eisenhower administration made its decision 41 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,059 to overthrow Mosaddegh, Allen Dulles selected Kermit Roosevelt 42 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:56,499 to carry out the coup. At the beginning of august 1953 43 00:03:56,701 --> 00:03:59,760 Kermit Roosevelt arrived in Tehran 44 00:03:59,801 --> 00:04:03,102 and began this covert operation. 45 00:04:03,133 --> 00:04:05,500 It's really a fascinating operation to study 46 00:04:05,534 --> 00:04:08,126 because it answers this odd question. 47 00:04:08,167 --> 00:04:10,026 How do you overthrow a government? 48 00:04:10,334 --> 00:04:13,168 [music] 49 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,533 Former Premier Mosaddegh’s ruined house is a mute testimony 50 00:04:16,601 --> 00:04:20,268 to three days of bloody rioting culminating in a military coup. 51 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:22,101 Suppose you get sent to a country and you're told 52 00:04:22,133 --> 00:04:25,200 "overthrow the government" so what do you do on the first day? 53 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,001 What do you do on the second day? 54 00:04:27,234 --> 00:04:29,068 In the quick shift of power, Mosaddegh 55 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:32,167 was finally apprehended and awaits trial for treason. 56 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,600 The Shah, who had fled to Rome, comes home 57 00:04:34,634 --> 00:04:37,626 backed by General Zedekiah, military strongman, 58 00:04:37,667 --> 00:04:39,700 who engineered his return to power. 59 00:04:39,734 --> 00:04:41,501 The general will now have a strong voice 60 00:04:41,534 --> 00:04:43,701 in the newly formed government whose cabinet 61 00:04:43,734 --> 00:04:46,168 is seen here with Shah Pahlavi. 62 00:04:47,934 --> 00:04:50,435 How do you overthrow a government? 63 00:04:56,868 --> 00:05:04,836 [music] 64 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:15,567 Many countries in the Middle East are what you might call 65 00:05:15,801 --> 00:05:18,235 fake countries or invented countries. 66 00:05:18,334 --> 00:05:21,868 They're countries that were created by outside powers, 67 00:05:21,901 --> 00:05:25,001 usually in the wake of World War I and I think 68 00:05:25,033 --> 00:05:27,867 there's a temptation for people that aren't familiar 69 00:05:27,901 --> 00:05:30,802 with the region to see Iran in that category 70 00:05:30,834 --> 00:05:33,967 but that's not true. Actually the opposite is true. 71 00:05:34,033 --> 00:05:37,200 Iran, formerly known as Persia, 72 00:05:37,234 --> 00:05:40,735 is one of the world's oldest civilizations. 73 00:05:40,801 --> 00:05:44,135 At a time when Europeans are still living in caves 74 00:05:44,167 --> 00:05:47,001 and wearing animal skins people in Persia 75 00:05:47,033 --> 00:05:50,967 were conducting experiments in astronomy 76 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,567 and learning about mathematics 77 00:05:52,601 --> 00:05:54,502 and writing beautiful poetry. 78 00:05:54,534 --> 00:05:58,335 So this is a civilization that has a great deal of sense 79 00:05:58,367 --> 00:06:03,335 of its history, a sense of self confidence, a sense of identity 80 00:06:03,367 --> 00:06:05,434 and a sense of being rooted 81 00:06:05,467 --> 00:06:07,634 in the long course of world history. 82 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:10,268 This is not a country that just arrived and it is trying 83 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,567 to figure out who or what it is. 84 00:06:13,267 --> 00:06:16,734 In 1908 the British discovered oil in Iran. 85 00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:20,434 Geologists soon learned that Iran sits on an ocean of oil. 86 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:23,534 The British decided that they needed oil to run their cars, 87 00:06:23,567 --> 00:06:26,801 to power their Navy and to fuel their economy. 88 00:06:27,467 --> 00:06:29,534 But Britain has no oil. 89 00:06:29,701 --> 00:06:34,235 When oil was discovered there the British decided 90 00:06:34,267 --> 00:06:37,968 that they would like to control that entire resource. 91 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,534 Soon after the discovery this Anglo Iranian Oil Company 92 00:06:42,567 --> 00:06:47,834 was formed and it purchased the majority stake 93 00:06:47,868 --> 00:06:52,402 and then the oil company arranged a concession with Iran. 94 00:06:52,501 --> 00:06:56,835 The entire stock of Iranian oil was the property 95 00:06:56,901 --> 00:07:00,335 of this British company and all the rights to exploit oil 96 00:07:00,367 --> 00:07:03,335 in Iran belonged to this company. 97 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:08,134 Oil, of course, became very profitable 98 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,834 from the 1920s onwards 99 00:07:10,934 --> 00:07:14,768 and the way the division was, was abysmal. 100 00:07:14,801 --> 00:07:16,868 For instance, Iran was getting sometimes 101 00:07:16,901 --> 00:07:19,368 16 percent of the profits 102 00:07:19,434 --> 00:07:22,302 and the profits were defined in such a way 103 00:07:22,367 --> 00:07:25,400 that it actually short changed Iran. 104 00:07:25,467 --> 00:07:28,467 Books were not open to the public, 105 00:07:28,501 --> 00:07:31,235 even to the Iranian government. 106 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,368 In 1951, Mohammad Mosaddegh was chosen Prime Minister of Iran. 107 00:07:41,534 --> 00:07:44,335 Mosaddegh was a tireless social reformer, 108 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,800 fiercely nationalistic and incorruptible. 109 00:07:47,834 --> 00:07:49,834 No account of the 20th century 110 00:07:49,868 --> 00:07:52,702 is complete without a chapter on him. 111 00:07:54,467 --> 00:07:58,001 Mohammad Mosaddegh was an outstanding politician, 112 00:07:58,033 --> 00:08:01,333 political figure in Iran for a long, long time. 113 00:08:01,367 --> 00:08:05,968 He had relatives who were part of the previous dynasty, 114 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,968 The Qajar dynasty and he was a prominent figure 115 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,067 for a number of decades in Iran. 116 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:17,500 Before he became Prime Minister in 1951 he was 117 00:08:17,534 --> 00:08:23,268 a vocal opponent of British control over Iran's oil industry 118 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:28,300 and generally Britain's control over Iran as a country. 119 00:08:31,234 --> 00:08:33,367 We have to remember this is at a time 120 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,167 when there's a wave of nationalism going through Iran. 121 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,233 There's been long struggle against the British 122 00:08:40,267 --> 00:08:46,400 since the late 1800s and there was a feeling in the country 123 00:08:46,434 --> 00:08:48,901 that it was time for Iran to really be independent. 124 00:08:49,133 --> 00:08:52,500 As Iran's vast petroleum reserves aroused nationalists 125 00:08:52,534 --> 00:08:54,934 following seizure by the Iranian government 126 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,968 of the British operated refineries 127 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,767 and distribution facility. 128 00:08:58,801 --> 00:09:02,068 Demonstrations at the huge oil port of Ibadan culminate 129 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:05,100 in the tearing down of signs over company offices 130 00:09:05,133 --> 00:09:08,333 and the raising of the Iranian flag over the installations. 131 00:09:08,367 --> 00:09:11,667 - And here comes Gossamer, a very well respected person, 132 00:09:11,701 --> 00:09:14,268 a lawyer, who managed to get himself 133 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:16,500 in this very powerful position in the country. 134 00:09:16,934 --> 00:09:19,101 Mosaddegh was a fascinating figure. 135 00:09:19,133 --> 00:09:21,900 He must be one of the towering figures 136 00:09:21,934 --> 00:09:25,568 in the 20th century history of the developing world. 137 00:09:25,601 --> 00:09:29,868 Bear in mind that when he emerged there had never been 138 00:09:29,901 --> 00:09:34,934 a figure from a poor country who had risen up in such 139 00:09:34,968 --> 00:09:39,902 a visible way to challenge the masters of the universe. 140 00:09:40,501 --> 00:09:43,634 Nobody from a poor country had ever stood up and said 141 00:09:43,667 --> 00:09:46,667 "we own this resource, it belongs to us, 142 00:09:46,701 --> 00:09:49,502 it doesn't matter what companies you've imposed on us 143 00:09:49,534 --> 00:09:51,468 or what agreements you've imposed on us; 144 00:09:51,534 --> 00:09:53,035 all of that was unjust. 145 00:09:53,067 --> 00:09:56,200 We have this resource and we are miserably poor. 146 00:09:56,234 --> 00:09:58,901 We need the money from this resource 147 00:09:58,968 --> 00:10:00,936 and we insist on having it." 148 00:10:00,968 --> 00:10:03,135 Mosaddegh is very much interested 149 00:10:03,167 --> 00:10:06,601 in national sovereignty but there's something more 150 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:09,767 than that. He's not just a national leader. 151 00:10:09,801 --> 00:10:11,769 He was very sincerely committed 152 00:10:11,834 --> 00:10:14,867 to the notion of liberal democracy. 153 00:10:15,534 --> 00:10:18,301 Time Magazine made Mohammad Gossamer 154 00:10:18,367 --> 00:10:20,968 its man of the year for 1951. 155 00:10:21,467 --> 00:10:25,467 They chose him over Douglas MacArthur, Harry Truman, 156 00:10:25,501 --> 00:10:28,302 Winston Churchill and a number of other 157 00:10:28,334 --> 00:10:30,835 towering world figures and they were right. 158 00:10:30,901 --> 00:10:34,869 He was the most important person in the world at that time. 159 00:10:35,267 --> 00:10:38,434 And he did what a lot of Iranians strongly agreed with, 160 00:10:38,467 --> 00:10:41,335 which was to make sure that Iran would keep 161 00:10:41,367 --> 00:10:44,567 the revenues of its own oil, at least a big portion of it, 162 00:10:44,601 --> 00:10:47,068 whereas in the past it didn't keep any of it. 163 00:10:47,501 --> 00:10:50,402 So people in Iran began challenging 164 00:10:50,467 --> 00:10:52,767 Anglo Iranian Oil Company and saying 165 00:10:52,801 --> 00:10:56,068 "you've got to change your contract with us 166 00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:59,367 and give us 50 percent, you keep 50 percent", 167 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,201 not keep 90 percent or more, whatever it was, 168 00:11:02,234 --> 00:11:04,901 no one ever knew since Iranians were never allowed 169 00:11:04,968 --> 00:11:06,335 to audit the books. 170 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:09,034 The Anglo Iranian Oil Company refused. 171 00:11:09,334 --> 00:11:13,734 They would not concede an inch. They were quite pigheaded. 172 00:11:13,801 --> 00:11:15,769 I think they were still maybe caught 173 00:11:15,868 --> 00:11:19,268 in the colonial mentality of the past and thought that 174 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:22,333 the idea that some poor country could try 175 00:11:22,367 --> 00:11:26,301 to pressure them or dictate terms to them was unthinkable. 176 00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:30,667 The important thing is who actually controls oil production 177 00:11:30,701 --> 00:11:34,035 because if you control oil production then you can decide 178 00:11:34,067 --> 00:11:37,634 whether you're going to increase it or lower it 179 00:11:37,701 --> 00:11:40,834 and that then determines, of course, price. 180 00:11:40,901 --> 00:11:44,435 What Mosaddegh was doing was threatening that 181 00:11:44,467 --> 00:11:49,268 because by nationalizing he was saying MANIOC is not going 182 00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:52,935 to be in charge of production, Iran will be in charge. 183 00:11:52,968 --> 00:11:55,802 We can decide how much to produce, 184 00:11:55,868 --> 00:12:00,068 who to sell it to and that could influence the market. 185 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:02,767 So that's where it became the threat. 186 00:12:03,033 --> 00:12:07,001 The ability of a foreign company to control oil 187 00:12:07,067 --> 00:12:09,367 in the Middle East was also important, not just 188 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,634 for the British but also in the American's eyes. 189 00:12:11,701 --> 00:12:14,001 They didn't want other countries in the Middle East 190 00:12:14,033 --> 00:12:17,767 to begin thinking that all you have to do is make trouble 191 00:12:17,801 --> 00:12:19,468 and foreign companies are going to have to 192 00:12:19,501 --> 00:12:20,735 make concessions to you. 193 00:12:21,167 --> 00:12:24,501 The pretense was that they were willing to compromise 194 00:12:24,534 --> 00:12:27,101 but the Brits from right at the beginning 195 00:12:27,133 --> 00:12:29,233 they didn't want to give up control. 196 00:12:29,267 --> 00:12:31,467 They started spending some money on, you know, 197 00:12:31,501 --> 00:12:33,935 parks, swimming pools and stuff. 198 00:12:33,968 --> 00:12:36,902 So by '51 they were saying "the Iranians should be 199 00:12:36,968 --> 00:12:38,936 grateful to us because we've built you 200 00:12:38,968 --> 00:12:40,635 swimming pools and stuff." 201 00:12:40,667 --> 00:12:42,834 Well of course a swimming pool might cost 202 00:12:42,868 --> 00:12:45,736 the oil company 2,000 pounds. 203 00:12:45,801 --> 00:12:48,302 What's that when you know profits are like 204 00:12:48,334 --> 00:12:51,334 50 million pounds a year or something like that. 205 00:12:51,467 --> 00:12:53,101 They were treating them kind of like the way 206 00:12:53,167 --> 00:12:56,868 we treated black Americans in per civil war south, 207 00:12:56,934 --> 00:12:59,568 or even post civil war south when we put them in 208 00:12:59,601 --> 00:13:03,668 economic slavery instead of real slavery and persisted, 209 00:13:03,701 --> 00:13:06,068 even more adamantly, in their desire to rape, 210 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:07,934 pillage and plunder Iran. 211 00:13:07,968 --> 00:13:10,202 The Persians had every reason to dislike the way 212 00:13:10,234 --> 00:13:12,568 that MANIOC was treating them. 213 00:13:13,133 --> 00:13:15,200 The British didn't really know 214 00:13:15,234 --> 00:13:17,267 how to deal with a situation like this. 215 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:19,268 It was a new era for them but they were 216 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:21,567 still thinking in an older era. 217 00:13:21,601 --> 00:13:25,435 One of their first impulses was"well we're going to send 218 00:13:25,467 --> 00:13:27,634 an army and we'll just invade Iran." 219 00:13:27,701 --> 00:13:32,202 Harry Truman, in Washington, got wind of this and he went crazy. 220 00:13:32,701 --> 00:13:35,302 You got this situation where Harry Truman, I think, 221 00:13:35,334 --> 00:13:37,935 says"I'm not having any of this, this is imperialism, 222 00:13:37,968 --> 00:13:40,968 this is colonialism. We've fought a damn war. 223 00:13:41,033 --> 00:13:43,500 Winston Churchill when you come back to the 224 00:13:43,534 --> 00:13:45,402 government you can go to hell." 225 00:13:45,767 --> 00:13:49,001 President Truman was increasingly concerned about 226 00:13:49,033 --> 00:13:53,033 the intensity of this argument between Iran and Britain. 227 00:13:53,067 --> 00:13:58,001 At one point he sent a leading figure in the United States, 228 00:13:58,033 --> 00:14:03,634 Aver ell Harridan, who had been famous as governor of New York 229 00:14:03,667 --> 00:14:07,334 and had held a number of international positions, 230 00:14:07,367 --> 00:14:12,734 to Iran with instructions to negotiate with Mosaddegh 231 00:14:12,801 --> 00:14:14,669 and see if he could get Mosaddegh to make 232 00:14:14,701 --> 00:14:17,268 some kind of a compromise with the British. 233 00:14:17,601 --> 00:14:20,001 I want to express to you my appreciation 234 00:14:20,033 --> 00:14:23,600 for your willingness to undertake this trip to Iran. 235 00:14:24,167 --> 00:14:28,934 It's a very important job that you have undertaken 236 00:14:29,033 --> 00:14:31,634 and one which I think you can handle 237 00:14:31,667 --> 00:14:33,767 with satisfaction and success. 238 00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:36,500 Mr Harridan undertakes a series of conferences 239 00:14:36,534 --> 00:14:38,235 with Prime Minister Mosaddegh. 240 00:14:38,267 --> 00:14:40,400 Out of these conferences hope emerges, 241 00:14:40,434 --> 00:14:44,268 that the crisis that threatens world peace may now be averted. 242 00:14:46,167 --> 00:14:49,334 Poor Averell Harriman was shuttling back and forth 243 00:14:49,367 --> 00:14:51,934 between British and Iranian representatives, 244 00:14:51,968 --> 00:14:54,602 trying to make a deal, and realised 245 00:14:54,667 --> 00:14:56,468 that neither side was willing to. 246 00:14:56,968 --> 00:15:01,035 The British policy was to actually undermine Mosaddegh 247 00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:03,634 initially by putting economic pressure. 248 00:15:03,667 --> 00:15:07,568 So one way of economic pressure was to try to close down 249 00:15:07,601 --> 00:15:12,235 the oil industry, thinking that the Iranians 250 00:15:12,267 --> 00:15:14,467 wouldn't be able to run the oil industry. 251 00:15:14,501 --> 00:15:16,768 Actually Iranians were able to run it. 252 00:15:17,067 --> 00:15:19,868 They kept turning up the pressure, hoping 253 00:15:19,934 --> 00:15:25,067 that as one official of the old British company said 254 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:27,500 "when they need money they will come 255 00:15:27,534 --> 00:15:30,368 crawling to us on their bellies." 256 00:15:30,701 --> 00:15:34,402 So the next step was to have a blockade so Iran 257 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:40,135 couldn't sell its oil and so whenever tankers from Italy 258 00:15:40,167 --> 00:15:42,834 or somewhere came to buy oil the British 259 00:15:42,901 --> 00:15:45,502 would actually impound them. 260 00:15:45,868 --> 00:15:48,435 This way the main source of revenue of course 261 00:15:48,467 --> 00:15:52,801 for Iran dried up because Iran's main source 262 00:15:52,868 --> 00:15:56,202 of foreign exchange and revenue was in fact oil. 263 00:15:56,434 --> 00:15:59,368 The British then decided they would take Mosaddegh 264 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,767 to international tribunals. 265 00:16:02,701 --> 00:16:06,402 The first thing Britain did was to submit a resolution 266 00:16:06,434 --> 00:16:09,068 to the United Nations Security Council 267 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:12,901 in which the Security Council would order Iran 268 00:16:12,968 --> 00:16:15,202 to give back the oil company. 269 00:16:16,067 --> 00:16:19,935 When Mosaddegh heard about this he decided to do something 270 00:16:19,968 --> 00:16:24,101 that no leader of any poor country had ever done. 271 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,934 He would fly himself to New York, which wasn't so easy 272 00:16:27,968 --> 00:16:32,502 in those days, and personally present Iran's case 273 00:16:32,534 --> 00:16:34,068 to the Security Council. 274 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:36,968 He made quite a splash in New York City. 275 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,838 He went to visit the Liberty Bell, went to Washington DC. 276 00:16:40,868 --> 00:16:45,135 He was a very colorful figure, something like your beloved 277 00:16:45,167 --> 00:16:48,001 but perhaps slightly eccentric favourite uncle. 278 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,601 His speech at the Security Council was very potent. 279 00:16:51,634 --> 00:16:54,901 It was the first time that most people at the UN 280 00:16:54,968 --> 00:16:58,268 and most people in the world had ever heard the leader 281 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:01,734 of a poor country explain a clash like this 282 00:17:02,067 --> 00:17:05,301 from the perspective of the poor country. 283 00:17:05,334 --> 00:17:07,601 We'd always been hearing it from the other perspective. 284 00:17:08,234 --> 00:17:11,035 [music] 285 00:17:11,634 --> 00:17:14,634 The United Nations, once again, confronts a grave problem 286 00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:17,734 as Premier Mohammad Mosaddegh of Iran arrives 287 00:17:17,767 --> 00:17:20,434 with Secretary [Trig Hurley] at the Security Council 288 00:17:20,501 --> 00:17:23,768 to present his side of the explosive Iranian oil case. 289 00:17:23,901 --> 00:17:26,802 The ailing statesman electrifies the Council as he denies 290 00:17:26,834 --> 00:17:29,034 the right of the United Nations to intervene 291 00:17:29,067 --> 00:17:31,901 in what he calls a purely internal matter. 292 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,634 He accuses Britain of intimidation by a display 293 00:17:34,667 --> 00:17:37,001 of armed might after the nationalization 294 00:17:37,033 --> 00:17:39,433 of the oil industry. Sir Goldwyn Ebb, 295 00:17:39,467 --> 00:17:41,667 Britain's representative, is an attentive listener 296 00:17:41,701 --> 00:17:44,402 to his arguments, as is America's Warren Austin. 297 00:17:44,567 --> 00:17:47,767 The issue could be peace or war. 298 00:17:49,067 --> 00:17:52,200 After that debate the Security Council did something 299 00:17:52,234 --> 00:17:55,901 that it had never done in the brief history of the UN, 300 00:17:56,133 --> 00:18:01,034 which was to refuse to pass a resolution that had been 301 00:18:01,067 --> 00:18:03,467 sponsored by one of the leading members 302 00:18:03,534 --> 00:18:04,968 of the Security Council, Britain. 303 00:18:05,033 --> 00:18:08,267 So the UN refused to order Mosaddegh 304 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,823 to give back the oil company. 305 00:18:09,868 --> 00:18:13,669 Then the British decided "we're gonna take Mosaddegh 306 00:18:13,701 --> 00:18:15,701 to the world court in the Hague" 307 00:18:15,734 --> 00:18:18,101 and Mosaddegh himself flew to The Hague. 308 00:18:18,334 --> 00:18:20,302 Hearings before the International Court 309 00:18:20,334 --> 00:18:22,501 at The Hague failed to solve the difference 310 00:18:22,567 --> 00:18:25,134 as Premier Mosaddegh, with his parliament behind him, 311 00:18:25,167 --> 00:18:27,934 firmly pursued his nationalist course. 312 00:18:28,767 --> 00:18:30,167 The same thing happened. 313 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:32,934 He had a great impact, not just on public opinion 314 00:18:32,968 --> 00:18:35,193 but on the judges there and those judges 315 00:18:35,234 --> 00:18:39,568 also refused to order him to give back the oil company. 316 00:18:39,601 --> 00:18:42,868 So the British were running out of options. 317 00:18:42,901 --> 00:18:47,635 From their point of view Iran had stolen something 318 00:18:47,701 --> 00:18:49,569 that belonged to Britain. 319 00:18:49,601 --> 00:18:51,368 It seemed like an open and shut case. 320 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,734 "We had a contract with them. 321 00:18:52,767 --> 00:18:55,201 They gave us the right to own their oil. 322 00:18:55,242 --> 00:18:57,809 Now they want it back. But this is a contract, 323 00:18:57,834 --> 00:19:00,301 it cannot be violated, they signed it." 324 00:19:00,334 --> 00:19:02,501 The United Nations did not accept this argument; 325 00:19:02,534 --> 00:19:04,435 the World Court did not accept this argument. 326 00:19:04,501 --> 00:19:06,601 This was quite a shock for the British. 327 00:19:06,968 --> 00:19:08,802 The British tried to oust Mosaddegh 328 00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:10,659 by bribing members of Parliament. 329 00:19:10,667 --> 00:19:12,501 But Mosaddegh got wind of the plot, 330 00:19:12,567 --> 00:19:15,068 he promptly kicked the Brits out of the country. 331 00:19:16,033 --> 00:19:19,967 After the British Embassy in Tehran was closed 332 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,701 the British were more or less out of options. 333 00:19:22,734 --> 00:19:25,934 They had tried everything from blockading ports 334 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,701 to appeals to international bodies, threats, 335 00:19:28,734 --> 00:19:34,134 embargoes, everything. Now they didn't even have anyone in Iran. 336 00:19:34,501 --> 00:19:37,326 So they turned to the Americans. Churchill asked 337 00:19:37,367 --> 00:19:40,834 President Truman,"can you do us this favour? 338 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,167 Can you overthrow this madman 339 00:19:43,167 --> 00:19:46,068 who has taken away our oil company?" 340 00:19:46,133 --> 00:19:49,634 Harry Truman, I think, was violently opposed 341 00:19:49,667 --> 00:19:53,734 on principle to supporting the coup and Britain 342 00:19:53,801 --> 00:19:57,368 worked hard to get Harry Truman to support the coup. 343 00:19:57,701 --> 00:20:01,602 And Truman said "no". The CIA had never overthrown 344 00:20:01,634 --> 00:20:03,529 a government up to that time and it was 345 00:20:03,567 --> 00:20:06,901 Truman's firm belief that it never should. 346 00:20:07,367 --> 00:20:11,235 That seemed like the end of the line for Britain. 347 00:20:12,234 --> 00:20:15,634 Then, in November of 1952, a surge of excitement 348 00:20:15,667 --> 00:20:17,834 charged through the British foreign service. 349 00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:19,435 In Washington, a new President 350 00:20:19,501 --> 00:20:22,335 had been elected - Dwight Di. Eisenhower. 351 00:20:23,067 --> 00:20:24,901 IKE for President. IKE for President. 352 00:20:24,934 --> 00:20:26,902 You like IKE. I like IKE. 353 00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:29,201 Everybody likes IKE for President. 354 00:20:29,234 --> 00:20:31,135 Hang out the banner and beat the drum. 355 00:20:31,167 --> 00:20:33,035 We'll take IKE to Washington. 356 00:20:33,067 --> 00:20:35,134 We've got to get where we are going, 357 00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:37,101 travel day and night for President. 358 00:20:37,133 --> 00:20:40,867 Let Ladling go the other way. We'll all go with Ike. 359 00:20:40,934 --> 00:20:43,168 You like IKE. I like IKE. 360 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,168 Everybody likes IKE for President. 361 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,168 Hang up the banner and beat the drum. 362 00:20:47,234 --> 00:20:49,200 We'll take IKE to Washington. 363 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:49,202 We'll take IKE to Washington. We'll take IKE to Washington. 364 00:20:49,202 --> 00:20:52,967 We'll take IKE to Washington. 365 00:20:53,167 --> 00:20:55,668 Now is the time for all good Americans 366 00:20:55,701 --> 00:20:57,801 to come to the aid of their country. 367 00:20:59,467 --> 00:21:02,034 There was a fundamental disagreement 368 00:21:02,067 --> 00:21:05,358 between Truman and Eisenhower on the question of 369 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,924 whether Mosaddegh was the problem or the solution. 370 00:21:07,968 --> 00:21:11,569 Truman and his Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, 371 00:21:11,601 --> 00:21:15,235 had for some time been working fairly closely with Mosaddegh. 372 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:18,567 They had a fundamental sympathy towards Iran 373 00:21:18,701 --> 00:21:21,510 and its efforts to get itself out 374 00:21:21,534 --> 00:21:23,634 from under the influence of Great Britain. 375 00:21:23,701 --> 00:21:26,402 They became convinced that negotiations 376 00:21:26,434 --> 00:21:28,335 with Mosaddegh were the way to go. 377 00:21:28,467 --> 00:21:30,901 Eisenhower and his group, on the other hand, 378 00:21:30,934 --> 00:21:33,468 although they didn't reach this conclusion right away, 379 00:21:33,601 --> 00:21:37,569 were much more disposed towards finding some other solution. 380 00:21:38,968 --> 00:21:40,869 The British approached the incoming 381 00:21:40,934 --> 00:21:43,168 Republican Administration about overthrowing 382 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,567 Mosaddegh. 383 00:21:45,701 --> 00:21:48,901 John Foster Dulles, the new Secretary of State, 384 00:21:48,968 --> 00:21:50,769 had long railed against the dangers of 385 00:21:50,801 --> 00:21:52,201 communism. 386 00:21:52,234 --> 00:21:55,267 For much of his career, he had served as a top lawyer 387 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:57,867 for large mulch-national corporations. 388 00:21:58,467 --> 00:22:01,600 His brother Allen became the new director of the CIA. 389 00:22:01,834 --> 00:22:03,535 It was the first and only time that 390 00:22:03,601 --> 00:22:06,268 siblings controlled both the overt and covert sides 391 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:08,268 of American foreign policy. 392 00:22:09,567 --> 00:22:11,867 It wasn't hard for the British to talk the brothers 393 00:22:11,901 --> 00:22:14,034 into overthrowing Mosaddegh. 394 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,534 The Dulles brothers then sold the new president 395 00:22:16,567 --> 00:22:18,234 on the idea of a coup by playing the 396 00:22:18,267 --> 00:22:19,868 communist card. 397 00:22:20,601 --> 00:22:23,734 There's only one person in the whole Eisenhower administration 398 00:22:23,901 --> 00:22:26,602 whoever raises this question of Mosaddegh’s true beliefs 399 00:22:26,667 --> 00:22:29,401 and that person was President Eisenhower himself. 400 00:22:29,434 --> 00:22:32,235 There was a meeting of the National Security Council 401 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:34,367 at which Eisenhower said something like 402 00:22:34,667 --> 00:22:37,401 "I'm glad we're overthrowing this communist Mosaddegh 403 00:22:37,467 --> 00:22:39,834 but I actually wasn't aware that he really was 404 00:22:39,868 --> 00:22:43,402 a communist" and Dulles had a great answer. 405 00:22:43,534 --> 00:22:46,660 Dulles said"well it's true that Mosaddegh 406 00:22:46,701 --> 00:22:50,001 is not a communist, however Mosaddegh 407 00:22:50,033 --> 00:22:54,400 is an elderly man, he could die, he could be overthrown. 408 00:22:54,667 --> 00:22:57,129 That would produce instability in Iran. 409 00:22:57,167 --> 00:22:59,762 There is a communist party in Iran. 410 00:23:00,067 --> 00:23:03,001 Iran is on the border with the Soviet Union, 411 00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:06,867 therefore circumstances could unfold in a way 412 00:23:06,908 --> 00:23:09,642 that might leave Iran open to communism." 413 00:23:09,701 --> 00:23:11,901 And then the straw that breaks the camel's back 414 00:23:11,934 --> 00:23:13,560 is"the Soviets are coming." 415 00:23:13,601 --> 00:23:15,268 Where have we heard this before? 416 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,134 "The Soviets are coming, the Soviets are coming." 417 00:23:17,167 --> 00:23:18,668 When Eisenhower heard that he said 418 00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:20,302 "okay, you've convinced me." 419 00:23:20,601 --> 00:23:23,102 And Eisenhower approves it and it goes ahead 420 00:23:23,234 --> 00:23:25,501 and there's one other thing operating here. 421 00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:28,567 Eisenhower has this incredible aversion for war, 422 00:23:28,601 --> 00:23:31,402 not so counter intuitive if you think about it for a moment. 423 00:23:31,567 --> 00:23:34,567 He doesn't want to see a nuclear war in particular 424 00:23:35,033 --> 00:23:37,800 and so he develops this penchant 425 00:23:37,834 --> 00:23:39,668 for clandestine operations 426 00:23:39,868 --> 00:23:43,935 because compared to war they're cheap. 427 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,400 After the Eisenhower administration made its decision 428 00:23:52,434 --> 00:23:54,701 to overthrow Mosaddegh, Allen Dulles 429 00:23:54,734 --> 00:23:57,468 selected Kermit Roosevelt to carry out the coup. 430 00:23:57,634 --> 00:24:02,676 Kermit Roosevelt was the grandson of Theodore Roosevelt. 431 00:24:02,767 --> 00:24:05,800 He's very well educated, my god he's a Roosevelt. 432 00:24:05,834 --> 00:24:08,735 He is full of energy, the energy of youth, 433 00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:11,167 the dynamism of youth and good education 434 00:24:11,234 --> 00:24:13,634 and he wants to serve his country but he wants to do it 435 00:24:13,667 --> 00:24:15,700 in a secretive way, he wants to do it 436 00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:18,501 in an adventurous way, he wants to do it overseas and so forth. 437 00:24:18,567 --> 00:24:21,834 - As the chief of the Middle East section of the CIA 438 00:24:21,868 --> 00:24:23,369 he was the logical choice. 439 00:24:23,467 --> 00:24:26,467 So he's the perfect person for this kind of operation. 440 00:24:26,801 --> 00:24:31,001 At the beginning of August, 1953 Kermit Roosevelt 441 00:24:31,033 --> 00:24:36,367 arrived in Tehran and began this covert operation. 442 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,067 It's really a fascinating operation to study 443 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:41,200 because it answers this odd question; 444 00:24:41,234 --> 00:24:43,202 how do you overthrow a government? 445 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:45,134 Suppose you get sent to a country and you're told 446 00:24:45,167 --> 00:24:48,401 "overthrow the government" so what do you do on the first day? 447 00:24:48,467 --> 00:24:50,168 What do you do on the second day? 448 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,286 Kermit Roosevelt, who really was something 449 00:24:53,334 --> 00:24:55,367 like a true life James Bond, 450 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,001 carried out a very effective policy. 451 00:24:58,501 --> 00:25:01,335 Roosevelt bribed tribal leaders and newspaper editors 452 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,967 who now claimed that Mosaddegh was a dictator and had to go. 453 00:25:05,067 --> 00:25:07,267 Every day they were printing articles about 454 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,634 how evil Mosaddegh was, that he was a Jew, 455 00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:13,034 he was a homosexual, he was a criminal, 456 00:25:13,067 --> 00:25:14,668 he was an agent of the British; 457 00:25:14,701 --> 00:25:17,068 anything they could think of to undermine him. 458 00:25:17,133 --> 00:25:18,800 Leaving nothing to chance, 459 00:25:18,968 --> 00:25:22,001 Roosevelt bribed military officers, religious leaders, 460 00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:24,001 and members of Parliament. 461 00:25:24,601 --> 00:25:26,768 One of the most interesting things 462 00:25:26,801 --> 00:25:30,468 that Kermit Roosevelt did, besides bribing 463 00:25:30,501 --> 00:25:32,801 members of parliament and military officers 464 00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:36,368 and everyone else, was his decision 465 00:25:36,467 --> 00:25:39,573 to throw Tehran into chaos. 466 00:25:39,601 --> 00:25:43,068 He had this idea that if there were riots 467 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:46,968 and outbreaks of violence every day around Tehran 468 00:25:47,033 --> 00:25:49,667 people would begin to think that Prime Minister Mosaddegh 469 00:25:49,701 --> 00:25:52,701 had completely lost control of the country. 470 00:25:52,767 --> 00:25:59,934 So as the coup day drew closer he bribed 471 00:26:00,033 --> 00:26:04,667 the chief leader of the protection rackets in Tehran, 472 00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:11,001 a guy named Shaman the Brainless, to turn out his mob. 473 00:26:11,067 --> 00:26:16,067 It was Kermit Roosevelt's idea that this gang, this mob, 474 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:19,467 should charge through the streets of Tehran, 475 00:26:19,501 --> 00:26:23,268 beat up pedestrians, break shop windows, 476 00:26:23,334 --> 00:26:26,401 fire guns into mosques and then yell 477 00:26:26,534 --> 00:26:29,667 "up with communism, we love Mosaddegh" 478 00:26:30,133 --> 00:26:31,900 and that wasn't even enough. 479 00:26:31,934 --> 00:26:33,835 Kermit Roosevelt had an even better idea. 480 00:26:33,868 --> 00:26:37,968 He hired another mob to attack that mob. 481 00:26:38,501 --> 00:26:42,068 That created a huge outbreak of street violence. 482 00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:45,835 The first idea that Kermit Roosevelt had 483 00:26:45,872 --> 00:26:49,106 was to bring the Shah into the plot. 484 00:26:49,734 --> 00:26:51,501 The British had occupied Iran 485 00:26:51,534 --> 00:26:54,301 during the second world war, at which time they placed 486 00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:56,601 Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on the throne 487 00:26:56,634 --> 00:26:58,602 as Shah or"King". 488 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,867 Prior to doing so, they forced the Shah's father 489 00:27:03,901 --> 00:27:06,668 - a ruthless strongman - to abdicate the throne 490 00:27:06,701 --> 00:27:09,569 due to suspected pro-Nazi sympathies. 491 00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:11,968 In placing the son on the throne, 492 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,667 the Brits hoped the younger, weaker Shah would be 493 00:27:14,701 --> 00:27:16,368 easier to control. 494 00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:21,334 The Shah was a great coward and a great pipsqueak 495 00:27:21,367 --> 00:27:23,767 and real afraid cat, very much different 496 00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:26,468 from the image that we had of him 20 years later. 497 00:27:26,534 --> 00:27:29,649 He was terrified of becoming involved in this operation 498 00:27:29,667 --> 00:27:32,834 because he feared, perhaps quite rightly, 499 00:27:32,901 --> 00:27:35,535 that if it went wrong he'd be finished, 500 00:27:35,567 --> 00:27:37,034 he'd be chased all out of the country. 501 00:27:37,067 --> 00:27:39,534 This was really dicey up to the last minute. 502 00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:42,001 The Shah even didn't think this was gonna work. 503 00:27:42,033 --> 00:27:44,166 They had to fly his sister in, for example, 504 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,367 who was hated and didn't even wanna go, 505 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,201 to try and convince him to do it. 506 00:27:49,233 --> 00:27:52,500 It took a great deal of persuasion and a lot of pressure 507 00:27:52,534 --> 00:27:54,567 by Kermit Roosevelt and a number of people 508 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,267 that he brought in to persuade the Shah to join the plot. 509 00:27:58,333 --> 00:28:44,667 [music] 510 00:28:47,634 --> 00:28:51,301 Now what did Kermit Roosevelt want the Shah to do? 511 00:28:51,333 --> 00:28:56,867 It was his idea that the Shah should sign two orders, 512 00:28:56,933 --> 00:28:59,233 "firmands" they're called in Farsi. 513 00:28:59,267 --> 00:29:02,601 The first order dismisses Mosaddegh as Prime Minister 514 00:29:02,666 --> 00:29:04,699 and the second order names 515 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,066 General Zahedi as his successor. 516 00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:12,768 So late one night, around midnight, one of the generals 517 00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:15,767 or a colonel at that time, loyal to the Shah, 518 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,133 arrived with a few soldiers at Mosaddegh’s house, 519 00:29:19,167 --> 00:29:23,101 bangs on the door and when the door is opened 520 00:29:23,133 --> 00:29:27,300 says, "I have two orders from the Shah." 521 00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:30,500 Now everyone, including the Shah and Kermit Roosevelt 522 00:29:30,567 --> 00:29:32,368 understood what Mosaddegh’s reaction 523 00:29:32,467 --> 00:29:33,301 to these orders would be. 524 00:29:33,333 --> 00:29:36,100 He would say"these are illegal, I reject these orders. 525 00:29:36,133 --> 00:29:37,967 You have no right to name a new Prime Minister 526 00:29:38,033 --> 00:29:41,734 or to fire a Prime Minister without parliament's approval," 527 00:29:41,833 --> 00:29:46,267 and when he did that they would arrest him, that was the plan. 528 00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:50,234 That simple plan failed because Mosaddegh 529 00:29:50,267 --> 00:29:56,300 actually got wind of the plan so when the Shah's troops 530 00:29:56,333 --> 00:29:59,633 came to Mosaddegh’s home to arrest him 531 00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:03,966 Mosaddegh had actually more troops there waiting for them. 532 00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:08,033 So they arrested the Shah's kernel. 533 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:11,934 The next morning Radio Tehran broadcast the news 534 00:30:11,966 --> 00:30:13,366 that a British plot, 535 00:30:14,066 --> 00:30:17,266 that's what the Iranians, naively thought it was, 536 00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:18,533 had been crushed. 537 00:30:18,733 --> 00:30:21,967 When the Shah heard this he fled the country immediately 538 00:30:22,033 --> 00:30:24,600 and went to Baghdad and then on to Rome. 539 00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:27,867 The CIA cabled Roosevelt that the situation had become 540 00:30:27,966 --> 00:30:31,400 too dangerous and to leave Tehran at once. 541 00:30:32,534 --> 00:30:36,567 Kermit Roosevelt, however, thought to himself 542 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,800 "wait, I can still do this; I have many assets 543 00:30:38,833 --> 00:30:40,467 I haven't used yet. 544 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,999 I can still get this done" and showing the resourcefulness, 545 00:30:46,066 --> 00:30:50,567 for which he became famous, he decided to stay on in Tehran 546 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600 and try, four days later, to stage another coup. 547 00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:55,534 For the next several days, 548 00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:58,001 Roosevelt played the roll of puppeteer. 549 00:30:58,033 --> 00:31:00,567 Throwing Tehran deeper into chaos, he had one 550 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,134 gang take to the streets, followed by another. 551 00:31:04,167 --> 00:31:06,701 After Mullahs marched to denounce Mosaddegh, 552 00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:09,300 he had the military storm the streets. 553 00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:13,934 They never had any idea that there was such a person 554 00:31:13,966 --> 00:31:16,834 as Kermit Roosevelt, that he was operating 555 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,000 in the basement of the US Embassy. 556 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:23,034 When two Iranian agents working for the CIA got cold feet, 557 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,633 Roosevelt made them an offer they couldn't refuse. 558 00:31:27,133 --> 00:31:28,767 Kermit Roosevelt produced a valise 559 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,266 with 50,000 dollars in cash. 560 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:34,534 He told them: "if you agree to continue helping me 561 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,700 I'll give you this 50,000 dollars, and by the way, 562 00:31:37,766 --> 00:31:40,200 if you don't I'm gonna kill you." 563 00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:43,567 Considering that option they changed their mind 564 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,267 and decided to help. 565 00:31:50,933 --> 00:31:53,767 Roosevelt knew that the other officers under his control 566 00:31:53,833 --> 00:31:56,767 hadn't been touched yet. He had Loyd Henderson, 567 00:31:56,833 --> 00:32:00,367 the US Ambassador deliver a message to Mosaddegh: 568 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,567 establish law and order and clear the streets 569 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,633 of demonstrators or the US would cease 570 00:32:04,666 --> 00:32:07,033 to recognize him as prime minister. 571 00:32:07,066 --> 00:32:10,266 Henderson falsely claimed that American lives were at risk. 572 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:14,234 Mosaddegh fell for the trap and effectively disarmed himself. 573 00:32:14,267 --> 00:32:16,868 He ordered his supporters off the streets, and established 574 00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:19,033 martial law which allowed the coup plotters 575 00:32:19,066 --> 00:32:21,900 to gain access to needed fuel and weapons. 576 00:32:21,933 --> 00:32:24,801 The military officers in on the plot then rolled their tanks 577 00:32:24,833 --> 00:32:28,300 into Tehran - not to clear the streets of demonstrators, 578 00:32:28,333 --> 00:32:30,433 but to arrest Mosaddegh. 579 00:32:30,467 --> 00:32:33,435 At Mosaddegh's residence there was a final fire fight. 580 00:32:33,467 --> 00:32:36,034 Mosaddegh’s men with their 3 tanks were no match 581 00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:39,166 for the 36 tanks that besieged the residence, 582 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,667 which was soon destroyed. 583 00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:44,701 Finally, late at night, the firing stopped. 584 00:32:44,733 --> 00:32:46,434 The people inside fled. 585 00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:49,567 Mosaddegh jumped over a back wall and disappeared. 586 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,834 The house was looted. They brought out whatever 587 00:32:51,866 --> 00:32:55,367 they could find and some of Mosaddegh’s personal furnishings 588 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,567 were actually for sale on the street. His refrigerator 589 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,568 was sold to somebody for about 35 dollars. 590 00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:05,468 It was time to deliver the coup DE grace, 591 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,533 that was the naming of Zahedi. 592 00:33:08,433 --> 00:33:11,034 To head up the coup, the CIA had chosen 593 00:33:11,066 --> 00:33:15,066 Fazlollah Zahedi who had a reputation for ruthlessness. 594 00:33:15,467 --> 00:33:19,335 General Zahedi had spent WWII in a British internment camp 595 00:33:19,367 --> 00:33:22,701 due to his connections to Nazi agents. 596 00:33:23,634 --> 00:33:27,335 Now General Zahedi was in the custody, essentially, 597 00:33:27,367 --> 00:33:30,934 of Kermit Roosevelt. Roosevelt had stashed him at a safe house 598 00:33:30,966 --> 00:33:33,333 near the American Embassy. 599 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,067 So he arrived there to tell him, "everything's worked out, 600 00:33:37,133 --> 00:33:39,900 it's all set, you're gonna be the Prime Minister." 601 00:33:39,933 --> 00:33:41,901 The guy was just sitting there in his underwear 602 00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:44,933 waiting for news. Zahedi was brought out onto the streets 603 00:33:44,966 --> 00:33:49,333 and rode aboard a tank through the streets of Tehran 604 00:33:49,367 --> 00:33:52,500 to the radio station where he was to make his statement 605 00:33:52,534 --> 00:33:55,101 announcing that Mosaddegh was overthrown 606 00:33:55,133 --> 00:33:57,467 and, "I'm now your new Prime Minister." 607 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:01,034 It was quite a festive event although there was one hitch. 608 00:34:01,066 --> 00:34:04,300 As he was about to make his radio speech 609 00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,366 the radio announcers decided we need some marshal music 610 00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:11,533 to show that Iranian patriotism has finally triumphed. 611 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,601 So he went running off, according to this account, 612 00:34:14,634 --> 00:34:19,968 to the Embassy library, pulled the first, you know, 613 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,901 record album that he could find off the shelf 614 00:34:22,933 --> 00:34:25,700 and immediately put this record on the turntable 615 00:34:25,733 --> 00:34:28,167 and the very first song that came out 616 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,567 was The Star-Spangled Banner. 617 00:34:32,433 --> 00:34:34,934 So this was another kind of wink of history 618 00:34:34,966 --> 00:34:37,233 maybe since it actually was the Americans 619 00:34:37,267 --> 00:34:39,834 who were coming to power. That was quickly changed. 620 00:34:39,866 --> 00:34:43,100 Iranian music was put on. Zahedi made his speech, 621 00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:46,300 announced that the evil Mosaddegh was gone 622 00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:49,400 and, "I will now take over and restore Iran's greatness." 623 00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:54,567 The Shah was sitting at lunch in a hotel in Rome, 624 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,367 probably thinking to himself what he was gonna do now. 625 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,667 He had already told people he would have to look for work 626 00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:03,567 because he wasn't gonna be able to go back to Iran. 627 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,600 Suddenly some news reporters burst in and handed him 628 00:35:07,634 --> 00:35:09,868 the news and they said, "you're back. 629 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,200 The coup... there was another coup... it succeeded. 630 00:35:12,233 --> 00:35:14,633 You're back on, you're gonna be the king." 631 00:35:14,699 --> 00:35:17,333 He was in complete shock and, for some time, 632 00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:22,168 couldn't speak at all. Finally, his first words were 633 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,233 "I knew it, they love me." 634 00:35:26,433 --> 00:35:28,833 Back at the US Embassy, the champagne flowed 635 00:35:28,866 --> 00:35:30,467 as jubilation reigned. 636 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:32,368 The message the Dulles brothers took away 637 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,433 was that they had a whole new way to shape world events. 638 00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:38,600 After the coup several hundred military officers were arrested, 639 00:35:38,699 --> 00:35:40,667 about 60 were executed. 640 00:35:40,699 --> 00:35:44,033 There was a purge of all officers who were deemed loyal 641 00:35:44,066 --> 00:35:46,266 to the democratic government 642 00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,934 and not loyal to Zahedi or the Shah. 643 00:35:48,966 --> 00:35:51,567 It was a way of cleansing the army and doing something 644 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,334 that Mosaddegh had refused to do, which is build 645 00:35:54,367 --> 00:35:58,235 an army loyal to the people in power at that moment. 646 00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:01,834 For his part in the coup, Zahedi was paid 647 00:36:01,866 --> 00:36:04,300 5 million dollars by the CIA. 648 00:36:04,933 --> 00:36:07,400 The oil industry was denationalized. 649 00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,866 An international consortium was formed with 650 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,734 40 percent of the shares now going to American companies. 651 00:36:14,699 --> 00:36:18,133 Profits were split with Iran on a 50/50 basis. 652 00:36:18,167 --> 00:36:21,068 But the British effectively retained overall control, 653 00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:25,467 and its oil company renamed itself British Petroleum. 654 00:36:29,666 --> 00:36:32,433 Three months after the coup, Mosaddegh was tried 655 00:36:32,467 --> 00:36:35,834 in a military court on trumped-up chargers of treason. 656 00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:40,034 His fiery defense electrified the courtroom 657 00:36:40,066 --> 00:36:42,533 and is still remembered today. 658 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:45,167 [applause] 659 00:39:15,666 --> 00:39:19,066 Well the McCarthy era was a dark time in the United States. 660 00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:23,434 This was from about 1950 to '54 thereabouts when McCarthy 661 00:39:23,467 --> 00:39:27,867 was on the scene and he both was created by 662 00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:31,967 and came to symbolize this period of absolute fear 663 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,067 of communism, excessive fear, hysteria, as it's often called. 664 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,500 I intend to go into those States and give the American people 665 00:39:41,534 --> 00:39:46,368 the cold documented picture of the sell-out in Korea, 666 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,800 the extent to which communism has been directing 667 00:39:49,833 --> 00:39:54,167 our foreign policy, our suicidal foreign policy if you please. 668 00:39:54,367 --> 00:40:01,534 It was a time that created pressures against different 669 00:40:01,567 --> 00:40:04,734 American administrations, presidential administrations, 670 00:40:04,766 --> 00:40:08,066 to move their policies to the right. John Foster Dulles 671 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:12,701 was one of the big proponents of rollback of communism 672 00:40:12,766 --> 00:40:16,333 under the Eisenhower administration. He had been, 673 00:40:16,367 --> 00:40:21,134 for a long time, an outspoken critic of Truman's policies, 674 00:40:21,167 --> 00:40:25,035 about the fears of the United States being soft on communism 675 00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:30,700 and he is known for being a vocal advocate of pushing back 676 00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:34,434 hard against the communists. He later admitted that 677 00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:37,068 he tended to exaggerate the threat, 678 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:39,601 purely because it served certain interests. 679 00:40:39,666 --> 00:40:42,400 I think the conclusion that the Soviets didn't have 680 00:40:42,433 --> 00:40:47,267 any real implementable, executable designs on Iran 681 00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:51,567 in '52, '53, '54, I think it's a pretty sound conclusion 682 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,568 but on the other side of that coin an even sounder conclusion 683 00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:01,000 I think is that, at this time, the so-called communists, 684 00:41:01,033 --> 00:41:05,100 the Tutor, in Iran was indisposed 685 00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:07,300 to be a lackey of the Soviet Union. 686 00:41:07,333 --> 00:41:10,733 Basically they were an indigenous group, 687 00:41:10,766 --> 00:41:14,267 not a common turn group, not a group that was recruited 688 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,467 and funded and marshaled in Moscow and sent to Iran. 689 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,967 The ideas of communism were certainly very much opposed 690 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,701 to Mosaddegh’s idea. 691 00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:25,766 You could speculate on whether circumstances might 692 00:41:25,799 --> 00:41:27,966 have changed over time and communist influence 693 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,300 might have grown there. 694 00:41:29,367 --> 00:41:32,500 The question of communism threat is often used 695 00:41:32,534 --> 00:41:35,667 as a rhetorical when it's useful. 696 00:41:35,866 --> 00:41:41,133 So in the early part, when the oil crisis starts, the Americans 697 00:41:41,167 --> 00:41:46,334 keep pressuring the British to actually deal with Mosaddegh 698 00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:50,767 and the Americans say to the British"if you don't deal, 699 00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:53,966 Mosaddegh will be overthrown and the communists move in" 700 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,133 and the British pooh-poohs this and say 701 00:41:56,167 --> 00:41:58,300 "there's absolutely no danger of that. 702 00:41:58,333 --> 00:42:01,134 We can pressure Mosaddegh as much as we want, 703 00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:05,234 there's no communist threat." Later on you find the British 704 00:42:05,267 --> 00:42:08,601 then say: "we have to get rid of Mosaddegh to stop 705 00:42:08,634 --> 00:42:13,034 the communist guy" and then people like Acheson are then 706 00:42:13,066 --> 00:42:16,800 repeating the earlier British pooh-poohing that really 707 00:42:16,833 --> 00:42:21,667 there's no real danger of a communist takeover. At the time, 708 00:42:21,699 --> 00:42:25,633 of course, you can say the discourse in the West 709 00:42:25,666 --> 00:42:28,500 was the communist danger. So if you want to get anything 710 00:42:28,534 --> 00:42:31,435 done you say that. Nowadays you can say the discourse 711 00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:36,534 is international terrorism and you can justify anything. 712 00:42:37,033 --> 00:42:41,133 But even the Dulles brothers' view that this country 713 00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:43,668 was very susceptible to communist takeover 714 00:42:43,699 --> 00:42:46,300 is something that they developed themselves 715 00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:49,767 and is quite dubious from historical perspective. 716 00:42:49,966 --> 00:42:54,633 The distortion we usually get in the conventional view 717 00:42:54,666 --> 00:42:57,634 of the coup is that it's part of the Cold War; 718 00:42:57,666 --> 00:43:02,600 it's the US/USSR rivalry that leaves the CIA to carry out 719 00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:07,567 the coup. I would argue that the coup's really rooted 720 00:43:07,634 --> 00:43:13,335 in the oil crisis, when Iran nationalized the oil company. 721 00:43:13,733 --> 00:43:17,267 This wasn't just a threat to the British; it was as much 722 00:43:17,333 --> 00:43:20,600 a threat actually to all the Western companies including 723 00:43:20,634 --> 00:43:23,301 the American companies because the same thing 724 00:43:23,333 --> 00:43:26,433 could happen to American companies in the Middle East 725 00:43:26,467 --> 00:43:28,368 or South America. 726 00:43:32,233 --> 00:43:40,266 The summer of 1953 was a turbulent time and of course 727 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,834 very threatening and dangerous for Mosaddegh. 728 00:43:43,866 --> 00:43:48,834 Mosaddegh’s house should have been sacrosanct. 729 00:43:48,866 --> 00:43:53,433 It was not and the mob went after it. 730 00:43:53,467 --> 00:43:58,500 I was horrified by the bloodletting in the streets. 731 00:43:58,534 --> 00:44:02,734 There were tanks attacking the house, there was a lot 732 00:44:02,766 --> 00:44:09,300 of killing then. 300 people died in that couple of hours. 733 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,167 I interviewed the Shah amongst a group of reporters there; 734 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,600 me and people from United Press and he just was kind 735 00:44:18,634 --> 00:44:22,602 of bubbling over with glee at having been saved. 736 00:44:22,866 --> 00:44:29,200 I met Kermit Roosevelt for the first time after the coup. 737 00:44:29,267 --> 00:44:33,300 I had several discussions with him later about 738 00:44:33,367 --> 00:44:37,068 "do you really think now that was a good idea?" 739 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,367 and he said, "oh yes, it gave us another 20 years 740 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,667 or something like that." It was the most reactionary, 741 00:44:46,699 --> 00:44:51,400 he was obeying orders Kermit was. 742 00:44:51,433 --> 00:44:58,034 I think he truly believed in his mission. 743 00:44:58,066 --> 00:45:01,800 - The '53 coup is like a guillotine in Iran, 744 00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:05,200 it inaugurated a massive repression 745 00:45:05,233 --> 00:45:09,233 and it changed the landscape so the political situation, 746 00:45:09,267 --> 00:45:14,034 besides being more repressive, secular organizations 747 00:45:14,066 --> 00:45:19,400 like the National Front, the Etude Party, 748 00:45:19,433 --> 00:45:25,067 were in fact disassembled, they've dismantled. 749 00:45:25,666 --> 00:45:28,167 They couldn't function after '53. 750 00:45:28,866 --> 00:45:33,467 The '53 coup was clearly a big success for the CIA 751 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:38,567 as they saw it at the time and it fit perfectly with the ideas 752 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,767 of President Eisenhower, the Dulles brothers and others 753 00:45:41,799 --> 00:45:43,899 who thought that covert operations 754 00:45:43,933 --> 00:45:48,133 was a very powerful tool in US foreign policy 755 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,134 and it clearly served as a model or, you know, 756 00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,768 provided lessons for future operations, 757 00:45:55,833 --> 00:45:58,966 including the following year, in 1954, in Guatemala. 758 00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,734 At the time this coup seemed like a great success 759 00:46:02,866 --> 00:46:06,100 but let's look back at it from the perspective of history, 760 00:46:06,167 --> 00:46:07,734 from the perspective of today. 761 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:12,300 The Shah ruled for 25 years, with increasing repression 762 00:46:12,733 --> 00:46:16,267 His repression produced the explosion of the late 1970's, 763 00:46:16,966 --> 00:46:19,533 what we call the Islamic revolution. 764 00:46:19,567 --> 00:46:23,535 That revolution brought to power a clerk 765 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,101 of fanatically anti-American Mulls, 766 00:46:27,233 --> 00:46:29,633 who had spent the next quarter century, 767 00:46:29,866 --> 00:46:32,100 vigorously and sometimes very violently, 768 00:46:32,167 --> 00:46:35,467 trying to undermine western power all over the world. 769 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,367 So from the perspective of history, this 770 00:46:39,433 --> 00:46:43,401 coup doesn't quite so successful at all. 771 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:48,101 A lot of history came out of three weeks in Tehran, 772 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,667 in the summer of 1953. 773 00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:51,167 These people remember this, 774 00:46:51,233 --> 00:46:55,667 even if it's not something that necessarily happened yesterday, 775 00:46:55,699 --> 00:46:59,066 you have to remember, Iran is a country with very long history. 776 00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:05,133 It is a culture that is very much dependent on people, 777 00:47:05,233 --> 00:47:07,167 understanding and knowing it's history. 778 00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:09,400 So something that happened 50 or 60 years ago, 779 00:47:09,467 --> 00:47:11,968 is not that very far back for a country 780 00:47:12,033 --> 00:47:14,667 who's history stretches 3000 years. 781 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,100 What's interesting about 53, 782 00:47:18,233 --> 00:47:21,934 that is the episode, that is the time 783 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,801 in which America in the Iranian mindsets, 784 00:47:26,066 --> 00:47:29,533 becomes a violator, becomes an aggressor. 785 00:47:29,634 --> 00:47:31,101 Prior to that, 786 00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:34,333 the view of Americans and the view of America 787 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,767 amongst Iranian public, was an extremely positive one 788 00:47:38,066 --> 00:47:42,600 and well deserving so because America was correctly viewed 789 00:47:42,699 --> 00:47:48,333 as an anti colonial power, who opposed colonization, 790 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,433 who itself had fought a war of independence against who, 791 00:47:53,133 --> 00:47:54,634 Great Britain. 792 00:47:54,900 --> 00:48:01,734 [music] 793 00:48:02,066 --> 00:48:05,300 You know we in the United States have short memories, 794 00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,667 people in the Middle East never forget and I 795 00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:12,133 think there is a political truth to that and the Iranian people 796 00:48:12,233 --> 00:48:14,034 I believe know all about it but 797 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,634 the average American doesn't have the vaguest idea 798 00:48:16,734 --> 00:48:20,501 that we interfered with an elected government. 799 00:48:20,868 --> 00:48:24,335 What bothers me so much, is that the American people believe that 800 00:48:24,433 --> 00:48:25,934 we can do no harm, 801 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,334 that we are willing to go to war, start a war 802 00:48:29,433 --> 00:48:34,367 to promote democracy with force, at the same time, 803 00:48:34,433 --> 00:48:37,234 sometimes when there's a leader in a country that's been elected 804 00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:39,201 even in recent years. 805 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:40,901 elected leaders in the middle east, 806 00:48:41,133 --> 00:48:43,200 we don't like them, we don't support them. 807 00:48:43,634 --> 00:48:47,801 What CIA for many years has warned about blow back 808 00:48:48,066 --> 00:48:51,266 I know that when I brought that term up in the presidential 809 00:48:51,333 --> 00:48:55,366 debate, it wasn't my term and I referenced it to it haven't been 810 00:48:55,433 --> 00:48:58,934 established by the CIA, because they knew and understood this 811 00:48:59,033 --> 00:49:03,033 that they can come back on us, it was an unintended consequence 812 00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,034 We should know what went on in 1953, 813 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,801 what happened with the coup there 814 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:08,200 but I think that 815 00:49:08,267 --> 00:49:11,235 the goal of all individuals ot to be to know the truth 816 00:49:11,367 --> 00:49:13,834 The truth about our history and not to hide from us 817 00:49:13,933 --> 00:49:17,133 and when history is distorted, I think we 818 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,034 just continue to make mistakes. 819 00:49:19,133 --> 00:49:21,834 So history is helpful if we're honest with ourselves. 820 00:49:21,933 --> 00:49:23,300 I think that's the most important thing 821 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,134 for any country or any people, is to be honest with ourselves 822 00:49:27,467 --> 00:49:31,801 because when your own government does harm and you ignore it, 823 00:49:32,033 --> 00:49:34,534 or pretended it never existed or defend it 824 00:49:34,634 --> 00:49:37,101 for the wrong reasons, it's very detrimental. 825 00:49:37,733 --> 00:49:39,267 If the United States 826 00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,934 had not overthrown the Mosaddegh government 827 00:49:42,066 --> 00:49:44,300 it's at least conceivable that democracy 828 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,867 would've continued to thrive and consolidate itself in Iran. 829 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,300 We might have had a stable democracy 830 00:49:52,367 --> 00:49:57,901 in the heart of the Muslim middle east, all these 50 years. 831 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,868 I can hardly wrap my mind around how different 832 00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:04,167 the middle east might look today, had that been the case. 833 00:50:04,799 --> 00:50:26,866 [music] 834 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,767 The idea that 835 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,801 it is necessary nefarious, it's always engaged in 836 00:50:32,866 --> 00:50:34,467 overthrowing governments, that's false. 837 00:50:34,634 --> 00:50:35,968 Asides from the birds. 838 00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:38,200 The government of Mosaddegh if you recall 839 00:50:38,267 --> 00:50:40,768 His was over thrown by the accident, the Shah. 840 00:50:40,866 --> 00:50:42,433 As far a I know, we don't engage in 841 00:50:42,534 --> 00:50:45,168 assassinations and kidnappings and things of that kind. 842 00:50:45,666 --> 00:50:47,634 As far as I know, we never have. 843 00:50:49,167 --> 00:50:52,567 I hope I have a reasonable moral standard. 844 00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:57,634 Well the Iranians were organizing themselves 845 00:50:58,467 --> 00:51:03,634 and really all they needed was support and to some extent 846 00:51:03,766 --> 00:51:05,066 professional guidance. 847 00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:13,501 It was my feeling then, that remains my feeling 848 00:51:13,799 --> 00:51:15,533 that the British understood the extent 849 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,600 of paranoia in this country concerning communism 850 00:51:20,666 --> 00:51:22,833 this was the day of Joel McCarthy 851 00:51:22,933 --> 00:51:26,933 and the British consciously played on that fear in order to 852 00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,934 help persuade us, to involve ourselves in the coup. 853 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,434 What we did from Washington, was to write some of the articles 854 00:51:34,534 --> 00:51:36,435 that would appear on the Persian press 855 00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:40,968 and these articles would appear thanks to the Dravidian’s 856 00:51:41,066 --> 00:51:42,466 who had contacts I believe 857 00:51:42,534 --> 00:51:45,634 with probably 4/5 of the Iranian press 858 00:51:46,033 --> 00:51:47,834 and they were designed to show most of that 859 00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:52,667 as a communist collaborator and as a fanatic, as a person 860 00:51:52,733 --> 00:51:56,100 who didn't understand that you could be 861 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,200 both nationalistic and positive. 862 00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,633 These two agents 863 00:51:59,699 --> 00:52:04,200 saw the opportunity, and sent the people we had 864 00:52:04,267 --> 00:52:06,534 under our control, into the streets 865 00:52:06,634 --> 00:52:08,834 and acted as if they were today. 866 00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:12,367 They were provocateurs. We had more than just 867 00:52:12,467 --> 00:52:14,068 provocateurs we had a lot of shot troops 868 00:52:14,133 --> 00:52:16,300 who actually acted as if they were two dead people 869 00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:20,467 throwing rocks at mosques, at priests. 870 00:52:20,567 --> 00:52:23,934 That mob that came into north Tehran and was decisive in the 871 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,801 overthrow was a mercenary mob, had no ideology 872 00:52:27,866 --> 00:52:31,300 and that mob was paid for by American dollars 873 00:52:31,634 --> 00:52:34,368 and the amount of money that was used 874 00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:36,634 it has to have been very large. 875 00:52:38,033 --> 00:52:41,400 The CIA prepared a report on how the coup had be carried out. 876 00:52:42,433 --> 00:52:45,466 It would serve as a guide for conducting coups in the future 877 00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,934 bu the report left out key details. 878 00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:52,667 But even if we saw the full report, 879 00:52:52,799 --> 00:52:54,066 there were certain things 880 00:52:54,167 --> 00:52:58,300 the author Donald Wilbert wouldn't have put in there 881 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,700 because it wouldn't have been caution to put those in. 882 00:53:01,799 --> 00:53:05,400 Things such as the CIA working very closely 883 00:53:05,467 --> 00:53:07,600 with the Iranian Nazi party. 884 00:53:07,699 --> 00:53:10,832 That wouldn't have gone very well down in Washington. 885 00:53:10,966 --> 00:53:14,033 He also doesn't deal with actually 886 00:53:14,933 --> 00:53:16,667 questions of assassination 887 00:53:16,733 --> 00:53:21,467 which I suspect the MI6 and the CIA were involved. 888 00:53:21,601 --> 00:53:24,935 So that sort of sanitized out of the report. 889 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,033 I think that in the 53 coup, the CIA was much more involved 890 00:53:29,133 --> 00:53:30,667 in the actual mechanics in of coup 891 00:53:30,733 --> 00:53:32,900 that in other places like Guatemala 892 00:53:32,966 --> 00:53:35,733 or Indonesia and places 893 00:53:36,333 --> 00:53:40,100 So there's much more very incriminating information 894 00:53:40,333 --> 00:53:45,201 and that's why the CIA has been very reluctant to 895 00:53:45,267 --> 00:53:46,367 release the stuff. 896 00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,567 Well I remember the start of the CIA from when I was in college 897 00:53:50,634 --> 00:53:55,535 it had just been recently started, 1947 after the war. 898 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,767 The main purpose of course was so there 899 00:53:58,866 --> 00:54:00,899 would never be another pearl harbor 900 00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,034 When there were little snippets of information around 901 00:54:04,133 --> 00:54:07,467 and nobody to, these days we would say connect the dots. 902 00:54:07,534 --> 00:54:09,435 There was no one central place where 903 00:54:09,501 --> 00:54:11,235 all this information together 904 00:54:11,334 --> 00:54:13,634 and so Harry Truman was hell-bent and determined that 905 00:54:13,699 --> 00:54:16,033 would never happen again, there would be one central place which 906 00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:18,068 would be possessed of all the information 907 00:54:18,133 --> 00:54:21,500 available on a given country or situation. 908 00:54:22,534 --> 00:54:24,201 He was equally determined 909 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,268 to have it one place where he could go 910 00:54:26,333 --> 00:54:31,067 and say look, Mr.Director I want to know what you and those 911 00:54:31,367 --> 00:54:33,567 two universities worth of 912 00:54:33,634 --> 00:54:35,135 specialists out there in the woods 913 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,001 in Virginia. I want to know what you really think. 914 00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,700 I don't care what the State department is saying 915 00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:44,533 or the pentagon. The pentagon is telling me that the Russians 916 00:54:44,567 --> 00:54:46,667 are 10ft tall. I know they're not 10 ft tall. 917 00:54:46,766 --> 00:54:49,000 They may not be 5'9ft like you're saying, 918 00:54:49,066 --> 00:54:50,867 but I want to know what you think okay 919 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,033 No, speak to me in truth. And man, 920 00:54:57,534 --> 00:54:59,502 it was clear that that's what Truman Intended 921 00:54:59,966 --> 00:55:03,999 What we got instead, was an apparatus that seemed revel 922 00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,400 in covert operations, Clandestine operations 923 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:09,368 spend billions of tax payer dollars 924 00:55:09,434 --> 00:55:12,335 for those operations in total secrecy 925 00:55:12,367 --> 00:55:15,734 and expend blood and treasure in those operations, 926 00:55:15,799 --> 00:55:18,266 often times failing, in total secrecy. 927 00:55:18,666 --> 00:55:20,966 He wrote a not bad, I have a copy of it here. 928 00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,434 Not bad in the Washington Post 929 00:55:23,534 --> 00:55:29,001 December 22, 1963. As he watched these things happen 930 00:55:29,066 --> 00:55:32,099 you know, he watched Iran and he watched Guatemala and he saw 931 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,267 governments toppled and he said hey man, hey time out 932 00:55:36,367 --> 00:55:38,068 That's not what I intended here. 933 00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,168 It says he simply does not recognize 934 00:55:40,233 --> 00:55:43,000 the entity that he helped create in 1947 935 00:55:43,066 --> 00:55:47,967 in the CIA and clearly his angst is about the 936 00:55:48,033 --> 00:55:50,600 covert operations aspect of the CIA. 937 00:55:50,766 --> 00:55:54,866 and he sees it as a danger to the integrity and the health 938 00:55:54,966 --> 00:55:57,033 of our democratic republic. 939 00:55:57,933 --> 00:55:59,467 I have a copy of this, this thing. 940 00:55:59,699 --> 00:56:01,667 What he says is this, the title is 941 00:56:01,766 --> 00:56:04,400 Limit CIA Role To Intelligence 942 00:56:04,733 --> 00:56:08,367 Well ya, hello. That's what it's supposed to be all about right? 943 00:56:08,433 --> 00:56:09,267 Okay. 944 00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:13,368 Quote, I never thought that when I set up the CIA, 945 00:56:13,434 --> 00:56:16,101 it would be injected into peacetime 946 00:56:16,167 --> 00:56:18,035 cloak and dagger operations. 947 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,367 Now there are some searching questions 948 00:56:20,433 --> 00:56:22,334 that need to be answered. 949 00:56:22,433 --> 00:56:25,633 I, therefore, would like to see the CIA restored to 950 00:56:25,733 --> 00:56:28,200 it's original assignment as the intelligence arm of 951 00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:31,333 the President, and that whatever else it can properly 952 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,567 perform in that special field 953 00:56:33,634 --> 00:56:35,968 and that its operational duties be 954 00:56:36,033 --> 00:56:39,367 terminated or properly used elsewhere 955 00:56:39,467 --> 00:56:42,068 Well, you were right about a lot of things Harry. 956 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,901 you're dead right about that. 957 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,000 Truman ended his stinging rebuke of the CIA, 958 00:56:47,066 --> 00:56:48,199 by writing that "The agency 959 00:56:48,267 --> 00:56:50,400 is casting a shadow over our historic 960 00:56:50,467 --> 00:56:53,368 position and I feel that we need to correct it." 961 00:56:53,766 --> 00:56:56,333 Of course the Brits came over, as for our help, Allen Dulles 962 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,433 and yes that would be great covert action authorized by 963 00:56:58,534 --> 00:57:03,734 the President and so they went in and they overthrew Mosaddegh, 964 00:57:03,833 --> 00:57:08,500 They threw him out okay, now that's where history begins, 965 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,501 recent history for Iranians and Americans don't have 966 00:57:12,567 --> 00:57:17,501 any idea that there is this very legitimate grievance. 967 00:57:17,567 --> 00:57:19,734 and what came in? The Shah. 968 00:57:19,833 --> 00:57:24,200 What he did was bring in the most brutal secret police, 969 00:57:24,267 --> 00:57:28,101 bunch of torturers, second to none, even the German Gestapo. 970 00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:30,001 They were called Saks. 971 00:57:39,733 --> 00:57:41,601 With the help of American aid and training, 972 00:57:41,733 --> 00:57:46,967 Savak was created in 1957, it's name alone would come to strike 973 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,467 fear in the hearts and minds of Iran’s citizens. 974 00:57:53,467 --> 00:57:57,034 Well the Savak becomes essentially the secret police 975 00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:58,667 for the Shah and 976 00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:01,167 their training and education and their mode to 977 00:58:01,233 --> 00:58:05,700 stop Iranians so forth are more or less given to them 978 00:58:05,866 --> 00:58:10,400 by the CIA person personnel who are, as far as I can tell, 979 00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:13,434 are also some military involved in this. The CIA and the 980 00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:16,500 military often work together, a very 981 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,568 insidious relationship in my view. 982 00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:25,834 The 53 coup deprived the regime that ruled in Iran of legitimacy 983 00:58:26,233 --> 00:58:31,300 and the overwhelming majority of the people, even many of the 984 00:58:31,367 --> 00:58:33,268 people of were working for the regime. 985 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,900 They previewed the regime as dependent on the United States, 986 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,168 as fundamentally born of a sinful act. 987 00:58:41,866 --> 00:58:46,667 What Savak becomes for the Shah, is secret police do and 988 00:58:46,733 --> 00:58:50,000 many of these more autocratic societies, particularly when 989 00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:52,901 they're becoming more and more autocratic as the Shah was, 990 00:58:53,167 --> 00:58:58,068 is it takes care of all of it's oppositions, either arrest them 991 00:58:58,167 --> 00:59:02,934 and spirits them away to sites unknown, for purposes unknown, 992 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,567 never to be contacted again, buries them in the desert, 993 00:59:06,634 --> 00:59:08,901 or whatever but it becomes the 994 00:59:08,966 --> 00:59:12,966 Shah's way of dealing with residence and dealing with it 995 00:59:13,066 --> 00:59:16,667 in a very draconian harsh way and of course this just breeds 996 00:59:16,766 --> 00:59:19,799 more and more discontent amongst the populous in Iran and makes 997 00:59:19,866 --> 00:59:21,899 him look more and more the tyrant rather than 998 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,534 the beloved leader that he always wanted to be seen as. 999 00:59:25,933 --> 00:59:28,801 Under the Shah was unimaginable, 1000 00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:30,900 that anybody would say anything 1001 00:59:30,966 --> 00:59:35,366 critical within the political word, against anybody, 1002 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,934 absolutely not. 1003 00:59:37,966 --> 00:59:41,934 So it was a combination of not that Savak was all pervasive 1004 00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:43,233 or powerful 1005 00:59:43,433 --> 00:59:48,733 but the physiological perimeter’s of the Savak 1006 00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:50,134 and the political order 1007 00:59:50,367 --> 00:59:53,434 had created a situation that we were all 1008 00:59:53,699 --> 00:59:55,933 conscious and fearful of Savak. 1009 00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,767 So the aura was created that the Savak is everywhere 1010 01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:02,933 and it contributed to 1011 01:00:03,167 --> 01:00:05,634 the terrorization and internalization of 1012 01:00:05,733 --> 01:00:08,100 that terror in the society and the arch. 1013 01:00:08,367 --> 01:00:11,168 and I made so many trips to Savak’s office 1014 01:00:11,534 --> 01:00:12,667 answering questions 1015 01:00:12,733 --> 01:00:15,033 and just, sometimes they take you in 1016 01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:19,067 and you sit there for 5 hours and nobody comes out 1017 01:00:20,033 --> 01:00:22,567 and there are a number of other people sitting in the room 1018 01:00:22,634 --> 01:00:24,335 you're too fearful to say a word because 1019 01:00:24,367 --> 01:00:26,567 you don't know who they are. 1020 01:00:26,634 --> 01:00:27,701 So I did experience, 1021 01:00:27,799 --> 01:00:30,767 it was the very beginning, it became far more viscous 1022 01:00:30,966 --> 01:00:34,667 as time went on because it was the beginning of its formation 1023 01:00:34,701 --> 01:00:37,468 when I was still in Iran. 1024 01:00:37,833 --> 01:00:43,966 Several of our students you know, got refuge on the roofs 1025 01:00:44,534 --> 01:00:46,734 the fifth floor, the sixth floor, they threw them away 1026 01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:49,466 just threw them like garbage, down and many 1027 01:00:49,534 --> 01:00:54,601 people got killed that way, many people had broken legs or arms. 1028 01:00:55,567 --> 01:00:58,368 Being in the center of this torture chambers hearing all 1029 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,034 of these cries and screams coming everywhere. 1030 01:01:01,133 --> 01:01:05,001 I mean, I couldn't sleep for a minute, yet 24 hours. 1031 01:01:06,033 --> 01:01:08,200 because of this you are in solitary 1032 01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:12,801 and this guy is screaming kill me! Don't do that, just kill me! 1033 01:01:14,033 --> 01:01:17,934 I mean screams all over, you feel like you are there 1034 01:01:18,066 --> 01:01:20,967 and they handcuffed me this way 1035 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,367 there was this hook and they could 1036 01:01:24,467 --> 01:01:28,435 raise it so I could be kind of hanged from my hands 1037 01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:29,500 and the pain 1038 01:01:29,634 --> 01:01:43,968 [inaudible dialogue] 1039 01:01:44,033 --> 01:01:47,166 and death would be, I mean just a relief. 1040 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,134 This is difficult for you to talk about 1041 01:01:50,534 --> 01:01:52,135 it's a horrible experience. 1042 01:01:53,433 --> 01:01:55,067 You don't have to if you don’t want to. 1043 01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:58,799 I have a duty to say these things 1044 01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:01,334 for American people to know 1045 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,900 what it was like under the Shah. 1046 01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:09,333 The main reason that the Savak and the Shah was sent packing 1047 01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,633 was because ever other family in Iran knew somebody 1048 01:02:12,699 --> 01:02:15,233 or had one of the members of their family tortured 1049 01:02:15,567 --> 01:02:17,468 That's what torture brings you okay. 1050 01:02:17,866 --> 01:02:40,834 [music] 1051 01:02:41,467 --> 01:02:45,034 After 25 years of increasingly despotic by the Shah 1052 01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:48,001 millions of Iranians took to the streets 1053 01:02:48,167 --> 01:02:51,501 in what would become known as The Islamic Revolution. 1054 01:02:52,567 --> 01:02:55,934 The Shah fled the country in January of 1979. 1055 01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,899 Later that year, Iranian students 1056 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,601 overran the US embassy in Tehran 1057 01:03:01,766 --> 01:03:04,667 when the Shah was allowed to enter the United States. 1058 01:03:04,766 --> 01:03:10,467 [crowd chanting] 1059 01:03:10,534 --> 01:03:12,768 The man who called me was a man by the name of 1060 01:03:12,866 --> 01:03:17,400 Frank Re dice who as on the desk that Sunday 1061 01:03:17,699 --> 01:03:20,699 and he told me that 1062 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,200 a number of 1063 01:03:24,066 --> 01:03:26,800 student demonstrators had broken into 1064 01:03:26,866 --> 01:03:29,633 the US embassy and apparently had 1065 01:03:29,699 --> 01:03:32,633 taken some American diplomats hostage 1066 01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:35,467 and he wanted me to come in the state department 1067 01:03:35,534 --> 01:03:39,135 I was then the senior diplomatic correspondent for ABC 1068 01:03:39,833 --> 01:03:42,434 to do a piece on it for that evenings news 1069 01:03:43,033 --> 01:03:46,467 and it was Sunday and I didn't want to come in 1070 01:03:46,766 --> 01:03:49,966 and I told him I didn't think this thing would last 1071 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,967 more than an hour or two 1072 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,368 as I said like this things going to die. 1073 01:03:54,433 --> 01:03:56,267 I mean it's not going to last. 1074 01:03:56,567 --> 01:04:00,268 But regrettably every single day in Iran 1075 01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:02,201 was a noninvasive day. 1076 01:04:02,267 --> 01:04:07,168 Ultimately the hostages were held for 440 days. 1077 01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:11,801 They appointed me as ambassador to the UN 1078 01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:15,067 in order to facilitate this agreement. 1079 01:04:15,333 --> 01:04:20,767 The group of us were throwing out names for this new program 1080 01:04:21,267 --> 01:04:22,768 and Dick Wald said 1081 01:04:22,866 --> 01:04:25,734 you know in racing, horse raising 1082 01:04:26,267 --> 01:04:28,868 there is something called The Morning Line 1083 01:04:29,233 --> 01:04:31,800 since this program is going at 11:30 at night 1084 01:04:31,866 --> 01:04:34,133 why don’t we call it the Night Line. 1085 01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:37,433 and I said that the dumbest I've ever heard 1086 01:04:37,534 --> 01:04:39,968 I think that's a really stupid title for a program 1087 01:04:40,233 --> 01:04:41,467 I left Tehran 1088 01:04:41,634 --> 01:04:43,667 with the hope that I'm coming to the United 1089 01:04:43,766 --> 01:04:45,866 States going to the security council 1090 01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:48,001 doing everything we could 1091 01:04:48,866 --> 01:04:51,899 to expedite the release of hostages. 1092 01:04:52,699 --> 01:04:55,266 I met Jimmy Carter at the White house 1093 01:04:56,133 --> 01:04:58,400 and he joked that the two people 1094 01:04:58,467 --> 01:05:02,268 who had benefited most from the hostage take 1095 01:05:02,367 --> 01:05:05,001 and were first the guy Ayatollah Khomeini 1096 01:05:05,133 --> 01:05:06,734 and second, me. 1097 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,199 I didn't want to be the ambassador of a country 1098 01:05:09,267 --> 01:05:10,601 that had taken hostages. 1099 01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:15,199 I accepted the position in order to resolve the hostage crisis 1100 01:05:15,367 --> 01:05:17,767 and when I came to realize that the hostage 1101 01:05:17,866 --> 01:05:19,834 crisis is not going to be resolved 1102 01:05:19,933 --> 01:05:22,966 there was absolutely no reason for me to stay there 1103 01:05:23,066 --> 01:05:24,400 it would have been absurd 1104 01:05:24,634 --> 01:05:27,101 because I thought the act was criminal and 1105 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,300 illegal and inhuman in every sense of the word. 1106 01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:34,468 Certainly in the initial months of America Held Hostage 1107 01:05:34,733 --> 01:05:38,467 I think the title was hysterical. 1108 01:05:38,534 --> 01:05:40,701 Later turned out to be 1109 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,601 more accurate than it was at the outset. 1110 01:05:44,833 --> 01:05:49,701 Nightlife and many other television programs 1111 01:05:49,799 --> 01:05:51,966 and journalists, they were shocked. 1112 01:05:52,033 --> 01:05:54,800 but the immorality and the illegality of the act 1113 01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:59,634 which was understandable and yet after 25 years 1114 01:05:59,733 --> 01:06:03,234 of supporting an illegitimate government, overthrowing 1115 01:06:04,367 --> 01:06:08,500 democratic elected the prime minister in 1953 1116 01:06:08,699 --> 01:06:10,999 it was the responsibility of the press 1117 01:06:11,066 --> 01:06:15,199 to gain an understanding of why it happened 1118 01:06:15,267 --> 01:06:18,267 but at the same time "" The Nightlife 1119 01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:20,734 and other television programs did not do that 1120 01:06:21,133 --> 01:06:22,734 I forget whether we did that 1121 01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:25,733 if we didn't it would have been a huge oversight, we should've. 1122 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,634 because that clearly was 1123 01:06:29,567 --> 01:06:32,134 that was and is to this day 1124 01:06:33,167 --> 01:06:36,401 you know I mean, 50 whatever it is 1125 01:06:36,699 --> 01:06:38,433 56 years later. 1126 01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:42,500 That continues to be a very sole point 1127 01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:44,467 with the Iranian people. 1128 01:06:44,699 --> 01:06:47,400 When they had guests, or the newspapers 1129 01:06:47,467 --> 01:06:50,368 interviewed various people in an article you could read 1130 01:06:50,433 --> 01:06:54,034 a sentence or a phrase about the coup 1131 01:06:54,333 --> 01:06:58,100 but the reader of the article is not going to end up thinking 1132 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,200 about the connection between what happened in 1953 1133 01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:05,067 and what happened in 1979. 1134 01:07:05,167 --> 01:07:09,534 And if you show just a little of imagination 1135 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,334 and think how we would feel if some power 1136 01:07:13,433 --> 01:07:16,267 greater than the United States had overthrown 1137 01:07:16,334 --> 01:07:17,801 one of our presidents, 1138 01:07:17,934 --> 01:07:24,001 had assisted one of our enemies in assaulting the homeland of 1139 01:07:24,066 --> 01:07:28,900 the United States, had supported someone that 1140 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,100 we felt was a pretender to the White House, 1141 01:07:32,167 --> 01:07:36,234 and giving him all kinds of weapons 1142 01:07:36,634 --> 01:07:39,335 and overlooked human rights abusers 1143 01:07:39,433 --> 01:07:42,867 that he and his secret police inflicted 1144 01:07:42,966 --> 01:07:45,400 on the people of the United States 1145 01:07:45,733 --> 01:07:48,866 I think we'd feel pretty upset about that and we would 1146 01:07:48,933 --> 01:07:53,700 probably harbor that grudge a generation or five. 1147 01:07:54,833 --> 01:07:58,000 The hostage crisis in one sense was a very simple thing 1148 01:07:58,133 --> 01:07:59,900 I mean you had a group of students 1149 01:08:00,267 --> 01:08:02,601 who wanted to demonstrate against the US 1150 01:08:02,666 --> 01:08:04,866 who were unhappy with the way things were going. 1151 01:08:05,733 --> 01:08:09,234 The role of the Shah was an important element 1152 01:08:09,467 --> 01:08:11,467 in the evolution of the events in Tehran 1153 01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:12,700 after the revolution. 1154 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,634 What was going to happen to him? 1155 01:08:16,133 --> 01:08:18,934 should we anticipate that he would 1156 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,033 again be restored to the thrown? 1157 01:08:21,267 --> 01:08:26,467 would we engage ourselves in the kind of coup we did in 1953 1158 01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:28,200 to restore him to the thrown? 1159 01:08:28,333 --> 01:08:30,700 that was the concern among the part of the revolutionary 1160 01:08:30,766 --> 01:08:35,000 elements in the city of Tehran at that time, in 1979. 1161 01:08:35,534 --> 01:08:38,701 The Shah had been admitted back into the United States 1162 01:08:38,900 --> 01:08:42,334 and this was considered to be the first 1163 01:08:42,433 --> 01:08:44,067 step to returning him to the thrown 1164 01:08:44,167 --> 01:08:48,434 that was not true but that's the way people remembering 1953 1165 01:08:48,699 --> 01:08:51,233 they thought this was the first step in bringing him back. 1166 01:08:51,367 --> 01:08:53,467 to admit him into the United States in the context 1167 01:08:53,534 --> 01:08:56,035 of the revolutionary afferment that was abroad in that country 1168 01:08:56,066 --> 01:08:59,366 at that time, in 1979. 1169 01:08:59,766 --> 01:09:00,766 There was something else 1170 01:09:00,966 --> 01:09:03,533 so I said no, let's not admit him. 1171 01:09:03,966 --> 01:09:07,467 Jimmy Carter was extremely reluctant to do this 1172 01:09:07,534 --> 01:09:12,035 in fact he was the very last one of all of his advisers to 1173 01:09:12,267 --> 01:09:17,300 finally agree to do this and in that final meeting that he had 1174 01:09:17,534 --> 01:09:19,001 where he looked around the room and 1175 01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:21,200 everybody in the room was telling him 1176 01:09:21,467 --> 01:09:23,134 yes you you've got to let him in, 1177 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,068 he's dying, you can't reject his 1178 01:09:25,634 --> 01:09:29,734 you can't tell him he can't have medical treatment and so forth 1179 01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:32,033 and he looked around the room and I said well okay 1180 01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:33,600 he said I hear what all of you are 1181 01:09:33,666 --> 01:09:34,966 saying but he said I wonder what 1182 01:09:35,066 --> 01:09:36,967 you're all going to say to me when they 1183 01:09:37,033 --> 01:09:39,133 take our people hostage in Tehran. 1184 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,034 It was clear that this was a dangerous thing to do. 1185 01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,400 He was admitted 1186 01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:46,767 and we paid for it. 1187 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:54,834 [crowd chanting] 1188 01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:55,900 The actions of Iran 1189 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,600 have shocked the civilized world 1190 01:10:00,766 --> 01:10:06,367 for a government to applaud mob violence and terrorism 1191 01:10:07,066 --> 01:10:09,333 for a government actually to support 1192 01:10:09,799 --> 01:10:11,500 and in effect participate 1193 01:10:11,933 --> 01:10:14,467 in the taking and holding of hostages 1194 01:10:14,634 --> 01:10:17,667 is unprecedented in human history. 1195 01:10:17,766 --> 01:10:19,133 They do about sit ins 1196 01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:21,901 and they were going to come in, make their point 1197 01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:24,233 they had done it once before, it had 1198 01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:26,067 been done once before at the embassy 1199 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,767 in February and ended within 48 hours 1200 01:10:29,834 --> 01:10:31,867 they very much had the same idea that 1201 01:10:31,933 --> 01:10:33,267 this would be a short lived thing 1202 01:10:33,333 --> 01:10:36,034 and they were as surprised as anybody else 1203 01:10:36,133 --> 01:10:39,734 when Khomeini threw his support to the students 1204 01:10:39,799 --> 01:10:43,832 they didn't come prepared to stay for 444 days 1205 01:10:44,167 --> 01:10:46,167 and suddenly they found themselves not 1206 01:10:46,233 --> 01:10:48,734 having a sit in, but running a prison. 1207 01:10:49,333 --> 01:10:50,333 Lousy. 1208 01:10:50,634 --> 01:10:52,235 Treatment during captivity was lousy. 1209 01:10:52,567 --> 01:10:55,901 Not in the sense where they beat me everyday 1210 01:10:57,433 --> 01:10:59,466 but it was 1211 01:11:01,833 --> 01:11:04,866 in-violation of something very 1212 01:11:04,933 --> 01:11:09,200 profound in the Iranian zone culture 1213 01:11:09,699 --> 01:11:11,366 one of the leaders of the student militants 1214 01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:13,100 who were then holding the three of us 1215 01:11:13,133 --> 01:11:14,433 in solitary confinement 1216 01:11:15,433 --> 01:11:17,200 each of us in separate cells. 1217 01:11:17,966 --> 01:11:21,900 He came in to see me one day, in my cell 1218 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,634 and I proceeded, I took the opportunity to say look 1219 01:11:24,833 --> 01:11:26,200 why are you doing this? 1220 01:11:27,467 --> 01:11:30,268 It is totally contrary to all Iranian traditions 1221 01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:31,500 of freedom 1222 01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:32,900 human rights 1223 01:11:33,467 --> 01:11:34,901 treating us this way 1224 01:11:36,367 --> 01:11:38,335 physically abused as hostages 1225 01:11:39,333 --> 01:11:41,466 it is totally absolutely wrong 1226 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,200 why are you doing this? 1227 01:11:45,666 --> 01:11:48,833 He responded by saying you have nothing to complain about 1228 01:11:49,699 --> 01:11:54,233 your country took my country hostage in 1953 1229 01:11:55,100 --> 01:12:00,467 totally and abrogated the opportunities that we had then 1230 01:12:01,033 --> 01:12:04,433 we're a free participatory democracy. 1231 01:12:04,833 --> 01:12:06,900 I was reminded of 1984 1232 01:12:07,333 --> 01:12:11,067 particularly if you remember the incident in there 1233 01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:12,601 of the two minutes hate 1234 01:12:13,066 --> 01:12:17,667 that everyday at Winston Smiths ministry 1235 01:12:17,733 --> 01:12:19,766 they would all stop work and they would get together 1236 01:12:19,866 --> 01:12:21,367 and they would have two minutes of hate 1237 01:12:21,433 --> 01:12:24,533 and they would scream, shout slogans and scream and yell 1238 01:12:24,933 --> 01:12:28,200 and get all excited and then they would have hate week 1239 01:12:28,799 --> 01:12:31,300 that seemed very much the situation we were in 1240 01:12:31,666 --> 01:12:34,333 I couldn't identify today, where it was or is 1241 01:12:34,733 --> 01:12:37,400 but it was a prison, a dark cold prison 1242 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,667 where my colleagues had been held 1243 01:12:40,634 --> 01:12:42,968 in and out of prisons during those months 1244 01:12:46,367 --> 01:12:49,534 and I could do nothing to help them, that was my hurt 1245 01:12:50,534 --> 01:12:53,368 that was my mental hurt if you will. 1246 01:12:53,699 --> 01:12:58,667 but beyond what happened to me personally 1247 01:13:00,167 --> 01:13:03,934 the event still 1248 01:13:06,766 --> 01:13:10,100 resonates, it resonates in this country 1249 01:13:10,167 --> 01:13:12,501 it resonates around the world 1250 01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:17,567 and for better or worse and mostly for worse 1251 01:13:18,433 --> 01:13:23,733 it shapes the way people look at Iran 1252 01:13:24,799 --> 01:13:27,866 The student captures also controlled 1253 01:13:27,933 --> 01:13:31,000 all of the library of the embassy compound 1254 01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,734 and so we all got access to books, eventually 1255 01:13:34,801 --> 01:13:36,168 not the books you wanted 1256 01:13:37,933 --> 01:13:40,534 one of my colleagues is much quoted as having said 1257 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,900 first book they gave me was a god damn geometry book 1258 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,700 I never liked geometry but I read everything in that book. 1259 01:13:47,799 --> 01:13:55,932 You ignore history and you ignore Iranians view of history 1260 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,301 and you ignore the history of the 1261 01:13:58,367 --> 01:14:01,367 United States and Iran at your peril. 1262 01:14:02,733 --> 01:14:05,300 to give you the simplest example 1263 01:14:06,167 --> 01:14:12,868 in October of 1979, when the White House 1264 01:14:12,966 --> 01:14:16,333 decided to admit the Shah to the country 1265 01:14:18,333 --> 01:14:22,567 it said alright we will do this 1266 01:14:22,634 --> 01:14:25,235 but we will tell the Iranians 1267 01:14:25,567 --> 01:14:29,834 that we're doing this only for humanitarian reasons 1268 01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:33,034 because the Shah is sick and so he's coming to the 1269 01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:35,367 United States only for medical treatment 1270 01:14:35,433 --> 01:14:37,401 and there is no political agenda. 1271 01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:40,734 Well, that may have been true 1272 01:14:41,367 --> 01:14:46,667 but given the history of US Iranian relations 1273 01:14:46,699 --> 01:14:50,832 I doubt that any Iranian over the age of 3 1274 01:14:50,933 --> 01:14:54,801 would have believed such an explanation 1275 01:14:55,066 --> 01:15:00,934 and perhaps that was why the events of 1953 1276 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:06,267 and the Americans coming eventually 1277 01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:07,967 siding with the British 1278 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,868 working to overthrow 1279 01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:14,834 Dr.Mosaddegh's nationalist government 1280 01:15:16,167 --> 01:15:18,167 came as such a profound shock 1281 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:20,734 I mean had it been the British they 1282 01:15:20,866 --> 01:15:23,767 probably would've been expected, had it been the Russians 1283 01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:26,500 would've been expected 1284 01:15:26,634 --> 01:15:30,201 but from someone who you thought was your friend 1285 01:15:31,133 --> 01:15:33,166 it was seen as a 1286 01:15:33,766 --> 01:15:35,600 very deep betrayal 1287 01:15:42,933 --> 01:15:44,634 Freedom 1288 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,934 as one comes to appreciate, eventually and certainly 1289 01:15:51,033 --> 01:15:53,367 as a hostage in solitary confinement 1290 01:15:53,433 --> 01:15:55,600 is a beautiful thing. 1291 01:15:58,866 --> 01:16:02,100 They were 20 years old at the time 1292 01:16:02,467 --> 01:16:04,801 we were all 20 years old at the time. 1293 01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:09,567 when we're at that age you're emotional 1294 01:16:09,634 --> 01:16:12,368 you don't think through what you do. 1295 01:16:12,467 --> 01:16:16,801 I don't blame them so much for what they did 1296 01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:21,334 I blame those who rode the wave 1297 01:16:21,766 --> 01:16:26,933 who did not take up their responsibilities. 1298 01:16:27,333 --> 01:16:28,934 I understood their zeal 1299 01:16:29,333 --> 01:16:33,800 you have to understand that even though you think they are wrong 1300 01:16:34,267 --> 01:16:36,400 you give them credit for being zealous 1301 01:16:36,699 --> 01:16:38,832 and they sure as hell were 1302 01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:41,967 determined to hold as long as they could 1303 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,934 I have no particular malice towards each 1304 01:16:47,033 --> 01:16:48,534 and every one of them except 1305 01:16:48,733 --> 01:16:52,534 my hope my them, my I wish for them 1306 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,201 is they never get a visa to come to my country. 1307 01:16:59,133 --> 01:17:00,900 I can get emotional in that subject. 1308 01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:05,234 You make gestures, you lower the tone 1309 01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:07,934 of the rhetoric, you stop the sermonizing 1310 01:17:08,033 --> 01:17:11,400 you put your preconceptions aside 1311 01:17:11,799 --> 01:17:14,433 I have said since the day I left 1312 01:17:15,167 --> 01:17:17,834 since the moment I entered the Algerian 1313 01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:19,768 aircraft to return me to freedom 1314 01:17:19,833 --> 01:17:21,534 I said it to the principle hostage 1315 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,401 taker at the top of the ramp 1316 01:17:23,467 --> 01:17:25,600 I look forward to the day your when your country and mine 1317 01:17:25,666 --> 01:17:27,933 can again have a normal diplomatic relationship 1318 01:17:28,267 --> 01:17:30,768 I have advocated that ever since, 1319 01:17:30,866 --> 01:17:32,500 I have preached the need to talk. 1320 01:17:32,933 --> 01:17:34,000 We should be talking. 1321 01:17:34,799 --> 01:17:36,700 Now, will that bring 1322 01:17:38,634 --> 01:17:40,435 an immediate change? 1323 01:17:41,033 --> 01:17:42,600 will that bring 1324 01:17:44,267 --> 01:17:46,201 immediate positive results? 1325 01:17:46,367 --> 01:17:51,201 probably not, suspicions still run deep 1326 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,101 you don't overcome 30 years of hostility 1327 01:17:55,567 --> 01:17:58,468 with one speech or one gesture 1328 01:17:58,866 --> 01:18:00,467 but you keep at it. 1329 01:18:00,666 --> 01:18:34,534 [music] 1330 01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:38,034 Khatami made a speech in January of 88' 1331 01:18:38,699 --> 01:18:40,699 in which he basically went as far as any 1332 01:18:40,799 --> 01:18:42,600 Iranian leader is ever likely to go 1333 01:18:42,699 --> 01:18:45,699 and saying that clearly we would never do that again 1334 01:18:45,799 --> 01:18:48,533 and those were different times and so forth 1335 01:18:48,634 --> 01:18:49,634 he can't come out and say 1336 01:18:49,733 --> 01:18:52,234 oh we were completely wrong, he can't say that 1337 01:18:52,333 --> 01:18:56,433 I mean Khomeini was behind it, he supported it all the way 1338 01:18:56,634 --> 01:18:57,934 and he's the father of their country 1339 01:18:58,033 --> 01:18:59,500 it's like saying George Washington 1340 01:18:59,833 --> 01:19:01,300 made a foolish mistake 1341 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,401 you don't just say things like that. 1342 01:19:03,766 --> 01:19:05,966 The problem with US Iran relations 1343 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,968 is not so much foreign policy 1344 01:19:09,033 --> 01:19:10,267 it's domestic policy. 1345 01:19:11,267 --> 01:19:13,168 In the United States, Iran is a dirty word 1346 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,067 and has been since the time of the hostage crisis 1347 01:19:17,233 --> 01:19:20,767 it's very hard to get politicians 1348 01:19:20,833 --> 01:19:23,500 to say anything constructive about Iran 1349 01:19:23,699 --> 01:19:25,533 and our relations with Iran 1350 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,767 it's easier to dismiss them, to criticize them 1351 01:19:30,066 --> 01:19:34,300 or to suggest harder sanctions on them or punishment 1352 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,600 In Iran it's the same thing. 1353 01:19:37,534 --> 01:19:41,301 The revolution was as much an anti-American revolution 1354 01:19:41,367 --> 01:19:43,667 as it was an anti-Shah revolution 1355 01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:45,200 we're going to have to give up something 1356 01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:46,834 but Iran is going to have to give up something 1357 01:19:46,933 --> 01:19:49,500 and that's what negotiations are all about. 1358 01:19:50,467 --> 01:19:52,968 [music] 1359 01:19:53,167 --> 01:19:57,601 In January of 2002, George Bush gave his second state 1360 01:19:57,699 --> 01:19:59,633 of the union address 1361 01:19:59,699 --> 01:20:02,333 he singled out Iran for special attention 1362 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,301 and thereby damaged chances for a better relationship 1363 01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:08,767 Here we've got after all 1364 01:20:09,133 --> 01:20:12,667 an administration that finds in Afghanistan in 2000 1365 01:20:12,733 --> 01:20:16,701 late 2001, 2002 that the Iranians are very cooperative 1366 01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,000 that the Iranians are helping you 1367 01:20:19,300 --> 01:20:21,801 that the Iranians are helping you with everything from 1368 01:20:21,966 --> 01:20:24,433 rounding up the Taliban, finding Al-Qaeda 1369 01:20:24,534 --> 01:20:28,001 who might have flown into Iran 1370 01:20:29,467 --> 01:20:33,268 working for The Bonn conference, in stalling Karzai 1371 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,834 that they are helping you as much 1372 01:20:35,866 --> 01:20:37,533 as anybody else in the region 1373 01:20:37,866 --> 01:20:39,933 and you pay them back by giving a 1374 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,934 state of union address which calls them 1375 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,567 a member of the access of evil 1376 01:20:43,799 --> 01:20:45,233 which is imponderable to them 1377 01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:46,567 they don't even know what that means 1378 01:20:46,801 --> 01:20:48,502 but they know it's bad 1379 01:20:48,968 --> 01:20:52,769 Iran aggressively prosue these weapons and exports terror 1380 01:20:53,699 --> 01:20:56,933 states like these and their terrorist allies 1381 01:20:57,367 --> 01:20:59,500 constitute and access of evil 1382 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,500 arming to threaten the peace of the world 1383 01:21:03,267 --> 01:21:07,001 and so their payback for having cooperated in Afganistan 1384 01:21:07,733 --> 01:21:09,900 is to be called a member of the access of evil 1385 01:21:09,968 --> 01:21:13,968 imagine their befuddlement and imagine their anger 1386 01:21:14,333 --> 01:21:16,633 I'm Iranian and that's funny cause people I tell them 1387 01:21:16,733 --> 01:21:18,567 my American friends, I go ya I'm Iranian 1388 01:21:18,634 --> 01:21:21,068 they go oh so you're Arab and I'm like no we're actually 1389 01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:23,034 different we're not Arab but I mean you know we're similar 1390 01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:25,233 you know we're all getting shot at, you know that's one thing 1391 01:21:26,467 --> 01:21:30,101 but you Iranians are actually ethnically, we're actually Arian 1392 01:21:30,167 --> 01:21:32,901 we're white, we're white, so stop shooting you know 1393 01:21:33,933 --> 01:21:35,667 a lot of the times I would get in an argument with people 1394 01:21:35,733 --> 01:21:39,334 around the time of the Iraq war, cause I was against the war 1395 01:21:39,733 --> 01:21:41,833 and a lot of the times people would say we got to do this 1396 01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:43,701 got to do that and I'd always say do you know the history 1397 01:21:43,766 --> 01:21:46,400 let's go back a little bit and see how we got here in 1398 01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:48,134 the first place and I would always 1399 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,300 bring the 53 coup into the argument 1400 01:21:50,367 --> 01:21:52,001 The Iranians don't even say their Iranian 1401 01:21:52,066 --> 01:21:53,900 Iranians say they're Persian. 1402 01:21:56,167 --> 01:21:58,701 In Iran we say we are Persian 1403 01:21:58,799 --> 01:22:01,566 you know it sounds nicer and friendlier 1404 01:22:01,699 --> 01:22:03,966 we even smile, when we say we're Persian we smile 1405 01:22:04,033 --> 01:22:05,033 "I am Persian!" 1406 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,000 "I am Persian!" 1407 01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:11,534 "I am not dangerous, I am Persian!" 1408 01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:14,101 "I am Persian like the cat" 1409 01:22:16,433 --> 01:22:17,600 "I am the cat!" 1410 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,468 "I am Persian like the rug, hello 1411 01:22:24,534 --> 01:22:27,235 rug colorful, hand woven." 1412 01:22:27,567 --> 01:22:29,301 I have a friend who's conservative 1413 01:22:29,367 --> 01:22:30,534 and we have these debates and I go 1414 01:22:30,634 --> 01:22:33,235 go back and look that Iran had a democracy 1415 01:22:33,467 --> 01:22:37,734 and that US with England, they came in overthrew that democracy 1416 01:22:37,833 --> 01:22:40,133 to implement a monarchy for the oil. 1417 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,800 So you know you got to have a historical perspective before 1418 01:22:44,868 --> 01:22:46,068 before you get into these debates. 1419 01:22:46,133 --> 01:22:47,600 People think that just because I'm from the Middle East 1420 01:22:47,666 --> 01:22:48,799 I'm an expert on the Middle East 1421 01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,467 So like I got a friend, every time the gas prices go up 1422 01:22:51,534 --> 01:22:53,235 he'll always ask my opinion about it 1423 01:22:53,833 --> 01:22:55,734 he'll always corner me, "hey Mass, hey Mass 1424 01:22:56,100 --> 01:22:58,200 in your opinion what's going on with this gas thing 1425 01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:00,167 what's going to happen, what's going on 1426 01:23:00,534 --> 01:23:02,268 50 words or less, breakdown would you 1427 01:23:03,133 --> 01:23:04,634 you're my middle eastern friend." 1428 01:23:05,367 --> 01:23:07,868 like dude I don't work at Opek, I don't know 1429 01:23:08,467 --> 01:23:10,901 I pay the same price as you you know, like I don't have a 1430 01:23:10,966 --> 01:23:12,667 discount pump at the gas station 1431 01:23:13,933 --> 01:23:14,834 I don't want in like 1432 01:23:14,900 --> 01:23:16,801 "Hassan Hussein discount pump, okay my friend." 1433 01:23:16,934 --> 01:23:21,535 [laughter and applause] 1434 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:22,967 Fuck America 1435 01:23:23,033 --> 01:23:24,800 [laughter] 1436 01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:26,667 I joke about that, I said you know it was funny cause 1437 01:23:26,733 --> 01:23:28,900 the hijackers were Saudis and Egyptians and somehow 1438 01:23:28,966 --> 01:23:30,333 Iran ended up in the access of evil 1439 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:31,667 I remember watching that and he was like 1440 01:23:31,733 --> 01:23:33,434 there's an access of evil, I was like yes there is 1441 01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:35,167 and he goes it's North Korea, I'm like ya 1442 01:23:35,233 --> 01:23:36,834 he goes it's Iraq, I go right on 1443 01:23:36,966 --> 01:23:39,233 he goes it's Iran, I'm like what the hell, what do we do 1444 01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:41,300 you know okay we might have a nuclear program 1445 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:44,134 but we're not admitting to it, maybe we have a nuclear program 1446 01:23:44,233 --> 01:23:46,201 maybe we don't, define nuclear. 1447 01:23:48,066 --> 01:23:50,000 I think that goes back to that whole 1448 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,634 cause Iran also calls America the great Satan 1449 01:23:52,866 --> 01:23:53,767 It's kind of like five year old’s 1450 01:23:53,833 --> 01:23:55,634 on a playground just name calling. 1451 01:23:55,866 --> 01:23:57,734 So it was unfortunate, it's undiplomatic 1452 01:23:57,966 --> 01:23:59,166 let's put it that way. 1453 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:05,167 [music] 1454 01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:08,834 The Bush administration came into office thinking there was 1455 01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:12,367 a quick and easy solution to the proliferation problem 1456 01:24:12,634 --> 01:24:14,401 fortunately there is now a wide spread 1457 01:24:14,699 --> 01:24:17,732 at least expert consensus that this strategy of forced 1458 01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:22,067 regime change didn't work, that the solution is to leave the 1459 01:24:22,167 --> 01:24:25,200 regime change up to the people of the country themselves 1460 01:24:25,333 --> 01:24:27,533 the only ones who can really change the regime 1461 01:24:27,933 --> 01:24:32,400 and to seek other combinations of pressures and incentives 1462 01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:36,067 to convince those countries, convince those people to abandon 1463 01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:37,034 nuclear programs. 1464 01:24:37,467 --> 01:24:42,234 The Iranian program is a threat in many ways, but the answer 1465 01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:47,201 isn't to force the regime to give up the program 1466 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,400 no country has ever been forced to give up a nuclear program 1467 01:24:50,433 --> 01:24:53,934 but lots of countries have be convinced to do so. 1468 01:24:54,433 --> 01:24:58,433 The NIE also correctly understood that the drivers 1469 01:24:58,567 --> 01:25:03,001 behind Iran’s program were not some crazy idea 1470 01:25:03,066 --> 01:25:07,433 of a global genocide or annihilation of Israel 1471 01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:11,034 they were the same motives that have motivated most countries 1472 01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:13,133 who have pursued nuclear weapons, 1473 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,500 a desire for security to protect them from attack 1474 01:25:16,634 --> 01:25:19,435 a desire for enhanced prestige. 1475 01:25:19,634 --> 01:25:21,667 Think India getting the bomb, 1476 01:25:21,733 --> 01:25:25,400 there is no real military option here 1477 01:25:25,833 --> 01:25:31,100 history is very clear on this score, an attack on a country 1478 01:25:31,167 --> 01:25:33,668 causes the people of that country to rally 1479 01:25:33,733 --> 01:25:36,400 around the leadership, not flee from it 1480 01:25:36,733 --> 01:25:38,800 it often will lead to an acceleration 1481 01:25:38,866 --> 01:25:40,500 of military programs 1482 01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,867 containment works, deterrence is alive and well 1483 01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:49,167 the worst case, scenario is not good 1484 01:25:49,799 --> 01:25:52,533 but it's a lot better than starting a nuclear war 1485 01:25:52,634 --> 01:25:53,934 in the neighborhood. 1486 01:25:54,033 --> 01:25:57,867 No US President has ever spoken that way to the Muslim people 1487 01:25:57,933 --> 01:26:04,500 and when he referenced the 1953 coup against the democratic 1488 01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:09,967 leadership of Iran, he was doing so not as an apology 1489 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,133 but just stating a truth 1490 01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:16,201 everybody knows what the US has done in that region 1491 01:26:16,300 --> 01:26:19,268 and when he coupled that with an explicit reference 1492 01:26:19,333 --> 01:26:25,733 to colonialism, for many Muslims this was unbelievable 1493 01:26:26,033 --> 01:26:28,867 that you heard a western leader acknowledging this 1494 01:26:28,933 --> 01:26:31,700 just as a fact that we have to deal with 1495 01:26:31,866 --> 01:26:36,367 and then let's move on, let's have a new relationship 1496 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:41,600 new structures, based on our needs now, fully aware 1497 01:26:41,634 --> 01:26:46,101 of the sins and omissions hat both sides have committed 1498 01:26:46,167 --> 01:26:47,167 in the years passed. 1499 01:26:49,699 --> 01:26:52,533 Iran's a country, it's a very youthful country 1500 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,934 vast majority of the country are less than 30 years old 1501 01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:58,101 born after the revolution actually 1502 01:26:58,367 --> 01:27:03,068 and very well educated, it's a majority Shia country 1503 01:27:03,433 --> 01:27:05,200 over 90% Shia 1504 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,533 but it's also pretty ethnically diverse 1505 01:27:07,666 --> 01:27:09,766 and there are lots of minorities, there's Arabs 1506 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,234 there's Kurd, there's Turks, there's Christians, 1507 01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:16,466 Jews, Muslims, Sunnis as well as Shia 1508 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,767 so it's pretty ethnically diverse, at the same time 1509 01:27:19,866 --> 01:27:21,533 it is overwhelmingly Shia. 1510 01:27:22,133 --> 01:27:24,467 Ya every Iranian you can talk about in the 1953 1511 01:27:24,534 --> 01:27:26,667 CIA backed coup against the 1512 01:27:26,733 --> 01:27:28,167 democratically elected government of 1513 01:27:28,233 --> 01:27:30,567 Prime minister Mosaddegh and the reason every Iranian knows 1514 01:27:30,634 --> 01:27:32,168 knows that history is cause they're taught it 1515 01:27:32,267 --> 01:27:35,501 every school kid knows about it, the same way we know 1516 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,934 that George Washington fought the British, 1517 01:27:39,033 --> 01:27:40,634 the same we way know who Benjamin Franklin 1518 01:27:40,699 --> 01:27:43,033 was and Iranians will know 1519 01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:46,601 that there was a democratically elected government 1520 01:27:46,666 --> 01:27:48,666 that was overthrown by the CIA. 1521 01:27:49,133 --> 01:27:53,001 President Khatami expressed regret rather than an apology 1522 01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:57,434 or feeling shameful about it, certainly not proud of it 1523 01:27:57,500 --> 01:27:59,533 I don't think hardly anybody is proud of it 1524 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,733 including the students who took over the embassy 1525 01:28:01,966 --> 01:28:04,200 Out beyond the ideas of wrongdoing and right-doing 1526 01:28:04,367 --> 01:28:06,068 there's a field, I'll meet you there 1527 01:28:06,233 --> 01:28:08,201 and the reason I put that in the introduction was because 1528 01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:12,101 I think it speaks very well to the idea of why I wrote 1529 01:28:12,167 --> 01:28:13,001 the book in the first place, 1530 01:28:13,066 --> 01:28:14,800 which is complete misunderstanding 1531 01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:18,334 between Iran and the United States and it's accusations 1532 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,368 fly back and forth, you did this, you did this 1533 01:28:20,467 --> 01:28:22,467 you are doing this, you are doing that 1534 01:28:22,666 --> 01:28:24,567 you're wrong here, you're right here 1535 01:28:24,634 --> 01:28:26,135 I'm right here, you're wrong there 1536 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,801 none of that ever gets us anywhere, that's all rhetoric 1537 01:28:29,866 --> 01:28:31,999 and it's always accusations, like a fight 1538 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,301 any fight and we’re in this conflict 1539 01:28:35,133 --> 01:28:37,826 but there's place where you go, go beyond those accusations 1540 01:28:37,866 --> 01:28:39,767 beyond those fights, beyond those issues 1541 01:28:39,833 --> 01:28:42,667 that we have between us, there's a place where 1542 01:28:42,766 --> 01:28:44,634 we could meet and discuss things. 1543 01:28:45,634 --> 01:28:47,868 On June 12th 2009 1544 01:28:47,933 --> 01:28:50,600 Iranians went to the polls in large numbers. 1545 01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,068 when the Presidential election appeared stolen, they took 1546 01:28:54,133 --> 01:28:55,800 to the streets in protests, 1547 01:28:56,567 --> 01:28:59,368 situations seem to harpen back to what happened to Iran’s 1548 01:28:59,433 --> 01:29:02,334 nascent democracy of the 1950's. 1549 01:29:03,877 --> 01:29:07,744 [music] 1550 01:29:08,367 --> 01:29:11,068 The protests have subsided but it's obvious that peoples 1551 01:29:11,167 --> 01:29:14,300 sense of anger and injustice hasn't subsided 1552 01:29:14,634 --> 01:29:17,934 and millions of people which represented diverse swathe 1553 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,167 of Iranian society, 1554 01:29:19,467 --> 01:29:21,734 not only in Tehran but throughout the Country 1555 01:29:21,966 --> 01:29:24,533 are risking their lives, almost on a daily basis 1556 01:29:25,333 --> 01:29:28,600 for greater political voice, for more economic opportunities 1557 01:29:28,733 --> 01:29:29,733 for more social freedoms 1558 01:29:30,467 --> 01:29:32,134 and I think Iranians have really 1559 01:29:32,467 --> 01:29:34,234 inspired people throughout the world. 1560 01:29:34,766 --> 01:29:37,500 Mousavi has earned a tremendous respect from people 1561 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,201 for not backing down to the hardliners, 1562 01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:42,967 for continuing the fight 1563 01:29:43,467 --> 01:29:46,368 and in a way the relationship between Mousavi and the crowd 1564 01:29:46,433 --> 01:29:48,100 is somewhat symbiotic 1565 01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,367 in the sense that I think that the crowds are inspired by 1566 01:29:51,467 --> 01:29:54,934 Mousavi unwillingness to back down 1567 01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,433 and Mousavi is frankly is odd I think by 1568 01:29:58,500 --> 01:30:00,533 the courage of the crowd and that allows him the 1569 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,234 political capital to remain defiant. 1570 01:30:04,233 --> 01:30:07,500 What's interesting about Mousavi is that he is not 1571 01:30:08,233 --> 01:30:11,333 an opposition candidate who has actually been an opponent 1572 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,734 of the regime, he's someone with 1573 01:30:13,833 --> 01:30:15,833 impeccable revolutionary credentials, 1574 01:30:15,900 --> 01:30:18,334 he was prime minister for 8 years, he was someone 1575 01:30:18,433 --> 01:30:20,533 who was close to the father of the revolution, 1576 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,234 Ayatollah Khomeini 1577 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:26,034 and he's not for a wholesale revolution, what he's saying is 1578 01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:30,400 that the revolution, the ideals of the 1979 revolution 1579 01:30:30,767 --> 01:30:33,800 have veered off onto a dangerous path 1580 01:30:34,033 --> 01:30:36,700 and we need to take it back onto the 1581 01:30:36,733 --> 01:30:37,800 [Persian word] 1582 01:30:37,866 --> 01:30:40,433 as they say in Persian, 'the right path'. 1583 01:30:40,634 --> 01:30:44,701 In the last 1970's, the iconic images which emerged from 1584 01:30:44,799 --> 01:30:49,066 the revolution were bearded, middle aged, traditional men. 1585 01:30:49,333 --> 01:30:52,333 The iconic images from this movement have been 1586 01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:55,468 young, educated, modern female like 1587 01:30:55,766 --> 01:30:56,933 Neda Agha-Soltan 1588 01:30:57,966 --> 01:30:58,999 who was killed 1589 01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:03,634 and women's role in these protests I think have been 1590 01:31:04,133 --> 01:31:05,233 quite frankly awesome. 1591 01:31:05,433 --> 01:31:10,034 women have continued to go to the streets despite the regimes 1592 01:31:10,267 --> 01:31:11,934 indiscriminate use of words 1593 01:31:12,699 --> 01:31:15,366 I think any change which takes place in Iran 1594 01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,701 will and will have played an incredibly important role in 1595 01:31:19,799 --> 01:31:21,700 bringing about that change 1596 01:31:21,766 --> 01:31:25,367 and it's remarkable that days and weeks and months and 1597 01:31:25,467 --> 01:31:28,201 I'm sure years after Neda’s death, 1598 01:31:28,467 --> 01:31:31,327 people from around the world are never going to forget that 1599 01:31:31,367 --> 01:31:35,734 image and are never going to forget her tremendous bravery 1600 01:31:35,966 --> 01:31:38,266 and are never going to forget the conditions 1601 01:31:38,367 --> 01:31:39,134 under which she died. 1602 01:31:39,433 --> 01:31:41,867 Right now theres an incredible whirlwind 1603 01:31:41,933 --> 01:31:44,033 of emotions that Iranians are feeling 1604 01:31:44,333 --> 01:31:47,034 there's tremendous hope and tremendous fear 1605 01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:48,534 all at the same time. 1606 01:31:48,933 --> 01:31:51,834 there is this hope that finally after 30 years 1607 01:31:51,900 --> 01:31:54,300 there is light at the end of the tunnel 1608 01:31:54,367 --> 01:31:58,634 there's hope for a more modern, progressive, tolerant Iran. 1609 01:31:59,267 --> 01:32:02,201 You have a unique situation in the sense that, 1610 01:32:02,833 --> 01:32:06,033 right now about two thirds of Iranians are under 33 1611 01:32:06,133 --> 01:32:08,834 so they don’t remember the 1979 revolution 1612 01:32:08,966 --> 01:32:12,233 they have no inherent enmity towards the United States 1613 01:32:12,333 --> 01:32:16,167 they have no inherent loyalty towards the Islamic republic. 1614 01:32:16,766 --> 01:32:20,033 2009 is a much different world than 1979 1615 01:32:20,133 --> 01:32:22,260 1979, there wasn't internet, 1616 01:32:22,300 --> 01:32:25,001 there wasn't satellite television, people couldn’t see 1617 01:32:25,367 --> 01:32:27,467 what was taking place beyond their borders 1618 01:32:27,534 --> 01:32:30,001 this has been a movement which has transcended 1619 01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:32,227 age, it's transcended gender, 1620 01:32:32,267 --> 01:32:34,534 it's transcended geographic location, 1621 01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:36,701 it's transcended religiosity, 1622 01:32:36,834 --> 01:32:39,435 it's transcended socioeconomic class 1623 01:32:39,599 --> 01:32:45,129 and again when millions of people have taken to the streets 1624 01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,467 despite the risk of wars 1625 01:32:47,534 --> 01:32:49,768 despite the risks to the security 1626 01:32:50,033 --> 01:32:52,667 you can only imagine that there's millions of people 1627 01:32:52,733 --> 01:32:55,067 who feel solidarity with them at home. 1628 01:32:55,733 --> 01:33:00,133 So we should not underestimate the magnitude of 1629 01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,756 this moment. 1630 01:33:07,333 --> 01:33:09,700 The problems are not that intractable 1631 01:33:09,766 --> 01:33:12,400 we have huge common interest here 1632 01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:17,034 and we have resolved problems much greater than this. 1633 01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:21,467 In my life, I've seen miracles happen 1634 01:33:21,766 --> 01:33:25,833 I've seen Germany unite, the Soviet Union collapse, 1635 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,200 the war in Vietnam 1636 01:33:29,267 --> 01:33:31,801 now embraces American tourism. 1637 01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:36,067 I've seen Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland 1638 01:33:36,133 --> 01:33:38,367 who swore never, never, never, 1639 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,000 and denounced each other as terrorists, shake hands 1640 01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:42,334 and form a united government. 1641 01:33:42,634 --> 01:33:45,034 I've seen a man walk out of a prison cell that held him for 1642 01:33:45,133 --> 01:33:49,333 28 years to become the majority leader of South Africa. 1643 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,249 Don't tell me that miracles can't happen 1644 01:33:52,799 --> 01:33:55,667 don't tell me that any of these challenges are too big 1645 01:33:55,766 --> 01:33:57,700 or too intractable that we have to 1646 01:33:57,766 --> 01:33:59,909 use military force to resolve them 1647 01:34:00,500 --> 01:34:02,600 I think that the US and Iran are 1648 01:34:02,699 --> 01:34:05,799 destined to become partners once again. 1649 01:34:06,233 --> 01:34:10,366 We have the power to make the world we seek 1650 01:34:10,766 --> 01:34:14,899 but only if we have the courage to make a new beginning 1651 01:34:15,699 --> 01:34:18,699 keeping in mind what has been written 1652 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:21,867 the Holy Qur’an tells us 1653 01:34:22,300 --> 01:34:28,134 Oh man kind, we have created you male and a female 1654 01:34:28,866 --> 01:34:32,200 and we have made you into nations and tribes 1655 01:34:32,634 --> 01:34:34,535 so that you make know one another 1656 01:34:37,799 --> 01:34:39,767 The Talmud tells us: 1657 01:34:40,534 --> 01:34:45,402 "The whole of the TÅ«rān is for the purpose of promoting peace." 1658 01:34:47,233 --> 01:34:49,201 The Holy Bible tells us: 1659 01:34:49,833 --> 01:34:51,667 "Blessed are the peacemakers 1660 01:34:52,500 --> 01:34:55,800 for they shall be called sons of God." 1661 01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:57,933 [applause] 1662 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,033 The people of the world can live together in peace 1663 01:35:02,534 --> 01:35:04,968 we know that is Gods vision 1664 01:35:05,866 --> 01:35:08,999 now that must be our work here on earth. 1665 01:35:09,634 --> 01:35:12,468 Thank you and may Gods peace be upon you. 1666 01:35:12,534 --> 01:35:16,268 [applause] 1667 01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,500 I do believe that when democracy 1668 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,267 finally returns in it's full form to Iran, 1669 01:35:23,133 --> 01:35:25,433 Mohammad Mosaddegh will be revered as a hero, 1670 01:35:25,534 --> 01:35:27,368 you will see his picture once again 1671 01:35:27,766 --> 01:35:30,866 on every banner in every office 1672 01:35:30,966 --> 01:35:32,133 on every street corner 1673 01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:35,500 and he will be understood officially 1674 01:35:35,601 --> 01:35:39,868 as he is now understood privately: as the great hero 1675 01:35:39,933 --> 01:35:41,500 of 20th century Iran. 1676 01:35:43,766 --> 01:35:47,300 "If I sit silently, I have sinned." 1677 01:36:07,066 --> 01:37:18,767 [music] 132519

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