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[instrumental music playing]
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[applause]
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[cheering]
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[man] We bring you
great news from
the great state of Vermont!
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Remember December 20th, 1999,
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for when the Vermont
Supreme Court changed
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the world,
as we knew it, forever.
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I want to introduce you
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to two extraordinary
Vermonters,
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Beth Robinson
and Susan Murray.
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[crowd cheering]
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Hah!
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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from the bottom
of my heart, I wish
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for each and every one of you
the exact same opportunity
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for inclusion and respect
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that we now have
in Vermont.
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The struggle
for marriage equality
is an ongoing struggle.
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It's not over.
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In the Civil Rights Movement,
I saw with my own eyes
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that you cannot have
equality for some
and not equality for all.
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Everyone must be included.
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Everyone must have
a place at the table.
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What Susan
and Beth did
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was
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in keeping with
what Rosa Parks
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and others did.
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[woman] One morning,
I came in to work
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and I read about a car accident
in the newspaper.
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A woman had died
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and another woman
who had been driving
was severely injured.
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And there was
an 18-month-old little boy
in the back seat.
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And there was this
horrible, insinuating
kind of story
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about the fact that
that woman who had died
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and the woman
who was driving the car
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were in this relationship.
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The dead woman's parents
were coming up
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to Vermont to take
the little baby.
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And I just couldn't...
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I just couldn't, uh,
I couldn't...
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I couldn't stand that.
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And I represented her
through the custody battles.
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There were
a lot of people
living in this state,
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in the shadows,
in exactly this kind
of a relationship,
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outside of the purview
of the law.
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And because I was
in the newspaper,
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they started coming
to see me.
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So that's how I developed
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a gay and lesbian
legal practice,
family law practice.
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In the 1980's, and even
into the 1990's,
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gay people
were under siege.
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We certainly had
no legal right to marry,
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we had no state level
recognition of
our families whatsoever.
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When I first started
in law in 1987,
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I literally
saw contracts
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that said a person
could be fired from their job
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simply because they're gay.
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The whole history
of our Constitution
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is the story
of including those
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who were once excluded.
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In 1996,
no state allowed marriage,
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and part of the purpose
of the federal
Defense of Marriage Act
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was to invite states
to discriminate
against same-sex couples.
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And states accepted
that invitation with alacrity.
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[Evan]
People were losing
their kids in custody cases,
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people were being
discriminated against,
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even after years
of military service.
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It's difficult for people today
to appreciate how recently
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things were horrible.
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[Susan]
I first met Beth...
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I think it was the summer
of 1987.
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[Beth] I was
a brand new intern.
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A summer law clerk
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at the law firm
at Langrock Sperry & Wool.
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I saw some of
the important work
Susan was doing,
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especially as it related
to lesbian and gay families.
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I quickly realized
that a lot of
the legal protections
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that heterosexual
married couples
don't even think about
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weren't there
for same-sex couples.
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Susan quickly became
a professional mentor
to me, and...
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It was the beginning
of a fast friendship.
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Antonio, come on!
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[Susan] Beth is a small
and incredible bundle of energy
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and always has been.
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I've met a lot
of smart people
in my lifetime,
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but she has an exquisite
legal mind.
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But she's also a blast.
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She would eat
nothing but Pixy Stix.
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She would just eat
Pixy Stix after Pixy Stix.
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That was her sugar fix.
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[Beth] I grew up in Indiana,
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but I was part of a big,
happy family.
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Wonderful parents.
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As a young girl,
I was enthralled
by Atticus Finch
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in To Kill a Mockingbird.
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I don't want to
make too much of it,
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but I think the notion
of a small-time lawyer who
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helps their neighbors
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and can be relied upon
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to do the right thing,
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even when doing
the right thing might
make them unpopular.
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I mean, what's not
to admire about that?
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[Susan] My parents
were the epitome to me
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of what it was like
to be a committed
married couple.
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They sacrificed everything
for their kids.
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I knew I was... gay
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probably fairly early on,
as a teenager,
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but that was not a time
when there was even
such a word as "lesbianism."
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I eventually came out
to my parents
when I met someone.
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And it was hard on them
initially.
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They went to a counselor,
who actually happened to be
a Roman Catholic nun.
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And apparently, the nun
told them... Asked them
whether I was happy,
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and my parents said, "Yes,"
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and the nun said,
"Then, don't worry
about it."
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[laughs] That was the response
and so, that's where they...
That's where they ended up.
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Karen and I met in 1986,
at our friend's house.
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We were all going
to sit down and watch
The Wizard of Oz,
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and we just hit it off.
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And then we just
kept talking, and we've
been talking ever since.
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Mary Bonauto
and Evan Wolfson were
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the earliest
and most persuasive voices
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on these questions
of marriage equality.
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And that was very important
to my own evolution
on the issue.
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In early 1994,
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I pulled together
lawyers from around
the six New England states,
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to meet at GLAD,
and to talk
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about the opportunity
that we now had
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to really pursue
the marriage issue.
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There were people
at the table who thought
this was a folly.
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Even reckless.
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Beth and Susan
clearly said there is
a path forward in Vermont.
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[Susan] In 1994, Beth and I
set up a little workshop.
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[Beth] This is for
the annal.
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Hello.
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Hi, Beth.
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Susan?
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Susan, this is for
the historical record.
Say hello.
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Hello. [laughs]
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One of the questions
I asked was,
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"What do you think
about taking on
the idea
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of working toward marriage
for gay couples?"
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And most of the people
in the room said that sounds
like a terrible idea.
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I remember them
talking about...
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"We have this goal
of establishing marriage
in Vermont."
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And there was
a group of us
and we're sitting there
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and I have to tell you,
I was like, "Marriage?
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Really?"
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[Susan] The only discussion
about gay marriage
was happening in Hawaii,
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you know, what, 6,000 miles
away from Vermont.
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[Evan] I was co-counsel
on the Hawaii case,
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but, ultimately,
we didn't succeed in Hawaii,
and the reason was
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we weren't as effective
in making the case
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in the court
of public opinion
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as we were
in making the case
in the court of law.
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[Susan] By 1995,
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Beth and I, along with about
a half dozen other volunteers
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formed the Vermont Freedom
to Marry Task Force.
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We had no money,
and a lot of energy.
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[Beth] We knew that this
wasn't gonna succeed
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if it was the gay community
by itself.
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This had to be
something that...
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Fairmont and Vermonters
across the political spectrum
embraced.
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Beth Robinson
and Susan Murray
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had this kind
of traveling roadshow.
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They would go
to the county fairs,
They'd set up their table,
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and the goal was to
just tell stories.
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To introduce gay
and lesbian couples to people
in an unexpected place.
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And believe me,
a county fair would be
an unexpected place
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to meet a gay rights
advocacy group.
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[Beth] Joseph Watson
and another volunteer
built this giant booth,
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It was eight-feet high,
and 16-feet wide.
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It filled an entire space
at the fair.
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I remember sitting
in the booth, kinda nervous,
and I see a guy...
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Dirty jeans, flannel shirt,
John Deere cap,
and I think, "Oh.
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This is one of these hostile
encounters we've been
training people for."
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He stops, and pauses,
and says,
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"My son is gay.
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I love him dearly,
and I'm glad you're here."
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And then he turns
and walks away.
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And I realize
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I've just engaged
in exactly the kind
of stereotyping
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that I'm asking
other people
not to engage in.
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And it...
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It was an eye-opening
moment.
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[Mary] At some point,
we had to decide
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was there going to be
a marriage case,
and if so, when?
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And in 1996,
I drove up to Beth's home,
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Susan was there,
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and we sat down
and talked about
what would be ahead.
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And we believed,
all three of us believed,
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that we each had something
unique to offer.
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I think in the early days,
I was the undisciplined,
impulsive one of the group.
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Really? Why is that?
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I don't know,
'cause people say that.
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Oh. [laughs]
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No, I can tell you
that I felt...
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I mean, I was just
a brand new lawyer, and,
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suddenly, I was sorta
hanging out with
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a giant in the movement
and a giant in Vermont,
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I mean, I think over time,
we sorta, you know,
I caught up, hopefully.
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I'm not a giant, but I mean,
like, equalized.
I felt more like a peer,
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but I think, at first,
I felt like
the summer intern.
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You came in like,
"Oh, I'm this new lawyer,"
and so on,
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but you were
on everything.
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You would ask the most
incisive questions,
completely, like...
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-Exactly.
-Had analyzed everything.
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So, the two of you, I just
felt like, "Don't give me this."
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[Susan] Mary gave Beth and I
some street cred, if you would,
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some credibility
with the national
legal groups,
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'cause there might be
some tendency to think
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that we might be
some yahoos who didn't know
what we were doing.
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There were a lot of people
from outside of Vermont
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that wanted to try
to control this case,
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and Mary said no.
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You know, that's not
gonna happen.
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This is a Vermont case,
these are Vermont lawyers.
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This is gonna be
a Vermont matter.
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Mary didn't care
whether Beth and Susan
got credit,
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and Beth and Susan
didn't care whether
Mary got credit.
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And that characterized,
I think, their relationship
from the very beginning.
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[Susan] We were looking for
three plaintiff couples,
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who were going to be
rock-solid as couples,
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who were articulate,
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and willing to go through
the trouble of being in front
of the media,
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and working really hard
without complaint.
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Ultimately, um,
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the folks that we all know
and love as the plaintiffs
in the Baker case...
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Each of them brought
something different
to the mix,
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and each of them
brought something vital
to the mix.
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[Susan] Holly and Lois.
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When we first ran into them,
they were together
for 25 years already.
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They'd already raised
a child,
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they'd done incredible amounts
of volunteer work,
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building for
Habitat for Humanity,
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riding their bicycles
across country
for the Girl Scouts,
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very active in their church,
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and they just
wanted to get married.
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What do I love
about Lois? Wow.
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She's kind, she's caring,
she's gentle.
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[Lois] Okay,
so that's a dollar, 75...
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Two dollars.
3.07 please.
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Holly and I
have been together 41 years,
one month and five days.
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Holly's my companion,
my friend.
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We share a lot.
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How'd we meet?
[laughs] Whoops!
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I was teaching
statistics class,
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and there was this
very attractive gray-haired,
lanky woman.
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And it turns out
it was Lois, and...
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We did behave ourselves.
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We didn't do any, what one
would now call dating,
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until after the semester
was over.
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-This tastes good.
-Yeah.
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[Lois] We just decided
that we would spend
the rest of our lives together.
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[Susan] Stan and Peter
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are two of the most
gentle people.
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Stan's a therapist,
and now actually
an Episcopal priest,
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and Peter's a musical
theater professor.
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[Stan] When I came out
publicly, in mid-life,
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I dated some other guys
and it was fun,
but it wasn't love.
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But with Peter,
there's something...
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He radiated
in his intelligence,
and his maturity,
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and in his innocence.
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It was clear,
he was deeply special.
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Stan, he's very handsome,
he's funny,
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he's understanding.
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He really allows me
to be myself,
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in a much deeper way than
I ever really thought I could.
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[Susan] Stacy and Nina
brought us
this wonderful energy,
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and they brought
their child with them, Noah.
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I met Stacy
doing martial arts,
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which is something
that's near and dear
to both of our hearts.
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She has a very unique way
of looking at the world,
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and had a strong sense
of spirituality,
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and I felt
very drawn to that.
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Nina's unbelievably sexy.
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She's 58 years old, and...
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I still think
she blows away any woman
in any room.
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And it's pretty amazing
to have that alive
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after 23 years.
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On June 17th, 1997,
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Peter and I went
into the Shelburne
Town Clerk's office
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and said, "We would like
a marriage license."
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And she didn't want
to say no, and yet,
the laws of the state
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said that she had to say no.
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Once the town clerks
denied their requests
for marriage licenses,
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it was really our turn
as their lawyers
to take it from there.
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Three homosexual couples
filed a lawsuit today,
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challenging a Vermont State
law that prohibits
same-sex marriages.
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The plaintiffs say
the ban violates
the Equal Protection Clause
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in the State Constitution.
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All of a sudden,
we were the center
of attention.
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Life got complex,
if not, crazy.
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I'm the pastor
of the Cambridge United Church,
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I've been married
to my wife, Deb,
for 39 years.
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Yes, 39 years.
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Homosexual behavior
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is a desecration
of the very image
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and reality of who we are
as human beings.
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Early on, we got
leaders together,
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we got input
from the folks
in Hawaii,
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we got a scope
of what the battle
was going to be,
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we determined
we were the ones
that would have to be
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getting together
to do something
about it.
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Good morning.
I'm Beth Robinson.
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I'm thrilled to work
with Susan Murray
on this case,
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and I'm honored to represent
the plaintiffs that
we're representing.
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These plaintiffs
want to get married.
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They want to marry
each other
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for the same reasons
that many people
want to marry each other.
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They love each other,
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they want to make
a public, legal commitment
to one another.
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Their lives
are already interwoven
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emotionally, spiritually,
financially.
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and they're seeking
legal protection
and responsibilities
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that flow from civil marriage.
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To Beth's right,
are Lois Farnham
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and her partner of 25 years,
Holly Puterbaugh.
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00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:18,954
To Mary's left,
are Stan Baker
and Peter Harrigan.
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00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:21,457
There's a third couple
involved in this lawsuit,
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Stacy Jolles and Nina Beck.
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00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:26,962
Unfortunately, Stacy and Nina
could not be here today.
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Yesterday, their
two-and-half-year-old son
was rushed to the hospital
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with a serious lung condition,
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so obviously, that takes
precedence over
this press conference.
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[Stacy]
Noah was our first child.
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He was born
with a heart condition.
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People called him,
"The Buddha."
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He was... a very old
and wise spirit.
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Noah died.
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August 29th.
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Waiting for
a heart transplant.
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At Boston Children's hospital...
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in my arms.
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They didn't know
what to do with us.
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They came... The man came
to sign a death warrant,
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00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:15,177
and the mother's name,
fine, they put that
in the spot,
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the father's name...
and we told them
Stacy's name could go there.
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00:18:19,848 --> 00:18:21,517
And he could not
get that.
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00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,310
He could not
understand that.
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00:18:23,477 --> 00:18:25,938
I literally sat
with this man
for at least an hour,
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00:18:26,063 --> 00:18:28,607
trying to explain to him
my relationship to Noah.
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00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:30,901
And finally, a friend
who was there with us, said,
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"Just put her name there."
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And he did.
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00:18:35,989 --> 00:18:39,952
Beth and Susan
were right there with us,
with Noah.
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They, um...
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asked if we wanted
to step out of the lawsuit
at that point.
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And for me, there was no way
I would step out
of the lawsuit.
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00:18:50,712 --> 00:18:53,382
It was more important
than ever to...
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protect the rights
of children,
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who had gay
or lesbian parents.
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00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:06,895
[Beth] In the December
of 1997, the Superior Court
issued an order,
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saying that the towns
did not violate
the Constitution
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by denying
the licenses.
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00:19:12,192 --> 00:19:14,319
[Mary] So we're on our way
to the Vermont Supreme Court,
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00:19:14,403 --> 00:19:18,490
and it consumed
all of us.
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00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:21,076
Every day, we spent
hours on the phone,
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00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,370
going through things
line by line.
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00:19:23,453 --> 00:19:25,914
And this went on
for months,
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00:19:26,081 --> 00:19:28,792
before we finally felt
like our briefs
were polished enough
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00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:30,836
and ready to file
in the Vermont Supreme Court.
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00:19:32,921 --> 00:19:36,842
[Eve] When the Baker case
came into
the Attorney General's office,
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00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:39,344
we had to come up with
what we thought
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00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:42,389
were plausible reasons
for the legislature
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00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:45,851
to have said that
marriage would be between
one man and one woman,
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00:19:45,934 --> 00:19:49,062
and we came up with about
six different rationales.
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00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:52,983
Normally, a brief
to the Supreme Court
would be 30 pages long,
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00:19:53,066 --> 00:19:55,194
and we got permission
to make it longer.
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00:19:55,277 --> 00:19:57,613
In fact, our brief
was over 90 pages long.
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00:19:58,447 --> 00:20:02,117
At some point, we had
to make a decision about
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00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:05,370
who was going to argue
the case in front of
Vermont Supreme Court.
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00:20:05,495 --> 00:20:06,997
It was actually my call.
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I being the senior partner.
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00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:11,043
From my perspective,
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00:20:11,126 --> 00:20:13,462
Mary couldn't do it,
'cause she wasn't a Vermonter.
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00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:15,339
And then, between Beth and me,
377
00:20:15,464 --> 00:20:18,634
I thought that Beth
was the better person
to argue.
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00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:20,802
She's a brilliant mind,
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00:20:20,886 --> 00:20:24,681
and really had all of
the constitutional law issues
at her fingertips.
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00:20:24,848 --> 00:20:27,226
I felt a lot of pressure,
but, um...
381
00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,561
but I was also thrilled
to be doing it.
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00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:31,647
I knew that if I fell
flat on my face,
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00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,400
and embarrassed myself
in front of my colleagues,
and the community,
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00:20:35,484 --> 00:20:37,361
and the plaintiffs,
and everybody
who was counting on me,
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00:20:37,986 --> 00:20:40,113
I still had someone
to come home to,
who was gonna...
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00:20:41,281 --> 00:20:43,033
support me, come hell
or high water.
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00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:47,329
But it wasn't as though
Kim was home,
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00:20:47,496 --> 00:20:49,206
waiting for me
with my slippers at the door,
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00:20:49,289 --> 00:20:51,875
She was in medical school
and then she was a resident
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00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:53,919
and then she was starting
her medical practice,
391
00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:57,673
and so, we were both
running around like maniacs.
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00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:01,969
[Susan] In order to get ready
for an oral argument
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00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:03,345
of this magnitude,
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00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:05,931
you don't just
read the briefs
the night before
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00:21:06,014 --> 00:21:08,058
and say, "Oh, okay.
I think I'm ready."
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00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:11,728
[Beth] We really struggled
with how to put together
the argument.
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00:21:11,895 --> 00:21:13,730
And I just really
wanted to get away
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00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:15,983
from just the legal pieces.
399
00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:17,693
I wanted to tell
a story.
400
00:21:17,859 --> 00:21:20,570
We gathered lawyers
in Boston,
401
00:21:20,696 --> 00:21:22,823
and Beth made
a presentation.
402
00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:25,117
And they critiqued
her approach.
403
00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:28,245
And they said, "That
just wasn't right,
there's something wrong.
404
00:21:28,328 --> 00:21:29,496
It just was off."
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00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:36,586
And we drove back
to Vermont,
406
00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:39,798
and I have a very distinct
memory of being
407
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:42,009
in Beth's living room.
I think it was a Sunday night.
408
00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:44,678
And she said,
"How about this?"
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00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:47,681
[Beth] I said,
"Susan, I want to try out
something on you."
410
00:21:48,098 --> 00:21:50,809
And so, I tried out this...
411
00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:54,604
introduction that I had
been thinking about,
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00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:58,275
and it was a story
not about a same-sex couple.
413
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,278
It was about a court
in California, in 1948,
414
00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:04,197
that found itself
in a very similar situation.
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00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,075
And it talked about
all the parallels.
416
00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:09,119
And it talked about
what that court did.
417
00:22:09,286 --> 00:22:11,246
And I just went,
"That's it."
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00:22:11,455 --> 00:22:14,041
That's it. That's it.
She had it.
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00:22:17,377 --> 00:22:21,381
[man] Finally, the day came.
People lined up outside
the Supreme Court building.
420
00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:24,468
They handed out tickets
to the oral argument.
421
00:22:24,634 --> 00:22:26,428
The courtroom
itself was full.
422
00:22:26,511 --> 00:22:29,890
There were radio
and television reporters
from around the world.
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00:22:30,265 --> 00:22:33,894
They set up chairs
in this large room outside
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00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,521
and they carried the video
out there so that
everyone could see it.
425
00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:39,149
[Jeff] And the first thing
that struck me, walking
into the courtroom, was that
426
00:22:39,232 --> 00:22:40,358
I've never seen it
so crowded.
427
00:22:40,442 --> 00:22:41,943
You know, there was
an atmosphere there
428
00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:45,906
that was unusual
and extraordinary.
429
00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:52,788
Representing the appellants,
Stan Baker et al.,
is Beth Robinson.
430
00:22:53,538 --> 00:22:56,083
Representing the appellee,
the State of Vermont,
431
00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:59,336
are Eve Jacobs-Carnahan
and Tim Tomasi.
432
00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:02,214
[Beth] May it please
the court.
433
00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:05,175
The question in this case
434
00:23:05,258 --> 00:23:08,178
is not whether
we in this room,
as individuals,
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00:23:08,261 --> 00:23:12,015
approve of a policy
that permits same-sex
couples to marry.
436
00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:14,601
The question in this case
is rather
437
00:23:14,684 --> 00:23:18,480
whether the legislature,
having adopted
a marriage statute
438
00:23:18,605 --> 00:23:21,274
that permits only
opposite-sex couples
to marry,
439
00:23:21,358 --> 00:23:23,151
has acted
unconstitutionally.
440
00:23:24,027 --> 00:23:27,280
Plaintiffs here seek a right
which has never been granted
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00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:29,825
in any state
in the United States,
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00:23:29,908 --> 00:23:31,785
or in any country
in the world.
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00:23:31,952 --> 00:23:35,413
[Mary] To be in the Vermont
Supreme Court on that day
was... electric.
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00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:39,501
I had enormous confidence
in Beth, we all did,
and for good reason.
445
00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:43,964
[Susan] Beth is so short,
she had to put the little step
down, so she could stand on it,
446
00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:46,258
so she could be seen
over the dais.
447
00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:48,593
And she just
started talking.
448
00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:50,220
And you could hear
a pin drop.
449
00:23:50,846 --> 00:23:52,764
Susan Murray,
Mary Bonauto, and I
450
00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:54,808
have the privilege
of representing,
this morning,
451
00:23:54,891 --> 00:23:56,601
Nina Beck and Stacy Jolles,
452
00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:58,603
Stan Baker and Peter Harrigan,
453
00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,772
and Holly Puterbaugh
and Lois Farnham.
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00:24:02,315 --> 00:24:03,567
Fifty years ago,
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00:24:03,817 --> 00:24:07,195
the California Supreme Court
handed down its decision,
456
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,490
in the landmark case
of Perez v. Lippold,
457
00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:13,535
striking down California's ban
on interracial marriage.
458
00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:18,248
The parallels between
that case and this case
are striking.
459
00:24:19,457 --> 00:24:22,878
It's easy to sit here,
in 1998, and look back
460
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:25,213
and say that
that decision
was an easy one.
461
00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:28,842
Of course, the ban
on interracial marriage
was unconstitutional.
462
00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:30,594
But at the time,
463
00:24:30,677 --> 00:24:34,181
30 of the 48 states
in this country prohibited
interracial marriage.
464
00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:38,852
In fact, six found it so odious
that they prohibited it
by constitutional provision.
465
00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:43,106
Nine out of ten Americans
opposed interracial marriage.
466
00:24:43,231 --> 00:24:47,986
In fact, the notion
of a black person
and a white person marrying
467
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,779
was as antithetical
468
00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:52,657
to many people's conceptions
of what a marriage was
469
00:24:53,074 --> 00:24:55,076
as the notion of a man
marrying a man,
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00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:56,703
or a woman
marrying a woman
471
00:24:56,786 --> 00:24:59,372
appears to be
to the State of Vermont today.
472
00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:03,293
It was by far,
the best oral argument
I've ever seen.
473
00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:07,172
Thank you so much
to Mary Bonauto
from GLAD,
474
00:25:07,422 --> 00:25:10,717
to Susan Murray,
from Langrock Sperry & Wool
in Middlebury,
475
00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:13,887
and to Beth Robinson,
you rock!
476
00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:15,931
[crowd cheering]
477
00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:38,995
[man] After the oral argument,
the justice assigned a case.
478
00:25:39,955 --> 00:25:41,706
In this case,
that would have been me.
479
00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:46,419
We'll prepare a draft
to circulate it
to the other justices.
480
00:25:46,753 --> 00:25:48,713
They'll be back
and forth on the issues,
481
00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:51,258
and that process can take
the better part of a year.
482
00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:54,386
We had a lot to do
during that time.
483
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,847
Vermont Freedom to Marry
Task Force was busier
than ever.
484
00:25:58,306 --> 00:26:00,767
Susan and I,
we were still working
full time,
485
00:26:00,850 --> 00:26:03,561
and then taking these trips
on the road, and I can just
remember
486
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,188
we got out of a meeting,
487
00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:07,399
it was a week night...
488
00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:10,902
It was probably 10:00,
and we still had a three-hour
drive home.
489
00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:15,573
We hadn't had dinner.
I can remember going to
some convenience mart,
490
00:26:15,657 --> 00:26:19,953
and not finding anything
that we could stand to eat.
491
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:23,832
I just remember thinking,
"Wow, this is going to be
a long haul."
492
00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:28,670
But, as exhausting
as that was,
I also thought,
493
00:26:30,046 --> 00:26:31,089
"This is fun."
494
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:37,804
[Mark Candon] Vermont was
an unbelievably idyllic,
wonderful place
495
00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:40,265
to grow up,
when I was a kid.
496
00:26:41,558 --> 00:26:43,393
And it's not nearly
as good now.
497
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,772
The fourth commandment
in the Catholic Church,
498
00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:50,066
is, "Honor thy father
and thy mother."
499
00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,193
And that withstood
500
00:26:53,194 --> 00:26:57,532
5,700 years
of Judeo-Christian history.
501
00:26:58,116 --> 00:27:00,910
Now, we're gonna take
a step and go
another direction?
502
00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:02,620
Why?
503
00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:09,711
Marriage is a foundational
institution,
504
00:27:09,794 --> 00:27:11,880
and for me, personally,
505
00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:14,382
it's the relationship
that I have with my wife,
506
00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:16,843
and my children,
and my grandchildren.
507
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:19,763
Homosexuality from
a Biblical point of view
508
00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:22,974
is harmful to the people,
to society,
509
00:27:23,058 --> 00:27:25,310
and to their growth
and closeness to God.
510
00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:28,438
I have heard many
of our opponents
511
00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:33,985
say that for two women
to live together
in a marriage,
512
00:27:34,569 --> 00:27:38,531
the Bible says that
it's an abomination.
513
00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:41,576
First thing I
can point out is,
514
00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:44,162
if we believe everything
written in the Bible,
515
00:27:44,245 --> 00:27:46,331
you better go
find yourselves slaves,
516
00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:50,126
because the Bible tells you
very carefully, how to
take care of slaves.
517
00:27:50,543 --> 00:27:56,132
In the same chapter where
it says that it's abomination
for two men to lie together,
518
00:27:56,257 --> 00:27:59,886
it also says you should not
eat anything on cloves,
519
00:27:59,969 --> 00:28:01,721
which takes away pigs,
520
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:05,475
you should not eat shellfish,
which takes away shrimp...
521
00:28:05,975 --> 00:28:07,977
You should not wear clothes
of mixed fiber,
522
00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:12,399
which our good,
normal polyester-cotton
mixes would be gone.
523
00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:16,653
I think love is the real
message in the Bible.
524
00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,697
And it's love
at all levels.
525
00:28:20,949 --> 00:28:23,576
Between the time
of the oral argument
526
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:27,831
and the time of
the Supreme Court's decision
finally came out,
527
00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:29,499
we had our second son.
528
00:28:29,707 --> 00:28:33,753
[Nina] Our son Seth
was born just a month before
the decision was announced,
529
00:28:34,462 --> 00:28:36,631
and it was wonderful
that he was here.
530
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,137
[Stacy] He is the most
extroverted human being
531
00:28:42,262 --> 00:28:44,347
I think you can possibly
ever meet.
532
00:28:44,472 --> 00:28:48,810
I don't know how
two introverts could create
such an extrovert.
533
00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:52,439
But he genuinely
loves people.
534
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,860
So the Vermont Supreme Court
always issues its decisions
on a Friday.
535
00:28:57,444 --> 00:28:59,279
I wore the same suit
every Friday.
536
00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:01,489
Because it's the suit
I wanted to wear
537
00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:05,869
for the press conference
when the decision came down.
538
00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:09,831
People started making fun
of me because they'd see
my Friday suit on.
539
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:13,126
I just switched suits 'cause
the suit was really
540
00:29:13,209 --> 00:29:15,587
seasonally appropriate
for the winter,
but not the summer.
541
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,050
And the weather started
getting cold again,
542
00:29:21,134 --> 00:29:23,178
and I went back to
my old press conference suit.
543
00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,805
It felt like a long wait.
544
00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:29,142
When the Baker decision
came out,
545
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,896
it was on a Monday morning
and it took everyone
by surprise.
546
00:29:33,354 --> 00:29:36,065
I got a heads-up call
from someone I know,
547
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:40,361
close to the court, who said,
"Stand by, we've got
a big decision
548
00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:41,696
just about to be released."
549
00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:44,073
And it was about 10:30 a.m.
550
00:29:44,407 --> 00:29:47,660
And our deadline, drop-dead
deadline, was 10:30
in the morning,
551
00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,205
and I called my editors,
and said, "Hold the press."
552
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:52,874
It was one of those
real "Hold the press" moments.
553
00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:58,213
The decision is coming over
the fax line, one very slow
page at a time,
554
00:29:58,296 --> 00:29:59,964
and it was 80 some odd pages.
555
00:30:00,089 --> 00:30:03,510
We had a press conference.
We had to read the decision
556
00:30:03,593 --> 00:30:06,095
in the car, while we were
driving up to Burlington.
557
00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:10,099
But we did stop at her house
on the way, so she could
change into her suit.
558
00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:14,562
A decision from the Vermont
Supreme Court today has moved
Vermont one step closer
559
00:30:14,687 --> 00:30:16,940
to allowing same-sex couples
to marry.
560
00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:20,944
The decision is being called
the first of its kind
in the nation.
561
00:30:21,027 --> 00:30:23,738
[reporter] The Vermont
Supreme Court says gay
and lesbian couples
562
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,658
must be granted
the same benefits
and protections
563
00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,160
given married couples
of the opposite sex.
564
00:30:29,452 --> 00:30:33,122
But the High Court stopped
short of giving gay couples
the right to marry
565
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,167
instead, passing the issue on
to the Vermont Legislature.
566
00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:38,962
Mary and I got on the phone
right after we got the decision
567
00:30:39,128 --> 00:30:42,966
and really wrestled with
how do we see this.
568
00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:44,551
Did we win?
Did we lose?
569
00:30:44,634 --> 00:30:46,594
The court got
the "what" right,
570
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:49,430
equality, but got
the "how" wrong.
571
00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:51,724
Because the court threw
it to the legislature.
572
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,936
I had to take the good
with the bad,
the bitter with the sweet,
573
00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:56,688
and move on.
574
00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:01,609
This is the first time
that any State Supreme Court
in this country
575
00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:03,403
has not only recognized
576
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:07,115
that same-sex families exist,
but, for the first time,
has recognized
577
00:31:07,198 --> 00:31:10,577
that they have the same needs
and deserve
the same protections
578
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,329
and rights as all other couples
and families.
579
00:31:13,454 --> 00:31:16,457
That's a first, that's a legal
and cultural milestone.
580
00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:19,919
I mean, this came out
of left field,
and, all of a sudden,
581
00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:23,965
they find, after 200 years
of the Vermont Constitution,
582
00:31:24,173 --> 00:31:26,426
special rights
for special people.
583
00:31:26,926 --> 00:31:30,179
I thought that was
a combination of craftiness
584
00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:31,514
and cowardice.
585
00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:34,851
And both of those
made me angry.
586
00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:36,352
Beth was...
587
00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:40,356
devastated by the decision,
because...
588
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:42,692
it was...
589
00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:44,736
half a loaf.
590
00:31:44,986 --> 00:31:47,405
And I was...
591
00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:50,533
I was happy with the fact
that we had made some progress.
592
00:31:53,328 --> 00:31:55,330
[Peter] When I first heard
about marriage equality,
593
00:31:56,122 --> 00:32:00,043
I really thought it was
not even that great
an idea.
594
00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:01,210
I'll be candid with you.
595
00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:04,672
You know, I remember
being called into
the governor's office.
596
00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,508
I was President of the Senate,
Howard Dean was governor
at that time,
597
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,552
and there was very few
of us in there,
598
00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:11,554
and we were reading
the opinion,
599
00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:13,932
trying to figure out,
first of all, what it meant,
600
00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:16,309
and, secondly, what we were
going to do about it.
601
00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:17,685
And we knew that
there was a real risk,
602
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:20,980
we knew that there
was gonna be huge
political casualties.
603
00:32:21,105 --> 00:32:23,524
[David] Senate leadership
was very nervous about this.
604
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:27,236
So, they went
to Governor Dean,
605
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,614
in a secret meeting,
606
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:34,494
and they said, "Is there
any way we can delay this
until after the election?"
607
00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:36,371
And Howard said, "No,
608
00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:39,332
we have to do this now.
We have to do it."
609
00:32:39,457 --> 00:32:45,463
Most people in politics never
get to vote on an issue
that is critical
610
00:32:45,713 --> 00:32:47,507
for the betterment
of the country,
611
00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:51,636
and at the same time,
toxic to their possibility
of re-election.
612
00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:56,599
When I grew up,
it was common,
and I did it all the time,
613
00:32:56,724 --> 00:33:01,145
to make incredibly unkind
and disparaging remarks
about gay people.
614
00:33:02,146 --> 00:33:05,817
If you had told me, that I
was gonna sign the first
Marriage Equality bill
615
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:07,276
in the United States
of America,
616
00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:09,237
I would have not only
told you you were crazy,
617
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,322
I would have tried
to kick you in the butt
and beat you up.
618
00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:14,659
[Kevin] The morning after
the Baker decision came down,
619
00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:18,037
I picked up the phone
and called Beth and Susan's
law firm,
620
00:33:18,121 --> 00:33:19,914
and I got Susan
on the phone.
621
00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:24,293
I said, as any good
pitchman does,
622
00:33:24,627 --> 00:33:28,297
"Hi, I'm Kevin Ellis
from Kimbell, Sherman, Ellis.
You don't know who I am...
623
00:33:28,631 --> 00:33:31,050
And you're now headed
into a three ring circus.
624
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:33,970
Do you have any idea
what you're about to face?"
625
00:33:34,095 --> 00:33:35,680
And she said, "No,
626
00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:39,475
but I have CNN
on the other line,
can I call you back?"
627
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:41,728
[Susan] And they offered
to be our lobbyists.
628
00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:44,564
And I think I told them,
"Well, that's nice,
but we can't pay you."
629
00:33:44,647 --> 00:33:45,815
And they said,
"Don't worry about it."
630
00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:49,861
[Kevin] Beth and Susan
were lawyers, they weren't
political organizers.
631
00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:54,657
So suddenly, they had to build
a political organization
from scratch.
632
00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:58,786
I was going to a fund raiser
for the Vermont Freedom
to Marry Task Force,
633
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:03,416
and I met Beth and Susan.
They were a brilliant team.
634
00:34:03,666 --> 00:34:05,877
Here, you have
the best legal minds
635
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,213
getting the gay and lesbian
community playing politics.
636
00:34:09,297 --> 00:34:10,923
Hardball politics.
637
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:14,010
Hardball electoral politics.
For the first time ever.
638
00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:18,181
Vermont was the stepping stone
to all the other states.
639
00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,851
If it could happen
in Vermont, it would happen
in the other states,
640
00:34:21,934 --> 00:34:25,646
if we could stop it
in Vermont, we could
stop it in the other states.
641
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:29,192
We started holding rallies,
press conferences,
642
00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:30,568
and lobbying legislatures.
643
00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:35,073
We risk throwing away
all the things that
are inherent
644
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,617
in the foundational
unit of society.
645
00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:42,371
People started calling us
and saying, "How do we help?
What can we do?"
646
00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:46,084
We had a true
grassroots rebellion
647
00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:48,169
on our hands,
in the State of Vermont.
648
00:34:48,336 --> 00:34:51,839
We put together an ad,
I guess a 13 or 15 point,
649
00:34:52,256 --> 00:34:56,511
uh, kinda communist...
Not communist.
650
00:34:57,136 --> 00:35:00,723
Homosexual manifesto.
In other words, what they
wanted to do in America.
651
00:35:01,182 --> 00:35:03,518
That ad ran in every paper
in the state,
652
00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:06,729
and people were
calling me up,
out of the blue,
653
00:35:06,854 --> 00:35:07,814
and I didn't know
who they were.
654
00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:09,816
They'd even write
a check for $1,500 and say,
655
00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:11,484
"Can you run
this same ad again?"
656
00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:14,904
The eyes of the political
players across the country,
657
00:35:15,029 --> 00:35:17,406
anyone that cared about
GLBT equality,
658
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:19,742
on our side
or against our side,
659
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,079
was focused like a laser beam
on Vermont.
660
00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:31,587
[crowd protesting]
661
00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:08,207
It was decided
that the House
would start the bill.
662
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:11,502
And so, it was assigned
to the Judiciary Committee.
663
00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:14,922
[Susan] The House Judiciary
Committee was run
by Tom Little,
664
00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:16,132
who was a Republican,
665
00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:19,844
and a lawyer, and a very
even-keeled, great guy.
666
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,972
[Tom] The Judiciary Committee
had 11 members, and...
667
00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:28,060
all political parties,
Republicans, Democrats,
Progressives, Independents,
668
00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:32,523
we had all walks of life,
we had people from all
corners of the state.
669
00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:36,569
I am a father,
a grandfather,
670
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:38,654
and a Republican.
671
00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,283
I was born and raised here
in the state,
672
00:36:42,408 --> 00:36:44,869
brought up on a dairy farm,
673
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,914
then I became
a State Trooper.
674
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,543
I retired in '92, and in '94,
I ran for the House.
675
00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:57,965
And then the Supreme Court
decided the Baker case.
676
00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:59,342
I said, "Oh, my God."
677
00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:03,971
I know my district,
and I know the people
in Franklin County,
678
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,724
and I knew how they felt
about this issue.
679
00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:10,353
And I frankly thought
I knew how I felt.
680
00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:12,980
Members of the House
Judiciary Committee,
681
00:37:13,147 --> 00:37:16,859
depending on their political
background, were
either terrified,
682
00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,155
or excited that we were
taking this on.
683
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,159
[John] Our chair, Tom Little,
began to bring in
people to testify.
684
00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:26,744
He brought in
the Attorney General.
685
00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,747
He brought in
constitutional scholars
686
00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:32,750
from both sides of the issue,
from all over the country.
687
00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:34,543
And then we had
clergy come in.
688
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:38,714
And I gotta tell you,
I'd rather deal with the lawyers
than the clergy.
689
00:37:40,549 --> 00:37:42,677
[Beth] Susan and I,
I think, were the first
witnesses
690
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,053
in the House Judiciary
Committee.
691
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,098
All eyes were
on that Committee room.
692
00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:48,474
People were nervous.
693
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:52,311
Susan and I had the first
shot at making the case.
694
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:56,274
And... I don't think
I did a very good job.
695
00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,818
I treated it like
an argument before a court.
696
00:37:59,235 --> 00:38:01,654
And word came back
pretty quickly
697
00:38:01,737 --> 00:38:03,656
that the Committee really
hadn't warmed up to me.
698
00:38:03,739 --> 00:38:04,699
They didn't like me.
699
00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:06,659
It might have
just been fatigue,
700
00:38:06,742 --> 00:38:09,453
but something happened
that caused me
to become emotional,
701
00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:10,788
and I got up
and left the room.
702
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:13,833
So I made a beeline
for the women's bathroom,
703
00:38:13,916 --> 00:38:17,878
and a couple of the women
from the House Judiciary
Committee saw me crying.
704
00:38:18,504 --> 00:38:20,298
Then we had a little
conversation.
705
00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:22,800
After that, the ice melted.
706
00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:27,555
For me, one of the things
I had to learn, was to engage
at a personal level
707
00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:31,058
and let yourself experience
feelings that you don't
as a lawyer.
708
00:38:32,351 --> 00:38:35,813
One of the hardest times
for me, and I think for Peter,
709
00:38:35,896 --> 00:38:41,944
was we appeared on the website
of the Westboro Baptist Church.
710
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:44,822
And under our picture,
it said, "Vermont Fag Beasts."
711
00:38:44,947 --> 00:38:48,909
And then there was a column
of how evil we were, how
we were gonna go to hell.
712
00:38:49,827 --> 00:38:54,332
It's hard to be seen as evil,
but I don't absorb it,
I don't internalize it.
713
00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,127
[Lois] I was working
as a school nurse.
714
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,421
I also taught
Health Education.
715
00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:06,510
And two of the parents
pulled their kids out
of my classes
716
00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:11,682
because they didn't want
their children taught
by a lesbian.
717
00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:16,020
I think Vermont was picked
by the gay movement
as a good place
718
00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:18,189
to push for a first victory.
719
00:39:18,397 --> 00:39:23,027
And clearly we're in
an era of sexual chaos.
720
00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:26,906
So what's at stake,
what's at stake for Vermont,
721
00:39:26,989 --> 00:39:30,034
what's at stake for
the nation now,
is its children.
722
00:39:30,826 --> 00:39:31,827
Is its future.
723
00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:34,288
Welcome, Dr. Fagan.
724
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:37,625
What are some of the things
that you've discovered in
the research that you've done?
725
00:39:37,792 --> 00:39:42,088
The intercourse between
a male and female
is potentially fruitful.
726
00:39:42,671 --> 00:39:46,967
It gives life, and it can lead
to love, marriage, happiness.
727
00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:50,971
And no matter
how frequently, uh...
728
00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:54,975
two gay people or two lesbians
come together sexually,
729
00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:57,269
they can never, ever, ever
730
00:39:58,312 --> 00:39:59,355
produce a child.
731
00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:03,567
And there is that
fundamental, common sense,
732
00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:08,823
total worlds apart difference.
And to say that both
are the same is...
733
00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:10,658
insane.
734
00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:14,078
It's hard to get around
735
00:40:15,037 --> 00:40:16,622
the fact that
at some level,
736
00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:19,834
the whole opposition
is premised on
737
00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:23,003
the notion that
gay people shouldn't
be treated as equals.
738
00:40:23,754 --> 00:40:25,131
But having said that,
739
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:28,759
overwhelmingly, the folks
that I dealt with
in the opposition
740
00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:30,886
tried to present their views
741
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,264
as civilly as they could.
742
00:40:34,557 --> 00:40:37,601
Look hard
at these images.
743
00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:40,938
Pretend, just pretend
for a moment,
744
00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:44,400
that they're alive and they're
standing here in front of you
745
00:40:44,483 --> 00:40:47,278
with the full weight
and authority
of the Vermont Legislature.
746
00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:52,450
Would you tell them that they
really don't need
or deserve a mother?
747
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,870
That they really don't need
or deserve a father?
748
00:40:56,579 --> 00:41:00,833
Because that's exactly what
we would be saying by changing
the law of marriage.
749
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,169
The House Judiciary Committee,
750
00:41:03,252 --> 00:41:06,505
which had taken testimony
every single day for six weeks,
751
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:09,300
had finally decided
it was time for them
to take the vote.
752
00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:12,428
[Kevin] It became
pretty clear that
a majority of the committee
753
00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:17,683
wanted to support some type
of legal recognition for gay
and lesbian relationships.
754
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:21,604
But there was only
a small handful of us
755
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,732
who believed that marriage
was the right choice,
756
00:41:26,192 --> 00:41:30,070
or that marriage
had any chance of passing
on the floor of the House.
757
00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:33,240
The only thing I thought
about politically is,
what can you get through?
758
00:41:33,365 --> 00:41:35,868
And I knew I couldn't get
marriage through
no matter what I did.
759
00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:37,286
It was just too scary
for people.
760
00:41:37,411 --> 00:41:40,873
It was a difficult,
uncomfortable time for
a lot of people in the state.
761
00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:44,293
But I think the legislature
is looking into their hearts
762
00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:46,295
and trying to do
what they think,
as individuals,
763
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:48,005
is the right thing to do.
764
00:41:48,088 --> 00:41:50,799
Well, the bill that we ended up
calling Civil Unions
765
00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:55,471
gave every right
and responsibility
to gay and lesbians
766
00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:57,681
that heterosexual people had.
767
00:41:57,806 --> 00:41:59,850
It was not
full marriage equality.
768
00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:04,522
But it was
the first legal recognition.
769
00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:08,025
I'm quite sure that
the legislature will look
at all sorts of models,
770
00:42:08,108 --> 00:42:10,277
but if it studies
the court's opinion,
771
00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:12,821
and it studies what it is
the court's trying
to accomplish,
772
00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:14,448
and what the Constitution
requires,
773
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:16,450
I don't think there's gonna be
any alternative
774
00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:18,536
for full equality,
short of full equality.
775
00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,579
There's 150 members
in the House,
776
00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:23,207
you need 76 votes
to pass anything.
777
00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:25,834
So my partner,
Steve Kimbell, did a count
778
00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:30,297
and for marriage,
we had about 23 to 27 votes.
779
00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:34,176
So he had to go to Beth
and say, "We can't win this.
780
00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:40,516
Your choice is to get
no bill,
781
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:45,104
or to settle
for civil unions."
782
00:42:45,729 --> 00:42:47,690
And that was really
hard for her.
783
00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:50,234
For both of them.
Really, really hard.
784
00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:52,444
Beth and I had
to take a step away.
785
00:42:52,528 --> 00:42:56,031
We actually dropped out
of the State House
for five or six days.
786
00:42:56,115 --> 00:42:58,701
We had meetings
in person
787
00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:02,371
and over the phone,
conference call meetings
with all of the activists
788
00:43:02,454 --> 00:43:06,292
around the state, who had been
working on this for six, seven,
eight years,
789
00:43:06,458 --> 00:43:08,252
and asking them,
"What do you want to do?"
790
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:10,045
Holding out for marriage
meant walking away
791
00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:12,089
from that legislative session
with nothing,
792
00:43:12,214 --> 00:43:14,967
and going back to
the court and saying,
793
00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:18,095
"Okay, court, we want
you to finish the job."
794
00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:21,557
People looked to me and Susan
for leadership on this.
795
00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:25,603
And Susan and I
weren't exactly aligned.
796
00:43:25,894 --> 00:43:27,771
Everything that the State
of Vermont could give
797
00:43:27,855 --> 00:43:29,732
opposite-sex couples
who marry,
798
00:43:29,815 --> 00:43:32,276
they gave to gay couples
in the civil unions.
799
00:43:32,401 --> 00:43:34,153
So I felt good.
800
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,281
I don't think either
one of us took it personally
if we disagreed with the other.
801
00:43:37,364 --> 00:43:38,532
Right. Never.
802
00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:41,076
-In fact, I just...
-I just knew you were wrong.
803
00:43:44,455 --> 00:43:48,834
There was a moment there
where Beth Robinson
had a decision to make.
804
00:43:49,251 --> 00:43:53,714
Either she was going to stick
to her strong...
805
00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:58,052
understanding of the law
and the Constitution
806
00:43:58,177 --> 00:44:01,138
and say, "This needs
to be marriage."
807
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:04,892
Or she could make
a political decision,
808
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:06,644
a compromise,
809
00:44:07,102 --> 00:44:10,481
and support moving
forward with civil unions.
810
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:14,151
And that was an extremely
difficult decision
for Beth to make.
811
00:44:14,443 --> 00:44:16,945
But I think it
was brilliant
that she made it,
812
00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:19,698
and it really changed
the course
of American history.
813
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,619
She came back, and she
said to Steve,
"Okay, let's do it.
814
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:25,454
Let's get civil unions."
815
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:29,375
Montpelier really became
quite a war zone.
816
00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:31,043
Vermont became
ground zero
817
00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:34,880
in the battle over gay people
and American life and law.
818
00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:38,676
We saw all manner
of anti-gay opponents
819
00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:41,428
flooding the state
with money, with troops,
820
00:44:41,553 --> 00:44:43,097
busing in their supporters,
821
00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:46,975
Don't tell me to watch
my mouth while you're
teaching these children
822
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:48,560
that it's okay to be gay.
823
00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:51,939
That is the ultimate goal
of this entire movement.
824
00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:56,944
To destroy our ability
to hold people accountable
825
00:44:57,027 --> 00:44:58,654
for their sexual behavior.
826
00:44:58,904 --> 00:45:02,032
-One, two, three, four.
-Love is what
we're fighting for.
827
00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:05,452
-Five, six, seven, eight.
-Stop the violence,
stop the hate.
828
00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:08,080
[man] We're gonna protect
those civil rights,
829
00:45:08,497 --> 00:45:12,042
and ensure that people
can live together
in this state,
830
00:45:12,167 --> 00:45:15,337
in harmony, in love,
and in peace,
831
00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:18,340
as one family,
the Vermont family.
832
00:45:20,801 --> 00:45:25,347
Randall Terry, the famed
anti-abortion crusader,
came to town.
833
00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:28,475
He set up a storefront
a block from the State House
834
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,520
and let it be known
that he was here
835
00:45:31,603 --> 00:45:34,982
to uphold the importance
of traditional marriage,
836
00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:39,153
and uphold everything
that traditional
marriage means.
837
00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:43,907
[man] Randall Terry would tell
people that homosexuality
was an abomination.
838
00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:46,243
We must contain the poison.
839
00:45:46,452 --> 00:45:48,620
He came across
as someone
840
00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:51,707
who was intentionally
trying to instill fear
in people.
841
00:45:51,999 --> 00:45:55,252
And he did that
to my vice chair,
Bill Lippert.
842
00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:59,965
Bill Lippert. He was the only
openly gay member of
the legislature.
843
00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:03,635
So he was at the eye
of the storm.
844
00:46:04,094 --> 00:46:06,430
[Bill Lippert] I remember
walking through the halls,
845
00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:09,057
and hearing,
on a number of occasions,
846
00:46:09,808 --> 00:46:11,935
"Judgment day is coming,
Representative Lippert.
847
00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:13,228
Judgment Day is coming."
848
00:46:14,188 --> 00:46:16,899
And I'd turn around,
and there was Randall Terry.
849
00:46:17,316 --> 00:46:18,734
One day, I get a tip.
850
00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:21,862
A fellow calls me,
and says...
851
00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:25,991
"I know Randall Terry
is in your town, talking
up traditional marriage,
852
00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:28,577
but maybe it's time he take
a look into his own soul."
853
00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:32,498
He tells me that Randall Terry
had left his wife
for another woman,
854
00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:35,250
yet he still wore
a wedding ring.
855
00:46:35,375 --> 00:46:37,836
He didn't, obviously,
want people in Vermont
856
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,130
to know that his own
traditional marriage
857
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:43,175
didn't work out quite as well
as he'd hoped for.
858
00:46:44,134 --> 00:46:47,221
[man] There were two nights
of public hearings.
859
00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:51,725
At that time there were maybe
630,000 people
who lived in Vermont.
860
00:46:51,808 --> 00:46:55,145
And I tell you, a good
a percentage of them
descended on the State House.
861
00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:59,149
[woman] One of the many great
things about the Vermont
legislative process
862
00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:04,071
was that the legislature wanted
to hear not only from experts
and advocates,
863
00:47:04,404 --> 00:47:07,908
but from all Vermonters
who had a perspective
to share.
864
00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:12,955
There were several statewide
hearings in Montpelier
865
00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:16,291
where people could come
to the State House
and testify.
866
00:47:16,792 --> 00:47:18,669
I came up
for all of those.
867
00:47:18,794 --> 00:47:20,921
State House was jammed.
Jammed.
868
00:47:21,046 --> 00:47:23,507
And at some point,
I decided to leave
the chamber,
869
00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:26,009
because I wanted to see
what was happening
outside.
870
00:47:26,677 --> 00:47:29,930
[man] Three thousand people
showed up on the front steps
871
00:47:30,097 --> 00:47:31,932
of the State House.
872
00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:33,976
They are angry.
873
00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:37,938
Civil unions is essentially
marriage without
the marriage word.
874
00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:41,441
The people had been lied to,
they'd been cheated,
875
00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:44,319
and that's the anger
you have to worry about,
876
00:47:44,444 --> 00:47:46,113
'cause it doesn't
go away.
877
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:48,907
[Mary] I went outside,
it was freezing.
878
00:47:49,408 --> 00:47:52,619
Then I walked amongst
some of the people,
trying to make eye contact.
879
00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:56,665
And I was just overcome
with this feeling of...
880
00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:01,044
these could have been
my neighbors, growing up.
881
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:03,589
And my family members,
for that matter.
882
00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:07,134
I realized when you're in
a fight for your
common humanity,
883
00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:10,721
you cannot discount
the common humanity
of others.
884
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:16,393
[man] I was really troubled,
experienced a lot of angst.
885
00:48:16,476 --> 00:48:19,021
I hadn't yet screwed up
my courage.
886
00:48:19,104 --> 00:48:20,897
But I just thought...
887
00:48:21,106 --> 00:48:22,941
You know, I've gotta
make a decision.
888
00:48:24,067 --> 00:48:27,487
And I said, I've gotta be
on the right side
of this issue.
889
00:48:28,697 --> 00:48:32,159
And the right side
is to support it.
890
00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,244
And from that point on,
891
00:48:34,953 --> 00:48:37,956
it was like a weight
lifted from my shoulders.
892
00:48:40,292 --> 00:48:43,670
[Holly] The day the House
did their final vote
893
00:48:43,795 --> 00:48:45,672
on the law for civil unions,
894
00:48:46,715 --> 00:48:48,592
we weren't sure
which way it was gonna go.
895
00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:50,385
It was still
up in the air.
896
00:48:50,469 --> 00:48:55,599
We speak, and we listen
to what people have to say,
897
00:48:55,807 --> 00:48:59,394
we listen to the other side,
we listen to what
they have to say.
898
00:48:59,478 --> 00:49:02,230
That's the way we conduct
business here,
899
00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:04,566
and shall continue
to do so,
900
00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:07,819
based on over 200 years
of precedent.
901
00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:10,155
We were all very nervous.
902
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:12,282
Even Beth and Susan
were nervous.
903
00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:16,078
...but I will not support
the legalization of sodomy,
904
00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:19,081
the tearing down
of traditional marriage
in this country,
905
00:49:19,164 --> 00:49:20,874
by the passage
of this law.
906
00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:24,670
And I truly feel sorry
for the State of Vermont,
907
00:49:24,836 --> 00:49:28,340
that this can happen here,
and for our nation,
because I believe
908
00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:32,135
that we are really
putting ourselves
in a dangerous situation
909
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:35,847
in regard to a judgment
from the Almighty God.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
910
00:49:36,306 --> 00:49:39,768
The House was
on the floor for hours.
It must have been 12 hours.
911
00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:43,563
And it was toward the end of
the day, it must have been
8:00 or 9:00 at night
912
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:46,191
and Bill Lippert
rose and spoke,
913
00:49:46,983 --> 00:49:48,944
and it was quiet.
914
00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:51,947
I think it's very important,
915
00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:56,535
as we listen, as we debate,
and as we make decisions,
916
00:49:59,371 --> 00:50:02,290
that you understand
what the reality is...
917
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:05,335
about gay and lesbian people...
918
00:50:07,003 --> 00:50:08,338
and gay and lesbian couples.
919
00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:12,551
Passing the bill
that the House Judiciary
Committee has brought forward
920
00:50:12,634 --> 00:50:15,887
will not end discrimination,
921
00:50:15,971 --> 00:50:19,099
it will not end prejudice,
it will not end hate,
922
00:50:20,058 --> 00:50:22,769
but it will grant rights.
923
00:50:24,354 --> 00:50:27,065
The rights that
I don't have right now
924
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:30,485
and most everyone else
in this chamber does.
925
00:50:31,361 --> 00:50:33,363
[woman] Bill's speech
was amazing.
926
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:36,867
And because they knew Bill,
he was one of them,
927
00:50:37,117 --> 00:50:38,618
I think it really hit home.
928
00:50:39,494 --> 00:50:41,121
They finally started
the vote,
929
00:50:41,246 --> 00:50:44,666
and Lois was keeping track,
for and against,
930
00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:46,460
for and against...
931
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:48,086
and we're counting them.
932
00:50:48,587 --> 00:50:52,132
Soon as we saw
we had enough votes,
933
00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:54,926
it was like,
"Oh, we can relax."
934
00:50:55,427 --> 00:50:58,138
Those voting yes, 79.
935
00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:00,348
Those voting no, 68.
936
00:51:04,603 --> 00:51:05,520
Congratulations.
937
00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:06,813
Thank you.
Congratulations.
938
00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:09,274
It's just an incredible day.
939
00:51:09,858 --> 00:51:11,485
[Holly] It was amazing.
940
00:51:12,444 --> 00:51:17,240
We could become
legally connected.
941
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,368
We had won that step.
942
00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:22,537
Gay couples in Vermont
will soon get
943
00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:25,540
the same rights
and benefits as married
heterosexual couples.
944
00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:29,836
The governor is expected to
sign the Civil Unions bill
into law later this week.
945
00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:32,088
With that signature,
the Green Mountain State
946
00:51:32,172 --> 00:51:34,174
will go where no state
has gone before.
947
00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:38,970
I think, starting today,
the healing process
now begins.
948
00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:41,264
The passage of Civil Union
in Vermont
949
00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:43,475
established the principle
that we could win.
950
00:51:43,558 --> 00:51:46,603
That we could win something
bigger than most people had ever
dreamed we were gonna achieve,
951
00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,981
state-level recognition
of gay families.
952
00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:53,652
The magic of Vermont,
the magic of Civil Unions
in 2000,
953
00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:56,238
the reason why
it was so historic,
954
00:51:56,321 --> 00:51:58,907
was because,
for the first time ever,
955
00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:04,037
gay and lesbian couples,
statewide, had rights
and responsibilities,
956
00:52:04,162 --> 00:52:06,164
and were acknowledged
for being couples.
957
00:52:06,498 --> 00:52:09,000
[Beth] We had every reason
to celebrate,
958
00:52:09,584 --> 00:52:10,752
but we weren't done.
959
00:52:11,044 --> 00:52:12,796
I knew we had
to keep working,
960
00:52:13,338 --> 00:52:14,840
however long it took,
961
00:52:15,841 --> 00:52:17,968
to get to full equality,
full inclusion.
962
00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:21,137
Civil marriage
for same-sex couples.
963
00:52:23,431 --> 00:52:24,850
[organ music playing]
964
00:52:29,187 --> 00:52:31,565
[choir singing]
965
00:52:35,110 --> 00:52:36,194
[Stan] Peter and I
966
00:52:36,778 --> 00:52:39,114
had a wonderful civil union.
967
00:52:39,197 --> 00:52:41,199
We actually called it
our holy and civil union,
968
00:52:41,283 --> 00:52:44,160
because it took place in
the Episcopal Cathedral
in Burlington.
969
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:48,456
We declare that they're united
and joined to one another
970
00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:51,960
as partners in holy
and civil union,
971
00:52:52,043 --> 00:52:56,172
a solemn and joyful covenant
of love in the name of God.
972
00:52:56,590 --> 00:53:01,094
Those whom God
has joined together,
let no one put asunder.
973
00:53:02,095 --> 00:53:03,305
[applause]
974
00:53:09,394 --> 00:53:13,565
[Nina] In 1992, Stacy and I,
we had a ceremony
that we designed ourselves.
975
00:53:13,648 --> 00:53:18,111
I wore my white lace dress,
and Stacy wore her tails
and her top hat.
976
00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:21,948
It was totally
significant to us,
977
00:53:22,073 --> 00:53:23,408
even though it wasn't legal.
978
00:53:23,909 --> 00:53:29,497
When Civil Unions passed,
we wanted to have access
to those benefits and rights,
979
00:53:29,915 --> 00:53:32,375
and to be a family
in every sense of the word.
980
00:53:33,835 --> 00:53:38,590
Our civil union was
a beautiful summer day
in Vermont.
981
00:53:38,715 --> 00:53:41,051
Lots of friends
and relatives came.
982
00:53:41,134 --> 00:53:44,846
At the same time,
there was an anti-civil union
demonstration
983
00:53:45,263 --> 00:53:46,640
on the capitol steps.
984
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:50,602
And we had more people
in our ceremony
than they had
985
00:53:50,769 --> 00:53:52,270
in their demonstration.
986
00:53:52,437 --> 00:53:53,688
By the end of today,
987
00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:59,027
we will be, believe it or not,
legally connected
to each other.
988
00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:03,990
And it's nice, after all
this time, to be able to say
that Holly's my spouse.
989
00:54:07,911 --> 00:54:11,373
Couples from all over
the country, and in fact,
all over the world,
990
00:54:11,498 --> 00:54:14,292
came to Vermont,
little Vermont,
for civil union.
991
00:54:15,585 --> 00:54:19,547
[Tom] When Vermont happened,
when Civil Unions happened,
992
00:54:19,714 --> 00:54:23,885
we thought, "We want to be
as married as two men
can be in this country.
993
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:26,680
We want to be as committed
to one another
994
00:54:27,013 --> 00:54:30,058
as is humanly
and legally possible."
995
00:54:30,392 --> 00:54:34,854
When I met Tom, marriage
wasn't even... There was no
gay marriage movement.
996
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,732
I could write about it
in plays, men
getting married, but...
997
00:54:38,149 --> 00:54:39,776
didn't think
it'd be a reality.
998
00:54:39,901 --> 00:54:43,029
We heard about this great
inn in Vermont and said,
999
00:54:43,113 --> 00:54:46,116
"Let's just treat ourselves
with a civil union."
1000
00:54:46,574 --> 00:54:49,452
I don't think either of us
fully knew
1001
00:54:49,536 --> 00:54:52,789
how perfect that moment
would be.
1002
00:54:53,832 --> 00:54:56,042
"I am there for you
for the rest of my life,"
1003
00:54:56,543 --> 00:54:59,337
is a very profound pledge
to make to another person.
1004
00:54:59,504 --> 00:55:01,715
And it makes me feel safer,
1005
00:55:01,881 --> 00:55:03,550
more protected,
happier,
1006
00:55:04,009 --> 00:55:06,553
calmer... I'm not alone
in the world.
1007
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,474
As much as I love Tom,
I never had that feeling
1008
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:16,646
until we stood in Vermont,
in that inn, and said
the words to each other.
1009
00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:24,362
The irony is that,
it wasn't until after
the law passed,
1010
00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:27,365
that things got
really ugly in Vermont.
1011
00:55:27,532 --> 00:55:31,453
Something about the climate
changed, in a bad way.
1012
00:55:31,661 --> 00:55:35,832
People who heretofore
had been
1013
00:55:35,915 --> 00:55:39,753
unwilling, or unable,
or scared to express
their homophobia,
1014
00:55:39,836 --> 00:55:43,465
and their hatred of gay people,
suddenly felt like
they had permission to do so.
1015
00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:49,637
The focal point
of LGBT equality
1016
00:55:49,721 --> 00:55:51,848
was going to be
decided in these elections.
1017
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:56,686
If the Republicans
would have taken back
control of the House
1018
00:55:56,811 --> 00:56:00,315
and the Senate, and won
the governorship,
which all was possible,
1019
00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:03,693
then it would have sent
shivers across the spines
1020
00:56:03,777 --> 00:56:05,904
of any politician
across America.
1021
00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:08,323
Groups sprung up
all around the state,
1022
00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:10,658
organized around
the idea of
1023
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:13,495
"If we don't do
something now,
1024
00:56:13,828 --> 00:56:16,372
they're taking the state
away from our kids,
1025
00:56:16,664 --> 00:56:18,750
and we want our state back."
1026
00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:22,504
[man] We finally got organized
with Take Back Vermont.
1027
00:56:23,171 --> 00:56:26,007
It was, you know, 24/7
pedal to the metal.
1028
00:56:26,674 --> 00:56:29,803
Before I knew it,
we became the focus
1029
00:56:29,886 --> 00:56:32,097
of the opposition
in Vermont.
1030
00:56:32,514 --> 00:56:35,475
[man] There were
"Take back Vermont"
signs everywhere.
1031
00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:36,726
Lots of them.
1032
00:56:36,976 --> 00:56:38,937
And the Left went ballistic.
1033
00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:41,022
I was in demand. I didn't
want to be in demand.
1034
00:56:41,106 --> 00:56:42,774
I didn't want to be
a leader of anything.
1035
00:56:42,899 --> 00:56:44,442
Just wanted to get
some information out.
1036
00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:47,153
But we had started something,
and so we were gonna
see it through.
1037
00:56:49,614 --> 00:56:52,283
We packaged videos
with other literature,
1038
00:56:52,617 --> 00:56:55,703
and we sent that material
to every legislator
1039
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:57,914
in the State of Vermont,
twice.
1040
00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:59,999
[narrator] The battle
in this country
1041
00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:02,293
between those holding
to traditional morality
1042
00:57:02,377 --> 00:57:04,170
and those espousing
hedonism
1043
00:57:04,295 --> 00:57:05,922
has reached a fever pitch.
1044
00:57:06,172 --> 00:57:08,007
Manifested in no clearer terms
1045
00:57:08,258 --> 00:57:10,927
than the ideological conflict
over homosexuality.
1046
00:57:11,553 --> 00:57:17,976
Our view was that
the only opportunity we had
to try and stop this,
1047
00:57:18,059 --> 00:57:21,020
was to knock the engine,
which was Governor Dean,
off the tracks.
1048
00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:25,358
The major reason
that I ran for re-election
in 2000
1049
00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:28,319
was to validate
what we had done
with Civil Unions.
1050
00:57:28,528 --> 00:57:31,322
It was clearly
the nastiest time
in Vermont politics.
1051
00:57:31,448 --> 00:57:32,699
Certainly since
I've been here.
1052
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:35,243
I was the Republican nominee,
1053
00:57:35,326 --> 00:57:38,037
I won my primary,
and I was running against
Howard Dean.
1054
00:57:38,371 --> 00:57:40,373
I had run against him
in '98 as well.
1055
00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:45,503
But in 2000, the atmosphere
was far more charged.
1056
00:57:46,212 --> 00:57:48,298
I was opposed
to gay marriage.
I still am.
1057
00:57:48,423 --> 00:57:51,676
I do believe homosexuality
is not the way...
1058
00:57:53,428 --> 00:57:55,388
nature intended people
to behave.
1059
00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:58,516
There was clearly
a group of people
somewhere,
1060
00:57:58,641 --> 00:58:01,352
somehow, at, I assume,
the national level.
1061
00:58:01,686 --> 00:58:04,647
Maybe they were international.
I don't know.
1062
00:58:05,106 --> 00:58:07,442
There is clearly people
banded together that said,
1063
00:58:07,525 --> 00:58:09,360
"We want to ban guns,
we want to...
1064
00:58:09,652 --> 00:58:14,073
legalize abortion, whatever
we want to do. We want to
promote same-sex marriage.
1065
00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:15,909
How're we gonna do that?
We'll form a group.
1066
00:58:16,034 --> 00:58:17,160
We'll find a state."
1067
00:58:17,243 --> 00:58:20,747
Beth and I believed that
our job, at that point,
was to try
1068
00:58:20,872 --> 00:58:26,002
to help re-elect legislators
who had stuck their necks out
1069
00:58:26,127 --> 00:58:30,465
and had supported
Civil Unions.
So we marshaled volunteers,
1070
00:58:30,590 --> 00:58:35,428
and raised money, and did
everything we possibly could.
1071
00:58:36,804 --> 00:58:40,642
We're here today
because so many
of our fellow Vermonters
1072
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:42,644
had the vision
1073
00:58:43,228 --> 00:58:45,522
to identify one
of the key issues of our time,
1074
00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:48,107
and the courage
to stand up and act.
1075
00:58:48,566 --> 00:58:52,904
These people were there for us.
They've taken an incredible
amount of heat for us.
1076
00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:57,534
This is our time
to be there for them.
1077
00:58:57,742 --> 00:58:58,660
[cheering]
1078
00:58:59,244 --> 00:59:01,454
People like John Edwards
from Swanton
1079
00:59:02,539 --> 00:59:05,124
opened his heart
and his mind, and he listened
to the testimony
1080
00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:06,292
for weeks and weeks.
1081
00:59:06,501 --> 00:59:07,794
We've got Marion Milne,
1082
00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:10,838
who challenged herself
to do the right thing
for her grandkids.
1083
00:59:18,388 --> 00:59:21,307
[Marion] I was elected
as a Republican,
1084
00:59:21,432 --> 00:59:24,143
but I voted for Civil Unions,
1085
00:59:24,352 --> 00:59:29,232
and since then, I've never
had one minute of regret.
1086
00:59:30,608 --> 00:59:34,821
I loved being in the House.
I thought it was one
of the greatest...
1087
00:59:35,822 --> 00:59:38,491
and humbling experiences
I've ever had.
1088
00:59:38,825 --> 00:59:42,954
We are asked to prove
whether we are as tolerant
and democratic
1089
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:44,539
as we say we are.
1090
00:59:46,124 --> 00:59:50,253
Democratic in the sense
that we are willing
to recognize
1091
00:59:50,545 --> 00:59:54,299
the full rights of gay
and lesbian Vermonters.
1092
00:59:54,841 --> 00:59:58,636
After the vote,
many houses that
I had been to,
1093
00:59:59,387 --> 01:00:01,848
that were very friendly
to me before,
1094
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,602
I wasn't welcome in them
anymore.
1095
01:00:06,394 --> 01:00:12,108
One person that I knew
and respected,
called me up.
1096
01:00:12,358 --> 01:00:15,987
"I can't believe it,
Marion. You lied to me.
1097
01:00:16,529 --> 01:00:20,700
You lied to the voters.
I'll never speak to you again."
1098
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,872
I had several people
that I cared about
say that to me.
1099
01:00:28,249 --> 01:00:31,044
[man] It was
a surreal experience.
1100
01:00:31,169 --> 01:00:33,755
You'd knock on a door,
and they'd say,
1101
01:00:34,505 --> 01:00:37,634
"Oh, you're the gay lover."
1102
01:00:38,134 --> 01:00:39,594
They'd slam the door
in your face.
1103
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:43,806
One in particular
called me lower than well-done.
1104
01:00:45,266 --> 01:00:48,895
I lost, I can probably...
Probably by two to one
or better.
1105
01:00:48,978 --> 01:00:52,273
You know, and it was...
it was tough.
1106
01:00:52,357 --> 01:00:54,359
[man] It was brutal.
They got some polling numbers
1107
01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:56,778
that showed
that Ruth Dwyer
was gonna win.
1108
01:00:56,944 --> 01:00:58,237
And we knew that
if that happened,
1109
01:00:58,321 --> 01:00:59,947
that was the end
of marriage equality
1110
01:01:00,031 --> 01:01:01,574
in this country
for a long, long time.
1111
01:01:01,824 --> 01:01:04,285
So we did lose the House,
it went Republican big time,
1112
01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:07,705
I held the Senate
by one single vote
and it was very hard to hold,
1113
01:01:07,789 --> 01:01:09,707
and people don't remember
this, but Howard Dean
1114
01:01:09,832 --> 01:01:13,086
won re-election
by one single point
in the state.
1115
01:01:13,544 --> 01:01:15,129
[woman]
When I lost the election,
1116
01:01:15,254 --> 01:01:19,467
I really, really suffered
for a long time because
I felt I had let
1117
01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:21,594
some very good people down.
1118
01:01:22,261 --> 01:01:25,890
Now, I pretty much
raise dogs,
and horses, and cows,
1119
01:01:25,973 --> 01:01:27,225
and live on a farm.
1120
01:01:27,558 --> 01:01:29,602
I like to be
around the animals
1121
01:01:29,769 --> 01:01:31,604
because they're simple,
1122
01:01:32,355 --> 01:01:34,357
unaffected, predictable,
1123
01:01:34,482 --> 01:01:36,859
and they have
the right priorities.
1124
01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:42,281
After the election,
and we all recuperated,
1125
01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,909
many of the leaders
within Take Back Vermont
1126
01:01:44,992 --> 01:01:47,662
formed an organization
that was ultimately called
Vermont Renewal.
1127
01:01:48,121 --> 01:01:51,124
The gay and homosexual
lobby is expansive.
1128
01:01:51,332 --> 01:01:54,669
And so, we went
into the schools.
1129
01:01:54,794 --> 01:01:59,257
We were able to eliminate
a lot of that material
that was clearly propaganda.
1130
01:01:59,340 --> 01:02:01,968
I mean, there were six
resource libraries
that we had shut down.
1131
01:02:02,135 --> 01:02:04,971
But when they start
teaching that all of these...
1132
01:02:06,389 --> 01:02:09,475
ways of living together
are equal and the same,
1133
01:02:09,934 --> 01:02:12,145
and you have children
involved in it,
1134
01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:14,188
you know, it's...
1135
01:02:15,106 --> 01:02:17,942
Then where do you
draw the line,
as the others have said?
1136
01:02:18,151 --> 01:02:22,029
What's wrong with having
three people in this situation?
1137
01:02:22,447 --> 01:02:23,781
Or two people and a dog.
1138
01:02:23,906 --> 01:02:25,158
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
1139
01:02:25,241 --> 01:02:28,536
You don't even understand
what freedom is
1140
01:02:28,786 --> 01:02:29,954
until it's challenged.
1141
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:30,913
It's true.
1142
01:02:31,038 --> 01:02:34,834
And that's when I realized
how Hitler, or somebody
like that, could come to power.
1143
01:02:34,959 --> 01:02:38,171
I never thought...
I always wondered, "How
could he ever come to power?"
1144
01:02:38,254 --> 01:02:39,130
I know now.
1145
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:40,840
-Right.
-Right.
1146
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:45,928
[Susan] After the election
in November 2000,
1147
01:02:46,012 --> 01:02:48,723
the House became
an anti-civil unions chamber.
1148
01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:54,145
They started having hearings
about repealing
the Civil Unions law.
1149
01:02:54,395 --> 01:02:57,148
Beth and I had
to go back and testify
all over again
1150
01:02:57,231 --> 01:02:59,358
and it was an incredibly...
1151
01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:02,653
painful period.
1152
01:03:03,529 --> 01:03:06,282
They actively brought people
into the State House
1153
01:03:06,407 --> 01:03:07,658
to do "seminars"
1154
01:03:07,825 --> 01:03:10,161
on the "immorality"
of the gay and lesbian people.
1155
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:14,916
Ultimately, Civil Unions
was repealed on the floor
of the House.
1156
01:03:15,166 --> 01:03:17,293
But it was blocked
by the Senate.
1157
01:03:17,418 --> 01:03:20,755
It was a helpful reminder
of just...
1158
01:03:22,548 --> 01:03:25,426
how hard-fought
the civil union victory was,
1159
01:03:25,551 --> 01:03:29,013
and how hard we were
gonna have to work
to move forward.
1160
01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:31,849
[Susan] What has been
wonderful about Karen,
1161
01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:35,895
all these years,
and through everything
that we've been through,
1162
01:03:36,312 --> 01:03:39,774
is that she's always
been supportive
1163
01:03:39,899 --> 01:03:41,818
of what Beth and I
were doing.
1164
01:03:41,984 --> 01:03:44,862
No matter how much time
it took away from
the household,
1165
01:03:45,196 --> 01:03:47,865
no matter how stressful
it was.
1166
01:03:49,575 --> 01:03:51,285
Come 2003,
1167
01:03:51,369 --> 01:03:54,121
my practice was taking off
at the law firm.
1168
01:03:54,247 --> 01:03:57,124
And I just didn't
have the time anymore
1169
01:03:57,250 --> 01:04:01,546
to devote to working
for Marriage Equality.
1170
01:04:01,671 --> 01:04:03,840
There was no energy
for it in the state.
1171
01:04:03,923 --> 01:04:08,094
Nobody wanted to do anything.
The gay community was tired.
1172
01:04:08,261 --> 01:04:12,348
The political class
was sick of hearing from us.
1173
01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:14,475
And I was burned out,
to be honest.
1174
01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:18,104
I can remember
getting home at 11:00 at night.
1175
01:04:18,229 --> 01:04:20,857
You were gonna pick me up
at 6:00 the next morning,
1176
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:24,902
I had seven hours
to do my day's...
Of my job work.
1177
01:04:24,986 --> 01:04:26,445
Eat dinner, sleep--
1178
01:04:26,654 --> 01:04:29,031
-Visit with Kim.
-Take a shower.
1179
01:04:29,115 --> 01:04:30,867
Make breakfast,
and get up and do
the same thing again.
1180
01:04:31,033 --> 01:04:37,498
Yeah. I wouldn't trade
the years of meeting
really interesting people
1181
01:04:37,623 --> 01:04:40,668
and traveling around and being
engaged and getting
to know the state
1182
01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:42,086
in a way that I
never would have.
1183
01:04:42,211 --> 01:04:43,504
I wouldn't trade that
for anything.
1184
01:04:43,629 --> 01:04:46,716
I know. But we were
exhausted all the time.
1185
01:04:46,966 --> 01:04:48,801
[Susan] Frankly,
I needed to take a break.
1186
01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:52,054
I dropped out
of the battle.
1187
01:04:52,138 --> 01:04:56,058
So Beth, bless her,
kept plugging away.
1188
01:04:56,142 --> 01:04:58,644
[Beth] As Susan's friend,
I totally understood it.
1189
01:04:58,728 --> 01:05:02,857
As her partner in this effort,
I can't deny that it was hard
at first.
1190
01:05:03,441 --> 01:05:06,027
But Susan never went away.
1191
01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:09,614
She was always
a source of good advice,
1192
01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:11,449
and she was
always a friend.
1193
01:05:12,867 --> 01:05:14,535
And in the meantime,
1194
01:05:15,244 --> 01:05:18,039
a number of other
really key people
1195
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:23,002
came on to the scene
that might not have
if Susan had stayed around.
1196
01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:25,796
People like Sherry Corbin,
who really...
1197
01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:29,884
was a pillar of
the Vermont Freedom to Marry
Task Force for a decade.
1198
01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:34,805
[Sherry] I remember covering
miles and miles of territory,
1199
01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:39,644
walking into a house
and the woman in the house
running up
1200
01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:41,854
and giving you a hug,
1201
01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:44,607
and then saying,
"Good luck with him."
1202
01:05:44,857 --> 01:05:45,900
[laughing]
1203
01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:47,818
And then dragging
her husband up
1204
01:05:47,902 --> 01:05:50,571
and having a real debate
about it.
1205
01:05:50,655 --> 01:05:55,993
So the House itself
was divided, but...
1206
01:05:56,911 --> 01:05:58,371
humorously divided.
1207
01:05:59,163 --> 01:06:01,374
Freedom to Marry
criss-crossed
all over the state,
1208
01:06:01,457 --> 01:06:05,211
to hold a public meeting,
or to hold a house meeting,
we would call them.
1209
01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:07,171
Then having
nobody show up.
1210
01:06:09,382 --> 01:06:12,051
That was frequently
the situation.
1211
01:06:12,843 --> 01:06:15,972
And we would go anywhere
anybody wanted to talk.
1212
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:18,683
So, number one,
why marriage?
Why are we doing this?
1213
01:06:18,766 --> 01:06:20,434
Why is this important,
especially after
we went through
1214
01:06:20,518 --> 01:06:22,603
all that we went through
in 2000 to get Civil Unions?
1215
01:06:22,728 --> 01:06:26,065
We were hitting
every spot in the state.
1216
01:06:26,774 --> 01:06:28,985
Wasn't the kind of work
that was getting headlines,
1217
01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:31,278
but it was the kind
of work we knew
we had to do
1218
01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:32,655
to steadily rebuild.
1219
01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:34,281
And when the story
that our laws tells
1220
01:06:34,365 --> 01:06:35,741
is a story of separation
and exclusion
1221
01:06:35,866 --> 01:06:38,035
that affects every single one
of us, gay and straight,
1222
01:06:38,452 --> 01:06:39,537
single and couple,
1223
01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:40,830
old or young,
1224
01:06:41,122 --> 01:06:43,207
wanting to marry
or not wanting to marry.
1225
01:06:43,290 --> 01:06:44,792
It isn't just about
the committed couples
1226
01:06:44,875 --> 01:06:46,877
in same-sex relationships
who want to marry.
1227
01:06:47,003 --> 01:06:50,047
It really is about
a broader civil rights
movement
1228
01:06:50,131 --> 01:06:51,799
and a broader
movement for inclusion.
1229
01:06:51,882 --> 01:06:53,592
I have to say
that, for me, that...
1230
01:06:53,968 --> 01:06:56,053
That really is what
this is about.
1231
01:06:56,137 --> 01:06:57,805
[Beth] Some of
the hardest times
1232
01:06:58,472 --> 01:07:00,850
were those long years
in between
1233
01:07:01,851 --> 01:07:03,185
when
1234
01:07:04,103 --> 01:07:07,940
getting to the goal
seemed so far away
and so elusive,
1235
01:07:08,274 --> 01:07:11,527
and the work felt
so not rewarding,
1236
01:07:11,652 --> 01:07:13,112
but you knew
you had to do it.
1237
01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:19,076
[man] Vermont created
the atmosphere
and the foundation
1238
01:07:19,201 --> 01:07:21,579
to have this conversation
on a national basis.
1239
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:25,124
I think Vermont's experience
taught people
1240
01:07:25,291 --> 01:07:26,542
how to talk about it.
1241
01:07:26,917 --> 01:07:29,879
Taught people
that they could
talk about it.
1242
01:07:30,087 --> 01:07:34,425
After Vermont, GLAD
moved forward with
a marriage case
1243
01:07:34,508 --> 01:07:35,718
in Massachusetts.
1244
01:07:36,635 --> 01:07:40,639
Good evening. It is one
of the most contentious
questions in America today.
1245
01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:42,850
Should gay people
have the right to marry?
1246
01:07:43,142 --> 01:07:47,438
Today, the Massachusetts
State Supreme Court ordered
that state to do just that.
1247
01:07:47,646 --> 01:07:49,231
Legalize gay marriage,
1248
01:07:49,315 --> 01:07:51,275
ruling that a ban
on such marriages
1249
01:07:51,358 --> 01:07:53,861
is unconstitutional
in Massachusetts.
1250
01:07:54,153 --> 01:07:57,114
Massachusetts became
the first state
in the country
1251
01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:58,741
to allow gay people
to get married.
1252
01:07:58,824 --> 01:08:03,454
They did that as a result
of a Supreme Court decision
in that state.
1253
01:08:03,537 --> 01:08:05,915
And that case,
that was Mary Bonauto's case.
1254
01:08:05,998 --> 01:08:07,249
That was her case.
1255
01:08:07,416 --> 01:08:10,628
She had, you know, as much
as I whined about how hard
we worked in Vermont,
1256
01:08:10,753 --> 01:08:13,172
she was carrying multiple
other states at the same time.
1257
01:08:13,255 --> 01:08:15,132
She was doing the same thing
many places.
1258
01:08:15,549 --> 01:08:16,550
That was huge.
1259
01:08:17,051 --> 01:08:20,971
Now finally, these couples,
who've been together
years, if not decades,
1260
01:08:21,222 --> 01:08:23,307
will finally
have the chance
1261
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,976
to be treated equally
and fairly by their government
1262
01:08:26,102 --> 01:08:28,521
and have the right to join
in civil marriage.
1263
01:08:28,646 --> 01:08:30,773
We made the same key
1264
01:08:31,232 --> 01:08:36,779
and core equality and liberty
arguments that we had made
in Vermont.
1265
01:08:37,113 --> 01:08:40,699
And the Massachusetts Supreme
Judicial Court
broke that historic barrier,
1266
01:08:41,033 --> 01:08:44,703
and found that excluding
same-sex couples
from marriage
1267
01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:47,164
violates that state's
constitution.
1268
01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:50,209
For a four year period,
1269
01:08:50,459 --> 01:08:54,296
Republicans dominated
the legislature, so,
therefore,
1270
01:08:54,505 --> 01:08:56,132
marriage was off the table.
1271
01:08:56,507 --> 01:08:59,593
And then Democrats
took over the legislature again,
1272
01:08:59,718 --> 01:09:03,264
and there was a glimmer
of hope in Beth's eye
about getting it done.
1273
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:06,058
We could have gone
back to court. That was one
of the options we considered.
1274
01:09:06,725 --> 01:09:10,146
We wanted to rebut
this notion,
1275
01:09:10,271 --> 01:09:14,817
that... people's elected
representatives would never
go for this,
1276
01:09:14,942 --> 01:09:17,987
that this was something
that was being crammed down
America's throat
1277
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:19,446
by unelected judges.
1278
01:09:20,156 --> 01:09:21,448
It was important
1279
01:09:22,533 --> 01:09:25,202
to pass marriage somewhere
legislatively,
1280
01:09:25,953 --> 01:09:28,497
because the opposition
was saying,
"Take it to the people."
1281
01:09:30,958 --> 01:09:34,753
The opposition was saying
the only reason we have
marriage is because of courts.
1282
01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:38,549
Nobody, no state had passed
1283
01:09:38,757 --> 01:09:41,510
marriage equality
by legislation.
1284
01:09:42,386 --> 01:09:43,637
And that was our goal.
1285
01:09:44,138 --> 01:09:45,389
Hi, how you doing today?
1286
01:09:45,514 --> 01:09:47,850
My name's Tom from
Vermont Freedom to Marry.
Would you like a pin?
1287
01:09:48,058 --> 01:09:49,393
-Thank you.
-You're welcome.
1288
01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:52,813
[man] Beth Robinson,
and Vermont Freedom to Marry,
1289
01:09:52,897 --> 01:09:54,690
they went district by district
1290
01:09:54,773 --> 01:09:58,736
organizing everyday Vermonters,
gay and lesbian Vermonters,
1291
01:09:58,944 --> 01:10:01,655
and family members,
very strategically.
1292
01:10:01,864 --> 01:10:04,783
They would find people
that went to high school
with some legislators.
1293
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,578
They would find
the right religious people.
1294
01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:10,164
They would find
the business leaders to talk
to those people.
1295
01:10:10,247 --> 01:10:13,542
They would find donors
to the campaign,
1296
01:10:13,667 --> 01:10:15,085
and talk to these legislators.
1297
01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:16,837
It was just
absolutely brilliant,
1298
01:10:16,962 --> 01:10:19,173
and it was laser focused.
1299
01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:21,467
[woman] Now is the time
for action.
1300
01:10:21,592 --> 01:10:24,511
Every single one of you
who knows anyone,
1301
01:10:24,595 --> 01:10:27,097
anywhere in this state,
you need to call them.
1302
01:10:28,057 --> 01:10:31,393
You need to call them
and ask them to call
their representative.
1303
01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:36,315
Because minds can be changed
like that.
1304
01:10:37,816 --> 01:10:39,902
[Beth] In the fall of 2008,
we worked hard
1305
01:10:39,985 --> 01:10:42,488
to try to get
Senator Shumlin on board.
1306
01:10:42,863 --> 01:10:44,573
We knew his heart
was with us,
1307
01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:46,909
And it was a matter
of persuading him
1308
01:10:46,992 --> 01:10:49,578
that the politics had changed
and that he wasn't gonna be
1309
01:10:49,995 --> 01:10:52,039
taking his caucus,
taking his...
1310
01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:57,086
people into some fire where
they were gonna get burned.
1311
01:10:57,294 --> 01:11:00,923
She had this determination
about her message,
1312
01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:03,842
and as did a number of
other people in the room,
in fairness to Beth,
1313
01:11:04,009 --> 01:11:09,598
where I thought, "Wow,
if this woman and this group
can really do this,
1314
01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:11,267
we can actually
get this done."
1315
01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:15,813
[man] Peter Shumlin knew
that the House was where
the play was going to be.
1316
01:11:15,938 --> 01:11:18,565
And so he worked very closely
with Shap Smith,
1317
01:11:18,691 --> 01:11:20,859
who was newly elected
as Speaker of the House.
1318
01:11:21,318 --> 01:11:24,196
[Shap] I always was interested
in politics as a young kid,
1319
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,825
but I was reignited
in my interest in politics,
1320
01:11:27,908 --> 01:11:29,868
quite frankly,
by the civil unions issue.
1321
01:11:29,994 --> 01:11:36,250
I saw people were willing
to put their
personal philosophy
1322
01:11:36,333 --> 01:11:41,797
on the line, even knowing
that they, perhaps,
were facing political danger.
1323
01:11:42,298 --> 01:11:46,719
I got a new faith in
what politics could do.
1324
01:11:47,553 --> 01:11:50,431
The bill was very simple.
It was a short bill,
it wasn't a complex bill.
1325
01:11:50,514 --> 01:11:54,226
It simply said that
the gender requirement
in marriage
1326
01:11:54,351 --> 01:11:57,271
will no longer apply.
That a person
can marry a person.
1327
01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,857
We passed it overwhelmingly
on the floor of the Senate.
1328
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:03,110
Sent it over to the House,
who did the same thing. We sent
it to the governor's desk.
1329
01:12:03,444 --> 01:12:05,195
We thought for sure,
to be honest,
1330
01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:08,282
that the Republican Governor,
Jim Douglas, would sign
that bill.
1331
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:11,035
In all my great wisdom,
1332
01:12:12,953 --> 01:12:18,709
throughout the fall of 2008
and into the early part
of 2009,
1333
01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:21,670
I had assured...
1334
01:12:22,671 --> 01:12:25,966
anybody who was concerned,
that Governor Douglas
would sign this bill,
1335
01:12:26,091 --> 01:12:29,219
or at a minimum,
let it pass into law
without his signature.
1336
01:12:29,887 --> 01:12:33,932
I was convinced
that Governor Douglas
would not veto this bill.
1337
01:12:35,017 --> 01:12:36,935
And I was wrong.
1338
01:12:37,644 --> 01:12:40,314
Very, very wrong.
1339
01:12:40,981 --> 01:12:42,483
As you know, it's been
a policy of mine
1340
01:12:42,566 --> 01:12:44,902
not to announce
whether or not
I will veto a bill
1341
01:12:45,027 --> 01:12:46,320
before it reaches
my desk,
1342
01:12:46,653 --> 01:12:48,489
but during these
extraordinary times,
1343
01:12:48,822 --> 01:12:50,574
the speculation
about my decision
1344
01:12:50,657 --> 01:12:52,951
has added to the anxiety
of the moment
1345
01:12:53,285 --> 01:12:56,246
and further diverts attention
from our most pressing issues,
1346
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:58,290
and I cannot allow that
to happen.
1347
01:12:58,916 --> 01:13:00,209
For those reasons,
1348
01:13:00,334 --> 01:13:03,921
and because I believe
that by removing any
uncertainty about my position,
1349
01:13:04,004 --> 01:13:06,548
we can move forward
more quickly beyond
this debate,
1350
01:13:06,799 --> 01:13:09,468
I'm announcing
that I intend to
veto this legislation
1351
01:13:09,593 --> 01:13:10,677
when it reaches my desk.
1352
01:13:11,136 --> 01:13:14,473
Our own governor stood up,
called us a distraction,
1353
01:13:14,598 --> 01:13:17,267
and said that our civil rights
weren't worthy of attention
1354
01:13:17,351 --> 01:13:19,603
this year, and that
he would veto them.
1355
01:13:19,978 --> 01:13:21,230
[crowd booing]
1356
01:13:22,022 --> 01:13:23,857
But the task doesn't end
with the governor,
1357
01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:26,068
the task ends right here
in the Legislature,
1358
01:13:26,193 --> 01:13:28,654
with our leadership, with
our elected representatives,
1359
01:13:28,821 --> 01:13:31,532
and the battle
is by no means over.
1360
01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:33,033
An hour later,
1361
01:13:34,326 --> 01:13:35,953
Beth Robinson's
in our door
1362
01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:39,998
saying, "We need a new ad
in 24 hours."
1363
01:13:40,541 --> 01:13:44,670
And we looked at each other,
and said, "Okay,
we can do that."
1364
01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:46,588
[narrator]
We are your neighbors.
1365
01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:49,842
Farmers, teachers, and clerks
at the grocery store.
1366
01:13:49,967 --> 01:13:53,137
We are your sons and daughters,
your parents and grandparents.
1367
01:13:53,345 --> 01:13:56,390
We are not a distraction,
as the governor suggests.
1368
01:13:56,473 --> 01:14:00,769
We seek nothing more nor less
than fairness for all
Vermont's families.
1369
01:14:01,270 --> 01:14:04,773
Urge your representatives
to protect civil rights
for all Vermonters.
1370
01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:08,735
They were promoting
a view of homosexuality
1371
01:14:08,819 --> 01:14:12,114
that would be palatable
to the Vermont citizens,
1372
01:14:12,531 --> 01:14:16,535
and would pull on
the heartstrings
of Vermont citizens.
1373
01:14:16,994 --> 01:14:20,873
And, boy, some of their stuff
pulled on mine, you know?
1374
01:14:21,415 --> 01:14:24,209
Suddenly we needed
every vote we could get.
1375
01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:27,629
We didn't just need
a majority in the House
and the Senate,
1376
01:14:27,713 --> 01:14:28,964
we needed
a super majority.
1377
01:14:29,047 --> 01:14:32,509
We needed a two-thirds majority
in both the Senate
and the House.
1378
01:14:32,968 --> 01:14:36,388
Susan came back on board
and rekindled some
of those relationships
1379
01:14:36,472 --> 01:14:37,806
that she had
with the legislature,
1380
01:14:37,931 --> 01:14:40,058
which was something
we definitely needed.
1381
01:14:40,601 --> 01:14:44,813
[Beth] The override votes
in both chambers were scheduled
for Tuesday morning.
1382
01:14:44,897 --> 01:14:47,191
When I went home
on Friday,
1383
01:14:47,524 --> 01:14:50,861
in the House, we had the 97
that we knew of because
they were on record
1384
01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:55,073
and we had three people
who had committed
privately to supporting
1385
01:14:55,657 --> 01:14:59,077
the override, even though
they hadn't voted
for the underlying bill.
1386
01:14:59,495 --> 01:15:03,457
Monday, when we got
to the State House,
1387
01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:07,794
we didn't have
the votes anymore.
1388
01:15:08,712 --> 01:15:09,963
One of the key votes,
1389
01:15:10,714 --> 01:15:13,842
a member, had told
some people they
were voting no,
1390
01:15:14,384 --> 01:15:16,136
and told others
they were voting yes.
1391
01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:19,556
And I gotta tell you,
when we left the State House
the night before the vote
1392
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,768
to override,
we didn't have the votes.
1393
01:15:23,602 --> 01:15:26,897
And we knew we were short
at least by one, possibly two.
1394
01:15:28,106 --> 01:15:30,234
[Beth] I pretty much
cried the whole way home.
1395
01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:35,072
It was the lowest time
I think in the whole
process for me.
1396
01:15:36,281 --> 01:15:40,953
I felt tremendously supported
by Kim and I think that was...
1397
01:15:42,579 --> 01:15:44,498
That was the ultimate
comfort through
all of this.
1398
01:15:44,623 --> 01:15:46,291
I can't imagine...
1399
01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:50,045
doing this or anything,
without her by my side.
1400
01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:54,383
Floyd Nease
was the majority leader,
1401
01:15:54,466 --> 01:15:56,510
when I became Speaker
of the House.
1402
01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:59,555
Floyd is and incredibly
compassionate,
1403
01:15:59,888 --> 01:16:01,640
but forceful individual.
1404
01:16:02,015 --> 01:16:05,519
The morning of
the override vote,
1405
01:16:06,019 --> 01:16:09,314
Floyd came and told me,
"I just got a call
1406
01:16:09,773 --> 01:16:12,859
from the nursing home
where my mom is.
1407
01:16:13,318 --> 01:16:17,197
And they've told me
that she is dying,
1408
01:16:17,531 --> 01:16:18,865
I don't know what to do."
1409
01:16:20,033 --> 01:16:22,494
And I said, "Look, Floyd,
your mother's dying.
1410
01:16:22,619 --> 01:16:24,913
There's no other option.
You should go."
1411
01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:29,209
And he said,
"I can't leave right now.
1412
01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:32,504
I'll leave as soon
as the vote's over."
1413
01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:35,507
We knew that we needed
every single vote.
1414
01:16:35,716 --> 01:16:39,261
And not only did we
need the votes, we needed
to have Floyd on the floor
1415
01:16:39,344 --> 01:16:41,221
working people
to switch their vote.
1416
01:16:42,097 --> 01:16:43,807
But before the vote
had happened,
1417
01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:46,184
he got a call to say
that his mom had died.
1418
01:16:47,227 --> 01:16:49,646
And yet, he was able
to come to the floor
1419
01:16:49,730 --> 01:16:50,981
and shore people up.
1420
01:16:51,481 --> 01:16:52,733
It was really incredible.
1421
01:16:54,443 --> 01:16:56,612
We had to make the decision
to take it to a vote
1422
01:16:56,945 --> 01:16:59,156
without having the votes
in hand.
1423
01:17:00,407 --> 01:17:03,493
And we determined
that's what we had to do.
1424
01:17:04,244 --> 01:17:05,954
[man] When I came
to the podium,
1425
01:17:06,204 --> 01:17:08,665
quite frankly,
I was scared to death.
1426
01:17:09,708 --> 01:17:13,045
So, just as a reminder,
"Yes" vote is a vote
to override the veto,
1427
01:17:13,253 --> 01:17:15,756
and "No" vote is a vote
to sustain the veto.
1428
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:17,716
The clerk shall call
the roll.
1429
01:17:17,924 --> 01:17:19,926
-Adams of Hartland.
-No.
1430
01:17:20,385 --> 01:17:22,846
-Ainsworth of Royalton.
-No.
1431
01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:25,140
[man] There was sort of
a feeling of terror.
1432
01:17:25,432 --> 01:17:28,143
But you also have to stand
up there and look confident.
1433
01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:32,314
So, I was just trying
to make sure that I looked
like I knew what I was doing.
1434
01:17:33,106 --> 01:17:35,984
[Beth] We had one vote
that nobody could talk to
because he was so tenuous,
1435
01:17:36,151 --> 01:17:39,988
and we had another vote,
that we didn't know
what was going on.
1436
01:17:40,322 --> 01:17:42,324
And I'm not gonna
name names,
1437
01:17:42,407 --> 01:17:45,369
but I'll say that both
of those votes came
at the very end of the alphabet.
1438
01:17:45,952 --> 01:17:48,497
Which meant that
we weren't really gonna know
1439
01:17:48,622 --> 01:17:51,124
until we got through
the roll call.
1440
01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:53,627
-Lewis of Derby.
-No.
1441
01:17:53,919 --> 01:17:56,630
-Lippert of Hinesburg.
-Yes.
1442
01:17:57,172 --> 01:17:59,633
-Lorber of Burlington.
-Yes.
1443
01:18:00,008 --> 01:18:02,719
-McAllister of Highgate.
-No.
1444
01:18:03,345 --> 01:18:05,180
McCullough of Williston.
1445
01:18:05,347 --> 01:18:08,225
We had those little
pieces of paper and
we were keeping track
1446
01:18:08,308 --> 01:18:10,811
and it was
extremely stressful.
1447
01:18:11,645 --> 01:18:13,855
[man] I had a very hard time
1448
01:18:14,189 --> 01:18:17,484
composing myself
to read the vote tally.
1449
01:18:18,193 --> 01:18:20,529
Please listen to
the results of your vote.
1450
01:18:21,988 --> 01:18:24,825
Those voting "Yes", 100,
1451
01:18:25,158 --> 01:18:27,869
those voting "No", 49.
1452
01:18:28,537 --> 01:18:32,916
A hundred needed to pass.
You have voted to override
the veto.
1453
01:18:32,999 --> 01:18:34,626
The House will come to order.
1454
01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:36,586
[applause]
1455
01:18:45,929 --> 01:18:48,807
[Beth] We'd been at it
for 15 years.
1456
01:18:49,516 --> 01:18:52,811
And... a lot
of people thought
1457
01:18:53,228 --> 01:18:55,188
we'd never get there
in our lifetimes.
1458
01:18:55,772 --> 01:18:58,233
And we had. We'd done it.
We won.
1459
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:05,532
[man] There were people
who took political risks today
1460
01:19:06,032 --> 01:19:07,784
because they knew it was
the right thing to do.
1461
01:19:08,368 --> 01:19:10,495
And they have
my gratitude forever.
1462
01:19:10,579 --> 01:19:13,165
I'm relieved.
I'm overwhelmed.
1463
01:19:13,707 --> 01:19:15,959
We won. Veto 49.
1464
01:19:16,668 --> 01:19:20,714
[man] I went back to my office,
closed the door and wept.
1465
01:19:22,007 --> 01:19:25,010
Vermont was the first state
to grant state-wide
legal recognition
1466
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:27,095
to same-sex couples
nine years ago.
1467
01:19:27,220 --> 01:19:29,473
Now, Vermont continues
its pioneering ways,
1468
01:19:29,598 --> 01:19:32,225
becoming the first state
to make same-sex
marriage legal,
1469
01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:36,062
not because of a court ruling
on the constitutionality
of the issue,
1470
01:19:36,146 --> 01:19:41,151
but because the state
legislature moved proactively
to make it a new law.
1471
01:19:42,652 --> 01:19:46,323
[Cherry] There were
hundreds of people
that were involved
1472
01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:49,868
in this movement.
This was not a gay agenda.
1473
01:19:50,327 --> 01:19:51,787
This was a human agenda.
1474
01:19:52,871 --> 01:19:57,834
Truth and fairness and justice
and love are more powerful
than one man's veto pen.
1475
01:19:58,001 --> 01:19:59,336
[cheering]
1476
01:20:02,547 --> 01:20:04,841
I do want to recognize
the Freedom to Marry board.
1477
01:20:04,966 --> 01:20:09,095
They've been slogging away
in obscurity for many years
until we got to this last year,
1478
01:20:09,179 --> 01:20:11,181
and it's been a lot
of work.
1479
01:20:11,306 --> 01:20:14,309
It's not the kind of board
you join to pad your resume.
1480
01:20:14,643 --> 01:20:15,519
[laughing]
1481
01:20:15,644 --> 01:20:18,230
It's the kind of board
you join to be driven
1482
01:20:18,438 --> 01:20:20,816
to the bone
and then driven some more.
1483
01:20:21,024 --> 01:20:21,900
[laughing]
1484
01:20:22,150 --> 01:20:23,485
We're not done.
1485
01:20:23,777 --> 01:20:26,279
We're not done until
every person who
voted for this bill
1486
01:20:26,404 --> 01:20:29,241
in the House and the Senate
got a thousand thank-you notes.
1487
01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:31,159
[cheering]
1488
01:20:41,253 --> 01:20:46,550
And we're not done until
every person who stood up
and voted for this bill
1489
01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:49,386
is re-elected in
November of 2010.
1490
01:20:56,977 --> 01:21:01,189
[Susan] Marriage is a vital
package of legal rights
and responsibilities.
1491
01:21:02,524 --> 01:21:06,152
But it's also a symbol
of acceptance by the state
1492
01:21:06,278 --> 01:21:08,154
and by the community
at large.
1493
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,994
When Karen and I
got married, it meant
all of those things and more.
1494
01:21:15,328 --> 01:21:17,080
After two dozen years together,
1495
01:21:17,163 --> 01:21:19,040
it was a way to finally
show the world
1496
01:21:19,124 --> 01:21:21,626
the commitment
that we've always had
to one another.
1497
01:21:23,879 --> 01:21:25,714
We are so lucky
to be alive now,
1498
01:21:25,797 --> 01:21:29,968
and to be experiencing
these changes, and to be
a part of making them happen.
1499
01:21:30,635 --> 01:21:33,054
Though we have come
such a long way
from being...
1500
01:21:33,138 --> 01:21:35,515
essentially entire outsiders
to the Constitution,
1501
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,893
to being slowly but surely
brought in
1502
01:21:38,351 --> 01:21:40,353
to those promises
that are there
for everyone.
1503
01:21:42,022 --> 01:21:44,900
One of the great honors
of being governor
1504
01:21:44,983 --> 01:21:46,776
is that you get
to appoint judges.
1505
01:21:47,027 --> 01:21:50,739
So I went out and looked
for the smartest,
most capable lawyer
1506
01:21:50,822 --> 01:21:51,740
that I'd ever met
1507
01:21:52,282 --> 01:21:54,492
as my first appointment
to the Supreme Court.
1508
01:21:54,993 --> 01:21:59,039
There is no one more fair,
there's no one more capable,
1509
01:21:59,331 --> 01:22:01,666
there's no one with
a finer legal mind,
1510
01:22:01,958 --> 01:22:05,253
and there's no one
who is more committed
to justice,
1511
01:22:05,378 --> 01:22:09,132
to integrity, and to doing
the right thing
for all Vermonters,
1512
01:22:09,215 --> 01:22:10,383
than Beth Robinson.
1513
01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:11,968
I, Beth Robinson...
1514
01:22:12,093 --> 01:22:16,389
Do solemnly affirm that I will
faithfully execute the Office
of Associate Justice.
1515
01:22:16,806 --> 01:22:20,727
[Beth] Do solemnly affirm that
I will faithfully execute
the Office of Associate Justice.
1516
01:22:21,019 --> 01:22:22,520
[cheering]
1517
01:22:28,526 --> 01:22:31,279
I'd like to think
that I'm a better person
1518
01:22:31,988 --> 01:22:33,657
because of
the amazing people
1519
01:22:34,866 --> 01:22:37,702
that I've had
the opportunity
to work with.
1520
01:22:38,828 --> 01:22:40,455
I think about
Holly and Lois,
1521
01:22:40,747 --> 01:22:42,958
Nina and Stacy,
and Stan and Peter,
1522
01:22:43,041 --> 01:22:45,085
and Susan, and Mary,
and...
1523
01:22:45,752 --> 01:22:50,757
the hundreds of people
who invited me to their
living room
1524
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,175
to talk to their neighbors.
1525
01:22:53,176 --> 01:22:55,637
Every one of those
people made me
a better person.
1526
01:22:57,055 --> 01:22:59,099
Anybody who's advocating...
1527
01:23:00,266 --> 01:23:04,813
for LGBTQ rights in any way,
whether it's marriage
or anything else...
1528
01:23:05,146 --> 01:23:09,985
and whether the advocate
is gay, or straight, or doesn't
embrace labels at all,
1529
01:23:11,277 --> 01:23:16,074
we need to understand
that the human piece
comes first.
1530
01:23:16,866 --> 01:23:18,618
People's heads
will follow...
1531
01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:21,705
if you get their hearts.
1532
01:23:24,499 --> 01:23:26,918
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music playing]
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