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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,898 --> 00:00:25,358 [instrumental music playing] 2 00:00:54,429 --> 00:00:56,723 [applause] 3 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:02,979 [cheering] 4 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:06,941 [man] We bring you great news from the great state of Vermont! 5 00:01:07,442 --> 00:01:10,445 Remember December 20th, 1999, 6 00:01:10,528 --> 00:01:12,822 for when the Vermont Supreme Court changed 7 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:15,575 the world, as we knew it, forever. 8 00:01:17,285 --> 00:01:18,953 I want to introduce you 9 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:21,331 to two extraordinary Vermonters, 10 00:01:21,623 --> 00:01:23,750 Beth Robinson and Susan Murray. 11 00:01:24,375 --> 00:01:25,460 [crowd cheering] 12 00:01:25,543 --> 00:01:26,461 Hah! 13 00:01:28,713 --> 00:01:30,006 Ladies and gentlemen, 14 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:32,967 from the bottom of my heart, I wish 15 00:01:33,051 --> 00:01:36,429 for each and every one of you the exact same opportunity 16 00:01:36,513 --> 00:01:38,932 for inclusion and respect 17 00:01:39,307 --> 00:01:41,017 that we now have in Vermont. 18 00:01:45,313 --> 00:01:48,900 The struggle for marriage equality is an ongoing struggle. 19 00:01:49,859 --> 00:01:51,402 It's not over. 20 00:01:52,278 --> 00:01:55,448 In the Civil Rights Movement, I saw with my own eyes 21 00:01:55,865 --> 00:01:59,911 that you cannot have equality for some and not equality for all. 22 00:02:00,495 --> 00:02:02,038 Everyone must be included. 23 00:02:02,163 --> 00:02:05,875 Everyone must have a place at the table. 24 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:09,045 What Susan and Beth did 25 00:02:10,588 --> 00:02:11,548 was 26 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:15,218 in keeping with what Rosa Parks 27 00:02:15,593 --> 00:02:16,719 and others did. 28 00:02:31,276 --> 00:02:32,986 [woman] One morning, I came in to work 29 00:02:33,069 --> 00:02:36,239 and I read about a car accident in the newspaper. 30 00:02:37,365 --> 00:02:38,783 A woman had died 31 00:02:39,033 --> 00:02:41,953 and another woman who had been driving was severely injured. 32 00:02:43,246 --> 00:02:46,499 And there was an 18-month-old little boy in the back seat. 33 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:51,212 And there was this horrible, insinuating kind of story 34 00:02:51,296 --> 00:02:53,006 about the fact that that woman who had died 35 00:02:53,089 --> 00:02:54,424 and the woman who was driving the car 36 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:56,384 were in this relationship. 37 00:02:57,176 --> 00:02:59,888 The dead woman's parents were coming up 38 00:03:00,054 --> 00:03:03,182 to Vermont to take the little baby. 39 00:03:04,058 --> 00:03:05,852 And I just couldn't... 40 00:03:05,935 --> 00:03:07,645 I just couldn't, uh, I couldn't... 41 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:09,314 I couldn't stand that. 42 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:13,026 And I represented her through the custody battles. 43 00:03:14,068 --> 00:03:16,446 There were a lot of people living in this state, 44 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:19,407 in the shadows, in exactly this kind of a relationship, 45 00:03:19,532 --> 00:03:21,701 outside of the purview of the law. 46 00:03:21,784 --> 00:03:24,120 And because I was in the newspaper, 47 00:03:24,203 --> 00:03:26,039 they started coming to see me. 48 00:03:26,122 --> 00:03:27,832 So that's how I developed 49 00:03:27,916 --> 00:03:31,544 a gay and lesbian legal practice, family law practice. 50 00:03:31,836 --> 00:03:34,881 In the 1980's, and even into the 1990's, 51 00:03:34,964 --> 00:03:36,424 gay people were under siege. 52 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:38,927 We certainly had no legal right to marry, 53 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:42,222 we had no state level recognition of our families whatsoever. 54 00:03:42,597 --> 00:03:45,391 When I first started in law in 1987, 55 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:47,977 I literally saw contracts 56 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:50,772 that said a person could be fired from their job 57 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:52,982 simply because they're gay. 58 00:03:53,316 --> 00:03:54,943 The whole history of our Constitution 59 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:57,111 is the story of including those 60 00:03:57,195 --> 00:03:58,738 who were once excluded. 61 00:03:58,821 --> 00:04:01,824 In 1996, no state allowed marriage, 62 00:04:01,908 --> 00:04:04,160 and part of the purpose of the federal Defense of Marriage Act 63 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:06,704 was to invite states to discriminate against same-sex couples. 64 00:04:06,829 --> 00:04:09,624 And states accepted that invitation with alacrity. 65 00:04:09,707 --> 00:04:12,669 [Evan] People were losing their kids in custody cases, 66 00:04:12,752 --> 00:04:14,754 people were being discriminated against, 67 00:04:14,837 --> 00:04:17,090 even after years of military service. 68 00:04:17,298 --> 00:04:21,302 It's difficult for people today to appreciate how recently 69 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:23,346 things were horrible. 70 00:04:27,141 --> 00:04:28,309 [Susan] I first met Beth... 71 00:04:28,434 --> 00:04:30,853 I think it was the summer of 1987. 72 00:04:31,980 --> 00:04:35,275 [Beth] I was a brand new intern. 73 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:37,110 A summer law clerk 74 00:04:37,193 --> 00:04:39,320 at the law firm at Langrock Sperry & Wool. 75 00:04:40,363 --> 00:04:43,199 I saw some of the important work Susan was doing, 76 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:46,244 especially as it related to lesbian and gay families. 77 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:50,748 I quickly realized that a lot of the legal protections 78 00:04:50,832 --> 00:04:53,835 that heterosexual married couples don't even think about 79 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:57,255 weren't there for same-sex couples. 80 00:04:57,797 --> 00:05:02,093 Susan quickly became a professional mentor to me, and... 81 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:04,053 It was the beginning of a fast friendship. 82 00:05:04,887 --> 00:05:06,139 Antonio, come on! 83 00:05:06,347 --> 00:05:10,059 [Susan] Beth is a small and incredible bundle of energy 84 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:11,227 and always has been. 85 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:12,979 I've met a lot of smart people in my lifetime, 86 00:05:13,062 --> 00:05:15,315 but she has an exquisite legal mind. 87 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,066 But she's also a blast. 88 00:05:17,233 --> 00:05:20,236 She would eat nothing but Pixy Stix. 89 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,655 She would just eat Pixy Stix after Pixy Stix. 90 00:05:22,739 --> 00:05:23,823 That was her sugar fix. 91 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:26,326 [Beth] I grew up in Indiana, 92 00:05:26,492 --> 00:05:28,369 but I was part of a big, happy family. 93 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:29,662 Wonderful parents. 94 00:05:29,954 --> 00:05:31,956 As a young girl, I was enthralled by Atticus Finch 95 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,291 in To Kill a Mockingbird. 96 00:05:33,666 --> 00:05:35,293 I don't want to make too much of it, 97 00:05:35,418 --> 00:05:37,879 but I think the notion of a small-time lawyer who 98 00:05:38,046 --> 00:05:39,547 helps their neighbors 99 00:05:39,756 --> 00:05:41,883 and can be relied upon 100 00:05:42,383 --> 00:05:43,718 to do the right thing, 101 00:05:43,801 --> 00:05:46,804 even when doing the right thing might make them unpopular. 102 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:50,224 I mean, what's not to admire about that? 103 00:05:51,225 --> 00:05:54,979 [Susan] My parents were the epitome to me 104 00:05:55,104 --> 00:05:57,732 of what it was like to be a committed married couple. 105 00:05:57,857 --> 00:06:00,026 They sacrificed everything for their kids. 106 00:06:00,359 --> 00:06:03,988 I knew I was... gay 107 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:06,407 probably fairly early on, as a teenager, 108 00:06:06,657 --> 00:06:10,495 but that was not a time when there was even such a word as "lesbianism." 109 00:06:10,703 --> 00:06:13,706 I eventually came out to my parents when I met someone. 110 00:06:13,831 --> 00:06:16,709 And it was hard on them initially. 111 00:06:16,876 --> 00:06:20,379 They went to a counselor, who actually happened to be a Roman Catholic nun. 112 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:23,883 And apparently, the nun told them... Asked them whether I was happy, 113 00:06:23,966 --> 00:06:25,259 and my parents said, "Yes," 114 00:06:25,384 --> 00:06:28,012 and the nun said, "Then, don't worry about it." 115 00:06:28,096 --> 00:06:32,058 [laughs] That was the response and so, that's where they... That's where they ended up. 116 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:36,187 Karen and I met in 1986, at our friend's house. 117 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:38,606 We were all going to sit down and watch The Wizard of Oz, 118 00:06:38,689 --> 00:06:40,525 and we just hit it off. 119 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:43,986 And then we just kept talking, and we've been talking ever since. 120 00:06:44,779 --> 00:06:47,657 Mary Bonauto and Evan Wolfson were 121 00:06:47,865 --> 00:06:51,369 the earliest and most persuasive voices 122 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:54,330 on these questions of marriage equality. 123 00:06:54,413 --> 00:06:57,416 And that was very important to my own evolution on the issue. 124 00:06:58,084 --> 00:06:59,544 In early 1994, 125 00:06:59,627 --> 00:07:02,797 I pulled together lawyers from around the six New England states, 126 00:07:03,047 --> 00:07:04,465 to meet at GLAD, and to talk 127 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:06,717 about the opportunity that we now had 128 00:07:06,801 --> 00:07:09,178 to really pursue the marriage issue. 129 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:13,141 There were people at the table who thought this was a folly. 130 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:14,559 Even reckless. 131 00:07:15,059 --> 00:07:18,729 Beth and Susan clearly said there is a path forward in Vermont. 132 00:07:19,063 --> 00:07:22,900 [Susan] In 1994, Beth and I set up a little workshop. 133 00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:25,153 [Beth] This is for the annal. 134 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:26,404 Hello. 135 00:07:26,612 --> 00:07:27,572 Hi, Beth. 136 00:07:30,241 --> 00:07:31,284 Susan? 137 00:07:32,326 --> 00:07:34,412 Susan, this is for the historical record. Say hello. 138 00:07:34,495 --> 00:07:35,788 Hello. [laughs] 139 00:07:35,955 --> 00:07:37,415 One of the questions I asked was, 140 00:07:37,498 --> 00:07:39,792 "What do you think about taking on the idea 141 00:07:39,876 --> 00:07:42,670 of working toward marriage for gay couples?" 142 00:07:42,795 --> 00:07:45,840 And most of the people in the room said that sounds like a terrible idea. 143 00:07:45,923 --> 00:07:48,468 I remember them talking about... 144 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:53,514 "We have this goal of establishing marriage in Vermont." 145 00:07:54,932 --> 00:07:56,726 And there was a group of us and we're sitting there 146 00:07:56,809 --> 00:07:59,187 and I have to tell you, I was like, "Marriage? 147 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,397 Really?" 148 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:05,359 [Susan] The only discussion about gay marriage was happening in Hawaii, 149 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:08,070 you know, what, 6,000 miles away from Vermont. 150 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:10,156 [Evan] I was co-counsel on the Hawaii case, 151 00:08:10,239 --> 00:08:13,993 but, ultimately, we didn't succeed in Hawaii, and the reason was 152 00:08:14,410 --> 00:08:17,079 we weren't as effective in making the case 153 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:18,748 in the court of public opinion 154 00:08:19,123 --> 00:08:21,792 as we were in making the case in the court of law. 155 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:24,754 [Susan] By 1995, 156 00:08:24,837 --> 00:08:27,840 Beth and I, along with about a half dozen other volunteers 157 00:08:27,924 --> 00:08:31,010 formed the Vermont Freedom to Marry Task Force. 158 00:08:31,135 --> 00:08:33,638 We had no money, and a lot of energy. 159 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:36,307 [Beth] We knew that this wasn't gonna succeed 160 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:39,268 if it was the gay community by itself. 161 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:42,813 This had to be something that... 162 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:48,736 Fairmont and Vermonters across the political spectrum embraced. 163 00:08:49,195 --> 00:08:52,323 Beth Robinson and Susan Murray 164 00:08:52,448 --> 00:08:54,283 had this kind of traveling roadshow. 165 00:08:54,367 --> 00:08:57,328 They would go to the county fairs, They'd set up their table, 166 00:08:57,912 --> 00:09:01,415 and the goal was to just tell stories. 167 00:09:01,499 --> 00:09:06,128 To introduce gay and lesbian couples to people in an unexpected place. 168 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:08,548 And believe me, a county fair would be an unexpected place 169 00:09:08,631 --> 00:09:11,801 to meet a gay rights advocacy group. 170 00:09:11,884 --> 00:09:16,347 [Beth] Joseph Watson and another volunteer built this giant booth, 171 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:19,100 It was eight-feet high, and 16-feet wide. 172 00:09:19,183 --> 00:09:21,394 It filled an entire space at the fair. 173 00:09:21,936 --> 00:09:26,774 I remember sitting in the booth, kinda nervous, and I see a guy... 174 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:32,405 Dirty jeans, flannel shirt, John Deere cap, and I think, "Oh. 175 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:35,908 This is one of these hostile encounters we've been training people for." 176 00:09:36,367 --> 00:09:39,620 He stops, and pauses, and says, 177 00:09:40,496 --> 00:09:41,622 "My son is gay. 178 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,042 I love him dearly, and I'm glad you're here." 179 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,712 And then he turns and walks away. 180 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:49,922 And I realize 181 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:54,093 I've just engaged in exactly the kind of stereotyping 182 00:09:54,635 --> 00:09:57,013 that I'm asking other people not to engage in. 183 00:09:58,180 --> 00:09:59,515 And it... 184 00:10:00,308 --> 00:10:02,351 It was an eye-opening moment. 185 00:10:03,686 --> 00:10:05,187 [Mary] At some point, we had to decide 186 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:07,732 was there going to be a marriage case, and if so, when? 187 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:12,403 And in 1996, I drove up to Beth's home, 188 00:10:12,486 --> 00:10:13,904 Susan was there, 189 00:10:13,988 --> 00:10:18,451 and we sat down and talked about what would be ahead. 190 00:10:19,368 --> 00:10:22,079 And we believed, all three of us believed, 191 00:10:22,163 --> 00:10:24,123 that we each had something unique to offer. 192 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:28,169 I think in the early days, I was the undisciplined, impulsive one of the group. 193 00:10:28,252 --> 00:10:29,253 Really? Why is that? 194 00:10:29,462 --> 00:10:30,671 I don't know, 'cause people say that. 195 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:32,131 Oh. [laughs] 196 00:10:32,882 --> 00:10:34,759 No, I can tell you that I felt... 197 00:10:34,842 --> 00:10:37,428 I mean, I was just a brand new lawyer, and, 198 00:10:38,512 --> 00:10:40,681 suddenly, I was sorta hanging out with 199 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:44,727 a giant in the movement and a giant in Vermont, 200 00:10:44,852 --> 00:10:49,190 I mean, I think over time, we sorta, you know, I caught up, hopefully. 201 00:10:49,273 --> 00:10:53,235 I'm not a giant, but I mean, like, equalized. I felt more like a peer, 202 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:56,322 but I think, at first, I felt like the summer intern. 203 00:10:56,405 --> 00:10:59,283 You came in like, "Oh, I'm this new lawyer," and so on, 204 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:00,826 but you were on everything. 205 00:11:01,077 --> 00:11:05,164 You would ask the most incisive questions, completely, like... 206 00:11:05,247 --> 00:11:06,540 -Exactly. -Had analyzed everything. 207 00:11:06,624 --> 00:11:08,417 So, the two of you, I just felt like, "Don't give me this." 208 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:12,380 [Susan] Mary gave Beth and I some street cred, if you would, 209 00:11:12,505 --> 00:11:14,757 some credibility with the national legal groups, 210 00:11:15,299 --> 00:11:17,593 'cause there might be some tendency to think 211 00:11:17,676 --> 00:11:19,929 that we might be some yahoos who didn't know what we were doing. 212 00:11:20,429 --> 00:11:23,224 There were a lot of people from outside of Vermont 213 00:11:23,307 --> 00:11:25,726 that wanted to try to control this case, 214 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:27,645 and Mary said no. 215 00:11:27,728 --> 00:11:29,063 You know, that's not gonna happen. 216 00:11:29,146 --> 00:11:31,148 This is a Vermont case, these are Vermont lawyers. 217 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:33,526 This is gonna be a Vermont matter. 218 00:11:33,859 --> 00:11:37,863 Mary didn't care whether Beth and Susan got credit, 219 00:11:37,988 --> 00:11:40,616 and Beth and Susan didn't care whether Mary got credit. 220 00:11:41,117 --> 00:11:44,537 And that characterized, I think, their relationship from the very beginning. 221 00:11:44,954 --> 00:11:47,123 [Susan] We were looking for three plaintiff couples, 222 00:11:47,206 --> 00:11:51,460 who were going to be rock-solid as couples, 223 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:53,337 who were articulate, 224 00:11:53,712 --> 00:11:57,883 and willing to go through the trouble of being in front of the media, 225 00:11:57,967 --> 00:12:00,803 and working really hard without complaint. 226 00:12:01,137 --> 00:12:03,180 Ultimately, um, 227 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:07,810 the folks that we all know and love as the plaintiffs in the Baker case... 228 00:12:07,893 --> 00:12:10,563 Each of them brought something different to the mix, 229 00:12:10,938 --> 00:12:13,607 and each of them brought something vital to the mix. 230 00:12:21,949 --> 00:12:22,908 [Susan] Holly and Lois. 231 00:12:23,117 --> 00:12:27,663 When we first ran into them, they were together for 25 years already. 232 00:12:27,788 --> 00:12:29,373 They'd already raised a child, 233 00:12:29,707 --> 00:12:32,418 they'd done incredible amounts of volunteer work, 234 00:12:32,501 --> 00:12:34,670 building for Habitat for Humanity, 235 00:12:34,753 --> 00:12:37,339 riding their bicycles across country for the Girl Scouts, 236 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:39,467 very active in their church, 237 00:12:39,884 --> 00:12:42,052 and they just wanted to get married. 238 00:12:42,761 --> 00:12:45,639 What do I love about Lois? Wow. 239 00:12:46,307 --> 00:12:50,144 She's kind, she's caring, she's gentle. 240 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:53,939 [Lois] Okay, so that's a dollar, 75... 241 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:57,401 Two dollars. 3.07 please. 242 00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:03,616 Holly and I have been together 41 years, one month and five days. 243 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:07,453 Holly's my companion, my friend. 244 00:13:07,828 --> 00:13:09,079 We share a lot. 245 00:13:09,747 --> 00:13:12,291 How'd we meet? [laughs] Whoops! 246 00:13:12,833 --> 00:13:14,960 I was teaching statistics class, 247 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:20,466 and there was this very attractive gray-haired, lanky woman. 248 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:24,678 And it turns out it was Lois, and... 249 00:13:25,596 --> 00:13:27,097 We did behave ourselves. 250 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:31,101 We didn't do any, what one would now call dating, 251 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,480 until after the semester was over. 252 00:13:36,982 --> 00:13:39,109 -This tastes good. -Yeah. 253 00:13:40,319 --> 00:13:43,989 [Lois] We just decided that we would spend the rest of our lives together. 254 00:13:47,243 --> 00:13:48,827 [Susan] Stan and Peter 255 00:13:49,828 --> 00:13:52,331 are two of the most gentle people. 256 00:13:52,665 --> 00:13:56,794 Stan's a therapist, and now actually an Episcopal priest, 257 00:13:57,253 --> 00:14:00,548 and Peter's a musical theater professor. 258 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:06,262 [Stan] When I came out publicly, in mid-life, 259 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:09,765 I dated some other guys and it was fun, but it wasn't love. 260 00:14:10,307 --> 00:14:12,268 But with Peter, there's something... 261 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:16,146 He radiated in his intelligence, and his maturity, 262 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:17,523 and in his innocence. 263 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,609 It was clear, he was deeply special. 264 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:24,321 Stan, he's very handsome, he's funny, 265 00:14:24,613 --> 00:14:26,323 he's understanding. 266 00:14:26,448 --> 00:14:29,451 He really allows me to be myself, 267 00:14:29,535 --> 00:14:32,872 in a much deeper way than I ever really thought I could. 268 00:14:35,833 --> 00:14:38,502 [Susan] Stacy and Nina brought us this wonderful energy, 269 00:14:38,669 --> 00:14:42,131 and they brought their child with them, Noah. 270 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:44,341 I met Stacy doing martial arts, 271 00:14:44,425 --> 00:14:46,677 which is something that's near and dear to both of our hearts. 272 00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:51,932 She has a very unique way of looking at the world, 273 00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:57,688 and had a strong sense of spirituality, 274 00:14:57,771 --> 00:15:00,024 and I felt very drawn to that. 275 00:15:00,232 --> 00:15:03,777 Nina's unbelievably sexy. 276 00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:06,322 She's 58 years old, and... 277 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:10,326 I still think she blows away any woman in any room. 278 00:15:10,618 --> 00:15:15,164 And it's pretty amazing to have that alive 279 00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:17,875 after 23 years. 280 00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:22,212 On June 17th, 1997, 281 00:15:22,296 --> 00:15:25,174 Peter and I went into the Shelburne Town Clerk's office 282 00:15:25,257 --> 00:15:28,177 and said, "We would like a marriage license." 283 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:33,641 And she didn't want to say no, and yet, the laws of the state 284 00:15:33,724 --> 00:15:35,309 said that she had to say no. 285 00:15:35,768 --> 00:15:39,563 Once the town clerks denied their requests for marriage licenses, 286 00:15:39,688 --> 00:15:43,359 it was really our turn as their lawyers to take it from there. 287 00:15:43,567 --> 00:15:45,986 Three homosexual couples filed a lawsuit today, 288 00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:49,698 challenging a Vermont State law that prohibits same-sex marriages. 289 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:53,077 The plaintiffs say the ban violates the Equal Protection Clause 290 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,745 in the State Constitution. 291 00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:58,165 All of a sudden, we were the center of attention. 292 00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:01,627 Life got complex, if not, crazy. 293 00:16:02,586 --> 00:16:05,089 I'm the pastor of the Cambridge United Church, 294 00:16:05,172 --> 00:16:09,218 I've been married to my wife, Deb, for 39 years. 295 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,220 Yes, 39 years. 296 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,722 Homosexual behavior 297 00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:16,934 is a desecration of the very image 298 00:16:17,017 --> 00:16:19,812 and reality of who we are as human beings. 299 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:23,983 Early on, we got leaders together, 300 00:16:24,108 --> 00:16:26,860 we got input from the folks in Hawaii, 301 00:16:27,027 --> 00:16:30,322 we got a scope of what the battle was going to be, 302 00:16:30,406 --> 00:16:33,242 we determined we were the ones that would have to be 303 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:35,869 getting together to do something about it. 304 00:16:37,079 --> 00:16:38,455 Good morning. I'm Beth Robinson. 305 00:16:39,581 --> 00:16:42,376 I'm thrilled to work with Susan Murray on this case, 306 00:16:42,459 --> 00:16:45,671 and I'm honored to represent the plaintiffs that we're representing. 307 00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:47,715 These plaintiffs want to get married. 308 00:16:47,923 --> 00:16:49,133 They want to marry each other 309 00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:51,802 for the same reasons that many people want to marry each other. 310 00:16:51,885 --> 00:16:53,554 They love each other, 311 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,473 they want to make a public, legal commitment to one another. 312 00:16:57,099 --> 00:16:59,727 Their lives are already interwoven 313 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:02,438 emotionally, spiritually, financially. 314 00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:05,899 and they're seeking legal protection and responsibilities 315 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:07,401 that flow from civil marriage. 316 00:17:08,652 --> 00:17:11,530 To Beth's right, are Lois Farnham 317 00:17:11,613 --> 00:17:14,742 and her partner of 25 years, Holly Puterbaugh. 318 00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:18,954 To Mary's left, are Stan Baker and Peter Harrigan. 319 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:21,457 There's a third couple involved in this lawsuit, 320 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:23,834 Stacy Jolles and Nina Beck. 321 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:26,962 Unfortunately, Stacy and Nina could not be here today. 322 00:17:27,129 --> 00:17:30,382 Yesterday, their two-and-half-year-old son was rushed to the hospital 323 00:17:30,507 --> 00:17:32,176 with a serious lung condition, 324 00:17:32,301 --> 00:17:35,679 so obviously, that takes precedence over this press conference. 325 00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:39,308 [Stacy] Noah was our first child. 326 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:41,685 He was born with a heart condition. 327 00:17:42,811 --> 00:17:44,313 People called him, "The Buddha." 328 00:17:44,813 --> 00:17:48,609 He was... a very old and wise spirit. 329 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:51,987 Noah died. 330 00:17:52,863 --> 00:17:54,114 August 29th. 331 00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:56,241 Waiting for a heart transplant. 332 00:17:57,951 --> 00:17:59,536 At Boston Children's hospital... 333 00:18:01,622 --> 00:18:02,748 in my arms. 334 00:18:05,667 --> 00:18:07,377 They didn't know what to do with us. 335 00:18:07,795 --> 00:18:11,381 They came... The man came to sign a death warrant, 336 00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:15,177 and the mother's name, fine, they put that in the spot, 337 00:18:15,302 --> 00:18:19,723 the father's name... and we told them Stacy's name could go there. 338 00:18:19,848 --> 00:18:21,517 And he could not get that. 339 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,310 He could not understand that. 340 00:18:23,477 --> 00:18:25,938 I literally sat with this man for at least an hour, 341 00:18:26,063 --> 00:18:28,607 trying to explain to him my relationship to Noah. 342 00:18:28,857 --> 00:18:30,901 And finally, a friend who was there with us, said, 343 00:18:30,984 --> 00:18:33,237 "Just put her name there." 344 00:18:33,862 --> 00:18:35,280 And he did. 345 00:18:35,989 --> 00:18:39,952 Beth and Susan were right there with us, with Noah. 346 00:18:40,077 --> 00:18:41,411 They, um... 347 00:18:41,912 --> 00:18:45,916 asked if we wanted to step out of the lawsuit at that point. 348 00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:50,587 And for me, there was no way I would step out of the lawsuit. 349 00:18:50,712 --> 00:18:53,382 It was more important than ever to... 350 00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:55,843 protect the rights of children, 351 00:18:57,094 --> 00:18:58,971 who had gay or lesbian parents. 352 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:06,895 [Beth] In the December of 1997, the Superior Court issued an order, 353 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:10,149 saying that the towns did not violate the Constitution 354 00:19:10,274 --> 00:19:12,109 by denying the licenses. 355 00:19:12,192 --> 00:19:14,319 [Mary] So we're on our way to the Vermont Supreme Court, 356 00:19:14,403 --> 00:19:18,490 and it consumed all of us. 357 00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:21,076 Every day, we spent hours on the phone, 358 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,370 going through things line by line. 359 00:19:23,453 --> 00:19:25,914 And this went on for months, 360 00:19:26,081 --> 00:19:28,792 before we finally felt like our briefs were polished enough 361 00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:30,836 and ready to file in the Vermont Supreme Court. 362 00:19:32,921 --> 00:19:36,842 [Eve] When the Baker case came into the Attorney General's office, 363 00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:39,344 we had to come up with what we thought 364 00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:42,389 were plausible reasons for the legislature 365 00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:45,851 to have said that marriage would be between one man and one woman, 366 00:19:45,934 --> 00:19:49,062 and we came up with about six different rationales. 367 00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:52,983 Normally, a brief to the Supreme Court would be 30 pages long, 368 00:19:53,066 --> 00:19:55,194 and we got permission to make it longer. 369 00:19:55,277 --> 00:19:57,613 In fact, our brief was over 90 pages long. 370 00:19:58,447 --> 00:20:02,117 At some point, we had to make a decision about 371 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:05,370 who was going to argue the case in front of Vermont Supreme Court. 372 00:20:05,495 --> 00:20:06,997 It was actually my call. 373 00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:09,249 I being the senior partner. 374 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:11,043 From my perspective, 375 00:20:11,126 --> 00:20:13,462 Mary couldn't do it, 'cause she wasn't a Vermonter. 376 00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:15,339 And then, between Beth and me, 377 00:20:15,464 --> 00:20:18,634 I thought that Beth was the better person to argue. 378 00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:20,802 She's a brilliant mind, 379 00:20:20,886 --> 00:20:24,681 and really had all of the constitutional law issues at her fingertips. 380 00:20:24,848 --> 00:20:27,226 I felt a lot of pressure, but, um... 381 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,561 but I was also thrilled to be doing it. 382 00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:31,647 I knew that if I fell flat on my face, 383 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,400 and embarrassed myself in front of my colleagues, and the community, 384 00:20:35,484 --> 00:20:37,361 and the plaintiffs, and everybody who was counting on me, 385 00:20:37,986 --> 00:20:40,113 I still had someone to come home to, who was gonna... 386 00:20:41,281 --> 00:20:43,033 support me, come hell or high water. 387 00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:47,329 But it wasn't as though Kim was home, 388 00:20:47,496 --> 00:20:49,206 waiting for me with my slippers at the door, 389 00:20:49,289 --> 00:20:51,875 She was in medical school and then she was a resident 390 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:53,919 and then she was starting her medical practice, 391 00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:57,673 and so, we were both running around like maniacs. 392 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:01,969 [Susan] In order to get ready for an oral argument 393 00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:03,345 of this magnitude, 394 00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:05,931 you don't just read the briefs the night before 395 00:21:06,014 --> 00:21:08,058 and say, "Oh, okay. I think I'm ready." 396 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:11,728 [Beth] We really struggled with how to put together the argument. 397 00:21:11,895 --> 00:21:13,730 And I just really wanted to get away 398 00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:15,983 from just the legal pieces. 399 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:17,693 I wanted to tell a story. 400 00:21:17,859 --> 00:21:20,570 We gathered lawyers in Boston, 401 00:21:20,696 --> 00:21:22,823 and Beth made a presentation. 402 00:21:22,906 --> 00:21:25,117 And they critiqued her approach. 403 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:28,245 And they said, "That just wasn't right, there's something wrong. 404 00:21:28,328 --> 00:21:29,496 It just was off." 405 00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:36,586 And we drove back to Vermont, 406 00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:39,798 and I have a very distinct memory of being 407 00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:42,009 in Beth's living room. I think it was a Sunday night. 408 00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:44,678 And she said, "How about this?" 409 00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:47,681 [Beth] I said, "Susan, I want to try out something on you." 410 00:21:48,098 --> 00:21:50,809 And so, I tried out this... 411 00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:54,604 introduction that I had been thinking about, 412 00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:58,275 and it was a story not about a same-sex couple. 413 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,278 It was about a court in California, in 1948, 414 00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:04,197 that found itself in a very similar situation. 415 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,075 And it talked about all the parallels. 416 00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:09,119 And it talked about what that court did. 417 00:22:09,286 --> 00:22:11,246 And I just went, "That's it." 418 00:22:11,455 --> 00:22:14,041 That's it. That's it. She had it. 419 00:22:17,377 --> 00:22:21,381 [man] Finally, the day came. People lined up outside the Supreme Court building. 420 00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:24,468 They handed out tickets to the oral argument. 421 00:22:24,634 --> 00:22:26,428 The courtroom itself was full. 422 00:22:26,511 --> 00:22:29,890 There were radio and television reporters from around the world. 423 00:22:30,265 --> 00:22:33,894 They set up chairs in this large room outside 424 00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,521 and they carried the video out there so that everyone could see it. 425 00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:39,149 [Jeff] And the first thing that struck me, walking into the courtroom, was that 426 00:22:39,232 --> 00:22:40,358 I've never seen it so crowded. 427 00:22:40,442 --> 00:22:41,943 You know, there was an atmosphere there 428 00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:45,906 that was unusual and extraordinary. 429 00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:52,788 Representing the appellants, Stan Baker et al., is Beth Robinson. 430 00:22:53,538 --> 00:22:56,083 Representing the appellee, the State of Vermont, 431 00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:59,336 are Eve Jacobs-Carnahan and Tim Tomasi. 432 00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:02,214 [Beth] May it please the court. 433 00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:05,175 The question in this case 434 00:23:05,258 --> 00:23:08,178 is not whether we in this room, as individuals, 435 00:23:08,261 --> 00:23:12,015 approve of a policy that permits same-sex couples to marry. 436 00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:14,601 The question in this case is rather 437 00:23:14,684 --> 00:23:18,480 whether the legislature, having adopted a marriage statute 438 00:23:18,605 --> 00:23:21,274 that permits only opposite-sex couples to marry, 439 00:23:21,358 --> 00:23:23,151 has acted unconstitutionally. 440 00:23:24,027 --> 00:23:27,280 Plaintiffs here seek a right which has never been granted 441 00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:29,825 in any state in the United States, 442 00:23:29,908 --> 00:23:31,785 or in any country in the world. 443 00:23:31,952 --> 00:23:35,413 [Mary] To be in the Vermont Supreme Court on that day was... electric. 444 00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:39,501 I had enormous confidence in Beth, we all did, and for good reason. 445 00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:43,964 [Susan] Beth is so short, she had to put the little step down, so she could stand on it, 446 00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:46,258 so she could be seen over the dais. 447 00:23:46,967 --> 00:23:48,593 And she just started talking. 448 00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:50,220 And you could hear a pin drop. 449 00:23:50,846 --> 00:23:52,764 Susan Murray, Mary Bonauto, and I 450 00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:54,808 have the privilege of representing, this morning, 451 00:23:54,891 --> 00:23:56,601 Nina Beck and Stacy Jolles, 452 00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:58,603 Stan Baker and Peter Harrigan, 453 00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,772 and Holly Puterbaugh and Lois Farnham. 454 00:24:02,315 --> 00:24:03,567 Fifty years ago, 455 00:24:03,817 --> 00:24:07,195 the California Supreme Court handed down its decision, 456 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,490 in the landmark case of Perez v. Lippold, 457 00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:13,535 striking down California's ban on interracial marriage. 458 00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:18,248 The parallels between that case and this case are striking. 459 00:24:19,457 --> 00:24:22,878 It's easy to sit here, in 1998, and look back 460 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:25,213 and say that that decision was an easy one. 461 00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:28,842 Of course, the ban on interracial marriage was unconstitutional. 462 00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:30,594 But at the time, 463 00:24:30,677 --> 00:24:34,181 30 of the 48 states in this country prohibited interracial marriage. 464 00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:38,852 In fact, six found it so odious that they prohibited it by constitutional provision. 465 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:43,106 Nine out of ten Americans opposed interracial marriage. 466 00:24:43,231 --> 00:24:47,986 In fact, the notion of a black person and a white person marrying 467 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,779 was as antithetical 468 00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:52,657 to many people's conceptions of what a marriage was 469 00:24:53,074 --> 00:24:55,076 as the notion of a man marrying a man, 470 00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:56,703 or a woman marrying a woman 471 00:24:56,786 --> 00:24:59,372 appears to be to the State of Vermont today. 472 00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:03,293 It was by far, the best oral argument I've ever seen. 473 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:07,172 Thank you so much to Mary Bonauto from GLAD, 474 00:25:07,422 --> 00:25:10,717 to Susan Murray, from Langrock Sperry & Wool in Middlebury, 475 00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:13,887 and to Beth Robinson, you rock! 476 00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:15,931 [crowd cheering] 477 00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:38,995 [man] After the oral argument, the justice assigned a case. 478 00:25:39,955 --> 00:25:41,706 In this case, that would have been me. 479 00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:46,419 We'll prepare a draft to circulate it to the other justices. 480 00:25:46,753 --> 00:25:48,713 They'll be back and forth on the issues, 481 00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:51,258 and that process can take the better part of a year. 482 00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:54,386 We had a lot to do during that time. 483 00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,847 Vermont Freedom to Marry Task Force was busier than ever. 484 00:25:58,306 --> 00:26:00,767 Susan and I, we were still working full time, 485 00:26:00,850 --> 00:26:03,561 and then taking these trips on the road, and I can just remember 486 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,188 we got out of a meeting, 487 00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:07,399 it was a week night... 488 00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:10,902 It was probably 10:00, and we still had a three-hour drive home. 489 00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:15,573 We hadn't had dinner. I can remember going to some convenience mart, 490 00:26:15,657 --> 00:26:19,953 and not finding anything that we could stand to eat. 491 00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:23,832 I just remember thinking, "Wow, this is going to be a long haul." 492 00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:28,670 But, as exhausting as that was, I also thought, 493 00:26:30,046 --> 00:26:31,089 "This is fun." 494 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:37,804 [Mark Candon] Vermont was an unbelievably idyllic, wonderful place 495 00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:40,265 to grow up, when I was a kid. 496 00:26:41,558 --> 00:26:43,393 And it's not nearly as good now. 497 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,772 The fourth commandment in the Catholic Church, 498 00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:50,066 is, "Honor thy father and thy mother." 499 00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,193 And that withstood 500 00:26:53,194 --> 00:26:57,532 5,700 years of Judeo-Christian history. 501 00:26:58,116 --> 00:27:00,910 Now, we're gonna take a step and go another direction? 502 00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:02,620 Why? 503 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:09,711 Marriage is a foundational institution, 504 00:27:09,794 --> 00:27:11,880 and for me, personally, 505 00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:14,382 it's the relationship that I have with my wife, 506 00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:16,843 and my children, and my grandchildren. 507 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:19,763 Homosexuality from a Biblical point of view 508 00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:22,974 is harmful to the people, to society, 509 00:27:23,058 --> 00:27:25,310 and to their growth and closeness to God. 510 00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:28,438 I have heard many of our opponents 511 00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:33,985 say that for two women to live together in a marriage, 512 00:27:34,569 --> 00:27:38,531 the Bible says that it's an abomination. 513 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:41,576 First thing I can point out is, 514 00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:44,162 if we believe everything written in the Bible, 515 00:27:44,245 --> 00:27:46,331 you better go find yourselves slaves, 516 00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:50,126 because the Bible tells you very carefully, how to take care of slaves. 517 00:27:50,543 --> 00:27:56,132 In the same chapter where it says that it's abomination for two men to lie together, 518 00:27:56,257 --> 00:27:59,886 it also says you should not eat anything on cloves, 519 00:27:59,969 --> 00:28:01,721 which takes away pigs, 520 00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:05,475 you should not eat shellfish, which takes away shrimp... 521 00:28:05,975 --> 00:28:07,977 You should not wear clothes of mixed fiber, 522 00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:12,399 which our good, normal polyester-cotton mixes would be gone. 523 00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:16,653 I think love is the real message in the Bible. 524 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,697 And it's love at all levels. 525 00:28:20,949 --> 00:28:23,576 Between the time of the oral argument 526 00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:27,831 and the time of the Supreme Court's decision finally came out, 527 00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:29,499 we had our second son. 528 00:28:29,707 --> 00:28:33,753 [Nina] Our son Seth was born just a month before the decision was announced, 529 00:28:34,462 --> 00:28:36,631 and it was wonderful that he was here. 530 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,137 [Stacy] He is the most extroverted human being 531 00:28:42,262 --> 00:28:44,347 I think you can possibly ever meet. 532 00:28:44,472 --> 00:28:48,810 I don't know how two introverts could create such an extrovert. 533 00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:52,439 But he genuinely loves people. 534 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,860 So the Vermont Supreme Court always issues its decisions on a Friday. 535 00:28:57,444 --> 00:28:59,279 I wore the same suit every Friday. 536 00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:01,489 Because it's the suit I wanted to wear 537 00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:05,869 for the press conference when the decision came down. 538 00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:09,831 People started making fun of me because they'd see my Friday suit on. 539 00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:13,126 I just switched suits 'cause the suit was really 540 00:29:13,209 --> 00:29:15,587 seasonally appropriate for the winter, but not the summer. 541 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,050 And the weather started getting cold again, 542 00:29:21,134 --> 00:29:23,178 and I went back to my old press conference suit. 543 00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,805 It felt like a long wait. 544 00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:29,142 When the Baker decision came out, 545 00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,896 it was on a Monday morning and it took everyone by surprise. 546 00:29:33,354 --> 00:29:36,065 I got a heads-up call from someone I know, 547 00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:40,361 close to the court, who said, "Stand by, we've got a big decision 548 00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:41,696 just about to be released." 549 00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:44,073 And it was about 10:30 a.m. 550 00:29:44,407 --> 00:29:47,660 And our deadline, drop-dead deadline, was 10:30 in the morning, 551 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,205 and I called my editors, and said, "Hold the press." 552 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:52,874 It was one of those real "Hold the press" moments. 553 00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:58,213 The decision is coming over the fax line, one very slow page at a time, 554 00:29:58,296 --> 00:29:59,964 and it was 80 some odd pages. 555 00:30:00,089 --> 00:30:03,510 We had a press conference. We had to read the decision 556 00:30:03,593 --> 00:30:06,095 in the car, while we were driving up to Burlington. 557 00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:10,099 But we did stop at her house on the way, so she could change into her suit. 558 00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:14,562 A decision from the Vermont Supreme Court today has moved Vermont one step closer 559 00:30:14,687 --> 00:30:16,940 to allowing same-sex couples to marry. 560 00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:20,944 The decision is being called the first of its kind in the nation. 561 00:30:21,027 --> 00:30:23,738 [reporter] The Vermont Supreme Court says gay and lesbian couples 562 00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,658 must be granted the same benefits and protections 563 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,160 given married couples of the opposite sex. 564 00:30:29,452 --> 00:30:33,122 But the High Court stopped short of giving gay couples the right to marry 565 00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,167 instead, passing the issue on to the Vermont Legislature. 566 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:38,962 Mary and I got on the phone right after we got the decision 567 00:30:39,128 --> 00:30:42,966 and really wrestled with how do we see this. 568 00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:44,551 Did we win? Did we lose? 569 00:30:44,634 --> 00:30:46,594 The court got the "what" right, 570 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:49,430 equality, but got the "how" wrong. 571 00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:51,724 Because the court threw it to the legislature. 572 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,936 I had to take the good with the bad, the bitter with the sweet, 573 00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:56,688 and move on. 574 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:01,609 This is the first time that any State Supreme Court in this country 575 00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:03,403 has not only recognized 576 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:07,115 that same-sex families exist, but, for the first time, has recognized 577 00:31:07,198 --> 00:31:10,577 that they have the same needs and deserve the same protections 578 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,329 and rights as all other couples and families. 579 00:31:13,454 --> 00:31:16,457 That's a first, that's a legal and cultural milestone. 580 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:19,919 I mean, this came out of left field, and, all of a sudden, 581 00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:23,965 they find, after 200 years of the Vermont Constitution, 582 00:31:24,173 --> 00:31:26,426 special rights for special people. 583 00:31:26,926 --> 00:31:30,179 I thought that was a combination of craftiness 584 00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:31,514 and cowardice. 585 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:34,851 And both of those made me angry. 586 00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:36,352 Beth was... 587 00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:40,356 devastated by the decision, because... 588 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:42,692 it was... 589 00:31:43,818 --> 00:31:44,736 half a loaf. 590 00:31:44,986 --> 00:31:47,405 And I was... 591 00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:50,533 I was happy with the fact that we had made some progress. 592 00:31:53,328 --> 00:31:55,330 [Peter] When I first heard about marriage equality, 593 00:31:56,122 --> 00:32:00,043 I really thought it was not even that great an idea. 594 00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:01,210 I'll be candid with you. 595 00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:04,672 You know, I remember being called into the governor's office. 596 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,508 I was President of the Senate, Howard Dean was governor at that time, 597 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:09,552 and there was very few of us in there, 598 00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:11,554 and we were reading the opinion, 599 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:13,932 trying to figure out, first of all, what it meant, 600 00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:16,309 and, secondly, what we were going to do about it. 601 00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:17,685 And we knew that there was a real risk, 602 00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:20,980 we knew that there was gonna be huge political casualties. 603 00:32:21,105 --> 00:32:23,524 [David] Senate leadership was very nervous about this. 604 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:27,236 So, they went to Governor Dean, 605 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,614 in a secret meeting, 606 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:34,494 and they said, "Is there any way we can delay this until after the election?" 607 00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:36,371 And Howard said, "No, 608 00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:39,332 we have to do this now. We have to do it." 609 00:32:39,457 --> 00:32:45,463 Most people in politics never get to vote on an issue that is critical 610 00:32:45,713 --> 00:32:47,507 for the betterment of the country, 611 00:32:47,632 --> 00:32:51,636 and at the same time, toxic to their possibility of re-election. 612 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:56,599 When I grew up, it was common, and I did it all the time, 613 00:32:56,724 --> 00:33:01,145 to make incredibly unkind and disparaging remarks about gay people. 614 00:33:02,146 --> 00:33:05,817 If you had told me, that I was gonna sign the first Marriage Equality bill 615 00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:07,276 in the United States of America, 616 00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:09,237 I would have not only told you you were crazy, 617 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,322 I would have tried to kick you in the butt and beat you up. 618 00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:14,659 [Kevin] The morning after the Baker decision came down, 619 00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:18,037 I picked up the phone and called Beth and Susan's law firm, 620 00:33:18,121 --> 00:33:19,914 and I got Susan on the phone. 621 00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:24,293 I said, as any good pitchman does, 622 00:33:24,627 --> 00:33:28,297 "Hi, I'm Kevin Ellis from Kimbell, Sherman, Ellis. You don't know who I am... 623 00:33:28,631 --> 00:33:31,050 And you're now headed into a three ring circus. 624 00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:33,970 Do you have any idea what you're about to face?" 625 00:33:34,095 --> 00:33:35,680 And she said, "No, 626 00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:39,475 but I have CNN on the other line, can I call you back?" 627 00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:41,728 [Susan] And they offered to be our lobbyists. 628 00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:44,564 And I think I told them, "Well, that's nice, but we can't pay you." 629 00:33:44,647 --> 00:33:45,815 And they said, "Don't worry about it." 630 00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:49,861 [Kevin] Beth and Susan were lawyers, they weren't political organizers. 631 00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:54,657 So suddenly, they had to build a political organization from scratch. 632 00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:58,786 I was going to a fund raiser for the Vermont Freedom to Marry Task Force, 633 00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:03,416 and I met Beth and Susan. They were a brilliant team. 634 00:34:03,666 --> 00:34:05,877 Here, you have the best legal minds 635 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,213 getting the gay and lesbian community playing politics. 636 00:34:09,297 --> 00:34:10,923 Hardball politics. 637 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:14,010 Hardball electoral politics. For the first time ever. 638 00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:18,181 Vermont was the stepping stone to all the other states. 639 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,851 If it could happen in Vermont, it would happen in the other states, 640 00:34:21,934 --> 00:34:25,646 if we could stop it in Vermont, we could stop it in the other states. 641 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:29,192 We started holding rallies, press conferences, 642 00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:30,568 and lobbying legislatures. 643 00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:35,073 We risk throwing away all the things that are inherent 644 00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,617 in the foundational unit of society. 645 00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:42,371 People started calling us and saying, "How do we help? What can we do?" 646 00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:46,084 We had a true grassroots rebellion 647 00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:48,169 on our hands, in the State of Vermont. 648 00:34:48,336 --> 00:34:51,839 We put together an ad, I guess a 13 or 15 point, 649 00:34:52,256 --> 00:34:56,511 uh, kinda communist... Not communist. 650 00:34:57,136 --> 00:35:00,723 Homosexual manifesto. In other words, what they wanted to do in America. 651 00:35:01,182 --> 00:35:03,518 That ad ran in every paper in the state, 652 00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:06,729 and people were calling me up, out of the blue, 653 00:35:06,854 --> 00:35:07,814 and I didn't know who they were. 654 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:09,816 They'd even write a check for $1,500 and say, 655 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:11,484 "Can you run this same ad again?" 656 00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:14,904 The eyes of the political players across the country, 657 00:35:15,029 --> 00:35:17,406 anyone that cared about GLBT equality, 658 00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:19,742 on our side or against our side, 659 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,079 was focused like a laser beam on Vermont. 660 00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:31,587 [crowd protesting] 661 00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:08,207 It was decided that the House would start the bill. 662 00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:11,502 And so, it was assigned to the Judiciary Committee. 663 00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:14,922 [Susan] The House Judiciary Committee was run by Tom Little, 664 00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:16,132 who was a Republican, 665 00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:19,844 and a lawyer, and a very even-keeled, great guy. 666 00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,972 [Tom] The Judiciary Committee had 11 members, and... 667 00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:28,060 all political parties, Republicans, Democrats, Progressives, Independents, 668 00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:32,523 we had all walks of life, we had people from all corners of the state. 669 00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:36,569 I am a father, a grandfather, 670 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:38,654 and a Republican. 671 00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,283 I was born and raised here in the state, 672 00:36:42,408 --> 00:36:44,869 brought up on a dairy farm, 673 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,914 then I became a State Trooper. 674 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,543 I retired in '92, and in '94, I ran for the House. 675 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:57,965 And then the Supreme Court decided the Baker case. 676 00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:59,342 I said, "Oh, my God." 677 00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:03,971 I know my district, and I know the people in Franklin County, 678 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,724 and I knew how they felt about this issue. 679 00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:10,353 And I frankly thought I knew how I felt. 680 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:12,980 Members of the House Judiciary Committee, 681 00:37:13,147 --> 00:37:16,859 depending on their political background, were either terrified, 682 00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,155 or excited that we were taking this on. 683 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,159 [John] Our chair, Tom Little, began to bring in people to testify. 684 00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:26,744 He brought in the Attorney General. 685 00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,747 He brought in constitutional scholars 686 00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:32,750 from both sides of the issue, from all over the country. 687 00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:34,543 And then we had clergy come in. 688 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:38,714 And I gotta tell you, I'd rather deal with the lawyers than the clergy. 689 00:37:40,549 --> 00:37:42,677 [Beth] Susan and I, I think, were the first witnesses 690 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,053 in the House Judiciary Committee. 691 00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,098 All eyes were on that Committee room. 692 00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:48,474 People were nervous. 693 00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:52,311 Susan and I had the first shot at making the case. 694 00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:56,274 And... I don't think I did a very good job. 695 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,818 I treated it like an argument before a court. 696 00:37:59,235 --> 00:38:01,654 And word came back pretty quickly 697 00:38:01,737 --> 00:38:03,656 that the Committee really hadn't warmed up to me. 698 00:38:03,739 --> 00:38:04,699 They didn't like me. 699 00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:06,659 It might have just been fatigue, 700 00:38:06,742 --> 00:38:09,453 but something happened that caused me to become emotional, 701 00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:10,788 and I got up and left the room. 702 00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:13,833 So I made a beeline for the women's bathroom, 703 00:38:13,916 --> 00:38:17,878 and a couple of the women from the House Judiciary Committee saw me crying. 704 00:38:18,504 --> 00:38:20,298 Then we had a little conversation. 705 00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:22,800 After that, the ice melted. 706 00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:27,555 For me, one of the things I had to learn, was to engage at a personal level 707 00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:31,058 and let yourself experience feelings that you don't as a lawyer. 708 00:38:32,351 --> 00:38:35,813 One of the hardest times for me, and I think for Peter, 709 00:38:35,896 --> 00:38:41,944 was we appeared on the website of the Westboro Baptist Church. 710 00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:44,822 And under our picture, it said, "Vermont Fag Beasts." 711 00:38:44,947 --> 00:38:48,909 And then there was a column of how evil we were, how we were gonna go to hell. 712 00:38:49,827 --> 00:38:54,332 It's hard to be seen as evil, but I don't absorb it, I don't internalize it. 713 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,127 [Lois] I was working as a school nurse. 714 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,421 I also taught Health Education. 715 00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:06,510 And two of the parents pulled their kids out of my classes 716 00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:11,682 because they didn't want their children taught by a lesbian. 717 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:16,020 I think Vermont was picked by the gay movement as a good place 718 00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:18,189 to push for a first victory. 719 00:39:18,397 --> 00:39:23,027 And clearly we're in an era of sexual chaos. 720 00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:26,906 So what's at stake, what's at stake for Vermont, 721 00:39:26,989 --> 00:39:30,034 what's at stake for the nation now, is its children. 722 00:39:30,826 --> 00:39:31,827 Is its future. 723 00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:34,288 Welcome, Dr. Fagan. 724 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:37,625 What are some of the things that you've discovered in the research that you've done? 725 00:39:37,792 --> 00:39:42,088 The intercourse between a male and female is potentially fruitful. 726 00:39:42,671 --> 00:39:46,967 It gives life, and it can lead to love, marriage, happiness. 727 00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:50,971 And no matter how frequently, uh... 728 00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:54,975 two gay people or two lesbians come together sexually, 729 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:57,269 they can never, ever, ever 730 00:39:58,312 --> 00:39:59,355 produce a child. 731 00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:03,567 And there is that fundamental, common sense, 732 00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:08,823 total worlds apart difference. And to say that both are the same is... 733 00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:10,658 insane. 734 00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:14,078 It's hard to get around 735 00:40:15,037 --> 00:40:16,622 the fact that at some level, 736 00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:19,834 the whole opposition is premised on 737 00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:23,003 the notion that gay people shouldn't be treated as equals. 738 00:40:23,754 --> 00:40:25,131 But having said that, 739 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:28,759 overwhelmingly, the folks that I dealt with in the opposition 740 00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:30,886 tried to present their views 741 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,264 as civilly as they could. 742 00:40:34,557 --> 00:40:37,601 Look hard at these images. 743 00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:40,938 Pretend, just pretend for a moment, 744 00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:44,400 that they're alive and they're standing here in front of you 745 00:40:44,483 --> 00:40:47,278 with the full weight and authority of the Vermont Legislature. 746 00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:52,450 Would you tell them that they really don't need or deserve a mother? 747 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,870 That they really don't need or deserve a father? 748 00:40:56,579 --> 00:41:00,833 Because that's exactly what we would be saying by changing the law of marriage. 749 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,169 The House Judiciary Committee, 750 00:41:03,252 --> 00:41:06,505 which had taken testimony every single day for six weeks, 751 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:09,300 had finally decided it was time for them to take the vote. 752 00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:12,428 [Kevin] It became pretty clear that a majority of the committee 753 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:17,683 wanted to support some type of legal recognition for gay and lesbian relationships. 754 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:21,604 But there was only a small handful of us 755 00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,732 who believed that marriage was the right choice, 756 00:41:26,192 --> 00:41:30,070 or that marriage had any chance of passing on the floor of the House. 757 00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:33,240 The only thing I thought about politically is, what can you get through? 758 00:41:33,365 --> 00:41:35,868 And I knew I couldn't get marriage through no matter what I did. 759 00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:37,286 It was just too scary for people. 760 00:41:37,411 --> 00:41:40,873 It was a difficult, uncomfortable time for a lot of people in the state. 761 00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:44,293 But I think the legislature is looking into their hearts 762 00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:46,295 and trying to do what they think, as individuals, 763 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:48,005 is the right thing to do. 764 00:41:48,088 --> 00:41:50,799 Well, the bill that we ended up calling Civil Unions 765 00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:55,471 gave every right and responsibility to gay and lesbians 766 00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:57,681 that heterosexual people had. 767 00:41:57,806 --> 00:41:59,850 It was not full marriage equality. 768 00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:04,522 But it was the first legal recognition. 769 00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:08,025 I'm quite sure that the legislature will look at all sorts of models, 770 00:42:08,108 --> 00:42:10,277 but if it studies the court's opinion, 771 00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:12,821 and it studies what it is the court's trying to accomplish, 772 00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:14,448 and what the Constitution requires, 773 00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:16,450 I don't think there's gonna be any alternative 774 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:18,536 for full equality, short of full equality. 775 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:20,579 There's 150 members in the House, 776 00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:23,207 you need 76 votes to pass anything. 777 00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:25,834 So my partner, Steve Kimbell, did a count 778 00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:30,297 and for marriage, we had about 23 to 27 votes. 779 00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:34,176 So he had to go to Beth and say, "We can't win this. 780 00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:40,516 Your choice is to get no bill, 781 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:45,104 or to settle for civil unions." 782 00:42:45,729 --> 00:42:47,690 And that was really hard for her. 783 00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:50,234 For both of them. Really, really hard. 784 00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:52,444 Beth and I had to take a step away. 785 00:42:52,528 --> 00:42:56,031 We actually dropped out of the State House for five or six days. 786 00:42:56,115 --> 00:42:58,701 We had meetings in person 787 00:42:58,826 --> 00:43:02,371 and over the phone, conference call meetings with all of the activists 788 00:43:02,454 --> 00:43:06,292 around the state, who had been working on this for six, seven, eight years, 789 00:43:06,458 --> 00:43:08,252 and asking them, "What do you want to do?" 790 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:10,045 Holding out for marriage meant walking away 791 00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:12,089 from that legislative session with nothing, 792 00:43:12,214 --> 00:43:14,967 and going back to the court and saying, 793 00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:18,095 "Okay, court, we want you to finish the job." 794 00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:21,557 People looked to me and Susan for leadership on this. 795 00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:25,603 And Susan and I weren't exactly aligned. 796 00:43:25,894 --> 00:43:27,771 Everything that the State of Vermont could give 797 00:43:27,855 --> 00:43:29,732 opposite-sex couples who marry, 798 00:43:29,815 --> 00:43:32,276 they gave to gay couples in the civil unions. 799 00:43:32,401 --> 00:43:34,153 So I felt good. 800 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,281 I don't think either one of us took it personally if we disagreed with the other. 801 00:43:37,364 --> 00:43:38,532 Right. Never. 802 00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:41,076 -In fact, I just... -I just knew you were wrong. 803 00:43:44,455 --> 00:43:48,834 There was a moment there where Beth Robinson had a decision to make. 804 00:43:49,251 --> 00:43:53,714 Either she was going to stick to her strong... 805 00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:58,052 understanding of the law and the Constitution 806 00:43:58,177 --> 00:44:01,138 and say, "This needs to be marriage." 807 00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:04,892 Or she could make a political decision, 808 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:06,644 a compromise, 809 00:44:07,102 --> 00:44:10,481 and support moving forward with civil unions. 810 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:14,151 And that was an extremely difficult decision for Beth to make. 811 00:44:14,443 --> 00:44:16,945 But I think it was brilliant that she made it, 812 00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:19,698 and it really changed the course of American history. 813 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,619 She came back, and she said to Steve, "Okay, let's do it. 814 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:25,454 Let's get civil unions." 815 00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:29,375 Montpelier really became quite a war zone. 816 00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:31,043 Vermont became ground zero 817 00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:34,880 in the battle over gay people and American life and law. 818 00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:38,676 We saw all manner of anti-gay opponents 819 00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:41,428 flooding the state with money, with troops, 820 00:44:41,553 --> 00:44:43,097 busing in their supporters, 821 00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:46,975 Don't tell me to watch my mouth while you're teaching these children 822 00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:48,560 that it's okay to be gay. 823 00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:51,939 That is the ultimate goal of this entire movement. 824 00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:56,944 To destroy our ability to hold people accountable 825 00:44:57,027 --> 00:44:58,654 for their sexual behavior. 826 00:44:58,904 --> 00:45:02,032 -One, two, three, four. -Love is what we're fighting for. 827 00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:05,452 -Five, six, seven, eight. -Stop the violence, stop the hate. 828 00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:08,080 [man] We're gonna protect those civil rights, 829 00:45:08,497 --> 00:45:12,042 and ensure that people can live together in this state, 830 00:45:12,167 --> 00:45:15,337 in harmony, in love, and in peace, 831 00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:18,340 as one family, the Vermont family. 832 00:45:20,801 --> 00:45:25,347 Randall Terry, the famed anti-abortion crusader, came to town. 833 00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:28,475 He set up a storefront a block from the State House 834 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,520 and let it be known that he was here 835 00:45:31,603 --> 00:45:34,982 to uphold the importance of traditional marriage, 836 00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:39,153 and uphold everything that traditional marriage means. 837 00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:43,907 [man] Randall Terry would tell people that homosexuality was an abomination. 838 00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:46,243 We must contain the poison. 839 00:45:46,452 --> 00:45:48,620 He came across as someone 840 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:51,707 who was intentionally trying to instill fear in people. 841 00:45:51,999 --> 00:45:55,252 And he did that to my vice chair, Bill Lippert. 842 00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:59,965 Bill Lippert. He was the only openly gay member of the legislature. 843 00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:03,635 So he was at the eye of the storm. 844 00:46:04,094 --> 00:46:06,430 [Bill Lippert] I remember walking through the halls, 845 00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:09,057 and hearing, on a number of occasions, 846 00:46:09,808 --> 00:46:11,935 "Judgment day is coming, Representative Lippert. 847 00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:13,228 Judgment Day is coming." 848 00:46:14,188 --> 00:46:16,899 And I'd turn around, and there was Randall Terry. 849 00:46:17,316 --> 00:46:18,734 One day, I get a tip. 850 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:21,862 A fellow calls me, and says... 851 00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:25,991 "I know Randall Terry is in your town, talking up traditional marriage, 852 00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:28,577 but maybe it's time he take a look into his own soul." 853 00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:32,498 He tells me that Randall Terry had left his wife for another woman, 854 00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:35,250 yet he still wore a wedding ring. 855 00:46:35,375 --> 00:46:37,836 He didn't, obviously, want people in Vermont 856 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,130 to know that his own traditional marriage 857 00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:43,175 didn't work out quite as well as he'd hoped for. 858 00:46:44,134 --> 00:46:47,221 [man] There were two nights of public hearings. 859 00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:51,725 At that time there were maybe 630,000 people who lived in Vermont. 860 00:46:51,808 --> 00:46:55,145 And I tell you, a good a percentage of them descended on the State House. 861 00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:59,149 [woman] One of the many great things about the Vermont legislative process 862 00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:04,071 was that the legislature wanted to hear not only from experts and advocates, 863 00:47:04,404 --> 00:47:07,908 but from all Vermonters who had a perspective to share. 864 00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:12,955 There were several statewide hearings in Montpelier 865 00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:16,291 where people could come to the State House and testify. 866 00:47:16,792 --> 00:47:18,669 I came up for all of those. 867 00:47:18,794 --> 00:47:20,921 State House was jammed. Jammed. 868 00:47:21,046 --> 00:47:23,507 And at some point, I decided to leave the chamber, 869 00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:26,009 because I wanted to see what was happening outside. 870 00:47:26,677 --> 00:47:29,930 [man] Three thousand people showed up on the front steps 871 00:47:30,097 --> 00:47:31,932 of the State House. 872 00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:33,976 They are angry. 873 00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:37,938 Civil unions is essentially marriage without the marriage word. 874 00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:41,441 The people had been lied to, they'd been cheated, 875 00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:44,319 and that's the anger you have to worry about, 876 00:47:44,444 --> 00:47:46,113 'cause it doesn't go away. 877 00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:48,907 [Mary] I went outside, it was freezing. 878 00:47:49,408 --> 00:47:52,619 Then I walked amongst some of the people, trying to make eye contact. 879 00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:56,665 And I was just overcome with this feeling of... 880 00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:01,044 these could have been my neighbors, growing up. 881 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:03,589 And my family members, for that matter. 882 00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:07,134 I realized when you're in a fight for your common humanity, 883 00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:10,721 you cannot discount the common humanity of others. 884 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:16,393 [man] I was really troubled, experienced a lot of angst. 885 00:48:16,476 --> 00:48:19,021 I hadn't yet screwed up my courage. 886 00:48:19,104 --> 00:48:20,897 But I just thought... 887 00:48:21,106 --> 00:48:22,941 You know, I've gotta make a decision. 888 00:48:24,067 --> 00:48:27,487 And I said, I've gotta be on the right side of this issue. 889 00:48:28,697 --> 00:48:32,159 And the right side is to support it. 890 00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,244 And from that point on, 891 00:48:34,953 --> 00:48:37,956 it was like a weight lifted from my shoulders. 892 00:48:40,292 --> 00:48:43,670 [Holly] The day the House did their final vote 893 00:48:43,795 --> 00:48:45,672 on the law for civil unions, 894 00:48:46,715 --> 00:48:48,592 we weren't sure which way it was gonna go. 895 00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:50,385 It was still up in the air. 896 00:48:50,469 --> 00:48:55,599 We speak, and we listen to what people have to say, 897 00:48:55,807 --> 00:48:59,394 we listen to the other side, we listen to what they have to say. 898 00:48:59,478 --> 00:49:02,230 That's the way we conduct business here, 899 00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:04,566 and shall continue to do so, 900 00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:07,819 based on over 200 years of precedent. 901 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:10,155 We were all very nervous. 902 00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:12,282 Even Beth and Susan were nervous. 903 00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:16,078 ...but I will not support the legalization of sodomy, 904 00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:19,081 the tearing down of traditional marriage in this country, 905 00:49:19,164 --> 00:49:20,874 by the passage of this law. 906 00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:24,670 And I truly feel sorry for the State of Vermont, 907 00:49:24,836 --> 00:49:28,340 that this can happen here, and for our nation, because I believe 908 00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:32,135 that we are really putting ourselves in a dangerous situation 909 00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:35,847 in regard to a judgment from the Almighty God. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 910 00:49:36,306 --> 00:49:39,768 The House was on the floor for hours. It must have been 12 hours. 911 00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:43,563 And it was toward the end of the day, it must have been 8:00 or 9:00 at night 912 00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:46,191 and Bill Lippert rose and spoke, 913 00:49:46,983 --> 00:49:48,944 and it was quiet. 914 00:49:49,361 --> 00:49:51,947 I think it's very important, 915 00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:56,535 as we listen, as we debate, and as we make decisions, 916 00:49:59,371 --> 00:50:02,290 that you understand what the reality is... 917 00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:05,335 about gay and lesbian people... 918 00:50:07,003 --> 00:50:08,338 and gay and lesbian couples. 919 00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:12,551 Passing the bill that the House Judiciary Committee has brought forward 920 00:50:12,634 --> 00:50:15,887 will not end discrimination, 921 00:50:15,971 --> 00:50:19,099 it will not end prejudice, it will not end hate, 922 00:50:20,058 --> 00:50:22,769 but it will grant rights. 923 00:50:24,354 --> 00:50:27,065 The rights that I don't have right now 924 00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:30,485 and most everyone else in this chamber does. 925 00:50:31,361 --> 00:50:33,363 [woman] Bill's speech was amazing. 926 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:36,867 And because they knew Bill, he was one of them, 927 00:50:37,117 --> 00:50:38,618 I think it really hit home. 928 00:50:39,494 --> 00:50:41,121 They finally started the vote, 929 00:50:41,246 --> 00:50:44,666 and Lois was keeping track, for and against, 930 00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:46,460 for and against... 931 00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:48,086 and we're counting them. 932 00:50:48,587 --> 00:50:52,132 Soon as we saw we had enough votes, 933 00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:54,926 it was like, "Oh, we can relax." 934 00:50:55,427 --> 00:50:58,138 Those voting yes, 79. 935 00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:00,348 Those voting no, 68. 936 00:51:04,603 --> 00:51:05,520 Congratulations. 937 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:06,813 Thank you. Congratulations. 938 00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:09,274 It's just an incredible day. 939 00:51:09,858 --> 00:51:11,485 [Holly] It was amazing. 940 00:51:12,444 --> 00:51:17,240 We could become legally connected. 941 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,368 We had won that step. 942 00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:22,537 Gay couples in Vermont will soon get 943 00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:25,540 the same rights and benefits as married heterosexual couples. 944 00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:29,836 The governor is expected to sign the Civil Unions bill into law later this week. 945 00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:32,088 With that signature, the Green Mountain State 946 00:51:32,172 --> 00:51:34,174 will go where no state has gone before. 947 00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:38,970 I think, starting today, the healing process now begins. 948 00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:41,264 The passage of Civil Union in Vermont 949 00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:43,475 established the principle that we could win. 950 00:51:43,558 --> 00:51:46,603 That we could win something bigger than most people had ever dreamed we were gonna achieve, 951 00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,981 state-level recognition of gay families. 952 00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:53,652 The magic of Vermont, the magic of Civil Unions in 2000, 953 00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:56,238 the reason why it was so historic, 954 00:51:56,321 --> 00:51:58,907 was because, for the first time ever, 955 00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:04,037 gay and lesbian couples, statewide, had rights and responsibilities, 956 00:52:04,162 --> 00:52:06,164 and were acknowledged for being couples. 957 00:52:06,498 --> 00:52:09,000 [Beth] We had every reason to celebrate, 958 00:52:09,584 --> 00:52:10,752 but we weren't done. 959 00:52:11,044 --> 00:52:12,796 I knew we had to keep working, 960 00:52:13,338 --> 00:52:14,840 however long it took, 961 00:52:15,841 --> 00:52:17,968 to get to full equality, full inclusion. 962 00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:21,137 Civil marriage for same-sex couples. 963 00:52:23,431 --> 00:52:24,850 [organ music playing] 964 00:52:29,187 --> 00:52:31,565 [choir singing] 965 00:52:35,110 --> 00:52:36,194 [Stan] Peter and I 966 00:52:36,778 --> 00:52:39,114 had a wonderful civil union. 967 00:52:39,197 --> 00:52:41,199 We actually called it our holy and civil union, 968 00:52:41,283 --> 00:52:44,160 because it took place in the Episcopal Cathedral in Burlington. 969 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:48,456 We declare that they're united and joined to one another 970 00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:51,960 as partners in holy and civil union, 971 00:52:52,043 --> 00:52:56,172 a solemn and joyful covenant of love in the name of God. 972 00:52:56,590 --> 00:53:01,094 Those whom God has joined together, let no one put asunder. 973 00:53:02,095 --> 00:53:03,305 [applause] 974 00:53:09,394 --> 00:53:13,565 [Nina] In 1992, Stacy and I, we had a ceremony that we designed ourselves. 975 00:53:13,648 --> 00:53:18,111 I wore my white lace dress, and Stacy wore her tails and her top hat. 976 00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:21,948 It was totally significant to us, 977 00:53:22,073 --> 00:53:23,408 even though it wasn't legal. 978 00:53:23,909 --> 00:53:29,497 When Civil Unions passed, we wanted to have access to those benefits and rights, 979 00:53:29,915 --> 00:53:32,375 and to be a family in every sense of the word. 980 00:53:33,835 --> 00:53:38,590 Our civil union was a beautiful summer day in Vermont. 981 00:53:38,715 --> 00:53:41,051 Lots of friends and relatives came. 982 00:53:41,134 --> 00:53:44,846 At the same time, there was an anti-civil union demonstration 983 00:53:45,263 --> 00:53:46,640 on the capitol steps. 984 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:50,602 And we had more people in our ceremony than they had 985 00:53:50,769 --> 00:53:52,270 in their demonstration. 986 00:53:52,437 --> 00:53:53,688 By the end of today, 987 00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:59,027 we will be, believe it or not, legally connected to each other. 988 00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:03,990 And it's nice, after all this time, to be able to say that Holly's my spouse. 989 00:54:07,911 --> 00:54:11,373 Couples from all over the country, and in fact, all over the world, 990 00:54:11,498 --> 00:54:14,292 came to Vermont, little Vermont, for civil union. 991 00:54:15,585 --> 00:54:19,547 [Tom] When Vermont happened, when Civil Unions happened, 992 00:54:19,714 --> 00:54:23,885 we thought, "We want to be as married as two men can be in this country. 993 00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:26,680 We want to be as committed to one another 994 00:54:27,013 --> 00:54:30,058 as is humanly and legally possible." 995 00:54:30,392 --> 00:54:34,854 When I met Tom, marriage wasn't even... There was no gay marriage movement. 996 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,732 I could write about it in plays, men getting married, but... 997 00:54:38,149 --> 00:54:39,776 didn't think it'd be a reality. 998 00:54:39,901 --> 00:54:43,029 We heard about this great inn in Vermont and said, 999 00:54:43,113 --> 00:54:46,116 "Let's just treat ourselves with a civil union." 1000 00:54:46,574 --> 00:54:49,452 I don't think either of us fully knew 1001 00:54:49,536 --> 00:54:52,789 how perfect that moment would be. 1002 00:54:53,832 --> 00:54:56,042 "I am there for you for the rest of my life," 1003 00:54:56,543 --> 00:54:59,337 is a very profound pledge to make to another person. 1004 00:54:59,504 --> 00:55:01,715 And it makes me feel safer, 1005 00:55:01,881 --> 00:55:03,550 more protected, happier, 1006 00:55:04,009 --> 00:55:06,553 calmer... I'm not alone in the world. 1007 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,474 As much as I love Tom, I never had that feeling 1008 00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:16,646 until we stood in Vermont, in that inn, and said the words to each other. 1009 00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:24,362 The irony is that, it wasn't until after the law passed, 1010 00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:27,365 that things got really ugly in Vermont. 1011 00:55:27,532 --> 00:55:31,453 Something about the climate changed, in a bad way. 1012 00:55:31,661 --> 00:55:35,832 People who heretofore had been 1013 00:55:35,915 --> 00:55:39,753 unwilling, or unable, or scared to express their homophobia, 1014 00:55:39,836 --> 00:55:43,465 and their hatred of gay people, suddenly felt like they had permission to do so. 1015 00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:49,637 The focal point of LGBT equality 1016 00:55:49,721 --> 00:55:51,848 was going to be decided in these elections. 1017 00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:56,686 If the Republicans would have taken back control of the House 1018 00:55:56,811 --> 00:56:00,315 and the Senate, and won the governorship, which all was possible, 1019 00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:03,693 then it would have sent shivers across the spines 1020 00:56:03,777 --> 00:56:05,904 of any politician across America. 1021 00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:08,323 Groups sprung up all around the state, 1022 00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:10,658 organized around the idea of 1023 00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:13,495 "If we don't do something now, 1024 00:56:13,828 --> 00:56:16,372 they're taking the state away from our kids, 1025 00:56:16,664 --> 00:56:18,750 and we want our state back." 1026 00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:22,504 [man] We finally got organized with Take Back Vermont. 1027 00:56:23,171 --> 00:56:26,007 It was, you know, 24/7 pedal to the metal. 1028 00:56:26,674 --> 00:56:29,803 Before I knew it, we became the focus 1029 00:56:29,886 --> 00:56:32,097 of the opposition in Vermont. 1030 00:56:32,514 --> 00:56:35,475 [man] There were "Take back Vermont" signs everywhere. 1031 00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:36,726 Lots of them. 1032 00:56:36,976 --> 00:56:38,937 And the Left went ballistic. 1033 00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:41,022 I was in demand. I didn't want to be in demand. 1034 00:56:41,106 --> 00:56:42,774 I didn't want to be a leader of anything. 1035 00:56:42,899 --> 00:56:44,442 Just wanted to get some information out. 1036 00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:47,153 But we had started something, and so we were gonna see it through. 1037 00:56:49,614 --> 00:56:52,283 We packaged videos with other literature, 1038 00:56:52,617 --> 00:56:55,703 and we sent that material to every legislator 1039 00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:57,914 in the State of Vermont, twice. 1040 00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:59,999 [narrator] The battle in this country 1041 00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:02,293 between those holding to traditional morality 1042 00:57:02,377 --> 00:57:04,170 and those espousing hedonism 1043 00:57:04,295 --> 00:57:05,922 has reached a fever pitch. 1044 00:57:06,172 --> 00:57:08,007 Manifested in no clearer terms 1045 00:57:08,258 --> 00:57:10,927 than the ideological conflict over homosexuality. 1046 00:57:11,553 --> 00:57:17,976 Our view was that the only opportunity we had to try and stop this, 1047 00:57:18,059 --> 00:57:21,020 was to knock the engine, which was Governor Dean, off the tracks. 1048 00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:25,358 The major reason that I ran for re-election in 2000 1049 00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:28,319 was to validate what we had done with Civil Unions. 1050 00:57:28,528 --> 00:57:31,322 It was clearly the nastiest time in Vermont politics. 1051 00:57:31,448 --> 00:57:32,699 Certainly since I've been here. 1052 00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:35,243 I was the Republican nominee, 1053 00:57:35,326 --> 00:57:38,037 I won my primary, and I was running against Howard Dean. 1054 00:57:38,371 --> 00:57:40,373 I had run against him in '98 as well. 1055 00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:45,503 But in 2000, the atmosphere was far more charged. 1056 00:57:46,212 --> 00:57:48,298 I was opposed to gay marriage. I still am. 1057 00:57:48,423 --> 00:57:51,676 I do believe homosexuality is not the way... 1058 00:57:53,428 --> 00:57:55,388 nature intended people to behave. 1059 00:57:56,264 --> 00:57:58,516 There was clearly a group of people somewhere, 1060 00:57:58,641 --> 00:58:01,352 somehow, at, I assume, the national level. 1061 00:58:01,686 --> 00:58:04,647 Maybe they were international. I don't know. 1062 00:58:05,106 --> 00:58:07,442 There is clearly people banded together that said, 1063 00:58:07,525 --> 00:58:09,360 "We want to ban guns, we want to... 1064 00:58:09,652 --> 00:58:14,073 legalize abortion, whatever we want to do. We want to promote same-sex marriage. 1065 00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:15,909 How're we gonna do that? We'll form a group. 1066 00:58:16,034 --> 00:58:17,160 We'll find a state." 1067 00:58:17,243 --> 00:58:20,747 Beth and I believed that our job, at that point, was to try 1068 00:58:20,872 --> 00:58:26,002 to help re-elect legislators who had stuck their necks out 1069 00:58:26,127 --> 00:58:30,465 and had supported Civil Unions. So we marshaled volunteers, 1070 00:58:30,590 --> 00:58:35,428 and raised money, and did everything we possibly could. 1071 00:58:36,804 --> 00:58:40,642 We're here today because so many of our fellow Vermonters 1072 00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:42,644 had the vision 1073 00:58:43,228 --> 00:58:45,522 to identify one of the key issues of our time, 1074 00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:48,107 and the courage to stand up and act. 1075 00:58:48,566 --> 00:58:52,904 These people were there for us. They've taken an incredible amount of heat for us. 1076 00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:57,534 This is our time to be there for them. 1077 00:58:57,742 --> 00:58:58,660 [cheering] 1078 00:58:59,244 --> 00:59:01,454 People like John Edwards from Swanton 1079 00:59:02,539 --> 00:59:05,124 opened his heart and his mind, and he listened to the testimony 1080 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:06,292 for weeks and weeks. 1081 00:59:06,501 --> 00:59:07,794 We've got Marion Milne, 1082 00:59:07,877 --> 00:59:10,838 who challenged herself to do the right thing for her grandkids. 1083 00:59:18,388 --> 00:59:21,307 [Marion] I was elected as a Republican, 1084 00:59:21,432 --> 00:59:24,143 but I voted for Civil Unions, 1085 00:59:24,352 --> 00:59:29,232 and since then, I've never had one minute of regret. 1086 00:59:30,608 --> 00:59:34,821 I loved being in the House. I thought it was one of the greatest... 1087 00:59:35,822 --> 00:59:38,491 and humbling experiences I've ever had. 1088 00:59:38,825 --> 00:59:42,954 We are asked to prove whether we are as tolerant and democratic 1089 00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:44,539 as we say we are. 1090 00:59:46,124 --> 00:59:50,253 Democratic in the sense that we are willing to recognize 1091 00:59:50,545 --> 00:59:54,299 the full rights of gay and lesbian Vermonters. 1092 00:59:54,841 --> 00:59:58,636 After the vote, many houses that I had been to, 1093 00:59:59,387 --> 01:00:01,848 that were very friendly to me before, 1094 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,602 I wasn't welcome in them anymore. 1095 01:00:06,394 --> 01:00:12,108 One person that I knew and respected, called me up. 1096 01:00:12,358 --> 01:00:15,987 "I can't believe it, Marion. You lied to me. 1097 01:00:16,529 --> 01:00:20,700 You lied to the voters. I'll never speak to you again." 1098 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,872 I had several people that I cared about say that to me. 1099 01:00:28,249 --> 01:00:31,044 [man] It was a surreal experience. 1100 01:00:31,169 --> 01:00:33,755 You'd knock on a door, and they'd say, 1101 01:00:34,505 --> 01:00:37,634 "Oh, you're the gay lover." 1102 01:00:38,134 --> 01:00:39,594 They'd slam the door in your face. 1103 01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:43,806 One in particular called me lower than well-done. 1104 01:00:45,266 --> 01:00:48,895 I lost, I can probably... Probably by two to one or better. 1105 01:00:48,978 --> 01:00:52,273 You know, and it was... it was tough. 1106 01:00:52,357 --> 01:00:54,359 [man] It was brutal. They got some polling numbers 1107 01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:56,778 that showed that Ruth Dwyer was gonna win. 1108 01:00:56,944 --> 01:00:58,237 And we knew that if that happened, 1109 01:00:58,321 --> 01:00:59,947 that was the end of marriage equality 1110 01:01:00,031 --> 01:01:01,574 in this country for a long, long time. 1111 01:01:01,824 --> 01:01:04,285 So we did lose the House, it went Republican big time, 1112 01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:07,705 I held the Senate by one single vote and it was very hard to hold, 1113 01:01:07,789 --> 01:01:09,707 and people don't remember this, but Howard Dean 1114 01:01:09,832 --> 01:01:13,086 won re-election by one single point in the state. 1115 01:01:13,544 --> 01:01:15,129 [woman] When I lost the election, 1116 01:01:15,254 --> 01:01:19,467 I really, really suffered for a long time because I felt I had let 1117 01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:21,594 some very good people down. 1118 01:01:22,261 --> 01:01:25,890 Now, I pretty much raise dogs, and horses, and cows, 1119 01:01:25,973 --> 01:01:27,225 and live on a farm. 1120 01:01:27,558 --> 01:01:29,602 I like to be around the animals 1121 01:01:29,769 --> 01:01:31,604 because they're simple, 1122 01:01:32,355 --> 01:01:34,357 unaffected, predictable, 1123 01:01:34,482 --> 01:01:36,859 and they have the right priorities. 1124 01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:42,281 After the election, and we all recuperated, 1125 01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,909 many of the leaders within Take Back Vermont 1126 01:01:44,992 --> 01:01:47,662 formed an organization that was ultimately called Vermont Renewal. 1127 01:01:48,121 --> 01:01:51,124 The gay and homosexual lobby is expansive. 1128 01:01:51,332 --> 01:01:54,669 And so, we went into the schools. 1129 01:01:54,794 --> 01:01:59,257 We were able to eliminate a lot of that material that was clearly propaganda. 1130 01:01:59,340 --> 01:02:01,968 I mean, there were six resource libraries that we had shut down. 1131 01:02:02,135 --> 01:02:04,971 But when they start teaching that all of these... 1132 01:02:06,389 --> 01:02:09,475 ways of living together are equal and the same, 1133 01:02:09,934 --> 01:02:12,145 and you have children involved in it, 1134 01:02:12,437 --> 01:02:14,188 you know, it's... 1135 01:02:15,106 --> 01:02:17,942 Then where do you draw the line, as the others have said? 1136 01:02:18,151 --> 01:02:22,029 What's wrong with having three people in this situation? 1137 01:02:22,447 --> 01:02:23,781 Or two people and a dog. 1138 01:02:23,906 --> 01:02:25,158 -Yeah. -Yeah. 1139 01:02:25,241 --> 01:02:28,536 You don't even understand what freedom is 1140 01:02:28,786 --> 01:02:29,954 until it's challenged. 1141 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:30,913 It's true. 1142 01:02:31,038 --> 01:02:34,834 And that's when I realized how Hitler, or somebody like that, could come to power. 1143 01:02:34,959 --> 01:02:38,171 I never thought... I always wondered, "How could he ever come to power?" 1144 01:02:38,254 --> 01:02:39,130 I know now. 1145 01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:40,840 -Right. -Right. 1146 01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:45,928 [Susan] After the election in November 2000, 1147 01:02:46,012 --> 01:02:48,723 the House became an anti-civil unions chamber. 1148 01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:54,145 They started having hearings about repealing the Civil Unions law. 1149 01:02:54,395 --> 01:02:57,148 Beth and I had to go back and testify all over again 1150 01:02:57,231 --> 01:02:59,358 and it was an incredibly... 1151 01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:02,653 painful period. 1152 01:03:03,529 --> 01:03:06,282 They actively brought people into the State House 1153 01:03:06,407 --> 01:03:07,658 to do "seminars" 1154 01:03:07,825 --> 01:03:10,161 on the "immorality" of the gay and lesbian people. 1155 01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:14,916 Ultimately, Civil Unions was repealed on the floor of the House. 1156 01:03:15,166 --> 01:03:17,293 But it was blocked by the Senate. 1157 01:03:17,418 --> 01:03:20,755 It was a helpful reminder of just... 1158 01:03:22,548 --> 01:03:25,426 how hard-fought the civil union victory was, 1159 01:03:25,551 --> 01:03:29,013 and how hard we were gonna have to work to move forward. 1160 01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:31,849 [Susan] What has been wonderful about Karen, 1161 01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:35,895 all these years, and through everything that we've been through, 1162 01:03:36,312 --> 01:03:39,774 is that she's always been supportive 1163 01:03:39,899 --> 01:03:41,818 of what Beth and I were doing. 1164 01:03:41,984 --> 01:03:44,862 No matter how much time it took away from the household, 1165 01:03:45,196 --> 01:03:47,865 no matter how stressful it was. 1166 01:03:49,575 --> 01:03:51,285 Come 2003, 1167 01:03:51,369 --> 01:03:54,121 my practice was taking off at the law firm. 1168 01:03:54,247 --> 01:03:57,124 And I just didn't have the time anymore 1169 01:03:57,250 --> 01:04:01,546 to devote to working for Marriage Equality. 1170 01:04:01,671 --> 01:04:03,840 There was no energy for it in the state. 1171 01:04:03,923 --> 01:04:08,094 Nobody wanted to do anything. The gay community was tired. 1172 01:04:08,261 --> 01:04:12,348 The political class was sick of hearing from us. 1173 01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:14,475 And I was burned out, to be honest. 1174 01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:18,104 I can remember getting home at 11:00 at night. 1175 01:04:18,229 --> 01:04:20,857 You were gonna pick me up at 6:00 the next morning, 1176 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:24,902 I had seven hours to do my day's... Of my job work. 1177 01:04:24,986 --> 01:04:26,445 Eat dinner, sleep-- 1178 01:04:26,654 --> 01:04:29,031 -Visit with Kim. -Take a shower. 1179 01:04:29,115 --> 01:04:30,867 Make breakfast, and get up and do the same thing again. 1180 01:04:31,033 --> 01:04:37,498 Yeah. I wouldn't trade the years of meeting really interesting people 1181 01:04:37,623 --> 01:04:40,668 and traveling around and being engaged and getting to know the state 1182 01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:42,086 in a way that I never would have. 1183 01:04:42,211 --> 01:04:43,504 I wouldn't trade that for anything. 1184 01:04:43,629 --> 01:04:46,716 I know. But we were exhausted all the time. 1185 01:04:46,966 --> 01:04:48,801 [Susan] Frankly, I needed to take a break. 1186 01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:52,054 I dropped out of the battle. 1187 01:04:52,138 --> 01:04:56,058 So Beth, bless her, kept plugging away. 1188 01:04:56,142 --> 01:04:58,644 [Beth] As Susan's friend, I totally understood it. 1189 01:04:58,728 --> 01:05:02,857 As her partner in this effort, I can't deny that it was hard at first. 1190 01:05:03,441 --> 01:05:06,027 But Susan never went away. 1191 01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:09,614 She was always a source of good advice, 1192 01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:11,449 and she was always a friend. 1193 01:05:12,867 --> 01:05:14,535 And in the meantime, 1194 01:05:15,244 --> 01:05:18,039 a number of other really key people 1195 01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:23,002 came on to the scene that might not have if Susan had stayed around. 1196 01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:25,796 People like Sherry Corbin, who really... 1197 01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:29,884 was a pillar of the Vermont Freedom to Marry Task Force for a decade. 1198 01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:34,805 [Sherry] I remember covering miles and miles of territory, 1199 01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:39,644 walking into a house and the woman in the house running up 1200 01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:41,854 and giving you a hug, 1201 01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:44,607 and then saying, "Good luck with him." 1202 01:05:44,857 --> 01:05:45,900 [laughing] 1203 01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:47,818 And then dragging her husband up 1204 01:05:47,902 --> 01:05:50,571 and having a real debate about it. 1205 01:05:50,655 --> 01:05:55,993 So the House itself was divided, but... 1206 01:05:56,911 --> 01:05:58,371 humorously divided. 1207 01:05:59,163 --> 01:06:01,374 Freedom to Marry criss-crossed all over the state, 1208 01:06:01,457 --> 01:06:05,211 to hold a public meeting, or to hold a house meeting, we would call them. 1209 01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:07,171 Then having nobody show up. 1210 01:06:09,382 --> 01:06:12,051 That was frequently the situation. 1211 01:06:12,843 --> 01:06:15,972 And we would go anywhere anybody wanted to talk. 1212 01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:18,683 So, number one, why marriage? Why are we doing this? 1213 01:06:18,766 --> 01:06:20,434 Why is this important, especially after we went through 1214 01:06:20,518 --> 01:06:22,603 all that we went through in 2000 to get Civil Unions? 1215 01:06:22,728 --> 01:06:26,065 We were hitting every spot in the state. 1216 01:06:26,774 --> 01:06:28,985 Wasn't the kind of work that was getting headlines, 1217 01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:31,278 but it was the kind of work we knew we had to do 1218 01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:32,655 to steadily rebuild. 1219 01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:34,281 And when the story that our laws tells 1220 01:06:34,365 --> 01:06:35,741 is a story of separation and exclusion 1221 01:06:35,866 --> 01:06:38,035 that affects every single one of us, gay and straight, 1222 01:06:38,452 --> 01:06:39,537 single and couple, 1223 01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:40,830 old or young, 1224 01:06:41,122 --> 01:06:43,207 wanting to marry or not wanting to marry. 1225 01:06:43,290 --> 01:06:44,792 It isn't just about the committed couples 1226 01:06:44,875 --> 01:06:46,877 in same-sex relationships who want to marry. 1227 01:06:47,003 --> 01:06:50,047 It really is about a broader civil rights movement 1228 01:06:50,131 --> 01:06:51,799 and a broader movement for inclusion. 1229 01:06:51,882 --> 01:06:53,592 I have to say that, for me, that... 1230 01:06:53,968 --> 01:06:56,053 That really is what this is about. 1231 01:06:56,137 --> 01:06:57,805 [Beth] Some of the hardest times 1232 01:06:58,472 --> 01:07:00,850 were those long years in between 1233 01:07:01,851 --> 01:07:03,185 when 1234 01:07:04,103 --> 01:07:07,940 getting to the goal seemed so far away and so elusive, 1235 01:07:08,274 --> 01:07:11,527 and the work felt so not rewarding, 1236 01:07:11,652 --> 01:07:13,112 but you knew you had to do it. 1237 01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:19,076 [man] Vermont created the atmosphere and the foundation 1238 01:07:19,201 --> 01:07:21,579 to have this conversation on a national basis. 1239 01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:25,124 I think Vermont's experience taught people 1240 01:07:25,291 --> 01:07:26,542 how to talk about it. 1241 01:07:26,917 --> 01:07:29,879 Taught people that they could talk about it. 1242 01:07:30,087 --> 01:07:34,425 After Vermont, GLAD moved forward with a marriage case 1243 01:07:34,508 --> 01:07:35,718 in Massachusetts. 1244 01:07:36,635 --> 01:07:40,639 Good evening. It is one of the most contentious questions in America today. 1245 01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:42,850 Should gay people have the right to marry? 1246 01:07:43,142 --> 01:07:47,438 Today, the Massachusetts State Supreme Court ordered that state to do just that. 1247 01:07:47,646 --> 01:07:49,231 Legalize gay marriage, 1248 01:07:49,315 --> 01:07:51,275 ruling that a ban on such marriages 1249 01:07:51,358 --> 01:07:53,861 is unconstitutional in Massachusetts. 1250 01:07:54,153 --> 01:07:57,114 Massachusetts became the first state in the country 1251 01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:58,741 to allow gay people to get married. 1252 01:07:58,824 --> 01:08:03,454 They did that as a result of a Supreme Court decision in that state. 1253 01:08:03,537 --> 01:08:05,915 And that case, that was Mary Bonauto's case. 1254 01:08:05,998 --> 01:08:07,249 That was her case. 1255 01:08:07,416 --> 01:08:10,628 She had, you know, as much as I whined about how hard we worked in Vermont, 1256 01:08:10,753 --> 01:08:13,172 she was carrying multiple other states at the same time. 1257 01:08:13,255 --> 01:08:15,132 She was doing the same thing many places. 1258 01:08:15,549 --> 01:08:16,550 That was huge. 1259 01:08:17,051 --> 01:08:20,971 Now finally, these couples, who've been together years, if not decades, 1260 01:08:21,222 --> 01:08:23,307 will finally have the chance 1261 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,976 to be treated equally and fairly by their government 1262 01:08:26,102 --> 01:08:28,521 and have the right to join in civil marriage. 1263 01:08:28,646 --> 01:08:30,773 We made the same key 1264 01:08:31,232 --> 01:08:36,779 and core equality and liberty arguments that we had made in Vermont. 1265 01:08:37,113 --> 01:08:40,699 And the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court broke that historic barrier, 1266 01:08:41,033 --> 01:08:44,703 and found that excluding same-sex couples from marriage 1267 01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:47,164 violates that state's constitution. 1268 01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:50,209 For a four year period, 1269 01:08:50,459 --> 01:08:54,296 Republicans dominated the legislature, so, therefore, 1270 01:08:54,505 --> 01:08:56,132 marriage was off the table. 1271 01:08:56,507 --> 01:08:59,593 And then Democrats took over the legislature again, 1272 01:08:59,718 --> 01:09:03,264 and there was a glimmer of hope in Beth's eye about getting it done. 1273 01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:06,058 We could have gone back to court. That was one of the options we considered. 1274 01:09:06,725 --> 01:09:10,146 We wanted to rebut this notion, 1275 01:09:10,271 --> 01:09:14,817 that... people's elected representatives would never go for this, 1276 01:09:14,942 --> 01:09:17,987 that this was something that was being crammed down America's throat 1277 01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:19,446 by unelected judges. 1278 01:09:20,156 --> 01:09:21,448 It was important 1279 01:09:22,533 --> 01:09:25,202 to pass marriage somewhere legislatively, 1280 01:09:25,953 --> 01:09:28,497 because the opposition was saying, "Take it to the people." 1281 01:09:30,958 --> 01:09:34,753 The opposition was saying the only reason we have marriage is because of courts. 1282 01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:38,549 Nobody, no state had passed 1283 01:09:38,757 --> 01:09:41,510 marriage equality by legislation. 1284 01:09:42,386 --> 01:09:43,637 And that was our goal. 1285 01:09:44,138 --> 01:09:45,389 Hi, how you doing today? 1286 01:09:45,514 --> 01:09:47,850 My name's Tom from Vermont Freedom to Marry. Would you like a pin? 1287 01:09:48,058 --> 01:09:49,393 -Thank you. -You're welcome. 1288 01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:52,813 [man] Beth Robinson, and Vermont Freedom to Marry, 1289 01:09:52,897 --> 01:09:54,690 they went district by district 1290 01:09:54,773 --> 01:09:58,736 organizing everyday Vermonters, gay and lesbian Vermonters, 1291 01:09:58,944 --> 01:10:01,655 and family members, very strategically. 1292 01:10:01,864 --> 01:10:04,783 They would find people that went to high school with some legislators. 1293 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,578 They would find the right religious people. 1294 01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:10,164 They would find the business leaders to talk to those people. 1295 01:10:10,247 --> 01:10:13,542 They would find donors to the campaign, 1296 01:10:13,667 --> 01:10:15,085 and talk to these legislators. 1297 01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:16,837 It was just absolutely brilliant, 1298 01:10:16,962 --> 01:10:19,173 and it was laser focused. 1299 01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:21,467 [woman] Now is the time for action. 1300 01:10:21,592 --> 01:10:24,511 Every single one of you who knows anyone, 1301 01:10:24,595 --> 01:10:27,097 anywhere in this state, you need to call them. 1302 01:10:28,057 --> 01:10:31,393 You need to call them and ask them to call their representative. 1303 01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:36,315 Because minds can be changed like that. 1304 01:10:37,816 --> 01:10:39,902 [Beth] In the fall of 2008, we worked hard 1305 01:10:39,985 --> 01:10:42,488 to try to get Senator Shumlin on board. 1306 01:10:42,863 --> 01:10:44,573 We knew his heart was with us, 1307 01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:46,909 And it was a matter of persuading him 1308 01:10:46,992 --> 01:10:49,578 that the politics had changed and that he wasn't gonna be 1309 01:10:49,995 --> 01:10:52,039 taking his caucus, taking his... 1310 01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:57,086 people into some fire where they were gonna get burned. 1311 01:10:57,294 --> 01:11:00,923 She had this determination about her message, 1312 01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:03,842 and as did a number of other people in the room, in fairness to Beth, 1313 01:11:04,009 --> 01:11:09,598 where I thought, "Wow, if this woman and this group can really do this, 1314 01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:11,267 we can actually get this done." 1315 01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:15,813 [man] Peter Shumlin knew that the House was where the play was going to be. 1316 01:11:15,938 --> 01:11:18,565 And so he worked very closely with Shap Smith, 1317 01:11:18,691 --> 01:11:20,859 who was newly elected as Speaker of the House. 1318 01:11:21,318 --> 01:11:24,196 [Shap] I always was interested in politics as a young kid, 1319 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,825 but I was reignited in my interest in politics, 1320 01:11:27,908 --> 01:11:29,868 quite frankly, by the civil unions issue. 1321 01:11:29,994 --> 01:11:36,250 I saw people were willing to put their personal philosophy 1322 01:11:36,333 --> 01:11:41,797 on the line, even knowing that they, perhaps, were facing political danger. 1323 01:11:42,298 --> 01:11:46,719 I got a new faith in what politics could do. 1324 01:11:47,553 --> 01:11:50,431 The bill was very simple. It was a short bill, it wasn't a complex bill. 1325 01:11:50,514 --> 01:11:54,226 It simply said that the gender requirement in marriage 1326 01:11:54,351 --> 01:11:57,271 will no longer apply. That a person can marry a person. 1327 01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,857 We passed it overwhelmingly on the floor of the Senate. 1328 01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:03,110 Sent it over to the House, who did the same thing. We sent it to the governor's desk. 1329 01:12:03,444 --> 01:12:05,195 We thought for sure, to be honest, 1330 01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:08,282 that the Republican Governor, Jim Douglas, would sign that bill. 1331 01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:11,035 In all my great wisdom, 1332 01:12:12,953 --> 01:12:18,709 throughout the fall of 2008 and into the early part of 2009, 1333 01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:21,670 I had assured... 1334 01:12:22,671 --> 01:12:25,966 anybody who was concerned, that Governor Douglas would sign this bill, 1335 01:12:26,091 --> 01:12:29,219 or at a minimum, let it pass into law without his signature. 1336 01:12:29,887 --> 01:12:33,932 I was convinced that Governor Douglas would not veto this bill. 1337 01:12:35,017 --> 01:12:36,935 And I was wrong. 1338 01:12:37,644 --> 01:12:40,314 Very, very wrong. 1339 01:12:40,981 --> 01:12:42,483 As you know, it's been a policy of mine 1340 01:12:42,566 --> 01:12:44,902 not to announce whether or not I will veto a bill 1341 01:12:45,027 --> 01:12:46,320 before it reaches my desk, 1342 01:12:46,653 --> 01:12:48,489 but during these extraordinary times, 1343 01:12:48,822 --> 01:12:50,574 the speculation about my decision 1344 01:12:50,657 --> 01:12:52,951 has added to the anxiety of the moment 1345 01:12:53,285 --> 01:12:56,246 and further diverts attention from our most pressing issues, 1346 01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:58,290 and I cannot allow that to happen. 1347 01:12:58,916 --> 01:13:00,209 For those reasons, 1348 01:13:00,334 --> 01:13:03,921 and because I believe that by removing any uncertainty about my position, 1349 01:13:04,004 --> 01:13:06,548 we can move forward more quickly beyond this debate, 1350 01:13:06,799 --> 01:13:09,468 I'm announcing that I intend to veto this legislation 1351 01:13:09,593 --> 01:13:10,677 when it reaches my desk. 1352 01:13:11,136 --> 01:13:14,473 Our own governor stood up, called us a distraction, 1353 01:13:14,598 --> 01:13:17,267 and said that our civil rights weren't worthy of attention 1354 01:13:17,351 --> 01:13:19,603 this year, and that he would veto them. 1355 01:13:19,978 --> 01:13:21,230 [crowd booing] 1356 01:13:22,022 --> 01:13:23,857 But the task doesn't end with the governor, 1357 01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:26,068 the task ends right here in the Legislature, 1358 01:13:26,193 --> 01:13:28,654 with our leadership, with our elected representatives, 1359 01:13:28,821 --> 01:13:31,532 and the battle is by no means over. 1360 01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:33,033 An hour later, 1361 01:13:34,326 --> 01:13:35,953 Beth Robinson's in our door 1362 01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:39,998 saying, "We need a new ad in 24 hours." 1363 01:13:40,541 --> 01:13:44,670 And we looked at each other, and said, "Okay, we can do that." 1364 01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:46,588 [narrator] We are your neighbors. 1365 01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:49,842 Farmers, teachers, and clerks at the grocery store. 1366 01:13:49,967 --> 01:13:53,137 We are your sons and daughters, your parents and grandparents. 1367 01:13:53,345 --> 01:13:56,390 We are not a distraction, as the governor suggests. 1368 01:13:56,473 --> 01:14:00,769 We seek nothing more nor less than fairness for all Vermont's families. 1369 01:14:01,270 --> 01:14:04,773 Urge your representatives to protect civil rights for all Vermonters. 1370 01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:08,735 They were promoting a view of homosexuality 1371 01:14:08,819 --> 01:14:12,114 that would be palatable to the Vermont citizens, 1372 01:14:12,531 --> 01:14:16,535 and would pull on the heartstrings of Vermont citizens. 1373 01:14:16,994 --> 01:14:20,873 And, boy, some of their stuff pulled on mine, you know? 1374 01:14:21,415 --> 01:14:24,209 Suddenly we needed every vote we could get. 1375 01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:27,629 We didn't just need a majority in the House and the Senate, 1376 01:14:27,713 --> 01:14:28,964 we needed a super majority. 1377 01:14:29,047 --> 01:14:32,509 We needed a two-thirds majority in both the Senate and the House. 1378 01:14:32,968 --> 01:14:36,388 Susan came back on board and rekindled some of those relationships 1379 01:14:36,472 --> 01:14:37,806 that she had with the legislature, 1380 01:14:37,931 --> 01:14:40,058 which was something we definitely needed. 1381 01:14:40,601 --> 01:14:44,813 [Beth] The override votes in both chambers were scheduled for Tuesday morning. 1382 01:14:44,897 --> 01:14:47,191 When I went home on Friday, 1383 01:14:47,524 --> 01:14:50,861 in the House, we had the 97 that we knew of because they were on record 1384 01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:55,073 and we had three people who had committed privately to supporting 1385 01:14:55,657 --> 01:14:59,077 the override, even though they hadn't voted for the underlying bill. 1386 01:14:59,495 --> 01:15:03,457 Monday, when we got to the State House, 1387 01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:07,794 we didn't have the votes anymore. 1388 01:15:08,712 --> 01:15:09,963 One of the key votes, 1389 01:15:10,714 --> 01:15:13,842 a member, had told some people they were voting no, 1390 01:15:14,384 --> 01:15:16,136 and told others they were voting yes. 1391 01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:19,556 And I gotta tell you, when we left the State House the night before the vote 1392 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,768 to override, we didn't have the votes. 1393 01:15:23,602 --> 01:15:26,897 And we knew we were short at least by one, possibly two. 1394 01:15:28,106 --> 01:15:30,234 [Beth] I pretty much cried the whole way home. 1395 01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:35,072 It was the lowest time I think in the whole process for me. 1396 01:15:36,281 --> 01:15:40,953 I felt tremendously supported by Kim and I think that was... 1397 01:15:42,579 --> 01:15:44,498 That was the ultimate comfort through all of this. 1398 01:15:44,623 --> 01:15:46,291 I can't imagine... 1399 01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:50,045 doing this or anything, without her by my side. 1400 01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:54,383 Floyd Nease was the majority leader, 1401 01:15:54,466 --> 01:15:56,510 when I became Speaker of the House. 1402 01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:59,555 Floyd is and incredibly compassionate, 1403 01:15:59,888 --> 01:16:01,640 but forceful individual. 1404 01:16:02,015 --> 01:16:05,519 The morning of the override vote, 1405 01:16:06,019 --> 01:16:09,314 Floyd came and told me, "I just got a call 1406 01:16:09,773 --> 01:16:12,859 from the nursing home where my mom is. 1407 01:16:13,318 --> 01:16:17,197 And they've told me that she is dying, 1408 01:16:17,531 --> 01:16:18,865 I don't know what to do." 1409 01:16:20,033 --> 01:16:22,494 And I said, "Look, Floyd, your mother's dying. 1410 01:16:22,619 --> 01:16:24,913 There's no other option. You should go." 1411 01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:29,209 And he said, "I can't leave right now. 1412 01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:32,504 I'll leave as soon as the vote's over." 1413 01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:35,507 We knew that we needed every single vote. 1414 01:16:35,716 --> 01:16:39,261 And not only did we need the votes, we needed to have Floyd on the floor 1415 01:16:39,344 --> 01:16:41,221 working people to switch their vote. 1416 01:16:42,097 --> 01:16:43,807 But before the vote had happened, 1417 01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:46,184 he got a call to say that his mom had died. 1418 01:16:47,227 --> 01:16:49,646 And yet, he was able to come to the floor 1419 01:16:49,730 --> 01:16:50,981 and shore people up. 1420 01:16:51,481 --> 01:16:52,733 It was really incredible. 1421 01:16:54,443 --> 01:16:56,612 We had to make the decision to take it to a vote 1422 01:16:56,945 --> 01:16:59,156 without having the votes in hand. 1423 01:17:00,407 --> 01:17:03,493 And we determined that's what we had to do. 1424 01:17:04,244 --> 01:17:05,954 [man] When I came to the podium, 1425 01:17:06,204 --> 01:17:08,665 quite frankly, I was scared to death. 1426 01:17:09,708 --> 01:17:13,045 So, just as a reminder, "Yes" vote is a vote to override the veto, 1427 01:17:13,253 --> 01:17:15,756 and "No" vote is a vote to sustain the veto. 1428 01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:17,716 The clerk shall call the roll. 1429 01:17:17,924 --> 01:17:19,926 -Adams of Hartland. -No. 1430 01:17:20,385 --> 01:17:22,846 -Ainsworth of Royalton. -No. 1431 01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:25,140 [man] There was sort of a feeling of terror. 1432 01:17:25,432 --> 01:17:28,143 But you also have to stand up there and look confident. 1433 01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:32,314 So, I was just trying to make sure that I looked like I knew what I was doing. 1434 01:17:33,106 --> 01:17:35,984 [Beth] We had one vote that nobody could talk to because he was so tenuous, 1435 01:17:36,151 --> 01:17:39,988 and we had another vote, that we didn't know what was going on. 1436 01:17:40,322 --> 01:17:42,324 And I'm not gonna name names, 1437 01:17:42,407 --> 01:17:45,369 but I'll say that both of those votes came at the very end of the alphabet. 1438 01:17:45,952 --> 01:17:48,497 Which meant that we weren't really gonna know 1439 01:17:48,622 --> 01:17:51,124 until we got through the roll call. 1440 01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:53,627 -Lewis of Derby. -No. 1441 01:17:53,919 --> 01:17:56,630 -Lippert of Hinesburg. -Yes. 1442 01:17:57,172 --> 01:17:59,633 -Lorber of Burlington. -Yes. 1443 01:18:00,008 --> 01:18:02,719 -McAllister of Highgate. -No. 1444 01:18:03,345 --> 01:18:05,180 McCullough of Williston. 1445 01:18:05,347 --> 01:18:08,225 We had those little pieces of paper and we were keeping track 1446 01:18:08,308 --> 01:18:10,811 and it was extremely stressful. 1447 01:18:11,645 --> 01:18:13,855 [man] I had a very hard time 1448 01:18:14,189 --> 01:18:17,484 composing myself to read the vote tally. 1449 01:18:18,193 --> 01:18:20,529 Please listen to the results of your vote. 1450 01:18:21,988 --> 01:18:24,825 Those voting "Yes", 100, 1451 01:18:25,158 --> 01:18:27,869 those voting "No", 49. 1452 01:18:28,537 --> 01:18:32,916 A hundred needed to pass. You have voted to override the veto. 1453 01:18:32,999 --> 01:18:34,626 The House will come to order. 1454 01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:36,586 [applause] 1455 01:18:45,929 --> 01:18:48,807 [Beth] We'd been at it for 15 years. 1456 01:18:49,516 --> 01:18:52,811 And... a lot of people thought 1457 01:18:53,228 --> 01:18:55,188 we'd never get there in our lifetimes. 1458 01:18:55,772 --> 01:18:58,233 And we had. We'd done it. We won. 1459 01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:05,532 [man] There were people who took political risks today 1460 01:19:06,032 --> 01:19:07,784 because they knew it was the right thing to do. 1461 01:19:08,368 --> 01:19:10,495 And they have my gratitude forever. 1462 01:19:10,579 --> 01:19:13,165 I'm relieved. I'm overwhelmed. 1463 01:19:13,707 --> 01:19:15,959 We won. Veto 49. 1464 01:19:16,668 --> 01:19:20,714 [man] I went back to my office, closed the door and wept. 1465 01:19:22,007 --> 01:19:25,010 Vermont was the first state to grant state-wide legal recognition 1466 01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:27,095 to same-sex couples nine years ago. 1467 01:19:27,220 --> 01:19:29,473 Now, Vermont continues its pioneering ways, 1468 01:19:29,598 --> 01:19:32,225 becoming the first state to make same-sex marriage legal, 1469 01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:36,062 not because of a court ruling on the constitutionality of the issue, 1470 01:19:36,146 --> 01:19:41,151 but because the state legislature moved proactively to make it a new law. 1471 01:19:42,652 --> 01:19:46,323 [Cherry] There were hundreds of people that were involved 1472 01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:49,868 in this movement. This was not a gay agenda. 1473 01:19:50,327 --> 01:19:51,787 This was a human agenda. 1474 01:19:52,871 --> 01:19:57,834 Truth and fairness and justice and love are more powerful than one man's veto pen. 1475 01:19:58,001 --> 01:19:59,336 [cheering] 1476 01:20:02,547 --> 01:20:04,841 I do want to recognize the Freedom to Marry board. 1477 01:20:04,966 --> 01:20:09,095 They've been slogging away in obscurity for many years until we got to this last year, 1478 01:20:09,179 --> 01:20:11,181 and it's been a lot of work. 1479 01:20:11,306 --> 01:20:14,309 It's not the kind of board you join to pad your resume. 1480 01:20:14,643 --> 01:20:15,519 [laughing] 1481 01:20:15,644 --> 01:20:18,230 It's the kind of board you join to be driven 1482 01:20:18,438 --> 01:20:20,816 to the bone and then driven some more. 1483 01:20:21,024 --> 01:20:21,900 [laughing] 1484 01:20:22,150 --> 01:20:23,485 We're not done. 1485 01:20:23,777 --> 01:20:26,279 We're not done until every person who voted for this bill 1486 01:20:26,404 --> 01:20:29,241 in the House and the Senate got a thousand thank-you notes. 1487 01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:31,159 [cheering] 1488 01:20:41,253 --> 01:20:46,550 And we're not done until every person who stood up and voted for this bill 1489 01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:49,386 is re-elected in November of 2010. 1490 01:20:56,977 --> 01:21:01,189 [Susan] Marriage is a vital package of legal rights and responsibilities. 1491 01:21:02,524 --> 01:21:06,152 But it's also a symbol of acceptance by the state 1492 01:21:06,278 --> 01:21:08,154 and by the community at large. 1493 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,994 When Karen and I got married, it meant all of those things and more. 1494 01:21:15,328 --> 01:21:17,080 After two dozen years together, 1495 01:21:17,163 --> 01:21:19,040 it was a way to finally show the world 1496 01:21:19,124 --> 01:21:21,626 the commitment that we've always had to one another. 1497 01:21:23,879 --> 01:21:25,714 We are so lucky to be alive now, 1498 01:21:25,797 --> 01:21:29,968 and to be experiencing these changes, and to be a part of making them happen. 1499 01:21:30,635 --> 01:21:33,054 Though we have come such a long way from being... 1500 01:21:33,138 --> 01:21:35,515 essentially entire outsiders to the Constitution, 1501 01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,893 to being slowly but surely brought in 1502 01:21:38,351 --> 01:21:40,353 to those promises that are there for everyone. 1503 01:21:42,022 --> 01:21:44,900 One of the great honors of being governor 1504 01:21:44,983 --> 01:21:46,776 is that you get to appoint judges. 1505 01:21:47,027 --> 01:21:50,739 So I went out and looked for the smartest, most capable lawyer 1506 01:21:50,822 --> 01:21:51,740 that I'd ever met 1507 01:21:52,282 --> 01:21:54,492 as my first appointment to the Supreme Court. 1508 01:21:54,993 --> 01:21:59,039 There is no one more fair, there's no one more capable, 1509 01:21:59,331 --> 01:22:01,666 there's no one with a finer legal mind, 1510 01:22:01,958 --> 01:22:05,253 and there's no one who is more committed to justice, 1511 01:22:05,378 --> 01:22:09,132 to integrity, and to doing the right thing for all Vermonters, 1512 01:22:09,215 --> 01:22:10,383 than Beth Robinson. 1513 01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:11,968 I, Beth Robinson... 1514 01:22:12,093 --> 01:22:16,389 Do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the Office of Associate Justice. 1515 01:22:16,806 --> 01:22:20,727 [Beth] Do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the Office of Associate Justice. 1516 01:22:21,019 --> 01:22:22,520 [cheering] 1517 01:22:28,526 --> 01:22:31,279 I'd like to think that I'm a better person 1518 01:22:31,988 --> 01:22:33,657 because of the amazing people 1519 01:22:34,866 --> 01:22:37,702 that I've had the opportunity to work with. 1520 01:22:38,828 --> 01:22:40,455 I think about Holly and Lois, 1521 01:22:40,747 --> 01:22:42,958 Nina and Stacy, and Stan and Peter, 1522 01:22:43,041 --> 01:22:45,085 and Susan, and Mary, and... 1523 01:22:45,752 --> 01:22:50,757 the hundreds of people who invited me to their living room 1524 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,175 to talk to their neighbors. 1525 01:22:53,176 --> 01:22:55,637 Every one of those people made me a better person. 1526 01:22:57,055 --> 01:22:59,099 Anybody who's advocating... 1527 01:23:00,266 --> 01:23:04,813 for LGBTQ rights in any way, whether it's marriage or anything else... 1528 01:23:05,146 --> 01:23:09,985 and whether the advocate is gay, or straight, or doesn't embrace labels at all, 1529 01:23:11,277 --> 01:23:16,074 we need to understand that the human piece comes first. 1530 01:23:16,866 --> 01:23:18,618 People's heads will follow... 1531 01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:21,705 if you get their hearts. 1532 01:23:24,499 --> 01:23:26,918 [solemn instrumental music playing] 123769

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