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Looking like a veritable movie star.
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Don't know how I got
picked, Mr. Summers.
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Oh, you were our number
one choice, Janet.
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- See you out there.
- Here, Ma.
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Excuse me, Jerry.
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- Where do you want this?
- Oh, exam room.
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- Thanks.
- Okay.
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I feel bad asking,
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but do you think I could
talk with Dr. Duntsch?
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Oh, he's real busy. Can I do something?
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It's more of a doctor-patient thing.
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Definitely don't want
me handling that stuff.
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- I'll talk to him.
- Thank you, Jerry.
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Will you make sure your mom's
memorized on what she's saying?
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I don't want her getting distracted
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- with lights, camera, action.
- Yeah.
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Two reasons why patients
normally present
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to their doctors for pain
related to the spine.
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The first is related to the
peripheral nervous system.
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That's called radiculopathy.
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Now, normally, that type
of pain is associated
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- with depression or with...
- Yo, Chris.
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- ... degenerative changes in...
- Cut.
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Okay, um, let's take a break.
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Knock out the patient's
portion. Come back.
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Good idea.
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Fuck me.
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I am so sorry.
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You're looking good. Feeling good?
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I thought it'd be more professional.
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Tell me what needs fixing,
Chrissy, anything.
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Kim's all over it.
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I know you're in the zone, but
Sarah wants to talk to you.
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Janet's daughter. Our patient?
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Oh, yeah, that's fine.
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Hey. Dr. Duntsch, how can I help you?
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Hi, Dr. Duntsch.
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I noticed something in my mom's scar.
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Like, blue peeking out,
like a piece of sponge.
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So I got some tweezers and...
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Oh, wow. You should not have done that.
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Oh, my God. What did I do?
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No, it's just a stitch. It's fine,
but... look, you should call me
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before you go digging around
in there again, okay?
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- I did call a few times.
- Quiet on set.
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You ready, Jenny?
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Should I tell my own story?
Because this isn't my story.
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Janet, you look great today.
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Thank you so much for doing this.
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You did good.
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Yeah.
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Roll camera. And action.
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Dr. Duntsch is one great man.
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He is the best doctor I think
that you could ever go to,
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and if you're having
the problems that I had,
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you know, give him a call
because he'll fix you.
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- _
- No God damn way.
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- Mr. Duntsch...
- Doctor.
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I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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- Doctor.
- Dr. Duntsch,
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I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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No, I don't.
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I do not appreciate being
locked up in a cage
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like a dog for a year and a half.
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And I certainly do not
appreciate you telling me
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that my best bet going forward
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is not just to fire your asses
and hire real lawyers,
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but to ask for a continuance.
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I need to find someone
to testify on your behalf.
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Put me on the stand.
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If anybody else tries
to describe what it is
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that I do or how I do it,
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they're just gonna end up
looking like a bunch of jerks.
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See, that right there is why
you can't take the stand.
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You're emotionally driven.
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And when you're emotional,
you can't control what you say.
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Try me.
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You are a drug-and
alcohol-addicted surgeon
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who was too impaired
to perform surgeries.
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Allegedly. None of that was...
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Like a drunk driver, which, by the way,
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- you have on your record, Mr. Duntsch.
- Doctor.
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No, you're no longer a doctor.
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- You had your license stripped.
- Temporarily.
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Not if we have anything to do with it.
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And how about that email?
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The one in which you're prepared
to become a cold-blooded killer.
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I never meant for that
to be taken literally...
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You wrote it.
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So it was just a coincidence
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that you wrote that email to your lover,
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who also happens to be your assistant,
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just prior to killing or
maiming over 33 patients?
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It's not my fault!
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The anesthesiologists and the nurses
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and the fat fucking patients...
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Fire me, but know whoever
slides into this seat
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is gonna tell you a version
of the same thing.
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I am trying to keep you
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from spending the rest
of your life in prison.
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I don't want to.
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You've got my deposition,
and you've got my records.
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I don't have anything more to give.
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The judge ruled you have
to testify in front...
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How could the emails not be true?
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He sent them to me.
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The defense has a right
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to cross-examine you and confirm that.
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You know, I thought the other
side of the world was far enough.
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They don't want me there
because of the emails.
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They wanna know about us,
about our relationship.
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What are they gonna ask?
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If it were me,
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I would remind them as often as I could
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that you two were sleeping together
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to establish a conflict of interest.
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You mean to call me a whore
who can't be trusted?
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I know you're trying to leave
this all behind, Ms. Morgan,
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but there's only one way to do that.
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This is hostile. She's being hostile.
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Do you need her to testify?
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I do if I wanna introduce that email.
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Can you prove your
case without the email?
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Precedent-setting is precedent-setting,
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Dr. Henderson. No one's
ever done this before.
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Gotta assume every little bit helps.
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She's been through enough.
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What the hell are you
talking about, Bob?
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She was in the O.R.
She was in the consult.
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She had to know what was going on.
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You ask me, she hasn't
been through enough.
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What about questioning his
training and the investments?
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And we have the hospitals moving
him around. What? What?
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We brought charges of elder abuse.
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The only way to prove that
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is to prove that he was trained well
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and that he knew what he was doing,
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the whole time, he knew
he was going to harm her.
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Well, what about the drugs?
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That would be helpful, but...
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Fine, fantastic. Drag
Kayla Gibson in here.
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Unless Ms. Gibson knew he
was high and was with him
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in surgery that day, it's inadmissible.
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- This is ridiculous.
- No, it's not.
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You came to me to help you stop Duntsch.
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We have to choose.
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If he's our goal,
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then we have to focus
on him and only him.
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State, call your first witness.
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Drew Sweeney.
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- Joe Padua.
- Harold Brennan.
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- Earl Burke.
- Elaine Johnson.
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Henry Aldrich.
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- Cindy Tremblay.
- Stan Novak.
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Would you tell us a
little about yourself?
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I'm 41.
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I work for the Collin County
Medical Examiner's Office.
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I worked for a pool company.
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My wife, Shelley, was an
elementary education teacher.
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Dorothy and I were married 46 years.
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Two kids, nine grandkids.
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Commercial construction project manager.
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Started driving trucks in '98.
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Two children... both had better
be in school right now.
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I'm an air conditioner contractor.
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What were your symptoms
prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch?
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- Light back pain.
- Lower back pain.
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We were decorating the Christmas tree,
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and Shelley missed a rung.
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- Neck pain.
- Pain in the neck and numb pinky.
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Numbness.
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- Tingling in my finger.
- Back pain.
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Hard to be a mom when
you can't pick anything up.
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Broke my back. Motorcycle accident.
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How did you hear about Dr. Duntsch?
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- My doctor.
- Family doctor.
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Website called Best Docs.
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Baylor Medical website. Five stars.
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Seemed like he knew what
he was talking about.
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He told us he was gonna fix her.
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That's all we needed to know.
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Arrogant.
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Told me he was the
best in the metroplex.
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So it's the day of the surgery.
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I had second thoughts that day.
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My understanding was my surgery
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was supposed to last a couple of hours.
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It took four.
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When you woke up from surgery,
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what was that like?
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A nightmare.
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I woke up in a nightmare,
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tubes coming out of everywhere.
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Feeding tubes, drain tubes.
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I couldn't move, and the pain...
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They were pumping me full of blood,
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and I didn't know why.
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I was sore. I hurt.
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- I was worse.
- Couldn't move,
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and my wife told me he'd found a tumor
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and had to abort the surgery.
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It turns out it was a piece
of my neck muscle.
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Every bone hurt. I was crying.
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I'm sober, so I can't take the meds.
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She never woke up.
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I went home. I laid around.
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Wasn't eating or drinking anything
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'cause of the sore throat.
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I remember being like I was a baby.
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You know, like a baby who
can't hold himself up.
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First thing that went through my mind:
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what's he done to me?
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He looked at the incision
and said everything was fine.
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He kept repeating himself.
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He kept saying that what was wrong
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wasn't related to the surgery.
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I knew there was something
wrong with this guy.
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Sorry, man. You looked high as a kite.
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- Objection.
- Sustained.
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Has this changed your life?
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I walk with a limp.
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I have trouble with incontinence,
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erectile dysfunction.
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I can't sing.
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Not that I was ever a good singer,
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but that's just an everyday reminder.
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She was the love of my life.
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It's hard to get over a broken heart.
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Just living one day at a
time, just like recovery.
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I can't play with my
children like I used to.
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I learned ways to control the pain,
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mostly through prayer and meditation.
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I sit in a recliner, watch TV,
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a lot of medicine, antidepressants.
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I miss her.
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She was...
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she was a very... very good woman.
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And that's all I can say.
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Can you tell us how old you are?
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70.
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And what did you do for a living?
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I was a teacher's aide,
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and then I worked in
physical therapy for a bit.
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Ironic.
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What took you to Christopher Duntsch?
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I had back pain for years,
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and it radiated to the end of my foot.
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And I tried all the treatments.
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Steroid shots, PT.
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Nothing worked.
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Before you met the defendant,
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had you had surgery?
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Mm-hmm. 2008.
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A laminectomy.
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It helped for a number of years,
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but it didn't last and then
my pain management team
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referred me to Dr. Duntsch.
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How did you feel going into the surgery?
259
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Fine. Good.
260
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I walked into the hospital happy,
261
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and I was thinking,
"This is gonna fix it."
262
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And how did you feel when you woke up?
263
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I was in pain.
264
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I was in pain,
265
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and no one could tell me
what was wrong with me
266
00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:05,610
until Dr. Henderson.
267
00:13:05,630 --> 00:13:11,760
He said that he thought that the
fusion was improperly placed,
268
00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:16,960
and that something was
pressing against a nerve.
269
00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:20,280
He said he didn't want
to wait to operate on me,
270
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so they rushed me in.
271
00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:26,340
What happened after Dr.
Henderson operated on you?
272
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The pain was much better, and I could...
273
00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:33,020
I could move my right foot a bit,
274
00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,020
but not my left.
275
00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,940
So prior to surgery with
Christopher Duntsch,
276
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you had pain, but you
could still live life.
277
00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,300
And now?
278
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I wish I could go back to the days
279
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before I met Christopher Duntsch.
280
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Would you please introduce
yourself to the jury?
281
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Randall Parker Kirby.
282
00:14:11,780 --> 00:14:15,250
I went to Rice undergrad.
Baylor for medical school.
283
00:14:15,270 --> 00:14:18,430
Stayed at Baylor for my five-year
general surgery residency
284
00:14:18,450 --> 00:14:20,640
as well as my two-year
vascular surgery fellowship.
285
00:14:20,650 --> 00:14:24,500
I have privileges at every
major hospital in Dallas,
286
00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,880
including Baylor, Medical City Dallas,
287
00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:28,360
Medical City Children's,
288
00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:32,140
Methodist, Dallas Medical, Presbyterian,
289
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:34,980
and approximately 40
other smaller hospitals
290
00:14:35,010 --> 00:14:38,200
and outpatient surgery centers
here in the metroplex.
291
00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:42,790
My area of expertise is
anterior spinal access.
292
00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:45,140
I work with most of the neurosurgical
293
00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,340
and orthopedic spine
surgeons here in DFW.
294
00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,500
I open up the chest and the
abdomen so they can correct
295
00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,470
whatever deformity they need
to correct in the front.
296
00:14:55,490 --> 00:15:00,980
I perform between two to four
of these operations per day.
297
00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,300
Five... call it six days a week.
298
00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,360
I do hernias, gallbladders,
299
00:15:07,380 --> 00:15:09,980
blockages of the legs and
the neck arteries, anyone?
300
00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,670
But my area of expertise and
the chapters I've published
301
00:15:14,690 --> 00:15:16,570
have all been on anterior spine access.
302
00:15:16,590 --> 00:15:18,500
And were you called in on a case
303
00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,710
regarding a patient named Joe Padua?
304
00:15:20,730 --> 00:15:24,860
Yeah, he works with the company
that takes care of my pool.
305
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,260
I was asked to come in, lend a hand.
306
00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,000
It seemed nobody else was available.
307
00:15:29,020 --> 00:15:30,040
Available?
308
00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:31,430
Nobody wanted to work with him.
309
00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,580
Objection.
310
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The witness has no way of knowing that.
311
00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:35,280
Oh, I do.
312
00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:37,540
- Sustained.
- Eh.
313
00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:40,780
Did you know Dr. Duntsch
prior to this surgery?
314
00:15:40,810 --> 00:15:43,480
I met him one time before
we had a conversation.
315
00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:47,540
I was scrubbing in on a case,
and he tried to convince me
316
00:15:47,570 --> 00:15:50,730
that he was the best
spine surgeon in town.
317
00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:54,410
I found the conversation disturbing.
318
00:15:54,430 --> 00:15:57,200
I mean, sure, most surgeons
are superior sons of guns,
319
00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:58,910
some would even say yours truly,
320
00:15:58,930 --> 00:16:01,500
but this guy was next level.
321
00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,000
I mean, he tried to tell me
that all the surgeries in Dallas
322
00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:05,660
were being performed incorrectly.
323
00:16:06,820 --> 00:16:10,010
And what did you observe
during your operation with him?
324
00:16:10,030 --> 00:16:12,840
An anterior lumbar fusion at L5-S1
325
00:16:12,860 --> 00:16:16,200
is about the easiest procedure
a spine surgeon can perform,
326
00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:18,180
and he just struggled.
327
00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,730
I mean, he was functioning at the level
328
00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:22,480
of a first-or second-year resident.
329
00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:25,310
Instead of using a scalpel
to remove the disc,
330
00:16:25,330 --> 00:16:28,810
he just started grabbing at it
with a double-action rongeur.
331
00:16:30,540 --> 00:16:33,550
All right, imagine, instead
of using a pizza slicer
332
00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,490
to divide and conquer your
extra-large pepperoni,
333
00:16:36,510 --> 00:16:39,950
you went after it with a
pair of lockjaw pliers.
334
00:16:39,970 --> 00:16:42,410
Not appetizing, right?
335
00:16:42,430 --> 00:16:45,680
Did it appear to you that
there was more blood loss
336
00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:48,500
- than there should be?
- When he was taking the disc out,
337
00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,130
he took off a bit of bone
338
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:53,170
from the bottom of
the L5 vertebral body.
339
00:16:53,180 --> 00:16:56,760
In surgical parlance,
he violated the endplate.
340
00:16:56,780 --> 00:16:59,140
Very difficult to do in healthy bone.
341
00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,930
He did the same thing to the sacrum.
342
00:17:00,950 --> 00:17:03,160
When you start chewing into bone,
343
00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:04,350
you get a lot of bleeding.
344
00:17:04,370 --> 00:17:08,360
It's not easy to stop bleeding
when it's coming from bone.
345
00:17:08,380 --> 00:17:10,850
You're just really not
supposed to do that.
346
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:13,230
What are you supposed to do?
347
00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:15,420
Curet off the cartilage.
348
00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,280
A curet is like a scraper.
349
00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:18,990
You scrape off all the cartilage
350
00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:20,420
so you can get a proper fusion,
351
00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,320
and then heal bone to bone.
352
00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:24,500
When did you leave the surgery?
353
00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,280
Midway, I was called into a
previously scheduled operation.
354
00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:31,750
- Grudgingly.
- Grudgingly. Why grudgingly?
355
00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:40,890
He was the neurosurgeon.
He was in charge.
356
00:17:40,910 --> 00:17:42,470
I did my job.
357
00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:47,940
I did my best to guide
him, and then I left.
358
00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:52,640
In hindsight, I suppose I could
have dragged him out of there.
359
00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:56,230
If there's ever a next time, I will.
360
00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,530
- State passes.
- Defense.
361
00:18:11,180 --> 00:18:14,880
You stated that Dr. Duntsch
was operating at the level
362
00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:17,750
of a first-or second-year
surgical resident.
363
00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:21,430
How many years does a neurosurgical
resident typically study?
364
00:18:21,450 --> 00:18:23,000
Six.
365
00:18:23,020 --> 00:18:25,310
And would that include his training?
366
00:18:25,330 --> 00:18:27,740
Or lack thereof.
367
00:18:29,530 --> 00:18:32,060
Or lack thereof.
368
00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:36,020
Well said.
369
00:18:36,030 --> 00:18:38,770
Defense passes the witness.
370
00:18:38,790 --> 00:18:41,690
We stand in recess until tomorrow.
371
00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,170
We can shift the blame to your training.
372
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,760
My training was some of
the best in the world.
373
00:19:05,780 --> 00:19:09,010
No, it was some of the worst.
374
00:19:10,180 --> 00:19:11,760
What are you talking about?
375
00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:13,960
We'll say you slipped
through the cracks.
376
00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:15,630
You were told you were
good enough to graduate,
377
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,060
but you didn't have
enough training hours.
378
00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:19,660
Your financial ties to Skadden
379
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,960
and the rest of the investors
blinded them to your...
380
00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:23,150
- to your flaws.
- Stop.
381
00:19:23,170 --> 00:19:25,950
The entire medical community of
Dallas should have recognized it.
382
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:28,880
Instead, they simply moved
you from hospital to hospital.
383
00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:32,500
You are erasing my legacy.
384
00:19:34,180 --> 00:19:36,000
Legacy?
385
00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:39,630
Christopher, you're done.
386
00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:42,660
- Fuck you. Fuck you.
- You'll never practice medicine again.
387
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,930
And why aren't you pushing
back on any of their witnesses?
388
00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:46,430
How exactly would I do that, Chris?
389
00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:48,390
I don't know. That's your job, isn't it?
390
00:19:48,410 --> 00:19:49,420
You break them down.
391
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:50,570
- You tell them they're wrong.
- Chris...
392
00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:53,150
You get them to admit...
admit whatever it was
393
00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:55,150
that they lied to me about
that messed up their surgery.
394
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,880
- Chris...
- You do something to defend me.
395
00:19:57,900 --> 00:19:59,310
The only witness,
396
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,070
the only defense that I have right now
397
00:20:01,090 --> 00:20:03,070
is gonna speak to your narcissism.
398
00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:07,040
Our best bet is to prove
399
00:20:07,060 --> 00:20:08,900
that you never should
have practiced medicine.
400
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,620
Give me this. Please give me this,
401
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,010
and we might be able to save you.
402
00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:08,720
Thanks for being here
today, Mr. Summers.
403
00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:12,620
Can you tell us how
you know Mr. Duntsch?
404
00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:17,500
We were classmates.
405
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,820
Went to high school together.
406
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:21,120
Lost touch.
407
00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:24,700
Reconnected when he returned
to medical school in Memphis.
408
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,080
What led you to have
surgery with Mr. Duntsch?
409
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:31,910
Sharp, stabbing-like
sticking pain in my neck.
410
00:21:31,930 --> 00:21:33,250
Numbness.
411
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:34,950
Did he explain the risks?
412
00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:36,830
He advised it was dangerous.
413
00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:40,040
He promised to take care of me.
414
00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:44,040
What did you do the
night before the surgery?
415
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:57,600
Watched a game. Basketball.
416
00:21:57,620 --> 00:22:00,660
Then I went to bed around 10:00.
417
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,270
May... maybe more like 11:30.
418
00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:09,230
What's the first thing you
remember after the surgery?
419
00:22:10,940 --> 00:22:13,940
I could barely move.
420
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:19,600
I just kind of started
freaking out, hollering.
421
00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:21,080
Wanting to know what was going on.
422
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:24,420
And did Chris come and talk to you?
423
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,680
Not at first, but eventually.
424
00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:31,880
And then they took me
in for a second surgery,
425
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:34,520
and when I got out,
I couldn't move at all.
426
00:22:34,540 --> 00:22:37,530
Do you remember making
a statement in the ICU
427
00:22:37,550 --> 00:22:40,080
that you and Chris were
doing cocaine together
428
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:41,780
the night prior to surgery?
429
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,420
I wanted to see him.
430
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,240
He wasn't coming around,
and I... I was mad.
431
00:22:57,260 --> 00:22:59,960
I made it up.
432
00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:02,880
He was my doctor.
433
00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:07,300
I wanted to know why I couldn't
move. He was in charge.
434
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,540
He wouldn't come see me.
435
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960
And he was your friend?
436
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:19,000
Let the record show the witness nodded.
437
00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:21,310
He was your best friend?
438
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,690
Let the record show the witness nodded.
439
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:29,940
And he abandoned you?
440
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,100
The State passes the witness.
441
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,710
I'm terribly sorry for
what happened to you.
442
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:54,720
You and Chris played
football together, yes?
443
00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:55,760
That's right.
444
00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:58,890
And did you have some victories
445
00:23:58,910 --> 00:24:01,100
and some not-so-great games?
446
00:24:03,090 --> 00:24:04,220
Yeah.
447
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,570
And how did Chris deal with those games?
448
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:10,730
Did he always go in and
always try to do his best?
449
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,070
Yeah.
450
00:24:14,980 --> 00:24:18,040
Were you aware that he was
in a fellowship program
451
00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:20,320
studying under Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
452
00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:21,700
Yes.
453
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,430
And from your understanding,
was it very important,
454
00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:26,620
what he was doing for Dr. Skadden?
455
00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:29,620
Yeah.
456
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,160
And things like doing surgeries
457
00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:35,940
while he was there under
Skadden's supervision,
458
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,180
that was important to becoming
a successful surgeon?
459
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,510
Yeah.
460
00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:43,730
Did you ever see Chris
get out of obligations
461
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:45,390
that he had at school?
462
00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:48,730
I felt that way sometimes.
463
00:24:48,750 --> 00:24:50,740
Can you give us an example of that?
464
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,450
Like, something that you saw
or that made you think that?
465
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:58,020
I can just remember maybe
making a phone call to a doctor,
466
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,160
maybe Dr. Skadden or another doctor,
467
00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:03,910
to say that he had stuff
to do for DiscGenics.
468
00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:10,120
And I can remember them let
him out whatever he had to do.
469
00:25:10,150 --> 00:25:12,260
When you would find out that Dr. Skadden
470
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,380
and/or some other doctor
would just excuse him
471
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,630
from doing things at school
in lieu of staying in the lab,
472
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,870
I mean, did you think
that was a problem?
473
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,400
I never knew that,
474
00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:23,390
you know, what was
happening, and so I... I...
475
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,080
I don't know what he was missing
or where he was going.
476
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:29,020
- So I... I don't know.
- Okay.
477
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,940
Well, did you ever meet
any one of his classmates,
478
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,880
or anyone who went to the University
of Tennessee Med School,
479
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:37,440
and talk to them about the rigors
480
00:25:37,460 --> 00:25:40,530
of completing medical school
and completing that fellowship?
481
00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:42,950
I don't remember.
482
00:25:42,970 --> 00:25:45,070
You don't remember anyone saying
483
00:25:45,090 --> 00:25:48,130
that he only got through medical school
484
00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:49,450
because Skadden liked him?
485
00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:51,960
I heard that after... you know,
486
00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:53,920
something similar to
that since my surgery.
487
00:25:53,940 --> 00:25:57,170
Do you remember who that was
that told you that or is that...
488
00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:00,220
I heard it from a friend who
heard it from another friend,
489
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,680
and he made a comment
490
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:06,100
that Chris was able to
circumvent the program.
491
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:09,850
Did they attribute that
circumventing to Dr. Skadden
492
00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:11,860
- or some other doctor or both?
- I don't know.
493
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,350
- I don't... I don't know.
- Okay.
494
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:14,570
I don't know.
495
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:17,030
- Okay, you said you understood...
- I think what they attributed to
496
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,740
is the fact that they had
companies with them.
497
00:26:18,750 --> 00:26:21,180
Well, that was the next thing
I was gonna ask you about.
498
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,910
You said they had companies with him.
499
00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:28,000
They gave all the funds
to those companies.
500
00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:29,100
Right.
501
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,750
For him to do the research, right?
502
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:32,410
Right.
503
00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:35,090
Okay, and it was very important
504
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:37,280
that research be successful
505
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:39,040
to those companies. Is that correct?
506
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:42,920
Yeah.
507
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:45,020
Now, when Chris moved here,
508
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,770
did he cut off all work
509
00:26:46,790 --> 00:26:49,900
with Dr. Skadden and DiscGenics?
510
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,960
Not that I know of.
511
00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:52,580
So Chris came to Dallas,
512
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,780
and he worked at the Minimally
Invasive Spine Institute.
513
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,690
- Is that correct?
- Yeah.
514
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:59,570
And while he was working there,
515
00:26:59,590 --> 00:27:01,860
he was being pursued by Amy Piel
516
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,740
at Baylor-Plano. Is that correct?
517
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,370
Well, she was interested in having
518
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:07,280
a successful clinic on the property.
519
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,960
Mm-hmm. All to herself.
520
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:14,520
Because if he was with Missy,
521
00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:18,450
she wasn't getting all the
fees that he would generate.
522
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,050
Yeah.
523
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:28,360
So both the chair of his fellowship,
524
00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:30,430
the person responsible for his training,
525
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:32,660
and one of the largest hospitals
526
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,740
in the Dallas-Fort Worth
area had financial reasons
527
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,340
for ensuring that Christopher
Duntsch was successful.
528
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:47,780
I'd say so.
529
00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:54,130
Defense passes the witness.
530
00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:56,250
Redirect.
531
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,340
Did Christopher ever visit
you after the surgery?
532
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,980
After you returned home to Memphis?
533
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:08,840
Once. He came to visit.
534
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,220
What did you talk about?
535
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,880
His baby, his practice.
536
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:19,690
Nothing in depth.
537
00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:22,150
Did he ask about you?
538
00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:26,500
About what was happening in your life?
539
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,120
No.
540
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:36,460
Ms. McClung said that she was sorry
541
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,900
for what happened to you,
542
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,000
even though she has no
connection to your surgery.
543
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:45,740
Has Christopher ever said he was sorry?
544
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:54,560
No.
545
00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:01,690
Final question, Mr. Summers.
546
00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:03,950
He's here now.
547
00:29:03,970 --> 00:29:06,660
Is there anything you
want to say to him?
548
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,240
- Objection.
- Sustained.
549
00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:15,490
I love you.
550
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:18,750
The jury will disregard
that last statement.
551
00:29:19,420 --> 00:29:22,670
The State has no further questions.
552
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,510
Would you please introduce
yourself to the jury?
553
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:38,570
Major Kimberly Morgan.
554
00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:40,070
United States Air Force.
555
00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:42,320
And are you currently out on deployment
556
00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:44,230
in a location you cannot disclose?
557
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:46,180
Yes, ma'am, due to security.
558
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,900
Are you familiar with a person
named Christopher Duntsch?
559
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,380
Yes, ma'am. I ran the
office at his clinic
560
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,830
and assisted in surgery.
561
00:29:53,850 --> 00:29:56,400
Can you tell us what
the defendant was like?
562
00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:57,450
His demeanor?
563
00:29:57,460 --> 00:30:00,160
Caring, kind,
564
00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:02,340
always very nice to the patients.
565
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,920
He took time to listen to them.
566
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:08,800
And did that change over the course
of the time you were with him?
567
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:14,350
Yes, after the event in February 2012.
568
00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:15,860
The event?
569
00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:19,270
Jerry Summers' surgery.
570
00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:26,780
Mr. Summers wasn't
able to use his limbs,
571
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,460
was having difficulty breathing,
572
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,930
and then he talked about
how he and Dr. Duntsch
573
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:35,600
were doing cocaine the
night before the surgery.
574
00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:38,300
You were ordered to take a drug test?
575
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,960
Myself and Dr. Duntsch.
I took it right away that day.
576
00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:44,630
- Did the defendant?
- Eventually.
577
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,000
It came back clean, and Baylor
reinstated his privileges.
578
00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:52,130
Shelley Brennan would be the
last patient you assisted on?
579
00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:55,280
Yes.
580
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:58,010
What do you remember about her surgery?
581
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,400
It's a simple surgery.
582
00:31:12,420 --> 00:31:14,340
In one day, home the next.
583
00:31:17,150 --> 00:31:21,910
This is an email from
Duntsch@TNIclinic.net
584
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:24,080
to Kimberly Morgan.
585
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,300
The subject is "Occam's Razor."
586
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,160
"Kim, unfortunately,
you cannot understand
587
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:34,650
"that I really am building an empire,
588
00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:37,520
"and I am so far outside the box
589
00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:41,810
"that the Earth is small
and the Sun is bright.
590
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:43,380
"Anyone close to me
591
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,570
"thinks that I'm likely something
between God, Einstein,
592
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:49,480
and the Antichrist...
593
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,980
Because how can I do
anything that I want
594
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,640
across any discipline boundary
595
00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:56,740
like it's a playground
and never ever lose?
596
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,240
Unfortunately, despite the
fact that I am winning,
597
00:32:00,260 --> 00:32:02,540
it is not happening fast enough.
598
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,660
What is the problem, Kim?
599
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,040
It is simply that everyone
else is human,
600
00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:10,840
and there's nothing I can do about it.
601
00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:13,930
So I pick and choose my humans
602
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:16,860
and try to help them.
603
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,700
You, my child,
604
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,760
are the only one standing
between me and the other side.
605
00:32:25,780 --> 00:32:31,220
I am ready to leave the love
and kindness and goodness
606
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,260
and patience that I mixed
with everything else that I am
607
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,950
and become a cold-blooded killer.
608
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:41,880
The sad fact is, I could
go faster, do better,
609
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:44,000
catch more honor and respect
610
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:46,420
by fucking everybody in the brain,
611
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,330
emotionally and mentally
controlling them
612
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:50,670
in a manner that borders on abuse,
613
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:54,970
taking no prisoners,
sending everyone in my way,
614
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:58,140
especially that fucks with me, to hell
615
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,180
for the simple fact that
they thought they could.
616
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:07,650
What I am being as what I am,
617
00:33:07,670 --> 00:33:10,690
one of a kind,
618
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:15,320
a motherfucker stone-cold killer.
619
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:21,570
I'll pass my witness, Your Honor.
620
00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:27,820
I don't think it's morning
where you are, but good morning.
621
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,080
Now, the State is making a
big deal out of this email
622
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,720
they just read.
623
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:36,670
Did you know Christopher liked poetry?
624
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,470
I found out later.
625
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:42,270
But you're not surprised by
his... his flowery language.
626
00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:44,410
I mean, he sent emails
like that one quite often,
627
00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:45,680
- didn't he?
- Yes.
628
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:49,230
Do you think Dr. Duntsch
was a cold-blooded killer?
629
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:50,680
No.
630
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:53,740
Now, it's no secret that
you and Dr. Duntsch
631
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,520
had an intimate relationship.
632
00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:58,500
We know that involves sex,
633
00:33:58,530 --> 00:34:01,240
but was there an emotional element?
634
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:04,440
- Meaning?
- Well, among the people in his life,
635
00:34:04,460 --> 00:34:06,870
based on everything you saw
636
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:09,540
working with him day in and day out,
637
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,910
sleeping with him,
638
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,060
you thought you were pretty close?
639
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,290
I thought so.
640
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:19,380
Close enough that perhaps you didn't
allow yourself to see the truth?
641
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,670
The truth?
642
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,770
About his abilities.
643
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:25,300
I don't understand.
644
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,890
Was he a good surgeon?
645
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:31,800
That's outside my area of expertise.
646
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:34,060
You were in his office.
You were in the O.R.
647
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,650
You don't have a professional opinion?
648
00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:36,940
No.
649
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,820
Okay, well, after Shelley Brennan,
650
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,080
did you ever work with
Dr. Duntsch again?
651
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:43,610
- No.
- Why not?
652
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:47,660
I didn't wanna be in that
environment anymore.
653
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,160
That environment? What environment?
654
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:58,820
Unhealthy, you know?
655
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,880
You mean the environment
in which patients
656
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:02,260
were being maimed and killed?
657
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,180
- Objection.
- Sustained.
658
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,930
Just one more question.
659
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:10,970
If you believed that Dr. Duntsch
wanted to hurt patients,
660
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:13,320
you certainly would go and
tell somebody about that,
661
00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:14,600
wouldn't you?
662
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,820
Yes, ma'am.
663
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,250
Pass the witness.
664
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:30,630
Stay safe, Ms. Morgan,
wherever you've gone.
665
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:48,050
How are you feeling?
666
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,190
If they ask me questions
about Duntsch's training,
667
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:55,600
I can't promise you
what I'm going to say.
668
00:35:57,810 --> 00:35:59,650
Yeah.
669
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,530
If we can't present our entire case,
670
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:06,950
the good, bad, everything,
671
00:36:06,970 --> 00:36:09,790
if we can't lay it all
out and still win,
672
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,670
then we shouldn't win.
673
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:16,740
- You take that call.
- Hey, Ma. Hang on a sec.
674
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,130
Dr. Henderson.
675
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:23,960
If they ask, answer how you want.
676
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,280
Thank you.
677
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,720
Yeah, I'm here.
678
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,380
We asked you here to give your opinion
679
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,540
on four different cases
the defendant performed.
680
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:06,210
What surgery did the defendant
recommend for Jerry Summers?
681
00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:11,390
An anterior cervical
fusion at C3-4 and C4-5.
682
00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:13,920
What was the outcome of
Mr. Summer's surgery?
683
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:16,640
He was rendered a quadriplegic.
684
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,190
Would you walk us through it?
685
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:21,810
There was a lot of bleeding.
686
00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:23,560
- Suction.
- Suction.
687
00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:26,820
Sponge. Give me a sponge.
688
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:31,490
How many CCs were lost?
689
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,790
A typical loss is somewhere
between 25 and 200 CCs.
690
00:37:36,810 --> 00:37:40,120
Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs.
691
00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:43,420
What accounts for that
amount of blood loss?
692
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,540
Injuring a major structure.
693
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,620
Pituitary.
694
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,900
He removed the disc from C3-4 and
C4-5, as he was supposed to do,
695
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,550
and then he removed a tremendous
amount of bone on the left side.
696
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:59,770
Over a third of the vertebral body.
697
00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:03,270
And in doing so, he lacerated
the vertebral artery.
698
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,900
The defendant chose to go
back in for a second surgery.
699
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,660
What procedure did he perform?
700
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,200
Double action.
701
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:19,130
A laminectomy in order to
relieve pressure on the spine.
702
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:21,160
But by removing excessive bone
703
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:23,260
from both the front and the back,
704
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,140
you're compromising
the entire structure.
705
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,710
In layman's terms?
706
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,970
His head was barely
attached to his spine.
707
00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:38,390
Let's move on to Shelley Brennan.
708
00:38:38,410 --> 00:38:40,860
The surgery Duntsch recommended,
709
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,270
was that a surgery that
would fix her issue?
710
00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:44,480
Yes.
711
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,800
What was the outcome of
Mrs. Brennan's operation?
712
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:48,860
She died.
713
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:51,860
Is that normal for this
type of procedure?
714
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,230
Mortalities are less than 1 in 10,000.
715
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,900
The pituitary rongeur went through
the ligament in the front
716
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,080
and lacerated the iliac vessels
717
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,040
that lie directly on the side.
718
00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:07,400
- So Mrs. Brennan was bleeding?
- Heavily.
719
00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:11,350
Would there have been blood
visible in the operative site?
720
00:39:11,370 --> 00:39:12,670
Sometimes, yes.
721
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:14,880
It doesn't appear to have
been the case here,
722
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:17,430
but they should have noticed
a drop in her blood pressure.
723
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:22,060
Should a neurosurgeon know
that a drop in blood pressure
724
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,930
means there's a bleed somewhere?
725
00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:27,350
It's a fundamental rule,
726
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:31,780
but the likelihood of them being
able to address the issue is small.
727
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,820
They'd call in a vascular
surgeon for assistance.
728
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,530
But he didn't do that.
729
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:41,540
No.
730
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:44,280
Dorothy Burke.
731
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,630
Mrs. Burke had a previous
anterior cervical fusion
732
00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:52,640
at C5-6 and C6-7 that resolved
her symptoms for a time,
733
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:55,190
but she began experiencing
neck and shoulder pain
734
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:57,960
that had nothing to do
with her prior surgery.
735
00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:01,720
Dr. Duntsch diagnosed a
disc protrusion at C4-5
736
00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:05,270
and a disc extrusion at the C7 T1 level.
737
00:40:05,290 --> 00:40:09,860
He sliced through the
vertebral artery again.
738
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:19,800
We've been talking a lot
about the vertebral artery.
739
00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:22,490
Is it common for it to
be hit during surgery?
740
00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:23,900
Exceptionally rare.
741
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,960
- How many times have you hit it?
- Never.
742
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:29,290
And what happened to Mrs.
Burke after her surgery?
743
00:40:29,310 --> 00:40:32,880
Her heart rate elevated.
She couldn't open her eyes.
744
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:36,470
No verbal response to
questioning or commands.
745
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:41,180
And what does that indicate to
anyone in the medical field?
746
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,140
An impending disaster.
747
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,730
What should Mr. Duntsch have done
748
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:48,500
as soon as he was informed
of that information?
749
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,900
Physically examine the patient.
750
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,300
Order appropriate studies. Scans.
751
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,760
They were ordered by the ICU physician,
752
00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:57,780
which showed she was brain dead.
753
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,160
Where was Dr. Duntsch?
754
00:41:05,180 --> 00:41:07,250
He was operating on Madeline Beyer.
755
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:10,380
Had the defendant focused
on Dorothy Burke
756
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,920
rather than Madeline Beyer,
757
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:13,840
would she still be alive today?
758
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:15,300
Based on what I know
759
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,080
of Dr. Duntsch's approach to surgery,
760
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,850
Mrs. Burke was dead the moment
she agreed for him to operate.
761
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:21,220
Objection.
762
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,580
Sustained.
763
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:26,980
Madeline Beyer?
764
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,980
Mrs. Beyer is the reason
I'm sitting here today.
765
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:34,820
I... I tried to fix her.
766
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,880
One of the screws was
violating the spinal canal,
767
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:41,030
damaging dura and nerve roots.
768
00:41:41,050 --> 00:41:43,160
How do you know when
you've hit the dura?
769
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:45,660
Cerebral spinal fluid leaks out.
770
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,910
I found evidence of three
attempted screw placements
771
00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:52,580
on the left side where he put no screws.
772
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:56,970
The most disturbing part was,
773
00:41:56,990 --> 00:42:00,140
the entire reason he was operating
774
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,640
was to remove the disc,
and he didn't touch it.
775
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:05,350
What did he take out?
776
00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:08,600
A large piece of the psoas muscle.
777
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:11,230
He made a portal through that muscle
778
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:13,780
and stuffed an implant in there.
779
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:15,360
Cage.
780
00:42:15,380 --> 00:42:17,080
Is a trained neurosurgeon
781
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:21,150
going to know the difference
between bone and muscle?
782
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,790
- Yes.
- Mallet.
783
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:24,660
Would a trained neurosurgeon know
784
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,670
that by malpositioning
the interbody device,
785
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,250
he was reasonably certain
to cause her injury?
786
00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:32,940
- Yes.
- Would a trained neurosurgeon
787
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,670
have been aware that if he
malpositioned the pedicle screws,
788
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:40,420
he was reasonably certain to
cause her serious bodily injury?
789
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,890
Yes.
790
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:44,840
Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
791
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:47,040
that if he amputated the nerve root,
792
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:50,640
he was reasonably certain to
cause her serious bodily injury?
793
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:54,440
- Yes.
- The way the surgical tools were used
794
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:56,030
in Madeline Beyer's case,
795
00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:58,180
do you think they were used in a manner
796
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,190
that was capable of causing
death or serious bodily injury?
797
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:07,200
Yes.
798
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,940
We pass the witness.
799
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,080
Dr. Henderson, Ms. Shughart
made quite the point
800
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:22,680
that a trained neurosurgeon
801
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,800
should have done this or done that.
802
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:29,020
You're aware Christopher
has both an MD and a PhD
803
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,890
- from the University of Tennessee.
- I am.
804
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:35,940
UT isn't some fly-by-night
medical school.
805
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:37,450
It's not like one of those in...
806
00:43:37,470 --> 00:43:39,860
in Guadalajara or Granada, is it?
807
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,960
No, it's in Memphis.
808
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:45,200
Do you know Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
809
00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:48,670
- Does he have a good reputation?
- I do, and he does.
810
00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:50,580
And what was he responsible for
811
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,490
in Christopher Duntsch's training?
812
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:56,130
After Dr. Duntsch finished
his residency at UT,
813
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:59,080
he came under the
tutelage of Dr. Skadden
814
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,320
for a fellowship training
815
00:44:00,340 --> 00:44:02,840
in minimally invasive spine surgery.
816
00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:05,180
Were you familiar with
the fact that Dr. Duntsch
817
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,040
was doing medical cancer
research on the side
818
00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:10,970
and that Dr. Skadden was
involved in that research?
819
00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:12,560
I wasn't at the time, no.
820
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:16,150
Should any doctor under
any circumstances
821
00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:20,610
have their surgical training
hours disrupted by research?
822
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:21,820
Absolutely not.
823
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,980
So a neurosurgical resident or fellow
824
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,280
can't just skip those hours.
825
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:29,860
The supervisor has to sign
off, no matter the excuse.
826
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:30,880
Correct.
827
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:32,740
Do the doctors in charge of the program
828
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,000
have to sign off that they're qualified
829
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:36,930
- to go and operate?
- Yes.
830
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:40,340
Did Dr. Skadden write
letters of recommendation
831
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,470
for Dr. Duntsch?
832
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,200
Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch
was a satisfactory surgeon
833
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:46,590
in his fellowship.
834
00:44:46,610 --> 00:44:49,890
Well, had Dr. Skadden heard
what was happening in Texas?
835
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:53,380
Yes, because he had mentioned
poor outcomes at Baylor
836
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,230
when filling out a credentialing
form at Forest Park.
837
00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:57,340
Do you have any idea
838
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,940
why he wouldn't have explicitly
told these hospitals
839
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,030
not to hire Dr. Duntsch?
840
00:45:02,050 --> 00:45:04,830
Dr. Skadden said that he had
to write recommendations
841
00:45:04,850 --> 00:45:07,570
based on what he'd
witnessed in his program.
842
00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:10,490
He couldn't speak to whatever
was happening in Texas.
843
00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:12,240
He didn't write any more recommendations
844
00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:13,990
for Mr. Duntsch after we spoke.
845
00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:17,130
Has there ever been an instance
846
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:21,710
in which a doctor was sued for
not writing a recommendation?
847
00:45:21,730 --> 00:45:24,010
Yes.
848
00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:26,220
Well, that's frightening, is it not?
849
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,960
It is to me.
850
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:30,730
So Skadden had to sign off on him,
851
00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:33,180
or he wouldn't have been able
to get their credentials?
852
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,220
Correct.
853
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,070
I mean, Baylor wouldn't let somebody
just walk in off the street,
854
00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:39,440
- start doing neurosurgery.
- Well, I also assumed
855
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:41,900
they would have reported the
outcomes of his surgeries
856
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,150
to the authorities.
857
00:45:43,170 --> 00:45:44,640
As a matter of fact,
858
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:49,100
they didn't say anything
negative to anybody.
859
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,570
Neurosurgery is a big moneymaker.
860
00:45:53,590 --> 00:45:56,480
Do you think the corporate
level of the hospital
861
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,260
was more interested in making money
862
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,540
than in protecting their patients?
863
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,690
Yes, I do.
864
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:17,150
I think everyone was more
interested in making money
865
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:18,900
and protecting themselves
866
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,440
rather than protecting their patients.
867
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,140
Thank you for the truth, Dr. Henderson.
868
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,520
No more questions.
869
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:33,560
I'd like to add something.
870
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:37,080
Redirect.
871
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:38,700
Anything you'd like to add?
872
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,940
Everyone knows the first tenet
873
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,500
of the Hippocratic Oath,
"First, do no harm".
874
00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:51,510
But there are others.
875
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:54,940
"I will respect the
hard-won scientific gains
876
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,060
of the physicians in whose
steps I've walked."
877
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,100
He did not.
878
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,280
"I will apply, for the
benefit of the sick,
879
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:05,280
"all majors which are required,
880
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:09,080
"avoiding those twin
traps of overtreatment
881
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:11,150
and therapeutic nihilism."
882
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,950
He did not.
883
00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:15,710
"I will not be ashamed
to say I know not,
884
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:18,240
"nor will I fail to call
them my colleagues
885
00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:20,750
"when the skills of another are needed
886
00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:22,680
for a patient's recovery."
887
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,460
He did not.
888
00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:32,350
Had I performed any of the 33 surgeries
889
00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:34,130
in the manner that he performed them,
890
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:36,350
I never would have allowed myself
891
00:47:36,370 --> 00:47:39,300
into an operating room again.
892
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:42,140
Any one of them.
893
00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:46,300
Not ever again.
894
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:02,900
The State flooded you
895
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,860
with every possible patient they could,
896
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,760
but Madeline Beyer's case
is the case the State chose
897
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:12,750
to go to trial on, so let's focus there.
898
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:14,560
Now, according to the state,
899
00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:18,980
Dr. Duntsch didn't head into Madeline
Beyer's surgery to fix her...
900
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,010
he wanted to hurt her...
901
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:23,520
but that's not what the evidence shows.
902
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:29,860
The evidence shows he
was a suboptimal surgeon.
903
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,420
Now, are we trying to
blame the hospitals?
904
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,950
No. Are we trying to blame Dr. Skadden?
905
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:37,530
No, but the State asked
time and time again,
906
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:41,710
what would a well-trained surgeon do?
907
00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:43,620
I mean, what did Dr. Henderson tell you?
908
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,150
He got on the phone, called Skadden,
909
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:48,090
and said, "Hey, we got this guy here.
910
00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:50,980
"It says he graduated
from your medical school,
911
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,380
"went to your fellowship,
912
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,060
and I need you to stop
recommending him."
913
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,840
And Skadden replied, "Yes, he
did train at my fellowship.
914
00:48:59,860 --> 00:49:02,690
But I don't know what to do."
915
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:04,980
Because Skadden has figured out,
916
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,100
"I screwed up. I let him out."
917
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,760
I mean, Jerry Summers told you,
918
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:14,820
he let him out of surgeries
in order to do research.
919
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,400
Now, you don't get to
punish Dr. Skadden.
920
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:20,480
You don't get to punish Baylor.
921
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,530
You don't get to punish Dallas Medical,
922
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:25,950
but you have the right to
know what they didn't do.
923
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:29,170
They didn't report him.
924
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:30,920
They didn't challenge him.
925
00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:32,470
They didn't tell him
926
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,960
that he was a suboptimal surgeon
927
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:37,460
who needs to find other work.
928
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,050
If you're a teacher and
the children don't do well,
929
00:49:41,070 --> 00:49:44,930
your principal tells you
you're a suboptimal teacher.
930
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:46,730
If you're a mechanic
931
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:49,000
and the cars you're working
on keep breaking down,
932
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:51,900
you're told you're a
suboptimal mechanic.
933
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,200
If you're a pilot and you can't land,
934
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,820
well, you're told you
can't do this anymore.
935
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,620
Well, Baylor does the opposite.
936
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,660
They allow him to resign.
937
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,670
And then they send a clearing
letter to Dallas Medical,
938
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:11,090
who hires him and then watches
939
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:14,220
as three surgeries in
as many days go bad.
940
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,850
And what do they do? Nothing.
941
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:20,500
They don't report him
942
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,270
to the National Practitioner's Data Bank
943
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:25,020
or the Texas Medical Board.
944
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:31,530
They allow this poorly-trained
suboptimal surgeon to move on.
945
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:37,280
The system broke down
from the very beginning.
946
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,610
Now, I don't envy your jobs.
947
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:43,720
Both sides have their own perceptions
948
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:45,720
of... of what happened,
949
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:49,080
but you're the sole judges of the facts.
950
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:52,360
Render your verdict
according to the law,
951
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:54,090
not according to emotions
952
00:50:54,110 --> 00:50:56,880
or sympathies or sending a message.
953
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:59,640
It's about whether or not
the State has proven to you
954
00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:02,760
that a crime was committed.
955
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:06,390
It was a failure.
956
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,310
It was a human failure,
957
00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:16,160
a systemic failure,
958
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:18,140
but it wasn't a crime.
959
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,450
On July 25th, 2012,
960
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:27,000
Christopher Duntsch went into
surgery with Madeline Beyer,
961
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:28,780
an elderly individual.
962
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,160
He crippled her.
963
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:35,210
Pedicle screws, drilled and redrilled.
964
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:39,590
Nerves shredded. Leaking dural sacs.
965
00:51:39,610 --> 00:51:42,090
Muscles hacked into.
966
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:44,520
These things happened.
967
00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:48,000
But was it intentional?
968
00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:50,060
How do you know what he intended?
969
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:56,880
You look at what he does
before, during, and after.
970
00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:00,500
He lied, about "this is normal pain."
971
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,740
"This is something new.
972
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,030
"I didn't do this to you.
973
00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:07,240
"It's simply swelling, Jerry.
974
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:09,780
"Surgery went fine, Madeline.
975
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,130
"It's the surgical team's fault.
976
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:17,120
Your wives are dead, Earl, Harold."
977
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:21,340
Look at them.
978
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:26,960
Look at the faces of the
lives that were ruined.
979
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:29,960
We didn't bring them to
you to have you convict him
980
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:32,100
based on sympathy.
981
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,040
We bring them to you
so that you can know
982
00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:37,680
everything the defendant knew.
983
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,880
How many patients should it take
984
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:44,660
before you know that what
you're doing is hurting people?
985
00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:53,540
One, two, three?
986
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,290
You make your best
friend a quadriplegic?
987
00:52:57,310 --> 00:53:02,120
Four, you kill? Five, you kill?
988
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:04,380
Should I list all 33?
989
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,720
I want to call them tragedies,
990
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:11,850
but that implies no one
could have seen them coming.
991
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:15,440
These were assaults.
992
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:19,320
We're here talking about Madeline Beyer.
993
00:53:19,340 --> 00:53:21,180
I know you don't have a doubt
994
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,940
that when Christopher Duntsch went
into Madeline Beyer's surgery,
995
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,070
he was reasonably certain
he was going to hurt her.
996
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,790
That's the standard of knowing.
997
00:53:31,810 --> 00:53:35,080
Not that you know 100%,
998
00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:38,240
but that you're reasonably certain.
999
00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:42,540
The defense is implying
it was his training.
1000
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,100
He was trained for 17 years
1001
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,780
prior to operating on Mrs. Beyer.
1002
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,090
Trained at the University of Tennessee.
1003
00:53:50,110 --> 00:53:52,240
Trained at Semmes-Murphey.
1004
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:54,100
Institutions with doctors
1005
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,320
who would not put their
reputations on the line
1006
00:53:57,340 --> 00:54:00,440
by recommending a
poorly trained surgeon.
1007
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:07,140
Don't blame his training.
1008
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,820
Blame him.
1009
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,080
Don't blame the system.
1010
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:12,700
Blame him.
1011
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:17,000
He went into all those operations.
1012
00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:21,160
He put the scalpels to
those patients' backs.
1013
00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:25,100
He kept going.
1014
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,200
All these people.
1015
00:54:28,540 --> 00:54:32,320
If you're a human who values life,
1016
00:54:32,350 --> 00:54:35,770
who understands suffering...
1017
00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:38,160
You heard Dr. Henderson.
1018
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:40,810
One botched surgery, just one,
1019
00:54:40,820 --> 00:54:46,190
and he never would have entered
the operating room ever again.
1020
00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:50,140
If you don't stop him,
1021
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,520
Christopher Duntsch will
leave this courthouse,
1022
00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:58,090
leave this city, this state,
1023
00:54:58,110 --> 00:55:01,420
maybe even this country,
1024
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,300
and he will find a corner of the world
1025
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,130
that allows him to
continue hurting people.
1026
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:16,730
Only you can tell him no more.
1027
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,600
They don't understand.
1028
00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:29,770
All I wanna do is go
back to my research.
1029
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,490
You gotta tell 'em, Dad.
1030
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:35,860
I will never practice surgery again.
1031
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,940
If they let me, I can still do good.
1032
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,640
- I can still help.
- Just stop, okay?
1033
00:55:42,670 --> 00:55:44,500
It's time to stop.
1034
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:55,360
We had these hardwood
floors when you were little.
1035
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,960
Active, always active. So energetic.
1036
00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:05,360
You were so strong.
1037
00:56:05,380 --> 00:56:09,040
You would push the furniture
around across these floors.
1038
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,600
You never played with toys.
It was always the furniture.
1039
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:17,330
And how many times did I ask you
1040
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:19,480
to stop it with the furniture?
1041
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:23,370
But you wouldn't stop.
1042
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,440
You wouldn't stop.
1043
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,480
Maybe jail's the best
thing for you, my boy.
1044
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:44,390
You were less dull than
I thought you'd be.
1045
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,770
You're too kind, Randy.
1046
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:53,970
Probably blown the whole
case, but nice job.
1047
00:56:57,570 --> 00:56:59,600
We could have done more.
1048
00:56:59,620 --> 00:57:02,180
We should have done it more.
1049
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,580
This is gonna happen again, you know.
1050
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,050
Suppose we could do something.
1051
00:57:08,070 --> 00:57:09,560
I suppose we should.
1052
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,140
Jury's back.
1053
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,720
All right, well, we got
time for some hoops.
1054
00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:18,280
I wish.
1055
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:19,540
We gonna win?
1056
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,180
I don't know.
1057
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:37,190
I'm sorry.
1058
00:57:39,260 --> 00:57:40,680
You did great.
79408
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