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Steve: Now, I see you're
really starting to feel
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some of the ayahuasca,
because your eyes are dilated.
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Yeah.
I feel weird.
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What would you say to Rachel
that would help her?
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[ Voice breaking ]
"You didn't deserve any of it.
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Hang in there.
It gets a lot better."
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And Rachel knows
all the answers.
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Steve: I've been a lot of things
in my life.
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I've been a bank robber,
and a prisoner.
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But being a shaman
is my calling.
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Ayahuasca is
a Schedule 1 narcotic ‐‐
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the same as heroin and LSD ‐‐
but it's not a drug.
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It's medicine.
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And in my church,
it's a sacrament.
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We can do in 2 days
what conventional therapy
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may take years to do,
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but only if you are willing
to step into the pain.
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I chose to offer ayahuasca
in Kentucky.
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It would have been much easier
to do it in LA, New York,
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but I chose right here
in a bright red state
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with a conservative
Christian base
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because these people
need it the most.
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What's going on in Kentucky
I take very personally.
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Many cities in this country
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have a higher population
than my entire state,
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and we are among
the top 10 states
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with the highest
opiate‐related deaths.
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Deaths from
opioid overdoses
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have more than quadrupled
since 1999.
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Some of the most
severe devastation
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has been right here
in Kentucky.
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As a medicine person
and shaman,
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I'm sitting here talking to
people ‐‐ soldiers, military,
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you know, all kinds
of strong people, who...
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They can't get rid of this,
you know?
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It is beating them.
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It is taking everything
from them ‐‐ everything ‐
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and I couldn't understand
how opiates
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gripped these people so hard.
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You know, it's real easy
for me to go,
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"Just say no,"
when I don't understand.
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So, the only way
I could understand was,
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I had to go get addicted.
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And that's what I did.
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I went and bought
a bunch of Percocets
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through street suppliers,
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and I started off with two
in the evening and a drink.
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And I'm going to tell you,
it felt damn ... good.
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I ain't gonna lie.
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I had a fine time.
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Then, the next night,
you know what?
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I ate three.
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And that went on
for weeks,
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and I'm increasing
the dosages as I'm going.
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And as I get to the end
of my 30‐day little trial,
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I'm up to six pills a day.
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I'm drinking
right with them,
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I'm staying stoned
all day long.
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And then, I'm stopped.
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And I stopped cold‐turkey.
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And I'm gonna tell you,
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I went through the physical
withdrawals for 2 weeks,
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and they were brutal.
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You had diarrhea.
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Sometimes,
your brain would wake you up
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in the middle of the night
with fake pains,
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and the first thought
in your mind was,
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"Just eat a Percocet,
and it'll all go away,
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and you'll go
back to sleep."
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Your brain turned
into your enemy.
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Your brain started trying
to get you back on the pills
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because it enjoyed it
so deeply.
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And there's a spirit to it
that whispers to you,
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that tells you,
"Come on. You can do it.
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You know,
just take another one."
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And that's when I realized
it's a disease,
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and I've got to view it
as a disease.
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I then,
I done some ayahuasca,
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and she lifted it
totally away from me.
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Mother Aya relieved a lot
of my withdrawal symptoms
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in one journey,
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but it still
almost whipped my ass.
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And from that day forth,
I have compassion for them.
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Opiate addicts, they're facing
something that is deep,
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hard to deal with,
and hard to come back from.
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But it's possible.
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Angela: My dad made my life hell
for most of my life,
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and I've been dealing with that
for quite a while.
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I have never done
an ayahuasca ceremony before.
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If it could cure my complex
post‐traumatic stress disorder,
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then I will be
very, very happy.
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Complex post‐traumatic
stress disorder
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is essentially
post‐traumatic stress disorder,
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but for people who have been
experiencing a trauma
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for a very long
period of time.
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You don't want to be there.
Your brain knows this,
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and it will do whatever it can
to get you out,
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even if you, yourself,
the body, can't.
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A symptom of complex
post‐traumatic stress disorder
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is, essentially,
that I'm kind of off
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from how I feel
and what I think.
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My number‐one priority coming
to Aya Quest is to feel again.
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Even if it's a bad trip, it
would be nice to feel something.
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♪♪
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Kevin: For the first time
in my life,
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I have somebody that has my back
and loves me,
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but he is not aware
that I'm using heroin.
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Drug abuse is something
that you learn to lie about,
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and that's where I've been
for a long time.
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After a while, you start to
lose track of all the lies
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that you've told.
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Oh, good, there's tissues.
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The last time that I used heroin
was 2 days ago.
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The initial onset
of the withdrawals
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have started
to kick in,
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so I used an opioid
pill yesterday
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just to get through it.
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It's important for me
to get clean
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so that I can experience love
and be able to honestly be there
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for the people
that I care about.
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Teri: Well, now that we have
everyone here,
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the first thing
I will have you all do
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is go over
your applications for me.
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Please make sure that
you have not neglected
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to tell us anything,
you know?
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If you have taken anything
within the last 24 hours,
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I really need to know.
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Our primary concern
is keeping you safe.
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Thank you.
‐You're welcome.
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So, when was the last time
that you took anything?
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Kevin:
Um, about 4 days ago.
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I had a little bit
of a relapse.
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What was it that you took
a few days ago, sweetie?
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I took a little bit
of heroin.
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That's all it was?
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That's all it was.
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All right. Um...
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you should be all right.
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You know,
heroin a couple of days
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before a ceremony
is not a concern,
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because it's gonna be
out of his system.
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Pharmaceuticals
are a different story,
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because some of those can last
much longer in the body.
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The combination of ayahuasca
and prescription drugs
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can be deadly.
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All right.
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So, if you all would like to
grab your bags and follow me.
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I wasn't honest
because I didn't want to be
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kicked out of the ceremony,
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and partly because I've been
lying about it for so long,
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it's just
a natural thing to do.
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So, here is where you all
are gonna be staying
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for the next
couple of days.
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Go ahead and
find you a bed.
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Teri: In this group,
we have Kevin from Oklahoma,
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Angela from California,
and we have Tina from Texas.
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I've been diagnosed
with depression, anxiety.
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I think what leads up to
those depressed feelings
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is feeling unworthy.
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I've had a guy
tell me once that,
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"You attract certain guys
because they can tell
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that you're broken."
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My intention here is to,
hopefully, find more love
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for myself,
and more self‐compassion.
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Steve: Hello. My name is
Steve Hupp, Chief Shaman
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of Aya Quest
Native Americas Church,
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and thank you for coming.
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We're looking forward
to working with all of you.
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Mother Aya is
a very real presence,
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so don't approach her
like a vending machine,
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like you're here to put
a quarter in a slot
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and get a treat,
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because that will do nothing
but piss her off.
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We're gonna do
your first dose.
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About 20 minutes after that,
we'll do a second cup.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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[ Sighs ]
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Will it warm up in here?
I'm freezing.
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I think it's because
I haven't eaten.
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Going through withdrawals,
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your body is
going through a lot.
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Right now, this very moment,
I feel awful.
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But in the back of my mind,
I just kept telling myself that,
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"This is what needs to happen.
It's gonna be okay.
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You're fine."
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♪♪
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Ayahuasca is
a hallucinogenic tea
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made with plants
from the Amazon,
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and it is the strongest
psychedelic known to man.
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But this isn't like LSD.
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Ayahuasca is a portal
to your inner self ‐‐
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your subconscious.
And through that portal,
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you're going to meet a goddess
we call Mother Aya.
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When your journey
first takes off,
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you may feel euphoria,
until boom!
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The spike hits,
and the purge begins.
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You may laugh,
you may cry,
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and you may do both
at the same time.
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You may puke or shit.
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But each of those purges
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are a physical manifestation
of an emotional release.
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That's when
you truly find healing.
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I'm not hallucinating
hallucinating,
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but when I look at
the black tablecloth,
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I see, like, symmetry
and kaleidoscope.
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It's like an overlay.
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‐Yeah. That's a beautiful thing.
‐It's a beautiful thing.
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Everything
is beautiful.
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Kevin: I'll need to get up
and walk around occasionally,
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because my back...
‐Mm‐hmm.
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...is jacked up.
So, these chairs are...
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‐Okay.
‐...really making it
uncomfortable.
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Teri: Yeah. I mean, if you want
to stand up and walk around now,
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you're more than
welcome to.
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My entire adult life, I have
kept secrets, lied to my family.
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Growing up in Oklahoma,
my dad was homophobic,
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and I just felt like
he didn't like me
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or want me
if he knew that I was gay.
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It feels very lonely
to keep it to yourself,
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to carry
that secret around.
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Getting into
my early teenage years,
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I started being molested by
somebody who was a grown adult.
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He was 30 years old at the time,
or close to it.
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There was a part of me
that enjoyed it.
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I mean, it was wrong,
it was bad,
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but, you know, physically,
it was pleasurable.
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At that age, I don't think
my brain was developed
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well enough to know how to
process what was happening.
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And I made
some new friends,
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and they introduced me
to methamphetamine, alcohol,
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and I just
dove in headfirst.
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I liked it.
I liked the way that I felt.
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I didn't feel guilty.
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I didn't feel like people
were looking at me funny.
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I didn't feel
self‐conscious.
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I just felt good.
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And in a time in my life
where things weren't so great,
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I found drugs to be
the easiest solution.
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But, you know,
I'm exhausted,
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and I don't want
to do it anymore.
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‐You okay?
‐Yeah.
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There's a lot
going on right now.
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Steve: Anything that he
doesn't want to tell me,
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Mother Aya is gonna
whisper it right in my ear.
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Kevin:
Oh, God. Oh.
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O0 C1
♪♪
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♪♪
249
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‐Are you ready, sweetie?
‐Yes.
250
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All right.
251
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Steve: Kevin is here because of
his addiction to opiates,
252
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which is preventing him
from moving forward
253
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in his relationship
with his partner.
254
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We've set up a montage
of positive gay images.
255
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This photo montage
is gonna help Kevin see
256
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that he doesn't need drugs
to help him cope anymore.
257
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He needs to focus his energy
on what's in front of him,
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which is love.
259
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Before you get going here,
we'd like you to go ahead
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and drink your second cup
of ayahuasca.
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Kevin: Okay.
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Kind of get settled in,
get your water.
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Good job.
Excellent.
264
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Good.
265
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And we kind of set up this
little photo collage for you,
266
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because we kind of wanted you
to get refocused
267
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on what you could
potentially miss out
268
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if we don't really get serious
about this opiate addiction.
269
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Now, looking at
these pictures here, tell me ‐‐
270
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tell me about that picture.
271
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It looks like a real happy you
in that picture.
272
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I was happy.
I was hosting a fund‐raiser
273
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for an organization
that I work with.
274
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It was his first time,
maybe second time to go with me.
275
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But that's who he is.
He's supportive.
276
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Anything that I do, you know,
he's right there next to me.
277
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Sounds like
a phenomenal guy.
278
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He is.
279
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How long have you and him
been together?
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Gonna be 3 years
in October.
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‐Congratulations.
‐Thank you.
282
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Normally,
if I'm not around him,
283
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I'm looking for drugs,
looking for a fix.
284
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I don't think he knows
about the heroin,
285
00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,501
but he knows that
I had a pill problem.
286
00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:39,212
When was the last time
you were happy?
287
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I don't know.
288
00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:47,181
I don't know if I've ever
actually been happy.
289
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I don't know that I ‐‐
I don't know.
290
00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:52,854
It's been so long since I've
even cared about being happy.
291
00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:56,270
I focus on getting
the bills paid.
292
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You focus on getting your drugs,
right now.
293
00:15:00,358 --> 00:15:03,278
At times, you lied to
that guy you loved,
294
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because that's
what addicts do.
295
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That's how we get the money.
That's how we hustle bills.
296
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You okay?
It's all good.
297
00:15:11,661 --> 00:15:13,371
There's a lot going on
right now.
298
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That's all good.
299
00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:20,086
You are worthy and deserving
of finding
300
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that peace free of judgment,
free of all that,
301
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and you can give
that gift to yourself.
302
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...
303
00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,138
‐What's up?
‐The bricks.
304
00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:32,559
I mean, just, everything.
There's so much
going on right now.
305
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That's all good.
That's all good.
306
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I do think I should get back
down the stairs, though.
307
00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:38,229
Okay.
Well, we will...
308
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‐Okay.
‐...go ahead and move
you back downstairs...
309
00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:42,728
‐Let's do it now.
‐...right now.
310
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Sitting there
talking with Kevin,
311
00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:46,449
I kind of got the feeling
he wasn't giving me
312
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the whole truth.
313
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But when you're dealing with
an addict, that's normal.
314
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Consciously,
while he's trying to evade,
315
00:15:52,910 --> 00:15:54,410
Mother is working
through him right now,
316
00:15:54,412 --> 00:15:56,582
and there's no evading her.
317
00:15:56,581 --> 00:15:59,961
I know Mother Aya
is the real truth serum,
318
00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:02,709
and anything that he
doesn't want to tell me,
319
00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,842
Mother Aya is gonna
whisper it right in my ear.
320
00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:11,927
[ Laughs ]
321
00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:19,194
♪♪
322
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Teri:
My first impression of Angela ‐‐
She was incredibly child‐like.
323
00:16:24,275 --> 00:16:26,485
Most of the people
that come in have had,
324
00:16:26,485 --> 00:16:29,405
you know, stuffed animals
of some sort,
325
00:16:29,405 --> 00:16:33,155
but she brings in
a big baby doll.
326
00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,539
To me, it's indicative of
abuse as a child,
327
00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:39,037
because that baby doll
becomes her security blanket.
328
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,120
That's her safe place.
329
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,090
Angela: When I had that first
cup of ayahuasca,
330
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I just felt
a sense of serenity.
331
00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:51,217
I was feeling pretty relaxed
for the first time
332
00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:53,299
in a very long time,
333
00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:56,524
as someone who is not exactly
prone to relaxation.
334
00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:03,311
When I was 11,
my mom and dad were arguing,
335
00:17:03,314 --> 00:17:05,864
and he ended up
running across the room
336
00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,818
and punching her in the nose,
which broke her nose,
337
00:17:07,818 --> 00:17:10,028
and she flew into
the sliding glass wall.
338
00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:14,079
And I just stopped
existing, as in ‐‐
339
00:17:14,075 --> 00:17:16,285
I just wasn't there anymore,
and I wasn't...
340
00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:20,918
I didn't have to be there
in my head.
341
00:17:23,292 --> 00:17:25,502
One time,
my dad was just like,
342
00:17:25,503 --> 00:17:28,263
"Angela" ‐‐ like,
he said in Chinese, like,
343
00:17:28,256 --> 00:17:30,676
"You should kill yourself,
so I don't have to kill you,
344
00:17:30,675 --> 00:17:33,755
and I wouldn't have to
go to jail."
345
00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:36,101
I was hit a lot,
but it didn't traumatize me
346
00:17:36,097 --> 00:17:38,847
as much as being afraid
my mom would die,
347
00:17:38,849 --> 00:17:40,979
because I loved her
the most.
348
00:17:40,977 --> 00:17:44,227
Like, she was my best friend.
349
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,476
The one thing I want
is my mom alive.
350
00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:51,994
Like, that's literally all
I really want in life. Like...
351
00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:55,868
And it's kind of sucky, because
everything life gave at the time
352
00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:57,866
was threatening
to take her away.
353
00:18:02,873 --> 00:18:11,343
♪♪
354
00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:13,880
Walter: If you want to go
outside on this back patio
355
00:18:13,884 --> 00:18:15,344
for a second, we can.
356
00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:18,264
[ Whispering ]
357
00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:25,515
I noticed you're having
some withdrawal symptoms.
358
00:18:25,521 --> 00:18:27,111
Are you okay?
359
00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:28,896
Kevin: Yeah.
360
00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:30,819
Do you relapse?
361
00:18:30,818 --> 00:18:33,608
I'm not doing heroin anymore,
but I'm popping pills...
362
00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:35,163
Right.
363
00:18:35,156 --> 00:18:37,026
...to keep from going
through the withdrawals.
364
00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:40,953
I've fought that battle myself,
so I know what it's about.
365
00:18:40,953 --> 00:18:43,623
So, when is the last time
you used?
366
00:18:43,623 --> 00:18:45,293
Yesterday.
Yesterday.
367
00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:46,501
Yeah.
368
00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:50,165
Oh.
369
00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,343
Let me go back in.
I'm tired.
370
00:18:56,344 --> 00:18:59,974
♪♪
371
00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:05,768
♪♪
372
00:19:08,397 --> 00:19:13,187
I just wanted to see how honest
he was willing to get.
373
00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:17,324
He's been using pills.
374
00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:18,663
Teri: I don't like
the fact that Kevin
375
00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,868
has prescription drugs
in his system.
376
00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:24,328
You know, we're responsible for
his safety and well‐being,
377
00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:27,500
and he is in
full‐blown withdrawal.
378
00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,920
He's got ayahuasca
running all through him.
379
00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:33,299
He's putting us
in a really bad spot here,
380
00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:37,587
and putting himself in
a very dangerous situation.
381
00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:38,893
Ugh.
382
00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:42,516
♪♪
383
00:19:47,061 --> 00:19:50,731
♪♪
384
00:19:55,236 --> 00:19:56,526
Oh.
385
00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:05,504
Ugh. Oh!
386
00:20:05,496 --> 00:20:09,786
Ugh! Ah.
387
00:20:09,792 --> 00:20:11,252
Oh.
388
00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:13,342
Ugh. Ugh.
389
00:20:13,337 --> 00:20:16,047
When Kevin revealed to Walter
that he had taken an opiate
390
00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:18,218
the day before
our ceremony,
391
00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,427
I've got to be honest
with you ‐‐ it scared me.
392
00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:26,425
Ayahuasca and opiates
can be a deadly combination.
393
00:20:26,434 --> 00:20:28,524
I don't know
what opiate he ate.
394
00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:30,689
So, now, I've got
to shift from shaman,
395
00:20:30,688 --> 00:20:32,568
and I've got to tell
my medicine people
396
00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:35,435
we're not so concerned with him
spiritually, at the moment,
397
00:20:35,443 --> 00:20:38,403
as we need to be observant
for his physical safety.
398
00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:42,371
Teri:
Just breathe.
399
00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:43,986
Oh.
400
00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:46,253
When was the last time
you used opiates?
401
00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:48,785
Teri: If you're not
being honest with us,
402
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:50,579
you're kind of
tying our hands.
403
00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:51,333
I understand.
404
00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:59,803
O
♪♪
405
00:21:01,969 --> 00:21:07,429
♪♪
406
00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:13,613
Angela:
Today, I'm feeling really tired,
really relaxed, really peaceful.
407
00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:17,146
I brought Rachel because
she is my one and only baby.
408
00:21:17,151 --> 00:21:20,241
Rachel has been through
a lot with me.
409
00:21:20,237 --> 00:21:22,697
I remember primarily
why I played with Rachel
410
00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,658
as a kid was, like,
she barely talked.
411
00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:28,539
The only thing she said
was almost repeatedly, like,
412
00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:30,117
"I love you, Mommy."
413
00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,042
Because it was nice
to be reassured that,
414
00:21:32,041 --> 00:21:35,251
you know,
she did love me.
415
00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:37,632
To me, she is real,
because I love her.
416
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,630
And when I love someone,
that's when I realize,
417
00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,882
"Hey, like,
they are as real
418
00:21:41,884 --> 00:21:44,894
and as precious
as my experiences are."
419
00:21:44,887 --> 00:21:46,967
And I really let that go,
now, can I?
420
00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:48,722
[ chuckles ]
421
00:21:48,724 --> 00:21:51,444
Mm.
422
00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:55,185
♪♪
423
00:21:58,067 --> 00:22:04,317
Tina:
I am feeling very relaxed and
still very open from last night.
424
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,543
I feel a little more comforted,
even in the little
425
00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:10,905
space and time that I did have
with the medicine.
426
00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:15,249
I was loved as a child.
427
00:22:15,251 --> 00:22:20,051
I had a very good upbringing,
and a sense of being cared for.
428
00:22:20,047 --> 00:22:22,047
However, early on
in my childhood,
429
00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:26,929
there was the sexual abuse
that occurred when I was 3.
430
00:22:26,929 --> 00:22:32,229
The man who did it also abused
my sister and my mother.
431
00:22:32,226 --> 00:22:35,266
We went to the police,
and they didn't believe us.
432
00:22:35,271 --> 00:22:37,271
We actually went
to the hospital,
433
00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:40,823
and I remember the doctor, like,
blowing bubbles to distract me,
434
00:22:40,818 --> 00:22:43,448
and I was way too young
for things
435
00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:45,195
to be going on
down in that area.
436
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:49,027
And that, unfortunately,
wasn't proof enough.
437
00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:52,754
My mom's broken nose
wasn't proof.
438
00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:55,366
I feel, because authorities
didn't believe us,
439
00:22:55,374 --> 00:23:00,424
I would question, "Am I safe?"
or like, "Who do you depend on?"
440
00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:03,801
And, uh, definitely caused
some trauma years after,
441
00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:06,929
and, I would say,
still, today.
442
00:23:06,927 --> 00:23:09,097
What I'm looking forward to most
after this
443
00:23:09,096 --> 00:23:12,056
is rewiring my brain
444
00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:15,227
to be able to have a different
perspective on things
445
00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:17,147
that have happened
in my past.
446
00:23:17,146 --> 00:23:20,816
♪♪
447
00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:26,112
♪♪
448
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:28,283
I try to trust everybody
that sits down
449
00:23:28,282 --> 00:23:30,742
in that table one time.
450
00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:32,833
I give them
my trust first,
451
00:23:32,828 --> 00:23:35,538
and it's up to them
with what they do with it.
452
00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:39,079
But that doesn't mean that I'm
stuck on stupid, or my team is.
453
00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:42,344
We're listening to every word
you're saying.
454
00:23:42,338 --> 00:23:45,718
And that's why we had to stop
and hold Kevin accountable.
455
00:23:45,716 --> 00:23:47,376
You didn't tell anybody
the truth,
456
00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,764
and then, you tried to
manipulate your way through.
457
00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:52,142
You were hustling,
and Mother Aya
458
00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:54,809
was kicking your ass
all over the corner.
459
00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:57,598
And I'm not sure
you can take another night
460
00:23:57,603 --> 00:23:59,983
with Mother Aya
in the ring.
461
00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:01,110
Please, have a seat.
462
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:08,163
Last night, I observed you
going through
463
00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,065
some really rough purges.
464
00:24:10,074 --> 00:24:12,284
‐Mm‐hmm.
‐I mean, some really intense...
465
00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:13,794
‐To say the least.
‐...withdrawals.
466
00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:16,536
‐Mm‐hmm.
‐Would that be a correct word?
467
00:24:16,538 --> 00:24:18,208
Maybe an understatement.
468
00:24:18,207 --> 00:24:20,127
‐Okay.
‐It was a rough night.
469
00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:21,835
How do you feel today?
470
00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:23,245
The aches,
the pains are gone.
471
00:24:23,253 --> 00:24:25,633
I'm still having some
cramping going on.
472
00:24:25,631 --> 00:24:28,681
I'm hoping tonight is a night
where I can, you know,
473
00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:31,846
have the gentle hug or whatever.
But I'll take whatever I get.
474
00:24:31,845 --> 00:24:33,425
Okay.
Let me ask you ‐‐
475
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:35,310
When was the last time
you used opiates?
476
00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:39,645
We're not here
to judge you.
477
00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:43,685
We're here to help you. But if
you're not being honest with us,
478
00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:45,361
you're kind of
tying our hands.
479
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,739
I understand.
480
00:24:46,735 --> 00:24:48,445
You see, like,
what if, today,
481
00:24:48,445 --> 00:24:50,985
we were talking to the coroner
about Kevin?
482
00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:55,332
In my hotel room
the day before we came here,
483
00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:59,207
I took a hydrocodone
to kind of curb
484
00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:00,996
the withdrawals
that were starting to set in.
485
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,840
Why did this not come up
until now?
486
00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,588
I know that I wasn't
completely honest
487
00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:10,629
and up‐front about the fact
that I was going to be detoxing.
488
00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:13,184
I didn't want to lose
the opportunity.
489
00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:15,888
Right now, I have no idea
what's in your system.
490
00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:17,769
I know what
you're telling me,
491
00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:21,896
and I know what you told me
the whole application process.
492
00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:26,145
Every glass we hand out,
we risk everything we own,
493
00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:29,700
which means we have to be able
to trust who we're working with,
494
00:25:29,695 --> 00:25:32,605
because there's no
ayahuasca insurance.
495
00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:36,874
There's no liability insurance
you can purchase for DMT.
496
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:38,659
So, we risk, all of us,
497
00:25:38,662 --> 00:25:41,002
everything we own
with every cup,
498
00:25:40,998 --> 00:25:43,878
that your honesty
is that important,
499
00:25:43,876 --> 00:25:48,586
because people have died in this
country by careless operators.
500
00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:53,049
So, tonight,
we can't work with you,
501
00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:56,972
and I'm going to have
Walter and Nik assist
502
00:25:56,972 --> 00:26:01,562
in helping you be escorted
from the ceremonial premises.
503
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,730
Thank you so much.
‐Thank you.
504
00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:06,018
‐I'm sorry, Kevin.
‐I'm sorry.
505
00:26:06,023 --> 00:26:07,823
No hard feelings
whatsoever.
506
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,239
It's never easy for me
to make that final call
507
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,290
to throw somebody
out of a ceremony.
508
00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:19,905
I mean, it's really
difficult for me.
509
00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:21,832
Because I wanted
to help heal Kevin.
510
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:23,670
I wanted to be
a part of that.
511
00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:27,085
Mother Aya did, too.
But I can't risk Kevin,
512
00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,256
and I can't risk
Mother's existence in America
513
00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:32,755
for Kevin's
lack of concern.
514
00:26:36,345 --> 00:26:37,845
Kevin: My general
feeling, right now,
515
00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:41,426
is just a feeling of
disappointment in myself.
516
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:44,273
The one thing that I'll
take out of this is,
517
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:48,649
it did give me the opportunity
to be completely open and honest
518
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:51,569
with my partner,
who has been my rock.
519
00:26:51,568 --> 00:26:55,318
And I had a tough conversation
with my fiance
520
00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,992
about why I was here.
521
00:26:57,991 --> 00:27:00,241
He found out about
the heroin use just today.
522
00:27:00,244 --> 00:27:01,874
He didn't know anything
about it.
523
00:27:01,870 --> 00:27:04,620
And I said things
in my interviews
524
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,213
and on camera
that I hadn't told anybody.
525
00:27:07,209 --> 00:27:08,499
So, I think,
at the very least,
526
00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:11,092
the circle of lies
has been broken.
527
00:27:11,088 --> 00:27:14,718
♪♪
528
00:27:16,927 --> 00:27:18,797
Steve: It happened.
He got away with it.
529
00:27:18,804 --> 00:27:21,394
It sucks.
And it just is.
530
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,810
And just cut that ... knot, and
let it go.
531
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,030
O0
♪♪
532
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,700
♪♪
533
00:27:41,702 --> 00:27:44,582
I want to address
why Kevin is not here.
534
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,000
And that is because
we had some inconsistencies
535
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,829
with the information
that he provided,
536
00:27:48,834 --> 00:27:51,674
and we cannot
safely proceed.
537
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,670
Not the way we wanted it,
but it just is.
538
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,473
And so, I've learned,
you just roll with it.
539
00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:59,297
But that's how
we'll be rolling tonight.
540
00:27:59,303 --> 00:28:02,603
Tonight, we expect you
to have a deeper experience.
541
00:28:02,598 --> 00:28:04,428
This ain't no
little thing.
542
00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:07,393
It's sometimes scary. It's,
most of the times, intense.
543
00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:09,234
But at the end of the day,
544
00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:12,899
I know nothing that will put
you further down your path
545
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,860
than these 2 days
with this medicine right here.
546
00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:19,571
♪♪
547
00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:27,002
Tina is here because
she has suffered child abuse
548
00:28:26,997 --> 00:28:31,337
and sexual abuse
early in her life.
549
00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:32,915
She went to the police.
550
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,590
She did everything right,
and no one does a thing.
551
00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:43,428
So, we set up an arena
of introspection.
552
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:45,310
I want to use colored lights
and mirrors
553
00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:48,187
to bring different viewpoints
as she's looking at herself
554
00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,345
to see the good
within Tina.
555
00:28:50,354 --> 00:28:54,524
I want to take Tina deep within
herself so she can make peace,
556
00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,534
so she can embrace
all of herself.
557
00:28:57,527 --> 00:28:59,607
And just please
have a seat.
558
00:28:59,613 --> 00:29:04,833
We're gonna guide her to
a different view of Tina.
559
00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:08,706
The acorn that held the tree
that is behind you held
560
00:29:08,705 --> 00:29:14,035
everything that that tree needed
to become what you see now,
561
00:29:14,044 --> 00:29:18,924
just as you were complete
at the moment of conception.
562
00:29:18,924 --> 00:29:23,104
That's part of finding
your inner wholeness.
563
00:29:23,095 --> 00:29:28,265
The foundation of all depression
is anger turned inward.
564
00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:32,226
What were you angry
at yourself about?
565
00:29:32,229 --> 00:29:35,109
At the fact that he got away
and that it was in part
566
00:29:35,107 --> 00:29:38,277
because I couldn't tell
the police what happened.
567
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:42,780
You did everything right,
568
00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:46,161
and the world was wrong
at that moment.
569
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:50,749
You can't change that.
570
00:29:50,747 --> 00:29:52,747
It happened.
He got away with it.
571
00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:55,919
It sucks.
And it just is.
572
00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:58,669
But you can fight that battle
for the rest of your life,
573
00:29:58,672 --> 00:30:01,762
and throw away a lot of good
things trying to figure it out,
574
00:30:01,758 --> 00:30:05,098
and go through the conundrums
and the mental gymnastics.
575
00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:09,975
Or you can just cut that
... knot, and let it go,
576
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:13,935
and move on with your life
as you reconstruct it.
577
00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:16,607
And that is the gift
you can give Tina.
578
00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:21,316
♪♪
579
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,859
What's the Tina that's looking
back at you right now?
580
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:33,166
Strong, and has
a lot of courage.
581
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:37,665
I love my openness,
and my ability
582
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:45,549
to see things from other views,
and my love for people.
583
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:49,932
I see a Tina who ain't looked
away one moment, not one moment.
584
00:30:49,931 --> 00:30:52,771
Ain't looked down.
Ain't looked up.
585
00:30:52,768 --> 00:30:55,978
She has sat here
and bravely and courageously
586
00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:58,569
looked dead
in her own eyes.
587
00:31:01,068 --> 00:31:06,658
Teri: And I want you to think of
how far you have come.
588
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:09,576
And I want you
to remind yourself
589
00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:16,036
that, you know, you no longer
need to cope in unhealthy ways.
590
00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:21,511
And I want you to just think of
how much you love yourself,
591
00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,755
and how good you have done
thus far.
592
00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:27,138
It's not often that we sit and
look at ourselves, you know ‐‐
593
00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:29,595
like, really look
at ourselves.
594
00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:34,426
And I think with, you know,
all of the...
595
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:36,064
the positive things
596
00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:38,021
that were brought
to her attention at that time,
597
00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:42,361
and the fact that the ayahuasca
was starting to kick in on her,
598
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,609
you know, it just kind of
amplified those good things.
599
00:31:45,612 --> 00:31:49,532
And I think
she really needed that.
600
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:51,243
Tina: I could feel
Mother Ayahuasca
601
00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:52,873
move through me.
602
00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:54,749
I stepped into that ‐‐
603
00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:59,416
that other realm of being deeper
inside within my mind and ‐‐
604
00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:01,837
and soul ‐‐
and just, more connected.
605
00:32:04,798 --> 00:32:07,588
In that setting,
I was starting to feel,
606
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:11,682
like, very airy, and colors
were just more vibrant.
607
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,020
And I saw, like, yellows,
pinks and purples
608
00:32:15,016 --> 00:32:18,016
that were in symmetry of,
like, squares,
609
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:21,019
and they were all connected,
going different ways.
610
00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:24,152
I felt like, I could, like,
touch it, but not.
611
00:32:24,151 --> 00:32:28,241
And I, you know, was viewing it,
yet I was, like, a part of it.
612
00:32:28,238 --> 00:32:30,318
Inside that journey
I was going through,
613
00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:34,293
I felt like I was, like,
a seed in the ground.
614
00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:37,326
And any time I felt like
I was ready to grow,
615
00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:39,120
I wanted to shed it back.
616
00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:41,044
Like, I wasn't ready
to sprout yet.
617
00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:45,836
And then, after a while,
618
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,799
I just kind of felt like
I was being held.
619
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,100
I just was curled up in a ball,
and I felt so comfortable,
620
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:56,095
and just, like, "You got this,"
and "You can do it."
621
00:32:56,099 --> 00:32:59,349
And I do have a great,
big life ahead of me.
622
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:00,942
This is just the start.
623
00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:07,525
18 years
you've had this baby.
624
00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:08,737
That's nuts.
Holy crap.
625
00:33:08,737 --> 00:33:10,737
She's a grown‐up now.
626
00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:11,909
Do you care
if I hold Rachel?
627
00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:23,501
O0 C1
♪♪
628
00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:25,051
[ Angela laughs ]
629
00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:29,335
Steve: Angela is one of
the most interesting cases
630
00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,131
that I have worked with.
631
00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:32,684
The baby that
she carries with her
632
00:33:32,677 --> 00:33:34,717
has become a symbol
of her security,
633
00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:36,221
which is the prison
around her,
634
00:33:36,223 --> 00:33:38,353
which does not
allow her to heal.
635
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:39,890
That baby represents
everything.
636
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:41,353
It represents trauma.
637
00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:43,693
It represents love.
It represents hate.
638
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,358
It represents a little girl
crying herself to sleep,
639
00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:49,238
wondering why the people
she should trust hurts her.
640
00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:50,776
Teri: Are you ready
to go, darling?
641
00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:52,359
It saw it all.
642
00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:54,534
It held her
when no one else would,
643
00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:57,122
it listened to her
when no one else could,
644
00:33:57,118 --> 00:34:01,748
and it took her abuse when
no one else could even see it.
645
00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:05,168
It was the reason that
she got through that madness
646
00:34:05,168 --> 00:34:06,878
that was her childhood.
647
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:10,418
But now,
she's an adult,
648
00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:13,183
and no matter what happened
in her childhood,
649
00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:16,846
I've got to get her
to move forward.
650
00:34:16,846 --> 00:34:19,886
Let's start with who you
brought in here with us.
651
00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:21,851
And tell me a little bit
about this baby.
652
00:34:21,851 --> 00:34:23,651
This is Rachel.
653
00:34:23,645 --> 00:34:26,435
Okay. And so, I take it your
mom gave you this baby?
654
00:34:26,439 --> 00:34:28,529
For my 6th birthday.
655
00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:30,645
Your 6th birthday.
And how old are you again?
656
00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:32,112
Um, I'm 24.
657
00:34:32,112 --> 00:34:33,362
‐You're 24.
‐I may not act it,
658
00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:34,663
but I am 24.
‐Okay.
659
00:34:34,656 --> 00:34:37,576
So, 18 years
you've had this baby.
660
00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:39,485
Wow!
That's nuts.
661
00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:41,374
Yeah.
Holy crap.
662
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:43,371
She's a grown‐up now.
663
00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:45,463
She's an actual adult.
664
00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:47,418
So, what does this baby
mean to you?
665
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,249
Because, I mean,
for you to bring it here
666
00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,974
and carry it with you
for 18 years...
667
00:34:51,965 --> 00:34:54,875
I remember when my mom
first brought her,
668
00:34:54,884 --> 00:34:56,434
I thought she was
a real baby.
669
00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,048
So, obviously,
you had a beautiful
670
00:34:58,054 --> 00:34:59,764
relationship
with your mother.
671
00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:01,524
Where was your father?
672
00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:03,346
Oh.
673
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:08,861
I had the antonym of beautiful
relationship with my father.
674
00:35:08,857 --> 00:35:11,107
So, he was there
half the time.
675
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,609
‐Okay.
‐It was just not
the best half for me.
676
00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:16,662
Tell me you went through
with your mom and dad.
677
00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:19,446
I know ‐‐ I can tell by how ‐‐
the moment I said "your dad,"
678
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:20,791
everything shifted.
679
00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,945
[ Giggles ]
680
00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,674
‐So, tell me what's happened.
‐Um...
681
00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:29,415
Or if you have to,
tell me what Rachel has seen.
682
00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:31,209
Rachel didn't have to see
most of it,
683
00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:33,342
because I, being
the parent I am,
684
00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:36,180
decided to not show
her most of it.
685
00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:37,506
Do you care
if I hold Rachel?
686
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:38,760
Oh, yeah.
That's fine.
687
00:35:38,762 --> 00:35:40,852
Here.
688
00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:42,717
Let's say you were
talking to Rachel.
689
00:35:42,724 --> 00:35:44,604
‐Uh‐huh.
‐Rachel has experienced
690
00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:47,021
everything that
you've experienced.
691
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:52,030
What would you say to Rachel
that would help her the most?
692
00:35:52,025 --> 00:35:53,525
[ Voice breaking ]
"You didn't deserve any of it."
693
00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:57,855
"Hang in there.
It gets a lot better,
694
00:35:57,864 --> 00:35:59,704
but very little by little,
695
00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:03,999
and certainly doesn't feel like
it's worth it at times.
696
00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:05,455
But if you
hang in there...
697
00:36:05,455 --> 00:36:07,285
And it takes time,
doesn't it?
698
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:09,880
‐Yeah.
‐And you've gotten better
from where you were,
699
00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:11,876
haven't you?
‐Uh‐huh.
700
00:36:11,878 --> 00:36:13,208
It's unbelievable.
701
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,303
You're not
less than whole.
702
00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:17,468
You're a beautiful,
vibrant person.
703
00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:18,927
Thank you.
704
00:36:18,927 --> 00:36:21,347
And I feel that you have
come a long way
705
00:36:21,346 --> 00:36:24,596
in your personal demons
and struggles.
706
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,639
And that's what
brought us here together.
707
00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:28,103
Uh‐huh.
708
00:36:28,103 --> 00:36:31,313
...was for us
to move further forward.
709
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:34,534
Now, I see you're starting to
feel some of the ayahuasca,
710
00:36:34,526 --> 00:36:36,236
because your eyes
are dilated, really.
711
00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:37,606
I...They are?
712
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:38,782
Yeah.
They're starting to dilate.
713
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:40,410
That's all good.
‐No.
714
00:36:40,407 --> 00:36:43,027
I feel weird.
715
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,124
So, I'm gonna help
you back downstairs,
716
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,910
But before you do,
I want you to remember ‐‐
717
00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:52,254
no matter what you think
has been wrong in the past,
718
00:36:52,252 --> 00:36:54,552
today is the first day
of the rest of your life.
719
00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:55,916
‐Yeah.
‐And we're going to ‐‐
720
00:36:55,922 --> 00:36:58,092
we're going to let
those things go...
721
00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:00,301
‐Thank you.
‐...because you deserve it,
and so does Rachel.
722
00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:01,471
Thank you.
723
00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:08,346
Angela: Doing that one‐on‐one
time with Steve,
724
00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:11,271
I was struck by
this sense of,
725
00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:14,521
"Everything is going to be okay,
and you're in good hands."
726
00:37:14,524 --> 00:37:17,114
And normally,
I can't feel those emotions.
727
00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:22,070
But I felt as if
I could let go.
728
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,033
Mother Aya
made me feel like,
729
00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:27,333
"Hey, this is how
you're supposed to feel."
730
00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:33,248
And then,
I noticed that
731
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:36,211
I had a hole in my chest ‐‐
a very dark hole.
732
00:37:36,212 --> 00:37:38,472
I was completely dark.
733
00:37:38,465 --> 00:37:40,425
So, I just reached
my hand in,
734
00:37:40,425 --> 00:37:44,095
and suddenly,
I did find another hand.
735
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:48,175
But it turns out,
it was a severed hand.
736
00:37:48,183 --> 00:37:50,143
I always held hope
until now, like,
737
00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:52,523
the old Angela
will be back.
738
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,360
Everything will be the way
it was before things happened.
739
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,397
And I guess it was kind of
a way of showing me
740
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:01,071
that it wouldn't be.
741
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:05,160
I could see that the hand
was still growing a little
742
00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:08,578
into a tree of some sort.
And I realized that,
743
00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:14,078
"Hey, this is my true self,
and it's still growing."
744
00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:19,213
It turned all that suffering
and all that loneliness
745
00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:22,134
into something
that has meaning again.
746
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:33,267
O0 C1
♪♪
747
00:38:33,269 --> 00:38:35,689
Tina: Being so hyper‐vigilant
my whole life
748
00:38:35,688 --> 00:38:37,688
from what has
happened to me,
749
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,650
you know, I think the medicine
was giving me what I needed,
750
00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,492
which is rest and calm.
751
00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:46,318
I absolutely feel less anxious,
and it's almost weird.
752
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:47,914
I'm like,
"Where is my anxiety at?"
753
00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:49,699
[ Chuckles ]
754
00:38:49,702 --> 00:38:52,372
Today, I actually really
haven't felt nervous at all.
755
00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:56,292
So, that's awesome.
756
00:38:56,292 --> 00:39:00,052
Angela: Ayahuasca
is the game‐changer.
757
00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,586
This is the first time
in my life
758
00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,470
I have not felt
like a mess.
759
00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:05,797
Hey!
‐Hey!
760
00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:07,762
How are you doing?
Good to see you.
761
00:39:07,762 --> 00:39:09,642
Please, have a seat.
762
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,429
Steve: You took a big step
last night,
763
00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:14,192
putting that baby
on its own bed.
764
00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:17,265
How did it feel,
having your own space?
765
00:39:17,272 --> 00:39:20,822
It was...nice,
actually.
766
00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:25,277
I felt like I used Rachel as an
emotional support all my life.
767
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,660
Mm‐hmm.
And she served you well.
768
00:39:27,657 --> 00:39:30,697
Yeah. She ‐‐
she was a good baby.
769
00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:32,542
Can I ask you to take
one more larger step?
770
00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:34,327
Yes.
771
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,170
Can I put your baby on my altar
for the duration?
772
00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:37,745
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
773
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,420
And that will also symbolize
to many other people
774
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:41,840
who have been
in your shoes
775
00:39:41,838 --> 00:39:44,628
that's gonna come
through this door,
776
00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:48,852
the healing that can
be had with us
777
00:39:48,845 --> 00:39:52,555
by moving through these steps
of evolution and progression,
778
00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:54,887
because that's exactly
what you have just done.
779
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:58,193
‐Yeah.
‐And I am so proud of you.
780
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:00,647
‐Thank you.
‐Give me a hug.
781
00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:02,358
I love you so much.
782
00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:04,688
I love you too, and I can't
wait to hear from you.
783
00:40:04,694 --> 00:40:06,954
‐Okay.
‐You are so special.
784
00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:09,946
Steve: It was the most trusting
thing she could ever do,
785
00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:14,159
was give me that baby.
And that meant so much to me.
786
00:40:14,162 --> 00:40:17,792
That meant so much to her,
to be able to have somebody
787
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:21,960
to give this symbol
of guilt, pain.
788
00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:25,591
And she handed it to me
to hold for her,
789
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:30,090
and to use it
to help others with.
790
00:40:30,094 --> 00:40:32,724
With those steps, there,
guess what?
791
00:40:32,722 --> 00:40:34,432
She's no longer a victim.
792
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:36,352
She's no longer
a survivor.
793
00:40:36,351 --> 00:40:40,061
She is an intact,
whole human being.
794
00:40:40,063 --> 00:40:42,273
This is really a day
of fulfillment for us.
795
00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:44,613
The end of the ceremony,
when we know we're letting you
796
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:46,649
go back out
into the world
797
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:50,703
with a whole different dynamic,
perspective, spirit, rebirth,
798
00:40:50,698 --> 00:40:53,238
and coping skills and mechanics
to help you deal with
799
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:55,622
the rough patches
that may come up in your life ‐‐
800
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:59,420
as they surely will,
because it's life.
801
00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:02,835
My takeaway from this
experience is, I'm loved,
802
00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:05,955
and I need to
treat myself as such.
803
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:07,634
Yeah.
Group hug.
804
00:41:07,632 --> 00:41:10,762
I want to, um, just kind of
redirect my focus,
805
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,470
and remember
how I feel right now.
806
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,220
Behave yourself,
you hear me?
807
00:41:14,222 --> 00:41:15,852
You know, I want to move forward
in a more positive way,
808
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,478
and I really would like
to use this
809
00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:22,355
as a restart to move forward
with a better life.
810
00:41:22,355 --> 00:41:24,355
Thank you.
Safe travels.
811
00:41:24,357 --> 00:41:25,687
Bye‐bye, now.
Thank you.
812
00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:27,112
Safe travels.
813
00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:28,280
Thank you, Angela.
‐Thank you.
814
00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:31,197
Safe travels.
815
00:41:31,197 --> 00:41:34,987
Angela:
It does feel like I'm leaving
a piece of myself behind.
816
00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:36,703
But instead of
feeling lost,
817
00:41:36,703 --> 00:41:39,913
like I normally would
when I leave anything
818
00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:41,924
I care about behind,
819
00:41:41,916 --> 00:41:46,046
it feels more like the natural
progression to the next step.
820
00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:52,717
Teri: Ayahuasca, to me,
helps us nurture ourselves
821
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,469
because it allows us
to look within ourselves.
822
00:41:57,473 --> 00:42:01,103
And I think
that's beautiful.
823
00:42:01,102 --> 00:42:05,022
Angela: Ayahuasca is
exactly what I needed.
824
00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:06,863
This is the sort of Angela
825
00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:09,688
that I feel is
an actual change,
826
00:42:09,694 --> 00:42:13,824
as in I can't go back
to square one anymore,
827
00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:16,413
because square one
no longer exists.
828
00:42:19,162 --> 00:42:21,912
Steve: Mother Aya taught me
this round that, sometimes,
829
00:42:21,914 --> 00:42:24,424
I have to practice
restraint.
830
00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:27,707
Other times,
I must take it to the mat.
831
00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:29,422
And every time,
832
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:33,382
I don't know what's gonna
happen until it happens.
833
00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:36,014
And really,
Mother Aya has taught me
834
00:42:36,012 --> 00:42:39,812
to accept the unknown
of existence,
835
00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:45,857
to stay in the now, and to allow
the chaos of life to unfold.
836
00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:49,605
♪♪
837
00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:57,782
♪♪
838
00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:04,253
Since leaving Aya Quest,
839
00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:07,628
I've noticed that my vision
has changed in how I see myself.
840
00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:10,457
I feel that my heart is lighter
and has expanded,
841
00:43:10,463 --> 00:43:13,883
creating new space
for self‐love and gratitude.
842
00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:17,603
♪♪
843
00:43:20,556 --> 00:43:24,226
♪♪
844
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:30,436
Since leaving Aya Quest,
a lot has changed.
845
00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:33,691
First, I'm applying
to grad‐school programs
846
00:43:33,694 --> 00:43:36,284
for a Master's
in social work.
847
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,700
My friends said that
I matured 5 years overnight.
848
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,370
I'm not sure what that's
supposed to mean,
849
00:43:41,369 --> 00:43:43,539
but I assume
that's a good thing, too.
850
00:43:43,538 --> 00:43:46,868
And, hmm,
I just feel like
851
00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,384
I'm no longer transported
to the past,
852
00:43:49,377 --> 00:43:51,997
and it's something
that happened to me
853
00:43:52,004 --> 00:43:54,264
but isn't me anymore.
854
00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:57,887
♪♪
855
00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:02,641
♪♪
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