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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,544 --> 00:00:04,804 Steve: Now, I see you're really starting to feel 2 00:00:04,796 --> 00:00:07,006 some of the ayahuasca, because your eyes are dilated. 3 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:09,297 Yeah. I feel weird. 4 00:00:09,301 --> 00:00:11,471 What would you say to Rachel that would help her? 5 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:16,729 [ Voice breaking ] "You didn't deserve any of it. 6 00:00:16,725 --> 00:00:19,685 Hang in there. It gets a lot better." 7 00:00:19,686 --> 00:00:22,056 And Rachel knows all the answers. 8 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:26,573 Steve: I've been a lot of things in my life. 9 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:29,488 I've been a bank robber, and a prisoner. 10 00:00:29,488 --> 00:00:33,698 But being a shaman is my calling. 11 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:36,250 Ayahuasca is a Schedule 1 narcotic ‐‐ 12 00:00:36,245 --> 00:00:40,075 the same as heroin and LSD ‐‐ but it's not a drug. 13 00:00:40,082 --> 00:00:41,542 It's medicine. 14 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:45,882 And in my church, it's a sacrament. 15 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:48,799 We can do in 2 days what conventional therapy 16 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:50,799 may take years to do, 17 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:54,221 but only if you are willing to step into the pain. 18 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:04,477 I chose to offer ayahuasca in Kentucky. 19 00:01:04,481 --> 00:01:08,441 It would have been much easier to do it in LA, New York, 20 00:01:08,443 --> 00:01:12,453 but I chose right here in a bright red state 21 00:01:12,447 --> 00:01:15,277 with a conservative Christian base 22 00:01:15,284 --> 00:01:18,914 because these people need it the most. 23 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:22,212 What's going on in Kentucky I take very personally. 24 00:01:22,207 --> 00:01:23,787 Many cities in this country 25 00:01:23,792 --> 00:01:26,962 have a higher population than my entire state, 26 00:01:26,962 --> 00:01:29,672 and we are among the top 10 states 27 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:32,473 with the highest opiate‐related deaths. 28 00:01:32,467 --> 00:01:34,337 Deaths from opioid overdoses 29 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:37,354 have more than quadrupled since 1999. 30 00:01:37,347 --> 00:01:38,927 Some of the most severe devastation 31 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:41,142 has been right here in Kentucky. 32 00:01:41,143 --> 00:01:43,403 As a medicine person and shaman, 33 00:01:43,395 --> 00:01:47,015 I'm sitting here talking to people ‐‐ soldiers, military, 34 00:01:47,024 --> 00:01:50,284 you know, all kinds of strong people, who... 35 00:01:50,277 --> 00:01:52,277 They can't get rid of this, you know? 36 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:53,989 It is beating them. 37 00:01:53,989 --> 00:01:57,449 It is taking everything from them ‐‐ everything ‐ 38 00:01:57,451 --> 00:01:59,911 and I couldn't understand how opiates 39 00:01:59,911 --> 00:02:03,291 gripped these people so hard. 40 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:05,290 You know, it's real easy for me to go, 41 00:02:05,292 --> 00:02:10,342 "Just say no," when I don't understand. 42 00:02:10,339 --> 00:02:14,969 So, the only way I could understand was, 43 00:02:14,968 --> 00:02:18,348 I had to go get addicted. 44 00:02:18,347 --> 00:02:20,427 And that's what I did. 45 00:02:20,432 --> 00:02:22,142 I went and bought a bunch of Percocets 46 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:25,192 through street suppliers, 47 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:28,767 and I started off with two in the evening and a drink. 48 00:02:28,774 --> 00:02:31,034 And I'm going to tell you, it felt damn ... good. 49 00:02:31,026 --> 00:02:35,276 I ain't gonna lie. 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,780 I had a fine time. 51 00:02:36,782 --> 00:02:37,912 Then, the next night, you know what? 52 00:02:37,908 --> 00:02:40,578 I ate three. 53 00:02:40,577 --> 00:02:42,157 And that went on for weeks, 54 00:02:42,162 --> 00:02:45,212 and I'm increasing the dosages as I'm going. 55 00:02:45,207 --> 00:02:48,167 And as I get to the end of my 30‐day little trial, 56 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:50,208 I'm up to six pills a day. 57 00:02:50,212 --> 00:02:51,712 I'm drinking right with them, 58 00:02:51,713 --> 00:02:53,883 I'm staying stoned all day long. 59 00:02:53,882 --> 00:02:56,472 And then, I'm stopped. 60 00:02:56,468 --> 00:02:59,098 And I stopped cold‐turkey. 61 00:02:59,096 --> 00:03:00,966 And I'm gonna tell you, 62 00:03:00,972 --> 00:03:03,062 I went through the physical withdrawals for 2 weeks, 63 00:03:03,058 --> 00:03:04,428 and they were brutal. 64 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:06,314 You had diarrhea. 65 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:08,151 Sometimes, your brain would wake you up 66 00:03:08,146 --> 00:03:10,186 in the middle of the night with fake pains, 67 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:12,440 and the first thought in your mind was, 68 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:14,402 "Just eat a Percocet, and it'll all go away, 69 00:03:14,403 --> 00:03:17,823 and you'll go back to sleep." 70 00:03:17,823 --> 00:03:20,743 Your brain turned into your enemy. 71 00:03:20,742 --> 00:03:24,042 Your brain started trying to get you back on the pills 72 00:03:24,037 --> 00:03:26,957 because it enjoyed it so deeply. 73 00:03:26,957 --> 00:03:30,037 And there's a spirit to it that whispers to you, 74 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,633 that tells you, "Come on. You can do it. 75 00:03:31,628 --> 00:03:33,128 You know, just take another one." 76 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:35,840 And that's when I realized it's a disease, 77 00:03:35,841 --> 00:03:38,391 and I've got to view it as a disease. 78 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:40,175 I then, I done some ayahuasca, 79 00:03:40,178 --> 00:03:45,268 and she lifted it totally away from me. 80 00:03:45,267 --> 00:03:49,517 Mother Aya relieved a lot of my withdrawal symptoms 81 00:03:49,521 --> 00:03:51,521 in one journey, 82 00:03:51,523 --> 00:03:54,733 but it still almost whipped my ass. 83 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:59,494 And from that day forth, I have compassion for them. 84 00:03:59,489 --> 00:04:03,829 Opiate addicts, they're facing something that is deep, 85 00:04:03,827 --> 00:04:07,867 hard to deal with, and hard to come back from. 86 00:04:07,873 --> 00:04:09,123 But it's possible. 87 00:04:21,219 --> 00:04:24,509 Angela: My dad made my life hell for most of my life, 88 00:04:24,514 --> 00:04:26,814 and I've been dealing with that for quite a while. 89 00:04:33,023 --> 00:04:36,363 I have never done an ayahuasca ceremony before. 90 00:04:36,359 --> 00:04:39,319 If it could cure my complex post‐traumatic stress disorder, 91 00:04:39,321 --> 00:04:41,701 then I will be very, very happy. 92 00:04:44,576 --> 00:04:46,656 Complex post‐traumatic stress disorder 93 00:04:46,661 --> 00:04:49,001 is essentially post‐traumatic stress disorder, 94 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:52,917 but for people who have been experiencing a trauma 95 00:04:52,918 --> 00:04:54,918 for a very long period of time. 96 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,960 You don't want to be there. Your brain knows this, 97 00:04:56,963 --> 00:04:59,053 and it will do whatever it can to get you out, 98 00:04:59,049 --> 00:05:03,719 even if you, yourself, the body, can't. 99 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,220 A symptom of complex post‐traumatic stress disorder 100 00:05:06,223 --> 00:05:08,183 is, essentially, that I'm kind of off 101 00:05:08,183 --> 00:05:12,153 from how I feel and what I think. 102 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:17,355 My number‐one priority coming to Aya Quest is to feel again. 103 00:05:17,359 --> 00:05:20,739 Even if it's a bad trip, it would be nice to feel something. 104 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:32,666 ♪♪ 105 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:34,206 Kevin: For the first time in my life, 106 00:05:34,209 --> 00:05:38,089 I have somebody that has my back and loves me, 107 00:05:38,088 --> 00:05:41,588 but he is not aware that I'm using heroin. 108 00:05:41,591 --> 00:05:44,341 Drug abuse is something that you learn to lie about, 109 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:47,354 and that's where I've been for a long time. 110 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:49,637 After a while, you start to lose track of all the lies 111 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:51,351 that you've told. 112 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:52,891 Oh, good, there's tissues. 113 00:05:57,899 --> 00:06:02,359 The last time that I used heroin was 2 days ago. 114 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:04,662 The initial onset of the withdrawals 115 00:06:04,656 --> 00:06:06,866 have started to kick in, 116 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:11,287 so I used an opioid pill yesterday 117 00:06:11,288 --> 00:06:14,748 just to get through it. 118 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:16,669 It's important for me to get clean 119 00:06:16,668 --> 00:06:20,258 so that I can experience love and be able to honestly be there 120 00:06:20,255 --> 00:06:21,715 for the people that I care about. 121 00:06:25,176 --> 00:06:27,546 Teri: Well, now that we have everyone here, 122 00:06:27,554 --> 00:06:29,814 the first thing I will have you all do 123 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:33,176 is go over your applications for me. 124 00:06:33,184 --> 00:06:35,854 Please make sure that you have not neglected 125 00:06:35,854 --> 00:06:37,654 to tell us anything, you know? 126 00:06:37,647 --> 00:06:41,737 If you have taken anything within the last 24 hours, 127 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:43,695 I really need to know. 128 00:06:43,695 --> 00:06:46,525 Our primary concern is keeping you safe. 129 00:06:49,826 --> 00:06:51,326 Thank you. ‐You're welcome. 130 00:06:57,751 --> 00:07:00,091 So, when was the last time that you took anything? 131 00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:01,876 Kevin: Um, about 4 days ago. 132 00:07:04,633 --> 00:07:07,803 I had a little bit of a relapse. 133 00:07:07,802 --> 00:07:09,762 What was it that you took a few days ago, sweetie? 134 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:10,763 I took a little bit of heroin. 135 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:15,980 That's all it was? 136 00:07:15,977 --> 00:07:19,517 That's all it was. 137 00:07:19,522 --> 00:07:22,112 All right. Um... 138 00:07:22,108 --> 00:07:24,438 you should be all right. 139 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:26,244 You know, heroin a couple of days 140 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:30,367 before a ceremony is not a concern, 141 00:07:30,367 --> 00:07:32,787 because it's gonna be out of his system. 142 00:07:32,786 --> 00:07:34,496 Pharmaceuticals are a different story, 143 00:07:34,496 --> 00:07:37,666 because some of those can last much longer in the body. 144 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:41,086 The combination of ayahuasca and prescription drugs 145 00:07:41,086 --> 00:07:43,706 can be deadly. 146 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:45,763 All right. 147 00:07:45,757 --> 00:07:47,797 So, if you all would like to grab your bags and follow me. 148 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:52,716 I wasn't honest because I didn't want to be 149 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:54,642 kicked out of the ceremony, 150 00:07:54,641 --> 00:07:56,351 and partly because I've been lying about it for so long, 151 00:07:56,351 --> 00:07:59,101 it's just a natural thing to do. 152 00:07:59,104 --> 00:08:01,444 So, here is where you all are gonna be staying 153 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:02,729 for the next couple of days. 154 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:05,032 Go ahead and find you a bed. 155 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:08,356 Teri: In this group, we have Kevin from Oklahoma, 156 00:08:08,363 --> 00:08:13,333 Angela from California, and we have Tina from Texas. 157 00:08:13,326 --> 00:08:17,706 I've been diagnosed with depression, anxiety. 158 00:08:17,706 --> 00:08:21,876 I think what leads up to those depressed feelings 159 00:08:21,876 --> 00:08:23,746 is feeling unworthy. 160 00:08:23,753 --> 00:08:25,633 I've had a guy tell me once that, 161 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:27,340 "You attract certain guys because they can tell 162 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:28,470 that you're broken." 163 00:08:34,013 --> 00:08:37,433 My intention here is to, hopefully, find more love 164 00:08:37,434 --> 00:08:39,894 for myself, and more self‐compassion. 165 00:08:44,357 --> 00:08:46,937 Steve: Hello. My name is Steve Hupp, Chief Shaman 166 00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:49,363 of Aya Quest Native Americas Church, 167 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:51,072 and thank you for coming. 168 00:08:51,072 --> 00:08:53,242 We're looking forward to working with all of you. 169 00:08:53,241 --> 00:08:56,621 Mother Aya is a very real presence, 170 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:59,909 so don't approach her like a vending machine, 171 00:08:59,914 --> 00:09:02,254 like you're here to put a quarter in a slot 172 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:03,840 and get a treat, 173 00:09:03,835 --> 00:09:06,045 because that will do nothing but piss her off. 174 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:11,262 We're gonna do your first dose. 175 00:09:11,259 --> 00:09:13,969 About 20 minutes after that, we'll do a second cup. 176 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:17,680 ♪♪ 177 00:09:20,143 --> 00:09:23,863 ♪♪ 178 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:27,979 [ Sighs ] 179 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:31,454 Will it warm up in here? I'm freezing. 180 00:09:31,446 --> 00:09:33,316 I think it's because I haven't eaten. 181 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:42,210 Going through withdrawals, 182 00:09:42,207 --> 00:09:45,167 your body is going through a lot. 183 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:48,208 Right now, this very moment, I feel awful. 184 00:09:48,213 --> 00:09:51,223 But in the back of my mind, I just kept telling myself that, 185 00:09:51,216 --> 00:09:53,336 "This is what needs to happen. It's gonna be okay. 186 00:09:53,343 --> 00:09:54,513 You're fine." 187 00:09:54,511 --> 00:09:58,141 ♪♪ 188 00:09:58,139 --> 00:10:00,769 Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic tea 189 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:03,517 made with plants from the Amazon, 190 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,940 and it is the strongest psychedelic known to man. 191 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,400 But this isn't like LSD. 192 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,110 Ayahuasca is a portal to your inner self ‐‐ 193 00:10:12,112 --> 00:10:15,322 your subconscious. And through that portal, 194 00:10:15,323 --> 00:10:18,913 you're going to meet a goddess we call Mother Aya. 195 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:21,120 When your journey first takes off, 196 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:24,621 you may feel euphoria, until boom! 197 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:30,134 The spike hits, and the purge begins. 198 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:32,260 You may laugh, you may cry, 199 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:34,967 and you may do both at the same time. 200 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:36,678 You may puke or shit. 201 00:10:36,678 --> 00:10:38,428 But each of those purges 202 00:10:38,429 --> 00:10:42,019 are a physical manifestation of an emotional release. 203 00:10:42,016 --> 00:10:44,306 That's when you truly find healing. 204 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,280 I'm not hallucinating hallucinating, 205 00:10:57,282 --> 00:11:00,122 but when I look at the black tablecloth, 206 00:11:00,118 --> 00:11:02,618 I see, like, symmetry and kaleidoscope. 207 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:04,750 It's like an overlay. 208 00:11:04,747 --> 00:11:06,747 ‐Yeah. That's a beautiful thing. ‐It's a beautiful thing. 209 00:11:06,749 --> 00:11:08,589 Everything is beautiful. 210 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:09,785 Kevin: I'll need to get up and walk around occasionally, 211 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:11,304 because my back... ‐Mm‐hmm. 212 00:11:11,296 --> 00:11:14,086 ...is jacked up. So, these chairs are... 213 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:16,010 ‐Okay. ‐...really making it uncomfortable. 214 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:17,929 Teri: Yeah. I mean, if you want to stand up and walk around now, 215 00:11:17,927 --> 00:11:20,717 you're more than welcome to. 216 00:11:20,722 --> 00:11:25,352 My entire adult life, I have kept secrets, lied to my family. 217 00:11:27,896 --> 00:11:31,686 Growing up in Oklahoma, my dad was homophobic, 218 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:34,401 and I just felt like he didn't like me 219 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:36,952 or want me if he knew that I was gay. 220 00:11:36,946 --> 00:11:38,986 It feels very lonely to keep it to yourself, 221 00:11:38,990 --> 00:11:41,620 to carry that secret around. 222 00:11:41,618 --> 00:11:44,118 Getting into my early teenage years, 223 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,290 I started being molested by somebody who was a grown adult. 224 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:52,051 He was 30 years old at the time, or close to it. 225 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:54,835 There was a part of me that enjoyed it. 226 00:11:54,839 --> 00:11:57,589 I mean, it was wrong, it was bad, 227 00:11:57,592 --> 00:12:01,762 but, you know, physically, it was pleasurable. 228 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:04,023 At that age, I don't think my brain was developed 229 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:07,475 well enough to know how to process what was happening. 230 00:12:07,477 --> 00:12:09,147 And I made some new friends, 231 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:12,725 and they introduced me to methamphetamine, alcohol, 232 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:15,692 and I just dove in headfirst. 233 00:12:15,693 --> 00:12:17,533 I liked it. I liked the way that I felt. 234 00:12:17,528 --> 00:12:19,198 I didn't feel guilty. 235 00:12:19,197 --> 00:12:22,447 I didn't feel like people were looking at me funny. 236 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:25,620 I didn't feel self‐conscious. 237 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:27,620 I just felt good. 238 00:12:27,622 --> 00:12:31,382 And in a time in my life where things weren't so great, 239 00:12:31,376 --> 00:12:36,456 I found drugs to be the easiest solution. 240 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:38,304 But, you know, I'm exhausted, 241 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:41,179 and I don't want to do it anymore. 242 00:12:41,177 --> 00:12:42,507 ‐You okay? ‐Yeah. 243 00:12:42,512 --> 00:12:44,472 There's a lot going on right now. 244 00:12:44,472 --> 00:12:46,682 Steve: Anything that he doesn't want to tell me, 245 00:12:46,683 --> 00:12:49,023 Mother Aya is gonna whisper it right in my ear. 246 00:12:49,018 --> 00:12:51,438 Kevin: Oh, God. Oh. 247 00:12:56,776 --> 00:13:00,356 O0 C1 ♪♪ 248 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:05,990 ♪♪ 249 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:07,504 ‐Are you ready, sweetie? ‐Yes. 250 00:13:07,495 --> 00:13:08,705 All right. 251 00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:13,631 Steve: Kevin is here because of his addiction to opiates, 252 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:15,666 which is preventing him from moving forward 253 00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:18,460 in his relationship with his partner. 254 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:21,934 We've set up a montage of positive gay images. 255 00:13:21,926 --> 00:13:24,596 This photo montage is gonna help Kevin see 256 00:13:24,595 --> 00:13:27,805 that he doesn't need drugs to help him cope anymore. 257 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:30,767 He needs to focus his energy on what's in front of him, 258 00:13:30,768 --> 00:13:33,148 which is love. 259 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:36,066 Before you get going here, we'd like you to go ahead 260 00:13:36,065 --> 00:13:37,975 and drink your second cup of ayahuasca. 261 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:39,614 Kevin: Okay. 262 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,860 Kind of get settled in, get your water. 263 00:13:42,864 --> 00:13:44,204 Good job. Excellent. 264 00:13:44,198 --> 00:13:46,198 Good. 265 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,540 And we kind of set up this little photo collage for you, 266 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:52,457 because we kind of wanted you to get refocused 267 00:13:52,457 --> 00:13:54,877 on what you could potentially miss out 268 00:13:54,876 --> 00:14:00,046 if we don't really get serious about this opiate addiction. 269 00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:02,878 Now, looking at these pictures here, tell me ‐‐ 270 00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:04,474 tell me about that picture. 271 00:14:04,469 --> 00:14:06,799 It looks like a real happy you in that picture. 272 00:14:06,804 --> 00:14:10,524 I was happy. I was hosting a fund‐raiser 273 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:12,636 for an organization that I work with. 274 00:14:12,643 --> 00:14:15,353 It was his first time, maybe second time to go with me. 275 00:14:15,354 --> 00:14:17,484 But that's who he is. He's supportive. 276 00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:20,692 Anything that I do, you know, he's right there next to me. 277 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:22,073 Sounds like a phenomenal guy. 278 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:23,570 He is. 279 00:14:23,571 --> 00:14:24,741 How long have you and him been together? 280 00:14:24,739 --> 00:14:26,529 Gonna be 3 years in October. 281 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:28,162 ‐Congratulations. ‐Thank you. 282 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:29,909 Normally, if I'm not around him, 283 00:14:29,911 --> 00:14:33,461 I'm looking for drugs, looking for a fix. 284 00:14:33,456 --> 00:14:35,286 I don't think he knows about the heroin, 285 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,501 but he knows that I had a pill problem. 286 00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:39,212 When was the last time you were happy? 287 00:14:42,757 --> 00:14:45,047 I don't know. 288 00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:47,181 I don't know if I've ever actually been happy. 289 00:14:47,178 --> 00:14:49,758 I don't know that I ‐‐ I don't know. 290 00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:52,854 It's been so long since I've even cared about being happy. 291 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:56,270 I focus on getting the bills paid. 292 00:14:56,270 --> 00:15:00,360 You focus on getting your drugs, right now. 293 00:15:00,358 --> 00:15:03,278 At times, you lied to that guy you loved, 294 00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:05,197 because that's what addicts do. 295 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:09,026 That's how we get the money. That's how we hustle bills. 296 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:11,663 You okay? It's all good. 297 00:15:11,661 --> 00:15:13,371 There's a lot going on right now. 298 00:15:13,371 --> 00:15:14,501 That's all good. 299 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:20,086 You are worthy and deserving of finding 300 00:15:20,086 --> 00:15:23,916 that peace free of judgment, free of all that, 301 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:27,093 and you can give that gift to yourself. 302 00:15:27,093 --> 00:15:28,933 ... 303 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,138 ‐What's up? ‐The bricks. 304 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:32,559 I mean, just, everything. There's so much going on right now. 305 00:15:32,557 --> 00:15:35,177 That's all good. That's all good. 306 00:15:35,184 --> 00:15:36,274 I do think I should get back down the stairs, though. 307 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:38,229 Okay. Well, we will... 308 00:15:38,229 --> 00:15:39,439 ‐Okay. ‐...go ahead and move you back downstairs... 309 00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:42,728 ‐Let's do it now. ‐...right now. 310 00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:44,823 Sitting there talking with Kevin, 311 00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:46,449 I kind of got the feeling he wasn't giving me 312 00:15:46,445 --> 00:15:48,195 the whole truth. 313 00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:50,907 But when you're dealing with an addict, that's normal. 314 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:52,908 Consciously, while he's trying to evade, 315 00:15:52,910 --> 00:15:54,410 Mother is working through him right now, 316 00:15:54,412 --> 00:15:56,582 and there's no evading her. 317 00:15:56,581 --> 00:15:59,961 I know Mother Aya is the real truth serum, 318 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:02,709 and anything that he doesn't want to tell me, 319 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,842 Mother Aya is gonna whisper it right in my ear. 320 00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:11,927 [ Laughs ] 321 00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:19,194 ♪♪ 322 00:16:19,187 --> 00:16:24,277 Teri: My first impression of Angela ‐‐ She was incredibly child‐like. 323 00:16:24,275 --> 00:16:26,485 Most of the people that come in have had, 324 00:16:26,485 --> 00:16:29,405 you know, stuffed animals of some sort, 325 00:16:29,405 --> 00:16:33,155 but she brings in a big baby doll. 326 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,539 To me, it's indicative of abuse as a child, 327 00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:39,037 because that baby doll becomes her security blanket. 328 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,120 That's her safe place. 329 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,090 Angela: When I had that first cup of ayahuasca, 330 00:16:45,087 --> 00:16:48,507 I just felt a sense of serenity. 331 00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:51,217 I was feeling pretty relaxed for the first time 332 00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:53,299 in a very long time, 333 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:56,524 as someone who is not exactly prone to relaxation. 334 00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:03,311 When I was 11, my mom and dad were arguing, 335 00:17:03,314 --> 00:17:05,864 and he ended up running across the room 336 00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,818 and punching her in the nose, which broke her nose, 337 00:17:07,818 --> 00:17:10,028 and she flew into the sliding glass wall. 338 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:14,079 And I just stopped existing, as in ‐‐ 339 00:17:14,075 --> 00:17:16,285 I just wasn't there anymore, and I wasn't... 340 00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:20,918 I didn't have to be there in my head. 341 00:17:23,292 --> 00:17:25,502 One time, my dad was just like, 342 00:17:25,503 --> 00:17:28,263 "Angela" ‐‐ like, he said in Chinese, like, 343 00:17:28,256 --> 00:17:30,676 "You should kill yourself, so I don't have to kill you, 344 00:17:30,675 --> 00:17:33,755 and I wouldn't have to go to jail." 345 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:36,101 I was hit a lot, but it didn't traumatize me 346 00:17:36,097 --> 00:17:38,847 as much as being afraid my mom would die, 347 00:17:38,849 --> 00:17:40,979 because I loved her the most. 348 00:17:40,977 --> 00:17:44,227 Like, she was my best friend. 349 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,476 The one thing I want is my mom alive. 350 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:51,994 Like, that's literally all I really want in life. Like... 351 00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:55,868 And it's kind of sucky, because everything life gave at the time 352 00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:57,866 was threatening to take her away. 353 00:18:02,873 --> 00:18:11,343 ♪♪ 354 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:13,880 Walter: If you want to go outside on this back patio 355 00:18:13,884 --> 00:18:15,344 for a second, we can. 356 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:18,264 [ Whispering ] 357 00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:25,515 I noticed you're having some withdrawal symptoms. 358 00:18:25,521 --> 00:18:27,111 Are you okay? 359 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:28,896 Kevin: Yeah. 360 00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:30,819 Do you relapse? 361 00:18:30,818 --> 00:18:33,608 I'm not doing heroin anymore, but I'm popping pills... 362 00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:35,163 Right. 363 00:18:35,156 --> 00:18:37,026 ...to keep from going through the withdrawals. 364 00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:40,953 I've fought that battle myself, so I know what it's about. 365 00:18:40,953 --> 00:18:43,623 So, when is the last time you used? 366 00:18:43,623 --> 00:18:45,293 Yesterday. Yesterday. 367 00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:46,501 Yeah. 368 00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:50,165 Oh. 369 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,343 Let me go back in. I'm tired. 370 00:18:56,344 --> 00:18:59,974 ♪♪ 371 00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:05,768 ♪♪ 372 00:19:08,397 --> 00:19:13,187 I just wanted to see how honest he was willing to get. 373 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:17,324 He's been using pills. 374 00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:18,663 Teri: I don't like the fact that Kevin 375 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,868 has prescription drugs in his system. 376 00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:24,328 You know, we're responsible for his safety and well‐being, 377 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:27,500 and he is in full‐blown withdrawal. 378 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,920 He's got ayahuasca running all through him. 379 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:33,299 He's putting us in a really bad spot here, 380 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:37,587 and putting himself in a very dangerous situation. 381 00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:38,893 Ugh. 382 00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:42,516 ♪♪ 383 00:19:47,061 --> 00:19:50,731 ♪♪ 384 00:19:55,236 --> 00:19:56,526 Oh. 385 00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:05,504 Ugh. Oh! 386 00:20:05,496 --> 00:20:09,786 Ugh! Ah. 387 00:20:09,792 --> 00:20:11,252 Oh. 388 00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:13,342 Ugh. Ugh. 389 00:20:13,337 --> 00:20:16,047 When Kevin revealed to Walter that he had taken an opiate 390 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:18,218 the day before our ceremony, 391 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,427 I've got to be honest with you ‐‐ it scared me. 392 00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:26,425 Ayahuasca and opiates can be a deadly combination. 393 00:20:26,434 --> 00:20:28,524 I don't know what opiate he ate. 394 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:30,689 So, now, I've got to shift from shaman, 395 00:20:30,688 --> 00:20:32,568 and I've got to tell my medicine people 396 00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:35,435 we're not so concerned with him spiritually, at the moment, 397 00:20:35,443 --> 00:20:38,403 as we need to be observant for his physical safety. 398 00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:42,371 Teri: Just breathe. 399 00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:43,986 Oh. 400 00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:46,253 When was the last time you used opiates? 401 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:48,785 Teri: If you're not being honest with us, 402 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:50,579 you're kind of tying our hands. 403 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:51,333 I understand. 404 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:59,803 O ♪♪ 405 00:21:01,969 --> 00:21:07,429 ♪♪ 406 00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:13,613 Angela: Today, I'm feeling really tired, really relaxed, really peaceful. 407 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:17,146 I brought Rachel because she is my one and only baby. 408 00:21:17,151 --> 00:21:20,241 Rachel has been through a lot with me. 409 00:21:20,237 --> 00:21:22,697 I remember primarily why I played with Rachel 410 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,658 as a kid was, like, she barely talked. 411 00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:28,539 The only thing she said was almost repeatedly, like, 412 00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:30,117 "I love you, Mommy." 413 00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,042 Because it was nice to be reassured that, 414 00:21:32,041 --> 00:21:35,251 you know, she did love me. 415 00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:37,632 To me, she is real, because I love her. 416 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,630 And when I love someone, that's when I realize, 417 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,882 "Hey, like, they are as real 418 00:21:41,884 --> 00:21:44,894 and as precious as my experiences are." 419 00:21:44,887 --> 00:21:46,967 And I really let that go, now, can I? 420 00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:48,722 [ chuckles ] 421 00:21:48,724 --> 00:21:51,444 Mm. 422 00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:55,185 ♪♪ 423 00:21:58,067 --> 00:22:04,317 Tina: I am feeling very relaxed and still very open from last night. 424 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,543 I feel a little more comforted, even in the little 425 00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:10,905 space and time that I did have with the medicine. 426 00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:15,249 I was loved as a child. 427 00:22:15,251 --> 00:22:20,051 I had a very good upbringing, and a sense of being cared for. 428 00:22:20,047 --> 00:22:22,047 However, early on in my childhood, 429 00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:26,929 there was the sexual abuse that occurred when I was 3. 430 00:22:26,929 --> 00:22:32,229 The man who did it also abused my sister and my mother. 431 00:22:32,226 --> 00:22:35,266 We went to the police, and they didn't believe us. 432 00:22:35,271 --> 00:22:37,271 We actually went to the hospital, 433 00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:40,823 and I remember the doctor, like, blowing bubbles to distract me, 434 00:22:40,818 --> 00:22:43,448 and I was way too young for things 435 00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:45,195 to be going on down in that area. 436 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:49,027 And that, unfortunately, wasn't proof enough. 437 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:52,754 My mom's broken nose wasn't proof. 438 00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:55,366 I feel, because authorities didn't believe us, 439 00:22:55,374 --> 00:23:00,424 I would question, "Am I safe?" or like, "Who do you depend on?" 440 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:03,801 And, uh, definitely caused some trauma years after, 441 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:06,929 and, I would say, still, today. 442 00:23:06,927 --> 00:23:09,097 What I'm looking forward to most after this 443 00:23:09,096 --> 00:23:12,056 is rewiring my brain 444 00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:15,227 to be able to have a different perspective on things 445 00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:17,147 that have happened in my past. 446 00:23:17,146 --> 00:23:20,816 ♪♪ 447 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:26,112 ♪♪ 448 00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:28,283 I try to trust everybody that sits down 449 00:23:28,282 --> 00:23:30,742 in that table one time. 450 00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:32,833 I give them my trust first, 451 00:23:32,828 --> 00:23:35,538 and it's up to them with what they do with it. 452 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:39,079 But that doesn't mean that I'm stuck on stupid, or my team is. 453 00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:42,344 We're listening to every word you're saying. 454 00:23:42,338 --> 00:23:45,718 And that's why we had to stop and hold Kevin accountable. 455 00:23:45,716 --> 00:23:47,376 You didn't tell anybody the truth, 456 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,764 and then, you tried to manipulate your way through. 457 00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:52,142 You were hustling, and Mother Aya 458 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:54,809 was kicking your ass all over the corner. 459 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:57,598 And I'm not sure you can take another night 460 00:23:57,603 --> 00:23:59,983 with Mother Aya in the ring. 461 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:01,110 Please, have a seat. 462 00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:08,163 Last night, I observed you going through 463 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:10,065 some really rough purges. 464 00:24:10,074 --> 00:24:12,284 ‐Mm‐hmm. ‐I mean, some really intense... 465 00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:13,794 ‐To say the least. ‐...withdrawals. 466 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:16,536 ‐Mm‐hmm. ‐Would that be a correct word? 467 00:24:16,538 --> 00:24:18,208 Maybe an understatement. 468 00:24:18,207 --> 00:24:20,127 ‐Okay. ‐It was a rough night. 469 00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:21,835 How do you feel today? 470 00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:23,245 The aches, the pains are gone. 471 00:24:23,253 --> 00:24:25,633 I'm still having some cramping going on. 472 00:24:25,631 --> 00:24:28,681 I'm hoping tonight is a night where I can, you know, 473 00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:31,846 have the gentle hug or whatever. But I'll take whatever I get. 474 00:24:31,845 --> 00:24:33,425 Okay. Let me ask you ‐‐ 475 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:35,310 When was the last time you used opiates? 476 00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:39,645 We're not here to judge you. 477 00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:43,685 We're here to help you. But if you're not being honest with us, 478 00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:45,361 you're kind of tying our hands. 479 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,739 I understand. 480 00:24:46,735 --> 00:24:48,445 You see, like, what if, today, 481 00:24:48,445 --> 00:24:50,985 we were talking to the coroner about Kevin? 482 00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:55,332 In my hotel room the day before we came here, 483 00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:59,207 I took a hydrocodone to kind of curb 484 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:00,996 the withdrawals that were starting to set in. 485 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Why did this not come up until now? 486 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,588 I know that I wasn't completely honest 487 00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:10,629 and up‐front about the fact that I was going to be detoxing. 488 00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:13,184 I didn't want to lose the opportunity. 489 00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:15,888 Right now, I have no idea what's in your system. 490 00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:17,769 I know what you're telling me, 491 00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:21,896 and I know what you told me the whole application process. 492 00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:26,145 Every glass we hand out, we risk everything we own, 493 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:29,700 which means we have to be able to trust who we're working with, 494 00:25:29,695 --> 00:25:32,605 because there's no ayahuasca insurance. 495 00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:36,874 There's no liability insurance you can purchase for DMT. 496 00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:38,659 So, we risk, all of us, 497 00:25:38,662 --> 00:25:41,002 everything we own with every cup, 498 00:25:40,998 --> 00:25:43,878 that your honesty is that important, 499 00:25:43,876 --> 00:25:48,586 because people have died in this country by careless operators. 500 00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:53,049 So, tonight, we can't work with you, 501 00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:56,972 and I'm going to have Walter and Nik assist 502 00:25:56,972 --> 00:26:01,562 in helping you be escorted from the ceremonial premises. 503 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,730 Thank you so much. ‐Thank you. 504 00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:06,018 ‐I'm sorry, Kevin. ‐I'm sorry. 505 00:26:06,023 --> 00:26:07,823 No hard feelings whatsoever. 506 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,239 It's never easy for me to make that final call 507 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,290 to throw somebody out of a ceremony. 508 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:19,905 I mean, it's really difficult for me. 509 00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:21,832 Because I wanted to help heal Kevin. 510 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:23,670 I wanted to be a part of that. 511 00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:27,085 Mother Aya did, too. But I can't risk Kevin, 512 00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,256 and I can't risk Mother's existence in America 513 00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:32,755 for Kevin's lack of concern. 514 00:26:36,345 --> 00:26:37,845 Kevin: My general feeling, right now, 515 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:41,426 is just a feeling of disappointment in myself. 516 00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:44,273 The one thing that I'll take out of this is, 517 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:48,649 it did give me the opportunity to be completely open and honest 518 00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:51,569 with my partner, who has been my rock. 519 00:26:51,568 --> 00:26:55,318 And I had a tough conversation with my fiance 520 00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,992 about why I was here. 521 00:26:57,991 --> 00:27:00,241 He found out about the heroin use just today. 522 00:27:00,244 --> 00:27:01,874 He didn't know anything about it. 523 00:27:01,870 --> 00:27:04,620 And I said things in my interviews 524 00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,213 and on camera that I hadn't told anybody. 525 00:27:07,209 --> 00:27:08,499 So, I think, at the very least, 526 00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:11,092 the circle of lies has been broken. 527 00:27:11,088 --> 00:27:14,718 ♪♪ 528 00:27:16,927 --> 00:27:18,797 Steve: It happened. He got away with it. 529 00:27:18,804 --> 00:27:21,394 It sucks. And it just is. 530 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,810 And just cut that ... knot, and let it go. 531 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,030 O0 ♪♪ 532 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,700 ♪♪ 533 00:27:41,702 --> 00:27:44,582 I want to address why Kevin is not here. 534 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,000 And that is because we had some inconsistencies 535 00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,829 with the information that he provided, 536 00:27:48,834 --> 00:27:51,674 and we cannot safely proceed. 537 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,670 Not the way we wanted it, but it just is. 538 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,473 And so, I've learned, you just roll with it. 539 00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:59,297 But that's how we'll be rolling tonight. 540 00:27:59,303 --> 00:28:02,603 Tonight, we expect you to have a deeper experience. 541 00:28:02,598 --> 00:28:04,428 This ain't no little thing. 542 00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:07,393 It's sometimes scary. It's, most of the times, intense. 543 00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:09,234 But at the end of the day, 544 00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:12,899 I know nothing that will put you further down your path 545 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,860 than these 2 days with this medicine right here. 546 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:19,571 ♪♪ 547 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:27,002 Tina is here because she has suffered child abuse 548 00:28:26,997 --> 00:28:31,337 and sexual abuse early in her life. 549 00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:32,915 She went to the police. 550 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,590 She did everything right, and no one does a thing. 551 00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:43,428 So, we set up an arena of introspection. 552 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:45,310 I want to use colored lights and mirrors 553 00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:48,187 to bring different viewpoints as she's looking at herself 554 00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,345 to see the good within Tina. 555 00:28:50,354 --> 00:28:54,524 I want to take Tina deep within herself so she can make peace, 556 00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,534 so she can embrace all of herself. 557 00:28:57,527 --> 00:28:59,607 And just please have a seat. 558 00:28:59,613 --> 00:29:04,833 We're gonna guide her to a different view of Tina. 559 00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:08,706 The acorn that held the tree that is behind you held 560 00:29:08,705 --> 00:29:14,035 everything that that tree needed to become what you see now, 561 00:29:14,044 --> 00:29:18,924 just as you were complete at the moment of conception. 562 00:29:18,924 --> 00:29:23,104 That's part of finding your inner wholeness. 563 00:29:23,095 --> 00:29:28,265 The foundation of all depression is anger turned inward. 564 00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:32,226 What were you angry at yourself about? 565 00:29:32,229 --> 00:29:35,109 At the fact that he got away and that it was in part 566 00:29:35,107 --> 00:29:38,277 because I couldn't tell the police what happened. 567 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:42,780 You did everything right, 568 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:46,161 and the world was wrong at that moment. 569 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:50,749 You can't change that. 570 00:29:50,747 --> 00:29:52,747 It happened. He got away with it. 571 00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:55,919 It sucks. And it just is. 572 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:58,669 But you can fight that battle for the rest of your life, 573 00:29:58,672 --> 00:30:01,762 and throw away a lot of good things trying to figure it out, 574 00:30:01,758 --> 00:30:05,098 and go through the conundrums and the mental gymnastics. 575 00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:09,975 Or you can just cut that ... knot, and let it go, 576 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:13,935 and move on with your life as you reconstruct it. 577 00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:16,607 And that is the gift you can give Tina. 578 00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:21,316 ♪♪ 579 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,859 What's the Tina that's looking back at you right now? 580 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:33,166 Strong, and has a lot of courage. 581 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:37,665 I love my openness, and my ability 582 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:45,549 to see things from other views, and my love for people. 583 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:49,932 I see a Tina who ain't looked away one moment, not one moment. 584 00:30:49,931 --> 00:30:52,771 Ain't looked down. Ain't looked up. 585 00:30:52,768 --> 00:30:55,978 She has sat here and bravely and courageously 586 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:58,569 looked dead in her own eyes. 587 00:31:01,068 --> 00:31:06,658 Teri: And I want you to think of how far you have come. 588 00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:09,576 And I want you to remind yourself 589 00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:16,036 that, you know, you no longer need to cope in unhealthy ways. 590 00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:21,511 And I want you to just think of how much you love yourself, 591 00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,755 and how good you have done thus far. 592 00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:27,138 It's not often that we sit and look at ourselves, you know ‐‐ 593 00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:29,595 like, really look at ourselves. 594 00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:34,426 And I think with, you know, all of the... 595 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:36,064 the positive things 596 00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:38,021 that were brought to her attention at that time, 597 00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:42,361 and the fact that the ayahuasca was starting to kick in on her, 598 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,609 you know, it just kind of amplified those good things. 599 00:31:45,612 --> 00:31:49,532 And I think she really needed that. 600 00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:51,243 Tina: I could feel Mother Ayahuasca 601 00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:52,873 move through me. 602 00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:54,749 I stepped into that ‐‐ 603 00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:59,416 that other realm of being deeper inside within my mind and ‐‐ 604 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:01,837 and soul ‐‐ and just, more connected. 605 00:32:04,798 --> 00:32:07,588 In that setting, I was starting to feel, 606 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:11,682 like, very airy, and colors were just more vibrant. 607 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,020 And I saw, like, yellows, pinks and purples 608 00:32:15,016 --> 00:32:18,016 that were in symmetry of, like, squares, 609 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:21,019 and they were all connected, going different ways. 610 00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:24,152 I felt like, I could, like, touch it, but not. 611 00:32:24,151 --> 00:32:28,241 And I, you know, was viewing it, yet I was, like, a part of it. 612 00:32:28,238 --> 00:32:30,318 Inside that journey I was going through, 613 00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:34,293 I felt like I was, like, a seed in the ground. 614 00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:37,326 And any time I felt like I was ready to grow, 615 00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:39,120 I wanted to shed it back. 616 00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:41,044 Like, I wasn't ready to sprout yet. 617 00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:45,836 And then, after a while, 618 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,799 I just kind of felt like I was being held. 619 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,100 I just was curled up in a ball, and I felt so comfortable, 620 00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:56,095 and just, like, "You got this," and "You can do it." 621 00:32:56,099 --> 00:32:59,349 And I do have a great, big life ahead of me. 622 00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:00,942 This is just the start. 623 00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:07,525 18 years you've had this baby. 624 00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:08,737 That's nuts. Holy crap. 625 00:33:08,737 --> 00:33:10,737 She's a grown‐up now. 626 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:11,909 Do you care if I hold Rachel? 627 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:23,501 O0 C1 ♪♪ 628 00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:25,051 [ Angela laughs ] 629 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:29,335 Steve: Angela is one of the most interesting cases 630 00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,131 that I have worked with. 631 00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:32,684 The baby that she carries with her 632 00:33:32,677 --> 00:33:34,717 has become a symbol of her security, 633 00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:36,221 which is the prison around her, 634 00:33:36,223 --> 00:33:38,353 which does not allow her to heal. 635 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:39,890 That baby represents everything. 636 00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:41,353 It represents trauma. 637 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:43,693 It represents love. It represents hate. 638 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,358 It represents a little girl crying herself to sleep, 639 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:49,238 wondering why the people she should trust hurts her. 640 00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:50,776 Teri: Are you ready to go, darling? 641 00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:52,359 It saw it all. 642 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:54,534 It held her when no one else would, 643 00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:57,122 it listened to her when no one else could, 644 00:33:57,118 --> 00:34:01,748 and it took her abuse when no one else could even see it. 645 00:34:01,748 --> 00:34:05,168 It was the reason that she got through that madness 646 00:34:05,168 --> 00:34:06,878 that was her childhood. 647 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:10,418 But now, she's an adult, 648 00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:13,183 and no matter what happened in her childhood, 649 00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:16,846 I've got to get her to move forward. 650 00:34:16,846 --> 00:34:19,886 Let's start with who you brought in here with us. 651 00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:21,851 And tell me a little bit about this baby. 652 00:34:21,851 --> 00:34:23,651 This is Rachel. 653 00:34:23,645 --> 00:34:26,435 Okay. And so, I take it your mom gave you this baby? 654 00:34:26,439 --> 00:34:28,529 For my 6th birthday. 655 00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:30,645 Your 6th birthday. And how old are you again? 656 00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:32,112 Um, I'm 24. 657 00:34:32,112 --> 00:34:33,362 ‐You're 24. ‐I may not act it, 658 00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:34,663 but I am 24. ‐Okay. 659 00:34:34,656 --> 00:34:37,576 So, 18 years you've had this baby. 660 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:39,485 Wow! That's nuts. 661 00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:41,374 Yeah. Holy crap. 662 00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:43,371 She's a grown‐up now. 663 00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:45,463 She's an actual adult. 664 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:47,418 So, what does this baby mean to you? 665 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,249 Because, I mean, for you to bring it here 666 00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,974 and carry it with you for 18 years... 667 00:34:51,965 --> 00:34:54,875 I remember when my mom first brought her, 668 00:34:54,884 --> 00:34:56,434 I thought she was a real baby. 669 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,048 So, obviously, you had a beautiful 670 00:34:58,054 --> 00:34:59,764 relationship with your mother. 671 00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:01,524 Where was your father? 672 00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:03,346 Oh. 673 00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:08,861 I had the antonym of beautiful relationship with my father. 674 00:35:08,857 --> 00:35:11,107 So, he was there half the time. 675 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,609 ‐Okay. ‐It was just not the best half for me. 676 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:16,662 Tell me you went through with your mom and dad. 677 00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:19,446 I know ‐‐ I can tell by how ‐‐ the moment I said "your dad," 678 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:20,791 everything shifted. 679 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,945 [ Giggles ] 680 00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,674 ‐So, tell me what's happened. ‐Um... 681 00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:29,415 Or if you have to, tell me what Rachel has seen. 682 00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:31,209 Rachel didn't have to see most of it, 683 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:33,342 because I, being the parent I am, 684 00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:36,180 decided to not show her most of it. 685 00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:37,506 Do you care if I hold Rachel? 686 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:38,760 Oh, yeah. That's fine. 687 00:35:38,762 --> 00:35:40,852 Here. 688 00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:42,717 Let's say you were talking to Rachel. 689 00:35:42,724 --> 00:35:44,604 ‐Uh‐huh. ‐Rachel has experienced 690 00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:47,021 everything that you've experienced. 691 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:52,030 What would you say to Rachel that would help her the most? 692 00:35:52,025 --> 00:35:53,525 [ Voice breaking ] "You didn't deserve any of it." 693 00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:57,855 "Hang in there. It gets a lot better, 694 00:35:57,864 --> 00:35:59,704 but very little by little, 695 00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:03,999 and certainly doesn't feel like it's worth it at times. 696 00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:05,455 But if you hang in there... 697 00:36:05,455 --> 00:36:07,285 And it takes time, doesn't it? 698 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:09,880 ‐Yeah. ‐And you've gotten better from where you were, 699 00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:11,876 haven't you? ‐Uh‐huh. 700 00:36:11,878 --> 00:36:13,208 It's unbelievable. 701 00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,303 You're not less than whole. 702 00:36:15,298 --> 00:36:17,468 You're a beautiful, vibrant person. 703 00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:18,927 Thank you. 704 00:36:18,927 --> 00:36:21,347 And I feel that you have come a long way 705 00:36:21,346 --> 00:36:24,596 in your personal demons and struggles. 706 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,639 And that's what brought us here together. 707 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:28,103 Uh‐huh. 708 00:36:28,103 --> 00:36:31,313 ...was for us to move further forward. 709 00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:34,534 Now, I see you're starting to feel some of the ayahuasca, 710 00:36:34,526 --> 00:36:36,236 because your eyes are dilated, really. 711 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:37,606 I...They are? 712 00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:38,782 Yeah. They're starting to dilate. 713 00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:40,410 That's all good. ‐No. 714 00:36:40,407 --> 00:36:43,027 I feel weird. 715 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,124 So, I'm gonna help you back downstairs, 716 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,910 But before you do, I want you to remember ‐‐ 717 00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:52,254 no matter what you think has been wrong in the past, 718 00:36:52,252 --> 00:36:54,552 today is the first day of the rest of your life. 719 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:55,916 ‐Yeah. ‐And we're going to ‐‐ 720 00:36:55,922 --> 00:36:58,092 we're going to let those things go... 721 00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:00,301 ‐Thank you. ‐...because you deserve it, and so does Rachel. 722 00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:01,471 Thank you. 723 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:08,346 Angela: Doing that one‐on‐one time with Steve, 724 00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:11,271 I was struck by this sense of, 725 00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:14,521 "Everything is going to be okay, and you're in good hands." 726 00:37:14,524 --> 00:37:17,114 And normally, I can't feel those emotions. 727 00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:22,070 But I felt as if I could let go. 728 00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,033 Mother Aya made me feel like, 729 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:27,333 "Hey, this is how you're supposed to feel." 730 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:33,248 And then, I noticed that 731 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:36,211 I had a hole in my chest ‐‐ a very dark hole. 732 00:37:36,212 --> 00:37:38,472 I was completely dark. 733 00:37:38,465 --> 00:37:40,425 So, I just reached my hand in, 734 00:37:40,425 --> 00:37:44,095 and suddenly, I did find another hand. 735 00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:48,175 But it turns out, it was a severed hand. 736 00:37:48,183 --> 00:37:50,143 I always held hope until now, like, 737 00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:52,523 the old Angela will be back. 738 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,360 Everything will be the way it was before things happened. 739 00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,397 And I guess it was kind of a way of showing me 740 00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:01,071 that it wouldn't be. 741 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:05,160 I could see that the hand was still growing a little 742 00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:08,578 into a tree of some sort. And I realized that, 743 00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:14,078 "Hey, this is my true self, and it's still growing." 744 00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:19,213 It turned all that suffering and all that loneliness 745 00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:22,134 into something that has meaning again. 746 00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:33,267 O0 C1 ♪♪ 747 00:38:33,269 --> 00:38:35,689 Tina: Being so hyper‐vigilant my whole life 748 00:38:35,688 --> 00:38:37,688 from what has happened to me, 749 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,650 you know, I think the medicine was giving me what I needed, 750 00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,492 which is rest and calm. 751 00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:46,318 I absolutely feel less anxious, and it's almost weird. 752 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:47,914 I'm like, "Where is my anxiety at?" 753 00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:49,699 [ Chuckles ] 754 00:38:49,702 --> 00:38:52,372 Today, I actually really haven't felt nervous at all. 755 00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:56,292 So, that's awesome. 756 00:38:56,292 --> 00:39:00,052 Angela: Ayahuasca is the game‐changer. 757 00:39:00,046 --> 00:39:02,586 This is the first time in my life 758 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,470 I have not felt like a mess. 759 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:05,797 Hey! ‐Hey! 760 00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:07,762 How are you doing? Good to see you. 761 00:39:07,762 --> 00:39:09,642 Please, have a seat. 762 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,429 Steve: You took a big step last night, 763 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:14,192 putting that baby on its own bed. 764 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:17,265 How did it feel, having your own space? 765 00:39:17,272 --> 00:39:20,822 It was...nice, actually. 766 00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:25,277 I felt like I used Rachel as an emotional support all my life. 767 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,660 Mm‐hmm. And she served you well. 768 00:39:27,657 --> 00:39:30,697 Yeah. She ‐‐ she was a good baby. 769 00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:32,542 Can I ask you to take one more larger step? 770 00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:34,327 Yes. 771 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,170 Can I put your baby on my altar for the duration? 772 00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:37,745 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. 773 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,420 And that will also symbolize to many other people 774 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:41,840 who have been in your shoes 775 00:39:41,838 --> 00:39:44,628 that's gonna come through this door, 776 00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:48,852 the healing that can be had with us 777 00:39:48,845 --> 00:39:52,555 by moving through these steps of evolution and progression, 778 00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:54,887 because that's exactly what you have just done. 779 00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:58,193 ‐Yeah. ‐And I am so proud of you. 780 00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:00,647 ‐Thank you. ‐Give me a hug. 781 00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:02,358 I love you so much. 782 00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:04,688 I love you too, and I can't wait to hear from you. 783 00:40:04,694 --> 00:40:06,954 ‐Okay. ‐You are so special. 784 00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:09,946 Steve: It was the most trusting thing she could ever do, 785 00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:14,159 was give me that baby. And that meant so much to me. 786 00:40:14,162 --> 00:40:17,792 That meant so much to her, to be able to have somebody 787 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:21,960 to give this symbol of guilt, pain. 788 00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:25,591 And she handed it to me to hold for her, 789 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:30,090 and to use it to help others with. 790 00:40:30,094 --> 00:40:32,724 With those steps, there, guess what? 791 00:40:32,722 --> 00:40:34,432 She's no longer a victim. 792 00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:36,352 She's no longer a survivor. 793 00:40:36,351 --> 00:40:40,061 She is an intact, whole human being. 794 00:40:40,063 --> 00:40:42,273 This is really a day of fulfillment for us. 795 00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:44,613 The end of the ceremony, when we know we're letting you 796 00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:46,649 go back out into the world 797 00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:50,703 with a whole different dynamic, perspective, spirit, rebirth, 798 00:40:50,698 --> 00:40:53,238 and coping skills and mechanics to help you deal with 799 00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:55,622 the rough patches that may come up in your life ‐‐ 800 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:59,420 as they surely will, because it's life. 801 00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:02,835 My takeaway from this experience is, I'm loved, 802 00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:05,955 and I need to treat myself as such. 803 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:07,634 Yeah. Group hug. 804 00:41:07,632 --> 00:41:10,762 I want to, um, just kind of redirect my focus, 805 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,470 and remember how I feel right now. 806 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,220 Behave yourself, you hear me? 807 00:41:14,222 --> 00:41:15,852 You know, I want to move forward in a more positive way, 808 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,478 and I really would like to use this 809 00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:22,355 as a restart to move forward with a better life. 810 00:41:22,355 --> 00:41:24,355 Thank you. Safe travels. 811 00:41:24,357 --> 00:41:25,687 Bye‐bye, now. Thank you. 812 00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:27,112 Safe travels. 813 00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:28,280 Thank you, Angela. ‐Thank you. 814 00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:31,197 Safe travels. 815 00:41:31,197 --> 00:41:34,987 Angela: It does feel like I'm leaving a piece of myself behind. 816 00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:36,703 But instead of feeling lost, 817 00:41:36,703 --> 00:41:39,913 like I normally would when I leave anything 818 00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:41,924 I care about behind, 819 00:41:41,916 --> 00:41:46,046 it feels more like the natural progression to the next step. 820 00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:52,717 Teri: Ayahuasca, to me, helps us nurture ourselves 821 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,469 because it allows us to look within ourselves. 822 00:41:57,473 --> 00:42:01,103 And I think that's beautiful. 823 00:42:01,102 --> 00:42:05,022 Angela: Ayahuasca is exactly what I needed. 824 00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:06,863 This is the sort of Angela 825 00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:09,688 that I feel is an actual change, 826 00:42:09,694 --> 00:42:13,824 as in I can't go back to square one anymore, 827 00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:16,413 because square one no longer exists. 828 00:42:19,162 --> 00:42:21,912 Steve: Mother Aya taught me this round that, sometimes, 829 00:42:21,914 --> 00:42:24,424 I have to practice restraint. 830 00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:27,707 Other times, I must take it to the mat. 831 00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:29,422 And every time, 832 00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:33,382 I don't know what's gonna happen until it happens. 833 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:36,014 And really, Mother Aya has taught me 834 00:42:36,012 --> 00:42:39,812 to accept the unknown of existence, 835 00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:45,857 to stay in the now, and to allow the chaos of life to unfold. 836 00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:49,605 ♪♪ 837 00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:57,782 ♪♪ 838 00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:04,253 Since leaving Aya Quest, 839 00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:07,628 I've noticed that my vision has changed in how I see myself. 840 00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:10,457 I feel that my heart is lighter and has expanded, 841 00:43:10,463 --> 00:43:13,883 creating new space for self‐love and gratitude. 842 00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:17,603 ♪♪ 843 00:43:20,556 --> 00:43:24,226 ♪♪ 844 00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:30,436 Since leaving Aya Quest, a lot has changed. 845 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:33,691 First, I'm applying to grad‐school programs 846 00:43:33,694 --> 00:43:36,284 for a Master's in social work. 847 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,700 My friends said that I matured 5 years overnight. 848 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,370 I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, 849 00:43:41,369 --> 00:43:43,539 but I assume that's a good thing, too. 850 00:43:43,538 --> 00:43:46,868 And, hmm, I just feel like 851 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,384 I'm no longer transported to the past, 852 00:43:49,377 --> 00:43:51,997 and it's something that happened to me 853 00:43:52,004 --> 00:43:54,264 but isn't me anymore. 854 00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:57,887 ♪♪ 855 00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:02,641 ♪♪ 62910

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