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In 1984,
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a movie came along
that lulled everyone into…
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a lifelong phobia about going to bed.
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And that movie…
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Nightmare on Elm Street.
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You could say it to anybody,
and they've heard of it.
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Of course, they have.
Because once you see Freddy Krueger…
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I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy.
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…you can't really unsee him.
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It's so horrible.
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But getting to see
this movie in the first place…
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We're, like, totally gonna die.
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…well, that was
the biggest nightmare of all.
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The company was in financial trouble.
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But slashed budgets…
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You work without pay for a week.
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…didn't frighten this movie's director.
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Wes was a philosopher and a mad scientist.
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But Nightmare on Elm Street
wasn't just Wes Craven's baby.
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It was Bob Shaye's product, ultimately.
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This movie gave birth to a studio…
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Everything was riding on this movie.
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…and a creative tussle…
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There were arguments.
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…that got pretty icky.
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Wes did not want those stairs.
Bob was gonna have those stairs.
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Really?
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Well, one thing's for sure,
Nightmare on Elm Street is…
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So cheap and so awful.
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No, it's one of the most iconic…
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They loved it.
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…terrifying…
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I remember a lot of screaming.
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I think they said, "Run!"
…gory…
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It's gushing, you know,
more blood, more blood.
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…sleep disorder inducing movies ever made.
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This film is fucked, but that was
the most fun I've had in a long time.
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These are The Movies That…
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Made... Made Us?
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Why's it stopped?
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Well, while we have pause...
It's going again.
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It's worth mentioning
that many of the movies that did make us
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are all thanks to this contraption:
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the humble VCR.
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And not only
did it greatly impact our lives…
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but it also impacted
the movie business itself.
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And one genre in particular.
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What I find fascinating
about the '80s was how
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these horror films got made because
the video cassette market arrived,
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and suddenly there was a new marketplace.
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A new marketplace
that became very saturated, very quickly.
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By 1983, the slasher film was…
getting a little bit long in the tooth.
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People were kind of seeing
the same thing over and over.
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It was just a matter of taking,
you know, character X against, you know,
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whatever villain you had
and whatever weapon they wielded.
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It was all becoming very formulaic.
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That is until Nightmare on Elm Street.
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This horrific tale…
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…about four pals…
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I had a hard-on this morning
when I woke up.
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…who were relentlessly hunted
by Freddy Krueger…
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Come to Freddy.
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…a mattress dwelling…
No!
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…knitwear loving burns victim,
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who viciously hunts the teens
in the ultimate nightmare scenario…
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He's after us in our dreams.
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…whilst having
a terrific time along the way.
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There's a guy who likes his work.
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But Freddy meets his match
in the form of Nancy Thompson…
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Screw sleep!
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…who lures him into the real world,
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where she brings the hammer down…
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…on Freddy's now quite sensitive tum-tum,
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and puts this incredibly bad bad guy
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to bed for good.
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Only kidding. He's unkillable.
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The end. Or, is it?
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Well, for us and the story
of The Nightmare on Elm Street,
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it's just the beginning.
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A feeling shared by wannabe producer
and bigwig Bob Shaye,
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who was just starting out
in his film career.
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But he wouldn't be wannabe for long.
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Well, I mean, there was this part of him
that looked kind of like a fast-talking
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kind of a New York businessman.
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But at this point
in the mid '70s, looks could be deceiving.
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Bob started by distributing
Reefer Madness.
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He discovered that
the copyright was off on Reefer Madness.
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But if church-funded
anti-marijuana movies weren't your thing,
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why, don't worry, Bob had you covered.
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He would have
a trunk full of B and C movies.
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He'd take 'em around and rent them
to the colleges for the weekend,
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and it just seemed like he was, you know,
the kind of watch salesman in New York
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who would open his coat
and have a bunch of watches.
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He was, like, that guy.
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But with the inside of his coat
filled with heavy 16-millimeter prints,
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Bob Shaye needed help.
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So, I applied for the job
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and I said that I was
a little more experienced than I was,
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and he said,
"Good, I wanna get into production,
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so you can run it."
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So, leaving Sara
to work out how to run it,
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we now need to talk
about Nightmare on Elm Street's
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other most important figure,
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Wes Craven.
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Wes was, to me,
like a combination of a college professor,
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a philosopher, and a mad scientist.
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And this young combination
would soon change everything.
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Sorry, young-ish.
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Wes Craven's career began
later in life, you know.
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He was in his thirties
when he decided to move to New York City
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to get in the film industry.
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The new normal
was struggling as an editor,
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working on oddball movies,
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and then aligning himself
with Sean Cunningham,
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when they did scandalous pictures.
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"Scandalous" meaning
exceptionally well-made adult movies,
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such as 1975's classic, Fireworks Woman,
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which Wes Craven wrote and starred in.
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Well, not like that.
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Just this fetching cameo as Abe Snake,
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which is far from what
his religiously conservative parents
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had in mind for young Abe.
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Sorry. Wes.
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He had grown up in the Midwest
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in a very religious house,
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and not only couldn't
he go see horror movies,
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but he couldn't go see any movies.
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And he was very intellectual,
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and looked very much like
a conservative pastor.
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But then when you'd read what he wrote…
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you'd realize he had quite an imagination.
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An imagination that was
very much on display
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in The Last House on the Left,
which he wrote and directed.
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It's a very mean film.
Torture and rape, and eventually murder.
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You guys gotta be crazy, man.
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And the next movie he made,
it wasn't much better.
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A cannibal family that lives in the hills.
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I'll eat the brains of your kid's kids.
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Wes was definitely living another life
through his writing, that's for sure.
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Is that a baby?
You be a good dog, you'll get some.
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While his first films came
straight from Wes's dark imagination…
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his next movie would come from nightmares.
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Specifically other people's.
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Who?
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There was an article in the L.A. Times
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about this Cambodian situation
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where they could
actually foresee their death
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or die in their dreams.
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A situation concerning
a group of young Cambodians
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who fled the horrors of the Khmer Rouge.
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And they were sponsored…
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by religious groups
in the Midwest of America.
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And Cambodians, if they have a nightmare,
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they often wake up in the night
and write it down, or even paint it.
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And they purge the nightmare that way.
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Uncomfortable with
that huge cultural shift,
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they were unable to wake up
and purge themselves of the nightmares
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and some of them
were dying in their sleep.
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And this mysterious, dark story…
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Literally dying from their nightmares.
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…awakened an idea.
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What if somebody was
killing people in their sleep?
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And that's where Freddy Krueger was… born.
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Filled with nightmarish inspiration,
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Wes began fleshing out this new character.
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But as it turned out, most of his ideas
were not so new after all.
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When he was a child,
he saw a man that was horribly burned,
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and that image terrified him forever.
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As did Freddy's hat.
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It was the hat of a drunk walking down
the street that scared me as a kid.
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Even the name Freddy Krueger…
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It was as a schoolyard bully
named Fred Krueger
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that used to torment Wes as a child.
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Freddy used to beat me up
quite frequently.
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Wes straight-up named him Freddy Krueger.
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Even has his name written in it.
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Like, you know,
"You asshole, I'm getting you back."
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And with his revenge tale
committed to paper,
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esteemed up-and-coming auteur
of horror cinema
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had his script ready
to roll straight into production.
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I guess, you know, in a way,
it was a little bit ahead of its time.
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And, unfortunately,
Wes's nightmare wasn't coming true.
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No studio would touch it.
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And even his friend and collaborator
Sean Cunningham had his reservations.
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Like most people reading the script,
I was very concerned
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if an audience was willing
to go along with the premise…
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Don't fall asleep in there.
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…that dreams could interact
in the real world.
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But as time passed on,
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Wes was getting a taste
of the real world himself.
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Wes had been shopping the script
for years,
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and nobody wanted to do it except Bob.
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"Bob"?
Bob Shaye.
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Yes, Bob, who was still
looking for a movie to make.
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He absolutely adored the script.
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Nobody had seen
the potential in it that Bob did.
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And for Bob, who was looking
to make the switch from film dealer…
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Try one of these.
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…to film producer,
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Nightmare on Elm Street had the potential
to grow his budding operation.
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Well, New Line was an independent company.
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Bob put his own money into things,
and the company was struggling.
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But Bob was hooked.
He wanted to make movies.
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So, Bob and his fledgling company
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agreed to fund Wes Craven's nightmare
for just a little over a million dollars.
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The only thing Bob needed now
was just a little over a million dollars.
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Bob had to get the money together,
and this was the hard part.
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Bob put the company on the line,
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and really, his life
on the line for this film.
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And that was terrifying.
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We met at my apartment,
up in the Hollywood Hills.
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Wes and Bob.
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Bob was saying, "If this film doesn't go,
New Line is over."
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"This is a make-or-break situation."
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"I'm counting on you guys
to pull this off."
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I said, "You got it, Bob.
We're gonna do it."
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And they'd do it for free,
at least for the time being.
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I was keeping Wes aboard,
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while we could not pay him
any money to stay on board.
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So, it was a matter of just making sure
Wes and his agent were confident
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that we were gonna make this movie
while we put the money together.
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So, with Bob in the Big Apple
looking for funding,
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Sara joined Wes in L.A. to begin casting.
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Wes felt very strongly
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that he wanted to hire an actor
to play Freddy Krueger.
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He didn't want the bad guy
that just were, like, stuntmen.
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For something more than
your run-of-the-mill masked murderer,
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Craven went above and…
beyond when he cast this man.
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My name is Robert Englund,
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and I portrayed
the dream demon Freddy Krueger.
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But before he was Freddy, he was…
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Willie!
…Willie.
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I was the comedy relief alien on a show,
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that became the number one miniseries
of all time, called V.
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Get outta the way, damn stupid alien.
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And overnight, I was international.
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An overnight international sensation.
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Yes!
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Robert Englund was not well-known
at the time.
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I don't know who he is.
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Okay, well, at least someone
was recognized in this arrangement.
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I hear Wes Craven's name
and that lights me up a bit.
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That and two other words.
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Makeup.
That's actually one word.
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Not one to shy away
from putting on a face…
246
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Well, you know,
I have a strange face, anyway.
247
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All day long, I've been seeing
that guy's weird face.
248
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…it was the perfect canvas
for Freddy Krueger.
249
00:12:28,788 --> 00:12:29,999
And at his audition,
250
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Robert was looking
to smoke the competition.
251
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I'd even put a little bit of cigarette ash
with my saliva under my eyes,
252
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to sink my eyes a little bit,
253
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and with my hair greased back,
254
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I actually used the dipstick
under the hood of my car.
255
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I think there was just something
they saw they could work with.
256
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And, as if cigarette ash
and dipstick smearings weren't enough…
257
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Halfway through listening to him,
I played a trick, I tried not to blink.
258
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I just played the staring game with Wes,
and I think that might've helped.
259
00:12:58,027 --> 00:13:01,777
Robert's greasy,
ash-spattered, unblinking stare
260
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must've cast some kind of magical spell.
261
00:13:03,865 --> 00:13:05,865
Because he was scary, that's why.
262
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By the time I got home,
there was a message.
263
00:13:07,952 --> 00:13:10,962
And they wanted him
for more than one movie.
264
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He was a very distinctive character,
265
00:13:13,833 --> 00:13:18,514
and we wanted to sign him
for several, in case the series took off.
266
00:13:18,588 --> 00:13:20,548
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves,
267
00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:23,722
because there was another lead character
that needed casting.
268
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Who the hell is that?
269
00:13:24,845 --> 00:13:27,254
Someone less grimy and more inspired
270
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by the putrid swamp waters
of Wes Craven's 1982 movie, Swamp Thing.
271
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When Wes Craven's daughter
watched Swamp Thing,
272
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she said to her dad…
273
00:13:38,107 --> 00:13:41,107
"Dad, why do women
always have to fall down?"
274
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"We women aren't that stupid or clumsy."
275
00:13:44,823 --> 00:13:46,124
And so, henceforth…
276
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Not only does he not have the women slip
and fall when the monster's pursuing them,
277
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they actually stand up and fight back.
278
00:13:53,081 --> 00:13:55,381
So, thanks to Wes Craven's daughter,
279
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struggling 19-year-old actress
Heather Langenkamp
280
00:13:58,379 --> 00:14:02,969
was about to get a really good role,
which in turn was thanks to her dad.
281
00:14:03,049 --> 00:14:05,049
My dad had lent me $5,000
282
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to kinda see how long it would last for me
to kind of live in L.A.
283
00:14:09,056 --> 00:14:10,596
I knew it was running out,
284
00:14:10,682 --> 00:14:13,482
so I was willing
to do pretty much anything.
285
00:14:14,519 --> 00:14:16,649
Well, maybe not anything, but…
286
00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:18,690
So you can imagine Heather's relief
287
00:14:18,774 --> 00:14:22,443
when she was called in to audition
for the lead role of Nancy.
288
00:14:22,528 --> 00:14:23,607
And then Amanda Wyss…
289
00:14:23,696 --> 00:14:25,566
Yes.
…had been brought in with me.
290
00:14:25,655 --> 00:14:28,405
And they told her to read the part
of Tina,
291
00:14:28,491 --> 00:14:31,871
and it was a really nice scene
of a girl with her best friend.
292
00:14:31,953 --> 00:14:33,754
It didn't seem at all like a horror movie.
293
00:14:33,831 --> 00:14:35,331
That's amazing, you saying that.
294
00:14:35,415 --> 00:14:38,086
The four of us kids
were called back together,
295
00:14:38,168 --> 00:14:40,048
and we all liked each other instantly.
296
00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:44,469
After we were done, Wes said,
"Congratulations, you got the part."
297
00:14:44,549 --> 00:14:45,549
Good.
298
00:14:45,592 --> 00:14:48,352
Of course, Johnny was adorable.
Whoo!
299
00:14:48,428 --> 00:14:51,639
That would be young,
aspiring musician, Johnny Depp.
300
00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:55,024
I felt like I can pretend
to be his girlfriend, you know.
301
00:14:55,101 --> 00:14:57,402
But for the final seal of approval…
302
00:14:57,479 --> 00:15:00,188
Wes Craven's daughter got one look at him
303
00:15:00,274 --> 00:15:03,783
and said, "Dad, I'm gonna run away
from home if you don't cast him."
304
00:15:04,403 --> 00:15:06,863
And rightly so. He's, you know, lovely.
305
00:15:06,947 --> 00:15:09,947
And as for Nancy's lovely parents…
306
00:15:10,033 --> 00:15:11,543
Hello to you too, Donald.
307
00:15:12,285 --> 00:15:13,115
Marge.
308
00:15:13,202 --> 00:15:17,633
They were able to convince Ronee Blakley
and John Saxon to take those roles.
309
00:15:17,707 --> 00:15:19,288
Call me if you need anything, okay?
310
00:15:19,375 --> 00:15:22,046
Ronee had gotten
an Academy Award nomination for Nashville.
311
00:15:22,129 --> 00:15:23,168
Thank you.
All right.
312
00:15:23,254 --> 00:15:24,125
John was John.
313
00:15:24,213 --> 00:15:26,683
But this Enter the Dragon heavy hitter
314
00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:29,798
was something
of a horror icon in his own right…
315
00:15:30,386 --> 00:15:33,307
having already starred
in numerous cult films.
316
00:15:33,389 --> 00:15:34,850
Blood Beach.
317
00:15:34,933 --> 00:15:37,734
When you thought it was safe
to go in the water, you can't get to it.
318
00:15:37,811 --> 00:15:40,520
And with that,
the film had its top billing.
319
00:15:40,605 --> 00:15:42,895
And speaking of the bill,
320
00:15:42,982 --> 00:15:46,033
Bob Shaye had finally found
someone to foot it.
321
00:15:46,110 --> 00:15:49,870
From a partner in, um, home video.
322
00:15:50,698 --> 00:15:51,578
And…
323
00:15:51,658 --> 00:15:53,698
So, at least enough to get going.
324
00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:56,155
…and another couple of equity partners.
325
00:15:56,245 --> 00:16:00,416
So with a crazy-low budget,
Bob kept hiring accordingly.
326
00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:01,711
Like Jim Doyle here.
327
00:16:01,793 --> 00:16:04,844
He was a little bit crazy, we thought.
328
00:16:04,922 --> 00:16:06,011
And I was cheap.
329
00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:07,799
Jim's low-paying job
330
00:16:07,883 --> 00:16:11,893
would be to turn Wes Craven's vision
into a practical reality.
331
00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,760
He hadn't really thought about
332
00:16:13,846 --> 00:16:17,057
what could be realized
within his special effects budget.
333
00:16:17,142 --> 00:16:19,062
Yeah, if you could call it that.
334
00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:21,403
The budget was, like, $57,000.
335
00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,279
Which in itself was crazy.
So naturally, Jim said…
336
00:16:25,359 --> 00:16:27,149
I'll do it for $57,000.
337
00:16:28,028 --> 00:16:29,607
I needed a job.
Understood.
338
00:16:29,697 --> 00:16:34,657
Luckily, Wes Craven's ideas were so crazy,
it meant they might just work.
339
00:16:34,743 --> 00:16:35,913
It was surrealism.
340
00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:39,414
Surrealism gives you
a lot of room to move.
341
00:16:39,498 --> 00:16:42,498
Which was exactly
what Wes Craven was going for.
342
00:16:42,584 --> 00:16:46,094
He said, "We're gonna drift
in and out of dreams,
343
00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:48,510
and I don't want the audience to know."
344
00:16:48,590 --> 00:16:50,129
"When we go from real to not…
345
00:16:50,717 --> 00:16:51,837
Reality sucks.
346
00:16:51,927 --> 00:16:53,466
…we don't wanna tell anybody."
347
00:16:53,553 --> 00:16:56,933
Well, here's a reality
Bob had to tell everybody.
348
00:16:57,015 --> 00:17:01,936
Although, initially, we had money
coming in from people in the VHS world…
349
00:17:02,020 --> 00:17:03,860
The financing fell apart.
350
00:17:03,938 --> 00:17:05,769
Just as we started production.
351
00:17:05,857 --> 00:17:10,278
Despite promises made to Bob,
VHS company Smart Egg Pictures,
352
00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:13,872
was suddenly hesitant
to crack open the old piggy bank,
353
00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:16,989
leaving Bob and New Line empty-handed.
354
00:17:17,076 --> 00:17:19,656
There was definitely
the feeling of desperation.
355
00:17:20,204 --> 00:17:22,454
It might not come together.
356
00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:26,671
Bob has basically mortgaged his life
to get this film rolling,
357
00:17:26,753 --> 00:17:29,344
and now the whole thing's
about to go in the dumpster.
358
00:17:29,423 --> 00:17:34,012
And with production ramping up,
the timing couldn't have been worse.
359
00:17:34,094 --> 00:17:36,564
There was a lot of tension,
a lot of pressure.
360
00:17:36,637 --> 00:17:40,847
Bob has a thing about fingernails,
and kind of digging at them,
361
00:17:40,933 --> 00:17:42,653
and I looked over,
and they were all bloody.
362
00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,268
With neither money nor fingernails,
363
00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:50,644
Bob was stuck holding Wes Craven's baby
in his, ironically enough, bloody hands.
364
00:17:50,736 --> 00:17:53,816
But the film wasn't
the only bundle on the line.
365
00:17:53,905 --> 00:17:55,776
I was pregnant.
No.
366
00:17:55,865 --> 00:17:57,826
And soon to be unemployed.
367
00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:01,210
And I remember Bob saying,
"Don't worry about that baby."
368
00:18:01,288 --> 00:18:04,748
"I'll take care of you financially
and we'll get this movie made."
369
00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:08,212
But it wasn't Sara
Bob had to worry about convincing.
370
00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:10,795
Bob said, "We can't pay
our crew this week,
371
00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:14,090
and you've got to convince
everybody to stay on board."
372
00:18:14,175 --> 00:18:17,256
And while Bob went off
to secure new financing,
373
00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:21,266
line producer John Burrows
and pregnant producer Sara Risher
374
00:18:21,349 --> 00:18:24,190
were dispatched
to reassure a very worried crew.
375
00:18:24,269 --> 00:18:26,269
Everything's gonna be all right.
376
00:18:26,355 --> 00:18:28,855
They said, basically, "Give us two weeks
377
00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:32,320
and we'll see
if we can get this film financed."
378
00:18:32,402 --> 00:18:35,572
"To be able to do that,
you're gonna work without pay for a week."
379
00:18:37,449 --> 00:18:38,739
That's impossible.
380
00:18:38,826 --> 00:18:42,655
The crew mulled over
this less-than-optimal proposal,
381
00:18:42,746 --> 00:18:45,286
the fate of the film in the balance.
382
00:18:45,374 --> 00:18:47,253
So… okay.
383
00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:49,423
Turns out, they were pretty cool with it.
384
00:18:49,502 --> 00:18:51,593
And everybody stayed onboard.
385
00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:52,882
Primarily because…
386
00:18:52,964 --> 00:18:55,545
I think because I was so pregnant.
387
00:18:56,425 --> 00:18:58,846
People were sympathetic.
388
00:18:58,929 --> 00:19:01,808
That didn't make
any difference to me. It was Wes.
389
00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:03,730
Well, at any rate, they stayed.
390
00:19:03,808 --> 00:19:07,189
And for the few who couldn't afford
to work for free…
391
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:12,111
John Burrows put up his own money
to keep some of the crew there.
392
00:19:12,192 --> 00:19:14,491
It was like $8,000 or $9,000.
393
00:19:14,569 --> 00:19:17,990
And so, thanks to a producer's generosity,
as well as…
394
00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:19,952
Because I was pregnant.
No.
395
00:19:20,032 --> 00:19:21,992
…other reasons, the show was back on.
396
00:19:22,076 --> 00:19:24,497
And finally,
at the first production meeting,
397
00:19:24,579 --> 00:19:26,460
everyone was on board.
398
00:19:26,539 --> 00:19:27,539
Except Wes Craven.
399
00:19:28,125 --> 00:19:29,125
What?
400
00:19:29,625 --> 00:19:32,415
His agent told him not to come,
401
00:19:32,503 --> 00:19:35,344
because we couldn't guarantee
the money at that point.
402
00:19:35,423 --> 00:19:38,513
So, we had
to go through the entire reading
403
00:19:38,594 --> 00:19:41,683
with the crew, with everybody,
without our director.
404
00:19:41,805 --> 00:19:45,765
But Wes Craven could not
be separated from his baby for long.
405
00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:47,851
Bob Shaye landed a new deal.
406
00:19:47,935 --> 00:19:50,105
Media Home Entertainment
came in last minute.
407
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:53,648
Not only locking in
Wes Craven's commitment to the film,
408
00:19:53,733 --> 00:19:57,153
but fulfilling Bob's commitment
to his cast and crew.
409
00:19:57,820 --> 00:20:01,240
We trusted him, and he got it.
He got it together.
410
00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:05,365
But after all that drama
over raising the money, the film's budget…
411
00:20:05,453 --> 00:20:07,544
Around a million two or something.
412
00:20:07,623 --> 00:20:09,333
It was definitely under 1.5.
413
00:20:09,415 --> 00:20:10,915
Well…
It's nothing.
414
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,631
And time was in even shorter supply.
415
00:20:13,711 --> 00:20:15,172
The schedule was really short.
416
00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:17,464
It was shorter
than most TV movies I'd done.
417
00:20:17,548 --> 00:20:22,548
Well, springing into action,
shooting began in early summer, 1984.
418
00:20:22,637 --> 00:20:25,768
Anne Huntley, we need you on the set.
419
00:20:25,848 --> 00:20:27,729
They needed everyone on the set.
420
00:20:27,808 --> 00:20:30,479
Incidentally, this set in West Hollywood.
421
00:20:30,561 --> 00:20:33,771
So in most movies,
when you have exterior locations,
422
00:20:33,856 --> 00:20:36,896
they often cheat where houses are
in relationship to each other.
423
00:20:36,984 --> 00:20:39,565
But in this case,
my window is right there.
424
00:20:39,654 --> 00:20:40,855
That's where Nancy lived.
425
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:44,238
Stand by your window so I can see you.
You sound a million miles away.
426
00:20:44,326 --> 00:20:48,205
And then Glen lived right over there,
literally across the street.
427
00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:49,498
That's much better.
428
00:20:49,580 --> 00:20:54,040
It was just cool to have the actual house
proximity that we experienced that night.
429
00:20:54,126 --> 00:20:58,007
Daddy! I did it! Please hurry!
430
00:20:58,089 --> 00:21:02,390
It's a simple house, but those windows
make this sort of feeling of eyes.
431
00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:04,643
It's just a great house.
432
00:21:04,721 --> 00:21:07,891
A little piece of the Midwest
in West Hollywood.
433
00:21:07,974 --> 00:21:11,555
The challenges were
that we were Springwood, Ohio, in L.A.
434
00:21:11,644 --> 00:21:14,305
Complete with
picturesque tree-lined streets
435
00:21:14,397 --> 00:21:17,188
and classic Ohio palm trees. Palm trees?
436
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,316
Fail. Epic fail right there.
437
00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:21,663
Well, one place trees
wouldn't be a problem
438
00:21:21,738 --> 00:21:23,948
was in Freddy's subterranean lair.
439
00:21:24,031 --> 00:21:27,162
The boiler room was
one of our favorite scenes,
440
00:21:27,243 --> 00:21:30,334
because it was on location
at Lincoln Heights Jail.
441
00:21:30,413 --> 00:21:33,003
It had all these creepy pipes
442
00:21:33,083 --> 00:21:37,843
and festering devices and grading.
So much texture.
443
00:21:37,921 --> 00:21:40,050
In fact, Lincoln Heights Jail
444
00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:43,182
had even more texture
than initially thought.
445
00:21:43,259 --> 00:21:46,140
The place was condemned
right after we shot there
446
00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:47,681
because it had asbestos.
447
00:21:47,763 --> 00:21:50,233
So we were all exposed to asbestos.
448
00:21:50,308 --> 00:21:51,388
Okay…
449
00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:52,476
It's fine.
450
00:21:53,019 --> 00:21:54,400
We'd… We, -
451
00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:56,189
You have to die for your art.
452
00:21:57,231 --> 00:22:00,942
Meanwhile, Jim Doyle was
learning a thing or two about deadly art,
453
00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:04,698
as he set about designing
the most important prop of the film.
454
00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:10,000
The thin direction in the script
was a weapon, like knives,
455
00:22:10,077 --> 00:22:12,998
that he had on or was holding in his hand.
456
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,461
And that was about it.
457
00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:17,250
I went to see Wes,
and he said the word "fingernails."
458
00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:18,875
And I was like, ""
459
00:22:19,837 --> 00:22:21,667
And I ended up drawing this thing up.
460
00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:25,007
Then I made the first finger,
and we made it work and all this.
461
00:22:25,093 --> 00:22:27,472
And then I kinda built
the whole thing around that.
462
00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:30,104
And you could put it on,
and you could do things with it.
463
00:22:30,182 --> 00:22:32,521
And before long, Jim had created
464
00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:34,641
a very serious health and safety issue.
465
00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:36,228
Razor-sharp knives.
466
00:22:36,313 --> 00:22:38,982
If you put this thing on,
I guarantee you'll hurt yourself.
467
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,395
That glove, unbelievably dangerous.
468
00:22:41,484 --> 00:22:42,894
You don't wanna pick your nose.
469
00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,986
We put it on him, and he went like that.
470
00:22:46,073 --> 00:22:47,623
And I was like…
471
00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:50,618
Little blood running down,
and Robert said, "Ouch."
472
00:22:50,701 --> 00:22:53,461
But while Robert
eventually got the hang of it…
473
00:22:53,538 --> 00:22:56,117
I would stab weenies
off of the craft service table.
474
00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:58,748
For one of the glove's
most iconic moments,
475
00:22:58,835 --> 00:23:00,795
he wasn't the one wearing it.
476
00:23:00,878 --> 00:23:02,209
No. No, no, no.
477
00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:06,086
That task fell upon
the only one crazy enough to do it.
478
00:23:06,175 --> 00:23:08,465
I was like, "Well,
I can stand in the water all day."
479
00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:10,512
That's Jim Doyle under the water.
480
00:23:10,596 --> 00:23:13,017
But he wasn't down there
just blowing bubbles.
481
00:23:13,099 --> 00:23:14,940
That was a breakaway bathtub.
482
00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:18,397
With space enough
to hold a full-sized Jim Doyle.
483
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,529
I'm sitting on the bottom
and Heather's feet are above my shoulder.
484
00:23:22,608 --> 00:23:25,568
It was kind of like being
in a gynecological chair all day long.
485
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:28,910
But upon further examination,
486
00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:32,789
that was nothing compared
to what Amanda Wyss had to endure.
487
00:23:33,828 --> 00:23:35,159
That was a mortifying scene.
488
00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:37,247
And, like, uncomfortable.
489
00:23:37,332 --> 00:23:38,882
Tina!
And weird.
490
00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:42,298
Of course, she's talking
about her horrific, gory death scene.
491
00:23:42,378 --> 00:23:43,548
No, no. God, no, no, no.
492
00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:44,970
The sex scene.
493
00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:47,176
The sex scene was awkward.
494
00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,259
Jungle man fix Jane.
495
00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:51,304
The death scene was…
496
00:23:51,387 --> 00:23:54,518
It was great!
It was also unexpected,
497
00:23:54,598 --> 00:23:56,979
which was Wes Craven's plan all along.
498
00:23:57,059 --> 00:24:01,440
Why do you wanna kill
the hero girl 11 minutes into the film?
499
00:24:01,522 --> 00:24:06,242
He said, "Because that's how I will then
own everybody for the rest of the film."
500
00:24:06,318 --> 00:24:07,489
That was a Shakespeare thing.
501
00:24:07,570 --> 00:24:10,621
But to kill off
a main character in the first reel,
502
00:24:10,699 --> 00:24:13,239
she needed a death worthy of the Bard.
503
00:24:13,326 --> 00:24:15,115
"And we have to do it in such a way
504
00:24:15,202 --> 00:24:17,752
that they don't realize
we've moved into a dream."
505
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:21,171
Which is when Jim
peacefully woke up to the reality
506
00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:24,550
that he needed to make a room
that could go upside down.
507
00:24:24,628 --> 00:24:26,628
It was actually more complicated
than it looked.
508
00:24:26,714 --> 00:24:28,464
It was not motorized.
509
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:31,930
It had to be manually run.
So we had to balance this thing.
510
00:24:32,011 --> 00:24:33,051
Equally weighted.
511
00:24:33,137 --> 00:24:35,768
Tons of mass.
Top to bottom.
512
00:24:35,848 --> 00:24:38,769
A couch weighs this. A bed weighs this.
Side to side.
513
00:24:38,852 --> 00:24:41,192
I had to take the camera rigs
into consideration.
514
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:43,980
The lighting rigs, because
lights here, weight over here.
515
00:24:44,065 --> 00:24:45,394
Jim got it dialed in.
516
00:24:46,317 --> 00:24:47,357
And?
517
00:24:47,443 --> 00:24:50,324
Once you got it rolling,
you just spun it by hand.
518
00:24:50,404 --> 00:24:51,404
Meaning?
519
00:24:51,448 --> 00:24:56,657
Everything in that room had to be
starched, stapled, stuck to the wall,
520
00:24:56,744 --> 00:24:58,075
so that nothing moved.
521
00:24:58,163 --> 00:24:59,752
Well, except for Amanda.
522
00:25:01,124 --> 00:25:03,384
I got disoriented
and thought I was falling.
523
00:25:04,586 --> 00:25:05,586
It gave her vertigo.
524
00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:07,009
We had to stop.
525
00:25:07,087 --> 00:25:09,407
I couldn't stand, because I thought
we were on the ceiling.
526
00:25:09,465 --> 00:25:12,296
And, technically, she was.
We're totally gonna die.
527
00:25:12,384 --> 00:25:15,255
But she didn't really die.
Just pretend die.
528
00:25:15,346 --> 00:25:16,517
We worked through that.
529
00:25:18,642 --> 00:25:22,192
That was the first time in the movie
I went, "That's gonna be a scary scene."
530
00:25:22,269 --> 00:25:25,730
Jim's spinning room
had spun cinematic gold.
531
00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:30,144
So naturally, someone else had to be
sacrificed to its centrifugal forces.
532
00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:31,356
Glen?
533
00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,737
Got a big investment in this thing.
534
00:25:33,823 --> 00:25:36,623
You can do a lot of things.
Let's see what we can do with this.
535
00:25:37,201 --> 00:25:41,162
Wes Craven's direction was clear.
He wanted blood.
536
00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:43,788
The Johnny Depp blood scene
was sort of an homage
537
00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:48,085
to the elevator scene
in Stanley Kubrick's The Shining.
538
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,090
It's an insane amount of liquid.
539
00:25:50,173 --> 00:25:51,633
And so it was decided,
540
00:25:51,715 --> 00:25:55,546
Nightmare's twist
would be a supernatural geyser of blood.
541
00:25:55,636 --> 00:25:58,717
Jim, how do you build
a supernatural geyser of blood?
542
00:25:58,807 --> 00:26:00,727
We built this great, big rig
543
00:26:00,808 --> 00:26:04,398
that stood tall in the rotating room
with barrels of blood
544
00:26:04,479 --> 00:26:08,278
and a big gate valve, six-inch pipe…
545
00:26:08,775 --> 00:26:12,355
and it pointed at a particular place
in the rotating room.
546
00:26:12,444 --> 00:26:14,775
The shot is,
we're supposed to rotate this way,
547
00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:17,163
and the blood's supposed to go up the wall
548
00:26:17,241 --> 00:26:19,912
and end up on the floor,
which would be upside down.
549
00:26:19,994 --> 00:26:23,035
With so much blood
and only one take possible,
550
00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:26,712
no one knew if they'd be able
to control the bleeding.
551
00:26:26,792 --> 00:26:30,383
It's gushing. It's gushing. It's gushing.
You know, more blood, more blood.
552
00:26:30,462 --> 00:26:32,472
Great! All part of the plan.
553
00:26:32,548 --> 00:26:35,298
We got a room full of blood.
And this room starts to bulge.
554
00:26:35,384 --> 00:26:38,095
Yeah, that... that's not part of the plan.
555
00:26:38,179 --> 00:26:40,348
They turned it
so that the effect would happen,
556
00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:43,942
but got away from them because the weight
of the water was spinning the room.
557
00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:48,058
And then they tried to change the momentum
of this massive amount of liquid.
558
00:26:48,147 --> 00:26:50,607
And it got rotated backwards
and all that blood…
559
00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:53,362
Rushes out the door of the set.
560
00:26:55,154 --> 00:26:57,915
I don't know if they said "clear."
That's what you're supposed to say.
561
00:26:57,949 --> 00:27:00,303
I think they said, "Run!"
I remember a lot of screaming.
562
00:27:00,326 --> 00:27:04,156
I had no idea what the hell was going on.
563
00:27:04,247 --> 00:27:07,666
But this shocking scene
was about to turn downright electrifying.
564
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:11,550
There's a light fixture
in the room that was electrified.
565
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,589
Electricity went up through the water
566
00:27:14,673 --> 00:27:17,804
into the metal drum
that they were using to pour it.
567
00:27:17,885 --> 00:27:20,675
And so they got shocked. Oops.
568
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:24,807
When the set
was finally brought under control,
569
00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:27,692
the director emerged
with only one thing to say.
570
00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:29,480
He was like, "This film is fucked,
571
00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:32,324
but that was the most fun
I've had in a long time."
572
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,200
But it wasn't always
blood floods and crew electrocutions,
573
00:27:36,278 --> 00:27:38,239
especially when the boss was around.
574
00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:41,532
Bob Shaye tried not to step on Wes's toes.
575
00:27:41,617 --> 00:27:46,498
But then he also felt
that Wes was there to execute the product,
576
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:49,631
but that it was Bob Shaye's product,
ultimately.
577
00:27:49,709 --> 00:27:52,249
Maybe that was covered
at that first production meeting.
578
00:27:52,336 --> 00:27:54,166
You know, the one Wes didn't go to.
579
00:27:54,255 --> 00:27:56,045
I remember very much the argument…
580
00:27:57,133 --> 00:27:58,552
about the oatmeal stairs.
581
00:28:00,135 --> 00:28:01,846
Wasn't that pancake batter?
582
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:04,309
Whatever it was, Bob Shaye was convinced
583
00:28:04,391 --> 00:28:08,691
the audiences would identify
with this classic anxiety-dream scenario,
584
00:28:08,769 --> 00:28:13,109
using an effect achieved with one
of these two breakfast-based starches.
585
00:28:13,607 --> 00:28:14,857
The only problem was…
586
00:28:14,942 --> 00:28:16,532
Wes did not want those stairs.
587
00:28:16,611 --> 00:28:17,451
But…
588
00:28:17,528 --> 00:28:19,159
Bob was gonna have those stairs.
589
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:21,778
It was probably a difference
in their sensibilities,
590
00:28:21,865 --> 00:28:24,445
and so Wes let him direct that.
591
00:28:25,161 --> 00:28:27,750
The cinematic results
speak for themselves.
592
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:29,121
They work really well.
593
00:28:29,207 --> 00:28:30,916
The gag, to this day, looks terrible.
594
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,089
He's probably a bacon and eggs man.
595
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:35,048
And speaking of appetites,
596
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:37,670
with each death
more gruesome than the last…
597
00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:39,587
Help me!
598
00:28:39,675 --> 00:28:42,385
…Freddy's own death
would have to top them all.
599
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:44,599
Which might be hard to do in a basement.
600
00:28:44,681 --> 00:28:48,141
You usually don't do burns
and things with wood ceilings.
601
00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,145
The fire department was like, "Really?"
602
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:53,268
So, I was, "No, it'll be fine."
603
00:28:53,355 --> 00:28:55,526
Well, they were about to find out.
604
00:28:55,607 --> 00:28:59,028
I walk down the basement
and I grab the gallon of gasoline,
605
00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:01,321
because everyone keeps gasoline
in their basement.
606
00:29:01,405 --> 00:29:02,405
Hey!
607
00:29:03,199 --> 00:29:05,368
I throw it down,
and then I light the match.
608
00:29:06,286 --> 00:29:07,996
Which then lights the stuntman.
609
00:29:08,078 --> 00:29:12,169
Nancy scooches by and runs up
the stairs first, that's the stunt girl.
610
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,799
And then, Freddy on fire,
that's Tony Caesar.
611
00:29:15,878 --> 00:29:18,719
This guy is a body burn expert.
612
00:29:18,798 --> 00:29:21,508
Forged in the flames
of movies like Swamp Thing,
613
00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:23,762
The Thing, and The Terminator,
614
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:26,765
when you needed a flaming stuntman,
who are you gonna call?
615
00:29:26,847 --> 00:29:28,597
Well, you're gonna call Tony Caesar.
616
00:29:28,682 --> 00:29:29,682
Three. Roast him!
617
00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:31,806
He did Ghostbusters too, so that works.
618
00:29:32,811 --> 00:29:36,781
So when he arrived on the Elm Street set,
Tony Caesar was ready to get cooking.
619
00:29:36,857 --> 00:29:40,647
He was supposed to go
across the floor to the stairway and drop.
620
00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:42,237
That was it. That's all we needed.
621
00:29:44,156 --> 00:29:45,826
Fucking Tony.
622
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:47,239
No!
623
00:29:47,326 --> 00:29:50,366
I'm an effects guy. This was a big fire.
624
00:29:50,454 --> 00:29:52,994
We're there with extinguishers
following this guy around.
625
00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:55,082
And the signal is you lay down.
626
00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:56,917
You lay down, they put you out.
627
00:29:57,002 --> 00:29:58,002
He didn't lay down.
628
00:29:58,462 --> 00:30:01,423
He turned at the stairway,
went up the stairway.
629
00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:03,218
Stopped.
And he was done?
630
00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:06,718
Fell back down the stairway on fire.
631
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:09,174
And then finally,
at the bottom of the stairs…
632
00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:10,515
Tony turned around.
633
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:11,769
Come on.
634
00:30:11,851 --> 00:30:15,060
Started to go back up
the stairway and laid down.
635
00:30:16,647 --> 00:30:17,857
And we put him out.
636
00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:21,434
We're like, "God, you okay?"
"Yeah, I'm great. How'd it look?"
637
00:30:22,362 --> 00:30:26,781
And Wes was like,
"Thank God you're on my movie."
638
00:30:26,865 --> 00:30:28,905
But as they began to run out of time and…
639
00:30:28,992 --> 00:30:30,952
We were starting to run out of money.
640
00:30:31,037 --> 00:30:33,787
It was Wes and Bob
who were really feeling the heat.
641
00:30:33,873 --> 00:30:38,093
We were definitely in arguments
about how the film should end.
642
00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:42,128
Wes was more conservative.
He wanted to just see the kids drive off,
643
00:30:42,214 --> 00:30:44,924
and then he panned
to the young kids jumping rope.
644
00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:48,638
And Bob wanted an ending
where Freddy was still there.
645
00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:51,560
And for Bob's ending…
Like, eight or nine different endings.
646
00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:52,931
Or "endings."
647
00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:57,057
Wes wasn't sure which one
he liked best, so we shot a lot of them.
648
00:30:57,145 --> 00:31:00,435
There's an ending where I look over
and Freddy's driving the car.
649
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,144
There's one where it slams shut
650
00:31:02,234 --> 00:31:06,194
and you're inside, and you see the Freddy
claws are the grips of the convertible.
651
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,661
Bob's like, "What about this?
Let's do this."
652
00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:10,290
Just as fast as we could shoot them.
653
00:31:10,367 --> 00:31:12,498
Which was nowhere near fast enough.
654
00:31:12,578 --> 00:31:14,249
Always trying to cut corners.
655
00:31:15,414 --> 00:31:18,125
Always trying to, you know,
see if we could speed it up.
656
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:19,999
But they cut more than corners.
657
00:31:20,086 --> 00:31:22,875
I stepped on a piece of glass
and sliced my foot.
658
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:26,801
And Bob was like,
"Think you could just do one more take?"
659
00:31:26,884 --> 00:31:29,505
And I'm like,
"I think I need to go to the hospital."
660
00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:31,256
I'm going to get her some help.
661
00:31:31,346 --> 00:31:33,767
Limping to the end of production,
662
00:31:33,849 --> 00:31:35,690
Bob and Wes called for backup.
663
00:31:35,768 --> 00:31:37,847
We had five units going,
664
00:31:37,936 --> 00:31:41,186
and we'd leapfrog
from one set to the other.
665
00:31:41,273 --> 00:31:44,693
Wes even asked his old friend
and Friday the 13th director
666
00:31:44,777 --> 00:31:46,947
Sean Cunningham to shoot a few scenes.
667
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:50,740
We had a shorthand and he could tell me
shots he needed or would like to get.
668
00:31:50,825 --> 00:31:53,404
And I'd go out
and try to get 'em and grab 'em.
669
00:31:53,493 --> 00:31:55,663
Sean came in and bailed him out.
670
00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:58,876
Then just check it off the list
and do whatever was next.
671
00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:01,417
Next was one more ending.
672
00:32:01,501 --> 00:32:03,001
Then there's the one with Mom.
673
00:32:03,086 --> 00:32:05,836
Freddy grabs her
and sucks her through the door.
674
00:32:05,923 --> 00:32:08,263
Now, how that was gonna happen?
I had no idea.
675
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,893
Jim?
676
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:13,179
Okay, we could, um…
677
00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:16,231
I've got this dummy.
678
00:32:16,308 --> 00:32:20,648
What if we dressed it as Marge,
and Freddy punches through the window,
679
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:24,730
grabs her and pulls her back
through the window? It looked so stupid.
680
00:32:24,817 --> 00:32:27,527
It was hysterical.
Looked so cheap and so awful.
681
00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:30,872
And when the director saw it…
Wes did not like this.
682
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:34,078
Well, eventually,
they had to put an end to the endings.
683
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,119
Of course, because
you never wanna stop shooting.
684
00:32:37,204 --> 00:32:38,575
Only when you're dropping dead.
685
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,590
Then you're done.
Well, asbestos or otherwise.
686
00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:45,588
Well, you have to die for your art.
687
00:32:45,672 --> 00:32:48,801
And bursting to life
was editor Rick Shaine…
688
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:53,138
who very quickly felt
that life drain straight out of him,
689
00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:55,221
as he realized
exactly what he'd walked into.
690
00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:58,385
Bob and Wes were competitive on the film.
691
00:32:58,476 --> 00:33:02,895
Two very strong personalities
that had their own point of view.
692
00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:06,570
And their own ideas
about how the movie should end.
693
00:33:06,651 --> 00:33:08,780
I think Bob just wore him down
694
00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:11,911
and he finally said,
"I'll put in whichever one you want."
695
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:15,279
So, they agreed
that Bob would get the ending he wanted.
696
00:33:15,367 --> 00:33:17,407
But there was just one problem.
697
00:33:17,494 --> 00:33:19,154
He hadn't told me that.
698
00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:22,126
Yes, and there's no way
that's going to come back to haunt them.
699
00:33:23,792 --> 00:33:26,252
Well, as the team continued
in post-production,
700
00:33:26,336 --> 00:33:29,586
Sara's other production
went into post-natal.
701
00:33:29,673 --> 00:33:31,054
The day I had my child.
702
00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:35,394
I had a boy named Nicholas,
and he was seven pounds…
703
00:33:35,471 --> 00:33:38,020
Sorry. Bob's on the line.
704
00:33:38,098 --> 00:33:41,439
Bob called me
on my birthing bed and he said…
705
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:42,558
Congratulations?
706
00:33:42,644 --> 00:33:44,474
… "We have a problem."
What?
707
00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:48,233
"Congratulations on the baby,
but I need you to do something for me."
708
00:33:48,317 --> 00:33:50,277
I've got a crazy favor to ask you.
709
00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:53,570
The guy who we had hired
as our music supervisor,
710
00:33:53,655 --> 00:33:58,076
and we gave him all our money,
he was then supposed to pay the composer.
711
00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:02,372
It turned out that he had been in
an automobile accident where someone died.
712
00:34:03,665 --> 00:34:06,955
He was afraid that he was gonna
be charged for manslaughter.
713
00:34:08,253 --> 00:34:09,554
He disappeared.
714
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:13,590
Along with all the money
that was meant to go to this guy.
715
00:34:13,675 --> 00:34:15,795
Hi, I'm Charles Bernstein.
716
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:19,016
I wrote the music
for A Nightmare on Elm Street.
717
00:34:19,097 --> 00:34:20,518
Actually, not only that.
718
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,849
I played all the music,
I sang all the parts.
719
00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:25,306
It was budgetary.
720
00:34:25,896 --> 00:34:29,606
But, you know,
limitation breeds creativity.
721
00:34:29,692 --> 00:34:34,952
Now, Sara had to creatively tell him
to be even more creative.
722
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:37,161
Bob said, "Can you call him?
723
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,371
"Tell him what happened
and tell him he's gotta trust us."
724
00:34:40,452 --> 00:34:44,753
"We have to have the music, all of it,
delivered in the next couple of days."
725
00:34:44,831 --> 00:34:48,592
"And tell him he will get paid.
Assure him that he will."
726
00:34:48,668 --> 00:34:52,128
So, Sara, who thought
she was done laboring for the day,
727
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:53,545
picked up the phone.
728
00:34:53,632 --> 00:34:56,222
I called him up on my birthing bed.
729
00:34:56,302 --> 00:34:59,681
He will never forget it either,
but he said he trusted me.
730
00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:01,721
Trust us.
731
00:35:01,807 --> 00:35:03,268
Okay.
732
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:07,860
But with Charles,
the latest person to be working off IOU's,
733
00:35:07,938 --> 00:35:09,898
New Line's costs were adding up.
734
00:35:09,981 --> 00:35:12,492
The company was in financial trouble.
735
00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,527
There was still
a lot of money to be paid back,
736
00:35:15,612 --> 00:35:17,913
and there were still debts to pay.
737
00:35:17,989 --> 00:35:19,659
As the film neared completion,
738
00:35:19,742 --> 00:35:23,371
Bob had the chance to make
all that money back in one sitting.
739
00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:26,753
Bob had organized
the big screening for Paramount.
740
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,043
He wanted to sell the film.
741
00:35:29,126 --> 00:35:33,126
There was a tremendous amount
riding on this for New Line.
742
00:35:33,213 --> 00:35:36,554
Because if they could pull Paramount in,
743
00:35:36,634 --> 00:35:39,934
Bob and New Line
would finally be out of the red.
744
00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:41,681
And what ensued
745
00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:46,523
was one of the more hair-raising episodes
of my editing career.
746
00:35:47,103 --> 00:35:49,733
With Paramount executives in the audience,
747
00:35:49,813 --> 00:35:52,233
including the CEO, Frank Mancuso,
748
00:35:52,315 --> 00:35:55,606
the projector rolled
on the most important screening
749
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:57,065
of Bob Shaye's career.
750
00:35:58,864 --> 00:36:01,445
And his editor Rick had a back-row seat.
751
00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:05,253
I was mixing the film in the back
of the theater, and the phone rings.
752
00:36:06,371 --> 00:36:10,592
And it was Bob from the projection booth,
"Which ending do you have in?"
753
00:36:11,168 --> 00:36:12,248
I don't know.
754
00:36:12,335 --> 00:36:17,335
And I said, "The one where they drive off
after the top comes down."
755
00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:22,675
"No, no, no! I told Frank about the ending
where she gets pulled through the door,
756
00:36:22,762 --> 00:36:23,762
and he loved it."
757
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:29,188
And I said, "What do you want me to do?"
And he says, "We gotta have that ending."
758
00:36:29,269 --> 00:36:31,440
With the screening well underway,
759
00:36:31,521 --> 00:36:33,652
Rick got on the phone with his assistant.
760
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:35,782
She had the different endings.
761
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:38,489
I said, "Get a cab and get over here
as fast as you can."
762
00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:41,320
By now, the film had
just 40 minutes to run.
763
00:36:41,407 --> 00:36:43,947
It was gonna take her 20 minutes at least.
764
00:36:44,034 --> 00:36:46,824
And I remember Bob having conniptions.
765
00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:48,623
With his fingernails long gone…
766
00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:50,416
He was actually chewing gum,
767
00:36:50,498 --> 00:36:53,458
and I remember, at one point,
he almost gagged on the gum.
768
00:36:53,543 --> 00:36:56,764
Finally, Rick's assistant
arrived with the ending.
769
00:36:56,838 --> 00:36:58,798
I got the ending that he wanted.
770
00:36:58,882 --> 00:37:02,603
But I said, "Bob, I'm not gonna make it
by a couple of minutes."
771
00:37:02,677 --> 00:37:04,927
"You still want me to do this?"
And he said, "Yes."
772
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:08,943
And Bob, at that point, went out
and made an announcement
773
00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:12,228
that we were going to be down
for a couple of minutes.
774
00:37:13,438 --> 00:37:16,398
But even as Rick raced
to attach the ending,
775
00:37:16,483 --> 00:37:20,284
that two-minute pause pulled a Freddy.
It killed the momentum.
776
00:37:20,362 --> 00:37:21,742
Goddamn you!
777
00:37:21,822 --> 00:37:24,992
It happened at a really bad place,
in terms of tension.
778
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:28,615
So, even though Bob got
the ending he wanted from the film,
779
00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:30,414
he didn't from the screening.
780
00:37:30,498 --> 00:37:34,288
We found out the next day
that Paramount had passed on the movie.
781
00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:37,880
And Bob was very disappointed.
782
00:37:37,963 --> 00:37:40,384
Without the backing of the major studio,
783
00:37:40,465 --> 00:37:43,085
New Line would flatline.
784
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:45,757
But there was one last spark of hope.
785
00:37:46,722 --> 00:37:50,351
But it would mean going back
into the madness of the past…
786
00:37:50,434 --> 00:37:53,313
They were mostly a distribution company.
787
00:37:53,396 --> 00:37:55,856
…and distributing the movie themselves.
788
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:59,530
If it didn't work,
the company was not gonna work.
789
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:02,239
Well, someone who was going
to have to do a lot of work…
790
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,201
Was Sue Salter,
one of the top PR people in New York.
791
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:07,914
And she did a lot of press.
792
00:38:07,994 --> 00:38:12,003
And there was rumors
and there was a lot of word of mouth.
793
00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:14,670
Just enough interest
to get them in a few theaters.
794
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:16,250
One was in Times Square.
795
00:38:16,335 --> 00:38:19,204
And thanks to a peppering
of Sue Salter magic…
796
00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:21,257
When we opened the film…
797
00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:23,429
…the line was around the block
to go see it.
798
00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:25,048
And just like that…
799
00:38:25,135 --> 00:38:29,556
Our head of distribution was getting calls
for bookings all over the place.
800
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:33,639
It continued to play, and play out,
and roll out across the country.
801
00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,688
And then around the world.
802
00:38:35,771 --> 00:38:39,610
They started selling it foreign
and getting really good reactions.
803
00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:44,112
And when, six months later,
A Nightmare on Elm Street came to VHS,
804
00:38:44,195 --> 00:38:45,315
surprise, surprise…
805
00:38:45,405 --> 00:38:47,155
It was a big success then.
806
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,331
I think that was the moment
we realized that we had had a big success.
807
00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:56,077
This low-budget horror flick
grossed $57 million.
808
00:38:56,166 --> 00:38:57,286
It was huge.
809
00:38:57,376 --> 00:39:00,795
And after betting his company
on A Nightmare on Elm Street,
810
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,510
for Bob Shaye, his nightmares were over.
811
00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:06,840
But for the rest of us,
they were just beginning.
812
00:39:06,927 --> 00:39:10,717
In the long run, it ended up
becoming the major franchise
813
00:39:10,806 --> 00:39:14,135
for New Line for years and years
and put them on the map.
814
00:39:14,226 --> 00:39:15,726
Or another way to put it…
815
00:39:15,811 --> 00:39:19,070
New Line Cinema became
the house that Freddy built.
816
00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:22,568
Because even while
the film was still in theaters,
817
00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:24,451
a sequel was in the works.
818
00:39:24,527 --> 00:39:26,737
Followed by a third, a fourth…
819
00:39:27,572 --> 00:39:31,293
and a fifth, sixth,
seventh, eighth, and ninth,
820
00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:35,208
grossing a cumulative $472 million.
821
00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:38,998
Bob took the money and reinvested it,
and kind of built the company, right,
822
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:42,505
that became kind of this maverick studio
on the fringe of Hollywood.
823
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:45,418
And from within this house,
built by this guy…
824
00:39:45,507 --> 00:39:48,507
Who? Me?
…many other dreams also came to life.
825
00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:51,934
New Line Cinema was primarily responsible
826
00:39:52,014 --> 00:39:54,603
for hiring so many
young independent filmmakers.
827
00:39:54,682 --> 00:39:58,483
People who wanted to make movies
differently, or had something to say,
828
00:39:58,561 --> 00:40:02,902
or wanted to make people laugh at things
that parents didn't want them laughing at.
829
00:40:02,983 --> 00:40:05,112
Yeah, baby, yeah.
830
00:40:05,193 --> 00:40:07,784
It seemed like they were making
every interesting film.
831
00:40:07,862 --> 00:40:09,873
Have you ever seen anything like this?
832
00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:11,449
These movies would not have been made
833
00:40:11,534 --> 00:40:13,414
without the success
of Nightmare on Elm Street.
834
00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:16,253
New Line is definitely
the house that Freddy built.
835
00:40:16,329 --> 00:40:19,920
Definitely metaphorically.
These are not the hands of a bricklayer.
836
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,590
Hang on. Whoa!
837
00:40:24,338 --> 00:40:26,838
I see. Did we put the wrong ending on?
838
00:40:27,382 --> 00:40:29,262
Well, it happens to the best of them.
839
00:40:29,342 --> 00:40:31,722
Just, um, yeah, pick it up
at the hands bit, will you?
840
00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:33,934
Spool it back a little bit. Yep.
841
00:40:34,556 --> 00:40:36,766
New Line is definitely
the house that Freddy built.
842
00:40:37,476 --> 00:40:40,436
But all houses are built brick by brick.
843
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:43,440
And what Bob
and his team of builders created
844
00:40:43,523 --> 00:40:45,994
was nothing, if not a good investment.
845
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:50,489
I'll tell you something, for the money,
it's amazing what we accomplished.
846
00:40:50,572 --> 00:40:51,572
Very proud of that.
847
00:40:51,614 --> 00:40:53,735
With relentless dedication…
848
00:40:53,826 --> 00:40:56,746
I like the challenge
of not always having a big budget.
849
00:40:56,829 --> 00:40:59,079
It makes things more passionate.
850
00:40:59,164 --> 00:41:00,664
And a whole lot of trust.
851
00:41:00,748 --> 00:41:04,838
We did ultimately get our full budget,
which was tiny.
852
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,010
And good communication skills.
853
00:41:07,088 --> 00:41:09,798
And I get a Christmas card
from him every year.
854
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:11,264
He's such a good guy.
855
00:41:11,342 --> 00:41:13,643
This movie built momentum.
856
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:16,681
Until now, it's almost
something else entirely.
857
00:41:16,764 --> 00:41:22,094
You could say A Nightmare on Elm Street
to anybody, and they've heard of it.
858
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:26,108
You're associated with something
that's like that important.
859
00:41:26,192 --> 00:41:30,452
Here's the happy accident of my career,
and I'm so grateful for it.
860
00:41:30,528 --> 00:41:35,199
Because from Freddy's hat…
He has become such a cultural icon.
861
00:41:35,284 --> 00:41:37,454
…to the glove that fit like a glove…
862
00:41:37,536 --> 00:41:40,996
We had no idea this prop was
gonna be as famous as the ruby slipper.
863
00:41:41,956 --> 00:41:46,336
…Freddy Krueger found his way
into homes and hearts in a good way.
864
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:49,469
When you take a walk
down your opposition's memory lane,
865
00:41:49,547 --> 00:41:51,677
it starts to look
like Nightmare on Elm Street.
866
00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:56,099
It's been in the zeitgeist for 35 years.
867
00:41:56,179 --> 00:41:57,559
When it comes to endings,
868
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,269
for everyone who worked
on this terrifying movie,
869
00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:03,481
this really is the right ending.
870
00:42:03,561 --> 00:42:07,231
It was quite a joyful experience,
to be honest.
871
00:42:07,315 --> 00:42:10,686
It was family always working
for the same conclusion
872
00:42:10,777 --> 00:42:12,237
of making a great movie,
873
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,911
and I'm very proud of it.
72417
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