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I want to get a good picture,
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some more pictures.
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This is Carey's room, her bed.
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This is the birthday girl's
mattress and everything else.
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She's even got a TV
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in her room.
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Ain't she lucky?
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That's my sister.
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The birthday girl.
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Ain't she beautiful?
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And here is her brother.
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Nick.
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The thought of what somebody
could have done to him...
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It gives you nightmares.
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It really does.
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His disappearance
never made the news.
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It wasn't news to them,
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it was just news to us.
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It came to the point where, you know,
you're not gonna find him alive,
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but you just want to find
what happened to him.
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They called me at work
when I wasn't there
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and they wrote a message and said,
"Someone from Spain has Nicholas."
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He wants to come home.
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My mom called me.
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I was at work.
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And she says, "Sitting down?"
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You're not going to believe this."
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Course. It was mysterious,
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it was er... exciting,
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it was worrisome,
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er, it was all mixed
emotions, you know?
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Ecstatic.
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Bewildered.
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You know, Spain!
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Isn't that like across the country?
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Um, how did he get there?
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You want... you have like a
hundred thousand questions
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that you want answered immediately.
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I felt wonderful,
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you know, excited.
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You wanna see him, touch
him, you know what I mean?
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And you want it all to happen now.
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From as long as I remember, I
wanted to be someone else.
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Someone who was acceptable.
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The most important thing for me and what I
learned very fast was to be convincing.
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When the police arrive,
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I have immediately to
put into their mind
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they have a kid in front
of them, not an adult.
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So it was very important
for me to behave like one.
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They would see me with... in a
big coat with younger clothes.
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And they would see a kid with a
hat, which is very low in the eyes.
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They couldn't see my eyes.
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I wanted to provoke on
them a sense of guilt...
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of being adults and to be close
to a kid which is dead scared.
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When you see a kid that, you
know, got nervous reflexes,
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that you can't touch them,
you can't approach them,
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then you understand, you understand
that something is wrong.
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I wasn't the one who was telling
them I've been sexually abused.
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I made them ask me
that by my attitude,
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by my way of doing things.
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They were the one thinking about
it and that gave me power.
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I didn't speak much.
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It's very hard to read a kid that
doesn't speak a word sometime.
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If a cop don't know who a kid
is and where he comes from,
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he just can't keep him
in the police station.
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And I knew that eventually they would
have to put me into a children's home...
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and that's all I wanted.
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Nobody ever gave a damn about me
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and to know that if I
change my identity
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the reward was eventually
to be put in a place
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where actually they
really cared about me...
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then, hell, yeah. I
mean, I was reborn.
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I mean... I was born again.
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Nobody ever gave me a childhood,
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because to give a kid a childhood
you need to, to love that kid.
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I felt like I belonged there.
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They didn't know that I
was 23, 23 years old.
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I was considered like one of them.
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I told him to be home by dinner
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and gave him five bucks
to go play basketball,
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and... he took off.
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He called home, asking
for a ride, er...
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which was probably, I don't know,
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he's within a couple of
Miles from his house
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and his mother works late
and sleeps during the day
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and his older brother
Jason answered the phone.
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When I woke up Jason was there and said
that he had called and wanted a ride home,
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but Jason didn't
want to wake me up,
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so told him he had to walk home.
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And that's... was the day, the
last time we heard from him.
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You spend 24 hours
crying, sick, worried,
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then you get mad,
then you get scared,
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and then you try to get empowered.
You know, "Ok, what can we do?"
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We have to do flyers,
we'll do this, we'll..."
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You know, so instead of...
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you don't cry, you do
something positive
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and try to work towards, I guess,
a solution of finding him.
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I thought somebody offered him
a ride, and he got in the car.
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I dunno, I think he would have got in a
car with someone that he didn't know.
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What are you looking at?
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I could see the worry and the
pain they were going through,
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so I always said, you know,
"He's out there," you know.
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"He'll resurface," you know.
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Unfortunately for me, it was one of those
places which is very rare in Spain
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where actually they can't stand
having a kid with no identity card,
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er, no proof of who he is.
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They wanted absolutely to know
who I was, where do I come from,
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erm, they needed to know precise.
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"If you don't tell us, if
can't prove us who you are,
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I'm gonna have you fingerprinted
and your pictures taken."
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I couldn't allow that to happen.
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I had to find a way out of that.
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So the only, only
thing left there was
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was 1) go to prison
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2) prove to them
that I'm someone.
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I said that I was American.
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That er... I ran away and I was
willing to contact my family for them
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but I wanted to do it myself.
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I didn't want my family to receive a phone
call from the police or the persecutor
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or the judge in Spain.
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I wanted to do it myself.
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And I said I would need to be
in the office for the night
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because I live in the States.
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The States is, you know, the
times is different, it's er...
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So erm, you know, just
leave me in the office
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and tomorrow you will
have all you need.
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In this office nobody
could hear me.
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I knew that I could pass myself
for anyone on the phone,
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could convince anyone of anything.
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So I call the American Police.
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County South, Detective Fowler.
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The New York Police.
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Lieutenant Kojak's office.
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Different police
stations in the States.
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- Dobie here.
- Who is this, please?
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I told them every time that I
was a policeman from Spain
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called Jonathan Dorian,
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that we had found a kid,
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we are sure he's from the
States but we don't know where.
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How long ago was this?
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He's been maybe missing for a few years,
that someone must be looking for him.
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So the police say, well, you know,
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we got hundreds of posters of
missing persons on the wall
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and we just can't go
through each of them.
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But what we can do for you
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is to give you the number of the centre
for missing and exploited children
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of Arlington, Virginia.
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Centre for missing and exploited children.
Lorraine speaking. How may I help you?
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Er, we have a kid in a shelter,
certainly is American,
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who is about 14, 15 years old
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but the problem is we
don't know who he is...
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I describe myself.
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Every detail I gave was details
that I know that I could handle.
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I wanted to be vague enough for her
to look at many different things.
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I wanted her to have
many possibilities.
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Let me just take a look here.
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"I got maybe something," she said.
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"Maybe, you know, we got
a kid from San Antonio"
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missing since June 131994.
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"His name is Nicholas Barclay."
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I said, "Could you send me a
fax of what he looks like?"
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In my head, I was just a police officer
with, with Nicholas Barclay next to me,
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trying to confirm his identity and
like any other policeman would do.
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Let's see if it's him.
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I thought, let's see if it's him.
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I look at it, black and
white picture, old picture.
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Well, missing for
three or four years,
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guarantee one thing,
there will be a change.
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If there is a change,
there will be doubt.
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If there is doubt,
then I got a chance.
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Something in my head decided I
could do it, that I had to try.
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I took the phone and I told
her that this is Nicholas.
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We got him, it's him.
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It's incredible, it's him.
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My mom called me and she says,
"Are you sitting down?"
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You're not gonna believe this."
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And I said, "What, Mom?" She goes,
"The police department called me
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and they think they found
Nicholas in Linares."
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So I'm like, "Ok, where
in Texas is Linares?"
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Because Texas has a
lot of small towns.
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And then she was like, "No, Spain."
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I'm like, "Spain?"
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Oh, God, how to
explain the emotions.
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It's like all these different emotions,
from excitement to bewilderment,
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to what do we do?
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What's the next step? How do we get
him? When do we get to talk to him?
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I knew that after that
they would contact me.
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They would try to verify, to call, to
see, to... Is it true? Is it here?
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Is it, you know... Carey,
the family and all that.
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Well, when I first got, you know,
got a hold of the shelter,
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they put me on the phone
with Jonathan Dorian
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who said that he worked
for the, a shelter,
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and that he was the one who
was talking with Nicholas
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and had got the information from
Nicholas on who he really was.
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When she called, I said that
Nicholas was seated next to me.
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But he was very scared,
he was very traumatised
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and he didn't want
to talk to no-one.
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He sounded very responsible,
very concerned.
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Er, he claims that he has been
abused, that he's been hurt,
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that erm... certainly
he's been abducted.
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I kind of thought he was like a
social worker type of person.
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Um, very reassuring.
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She said, "Is he saying anything?"
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Is he talking about us?
Does he remember?"
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Well, actually, I think he forgot
about everything, you know.
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He doesn't remember very much.
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He remember you but not very much.
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We were told he was held by some kind
of like a sex slave kind of ring,
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and that he had escaped from there and
that he was found wandering the streets.
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She was heartbroken but at the
same time she was very happy.
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I wanted to hear his voice.
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No!
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Absolutely, there was no way I was going
to talk to her pretending to be Nicholas
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because I wasn't Nicholas
and she was his sister,
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so er... it would have been a risk,
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too big a risk for me,
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but I did say a few words.
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She said: "Hello, Nicholas.
You hear me, Nicholas?"
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Nothing.
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"I love you, Nicholas. I want
to take you back home with me."
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I'm gonna take you, baby.
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"I'm gonna come and get you and..."
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And maybe you hear "Love you" or
something like that, you know.
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Very far away. It, it...
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And then she say: "Was it him?"
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I said, "Yeah. He
said 'I love you. "'
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Oh. And then she started
crying on the phone.
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You start crying, you tell him, "We're going
to come and get you, bring you home."
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We'll get there, we're going to bring
you home, and I love you too."
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I erm... I washed her brain.
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I didn't stop, because I
didn't think of stopping.
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I didn't watch myself in the mirror and
say, "What the fuck are you doing?"
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Stop that immediately."
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I realised that I've
crossed the line.
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I wasn't pretending no more to have
another identity. I stole one.
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I got a phone call: "Would you
please call a Carey Gibson?"
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Well, I was astounded
by what Carey said,
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so one of the first
things I said to her was,
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when the FBI and the US
State Department assist you
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and uh... get you and your brother back
here, I have to interview him immediately.
241
00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:04,585
When the welfare of a minor,
242
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:06,232
er... is in jeopardy,
243
00:22:06,735 --> 00:22:09,377
our reaction has to be very quick,
244
00:22:09,402 --> 00:22:11,043
er... very responsive.
245
00:22:11,068 --> 00:22:12,335
We have to put ourselves
246
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in the position of the child
247
00:22:13,651 --> 00:22:15,725
or the child's parents
or guardians.
248
00:22:16,402 --> 00:22:19,708
Generally when a child
is missing for years,
249
00:22:19,733 --> 00:22:24,960
either the child is dead
or the child is not found
250
00:22:24,985 --> 00:22:29,938
and to find that child in another
country is extremely rare.
251
00:22:30,402 --> 00:22:33,542
That made it all the
more compelling for us
252
00:22:33,567 --> 00:22:37,417
to make sure that we did
everything right in terms of er...
253
00:22:37,442 --> 00:22:40,627
establishing who he was and
getting him back to his family.
254
00:22:40,652 --> 00:22:42,625
My main concern was
getting him back,
255
00:22:42,650 --> 00:22:46,348
so that my part could start, the
investigation could start...
256
00:22:46,484 --> 00:22:48,918
we could find out what had
happened to this child.
257
00:22:48,943 --> 00:22:51,098
I sent somebody out there
as quickly as possible.
258
00:23:01,859 --> 00:23:04,429
The next day... The next day,
it got beyond my control.
259
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,931
The centre for missing and exploited
children sent me a flyer.
260
00:23:10,735 --> 00:23:14,098
There was the picture of Nicholas
at the time of his disappearance...
261
00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:22,772
And I saw what real Nicholas looked like,
really with colours and everything.
262
00:23:25,774 --> 00:23:28,042
He was very blond, very...
263
00:23:28,067 --> 00:23:30,418
He had blue eyes.
264
00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:32,480
He looked nothing like me!
265
00:23:33,024 --> 00:23:34,250
Nothing!
266
00:23:34,275 --> 00:23:37,417
There's, you know, the only
thing he had in common with me
267
00:23:37,442 --> 00:23:39,812
was that he had five
fingers at each hands.
268
00:23:41,566 --> 00:23:43,889
Then I said, fuck,
let's burn myself.
269
00:23:44,732 --> 00:23:46,664
You know, I burned the flyer.
270
00:23:46,689 --> 00:23:48,874
If I could have burned
the identity that I said
271
00:23:48,899 --> 00:23:51,665
and every word that had been out
of my mouth for the past few days,
272
00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:53,432
I would have burned them too!
273
00:24:00,274 --> 00:24:04,290
When everyone tells me that the
American Embassy is coming
274
00:24:04,315 --> 00:24:07,041
and er... everybody's, you know...
275
00:24:07,066 --> 00:24:09,666
and don't worry, Nicholas,
we're gonna take care of you.
276
00:24:09,691 --> 00:24:14,927
Well, yeah, Ok, you know, I...
I couldn't do nothing.
277
00:24:15,398 --> 00:24:16,749
The only thing I could do
278
00:24:16,774 --> 00:24:20,055
was think of how was going to be the
prison where I was going to be.
279
00:24:29,857 --> 00:24:31,248
I didn't know what to do.
280
00:24:31,273 --> 00:24:33,310
I really didn't know what to do.
281
00:24:34,731 --> 00:24:37,540
When the Vice Consul first
arrived in Linares,
282
00:24:37,565 --> 00:24:40,647
he got to the centre and found
Nicholas Barclay had disappeared.
283
00:24:46,939 --> 00:24:48,514
I said, you've got to find him.
284
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:54,248
So he essentially, with somebody
from the Linares Centre,
285
00:24:54,273 --> 00:24:56,394
went around looking for him.
286
00:24:57,525 --> 00:25:01,897
Our priority was his safety and to make
sure he was reunited with the family.
287
00:25:05,816 --> 00:25:09,311
I tried to run away like I
would do anywhere else.
288
00:25:15,647 --> 00:25:17,105
Nicholas Barclay?
289
00:25:17,897 --> 00:25:19,971
God didn't want me
to leave this place.
290
00:25:20,439 --> 00:25:24,540
I spoke with the vice consul and asked him
about his interactions with Nicholas.
291
00:25:24,565 --> 00:25:28,558
He reported at the time
that he spoke English,
292
00:25:29,106 --> 00:25:33,956
that he, he was, he was
at least at that moment
293
00:25:33,981 --> 00:25:35,722
convinced that this
was an American.
294
00:25:44,314 --> 00:25:47,264
When I woke up the next
morning, everything was normal.
295
00:25:52,397 --> 00:25:55,582
Then I saw the director
of the shelter that said,
296
00:25:55,607 --> 00:25:59,052
"Well, you know, you must be
happy, your sister is on the way."
297
00:25:59,646 --> 00:26:02,038
So I said, "What do you mean?"
298
00:26:02,063 --> 00:26:06,580
He say, "Well, your sister,
you know, from San Antonio",
299
00:26:06,605 --> 00:26:09,140
she's on the plane, she's
coming to get you."
300
00:26:12,020 --> 00:26:13,538
Fuck, you know. Fuck! Fuck!
301
00:26:13,563 --> 00:26:14,788
Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!
302
00:26:14,813 --> 00:26:16,454
I'd never left the country.
303
00:26:16,479 --> 00:26:19,050
I didn't know even
what it entailed.
304
00:26:23,814 --> 00:26:25,621
I knew Mom couldn't
handle the flight.
305
00:26:25,646 --> 00:26:27,163
She can't, she couldn't do it.
306
00:26:27,188 --> 00:26:28,621
I have to do this.
307
00:26:28,646 --> 00:26:31,929
I just gotta go get him and get
him back here where he's safe.
308
00:26:35,438 --> 00:26:37,309
I should have thought of that.
309
00:26:38,521 --> 00:26:40,827
I should have thought
of the consequences.
310
00:26:40,852 --> 00:26:42,953
If you do that,
imagine for a second
311
00:26:42,978 --> 00:26:47,537
that you're the father of a kid that's
been missing for three years, four months,
312
00:26:47,562 --> 00:26:50,976
and that they find him in Columbia,
er... what would you do?
313
00:26:51,105 --> 00:26:53,012
What would be the
first thing you'd do?
314
00:26:53,521 --> 00:26:55,595
I would jump on a fucking plane.
315
00:26:58,188 --> 00:27:01,287
I didn't sleep for two days
before I got on the plane.
316
00:27:01,312 --> 00:27:04,428
Fear, but also anticipation,
317
00:27:04,812 --> 00:27:06,537
cos you want to get
there, get there.
318
00:27:06,562 --> 00:27:10,307
You want to see him, hold him,
smell him, just get there.
319
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:15,723
You can't prepare to play a role
of a person that you don't know.
320
00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:20,766
I couldn't be Nicholas Barclay because
I didn't know Nicholas Barclay.
321
00:27:21,438 --> 00:27:24,469
I didn't even know at that moment
if he was left or right-handed.
322
00:27:25,104 --> 00:27:28,135
So, er, that was a problem.
323
00:27:28,894 --> 00:27:32,453
I got on the plane
and tried to sleep.
324
00:27:32,478 --> 00:27:34,184
Didn't work.
325
00:27:56,187 --> 00:27:58,260
The director...
326
00:28:01,686 --> 00:28:04,304
This is Nick, mwhah.
327
00:28:10,769 --> 00:28:12,451
He thought he was an adult.
328
00:28:12,476 --> 00:28:15,594
We called him 13 going on 30.
329
00:28:16,435 --> 00:28:18,889
Very difficult to discipline him.
330
00:28:19,686 --> 00:28:22,953
If he made up his mind he
was gonna do something,
331
00:28:22,978 --> 00:28:26,057
pretty much there wasn't
a lot you could do.
332
00:28:27,477 --> 00:28:29,551
Put the lighter down.
333
00:28:30,936 --> 00:28:33,869
He'd run away before for a
night or two, mad at Mom.
334
00:28:33,894 --> 00:28:36,367
"I'm leaving, I'll find
a new mom, a new home.
335
00:28:36,392 --> 00:28:38,160
"Kiss my ass," kind of thing.
336
00:28:38,185 --> 00:28:42,118
And he, you know... would leave
and she would hunt him down
337
00:28:42,143 --> 00:28:45,258
and find out where he is and
he'd show up the next day.
338
00:28:46,269 --> 00:28:52,368
He was not, um, you know, this
perfect nice sweet innocent,
339
00:28:52,393 --> 00:28:55,889
he was a very
street-smart city boy.
340
00:28:59,018 --> 00:29:04,118
- It's nice to meet ya. I am the director.
- In here, Nick.
341
00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:06,215
See, ain't I beautiful?
342
00:29:06,601 --> 00:29:09,284
He had beautiful blond hair.
343
00:29:09,309 --> 00:29:12,092
Kind of looked like,
erm, a little pixie.
344
00:29:12,642 --> 00:29:15,911
He had blond hair and blue eyes and
a bit of a gap between his teeth.
345
00:29:15,936 --> 00:29:18,008
When he smiled, you could see it.
346
00:29:42,558 --> 00:29:46,494
Finally I'm on the ground. "Who,
who, who am I looking for?"
347
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,492
What do they look like?
Are they in suits?
348
00:29:48,517 --> 00:29:50,472
"Oh, damn, you can smoke here.
Thank God!"
349
00:29:52,724 --> 00:29:54,075
The air smelt different.
350
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:57,265
Erm, it was a lot less
crowded than I thought.
351
00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:11,508
I did everything I could
to give myself a chance.
352
00:30:15,643 --> 00:30:19,883
I bought product to colour
my hair totally blond.
353
00:30:22,933 --> 00:30:25,075
The gentlemen and a
lady approached me,
354
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,491
cos I wasn't sure where to go
355
00:30:27,516 --> 00:30:30,087
and we went straight into a
car and started driving.
356
00:30:35,390 --> 00:30:39,087
On the flyers it said that Nicholas
Barclay had three tattoos.
357
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:46,283
There was a girl inside the shelter
that did small tattoos just like that.
358
00:30:46,308 --> 00:30:48,298
She was no pro, she was just a kid.
359
00:30:48,557 --> 00:30:50,491
And I asked her to
put those tattoos
360
00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:52,423
that were on the flyers on me.
361
00:31:00,972 --> 00:31:05,761
I was quiet and that's when the
lady started talking to me.
362
00:31:07,724 --> 00:31:12,366
She kept my mind busy with
explaining the countryside to me
363
00:31:12,391 --> 00:31:14,465
the whole way down
there on the drive.
364
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:24,885
I took big sunglasses, I took a hat,
I took a scarf, I took a glove.
365
00:31:25,391 --> 00:31:27,198
I thought that if she
couldn't see me,
366
00:31:27,223 --> 00:31:30,005
then she wouldn't be able
to say I'm not her brother.
367
00:31:31,931 --> 00:31:35,281
We stopped for a Coca-Cola, which
I thought was really cool.
368
00:31:35,306 --> 00:31:39,928
They had coke there and it was the
anxiety of how long it was taking.
369
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,924
Minutes before she arrived I
was convinced it was finished.
370
00:31:47,181 --> 00:31:50,489
That I was gonna get arrested
and maybe beat up also
371
00:31:50,514 --> 00:31:52,754
because they were not going
to be happy about it.
372
00:31:54,265 --> 00:31:56,800
I remember going into
like a waiting area.
373
00:31:57,140 --> 00:32:02,030
I'm speaking with a couple of people from
the home saying that he was in his room.
374
00:32:02,055 --> 00:32:04,904
He'd been locked in his room all
day. He wouldn't let anyone go in.
375
00:32:04,929 --> 00:32:08,404
Finally when I heard someone
knocking at the door and saying,
376
00:32:08,429 --> 00:32:12,698
"Hey, Nicholas, your
sister is downstairs,
377
00:32:12,723 --> 00:32:14,926
er... she's waiting for
you, she's there..."
378
00:32:16,555 --> 00:32:18,905
I went downstairs and
into like a courtyard.
379
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:21,780
There were some kids playing
like ball against a wall
380
00:32:21,805 --> 00:32:24,989
and looked up at the
window and told him,
381
00:32:25,014 --> 00:32:27,988
"I'm here, come here. I want to
see you, I want to hold you."
382
00:32:28,013 --> 00:32:31,674
I remember seeing him
look out the window.
383
00:32:32,554 --> 00:32:36,714
I was sure that as soon as
the sister was gonna see me,
384
00:32:37,014 --> 00:32:40,114
she was going to say "What
the fuck is that?" You know.
385
00:32:40,139 --> 00:32:42,213
That's not... that's not Nicholas.
386
00:32:47,138 --> 00:32:49,129
I waited maybe 10 minutes.
387
00:32:51,054 --> 00:32:52,761
I knew I was about
to lose everything.
388
00:32:53,304 --> 00:32:55,155
I knew I couldn't wait no more,
389
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:56,696
that I couldn't go away,
390
00:32:56,721 --> 00:32:58,612
that I couldn't just disappear,
391
00:32:58,637 --> 00:33:01,008
so I opened the door
and I went down.
392
00:33:05,929 --> 00:33:09,676
It was just this sense
of immense relief.
393
00:33:10,639 --> 00:33:14,880
Just seeing, touching,
kissing, holding him.
394
00:33:16,262 --> 00:33:18,363
I said, "What the hell?" You know.
395
00:33:18,388 --> 00:33:21,171
He's here, we're here, I have him.
396
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,113
She didn't even wait a
second or two seconds.
397
00:33:25,138 --> 00:33:27,404
She jump on me, she jump on me,
398
00:33:27,429 --> 00:33:29,070
she took me in her arms
399
00:33:29,095 --> 00:33:33,485
and she said, "Nicholas, oh, and you
were afraid I wouldn't recognise you."
400
00:33:33,510 --> 00:33:35,402
I would remember that nose."
401
00:33:35,427 --> 00:33:40,071
So I just... I remember touching
his nose and telling him, um,
402
00:33:40,096 --> 00:33:43,507
"I remember that nose, you kind
of look like your Uncle Pat."
403
00:33:44,219 --> 00:33:48,945
She said, "Don't worry," like she always
say, "everything is going to be fine.
404
00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:50,821
Everything is going to be perfect.
405
00:33:50,846 --> 00:33:52,753
"I know it's you."
406
00:33:53,428 --> 00:33:56,194
He was just... just basically
told me he loved me,
407
00:33:56,219 --> 00:34:01,209
and he didn't say a whole lot
until all the people left.
408
00:34:03,845 --> 00:34:06,903
Only God know why she would
do something like that,
409
00:34:06,928 --> 00:34:14,777
but... but I know one thing for
sure is there was no other way.
410
00:34:14,802 --> 00:34:17,506
She came for me and
she wanted me back.
411
00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:25,840
We went to the visit room and she
showed me dozens of pictures.
412
00:34:26,594 --> 00:34:28,667
Pictures, pictures, pictures.
413
00:34:29,303 --> 00:34:33,278
You remember, this was with Mom at
the, at the house we were living in
414
00:34:33,303 --> 00:34:35,363
before you, you went missing.
415
00:34:35,388 --> 00:34:39,028
Remember this was when you
were playing with Scotty.
416
00:34:39,053 --> 00:34:41,127
Remember this was...
417
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,092
And he was like, "Jason looks the same,
Codey's gotten pretty big, huh?"
418
00:34:47,302 --> 00:34:50,964
Mom, God, Mom looks exactly the
same. Has she put on weight?
419
00:34:52,094 --> 00:34:54,611
Wanted to know if Grandpa
was still an asshole,
420
00:34:54,636 --> 00:34:58,001
um, told me how much he loved
Grandma and he missed her.
421
00:34:59,384 --> 00:35:02,443
I remember seeing the tattoo, the
cross between his, you know,
422
00:35:02,468 --> 00:35:03,860
right here on his hand.
423
00:35:03,885 --> 00:35:07,069
I just kept thinking how
much he looks like Uncle Pat
424
00:35:07,094 --> 00:35:10,423
and how mom was going to be
really surprised how tall he was.
425
00:35:13,093 --> 00:35:15,735
She said that he
looked very different,
426
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,881
that he had, you know, grown up...
427
00:35:19,677 --> 00:35:22,151
and erm...
428
00:35:22,176 --> 00:35:27,984
he's very quiet, you
know, kinda held back.
429
00:35:28,009 --> 00:35:30,859
He talked with a funny accent.
430
00:35:30,884 --> 00:35:34,962
But it was always a whisper and very
quiet like he was hiding from something.
431
00:35:38,884 --> 00:35:41,288
I mean, God, look what
he had been through.
432
00:35:41,425 --> 00:35:43,527
He wasn't the same person.
433
00:35:43,552 --> 00:35:46,568
He wasn't the same Nicholas that
disappeared four years before.
434
00:35:46,593 --> 00:35:49,734
He had been held and tortured
and God knows what else.
435
00:35:49,759 --> 00:35:51,832
He wasn't that same person.
436
00:35:58,259 --> 00:36:02,943
The judge in Linares wanted to make sure
that there was in fact some legal basis
437
00:36:02,968 --> 00:36:08,039
for Nicholas claiming to be er...
Carey Gibson's lost brother.
438
00:36:08,385 --> 00:36:15,693
So now the problem was that they had
the sister and the embassy official
439
00:36:15,718 --> 00:36:18,775
that were swearing that
I was Nicholas Barclay
440
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,900
and there was the police
and the prosecutor
441
00:36:21,925 --> 00:36:24,900
and the judge who were
not convinced at all.
442
00:36:24,925 --> 00:36:27,316
The judge insisted on
separate interviews
443
00:36:27,341 --> 00:36:34,666
and part of the evidence that was in those
interviews was a family photo album.
444
00:36:36,132 --> 00:36:39,398
And the judge said, "Listen,
the only way for you to prove"
445
00:36:39,423 --> 00:36:42,567
that you're really Nicholas
is we got pictures here
446
00:36:42,592 --> 00:36:44,463
that you've never seen before.
447
00:36:47,758 --> 00:36:49,831
"I'm gonna show you five of them."
448
00:36:51,216 --> 00:36:53,290
Number one, Ok.
449
00:36:53,799 --> 00:36:55,482
Number two, Ok.
450
00:36:55,507 --> 00:36:57,149
Number three, Ok.
451
00:36:57,174 --> 00:36:58,898
Number four, Ok.
452
00:36:58,923 --> 00:37:00,334
On the five one I made a mistake,
453
00:37:03,258 --> 00:37:04,648
but it was too late.
454
00:37:04,673 --> 00:37:07,044
She was already convinced
I was Nicholas Barclay.
455
00:37:13,842 --> 00:37:19,588
At that point I didn't see how I could
not document him as a US citizen.
456
00:37:24,173 --> 00:37:29,330
I would not have been able to do anything
if Carey didn't show me those pictures.
457
00:37:31,591 --> 00:37:35,749
They took picture of me,
with no hat, with nothing.
458
00:37:36,006 --> 00:37:38,542
Which was, you know,
they saw my eyes.
459
00:37:39,465 --> 00:37:44,206
Erm, the constitution of the United
States. I swear to be a US citizen.
460
00:37:45,132 --> 00:37:47,915
You know, it wasn't
real but I did it.
461
00:38:12,756 --> 00:38:17,163
We didn't do a whole lot of talking
the night before we got on the plane.
462
00:38:18,214 --> 00:38:22,159
Not uncomfortable, just silence, and
it was almost like a peaceful silence.
463
00:38:26,004 --> 00:38:31,706
You know, I could hear him breathing
and I just felt pretty peaceful.
464
00:38:39,006 --> 00:38:42,502
I'd been thinking about running
away even before I met her.
465
00:38:49,547 --> 00:38:54,688
All I got to do was take a taxi cab
and, going to a train station,
466
00:38:54,713 --> 00:38:56,622
buy myself a ticket out of Spain.
467
00:38:58,132 --> 00:39:00,252
I could have done that
in a couple of minutes.
468
00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:03,604
Nothing was stopping me, nothing.
469
00:39:03,629 --> 00:39:06,315
I went down a few
times in the hallway,
470
00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:10,746
always wondering if I was doing
the right thing, the wrong thing.
471
00:39:14,339 --> 00:39:17,123
Should I go, shouldn't I go,
should I go, shouldn't I go?
472
00:39:26,297 --> 00:39:31,415
When I was born, I don't
think there was much love.
473
00:39:33,962 --> 00:39:39,064
My mother was very, very young at the time
and she was, she was only 17 years old,
474
00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:44,158
met er... older man, which
was my father, from Algeria.
475
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:50,187
My grandfather was a
very racist person
476
00:39:50,212 --> 00:39:54,856
and knowing that the man my mother
spent the night with is an Algerian,
477
00:39:54,881 --> 00:39:58,480
he wanted absolutely my
mother to have an abortion.
478
00:39:58,505 --> 00:40:01,667
Er, to get rid of me
even before I was born.
479
00:40:04,004 --> 00:40:07,854
For him an Arab should be
dealt with a nuclear weapon
480
00:40:07,879 --> 00:40:09,952
and a black man is a monkey.
481
00:40:11,128 --> 00:40:14,458
Before I was born, I definitely
I had the wrong identity.
482
00:40:14,711 --> 00:40:20,494
Er, I already didn't know... I was already
prepared not to know who I really was.
483
00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:28,603
A new identity with a real
passport, an American passport.
484
00:40:28,628 --> 00:40:30,831
I could go to the US,
go to school there.
485
00:40:31,545 --> 00:40:35,145
Live with that family
and just being someone.
486
00:40:35,170 --> 00:40:39,910
And don't have never again to
worry about being identified.
487
00:40:41,045 --> 00:40:43,119
I saw the opportunity.
488
00:40:45,211 --> 00:40:51,727
A woman that could go through so much
to get me with her back in a family
489
00:40:51,752 --> 00:40:55,913
which got kids, which seem
a fam... a loving family,
490
00:40:56,628 --> 00:40:58,582
gotta be some... somebody good,
491
00:40:59,752 --> 00:41:03,201
You know, I had conflicting
rules inside my own head.
492
00:41:30,501 --> 00:41:33,644
Carey want me to be Nicholas
but what about the others?
493
00:41:33,669 --> 00:41:35,707
Are they going to want
me to be Nicholas too?
494
00:41:37,835 --> 00:41:44,810
I didn't understand why he was so...
like, nervous, you know what I mean?
495
00:41:44,835 --> 00:41:48,393
He was like, you know, constantly
moving and to the bathroom,
496
00:41:48,418 --> 00:41:49,934
and watching people,
497
00:41:49,959 --> 00:41:52,284
watching me, he was
always watching me.
498
00:41:52,545 --> 00:41:54,619
She was always looking at me.
499
00:41:55,793 --> 00:41:58,393
I attested it to him
just being scared.
500
00:41:58,418 --> 00:42:00,410
You know, he's going back home
501
00:42:01,085 --> 00:42:03,601
and we don't know
what's happened to him,
502
00:42:03,626 --> 00:42:05,560
how his mind's working.
503
00:42:05,585 --> 00:42:07,893
Um, but he was just...
maybe he was afraid
504
00:42:07,918 --> 00:42:12,042
that, that he wouldn't be recognised
or, or Mom wouldn't love him any more.
505
00:42:13,417 --> 00:42:15,309
I'm gonna get killed.
506
00:42:15,334 --> 00:42:17,059
And I want...
507
00:42:17,084 --> 00:42:19,852
And I say, well, maybe
the plane better crash.
508
00:42:19,877 --> 00:42:25,392
When they said it was time for us to
board, I... nudged Nick and I said,
509
00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,433
"You ready? You ready to go home?"
He said, "I'm ready to go home."
510
00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:31,660
"Let's get the fuck out
of here, and go home."
511
00:42:32,042 --> 00:42:34,116
And we got on the plane.
512
00:42:54,041 --> 00:42:59,909
I was really nervous,
anticipation, pretty happy.
513
00:43:01,042 --> 00:43:04,538
You know, we had made it... It was a
family thing, we all went together.
514
00:43:09,958 --> 00:43:12,577
I remember that night,
minute by minute.
515
00:43:13,582 --> 00:43:15,599
It was me, my grandma,
516
00:43:15,624 --> 00:43:18,019
my sister and my dad, I believe.
517
00:43:18,044 --> 00:43:20,184
We all loaded up in my Lincoln
518
00:43:20,209 --> 00:43:21,867
to go get my mom and Nicholas.
519
00:43:25,541 --> 00:43:29,183
It was a wait and see but
everybody was excited, you know.
520
00:43:29,208 --> 00:43:31,283
We didn't know what to expect...
521
00:43:42,832 --> 00:43:44,906
I didn't want to go
out of the plane.
522
00:43:45,915 --> 00:43:47,268
I wanted to wait.
523
00:43:47,293 --> 00:43:48,749
I wanted to prepare myself.
524
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,743
I didn't have no plan. I
didn't have no strategy.
525
00:44:05,207 --> 00:44:07,280
I knew there was no way out.
526
00:44:07,956 --> 00:44:09,829
I could not turn back.
527
00:44:18,624 --> 00:44:24,572
We had no idea what kind of person we
were getting, who was coming back.
528
00:44:48,415 --> 00:44:51,034
I wanted to run and grab and
hold him but he held back.
529
00:44:51,207 --> 00:44:56,160
So I walked down and grabbed his hand and
hugged him and told him I missed him.
530
00:45:08,912 --> 00:45:10,490
He had changed so much.
531
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,117
It was like mind-boggling.
532
00:45:14,082 --> 00:45:15,515
But then I realised, you know,
533
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:18,889
you tell yourself, well, he's been
through all this horrendous stuff,
534
00:45:18,914 --> 00:45:22,030
so he's absolutely
gonna be different.
535
00:45:24,289 --> 00:45:29,055
I just remember my kids and
my mom and erm, my husband
536
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,118
and just, God, we were so happy.
537
00:45:35,163 --> 00:45:37,680
He was like totally covered up,
538
00:45:37,705 --> 00:45:42,658
so then I got scared, thinking
that this kid's really messed up,
539
00:45:44,581 --> 00:45:46,655
just by his appearance.
540
00:45:53,122 --> 00:45:59,236
He was very quiet and
erm, standoffish.
541
00:46:04,746 --> 00:46:06,820
I never liked people to touch me.
542
00:46:07,787 --> 00:46:09,887
And I can't change that.
543
00:46:09,912 --> 00:46:12,681
So when she put her
hands around me,
544
00:46:12,706 --> 00:46:16,697
she must have felt that I
wasn't enjoying it at all.
545
00:46:21,706 --> 00:46:25,864
I was very cold, very closed.
I didn't speak to people.
546
00:46:27,871 --> 00:46:34,151
As much as I was happy...
I didn't show it.
547
00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:45,929
I had a border in front of me.
548
00:46:45,954 --> 00:46:47,659
I didn't want to screw up.
549
00:46:53,662 --> 00:47:01,909
Of course, it was welcome with open
arms and let's get you home attitude.
550
00:47:03,494 --> 00:47:06,825
Talk about the rest later, you
know, let's just go home.
551
00:47:24,162 --> 00:47:27,053
I just watched him all
the way home in the car
552
00:47:27,078 --> 00:47:28,983
and you could tell he was uneasy.
553
00:47:29,703 --> 00:47:34,510
So we put on a tape, tried to make
him as comfortable as possible.
554
00:47:34,535 --> 00:47:36,940
♪ THE DOOBIE BROTHERS: ♪
♪ Listen To The Music ♪
555
00:47:43,494 --> 00:47:46,427
It was a quiet ride home, you know,
556
00:47:46,452 --> 00:47:50,428
and everybody, you know,
quiet but yet excited.
557
00:47:50,453 --> 00:47:54,280
♪ Don't you feel it ♪
♪ growin', day by day ♪
558
00:47:54,911 --> 00:47:57,719
♪ People gettin' ready for the news ♪
559
00:47:57,744 --> 00:48:02,235
I couldn't keep the smile off my face
at that point in time, honestly.
560
00:48:02,952 --> 00:48:05,760
I just had a grin and
all the way home.
561
00:48:05,785 --> 00:48:10,076
♪ Oh, oh, listen to the music ♪
562
00:48:10,829 --> 00:48:14,690
♪ Oh, oh, listen to the music ♪
563
00:48:16,076 --> 00:48:20,534
It was just a happy
good feeling that...
564
00:48:21,243 --> 00:48:25,190
our long lost Nicholas was home.
565
00:48:28,658 --> 00:48:30,384
I had a family and even more.
566
00:48:30,409 --> 00:48:33,027
I never... I never
dreamed of so much.
567
00:48:33,618 --> 00:48:40,510
I never dreamed to be able to not
only stay in a place where I'm loved
568
00:48:40,535 --> 00:48:42,608
but actually to have a family.
569
00:49:05,993 --> 00:49:10,034
When I woke up in Texas country...
570
00:49:11,908 --> 00:49:15,239
what I saw wasn't exactly
what I expected to see.
571
00:49:22,242 --> 00:49:28,275
The States for me was big city, it was big
buildings and, and people everywhere.
572
00:49:30,449 --> 00:49:34,382
The first thing when you
open your eyes is official,
573
00:49:34,407 --> 00:49:36,551
your name is Nicholas
Patrick Barclay,
574
00:49:36,576 --> 00:49:39,064
that you're born
December 31st 1980,
575
00:49:39,616 --> 00:49:42,257
and that every family member
is calling me Nicholas
576
00:49:42,282 --> 00:49:45,217
and not "Nicholas, but
what is your real name?"
577
00:49:45,242 --> 00:49:47,343
No! Nicholas.
578
00:49:47,368 --> 00:49:49,902
"Ok, we're going to go
shopping, Nicholas."
579
00:49:56,574 --> 00:49:58,648
They drove me around,
580
00:49:59,033 --> 00:50:02,132
and, you know, I knew I had
to recognise something,
581
00:50:02,157 --> 00:50:06,614
so... and I also knew that I couldn't
because I'd never been there before.
582
00:50:07,867 --> 00:50:09,674
Hey, Kirk, how are you doin'?
583
00:50:09,699 --> 00:50:13,131
We met some people that knew
Nicholas before he disappeared.
584
00:50:13,156 --> 00:50:17,549
I told them I didn't remember them, there
was something but I didn't remember them.
585
00:50:17,574 --> 00:50:20,737
Like I had lost my memory,
which is what I told them.
586
00:50:22,657 --> 00:50:24,730
He's traumatised.
587
00:50:25,116 --> 00:50:27,132
That's why he wasn't
remembering anything,
588
00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:30,771
because of all, all of the
things that had happened to him.
589
00:50:33,033 --> 00:50:34,633
I remember a sign.
590
00:50:34,658 --> 00:50:40,089
I saw Nicholas in the picture doing
this with his fingers, you know,
591
00:50:40,114 --> 00:50:42,188
his, his way to say
"hello", you know,
592
00:50:42,614 --> 00:50:44,690
and I did it a few times with them.
593
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:48,154
When I was there. That was one of
the only things I knew what to do.
594
00:50:50,449 --> 00:50:52,172
I was thinking to myself
595
00:50:52,197 --> 00:50:55,529
that Nicholas Barclay could
come back at his house any day.
596
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,881
That was my first worry.
597
00:50:57,906 --> 00:50:59,980
I was really worried about that.
598
00:51:00,906 --> 00:51:03,858
I couldn't help it. I said,
"Man, what if he show up?"
599
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,591
What if you opened the door
and say, "Hey, I'm back."
600
00:51:06,616 --> 00:51:08,155
You know.
601
00:51:10,156 --> 00:51:14,943
We thought the best thing for him
was just to have a normal routine.
602
00:51:15,741 --> 00:51:18,881
You get up, you eat breakfast,
you do this, you eat lunch,
603
00:51:18,906 --> 00:51:23,113
you eat dinner, we'd watch a movie,
just the normal family atmosphere.
604
00:51:23,364 --> 00:51:25,438
Me and him Hung out.
605
00:51:26,197 --> 00:51:30,060
I'd just take him for drives and talk
to him and turn up the music and stuff.
606
00:51:31,032 --> 00:51:33,132
♪ I listen to the wind ♪
607
00:51:33,157 --> 00:51:35,465
♪ To the wind of my soul ♪
608
00:51:35,490 --> 00:51:37,506
He'd hang out with
Codey and his friends
609
00:51:37,531 --> 00:51:40,672
and after school they'd
go to the park and play,
610
00:51:40,697 --> 00:51:43,613
and, I mean, they would
do what teenagers do.
611
00:51:43,906 --> 00:51:47,354
He actually kinda started liking a
girl in the neighbourhood, Amy.
612
00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:49,548
They would hang out,
talk on the phone
613
00:51:49,573 --> 00:51:52,605
and he'd kinda get blushy-red
when we talked about her.
614
00:51:54,195 --> 00:51:57,795
The only person I hadn't met
in the Barclays' family
615
00:51:57,820 --> 00:52:02,065
was, erm, Jason, his other brother,
the brother of, erm, Carey.
616
00:52:02,991 --> 00:52:05,588
And finally he came to see me.
617
00:52:05,613 --> 00:52:11,339
He didn't look at me like Nicholas and he
didn't pretend to look at me like Nicholas
618
00:52:11,364 --> 00:52:14,896
and, er, he said good
luck to me and he left.
619
00:52:15,655 --> 00:52:19,316
♪ I swam upon the Devil's lake ♪
620
00:52:20,196 --> 00:52:23,463
♪ But never, never never never... ♪
621
00:52:23,488 --> 00:52:26,900
We didn't even talk about what
had happened to him over there,
622
00:52:27,779 --> 00:52:32,437
because we felt, like, when the time
was right he would open up to us.
623
00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:41,296
I did not receive any telephone
calls from the family
624
00:52:41,321 --> 00:52:44,254
saying, you know,
"Nicholas is back."
625
00:52:44,279 --> 00:52:46,685
Please come over and talk to us.
We need help."
626
00:52:47,738 --> 00:52:49,629
And I felt like it was imperative
627
00:52:49,654 --> 00:52:51,063
that he be interviewed quickly.
628
00:52:52,903 --> 00:52:57,670
So I'd agreed to meet Nicholas at the
San Antonio missing children's centre
629
00:52:57,695 --> 00:52:59,568
to conduct our first interview.
630
00:53:00,447 --> 00:53:04,087
I introduced myself to Nicholas and
then told him why I was there,
631
00:53:04,112 --> 00:53:09,171
and that the purpose of this interview
was to get his account of his kidnapping
632
00:53:09,196 --> 00:53:12,277
and for his assistance in
locating his abductors.
633
00:53:13,695 --> 00:53:14,963
All I knew about Nicholas
634
00:53:14,988 --> 00:53:17,771
was what I had read on some
of the missing posters.
635
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:21,628
Not that people can't
change in three years,
636
00:53:21,653 --> 00:53:24,983
but this person in general
did not appear to be 16.
637
00:53:25,944 --> 00:53:29,359
He had a shadow of a
beard, a dark beard,
638
00:53:29,613 --> 00:53:34,961
that I doubt if Nicholas would have had a
shadow of a dark beard at the age of 16
639
00:53:34,986 --> 00:53:36,837
since he had blond hair.
640
00:53:36,862 --> 00:53:39,003
He appeared to be quite nervous
641
00:53:39,028 --> 00:53:43,188
and he just seemed very
uncomfortable this entire time.
642
00:53:48,444 --> 00:53:53,959
I told them that, um, I was
taken by military overseas
643
00:53:53,984 --> 00:53:56,337
and I was abducted
and put in a van,
644
00:53:56,362 --> 00:53:59,941
then fly over to some places
that I never knew where it was.
645
00:54:00,696 --> 00:54:05,585
That, er, we were kept in a
room with different kids.
646
00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:06,836
They'd get chloroformed,
647
00:54:06,861 --> 00:54:10,253
and, er, they wake-up
and they're, er...
648
00:54:10,278 --> 00:54:14,057
you know, in a place they
don't know where they're at.
649
00:54:14,527 --> 00:54:21,898
They were subjected by high-ranking
military to sexual abuse.
650
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,318
Every night all of the kids
were raped and molested by men.
651
00:54:25,695 --> 00:54:28,337
These men were American,
Mexican and European.
652
00:54:28,362 --> 00:54:34,044
They broke my hands, especially my
right hand, with a baseball bat.
653
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:36,919
They kept burning him and
giving him insects to eat.
654
00:54:36,944 --> 00:54:39,169
- We were tortured.
- They broke his fingers.
655
00:54:39,194 --> 00:54:42,086
- His left foot was broken with a crowbar.
- I was raped.
656
00:54:42,111 --> 00:54:47,794
They keep these kids in line by
doing military scare tactics.
657
00:54:47,819 --> 00:54:49,210
We were experimented on.
658
00:54:49,235 --> 00:54:51,502
They would put needles in his eyes.
659
00:54:51,527 --> 00:54:56,877
Headphones on their heads screaming
and yelling, er, different languages.
660
00:54:56,902 --> 00:55:01,085
Spanish kept playing over and over and a
voice kept saying, "You are not you."
661
00:55:01,110 --> 00:55:03,168
If he spoke English, he was beaten.
662
00:55:03,193 --> 00:55:07,459
They moved these kids
around in military planes.
663
00:55:07,484 --> 00:55:09,543
We never saw where we were going.
664
00:55:09,568 --> 00:55:13,209
The boys' identities were changed by
either changing their hair colour,
665
00:55:13,234 --> 00:55:15,542
eye colour or other ways.
666
00:55:15,567 --> 00:55:17,001
They were always in uniform.
667
00:55:17,026 --> 00:55:18,793
A solution was put in his eyes.
668
00:55:18,818 --> 00:55:20,834
They would sell him
for money for sex.
669
00:55:20,859 --> 00:55:24,710
His eye colour was changed from blue
to brown by the use of this solution.
670
00:55:24,735 --> 00:55:27,710
The door wasn't shut and
I left by that door.
671
00:55:27,735 --> 00:55:30,814
I ran in the big hallway and
there was another door.
672
00:55:31,733 --> 00:55:33,751
Somehow I managed to go outside
673
00:55:33,776 --> 00:55:36,168
and outside I ran, I ran, I ran
674
00:55:36,193 --> 00:55:40,269
and hours after that I, I
discovered that I was in Spain.
675
00:56:12,233 --> 00:56:15,791
We've got a kid here which
is about 14, 15 years old.
676
00:56:15,816 --> 00:56:17,207
He doesn't have no ID.
677
00:56:17,232 --> 00:56:20,207
He's no documents on him but
you can see he's very young.
678
00:56:20,232 --> 00:56:22,225
And he's very scared.
679
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,897
She was professional but you could
see that she was horrified.
680
00:56:31,567 --> 00:56:36,041
This was a horrendous interview and
when I left I was shaken by it
681
00:56:36,066 --> 00:56:40,041
because it had all the horrific,
emotional side effects
682
00:56:40,066 --> 00:56:42,582
that go with listening
to such a story.
683
00:56:42,607 --> 00:56:46,249
He knew about this
type of activity.
684
00:56:46,274 --> 00:56:49,666
I mean, a normal person
doesn't sit down with a story
685
00:56:49,691 --> 00:56:51,765
and make up horrendous...
686
00:56:52,316 --> 00:56:53,957
that's not what you lie about.
687
00:56:53,982 --> 00:56:58,790
You don't go into detail about torture and
the murdering of children or whatever.
688
00:56:58,815 --> 00:57:00,124
None of that seemed normal.
689
00:57:00,149 --> 00:57:01,915
He was tortured.
690
00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:03,748
I mean, he had torture
written all...
691
00:57:03,773 --> 00:57:08,248
He had a broken hand that was
never medically attended to,
692
00:57:08,273 --> 00:57:09,956
he walked with a limp,
693
00:57:09,981 --> 00:57:16,123
erm, he had cigarette burns down the back
of his head to the back of his ankles.
694
00:57:16,148 --> 00:57:21,416
This person is either, erm,
had been the victim himself
695
00:57:21,441 --> 00:57:25,081
or he was a fantastic actor
696
00:57:25,106 --> 00:57:28,139
and I didn't know which of
those titles applied to him.
697
00:57:29,691 --> 00:57:32,706
I let them know that I was very
sorry about what had happened
698
00:57:32,731 --> 00:57:35,289
and we were going to locate
the people who had done this
699
00:57:35,314 --> 00:57:38,266
and put an end to the trauma
that he had been through.
700
00:57:42,856 --> 00:57:45,309
This was the last border.
701
00:57:45,773 --> 00:57:48,499
It's like you...
702
00:57:48,524 --> 00:57:50,977
I won. You know, the game is over.
703
00:57:52,441 --> 00:57:56,136
I had passports, everybody in the
family say I am Nicholas Barclay.
704
00:57:56,689 --> 00:57:58,764
Nobody was investigating me.
705
00:58:00,064 --> 00:58:02,813
Nobody was suspicious that I know.
706
00:58:06,189 --> 00:58:08,580
Hell, I was happy.
707
00:58:08,605 --> 00:58:11,225
I was, you know... I
couldn't believe my luck.
708
00:58:17,731 --> 00:58:20,832
My name is Charlie Parker.
I'm a private investigator.
709
00:58:20,857 --> 00:58:22,996
Hey, how are you doin'?
710
00:58:23,021 --> 00:58:25,593
Say, I want you... I want
you to do something for me.
711
00:58:26,937 --> 00:58:30,955
♪ I know dark clouds are ♪
♪ gonna gather around me ♪
712
00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:35,247
♪ I know my way'll ♪
♪ be rough and steep ♪
713
00:58:35,272 --> 00:58:39,121
♪ Yet beautiful fields ♪
♪ lie just before me... ♪
714
00:58:39,146 --> 00:58:45,872
I got a call back in November and, erm,
from a television producer for Hard Copy
715
00:58:45,897 --> 00:58:47,998
and he said that a boy
716
00:58:48,023 --> 00:58:52,079
who had been missing earlier
for four years had turned up
717
00:58:52,104 --> 00:58:56,015
and he wanted me to track him down so
they could get an interview with him.
718
00:58:57,773 --> 00:59:01,331
First I had to find out
where his mother lived.
719
00:59:01,356 --> 00:59:07,138
Found her and then we drove out to the
north of San Antonio to do the interview.
720
00:59:13,770 --> 00:59:18,247
I had repeatedly asked him,
please do not contact the media.
721
00:59:18,272 --> 00:59:21,328
If anything that Nicholas
was telling us was true,
722
00:59:21,353 --> 00:59:23,495
if any of it had any accuracy,
723
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,621
and if there was any military
officer possibly involved,
724
00:59:26,646 --> 00:59:29,246
the last thing that we
wanted it to be put
725
00:59:29,271 --> 00:59:31,954
was on the front page of the
newspaper or on television
726
00:59:31,979 --> 00:59:35,759
so that that abductor would know
something about our investigation.
727
00:59:38,146 --> 00:59:40,432
This is Eyewitness News at 10.
728
00:59:41,019 --> 00:59:43,745
He disappeared without a
trace three years ago.
729
00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:46,247
Tonight a San Antonio
boy is back home.
730
00:59:46,272 --> 00:59:48,997
Nicholas Barclay is
now 16 years old.
731
00:59:49,022 --> 00:59:50,620
He vanished when he was 13...
732
00:59:50,645 --> 00:59:52,120
Nicholas says he was kidnapped
733
00:59:52,145 --> 00:59:53,412
and taken to Spain.
734
00:59:53,437 --> 00:59:56,954
He says for three years he was
repeatedly drugged, beaten and raped,
735
00:59:56,979 --> 01:00:00,912
all part of a sex slave operation
involving dozens of missing children.
736
01:00:00,937 --> 01:00:03,786
Well, Bob, the FBI is not
taking this case lightly...
737
01:00:03,811 --> 01:00:04,911
The reason?
738
01:00:04,936 --> 01:00:07,618
Somehow a 13-year-old
boy from San Antonio
739
01:00:07,643 --> 01:00:10,702
ended up in Spain
without a passport.
740
01:00:10,727 --> 01:00:14,663
June 19th 1994, Nicholas got
into a fight with his family,
741
01:00:14,688 --> 01:00:17,662
so he came here to Fort Sam
Houston to play basketball.
742
01:00:17,687 --> 01:00:20,203
Two young boys approached
him, they started talking.
743
01:00:20,228 --> 01:00:24,269
The next thing he knew, there was a cloth
over his mouth and Nicholas passed out.
744
01:00:25,478 --> 01:00:27,537
He claims his captors
changed his appearance
745
01:00:27,562 --> 01:00:29,410
to make him unrecognisable.
746
01:00:29,435 --> 01:00:31,744
He was no longer allowed
to speak English.
747
01:00:31,769 --> 01:00:33,843
Did they rape you all every night?
748
01:00:34,686 --> 01:00:36,077
Me? No.
749
01:00:36,102 --> 01:00:39,702
Because they didn't
rape me every night.
750
01:00:39,727 --> 01:00:41,910
Some of them, they liked more.
751
01:00:41,935 --> 01:00:43,496
Some of the kids they liked more.
752
01:00:43,521 --> 01:00:47,726
They rape them usually two
or three times a week.
753
01:00:47,936 --> 01:00:52,953
I wanted the media's attention, so that
I would make Nicholas even more real,
754
01:00:52,978 --> 01:00:56,508
that people would really
believe that I'm Nicholas
755
01:00:57,185 --> 01:01:00,136
and they would love me
even more for that.
756
01:01:01,811 --> 01:01:05,784
They set him up, put a microphone
on him and had the cameras on him
757
01:01:05,809 --> 01:01:08,701
and I moved over behind a booth.
758
01:01:08,726 --> 01:01:10,800
And it was almost fate.
759
01:01:11,185 --> 01:01:13,994
Behind that booth was a picture
760
01:01:14,019 --> 01:01:16,093
of the actual Nicholas Barclay.
761
01:01:16,811 --> 01:01:20,934
And I could look at that picture
and look at him at the same time.
762
01:01:21,226 --> 01:01:26,243
And as I looked at the picture, I noticed
that the boy had blue-grey-looking eyes
763
01:01:26,268 --> 01:01:28,259
and this man had brown eyes.
764
01:01:30,435 --> 01:01:33,450
Here was a moment where the hair
stood up on the back of your neck,
765
01:01:33,475 --> 01:01:36,510
and, and er... there was just
something wrong about it.
766
01:01:36,975 --> 01:01:39,117
I did what they wanted me to do.
767
01:01:39,142 --> 01:01:42,577
Something was wrong. I said, "Can
you get me a picture of his ears?"
768
01:01:42,602 --> 01:01:44,327
I need to get... get that.
769
01:01:44,352 --> 01:01:51,509
And I had read about Scotland Yard
using that method to trace down a man,
770
01:01:51,977 --> 01:01:55,034
James Earl Ray, that had
killed Martin Luther King.
771
01:01:55,059 --> 01:01:58,492
They had caught him in Heathrow
Airport by identifying his ears.
772
01:01:58,517 --> 01:02:05,047
And I knew the ears were a means of
identity, almost like fingerprints.
773
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,554
I put the picture in my
pocket and took it...
774
01:02:11,436 --> 01:02:12,827
When I got back to the office,
775
01:02:12,852 --> 01:02:15,256
I put the pictures
in Adobe Photoshop.
776
01:02:24,350 --> 01:02:26,076
They, they were different ears.
777
01:02:26,101 --> 01:02:27,783
And so I knew right away
778
01:02:27,808 --> 01:02:31,304
that absolutely he was
not Nicholas Barclay.
779
01:02:32,434 --> 01:02:34,824
I thought I had a spy.
780
01:02:34,849 --> 01:02:37,468
I thought I had real,
honest to God spy.
781
01:02:37,891 --> 01:02:42,784
Why else would a guy come here and
take the place of another person?
782
01:02:42,809 --> 01:02:44,183
What would be his reason?
783
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,673
I phoned Nancy Fisher.
784
01:02:49,517 --> 01:02:52,408
I said, "This guy's a fake.
It's not him."
785
01:02:52,433 --> 01:02:54,117
I said, "The ears don't match."
786
01:02:54,142 --> 01:02:55,682
And my comment to him was,
787
01:02:57,558 --> 01:02:58,866
"You need to be very careful
788
01:02:58,891 --> 01:03:01,427
that you don't intrude on
the federal investigation."
789
01:03:01,724 --> 01:03:05,116
People aren't used to hearing
you talk about somebody's ears
790
01:03:05,141 --> 01:03:08,659
and I think she was taken back by that.
She didn't know what I was talking about.
791
01:03:08,684 --> 01:03:11,325
I thought I didn't have
a right to question,
792
01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:14,199
you know, their statement that
this was their family member
793
01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:17,199
because how, how
could they be wrong?
794
01:03:17,224 --> 01:03:19,949
I mean, no-one would be wrong
about something like that.
795
01:03:19,974 --> 01:03:23,553
What do they want? I've already got the
fact he doesn't have the same ears.
796
01:03:24,016 --> 01:03:27,324
Why would you ever, ever
take in a stranger?
797
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:29,365
Not just a stranger
from this country
798
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:32,906
but a stranger from another country
who speaks with a French accent.
799
01:03:32,931 --> 01:03:35,088
This has to be Nicholas Barclay.
800
01:03:37,475 --> 01:03:39,881
It was an outrageous thing.
801
01:03:40,642 --> 01:03:44,948
I cannot have talked to anyone
that hasn't read about this
802
01:03:44,973 --> 01:03:50,449
that has said, "Wait a minute. I
know my own kid. I know my own son."
803
01:03:50,474 --> 01:03:52,614
I can look in his eyes and tell..."
804
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:56,698
It's like when you go
to a class reunion
805
01:03:56,723 --> 01:03:59,508
and you see the kids you
went to school with in 19...
806
01:04:10,474 --> 01:04:12,546
♪ David BOWIE: Queen Bitch ♪
807
01:04:20,849 --> 01:04:25,074
It really began for me, the American
dream, when I took that big yellow bus
808
01:04:25,099 --> 01:04:28,447
to go to school with others,
with other students.
809
01:04:28,472 --> 01:04:33,011
♪ I'm up on the 11th floor and ♪
♪ I'm watching the cruisers below ♪
810
01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:39,615
How many French adults go to
American schools for kids,
811
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,966
into a yellow bus...
812
01:04:42,598 --> 01:04:44,656
♪ My heart's in the basement ♪
813
01:04:44,681 --> 01:04:48,072
♪ My weekend's at an all-time low ♪
814
01:04:48,097 --> 01:04:51,947
That was impossible. You could do that
in a movie, you could do that in a...
815
01:04:51,972 --> 01:04:53,631
but you can't do that for real.
816
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:55,447
♪ Letting him go ♪
817
01:04:55,472 --> 01:04:56,989
♪ Walk out of her heart ♪
818
01:04:57,014 --> 01:04:58,671
♪ Walk out of her mind... ♪
819
01:05:01,388 --> 01:05:05,989
I finally succeeded to become a kid
again, officially, with a passport,
820
01:05:06,014 --> 01:05:07,572
to have a second chance,
821
01:05:07,597 --> 01:05:11,638
to be able this time to go to
school and to succeed this time.
822
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,754
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
823
01:05:17,389 --> 01:05:19,488
♪ She's an old-time ambassador ♪
824
01:05:19,513 --> 01:05:22,262
♪ Of sweet-talking, ♪
♪ night-walking games ♪
825
01:05:24,930 --> 01:05:27,488
Well, he started
back to high school.
826
01:05:27,513 --> 01:05:28,696
I really was worried.
827
01:05:28,721 --> 01:05:31,279
I didn't know what
he was going to do.
828
01:05:31,304 --> 01:05:33,925
This was a case. I
mean, a real case.
829
01:05:34,723 --> 01:05:37,822
This guy was lying about
who he said he was
830
01:05:37,847 --> 01:05:39,946
and here the family
was accepting him.
831
01:05:39,971 --> 01:05:44,156
I expected him any day to blow
up something at the airbase
832
01:05:44,181 --> 01:05:46,633
or do something at the army base.
833
01:05:49,762 --> 01:05:53,612
I was pulling teeth trying to
determine who had kidnapped Nicholas,
834
01:05:53,637 --> 01:05:55,960
when and where and under
what circumstances.
835
01:05:56,762 --> 01:05:58,737
I had almost no information
836
01:05:58,762 --> 01:06:02,030
because all the information he
gave us was very, very general.
837
01:06:02,055 --> 01:06:04,530
He couldn't give names,
he couldn't give places,
838
01:06:04,555 --> 01:06:06,924
he couldn't give times, he
couldn't give anything.
839
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:12,945
The family was told that the reason
we were taking Nicholas to Houston
840
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:14,904
was because he'd
been through trauma.
841
01:06:14,929 --> 01:06:19,302
So he deserved to see a forensic
expert to deal with the trauma.
842
01:06:24,137 --> 01:06:28,403
Initially I thought that this was
going to be a forensic interview,
843
01:06:28,428 --> 01:06:32,488
er, with the intent of
finding out more information
844
01:06:32,513 --> 01:06:34,468
about the people who abducted him.
845
01:06:38,011 --> 01:06:44,778
Here was this pale white kid
and I introduced myself
846
01:06:44,803 --> 01:06:49,152
and, as he spoke back,
immediately my...
847
01:06:49,177 --> 01:06:51,444
Something in me just
said, this is not right,
848
01:06:51,469 --> 01:06:53,070
there's something wrong here.
849
01:06:53,095 --> 01:06:55,361
I speak with him for a long time.
850
01:06:55,386 --> 01:06:59,277
He asked me to repeat all the
stories I'd been telling everybody.
851
01:06:59,302 --> 01:07:02,695
I remember people grabbing me
and putting me in the van.
852
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:07,360
I went to sleep and I woke up in
a room. There was other kids...
853
01:07:07,385 --> 01:07:10,611
I didn't see the same
physiological change
854
01:07:10,636 --> 01:07:17,610
in his body posture, in his
pupil size, in his heart rate,
855
01:07:17,635 --> 01:07:19,111
that I would normally see
856
01:07:19,136 --> 01:07:22,252
with somebody who's talking
about a traumatic experience.
857
01:07:27,593 --> 01:07:31,736
He couldn't speak English
without an accent.
858
01:07:31,761 --> 01:07:36,714
That told me about the development of his
brain, and the development of language.
859
01:07:38,845 --> 01:07:44,277
You just cannot be raised for the
first six, seven years of your life
860
01:07:44,302 --> 01:07:48,694
in an English-speaking home
861
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:53,318
and later on, you know,
eight, nine years later,
862
01:07:53,343 --> 01:07:56,318
even 10 years later,
863
01:07:56,343 --> 01:07:59,010
not be able to speak
English without an accent.
864
01:08:01,469 --> 01:08:06,752
I can guarantee you that this kid was not
raised in an English-speaking family.
865
01:08:08,468 --> 01:08:11,901
You know, I don't know who he is but the
person who was... I was interviewing
866
01:08:11,926 --> 01:08:14,046
could not have been
Nicholas Barclay.
867
01:08:16,383 --> 01:08:20,044
Ok, the worst scenario just
showed up and I don't like that.
868
01:08:21,385 --> 01:08:23,818
This investigation did a 90°.
869
01:08:23,843 --> 01:08:27,459
It just went from one, one place
all the way up to another.
870
01:08:28,051 --> 01:08:30,943
I immediately called Carey
Gibson and I said to her,
871
01:08:30,968 --> 01:08:35,108
"Carey, Dr Perry has just stated that
this person cannot be your brother,"
872
01:08:35,133 --> 01:08:37,623
for the fact that he
cannot be an American.
873
01:08:39,009 --> 01:08:41,675
"This could be a very
dangerous person."
874
01:08:43,426 --> 01:08:48,415
She shrieked or screamed
and said, "Oh, my gosh!"
875
01:08:50,675 --> 01:08:53,067
So I said, "Don't be at
the airport," you know.
876
01:08:53,092 --> 01:08:55,942
"I'll handle it. I will take
care of this individual"
877
01:08:55,967 --> 01:08:58,400
and that she did not
have to take him home,
878
01:08:58,425 --> 01:09:00,567
you know, back to her
home to live with them
879
01:09:00,592 --> 01:09:02,997
and she says, "Ok, Ok."
880
01:09:07,884 --> 01:09:14,294
We fly back into San Antonio and
there's Carey standing there.
881
01:09:15,717 --> 01:09:16,795
What?
882
01:09:21,091 --> 01:09:23,982
She acted like we'd never
had that conversation.
883
01:09:24,007 --> 01:09:28,251
And she acted excited to see
him, asked him how his trip was.
884
01:09:29,135 --> 01:09:31,289
I think I just stared
for a minute...
885
01:09:32,674 --> 01:09:35,983
And I called the US Attorneys'
Office right then and there
886
01:09:36,008 --> 01:09:37,999
and I said, "What do I do?"
887
01:09:39,174 --> 01:09:44,294
And the Assistant US Attorney said,
"Let him return to her temporarily."
888
01:09:45,799 --> 01:09:49,107
She welcomed this person home
just like he was her brother.
889
01:09:49,132 --> 01:09:53,077
I didn't have any clue as to why
she behaved in this manner.
890
01:09:53,465 --> 01:09:55,775
Because in my
conversation with her,
891
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,548
I had said, "This person
is not your brother."
892
01:09:59,550 --> 01:10:03,565
I don't think... I don't remember
her putting it in those words.
893
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:07,066
Well, maybe they wanted him
so badly to be their son
894
01:10:07,091 --> 01:10:08,898
that they said he was their son,
895
01:10:08,923 --> 01:10:11,626
but it was starting
to get ridiculous.
896
01:10:15,799 --> 01:10:19,495
I couldn't let it go. There was no
way in the world I could let it go.
897
01:10:21,173 --> 01:10:23,608
I started going into
the neighbourhood,
898
01:10:23,633 --> 01:10:25,732
and finding out about the
real Nicholas Barclay,
899
01:10:25,757 --> 01:10:27,482
interviewing the neighbours,
900
01:10:27,507 --> 01:10:30,899
trying to find out what
I could about that boy
901
01:10:30,924 --> 01:10:32,689
and about that family.
902
01:10:32,714 --> 01:10:34,566
And what's going on?
903
01:10:34,591 --> 01:10:36,815
You know, why would
Nicholas have left?
904
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,856
The police used to usually come
905
01:10:39,881 --> 01:10:44,373
maybe like twice or
three times a month.
906
01:10:45,798 --> 01:10:47,481
Either it was argument
with the kids
907
01:10:47,506 --> 01:10:50,855
or with their boyfriend
or with the other son.
908
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:57,774
I spoke to everyone and they all said
that Nicholas had caused trouble,
909
01:10:57,799 --> 01:10:59,605
had come home late at night.
910
01:10:59,630 --> 01:11:01,981
We've all had arguments
in our family,
911
01:11:02,006 --> 01:11:03,898
but it's rare that
we call the police,
912
01:11:03,923 --> 01:11:06,044
that it is so bad that
they have to come.
913
01:11:06,797 --> 01:11:09,690
It, it made me think there
was something going on,
914
01:11:09,715 --> 01:11:11,919
more than meets the eye.
Of course it did.
915
01:11:17,297 --> 01:11:21,126
I knew that DNA samples would prove
that he wasn't Nicholas Barclay.
916
01:11:26,048 --> 01:11:28,438
Mrs Dollarhide said,
"This is my son."
917
01:11:28,463 --> 01:11:31,689
I don't have to provide blood
samples for you for DNA
918
01:11:31,714 --> 01:11:33,355
and she laid down on the floor,
919
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:35,455
literally laid down on the floor,
920
01:11:36,130 --> 01:11:38,915
and said, "No, and you can't pick
me up, and you can't make me."
921
01:11:39,338 --> 01:11:44,624
I did not want to go anywhere with the
FBI, but I don't remember refusing.
922
01:11:45,129 --> 01:11:47,604
I was stunned. I've never
had that reaction before.
923
01:11:47,629 --> 01:11:50,119
She wasn't just apathetic,
she was hostile.
924
01:11:51,923 --> 01:11:56,645
To be honest with you, I really have no
idea what I was thinking at that time.
925
01:11:56,670 --> 01:12:01,375
My main goal in life
was not, not to think.
926
01:12:03,755 --> 01:12:06,670
We didn't need to prove who
he was. We knew who he was.
927
01:12:09,504 --> 01:12:14,938
I no longer saw them as a grieving
erm... victimised family.
928
01:12:14,963 --> 01:12:17,959
I saw them as a very
questionable family.
929
01:12:18,504 --> 01:12:23,292
There would be no reason for them to
accept a stranger into their lives...
930
01:12:24,755 --> 01:12:27,063
unless there was something to hide.
931
01:12:27,088 --> 01:12:28,938
That would be the only reason.
932
01:12:28,963 --> 01:12:32,045
Something was being hidden and
I didn't know what that was.
933
01:12:41,712 --> 01:12:45,395
When Beverly refused to
give her blood sample,
934
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:48,521
I started to become suspicious.
935
01:12:48,546 --> 01:12:51,497
They knew that I wasn't Nicholas.
936
01:12:53,337 --> 01:12:55,457
Whatever I was telling them,
937
01:12:57,628 --> 01:12:59,605
they didn't believe a word of it.
938
01:12:59,630 --> 01:13:01,418
But they were good
at not showing it.
939
01:13:03,504 --> 01:13:07,664
I mean, who wouldn't see it?
940
01:13:09,962 --> 01:13:13,020
That's about four,
five years ago now.
941
01:13:13,045 --> 01:13:16,540
I remember in Spain, Carey
did everything for me.
942
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,828
When I didn't know
something, she told me.
943
01:13:22,045 --> 01:13:24,810
"You forgot everything but
you're going to remember it now"
944
01:13:24,835 --> 01:13:30,019
and, you know, this was Mom at the place
we're living in with... Do you remember?
945
01:13:30,044 --> 01:13:34,478
Oh, this was Chantelle. You remember
Chantelle. That's your niece, my daughter.
946
01:13:34,503 --> 01:13:37,852
"Do you remember that? Do you
remember that? Do you remember that?"
947
01:13:37,877 --> 01:13:39,811
Over and over and over again.
948
01:13:39,836 --> 01:13:41,062
That's Jason.
949
01:13:41,087 --> 01:13:43,851
She wanted to put it in my head.
950
01:13:43,876 --> 01:13:46,746
She wanted to put it in my
head so I would never forget.
951
01:13:47,837 --> 01:13:50,936
She just could not say
it's not Nicholas.
952
01:13:50,961 --> 01:13:52,894
Did she believe it or not?
953
01:13:52,919 --> 01:13:54,269
If you asked me, I would say,
954
01:13:54,294 --> 01:13:56,960
no, not for a second did she
believe I was her brother.
955
01:13:58,045 --> 01:14:00,284
She decided I was
gonna be her brother.
956
01:14:02,044 --> 01:14:04,367
It's like I woke up
in a place where...
957
01:14:06,003 --> 01:14:08,351
Lies even bigger than what I did.
958
01:14:08,376 --> 01:14:09,953
You know, it's...
959
01:14:10,793 --> 01:14:15,701
they pretended as much
as I did and even more.
960
01:14:23,876 --> 01:14:27,243
I kept thinking about the
kid, Nicholas Barclay.
961
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:39,144
At the time of his disappearance,
962
01:14:39,169 --> 01:14:42,684
he was living with Beverly in
the house on Swallow Street
963
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:45,744
and his brother Jason
was also living there.
964
01:14:52,042 --> 01:14:53,392
Jason, Nick's older brother,
965
01:14:53,417 --> 01:14:55,143
when he moved into their house,
966
01:14:55,168 --> 01:14:56,434
that house changed,
967
01:14:56,459 --> 01:14:57,851
because before he got there,
968
01:14:57,876 --> 01:14:59,142
Nick and his mom
969
01:14:59,167 --> 01:15:00,910
seemed pretty close to me.
970
01:15:02,251 --> 01:15:03,894
She loved him to death.
971
01:15:03,919 --> 01:15:08,704
I mean, she loved him, you could tell...
She, she... He was the light of her life.
972
01:15:09,709 --> 01:15:13,225
This guy moved in, he was
a bum, a drug addict
973
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:14,851
and he only cared about himself.
974
01:15:14,876 --> 01:15:18,601
And when he got into that house, it
just made things that much more worse.
975
01:15:18,626 --> 01:15:22,809
In fact, I think it even pushed
his mom into doing drugs herself
976
01:15:22,834 --> 01:15:24,475
when he moved into the house.
977
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:27,617
That house just became a
volatile situation altogether.
978
01:15:31,459 --> 01:15:33,101
I discovered from the police files,
979
01:15:33,126 --> 01:15:35,695
a couple of months after
the disappearance,
980
01:15:36,291 --> 01:15:38,683
that Jason had called the police
981
01:15:38,708 --> 01:15:42,455
and said that his brother had
tried to break into the house.
982
01:15:45,667 --> 01:15:47,976
Well, we see that kind
of thing all the time.
983
01:15:48,001 --> 01:15:51,265
People, people are constantly
doing stuff like that
984
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:54,538
to make people think
that person's alive.
985
01:15:58,041 --> 01:15:59,640
I started to put two
and two together
986
01:15:59,665 --> 01:16:02,618
and I thought something happened
inside that house to that boy.
987
01:16:10,539 --> 01:16:13,576
I didn't need to be Columbo to
put all the pieces together.
988
01:16:15,834 --> 01:16:17,907
They killed him.
989
01:16:18,582 --> 01:16:22,576
Some of them did it, some of them knew of
it, and some of them chose to ignore it.
990
01:16:29,332 --> 01:16:32,081
I wasn't worried about
Nicholas coming back no more.
991
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:39,681
Neither Nicholas Barclay or
his mother were cooperating,
992
01:16:39,706 --> 01:16:43,058
so we were going to have to
have a search warrant executed
993
01:16:43,083 --> 01:16:45,749
in order to obtain
those blood samples.
994
01:16:47,707 --> 01:16:52,282
I couldn't pretend no more to be
Nicholas and act like Nicholas.
995
01:16:53,541 --> 01:16:56,987
I took two or three other agents
with me to go pick him up.
996
01:16:58,624 --> 01:17:04,820
So inside me, I started getting, you
know, more and more aggressive,
997
01:17:05,415 --> 01:17:06,693
weird.
998
01:17:07,206 --> 01:17:08,829
I couldn't go on.
999
01:17:09,624 --> 01:17:12,557
We got the fingerprints and
we got the palm prints.
1000
01:17:12,582 --> 01:17:16,472
Within a few weeks, we would be sending
them out to Interpol, to the embassies,
1001
01:17:16,497 --> 01:17:18,473
to see if any of these fingerprints
1002
01:17:18,498 --> 01:17:21,390
matched anything that
they had on record.
1003
01:17:21,415 --> 01:17:23,266
I was trying to find a way out,
1004
01:17:23,291 --> 01:17:26,306
not only a way out in
San Antonio, Texas,
1005
01:17:26,331 --> 01:17:28,535
but a way out, out of my mind.
1006
01:17:29,082 --> 01:17:32,472
Nicholas was becoming much
more agitated and angry
1007
01:17:32,497 --> 01:17:35,347
and I really felt like
he was going to run away
1008
01:17:35,372 --> 01:17:38,490
and if he ran away we might have
a very hard time locating him.
1009
01:17:39,333 --> 01:17:42,014
I started tailing him, I
started following him.
1010
01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:45,596
I started sitting up on
Beverly's place where she lived
1011
01:17:45,621 --> 01:17:49,781
and writing down license numbers of all
the cars that came to her, to see her.
1012
01:17:51,706 --> 01:17:55,805
So I took a razor blade
and I slit my face.
1013
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:59,014
Everything was snowballing and
snowballing and snowballing.
1014
01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:02,721
I show them, show them that
1015
01:18:02,746 --> 01:18:05,305
I was under a great
deal of pressure.
1016
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:07,387
On March 3rd of 1998,
1017
01:18:07,412 --> 01:18:11,181
the legate in Madrid,
Spain, called me
1018
01:18:11,206 --> 01:18:14,014
and he said, "We've
just identified him."
1019
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:15,555
And I said, "You're kidding?"
1020
01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:20,722
I knew that everything was going down
and it was just a matter of weeks.
1021
01:18:20,747 --> 01:18:25,700
He said, "What I'm gonna do right now
is fax to you the records that I have."
1022
01:18:27,706 --> 01:18:29,388
He agreed to meet with me.
1023
01:18:29,413 --> 01:18:31,285
We ordered hot cakes.
1024
01:18:31,745 --> 01:18:34,054
And we started to eat.
1025
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:36,012
And he said...
1026
01:18:36,037 --> 01:18:38,431
I said, "You really made
your mother angry."
1027
01:18:38,456 --> 01:18:41,571
And he said, "She's not my
mother and you know it."
1028
01:18:42,539 --> 01:18:44,363
And I thought, well,
I'll be damned.
1029
01:18:44,746 --> 01:18:46,987
And so I stood over
the fax machine,
1030
01:18:48,746 --> 01:18:51,304
waiting for, of course,
them to come in
1031
01:18:51,329 --> 01:18:53,568
because I was screaming
and jumping up and down.
1032
01:18:55,746 --> 01:18:57,763
I actually said, "Well,
I'll be damned",
1033
01:18:57,788 --> 01:19:00,276
you're going to finally
tell me who you are."
1034
01:19:02,537 --> 01:19:06,804
I was like doing a dance and
everybody was high-fiving.
1035
01:19:06,829 --> 01:19:10,326
It was like, you know, we finally,
we finally know who this person is.
1036
01:19:12,537 --> 01:19:16,928
And my heart was beating fast, just
like it is now thinking about it.
1037
01:19:16,953 --> 01:19:20,387
And... And I said, "Who are you?"
1038
01:19:20,412 --> 01:19:23,575
He said, "I'm Frederic Bourdin
and I'm wanted by Interpol."
1039
01:19:26,536 --> 01:19:28,345
The fingerprint cards told me
1040
01:19:28,370 --> 01:19:31,701
that he was not 16, he was 23.
1041
01:19:32,327 --> 01:19:34,735
That he was not American,
he was French.
1042
01:19:34,996 --> 01:19:37,994
That he was not Nicholas Barclay,
he was Frederic Bourdin.
1043
01:19:38,704 --> 01:19:41,677
We grow up in America
thinking Interpol
1044
01:19:41,702 --> 01:19:45,303
is kind of the God of the cops.
You follow me?
1045
01:19:45,328 --> 01:19:47,928
That's the highest step
you can get in "Copland".
1046
01:19:47,953 --> 01:19:50,178
And so I thought, Jesus Christ,
1047
01:19:50,203 --> 01:19:53,595
if he's wanted by Interpol,
what has he done? You know.
1048
01:19:53,620 --> 01:19:55,636
There is no limit
to what he's done.
1049
01:19:55,661 --> 01:19:57,202
So he began to tell me.
1050
01:20:00,661 --> 01:20:02,801
Frederic Bourdin is delinquent.
1051
01:20:02,826 --> 01:20:04,902
Activities and modus operandi...
1052
01:20:13,787 --> 01:20:15,470
He has travelled throughout Europe
1053
01:20:15,495 --> 01:20:17,011
appearing at shelters for minors
1054
01:20:17,036 --> 01:20:18,493
under different aliases.
1055
01:20:19,327 --> 01:20:21,118
Spain, 1992.
1056
01:20:22,578 --> 01:20:24,900
Spain, September 1993.
1057
01:20:28,993 --> 01:20:30,051
Barcelona...
1058
01:20:30,076 --> 01:20:33,262
stated that he'd run away from
his adoptive parents' house.
1059
01:20:33,287 --> 01:20:35,360
Brussels, '95.
1060
01:20:37,619 --> 01:20:39,428
Pyrenees...
1061
01:20:39,453 --> 01:20:41,443
Milan, 1993.
1062
01:20:42,743 --> 01:20:43,968
Glasgow.
1063
01:20:43,993 --> 01:20:46,909
I sat there. I could hardly eat,
I could hardly swallow my food.
1064
01:20:52,703 --> 01:20:53,885
He always wore glasses.
1065
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:56,093
Giovanni Petrullo.
1066
01:20:56,118 --> 01:20:58,192
Michelangelo Martini.
1067
01:20:58,743 --> 01:20:59,821
Donovan MacNeph.
1068
01:21:01,451 --> 01:21:02,885
- Peter Samson.
- William Thomas.
1069
01:21:02,910 --> 01:21:04,637
Jimmy Sale.
1070
01:21:04,662 --> 01:21:06,428
Peter Robin.
1071
01:21:06,453 --> 01:21:08,469
James Markey.
1072
01:21:08,494 --> 01:21:09,593
Frederic Cassie.
1073
01:21:09,618 --> 01:21:10,695
'93.
1074
01:21:12,909 --> 01:21:14,260
Hernandez Fernandez.
1075
01:21:14,285 --> 01:21:15,342
'95.
1076
01:21:15,367 --> 01:21:16,551
Edgar Guteyere.
1077
01:21:16,576 --> 01:21:17,885
'97.
1078
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:19,984
Spain, 1997.
1079
01:21:20,283 --> 01:21:22,653
It's possible he may
need psychiatric help.
1080
01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:28,800
Settle in tonight
1081
01:21:28,825 --> 01:21:30,802
because we are about
to share with you
1082
01:21:30,827 --> 01:21:32,426
a story so bizarre,
1083
01:21:32,451 --> 01:21:34,552
it's hard to believe it's true.
1084
01:21:34,577 --> 01:21:37,134
This is the tale of
a master imposter
1085
01:21:37,159 --> 01:21:40,551
who managed to lie his way
into the United States
1086
01:21:40,576 --> 01:21:43,968
and prey upon the most
vulnerable of people.
1087
01:21:43,993 --> 01:21:46,093
He is the only person in US history
1088
01:21:46,118 --> 01:21:49,649
ever to have assumed the
identity of a missing child.
1089
01:21:49,867 --> 01:21:52,675
He fooled even the
lost boy's mother.
1090
01:21:52,700 --> 01:21:55,401
It's hard to imagine how he
could have gotten away with it.
1091
01:22:18,365 --> 01:22:22,312
We knew it was going to be, you
know, heart-wrenching and...
1092
01:22:23,616 --> 01:22:24,799
you know...
1093
01:22:24,824 --> 01:22:26,814
but we never thought
it wouldn't be him.
1094
01:22:27,658 --> 01:22:30,050
You know, why would
you even think that?
1095
01:22:30,075 --> 01:22:32,315
The first feeling was
complete sadness.
1096
01:22:32,534 --> 01:22:35,050
Because it wasn't Nicholas.
1097
01:22:35,075 --> 01:22:37,091
Which took us back to square one.
1098
01:22:37,116 --> 01:22:39,467
Where is Nicholas?
1099
01:22:39,492 --> 01:22:41,566
That was the first one.
1100
01:22:43,158 --> 01:22:45,941
The second emotion was,
1101
01:22:48,742 --> 01:22:51,590
how could I be so fucking stupid?
1102
01:22:51,615 --> 01:22:53,439
I mean, seriously.
1103
01:22:57,407 --> 01:23:01,133
I contacted the SAPD, the San
Antonio Police Department,
1104
01:23:01,158 --> 01:23:05,316
and told them, decided to tell
them, that, hey, they killed him.
1105
01:23:09,283 --> 01:23:11,772
Based upon Frederic
Bourdin's allegations,
1106
01:23:12,573 --> 01:23:16,174
a homicide investigation was opened
1107
01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:19,923
and the allegation was
against the family members
1108
01:23:19,948 --> 01:23:24,505
as being... participating in the
disappearance of the child.
1109
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:29,049
It was related to us that
while Frederic was in jail
1110
01:23:29,074 --> 01:23:31,799
that he said that my
mom confessed to him
1111
01:23:31,824 --> 01:23:34,774
that her and Jason killed
Nicholas and hid the body.
1112
01:23:36,990 --> 01:23:38,532
They accused me first
1113
01:23:40,949 --> 01:23:43,022
and it totally freaked me out.
1114
01:23:44,698 --> 01:23:50,065
Because I, I... have been
crazy but never violent.
1115
01:23:52,323 --> 01:23:56,946
This is the street the kid
lived on when he went missing.
1116
01:24:03,781 --> 01:24:05,855
There's the house right there.
1117
01:24:09,948 --> 01:24:11,854
I think the boy's buried here.
1118
01:24:14,406 --> 01:24:17,505
I want to talk to Darryl inside.
1119
01:24:17,530 --> 01:24:23,941
He's agreed to let me dig and
see if Nicholas Barclay's here.
1120
01:24:26,157 --> 01:24:28,964
If Beverly knew that this
individual was not her son,
1121
01:24:28,989 --> 01:24:31,839
then she had to have some
type of ulterior motive
1122
01:24:31,864 --> 01:24:35,881
and it had to be
something very scary
1123
01:24:35,906 --> 01:24:39,631
for her to accept a
stranger into her household
1124
01:24:39,656 --> 01:24:41,130
posing as her own son.
1125
01:24:41,155 --> 01:24:43,276
I agreed to take a
lie detector test.
1126
01:24:44,489 --> 01:24:46,562
She passed the polygraph.
1127
01:24:47,530 --> 01:24:50,754
And I said to the
polygraph examiner,
1128
01:24:50,779 --> 01:24:52,462
"I don't understand this,
1129
01:24:52,487 --> 01:24:55,192
I don't understand it at all.
Will you give it to her again?"
1130
01:25:02,155 --> 01:25:05,588
So he gave it to her again and
she passed the polygraph.
1131
01:25:05,613 --> 01:25:08,647
I said, "No, there
is something wrong."
1132
01:25:11,071 --> 01:25:13,145
The third time he gave it to her,
1133
01:25:14,365 --> 01:25:15,712
she flunked every question.
1134
01:25:15,737 --> 01:25:17,128
I mean, like, big-time.
1135
01:25:17,153 --> 01:25:21,017
The polygrapher said the machine
practically jumped off the table.
1136
01:25:21,821 --> 01:25:25,602
Her answers appeared to
be false on everything.
1137
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,920
And he turned to her and he said,
1138
01:25:30,945 --> 01:25:35,380
"Mrs Dollarhide, it appears that
you know where your son is.
1139
01:25:35,405 --> 01:25:39,729
"It appears that you know what happened
to him" and some other questions.
1140
01:25:39,987 --> 01:25:43,088
And that's when she became very
aggravated, very agitated,
1141
01:25:43,113 --> 01:25:44,937
jumped up and ran out
and was screaming.
1142
01:25:48,278 --> 01:25:52,522
I lied about being... stealing,
1143
01:25:54,696 --> 01:25:57,694
and I had... so
that's why I failed.
1144
01:25:58,529 --> 01:26:02,128
I didn't lie about anything
to do with Nicholas.
1145
01:26:02,153 --> 01:26:04,061
It was the other questions.
1146
01:26:05,487 --> 01:26:07,379
- Darryl? Charlie Parker.
- Mr Parker.
1147
01:26:07,404 --> 01:26:09,476
How are you doin'?
1148
01:26:09,945 --> 01:26:11,170
It's nice in here.
1149
01:26:11,195 --> 01:26:12,671
So this is the house, huh?
1150
01:26:12,696 --> 01:26:14,086
Yes, Sir.
1151
01:26:14,111 --> 01:26:19,444
The polygraph led us to believe that
she did have some information...
1152
01:26:21,570 --> 01:26:25,695
she could provide that she refused to
and we felt like Jason had information.
1153
01:26:26,362 --> 01:26:30,961
If Jason did something to
Nicholas, I didn't know about it
1154
01:26:30,986 --> 01:26:35,712
and I can't imagine
Jason ever doing that.
1155
01:26:35,737 --> 01:26:38,105
It's just not in his makeup,
1156
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:44,144
but... I don't know.
1157
01:26:45,111 --> 01:26:52,045
I know my brother or my mother did not
kill Nicholas, accidentally, on purpose.
1158
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:54,606
Whatever Frederic said,
it never happened.
1159
01:26:55,403 --> 01:27:00,169
When we first got my dog, he was always
digging in the back corner over there
1160
01:27:00,194 --> 01:27:01,586
where the, the tree is.
1161
01:27:01,611 --> 01:27:06,378
And one day I was mowing and saw,
like, pieces of, like, plastic,
1162
01:27:06,403 --> 01:27:08,836
- kind of like a tarp kind of material...
- Ok.
1163
01:27:08,861 --> 01:27:11,751
Sticking out of the ground. I tried
to pull it up to get it out,
1164
01:27:11,776 --> 01:27:14,709
and it just kept ripping on me
as it was stuck in the ground.
1165
01:27:14,734 --> 01:27:17,335
So I never paid any attention
to it or gave it any thought,
1166
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,767
until last night when we
were speaking on the phone.
1167
01:27:20,819 --> 01:27:23,023
And the bush has
been there a while?
1168
01:27:26,110 --> 01:27:30,168
I had initially tried to get a hold
of Jason prior to Frederic's arrest
1169
01:27:30,193 --> 01:27:31,437
and couldn't.
1170
01:27:32,527 --> 01:27:35,461
And then when I finally
did get a hold of him,
1171
01:27:35,486 --> 01:27:38,152
I asked him about the
disappearance of his brother.
1172
01:27:39,111 --> 01:27:44,375
He just seemed totally apathetic about the
disappearance of his younger brother.
1173
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:45,792
Extremely apathetic.
1174
01:27:45,817 --> 01:27:49,045
And didn't care that
he'd been returned
1175
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:50,419
but when he did see him,
1176
01:27:50,444 --> 01:27:52,085
no, that wasn't his brother,
1177
01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:55,002
but he didn't seem interested
enough or excited enough
1178
01:27:55,027 --> 01:27:58,043
to tell his mother and sister,
"That's not my brother.
1179
01:27:58,068 --> 01:28:00,687
No, no, they just
wanted to believe."
1180
01:28:01,275 --> 01:28:04,001
Yeah, it's a good spot. Let's see.
1181
01:28:04,026 --> 01:28:06,100
Say he dumps him here first...
1182
01:28:07,776 --> 01:28:10,608
and then, if he looks up,
1183
01:28:12,150 --> 01:28:15,041
yeah, yeah, this is
good, this is good.
1184
01:28:15,066 --> 01:28:18,960
He was very hostile, refused
to help in any way,
1185
01:28:18,985 --> 01:28:23,001
and then he later left the
drug rehabilitation centre
1186
01:28:23,026 --> 01:28:26,520
and was found having died
from a drug overdose.
1187
01:28:26,942 --> 01:28:30,805
I think that Jason became a perfect
scapegoat because he's not here.
1188
01:28:32,026 --> 01:28:34,667
He died,
1189
01:28:34,692 --> 01:28:39,728
so he can't be questioned
or, you know, anything.
1190
01:28:41,899 --> 01:28:44,814
I mean, he can't, he can't
even defend himself.
1191
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:57,059
It's kinda like a nightmare.
1192
01:28:57,358 --> 01:29:02,542
All this stuff is coming at you and none
of it's true but nobody believes you.
1193
01:29:02,567 --> 01:29:05,268
Or they think that you had
something to do with it.
1194
01:29:06,442 --> 01:29:11,264
And it's like getting in trouble
for something you didn't do.
1195
01:29:13,815 --> 01:29:17,834
You know, when kids tell
you, "I didn't do it!"
1196
01:29:17,859 --> 01:29:19,933
You're going, "Yeah, right."
1197
01:29:22,191 --> 01:29:24,265
But I didn't do it.
1198
01:29:26,858 --> 01:29:30,582
I do feel like the family knows the
whereabouts of Nicholas Barclay.
1199
01:29:30,607 --> 01:29:34,791
I think that Beverly Dollarhide and
Jason Dollarhide knew at one time
1200
01:29:34,816 --> 01:29:37,332
what happened to Nicholas Barclay.
1201
01:29:37,357 --> 01:29:39,082
Show me one piece of evidence,
1202
01:29:39,107 --> 01:29:42,790
show me one thing that will lock
anybody in our family up over this,
1203
01:29:42,815 --> 01:29:46,596
just one shred of actual proof.
1204
01:29:46,733 --> 01:29:48,854
Back here. Let's go back here.
1205
01:29:53,606 --> 01:29:56,974
The biggest, funniest
one to me, hilarious,
1206
01:29:57,524 --> 01:30:00,331
is that we went and picked
up a complete stranger
1207
01:30:00,356 --> 01:30:03,415
to hide the fact that
we killed Nicholas
1208
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:06,039
or someone in my family
killed Nicholas.
1209
01:30:06,064 --> 01:30:09,331
When through four years that
Nicholas was disappeared,
1210
01:30:09,356 --> 01:30:11,664
we were the only ones
looking for him.
1211
01:30:11,689 --> 01:30:17,142
Why would we go pick up a stranger to hide
something that didn't need to be hidden?
1212
01:30:26,856 --> 01:30:28,930
Just another one of his lies.
1213
01:30:32,523 --> 01:30:34,082
Even from behind bars,
1214
01:30:34,107 --> 01:30:37,472
he continued to lie to families
of other missing children.
1215
01:30:38,355 --> 01:30:40,121
From this phone in his cell,
1216
01:30:40,146 --> 01:30:42,163
Bourdin made hundreds
of collect calls
1217
01:30:42,188 --> 01:30:45,223
claiming to have information
about lost children.
1218
01:30:45,856 --> 01:30:47,415
He even said he could help solve
1219
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,164
the highly publicised case
of Sabrina Aisenberg,
1220
01:30:50,189 --> 01:30:53,934
an infant who was taken from her
home in Tampa, Florida, last year.
1221
01:30:57,688 --> 01:30:59,762
No.
1222
01:31:04,397 --> 01:31:05,806
Yes.
1223
01:31:11,356 --> 01:31:12,914
He's a habitual liar
1224
01:31:12,939 --> 01:31:14,707
and it blows my mind
1225
01:31:14,732 --> 01:31:20,679
that anybody can take anything that
is said out of his mouth as truth.
1226
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,830
What? This kid comes and
says he's Nicholas,
1227
01:31:26,855 --> 01:31:28,205
and then turns around and says,
1228
01:31:28,230 --> 01:31:31,205
"You... these people that
took care of me killed him."
1229
01:31:31,230 --> 01:31:33,913
Hm. How do you come up
with that conclusion?
1230
01:31:33,938 --> 01:31:36,496
He put us through enough already
1231
01:31:36,521 --> 01:31:40,330
and then for him to do this while
he's in jail for what he's done
1232
01:31:40,355 --> 01:31:42,559
and to 'cause more
pain to our family?
1233
01:31:43,565 --> 01:31:44,807
Fuck him.
1234
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,511
♪ 16 HORSEPOWER: Wayfaring Stranger ♪
1235
01:32:08,103 --> 01:32:12,372
I didn't give a damn what other people
were thinking, or what they were feeling.
1236
01:32:12,397 --> 01:32:15,560
I care about myself,
just about myself...
1237
01:32:17,812 --> 01:32:20,136
and fuck the rest of it.
1238
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,663
♪ I'm just a poor ♪
♪ wayfaring stranger ♪
1239
01:32:25,688 --> 01:32:29,468
♪ Travellin' through a world of woe ♪
1240
01:32:30,313 --> 01:32:34,495
♪ Ain't no sickness, toil or danger ♪
1241
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:38,135
♪ In that bright land to which I go ♪
1242
01:32:38,854 --> 01:32:42,895
♪ I'm goin' there to see my father ♪
1243
01:32:43,188 --> 01:32:47,495
♪ Said he'd meet me when I come ♪
1244
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,745
♪ I'm only goin' over Jordan ♪
1245
01:32:51,770 --> 01:32:55,633
♪ I'm only goin' over home ♪
1246
01:33:18,978 --> 01:33:22,923
♪ I know dark clouds are ♪
♪ gonna gather around me ♪
1247
01:33:23,144 --> 01:33:26,972
♪ I know my way'll ♪
♪ be rough and steep ♪
1248
01:33:27,687 --> 01:33:31,726
♪ Yet beautiful fields ♪
♪ lie just before me ♪
1249
01:33:31,935 --> 01:33:35,763
♪ Where God's redeemed ♪
♪ their vigils keep ♪
1250
01:33:36,186 --> 01:33:40,559
♪ I'm goin' there to ♪
♪ see my loved ones ♪
1251
01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:44,596
♪ Gone before me one by one ♪
1252
01:33:44,852 --> 01:33:49,059
♪ I'm only goin' over Jordan ♪
1253
01:33:49,353 --> 01:33:53,346
♪ I'm only goin' over home ♪
1254
01:33:57,894 --> 01:34:02,431
♪ I'll soon be free ♪
♪ from earthly trials ♪
1255
01:34:02,601 --> 01:34:06,549
♪ This body rest in ♪
♪ the old churchyard ♪
1256
01:34:06,770 --> 01:34:10,977
♪ I'll drop this ♪
♪ cross of self-denial ♪
1257
01:34:11,185 --> 01:34:15,428
♪ And go singing home to God ♪
1258
01:34:15,643 --> 01:34:19,910
♪ I'm goin' there to see my saviour ♪
1259
01:34:19,935 --> 01:34:24,285
♪ To dwell with Him, ♪
♪ no more to roam ♪
1260
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:28,617
♪ I'm only goin' over Jordan ♪
1261
01:34:28,642 --> 01:34:32,634
♪ I'm only goin' over home ♪
1262
01:34:33,059 --> 01:34:37,303
♪ I'm only goin' over home ♪
1263
01:34:53,476 --> 01:34:55,681
♪ Jimmy DRIFTWOOD: He ♪
♪ Had A Long Chain On ♪
1264
01:35:01,059 --> 01:35:04,093
♪ One night as I lay on my pillow ♪
1265
01:35:05,393 --> 01:35:08,095
♪ Moonlight as bright as the Dawn ♪
1266
01:35:09,475 --> 01:35:12,307
♪ I saw a man a-walkin' ♪
1267
01:35:13,475 --> 01:35:16,391
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1268
01:35:17,391 --> 01:35:20,059
♪ I heard his chain a-clankin' ♪
1269
01:35:21,641 --> 01:35:24,510
♪ It made a mournful sound ♪
1270
01:35:25,516 --> 01:35:28,182
♪ Welded around his body ♪
1271
01:35:29,432 --> 01:35:32,348
♪ Dragging along on the ground ♪
1272
01:35:33,559 --> 01:35:36,343
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1273
01:35:37,434 --> 01:35:40,134
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1274
01:35:41,598 --> 01:35:44,467
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1275
01:35:53,434 --> 01:35:56,098
♪ He stood beside my window ♪
1276
01:35:57,474 --> 01:36:00,044
♪ He looked at me and he said ♪
1277
01:36:01,015 --> 01:36:04,049
♪ "I am so tired and hungry ♪
1278
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:07,755
♪ Give me a bite of your bread" ♪
1279
01:36:09,306 --> 01:36:11,795
♪ He didn't look like a robber ♪
1280
01:36:13,224 --> 01:36:16,092
♪ He didn't look like a thief ♪
1281
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:19,799
♪ His voice was as ♪
♪ soft as the moonlight ♪
1282
01:36:20,974 --> 01:36:24,220
♪ His face full of sorrow and grief ♪
1283
01:36:24,931 --> 01:36:27,799
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1284
01:36:29,015 --> 01:36:31,766
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1285
01:36:32,974 --> 01:36:36,387
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1286
01:36:37,099 --> 01:36:39,668
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1287
01:36:40,890 --> 01:36:44,172
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
1288
01:36:45,140 --> 01:36:47,807
♪ He had a long chain on ♪
103395
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