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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:17,506 Most of the projects I initially worked on 2 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:18,883 were very strange movies, 3 00:00:18,894 --> 00:00:21,601 so you couldn't really hang them on any kind of peg. 4 00:00:21,605 --> 00:00:23,141 But then I discovered that certain things 5 00:00:23,148 --> 00:00:24,183 in my work scared them. 6 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:26,398 If I talked about the supernatural or something 7 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:28,141 or there was a murder or something in the story, 8 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:28,892 this would scare people. 9 00:00:28,904 --> 00:00:30,394 Although they might be not be relevant to it, 10 00:00:30,405 --> 00:00:31,565 or they might be misunderstanding it 11 00:00:31,573 --> 00:00:33,109 and I was able to pick up on that. 12 00:00:40,123 --> 00:00:42,159 I first heard of Richard Stanley in the early '90s 13 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:43,407 when hardware was coming out. 14 00:00:43,418 --> 00:00:45,750 At the time we were used to horror directors 15 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:47,870 having beards and looking like your dad, 16 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:50,543 and then here was this sort of young, hot guy. 17 00:00:50,551 --> 00:00:53,759 He had the long hair and a very mysterious look 18 00:00:53,762 --> 00:00:55,548 and the wide-brimmed hat 19 00:00:55,556 --> 00:00:57,888 that became associated with him over the years, 20 00:00:57,891 --> 00:01:01,224 making this brand new film that was unlike a lot of the films 21 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:03,560 that had been leading up to it in the '80s. 22 00:01:03,564 --> 00:01:06,431 I was very struck by Richard Stanley's vision. 23 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:08,147 It was kind of different from anything else 24 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:09,311 that had been going on. 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,355 His use of color and light and music 26 00:01:11,363 --> 00:01:14,901 and really creating this unique dystopian vision for his story. 27 00:01:14,908 --> 00:01:17,866 I still think it's one of the most important genre films 28 00:01:17,869 --> 00:01:19,825 of the '90s, but woven throughout it 29 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:22,822 was this sort of esoteric witchiness 30 00:01:22,833 --> 00:01:26,200 which is sort of a trademark of Richard Stanley's works 31 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:27,576 and his life in general. 32 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:30,921 Richard Stanley was casting this spell on you 33 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:32,380 when you watched his films. 34 00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:34,045 I was brought up by a strong mother 35 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:36,668 who was involved in witchcraft, anthropology, and stuff, 36 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,466 stayed on the road the whole time, 37 00:01:38,473 --> 00:01:40,839 but she was a very good mother in that she was very unstable 38 00:01:40,851 --> 00:01:45,470 and gave me a kind of disastrous upbringing 39 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,597 that was largely responsible for what I am today. 40 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:49,689 It was a huge hit. 41 00:01:49,693 --> 00:01:52,150 I mean in genre terms it was definitely a huge hit, 42 00:01:52,154 --> 00:01:53,940 and it was definitely something where 43 00:01:53,947 --> 00:01:55,357 this guy was the next big thing. 44 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:57,401 You know, this was somebody you wanted to see 45 00:01:57,409 --> 00:01:58,148 what he was going to do next, 46 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,401 and it was largely because of the success of hardware 47 00:02:00,412 --> 00:02:02,778 that miramax worked with him on dust devil. 48 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:04,825 Miramax's view on Richard? 49 00:02:04,833 --> 00:02:08,200 Uh... 50 00:02:08,211 --> 00:02:10,202 Good question. 51 00:02:10,213 --> 00:02:15,753 Um... I think that they like Richard 52 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:20,846 in a way that they like what he was with hardware. 53 00:02:20,849 --> 00:02:21,804 After dust devil, 54 00:02:21,808 --> 00:02:25,050 Richard gets the opportunity to direct the island of Dr. Moreau. 55 00:02:25,062 --> 00:02:26,893 We just thought that Richard Stanley 56 00:02:26,897 --> 00:02:28,137 doing island of Dr. Moreau 57 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:29,638 was one of the most exciting projects 58 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:30,981 we'd heard of in a while. 59 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:33,566 He was someone who had worked on the independent side, 60 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:35,652 but now he was getting the backing of a studio. 61 00:02:35,656 --> 00:02:37,567 This is going to be a huge project, 62 00:02:37,574 --> 00:02:39,656 and this is going to propel Richard Stanley 63 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:43,699 into the super stardom that he deserves as an auteur. 64 00:03:56,445 --> 00:03:58,356 Okay. Well, here we have a mound of 65 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:01,480 rather tatty surviving artworks from Dr. Moreau 66 00:04:01,491 --> 00:04:03,231 that gives some brief glimpse 67 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:06,326 into the workhouse of filthy creation. 68 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:08,911 A lot of the beast people are going to be wearing masks 69 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:10,997 just the same as human beings in, 70 00:04:11,001 --> 00:04:14,289 I guess, pagan tribes and faiths wear animal masks, 71 00:04:14,296 --> 00:04:16,878 we wanted the beast people to be wearing human masks. 72 00:04:16,882 --> 00:04:19,749 And the sloth-people, they weren't very bright. 73 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,341 I originally wanted them to be stop-motion 74 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:22,049 or something like that. 75 00:04:22,053 --> 00:04:24,385 I wanted a couple of stop-motion creates in there. 76 00:04:24,389 --> 00:04:26,050 I think it happens in a rather different way 77 00:04:26,057 --> 00:04:27,638 in the frankenheimer movie. 78 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:29,724 One of the shots used would have never gotten in 79 00:04:29,728 --> 00:04:31,389 the finished new line version, 80 00:04:31,396 --> 00:04:35,059 mutant baby sucks a mutant nipple, happily. 81 00:04:37,861 --> 00:04:39,192 I'd first come across the book, 82 00:04:39,196 --> 00:04:40,777 in fact, the same copy I've got here, 83 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:44,899 which is a first edition in my father's bookshelf. 84 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:47,026 When I was very small, four or five, 85 00:04:47,037 --> 00:04:49,653 I remember being drawn to it, 86 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:51,200 probably because it was bright red, 87 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:52,914 and it's got some interesting plates in it. 88 00:04:52,918 --> 00:04:55,125 And I'm being warned off by my parents, 89 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:57,585 who consistently told me it was too scary, 90 00:04:57,589 --> 00:04:59,875 which, of course, drew me to it very strongly, 91 00:04:59,883 --> 00:05:01,714 and I read it as fast as I could. 92 00:05:01,718 --> 00:05:07,088 It's a book about humanity, about man and nature, 93 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:08,804 man and god, 94 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:10,174 civilization 95 00:05:10,185 --> 00:05:12,392 and essentially what it means to be human. 96 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:14,852 It's a vast, complex book 97 00:05:14,856 --> 00:05:17,598 written right at the height of the British empire, 98 00:05:17,609 --> 00:05:21,147 and I think spurred by Darwin's theory on 99 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:22,940 the origin of the species 100 00:05:22,948 --> 00:05:24,734 and in the book Moreau's been hounded out 101 00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:27,528 of conventional society in London by anti-vivisectionists 102 00:05:27,536 --> 00:05:29,401 who have been obviously appalled by what he is doing. 103 00:05:29,412 --> 00:05:32,779 A flayed dog escapes from his laboratory in London, 104 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:35,407 which causes a controversy in the newspapers, 105 00:05:35,418 --> 00:05:36,908 the Moreau horrors. 106 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,751 He's forced to try to find a place in the world 107 00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:40,336 where he's able to work in isolation 108 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:43,707 without conventional society looking over his shoulder. 109 00:05:43,718 --> 00:05:46,425 To a large extent he is a metaphor for god. 110 00:05:46,429 --> 00:05:49,045 He is the creator-being. 111 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:52,094 He created the beast-people. They're not experiments. 112 00:05:52,102 --> 00:05:53,967 They are things which had never existed before. 113 00:05:53,979 --> 00:05:55,185 In a curious footnote, 114 00:05:55,188 --> 00:05:59,648 Wells was a close friend at that point in time of Joseph Conrad. 115 00:05:59,651 --> 00:06:02,688 And about one year later, Conrad turned in a book called 116 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:03,981 heart of darkness 117 00:06:03,989 --> 00:06:06,651 which caused Wells and Conrad to fall out bitterly 118 00:06:06,658 --> 00:06:08,740 as Wells' claimed that Conrad was essentially 119 00:06:08,743 --> 00:06:10,654 ripping off island of Dr. Moreau 120 00:06:10,662 --> 00:06:13,574 and that the character of Kurtz in heart of darkness 121 00:06:13,582 --> 00:06:16,073 was based on Moreau, 122 00:06:16,084 --> 00:06:17,790 certainly structurally there's similarities 123 00:06:17,794 --> 00:06:18,624 between the two books. 124 00:06:18,628 --> 00:06:22,086 The narrator spends the entire story journeying towards 125 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:24,126 the island in island of Dr. Moreau 126 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:27,297 and eventually getting up to finally addressing Moreau 127 00:06:27,304 --> 00:06:28,919 and asking what it's all about 128 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:31,216 in the same what way that the narrator Marlow 129 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:32,839 journeys upriver to find Kurtz. 130 00:06:32,851 --> 00:06:34,967 Certainly with heart of darkness, 131 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:40,644 Kurtz's character has retreated from mankind per se 132 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:42,515 and certainly civilization. 133 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:45,064 Conrad defended the accusations of plagiarism 134 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:47,062 by claiming that, in fact, he had based 135 00:06:47,073 --> 00:06:49,780 the character of Kurtz, not on Dr. Moreau, 136 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:51,866 but on the celebrated African traveler 137 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:53,235 sir Henry Morton Stanley. 138 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:54,702 What's interesting, 139 00:06:54,706 --> 00:06:57,573 as far as Richard's concerned, that his great-grandfather, 140 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,245 Henry Morton Stanley, 141 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:00,867 was considered to be one of... 142 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:02,790 The main basis of Kurtz's character. 143 00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:05,129 It seems, of course, that Stanley did kind of give him 144 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:06,998 this megalomaniac texture, 145 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:10,377 and it seems like he was less than gentle 146 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:12,379 with the locals, shall we say. 147 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,692 The book was first adapted to the screen in 1932 148 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:29,608 by erle c. Kenton under the title island of lost souls. 149 00:07:29,616 --> 00:07:31,152 Wells was still alive at the time 150 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:34,617 and was bitterly disappointed by the film adaption. 151 00:07:34,621 --> 00:07:37,533 He felt it was a terrible bastardization of his work; 152 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,246 and to some extent he's right, 153 00:07:39,250 --> 00:07:40,990 although island of lost souls 154 00:07:41,002 --> 00:07:44,039 is probably the most effective screen adaptation. 155 00:07:44,047 --> 00:07:47,414 Charles laughton chooses to play Moreau as a gloating sadist 156 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:49,586 who spends much the movie twirling his mustachios 157 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:51,209 and reclining chaise lounge. 158 00:07:51,221 --> 00:07:52,961 It's a very memorable portrayal, 159 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:55,885 although very far from the humane, 160 00:07:55,892 --> 00:07:58,224 god-like figure envisioned by Wells. 161 00:07:58,228 --> 00:08:01,061 It also compresses the narrative in a way which 162 00:08:01,064 --> 00:08:04,181 I think every subsequent adaptation copied 163 00:08:04,192 --> 00:08:06,854 in that they're always only interested in the beast-people 164 00:08:06,861 --> 00:08:07,816 overthrowing Moreau, 165 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:09,561 and that's usually the end of the movie; 166 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:13,064 whereas, in the Wells' book the beast people liberate themselves 167 00:08:13,076 --> 00:08:14,941 just after the halfway Mark in the book, 168 00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:16,568 and things really become problematic 169 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:17,568 once the beast people 170 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:19,536 try to run the island for themselves. 171 00:08:19,541 --> 00:08:22,374 Wells knew that simply by giving control of the island 172 00:08:22,377 --> 00:08:25,210 to the beast folk things could not possibly get any better. 173 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:28,046 Things would only backslide into anarchy and chaos. 174 00:08:28,049 --> 00:08:29,459 After island of lost souls, 175 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:31,253 there were a slew of illegitimate adaptions, 176 00:08:31,261 --> 00:08:33,172 such as Eddie romero's twilight people 177 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:34,715 from the Philippines, 178 00:08:34,723 --> 00:08:35,803 "test tube terrors, 179 00:08:35,807 --> 00:08:38,799 half man, half beast... All monster" 180 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:41,222 and terror is a man with Francis lederer. 181 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:44,141 The next official adaptation happened in 1977 182 00:08:44,149 --> 00:08:45,980 and was directed by Don Taylor 183 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:48,896 and featured Burt Lancaster in the Moreau part, 184 00:08:48,903 --> 00:08:51,144 Burt Lancaster actually did a pretty good job. 185 00:08:51,156 --> 00:08:54,273 Unfortunately, the movie's pretty ham-fisted. 186 00:08:54,284 --> 00:08:56,866 I saw the Don Taylor version at my local cinema 187 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:58,326 when I was a kid. 188 00:08:58,329 --> 00:08:59,660 It has the distinction of probably being 189 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:00,904 the first movie I ever saw 190 00:09:00,915 --> 00:09:03,873 which angered me so much. I wanted my money back. 191 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:07,085 I was a big fan of the original, and I was deeply disappointed. 192 00:09:07,088 --> 00:09:08,999 Amongst other things, was confused by the fact 193 00:09:09,007 --> 00:09:11,498 that there was a woman turning into a panther on the poster 194 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:14,342 of the movie, which never happened in the film. 195 00:09:14,345 --> 00:09:16,427 And I guess from that moment onwards, 196 00:09:16,431 --> 00:09:20,549 the germ of the idea started to gestate in my mind, 197 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,768 and I was determined to do it justice, 198 00:09:23,772 --> 00:09:25,558 to try and adapt the story in a way 199 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:27,681 that could actually work for the screen. 200 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:37,695 Shortly after dust devil, my second film, 201 00:09:37,702 --> 00:09:40,660 I found myself washed up in London without a bean. 202 00:09:40,663 --> 00:09:42,745 I had never been paid my second half of my fee. 203 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,580 The films rights were a complete mess. 204 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:45,994 To get it back and finish it, 205 00:09:46,002 --> 00:09:50,336 I had to basically borrow resources and leverage 206 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:51,500 pretty much everything; 207 00:09:51,508 --> 00:09:53,464 so I was probably $40,000 in the red. 208 00:09:53,468 --> 00:09:55,584 Even then, I knew on the back of dust devil, 209 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:57,586 I didn't have the political clout 210 00:09:57,597 --> 00:09:59,588 to be really able to get Dr. Moreau made. 211 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,510 I mean, after dust devil, I was finding it hard 212 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:02,473 just to get gigs. 213 00:10:02,477 --> 00:10:03,762 He had written a script, 214 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:06,432 and we had a quick conversation on the phone, 215 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:08,430 and he at that point said, 216 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:10,932 "can we actually put together some sort of basic image? 217 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:12,480 It would be of the script cover, 218 00:10:12,487 --> 00:10:13,852 to try and drum up the interest." 219 00:10:13,863 --> 00:10:17,447 And we then thought perhaps actually extending that further. 220 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:19,406 We recreated a couple of scenes 221 00:10:19,410 --> 00:10:22,243 from the imagined finished product. 222 00:10:22,247 --> 00:10:24,203 I sincerely believe that if Wells was alive now, 223 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:26,118 he would write it differently. 224 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:30,369 There's no way that Wells now would set the story in 1895. 225 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:32,416 Plainly, the story would be set in the present. 226 00:10:32,423 --> 00:10:35,335 It's not a story about the past but is about the near future. 227 00:10:35,343 --> 00:10:37,925 The images... the first one we produced was 228 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:42,719 actually an image of Dr. Moreau with a newborn creature, 229 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:43,430 one of the lambs, 230 00:10:43,434 --> 00:10:45,015 with what actually looked like a halo around his head. 231 00:10:45,019 --> 00:10:48,307 So the whole point was to almost sort of play on the whole virgin 232 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:50,179 and baby Jesus image. 233 00:10:50,191 --> 00:10:52,352 The dog-men are not entirely obeying his orders too, 234 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,566 because we can see behind Moreau's back, 235 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:54,855 some of the dog-men are actually 236 00:10:54,863 --> 00:10:57,104 licking the blood off the surgical instruments, 237 00:10:57,115 --> 00:10:58,821 and way in the back in the background in the tank, 238 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:02,409 we see a big, three-eyed, intelligent cthuloid octopus. 239 00:11:02,412 --> 00:11:05,028 There were going to be sea creatures as well. 240 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:07,826 From that we decided actually..We produced 241 00:11:07,834 --> 00:11:12,294 a series of 12 images echoing the stations of the cross 242 00:11:12,297 --> 00:11:15,255 which began with this basic birth, 243 00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:16,168 birth of the baby Jesus, 244 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:17,962 and then with the sort of crucifixion scene the end, 245 00:11:17,969 --> 00:11:19,800 which was actually Moreau's own death. 246 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:21,169 Moreau was originally conceived 247 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:23,467 was actually nothing like Marlon Brando. 248 00:11:23,474 --> 00:11:25,305 I think I had originally talked to Jurgen prochnow 249 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:26,925 about playing the part. 250 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:29,473 I wanted Moreau to be something, a little bit of a new ager. 251 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,970 In some of the earlier pictures, 252 00:11:30,982 --> 00:11:33,849 we see he's still got the long hair and beard. 253 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:36,647 I was making him into some type of a composite of 254 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:39,145 Timothy leary and John Lilly 255 00:11:39,157 --> 00:11:40,988 the dolphin communication expert. 256 00:11:40,992 --> 00:11:43,278 As important as the character of Dr. Moreau 257 00:11:43,286 --> 00:11:44,867 were the beast-people. 258 00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:46,736 They were going to be civilized, at least more so 259 00:11:46,748 --> 00:11:48,955 than we've seen in the previous Moreau versions. 260 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:50,994 They've decorated themselves. They've got piercings. 261 00:11:51,002 --> 00:11:53,664 They've got some degree of beast-person civilization. 262 00:11:53,671 --> 00:11:55,252 There is no cat-lady in book. 263 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:56,496 The panther woman was added 264 00:11:56,507 --> 00:11:57,792 in the in the erle c. Kenton movie 265 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,791 in the process of making it more Hollywood, 266 00:11:59,802 --> 00:12:01,667 and we, in return, retained her. 267 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,263 In reality, aissa, our cat-lady is drawn from another novel. 268 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:08,008 We stole it from outcast of the islands, 269 00:12:08,019 --> 00:12:09,350 the Joseph Conrad novel. 270 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:11,015 We thought since there's this connection between 271 00:12:11,022 --> 00:12:11,807 Conrad and Wells, 272 00:12:11,814 --> 00:12:13,930 borrowing characters from another Conrad story 273 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:15,807 was vaguely in our agreement. 274 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:17,024 I was determined on some level 275 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:18,734 that I would provide that moment, 276 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:21,400 that we were going to see the girl turn into a cat 277 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:22,317 and be an animal. 278 00:12:22,325 --> 00:12:23,405 She would run on all fours. 279 00:12:23,409 --> 00:12:26,867 She would become furry and underneath her chilaba 280 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:28,987 is furry all over and has a tail. 281 00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:30,579 The dog-people take the opportunity, 282 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,790 while the master is away, to chase her up the wall, 283 00:12:32,794 --> 00:12:34,455 drag her down, and kill her. 284 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:37,920 Being civilized, they then proceed to not just to eat her 285 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:41,508 but to cook her and then serve her to the castaway. 286 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:44,002 When he realizes what's happened in his absence, 287 00:12:44,013 --> 00:12:46,470 he immediately shoots a couple of the dog-men. 288 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:47,805 The dog-men really love him. 289 00:12:47,809 --> 00:12:49,891 Not only that, they've got very short memories, 290 00:12:49,894 --> 00:12:51,430 because they're dogs; So they don't really remember 291 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:53,894 that they've killed and cooked the cat-lady to begin with. 292 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:55,934 They don't really understand why he's killing them. 293 00:12:55,942 --> 00:12:58,024 We also rationalize that Montgomery would 294 00:12:58,027 --> 00:13:00,143 undoubtedly be sleeping with the beast-people 295 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:02,236 if he's been on the island for decades. 296 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,027 I know in one version we had the thought of the pig-lady 297 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:08,322 biting Montgomery's dick off during the final party, 298 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:10,445 which... later in the story, 299 00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:12,822 the beast-people get into Montgomery's stash. 300 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:15,541 So suddenly we're dealing with humanized animals on drugs, 301 00:13:15,545 --> 00:13:17,786 which is a very appealing thought, 302 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:19,913 and then one starts wondering how they would behave 303 00:13:19,924 --> 00:13:21,460 and what they would see. 304 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:25,380 And these were to prove to be controversial elements 305 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:27,219 later in the development process. 306 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:30,636 Here we see the muscular satire character 307 00:13:30,643 --> 00:13:32,884 cranking the handle to lower the lift cage. 308 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:35,307 All the way down the shaft, there's other creatures 309 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:37,601 living in the different layers of the complex. 310 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:40,020 We see them through the cage of the elevator, 311 00:13:40,028 --> 00:13:41,359 and they're peeking out, 312 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:42,977 and we notice that there's babies 313 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:44,945 and fires burning down there. 314 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,361 Here the bear-man reaches for the conch shell 315 00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:48,904 with a lord of the flies touch 316 00:13:48,911 --> 00:13:52,153 and then picks up the conch shell and blows it. 317 00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:54,872 Yes, there was going animal vision in this movie, 318 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:56,707 just like toad vision or droid vision. 319 00:13:56,711 --> 00:13:58,997 Of course, we're going to see point-of-view shots 320 00:13:59,005 --> 00:14:00,211 from the beast people. 321 00:14:00,214 --> 00:14:03,877 I remember making phone calls until I ran out of change 322 00:14:03,885 --> 00:14:06,171 from a phone booth in south London, 323 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:08,761 and I remember it was close to Christmas, 324 00:14:08,765 --> 00:14:11,006 and it was snowing, it was close to a bus station, 325 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:13,429 but somehow I just on the remains of my 326 00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:14,801 dwindling change, 327 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:17,144 I managed to basically get ed pressman 328 00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:19,309 of the Edward r. Pressman film corporation 329 00:14:19,317 --> 00:14:21,729 interested in Dr. Moreau. 330 00:14:21,736 --> 00:14:23,852 Ed had produced a lot of fine movies, 331 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,320 notably badlands with Terrence malick, 332 00:14:26,324 --> 00:14:28,940 conan the barbarian for John milius, 333 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:30,862 das boot for Wolfgang Peterson, 334 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:32,906 and bad lieutenant for Abel ferrara; 335 00:14:32,914 --> 00:14:34,950 so ed had pretty good taste 336 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:36,948 and was the right man to be the producer. 337 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,245 Island of Dr. Moreau came out about 338 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,335 by the initiative of Richard Stanley. 339 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:45,753 It was a wonderful script, and he was a good filmmaker. 340 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,421 His agent at the time, jenne casarotto, 341 00:14:47,428 --> 00:14:51,797 represented the estate of Wells, h.G. Wells. 342 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:54,094 Right from the beginning there was always that problem 343 00:14:54,102 --> 00:14:56,593 that I was working on something I didn't own. 344 00:14:56,604 --> 00:14:58,185 I needed a big company to pick it up, 345 00:14:58,189 --> 00:15:00,931 because somebody actually had to negotiate with the Wells' estate 346 00:15:00,942 --> 00:15:03,558 and try and get hold of the rights, 347 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:05,434 which were pretty confused. 348 00:15:05,446 --> 00:15:10,406 Mike DeLuca was at new line at the time and liked it, 349 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:18,283 and we thought of it as a modest budget Sci-Fi film 350 00:15:18,292 --> 00:15:21,580 that would be done for $5 - $8 million. 351 00:15:21,587 --> 00:15:24,454 Ed immediately wanted to americanize the script 352 00:15:24,465 --> 00:15:27,172 which was something I was quite opposed to. 353 00:15:27,176 --> 00:15:30,213 I felt all of Wells' work is inherently British, 354 00:15:30,221 --> 00:15:32,678 and one of the problems with the Wells' material 355 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:35,264 was that britain has never really shown any interest really 356 00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:36,508 in adapting it. 357 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:40,228 In the end, ed convinced me to allow them to do this, 358 00:15:40,231 --> 00:15:43,689 provided that they hired a screenwriter to work on it 359 00:15:43,693 --> 00:15:46,275 who I thought would do the work justice. 360 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,110 And so we ended up with Michael herr, 361 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:50,196 the writer of dispatches, 362 00:15:50,199 --> 00:15:52,781 the classic book about the Vietnam war, 363 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:54,025 which is probably one of the best books 364 00:15:54,036 --> 00:15:55,572 about war ever written; 365 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,196 who also provided the voiceover to apocalypse now 366 00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:00,118 and was a perfect choice for Moreau 367 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:02,993 and brought an awful lot to the Montgomery character, 368 00:16:03,004 --> 00:16:04,869 giving him some of that hard-boiled, 369 00:16:04,881 --> 00:16:06,792 acid-drenched shtick. 370 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:08,414 He is the single greatest screenwriter 371 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:13,886 he hates... I can't say "hates." It's a strong word, 372 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:15,881 but he probably does hate Hollywood 373 00:16:15,892 --> 00:16:17,348 and hates the movie industry. 374 00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:20,218 Whether or not he hates the human race in total 375 00:16:20,229 --> 00:16:22,345 is a harder question. 376 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:34,941 As the company started with virtually nothing 377 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:37,318 and as we made our way in the business, 378 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:40,822 we began to have as part of our wherewithal obviously 379 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,495 production, acquisition, and financing 380 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:47,496 that allowed us to buy films and to make films. 381 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:50,169 Bob shaye had created something that was very edgy. 382 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:53,543 It was all house party, nightmare on elm street, 383 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:54,418 ninja turtles. 384 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:59,970 It was drive-in, grindhouse, Saturday matinee-type fare. 385 00:16:59,977 --> 00:17:03,936 As artists and executives and a studio, 386 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:07,148 they were often maligned by the big boys, 387 00:17:07,151 --> 00:17:11,315 as being, you know, niche and crap, you know, 388 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,278 pink flamingos and Freddy. 389 00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:16,820 I mean, these movies make money, but they don't gain respect. 390 00:17:16,827 --> 00:17:19,660 Mike DeLuca, who was president of our production company, 391 00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:21,404 he was charged with the idea 392 00:17:21,415 --> 00:17:23,701 of going out and putting together projects, 393 00:17:23,709 --> 00:17:25,415 and then presenting them to myself 394 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:27,910 to decide whether we wanted to go ahead with it or not. 395 00:17:27,922 --> 00:17:29,207 In the mid-90s, 396 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:32,048 Mike started to bring in directors 397 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:33,291 who were unknown at the time, 398 00:17:33,302 --> 00:17:36,715 like David fincher, Paul Thomas Anderson, 399 00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:39,304 you know, Mike really gave these guys their start. 400 00:17:39,308 --> 00:17:42,641 I think new line started to go through an identity crisis, 401 00:17:42,645 --> 00:17:44,931 because, you know, with all due respect, 402 00:17:44,939 --> 00:17:48,602 when you're used to having Robert englund in the commissary 403 00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:50,645 metaphorically and now you've got Robert De Niro 404 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:52,860 and Dustin Hoffman with wag the dog, 405 00:17:52,863 --> 00:17:54,774 there was this sort of euphoria 406 00:17:54,782 --> 00:17:57,865 that now the minors are playing with the majors. 407 00:17:57,868 --> 00:18:00,701 So suddenly, they're remaking the island of Dr. Moreau, 408 00:18:00,705 --> 00:18:03,412 but they want to turn it into an art film. 409 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:07,204 I wasn't particularly enthusiastic 410 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:08,951 about the project, frankly. 411 00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:10,749 Mike DeLuca had in it, 412 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:15,716 was interested in it and sort of liked classic horror. 413 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,802 It all left me pretty cold. 414 00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:21,013 Pressman had me going and meet the new line people 415 00:18:21,017 --> 00:18:25,351 and wanted to get me on the picture as the producer. 416 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:27,720 So we had, I think, 417 00:18:27,732 --> 00:18:30,098 basically just one meeting in my office. 418 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:34,227 I did meet Richard Stanley at that point in time. 419 00:18:38,034 --> 00:18:39,945 I didn't really know what to make of him, 420 00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:43,035 and he showed up in a hat and white linen suit, 421 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:46,281 said that's what he's going to wear for the whole picture, 422 00:18:46,292 --> 00:18:47,202 never take it off. 423 00:18:47,209 --> 00:18:50,372 I had no doubt going into it that Richard would be fine. 424 00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:53,416 I thought he was very smart. 425 00:18:53,424 --> 00:18:56,291 He's an odd character, 426 00:18:56,302 --> 00:19:00,215 but I've worked with many odd characters as directors. 427 00:19:00,222 --> 00:19:05,262 I thought that Stanley was a somewhat unusual guy. 428 00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:08,761 He almost got away with not doing anything goofy, 429 00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:10,980 and then he did do one thing goofy. 430 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:15,943 When my assistant came in and offered everybody refreshments, 431 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:19,780 he said, "yes, I would like a cup of coffee." 432 00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,490 "How do you take it?" 433 00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:24,031 And he said either three or four sugars, 434 00:19:24,038 --> 00:19:26,745 and when I heard that, I said, 435 00:19:26,749 --> 00:19:28,410 "there's something going on here 436 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:32,376 that I don't think I completely understand, 437 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:35,042 but nobody takes four sugars in a cup of coffee 438 00:19:35,049 --> 00:19:39,042 and walks out as a solid citizen. 439 00:19:39,053 --> 00:19:43,422 He was like me, an absolute stranger to L.A., 440 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,798 nothing in common with anyone here. 441 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:49,428 I mean, I think that's really why we became friends, 442 00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,770 just instantly we had a good rapport. 443 00:19:51,774 --> 00:19:53,264 I think when you're an artist 444 00:19:53,275 --> 00:19:56,483 and you have worked for years with no budget, 445 00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,648 and when finally you get to do it the way 446 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,612 you've always known you can, 447 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:03,153 you know to the detail what you're going to do 448 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,196 and how you're going to do it. 449 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,490 And the really first thing came down to who 450 00:20:07,498 --> 00:20:09,238 was going to be Dr. Moreau, 451 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:13,118 and ed figured a way of getting to Marlon Brando. 452 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:20,170 Someone had the idea of Brando playing the role of Dr. Moreau, 453 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:22,008 which changed the whole character of the movie 454 00:20:22,012 --> 00:20:25,596 and increased the budget enormously. 455 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:26,964 We had just made a film with him 456 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:30,139 where he was already totally impossible. 457 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:35,357 So I was pretty incensed with DeLuca for choosing 458 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,895 Marlon Brando in another film. 459 00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:39,234 There was no particular reason to have him, 460 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,320 and he was an incredible pain in the neck. 461 00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:43,530 The very next thing I heard was that, 462 00:20:43,534 --> 00:20:47,243 yes, Brando was prepared to be Dr. Moreau, 463 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:50,579 the money was in escrow, and that the film was green lit. 464 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,325 It was going to be directed by Roman polanksi, 465 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,200 which came completely out of the left field. 466 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:56,372 I hadn't seen that coming. 467 00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:59,372 I responded by firing all guns 468 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:02,967 and demanding that I have the right 469 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,926 to at least one meeting with Marlon Brando, 470 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:06,420 that I had written the damn script. 471 00:21:06,432 --> 00:21:08,593 Apparently, he was very unhappy about this. 472 00:21:08,601 --> 00:21:10,432 I was told that by Mike DeLuca, 473 00:21:10,436 --> 00:21:12,768 the chappy from new line just before the meeting 474 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:15,764 that Brando was going to really rake me over the coals. 475 00:21:15,775 --> 00:21:18,141 And I remember feeling a bit confused as to why... 476 00:21:18,152 --> 00:21:19,892 What Brando and everyone had it in with me for. 477 00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,111 Certainly, new line couldn't wait to get rid of me. 478 00:21:22,114 --> 00:21:24,321 Knowing that the odds were stacked against me, 479 00:21:24,325 --> 00:21:26,691 I resorted to witchcraft. 480 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:28,943 At that point in time, 481 00:21:28,954 --> 00:21:32,071 I was friendly with this warlock chappy in england, 482 00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:35,370 Dr. Edward James featherstone, commonly known as "skip." 483 00:21:35,377 --> 00:21:37,538 So skip had been shown to demonstrate his ability 484 00:21:37,546 --> 00:21:38,786 to fix things, 485 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,334 to do invisible mending before. 486 00:21:40,341 --> 00:21:42,457 So I said, "my god, skip, you've got to help me. 487 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:44,379 You've got to save my movie." 488 00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:46,843 At the exact same time, I went into the meeting 489 00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:49,213 on the other side of the world, skip convened his coven, 490 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:51,932 cut his arm, drew a sigil and did some sort of routine 491 00:21:51,936 --> 00:21:54,348 to fix it and make it all, all right. 492 00:21:54,355 --> 00:21:56,687 Simultaneously, I was driven with the big, 493 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:58,646 old limo that was part of the contract. 494 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:00,357 Brando's house was at the top of Mulholland, 495 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:02,977 on the left; Jack Nicholson's house is on the right. 496 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:06,651 Brando's house was surrounded by a very dense bamboo enclosure, 497 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:08,991 which screened the house from the road. 498 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,781 The bamboos were full of cctv cameras, 499 00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:13,825 and eventually, the gates slid open, 500 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:16,165 and I was admitted into the compound. 501 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:18,284 He had these trained dobermans padding around 502 00:22:18,295 --> 00:22:19,876 and which were trained to attack 503 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,996 anything he pointed his laser pencil at, 504 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:25,044 because I have fond memories of Brando drunk pointing at things 505 00:22:25,052 --> 00:22:27,509 with his laser pencil and getting the attack dogs 506 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:30,095 to attack the little red dot. 507 00:22:30,099 --> 00:22:33,591 New line sent a lady named Ruth vitale with me. 508 00:22:33,602 --> 00:22:37,220 I stayed pretty quiet during the first part of the meeting. 509 00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:43,898 Ruth was sweating and found it very stuffy in there, 510 00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:47,522 and Brando turned on the air-conditioning. 511 00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:50,570 She remarked at one point that "if you turn that up any higher, 512 00:22:50,578 --> 00:22:53,035 I'll fall asleep,โ€ and he kept doing it, 513 00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:57,498 and after about 15 minutes or so Ruth was fast asleep, 514 00:22:57,501 --> 00:23:00,368 at which point we began the conversation. 515 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:04,748 So I'd done enough research to be able to engage him on, 516 00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:09,047 I guess, environmental and scientific grounds. 517 00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:10,510 And then there's the whole weird 518 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:12,596 sir Henry Morton Stanley connection 519 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,342 which feeds back into the character of Kurtz 520 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:16,011 to begin with. 521 00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:17,635 He was still pretty interested in Kurtz. 522 00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:21,730 So we were able to slide backwards into the gestations 523 00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:24,020 of the character, the initial argument between 524 00:23:24,028 --> 00:23:25,393 Conrad and Wells, 525 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:27,645 and he was extremely nice to me during the meeting. 526 00:23:27,656 --> 00:23:30,238 I was never really sure why he took a shine to me 527 00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:30,856 the way he did. 528 00:23:30,868 --> 00:23:32,824 It was very confusing for new line because 529 00:23:32,828 --> 00:23:34,534 it was not the outcome they'd been expecting, 530 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:36,403 and it was confusing for Ruth vitale 531 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,121 because she had slept through it. 532 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:39,456 There's a very strong possibility 533 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:41,075 that it was may have been voodoo 534 00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:43,543 or some kind of magical interference 535 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:44,582 on skip's behalf, 536 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:47,297 but the next thing I knew Roman polanski was out, 537 00:23:47,301 --> 00:23:50,293 and Brando was only going to do the movie if I was on board. 538 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:54,801 Brando's a big name, but he's not big box office. 539 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:57,140 So then it was necessary for us to bring a box office draw. 540 00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:59,009 So we immediately went after Bruce Willis 541 00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:01,558 for the role of the castaway. 542 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:03,772 Bruce was looking for something different to do 543 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:04,811 at that point in time. 544 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:06,900 It was immediately pre-sixth sense 545 00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:08,110 and really liked the script, 546 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:10,069 and like everyone else, wanted to work with Brando. 547 00:24:10,074 --> 00:24:12,531 One of the serendipity things is I ran into James woods 548 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:14,115 at a restaurant, 549 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,280 got on well with James woods 550 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:18,950 and gave him the script. 551 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:22,041 Next thing you know, James woods was in for Montgomery. 552 00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:24,330 We had pretty much the dream cast, 553 00:24:24,338 --> 00:24:26,704 which was Marlon Brando, Bruce Willis, and James woods. 554 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,331 We then set out to find the island. 555 00:24:29,343 --> 00:24:31,880 After a lot of globetrotting, 556 00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:34,674 I ended up in far-north queensland, 557 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:37,173 and I chose cape tribulation, 558 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:40,051 because there's a huge triangular mountain/volcano 559 00:24:40,062 --> 00:24:41,472 thing in the middle of it all, 560 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,311 which I figured I could use to anchor together 561 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,021 the geography of the island. 562 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:46,890 I found a way of selecting the different locations 563 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:48,142 so the volcano mountain 564 00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:49,734 was always vaguely in the background 565 00:24:49,738 --> 00:24:51,774 and matched into another atoll 566 00:24:51,782 --> 00:24:53,773 so that we could create the illusion 567 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,570 that it was all one place. 568 00:24:55,577 --> 00:24:57,408 Simultaneously, a colossal 569 00:24:57,413 --> 00:24:59,574 makeup effects effort was going on 570 00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:01,867 where we had the attention of all the kids 571 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,456 at the Stan Winston studios. 572 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,620 I was one of the few, 573 00:25:04,628 --> 00:25:07,040 if not the only person in the studio, 574 00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:08,662 who knew who Richard was. 575 00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:09,880 You know, I had seen hardware. 576 00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:11,589 I had seen dust deuvil, and, you know, 577 00:25:11,593 --> 00:25:15,131 I was interested in his quirky little movies he was making, 578 00:25:15,139 --> 00:25:17,505 and he came in with these very psychedelic drawings of, 579 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:20,303 you know, animal people running around with machine guns 580 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,722 and hospital scrubs and everything 581 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:25,847 and very colorful and very, like, out there, 582 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:28,975 and we had a team of folks 583 00:25:28,986 --> 00:25:31,272 that set out to design the characters. 584 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,363 Crash mccreery does these amazing detailed pencils, 585 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,448 and he did the sayer of the law. 586 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:38,864 He did lo-mai. 587 00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:43,490 I did designs for buffalo man and the pig-ladies. 588 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,492 Everybody chipped in and just bashed ideas around 589 00:25:46,503 --> 00:25:49,995 until we settled on things. 590 00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:56,798 He was, you know, right off the bat, 591 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:59,638 he was showing me the storyboards 592 00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:02,132 and the character designs from Stan Winston, 593 00:26:02,144 --> 00:26:07,514 and he was so, so excited and so passionate 594 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:10,561 and it had been so many years in the making at that point. 595 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,355 We talked about the character, and he said, 596 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:14,603 "you know, it's actually, I want to... you know, 597 00:26:14,615 --> 00:26:19,075 the story is that he is Brando's favorite. 598 00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,409 He is the master dog. 599 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:23,779 Basically, he's the only one that understands art. 600 00:26:23,791 --> 00:26:25,031 He knows Shakespeare. 601 00:26:25,042 --> 00:26:26,782 He knows how to recite poems," 602 00:26:26,794 --> 00:26:27,874 and I got really excited, 603 00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:29,914 because I thought "god, you know, 604 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:33,255 this is like actually the best part in the movie." 605 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:34,873 In the meantime, 606 00:26:34,885 --> 00:26:38,673 new line tried in different ways to contain the material. 607 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,592 I remember being called into an emergency meeting 608 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,182 of which they were really going to draw the line 609 00:26:44,186 --> 00:26:47,474 and try to get me to humanize the cat-lady. 610 00:26:47,481 --> 00:26:49,312 When prendick initially seduces her, 611 00:26:49,316 --> 00:26:50,931 she's got six nipples 612 00:26:50,943 --> 00:26:53,229 and her pubes kind of grow all over her thighs 613 00:26:53,237 --> 00:26:54,477 and up her chest and stuff, 614 00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:56,649 and there's this celebrated moment 615 00:26:56,657 --> 00:26:59,273 where he's working his way down from one nipple to the next 616 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:02,651 and realizes along the way that she's not human, 617 00:27:02,663 --> 00:27:05,655 which really upset them, really upset Ruth vitale. 618 00:27:05,666 --> 00:27:08,499 She said that it would upset menopausal women 619 00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:09,833 all over America. 620 00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:11,702 We went through a couple of successive drafts 621 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:14,546 with walon green, writer of the wild bunch, 622 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:17,587 at which point I could justifiably say that, 623 00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:19,334 even leaving myself out of the equation, 624 00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:21,883 the finished product was from the combined talents 625 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:24,097 who brought the world the wild bunch, 626 00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,057 apocalypse now, and the time machine. 627 00:27:26,061 --> 00:27:28,848 It was a script we were extremely confident in, 628 00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:33,065 that we thought would be some sort of milestone in the genre. 629 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,103 We'd shot some background footage 630 00:27:37,114 --> 00:27:38,900 that was going to work on monitors, 631 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:43,571 and we spent a day in a hospital doing bits and pieces. 632 00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:45,410 There was a scene with Barbara Steele, 633 00:27:45,414 --> 00:27:48,497 which was filmed in Los Angeles. 634 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,661 Barbara Steele and an orangutan. 635 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,376 Just a very low-key day with a small crew, 636 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:57,840 and I could just tell by the way that he was shooting, 637 00:27:57,843 --> 00:28:00,175 what he was shooting, how he was relating to the crew 638 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:05,970 that... once he had actors and a big crew, 639 00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:07,841 it might have some problems, 640 00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:11,971 and we all sort of said "uh-oh" to each other silently, 641 00:28:11,982 --> 00:28:14,473 because we were all supportive of him 642 00:28:14,484 --> 00:28:17,351 and wanted him to do well. 643 00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:20,650 I think Richard was in a rather swish hotel initially, 644 00:28:20,657 --> 00:28:23,990 but when it was suggested that I go over to Los Angeles 645 00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:25,950 and work with him in hotel, 646 00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,741 I think they then decided they'd actually have to move 647 00:28:28,749 --> 00:28:30,205 him to a slightly cheaper hotel. 648 00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:33,872 So they said, "you know, as a savings, Richard, 649 00:28:33,879 --> 00:28:37,337 you know, we'd like to put you in the oakwood apartments. 650 00:28:37,341 --> 00:28:40,333 You know, it's a lot cheaper, and you'll be able to cook, 651 00:28:40,344 --> 00:28:43,552 and do you mind?" And he said, "that's fine." 652 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:47,093 A small but telling problem was that I don't actually drive. 653 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,512 I'd been living in London for 20 years 654 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,100 and was suddenly plumped down in the city 655 00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:54,517 were there was no such thing as public transport. 656 00:28:55,192 --> 00:28:57,478 This issue of trying to get from ato b 657 00:28:57,486 --> 00:28:59,442 continued throughout the production. 658 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:00,856 Meetings would happen without me, 659 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,525 anyone telling me they were going on, 660 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:05,569 and point in fact, I became increasingly paranoid, 661 00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:07,613 thinking that I was being 662 00:29:07,621 --> 00:29:09,737 deliberately kept out of the meetings. 663 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,410 About 2:00 in the morning of that same day, 664 00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:16,001 I got a call from Richard saying it's an emergency. 665 00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:17,835 "I have to move. 666 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,047 I can't stay in that place one minute longer," 667 00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:23,713 and I said, "where are you?" He said, "I'm in Hollywood. 668 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,258 I've walked from Burbank to Hollywood, 669 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:30,099 and I don't know where to go and what to do." 670 00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:31,888 And I said, "where are you in Hollywood?" 671 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,476 He says, "I don't know." 672 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,769 So I think that is when I said to myself "uh-oh". 673 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:43,066 A number of things went wrong in the preproduction period. 674 00:29:43,073 --> 00:29:45,780 Really, the beginning of the end, 675 00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:48,150 the death knell was um... 676 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,948 When Bruce divorced Demi, 677 00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:53,743 and decided for various complicated, 678 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,490 personal, legal reasons 679 00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:58,960 that he could not leave America for the next six months. 680 00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:02,456 I then made another strategic error. 681 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,378 I met val kilmer. 682 00:30:05,887 --> 00:30:08,799 Val kilmer was a big star then. 683 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:13,722 So the film, all of a sudden, became a $35 million movie, 684 00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:17,096 which at that time was like $70 million today. 685 00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:23,023 So it was a big movie which was far greater in its demands 686 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:24,611 and its ambition. 687 00:30:24,614 --> 00:30:27,481 All of which worked okay until I was urgently summoned 688 00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:30,609 from the island to a meeting with val in Tokyo, 689 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:34,112 where val was for the Batman forever premier. 690 00:30:34,124 --> 00:30:36,080 Val was then at the height of his powers, 691 00:30:36,084 --> 00:30:38,040 surrounded by adoring Japanese fans 692 00:30:38,045 --> 00:30:40,206 and behaving, I thought, 693 00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:42,829 very arrogantly indeed towards them. 694 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:46,709 And val had decided that his life was too busy to devote 695 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,759 as long we needed him for to do Dr. Moreau. 696 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:54,224 Val demanded 40 percent fewer shooting days. 697 00:30:54,227 --> 00:30:56,138 I was told in no uncertain terms 698 00:30:56,146 --> 00:30:57,761 that after the Bruce Willis debacle 699 00:30:57,773 --> 00:30:59,479 that if val left the ship, 700 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:01,895 new line would probably close the project down, 701 00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:03,938 and we'd go back and turn around. 702 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:05,776 At this stage I was already building the big house 703 00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:07,897 on the island and was determined to go ahead. 704 00:31:07,908 --> 00:31:10,445 I knew that we had to somehow solve this. 705 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:14,741 I had a very bad dream that night in the hotel in Tokyo. 706 00:31:14,748 --> 00:31:16,864 I remembered one of those nights waking up 707 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,708 and feeling that there was something in the room 708 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,247 sitting on my chest 709 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:23,620 and that sense of being unable to scream or breath 710 00:31:23,632 --> 00:31:25,168 and something banging on the door... 711 00:31:25,175 --> 00:31:26,631 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam... 712 00:31:26,635 --> 00:31:28,171 The door seemed to be trembling and shivering, 713 00:31:28,178 --> 00:31:30,419 and yet at the same time, I was really being crushed 714 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:31,545 or suffocated, in the bed. 715 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:33,467 It was a very unpleasant nightmare, 716 00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:37,263 what they call the old hag or nocturnal sleep paralysis. 717 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:41,058 Richard came back, and he seemed a bit flustered, 718 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:44,058 but he wouldn't tell me what he was flustered about. 719 00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:48,358 So I think he'd been getting a bit of a hard time from val. 720 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:50,105 Val calls up Mike DeLuca and says, 721 00:31:50,117 --> 00:31:51,323 "I want to talk to you," 722 00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:55,239 and he sets a breakfast for DeLuca at the bel air hotel. 723 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,080 Val is sitting there. Val says, 724 00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:00,665 "I'm very busy and I don't have a lot of time; 725 00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:03,456 so don't talk to me. Just listen." 726 00:32:03,463 --> 00:32:06,671 And he goes on to say, "I know I took this role, 727 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:08,290 but I don't like the role anymore." 728 00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:10,061 I then came up with the idea of talkina val 58873

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