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-(CHEERING)
-ANNOUNCER: As she came here
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to Boston to compete
in the Olympic Trials,
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she did so on a bad right leg.
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(AUDIENCE GASPS)
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-GYMNAST: It's bad. (SOBS)
-TRAINER: Okay.
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-(GYMNAST SOBS)
-TRAINER: All right.
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(SOBS)
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LARRY NASSAR: You okay?
It's that knee?
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-TRAINER: That's okay.
-NASSAR: Um, no. Debbie--
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We're gonna get her
into the back room.
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-Okay?
-GYMNAST: No, no.
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MAN: No, no, no.
GYMNAST: No.
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NASSAR: Hold on.
They're going to start
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-getting her to the--
-MAN 2: Stand up for us.
-GYMNAST: Yeah.
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NASSAR: Yep. Okay.
Got here there? And up.
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-MAN: Are you okay? Okay?
-(AUDIENCE CHEERS)
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-ANNOUNCER: This is gutsy stuff.
-(AUDIENCE CHEERING FADES)
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NASSAR: (VOICE RECORDING)
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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USA Gymnastics,
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the number one team
in the world.
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(CROWD CHEERING)
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LYNDSY GAMET: There's
a whole institution of people
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who knew through these years.
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ANNOUNCER:
Get the gold medals ready!
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(CHEERING)
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ISABELL HUTCHINS: I don't know
how anyone couldn't have known.
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(CHEERING)
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KYM WILLIAMS: Who goes
to their doctor's basement?
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ANNOUNCER 2:
There's a lot on the line.
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DOMINIQUE MOCEANU: Why on Earth
did they not report him then?
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REBECCA DAVIS O'BRIEN:
You know, there are many
missed opportunities.
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MARCI HAMILTON: They knew
they needed a better system,
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and they sat on their hands.
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CHRISTINE BRENNAN: This is
probably the darkest stain
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in U.S. Olympic history.
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-Wow.
-You're strong. You're strong.
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What have you done?
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♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
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(MOVIE PROJECTOR WHIRS)
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TRINEA GONCZAR: Gymnastics is
kind of an interesting sport.
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You either are
or you aren't one.
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You know, they'll tell you
right away if you're--
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if you're going to go
to the next level.
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They can see it in you, the way
you jump, the way you move.
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I just always was one.
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KATHY JOHNSON: I was perfectly
suited for gymnastics.
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I was tiny, strong, fearless,
loved flying,
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loved-- little daredevil.
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It's... the most amazing feeling
to be able to propel your body
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through the air
and flip around and stick it.
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It is flying.
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The feeling of having power,
that's, like,
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a lot of people don't talk about
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is, like, the flying thing
comes after the power
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and feeling that, like,
command over your body
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and doing stuff
that regular people can't do.
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ANNOUNCER 3: Now watch this.
Watch this.
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Back sommy right
to the other bar.
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ANNOUNCER 4: Has that
been done before by a girl?
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ANNOUNCER 3: Never! Never, not
by any human that I know of.
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MIKE JACKI: Olga in '72,
the American public,
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they were flabbergasted
by what she was able to do.
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They were enamored by it.
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♪ (CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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ANNOUNCER 3:
Isn't that something?
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I think the American culture
is infatuated with gymnastics
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because every four years,
you see these little, strong,
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wonderful, talented,
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amazing athletes pop out
on the big stage.
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(CHEERING)
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JULIET MACUR: I don't think
that any other Olympic sport
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in the summertime really gets
as many viewers,
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just because it has everything.
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It has the beauty,
it has the power,
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and the music,
and the drama of it.
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-(CHEERING)
-ANNOUNCER 5:
And what a champion!
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Absolutely superb performance.
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ANNOUNCER 6: Faultless.
Absolutely faultless.
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(CHEERING)
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A 10 has gone on the board.
That's perfection,
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and that is Olympic history
for Nadia Comaneci.
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MOCEANU:
Wanting that Olympic dream,
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wanting to be the best
in the world,
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you go and you train so hard
day in and day out.
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No matter how bad people
are treating you,
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you go back for more. You know?
You go back for more
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because you want that dream.
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It's--
it's burning inside of you.
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GONCZAR: Elite Olympic gymnasts
are typically, like, 15, 16,
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seventeen years old,
the peak of their sport.
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So, you have to start young
to get good
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to be still young
and be the best.
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MACUR: I think that
a lot of people think it's easy
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because they're so cute
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and they're so bouncy
and smiley.
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But really, I don't think
there's a sport that's harder
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in terms of the age
where they expect to excel
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and the demands that
the coaches put on them.
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I think it's mentally difficult
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and one of the most
physically demanding sports.
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DAWN HOMER:
You're going to get hurt,
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and you're not going
to complain.
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It did not matter what happened
to you. You were not to cry.
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There were things like
when they would be racked.
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Racking is just like a torture
to these girls.
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It's trying to force them down
into splits,
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and you've got such
adult pressure being put
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on these little girls,
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And they are not to cry.
They are not to yell out.
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But yet, you know
they're in so much pain,
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but they just do it
without complaint.
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This is the tricky part
about our sport.
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To be great...
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takes so much energy, focus,
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intense training...
training through fatigue,
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sometimes injury,
as long as it's...
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not an injury that's going to
be dangerous or debilitating.
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But sometimes things are--
everything hurts.
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That's-- that's the whole thing
about being a great gymnast.
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It's almost like being
a wounded animal.
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You don't show your weakness.
You don't show that you're hurt.
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COACH: Same position.
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Ah.
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JESSICA O'BEIRNE: Gymnastics
is not a sport with a lot of...
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back and forth communication.
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It's a lot of... soldier,
learning how to be a soldier.
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O'BRIEN: These women
have to perform
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so that USA Gymnastics brings
in sponsorships
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so that US Olympic Committee
can be proud of them
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and trot them out
every four years for all of us
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to watch
so that NBC viewers can--
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you know it's a money machine.
And at the heart of it
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are teenage girls
and their bodies.
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It seems like a... arrangement
that's bound to create abuse.
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The former team doctor
for USA Gymnastics
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for twenty years
is facing dozens of accusations
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of sexual abuse including one
from a former Olympian.
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REPORTER: One of the women
has filed a criminal complaint
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against Nassar
with Michigan police.
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The other has filed a lawsuit
in California.
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Former Michigan State University
and Team USA Gymnastics doctor,
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Larry Nassar, has been arrested.
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O'BEIRNE: When I first heard
about Nassar,
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I was completely shocked,
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and then I totally
wasn't shocked at all
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because he's in exactly
the position
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to get away with this.
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Like, if you were
a child predator,
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you would become him.
It's so perfect.
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MACUR: Larry Nassar was a doctor
for USA Gymnastics
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for more than twenty years.
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He had worked
with Michigan State
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for just as long.
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SCOTT REID: He was a physician
at Michigan State University,
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and then he would be called
into camps,
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these periodic--
these monthly camps
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for the women's national team.
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And then World Championships,
major international
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national team events,
he'd be right there.
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MACUR: His contract
with Michigan State said
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you have to also do outreach
in the community.
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So, he also worked
with high schools
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and local gyms.
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So, literally, he had his hands
on hundreds of children
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every year for many years.
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HOMER: When Trinea
became a level five,
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we were all invited
to a big meeting.
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And in the meeting, they said,
"100 percent
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of your children
will be injured."
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And then I remember
being introduced
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to Larry as a trainer.
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And I thought, "Oh good,
there's a safety net.
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If they get injured,
there's a trainer."
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I felt we were lucky
to have Larry.
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He was seen as...
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like the guardian angel
of the gymnasts.
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He was all about, you know,
protecting the athletes.
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And that's not something we
often hear in the elite space.
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NASSAR: (RECORDING)
Not just physically,
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but mentally, you have
to protect your athletes.
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You have to let them know
that we care. You have to--
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not let them know,
but let them feel it,
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let them understand it,
let them breathe it.
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It's-- it's there. You know?
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It's not just
a pat on the back.
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You know what I mean? It has
to be sincere that we care.
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Larry Nassar was the good guy
in this whole web of people
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you have to deal with--
with gymnastics.
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How could a gymnast not say,
"Wow, this guy's so nice to me?
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Everybody else is so mean.
They want me to--
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to do an extra routine,
or my leg hurts
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and they want me
to keep running or something."
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He was brilliant at fooling
these girls into trusting him.
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And... and I don't know
how he got
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the Károlyis
to turn their backs,
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or maybe he did it
behind their back.
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I'm not sure how much
the Károlyis knew.
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I don't know for sure
if they knew about him.
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Did they know that he was alone
with gymnasts? Yes.
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Should they have known
that was against a policy,
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that there were policies
and procedures in place
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and he was violating them?
Yes.
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Did they care?
No.
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That gold medal
gymnastics coach, Béla Károlyi,
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has yet another winner
on his hands.
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REPORTER 2: Béla Károlyi
is the gymnastics coach
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who brought Nadia Comaneci
and Mary Lou Retton
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to Olympic fame.
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I'm not concerning
about anything else
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than to be the winner, to win.
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And I love to win. (LAUGHS)
That's the truth.
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Stronger, stronger, stronger,
stronger. Round it. In. There.
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(BÉLA KÁROLYI
INSTRUCTING INDISTINCTLY)
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Hit it. And up.
That's not good.
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You're not doing
the right thing.
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Hold that. (CONTINUES
INSTRUCTIONS IN ROMANIAN)
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MACUR: Béla and Márta Károlyi
are the most famous coaches
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in gymnastics history.
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REID:
Béla Károlyi was the architect
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of the Romanian dynasty.
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In the late '70s,
Béla comes around
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with Nadia Comaneci and others
and becomes
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the premiere global superpower
in gymnastics.
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At the time, the gymnasts were
mostly over 20 years old.
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It was really a women's sport.
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GEZA POZSAR: Béla and Márta
changed the concept
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of gymnastics
to train very young children,
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very intensive training
from six years old.
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MOCEANU: He had this philosophy.
Do enough repetition,
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and you stay prepubescent
and you don't gain weight,
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you're going to get
those girls to hit.
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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REID: These monthly camps
at the Károlyi Ranch in Texas
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were a huge factor
in creating this culture
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that created Larry Nassar.
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So, the Károlyi Ranch
is located
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near this little town called
New Waverly, Texas,
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like a filling station,
as they call them in Texas,
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and I think-- I don't even know
if they have a stoplight.
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You get off the freeway
and then you-- you're actually
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in the Sam Houston
National Forest,
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and you're going down
this red dirt road
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deeper and deeper
into this forest.
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It's like straight out
of a movie.
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And you finally come upon
this compound of a gym
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and a couple-- a house,
and like a dorm.
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There's snakes everywhere,
and bugs,
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and it's hotter than hell.
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And it's just
this Texan nightmare.
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O'BEIRNE:
The way that the Károlyis
implemented the system was,
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"We don't want you
to lose focus.
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We want you 100 percent focused
on gymnastics.
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Bond with your team.
That's it."
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JACKI: No phones, no internet...
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Very controlled.
They had things that
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were written to the athletes
that said
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while you were at the ranch,
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you could not go
to your personal coach.
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Or your parents.
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Now, is that a little bit weird?
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You say to somebody,
"You can't go to your parents?"
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REID: One of the main themes
about the Károlyi philosophy
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is athletic Darwinism.
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There are so many kids
out there,
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the U.S. is so deep now,
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that if you can't hold up
physically,
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or if you can't handle it
mentally,
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well, there's somebody dying
to get in here
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who will pay the price.
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So, they knew they could push
these kids hard, hard, hard.
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This kind of, like, brutal,
"Do a lot of numbers,
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as many numbers as possible
till you do it,
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doesn't matter if you're falling
flat on your back
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five, ten, fifteen,
twenty times.
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Doesn't matter
if you're injured.
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You-- you better not speak up,"
was the whole mentality
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in the environment.
You'd better not or else
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we're going to take
your Olympic dream away.
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REID: You're beat up. You have
coaches screaming at you,
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bullying you into doing stuff
that you're not
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either ready to do
or you're too tired to do.
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So, you're put
in dangerous situations.
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Nassar was the guy--
he was the positive guy.
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He's the guy who snuck
them food, gave them candy,
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let them borrow a cell phone.
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I mean, you talk
to all these women
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who were on the national team
who were abused by him,
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they said, "You know,
he was our friend.
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If Larry's doing this,
it must be okay because he--
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he's our friend. He's, like,
the one guy we trusted.
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INTERVIEWER: What was
your impression of Larry Nassar?
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Well, was a great guy.
I mean,
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I ask him to help my gymnasts
from my gym.
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I called him at nighttime
and next day, he helped me,
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uh, send me the X-ray. You know?
He didn't ask for any payment.
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When you're around sports
for a long time,
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you see team doctors, and...
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Nassar always kinda struck me
as a little bit different
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from guys in that position
in other sports.
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He kinda seemed
not quite up to speed.
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He's kind of a dopey guy
along for the ride.
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The thing about USA Gymnastics,
for all their global success,
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it's kind of
a small-time operation.
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The people there are there
because the Károlyis' blessing
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that they're not gonna
rock the boat.
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MOCEANU:
Márta liked that Nassar
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would toe the company line.
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He would tell them exactly
what they want to hear.
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There were girls
that got injured, and...
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you wanna get a gymnast back?
Sure, we can get her back.
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He would just kind of
play the game
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because he wanted the access.
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He had access to these kids
pretty much around the clock.
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He was doing this all kinds
of places,
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in dorm rooms
at the Károlyi Ranch,
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in dorm rooms
at the Sydney Olympics,
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you know, hotel rooms, wherever.
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NASSAR:
The view from the hotel room
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where we're staying at.
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At nighttime, "the City
of Lights," they call this.
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Just got back from training.
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MACUR: It's hard for me
to even fathom the fact that,
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you know, we'd see these
gymnasts at these Olympics,
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and they're interviewing
with us, saying,
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"Oh, well, I just came back
from treatment."
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Looking back now, my gosh,
these girls were coming
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to talk to us right after
they were abused by this doctor
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who's, like, always smiley
and, you know, uh,
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looked like, oh,
everybody's best friend,
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giving people gifts.
He was so sweet.
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I mean, it's--
it's, like, Sexual Abuse 101.
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NASSAR: Grab that. Okay.
Come back with your back hand,
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wrap it around. Got it.
Come around.
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Pull down. There you go.
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Grab with your other hand
and pull up.
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So, the athlete
can do this themselves.
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The athlete can learn to do
the Kinesio Tape themselves too.
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Because
it's in a sensitive area--
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GONCZAR: I find it hard
to look at him...
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as, like, a criminal,
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aside from all
of the things he did,
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because that's no-- I mean,
and I, I don't know.
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I don't really know
another criminal.
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I don't know another serial
child molester.
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He was so good at being
who he was
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on the other side of that.
Like he was, I mean...
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he was awesome. (CHUCKLES)
I hate even saying that
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'cause it's, like,
counter-intuitive of, like,
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what the heck's happening to us.
But...
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he was awesome. (CHUCKLES)
That's why we all loved him.
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I would have considered him
a friend.
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Uh, it's very, like when I first
heard about it,
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my immediate reaction
wasn't, "That's impossible."
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My immediate reaction was,
"Please don't let it be true,"
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because this is a man
that I trusted.
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We would sit and talk
for hours, and he would tell me
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about what a great philosophy
I had and how he loved
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how I protected children and um,
you know, all of this stuff
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that just makes me look back
and go,
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"God, what a master manipulator
he was."
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He was a typical
serial pedophile.
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Charming, powerful...
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He was able to pull the wool
over all of the adults' faces.
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What do you look for
in a child sex abuser?
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And the answer is,
the nice guy.
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It's kind of easy for them
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because they find places
where it is easy.
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A priest,
an ultra-Orthodox rabbi,
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a coach, a doctor
for the gymnastics team.
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MICK GREWAL: These girls
adored him and trusted him,
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and that's not just gymnasts.
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Larry Nassar saw anybody
who had a complaint:
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gymnasts, rowers,
cheerleaders, dancers.
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He lived three miles from me
in Holt, Michigan.
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It was just like a normal
suburb neighborhood.
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He was a personable,
God-fearing Catholic man.
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KRISTEN THELEN: He was
so involved in the community.
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He volunteered at the church.
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He volunteered
at the high schools.
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He was almost everywhere
we went, always smiling,
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charismatic...
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overly involved in our lives.
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GAMET: I was 14,
and I wanted to be a doctor,
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so Larry brought me to
Take Your Daughter to Work Day.
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We had each other's
phone numbers.
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I would text him almost daily.
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We were friends on Facebook.
He'd post on my wall.
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MELODY POSTHUMA:
He shared his Instagram,
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so I knew his children's names
and faces, and his wife.
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He'd ask about
your personal life.
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He knew about my friendships.
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He knew what classes
I was taking,
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where I wanted to go to college.
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He was a friend, a confidant,
at one time.
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Nassar was extremely well liked,
but he was also... admired
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as someone who was doing
amazing things
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for female gymnasts.
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Thank you for visiting
GymnasticsDoctor.com,
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where you can see
over 400 educational videos
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on how to rehabilitate
your gymnast.
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So, with a weak
glute medius muscle,
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this drops down,
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the foot rolls,
and she's got the--
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the weakness in the--
in the hip area here.
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Come off your toes
and come back,
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all in one motion.
Toes, arms, go.
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THELEN:
Every appointment, he would
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have his hands all over me,
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adjusting me,
massaging my back.
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And what some people
might not understand,
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that this is a really big part
of gymnastics
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that he took advantage of,
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that we're used to having adults
spotting us, helping us stretch.
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We're used to having
adults touch us.
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But Larry took it
a step further.
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He explained to my mom,
"I'm going to put my hands
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near a very private place
on your daughter."
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He didn't ask. He just said that
that's what he was going to do.
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Larry Nassar pretty much had a--
a primary method.
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You would come to him and,
"I have a backache.
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I have a hip problem."
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He would stick his ungloved...
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unlubricated hand
in your vaginal cavity
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and do what he called
"a vaginal adjustment."
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And it was, like,
this catchall treatment.
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You know, stuff that was
nowhere near your pelvic area,
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this was like,
"This'll make it better."
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JESSICA ANN SMITH:
He told me that
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I would probably
be uncomfortable
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and kind of explained
that in the vagina,
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there's a trigger point,
or pressure point,
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that would release to help him
work on my ankle
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to be less painful.
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In my case, I wasn't given
a heads up
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or any kind of explanation
about the procedure.
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I think he just said,
"Tell me if this hurts."
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Like, which it did,
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but everything
that he was doing hurt.
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He was doing,
like, pressure points
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and manipulations and, like,
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pushing on my muscles
with his elbows.
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Um. I was pretty used
to just, like...
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buckling down
and taking whatever pain.
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You're always told by coaches,
teachers, "No pain, no gain."
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So, when something's painful,
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you're thinking,
"This is helping me,
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and I'm getting better
because of it."
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00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:29,500
I remember being like,
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"Can I survive this
for another two minutes?"
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Watching the clock on my phone,
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waiting for five minutes
to go past,
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ten minutes to go past,
up to 45 minutes or an hour.
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So, his appointments
would be two hours long.
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My analysis is, an hour
was medical, professional,
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and then the second half
was sexual.
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Trying to remember back,
you know, to these "treatments"
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and thinking back, and I'm like,
"How the heck didn't any, like--
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00:21:54,125 --> 00:21:56,458
how did he do that?"
And then I'm like,
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"I don't think
there was a silent moment."
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I mean, I don't think
he ever stopped talking.
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00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,333
"What's happening today?
How's, you know, your family?
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00:22:05,417 --> 00:22:08,291
Oh Dawn, how's things going
with the kids?"
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HOMER:
Mother of three daughters.
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My goal was to keep them safe.
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And then I became an accomplice
in such a crazy world.
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I mean, he would talk
to the parents
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while he was doing this.
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And so, it--
it was confusing.
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The first time, specifically?
Um, well, my dad was in the room
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and I just...
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like, first I was like, "What?"
473
00:22:29,583 --> 00:22:31,792
Like, "Is this normal?
Like, "What is going on?"
474
00:22:31,875 --> 00:22:35,333
And then... a f--
a little bit...
475
00:22:35,417 --> 00:22:38,125
of thinking about it,
I was like...
476
00:22:38,208 --> 00:22:42,041
"Okay, well, my dad's
on the other side of the room,
477
00:22:42,125 --> 00:22:45,000
so maybe it's normal."
Then I'm like,
478
00:22:45,083 --> 00:22:46,917
"But does he know
what's happening?
479
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,208
I don't know if he does.
Well, how do I ask about this?
480
00:22:50,291 --> 00:22:53,667
I can't ask about this."
And then, then you think,
481
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:55,041
"Well, he's a doctor."
482
00:22:55,125 --> 00:22:56,667
I didn't think that
it happened to her
483
00:22:56,750 --> 00:23:01,250
because... I had no idea.
Like, I was there.
484
00:23:01,333 --> 00:23:03,125
I thought I saw everything.
485
00:23:03,208 --> 00:23:05,208
She was with me
at every single appointment.
486
00:23:05,291 --> 00:23:07,125
INTERVIEWER:
Was your mom always with you?
487
00:23:07,208 --> 00:23:09,291
Yeah, she was always in the room
with me.
488
00:23:09,375 --> 00:23:11,750
Having your own parent there,
and...
489
00:23:13,709 --> 00:23:15,375
he's still able to manage
490
00:23:15,458 --> 00:23:17,375
to get away with what he did,
491
00:23:17,458 --> 00:23:19,834
even with someone else
in the room,
492
00:23:19,917 --> 00:23:22,625
that-- that's really scary.
493
00:23:22,709 --> 00:23:24,458
This is a grooming behavior.
494
00:23:24,542 --> 00:23:27,625
The parent's sitting there.
The child's watching the parent.
495
00:23:27,709 --> 00:23:30,959
The child doesn't want to tell
the parent this is going on,
496
00:23:31,041 --> 00:23:32,458
but believes the parent
must know
497
00:23:32,542 --> 00:23:34,000
because it's happening
right in front of them,
498
00:23:34,083 --> 00:23:36,458
so it's okay.
So, guess what happens later on?
499
00:23:36,542 --> 00:23:39,083
Parent doesn't come
into the next session,
500
00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:41,500
and instead of it
being a two-minute procedure,
501
00:23:41,583 --> 00:23:43,959
it ends up being
a 45-minute procedure.
502
00:23:45,083 --> 00:23:46,917
The young girl thinks it's okay
503
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,417
'cause Mom and Dad
were sitting in the room before.
504
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:54,583
I noticed that what he was doing
was getting more aggressive
505
00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:57,500
as I got older,
and when I could drive myself,
506
00:23:57,583 --> 00:24:00,834
then no parent was in the room,
so then it really amped up.
507
00:24:00,917 --> 00:24:03,166
He would bring us to his house,
to the basement.
508
00:24:04,625 --> 00:24:06,583
WILLIAMS:
When I heard two months ago
509
00:24:06,667 --> 00:24:10,375
that Taylor was treated
in his basement,
510
00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:12,875
I almost fell over.
511
00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:18,417
Who goes
to their doctor's basement?
512
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:22,625
He offered free "treatments"
to women all the time
513
00:24:22,709 --> 00:24:24,959
in his basement,
which I knew about.
514
00:24:25,041 --> 00:24:27,083
So that's why I felt okay going
'cause I,
515
00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:29,959
once again, minimized it.
"Everyone else goes there too."
516
00:24:30,041 --> 00:24:31,792
You know,
he would get erections.
517
00:24:31,875 --> 00:24:34,583
You know, it's just, something's
not right there. (CHUCKLES)
518
00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:39,959
He would take his belt off.
He would make grunting noises.
519
00:24:40,041 --> 00:24:43,333
And if we look at it as,
as adults, we're like,
520
00:24:43,417 --> 00:24:44,875
"Oh my God, didn't you know?
521
00:24:44,959 --> 00:24:46,959
Of course,
this is for a sexual purpose."
522
00:24:47,041 --> 00:24:48,458
But you gotta put your mind--
523
00:24:48,542 --> 00:24:50,625
a young girl
who has no sexual experience,
524
00:24:50,709 --> 00:24:53,667
a young girl who's trusting,
a young girl who's told
525
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:56,792
repeatedly over,
"This is the Olympic doctor.
526
00:24:56,875 --> 00:24:58,125
He's there to help."
527
00:24:58,208 --> 00:25:01,125
So, these girls,
they had no clue.
528
00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:03,709
And then I would feel better
after my appointments
529
00:25:03,792 --> 00:25:06,750
'cause like I said,
he was doing medical things.
530
00:25:06,834 --> 00:25:09,625
And no one else was helping me
get better, so I knew
531
00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:12,000
I had to go back
because I needed
532
00:25:12,083 --> 00:25:13,625
to be relieved of my pain.
533
00:25:13,709 --> 00:25:15,959
So even if I hated
the treatment, I would go back.
534
00:25:16,041 --> 00:25:20,166
And that's how so many girls
were abused for so many years.
535
00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:23,166
INTERVIEWER: How often
was that vaginal treatment?
536
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:25,291
GONCZAR: Probably every time.
537
00:25:25,375 --> 00:25:27,834
I don't remember not having it.
538
00:25:27,917 --> 00:25:30,709
They estimate it happened
to me-- estimate--
539
00:25:30,792 --> 00:25:33,750
like, eight--
maybe 846 times.
540
00:25:35,709 --> 00:25:36,834
It's a lot.
541
00:25:36,917 --> 00:25:39,583
The reason Larry was
such a good doctor
542
00:25:39,667 --> 00:25:42,667
was because you didn't feel
anything afterward,
543
00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:45,208
not just physically.
Emotionally, mentally.
544
00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:47,917
You had to block it out.
You had to,
545
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,959
or...
you're going to fall apart.
546
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,542
GREWAL:
These young women didn't know.
547
00:25:54,625 --> 00:25:55,959
Their bodies might have known.
548
00:25:56,041 --> 00:25:57,625
Subconsciously,
they might have known.
549
00:25:57,709 --> 00:25:59,333
They thought this was
a legitimate medical treatment.
550
00:25:59,417 --> 00:26:02,583
They were told over and over
and over again,
551
00:26:02,667 --> 00:26:05,375
"You can trust Larry. Larry says
you can trust Larry.
552
00:26:05,458 --> 00:26:07,083
Kathie says you can trust Larry.
553
00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:08,959
John Geddert says
you can trust Larry."
554
00:26:09,041 --> 00:26:10,625
INTERVIEWER:
Who is John Geddert?
555
00:26:11,458 --> 00:26:12,834
Satan.
556
00:26:12,917 --> 00:26:16,667
He is, uh, the devil,
and he, uh,
557
00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:20,291
is the head coach
and owner of Twistars.
558
00:26:22,959 --> 00:26:24,375
JOHN GEDDERT: Open the hips.
559
00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,959
That's better, feet.
Now up, up, up, up.
560
00:26:27,041 --> 00:26:32,458
That's too much forward.
Straight. Squeeze it. Shape.
561
00:26:32,542 --> 00:26:34,792
Hold the shape.
Press the landing.
562
00:26:34,875 --> 00:26:39,041
Press the landing. Press.
No, stay there. Stay.
563
00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:45,834
WILLIAMS: John Geddert,
former 2012 Olympic team coach.
564
00:26:45,917 --> 00:26:49,875
When I came to Michigan,
very, very, very quickly,
565
00:26:49,959 --> 00:26:52,500
I realized
that John was the force,
566
00:26:52,583 --> 00:26:56,000
the name in, certainly,
Region 5 gymnastics.
567
00:26:56,083 --> 00:26:59,291
MOCEANU: John Geddert coached
Olympic champion Jordyn Wieber,
568
00:26:59,375 --> 00:27:01,709
and he had many other
national team members
569
00:27:01,792 --> 00:27:03,083
throughout the years.
570
00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:04,750
He housed Nassar
571
00:27:04,834 --> 00:27:08,417
at his facility in Michigan,
Twistars,
572
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:11,542
where he had
unprecedented access
573
00:27:11,625 --> 00:27:13,125
to his gymnasts in the gym.
574
00:27:13,208 --> 00:27:14,709
INTERVIEWER:
Like at the Károlyi Ranch?
575
00:27:14,792 --> 00:27:17,208
Very similar environment.
Actually, probably even
576
00:27:17,291 --> 00:27:20,000
more access at Geddert's gym.
577
00:27:20,083 --> 00:27:22,250
At the Ranch,
it was only whenever
578
00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:25,333
he was able to come in
to the monthly camps.
579
00:27:25,417 --> 00:27:27,583
But at Geddert's gym,
he could go in every day
580
00:27:27,667 --> 00:27:28,834
if he wanted to.
581
00:27:28,917 --> 00:27:30,333
TAYLOR LIVINGSTON:
John especially,
582
00:27:30,417 --> 00:27:31,834
Twistars especially,
583
00:27:31,917 --> 00:27:34,291
sent you to Larry.
He came in every Monday,
584
00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:37,417
and he would stay
until everyone was seen.
585
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,834
He was very well known
at the gym, obviously,
586
00:27:39,917 --> 00:27:42,125
because he was promoted
at the gym.
587
00:27:42,208 --> 00:27:45,917
He was pretty much
like our go-to doctor.
588
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,667
HOMER: Larry knew how to
get them back in their sport.
589
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:52,500
He knew how to pick them up
psychologically,
590
00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:55,291
because the last thing you want
to be if you are an athlete
591
00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,709
is injured, especially
in John Geddert's gym.
592
00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:02,500
WILLIAMS: John Geddert,
593
00:28:02,583 --> 00:28:06,750
super intimidating man,
super intimidating.
594
00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:09,333
Um, walks it, owns it, talks it.
595
00:28:09,417 --> 00:28:11,625
How would I describe myself
as a coach?
596
00:28:11,709 --> 00:28:13,083
I know how others describe me,
597
00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:14,750
but I think they get
the wrong impression.
598
00:28:14,834 --> 00:28:18,375
Um. I'm pretty intense,
very caring about my athletes.
599
00:28:18,458 --> 00:28:21,375
Um, I'm not a warm and fuzzy...
600
00:28:21,458 --> 00:28:23,667
um, blow smoke
when it's not needed.
601
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:26,333
I'll give kids their due
when they deserve it,
602
00:28:26,417 --> 00:28:28,959
but I'm not gonna
unnecessarily tell them
603
00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:31,542
how wonderful they are
if they're not being wonderful.
604
00:28:31,625 --> 00:28:37,083
He would use more of a tactic
like beating you down.
605
00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:39,667
So, he would belittle you.
He would insult you,
606
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:40,959
call you names,
607
00:28:41,041 --> 00:28:43,625
and you would feel like
you weren't good enough.
608
00:28:43,709 --> 00:28:45,875
It was your fault.
You were doing things wrong.
609
00:28:45,959 --> 00:28:48,709
At gymnastics meets,
if a girl fell,
610
00:28:48,792 --> 00:28:51,083
I would see him turn his back
on her
611
00:28:51,166 --> 00:28:53,041
and he wouldn't watch her
compete,
612
00:28:53,125 --> 00:28:56,166
or he would-- threw
a water bottle at somebody
613
00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:58,125
because they made a mistake
on the bars.
614
00:28:58,208 --> 00:29:00,834
And so, you would keep trying
harder and harder
615
00:29:00,917 --> 00:29:02,291
to get his approval.
616
00:29:02,375 --> 00:29:03,875
You always wanted
John's approval,
617
00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:06,834
and when he gave it to you,
it was something special.
618
00:29:08,417 --> 00:29:11,834
(CHEERING)
619
00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:13,625
Kinda, like,
the wrong way to do it,
620
00:29:13,709 --> 00:29:18,500
but as long as John got results,
he continued his technique,
621
00:29:18,583 --> 00:29:21,625
just break
every single girl down
622
00:29:21,709 --> 00:29:24,709
until they thought
they were nothing.
623
00:29:26,542 --> 00:29:28,917
And then after practice,
you'd go and see Larry.
624
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,125
He'd be there for you,
be that person
625
00:29:31,208 --> 00:29:33,667
that you know was going
to understand you, and...
626
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:37,250
for me, he was kind of like
a friend that I could go to.
627
00:29:37,333 --> 00:29:40,083
Larry was good and John was bad.
(CHUCKLES)
628
00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:41,583
You knew that
they were good friends
629
00:29:41,667 --> 00:29:43,583
but I never-- it's weird
'cause like I don't--
630
00:29:43,667 --> 00:29:45,083
they're so different.
631
00:29:45,166 --> 00:29:47,000
Larry's super dorky,
632
00:29:47,083 --> 00:29:50,417
and John was super, like, ego.
633
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,875
But it was almost like
the weird perfect fit.
634
00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:56,458
I think that if we were injured,
John sent us to Larry
635
00:29:56,542 --> 00:29:59,834
because he would give
the shortest amount of time
636
00:29:59,917 --> 00:30:04,458
that could be necessary
to come back from our injury.
637
00:30:04,542 --> 00:30:07,959
And there would be no mediator,
I guess, in the middle
638
00:30:08,041 --> 00:30:11,792
to be like, "Well maybe she
needs this extra few weeks."
639
00:30:11,875 --> 00:30:13,291
If Larry thought you were okay,
640
00:30:13,375 --> 00:30:16,667
then you must not be hurting
anymore. You're okay.
641
00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:18,166
INTERVIEWER:
That sounds dangerous.
642
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,041
Yeah. Um. I would say so.
643
00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834
HUTCHINS: I started having
some shin pain in my leg,
644
00:30:23,917 --> 00:30:26,709
and it started getting worse
a couple weeks later.
645
00:30:26,792 --> 00:30:29,000
And so then, I finally said
something to John,
646
00:30:29,083 --> 00:30:30,792
and he said,
"Well, go see Larry."
647
00:30:30,875 --> 00:30:34,291
So, I saw Larry. He poked
and prodded at it, and he says,
648
00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,500
"I don't think anything's
seriously wrong with it."
649
00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:38,166
Like, "I'll tape it up
a little bit,
650
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:40,333
but you're okay
to continue practicing."
651
00:30:40,417 --> 00:30:42,834
I kept practicing
for weeks later.
652
00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:46,625
The pain got worse.
It felt like I was stabbing it
653
00:30:46,709 --> 00:30:49,583
every time I tumbled.
And it got to the point
654
00:30:49,667 --> 00:30:53,208
where I was seeing Larry
every day at practice,
655
00:30:53,291 --> 00:30:55,375
and then after practice,
I would go to his house
656
00:30:55,458 --> 00:30:58,083
and be in his basement
at his house.
657
00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,333
INTERVIEWER: How often
did he do the "treatment"?
658
00:31:00,417 --> 00:31:01,625
Every time.
659
00:31:01,709 --> 00:31:03,750
And I felt violated,
but he's a doctor.
660
00:31:03,834 --> 00:31:05,542
It's got to be for some reason.
661
00:31:05,625 --> 00:31:07,917
Um. So, I just
never said anything,
662
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,166
and I just kind of accepted it.
663
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:12,625
You would think that if your
leg wasn't getting better,
664
00:31:12,709 --> 00:31:16,417
you might want to get X-rays
on it, but that didn't happen.
665
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,625
Doing all the gymnastics stuff
on it,
666
00:31:18,709 --> 00:31:20,709
it was, um, excruciating,
667
00:31:20,792 --> 00:31:23,000
but a prestigious
Olympic doctor
668
00:31:23,083 --> 00:31:24,417
is telling you nothing's wrong,
669
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,291
so you kind of think
you're crazy.
670
00:31:26,375 --> 00:31:31,166
I mean, it makes you wonder
what really is pain.
671
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:33,583
And the practice before we left
for nationals,
672
00:31:33,667 --> 00:31:36,458
I was struggling so hard.
And so finally, I was like,
673
00:31:36,542 --> 00:31:38,041
"John, like, I'm trying
my hardest
674
00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:40,500
but my leg hurts so bad,
I can't make this."
675
00:31:40,583 --> 00:31:46,792
And he told me to get my stuff
out of the fucking locker room
676
00:31:46,875 --> 00:31:52,041
and get out of the fucking gym.
He means forever.
677
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:56,542
So, I go to the ER,
I get X-rays, and it's broken.
678
00:31:56,625 --> 00:31:58,166
Like, splintered.
679
00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:02,583
It looks like a nail
was hammering down on my leg
680
00:32:02,667 --> 00:32:05,458
and it just kept
splintering off pieces
681
00:32:05,542 --> 00:32:08,333
because I just kept tumbling
on it.
682
00:32:08,417 --> 00:32:11,375
INTERVIEWER:
Do you think that you were
purposely mistreated by Nassar
683
00:32:11,458 --> 00:32:14,417
in order to keep you
in his care?
684
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,834
HUTCHINS: I think
it's definitely a possibility.
685
00:32:17,917 --> 00:32:21,583
Why else would I have competed
on a broken leg for a month?
686
00:32:21,667 --> 00:32:24,375
Why else wouldn't X-rays
have been in the question
687
00:32:24,458 --> 00:32:27,000
if it continued to get worse
and not better?
688
00:32:27,083 --> 00:32:29,041
INTERVIEWER: Do you think
that John Geddert knew
689
00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:31,875
about Nassar's
so called "treatments"...
690
00:32:31,959 --> 00:32:33,583
and that
they were not appropriate?
691
00:32:33,667 --> 00:32:37,375
Um... it's hard to say,
692
00:32:37,458 --> 00:32:42,000
but I don't know how anyone
couldn't have known,
693
00:32:42,083 --> 00:32:43,792
um, with be--
694
00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:46,709
it being in a room right there
in your own gym. You know?
695
00:32:46,792 --> 00:32:49,500
There's no way he didn't know
something about Larry.
696
00:32:49,583 --> 00:32:53,041
And even if he thought
it was really a treatment
697
00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:55,625
because this guy was supposed
to be his best friend
698
00:32:55,709 --> 00:33:00,917
and was supposed to be a doctor,
it's such a bizarre thing
699
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000
that you would hope that
he would at least look into it.
700
00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:05,458
And there's no way
he didn't hear.
701
00:33:05,542 --> 00:33:09,000
We talked about it openly
in the gym.
702
00:33:09,083 --> 00:33:12,333
GAMET: There's a whole
institution of people who knew
703
00:33:12,417 --> 00:33:16,041
through these years, and it--
it could have been stopped.
704
00:33:16,125 --> 00:33:19,750
INTERVIEWER:
How do you think the abuse could
have stopped earlier?
705
00:33:19,834 --> 00:33:23,625
Could have stopped
when Kathie was told.
706
00:33:26,291 --> 00:33:29,542
GAMET: Kathie Klages,
another friend of John Geddert
707
00:33:29,625 --> 00:33:34,959
and Larry Nassar.
She was told in-- in '97.
708
00:33:37,959 --> 00:33:41,083
LARISSA BOYCE: I went to
Spartan Youth Gymnastics Club,
709
00:33:41,166 --> 00:33:45,041
and one of the head coaches
was Kathie Klages,
710
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:47,583
MSU's head gymnastics coach.
711
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,625
I had been thinking about...
712
00:33:50,709 --> 00:33:54,333
talking to an adult
about these "treatments"
713
00:33:54,417 --> 00:33:56,500
'cause it did make me
uncomfortable.
714
00:33:56,583 --> 00:34:00,667
So, Kathie Klages had me come
into her office,
715
00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:03,083
and I did specifically tell her
716
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:07,834
that Larry was putting
his fingers inside of me.
717
00:34:07,917 --> 00:34:11,875
And she just said
I must be misunderstanding.
718
00:34:11,959 --> 00:34:14,792
He would never do anything
inappropriate.
719
00:34:14,875 --> 00:34:17,875
She said she had known him
for years and years
720
00:34:17,959 --> 00:34:20,458
and I just must be mistaken.
721
00:34:20,542 --> 00:34:25,875
Kathie did not believe her.
So she marched other gymnasts in
722
00:34:25,959 --> 00:34:29,291
to try to dissuade Larissa
that this wasn't happening.
723
00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:32,917
She had teammates come in,
a couple at a time,
724
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,750
while I was sitting there
in her office, in front of me,
725
00:34:35,834 --> 00:34:39,291
and she asked them if Larry had
ever done anything
726
00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:42,333
to make them feel uncomfortable
during treatments.
727
00:34:42,417 --> 00:34:46,625
And all of them said no,
except one other girl.
728
00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:49,250
So, this other girl stayed
in the room,
729
00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:53,875
and Kathie still just couldn't
wrap her head
730
00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:55,458
around what we were saying.
731
00:34:55,542 --> 00:34:59,125
So, she brought in a couple
college-aged gymnasts,
732
00:34:59,208 --> 00:35:02,250
and they would explain,
"You know, his hands get close
733
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:05,917
to certain areas, but they
never are inappropriate."
734
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,333
And I again, I said,
735
00:35:08,417 --> 00:35:11,417
"Well, that's not
what's happening to me.
736
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,208
His fingers are going inside."
737
00:35:13,291 --> 00:35:15,208
Then at that point,
they left the room.
738
00:35:15,291 --> 00:35:16,750
The other girl left the room.
739
00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:19,083
GREWAL: Coach Klages told
the other gymnast,
740
00:35:19,166 --> 00:35:21,959
"You're misinterpreting this.
I don't want to hear it,"
741
00:35:22,041 --> 00:35:24,875
and basically, shut her up.
742
00:35:24,959 --> 00:35:26,667
But Larissa still stood
her ground.
743
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:30,792
I again said what was happening,
and she said,
744
00:35:30,875 --> 00:35:33,291
"Well, I could file this
745
00:35:33,375 --> 00:35:35,959
but there's going to be
very serious consequences
746
00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:38,709
for both you and Larry Nassar,
747
00:35:38,792 --> 00:35:40,959
and you need to really think
about this."
748
00:35:41,041 --> 00:35:45,208
And I just, I think I raised
my hands and said,
749
00:35:45,291 --> 00:35:46,959
"I don't want to get anybody
in trouble.
750
00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:50,875
That's not my intention."
And so, I went back out
751
00:35:50,959 --> 00:35:52,667
and I think I ran
into the bathroom
752
00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:56,333
and just cried
for the majority of practice.
753
00:35:56,417 --> 00:36:00,083
GREWAL: She intimidated her,
and it shut her down.
754
00:36:00,166 --> 00:36:02,917
Coach Klages
then didn't tell her parents,
755
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,125
but she did tell one person.
756
00:36:05,208 --> 00:36:07,041
She told Larry Nassar.
757
00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:10,625
BOYCE: So, my next appointment
with Larry, he walked in,
758
00:36:10,709 --> 00:36:13,125
he closed the door,
he sat on his little stool,
759
00:36:13,208 --> 00:36:15,917
and he said,
"So, I talked to Kathie."
760
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,041
And at that point my heart
just sank.
761
00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:23,250
I felt so embarrassed.
I felt so humiliated.
762
00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:25,500
He said, "Kathie told me
your concerns,
763
00:36:25,583 --> 00:36:28,333
and you know I'm doing this
to help you."
764
00:36:28,417 --> 00:36:30,917
And I remember saying,
"I'm so sorry.
765
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,375
This is all my fault.
It's all a big misunderstanding
766
00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:36,834
and I'm sorry."
767
00:36:36,917 --> 00:36:41,000
So, I just convinced myself
that I must be the problem
768
00:36:41,083 --> 00:36:43,458
and I just better suck it up.
769
00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:46,291
And then I hopped back up
on that table,
770
00:36:46,375 --> 00:36:50,917
and he continued to abuse me
for the next four years.
771
00:36:54,417 --> 00:36:56,959
HAMILTON: Adults prefer
and protect adults.
772
00:36:57,041 --> 00:36:58,875
We say we protect children,
773
00:36:58,959 --> 00:37:01,041
but children
are second-class citizens.
774
00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:02,959
They don't vote,
they don't have power,
775
00:37:03,041 --> 00:37:07,375
and it's so much easier
to let a child's needs go.
776
00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,125
It's really denial,
but it's also...
777
00:37:10,208 --> 00:37:13,709
they're protecting
the adult's livelihood.
778
00:37:13,792 --> 00:37:17,458
No one wants to destroy
a successful adult's life.
779
00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:19,500
And so, we put it off
and we put it off.
780
00:37:19,583 --> 00:37:25,792
Larissa Boyce um, told people
who worked for MSU in 1997.
781
00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:31,291
Uh. I was three in 1997.
782
00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:34,583
You know, that's impactful.
It could have been stopped.
783
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:37,792
BOYCE: Kathie Klages knew that
there was a proper process
784
00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:40,208
that she should have taken
when she told me
785
00:37:40,291 --> 00:37:44,709
that she could file something,
but she chose not to.
786
00:37:44,792 --> 00:37:49,875
And so, I absolutely believe
that's on MSU.
787
00:37:49,959 --> 00:37:51,250
She was their employee.
788
00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:53,625
And then all of the other girls
who came forward
789
00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,250
and told trainers
or psychiatrists,
790
00:37:57,333 --> 00:38:01,458
all of them were at MSU,
MSU employees.
791
00:38:01,542 --> 00:38:04,750
GREWAL: They did not want
to believe a single girl.
792
00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:07,709
From 1997 to 2015,
793
00:38:07,792 --> 00:38:11,250
there were 17 incidents
of reporting,
794
00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:12,959
just to Michigan State alone.
795
00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,583
O'BRIEN:
In 2014, Amanda Thomashow,
796
00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:18,375
who had attended
Michigan State University,
797
00:38:18,458 --> 00:38:21,125
filed a Title IX complaint
against Larry Nassar,
798
00:38:21,208 --> 00:38:24,959
alleging that he had molested
her during a treatment session.
799
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:27,583
AMANDA THOMASHOW: I told them
exactly what happened,
800
00:38:27,667 --> 00:38:33,875
that Nassar started to insert
his fingers into me
801
00:38:33,959 --> 00:38:37,750
and I pu-- stood up,
I pushed him off of me,
802
00:38:37,834 --> 00:38:40,750
and he ran to the corner
of the room
803
00:38:41,875 --> 00:38:43,333
to hide his erection.
804
00:38:45,917 --> 00:38:47,583
GREWAL:
Michigan State University
805
00:38:47,667 --> 00:38:50,291
investigated
through their OIE office,
806
00:38:50,375 --> 00:38:52,208
Office of
Institutional Equities,
807
00:38:52,291 --> 00:38:55,500
and they're supposed
to be impartial.
808
00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:58,917
In that investigation,
they allowed Larry Nassar
809
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,500
to pick four, quote,
810
00:39:01,583 --> 00:39:04,792
"independent
corroborating experts"
811
00:39:04,875 --> 00:39:07,417
of his so-called "treatment."
812
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:11,542
Larry said that it was medical.
813
00:39:11,625 --> 00:39:14,166
I said that
it was sexual assault.
814
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:18,125
And so, they asked some
of his friends
815
00:39:18,208 --> 00:39:19,959
what they thought.
816
00:39:20,041 --> 00:39:23,208
GREWAL: Three of the four were
his students or colleagues.
817
00:39:23,291 --> 00:39:26,542
One was a trainer.
He knew all of them.
818
00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:28,709
He hand-picked all of them
with the knowledge
819
00:39:28,792 --> 00:39:31,000
of his supervisor,
Dean Strampel.
820
00:39:31,083 --> 00:39:33,959
And what the report
finally said was that
821
00:39:34,041 --> 00:39:37,750
the young lady
misunderstood the nuances,
822
00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:39,500
and as a result,
823
00:39:39,583 --> 00:39:41,792
they found no violation.
824
00:39:41,875 --> 00:39:46,417
THOMASHOW: They left
the erection out of the report.
825
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:51,417
They also left out the fact
that I pushed him off of me.
826
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:56,834
I was 24. I knew what was
and was not appropriate.
827
00:40:01,083 --> 00:40:02,458
They gaslighted me.
828
00:40:03,959 --> 00:40:07,000
So,
this is the surprising thing.
829
00:40:07,083 --> 00:40:08,709
Two reports were generated.
830
00:40:08,792 --> 00:40:12,542
There was a report generated,
issued to Amanda Thomashow,
831
00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,542
and in that report, they say
832
00:40:14,625 --> 00:40:17,750
they find no violation of
the Sexual Harassment Policies.
833
00:40:17,834 --> 00:40:19,542
The report ends on page 22.
834
00:40:19,625 --> 00:40:21,750
Lo and behold,
here we are in civil litigation.
835
00:40:21,834 --> 00:40:23,375
You know what we find?
836
00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:25,959
(WHISPERS)
There's a page 23.
837
00:40:26,041 --> 00:40:30,041
Page 23 goes into
all the problems
838
00:40:30,125 --> 00:40:31,667
that potentially are there.
839
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:34,291
It is opening the university up
to a liability,
840
00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:36,291
that they had better
have a chaperone in place,
841
00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:39,417
he'd better wear gloves, he'd
better have informed consent.
842
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,583
And they never turned
that report out for anybody.
843
00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:45,166
That report's internally kept
between Larry,
844
00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:47,917
Strampel, and the OIE office.
845
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,625
The three years surrounding
my investigation,
846
00:40:50,709 --> 00:40:53,709
my Title IX
was the only Title IX
847
00:40:53,792 --> 00:40:57,333
that produced
two separate conclusions.
848
00:40:57,417 --> 00:41:00,208
GREWAL: So, Larry Nassar
was put on leave 90 days.
849
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:02,834
That's how long
the OIE investigation was.
850
00:41:02,917 --> 00:41:05,375
But in the end, Dean Strampel
put it in an email,
851
00:41:05,458 --> 00:41:06,917
"glad to have you back."
852
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,041
"Please, Larry, just follow
these restrictions."
853
00:41:10,125 --> 00:41:13,375
Dean Strampel put restrictions
on Larry Nassar.
854
00:41:13,458 --> 00:41:16,083
THOMASHOW: Simple rules
like explain the procedure,
855
00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:20,125
wear gloves, have somebody else
present in the room.
856
00:41:20,208 --> 00:41:23,792
GREWAL: But Dean Strampel,
he never followed up.
857
00:41:23,875 --> 00:41:25,792
We've spoken
to the support personnel
858
00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:29,875
at the clinical center,
who were there after 2014,
859
00:41:29,959 --> 00:41:31,417
who were never informed
of these procedures
860
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,625
that Dean Strampel was supposed
to inform everybody.
861
00:41:33,709 --> 00:41:36,375
And at the same time, we have a
criminal investigation going on
862
00:41:36,458 --> 00:41:38,208
by the Ingham County
prosecutor's office.
863
00:41:38,291 --> 00:41:40,291
NASSAR:
The patient was concerned
864
00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:41,959
that I was inappropriately
touching her
865
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:44,500
-and didn't understand why.
-OFFICER: Okay.
866
00:41:44,583 --> 00:41:47,291
Like, you know, "He was,
you know, touching me
867
00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:50,667
in my private areas," you know,
and she didn't understand why.
868
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:52,333
And that's--
those are two things
869
00:41:52,417 --> 00:41:56,542
that confused me because I-- I--
I do this on a regular basis.
870
00:41:56,625 --> 00:41:58,333
-OFFICER: Okay.
-This is, this a treatment
871
00:41:58,417 --> 00:42:00,041
that I-- that I lecture on.
872
00:42:00,125 --> 00:42:03,667
I lecture on, not only here
at Michigan State
873
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:06,333
to the fellows and residents
and medical students,
874
00:42:06,417 --> 00:42:10,083
but to, um, uh,
national organizations.
875
00:42:10,166 --> 00:42:13,667
GREWAL: Shouldn't
a prosecuting attorney office
876
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:17,000
bring in outside experts?
877
00:42:17,083 --> 00:42:19,083
You know whose experts
they used?
878
00:42:19,166 --> 00:42:20,959
Michigan State University's,
879
00:42:21,041 --> 00:42:23,208
experts that Larry Nassar
hand-picked.
880
00:42:23,291 --> 00:42:27,208
They believed the status
of Larry Nassar.
881
00:42:27,291 --> 00:42:30,583
And once again, they also found
there was no sexual assault.
882
00:42:30,667 --> 00:42:33,125
And they sent one
of the detectives over there
883
00:42:33,208 --> 00:42:35,125
to tell Larry,
"Make sure, in the future,
884
00:42:35,208 --> 00:42:37,792
you have somebody in the room,
and you wear gloves,
885
00:42:37,875 --> 00:42:39,583
and you explain
what's going on."
886
00:42:40,375 --> 00:42:42,083
So, 2014,
887
00:42:42,166 --> 00:42:44,834
you have all these restrictions
were put in place.
888
00:42:44,917 --> 00:42:46,458
The assaults
should have stopped.
889
00:42:47,625 --> 00:42:49,000
They didn't.
890
00:42:49,083 --> 00:42:51,917
I was a patient of his
before, during, and after
891
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000
that Title IX investigation,
892
00:42:54,083 --> 00:42:55,792
where protocol was put
into place,
893
00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:59,125
that I wasn't made aware of,
and then not followed.
894
00:43:00,250 --> 00:43:01,542
Nothing changed.
895
00:43:01,625 --> 00:43:04,375
You know, ex-- what happened
during the visits
896
00:43:04,458 --> 00:43:07,875
was exactly the same
from when she started seeing him
897
00:43:07,959 --> 00:43:11,250
in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015.
898
00:43:11,333 --> 00:43:12,959
INTERVIEWER:
When did the incidents happen
899
00:43:13,041 --> 00:43:17,083
-with Larry Nassar?
-Um, in 2014.
900
00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:19,041
They didn't have him
follow the guidelines,
901
00:43:19,125 --> 00:43:22,417
and they didn't really put
a stop to it
902
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,750
until so many people
came forward.
903
00:43:26,834 --> 00:43:29,291
GREWAL: Out of 90 of our
survivors that we represent,
904
00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:35,500
28 of them were assaulted
during or after 2014,
905
00:43:35,583 --> 00:43:38,166
Title IX investigation
of Amanda Thomashow.
906
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:41,417
But this is not just
Michigan State University.
907
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:45,041
It goes to organization
that span this country,
908
00:43:45,125 --> 00:43:47,667
USOC, USAG.
909
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:49,709
INTERVIEWER:
Do we know when USAG
910
00:43:49,792 --> 00:43:52,041
knew about
Larry Nassar's predilections?
911
00:43:54,291 --> 00:43:56,375
Well, we know for a fact
it was 2015.
912
00:43:58,875 --> 00:44:00,959
O'BRIEN: Spring 2015,
913
00:44:01,041 --> 00:44:04,917
Maggie Nichols, gymnast
on the U.S. National Team
914
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,542
was at the Károlyi Ranch for one
of the monthly training camps.
915
00:44:09,625 --> 00:44:12,083
And she was with Aly Raisman.
916
00:44:12,166 --> 00:44:14,250
And Maggie said out loud,
917
00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:16,917
"What's with this technique
he does?
918
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,417
Like why does he put his finger
inside me?
919
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,000
I'm not sure it's helping."
920
00:44:21,083 --> 00:44:24,458
And Maggie Nichols's coach
happened to be within earshot
921
00:44:24,542 --> 00:44:26,333
and was alarmed by this.
922
00:44:26,417 --> 00:44:29,667
There was a report made
to USA Gymnastics.
923
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:31,667
Steve Penny sat on it
for a few weeks.
924
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:34,750
MOCEANU: USA Gymnastics
former president, Steve Penny,
925
00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:38,250
was notified
that a gymnast was assaulted
926
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:39,667
at the national team camp.
927
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:42,583
Why on Earth
did they not report him then?
928
00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:46,000
O'BRIEN: Maggie Nichols's
mother was told by Steve Penny,
929
00:44:46,083 --> 00:44:48,125
"Don't do anything.
Don't report it.
930
00:44:48,208 --> 00:44:49,667
We're going to handle this
internally.
931
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:51,458
We don't know yet
if we need to report this."
932
00:44:51,542 --> 00:44:56,000
They waited for five weeks
before they went to the FBI.
933
00:44:56,083 --> 00:44:58,000
Five weeks.
934
00:44:58,083 --> 00:45:01,000
When you have gymnasts
telling you that Larry's doing
935
00:45:01,083 --> 00:45:04,667
these manipulations every day,
sometimes twice a day,
936
00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:07,709
five weeks is a long time
to be sitting on the knowledge
937
00:45:07,792 --> 00:45:10,500
that Larry Nassar is--
is a sexual predator.
938
00:45:10,583 --> 00:45:12,959
O'BEIRNE: They waited five week
because they did their own
939
00:45:13,041 --> 00:45:15,375
internal investigation
as to whether or not
940
00:45:15,458 --> 00:45:17,917
this was sexual abuse or not.
941
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,875
O'BRIEN:
After an internal investigator
942
00:45:19,959 --> 00:45:22,333
told Steve Penny, "You really
have a problem here.
943
00:45:22,417 --> 00:45:23,917
You have to go to the FBI,"
944
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,875
Steve Penny
called Scott Blackmun,
945
00:45:26,959 --> 00:45:29,875
the chief executive
of the US Olympic Committee.
946
00:45:29,959 --> 00:45:32,542
The Olympic Committee legally is
responsible for the safety
947
00:45:32,625 --> 00:45:34,417
of the athletes at the Olympics.
948
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,417
And Steve Penny said
to Scott Blackman
949
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:38,792
something to the effect of,
950
00:45:38,875 --> 00:45:40,417
"We have a member
of our medical staff
951
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,375
who's been accused
of improper contact.
952
00:45:43,458 --> 00:45:46,375
I'm going to report it
to the FBI."
953
00:45:46,458 --> 00:45:50,208
Scott Blackmun has said to us
that he told Steve Penny,
954
00:45:50,291 --> 00:45:51,709
"Definitely report this,"
955
00:45:51,792 --> 00:45:54,083
-and Steve Penny did.
-INTERVIEWER: Is that enough?
956
00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:56,250
I mean, that's a--
that's a question.
957
00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:58,667
Of course, we want to say "no"
because of what happened
958
00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:01,000
in the subsequent year.
N-- he-- nothing happened.
959
00:46:01,083 --> 00:46:05,917
The USOC had tremendous
responsibility as the top
960
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,583
of all of Olympic sports
in the United States.
961
00:46:09,667 --> 00:46:11,500
And the USOC has had
962
00:46:11,583 --> 00:46:14,959
inadequate child protection
policies for years.
963
00:46:15,041 --> 00:46:18,208
There's been a problem
in gymnastics with sexual abuse
964
00:46:18,291 --> 00:46:21,250
and with physical abuse
for decades.
965
00:46:21,333 --> 00:46:22,834
O'BRIEN: In 1999,
966
00:46:22,917 --> 00:46:26,000
the then-president of
USA Gymnastics, Bob Colarossi,
967
00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:28,083
wrote a letter to the USOC
968
00:46:28,166 --> 00:46:30,458
raising concerns
about their method
969
00:46:30,542 --> 00:46:33,625
of handling allegations
of abuses by coaches,
970
00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:35,625
saying, the way
the system works
971
00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:37,917
is going to get us in trouble.
972
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,834
Scott Blackmun
was on that letter.
973
00:46:40,917 --> 00:46:42,291
HAMILTON: They knew it.
974
00:46:42,375 --> 00:46:44,166
They knew they needed
a better system,
975
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,959
and they sat on their hands.
976
00:46:47,041 --> 00:46:49,375
GREWAL: Nassar, he actually
was allowed to resign
977
00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:52,291
from USA Gymnastics and said
he's taking his leave of absence
978
00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:55,625
and thanked them
and left on his own terms.
979
00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:58,208
O'BRIEN:
But Nassar is back in Michigan,
980
00:46:58,291 --> 00:46:59,625
still treating patients.
981
00:46:59,709 --> 00:47:01,583
He continued to do that
for more than a year
982
00:47:01,667 --> 00:47:03,041
after that in Michigan.
983
00:47:03,125 --> 00:47:06,291
Wouldn't USA Gymnastics
tell Michigan State University
984
00:47:06,375 --> 00:47:08,542
there's an investigation on?
They didn't tell them.
985
00:47:08,625 --> 00:47:10,083
You know, there are
many missed opportunities
986
00:47:10,166 --> 00:47:11,917
for people to be informed
about this.
987
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,375
And what nobody knew
at USA Gymnastics
988
00:47:16,458 --> 00:47:19,625
was that the FBI never inve--
even opened an investigation.
989
00:47:19,709 --> 00:47:22,333
I mean, it went to the FBI
in Indianapolis.
990
00:47:22,417 --> 00:47:25,417
The FBI in Indianapolis said,
"We're gonna kick this over
991
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,834
to the Detroit office,"
and then it died there.
992
00:47:28,917 --> 00:47:31,291
The FBI in Indianapolis
doesn't seem to have taken
993
00:47:31,375 --> 00:47:33,542
their allegations
very seriously.
994
00:47:33,625 --> 00:47:37,500
We also don't know exactly
what Steve Penny told them.
995
00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:42,583
GREWAL: MSU, USAG, USOC,
Twistars, and the FBI,
996
00:47:42,667 --> 00:47:45,500
all these organizations,
they knew.
997
00:47:45,583 --> 00:47:47,834
Every organization had a chance
to stop.
998
00:47:47,917 --> 00:47:51,250
O'BEIRNE: All that time, Nassar
was still working at MSU.
999
00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:53,125
He was still working for Holt,
1000
00:47:53,208 --> 00:47:55,667
the school district
that he was working for.
1001
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:59,875
He was treating people nonstop
1002
00:47:59,959 --> 00:48:03,000
until Rachael Denhollander
came forward.
1003
00:48:04,625 --> 00:48:06,125
-NASSAR: Sorry.
-ANDREA MUNFORD:
1004
00:48:06,208 --> 00:48:07,792
NASSAR:
1005
00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:10,291
-MUNFORD:
-NASSAR: Yeah.
1006
00:48:10,375 --> 00:48:11,625
MUNFORD:
1007
00:48:16,792 --> 00:48:18,125
-NASSAR:
-MUNFORD:
1008
00:48:18,208 --> 00:48:19,834
NASSAR:
1009
00:48:21,792 --> 00:48:23,750
MUNFORD:
1010
00:48:25,834 --> 00:48:26,792
NASSAR:
1011
00:48:26,875 --> 00:48:27,959
MUNFORD: Okay.
1012
00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:34,500
MUNFORD: Mm-hmm.
1013
00:48:37,667 --> 00:48:39,333
MUNFORD:
1014
00:48:39,875 --> 00:48:41,875
NASSAR:
1015
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,166
(CHUCKLES)
1016
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,709
-MUNFORD: Okay.
-NASSAR:
1017
00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:53,834
MUNFORD: Right.
1018
00:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,000
-NASSAR:
-MUNFORD:
1019
00:49:00,333 --> 00:49:01,709
NASSAR:
1020
00:49:01,792 --> 00:49:04,333
I was a patient
of Dr. Nassar in 2000,
1021
00:49:04,417 --> 00:49:07,875
and at age 15, was repeatedly
sexually assaulted by him
1022
00:49:07,959 --> 00:49:09,583
under the guise
of medical treatment
1023
00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:11,041
and medical examination.
1024
00:49:11,125 --> 00:49:14,250
Rachael Denhollander was not
an Olympian, but, um,
1025
00:49:14,333 --> 00:49:19,083
an advanced level gymnast,
who in the summer of 2016
1026
00:49:19,166 --> 00:49:20,917
became the first person
1027
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,709
to openly name Larry Nassar
as an abuser.
1028
00:49:24,792 --> 00:49:28,709
She was inspired to do this
by a series that ran
1029
00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:30,291
in The Indianapolis Star.
1030
00:49:30,375 --> 00:49:32,750
There's a troubling report
in USA Today network
1031
00:49:32,834 --> 00:49:34,583
and The Indianapolis Star.
1032
00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:37,208
The governing body
for American gymnastics
1033
00:49:37,291 --> 00:49:39,875
is accused of routinely
protecting coaches
1034
00:49:39,959 --> 00:49:43,000
who are accused of sexually
abusing young athletes.
1035
00:49:43,083 --> 00:49:45,125
O'BRIEN: Rachael Denhollander
read this article,
1036
00:49:45,208 --> 00:49:47,250
and she had been,
over the years,
1037
00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:49,959
coming to terms
with this "treatment"
1038
00:49:50,041 --> 00:49:52,208
that she had been subjected to
1039
00:49:52,291 --> 00:49:55,125
by Larry Nassar
more than a decade earlier,
1040
00:49:55,208 --> 00:49:57,959
and she reached out
to a reporter.
1041
00:49:58,041 --> 00:49:59,458
REPORTER 3:
Rachael Denhollander
1042
00:49:59,542 --> 00:50:01,500
told The Indianapolis Star
newspaper
1043
00:50:01,583 --> 00:50:03,709
that Nassar
sexually assaulted her
1044
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:05,458
when she was 15 years old,
1045
00:50:05,542 --> 00:50:08,667
taking part
in club gymnastics in Michigan.
1046
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:12,542
O'BRIEN: Ultimately,
one other former Olympian spoke
1047
00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542
anonymously
in the original article
1048
00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:17,208
and identified Larry
as an abuser.
1049
00:50:17,291 --> 00:50:21,083
When someone comes public
and puts it in a major newspaper
1050
00:50:21,166 --> 00:50:24,792
that this guy, who's employed
by your university,
1051
00:50:24,875 --> 00:50:26,750
um, sexually abused her,
1052
00:50:26,834 --> 00:50:29,000
and you have two people
talking about it,
1053
00:50:29,083 --> 00:50:30,417
that carries a lot of weight.
1054
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:32,333
Two gymnasts
have accused Dr. Larry Nassar
1055
00:50:32,417 --> 00:50:34,083
of sexually abusing them
during treatment.
1056
00:50:34,166 --> 00:50:36,333
REPORTER: One of women
has filed a criminal complaint
1057
00:50:36,417 --> 00:50:38,583
against Nassar
with Michigan Police.
1058
00:50:38,667 --> 00:50:42,041
The other has filed
a lawsuit in California.
1059
00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:46,291
I read the headline,
and I laughed in disbelief.
1060
00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,875
I was like, "There is no way."
Like, "He is a saint."
1061
00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:51,291
'Cause at that point,
1062
00:50:51,375 --> 00:50:52,750
even though I didn't like
the treatments,
1063
00:50:52,834 --> 00:50:54,291
I really thought that he had
1064
00:50:54,375 --> 00:50:56,166
been helping me
this whole time.
1065
00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:59,625
I actually defended him at first
'cause I knew that--
1066
00:50:59,709 --> 00:51:03,792
well, I was told that this was
a valid medical procedure
1067
00:51:03,875 --> 00:51:07,542
and I was brainwashed
and conditioned into b--
1068
00:51:07,625 --> 00:51:10,709
to believing that
for the past 20 years,
1069
00:51:10,792 --> 00:51:13,375
I think, in order
to just survive through it.
1070
00:51:13,458 --> 00:51:16,375
And so, I defended him.
1071
00:51:16,458 --> 00:51:18,875
HOMER: Trinea came home,
and we both just said,
1072
00:51:18,959 --> 00:51:21,875
"This cannot be."
She's like, "There's no way."
1073
00:51:21,959 --> 00:51:23,750
It's Larry. It's Larry.
1074
00:51:23,834 --> 00:51:26,083
If you know Larry, there's
no way it can be Larry."
1075
00:51:26,166 --> 00:51:28,208
And it actually made me mad.
I was like,
1076
00:51:28,291 --> 00:51:32,250
"How dare you accuse
such a kind person
1077
00:51:32,333 --> 00:51:36,083
of doing such
an extremely awful thing?
1078
00:51:36,166 --> 00:51:37,709
Um. And I didn't read
the article
1079
00:51:37,792 --> 00:51:39,542
'cause I was
in a dance rehearsal at college.
1080
00:51:39,625 --> 00:51:42,333
But then when I was by myself
after that rehearsal,
1081
00:51:42,417 --> 00:51:44,875
I started reading
through the article,
1082
00:51:44,959 --> 00:51:47,959
and Rachael Denhollander
had it to a tee.
1083
00:51:48,041 --> 00:51:49,917
She described
my whole experience,
1084
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,959
weird commentary, no gloves,
internal techniques,
1085
00:51:53,041 --> 00:51:56,959
followed by his response that
he never went internal, ever.
1086
00:51:57,041 --> 00:51:59,709
He would never do that.
And I was like,
1087
00:51:59,792 --> 00:52:04,166
"His story is very different
than my personal experience."
1088
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,083
LIVINGSTON:
I was so embarrassed
1089
00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:08,583
when it first started
coming out.
1090
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,375
I didn't want to say anything.
I was like,
1091
00:52:10,458 --> 00:52:14,917
"How did I let this happen?
How did I not know?"
1092
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,375
The thing is, like,
my whole life, like,
1093
00:52:17,458 --> 00:52:20,000
I've trained to be
smart as I can,
1094
00:52:20,083 --> 00:52:23,583
as strong as I can,
and as fearless as I can.
1095
00:52:23,667 --> 00:52:28,041
And like, in moments like that,
where those things happen,
1096
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,750
I was none of those things.
1097
00:52:30,834 --> 00:52:33,667
And to me,
that was, like, soul-crushing.
1098
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:35,166
Over that night, my--
1099
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:36,875
the gears started shifting
in my head,
1100
00:52:36,959 --> 00:52:40,583
realizing all this time
for seven years of my life
1101
00:52:40,667 --> 00:52:43,583
that I thought it was medical
and helping me--
1102
00:52:43,667 --> 00:52:45,959
and I literally walked around
praising his name,
1103
00:52:46,041 --> 00:52:47,959
referring people to him.
1104
00:52:48,041 --> 00:52:50,917
Now I've been referring people
to a monster.
1105
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,709
GONCZAR: I started to have a
heavy guilt about other people
1106
00:52:53,792 --> 00:52:56,250
that had come to me
when I was younger and saying,
1107
00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:59,000
"You know, I'm confused.
Something happened to me,
1108
00:52:59,083 --> 00:53:00,625
but, you know, do you know
anything about this?"
1109
00:53:00,709 --> 00:53:02,417
I'm like, "Oh yeah,
it happens to me all the time.
1110
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,458
He does it to me all the time.
You're good.
1111
00:53:04,542 --> 00:53:06,208
You don't have to worry.
It's not weird.
1112
00:53:06,291 --> 00:53:08,291
You're not the only one...
1113
00:53:08,375 --> 00:53:11,667
He does it to me all the time.
So, you're good."
1114
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:13,500
And then thinking like,
"Oh my God,
1115
00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,583
like, did I just silence
these people?
1116
00:53:16,875 --> 00:53:20,083
Like, did I stop them
from stopping him?"
1117
00:53:22,041 --> 00:53:23,208
I did.
1118
00:53:25,083 --> 00:53:27,375
INTERVIEWER: That's because
you didn't know what it was.
1119
00:53:27,458 --> 00:53:29,917
I know. (SOBS) But I still did.
1120
00:53:32,417 --> 00:53:36,667
POSTHUMA: I called
IndyStar and reported my story.
1121
00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:38,583
And so obviously
they knew Rachael well,
1122
00:53:38,667 --> 00:53:43,166
and I got to talk with Rachael
that first day that I found out.
1123
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:47,417
And she really spurred me on to
keep going to the next steps.
1124
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:48,959
Things developed pretty quickly.
1125
00:53:49,041 --> 00:53:51,041
Rachael Denhollander filed
her complaint
1126
00:53:51,125 --> 00:53:52,208
at the end of August
1127
00:53:52,291 --> 00:53:53,959
and by the end of September,
1128
00:53:54,041 --> 00:53:56,000
Larry Nassar had been fired
from Michigan State.
1129
00:53:56,083 --> 00:53:57,875
REPORTER 4: Michigan State
University Police say
1130
00:53:57,959 --> 00:54:00,000
about 50 women have now
come forward
1131
00:54:00,083 --> 00:54:02,208
accusing the former
MSU associate professor
1132
00:54:02,291 --> 00:54:03,750
of criminal sexual conduct.
1133
00:54:03,834 --> 00:54:07,583
Michigan State University
Chief of Police, Jim Dunlap,
1134
00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:10,709
and I are announcing today
criminal charges.
1135
00:54:10,792 --> 00:54:12,250
O'BRIEN:
In November, he was charged
1136
00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:14,125
by the Attorney General
in Michigan
1137
00:54:14,208 --> 00:54:17,792
on state sex abuse charges
related to one victim,
1138
00:54:17,875 --> 00:54:19,500
who was not a gymnast
he treated.
1139
00:54:20,417 --> 00:54:23,166
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1140
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,750
POSTHUMA: The first time
he got put in jail,
1141
00:54:30,834 --> 00:54:32,625
he bailed himself out
for a million dollars.
1142
00:54:32,709 --> 00:54:36,709
He was a free citizen.
He's walking around town,
1143
00:54:36,792 --> 00:54:40,333
still trying to be, um,
part of the council
1144
00:54:40,417 --> 00:54:44,208
for Holt High School.
It's dividing the whole town.
1145
00:54:44,291 --> 00:54:45,917
I had people I talked to
on the phone,
1146
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,583
that couldn't even speak because
1147
00:54:47,667 --> 00:54:50,250
they were best friends
with Nassar's wife.
1148
00:54:50,333 --> 00:54:54,125
The Twistars community
is behind him 100 percent.
1149
00:54:54,208 --> 00:54:56,750
And I have known him
before he even went
1150
00:54:56,834 --> 00:55:00,291
to medical school.
And everything he's ever done
1151
00:55:00,375 --> 00:55:03,208
for gymnastics and everything
I've ever seen him do
1152
00:55:03,291 --> 00:55:06,583
has been nothing
but caring and sincere.
1153
00:55:06,667 --> 00:55:09,625
There are hundreds of people
that support him 100 percent.
1154
00:55:09,709 --> 00:55:11,792
We have received
countless emails
1155
00:55:11,875 --> 00:55:14,625
and communications
from other doctors, physicians,
1156
00:55:14,709 --> 00:55:18,041
physical therapists,
ex-patients,
1157
00:55:18,125 --> 00:55:20,542
ex-coworkers supporting him.
1158
00:55:20,625 --> 00:55:22,250
There's no doubt
he has a ton of support.
1159
00:55:22,333 --> 00:55:25,166
I couldn't even go on Facebook
because people from my childhood
1160
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:28,250
were saying things
against me, essentially.
1161
00:55:28,333 --> 00:55:30,125
Just decided to click
on the comments.
1162
00:55:30,208 --> 00:55:32,625
"Oh, they're lying," or "They're
just in it for the money,"
1163
00:55:32,709 --> 00:55:34,583
or, "Oh, they should have known
that happened."
1164
00:55:34,667 --> 00:55:38,792
There's all these
weird emotions, you know,
1165
00:55:38,875 --> 00:55:40,792
at the beginning
of September 2016,
1166
00:55:40,875 --> 00:55:44,583
until the porn stuff came out
and then everyone silenced.
1167
00:55:44,667 --> 00:55:46,500
SIMON SHAYKHET:
...FBI agents saying they found
1168
00:55:46,583 --> 00:55:50,500
at least 37,000 thousand images
and videos of child pornography
1169
00:55:50,583 --> 00:55:53,667
on hard drives belonging
to Dr. Larry Nassar.
1170
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:55,625
They were seized
during a recent search
1171
00:55:55,709 --> 00:55:58,792
of the former MSU doctor's home
in Holt.
1172
00:55:58,875 --> 00:56:02,667
I represented Dr. Nassar
in his criminal matters
1173
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:04,208
in Michigan
and in federal court.
1174
00:56:04,291 --> 00:56:07,458
I believe law enforcement
said there were 37,000
1175
00:56:07,542 --> 00:56:09,792
or more than 37,000 images.
1176
00:56:09,875 --> 00:56:14,083
It sounds like a high volume
to people who are not familiar
1177
00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:15,834
with these cases,
but in all honestly,
1178
00:56:15,917 --> 00:56:17,083
it's not a high volume.
1179
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,333
It makes me want to vomit.
1180
00:56:20,417 --> 00:56:23,083
Were some of those pictures
some of these gymnasts
1181
00:56:23,166 --> 00:56:24,375
and some of his patients,
1182
00:56:24,458 --> 00:56:26,291
some people that he saw
at his house?
1183
00:56:26,375 --> 00:56:27,625
Quite possibly so.
1184
00:56:27,709 --> 00:56:29,792
I mean, I cared that
that was found,
1185
00:56:29,875 --> 00:56:31,208
but what I mostly cared about,
1186
00:56:31,291 --> 00:56:32,875
that he was in prison
without bail.
1187
00:56:32,959 --> 00:56:36,542
Bond was revoked and Dr. Nassar
was, uh, locked up in jail.
1188
00:56:36,625 --> 00:56:39,375
And so, it became more difficult
in terms of,
1189
00:56:39,458 --> 00:56:40,959
you know, defending.
1190
00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,375
INTERVIEWER: There was
no real way to mount a defense
1191
00:56:43,458 --> 00:56:45,500
in the-- with the child porn.
1192
00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:48,458
I can't answer that.
1193
00:56:50,375 --> 00:56:52,417
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1194
00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,333
O'BRIEN: There was no more
reasonable doubt
1195
00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:03,834
about this anymore.
And USA Gymnastics
1196
00:57:03,917 --> 00:57:07,500
starts realizing this is not
going to get better quickly.
1197
00:57:07,583 --> 00:57:10,417
The US Olympic Committee's board
is recommending
1198
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,959
that USA Gymnastics president,
Steve Penny, resign.
1199
00:57:15,041 --> 00:57:16,583
O'BRIEN:
Steve Penny lost his job,
1200
00:57:16,667 --> 00:57:19,917
but he got a roughly
one-million-dollar payout.
1201
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,041
Then fall of 2017 was when
the Harvey Weinstein allegations
1202
00:57:24,125 --> 00:57:27,417
came out and we were
in the full throes
1203
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:29,417
of the "Me Too" movement.
1204
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:31,959
McKayla Maroney,
the gold medal Olympic gymnast.
1205
00:57:32,041 --> 00:57:35,000
Maroney is now coming forward
to say that she was abused
1206
00:57:35,083 --> 00:57:38,000
by the former doctor
for Team USA.
1207
00:57:38,083 --> 00:57:41,583
Olympic gymnast, Aly Raisman,
said she is among
1208
00:57:41,667 --> 00:57:43,917
the young women sexually abused
1209
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,875
by a former physician
with USA Gymnastics.
1210
00:57:46,959 --> 00:57:49,250
Four-time Olympic gold medalist
Simone Biles
1211
00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:50,750
says she was sexually abused
1212
00:57:50,834 --> 00:57:53,041
by a former USA Gymnastics
team doctor.
1213
00:57:53,125 --> 00:57:55,875
She posted about it on Twitter
yesterday saying this,
1214
00:57:55,959 --> 00:57:58,875
"I am not afraid
to tell my story anymore."
1215
00:57:58,959 --> 00:58:02,792
These are some of the most
cherished, celebrated athletes
1216
00:58:02,875 --> 00:58:06,166
in America, in the world.
And they're coming forward
1217
00:58:06,250 --> 00:58:08,250
and saying,
"This also happened to me.
1218
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:11,250
We were also abused,
and right under the noses
1219
00:58:11,333 --> 00:58:14,166
of the US Olympic Committee,
USA Gymnastics,
1220
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:16,166
and the American public.
This was happening
1221
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:21,625
while we were competing for you
in London and before then."
1222
00:58:21,709 --> 00:58:24,250
Their public coming forward,
I think,
1223
00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:25,917
the importance of that
can't be overstated.
1224
00:58:26,875 --> 00:58:30,083
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1225
00:58:41,709 --> 00:58:42,875
BAILIFF: All rise.
1226
00:58:46,166 --> 00:58:48,000
JUDGE ROSEMARIE AQUILINA:
Thank you. You may be seated.
1227
00:58:48,083 --> 00:58:50,542
The attorneys asked
if I would take a plea,
1228
00:58:50,625 --> 00:58:51,959
and I advised, "That's fine,
1229
00:58:52,041 --> 00:58:53,542
but I'm going to let
everybody talk.
1230
00:58:53,625 --> 00:58:56,125
Because he harmed
so many, not just the girls,
1231
00:58:56,208 --> 00:58:58,875
but everybody
who touches this case."
1232
00:58:58,959 --> 00:59:03,041
Victims will be allowed
to speak,
1233
00:59:03,125 --> 00:59:06,792
and we'll continue until all
victims have had an opportunity.
1234
00:59:06,875 --> 00:59:08,625
POSTHUMA: When the opportunity
posed for us
1235
00:59:08,709 --> 00:59:12,458
to do our impact statements,
I was thankfully at a place
1236
00:59:12,542 --> 00:59:15,709
where I knew that you don't need
to be shameful
1237
00:59:15,792 --> 00:59:18,083
'cause it wasn't your fault,
and you don't need to live
1238
00:59:18,166 --> 00:59:19,458
in that darkness anymore.
1239
00:59:21,375 --> 00:59:24,291
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1240
00:59:33,375 --> 00:59:35,667
SMITH: You know, the day
of court, my alarm went off,
1241
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:38,417
and I have never been
in such a panic.
1242
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:42,208
Like, I felt like I was falling
off a cliff when I woke up.
1243
00:59:42,291 --> 00:59:45,458
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1244
00:59:48,583 --> 00:59:50,542
There were so many people
in there
1245
00:59:50,625 --> 00:59:53,792
that were so heavily impacted
by what happened.
1246
00:59:53,875 --> 00:59:56,250
SMITH: Every time a door opened,
we were all-- (GASPS)
1247
00:59:56,333 --> 00:59:57,792
You know?
Like, I felt that tension
1248
00:59:57,875 --> 01:00:00,333
and I felt everyone's eyes go
to the door immediately.
1249
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:03,875
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1250
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,583
The first victim
will be publicly identified.
1251
01:00:09,667 --> 01:00:12,000
-Miss Kyle Stephens.
-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1252
01:00:13,917 --> 01:00:15,542
KYLE STEPHENS: Good morning.
1253
01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:17,083
Up until this point,
1254
01:00:17,166 --> 01:00:20,500
I've been known as Victim ZA,
or family friend.
1255
01:00:20,583 --> 01:00:22,417
I was the first to testify
in this case
1256
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:24,542
and, wary of the attention
that could come with that,
1257
01:00:24,625 --> 01:00:26,875
I asked for complete anonymity.
1258
01:00:26,959 --> 01:00:28,750
I'm addressing you
publicly today
1259
01:00:28,834 --> 01:00:31,750
as a final step
and statement to myself
1260
01:00:31,834 --> 01:00:35,083
that I have nothing
to be ashamed of.
1261
01:00:35,166 --> 01:00:37,333
My parents had become
close friends with Larry
1262
01:00:37,417 --> 01:00:40,375
and his wife, Stephanie.
It was during this time--
1263
01:00:40,458 --> 01:00:42,667
I estimate I was approximately
six years old--
1264
01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:46,166
that Larry Nassar
began to sexually abuse me.
1265
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:49,083
He first exposed his penis to me
in a dark boiler room
1266
01:00:49,166 --> 01:00:50,917
in the basement of his home.
1267
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,125
He told me,
"If you ever want to see it,
1268
01:00:53,208 --> 01:00:54,709
all you have to do is ask."
1269
01:00:56,291 --> 01:00:57,917
Let me remind you
of the interests
1270
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,875
of a six-year-old girl.
1271
01:00:59,959 --> 01:01:03,125
My favorite TV show was
Clifford The Big Red Dog
1272
01:01:03,208 --> 01:01:06,458
and my favorite book
was Junie B. Jones.
1273
01:01:06,542 --> 01:01:08,667
I could not do
a multiplication problem
1274
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:11,458
and still had not lost
all my baby teeth.
1275
01:01:11,542 --> 01:01:15,125
Someone of this maturity level
should not be sexually active,
1276
01:01:15,208 --> 01:01:18,333
but I was.
Without my knowledge or consent,
1277
01:01:18,417 --> 01:01:20,375
I had engaged
in my first sexual experience
1278
01:01:20,458 --> 01:01:24,041
by kindergarten.
And it progressed from exposure
1279
01:01:24,125 --> 01:01:28,333
to masturbating in front of me
while playing hide-and-go-seek,
1280
01:01:28,417 --> 01:01:31,000
rubbing his bare penis
on my bare feet,
1281
01:01:31,083 --> 01:01:33,583
and penetrating my vagina
with his fingers.
1282
01:01:36,291 --> 01:01:39,458
It took a friend confiding
the details of her sexual abuse
1283
01:01:39,542 --> 01:01:42,875
for me to realize
that something was wrong.
1284
01:01:42,959 --> 01:01:45,208
I was 12 years old
when I told my parents,
1285
01:01:45,291 --> 01:01:49,000
"When Larry rubs my feet,
he uses his penis."
1286
01:01:49,083 --> 01:01:53,375
My parents confronted him,
and he denied any such action.
1287
01:01:53,458 --> 01:01:56,458
Due to complex details
that I won't get into here,
1288
01:01:58,041 --> 01:02:00,625
my parents chose
to believe Larry Nassar over me.
1289
01:02:02,333 --> 01:02:05,041
I spent the years
between 12 and 18
1290
01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:08,417
avoiding and detaching
from my family.
1291
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:12,875
To my father, someone who makes
such heinous false accusations
1292
01:02:12,959 --> 01:02:14,458
is the worst type of person.
1293
01:02:17,125 --> 01:02:19,667
His belief that I had lied
seeped into the foundation
1294
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:23,291
of our relationship. Every time
we got into a fight,
1295
01:02:25,083 --> 01:02:27,834
he would tell me, "You need
to apologize to Larry."
1296
01:02:32,166 --> 01:02:35,000
It wasn't until I was about
to leave for college
1297
01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:37,542
that I took another chance
at clearing my name.
1298
01:02:39,625 --> 01:02:41,750
Larry Nassar's actions
had already caused me
1299
01:02:41,834 --> 01:02:46,917
significant anguish, but I hurt
worse as I watched my father
1300
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,792
realize what he had put me
through.
1301
01:02:51,583 --> 01:02:53,583
My father and I did our best
to patch up
1302
01:02:53,667 --> 01:02:54,834
our tattered relationship
1303
01:02:54,917 --> 01:02:57,667
before he committed suicide
in 2016.
1304
01:03:03,959 --> 01:03:06,291
AQUILINA:
It was very painful.
1305
01:03:09,125 --> 01:03:10,959
You could see it in their face.
1306
01:03:11,834 --> 01:03:14,125
People were shaking, crying...
1307
01:03:15,667 --> 01:03:17,667
just at the sight of Nassar.
1308
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:21,166
JORDYN WIEBER: I thought
that training for the Olympics
1309
01:03:21,250 --> 01:03:24,250
would be the hardest thing
that I would ever have to do.
1310
01:03:24,333 --> 01:03:27,166
But in fact, the hardest thing
I've ever had to do
1311
01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:30,667
is process that I'm a victim
of Larry Nassar.
1312
01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:34,667
As I listened,
I started getting angry,
1313
01:03:34,750 --> 01:03:36,792
which I didn't want
to get angry.
1314
01:03:36,875 --> 01:03:38,291
When the proceedings started,
1315
01:03:38,375 --> 01:03:40,166
it was just like
any other court hearing.
1316
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:42,125
And really what happened
is every day,
1317
01:03:42,208 --> 01:03:44,250
there were more and more girls
coming forward.
1318
01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:47,250
ANGELA POVILAITIS:
The next survivor you will hear
from is Amanda Thomashow.
1319
01:03:47,333 --> 01:03:49,750
-LINDSEY LEMKE: Lindsey Lemke.
-POVILAITIS: Jessica Smith,
1320
01:03:49,834 --> 01:03:52,291
and she has agreed
to be publicly identified.
1321
01:03:52,375 --> 01:03:55,625
Normally, there are not
people applauding.
1322
01:03:55,709 --> 01:03:58,250
(APPLAUSE)
1323
01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:01,709
People booing
the defense lawyers.
1324
01:04:01,792 --> 01:04:04,667
My office and my family
were getting death threats.
1325
01:04:04,750 --> 01:04:07,750
My co-counsel was getting
death threats on his children.
1326
01:04:09,917 --> 01:04:14,917
At times, I was very fearful
of just the vulnerability
1327
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,834
coming out into fighting.
1328
01:04:16,917 --> 01:04:19,542
It felt like you were really
a part of a mob.
1329
01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:22,667
And it was just adding like
a constant fuel to a fire.
1330
01:04:22,750 --> 01:04:26,375
It's almost like that kind
of an explosion was inevitable.
1331
01:04:28,375 --> 01:04:30,208
REPORTER 5: Gymnastics doctor
who has admitted
1332
01:04:30,291 --> 01:04:31,959
to sexually assaulting
young girls,
1333
01:04:32,041 --> 01:04:33,500
claiming
it was medical treatment,
1334
01:04:33,583 --> 01:04:35,417
back in court today.
1335
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:39,125
Judge, I would ask you to,
as part of the sentencing,
1336
01:04:40,458 --> 01:04:42,041
to grant me five minutes
1337
01:04:42,125 --> 01:04:45,375
in a locked room
with this demon.
1338
01:04:45,458 --> 01:04:47,667
-I have given--
-Would you do that?
1339
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:49,041
JUDGE JANICE CUNNINGHAM:
1340
01:04:49,125 --> 01:04:50,709
-Yes or no?
-CUNNINGHAM:
1341
01:04:50,792 --> 01:04:53,250
-Would you give me one minute?
-(UNCOMFORTABLE CHUCKLES)
1342
01:04:54,125 --> 01:04:56,333
CUNNINGHAM:
1343
01:04:56,417 --> 01:04:59,000
-Well, I'm gonna have to just--
-(SURPRISED SHOUTS)
1344
01:05:03,333 --> 01:05:05,041
RANDALL MARGRAVES:
Let me at that son of a bitch.
1345
01:05:05,125 --> 01:05:06,542
OFFICER 2: I understand,
but stay down.
1346
01:05:06,625 --> 01:05:08,458
MARGRAVES: Give me one minute
with that bastard.
1347
01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:11,583
One minute.
1348
01:05:11,667 --> 01:05:14,375
OFFICER 2: Relax, sir. Relax.
Take it easy, buddy.
1349
01:05:14,458 --> 01:05:18,166
Just relax. 1, 2, 3.
1350
01:05:19,792 --> 01:05:21,750
What if this happened
to you guys' daughters?
1351
01:05:21,834 --> 01:05:24,250
-(WOMAN BREATHING HEAVILY)
-CUNNINGHAM: You can't do that.
1352
01:05:24,333 --> 01:05:25,959
You cannot behave like that.
1353
01:05:43,458 --> 01:05:45,125
"I'm very concerned...
1354
01:05:46,667 --> 01:05:50,542
about my ability to be able
to face witnesses
1355
01:05:50,625 --> 01:05:52,667
this next four days mentally."
1356
01:05:54,250 --> 01:05:57,333
The letter he wrote me
was all about him,
1357
01:05:57,417 --> 01:06:00,000
him wanting to be in control.
1358
01:06:00,083 --> 01:06:04,041
Sir, there's a few sentences
in here that concern me.
1359
01:06:06,709 --> 01:06:08,250
Your letter states,
1360
01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:11,166
"Now, Aquilina is having
a four-day...
1361
01:06:12,208 --> 01:06:15,709
sentencing media circus.
1362
01:06:15,792 --> 01:06:20,792
She wants me to sit
in the witness box next to her
1363
01:06:20,875 --> 01:06:23,583
for all four days
so the media cameras
1364
01:06:23,667 --> 01:06:27,208
-will be directed toward her."
-(CROWD CHUCKLES)
1365
01:06:29,333 --> 01:06:31,208
And the portions
I didn't want to read
1366
01:06:31,291 --> 01:06:36,750
is because he's actually listed
some names. Victim blaming.
1367
01:06:36,834 --> 01:06:40,792
I didn't want to read it
and then black out the names
1368
01:06:40,875 --> 01:06:43,333
because each girl is going
to put their name in there.
1369
01:06:43,417 --> 01:06:45,792
There's no good that's going
to come from reading
1370
01:06:45,875 --> 01:06:48,083
that whole letter,
which is why I sealed it.
1371
01:06:53,166 --> 01:06:56,667
INTERVIEWER: What was it like
for you to consider
1372
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:59,834
if you wanted to read
a statement in court?
1373
01:06:59,917 --> 01:07:02,625
CHELSEA ZERFAS: Um.
At first, I was kind of unsure
1374
01:07:02,709 --> 01:07:05,291
just because of being
in that courtroom
1375
01:07:05,375 --> 01:07:09,208
and having to face the person
who did all that stuff to me.
1376
01:07:09,291 --> 01:07:12,083
But at the same time,
I wanted to have a voice.
1377
01:07:13,959 --> 01:07:16,750
You manipulated me so much
that I didn't know
1378
01:07:16,834 --> 01:07:21,834
what was going on. Larry acted
as if he was a friend.
1379
01:07:21,917 --> 01:07:24,000
He would greet me
with a sickening smile
1380
01:07:24,083 --> 01:07:26,667
every time I saw him.
1381
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:29,792
I remember him liking my posts
on Instagram.
1382
01:07:29,875 --> 01:07:32,041
It's weird to think
that an older male doctor
1383
01:07:32,125 --> 01:07:35,208
was liking a little girl's posts
and commenting "Merry Christmas"
1384
01:07:35,291 --> 01:07:36,959
on Christmas morning.
1385
01:07:37,041 --> 01:07:38,834
I started to get anxiety
after seeing
1386
01:07:38,917 --> 01:07:40,834
all the news reports about him.
1387
01:07:40,917 --> 01:07:44,166
I felt like I couldn't breathe
and I would tremble in fear.
1388
01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:46,166
I have nightmares
about what happened
1389
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:47,875
and have troubles with sleeping.
1390
01:07:47,959 --> 01:07:50,041
(VOICE SHAKING)
I've been put on anxiety pills
1391
01:07:50,125 --> 01:07:52,583
just so I can function
throughout the day.
1392
01:07:52,667 --> 01:07:55,834
It's hard for me to trust people
because of you.
1393
01:07:55,917 --> 01:07:57,291
I get scared and uncomfortable
1394
01:07:57,375 --> 01:07:59,208
when I have to go
to the doctor's.
1395
01:07:59,291 --> 01:08:01,458
I get scared that
I will be taken advantage of
1396
01:08:01,542 --> 01:08:05,667
once again by another doctor,
just like you did.
1397
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:09,917
I've tried my best to gain back
the strength I once had.
1398
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,500
I am a survivor. Here I am today
facing my abuser.
1399
01:08:14,583 --> 01:08:18,875
I'm finally being heard.
I'm no longer hiding my story.
1400
01:08:18,959 --> 01:08:21,500
When it first started,
there were only about six
1401
01:08:21,583 --> 01:08:25,375
who were actually going
to come public with their name.
1402
01:08:25,458 --> 01:08:28,875
One girl empowered the next,
empowered the next.
1403
01:08:28,959 --> 01:08:31,834
ALY RAISMAN:
Your honor, I didn't think
I would be here today.
1404
01:08:31,917 --> 01:08:34,583
I was scared and nervous.
1405
01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:36,250
It wasn't
until I started watching
1406
01:08:36,333 --> 01:08:39,375
the impact statements
from the other brave survivors
1407
01:08:39,458 --> 01:08:43,250
that I realized I too
needed to be here.
1408
01:08:43,333 --> 01:08:45,875
I am also here to tell you
to your face, Larry,
1409
01:08:45,959 --> 01:08:48,417
that you have not taken
gymnastics away from me.
1410
01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:51,792
I love this sport, and that love
is stronger than the evil
1411
01:08:51,875 --> 01:08:54,458
that resides in you
and those who enabled you
1412
01:08:54,542 --> 01:08:56,458
to hurt many people.
1413
01:08:56,542 --> 01:09:00,250
Larry, you do realize now
that we, this group of women
1414
01:09:00,333 --> 01:09:03,792
you so heartlessly abused
over such a long period of time,
1415
01:09:03,875 --> 01:09:06,542
are now a force
and you are nothing?
1416
01:09:08,083 --> 01:09:11,834
You hear these statements
and, you know, they're so brave.
1417
01:09:11,917 --> 01:09:13,458
So, I wanted them to know, one,
1418
01:09:13,542 --> 01:09:15,041
I wanted the
little ones to know
1419
01:09:15,125 --> 01:09:18,000
that I was there for them
'cause I was older
1420
01:09:18,083 --> 01:09:21,166
and I do know him very well
and I wanted them to know
1421
01:09:21,250 --> 01:09:23,709
that I'll stand,
I'll stand with them.
1422
01:09:24,875 --> 01:09:26,083
If you will allow it,
1423
01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:28,166
I would like to address him
directly.
1424
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:30,000
AQUILINA: You may.
1425
01:09:30,083 --> 01:09:32,417
-(SOBS)
-AQUILINA: Take your time.
1426
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:35,041
HOMER: It's all right, sweetie.
1427
01:09:35,125 --> 01:09:38,583
-Wow.
-You're strong. You're strong.
1428
01:09:38,667 --> 01:09:40,542
GONCZAR: What have you done?
1429
01:09:42,792 --> 01:09:45,166
I look at these young girls here
and I told my mom
1430
01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:49,000
the hardest part for me
was to see how little they were.
1431
01:09:49,083 --> 01:09:51,750
She said to me,
"You were that little too,
1432
01:09:52,542 --> 01:09:53,792
if not younger."
1433
01:09:55,417 --> 01:09:59,542
I had to make an extremely
hard choice this week, Larry.
1434
01:09:59,625 --> 01:10:04,333
I had to choose whether continue
supporting you through this
1435
01:10:04,417 --> 01:10:07,250
or to support them, the girls.
1436
01:10:08,417 --> 01:10:10,458
I choose them, Larry.
1437
01:10:11,875 --> 01:10:15,208
I've known you basically
all of my life.
1438
01:10:15,291 --> 01:10:19,000
In fact,
I've known you 31 of 37 years.
1439
01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:22,625
I remember your wedding,
1440
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:27,667
thinking Stephanie was
the luckiest woman in the world.
1441
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:30,917
My heart hurts for her
and the kids every single day.
1442
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,125
Why lose everything
and everything that was good?
1443
01:10:34,208 --> 01:10:36,083
For what?
1444
01:10:36,166 --> 01:10:39,667
We literally loved you
like family
1445
01:10:41,625 --> 01:10:44,625
because we thought
you loved us back.
1446
01:10:47,291 --> 01:10:51,625
I choose to look you in the face
and tell you that you hurt us.
1447
01:10:52,959 --> 01:10:54,000
You hurt me,
1448
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,083
as I've had to realize
I was abused
1449
01:10:58,166 --> 01:10:59,834
for many years of my life.
1450
01:11:01,250 --> 01:11:05,000
And this, my old friend,
is because of you.
1451
01:11:07,834 --> 01:11:09,834
I don't know who you are now.
1452
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,834
Larry, I think you will be happy
to know
1453
01:11:13,917 --> 01:11:15,875
that I am
12 weeks pregnant today.
1454
01:11:17,166 --> 01:11:18,542
It's a little boy.
1455
01:11:21,834 --> 01:11:24,125
And I will do everything
for the rest of my life
1456
01:11:24,208 --> 01:11:26,458
to make sure that the yous
of this world
1457
01:11:26,542 --> 01:11:28,500
don't get to hurt
another one of us.
1458
01:11:31,041 --> 01:11:32,166
Goodbye, Larry.
1459
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:34,375
It's time for me
to close the door.
1460
01:11:37,375 --> 01:11:40,792
May God bless
your dark, broken soul.
1461
01:11:40,875 --> 01:11:42,208
AQUILINA: Thank you.
1462
01:11:58,834 --> 01:12:02,625
We are on our final
victim impact statement.
1463
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:07,041
I am so honored to let you know
that the next person
1464
01:12:07,125 --> 01:12:09,875
you will hear from
is Rachael Denhollander.
1465
01:12:11,458 --> 01:12:13,333
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1466
01:12:21,667 --> 01:12:24,458
How much is a little girl worth?
1467
01:12:25,834 --> 01:12:28,875
At 15, I believed
that the adults at MSU
1468
01:12:28,959 --> 01:12:31,208
surrounding Larry
would do the right thing,
1469
01:12:31,291 --> 01:12:33,333
and I was terribly wrong.
1470
01:12:33,417 --> 01:12:36,625
You play word games,
saying you didn't know
1471
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:38,000
because no one believed
1472
01:12:38,083 --> 01:12:39,959
because these teenagers
didn't report it
1473
01:12:40,041 --> 01:12:41,583
to the right official.
1474
01:12:41,667 --> 01:12:44,709
And so, I am asking point-blank.
When Kathie Klages humiliated
1475
01:12:44,792 --> 01:12:47,041
Larissa Boyce
and waved the report form
1476
01:12:47,125 --> 01:12:49,709
in front of her, telling her
there would be consequences
1477
01:12:49,792 --> 01:12:51,875
if she reported,
is this the right way
1478
01:12:51,959 --> 01:12:53,375
or the wrong way?
1479
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,792
When Amanda Thomashow reported
to the Title IX office
1480
01:12:57,875 --> 01:13:00,875
and Larry was allowed
to hand-pick the four colleagues
1481
01:13:00,959 --> 01:13:03,625
to determine whether
his treatment was legitimate,
1482
01:13:03,709 --> 01:13:06,625
was it the right way
or the wrong way
1483
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:10,417
to handle a report of sexual
assault on MSU's campus?
1484
01:13:12,125 --> 01:13:13,625
No one wanted to listen.
1485
01:13:14,875 --> 01:13:17,500
I ask that you hand down
a sentence that tells us
1486
01:13:17,583 --> 01:13:19,625
that what was done to us
matters.
1487
01:13:19,709 --> 01:13:22,083
Larry said in court
that he hoped education
1488
01:13:22,166 --> 01:13:24,333
and learning would happen.
1489
01:13:24,417 --> 01:13:26,125
This is what we need to learn.
1490
01:13:27,125 --> 01:13:29,333
Look around the courtroom.
1491
01:13:29,417 --> 01:13:33,333
Remember what you have witnessed
these past seven days,
1492
01:13:33,417 --> 01:13:36,542
and let it be a warning
to us all.
1493
01:13:36,625 --> 01:13:40,208
When the adults in authority
do not respond properly
1494
01:13:40,291 --> 01:13:43,208
to disclosures
of sexual assault,
1495
01:13:43,291 --> 01:13:45,250
when institutions
create a culture
1496
01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:48,333
where a predator
can flourish unafraid.
1497
01:13:49,208 --> 01:13:51,917
This is what it looks like.
1498
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,208
It looks like a courtroom
full of survivors
1499
01:13:54,291 --> 01:13:56,917
who carry deep wounds,
1500
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,417
women and girls who carry scars
that will never fully heal,
1501
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:02,834
but who have banded together
to fight for themselves
1502
01:14:02,917 --> 01:14:05,750
because no one
else would do it.
1503
01:14:05,834 --> 01:14:08,500
Women and girls who have made
the choice to place the guilt
1504
01:14:08,583 --> 01:14:13,458
and shame on the only person
to whom it belongs, the abuser.
1505
01:14:13,542 --> 01:14:16,208
But may the horror
expressed in this courtroom
1506
01:14:16,291 --> 01:14:20,083
over the last seven days
be motivation for anyone
1507
01:14:20,166 --> 01:14:22,917
and everyone,
no matter the context,
1508
01:14:23,041 --> 01:14:25,250
to take responsibility
if they have erred
1509
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:27,250
in protecting a child.
1510
01:14:27,333 --> 01:14:29,959
To understand
the incredible failures
1511
01:14:30,041 --> 01:14:31,542
that led to this week,
1512
01:14:31,625 --> 01:14:35,750
and to do it better
the next time.
1513
01:14:35,834 --> 01:14:39,083
Because everything is what
these survivors are worth.
1514
01:14:39,166 --> 01:14:41,041
-Thank you.
-AQUILINA: Thank you.
1515
01:14:41,125 --> 01:14:46,959
You built an army of survivors
and you are a five-star general.
1516
01:14:47,041 --> 01:14:48,208
(LAUGHTER)
1517
01:14:49,125 --> 01:14:51,125
You made all of this happen.
1518
01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:54,208
You made
all these voices matter.
1519
01:14:54,291 --> 01:14:55,542
Thank you.
1520
01:14:56,208 --> 01:14:57,375
Thank you.
1521
01:15:01,959 --> 01:15:04,834
(APPLAUSE)
1522
01:15:16,583 --> 01:15:18,542
MAN: Larry wants to address
the court as well.
1523
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,125
AQUILINA: What would you
like me to know?
1524
01:15:22,208 --> 01:15:23,875
It's just a short statement.
1525
01:15:23,959 --> 01:15:28,291
Um. Your words
these past several days,
1526
01:15:28,375 --> 01:15:32,208
your words, your words,
1527
01:15:32,291 --> 01:15:35,625
have had a significant
emotional effect on myself
1528
01:15:35,709 --> 01:15:38,166
and have shaken me to my core.
1529
01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:40,625
I also recognize
that what I am feeling
1530
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:44,875
pales in comparison
to the pain, trauma,
1531
01:15:44,959 --> 01:15:49,166
and emotional destruction
that all of you are feeling.
1532
01:15:50,625 --> 01:15:53,542
There are no words
that can describe
1533
01:15:53,625 --> 01:15:57,250
the depth and breadth
of how sorry I am
1534
01:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,000
for what has occurred.
1535
01:15:59,083 --> 01:16:02,083
BOYCE: He heard all the cries,
so he turned around again
1536
01:16:02,166 --> 01:16:04,875
and more and more girls
started crying.
1537
01:16:04,959 --> 01:16:07,834
And then the judge realized
what he was doing.
1538
01:16:07,917 --> 01:16:10,125
An acceptable apology...
1539
01:16:10,208 --> 01:16:12,125
AQUILINA: Sir, you need to stay
at the microphone
1540
01:16:12,208 --> 01:16:13,375
or they can't hear you.
1541
01:16:13,458 --> 01:16:14,709
An acceptable apology
to all of you
1542
01:16:14,792 --> 01:16:17,709
is impossible
to write and convey.
1543
01:16:17,792 --> 01:16:21,417
I will carry your words with me
for the rest of my days.
1544
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:22,959
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1545
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:50,375
"The media convinced them
1546
01:16:50,458 --> 01:16:53,208
that everything I did
was wrong and bad.
1547
01:16:54,291 --> 01:16:57,208
They feel I broke their trust.
1548
01:16:57,291 --> 01:17:01,000
Hell hath no fury
like a woman scorned."
1549
01:17:01,083 --> 01:17:02,291
(CROWD GROANS)
1550
01:17:02,375 --> 01:17:04,458
His letter fired me up so much.
1551
01:17:04,542 --> 01:17:06,750
"Hell hath no fury
like a woman scorned."
1552
01:17:06,834 --> 01:17:10,542
I mean, he's not comprehending
the damage that he has done.
1553
01:17:10,625 --> 01:17:16,500
That line really says it all.
He has no respect for women.
1554
01:17:16,583 --> 01:17:18,667
BOYCE: I think it helped
hearing that, actually,
1555
01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,333
because I-- there's been
many times where I felt bad
1556
01:17:22,417 --> 01:17:26,959
for him because we had
this relationship with him.
1557
01:17:27,041 --> 01:17:29,709
We, like, we really loved him,
1558
01:17:29,792 --> 01:17:32,625
and looked up to him,
and cared about him.
1559
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:38,375
And so, it was good to hear
those words that he wrote
1560
01:17:38,458 --> 01:17:42,667
because it made me f--
not feel bad for him anymore.
1561
01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:45,875
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1562
01:17:53,291 --> 01:17:55,000
Would you like to withdraw
your plea?
1563
01:17:55,083 --> 01:17:56,291
NASSAR: No, your honor.
1564
01:17:58,417 --> 01:18:00,417
AQUILINA: Because
you are guilty, aren't you?
1565
01:18:03,250 --> 01:18:04,583
Are you guilty, sir?
1566
01:18:33,208 --> 01:18:36,583
If I thought he was worthy
of being rehabilitated,
1567
01:18:36,667 --> 01:18:39,291
I would have sentenced him
to the 25 years.
1568
01:18:40,959 --> 01:18:43,000
Based on his comments
to the girls,
1569
01:18:43,083 --> 01:18:45,083
he was not remorseful.
1570
01:18:45,166 --> 01:18:47,500
He is a true predator.
1571
01:18:47,583 --> 01:18:49,625
That's all for the record.
1572
01:18:49,709 --> 01:18:50,959
BAILIFF: All rise.
1573
01:18:56,792 --> 01:18:59,291
(APPLAUSE)
1574
01:19:13,166 --> 01:19:14,417
SMITH: You know,
1575
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:17,083
I really expected
to feel a lot better,
1576
01:19:17,166 --> 01:19:18,542
if I'm being honest.
1577
01:19:18,625 --> 01:19:20,750
Felt like I was going
to walk out and be like,
1578
01:19:20,834 --> 01:19:22,375
"Great, things are better now."
1579
01:19:22,458 --> 01:19:25,333
You know, and people are like
"It's over!" It's not over.
1580
01:19:28,375 --> 01:19:31,709
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1581
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:37,291
MORGAN MCCAUL:
While it was very empowering
1582
01:19:37,375 --> 01:19:38,625
to watch these women,
1583
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:39,917
they're taking back their voice
1584
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,166
but they shouldn't
have ever had
1585
01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:45,125
to use it to say, "Me too."
1586
01:19:45,208 --> 01:19:47,333
Disclosing your name
and your face
1587
01:19:47,417 --> 01:19:49,917
along with your story
in this volume
1588
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,000
to be believed is a travesty.
1589
01:19:53,917 --> 01:19:58,291
HAMILTON: We need to deliver
on the promise to these victims
1590
01:19:58,375 --> 01:20:01,709
that the world will be better
because you came forward.
1591
01:20:03,166 --> 01:20:05,875
The "Me Too" movement
will be a success
1592
01:20:05,959 --> 01:20:09,709
if it turns
into social and legal change.
1593
01:20:09,792 --> 01:20:11,792
REPORTER 6: Is there any truth
that there's money
1594
01:20:11,875 --> 01:20:13,291
been put aside for counseling
1595
01:20:13,375 --> 01:20:14,792
-for these girls?
-Yes.
1596
01:20:14,875 --> 01:20:16,917
REPORTER 6: Have any
of the girls been contacted yet?
1597
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,458
They were supposed to be--
1598
01:20:18,542 --> 01:20:20,291
What about for those of us
who have already had counseling
1599
01:20:20,375 --> 01:20:22,417
but this is now a year
and a half later
1600
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:23,667
that you're doing this?
1601
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:26,125
The counseling fund,
if you read the--
1602
01:20:26,208 --> 01:20:28,083
the material
that was released publicly--
1603
01:20:28,166 --> 01:20:29,959
LEMKE: I would like
to hear it from you, personally.
1604
01:20:30,041 --> 01:20:31,500
Okay. Includes past expenses.
1605
01:20:34,208 --> 01:20:37,041
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1606
01:20:41,917 --> 01:20:43,625
Another former Michigan State
employee
1607
01:20:43,709 --> 01:20:45,417
is facing criminal charges
tonight.
1608
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:47,792
The State Attorney General's
Office is charging
1609
01:20:47,875 --> 01:20:50,417
former MSU Gymnastics coach,
Kathie Klages,
1610
01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:52,875
with two counts of lying
to investigators.
1611
01:20:52,959 --> 01:20:54,542
REPORTER 7:
As of today, there have been
1612
01:20:54,625 --> 01:20:56,250
three former MSU employees
1613
01:20:56,333 --> 01:20:59,166
charged
during MSU's investigation.
1614
01:20:59,250 --> 01:21:03,750
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1615
01:21:08,208 --> 01:21:10,333
REPORTER 8: Young gymnasts
who say they were victimized
1616
01:21:10,417 --> 01:21:13,166
by Larry Nassar
are now advocating for changes
1617
01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:15,458
to Michigan laws
to make it easier
1618
01:21:15,542 --> 01:21:17,417
to hold abuse enablers
accountable.
1619
01:21:23,291 --> 01:21:25,959
INTERVIEWER: What can be done
so this does not happen?
1620
01:21:26,041 --> 01:21:27,750
You have to start from scratch.
1621
01:21:27,834 --> 01:21:30,875
You have to create
a whole new governing body,
1622
01:21:30,959 --> 01:21:32,792
new USA Gymnastics.
1623
01:21:32,875 --> 01:21:34,542
You need to move it out
of Indianapolis.
1624
01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:38,125
You need to bring people in that
know all sides of the sport,
1625
01:21:38,208 --> 01:21:40,959
and including, you know,
treating people right.
1626
01:21:52,417 --> 01:21:55,041
There is a sense that slowly
but surely,
1627
01:21:55,125 --> 01:21:56,500
progress is being made
1628
01:21:56,583 --> 01:21:59,083
and people in positions
of authority
1629
01:21:59,166 --> 01:22:01,583
are having to answer
for what happened.
1630
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,625
More fallout
from the Larry Nassar scandal.
1631
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:08,583
USA Gymnastics has suspended
1632
01:22:08,667 --> 01:22:10,834
the owner of Twistars,
John Geddert.
1633
01:22:18,875 --> 01:22:22,583
We demonize the Nassars
and the Sanduskys,
1634
01:22:22,667 --> 01:22:24,375
uh, and they've done
horrible things.
1635
01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:26,333
But it's the ones
who covered it up
1636
01:22:26,417 --> 01:22:29,500
who made it worse
and created more victims.
1637
01:22:30,917 --> 01:22:33,083
SEN. JERRY MORAN: Mr. Penny.
Uh, let me ask you this.
1638
01:22:33,166 --> 01:22:35,709
Uh, after being informed
about the abuse,
1639
01:22:35,792 --> 01:22:38,750
my understanding is that, uh,
you waited 41 days
1640
01:22:38,834 --> 01:22:41,083
to contact law enforcement.
Is that correct?
1641
01:22:41,166 --> 01:22:43,709
I would like
to answer your question.
1642
01:22:43,792 --> 01:22:45,583
However, I've been instructed
by my attorney
1643
01:22:45,667 --> 01:22:47,500
to assert my rights
under the 5th Amendment.
1644
01:22:47,583 --> 01:22:49,625
You were part
of an organization,
1645
01:22:49,709 --> 01:22:51,583
United States Gymnastics.
1646
01:22:51,667 --> 01:22:54,291
Don't you feel you have
a responsibility to the athletes
1647
01:22:54,375 --> 01:22:57,083
who are here today and to others
around the country?
1648
01:22:58,041 --> 01:22:59,291
Respectfully, Senator,
1649
01:22:59,375 --> 01:23:01,041
I've been instructed
by my attorney
1650
01:23:01,125 --> 01:23:02,792
to assert my rights
under the 5th Amendment
1651
01:23:02,875 --> 01:23:04,709
and decline
to answer your question.
1652
01:23:06,583 --> 01:23:09,750
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1653
01:23:21,959 --> 01:23:23,250
What we really have to do
1654
01:23:23,333 --> 01:23:25,458
is we have to start listening
to our kids.
1655
01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:28,834
If a child says to you
they don't like
1656
01:23:28,917 --> 01:23:32,041
how someone touched them,
you don't say,
1657
01:23:32,125 --> 01:23:35,250
"But that's one of the nicest
people I ever met."
1658
01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:39,625
You sit down and you say,
"Why? What was wrong?"
1659
01:23:42,625 --> 01:23:45,625
INTERVIEWER: Would you let
your daughter do gymnastics?
1660
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:47,375
BOYCE: I have mixed emotions.
1661
01:23:48,250 --> 01:23:49,875
I feel hopeful that...
1662
01:23:51,834 --> 01:23:53,792
changes, positive changes,
are being made
1663
01:23:53,875 --> 01:23:57,917
so it will be a better sport
for her... eventually.
1664
01:23:59,583 --> 01:24:02,834
MOCEANU: The sport is beautiful
It's a wonderful sport.
1665
01:24:02,917 --> 01:24:04,166
My child does it.
1666
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:06,000
I didn't yank him out
just because of this.
1667
01:24:06,083 --> 01:24:09,542
No. I felt empowered that, hey,
the sport's going to be better
1668
01:24:09,625 --> 01:24:12,041
for a future generation
of children, right,
1669
01:24:12,125 --> 01:24:14,500
because we stood up
and we did something about it
1670
01:24:14,583 --> 01:24:16,458
and we're actually
being heard now.
1671
01:24:17,291 --> 01:24:19,083
(CHILDREN CHATTER)
1672
01:24:19,166 --> 01:24:22,041
ZERFAS: I would see,
like, my old teammates posting,
1673
01:24:22,125 --> 01:24:26,208
and I'd see all these things
about gymnastics
1674
01:24:26,291 --> 01:24:30,208
and I really missed it,
and one day I told my mom
1675
01:24:30,291 --> 01:24:32,250
that I really wanted
to do it again.
1676
01:24:32,333 --> 01:24:34,917
So, it's where I'm at now.
1677
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,333
How does that look?
1678
01:24:36,417 --> 01:24:38,000
That looks good.
1679
01:24:38,083 --> 01:24:40,208
COACH: Okay. I mean, why don't
you try it? You try a couple.
1680
01:24:40,291 --> 01:24:42,333
-and then if it needs to be
moved, I'm happy to move it.
-ZERFAS: Okay.
1681
01:24:42,417 --> 01:24:43,750
-COACH: Does that work?
-ZERFAS: Yeah.
1682
01:24:43,834 --> 01:24:46,500
ZERFAS: I did feel
that I'm finally able
1683
01:24:46,583 --> 01:24:47,709
to start my life again
1684
01:24:47,792 --> 01:24:50,750
and not have to worry about him
1685
01:24:50,834 --> 01:24:53,542
ever doing anything
wrong again.
1686
01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:58,041
And being back, I...
1687
01:24:58,125 --> 01:25:02,208
I was able to build up
that confidence I once had,
1688
01:25:02,291 --> 01:25:07,333
and I'm just able
to do what I love.
1689
01:25:09,166 --> 01:25:11,625
♪ ("I'M STILL HERE"
BY SIA PLAYS) ♪
1690
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:17,166
♪ I'm winning the war now ♪
1691
01:25:18,458 --> 01:25:22,625
♪ I'm winning it all now ♪
1692
01:25:23,959 --> 01:25:28,667
♪ Watch tears
While they fall down ♪
1693
01:25:29,667 --> 01:25:34,041
♪ I'm winning the war now ♪
1694
01:25:35,458 --> 01:25:40,834
♪ I win against ego ♪
1695
01:25:40,917 --> 01:25:46,333
♪ Cast light
On the shadow's long ♪
1696
01:25:46,417 --> 01:25:52,083
♪ I'm winning from ego ♪
1697
01:25:52,166 --> 01:25:55,625
♪ I'm lighting
The long way home ♪
1698
01:25:55,709 --> 01:25:58,250
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1699
01:25:58,333 --> 01:26:01,166
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1700
01:26:01,250 --> 01:26:03,792
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1701
01:26:03,875 --> 01:26:06,667
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1702
01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:09,417
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1703
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:12,375
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1704
01:26:12,458 --> 01:26:15,208
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1705
01:26:15,291 --> 01:26:18,000
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1706
01:26:18,083 --> 01:26:19,834
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1707
01:26:19,917 --> 01:26:21,291
♪ It's haunted me ♪
1708
01:26:21,375 --> 01:26:23,667
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1709
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:26,458
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1710
01:26:26,542 --> 01:26:29,291
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1711
01:26:29,375 --> 01:26:32,041
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1712
01:26:32,125 --> 01:26:34,917
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1713
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,709
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1714
01:26:37,792 --> 01:26:40,667
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1715
01:26:40,750 --> 01:26:43,000
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1716
01:26:43,083 --> 01:26:48,500
♪ I'm fighting my ego ♪
1717
01:26:48,583 --> 01:26:54,250
♪ Lost youth,
Where did we go wrong? ♪
1718
01:26:54,333 --> 01:26:59,875
♪ I'm winning for me, though ♪
1719
01:26:59,959 --> 01:27:05,750
♪ I'm lighting
The long way home ♪
1720
01:27:05,834 --> 01:27:08,709
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1721
01:27:08,792 --> 01:27:11,667
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1722
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:14,375
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1723
01:27:14,458 --> 01:27:17,291
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1724
01:27:17,375 --> 01:27:20,041
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1725
01:27:20,125 --> 01:27:23,000
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1726
01:27:23,083 --> 01:27:25,750
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1727
01:27:25,834 --> 01:27:28,542
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1728
01:27:28,625 --> 01:27:30,208
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1729
01:27:30,291 --> 01:27:31,667
♪ It's haunted me ♪
1730
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:34,166
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1731
01:27:34,250 --> 01:27:36,875
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1732
01:27:36,959 --> 01:27:39,917
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1733
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,625
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1734
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:45,625
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1735
01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:48,333
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1736
01:27:48,417 --> 01:27:51,250
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1737
01:27:51,333 --> 01:27:53,625
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1738
01:27:59,166 --> 01:28:02,166
♪ (MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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