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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 0 00:00:01,003 --> 00:00:03,830 Welcome back to a nagging see the future. 1 00:00:03,870 --> 00:00:06,469 I am the real concern, I'll be your host for 2 00:00:06,481 --> 00:00:09,208 this very exciting panel for our next session. 3 00:00:09,248 --> 00:00:12,109 Our panel discussion will be looking at the 4 00:00:12,121 --> 00:00:15,189 topic of academic careers outside of academia. 5 00:00:15,229 --> 00:00:19,217 The COVID pandemic has shown that the world needs researchers 6 00:00:19,229 --> 00:00:23,229 of the highest caliber to address the challenges we all face. 7 00:00:24,450 --> 00:00:28,409 To discuss this topic, we're going over to Sydney, Australia, where 8 00:00:28,421 --> 00:00:32,450 we have a panel of three very distinguished speakers Warwick Dawson. 9 00:00:33,811 --> 00:00:37,555 Miss Wong won. Miss Sarah Haigh. 10 00:00:37,595 --> 00:00:41,611 Warwick Dawson is the director of Knowledge Exchange and a division of 11 00:00:41,623 --> 00:00:45,595 research and enterprise at the University of New South Wales, Sydney, 12 00:00:47,651 --> 00:00:51,552 is responsible for knowledge, exchange and IP commercialization, 13 00:00:51,592 --> 00:00:56,526 with an emphasis on enabling and facilitating external partnerships 14 00:00:56,566 --> 00:01:00,440 and engagement within users to translate the university's excellent 15 00:01:00,452 --> 00:01:04,566 research outcomes into use for social progress and economic prosperity. 16 00:01:07,005 --> 00:01:11,680 Miss Warwick from the University of New South Wales is Dr Wan Wong, 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,560 head of the university's Twitch Innovation Precinct and conjoint 18 00:01:15,572 --> 00:01:19,720 senior lecturer in the School of Civil and Environmental Engineering, 19 00:01:20,975 --> 00:01:24,720 Wan as a research fellow in the Human S.W. Schools of 20 00:01:24,732 --> 00:01:28,975 Chemical Engineering in Civil and Environmental Engineering. 21 00:01:29,236 --> 00:01:31,665 She has completed her PhD at Moscow 22 00:01:31,677 --> 00:01:34,660 Center for Membrane Science and Technology, 23 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:38,856 UN S.W., and is a specialist in the design of membrane models 24 00:01:38,868 --> 00:01:42,700 and processes for water and wastewater treatment plants. 25 00:01:44,372 --> 00:01:49,679 Computational fluid dynamics. Modeling of membrane separation processes. 26 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,581 And diagnosis of various modes of water treatment plants. 27 00:01:53,621 --> 00:01:54,796 WOW. 28 00:01:54,836 --> 00:01:57,691 Wine has more than 15 years experience in 29 00:01:57,703 --> 00:02:01,184 the water industry in Australia, China and Europe, 30 00:02:01,224 --> 00:02:03,900 leading or managing many successful 31 00:02:03,912 --> 00:02:07,497 research projects with industry and government. 32 00:02:07,537 --> 00:02:11,611 In her current role, Wine is responsible for delivering the University 33 00:02:11,623 --> 00:02:15,537 of South Wales strategy research partnerships with Chinese industry 34 00:02:16,987 --> 00:02:23,054 and has managed more than 160 projects since 2016. 35 00:02:23,094 --> 00:02:27,281 Dr Sara Hay is research engagement director at the Faculty of Engineering 36 00:02:27,293 --> 00:02:31,094 and Information Technology at the University of Technology Sydney, 37 00:02:33,026 --> 00:02:37,234 where she leads the development of strategies to increase research 38 00:02:37,246 --> 00:02:41,026 funding from industry, government and grant funding bodies. 39 00:02:41,405 --> 00:02:45,178 Prior to this role, she was a research development manager 40 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:48,910 and served several postdoctoral research fellow positions 41 00:02:48,950 --> 00:02:53,018 at different engineering schools at the University of South Wales. 42 00:02:53,058 --> 00:02:56,223 She holds a PhD in nanotechnology from 43 00:02:56,235 --> 00:03:00,063 Nanyang University of Technology in Singapore. 44 00:03:00,103 --> 00:03:01,216 Wow. 45 00:03:01,256 --> 00:03:05,158 Please post any questions you may have for the panel in the Q&A box 46 00:03:05,170 --> 00:03:09,256 or responses to your questions will be available after the conference. 47 00:03:10,438 --> 00:03:14,208 In the official See the Future conference report, 48 00:03:14,248 --> 00:03:18,090 please use the chat facility to communicate with other conference 49 00:03:18,102 --> 00:03:22,248 delegates and to contact the see of future conference management team. 50 00:03:23,035 --> 00:03:26,909 So at this point, I'm going to turn it over to Mr Warwick Dawson 51 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:29,577 to this really phenomenal and very important 52 00:03:29,589 --> 00:03:32,229 panel where we're talking about clean water. 53 00:03:32,269 --> 00:03:34,427 Warwick over to you. 54 00:03:34,467 --> 00:03:36,759 Thank you so much, Daryl and colleagues and I go, 55 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:40,041 It's really great to be with you this afternoon 56 00:03:40,081 --> 00:03:44,182 and to share some of our perspectives on career pathways outside academia. 57 00:03:44,222 --> 00:03:45,847 So welcome, Yuan. Welcome, Sarah. 58 00:03:45,887 --> 00:03:48,071 Thank you so much for your time today. 59 00:03:48,111 --> 00:03:50,137 We'll dove straight into it. 60 00:03:50,177 --> 00:03:55,229 You maybe if you'd just tell me a little bit more about your current role. 61 00:03:55,269 --> 00:03:58,979 Briefly, what your main activities are and how long you've been doing it? 62 00:03:59,019 --> 00:04:00,923 Coincidence Warwick? 63 00:04:00,963 --> 00:04:05,840 So I'm the director of torch innovation present at the U.S. Embassy. 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,789 My job mainly is to identify industry partners 65 00:04:09,801 --> 00:04:13,722 that are interested in US subdues technologies 66 00:04:13,762 --> 00:04:17,371 and help US lobby researchers to collaborate with 67 00:04:17,383 --> 00:04:21,367 industries, scale up their ideas and the technologies. 68 00:04:21,407 --> 00:04:25,455 From laboratory scale to an industrial or commercial scale that can 69 00:04:25,467 --> 00:04:29,407 share and serve the community saw real world problems, et cetera. 70 00:04:33,434 --> 00:04:37,523 So I have been working on this role since 2016, so this year 71 00:04:37,535 --> 00:04:41,434 actually also marks the five year anniversary for my job. 72 00:04:43,449 --> 00:04:45,029 That's really great. Congratulations. 73 00:04:45,069 --> 00:04:46,944 And Sarah, briefly, what's your current 74 00:04:46,956 --> 00:04:49,078 role in and how long have you been doing it? 75 00:04:50,694 --> 00:04:53,399 Looks like I'm the director of research 76 00:04:53,411 --> 00:04:56,400 engagement in Faculty of India and its UTS, 77 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,856 and I need the development of the strategies that generate that. 78 00:04:59,896 --> 00:05:02,769 Increased volume in research, funding from 79 00:05:02,781 --> 00:05:05,934 industry governments and other funding bodies, 80 00:05:05,974 --> 00:05:09,843 and in particular, I work with researchers on a specific funding 81 00:05:09,855 --> 00:05:13,974 opportunities to support applicants to submit high quality proposal, 82 00:05:14,048 --> 00:05:17,311 review draft application and provide a strategic feedback 83 00:05:17,323 --> 00:05:20,146 to enhance the competitiveness of their proposal. 84 00:05:20,186 --> 00:05:24,077 And I have been in this role for about two years and eight months. 85 00:05:24,117 --> 00:05:25,170 Excellent. 86 00:05:25,210 --> 00:05:28,409 And I've had the pleasure of working in teams currently with Johan 87 00:05:28,421 --> 00:05:31,440 and previously with Sarah, so it's great to be together today. 88 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,134 And for myself, as Daryl introduced really the role 89 00:05:35,146 --> 00:05:38,954 of the team that I lead, which is knowledge exchange. 90 00:05:38,994 --> 00:05:42,956 It's really about connecting researchers and their expertize with external 91 00:05:42,968 --> 00:05:46,994 organizations so that together we can translate and transfer that knowledge 92 00:05:47,995 --> 00:05:50,423 into impact for the benefit of the broader community. 93 00:05:50,463 --> 00:05:51,966 And I've been in this role for four years. 94 00:05:51,990 --> 00:05:55,770 But altogether, working in leadership roles in university research 95 00:05:55,782 --> 00:05:59,178 management for 26 years, as well as four years in industry. 96 00:05:59,218 --> 00:06:03,151 So let's go back in time now, starting with you, Sarah. 97 00:06:03,191 --> 00:06:06,621 Where did you what did you study at university and where and 98 00:06:06,633 --> 00:06:10,187 what were your career aspirations back when you were studying? 99 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:15,253 I studied nanotechnology at Nanyang Technological University 100 00:06:15,265 --> 00:06:18,644 in Singapore, and like most of the researchers, I should say, 101 00:06:18,684 --> 00:06:22,832 I wanted to make a positive major impact in my field and I chose 102 00:06:22,844 --> 00:06:26,684 nanotechnology because it's a multidisciplinary field that, 103 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,826 in simple words, it is studies how properties of the smallest particles 104 00:06:30,838 --> 00:06:34,920 in the world can revolutionize and have a big impact in many applications. 105 00:06:38,325 --> 00:06:42,196 Go ahead and Yuan, what did you study in that way and what 106 00:06:42,208 --> 00:06:46,288 were your aspirations back in the day when you were studying? 107 00:06:46,328 --> 00:06:50,054 So I would say chemical engineer by training. 108 00:06:50,094 --> 00:06:53,942 I completed my benchmark engineering degree in Tianjin University in 109 00:06:53,954 --> 00:06:58,094 China, which actually ranked number one in chemical engineering in China. 110 00:06:58,476 --> 00:07:02,853 Then I completed my masters by research and the Ph.D. degrees 111 00:07:02,893 --> 00:07:06,848 both at the School of Chemical Engineering at the UN. Established 112 00:07:06,888 --> 00:07:10,836 but also I have a I got a graduate certificate on 113 00:07:10,848 --> 00:07:14,649 research, management and the commercialization, 114 00:07:14,689 --> 00:07:17,772 which was actually part of the Australian Commonwealth 115 00:07:17,784 --> 00:07:20,372 Governments Commercialization Training Scheme 116 00:07:20,412 --> 00:07:25,301 that provided to a Ph.D. student in STEM disciplines. 117 00:07:25,341 --> 00:07:29,632 So as you saw my starting pathway. 118 00:07:29,672 --> 00:07:34,786 So I actually wanted to be a research engineer, a team leader and director. 119 00:07:34,826 --> 00:07:41,496 Yeah, R&D, department of a world leading research institutions or leading company. 120 00:07:41,536 --> 00:07:45,410 And to do this, I need to have deep understandings 121 00:07:45,422 --> 00:07:49,536 on both technology front, but also management skills. 122 00:07:50,593 --> 00:07:54,768 Yeah, that's great, and that may not have worked out how you expected, 123 00:07:54,808 --> 00:07:56,718 but I'm sure that you used those skills that 124 00:07:56,730 --> 00:07:58,781 you learned in that certificate to good effect. 125 00:07:58,821 --> 00:08:00,513 So for myself, a little bit different. 126 00:08:00,553 --> 00:08:05,662 I studied commerce and law at U. A.W. back in the late 80s, 127 00:08:05,702 --> 00:08:09,341 and I didn't really know where that degree would lead me, 128 00:08:09,381 --> 00:08:12,595 but I thought that probably I'd end up in a 129 00:08:12,607 --> 00:08:15,686 company or in some business of some sort. 130 00:08:15,726 --> 00:08:21,909 I was very fortunate to secure some part time employment during my study, 131 00:08:21,949 --> 00:08:23,826 which actually helped me decide the 132 00:08:23,838 --> 00:08:26,305 jobs that I didn't want to do when I finished. 133 00:08:26,345 --> 00:08:30,169 So that in itself was of some value. 134 00:08:30,209 --> 00:08:34,172 So back to you, un, once you finished your study, what 135 00:08:34,184 --> 00:08:37,869 was your first job and what did you like about it? 136 00:08:39,424 --> 00:08:43,472 So I was actually appointed as a postdoc research fellow by Million 137 00:08:43,484 --> 00:08:47,424 Dollar Industry, founded the Australian Research Council project. 138 00:08:50,220 --> 00:08:54,154 So I was responsible for the day to day management of the whole project, 139 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:58,220 including development of the technologies that the industry partners want. 140 00:09:00,611 --> 00:09:03,261 So milestone delivery? They asked. 141 00:09:03,301 --> 00:09:07,176 We saw industry partners and they if they're from both Australia and 142 00:09:07,188 --> 00:09:11,301 China and also mentoring the students and also for 30 research students. 143 00:09:15,042 --> 00:09:20,834 So lots of things, that's my first job after completing my degree. 144 00:09:20,874 --> 00:09:22,849 And what did you like about it? 145 00:09:22,889 --> 00:09:26,911 So actually being a researcher, you always need to find new 146 00:09:26,923 --> 00:09:30,889 solutions that normally do not exist in the in the current 147 00:09:35,131 --> 00:09:37,397 what you need to, you know, you always need to. 148 00:09:37,437 --> 00:09:40,795 You know what? And there's almost no routine work. 149 00:09:40,835 --> 00:09:44,851 So like every day is a fresh day, and then there are always challenges, 150 00:09:44,863 --> 00:09:48,835 and sometimes you just simply do not know where I can find a solution. 151 00:09:51,333 --> 00:09:55,407 But once you pass that point and you do find a solution, you feel like 152 00:09:55,419 --> 00:09:59,333 you really make a breakthrough and then you feel proud of yourself. 153 00:10:00,106 --> 00:10:07,242 So that, like a full feeling is this is really a good, really rewarding. 154 00:10:07,282 --> 00:10:11,177 And then you are also well respected by the communities, so so 155 00:10:11,189 --> 00:10:15,282 that there's quite a lot of passion points of being a researcher. 156 00:10:16,048 --> 00:10:18,983 So you consider yourself to be a researcher in that role. 157 00:10:20,544 --> 00:10:22,753 Which is. 158 00:10:22,793 --> 00:10:26,817 Yeah, so, so so I think so, so so a lot of the like the 159 00:10:26,829 --> 00:10:30,793 lost, there was a lot of different, difficult moments. 160 00:10:31,310 --> 00:10:36,359 But like we just simply because because, you know, we're in the 21st century. 161 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,232 So a lot of things that you those have been, especially if we 162 00:10:40,244 --> 00:10:44,399 want to work with for industry to deliver a solution or technology 163 00:10:47,752 --> 00:10:51,798 that the industry can use is it's just difficult because because what 164 00:10:51,810 --> 00:10:55,752 what has what had been developed is already there and the the like, 165 00:10:57,936 --> 00:11:01,862 our problems are all really difficult ones, but we just need to 166 00:11:01,874 --> 00:11:05,936 being innovative and and find the solutions and work really hard. 167 00:11:10,495 --> 00:11:13,761 Yeah. So lots of problem solving there and finding ways forward. 168 00:11:13,801 --> 00:11:16,543 Sarah, how about you? What was your first job once 169 00:11:16,555 --> 00:11:19,472 you finished studying and what did you like about it? 170 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:23,473 Like you on? I was also a postdoctoral research fellow at the NSW, and I 171 00:11:23,485 --> 00:11:27,512 was working on synthesizing knowledge fluid for solar thermal collectors. 172 00:11:27,628 --> 00:11:32,572 And as a researcher, I should say that you would never get bored and what? 173 00:11:32,612 --> 00:11:34,683 You would get disappointed a lot. 174 00:11:34,723 --> 00:11:36,866 It was full of ups and downs. 175 00:11:36,906 --> 00:11:39,640 You could walk on a project and run experiments for 176 00:11:39,652 --> 00:11:42,715 months with absolutely no progress, as you all mentioned. 177 00:11:42,755 --> 00:11:45,441 And finally, one day you make a breakthrough 178 00:11:45,453 --> 00:11:48,150 and get the result that you wanted for ages. 179 00:11:48,190 --> 00:11:53,512 And when that happens, that moment of joy is worth all that's how it works. 180 00:11:53,552 --> 00:11:54,692 Excellent. 181 00:11:54,732 --> 00:11:58,283 Now I presume that you were both on relatively short 182 00:11:58,295 --> 00:12:01,790 fixed term contracts in these roles, is that right? 183 00:12:01,830 --> 00:12:03,826 Yes. Three years. 184 00:12:03,866 --> 00:12:11,158 So I got a three year appointment with I renewed just a year by year after that. 185 00:12:11,198 --> 00:12:15,793 Right. So a little bit uncertain in terms of, you know, what the future held. 186 00:12:15,833 --> 00:12:18,379 Which brings us to the next. Actually, I should just share with you. 187 00:12:18,403 --> 00:12:22,418 So my first role after my degree was on the graduate program of a very big 188 00:12:22,430 --> 00:12:26,403 Australian company that operates around the world in the metals industry. 189 00:12:29,630 --> 00:12:31,140 It's not as BHP. 190 00:12:31,180 --> 00:12:33,168 And I stayed there for three years. 191 00:12:33,208 --> 00:12:37,318 And I, you know, as with most first jobs, everything was new and exciting, 192 00:12:37,358 --> 00:12:41,037 and I learned a lot about work and being part 193 00:12:41,049 --> 00:12:44,821 of a big corporate business through that time. 194 00:12:44,861 --> 00:12:48,484 So let's now start thinking about the transition from 195 00:12:48,496 --> 00:12:52,198 being a researcher to moving into research management. 196 00:12:52,238 --> 00:12:55,083 Maybe, Sarah, if we could start with you. 197 00:12:55,123 --> 00:12:56,557 What was your thought process? 198 00:12:56,597 --> 00:12:59,848 Obviously, you've mentioned that some aspects of being a researcher 199 00:12:59,860 --> 00:13:03,123 are really exciting and the highs were high, but the lows were low. 200 00:13:03,163 --> 00:13:06,230 So what started you on the the thought process or the pathway 201 00:13:06,242 --> 00:13:09,023 to thinking about transitioning to research management? 202 00:13:11,388 --> 00:13:15,066 I think the main reason was like during my time postdoc positions, I 203 00:13:15,078 --> 00:13:18,768 had the opportunity to work in a very collaborative research groups, 204 00:13:18,808 --> 00:13:21,645 and I was given the opportunity to review and 205 00:13:21,657 --> 00:13:24,629 comment regularly on work of other researchers. 206 00:13:24,669 --> 00:13:26,627 And I find it very enjoyable to be 207 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:29,229 exposed to a variety of interesting projects. 208 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:32,424 And later, in my postdoc position, when I started 209 00:13:32,436 --> 00:13:35,667 getting involved in research proposal development, 210 00:13:35,707 --> 00:13:38,997 I realized actually I was really good at it and enjoyed 211 00:13:39,009 --> 00:13:42,959 supporting others to develop their ideas into academic narratives. 212 00:13:42,999 --> 00:13:46,299 And I started to think of this as what I'm going to pursue and 213 00:13:46,311 --> 00:13:49,622 excited to learn more about the research support career paths. 214 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:53,177 And so for me, it was kind of like a gradual transition, 215 00:13:53,217 --> 00:13:55,884 and I realized that supporting one idea to 216 00:13:55,896 --> 00:13:58,512 become a project by ensuring it is funded 217 00:13:58,552 --> 00:14:01,824 is kind of like as important as generating 218 00:14:01,836 --> 00:14:05,501 the idea and ultimately delivering the project. 219 00:14:05,541 --> 00:14:07,986 That's great. Joanne, how about you? What was your 220 00:14:07,998 --> 00:14:10,454 trigger for starting to think about transitioning? 221 00:14:12,195 --> 00:14:15,906 So because of my research experience I had was 222 00:14:15,918 --> 00:14:20,195 actually dealing with industry partners very closely. 223 00:14:25,342 --> 00:14:33,342 And then I had an opportunity to join our research show in China in 2015. 224 00:14:33,543 --> 00:14:37,357 Then I realized, although I was dealing with Australian, with our 225 00:14:37,369 --> 00:14:41,543 industry partners a lot and also some of the Chinese industry partners. 226 00:14:44,241 --> 00:14:48,089 But there are still lots of things that I really don't 227 00:14:48,101 --> 00:14:52,241 know about what industries sees the innovation needs crop, 228 00:14:55,951 --> 00:15:01,617 which are very different from the academics view. 229 00:15:01,657 --> 00:15:05,524 So, so which makes me think there's a real need 230 00:15:05,536 --> 00:15:09,657 that that the people really need to fill this gap. 231 00:15:11,856 --> 00:15:15,844 So we need to bring the the great innovations from the 232 00:15:15,856 --> 00:15:19,856 laboratories of universities to the to the real world. 233 00:15:20,506 --> 00:15:24,426 So so someone needs to come back the industry and the and 234 00:15:24,438 --> 00:15:28,506 the academics have to make sure academics really understand 235 00:15:29,646 --> 00:15:34,150 what they do and how they can help industry and make an impact on that. 236 00:15:34,190 --> 00:15:35,383 I'm thinking. 237 00:15:35,423 --> 00:15:39,385 And then there and then you can start to move to a stage to establish this 238 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:43,423 touching the vision precinct from 2016, and I've changed to my current job. 239 00:15:48,119 --> 00:15:49,267 Excellent. 240 00:15:49,307 --> 00:15:52,170 So, yeah, thanks, Sarah. 241 00:15:52,210 --> 00:15:54,882 So for me, I spent three years at BHP on the 242 00:15:54,894 --> 00:15:57,638 graduate program and it's a very big company, 243 00:15:57,678 --> 00:16:00,273 and they like their staff to move around quite a 244 00:16:00,285 --> 00:16:02,998 lot to experience different parts of the business. 245 00:16:03,038 --> 00:16:06,290 But when it was my turn to move around, I just got married to my wife 246 00:16:06,302 --> 00:16:09,427 had just got a job in Sydney and we just bought a house in Sydney. 247 00:16:09,467 --> 00:16:12,502 So it really wasn't a good time for me to move, 248 00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:15,497 and I happened to see a job advertised at A.W. 249 00:16:15,537 --> 00:16:19,582 In fact, which obviously I had some affinity because I'd studied there 250 00:16:19,594 --> 00:16:23,537 for five years and the job was about negotiating research contracts. 251 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,764 And I just spent three years at BHP negotiating 252 00:16:26,776 --> 00:16:29,417 contracts, albeit not research, but construction. 253 00:16:29,457 --> 00:16:32,503 But nevertheless, there's obviously some similarities. 254 00:16:32,543 --> 00:16:35,588 So I thought that I would have the skills and experience for the role. 255 00:16:37,566 --> 00:16:38,781 There was actually two jobs. 256 00:16:38,821 --> 00:16:42,285 One was the contract negotiation, another one was a more generic 257 00:16:42,297 --> 00:16:45,399 research post award administrator and I applied for both. 258 00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:49,457 I did get interviewed for the Post Award, but I did get interviewed 259 00:16:49,469 --> 00:16:53,439 for the contract negotiation role and I was ultimately successful. 260 00:16:53,721 --> 00:16:56,721 Well, in that application now when I 261 00:16:56,733 --> 00:17:00,396 was a student in business and law faculties, 262 00:17:00,436 --> 00:17:04,424 I just wasn't exposed to and didn't really understand just the 263 00:17:04,436 --> 00:17:08,436 massive, massive research effort that goes on in a university, 264 00:17:08,627 --> 00:17:11,784 particularly in science, engineering and medicine, 265 00:17:11,796 --> 00:17:14,655 but also in the non stem disciplines as well. 266 00:17:14,695 --> 00:17:16,904 So it was a real eye opener to move it 267 00:17:16,916 --> 00:17:19,535 to a university in a very different capacity. 268 00:17:19,575 --> 00:17:22,533 Obviously, when you're a student, you're quite focused on 269 00:17:22,545 --> 00:17:25,770 completing your studies and getting your degree and moving on. 270 00:17:25,810 --> 00:17:29,405 But to work at a university and to be exposed to this 271 00:17:29,417 --> 00:17:32,957 incredible, incredible depth and breadth of activity 272 00:17:32,997 --> 00:17:36,701 undertaken by really, really smart people who were on, 273 00:17:36,741 --> 00:17:39,411 you know, average pay on short term 274 00:17:39,423 --> 00:17:43,000 contracts, it was just it was a real eye opener 275 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,674 and it really literally changed the course of my entire career. 276 00:17:46,714 --> 00:17:50,154 And it was really fascinating and wonderful time. 277 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:54,389 And I also realized that I really wanted to be part of an organization 278 00:17:54,401 --> 00:17:58,194 that was helping people to fulfill and achieve their potential. 279 00:18:01,383 --> 00:18:04,425 So I wasn't so concerned that I wasn't a researcher, but 280 00:18:04,437 --> 00:18:07,490 also able to bring some skills and value to researchers. 281 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:11,166 Then working together, we could really make a difference in the world. 282 00:18:11,206 --> 00:18:14,642 So that was, you know, I kind of found the sweet spot, if 283 00:18:14,654 --> 00:18:18,340 you like, that really resonated with my own intrinsic values, 284 00:18:18,380 --> 00:18:25,259 but also was part of a much bigger, really important activity in society. 285 00:18:25,299 --> 00:18:26,616 Okay, enough about me. 286 00:18:26,656 --> 00:18:29,842 Maybe you can actually, Sarah, 287 00:18:29,882 --> 00:18:33,117 tell us about the research management roles that you've had in 288 00:18:33,129 --> 00:18:36,480 your career to date since you transitioned from being a postdoc? 289 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:37,807 Yeah. 290 00:18:37,847 --> 00:18:41,103 Look, I already had a chat about my control. 291 00:18:41,143 --> 00:18:44,732 Yeah, but prior to that's one I was a research development 292 00:18:44,744 --> 00:18:47,795 manager in the Social Strategy Office at the NSW. 293 00:18:47,835 --> 00:18:50,825 Your team, where my role was mainly focused on 294 00:18:50,837 --> 00:18:54,349 providing strategic advice to researchers with regards 295 00:18:54,389 --> 00:19:00,060 to available funding opportunities and developing high quality grant proposal. 296 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:04,055 Great and Yuan, you've had one research management role, and 297 00:19:04,067 --> 00:19:08,100 you're still in it and you're doing a great job, shall I say. 298 00:19:08,721 --> 00:19:10,898 Thank you. 299 00:19:10,938 --> 00:19:13,915 You're not going to float like a postdoc. 300 00:19:13,955 --> 00:19:17,582 Even being like my post experience is quite like a 301 00:19:17,594 --> 00:19:21,375 research management rather than doing pure research. 302 00:19:21,415 --> 00:19:23,683 So I was never doing fundamental research. 303 00:19:23,723 --> 00:19:30,856 But now it's just and I have access to a broader communities and the stakeholders. 304 00:19:32,695 --> 00:19:35,767 Then how about you, I'm sure you have lots to tell. 305 00:19:35,807 --> 00:19:37,424 So, yeah. 306 00:19:37,464 --> 00:19:40,003 26 years I've had a few different roles, so I started 307 00:19:40,015 --> 00:19:42,519 negotiating research contracts, as I just mentioned, 308 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,472 and I did that for five years, and then I 309 00:19:45,484 --> 00:19:48,826 moved to another research intensive university, 310 00:19:48,866 --> 00:19:51,426 the other one in Sydney, and I headed up the team there 311 00:19:51,466 --> 00:19:55,426 that looked after all aspects of competitive grant funding from government 312 00:19:55,466 --> 00:19:59,414 did that for 10 years had the amazing opportunity 313 00:19:59,426 --> 00:20:03,466 to build a new team largely from scratch from 2005 314 00:20:03,709 --> 00:20:06,452 and spent five of the last five years of my time there. 315 00:20:06,492 --> 00:20:08,341 It was really fantastic. 316 00:20:08,381 --> 00:20:10,853 The university was performing really well, was 317 00:20:10,865 --> 00:20:13,455 leading the nation in competitive grant funding. 318 00:20:13,495 --> 00:20:17,366 And in addition, thanks to the hard work of my team mates, 319 00:20:17,406 --> 00:20:20,399 we were one of ranked one of the highest performing 320 00:20:20,411 --> 00:20:22,953 professional staff teams in the university. 321 00:20:22,993 --> 00:20:27,042 Back in 2010, I shifted back to you, A.W., where I had studied and 322 00:20:27,054 --> 00:20:30,993 worked previously, and I've had four roles in the last 11 years. 323 00:20:32,034 --> 00:20:35,791 Ironically, when I returned in 2010, it was to a 324 00:20:35,803 --> 00:20:40,034 somewhat similar role to the one that I'd had in 1994, 325 00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:43,392 which was creating a team to support researchers who 326 00:20:43,404 --> 00:20:46,644 were receiving all sorts of funding other than grants. 327 00:20:46,684 --> 00:20:49,603 So contract research or tenders. 328 00:20:49,643 --> 00:20:53,314 And this is evolves in various forms over the last 11 years, 329 00:20:53,354 --> 00:20:56,736 I've had the opportunities twice more to create 330 00:20:56,748 --> 00:21:00,496 teams from scratch, which has been hugely rewarding. 331 00:21:00,536 --> 00:21:03,872 And as I mentioned, currently focusing on the tech transfer, 332 00:21:03,884 --> 00:21:06,793 translation and generating impact from our research. 333 00:21:08,419 --> 00:21:11,584 Okay, Sara, back to you. What do you enjoy about research management? 334 00:21:13,258 --> 00:21:17,216 Well, first of all, I should say, in my opinion, academics 335 00:21:17,228 --> 00:21:20,592 are one of the most hardworking people on planet. 336 00:21:20,632 --> 00:21:24,538 And that's the reason, to be honest, I'm not helping them to make their 337 00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:28,632 dream come true by enabling them to turn their ideas into actual projects. 338 00:21:29,343 --> 00:21:33,139 And as a research engagement manager, I get to do this by 339 00:21:33,151 --> 00:21:36,827 helping researchers identify the right funding schemes, 340 00:21:36,867 --> 00:21:40,316 right industry partners and getting their project funded, 341 00:21:40,328 --> 00:21:43,789 which is critical to make the intended scientific impact. 342 00:21:43,829 --> 00:21:47,187 I find it very enjoyable and satisfying to enable 343 00:21:47,199 --> 00:21:50,299 adoption of research findings by the industry 344 00:21:50,339 --> 00:21:54,198 as it ensures immediate impact of the research on the society. 345 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:58,053 That's great, U.N., How about you? 346 00:21:58,093 --> 00:22:00,166 Yeah, I agree with Sarah to some. 347 00:22:00,206 --> 00:22:04,828 So I think most people don't know how hard academics need to work now, 348 00:22:04,868 --> 00:22:08,826 how many hours they walk, and they and like many, a few of them 349 00:22:08,866 --> 00:22:11,749 have real holidays throughout the years and years. 350 00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:14,307 So, so but I do see. 351 00:22:14,347 --> 00:22:21,371 So actually, I don't think publishing papers are difficult. 352 00:22:21,411 --> 00:22:24,924 What's really difficult it is how you can 353 00:22:24,936 --> 00:22:29,217 convince a mystery partner to use your technology. 354 00:22:29,257 --> 00:22:33,213 Then your innovation technologies could have could be applied 355 00:22:33,225 --> 00:22:37,257 to the real world and help communities and have a real impact. 356 00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:42,552 Otherwise, you end up just having your name on papers. 357 00:22:42,592 --> 00:22:46,040 I don't think that's really rewarding, but a 358 00:22:46,052 --> 00:22:49,359 lot of researchers, although they want to, 359 00:22:49,399 --> 00:22:55,631 but they don't know how to actually access and how to communicate with industries. 360 00:22:55,671 --> 00:23:01,105 So that's that's something I'm really excited about the research management role 361 00:23:01,145 --> 00:23:06,758 and opportunities to work with broader stakeholders from different areas. 362 00:23:06,798 --> 00:23:12,806 So research background, government agencies, investors or industry. 363 00:23:12,846 --> 00:23:16,047 So, so across fault. 364 00:23:16,087 --> 00:23:20,849 And also help researchers to understand how to transmit. 365 00:23:20,889 --> 00:23:23,621 How to transform their ideas and the innovations 366 00:23:23,633 --> 00:23:26,544 from lab scales to commercial and commercial scale. 367 00:23:26,584 --> 00:23:30,697 And also, another thing is different from being just a researcher 368 00:23:30,709 --> 00:23:34,584 that I only know one area I can actually access technologies. 369 00:23:36,102 --> 00:23:40,230 Also, my own expertize, I'm the facilitator communications 370 00:23:40,242 --> 00:23:44,102 and discussions and collaborations across disciplines. 371 00:23:46,306 --> 00:23:49,092 So between researchers and the and the 372 00:23:49,104 --> 00:23:52,476 from different industries, schools, faculties. 373 00:23:52,516 --> 00:23:55,230 So that's really exciting. 374 00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:56,316 Yeah, I fully agree. 375 00:23:56,356 --> 00:24:02,218 It's a really critical role enabling and facilitating. 376 00:24:02,258 --> 00:24:05,690 So I often talk about the complementary expertize that we bring. 377 00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:09,635 Obviously, the researchers are the subject matter experts, and they're 378 00:24:09,647 --> 00:24:13,730 the ones that have the critical knowledge in developing new technologies, 379 00:24:14,689 --> 00:24:19,039 new disclosures and new ways of doing things. 380 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:22,567 But it's working hand in hand with people like 381 00:24:22,579 --> 00:24:26,004 ourselves who bring that commercial business, 382 00:24:26,044 --> 00:24:29,068 you know, know-how and expertize that working together, 383 00:24:29,108 --> 00:24:31,293 we can be so powerful and it can be so fulfilling 384 00:24:31,305 --> 00:24:33,590 and rewarding, bringing these technologies to life. 385 00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:37,592 The other thing I would say and I've kind of alluded to it already is just 386 00:24:37,604 --> 00:24:41,630 being part of high energy, high performing teams has been really rewarding. 387 00:24:41,670 --> 00:24:43,540 You often find that in research management 388 00:24:43,552 --> 00:24:45,785 teams in universities because they're very driven. 389 00:24:45,825 --> 00:24:49,261 Often they're researchers like the two of you who bring 390 00:24:49,273 --> 00:24:52,597 that's that drive and enthusiasm, energy and passion. 391 00:24:52,637 --> 00:24:53,677 So that's been really fun. 392 00:24:53,715 --> 00:24:57,032 Just, you know, I think of my current team and you've just got 393 00:24:57,044 --> 00:25:00,215 lots of different backgrounds and lots of different skills. 394 00:25:00,255 --> 00:25:03,763 It's really diverse and it really makes for 395 00:25:03,775 --> 00:25:08,255 complementarity in high performance and something else. 396 00:25:08,729 --> 00:25:10,684 Johan, that you mentioned is the variety. 397 00:25:10,724 --> 00:25:12,559 So every day literally is a new adventure. 398 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:15,186 You don't know what's going to land in 399 00:25:15,198 --> 00:25:18,131 your inbox or on a desk any particular day. 400 00:25:18,171 --> 00:25:21,741 And so working in a central research management office in a large 401 00:25:21,753 --> 00:25:25,498 research intensive university is really hard to beat, in my opinion. 402 00:25:25,538 --> 00:25:28,453 Okay, a couple more questions for you. 403 00:25:28,493 --> 00:25:32,299 And what do you think are the benefits of previously 404 00:25:32,311 --> 00:25:36,128 being a researcher in your research management role? 405 00:25:37,895 --> 00:25:41,741 So I think having a research background make me understand research 406 00:25:41,753 --> 00:25:45,895 like what researchers think better so really and understand their needs. 407 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,703 And though why it's difficult, why it might be difficult with 408 00:25:55,715 --> 00:25:59,840 them to work with industry and where their frustration came from. 409 00:26:01,052 --> 00:26:08,115 And also, you maybe be just surprised to see real researchers. 410 00:26:08,155 --> 00:26:11,967 They really just think about technology. 411 00:26:12,007 --> 00:26:15,540 So how I bring a tech and technical solution 412 00:26:15,552 --> 00:26:19,728 rather than whether it is a cost effective solution. 413 00:26:19,768 --> 00:26:23,657 But industry is all about cost benefit. 414 00:26:23,697 --> 00:26:26,361 So, so it's really different. You just need to. 415 00:26:26,401 --> 00:26:30,023 So lots of training that we can provide to researchers 416 00:26:30,035 --> 00:26:33,868 which one I was a researcher I didn't think about either. 417 00:26:33,908 --> 00:26:39,006 But now, because I work on my new research management role. 418 00:26:39,046 --> 00:26:44,777 So, so this is something like because I was doing what researchers think, 419 00:26:44,817 --> 00:26:47,390 and now I have no communications with the 420 00:26:47,402 --> 00:26:50,542 industry, so how I can bring them together better. 421 00:26:50,582 --> 00:26:51,660 Yeah. 422 00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,905 I and I'm often reminded of a conversation 423 00:26:53,917 --> 00:26:56,238 I had with an industry person who said that, 424 00:26:56,278 --> 00:26:59,480 you know, at 80 per cent solution today is much more valuable 425 00:26:59,492 --> 00:27:02,862 to them than 100 percent solution in a month or six months time. 426 00:27:02,902 --> 00:27:06,031 And so that's one of the messages that we need to keep reinforcing. 427 00:27:06,071 --> 00:27:07,307 Sarah, how about you? 428 00:27:07,347 --> 00:27:10,089 What are the benefits of previously being a researcher? 429 00:27:10,129 --> 00:27:12,744 Well, I also think there are many benefits. 430 00:27:12,784 --> 00:27:14,704 For example, as a researcher, 431 00:27:14,744 --> 00:27:17,155 I was really familiar with lifecycle of a 432 00:27:17,167 --> 00:27:19,821 research project from ideation to development 433 00:27:19,861 --> 00:27:23,206 and how a research proposal is developed by academics. 434 00:27:23,246 --> 00:27:26,348 And I familiar with how academics think like as 435 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,473 you all mentioned and what they value the most. 436 00:27:29,513 --> 00:27:32,086 And I take all of these are really helpful in 437 00:27:32,098 --> 00:27:34,345 a successful research management career 438 00:27:34,385 --> 00:27:37,053 because you understand the research as you know 439 00:27:37,065 --> 00:27:39,800 what they exactly want and how we can help them. 440 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,161 That's great. 441 00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:43,407 OK, second last question. 442 00:27:43,447 --> 00:27:47,404 Are there any skills that you didn't have when you transitioned 443 00:27:47,416 --> 00:27:51,447 to research management that you've realized now that you needed? 444 00:27:54,406 --> 00:28:01,640 Um, so I think a lot of things like, for example, the how to. 445 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,302 So, so like the whole app management 446 00:28:04,314 --> 00:28:07,588 and the commercialization of business models, 447 00:28:07,628 --> 00:28:11,490 how we find a it is a flexible business model 448 00:28:11,502 --> 00:28:15,628 that work for researchers but also for industry. 449 00:28:18,913 --> 00:28:22,808 And I think UCB is doing really well on that 450 00:28:22,848 --> 00:28:30,848 and also because I'm a I came from a engineering background 451 00:28:32,471 --> 00:28:39,118 and as a female and also a not an English speaking countries. 452 00:28:39,158 --> 00:28:45,792 So a lot of the communication skills that I and it's really important for me, 453 00:28:45,832 --> 00:28:48,811 not just so especially talking in a 454 00:28:48,823 --> 00:28:52,645 language that not that I'm not familiar with. 455 00:28:52,685 --> 00:28:55,139 So not from my own technical background. 456 00:28:56,767 --> 00:28:59,932 And also a team management team management skills. 457 00:28:59,972 --> 00:29:03,269 So I think on that point, the research management like 458 00:29:03,281 --> 00:29:07,191 researcher managers actually sort of a luckier than researchers. 459 00:29:07,231 --> 00:29:12,264 So as you said, like we have a team like high performing team 460 00:29:12,304 --> 00:29:16,256 that we can work with almost support each other and we 461 00:29:16,268 --> 00:29:20,304 have great mentors and team members, so everyone helps. 462 00:29:21,966 --> 00:29:26,014 But researchers, I think they work on more individual basis. 463 00:29:26,054 --> 00:29:30,007 And then and a lot of it, like they have students, good 464 00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:34,054 students and the less less strong, less strong students. 465 00:29:35,105 --> 00:29:38,636 So but they don't just need to work with all of them to 466 00:29:38,648 --> 00:29:42,191 bring a solution to deliver their research innovations. 467 00:29:42,231 --> 00:29:45,415 And I think how so to understand people and to 468 00:29:45,427 --> 00:29:49,032 communicate with people are really important skills. 469 00:29:49,072 --> 00:29:51,912 Yeah. Fully agree with that one. How about you, sir? What do you think? 470 00:29:53,553 --> 00:29:57,602 So I do believe that I was very lucky to start my research support 471 00:29:57,614 --> 00:30:01,553 career with some of the best mentors in Australia like yourself. 472 00:30:01,876 --> 00:30:04,756 And having access to these mentors helped me a lot. 473 00:30:04,796 --> 00:30:08,512 But definitely, yes, there are a lot of the skills that I needed to strengthen. 474 00:30:08,552 --> 00:30:12,040 For example, as a recession division manager, I needed to be a 475 00:30:12,052 --> 00:30:15,774 good facilitator and understand the language of industry partners. 476 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:17,462 Also, I needed to strengthen my 477 00:30:17,474 --> 00:30:20,152 negotiation skills to be able to close the deal. 478 00:30:20,192 --> 00:30:24,488 I know most of the ladies are really within bargaining doing shopping, 479 00:30:24,528 --> 00:30:28,457 but it's really important you actually stress and your negotiating 480 00:30:28,469 --> 00:30:32,528 skill as well to close the deal and also be apart from all of these. 481 00:30:32,819 --> 00:30:36,462 You need to also have an in-depth understanding of many 482 00:30:36,474 --> 00:30:40,520 ideas that contribute to being a successful research manager, 483 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,844 including basic contract management, IP and finance to some extent. 484 00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:51,415 So for me, I'll talk a bit more about the relationship 485 00:30:51,427 --> 00:30:54,696 skills because the longer I work in leadership, 486 00:30:54,736 --> 00:30:56,951 the more I realized that these are critical. 487 00:30:56,991 --> 00:30:59,399 So we've started to call them human skills because 488 00:30:59,411 --> 00:31:02,115 they're the skills that humans need in order to succeed. 489 00:31:02,155 --> 00:31:04,479 That includes listening. 490 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,905 Relationship management, project management, those sorts of things. 491 00:31:07,945 --> 00:31:10,897 For me, as a leader, there's a strategic element. 492 00:31:10,937 --> 00:31:14,234 So I'm not trying to always think about what's coming next, what's over 493 00:31:14,246 --> 00:31:17,693 the horizon that I need to be thinking out, planning for or preparing for. 494 00:31:17,733 --> 00:31:20,292 And the last one that's really been important 495 00:31:20,304 --> 00:31:23,042 these last couple of crazy years is flexibility. 496 00:31:23,082 --> 00:31:25,725 So I'm fortunate to have a team of 497 00:31:25,737 --> 00:31:29,453 people that I can completely trust at all times. 498 00:31:29,493 --> 00:31:33,062 And so we've been able to allow people the freedom to decide when 499 00:31:33,074 --> 00:31:36,600 and where they work, and we're all accountable for the outcomes. 500 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,598 So once you've got that sort of high trust arrangement, 501 00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:43,729 it makes flexibility a lot more manageable. 502 00:31:43,769 --> 00:31:45,974 Now the last question, Sara, we'll start with you. 503 00:31:46,014 --> 00:31:48,845 What's one or two pieces of advice that you might want 504 00:31:48,857 --> 00:31:51,649 to give to people that are considering the transition 505 00:31:51,689 --> 00:31:55,353 from being a researcher to a research manager? 506 00:31:55,393 --> 00:31:59,202 And what advice is that if you enjoy being part of a many great 507 00:31:59,214 --> 00:32:03,393 initiatives, if you enjoy working with a broad range of stakeholders, 508 00:32:04,181 --> 00:32:06,629 including academics and industry partners? 509 00:32:06,669 --> 00:32:10,688 And if you really care about science and scientific contribution 510 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,669 but don't enjoy long term focus on a particular research topic, 511 00:32:15,215 --> 00:32:17,242 I think you would definitely enjoy 512 00:32:17,254 --> 00:32:19,992 transitioning into a research management role. 513 00:32:20,032 --> 00:32:22,776 I know it might look at the transition, 514 00:32:22,816 --> 00:32:26,138 but I can assure you that this is only because we have been 515 00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:29,318 trained to think of academic job as the main career path 516 00:32:29,358 --> 00:32:34,112 the university sector for PSG graduates, which is not true. 517 00:32:34,152 --> 00:32:35,736 It's great. 518 00:32:35,776 --> 00:32:43,776 So I think it's really important to assess yourself what you are really good at. 519 00:32:45,575 --> 00:32:49,876 So because research and the management are actually quite different, 520 00:32:49,888 --> 00:32:53,575 and I think there's a one senior manager from us, Gabriel, 521 00:32:54,413 --> 00:32:57,020 who used to say there are a lot of 522 00:32:57,032 --> 00:33:00,550 academics and the researchers at universities, 523 00:33:00,590 --> 00:33:04,079 but very few of them can be real managers because 524 00:33:04,091 --> 00:33:07,381 they really just require different skill sets. 525 00:33:07,421 --> 00:33:10,090 So it is not just what you want to do, 526 00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:17,281 but also like what what your character characters are 527 00:33:17,321 --> 00:33:22,600 and the what you are structured to really do a good self evaluation. 528 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,980 I think it's important. 529 00:33:26,428 --> 00:33:30,034 For me, I would say keep all your options open because 530 00:33:30,046 --> 00:33:33,401 you just don't know where a path is going to lead. 531 00:33:33,441 --> 00:33:36,419 So for example, my role when I first moved into 532 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:39,358 research management was negotiating contracts, 533 00:33:39,398 --> 00:33:42,031 however, sitting all around me literally with 534 00:33:42,043 --> 00:33:44,803 people that were looking at the grants process. 535 00:33:44,843 --> 00:33:46,630 And so I was curious. 536 00:33:46,670 --> 00:33:50,537 I wondered what on earth they were doing all hours of the day and night. 537 00:33:50,577 --> 00:33:52,722 So I took an interest. I, you know, got to 538 00:33:52,734 --> 00:33:54,991 know what they were doing. I let you skills. 539 00:33:55,031 --> 00:33:57,334 I helped out with major deadlines. 540 00:33:57,374 --> 00:33:58,852 And if I hadn't done that, I would. 541 00:33:58,892 --> 00:34:01,608 There's no way I would have got my next role at the University 542 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,392 of Sydney, which was quite a significant promotion at the time. 543 00:34:04,432 --> 00:34:07,129 So you just never know where different parts 544 00:34:07,141 --> 00:34:10,152 are going to lead, so keep all your options open. 545 00:34:10,192 --> 00:34:13,381 And finally, ask lots of questions. Never guess. 546 00:34:13,421 --> 00:34:17,519 And if you're a supervisor or a leader listening to this session, strongly 547 00:34:17,531 --> 00:34:21,421 encourage your team members to always ask lots of questions no matter, 548 00:34:22,667 --> 00:34:25,751 you know, give them the permission to do that without 549 00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:28,458 feeling that it's in any way a negative thing, 550 00:34:28,498 --> 00:34:30,840 because that will build the trust and the 551 00:34:30,852 --> 00:34:33,654 rapport that you need to deliver a great service. 552 00:34:33,694 --> 00:34:36,111 So thank you very much, Joanne and Sara. 553 00:34:36,151 --> 00:34:39,924 It's great to have shared the last 35 minutes with you. 554 00:34:39,964 --> 00:34:43,259 Thanks for the contributions that you've made to research 555 00:34:43,271 --> 00:34:46,350 management and look forward to seeing you again soon. 556 00:34:46,390 --> 00:34:47,879 Back to you, Darryl. 557 00:34:49,886 --> 00:34:53,981 On behalf of In, I don't see the future team, we want to thank 558 00:34:53,993 --> 00:34:57,774 you Warrick, Yuan and Sarah for the most excellent panel. 559 00:34:57,814 --> 00:35:02,216 Please be sure to come back for the next session of See the Future. 560 00:35:02,256 --> 00:35:06,214 Also, be sure to post your questions in the Q&A box and note that 561 00:35:06,226 --> 00:35:10,256 the responses will be published in the official conference report. 562 00:35:10,657 --> 00:35:14,450 Also, please be sure to visit our sponsors and exhibitors 563 00:35:14,462 --> 00:35:17,743 who have made this list. See the future possible. 564 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:20,430 Also, I just want to thank you to welcome to 565 00:35:20,442 --> 00:35:23,161 your host for this segment of See the Future. 566 00:35:23,201 --> 00:35:27,062 And we want to thank you for attending the See the Future Conference.53210

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