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>> Through the scope of
religious texts and art,
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unexplained and quite
mystical type experiences seem
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to revolve around
all of the heroes.
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In legends and myth,
supernatural powers,
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from walking on water
and astral projection
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to stories of resurrection
and transcendence,
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have baffled the rationale of
skeptics and pragmatists alike.
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But the story was
about to change
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after an unlikely ancient relic
was discovered after being
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lost for 2000 years.
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On March 14 of 1952, at
an archaeological site
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on the West Bank in Israel's
Qumran National Park,
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15 scrolls were unearthed,
the last of which
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was famously called
the copper scroll.
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It was corroded to the point
where it could not be unrolled.
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So English archaeologist,
John Marco Allegro,
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recommended that
the scrolls be sent
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to Manchester
University in order
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to cut them into pieces,
making them easier to read.
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After 15 years of study, Allegro
published his book, "The Sacred
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Mushroom and the Cross."
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He argued that the linguistics
of this dead language
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revealed that the
roots of Christianity
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were born in fertility
cults, with the use
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of sacramental and
psychedelic mushrooms,
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also stating that
these rituals survived
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in secrecy within
Christian artwork seen
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in cathedrals and churches.
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But the most popular of
Allegro's interpretations
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was the fresco at
Plaincourault Chapel.
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>> Right before his book, "The
Sacred Mushroom" got published,
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he saw a grainy image of
the Plaincourault fresco
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and thought it was
an amanita muscaria,
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so he put it in the
dust jacket of his book.
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Like all people, when I first
saw the Plaincourault fresco,
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I was like, oh, my god.
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That's an amanita
muscaria, of course.
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>> Professor Jerry Brown served
as the founding professor
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of anthropology at Florida
International University
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in Miami, where he taught
a course on psychedelics.
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>> It really started with my
first psychedelic experience
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which was on LSD at a
Rainbow Family gathering,
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high in the Rocky Mountains.
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It was a frightening
experience, and I wasn't alone.
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I mean, Albert
Hoffman thought he was
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dying in his first experience--
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discovery of LSD.
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And it really made me
pause and want to learn
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a lot more about psychedelics.
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I mean, I didn't have
the instant nirvana
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that Larry was talking about,
and so being an anthropologist
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I designed and taught a course
on hallucinogens in culture.
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Then, fast forward to 2006.
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My wife, Julie, and I are in
Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland,
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and I discovered, in the head
of the most prominent green man,
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a fertility head of
which there are about 100
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in Rosslyn Chapel, about
two weeks after buying
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this replica of this
Rosslyn Chapel green man,
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I turned it around on a table.
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And I looked, and was staring
at a replica of an amanita
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muscaria mushroom.
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The bulbous bottom, the
little veil around the stem,
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the little white dots, the dots.
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And it was this discovery
of a psychoactive mushroom
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in a Catholic church that led
Julie and me to start thinking,
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are there other psychedelic
mushrooms in Christian art?
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Julie and I had the opportunity
to meet with Paul Stamets, one
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of the world's most eminent
and knowledgeable mycologists.
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And we said, Paul, do you
agree with our interpretation
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that this is an amanita
muscaria mushroom?
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And he said, oh, absolutely.
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It is.
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And I said, and now I'm
embarrassed about this, I said,
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Paul, are you sure?
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That's like asking the pope,
are you sure you're Catholic?
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And he laughed, and he said,
this is a taxonomically correct
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amanita muscaria mushroom.
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>> As Jerry and Julie Brown
found their conviction that
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this was indeed a secretive
depiction of the psychoactive
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amanita muscaria mushroom by
the artist Sir William Sinclair,
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the author of "The Witches'
Ointment," Tom Hatsis,
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with a master's in history, has
a different view on the matter.
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>> Every image put forth by
the holy mushroom advocates,
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and they all have different--
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they all have different
details in their theories,
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but they're all trying to say
the same thing, that there
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are mushrooms in Christian art.
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While I do believe that there's
a lot to say about psychedelics
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in early Christianity and
medieval Christianity,
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I don't believe that there is
anything to say about mushrooms
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secretly hidden in art.
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An example would be the green
man from Rosslyn Chapel.
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Paul Stamets and
Jerry Brown both say
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that that's an amanita
muscaria mushroom,
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and that it's a taxonomically
correct amanita muscaria
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mushroom.
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But that's only because
they put an unnatural line
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of demarcation at the nub
where the mushroom should end.
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If you get rid of that
line of demarcation,
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it goes on, and on, and on.
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It doesn't look like it amanita
muscaria that I've ever seen.
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One of the things about the
holy mushroom hypothesis,
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if we can call it that,
is that it actually
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has a lot of shortcomings.
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Now, these
shortcomings are often
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overlooked by the people
bolstering the theory,
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but for others who pay a little
bit more careful attention
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to detail, we see a big problem.
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There's a disconnect.
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And in my opinion,
the biggest problem
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is that Christians,
especially the church fathers,
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wrote about their
psychedelic experiences.
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I mean, St. Basil
recommended taking mandrake.
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Theodoret of Syria would
smoke opium and then
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read from the gospels.
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So these guys were totally
open about discussing
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their psychedelic
use, so why not say,
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hey, we're secretly
painting it in art, too.
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Why talk about cannabis,
and opium, and mandrake,
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and henbane, and never
bring up a mushroom?
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It makes no sense historically.
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>> Tom asked, he said, look,
if there is all of these
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psychedelics, why aren't
the church fathers--
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why aren't there
more about this in
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the early Christian writings?
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And my answer to Tom on
this point is twofold.
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One, absence of evidence
is not evidence of absence.
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Just because they didn't
write about it doesn't mean
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it wasn't there.
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And when we come
back to this point
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that these were
the holies of holy,
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that people talked about them
in secrecy, that the pope said,
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let art be the Bible of the
illiterate, they expressed it,
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but they expressed it
in the artwork and not
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in the writings.
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It was too sacred to
put into the writings.
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>> Tom began researching the
holy mushroom theory years ago,
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and was even on the path to
writing a book on the topic.
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>> So I used to actually believe
the holy mushroom theory in its
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totality.
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And I actually, I didn't
think that anybody
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had written a good book on
the topic, so I'm like, OK.
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Well, I'm going to
write that book.
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So before I wrote "The Witches'
Ointment," the first book
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in psychedelics I was going to
write was on the holy mushroom
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theory.
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But the more I investigated
it, the more I came to realize,
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none of these things
are actually mushrooms.
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A lot of the times,
the advocates
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don't know what
they're looking at.
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And some of them have
kind of mushroomy shapes,
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but in an odd way,
so does a stop sign.
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And look, it's red at the
top, and it's on a stem.
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So I was just trying to
make this theory fit--
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the evidence fit what I already
thought, and I was like, well,
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aren't I a sucker?
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There's just nothing to it.
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I fell for it.
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And so now I spend my time
investigating these photos,
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and these pictures, and
showing what they actually
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are because I think it's
an important question.
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Look, if Jesus had anything to
do with magic mushrooms, that
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is a big deal.
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>> By the time Jerry and Julie
Brown's book came out in 2016,
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many other books had
been published regarding
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psychedelics and Christian art.
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The concept was
growing in popularity,
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yet because there were so
many unanswered questions
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and wild speculations,
Jerry and Julie
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found it imperative to write
a comprehensive book on where
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the debate sits today.
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>> Are there other
entheogens in Christian art?
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Does Christianity have
a psychedelic history?
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If it does, what does
this imply for the life
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of Jesus and the disciples?
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And before we
slipped into a kind
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of a rambunctious
overthrow of reason,
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Carl Sagan's famous
words came to us,
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"extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence."
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>> Extraordinary claims
require ordinary evidence,
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and the holy mushroom hypothesis
doesn't even have base
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evidence, let alone
extraordinary evidence.
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It doesn't even--
it's got nothing.
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Of all the pieces
that I've seen,
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they're easily
explained away by using
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very basic historical criteria
in detective crime solving
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methods, every
single one of them.
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In those days,
psychedelics were not
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classified the way we
classify drugs today.
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They didn't classify them.
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They classified magic.
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So you could give somebody
cannabis, right, to heal them.
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And they're healed.
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Well, that's good.
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That's good magic.
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You're a good witch.
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Congratulations.
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Now, you give somebody
cannabis and let's say
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they start to freak
out because they don't
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know what's going on
or mushrooms-- well,
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now you're a bad witch.
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And now you didn't try
to heal that person,
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you were trying to
send demons into them.
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You were trying to possess them.
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So much of it depended
on, really, the outcome.
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>> If psychedelics were not
as important as the intentions
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of the people using
them in magic,
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then would it make sense
to keep them secret?
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The extraordinary claims
that Jerry and Julie
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Brown were looking to back up
had many obstacles to overcome.
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>> We had some serious
reservations at the beginning.
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But we finally came
to a point where
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we gathered so much
information at a distance
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that Julie and I
said, you know, we
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will regret it the
rest of our lives
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if this insight was
given to us, if we
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don't undertake this
journey of discovery
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to see if we can find
psychedelic images
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in Christian art.
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>> Jerry and Julie set out
for Europe and the Middle East
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to hunt down the original
artwork, take pictures,
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and gather the extraordinary
evidence that they were after.
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>> The first place we went
was to Plaincourault, France,
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to the tiny chapel, 20
feet wide by 60 feet deep
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in Plaincourault, where there
is a giant amanita mushroom
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on a fresco of the temptation
scene in the Garden of Eden.
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We went there because
this place was
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the source of the debate between
Gordon Wasson and John Allegro
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as to, is this an amanita
muscaria mushroom,
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or is it not?
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Wasson said, no, citing
the art historian
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Panofsky, who said it's a
stylized Italian pine tree.
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And Allegro said,
oh, it absolutely is.
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It was an incredibly
emotional day for both of us,
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but especially for me.
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I had been waiting for 40
years to see this giant amanita
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mushroom in
Plaincourault Chapel.
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The guide to the
chapel showed up.
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He spoke in French which
we could understand,
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and he described
it as an amanita.
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And when we looked at it,
it was completely clear
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that this was an
amanita mushroom because
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of the meticulous white dots on
the cap, which were obviously
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drawn with intention because
Adam and Eve were covering
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themselves with mushroom
caps, not fig leaves.
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And Eve was partially
skeletonized which
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in shamanism is associated
with transcendence.
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I mean, skeletonization
in the bones
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are very key to shamanism.
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And Julie noticed that.
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So it was the first place
we stopped in our journey,
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and it was the initial
confirmation to say,
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yes, Allegro was right
about Plaincourault,
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and we have our
first major signpost
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on the trail of finding
compelling evidence
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of mushrooms in Christianity.
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>> There are shamanic skeletal
references in books as well
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as rock art, in which the motifs
represent death and rebirth
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of the spirit or transcendence.
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And the image even has
definitive markings
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to depict that Eve is
either starving or becoming
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skeleton-like.
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But was John Marco Allegro
truly correct in his claim
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that this was a name
amanita muscaria mushroom?
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>> Well, Allegro himself
came to believe that that
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wasn't a mushroom.
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And in every edition of the
sacred mushroom and the cross,
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that photo was taken out.
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He died believing only in his
linguistic interpretations.
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All these people today
don't read dead languages,
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so they picked up on the art
because it's just easy to--
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it's art.
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We can all interpret whatever
we want to see in art.
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So it's simple, especially
because some of the trees
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are kind of zany looking.
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They do have purple
tops, or red tops,
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and have kind of a bulbous
top with a long stem.
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Yeah, go outside.
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That's what trees look like.
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>> Well, I would point out that
this is from about the 1100s,
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and perspective did not
come into art until the 15th
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century.
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So the artist could--
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look.
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This is not an anatomically
correct Adam and Eve,
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nor is it an anatomically
correct amanita muscaria fly
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agaric mushroom.
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So this could be the artist
drawing a cluster of mushrooms
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there.
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And as an
anthropologist, I always
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like to see what do the
locals, the natives, say.
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A bishop in early France said
that these were psychoactive,
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or really mind
altering substances,
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using the language of that time.
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When it was first introduced
to the Mycological
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Society of France, the
mycologist presenting it
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said, and look, the artist
has drawn a giant fly agaric.
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When I asked the guide
to Plaincourault,
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who was taking us around, why
did the artist put this there?
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He said, because he wants
people to understand
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that they have to have a
transcendental experience
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to come closer to God.
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>> The double-edged sword of
art is that some pieces can be
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interpreted in many ways,
whereas others are quite
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on the nose.
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Making a distinction between
which of those categories
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these Christian
renderings fall into
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is the debate that has raged for
the better part of a century.
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But Jerry and Julie kept on
with their investigation,
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wondering where else they might
find evidence of psychedelics
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in Christian art.
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>> After Plaincourault, we drove
about two hours east in France
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to the Parish Church of
Saint-Martin de Vic, again,
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about 1,000 years old.
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And when we came into the
choir, Julie took my arm
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and she said, do
you see what I see?
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And I looked at the joint
scene of the purification
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of Isaiah's lips and
Jesus entering Jerusalem.
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And up in the right hand corner
of the scene of Jesus entering
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Jerusalem, the joyful youth, who
are welcoming him to Jerusalem
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on the Passover, one
of them is holding
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onto the stem of one of
five, large, tan psilocybin
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mushrooms.
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And as we looked
to the next wall,
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Jesus is going towards
the Tower of Jerusalem.
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On top of the
Tower of Jerusalem,
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there are other youth
with long knives,
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cutting down unmistakable
psilocybin mushrooms,
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cutting through the stem.
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If that was not enough on this
wall, the painting, the fresco,
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of the Towers of
Jerusalem is looking down
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on the Last Supper.
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It is not bread on the table.
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It's mushroom caps.
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If it were bread, it
would be pulled apart.
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It would be baked in loaves.
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And the same knives
are on the table
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that were used to cut
down the mushrooms
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in the Tower of Jerusalem.
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>> So a lot of people look
at that image without knowing
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exactly where it comes from.
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And when I say exact
where it comes from,
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I mean, literally, the Bib--
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the chapter and verse
of where it comes from.
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It comes from the
Gospel of Mark.
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It's often
misappropriately titled,
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The Triumphal Entry, by people
who are not New Testament
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historians.
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Because New Testament
historians know that it was not
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a triumphal entry.
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Mark's Gospel is a war gospel.
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This was a counter-protest.
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In the Gospel, you
have Jesus coming
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in from one side of town.
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OK?
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He's contrasted by Caesar
coming in from the other side
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with the standards
and the warhorses.
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So Jesus is not on a war horse.
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He's on a lowly donkey.
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Right?
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And even though the
Romans are coming in
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with their parasols of victory
getting back to that peace,
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you see the young boys,
handing the parasol of victory,
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instead, to Jesus.
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>> Parasols and umbrellas seem
to be a point of debate between
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scholars looking
into religious art.
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Even in Hindu, Babylonian,
and Assyrian art,
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we find many parasols.
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But are these really meant
to depict the same objects?
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And why would the
children be using knives
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to cut down the
parasols of victory
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instead of pulling
them out of the ground?
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A knife would make more sense to
cut a mushroom from the ground
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than an umbrella.
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As Jerry and Julie continued
their investigation,
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they found many images that
look far less like parasols,
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but still peculiar
enough to question.
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>> In the opening folio of
the great Canterbury Psalter,
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which was created at
Canterbury Cathedral,
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it started about 1180, it
tells the story of Genesis,
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all the way through
the life of Christ.
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And there's this scene
where Jesus heals the leper.
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And the leper says,
master, please cleanse me.
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And Jesus says-- and his scroll
reaching out to the leper,
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says, I will be cleansed.
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But what is
fascinating about this
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is that the scroll that
the leper is holding
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goes from his hand not to
Jesus, but to a very clear, tan
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psychedelic mushroom at
the bottom of the painting.
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Jesus is hovering, sort
of suspended in air,
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over that mushroom.
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And the artist
obviously was showing us
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the significance of mushrooms
in Jesus' healing ministry.
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In this fresco in the Parish
Church of Saint-Martin de Vic
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in central France,
there is a fresco
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that brings together to the
New Testament, Jesus entering
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Jerusalem and the Old Testament,
Isaiah's lips, the purification
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of his lips.
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And the story is that
the Seraphim, the angel,
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took a burning coal
with tongs and put it in
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to cleanse his lips,
and metaphorically
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wash all of his sins away.
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What's in this
painting is a tan,
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round object in Isaiah's lips.
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It is not burning hot
black like a coal.
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It's not burning red.
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There are no tongs.
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And given the
relationship, the context
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of mushrooms in the rest
of the scenes there,
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we believe that this story is
talking about an entheogen,
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even back in the
Old Testament time.
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And it was at that moment
that we had our aha discovery,
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and said, this is a
psychedelic Gospel.
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This is an alternative
history of Christianity.
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And this shouldn't
be so surprising,
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because back in
the sixth century,
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Pope Gregory said, let art be
the Bible of the illiterate,
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because most of the people
throughout the entire medieval
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period were illiterate.
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>> Is illiteracy the reason
why these seemingly psychedelic
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mushrooms show up
in Christian art?
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One other theory is that from
early on in the construction
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of the religious
institution, these plants
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were suppressed and kept only in
the hands of the inner circles
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of the church.
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But Jerry sees this
point a bit differently.
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>> When it comes to secrecy
of the mushrooms and these
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rituals, the major point to
make here is that secrecy is not
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suppression.
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There are some people who argue
that entheogens were suppressed
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in Christianity.
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Absolutely not.
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This did not happen until
after the Inquisition.
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That's the point where
they really disappear
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for a variety of reasons.
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The reason that these mushrooms
are there for the initiates
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to see is because this
is the holy of holies.
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These are the sacred plants.
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And so in all of the shamanistic
and classic religious
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traditions that use entheogens,
these are treated reverently,
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and secretly, and quietly.
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Among María Sabina and
the Mazatec shaman,
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they're talked a little--
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landslide mushrooms, the
little saints of the Mazatec,
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are talked about in
whispers at night
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at veladas, at midnight
healing ceremonies.
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>> The use of secrecy in
magic and religion is seen
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ubiquitously through many
different spiritual traditions.
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Kees Willem Bolle opens his
book, "Secrecy and Religion"
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by saying, not only is there
no religion without secrecy,
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but there is no human
existence without it.
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Religious expressiveness and all
human life cannot be understood
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if we ignore their peculiar
codes, reservations,
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self restraints, and cautions
that seem their very grammar
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and idiom.
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Many in modern self
encounter groups
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state that the only difference
between magic practice
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and religion is that
religion is sanctioned
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by a near governmental
size authority,
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and magic refers
to the groups that
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didn't build the mass
congregation or business
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model around it.
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But authors like
Jordan Maxwell seem
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to find that obscure
passages in the Bible
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might point to mushroom
worship amongst the Israelites.
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Exodus 16:14 states, and when
the dew that lay was gone up,
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behold upon the face
of the wilderness,
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there lay a small
round thing, as small
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as the hoarfrost on the ground.
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He also points out that the
hats worn by Jewish priests
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look similar to mushroom caps.
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Professor Carl Ruck, who wrote
"Mushrooms, Myth and Mithras,"
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says of Mithraism, the
religions kept its secrets well.
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The teachings were
never codified
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in official scriptures.
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He also says that Mithras, like
the amanita muscaria mushroom,
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was said to be born wearing
a red, star-spotted cap
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from a pine cone or
philosopher's stone.
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Many of these
religions were born
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in a similar area
of the old world,
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while we also find
mushroom idolatry
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among many North, Central,
and South American indigenous.
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Even if only a few
of these references
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are, in fact, historically
accurate, speaking
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about psychedelic
worship leading
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00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,900
to widespread
religions, what, then,
493
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:22,760
is the incentive
to keep the secrecy
494
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,480
alive in the information
age that we live in today?
495
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,450
>> Institutions that are very
invested in telling large
496
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:37,910
numbers of people what they
should think, like religions,
497
00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:40,700
is probably the best example,
psychedelics are very
498
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,030
threatening to that
because you're saying, no.
499
00:24:44,030 --> 00:24:49,790
I'm not going to accept your
doctrine, your dogma, whatever.
500
00:24:49,790 --> 00:24:53,080
I'm going to think for myself.
501
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,880
A society of people that
actually think for themselves
502
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,230
is a very dangerous thing
to established institutions.
503
00:25:00,230 --> 00:25:05,390
>> What this research reveals
is the plant-based shamanic
504
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:07,520
origins of religion itself.
505
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,710
And that's something
that fundamental religion
506
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:14,477
has been rallied against
ever since they took hold.
507
00:25:14,477 --> 00:25:16,310
Ever since the Christian
religion took hold,
508
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:19,730
it began with the suppression
of the pagan cults
509
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:22,100
and suppressed the peyote
cults, and the mushroom
510
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:26,510
cults, and the sacred use of
drugs and plants and everything
511
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:30,350
throughout the whole world,
because of this fear out of it.
512
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:34,490
>> Once religions adopted public
persuasion and political power,
513
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:37,670
the claims of magic powers
coming from plant sacraments
514
00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:40,640
were seen as blasphemous,
and may have fueled the mass
515
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,570
genocide of shamanic
tribes in the Americas.
516
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:47,630
Even today, it is a
controversial claim
517
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:50,210
to say that psychedelics
like psilocybin mushrooms
518
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:53,360
can elicit a religious
or mystical experience.
519
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,820
But if it were true,
could this account
520
00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:57,590
for the nature of
the transformation
521
00:25:57,590 --> 00:26:00,230
that Christ, and possibly
other religious heroes,
522
00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:02,450
claim to have had?
523
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:07,520
>> There are many writings that
indicate that Jesus achieved
524
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,020
his immortality and
divinity through entheogens.
525
00:26:12,020 --> 00:26:13,470
Let me give you just one--
526
00:26:13,470 --> 00:26:17,420
for example, eat of my
flesh, drink of my blood,
527
00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:19,059
and you will
achieve immortality.
528
00:26:19,059 --> 00:26:20,600
I mean, this is in
the New Testament.
529
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,560
This is John.
530
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,880
What is Jesus talking about?
531
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,650
Is he advocating cannibalism?
532
00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:26,900
I think not, because
this would be anathema
533
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,350
to Romans and to Jews alike.
534
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:33,070
Number two, when we get
into gnostic gospels,
535
00:26:33,070 --> 00:26:37,850
in the Gospel of Thomas,
Jesus says to the disciples,
536
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:40,220
to whom can you compare me?
537
00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:42,590
And Thomas answers
and he says, master,
538
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:46,970
I am wholly incapable of
comparing you to anyone.
539
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:51,710
And Jesus replies, I
am not your master.
540
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:56,210
Because you have drunk
from the bubbling spring
541
00:26:56,210 --> 00:27:00,950
that I have measured out,
you have become like me,
542
00:27:00,950 --> 00:27:03,290
and I have become like you.
543
00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:07,280
And all that is hidden
within has been revealed.
544
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,610
Now, what we're talking
about is a bubbling spring.
545
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:14,510
Drinking the drink from
my mouth, and a drink
546
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:16,340
that I have measured out.
547
00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:18,410
We all know that dose
is very important.
548
00:27:18,410 --> 00:27:20,210
I mean, here, as
close as you can
549
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:23,510
get without going
into volume, he's
550
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:26,960
talking about measuring out a
dose of this particular drink.
551
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,820
We think this is a code
for the original Eucharist,
552
00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:34,040
the mushroom.
553
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,870
>> There is something uniquely
powerful and re-organization
554
00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:40,250
all about these experiences.
555
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:45,110
They appear to map on
to naturally occurring
556
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:48,260
mystical or transformative
type experiences that
557
00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:51,020
have been reported
throughout the ages
558
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:55,100
by mystics and
religious figures.
559
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,750
Now, as a clinical
pharmacologist
560
00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:00,500
who's been doing
research with all kinds
561
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:04,220
of different psychoactive
compounds for decades,
562
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:10,190
that's just a remarkable
and unprecedented finding.
563
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:13,220
>> If the leading researcher
in psilocybin mushrooms trials
564
00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:17,390
with control groups with nearly
two decades of studies can make
565
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:20,240
the claim that these mushrooms
might account for the wildly
566
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,720
mystical stories of
religious heroes,
567
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,610
then we may now truly have
evidence of the psychedelic
568
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:29,840
origins of religions
around the world.
569
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,080
The ancient Egyptians called
mushrooms the sons of the gods,
570
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,430
and plants of immortality,
closely resembling the idea
571
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:39,650
that psychoactive
mushrooms were involved
572
00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:42,200
in the divine soma
drink of immortality
573
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
for the ancient Indians.
574
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,810
The Egyptian origin myth
of the sacred mushrooms
575
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:50,720
was that Set, the
storm god, created them
576
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,530
by hurling lightning bolts with
spores in them to the earth.
577
00:28:54,530 --> 00:28:57,560
This has relevance to the
theory that the first lifeforms
578
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,710
on the planet may have been
mushrooms from large molecules
579
00:29:00,710 --> 00:29:03,740
in the oceans that were
struck by lightning.
580
00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:08,810
Similar beliefs crop up in
anxious Greek, Roman, Indian,
581
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:11,360
and even Scythian idolatry.
582
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,420
Across the ocean, the
Zapotec civilization,
583
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:17,270
who built impressive
temple grounds in Mexico,
584
00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:20,210
prayed to the great lightning
bolt that breeds the mushrooms
585
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:22,070
after their ceremonies.
586
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:26,150
The Olmec, Maya, Aztec,
and quite possibly
587
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:29,210
many more ancient religions
from around the world,
588
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:33,410
believe that these were divinely
intelligent, highly important
589
00:29:33,410 --> 00:29:34,490
holy mushrooms.
590
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:37,010
591
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:40,140
As the holy mushroom theory
develops and the world becomes
592
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:43,590
aware of it, perhaps the
biggest revelation to come
593
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:47,100
is not an encouragement
to take these substances,
594
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:49,440
but at the very least,
to balance the view
595
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,080
that the modern
culture has taken
596
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,270
on psychedelic plants and their
role in spiritual pursuits.
597
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:59,430
598
00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:03,030
Up next, join us as we take a
look at the potential future
599
00:30:03,030 --> 00:30:06,810
of psychedelics in society and
where the merging of those two
600
00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:08,900
might take us.
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00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:18,176
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