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>> The story of psilocybin,
or commonly known as magic
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mushrooms, is a long
and controversial one.
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Because of Hollywood, Disney
films, and word of mouth,
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psychedelic mushrooms have been
given a serious reputation.
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Are they drugs?
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Are they medicine?
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Are they safe?
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Are they keys to heaven or hell?
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Let's put the rumors
aside and investigate
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what we know to date.
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It has been suggested that
because psilocybin mushrooms
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most commonly grew in
droppings of cattle
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and these animals have
been revered and followed
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by many humans and religions
for thousands of years,
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it is unlikely that our
ancestors disregarded
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these mushrooms and
ignored experiencing
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their mind-bending effects.
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What exactly is the mysterious
world of the magic mushroom
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experience?
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What is the latest scientific
research showing us?
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What are the most cutting edge
and cultural uses of them?
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And what might they
be trying to teach us?
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These strange beings
have been speculated
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to predate the human race.
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They may be able to
survive intergalactic space
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travel and even volatile
entry into Earth's atmosphere,
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floating from unknown distances
to our planet, our species,
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and into our minds.
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Mushroom species outnumber
plant species 10 to 1,
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and their mycelia
spreads far and wide
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under the Earth to connect with,
communicate to, and integrate
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a fractal web across
many life forms.
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Terence McKenna wrote
from the perspective
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of the mushroom in the book
"Psilocybin: Magic Mushroom
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Growers Guide," "I am
old, older than thought
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in your species, which
is itself 50 times older
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than your history.
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Though I have been on Earth
for ages, I am from the stars.
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My home is no one planet.
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From many worlds scattered
through the shining
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disk of the galaxy
have conditions
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which allow my spores an
opportunity for life."
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His brother, ethnobotanist
Dennis McKenna,
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traces this mysterious
spore's historical use.
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>> The mushrooms
were used in Mexico,
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the psilocybin mushrooms
by the Aztecs, the Mayans,
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and probably the Mazatecs,
and even older cultures.
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So that's the
epicenter of the use
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of these Psilocybe cubensis,
which grows on cow dung
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and is a globally
distributed mushroom.
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They'll show up pretty much
in any pasture in the tropics
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where you have cattle.
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So they had to be around
for millions of years,
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you know, or many hundreds
of thousands of years,
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probably in proximity
to human civilizations
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or nomadic tribes,
if they had cattle.
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But then we also
know there's evidence
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they were used in Europe and
probably in South America,
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maybe in Africa, maybe in Asia.
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So how long have they been used?
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There's no way to know.
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But I would like to think they'd
been used a very long time.
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>> Because most of the classical
psychedelics require human
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intervention, psilocybin
mushrooms were probably
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the first psychedelic
to be discovered,
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as they grew anywhere in the
tropics or subtropical climates
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and would appear sprouting from
the droppings of large animals
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like cows.
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They could stand as much
as a foot tall with a cap
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the size of a dinner plate.
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It's likely that the
first wave of experiences
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with eating these
mushrooms would
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have made the individual think
that they had been poisoned.
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But after a while, the
phenomena would likely
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have been seen as divine,
otherworldly, and, quite
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possibly, an experience
with death and rebirth,
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a resurrection of the psyche.
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When the Spanish
conquistadors spread
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through present-day Mexico
exploring new lands,
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they encountered many
indigenous groups
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practicing peculiar rituals.
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The 16th century Aztec
statue of Xochipilli
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was found in Southern
Mexico with engravings
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of sacred psychoactive plants
like tobacco, Morning Glory,
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along with several
other flowers,
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and the Psilocybe
aztecorum mushrooms.
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Maya archaeologist
Stephen De Borhegyi
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believed that hallucinogenic
mushroom rituals
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were central to Maya religions.
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The mushroom stones
of the Guatemalan
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highlands date to
at least 1,000 BC
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and are believed to have
been used to honor and grind
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the dried mushrooms before use.
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There are some that believe
that these mushrooms,
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or the ergot fungus
that grew on barley,
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were used in the Eleusinian
Mystery's fabled Kykeon brew.
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>> The question is, what were
they offering to these people
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that they kept the attention
of the antique world for 2000
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years?
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It's a long time.
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I mean, fads come and go.
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But what they were
doing was quite--
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not quite clear until Albert
Hoffman discovered LSD.
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Steve Gordon Wasson, who brought
the Mexican magic mushrooms
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from the Mazatec culture and
Carl Ruck, a Greek scholar.
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They spent several years,
very, very meticulous research,
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and they came to the conclusion
that the key was a beverage,
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sacred beverage, which
was called Kykeon,
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K-Y-K-E-O-N that was
administered in a very critical
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part of the ceremony.
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>> These mysterious events
spanned from 1,600 BC to 392 AD
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until Theodosius I
closed the sanctuaries.
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The exact recipe has
never been found,
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and the last remaining
hints of the mystery school
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was demolished by King
Alaric of the Goths,
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who brought a Christian invasion
to destroy the old sites.
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This invasion was the
beginning of a long reign
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of the new religion
in town, forbidding
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the use of plant sacraments.
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Now, fast forward to 1955.
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R. Gordon Wasson, who is an
amateur mycologist and banker
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to JP Morgan, made his
way to Sierra Mazateca
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in Southern Mexico to visit a
curandera named Maria Sabina.
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In this shamanic
village, Sabina was
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known for healing her community
with powerful mushroom rituals.
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She agreed to welcome
Wasson into one
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of the rituals in good faith
that he could take pictures,
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but none were allowed
to be published.
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This was to maintain the sacred
space of those being healed
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and to protect the village
from outsiders knowing
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too much of their rituals.
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So Wasson agreed and
proceeded to take
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private pictures of Maria
Sabina calling in the mushroom
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spirits for healing.
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>> She said the spirits in
the mushrooms, the ninos,
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little children, were the ones
that she worked with in concert
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with the mushroom entities
for healing for her patients.
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So, Gordon Wasson went down,
and had a photographer,
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and had a team of people,
and published this in 1957,
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a hit in "Life Magazine"
in 1957 and then
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got into every home
in middle America
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and basically initiated
the psychedelic '60s in '57
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by telling people that
this mushroom existed
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in New Mexico, which altered
consciousness and had
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this shamanic lineage.
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>> On May 13, 1957,
"Life Magazine"
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published Wasson's photographs,
and the story of the mushroom
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rituals swept through
the Western world.
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Flocks of Americans began
to flood this small town
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in search of the most
mind-expanding experience they
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could find.
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Sabina was reported as saying,
it doesn't work in this way.
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The spirits of the
mushrooms helped
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to heal humanity from illness
instead of introducing them
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to God.
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But by this point,
the Western world
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was hypnotized by
the claims being
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made about these mushrooms,
and shortly thereafter,
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the university studies began,
but not without pushback.
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>> There is nothing smart.
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There's nothing grown up or
sophisticated in taking an LSD
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trip at all.
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They're just being
complete fools.
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>> Don't you feel that it's
wrong to encourage the use
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of these illegal drugs
by college students.
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This is, in effect,
admitting encouraging
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the breaking of the law?
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>> Well, I never tell anyone
what to do with their body
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because what we're talking
about here is the first and last
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frontier of freedom, my body.
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>> Timothy Leary was a part of
the original psilocybin studies
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at Harvard University.
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40 years after these studies
and after the prohibition
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of psychedelics
finally loosened,
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professor of psychiatry
and behavioral sciences
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at Johns Hopkins University,
Dr. Roland Griffiths,
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took up psilocybin
research once more.
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>> We began our studies in 2000,
and I initiated my interest
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in this because I had taken
a meditation practice up,
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and I was interested in shifts
in states of consciousness.
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I was actually
skeptical about the idea
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that psilocybin
could produce deeply
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spiritually-significant,
mystical-type experiences.
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But indeed, the data spoke very
clearly to us that it could.
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So we did choose psilocybin,
I think thoughtfully.
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One is that most people
at the time we initiated
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this work couldn't
spell psilocybin,
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didn't quite know what
it was, and it certainly
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didn't have the cultural
baggage that LSD did.
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So LSD and mescaline have
very long duration of action,
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more on the order of
12 hours as opposed
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to psilocybin, which
is four to six hours.
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So that makes it a much
more tractable compound
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to work with in a
clinical setting.
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DMT, on the other hand, is
very short acting and can also
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be given with an MAO inhibitor.
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>> An MAO inhibitor makes
DMT last four to six hours.
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But the pharmacology is
more complex and difficult
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to receive approval
from the FDA.
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However, psilocybin
produces similar results
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with far less complexity.
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>> The psilocybin molecule
and the DMT molecule are very
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closely related to one another.
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In a sense, psilocybin
can be rightly described
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as orally-active DMT because DMT
is not normally orally active.
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>> Even though the
molecules are very similar,
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the mind-expanding experiences
aren't as similar as it would
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seem.
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Each psychedelic molecule,
called a tryptamine,
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is structured in a
very specific way
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to trigger specific
neurotransmitters in the brain,
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causing every psychedelic plant
to elicit different effects.
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And it all depends upon
the neurotransmitters
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that the substances play on.
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Serotonin mimicking is the
hallmark of psychedelica.
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Serotonin allows
human consciousness
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to assemble the consensus
reality that we typically
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inhabit, and it even forges
our sense of self and identity,
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and psilocybin mushrooms break
down the rigid perceptions
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of normal waking consciousness.
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>> Psilocybin appears acutely
to decrease activity within
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a certain network of brain
hubs called the default mode
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network.
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And that network is very active
under conditions of vigilance
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and depression, and
it's deactivated
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when people are, for instance,
long-term meditators.
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And it's thought that
that area is somehow
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tied up in with respect to
self-referential processing,
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a sense of self.
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It turns out that
psilocybin decreases
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default mode networking
or functioning much
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as the same way that
meditation decreases
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activity in that brain center.
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And that brain center happens
to be activated in depression.
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So that might account for
anti-depressant effects
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of psilocybin.
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>> The fact that brain imaging
is now showing similar results
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between the benefits of
psilocybin and meditation has
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not only confirmed what
Tim Leary, Richard Alpert,
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and Ralph Metzner were looking
for in the original Harvard
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studies, it seems to lend to the
healing properties of ancient
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shamanic tribes as well.
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For the experiences met
within the psilocybin trip
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are seen by spiritual
adepts to be mere glimpses
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into the higher domains.
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They are not necessary
to get us there.
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And if done
irresponsibly, they will
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atrophy our inner
faculties that allow
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us to achieve these states
without these substances.
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So the judicious
use of psychedelics
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are seen by many to be merely
the reminder that these states
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exist, that inner
healing is possible,
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that human consciousness
is not static,
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but an ever-evolving phenomena.
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Therefore, long-term meditators
and psilocybin volunteers
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at Johns Hopkins are tapping
into their own neurology
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and disrupting the inner
identity that is unwell.
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What does it mean that
de-stabilizing people's sense
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of self can be
useful in healing?
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Is it because human illness lies
in our beliefs about ourselves
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and how we fit into
the world around us?
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Why are the same effects
seen in long-term meditators?
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>> They are fundamentally
re-organizational experiences
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that people describe as having
a sense of interconnectedness
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of all people and things,
a sense of sacredness,
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a truth value and authenticity
to the experience that they
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find uniquely compelling and
authoritative, positive mood,
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a sense of love or
open heartedness,
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transcendence of time and
space, and then another feature
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described is ineffability.
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They find it difficult to put
these experiences in words.
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>> Whether it's caused by
a psychedelic substance,
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the act of meditation,
or caused spontaneously,
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recalling mystical-type
experiences in words seems
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to pale in comparison to
the underlying meaning.
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However, whether the
experience itself
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can be spoken about or
not, psilocybin mushrooms
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are being found to help with a
number of epidemic-level health
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issues in the modern world.
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>> The spectrum of therapeutic
effects are great, you know,
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anxiety in terminal
patients, anxiety about--
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existential anxiety for
people who are dying.
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That's one.
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PTSD, it's promising for that.
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It looks promising
for addictions.
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There's been spectacular work
on psilocybin and smoking
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cessation, which is
kind of unexpected,
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but it's very effective
for smoking cessation.
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Depression is another one.
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Depression is being identified
as these FDA protocols are
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advanced, and
psilocybin can have
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a therapeutic effect on it.
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>> While so many mental and
physical health issues are
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given hope in the face of
new psilocybin research,
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the fact that
federally-controlled research
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is being overseen by someone who
is open to studying and mapping
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even the abstract phenomena
that fill people with purpose
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and meaning is hopeful to those
who believe that there is more
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than meets the eye behind
these psychedelic journeys that
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people are explaining.
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>> I think that the most
compelling and remarkable
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finding across all of our
populations is that psilocybin,
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when administered under these
conditions to people who have
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been carefully screened and
prepared and then received
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psilocybin in a setting such
as this when they are laying
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on a couch, and have eye
shades on, and headphones,
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and they're in the presence
of people who have developed
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rapport and trust with them,
that the great majority
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of these people have these
remarkable experiences that,
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in fact, map on to
naturally-occurring,
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mystical-type experiences.
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>> When the mindset and physical
setting has been carefully
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constructed for a
healing experience,
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there is an abundance
of accounts of not only
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the occurrence of healing, but a
congruent sense of a deep inner
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knowing that the healing is
beyond physical mechanisms
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alone, that an underlying
universal shift is taking
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place, and the whole
being, not just the body,
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is receiving healing, that we
are more than what we could
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ever conceive of and, in
fact, we are all different
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expressions of the
same underlying fabric.
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And because these
mushrooms reliably
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bring about these
experiences, the neurology
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can finally be analyzed
in a scientific setting.
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>> We know that people have
such experiences in absence
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of psychedelics, but under
these special set and setting
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conditions, we can occasion
these experiences at very high
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probability.
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And that opens this up
to the interrogation
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by scientific method so
we can now ask questions
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about the nature of
these experiences
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and the transformative changes
that heretofore couldn't
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be asked because we didn't
understand what processes
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or what conditions
optimize the probability
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of these experiences.
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>> Because scientific technology
has advanced considerably since
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the 1960 Harvard studies,
psilocybin effects on the brain
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are far more understood today.
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With the destabilization
of the default mode network
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in the brain, causing for
internal neural communication
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to change dramatically,
we have a glimpse
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at what functions of the
brain hold trauma in the body.
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Most physiological illness that
has been conditioned into us
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is seen as unhealthy
communication
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between brain regions.
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When someone has the
opportunity to view
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their life, their beliefs, their
world, and the interactions
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between them all in a new
and unbiased perspective,
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as psychedelics
often do, it seems
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that the innate intelligence
of the human being
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can identify the
communication error
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and bring neurochemical
processes back into balance.
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Whereas most pharmaceutical
meds address symptoms only,
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and most of the time
merely mask them,
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psilocybin is being
seen to address
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the source of these
symptoms, causing
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a lasting rippling effect
into all areas of life.
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>> I think that the most
interesting feature is not that
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these drugs produce these
acute salient effects,
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but that these effects are
remembered, and there--
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and there become attribution
points for which people say,
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you know, I remember that
experience every day.
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My life has changed
because of it.
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My attitudes have
changed because of it.
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We really only, at this
point, have the faintest hint
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of what kind of network
processes, what kind of brain
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processes, are altered.
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Exactly which networks are
involved and how they interact
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is still largely
a mystery to us.
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>> Perhaps science is still
unable to definitively map
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the neurological
basis of psilocybin.
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But new advancements are
seeing in our understanding
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of these mushrooms'
effects on the brain.
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Meanwhile, to arrive at the
mind bending and life changing
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experiences that
they afford, people
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have been left to
secretive methods
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to get their hands on them,
keeping this age-old sacrament
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and it's shamanic use
alive in the underground.
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>> Mushrooms are recolonizing
the world right now one
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basement at a time.
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A lot of people are
growing this medicine
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and are using it
with sacred intention
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and not speaking
about it very much.
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It's a very personal
experience for them.
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And people are cultivating
mushrooms both for large
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experiences, being spiritual,
trans-personal experiences,
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but people are also primarily
cultivating this medicine
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for micro dosing and using low--
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incredibly low doses
of psilocybin mushrooms
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pretty regularly for the
treatment of depression,
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anxiety, or to provide a
little more energy than they
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would normally have.
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>> Micro-dosing psychedelic
plants has been popularized
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mostly by Dr. James Fadiman,
who after 40 years of experience
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has called this sub-perceptible
dose a problem-solving amount.
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Whereas moderate doses
are effective for therapy,
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and high doses for spirituality.
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And because of
this, the phenomena
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has recently found itself
in unsuspecting places
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like the workplace
in Silicon Valley
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and other analytical
occupations.
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>> A lot of software
engineers, myself included,
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tend to be victims of
constrained thinking,
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or we think very logically
and analytically like this is
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the way.
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Like you know, you start seeing
code everywhere in everything
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you look at.
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But the psychedelics
just take all of that,
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and rip it up, and
tear it into pieces,
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and you're like, oh,
my god, I don't really
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know what I know anymore.
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And that can be really difficult
and really, really amazing.
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And so like, with engineering,
what it tends to do
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is I'll like get stuck
on a problem, you know,
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like maybe it's some
engineering solution.
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I just can't think of
anything, and I sit with it,
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and then I just
like suddenly, like,
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I can almost see the
problem I'm working on,
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like in three dimensions,
you know what I mean?
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Like my eyes closed or
whatever and to just see it
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in a new way.
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>> Dosage is the most surefire
way to dramatically change
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the effects gained from
psychedelic mushrooms.
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Terence McKenna is
known for categorizing
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what he called the
heroic dose at 5
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or sometimes 5 and 1/2 grams.
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To most, this would be
considered an amount enough
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to elicit a
spiritual experience.
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Psychologist and
author Rick Strassmann,
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aside from his
famed DMT research,
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also administered
psilocybin to volunteers
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in a lesser-known study.
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>> The kinds of
psilocybin doses,
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which are now being called
high, were just, you know,
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barely threshold psychedelic
in our volunteers.
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And, yeah, our final
large dose of psilocybin,
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if we had continued
with the studies,
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would have been twice what is
considered a high dose now.
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So that's what was
the main finding.
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You know, we just
pushed the dose more
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than anybody had ever pushed it.
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>> The doses in Dr. Strassmann's
studies were over 8 grams.
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This is almost twice as much as
Terence McKenna's heroic dose.
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>> Now, we know that the
probability of having salient
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experiences increases
as a function of dose.
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But the probability of
having difficult experiences
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also increases as
a function of dose.
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But I should say
that very often, it's
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those deeply uncomfortable
experiences that
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provide a window of opportunity
through which, if people can
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investigate and go
through, they'll
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open into larger experiences.
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So, very often experiences
that people will subsequently
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describe as having
been difficult
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are among the most interesting
and meaningful to them.
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>> Trauma is typically deeply
uncomfortable at the moment
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of its adoption, as it's an
experience that is too intense
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or complex to
process all at once.
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So the memory is stored in
the neurology and the tissues
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of the body, awaiting a moment
to resurface and continue
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being processed so it can
finally be surrendered and let
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go of.
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Perhaps that is why these
larger doses are useful.
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They de-stabilize the
habitual processes
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of the brain, which likely
serve as a distraction
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and suppressant of trauma and
unwanted aspects of the psyche.
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But once this neural
habituation has destabilized,
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the natural healing
intelligence of the human being
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goes into housecleaning mode,
and old wounds are addressed.
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But what happens
beyond these doses?
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There are accounts from Kilindi
Iyi, a martial arts instructor
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and mycologist, who
regularly takes 30-plus grams
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in one setting, six
times the heroic dose.
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The experience, as
he publicly noted,
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is beyond language,
beyond the five senses,
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and deeply embedded in
a world of symbolism
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and primal forces
that obliterate
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the concepts of space time.
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At these astronomical
doses, he mentions
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that the set and
setting has less
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of an impact on the
journey to come.
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Higher doses become less
therapeutic and far more
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mystical.
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The mystical experience may
be deeply transformative.
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However, it can
also be traumatizing
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to experience such intensity to
the untrained or uninitiated,
493
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which is counter-intuitive
to the purpose
494
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:44,970
of the therapeutic doses.
495
00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:48,780
In Maslow's hierarchy of
needs, the feeling of safety
496
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:53,550
is second only to food, water,
warmth, and rest, and you
497
00:26:53,550 --> 00:26:55,860
can rest assured that
most of those needs
498
00:26:55,860 --> 00:27:00,120
may not be met with higher
doses of psilocybin either.
499
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A child entering
this world instantly
500
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latches on to
predictability and sources
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of safety and sustenance
from parents, environment,
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00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:10,160
and culture.
503
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,410
Anything less causes anxiety,
fear, and eventually trauma.
504
00:27:15,410 --> 00:27:19,820
Psilocybin mushrooms, even in
moderate doses of 3 to 4 grams,
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00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:22,760
tends to dissolve our
grip on these needs.
506
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,890
5 to 8 grams pushes
this boundary
507
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to the limit of
consensus sanity.
508
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,410
Some believe that
nothing valuable
509
00:27:30,410 --> 00:27:32,330
lies beyond that limit.
510
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:36,140
Nothing out there can be brought
back here and made sense of.
511
00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:38,930
But as we see with
psychonauts of DMT
512
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or initiates of
the mystery schools
513
00:27:40,670 --> 00:27:43,430
like Eleusis,
pushing the envelope
514
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,470
is the name of the game.
515
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:47,630
Venturing where no
one has gone before
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00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:50,900
is born into some
seekers' very nature.
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00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,420
Many believe that psilocybin
affords the initiate
518
00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:55,910
or volunteer an
opportunity to experience
519
00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:58,290
death and return from it.
520
00:27:58,290 --> 00:28:01,940
>> So this work with psilocybin
and these reorganizational
521
00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:07,050
kinds of emergent experiences
that come out of that speaks
522
00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:14,570
very deeply to my own interest
and longing in understanding
523
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:17,640
the nature of consciousness.
524
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,870
It seems to me that the
fundamental question
525
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:25,190
that we as humans
are faced with is,
526
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:27,140
what are we really doing here?
527
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:31,310
How is it that we've come to
be in this sea of consciousness
528
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:32,600
and awareness?
529
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,600
You know, what's
really going on here?
530
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,950
What happens when we die?
531
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:41,195
How did this whole
phenomenon come about?
532
00:28:41,195 --> 00:28:45,410
These are the existential
questions of life,
533
00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:49,340
and personally, I
can't think of anything
534
00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:52,940
more interesting and
intriguing, and I
535
00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:58,250
think that psilocybin and
work with these compounds
536
00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:02,360
provides a unique
doorway into exploration
537
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,800
of these sorts of experiences.
538
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,370
>> As science barrels into the
future with new technologies
539
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:13,640
to study ancient methodologies
for healing and spiritual
540
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,810
transformation, are we finally
on the verge of understanding
541
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:21,110
these psychedelic substances and
their unique effects on human
542
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:23,960
consciousness and
neurochemistry?
543
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,990
If psilocybin is the oldest
classical psychedelic
544
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:30,170
with widespread
shamanic use, perhaps we
545
00:29:30,170 --> 00:29:33,530
are in the midst of a revival
of the old Eleusinian-style
546
00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:36,890
mysteries, and perhaps
these mysteries are finally
547
00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:42,080
being decoded and widespread,
a large-medicine heavily
548
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,860
suppressed, demonized,
and misunderstood finally
549
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:49,590
back into the hands of those who
intend to heal the world's ills
550
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:53,060
and voyage into the unknown.
551
00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:55,100
Another highly-suppressed
and controversial
552
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:57,320
mind-expanding
plant species that
553
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,860
has been with humanity for ages
is the North American peyote
554
00:30:00,860 --> 00:30:03,650
cactus and its sister
in South America known
555
00:30:03,650 --> 00:30:06,650
as huachuma or San Pedro.
556
00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:09,260
Up next, join us
as we investigate
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the history of psychedelic
cacti use among indigenous
558
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:15,140
across the New World
and how they mirrored
559
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:18,320
ancient Greek initiations
as well as prophecies
560
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,520
surrounding the unification
of shamanic tribes everywhere.
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00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,270
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