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- I
- consider dunking an art form.
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We're creating our masterpiece
as we soar through the air.
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That's called art.
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I wanted to show
that I was a showman,
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and I was an entertainer.
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Vince could just imagine himself
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doing something
with a basketball,
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and then he could go do it.
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And
that's where I've been for 22
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years in the same mentality.
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To play as many years, you
have to grow as a player,
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improve as a player.
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That's not easy.
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For him to maintain his
excellence for this long
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is incredible.
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He will stand alone in a
really unique place, because he
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just kind of took his
own path and evolved
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into this amazing story.
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Here's how you
know what a big deal
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it is that Vince
was able to do it
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and you know how hard it is...
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Because no one else could.
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That's how you know, right?
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If it was easy,
everybody would do it.
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If it was easy, anybody
else would have done it.
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Guess what?
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No one ever has.
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That tells you how important
Vince Carter was to the game,
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and that this moment
must be respected.
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- I
- always talk about the
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ending and trying to see what
does the ending look like.
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What does it look like?
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What does it feel like?
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How do I handle it?
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I make this now, at
this age, my time.
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And then once I
get to the arena,
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just kind of goes
from that me time
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to work time and just focusing
on preparation for the game.
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Because, like I say, it
takes me longer to get ready
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than any of the other guys.
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What's up, man?
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You good?
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All right.
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All right.
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I value these rides to the arena
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now this year more
than ever, because,
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like I said, from here on out...
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it won't be
a ride to the arena to get
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ready for a basketball game.
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Now it turns to work mode.
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The most difficult thing was
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believing that it's at the end.
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And that it's time.
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Good.
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Because
you never think it's time,
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but your body let's you
know when it's time.
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But that's the most difficult
thing... actually saying
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to yourself, OK, it's over.
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That's the most difficult
thing for any athlete.
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Is it kind of hard to accept
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that there is no ceremony?
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No fanfare?
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I'm not one for the
whole thing, anyway.
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So, if you ask a lot of people
around me, they'll tell you...
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You know, I'm...
I'm one that, like,
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I'm appreciative, but, you
know, I do my time and just walk
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out the door is OK with me.
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You know?
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Believe it or not,
but it's cool.
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Believe me, no it's cool.
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I, uh...
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I just... think it's been good.
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Vince grew up in a pretty
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upscale suburban neighborhood,
was a good student at school.
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He got his work,
stayed out of trouble.
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My entire family
are all educators of some sort.
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School teachers,
principals, you name it.
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So that's kind of how
our household was.
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I taught him
in my English class, which
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was wonderful, because I knew
he would do all the assignments
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and do what he had to do because
that was required of Vince,
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above everything else.
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We were a small family
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in the bigger scheme of things.
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It's my brother and I, and then
sometimes just the three of us.
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My aunt had one child,
and that was it.
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My memory is always in the gym.
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We always ended up in the gym.
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It was very structured.
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You had what was expected.
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You know your dos and don'ts,
pleases and thank yous.
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Like, I mean, you were
taught to be polite.
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Both of our mothers
very strong women.
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Very strong women.
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Neither one of them
played any games with us.
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And Miss Michelle didn't
play with anybody.
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My only thing was being
an educator is to try
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to develop the whole child.
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You're not just going
to be an athlete.
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Vince played on his first
organized team at 7.
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Vince always played one
league up from his age.
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You couldn't find any
kids anywhere that had
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what we describe as
"God-given talent"
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that he has in that sport.
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He was, even at a young age,
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always trying to be better
at what he was trying to do.
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He was in the band.
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He started playing the
saxophone in the fifth grade.
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Fast forward to the
end of their season,
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and he's first chair saxophone.
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His stepfather
was the band director,
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so you didn't play there either.
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I mean, you didn't play around.
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You went and did
what you had to do.
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But he just always excelled
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at basketball and, for
that matter, at volleyball,
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when he tried that.
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He went out for high jump
on the spur of the moment,
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he didn't even have
on the proper shoes.
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And he went out there and won.
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The fact that he even
dunked for the first time
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when he was in sixth
grade was crazy.
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The things he was doing
as a young boy, many people
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couldn't do.
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And you know, at that time,
Vince also played football.
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He was a quarterback.
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And I can remember after
one game, my husband
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Dennis going to
Michelle and saying,
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get him off the football team.
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He is a talented
basketball player.
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He's going to get
hurt out there.
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Get him off.
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My husband was rather forceful,
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and we were all good friends,
but he was sincere about that,
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because he felt
that Vince was going
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to go places in basketball.
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Featuring the Daytona
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Beach Mainland Buccaneers.
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Goal by Vince Carter.
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I think when it finally hit
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me was when he was at Mainland.
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At Mainland, in the old
gym, it was like prime time.
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I was always asking,
why do we have
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to get there during the freshman
game when there's two other...
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We have to watch another game
just to watch Vince's game.
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And that's how packed it was.
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If you weren't there by the
end of the freshman game,
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you were not getting a seat.
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That's the court we used
to play on right there.
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Sports was our way of peace
and our way to find a way
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to get out of our environment.
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By the time we got
to high school,
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we was already grown
and ready to go.
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15, Vince Carter.
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When you have such
a marquee player, and a player
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with national notoriety,
everyone wants a front seat
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to experience that.
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We used to play
our game at 7 o'clock at night.
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We had a line of people trying
to buy tickets in our gym.
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And it got to the point where
we had a gym full with people
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in both stands.
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It was amazing.
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Like, every game, no matter
where we went, was jam-packed.
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It was standing room only.
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At that time, he was getting
taller and taller and taller.
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My freshman year
in high school was like 5'7".
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And I was a point guard.
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And I ended up being
the starting point
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guard my freshman year.
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And then got to 6'1"
my sophomore year.
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I just moved up in position...
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as I got taller.
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In my senior year, I
was like 6'5 ", 6'6".
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There was a high school
All-American basketball
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game in Detroit at the Palace.
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And so Kevin Garnett
and Shareef Abdur-Rahim
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and Paul Pierce and
Stephon Marbury.
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They're all there, and
Vince Carter is there.
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I'm one of the judges for
the slam dunk contest.
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And so Vince, he comes
out and does one dunk.
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And no one wants
to go after him.
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I've never seen somebody
win a slam dunk contest
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with just doing one dunk.
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When he
actually made drum major,
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oh my gosh, it was just
like one other thing
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that a lot of people
will come to see,
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because you will
never think, OK,
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Mr. Basketball is
actually going to be
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the highlight of halftime.
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But he would be just
dancing and just thinking
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that he's the best
dunker of all time, which
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I think he still thinks that.
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It was very easy to spot him.
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Usually, he would tell me,
Tiff, I'm gonna be on the 40,
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I'm going to be on the
30, I don't need that.
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Because he was always towering
over the whole entire band.
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Seconds later, he's on the
court having to play a game.
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So he was like...
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He was, like, versatile.
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I was like, OK, dude,
like, you're doing...
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You're going to be the drum
major and you're going to...
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do basketball
all at the same time?
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And of course he did it.
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It's funny when I say
this, my dad played football,
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but he was also in the
band as a young kid.
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He definitely influenced me
and pushed me when I would
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come down to visit in Orlando.
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He'd have me out
there, whether it's
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working on my game on my shot.
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His dad got remarried
to my next door neighbor,
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so he was always...
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Just when he visited his
dad, he'd be next door,
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and we'd play.
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I, um...
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He's my dad, so I respect him.
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And it's no... this is
gonna go along the lines
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of everything else about me...
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I never felt the need
to bash him publicly.
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It's tough sometimes, because
he was very influential
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in the Orlando area.
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And a lot of kids that
he touched because he
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did the midnight basketball.
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And he was, like, big.
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So when you hear his
name, you hear my name,
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people think it's
me, but it's him.
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But he was so influential
and a lot of kids
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grew up and, like... so when
I started living in Orlando,
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these kids now are
growing up just like, man,
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your dad, your dad, your dad.
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Because, like, he's a big
time coach around there,
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and he's very influential
in kids' lives
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and in growth and success.
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In influence in basketball,
he had some influence.
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He and my uncle, Oliver Lee...
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My uncle played in
the NBA for a couple
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of years, played at Marquette.
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He used to heckle me
like nobody's business.
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When you hear him, you hear him.
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He's like, yo, take
that dude out, man!
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Hey, bro, 15, you
ain't got it tonight!
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Like, he's like, man...
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That's just him.
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Being the jerk helped
you get ready for you
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say you want to be a
professional, well, guess what?
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I know what it's like.
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This is stuff you deal with when
you go on the road and playing
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in a Utah, in Sacramento, where
it's loud and you can't hear,
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or in college, matter of fact.
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You go to Clemson,
you go to Duke,
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this is what you're
going to hear.
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But it's going to
be 19,000 of them.
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Yes, it's an empty gym, it
sounds like this, and it's me,
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and you can hear me loud
and clear, can't you?
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How is it affecting you?
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How are you handle it?
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When we saw there were 77
universities that wanted him
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to be a student
athlete, I thought,
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OK, maybe he's got a chance.
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Somehow, someway, I kind
of got down to six schools...
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Kansas, Kentucky, Florida,
Florida State, Duke, Carolina.
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I remember afterwards,
calling Tommy Amaker, who
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was an assistant coach at Duke.
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And I'm like, what happened?
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Why didn't... why
didn't we get him?
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And why did he go
to North Carolina?
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And so we tried, but
he ended up going
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down the street to Chapel Hill.
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It's hard to say no.
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It's like, you have Dean
Smith, Bill Guthridge.
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It speaks for itself.
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One, it from my mom is like
his expectations for education
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and what he expected of us.
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And we were expected to
see in the first three rows
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of the classroom in the front.
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Pointblank.
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That's what was expected.
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So I could already see
my mom, you could see her
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just smiling at the home visit.
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She was happy about that.
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I was, too.
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She was happy.
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But, like, for me, if both
worlds kind of meshed together,
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and we were both happy, it
was kind of meant to be.
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So I knew I made
the right decision.
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You're at the
University of North Carolina
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Chapel Hill playing basketball.
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Even if you
didn't watch Carolina,
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you saw the highlights.
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It was incredible.
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A Dukee wanted to
watch Carolina just
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to see what kind
of incredible dunk
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that he might have in the game.
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It was a
little bit of an adjustment
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for him his freshman year.
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Then the sophomore year,
he just started to explode.
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We remember Vince at Carolina.
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You know what I mean?
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So we knew what we were getting
ready to witness in the NBA.
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We knew it.
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I don't even watch
college basketball,
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and when Vince was
at Carolina, like,
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it was must-see TV for me.
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That's when I
figured, OK, it looks
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like we might be NBA-bound.
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ERNIE JOHNSON, JR: It
is a night when hopes and dreams
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and butterflies abound.
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Its Draft Night 1998.
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You could tell he was
nervous, because it's draft day.
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You hear, you may go
here, you may go there,
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but you never know.
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The fourth pick was
interesting because I worked
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out for Toronto, obviously.
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Antawn didn't work
out for Toronto.
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With the fourth pick
in the 1998 NBA Draft,
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the Toronto Raptors
select Antawn Jamison
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from the University
of North Carolina.
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He gets drafted.
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It was like, exciting.
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It was like, man, my roommate...
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My college roommate just got
drafted, like, that's cool.
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And then now fifth
pick, we're not sure.
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I remember my agent said
this is a possible pick.
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So we'll see.
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And then, next thing you know,
you hear your name called.
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The Golden State Warriors select
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Vince Carter from the
University of North Carolina.
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All of the things
that you think about for all
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these years just happened.
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And you watch the
draft year after year,
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but now you're
that person there.
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You don't know how to react.
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I remember getting the
hat and putting it on.
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And I remember
going up the steps,
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and I remember seeing Antawn.
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He was trying to
say something to me.
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And he's mouthing, and I
don't know what he's saying.
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I'm like, what is he saying?
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So I'm trying to,
like, figure it out.
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So I go to shake
David Stern's hand.
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He said, congratulations.
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Stand right here for a second.
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There's about to be a trade.
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I said, OK.
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Toronto has traded the
rights to Antawn Jamison
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to Golden State for
the rights to Vince
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Carter plus cash consideration.
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Oh, shoot, it's for me.
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I covered the Golden
State Warriors when they...
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they drafted Vince, and then
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they traded him for Antawn.
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And it probably goes to the
heart of like the misconception
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of who Vince was.
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Because the Warriors,
at that time,
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were trying to create
a better culture.
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Tell me about this guy's game.
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He's going to be a
tremendous player in the NBA.
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He's gonna be one of those
guys whose name is gonna
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be in the NBA for a long time.
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Even though I
looked at it, I went...
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there's a talent
disparity here between the two.
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We had fought
hard to get Vince drafted.
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The scouts thought that
there were two other players
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that they liked over Vince.
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And I thought, in
watching the video him
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in North Carolina, that
outside of Michael Jordan
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as a North Carolina
athlete, there
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wasn't anyone as close as Vince.
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And he wasn't being
used in what I thought
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his maximum potential was.
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The prior regime that had
left, Isaiah and them,
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had put the word out that
there was no money in Toronto.
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So we basically played that
to the other general managers.
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We'll do this deal with you,
we'll do that deal with you,
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and you got to give us a million
dollars, plus the transaction.
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We had a temporary practice
facility at a local university,
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Glendon College.
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That was OK, certainly not
the standards of NBAs today,
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but for back in
the NBA, it was OK.
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Our president told us, well,
we don't have enough money
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to build a practice facility.
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I asked him, how much
do we need, right?
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So the Vince Carter
trade got us started
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on getting the $3
million we needed
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to build a practice facility.
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So everybody talks about
what he did, and Vince
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created so much value in
the franchise from the night
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he was drafted.
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He independently stabilized
one NBA franchise by himself.
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He legitimized so much
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for the Toronto Raptors.
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Expansion franchise teams,
they're not very good, right?
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I heard someone talking
about the Raptors
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when they first started,
I think the line was,
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when Vince was there, the
Raptors were three years old,
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and like any three
year old, they
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weren't very good at anything.
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You know, we were having
difficulties improving.
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Players didn't want to
go to a losing situation.
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Coming off a tough
season, we're not
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the most attractive
destination for players,
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having only won 16
out of 82 games.
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Besides bringing in Vince,
we brought in Charles Oakley
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and Kevin Willis, two
tough veteran players
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primarily to sort of
establish the culture
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and to provide some
experience and leadership
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to the younger guys.
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And that worked well.
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It was a lockout year, so
we didn't start playing,
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I don't think, until December.
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Vince was our top rookie.
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And my thing was to
give him respect.
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And when you give
it, you receive it.
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And it was very, very easy.
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And after we started to
get to know one another,
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obviously, on the court, off the
court, it became like a family.
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When you have a nucleus of
good veterans around your two
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or three young players...
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Vince, Tracy McGrady,
Alvin Williams...
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Guys like that that
are hungry, guys
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want to learn and take
on this responsibility
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to lead the team...
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And Vince being our number
one guy at that time...
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It was just fun to
watch him develop.
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T-Mac and I were just
out there playing, hooping,
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and just doing what we do.
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And that's what made it cool.
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They complemented each
other well, I believe.
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They played together well,
and they fed off each other.
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When I was asked to
come do this interview,
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I went through my notes,
and I pull out the note from
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February, I think, 22nd of '99.
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It's the 12th game
of a 50-game season.
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We're playing Chicago
at home, and I've
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got all these notes of stuff
that Vince Carter can't do.
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It was just a lot of stuff
running through my mind
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how to continuously improve him.
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You know, I have to
say that I was one
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of the luckiest coaches, because
Vince was one of those players
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that, if you gave
him the "why" of why
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he needed to do something, he
could pick it up very easily.
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Canada was and will
always be a hockey country,
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00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,010
but I think he really
inspired a lot of kids
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to pick up balls and head
to the court, you know?
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I don't think that that was
really something that anybody
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was doing before he came along.
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00:20:56,050 --> 00:20:59,030
But just because of how
electrifying he was,
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his highlight reels, he just
made basketball seem cool.
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00:21:04,170 --> 00:21:07,000
I really think Vince
had a huge impact
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on how people in Canada
appreciate basketball,
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and that exists today.
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It just shows what
Vince is capable of doing.
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Being in college, there's
a lot of excitement
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00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:19,210
coming to the league.
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But he just goes with the flow.
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But he ends up going
to a team in Toronto
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and understanding
that now not just
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that he has a state or city,
but he has a country behind him.
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And he didn't he didn't sell
them short, because he came
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on the scene and he exploded.
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And being able to win
Rookie of the Year
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just showed how talented he was.
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The man that has turned
the slam dunk into an art.
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That's the fabulous
"Dr. J" Julius Erving.
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Dr. J was my hero.
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Point blank, period.
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And he so happened to be
a pretty darn good dunker
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himself.
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Growing up, I taped the
dunk contest every year
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to where I remember sometimes
when you play a tape too much,
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it starts to get blurry, and
the screen starts to jump
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and all that.
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In my prime, I mean, I
started dunking the ball
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when I used to do
clinics for Converse.
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So that was...
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I always gave the
audience a dunk show.
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So I'm trying to figure out
what he's doing pre-routine,
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before that dunk.
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And that's what helped
me expand my creativity.
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You have guys who can jump
really high that can dunk,
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and you got guys who
can jump really high
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with creativity, which
kind of separates
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you from everyone else.
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Playing in the NBA was
a dream, obviously,
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but the dunk contest is
what I, like, I studied.
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Like, I was like, this is it.
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The reason Vince's slam
dunk contest was so good,
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he was just head-and-shoulders
above everybody else.
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It wasn't... as we say,
it wasn't a fair fight.
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I knew he was a favorite.
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I don't know if the world
knew he was a favorite.
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All he did was say, here
come a handful of dunks.
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Good luck to the rest of you.
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Right about now, I am
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thinking about all the
times I tried this dunk,
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and it looked awful.
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As I put that head down, that's
when I was like, we got this.
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Let's go home!
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Let's go home,
ladies and gentlemen!
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It was all before
he even got to the finals.
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Really, after the first
dunk, that was already it.
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I mean, that was a dunk
I'll always remember.
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I wanted to
set the tone first dunk.
503
00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:51,110
Not, oh, OK, all
right, he's warming up.
504
00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:52,180
No, no.
505
00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:53,170
I'm ready.
506
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,000
I'm here.
507
00:23:55,030 --> 00:23:58,120
Like, if you don't
get on this level...
508
00:23:58,150 --> 00:24:01,110
The dunk contest is on
one side of the floor,
509
00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:03,190
and when Vince would
come up to dunk,
510
00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:06,010
the whole arena would
run to the other side.
511
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,230
It was that crazy.
512
00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:11,110
On this next dunk, I'm
trying to show distance
513
00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:14,090
while doing a windmill.
514
00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:20,130
Kenny Smith, the
only judge not to award a 10.
515
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,220
What's going on?
516
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:26,050
The nine dunk was a
10 in any other setting.
517
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,010
And that first dunk just
set a tone in the building.
518
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,050
But I said, that is the new 10.
519
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,020
So with this
one, we had to use a teammate.
520
00:24:34,050 --> 00:24:36,016
So we get out there, it's like,
all right, what am I doing?
521
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,150
I said, stand right
here and just...
522
00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:41,100
Just bounce it,
and then back up.
523
00:24:41,130 --> 00:24:43,050
He's like, man, what
are you about to do?
524
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,070
I said, you'll see.
525
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,040
Incurred an
injury dealing with weights
526
00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:48,180
in the weight room.
527
00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:50,176
So he's stitched up in the
left hand doing all this.
528
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,150
Oh!
529
00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:53,110
It's over!
530
00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:55,180
It's over, ladies and gentlemen!
531
00:24:55,210 --> 00:24:57,120
I don't have,
like, catchphrases.
532
00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:59,550
And I don't know if he heard me
or not, but at the same time,
533
00:25:00,020 --> 00:25:02,100
he goes like this, "It's over."
534
00:25:02,130 --> 00:25:05,040
And Kenny going crazy
telling me, it's over!
535
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:06,120
It's over!
536
00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:09,110
I just attempted a
dunk that I've never
537
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:11,140
tried before, like somebody...
538
00:25:11,170 --> 00:25:13,190
The dunk gods or
somebody, somebody...
539
00:25:13,220 --> 00:25:14,220
Thank you.
540
00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:17,160
He pointed up at
the rafters like this,
541
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:20,160
and that forever stuck with me.
542
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:23,130
So when it came down to
2016, we were in Toronto,
543
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,160
I made sure I pointed
up just like he did,
544
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:29,040
as a tribute to Vince.
545
00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:30,120
I had to do it.
546
00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:32,170
I am literally
making these dunks
547
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,080
up right here in front of you
tonight and pulling them off.
548
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:37,146
You can't tell me nothing.
549
00:25:37,170 --> 00:25:38,130
It's over!
550
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,000
You can't tell me nothing.
551
00:25:40,030 --> 00:25:43,090
He was a
genius in a physical way,
552
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:47,070
in that, like, he
could just imagine
553
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:50,210
something and then execute it.
554
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,120
You know, these unbelievable
physical acts that,
555
00:25:55,150 --> 00:25:57,020
for most people,
would be like, I got
556
00:25:57,050 --> 00:25:58,206
to do this over and over again.
557
00:25:58,230 --> 00:26:00,120
Dunk number four, what do I want
558
00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:02,230
to accomplish in this dunk?
559
00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:06,200
As I turn around, I said,
like, a quick prayer, OK,
560
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:08,090
don't kill yourself.
561
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,126
So when I walk by, I'm
just rubbing it last second
562
00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:11,100
just to say, just
to kind of prep
563
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:13,126
it for this, because I don't
know if it's going to hurt
564
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:15,000
or not.
565
00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:16,910
And as I go, I just
remember taking that one-two
566
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,120
and jumping up high.
567
00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:20,100
Carter with his
first on the final round!
568
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,040
I close my eyes to hold on.
569
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:29,050
And I wanted to hear nothing.
570
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,180
I think we were just all in
awe of what he did that night.
571
00:26:34,210 --> 00:26:36,120
I just remember landing like...
572
00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:39,030
look around, and the
first thing you're going to see
573
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:40,200
is Shaq's face.
574
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:43,220
And it wasn't that he just
stuck his whole arm in there,
575
00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:46,150
it's like he put it
there and just kind
576
00:26:46,180 --> 00:26:48,160
of gave you a couple of these.
577
00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,100
Because he knew that people were
578
00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:53,090
going to have to catch up with
the idea of what he just did.
579
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,480
Because it wasn't
through the legs,
580
00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:57,070
it wasn't the other things
that he did, it was,
581
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,020
this dude just went so
high that he basically just
582
00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:03,150
jammed his arm into the basket.
583
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:06,170
He said... afterwards,
he said he did stuff
584
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,040
that he had never practiced.
585
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:12,050
So it was like
creativity on the spot.
586
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,020
That's probably
why it was so good.
587
00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:16,010
He just owned the night.
588
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,170
He owned the arena.
589
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,090
And, to me, it will always
be the single greatest dunk
590
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,060
performance that I've ever seen.
591
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:27,080
He's in a class by himself
when it comes to dunking.
592
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:29,150
Like, he's simply in a
class by... you don't...
593
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:31,000
You can mention
whoever you want.
594
00:27:31,030 --> 00:27:33,000
There's some great
dunkers out here.
595
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:35,090
You can mention all
those guys, and I will...
596
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,000
Ditto.
597
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:45,030
But when you try to compare
somebody to Vince Carter,
598
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,050
I don't want to hear it.
599
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,060
It was a whole
different environment.
600
00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:51,200
He ignited a country
with a dunk contest.
601
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:54,170
He put Canadian
basketball on the map.
602
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,100
The Toronto Raptors
basketball team hit the court
603
00:27:58,130 --> 00:28:00,110
at the Air Canada Center.
604
00:28:00,140 --> 00:28:03,030
The crowd went
crazy when the dunk
605
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:06,220
master himself, Vince Carter,
made his grand appearance.
606
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:13,130
Vinsanity, to me, it
means the dawn of a new era.
607
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,120
The dawn of a new culture.
608
00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:16,186
Vince was taking
over the league.
609
00:28:16,210 --> 00:28:18,150
He was going crazy, man.
610
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:21,150
He had now established that
he was more than a dunker.
611
00:28:21,180 --> 00:28:24,220
He was scoring 50 balls,
40 balls, 30 balls,
612
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:26,056
night after night after night.
613
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,060
Half man, half amazing, right?
614
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:30,250
Only I think at some point,
he just became all amazing.
615
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:34,110
You know, with me, like,
we would be in a locker room,
616
00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:40,020
and we knew we was getting
ready to play against Vince.
617
00:28:40,050 --> 00:28:44,090
And all I was just telling the
big men, just watch your head.
618
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,150
You know what I mean?
619
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:49,050
Because he will
make you a poster.
620
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,080
"Vinsanity" is cool.
621
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:52,510
And I think "Air
Canada" is probably
622
00:28:53,010 --> 00:28:54,196
the better one, though, because
I grew up in Sacramento.
623
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:56,150
Jason Williams was
a rookie that year.
624
00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:59,130
This was pre-Instagram,
pre-House of Highlights,
625
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,070
pre-internet, everything.
626
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:04,160
And so, for a guy to be in
Toronto, and it's the, I think,
627
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:07,040
fifth year of the
franchise even,
628
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:09,130
he really opened the door
to the whole country.
629
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,146
And so I think that's the piece,
when you look at the legacy,
630
00:29:11,170 --> 00:29:13,140
that really sticks out
to me is like how much he
631
00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:14,410
could put that city on the map.
632
00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:16,100
Even though he might not
633
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:18,210
have been Canadian, like,
a lot of us kind of just
634
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,120
accepted that he might be.
635
00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:23,010
Like, we want him
to be, and that
636
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,090
was a big part of I think
of a lot of our development
637
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,210
at that age.
638
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,206
With one of
his signature slam dunks,
639
00:29:29,230 --> 00:29:33,000
Toronto Raptor Vince
Carter inaugurated
640
00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:35,080
a new state of the
art basketball court
641
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:37,070
in Etobicoke today.
642
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:40,220
Carter, through his charity,
the Embassy of Hope Foundation,
643
00:29:41,010 --> 00:29:44,180
built an NBA-sized court with
a pro surface and lighting
644
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:48,230
system valued at $130,000.
645
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:51,030
It's a gift to the
kids in the Dixon
646
00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:52,200
and Islington neighborhoods.
647
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:55,060
I just hope it creates a lot
of great basketball players.
648
00:29:55,090 --> 00:29:57,030
I mean, we're not
here to really create
649
00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:59,070
NBA superstars or
anything, but I think just
650
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:01,200
instilling confidence
in each and everybody
651
00:30:01,230 --> 00:30:03,200
here and giving them
some place to play.
652
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:05,140
I'll never forget,
we went to the mall,
653
00:30:05,170 --> 00:30:06,220
I'm with Vince Carter.
654
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:08,066
And at the time, Vince
Carter was, like,
655
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:09,186
really Vince Carter in Toronto.
656
00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:11,076
Like, everybody knew Vince
Carter, so it was, like,
657
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,150
people looking.
658
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:14,020
And then it got to
the point where we had
659
00:30:14,050 --> 00:30:16,230
to run out the mall, like run.
660
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:18,380
We went downstairs,
got to the car,
661
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,166
and when we got in
front of the mall,
662
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:22,120
we got surrounded by people.
663
00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:23,210
Like, it was crazy.
664
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,166
Like, people around
the car, Vince!
665
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:26,200
Vince!
666
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:28,070
Surrounded, but
we couldn't drive.
667
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,000
And I was just like...
668
00:30:30,030 --> 00:30:32,100
awe, like, I was in awe.
669
00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:33,200
My mouth was open.
670
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:35,100
Vince was like, man, I
told you this was crazy.
671
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:38,160
It didn't take long
before Vince's face
672
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:45,060
was on bus benches, buses,
and sides of condos.
673
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:46,210
Just everywhere.
674
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,156
Most players
are playing for their city
675
00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:50,140
or for an adopted fan base.
676
00:30:50,170 --> 00:30:53,210
Playing for and having the
responsibility of not only
677
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,090
being the star for
an entire country,
678
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,180
in terms of that sport, but also
for a relatively new franchise
679
00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:03,050
that basically was
depending on Vince to take
680
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,120
them to the promised land.
681
00:31:04,150 --> 00:31:05,206
The first time they
made the playoffs
682
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:07,090
was because of Vince Carter.
683
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,040
What they were going to do
internationally and sort
684
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:11,116
of making their
mark in the league
685
00:31:11,140 --> 00:31:13,180
was going to be because
of Vince Carter.
686
00:31:13,210 --> 00:31:14,210
That's a lot.
687
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:24,150
Life is a little different.
688
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:26,210
A little more media
coming around.
689
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,066
My confidence is at
an all-time high.
690
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:30,200
I'm playing pretty
good basketball.
691
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:35,050
I received a phone call
from USA Basketball,
692
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:41,040
and them saying, we want you on
because Tom Gugliotta got hurt,
693
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:44,020
and would I accept.
694
00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:45,100
"Would I"... what?
695
00:31:45,130 --> 00:31:47,110
Would I accept?
696
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:50,160
Man, can't even tell
you what I said.
697
00:31:50,190 --> 00:31:53,070
Watching the Dream Team,
watching Dream Team II...
698
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:57,030
So you're talking
about a '92, '96...
699
00:31:57,060 --> 00:32:01,050
We're that next group
after Dream Team II.
700
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,130
I was just elated
to join the group.
701
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
I remember getting that jersey
and taking those photos...
702
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:10,140
because I remember
seeing the original photo.
703
00:32:10,170 --> 00:32:13,080
And then all of a sudden,
I see the new photo,
704
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:15,090
like, they Photoshop
me right on in.
705
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,166
And I was just sitting
there like this,
706
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:19,020
I was like, I took
that picture by myself.
707
00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:21,180
When we got
Vince for that 2000 Olympics
708
00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:24,110
through Australia, we all
knew once he took flight,
709
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:26,000
no one was gonna jump with him.
710
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:27,090
I was excited.
711
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,100
I think Gary Payton
was excited, because we
712
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:32,140
had another weapon that we could
throw a lob to above the rim.
713
00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:34,000
Kidd in the paint.
714
00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:35,050
Still goes right at it.
715
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,060
- I
- don't know how Gary
716
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:38,100
Payton misses that easy layup.
717
00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:40,040
Let's start by that.
718
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:44,130
I'm thankful for it, because
it became a historic play.
719
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,040
It was just one of
those things that right
720
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:48,030
place at the right time.
721
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:50,190
Guy gets the ball, he throws
a behind-the-back pass,
722
00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:57,080
and I see the lane, and I was
like, I'm jumping too far.
723
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:59,210
As I hit him, I'm
looking past him.
724
00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:01,110
Vince Carter inside...
725
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,090
Oh!
726
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,140
Oh!
727
00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:06,150
I'm celebrating
I made it, because I
728
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:08,080
knew I jumped too far.
729
00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:13,110
Meanwhile, KG is cheering for
something totally different.
730
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:17,170
And after the game,
Gary Payton actually had
731
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,170
the play on their camcorder.
732
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,070
That's how I found out
that I jumped over him.
733
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:29,000
When he jumps and takes
off, it's like in slow-mo.
734
00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:32,110
You go, did we just see
him jump over this guy?
735
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:34,020
It was just incredible.
736
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:37,210
You know, that was just a
tribute to his athleticism,
737
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,060
his creativity, and
what a good adrenaline
738
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:43,010
rush can do for a person.
739
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,130
To get over a whole seven-footer
and dunk it clear with barely
740
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,070
pushing off, that's
like one of the most
741
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,100
ridiculous dunks of all time.
742
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:53,060
We still talk
about it to this day.
743
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:55,040
And it kind of
launched the shoe,
744
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:58,000
too, because he was
in a transition,
745
00:33:58,030 --> 00:34:00,080
I think, from Puma to Nike.
746
00:34:00,110 --> 00:34:03,040
And this is when the
Shock was coming.
747
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:06,090
And so when he did
that, it was incredible.
748
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,070
I tried to put on those
Shox, it didn't work for me.
749
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:10,180
I didn't jump like that.
750
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:27,070
Vince, in particular,
751
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:28,060
just didn't have a
great first playoffs,
752
00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:29,060
which of course he didn't.
753
00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:30,220
I think he was 23 years old.
754
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:32,986
You just need the experience
of playing in the playoffs
755
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:34,176
and understanding
what it's about.
756
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,180
Because it's a totally different
basketball game than playing
757
00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:40,020
in regular season at any point.
758
00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:42,230
The Knicks beat us down.
759
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:45,130
Took a little abuse
from the media,
760
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,200
just because, oh, he
couldn't get his team to win.
761
00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:49,150
You know, they were
just better than us.
762
00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:50,220
And we were learning.
763
00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:52,166
And I think T-Mac
had a great series.
764
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:54,160
It was a positive
sign, even though we got swept,
765
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:56,110
I think.
766
00:34:56,140 --> 00:34:58,040
It was those games
were pretty close,
767
00:34:58,070 --> 00:35:00,130
and we showed that we
were pretty competitive.
768
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,170
It was a real sign
that we had, again,
769
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200
taken another big step
forward in establishing
770
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:10,070
ourselves as a good franchise.
771
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,050
One of the key
issues we faced was
772
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,280
the Tracy McGrady free agency.
773
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:17,000
Back then, there was a
different rookie contract
774
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:18,170
when a player got drafted.
775
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,150
The potential loss
of Tracy and his
776
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:24,050
know inability to commit
one way or the other
777
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,200
to signing with us or
another team sort of put
778
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:28,040
the team in a real bind.
779
00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:29,146
You want everything
to be smooth.
780
00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:32,070
When you're trying to
keep a guy like a T-Mac
781
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:36,090
with all the potential, you want
everything in your organization
782
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,220
to be running smooth.
783
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:40,010
And it kind of just started
to get a little bumpy.
784
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,160
In my end the year
meeting, I presented
785
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:49,090
that, if Grunwald and I
could sign Tracy McGrady,
786
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,190
would the franchise consider
moving Grunwald to president
787
00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:55,070
and give me the
coach and GM title.
788
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,190
I think that Tracy, with the
style that they were playing
789
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:02,160
in Toronto and sort of the way
the Raptors coaches used him,
790
00:36:02,190 --> 00:36:05,020
he certainly didn't
feel like a main guy.
791
00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:08,100
And that was part of why he
wanted to depart for Orlando.
792
00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:10,120
I didn't get as much
playing time as he did.
793
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:12,110
That was Vince Carter's show.
794
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:13,196
Couldn't talk me out of it.
795
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:15,100
I mean, I hated...
796
00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:17,026
Vince, I hated to leave you,
but it's a business, baby.
797
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:20,160
I hated to leave, but, you know,
798
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:22,060
I had to do what's best for me.
799
00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:23,220
It hurt a little bit.
800
00:36:24,010 --> 00:36:28,180
You know, but that's the way
it goes, and I slept on it.
801
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:31,030
So what now?
802
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:34,000
But, definitely, it's
tough to swallow.
803
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:36,096
I guess when they feel...
You think they feel one way,
804
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,160
and then they leave, here
comes the truth, I guess.
805
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:41,206
When two guys aren't talking
directly to each other,
806
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:44,100
then it just becomes, well,
he said this about you.
807
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:47,090
What I remember is Charles
Oakley getting in the middle,
808
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,100
basically, and
handing one of them
809
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:51,060
the phone that the other
one was on and saying,
810
00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:52,200
here, work this out.
811
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:56,000
We were too close and too tight
812
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:59,060
and having too much fun
together for this to seem real.
813
00:36:59,090 --> 00:37:02,010
When Tracy elected to leave
to go to the Orlando Magic,
814
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,190
it was...
815
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:05,140
I don't think it hurt
us that much initially,
816
00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:07,070
but I think over
the course of time,
817
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,030
to lose a talent
like Tracy McGrady,
818
00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:12,150
was a big setback for
the long-term development
819
00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:14,030
of the franchise.
820
00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:16,140
When I heard him say,
I'm getting an opportunity
821
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:21,040
to play in front of my family,
my home crowd, like, where I'm
822
00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:24,160
from, I'm like, shoot, if
I had that opportunity,
823
00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:26,000
I'd do it, too.
824
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:27,166
So there's no ill
will, no hard feelings.
825
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:30,080
The sad part was, if Tracy
would have been just drafted
826
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:34,110
out of high school where he
lived and come to Toronto,
827
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:39,060
he would not have had such a tug
of heart to go back to Florida.
828
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:41,190
You know, everyone
wanted to resign Tracy.
829
00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:43,210
Vince wanted him back.
830
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,170
But that was one of those
difficult situations
831
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,000
that an organization
has to go through.
832
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:53,200
Now the fans and everybody
else, all right, T-Mac leaves,
833
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:55,120
what happens to us?
834
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:05,190
Fortunately for us
the next year, we
835
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,220
play the New York Knicks again.
836
00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:10,040
And we were able
to win that series,
837
00:38:10,070 --> 00:38:12,096
and we closed it out on
their court, which was crazy.
838
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,030
PLAY-BY-PLAY ANNOUNCER
4: The game is over.
839
00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:18,110
The Toronto Raptors coming in,
and in only their second year,
840
00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:20,040
making the playoffs.
841
00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:21,076
The fact that
they were able to come back
842
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:22,220
the next year.
843
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:24,086
And I really think it says
something about Vince Carter
844
00:38:24,110 --> 00:38:26,000
that you're playing
the same opponent,
845
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:28,126
you're put back in the same
situation at Madison Square
846
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:30,030
Garden, and they got it done.
847
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:32,110
You have to put past
the historic moment
848
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:33,200
and the big win.
849
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:35,160
Now it's a whole new challenge.
850
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:37,471
It's the next round, It's a
little tougher, because you're
851
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,100
playing a better team.
852
00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:41,000
Here in Philadelphia,
853
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:43,140
we're getting ready before
the 76ers and the Raptors.
854
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:46,120
It's Game 1 of the best of 7,
a match-up of Allen Iverson
855
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:47,170
and Vince Carter.
856
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Whatever AI was
doing for his team,
857
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:52,190
I needed to do for
my team but better.
858
00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:55,190
When you talk about Vince
and AI in that playoff series,
859
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:57,190
it was just one of
those TV moments.
860
00:38:57,220 --> 00:39:03,000
AI was by far one of
the most gifted scores.
861
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:04,140
He was their leader.
862
00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:07,040
And there's another situation
of a guy understanding
863
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:11,120
that he's the man, and his
ability to score was needed.
864
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:18,150
Definitely a war, obviously,
because it came down to Game 7.
865
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:24,110
So it was tough
for us in Toronto.
866
00:39:24,140 --> 00:39:25,156
It was tough for them in Philly.
867
00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:28,110
If you love
basketball, that series
868
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:30,010
was what you wanted to see...
869
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,090
Allen Iverson with just
everything about the playground
870
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,050
coming out in that series.
871
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,210
And then Vince Carter with just
the spectacular athleticism.
872
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,080
And the way he moved, and
you saw it in that series,
873
00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:46,070
it's just like he's
lightning all over the court.
874
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:48,000
And they're going
back and forth,
875
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:50,186
and the fact that that series
got to a game 7 is perfect.
876
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:52,060
We felt like we can go out there
877
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,170
and compete and win the series.
878
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,190
Getting to Game 7, that's
where the pressure was.
879
00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:00,000
We got to figure out
a way to have one more
880
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:02,120
point than this team to
move on to the Eastern
881
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:04,060
Conference Final.
882
00:40:04,090 --> 00:40:07,010
Now, with me, I made a little
tougher, because, that morning,
883
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,320
I chose to graduate
from college.
884
00:40:12,110 --> 00:40:13,030
My favorite people.
885
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:14,060
Mm-hmm.
886
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:22,010
There it is.
887
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,210
My diploma.
888
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,210
It's already been a busy day
for Toronto's Vince Carter.
889
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,110
Vince arrived in Chapel
Hill at about 9:00 AM
890
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:32,180
to attend his college
graduation ceremony.
891
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:34,020
We were having a practice,
892
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:37,050
and I went to every
player on our team,
893
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,360
do you have a problem with this?
894
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,720
I got a "no, I don't
have a problem with it"
895
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:45,100
from every player on the
team, management, whatever.
896
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:53,020
Fly to North Carolina, I get
to the hotel, turn on ESPN,
897
00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:55,116
all of a sudden, there's a
couple of players on the team
898
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:58,180
have now changed their
story and said they
899
00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:01,090
have a problem with me going.
900
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,206
People said one
thing, you got back,
901
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:04,050
and they felt another way.
902
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,080
You want to tell us
who those people were?
903
00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:07,110
No, that's all right.
904
00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:11,170
It's all right.
905
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,196
ERNIE JOHNSON, JR: One of the
most controversial chapters
906
00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:17,010
of his career, there will
be those who say, oh,
907
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,020
how can you do that?
908
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:19,126
You can't do that to your team.
909
00:41:19,150 --> 00:41:22,000
Basketball is not who he
is, it's what he does.
910
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:27,220
Who he is the guy who said,
I made my mom a promise.
911
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:29,180
The Raptors will have a chance
912
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:32,140
to win it at the buzzer.
913
00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:34,176
The play was drawn up for me
to catch the ball at the top
914
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,230
of the three-point line.
915
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:37,186
I remember Tyrone
Hill denies that.
916
00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:39,170
Carter trying to get free.
917
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,120
You've gone
through all the repetitions,
918
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:42,176
and you've prepared for it.
919
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,070
You visualized it.
920
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:45,170
Now execute it.
921
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,100
PLAY-BY-PLAY ANNOUNCER
5: Carter at the buzzer!
922
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:50,140
The first half of that shot,
I'm like, oh, this is good.
923
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:51,130
This is going in.
924
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,190
I think my heart stopped.
925
00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:56,040
You know what I mean?
926
00:41:56,070 --> 00:42:01,000
And it took so long for
the shot to rim out.
927
00:42:01,030 --> 00:42:02,950
So I'm now I'm hoping
for it to hit the back rim,
928
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,066
pop up in the air,
and just fall in.
929
00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:06,080
One of those bounce,
bounce, bounce, go in.
930
00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:08,100
That's what I'm praying for now.
931
00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:10,050
Carter trying to get free.
932
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Carter at the buzzer!
933
00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:13,010
No good!
934
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,230
The Sixers hold on!
935
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:18,070
And that's the
Conference Finals!
936
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:20,190
We had Final aspirations.
937
00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:24,120
And for that shot
right there to go in,
938
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:26,030
it would have been
heartbreaking.
939
00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:31,100
But you flip the script, and
it had to be heartbreaking
940
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:33,030
for Vince and his teammates.
941
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:36,210
Because they got the ball
in the hands of the guy
942
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,050
they wanted it.
943
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,200
You know what I mean?
944
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:42,010
And those guys, you ask them
now, they live with that.
945
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,010
We want Vince to take that shot.
946
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,000
I think they would
rather had Vince
947
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:51,080
take that jumper than
someone else having a layup.
948
00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:52,220
You know what I mean?
949
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:55,130
Because they live
and die with Vince.
950
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,190
And rightfully so.
951
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:59,030
If Vince doesn't
go to graduation...
952
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:00,110
Right.
953
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:02,040
Are you guys in
the Conference Final?
954
00:43:02,070 --> 00:43:03,120
No doubt.
955
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:05,050
That's just ludicrous.
956
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,030
For me, I never had
an issue with that.
957
00:43:09,060 --> 00:43:12,190
I just thought it was a
testament to his character.
958
00:43:12,220 --> 00:43:14,170
He was supposed to
be celebrated for that.
959
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,110
The fact that he did
that shouldn't have
960
00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:20,140
never came up with the loss.
961
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:22,070
It should have never
even been mentioned.
962
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:26,000
And for him to do something so
incredible, how can you make
963
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:28,120
something negative
out of doing something
964
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:31,040
so great, something
that you wanted to do,
965
00:43:31,070 --> 00:43:35,090
something that you
dreamed about doing
966
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,020
and something so positive?
967
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:40,190
As we all know, we
make some, we miss some.
968
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:43,150
But the whole vibe
of that story was
969
00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:46,040
that he wasn't there
for shootaround,
970
00:43:46,070 --> 00:43:48,150
and that's not the reason
why they lost the game.
971
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:50,230
- I
- was disappointed.
972
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:53,090
Let the team down.
973
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,120
Hearing what people had to
say on TV about me going,
974
00:43:57,150 --> 00:44:01,120
about jet lag, about all
of these things that like...
975
00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:03,140
And I'd let that
creep in my mind.
976
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:06,160
The disappointing thing
outside of all of that,
977
00:44:06,190 --> 00:44:08,150
I felt like I didn't
get enough support.
978
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:11,030
This is a great time
to show young kids
979
00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:13,130
how important education is.
980
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,230
Student athlete,
not athlete student.
981
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:20,140
It was a lot to take,
but, with that being said,
982
00:44:20,170 --> 00:44:23,100
I would say
overwhelmed with pride.
983
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:26,080
Anyone who works that hard
for their college degree
984
00:44:26,110 --> 00:44:27,200
deserves that moment.
985
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:30,020
When he made that decision
to go to his graduation,
986
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:32,210
we all was behind him.
987
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Education is so
important, because we
988
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:39,090
know that your career could
be over within a second.
989
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,210
What was lost in that story
was that he got his degree
990
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,110
from North Carolina, we would
all sign up to get our degree
991
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:47,140
and then go to work.
992
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:49,070
And he had that opportunity.
993
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:51,126
It was just kind of like I
was out there left on an island
994
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:54,160
by myself, which I was
willing to stand tall for.
995
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:57,160
Trust in your decision,
stick behind it.
996
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:58,170
And I did.
997
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,120
And I would do it again.
998
00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:10,050
Re-signing there, I remember
talking with my agent,
999
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,080
like, it was a no-brainer.
1000
00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:13,080
It's what what I wanted to do.
1001
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:14,180
I was comfortable there.
1002
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:16,030
I did call Vince and talk to him
1003
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:18,080
about signing his
extension, because I
1004
00:45:18,110 --> 00:45:21,090
wanted him to stay in Toronto.
1005
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,020
But they had overplayed him.
1006
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:29,050
That led him to being injured.
1007
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,210
Some injuries you get where
1008
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,140
you need surgery immediately.
1009
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:40,040
Some injuries you can wait
some weeks to see if it heals,
1010
00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:41,176
and then you kind of
make your decision there.
1011
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,030
Well, with the
knee, the ligament...
1012
00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:47,180
We waited to see what was what,
I ended up needing surgery.
1013
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:52,070
Those were real
injuries that he suffered.
1014
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:55,120
And he missed the
end of the season.
1015
00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:57,180
And the year after
we lost to Philly
1016
00:45:57,210 --> 00:46:02,190
in the Conference Semifinals,
he had surgery, I believe.
1017
00:46:02,220 --> 00:46:05,120
When I got the
surgery, and my knee
1018
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:07,220
continued to swell and swell
and swell, I was like...
1019
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:10,060
people were like,
man, well, he can't come back.
1020
00:46:10,090 --> 00:46:12,070
He just... I'm like, man,
you all see my knee?
1021
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:15,030
Like, I literally had
a Gatorade bottle.
1022
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:16,740
They had to take all
the fluid out, fill up
1023
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:18,260
an entire Gatorade by the full.
1024
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,050
It wasn't done properly,
so I had an infection.
1025
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,150
I'm still a young kid.
1026
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:25,120
I'm pissed that I can't
be out there to play.
1027
00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:27,076
You're talking about you're
taking basketball from me.
1028
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:29,010
Like, that's all I cared about.
1029
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,206
Like, I didn't care
about anything else.
1030
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:35,030
Of course, he was angry
about how he was being treated
1031
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,020
and perceived in Toronto,
right, and the things
1032
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:39,150
that the public
were not privy to.
1033
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:41,220
Some errors in
judgment, perhaps.
1034
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:44,126
Like going to a concert while
he's on the injured list
1035
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:46,140
and getting up on stage
and dancing a little bit,
1036
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:50,120
even though dancing a little
bit is not playing basketball.
1037
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:53,000
You know, those sorts
of things sort of
1038
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:54,146
didn't reflect well on Vince.
1039
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:57,080
And I think he got some
backlash for that kind of stuff.
1040
00:46:57,110 --> 00:46:58,140
I think he's a bum.
1041
00:46:58,170 --> 00:47:00,090
I'm gonna be there to boo him.
1042
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,116
And if I could go on the court
and throw a shoulder to him,
1043
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:03,020
I'd do that, too.
1044
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:04,060
Boo!
1045
00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:05,070
What do you think of...
1046
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:06,170
Vince, you suck!
1047
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,520
What do you
think of Vince Carter?
1048
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:09,010
He sucks!
1049
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,110
Yeah.
1050
00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:12,030
Thanks a lot for all
your hard work, Vince.
1051
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:14,040
It really paid off.
1052
00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:17,090
Vince went from loved to hated.
1053
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,200
He was constantly booed.
1054
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:22,180
Raptors fans were
particularly cruel.
1055
00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:24,040
That's just the nature
1056
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:26,130
of being in the public
eye and being a person
1057
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,030
that everyone is counting on.
1058
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:32,130
And you have to
understand that people
1059
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,090
are going to react to
situations like that
1060
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,100
in sort of a negative fashion.
1061
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:40,000
There's this old saying,
like, your best player
1062
00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:41,230
has to be your hardest worker.
1063
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:44,030
And Vince didn't
have that reputation.
1064
00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:48,060
Vince had a reputation of the
game came really easy to him,
1065
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:51,160
and he would take
the easy way out.
1066
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:55,130
But going from sort
of the Mr. Perfect
1067
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,040
to getting some criticism
is a bit of an adjustment.
1068
00:47:59,070 --> 00:48:03,040
And particularly when you
feel like you are hurt,
1069
00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:05,086
and you're doing your best
you can, and you're trying
1070
00:48:05,110 --> 00:48:06,146
to play through some pain.
1071
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:08,060
If you haven't played this game,
1072
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:10,170
you don't know
what we go through.
1073
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,000
You don't know the
bumps and bruises
1074
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:17,020
and the punishment we take,
I mean, especially back then.
1075
00:48:17,050 --> 00:48:19,070
You know, so they
don't really understand
1076
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:20,170
what a guy goes through.
1077
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,180
So, if a guy is hurt,
and a guy like Vince
1078
00:48:22,210 --> 00:48:24,190
I know who loves
to play the game,
1079
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:26,130
I mean, he's not
faking an injury,
1080
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,020
or he's not trying to
get out of not playing.
1081
00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:30,110
You know?
1082
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:32,030
He wants to be out there
as much as anybody.
1083
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:34,110
But a lot of times, the
people, they want to judge
1084
00:48:34,140 --> 00:48:36,180
your character, your heart.
1085
00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:39,200
And that young man
has a big heart.
1086
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:44,040
It was unfortunate that it
played out to where it was
1087
00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:46,220
saying that he was quitting.
1088
00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:49,090
I think one thing
I read in the media
1089
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,200
was he didn't give it 100%.
1090
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:54,040
If they just took
just a moment and took
1091
00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:57,010
a step back and just got
to know the real Vince,
1092
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,000
they would know how he is.
1093
00:48:59,030 --> 00:49:00,176
They would know
that he always gives
1094
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,140
his all in everything that
he does on and off the court.
1095
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:10,050
Question my love for the
game is the one that pissed
1096
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,070
me off more than anything.
1097
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:18,110
Being questioned for something
you love to do was tough for me
1098
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:19,160
to deal with.
1099
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:36,050
As things started to change,
we get Chris Bosh in now,
1100
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,206
and kind of the
franchise wants to move
1101
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:39,080
in a different direction.
1102
00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:42,030
You can feel the shift in
the interests of... when
1103
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:43,106
I say "interests,"
of who they wanted
1104
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:45,000
to be their franchise guy.
1105
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:48,060
When it came down to that draft,
1106
00:49:48,090 --> 00:49:50,060
we needed another big guy.
1107
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:54,000
And so I thought Chris
would be, again, a good
1108
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:59,090
complement to Vince and add
some talent to our squad.
1109
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,130
The structure was
extremely poor in Toronto.
1110
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,120
And, at the end of the
day, it didn't work.
1111
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:13,200
As Glen Grunwald's
time came to an end right
1112
00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:16,050
at the end of the season, I
remember having a conversation
1113
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,600
with the organization,
like, hey, we're
1114
00:50:18,010 --> 00:50:19,066
gonna be looking for a new GM.
1115
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:22,110
If you got anybody
in mind, let us know,
1116
00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:24,050
and we'll go from there.
1117
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,090
The request came
through their front office.
1118
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,100
I know Vince had something
to do with it, just
1119
00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:37,050
in terms of the ownership
or the management,
1120
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,020
wanting to get the opinion
of their best player.
1121
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:48,070
They invited me up, and
when I went to Toronto...
1122
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:50,190
I was met at the airport.
1123
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:55,020
He didn't really get to go
into the facility and tour...
1124
00:50:55,050 --> 00:50:57,090
As the process should go.
1125
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,050
They didn't appreciate
the different cultures
1126
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,280
between basketball and hockey.
1127
00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:09,150
In hockey, they view players as
more employees, versus the NBA,
1128
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:13,040
I think it's a players' league,
or it's a partnership, I think.
1129
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:18,030
They felt that Vince
became too big for...
1130
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:21,140
His role was, he's
still just a player.
1131
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:26,050
And I think by not necessarily
doing all he wanted to do,
1132
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,000
in terms of the GM search,
was sort of the first step.
1133
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:30,090
I just want to play.
1134
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,030
And if you don't want
me here, move me on,
1135
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:35,040
and I'll get out of your way.
1136
00:51:35,070 --> 00:51:36,030
I don't want to be in your way.
1137
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:37,160
I just want to play.
1138
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:40,010
I just recall having a
conversation with the coach
1139
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,156
at the time, Sam
Mitchell, and I told him,
1140
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:43,010
I don't want to leave.
1141
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,140
It was all directed at
me and demanding to be...
1142
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:50,040
I'm like... I had this
conversation with him.
1143
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:52,160
You hear about
trade possibilities,
1144
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:54,100
and, obviously, my
agent gives me calls,
1145
00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:56,250
and he has updates because
he was talking with the GM.
1146
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,060
I wasn't involved.
1147
00:51:58,090 --> 00:52:00,020
And I don't have any
real inside information.
1148
00:52:00,050 --> 00:52:04,060
I remember I couldn't
believe the trade they made.
1149
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,000
You got a GM to
trade Vince Carter
1150
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:10,040
for a cold six pack of beer.
1151
00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:12,060
And I remember
the day it happened.
1152
00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:13,190
We're in Indiana.
1153
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:19,140
Wake up to like 70-plus
text messages, a whole bunch
1154
00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:20,140
of missed phone calls.
1155
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:22,010
I'm like, what is going on?
1156
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,360
Your heart drops,
and you're like,
1157
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:26,170
all right, so what happens now?
1158
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,520
And I remember
asking Jalen, I was
1159
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:29,086
like, OK, what happens next?
1160
00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:31,060
He's like, well, you
know, you kind of...
1161
00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:33,190
he said, you
kind of get your shit
1162
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:35,180
and go onto the next team.
1163
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:40,010
I never felt like I
had the power to say...
1164
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,150
To dictate what I could do,
because they're the boss.
1165
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,150
What was your first reaction
1166
00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:00,070
when you found out that
now I'm going to the Nets?
1167
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:01,186
Well, first of all,
I couldn't believe it.
1168
00:53:01,210 --> 00:53:03,030
I thought it was a joke.
1169
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:04,030
You know, I thought
my family was playing
1170
00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:05,106
a joke on me and everything.
1171
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:06,530
And once it was a
reality, you know,
1172
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:10,100
you just start thinking,
OK, what do we have
1173
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:11,170
and how can I fit in?
1174
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,020
The first thing you
think of is Jason
1175
00:53:13,050 --> 00:53:15,100
Kidd and Richard Jefferson.
1176
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:18,090
When we get Vince, I'm
all excited in the summer,
1177
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,160
because now I'm like, oh,
we got a chance to win.
1178
00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:22,120
When you're
traded to a new team,
1179
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:24,200
you have new energy
and new life.
1180
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:28,170
That's just naturally.
1181
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,070
I thought we really had a
chance to be successful and win
1182
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:33,110
the East and give the
Western Conference
1183
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:34,200
a run for their money.
1184
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:36,140
I mean, that was an
incredible time watching
1185
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:37,220
Vince play in New Jersey.
1186
00:53:38,010 --> 00:53:40,080
He had RJ, like,
running the right,
1187
00:53:40,110 --> 00:53:42,166
he had Vince running the left,
and J-Kidd was down the middle
1188
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:45,070
just picking and choosing who
he wanted to throw lobs to.
1189
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:48,050
To get to play with a team...
1190
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,000
An up-and-down fast team, play
with a guy like Jason Kidd,
1191
00:53:52,030 --> 00:53:55,070
he made the game easy.
1192
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:58,060
He was trying
to feel his way to fit in.
1193
00:53:58,090 --> 00:54:01,090
And I told him, look, you
fit in the day we got you.
1194
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,180
You just have to be you
and do what you do best,
1195
00:54:03,210 --> 00:54:06,000
and I'll make sure
I get you the ball.
1196
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:07,000
03 seconds left.
1197
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:07,210
Carter with:02 seconds.
1198
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,130
Carter for the win...
1199
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,190
Got it!
1200
00:54:10,220 --> 00:54:12,190
Vince Carter has done it!
1201
00:54:12,220 --> 00:54:14,130
They've been on the floor,
1202
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,060
the Nets have.
1203
00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:18,026
Warming up, the reaction has
not been good for Vince Carter.
1204
00:54:18,050 --> 00:54:19,110
Why?
1205
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:20,176
PLAY-BY-PLAY ANNOUNCER
7: He flat-out told
1206
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,180
the fans he didn't
try or didn't give
1207
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:22,170
it his best when he was here.
1208
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,000
So, yes, they are bitter.
1209
00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:25,150
The first game that he
1210
00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:28,170
returned back to Toronto
was very interesting.
1211
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,090
I was kind of nervous.
1212
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,030
From North Carolina, 6'6" guard,
1213
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:33,230
number 15, Vince Carter.
1214
00:54:36,090 --> 00:54:42,000
The booing was the
worst I've ever heard
1215
00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:46,150
in any sport in my entire life.
1216
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:47,120
He was hurt.
1217
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:48,130
I mean, who wouldn't be?
1218
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:53,110
What human being would not be?
1219
00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:57,080
But he gave it
everything he had.
1220
00:54:57,110 --> 00:55:01,030
That's how you go on,
and you do what you
1221
00:55:01,060 --> 00:55:04,080
did for the New Jersey Nets.
1222
00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:06,060
Like, I was
able to take off to next level
1223
00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:11,140
and just learn how to score
in many different ways on top
1224
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:16,020
of the abilities I had
coming in to New Jersey,
1225
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:18,230
so it was just awesome.
1226
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:33,030
I was traded from New Jersey
to Orlando in the off-season
1227
00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:35,010
during my basketball camp.
1228
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,200
I was hosting a
basketball camp in Orlando
1229
00:55:37,230 --> 00:55:40,230
and have all my kids
in there, and I just
1230
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:44,100
got finished doing a drill
with every kid in the camp, one
1231
00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:46,100
on one, all that.
1232
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:47,146
Tired, and this
guy was like, yeah,
1233
00:55:47,170 --> 00:55:48,130
your brother's on the phone.
1234
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,200
Your brother's calling.
1235
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:51,050
So I guess he called
the camp director.
1236
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,186
I can't remember who
he handed me the phone.
1237
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:56,070
And he's like, bro, you
heard what's going on?
1238
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:57,060
I'm doing a camp.
1239
00:55:57,090 --> 00:55:58,150
What's going on?
1240
00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:00,220
He's like, you just
got traded to Orlando.
1241
00:56:01,010 --> 00:56:02,086
That was a shock
for me, you know.
1242
00:56:02,110 --> 00:56:03,100
They said, you got traded.
1243
00:56:03,130 --> 00:56:04,070
I was like, OK, great.
1244
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:05,210
And I said, OK, where?
1245
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,020
And he told me back home.
1246
00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:09,210
It's just... it's
a dream come true.
1247
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,176
Vince had an opportunity to
go to a team that was a playoff
1248
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,140
team in Orlando that was
competing at a very high level,
1249
00:56:16,170 --> 00:56:20,190
and I thought he fit right into
what they were trying to do.
1250
00:56:20,220 --> 00:56:22,090
He was a piece that could help.
1251
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,150
Once he got to Orlando,
that's when the focus became let
1252
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:31,160
me rely on creating
space jump-shooting,
1253
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:33,080
distributing the ball.
1254
00:56:33,110 --> 00:56:35,186
Because everything was built
to go through Dwight Howard.
1255
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:39,120
Here's the other thing,
he came to a team that got
1256
00:56:39,150 --> 00:56:41,000
to the Finals the year prior.
1257
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:42,146
My most successful
team would definitely
1258
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:44,040
be the Orlando Magic.
1259
00:56:44,070 --> 00:56:45,430
Every basketball
player's dream who
1260
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,030
steps into the NBA or
any league, your goal
1261
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:52,080
is to win a championship.
1262
00:56:52,110 --> 00:56:54,190
It's all about the
right opportunity.
1263
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:57,230
Orlando might have been
the one that I felt,
1264
00:56:58,020 --> 00:56:59,200
OK, we still had a chance.
1265
00:56:59,230 --> 00:57:02,110
That's when he started to
expand his game a lot more is
1266
00:57:02,140 --> 00:57:05,080
when he got to Orlando,
as he stepped out,
1267
00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:06,550
started taking more
of a ball-handler
1268
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:10,030
role on, starting knocking
down the long ball a lot.
1269
00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:11,210
He handled his role very well
1270
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,186
and did it at a very high level.
1271
00:57:13,210 --> 00:57:15,110
He can tell you
probably today that he
1272
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:18,130
put his best foot forward
to win a championship
1273
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,050
and just came up short.
1274
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,120
We lost to
the Boston Celtics in 6.
1275
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:26,070
And they ended up playing the
Lakers in the Finals again.
1276
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:30,180
So it was just...
1277
00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:32,200
That's when I was
like, uh, I might
1278
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:34,170
have missed my opportunity.
1279
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,230
Have we seen the best already
that Vince Carter has to offer?
1280
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:42,976
I'll tell you the biggest
problem with Vince Carter.
1281
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,110
He's a nice guy.
1282
00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:47,080
I never met a great
player who wasn't
1283
00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:51,160
a bit of a gruff, who would
slap his mama to get a rebound.
1284
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:53,180
Is he competitive enough?
1285
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:55,190
He's just a guy with
a ton of talent.
1286
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:57,050
He has not pushed himself.
1287
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,070
Like I say, I just
think, personally,
1288
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:00,220
he's just too nice of a guy.
1289
00:58:01,010 --> 00:58:02,050
He doesn't have that edge.
1290
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,050
I got so many
of them I should try to wear.
1291
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,030
These ones I should try to wear.
1292
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:10,100
I'll think about it.
1293
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:11,160
I like those shoes.
1294
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:16,200
This was when I was in Jersey.
1295
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:19,110
These are old.
1296
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:24,030
These are my Christmas
edition that I wore.
1297
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:25,066
It's supposed to
be for Christmas.
1298
00:58:25,090 --> 00:58:28,020
Magic.
1299
00:58:28,050 --> 00:58:31,160
But you got
traded before Christmas?
1300
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:32,070
Once I did.
1301
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:33,120
Yeah.
1302
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:35,050
Yeah, that year.
1303
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,160
We had NBA trade
of the blockbuster variety.
1304
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:40,200
Going to Phoenix, Vince Carter.
1305
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:42,140
They kind
of swapped uniforms there.
1306
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:44,040
Money was a consideration.
1307
00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:46,140
Expiring contracts
a consideration.
1308
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:47,220
It came out of the blue.
1309
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:49,010
Out of nowhere.
1310
00:58:51,090 --> 00:58:53,490
When it happens, you're always
like, well, our team was good.
1311
00:58:54,010 --> 00:58:55,096
It's not like our
team was losing.
1312
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,010
For us, in Phoenix,
the year before, we
1313
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,086
got to the Conference Finals.
1314
00:58:58,110 --> 00:59:00,080
Amar'e leaves.
1315
00:59:00,110 --> 00:59:02,140
Some things change
with our team.
1316
00:59:02,170 --> 00:59:06,110
And so... and those
changes weren't working.
1317
00:59:06,140 --> 00:59:13,030
And so then it was, OK, what
can we do to fix things?
1318
00:59:13,060 --> 00:59:16,070
And we brought Vince
in and Gortat, who
1319
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:18,030
was his teammate in Orlando.
1320
00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:19,120
And so there's always...
1321
00:59:19,150 --> 00:59:21,020
When it happens, you
hate to see guys leave,
1322
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:23,030
but you're excited
about the possibilities.
1323
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:24,540
Phoenix was
a tough situation, for me,
1324
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,156
I think more than
anything, because that's
1325
00:59:26,180 --> 00:59:28,070
when my reserve role started.
1326
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:29,190
It was an adjustment.
1327
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,160
I think that was, for him,
sort of the first time
1328
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:34,080
now where, like, the
ball's not in his hands.
1329
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:35,170
You know?
1330
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,010
I think in Toronto, I
think in New Jersey,
1331
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,020
even playing with
Jason Kidd, the ball
1332
00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:42,180
was in his hands a lot.
1333
00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:45,020
He was in pick and roll, he
was able to do some things.
1334
00:59:45,050 --> 00:59:46,730
And now, all of a
sudden, we're in Phoenix,
1335
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,040
and the ball is in Steve
Nash's hands a lot.
1336
00:59:49,070 --> 00:59:50,120
And rightfully so.
1337
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:51,140
The first game was
kind of the weirdest
1338
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:53,120
and the most awkward for me.
1339
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:57,070
You, as the starter, you've been
a starter for all these years,
1340
00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:02,020
and to now sit there on
the bench, kind of waiting
1341
01:00:02,050 --> 01:00:03,180
your turn, it was different.
1342
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:06,160
It's a shot to the
ego a little bit.
1343
01:00:06,190 --> 01:00:10,030
You say that you're willing
to do whatever for a team.
1344
01:00:10,060 --> 01:00:11,166
This is putting
that to the test.
1345
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:13,080
And do you mean what you say?
1346
01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:17,120
A lot of great
players can't adjust
1347
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:19,210
to playing a different
style of basketball,
1348
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,120
and they can't
deviate from that.
1349
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:26,170
But I think that's when Vince
started to pivot a little bit.
1350
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,220
I went home that
night, kind of sulked...
1351
01:00:30,010 --> 01:00:32,230
and just tried to find my way
1352
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:34,096
and kind of get it together.
1353
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,480
I think it
really helped him accept
1354
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,050
and embrace sort of where
he's at and maybe also
1355
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,170
where his future is at.
1356
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,060
And that was the toughest
year out of all of them,
1357
01:00:43,090 --> 01:00:46,040
I think was Phoenix
and just learning
1358
01:00:46,070 --> 01:00:48,120
how to handle that new role.
1359
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:51,130
I think it really
contributed to his longevity.
1360
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,080
I asked myself this question...
1361
01:00:54,110 --> 01:00:57,110
Does starting mean
that much to you,
1362
01:00:57,140 --> 01:01:01,050
or being a closer and a finisher
of a game mean more to you?
1363
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,000
I remember having a
conversation with him,
1364
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:06,090
talking about this
is interesting to me.
1365
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,080
And whether it was working with
some of the younger players,
1366
01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:11,160
whether it was, oh, that
experience of coming
1367
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:14,000
in off the bench and sort
of how the game changes,
1368
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:15,206
and the chemistry
of a basketball game
1369
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:17,080
changes at that moment.
1370
01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:20,060
And it struck me in the
moment that he was curious
1371
01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:24,050
about other things besides being
the A number one superstar who
1372
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,030
was dunking the ball, and
that if he was intellectually
1373
01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:31,080
curious and excited about
other parts and little folds
1374
01:01:31,110 --> 01:01:35,020
and facet of a game that you can
get from being a role player.
1375
01:01:35,050 --> 01:01:38,020
That, to me, I remember back on
that conversation and thinking,
1376
01:01:38,050 --> 01:01:40,080
oh, this can be interesting.
1377
01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:41,130
And it was.
1378
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,120
If you have an
ego in this league,
1379
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:44,000
it's going to get checked.
1380
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:46,140
You know, even the greatest...
1381
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:48,220
Michael Jordan... he...
1382
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:51,060
I mean, his ego
got checked, too.
1383
01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:52,080
He needed people.
1384
01:01:52,110 --> 01:01:53,200
You know what I mean?
1385
01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:55,066
He wasn't going to be
able to do it by himself.
1386
01:01:55,090 --> 01:01:57,150
LeBron had to go find
some people in Miami.
1387
01:01:57,180 --> 01:02:00,070
So, no matter how great you are,
you're always gonna get sick.
1388
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:02,090
So he did it for himself.
1389
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,160
I hold Vince up
now as an example
1390
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:07,000
when I have
conversations with guys
1391
01:02:07,030 --> 01:02:08,146
as they get toward the
end of their career
1392
01:02:08,170 --> 01:02:10,220
about what do you want to be.
1393
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:15,150
And I think Vince did something
so fascinating by deciding,
1394
01:02:15,180 --> 01:02:17,200
what I want to be
is a basketball
1395
01:02:17,230 --> 01:02:20,010
player who plays basketball.
1396
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,220
And that sounds super simple.
1397
01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:24,066
But when you are a decoration
at the end of the bench
1398
01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:26,230
because you are "ring-chasing"
as people like to say,
1399
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:28,196
if you are going to the team
where you think you have
1400
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:30,210
the best chance to
win that hardware,
1401
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,076
but you're really mostly
just a "locker room presence"
1402
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:36,120
or a "practice
player" or something,
1403
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:38,100
you can do that if
you decide the most
1404
01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:41,230
important thing is I want to
cap off my career with a ring.
1405
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:43,036
But then you're
not really playing
1406
01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:44,210
basketball in the same way.
1407
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,160
And Vince decided,
I want to play.
1408
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:59,110
VINCE CARTER Obviously I enjoy
playing and being a starter
1409
01:02:59,140 --> 01:03:00,190
is whatever.
1410
01:03:00,220 --> 01:03:04,100
I just wanted to finish
games if possible.
1411
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:06,050
And I still got a
chance to finish games.
1412
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:17,180
At that time, it's just had to
accept it and learn how to deal
1413
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,210
with it and it's tough
for a lot of guys
1414
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,080
to do that and understand, like,
when you played a starring role
1415
01:03:25,110 --> 01:03:28,160
for so long, and
then now you're asked
1416
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:30,140
to play a reserve role,
which you're not used
1417
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:34,160
to, being able to handle it.
1418
01:03:34,190 --> 01:03:38,090
I feel like I took
it like a champ.
1419
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:46,000
I did some studying to figure
out how to be consistent at it.
1420
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:48,130
And it kept me around
for another 10 years.
1421
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:54,020
I started I started getting into
on the YouTube and watching,
1422
01:03:54,050 --> 01:03:58,190
like, Ginobili, Vinnie Johnson,
some of the great sixth men
1423
01:03:58,220 --> 01:04:02,000
in NBA history and
learn from them
1424
01:04:02,030 --> 01:04:07,030
and try to incorporate my style
of play, who I am, into that.
1425
01:04:07,060 --> 01:04:08,060
And here I am.
1426
01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:29,090
Just give me your
initial reaction
1427
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,040
to now being a part
of the defending World
1428
01:04:31,070 --> 01:04:32,106
Champion Dallas Mavericks.
1429
01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:33,180
I mean, what can you say?
1430
01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:35,220
They've accomplished
the ultimate goal,
1431
01:04:36,010 --> 01:04:38,020
and the next thing I
know, I'm getting a phone
1432
01:04:38,050 --> 01:04:40,200
call from the Mavericks staff.
1433
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:42,110
Wow, we get a chance
to convince Carter?
1434
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:45,140
I mean, we
definitely got to do that.
1435
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:47,080
You know, he came
to us from Phoenix,
1436
01:04:47,110 --> 01:04:49,050
where he didn't have
much of a role anymore,
1437
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,080
and everybody was kind of
saying he was phasing out.
1438
01:04:52,110 --> 01:04:54,150
But I think he was
kind of holding back.
1439
01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:59,070
Vince came to me and asked if
he could be our new sixth man.
1440
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:03,100
The vast majority of
NBA players are not
1441
01:05:03,130 --> 01:05:08,010
going to knock on your
door and say, hey, coach,
1442
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,160
can I come off the bench?
1443
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:12,040
And that's... generally,
that's not the dream.
1444
01:05:12,070 --> 01:05:16,090
He was phenomenal, and
you don't often, if ever,
1445
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,200
get a guy like Vince who
had been in the league
1446
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:22,000
a long time at that point but
had only been with us one year.
1447
01:05:22,030 --> 01:05:24,050
The guy was pure class here.
1448
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,030
He knew a bigger role
was coming for him.
1449
01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:32,120
He came off the bench, and it
was an instant offense for us.
1450
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:34,210
He not only wanted
to help the team,
1451
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,360
but he wanted to
challenge himself.
1452
01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:39,220
And you know, the
things that you actually
1453
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:43,080
have to do to go from
being perennial all-star
1454
01:05:43,110 --> 01:05:45,170
and a starter to
being a sixth man,
1455
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,010
you've got to reprogram
how you think a little bit.
1456
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,130
And I'll tell you,
Vince was as good
1457
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,050
a sixth man as I've ever seen.
1458
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,230
It's the evolution of
a guy embracing his role.
1459
01:05:56,020 --> 01:05:59,080
You could be a sixth man, but
you can play starters minutes.
1460
01:05:59,110 --> 01:06:02,180
You know, if you're playing
upwards of 30 minutes a game,
1461
01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:05,140
does it really
matter if he started?
1462
01:06:05,170 --> 01:06:10,060
Vince was not only an athletic
player, but he was clutch.
1463
01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:13,090
In 2014, you know,
we're playing the Spurs,
1464
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,160
and Dallas, San Antonio
is a big rivalry.
1465
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:18,050
That play that we ran
against the San Antonio Spurs
1466
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,000
that night, we've run
100 times probably,
1467
01:06:21,030 --> 01:06:22,190
and it never really worked.
1468
01:06:22,220 --> 01:06:25,020
Right before we
were walking out,
1469
01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:27,140
Coach Carlisle comes to me.
1470
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:30,140
He's like, hey, you
might get this ball.
1471
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:31,200
Be ready.
1472
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:34,100
We're down 2 with
1.5 seconds left,
1473
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:38,020
and we had a play that we
had worked on where Vince
1474
01:06:38,050 --> 01:06:40,020
would peel off to the corner.
1475
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:42,010
That's a tough place
to play and to make
1476
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,440
a play with short
time because we've
1477
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:45,116
got to turn around all the way.
1478
01:06:45,140 --> 01:06:49,040
Pump fake just to get
him up, and then shoot it.
1479
01:06:49,070 --> 01:06:50,166
And leave it up there
with confidence.
1480
01:06:50,190 --> 01:06:52,110
He got to the ball.
1481
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:53,190
Yes!
1482
01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:55,100
Yes!
1483
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:57,210
Do you believe it?
1484
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,000
The starter.
1485
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:07,000
To see that shot
go in was unreal,
1486
01:07:07,030 --> 01:07:09,160
you know, because I
date back to 2001.
1487
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:11,010
Carter at the buzzer.
1488
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:13,160
End game!
1489
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:16,210
12 years later, I get the
opportunity, again, finally
1490
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,030
to redeem myself for me.
1491
01:07:20,060 --> 01:07:22,080
It was one of the
most exhilarating
1492
01:07:22,110 --> 01:07:24,020
moments I've had as a coach.
1493
01:07:24,050 --> 01:07:26,230
And for him, for him
to have that moment
1494
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:31,070
in a playoff series like
that, it was just phenomenal.
1495
01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:33,206
It almost seemed like the
tougher the shot, the more easy
1496
01:07:33,230 --> 01:07:38,020
he made it look, and that's
why he's one of the greats.
1497
01:07:47,030 --> 01:07:49,040
Every time I receive knowledge,
1498
01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:51,150
I was able to incorporate
it into my game
1499
01:07:51,180 --> 01:07:55,170
and could see positive
things happening.
1500
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,100
You know, I had Charles Oakley
who played with Michael Jordan.
1501
01:07:58,130 --> 01:08:01,150
I had Kevin Wilson who played
with Dominique Wilkins.
1502
01:08:01,180 --> 01:08:03,150
I had Dee Brown who
played with Larry Bird.
1503
01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:06,180
I had Doug Christie who
played with Magic Johnson.
1504
01:08:06,210 --> 01:08:09,170
Those are some of the elite
of the elite that has played
1505
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,190
this game that these
guys who have played with
1506
01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:14,190
can share knowledge with
me of how they watch them
1507
01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:16,090
operate on and off the court.
1508
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,196
Just want to come
out here and show some
1509
01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:19,170
of my support for, of
course, the rookies
1510
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,190
that we had last year and
then for the new guys.
1511
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:26,080
For me, it was a goal to
come out and get myself
1512
01:08:26,110 --> 01:08:29,070
in shape and just, you know,
practice with these guys
1513
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:31,040
and just give them as
much knowledge as I can.
1514
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:34,090
If it wasn't for me
playing 20-plus years,
1515
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,150
a lot of coaches wouldn't
allow me to be the player
1516
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:38,040
coach and have a voice.
1517
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:40,230
I'm very appreciative
that these young guys...
1518
01:08:41,020 --> 01:08:43,060
You know, obviously,
they view me
1519
01:08:43,090 --> 01:08:45,120
as a teammate like anyone else.
1520
01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:49,160
But they know I've been around,
and they value my knowledge.
1521
01:08:49,190 --> 01:08:53,180
And they allow me
to share and help
1522
01:08:53,210 --> 01:08:55,090
whenever the time is right.
1523
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,010
It was like having two coaches.
1524
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,146
You know, a lot of times,
when games he wasn't playing,
1525
01:08:58,170 --> 01:09:02,000
you see him up on the
bench, telling guys, really,
1526
01:09:02,030 --> 01:09:03,176
you should be here, be
there, just giving him
1527
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,090
different type of
information, the things
1528
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,060
that they can use to help them.
1529
01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:10,120
He was just trying
to do what he could
1530
01:09:10,150 --> 01:09:14,120
do or give whatever he could
give to help his teammates win.
1531
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:18,220
This is one of two
things that I'm proud of.
1532
01:09:19,010 --> 01:09:21,100
I won the Twyman-Stokes award.
1533
01:09:21,130 --> 01:09:23,150
So basically, it's the
Teammate of the Year Award,
1534
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:26,110
and you're voted
by your peers, you
1535
01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:28,050
know, players
around the NBA, not
1536
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,130
just your current team but all
players involved in this award.
1537
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:38,180
And I won it, and I view this at
the same level, in my opinion,
1538
01:09:38,210 --> 01:09:40,110
as a MVP.
1539
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:45,020
Vince had just the
humility and the perspective
1540
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:48,180
and the desire to be in
this game that led him to be
1541
01:09:48,210 --> 01:09:52,000
able to play a role, that led
him to be able to go to Memphis
1542
01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:54,110
or Sacramento or Atlanta.
1543
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:57,100
He just wanted it to,
you know, not just
1544
01:09:57,130 --> 01:09:59,120
keep his career
going but to do it
1545
01:09:59,150 --> 01:10:01,010
in a way that was meaningful.
1546
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,190
And that's meant
mentoring younger players,
1547
01:10:03,220 --> 01:10:07,140
setting an example in terms
of his daily work ethic,
1548
01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:10,140
passing along what he knows.
1549
01:10:10,170 --> 01:10:13,080
It just speaks to Vince's
generous spirit, I think,
1550
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:15,120
as a player and as a man.
1551
01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:18,210
There's no player
that I'd rather
1552
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,120
have around all these
young kids today to mentor.
1553
01:10:22,150 --> 01:10:24,130
I think that's the
best thing he can
1554
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,080
do the last few years
because you want
1555
01:10:28,110 --> 01:10:30,040
to emulate him as a player.
1556
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:33,130
But the main thing, you want
to emulate him as a person.
1557
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,080
There have been a few
times in the last few years
1558
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:37,200
I thought, well, I wonder
if this is it for Vince?
1559
01:10:37,230 --> 01:10:42,100
And then he still shows
up, and he still hit shots.
1560
01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:45,210
You know, the game has changed,
but, every now and then,
1561
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,280
he'll give you a little glimpse.
1562
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,120
You know, he'll get
up, and we'll go, wow.
1563
01:10:50,150 --> 01:10:53,080
When it comes to the
humility that it takes
1564
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:57,000
to be a 22-year
player, every year,
1565
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:58,106
he's playing fewer minutes.
1566
01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:59,176
He's putting up
fewer more points.
1567
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,100
His averages are low.
1568
01:11:01,130 --> 01:11:03,156
It's dragging down his career
averages to the point where
1569
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:05,060
it's like, oh, well, he
didn't even average 20
1570
01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:06,080
points a game for his career.
1571
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:07,210
What are we talking about?
1572
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,020
Well, it's because he
tacked on seven, eight, nine
1573
01:11:10,050 --> 01:11:11,126
years at the end
that a lot of guys
1574
01:11:11,150 --> 01:11:13,180
wouldn't have hung out for.
1575
01:11:13,210 --> 01:11:15,120
He didn't care about
his career averages.
1576
01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:19,150
He didn't care what that would
do to some statistical, you
1577
01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:23,070
know, box on a website.
1578
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:26,130
He understood that there
was another purpose for him
1579
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,200
to stick around this game.
1580
01:11:27,230 --> 01:11:29,010
There was a value to it.
1581
01:11:37,230 --> 01:11:41,030
I worked so hard to be in shape
1582
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:43,160
and then play this game to
compete against young guys
1583
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:50,050
half my age, so I wanted
to go out playing the game.
1584
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,640
I think sitting on
the end of the bench,
1585
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:55,070
not being able to be
a part of this is...
1586
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:57,120
You know, that would kill
me more than anything.
1587
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,090
I've obviously been
the same age as Vince
1588
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,520
at the end of his
career and knowing
1589
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,130
it's the end of his career.
1590
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,030
When we first got him the first
year, you know, part of me
1591
01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:16,050
thought that was going
to be his last season
1592
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,070
and what a special
moment it would
1593
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:21,020
be to have Vince
in his last season
1594
01:12:21,050 --> 01:12:22,120
with a really young team.
1595
01:12:22,150 --> 01:12:24,010
And he understood the role.
1596
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,080
We talked about the role
of leadership and guidance.
1597
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:30,040
Sure enough, when
the season started,
1598
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:32,060
he had to start
for us at the four.
1599
01:12:32,090 --> 01:12:38,070
Trey was starting at age 20, I
believe, and Vince was age 41.
1600
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:41,140
And so that was the biggest
gap, 21 years of age,
1601
01:12:41,170 --> 01:12:46,120
between starters on the starting
lineup, so it just kind of... it
1602
01:12:46,150 --> 01:12:51,100
showed for me how valuable
Vince was when we brought him in
1603
01:12:51,130 --> 01:12:54,130
but also how special
he is as a player
1604
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,010
to still be able to
play, still be able to be
1605
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,110
included as a starter.
1606
01:12:58,140 --> 01:13:00,120
Vince has been in the
league 20-plus years.
1607
01:13:00,150 --> 01:13:02,130
He's past that vet point.
1608
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,070
He's a OG.
1609
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:07,130
Everything he says, it's like,
you know, he's been through it.
1610
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,060
Like, you listen to the OGs.
1611
01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:12,230
You want to be in their
shoes because he's talking
1612
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:14,076
just as much as the coaches.
1613
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:15,176
Vince is always the first one...
1614
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,120
Especially on our home
games, he's always
1615
01:13:18,150 --> 01:13:19,230
the first one on the court.
1616
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,080
He's always the first one.
1617
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:23,010
His routine, his vitamin,
his shooting routine
1618
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,030
is he's always the first guy
before the young guys go.
1619
01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:27,700
The Toronto Raptors
were in the NBA Finals
1620
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,020
the year before Vince retired,
and he has been a guest analyst
1621
01:13:31,050 --> 01:13:33,100
on the Jump on our
show for the playoffs
1622
01:13:33,130 --> 01:13:35,050
for the previous five years.
1623
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,220
So we've had him at all
of these NBA Finals sites
1624
01:13:38,010 --> 01:13:41,080
through the years, and this time
the NBA Finals were in Toronto.
1625
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:43,430
And there was some question
about, was he going to come up?
1626
01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:45,166
There has been some
back and forth with him
1627
01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:48,110
and the Toronto fan base over
the years at different times.
1628
01:13:48,140 --> 01:13:51,230
But to Vince's credit,
he was all in to come,
1629
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:56,220
and we had him on a stage
outside in that Jurassic park
1630
01:13:57,010 --> 01:14:00,060
fan area with him,
myself, and Tracy McGrady.
1631
01:14:00,090 --> 01:14:01,070
This is dedication out here.
1632
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:02,080
I mean, it's raining.
1633
01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:03,050
Yeah, it's not warm.
1634
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:03,230
It's a little chilly.
1635
01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:05,150
Exactly.
1636
01:14:05,180 --> 01:14:08,180
But there out here because
they want to witness history.
1637
01:14:08,210 --> 01:14:10,120
And to have him have that moment
1638
01:14:10,150 --> 01:14:13,210
with the screaming
Toronto fans in the rain,
1639
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,200
it was crazy out there.
1640
01:14:15,230 --> 01:14:18,150
It felt very special to me
that, even though he didn't get
1641
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:21,110
that final lap
playing in Toronto,
1642
01:14:21,140 --> 01:14:23,050
that he was there
with the people.
1643
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,160
I almost think that that was a
better moment, at least for me,
1644
01:14:26,190 --> 01:14:28,130
as someone who watched
him throughout his career,
1645
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,200
to see him connect with
everybody in that way
1646
01:14:30,230 --> 01:14:32,180
and especially to
be there with T-Mac
1647
01:14:32,210 --> 01:14:36,010
felt like really just
everything came full circle.
1648
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:36,210
"He hates Toronto.
1649
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,100
He had no luck."
1650
01:14:38,130 --> 01:14:40,200
So far from the truth,
so far from the truth.
1651
01:14:40,230 --> 01:14:44,010
I still have
business in Toronto,
1652
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,000
so not wanting to be there
and didn't appreciate my time?
1653
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:51,090
Never, never.
1654
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,230
Definitely appreciate it.
1655
01:14:53,020 --> 01:14:54,116
I still appreciate some of
the people that are there.
1656
01:14:54,140 --> 01:14:58,060
Still talk to him to this
day, in the organization
1657
01:14:58,090 --> 01:14:59,110
and around the city.
1658
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,050
That's a big point
of conversation
1659
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,976
that day is, you know, what's
going on with the league?
1660
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,040
What's going on with the virus?
1661
01:15:17,070 --> 01:15:18,090
What's next?
1662
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,020
The owners,
organization in general,
1663
01:15:20,050 --> 01:15:22,126
we're all in the locker room,
talking about the scenarios.
1664
01:15:22,150 --> 01:15:26,040
If this happens, if
somebody tests positive,
1665
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:27,120
what would happen?
1666
01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:28,120
We're leaving the
locker room, and we're
1667
01:15:28,150 --> 01:15:30,120
about to break the huddle.
1668
01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:33,030
And I said, hey,
you know, this could
1669
01:15:33,060 --> 01:15:35,060
be our last game without fans.
1670
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:36,140
That was my message.
1671
01:15:36,170 --> 01:15:38,180
This could be our last
game without fans.
1672
01:15:38,210 --> 01:15:43,160
And Dewayne Dedmon, without
missing a beat, says,
1673
01:15:43,190 --> 01:15:46,230
this could be Vince's
last game without fans.
1674
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:51,040
We're coming out to halftime
to shoot, and OP comes up to us
1675
01:15:51,070 --> 01:15:53,170
and just tells us,
tells me and Vince,
1676
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,000
that the season's
probably get canceled,
1677
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:59,210
that the Thunder and the
Jags game just got canceled.
1678
01:16:00,020 --> 01:16:02,060
Coach Pierce says,
you heard about what
1679
01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:03,110
happened to Rudy Gobert?
1680
01:16:03,140 --> 01:16:05,040
He's like, he tested positive.
1681
01:16:05,070 --> 01:16:07,020
And now we know
something's going on,
1682
01:16:07,050 --> 01:16:09,130
and we understand, this
is probably it for us.
1683
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,140
We still have a second
half to play, try to get back
1684
01:16:12,170 --> 01:16:13,186
in this game, get us a win.
1685
01:16:13,210 --> 01:16:15,150
We're still focused
on the game, so,
1686
01:16:15,180 --> 01:16:17,210
like, we're so far
behind we don't
1687
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,080
even understand what
the world's talking
1688
01:16:20,110 --> 01:16:22,080
about and going through.
1689
01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:24,140
And it'd get to about the
fourth quarter, midway
1690
01:16:24,170 --> 01:16:27,150
in the fourth quarter, Dewayne
Dedmon leans over to me,
1691
01:16:27,180 --> 01:16:31,090
and he's like, you know this
might be your last game?
1692
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,110
Damn, you know what?
1693
01:16:33,140 --> 01:16:35,090
This might, like...
This might be it.
1694
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,070
Fans are starting to
chant, like, we want Vince.
1695
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:38,040
We want Vince.
1696
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:39,050
We want Vince!
1697
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,170
We want Vince!
1698
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,210
We just started hearing,
"Vince, Vince, Vince,"
1699
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,120
from the fans.
1700
01:16:44,150 --> 01:16:46,136
And everyone's chanting to
get Vince back in the game.
1701
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,010
It hasn't even crossed my mind.
1702
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,166
Deandre was like,
ah, we want Vince.
1703
01:16:49,190 --> 01:16:50,130
Like, Oh, hey, Vince.
1704
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:51,200
Sit down.
1705
01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:52,190
Chill out.
1706
01:16:52,220 --> 01:16:53,230
Let's get this over with.
1707
01:16:54,020 --> 01:16:55,056
I don't think he
wanted to go in.
1708
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,050
I think the crowd
chanting, "We want
1709
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,120
Vince," kind of
persuaded the whole Vince
1710
01:17:01,150 --> 01:17:03,080
and LP to put him in.
1711
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:08,070
And made eye contact with
LP, and he looked at me.
1712
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:10,060
And I turned, and
I look at the bench.
1713
01:17:10,090 --> 01:17:13,030
I look down at the bench,
and all of the guys
1714
01:17:13,060 --> 01:17:16,180
are basically tugging at
and pointing that Vince
1715
01:17:16,210 --> 01:17:18,090
and telling him to get up.
1716
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,170
But he looked at me, and
he was kind of like, go in.
1717
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,090
And it's just like...
1718
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,060
Everything changed that
fast in an instant.
1719
01:17:27,180 --> 01:17:29,230
And they're going to put him in.
1720
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:32,136
From that point, it was just
kind of like, what's going on?
1721
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,220
Like, this might be it.
1722
01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:36,120
For me, a lot of things
ran through my mind.
1723
01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:38,000
I mean, I was thinking
about my season
1724
01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:39,310
being over with
at the same time.
1725
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:42,060
I had a guy right
to my next to me
1726
01:17:42,090 --> 01:17:46,130
that this could be the last
time ever playing an NBA game.
1727
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,020
And then I remember Trey said,
hey, we're going to get you...
1728
01:17:49,050 --> 01:17:50,136
You're going to
take the last shot.
1729
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,206
I'm like, all right,
cool, whatever, whatever,
1730
01:17:51,230 --> 01:17:53,020
because I'm still processing.
1731
01:17:53,050 --> 01:17:54,116
And I hear them,
and I understand it.
1732
01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:56,030
But I was like, all
right, cool, whatever.
1733
01:17:56,060 --> 01:17:58,096
New York kind of knows we're
running the shot for Vince
1734
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,090
anyways, but, in
the event that they
1735
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:02,186
didn't, we had something there.
1736
01:18:02,210 --> 01:18:04,070
And Trey did exactly that.
1737
01:18:04,100 --> 01:18:05,120
He drove it.
1738
01:18:05,150 --> 01:18:06,130
Three guys collapsed
on him, and he
1739
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,070
just pitched it back to Vince.
1740
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:11,100
And in a classic Vince moment,
he steps right in off the bench
1741
01:18:11,130 --> 01:18:15,050
and played the last 15
minutes, and he drains the 3.
1742
01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:17,080
And that's
what they're going to do.
1743
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:18,010
Carter for 3.
1744
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,040
Get in there.
1745
01:18:21,070 --> 01:18:22,160
Unbelievable.
1746
01:18:22,190 --> 01:18:26,150
What an appropriate
play to finish
1747
01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:28,190
for the great Vince Carter.
1748
01:18:28,220 --> 01:18:33,040
Thankfully it went in, and
it was just a great moment.
1749
01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:36,010
You know, and I was able to walk
off, and it was kind of like,
1750
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:36,230
all right.
1751
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:38,070
I made the last shot.
1752
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:42,060
So the ending is
there if need be.
1753
01:18:42,090 --> 01:18:43,190
It was a crazy moment.
1754
01:18:43,220 --> 01:18:46,010
I was... I'm going to be
able to tell my kids someday
1755
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,130
that I gave Vince Carter
his last bucket in NBA,
1756
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,100
so that's something
I'll never forget.
1757
01:18:51,130 --> 01:18:54,000
But I thought it was a great
moment, not only for him.
1758
01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:58,120
Who knew at the time that that
would really be his last game,
1759
01:18:58,150 --> 01:19:00,220
but what a great
ending to a career
1760
01:19:01,010 --> 01:19:02,450
and what a great
moment for the fans.
1761
01:19:03,020 --> 01:19:04,166
And I think the
reason that moment
1762
01:19:04,190 --> 01:19:06,170
struck such a
chord with everyone
1763
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,130
was it was completely organic.
1764
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,150
It wasn't some big hoopla
organized celebration.
1765
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:13,150
It was just the people
in that building
1766
01:19:13,180 --> 01:19:17,070
who knew how important
Vince Carter was to the game
1767
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:20,090
and that this moment
must be respected
1768
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:21,240
and that being just natural.
1769
01:19:39,090 --> 01:19:41,220
It feels like I've been
retired for about a year
1770
01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:49,210
or so because of my internal
clock and how things have
1771
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,220
operated for 20-plus years.
1772
01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:54,186
Most guys, you can put markers.
1773
01:19:54,210 --> 01:19:59,030
With Vince, it's just like
he lived this NBA life,
1774
01:19:59,060 --> 01:20:01,140
and you almost have
to look in retrospect
1775
01:20:01,170 --> 01:20:04,090
and say, oh, so this
is what he... like,
1776
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,020
this is what he
was in this period.
1777
01:20:06,050 --> 01:20:10,230
But it was just this natural
conversion of who he was
1778
01:20:11,020 --> 01:20:12,166
over the course of his career.
1779
01:20:12,190 --> 01:20:14,120
I did not think it
was going to last.
1780
01:20:14,150 --> 01:20:15,160
Like, I just didn't.
1781
01:20:15,190 --> 01:20:17,000
I didn't think he was going to...
1782
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:18,146
Guy was going to
play two decades.
1783
01:20:18,170 --> 01:20:20,070
Never, never.
1784
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:22,000
When people think
of me, you know,
1785
01:20:22,030 --> 01:20:23,350
they're going to
think of dunking.
1786
01:20:24,010 --> 01:20:26,026
So when I'm asked about what
I want people to remember
1787
01:20:26,050 --> 01:20:29,090
is of my legacy, I will
talk about the dunking
1788
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,401
because I know that's going
to take care of itself anyway.
1789
01:20:33,070 --> 01:20:36,050
You know, he just wanted to
show people that his game was
1790
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,180
on the ground as well as
in air and that he could
1791
01:20:38,210 --> 01:20:42,030
be this fundamentally sound
player who could do it all,
1792
01:20:42,060 --> 01:20:43,080
and he did.
1793
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:45,000
Vince Carter
keeps the game pure.
1794
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:49,020
He filters it, and he doesn't
allow the negative things
1795
01:20:49,050 --> 01:20:50,070
to fall through.
1796
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:51,230
That takes a lot.
1797
01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:54,040
To carry the league,
which he did,
1798
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:57,160
and then mentor guys who
couldn't carry his shoes
1799
01:20:57,190 --> 01:21:01,040
at times, that takes
a real humility,
1800
01:21:01,070 --> 01:21:03,000
and I admire him for that.
1801
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:06,140
Whether it's seeing him
working on his broadcast career
1802
01:21:06,170 --> 01:21:10,130
or knowing the time and effort
that he's put in to maintain
1803
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:17,140
his athleticism, my view of
him has changed dramatically,
1804
01:21:17,170 --> 01:21:21,050
and I think what makes it most
authentic is that Vince wasn't
1805
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,060
trying to persuade anybody.
1806
01:21:24,090 --> 01:21:25,196
He never made a
concerted effort like,
1807
01:21:25,220 --> 01:21:28,130
I'm going to change
your view of who I am.
1808
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,000
I'm just going to
continue to be who I am,
1809
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:32,430
and then, eventually,
you'll get it.
1810
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,170
So Vince, I got.
1811
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:39,230
To tell a guy who's been as
great as Vince or Karl Malone
1812
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:43,220
or Patrick Ewing or myself
that your life sucks
1813
01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:48,060
because you didn't win a couple
more basketball game, I think...
1814
01:21:48,090 --> 01:21:49,196
First of all, I
think it's stupid.
1815
01:21:49,220 --> 01:21:53,030
And for him to maintain his
excellence for this long
1816
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:54,200
is incredible.
1817
01:21:54,230 --> 01:21:56,220
That's what makes him special.
1818
01:21:57,010 --> 01:21:58,146
Nobody who's made it to the NBA
1819
01:21:58,170 --> 01:22:02,040
didn't spend how many hours
on the court, sometimes
1820
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:04,096
after the sun goes down when
they were supposed to be home
1821
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,070
already, just getting
in a few more shots,
1822
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:07,196
"I just want to play
a little bit more",
1823
01:22:07,220 --> 01:22:10,160
when no one was watching
when they're 11 years old.
1824
01:22:10,190 --> 01:22:13,190
And Vince, to me, epitomized
toward the end of his career
1825
01:22:13,220 --> 01:22:16,220
that I just want to... just let
me get a few more shots out.
1826
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:18,166
That's a love of the game, man.
1827
01:22:18,190 --> 01:22:23,160
My favorite thing about Vince
Carter is who he is as a man.
1828
01:22:23,190 --> 01:22:27,140
It's who he is as a person,
who he is as a friend,
1829
01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:31,230
Who he is as a family member.
1830
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:36,050
Everything that he stands
for would be a great man
1831
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,210
on and off the
basketball court, Hall
1832
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,170
of Fame player, indeed, but
definitely a Hall of Fame man.
1833
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,170
Am I a sure-fire Hall of Famer?
1834
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,200
Ah, you know, I hope so.
1835
01:22:47,230 --> 01:22:49,080
I would love to be
in the Hall of Fame.
1836
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:52,110
If I do have that
opportunity, it would probably
1837
01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:54,160
be as a Toronto Raptor.
1838
01:22:54,190 --> 01:22:56,230
I want people to see me
more than just a dunker.
1839
01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:58,166
I want you to
realize that I have...
1840
01:22:58,190 --> 01:23:02,080
It's more to me and my game
than just my ability to dunk.
1841
01:23:02,110 --> 01:23:05,050
That's the mentality I created.
1842
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,160
That's just how I've gone
about it and learned,
1843
01:23:07,190 --> 01:23:09,000
and that's what I
expect of myself.
1844
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:10,066
If you're going to
wear the uniform,
1845
01:23:10,090 --> 01:23:12,170
you want to go out
there and compete.
1846
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,210
It was about fulfilling
the love that I
1847
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,210
still have inside for the game.
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