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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,909 --> 00:00:11,744 Narrator: In the deep future you have merged with ai. 2 00:00:12,279 --> 00:00:14,312 You can communicate telepathically. 3 00:00:14,347 --> 00:00:17,149 You can even choose to live inside your computer 4 00:00:17,184 --> 00:00:18,984 if you want to. 5 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:22,187 And while technology will bring extraordinary and unimaginable 6 00:00:22,222 --> 00:00:24,390 advances to the evolution of the human body, 7 00:00:25,425 --> 00:00:28,393 nanobots won't be what protects you from the consequences of 8 00:00:28,428 --> 00:00:30,763 accelerated global warming. 9 00:00:31,898 --> 00:00:34,566 Nor can it protect you from an extinction event like this one. 10 00:00:36,636 --> 00:00:39,604 The only way to truly ensure humanity's survival is to 11 00:00:39,639 --> 00:00:41,907 imagine a course where we evolve as 12 00:00:41,942 --> 00:00:44,376 an interplanetary species. 13 00:00:45,245 --> 00:00:47,913 This is the story of how we pioneer the tech that will 14 00:00:47,948 --> 00:00:50,449 bring us to outer space. 15 00:00:57,924 --> 00:01:01,026 It's the deep future. 16 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:03,228 Your body, gone. 17 00:01:03,263 --> 00:01:07,232 You're all computer, all the time. 18 00:01:07,267 --> 00:01:08,900 Your brain is way more powerful than 19 00:01:08,935 --> 00:01:11,170 even a billion supercomputers. 20 00:01:13,006 --> 00:01:16,975 Jobs, food, language, water, even traditional thought, 21 00:01:18,445 --> 00:01:21,313 all of humanity's building blocks, all that's done. 22 00:01:22,482 --> 00:01:24,583 And you are immortal. 23 00:01:25,418 --> 00:01:27,152 Squirming in your chair yet? 24 00:01:27,187 --> 00:01:28,620 You should be. 25 00:01:28,655 --> 00:01:30,589 This isn't science fiction. 26 00:01:30,624 --> 00:01:34,259 Today's visionary thinkers say it's a strong probability that 27 00:01:34,294 --> 00:01:36,929 this is what your world is going to look like. 28 00:01:37,831 --> 00:01:40,899 Tonight, they'll guide you toward that spectacular future, 29 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:43,168 and we'll see how one family navigates it, 30 00:01:43,203 --> 00:01:45,671 one invention at a time. 31 00:01:46,139 --> 00:01:48,940 This is the story of your future. 32 00:01:48,975 --> 00:01:51,810 This is the road to year million. 33 00:01:58,552 --> 00:02:00,785 The year million: A future period, 34 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:02,854 not exactly a million years from now, 35 00:02:02,889 --> 00:02:06,324 but rather a time when man and society will be so 36 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:09,495 technologically advanced, it's nearly impossible to imagine. 37 00:02:11,031 --> 00:02:13,698 Michio Kaku: It stretches the imagination to contemplate what 38 00:02:13,733 --> 00:02:16,535 the laws of physics will allow a million years from now. 39 00:02:17,837 --> 00:02:19,671 Narrator: Let me put it to you this way. 40 00:02:19,706 --> 00:02:22,440 Your day-to-day life will surpass anything you've seen on 41 00:02:22,475 --> 00:02:24,142 Star Trek. 42 00:02:24,177 --> 00:02:26,278 In this far-off time, 43 00:02:26,313 --> 00:02:28,814 earth is just one of the planet's we'll inhabit. 44 00:02:29,849 --> 00:02:31,316 Peter Diamandis: Stephen Hawking said, 45 00:02:31,351 --> 00:02:34,253 I don't think humanity has a future unless we go into space. 46 00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:37,956 The danger from nuclear war or asteroid strike, 47 00:02:37,991 --> 00:02:40,525 or existential threats of those types, you know, 48 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,027 all of our eggs are in one basket. 49 00:02:42,062 --> 00:02:44,629 We need to diversify. 50 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:48,233 Narrator: And diversify means we must adapt or we will die. 51 00:02:49,936 --> 00:02:51,536 Baratunde Thurston: You know, the planet's kind of falling 52 00:02:51,571 --> 00:02:53,672 apart, we're dying, like disease, antibiotics, 53 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:56,675 all this stuff is not going the greatest. 54 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:59,177 Negin Farsad: There's a bunch of people who have their finger on 55 00:02:59,212 --> 00:03:02,581 the nuclear codes and they are very dangerous people so a 56 00:03:02,616 --> 00:03:07,185 nuclear holocaust seems like a really like possible reason that 57 00:03:07,220 --> 00:03:08,620 we'd have to leave earth. 58 00:03:09,889 --> 00:03:11,823 Narrator: But to get off the planet, 59 00:03:11,858 --> 00:03:14,726 we're going to need to get to space and fast. 60 00:03:15,295 --> 00:03:18,330 That is going to require collaboration on a global scale, 61 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:20,866 the likes of which we have never seen before. 62 00:03:21,468 --> 00:03:24,436 With earth buckling under an exploding population and 63 00:03:24,471 --> 00:03:27,372 enormous energy demands, take comfort that the seeds of a 64 00:03:27,407 --> 00:03:30,942 revolution are sprouting a paradigm shift in how we care 65 00:03:30,977 --> 00:03:32,944 for our planet. 66 00:03:32,979 --> 00:03:35,247 We're also looking toward the heavens, 67 00:03:35,282 --> 00:03:38,250 breathing new life and a ton of money into an 68 00:03:38,285 --> 00:03:40,185 amped up space race 69 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,587 led by an adventurous breed of billionaire space 70 00:03:42,622 --> 00:03:45,924 pioneers who all want to be the first to plant their flag 71 00:03:45,959 --> 00:03:48,594 on Mars and world's beyond. 72 00:03:49,596 --> 00:03:52,130 It's about survival at all costs, 73 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:55,967 whether it's on the planet or off-world. 74 00:03:56,002 --> 00:04:00,172 So let me show you the road to humanity's survival. 75 00:04:01,408 --> 00:04:04,576 First, we'll need to buy time. 76 00:04:04,611 --> 00:04:07,812 Our world is full of stuff, but in the future our stuff 77 00:04:07,847 --> 00:04:10,749 will become alive, programmable. 78 00:04:13,853 --> 00:04:16,755 Every single object on the planet will be fully adaptable, 79 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:20,659 and able to fight back against any natural disaster 80 00:04:20,694 --> 00:04:22,461 that could imperil us. 81 00:04:24,698 --> 00:04:27,933 But even so, the planet can only sustain us for so long. 82 00:04:29,169 --> 00:04:31,503 So to save the human race, we're not only going to have 83 00:04:31,538 --> 00:04:34,406 to find ourselves a new rock to live on, 84 00:04:34,441 --> 00:04:36,375 we'll have to terraform it. 85 00:04:38,011 --> 00:04:40,779 As we humans evolve, whether we live forever or we climb 86 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:44,916 into a computer, we are going to need a lot more energy. 87 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:48,353 So we'll need to build a power soaking megastructure 88 00:04:48,388 --> 00:04:50,355 called the Dyson sphere. 89 00:04:52,792 --> 00:04:54,959 The Dyson sphere will surround the sun, 90 00:04:54,994 --> 00:04:59,865 absorb and store all its energy and power our technology 91 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:02,868 throughout the solar system. 92 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:06,271 This influx of energy will allow us to launch ourselves 93 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:08,874 into the great beyond, exploring outer space. 94 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:14,313 And finding resources to live on throughout the galaxies. 95 00:05:15,215 --> 00:05:17,816 And when we voyage out there, you know what that means: 96 00:05:18,885 --> 00:05:20,919 We could run into aliens. 97 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:25,223 Will they be friend or foe? 98 00:05:25,258 --> 00:05:27,392 To be honest, we really don't know. 99 00:05:29,062 --> 00:05:31,663 Once we've taken control of all the energy and matter in our 100 00:05:31,698 --> 00:05:35,734 solar system, our society will mature even further. 101 00:05:35,769 --> 00:05:40,305 Becoming so advanced, that scientists and Sci-Fi alike can 102 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:43,108 barely bring into focus what our world will like. 103 00:05:44,944 --> 00:05:47,178 And before we get to that wildest, 104 00:05:47,213 --> 00:05:50,648 most far out future scenario, let's start here on earth with 105 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,218 the transformation that is happening all around us. 106 00:05:54,954 --> 00:05:56,855 Imagine you are an engineer trying to crack 107 00:05:56,890 --> 00:05:59,023 the code for our survival. 108 00:05:59,058 --> 00:06:02,694 You accidentally drop a cup, it shatters. 109 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:06,631 But then it reforms, into something else, 110 00:06:07,133 --> 00:06:09,868 something you need, like the model of the wind turbine 111 00:06:09,903 --> 00:06:11,669 you've been sketching. 112 00:06:11,704 --> 00:06:15,340 Then, scale way on up, and you can see how it becomes the tech 113 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:18,210 that will save our coastlines from imminent peril. 114 00:06:19,112 --> 00:06:20,245 Oscar: Did you hear about Manhattan? 115 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,747 Eva: Yeah, it washed away in the latest storm surge. 116 00:06:22,782 --> 00:06:24,916 Oscar: Watch. 117 00:06:29,456 --> 00:06:30,622 Solar power. 118 00:06:30,657 --> 00:06:33,892 Enough to power half of the east coast. 119 00:06:33,927 --> 00:06:39,297 Now in bad weather conditions, it becomes a wind turbine. 120 00:06:42,168 --> 00:06:44,736 Which in turn becomes a sea defense, 121 00:06:44,771 --> 00:06:48,139 capable of reacting to any force that comes its way. 122 00:06:48,174 --> 00:06:51,643 The stronger the wave, the stronger the wall. 123 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:54,078 Eva: How? 124 00:06:54,113 --> 00:06:56,415 Oscar: Programmable matter. 125 00:06:57,684 --> 00:06:59,451 It works. 126 00:06:59,486 --> 00:07:01,586 Eva: This could buy us some time? 127 00:07:03,156 --> 00:07:05,290 Narrator: So how do you get from a broken cup to having a 128 00:07:05,325 --> 00:07:07,592 world full of objects that can morph at the 129 00:07:07,627 --> 00:07:09,327 flick of a switch? 130 00:07:09,362 --> 00:07:12,297 Well, Sci-Fi has already imagined it. 131 00:07:12,332 --> 00:07:14,299 Rose Eveleth: The Sci-Fi that i think is actually the closest on 132 00:07:14,334 --> 00:07:15,667 this is big hero 6. 133 00:07:15,702 --> 00:07:18,436 Where they have all these little tiny nano metal thingies, 134 00:07:18,471 --> 00:07:20,405 and then you can tell it to assemble. 135 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,173 George Dvorsky: This matter could basically become 136 00:07:22,208 --> 00:07:25,343 super-flexible and take on any form, any shape that it desires. 137 00:07:26,479 --> 00:07:27,779 Anders Sandberg: Normal matter is dumb. 138 00:07:27,814 --> 00:07:31,883 I can't tell a silicon chip to turn into a window or a wall. 139 00:07:32,819 --> 00:07:35,487 But what if it was composed of smart machines that could 140 00:07:35,522 --> 00:07:38,490 respond to signals and reorganize themselves. 141 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:40,792 Well in that case, we might have matter that you 142 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:42,360 could actually program. 143 00:07:42,395 --> 00:07:44,929 Narrator: Welcome to programmable matter. 144 00:07:44,964 --> 00:07:46,664 Charles Soule: At a certain point, 145 00:07:46,699 --> 00:07:48,533 when you have these technology levels energy and matter become 146 00:07:48,568 --> 00:07:49,767 very fluid things. 147 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:51,202 Like a rock is not a rock. 148 00:07:51,237 --> 00:07:53,438 A rock is, is raw materials and fuel. 149 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:55,574 It can become kind of anything you want it to be. 150 00:08:01,681 --> 00:08:03,481 Skylar Tibbits: We know that we have outdated and failing 151 00:08:03,516 --> 00:08:06,151 infrastructure, roads, pipes, Bridges, 152 00:08:06,853 --> 00:08:09,254 and that's going to require an investment in innovation. 153 00:08:09,756 --> 00:08:12,190 Because we don't just want to build it the way it was. 154 00:08:14,093 --> 00:08:15,793 Narrator: At the self assembly lab, 155 00:08:15,828 --> 00:08:17,829 scientists are working on creating matter that can 156 00:08:17,864 --> 00:08:20,665 transform itself into the shape of anything you need 157 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:22,500 in any given moment. 158 00:08:22,535 --> 00:08:24,235 Skylar Tibbits: Our infrastructure in the future 159 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:26,304 should not just be over-engineered and 160 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:28,573 bulky and static. 161 00:08:28,608 --> 00:08:30,241 We've focused on making materials that 162 00:08:30,276 --> 00:08:32,877 can transform physically. 163 00:08:32,912 --> 00:08:34,646 Narrator: You heard that right. 164 00:08:34,681 --> 00:08:37,048 Programmable matter will make our roads and buildings tighten 165 00:08:37,083 --> 00:08:39,517 during an earthquake so they won't crumble. 166 00:08:39,552 --> 00:08:42,220 It will make cities able to withstand the strong winds and 167 00:08:42,255 --> 00:08:44,422 rising tides of a hurricane. 168 00:08:45,124 --> 00:08:47,359 Once buildings are built, they will never break. 169 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:49,861 Skylar Tibbits: There's a number of examples that 170 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:51,663 we could imagine. 171 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:56,534 The roof can transform based on wind or sun or rain and become 172 00:08:56,569 --> 00:08:59,370 stronger, flexible, more porous, more waterproof. 173 00:08:59,405 --> 00:09:03,942 You know, adapting materials can adapt to all sorts of crazy 174 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:06,077 climate and weather fluctuations. 175 00:09:07,113 --> 00:09:09,380 Narrator: It's as if all the materials in our world today 176 00:09:09,415 --> 00:09:11,950 are asleep and in the future they will wake up. 177 00:09:15,488 --> 00:09:16,888 Yet, while programmable matter will 178 00:09:16,923 --> 00:09:18,556 be a game-changer, 179 00:09:18,591 --> 00:09:21,559 there is a universe where it becomes just a band-aid. 180 00:09:21,594 --> 00:09:24,729 The fury of mother nature might be too strong, 181 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:28,266 even for an artificially intelligent climate crusader 182 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:30,669 like our future daughter, Jess. 183 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:38,409 Jess: We ran into some obstacles in the engineering of 184 00:09:38,444 --> 00:09:40,612 the new bio-terrains. 185 00:09:40,647 --> 00:09:42,981 We knew we'd have to flood some of this coastline, 186 00:09:43,016 --> 00:09:47,585 but we had to decide between losing the city or losing 187 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:50,188 everything on the peninsula. 188 00:10:01,934 --> 00:10:03,835 Narrator: The problem with resources is that 189 00:10:03,870 --> 00:10:05,336 they are finite. 190 00:10:05,371 --> 00:10:06,938 Even in the future, we will never have enough of 191 00:10:06,973 --> 00:10:08,673 them to go around. 192 00:10:08,708 --> 00:10:11,610 And when we decide who gets them, there will be casualties. 193 00:10:22,488 --> 00:10:24,155 Jess: You okay, dad? 194 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:26,224 Oscar: Yeah. 195 00:10:36,469 --> 00:10:38,936 Narrator: Jess was hoping that programmable matter could help 196 00:10:38,971 --> 00:10:40,838 stop rising water levels. 197 00:10:40,873 --> 00:10:43,141 But she's finding out the hard way that it can't keep 198 00:10:43,176 --> 00:10:45,476 us safe forever. 199 00:10:45,511 --> 00:10:49,013 Whatever we do, at some point, the earth will become 200 00:10:49,048 --> 00:10:53,317 uninhabitable and that is when we'll have to leave the earth. 201 00:10:53,352 --> 00:10:55,887 We'll have to find a planet that's kind of a fixer-upper. 202 00:10:55,922 --> 00:10:57,656 A place that humans can terraform. 203 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:01,392 Which means we will manipulate its ecosystem to make it 204 00:11:01,427 --> 00:11:03,528 habitable for us. 205 00:11:03,563 --> 00:11:06,998 But making an entire planet bend to our will is going to be 206 00:11:07,033 --> 00:11:10,035 anything but easy. 207 00:11:16,542 --> 00:11:19,977 Narrator: In the far future, natural disasters and some kind 208 00:11:20,012 --> 00:11:22,346 of horrific extinction event will make the 209 00:11:22,381 --> 00:11:25,016 earth completely uninhabitable. 210 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:29,120 So we will need a plan "b." 211 00:11:29,922 --> 00:11:32,857 Michio Kaku: As an insurance policy against asteroid impacts, 212 00:11:32,892 --> 00:11:35,426 against super volcanoes and ice ages, 213 00:11:35,461 --> 00:11:39,430 I think it's a good idea to have a spare planet out there, 214 00:11:39,465 --> 00:11:41,766 in case we have doomsday on the planet earth. 215 00:11:42,735 --> 00:11:44,502 Narrator: Good idea. 216 00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:46,871 But after we tackle the challenge of finding a spare 217 00:11:46,906 --> 00:11:49,574 planet, we'll need to bring her up to human specs. 218 00:11:49,609 --> 00:11:51,876 And that my friends will require some 219 00:11:51,911 --> 00:11:55,580 next-level engineering, which we call terraforming. 220 00:11:57,216 --> 00:11:59,584 Peter Diamandis: Our toolset for actually engineering is becoming 221 00:11:59,619 --> 00:12:01,352 stronger and stronger. 222 00:12:01,387 --> 00:12:04,188 And of course, our toolset 30 years from now will be far more 223 00:12:04,223 --> 00:12:06,090 advanced, because we'll have quantum computing that 224 00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:08,626 understands how to look at natural systems. 225 00:12:08,661 --> 00:12:11,229 We'll have AI to help us monitor things. 226 00:12:11,264 --> 00:12:13,197 We'll have nanotechnology. 227 00:12:13,232 --> 00:12:17,268 So the idea of actually terraforming a planet is going 228 00:12:17,303 --> 00:12:20,371 to be, I don't want to use this term, but you know, 229 00:12:20,406 --> 00:12:21,973 quite simple. 230 00:12:22,008 --> 00:12:23,741 Narrator: Simple enough for you to say, 231 00:12:23,776 --> 00:12:26,043 but for the rest of us it still feels like we're going 232 00:12:26,078 --> 00:12:29,347 to be building a pyramid from scratch, in space. 233 00:12:30,616 --> 00:12:32,583 Chuck Nice: Space is a hostile place, people. 234 00:12:32,618 --> 00:12:33,751 It's a hostile place. 235 00:12:33,786 --> 00:12:35,386 Do I want to go live there? 236 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:37,989 No, I like it right here on earth where over a few billion 237 00:12:38,024 --> 00:12:40,792 years it has made things extremely comfortable for me, 238 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:43,561 and that's what I want. 239 00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:45,997 Narrator: If it's comfort you want, it's comfort you'll get. 240 00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:50,902 In the future we'll be able to modify a planet's atmosphere, 241 00:12:50,937 --> 00:12:55,773 temperature, and ecology, and we'll also change ourselves to 242 00:12:55,808 --> 00:12:59,611 ensure that we not only survive, but adapt and thrive. 243 00:13:00,713 --> 00:13:02,113 Negin Farsad: I'm going to be honest with you. 244 00:13:02,148 --> 00:13:04,282 In terms of traveling to other planets, 245 00:13:04,317 --> 00:13:08,352 I'm not a huge fan of the idea because to put on a mask to 246 00:13:08,387 --> 00:13:12,223 breathe just doesn't sound like a fun vacation to me. 247 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,794 Narrator: The early days of adjusting to a partially 248 00:13:16,829 --> 00:13:19,197 terraformed planet will probably be 249 00:13:19,232 --> 00:13:21,265 a bit uncomfortable. 250 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:25,036 The first steps usually are; Just look at our series, 251 00:13:25,071 --> 00:13:27,405 "Mars" or "the martian". 252 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:31,342 But believe it or not, the red planet is one of the 253 00:13:31,377 --> 00:13:34,812 closest to being move-in ready. 254 00:13:34,847 --> 00:13:37,114 George Dvorsky: What's exciting about Mars is that it's within 255 00:13:37,149 --> 00:13:39,717 this happy zone in terms of its distance from the sun. 256 00:13:39,752 --> 00:13:42,153 It has critical ingredients on there that we can work with in 257 00:13:42,188 --> 00:13:44,989 terms of water and oxygen. 258 00:13:45,024 --> 00:13:47,358 Matt Mira: And it only takes 19 minutes for a radio signal to 259 00:13:47,393 --> 00:13:52,396 get back to earth so I would never feel too disconnected from 260 00:13:52,431 --> 00:13:55,700 humanity and where it started, and it seems like a good size 261 00:13:56,335 --> 00:13:58,135 and it seems like a good place to start so I would get 262 00:13:58,170 --> 00:14:00,071 my ass to Mars. 263 00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:01,372 Narrator: Great. 264 00:14:01,407 --> 00:14:04,075 But how are we going to get Matt to Mars? 265 00:14:05,378 --> 00:14:07,712 Let me take you a step further and show you one path to 266 00:14:07,747 --> 00:14:09,848 terraforming the red planet. 267 00:14:12,785 --> 00:14:15,753 First, we will beam energy at Mars' polar ice caps, 268 00:14:16,589 --> 00:14:19,323 heating the planet, and melting the ice. 269 00:14:19,358 --> 00:14:21,225 The melted ice will flow along the surface, 270 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:23,227 and evaporate into the air. 271 00:14:23,262 --> 00:14:26,564 This will create a greenhouse effect, warming the atmosphere. 272 00:14:26,599 --> 00:14:28,165 And it needs to warm a lot. 273 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,867 The average temperature currently on the planet 274 00:14:29,902 --> 00:14:32,136 is minus 80 fahrenheit. 275 00:14:32,738 --> 00:14:35,039 Not exactly balmy. 276 00:14:35,074 --> 00:14:37,375 But eventually, the climate will heat up and the first 277 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:40,511 colonists will use the water to irrigate crops. 278 00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:43,548 We'll have food, water, energy, and land, 279 00:14:43,983 --> 00:14:46,417 a foundation for sustaining future human life. 280 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:48,452 Rose Eveleth: It would be a huge endeavor, right? 281 00:14:48,487 --> 00:14:49,921 Just the engineering question of getting. 282 00:14:49,956 --> 00:14:52,123 I mean, we don't send that many people to space, right? 283 00:14:52,158 --> 00:14:56,193 Um, the idea of taking humans, plural, up into space, 284 00:14:56,228 --> 00:14:58,729 I mean that is just an incredible amount of energy and 285 00:14:58,764 --> 00:15:02,333 resources and planning, and all of that. 286 00:15:02,935 --> 00:15:04,969 Narrator: Thinking about re-programming a whole planet 287 00:15:05,004 --> 00:15:07,271 seems impossible. 288 00:15:07,306 --> 00:15:10,041 But mankind has been moving into hostile environments 289 00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:11,843 and making them habitable for thousands of years. 290 00:15:13,813 --> 00:15:15,880 Look what happened to a small barren rock in the middle of 291 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:18,716 the Atlantic ocean after the father of evolution 292 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:20,785 made a pit stop. 293 00:15:24,957 --> 00:15:27,391 Sam weber: It's like another world. 294 00:15:27,426 --> 00:15:30,995 When you come from the uk or some other green nation, 295 00:15:31,697 --> 00:15:33,965 you land in the airfield amongst the lava and the cinders, 296 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,434 I've never been anywhere quite like it before. 297 00:15:38,304 --> 00:15:41,172 In the 1830s, Charles Darwin visited ascension on his voyage 298 00:15:41,207 --> 00:15:43,174 around the world on the beagle. 299 00:15:43,209 --> 00:15:46,510 It was very young, lots of barren, volcanic lava flows. 300 00:15:46,545 --> 00:15:49,113 There was no natural running fresh water. 301 00:15:49,148 --> 00:15:51,749 Narrator: When Darwin arrived, Ascension Island might as well 302 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:53,617 have been Mars. 303 00:15:53,652 --> 00:15:56,120 He could breathe air there, but there was no edible food, 304 00:15:56,155 --> 00:15:58,155 and no fresh water. 305 00:15:58,190 --> 00:16:00,792 It was not habitable for humans in the long term. 306 00:16:05,731 --> 00:16:07,665 Sam weber: Obviously, when Darwin would visit this issue of 307 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,967 trying to get water and get food was the chief concern 308 00:16:10,002 --> 00:16:12,470 of the time, for the military that were based here. 309 00:16:12,505 --> 00:16:14,305 Darwin would have seen that himself. 310 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:17,608 And after he returned to the uk, the idea of vegetating green 311 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:19,643 mountain to try and increase the water supply, 312 00:16:19,678 --> 00:16:22,279 was gradually put together with his great friend, Joseph hooker, 313 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:24,148 who later became the director of the royal 314 00:16:24,183 --> 00:16:25,850 botanic gardens at kew. 315 00:16:25,885 --> 00:16:27,852 And over the latter part of the 19th century, 316 00:16:27,887 --> 00:16:30,488 they began bringing in hundreds of species of plants, 317 00:16:30,523 --> 00:16:32,656 to vegetate the island. 318 00:16:32,691 --> 00:16:35,559 Narrator: Darwin and hooker sent a Noah's ark of plants and 319 00:16:35,594 --> 00:16:38,129 trees, chosen to transform the island, 320 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:40,664 and to create fresh water. 321 00:16:40,699 --> 00:16:43,534 And we'll have to send a similar care package in order 322 00:16:43,569 --> 00:16:46,070 to terraform a place like Mars. 323 00:16:46,939 --> 00:16:48,406 Sam weber: Some species were brought in to create pasture for 324 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,241 cows, uh, and sheep. 325 00:16:50,276 --> 00:16:52,343 Other species were brought in as wind breaks. 326 00:16:52,378 --> 00:16:54,845 And some, like this huge ficus tree we can see behind us, 327 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,548 were brought in to strip the moisture out of these mists 328 00:16:57,583 --> 00:16:59,417 blowing across the mountain, uh, 329 00:16:59,452 --> 00:17:01,185 which is dripping down on us now. 330 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:03,354 And uh, increase the water supply in the 331 00:17:03,389 --> 00:17:06,024 Wells that they dug. 332 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:09,326 Narrator: After two centuries, Ascension Island has been 333 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:12,363 transformed, and Darwin and hooker's attempt at 334 00:17:12,398 --> 00:17:15,566 proto-terraforming the island for humans was a success. 335 00:17:17,203 --> 00:17:19,403 But, we can't ignore the flipside to terraforming a 336 00:17:19,438 --> 00:17:21,939 barren rock, with its own native ecology. 337 00:17:23,642 --> 00:17:25,342 Sam weber: Well this area where we are now in, 338 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:28,212 in the mid-elevation regions would have been incredibly 339 00:17:28,247 --> 00:17:31,849 barren when, when hooker and Darwin first visited the island. 340 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:34,885 Uh, much of the low-lying plain around, 341 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,622 around coastal regions were coated in lava and ash fields. 342 00:17:38,657 --> 00:17:41,292 The introductions that Darwin and hooker and others carried 343 00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:44,628 out fundamentally changed the ecology of Ascension Island. 344 00:17:44,663 --> 00:17:46,430 Introduced species, by their nature, they, 345 00:17:46,465 --> 00:17:50,267 they lack the normal controls that were keeping them in check 346 00:17:50,302 --> 00:17:51,469 in their native habitats. 347 00:17:51,504 --> 00:17:54,405 So once they arrive, they often run amok, uh, 348 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,176 and can't exist in balance with the ecosystems they invade. 349 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:07,284 Narrator: On Mars or ascension or anywhere, really, 350 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:08,752 when you change an ecosystem, 351 00:18:08,787 --> 00:18:11,055 there will be winners and losers. 352 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:13,791 On ascension, humans made the island livable, 353 00:18:14,527 --> 00:18:16,961 but at the expense of the natural habitat. 354 00:18:18,364 --> 00:18:21,265 Sam weber: Hooker knew what the consequences of his actions were 355 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:24,668 likely to be, but hooker obviously made a value judgment 356 00:18:24,703 --> 00:18:28,105 at that time, securing water and food was far more important than 357 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:31,008 any kind of modern conservation imperative. 358 00:18:31,043 --> 00:18:33,110 So he pressed ahead. 359 00:18:33,145 --> 00:18:34,745 It's always going to be a problem when, 360 00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:38,282 when people's needs come into conflict with wildlife. 361 00:18:39,985 --> 00:18:41,652 Narrator: What's the extinction of a few plants compared with 362 00:18:41,687 --> 00:18:43,487 the extinction of humanity? 363 00:18:43,522 --> 00:18:45,122 Right? 364 00:18:45,157 --> 00:18:46,624 Well, not really. 365 00:18:46,659 --> 00:18:48,759 That's too short sighted. 366 00:18:48,794 --> 00:18:50,661 What creature was eating those ferns? 367 00:18:50,696 --> 00:18:52,196 And what predator was eating the creature that 368 00:18:52,231 --> 00:18:53,797 was eating those ferns? 369 00:18:53,832 --> 00:18:55,833 Will they all go extinct? 370 00:18:55,868 --> 00:18:58,970 And in the end, will those extinctions lead to our own? 371 00:19:00,206 --> 00:19:02,506 This likely won't be a problem on Mars. 372 00:19:02,541 --> 00:19:04,809 As far as we know, there are no lifeforms there. 373 00:19:05,911 --> 00:19:08,412 But what if we need to terraform someplace else? 374 00:19:09,481 --> 00:19:11,715 Some futurists think option "b" might be Jupiter's moon, 375 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:13,184 europa. 376 00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:15,052 Why? 377 00:19:15,087 --> 00:19:17,454 Because it looks like it could be covered in water and water 378 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:20,057 means the possibility of life. 379 00:19:25,731 --> 00:19:28,199 Eva's scientific colleagues are getting ready to set up a 380 00:19:28,234 --> 00:19:30,668 colony there and they're putting the hard sell on 381 00:19:30,703 --> 00:19:32,169 her to join them. 382 00:19:32,204 --> 00:19:36,307 If europa is incubating life in its waters, shouldn't Eva, 383 00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:39,076 a geneticist by trade, be rushing to work there? 384 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:41,378 Eva: Why not just port there? 385 00:19:41,413 --> 00:19:44,682 It's not exactly welcoming to biological life. 386 00:19:44,717 --> 00:19:47,385 Well, apart from the biological forms in its oceans. 387 00:19:48,254 --> 00:19:49,386 Woman: Exactly. 388 00:19:49,421 --> 00:19:51,855 This is a geneticist's dream. 389 00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:54,191 Man: This is the only other non-terrestrial life we've found 390 00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:56,427 in our galaxy so far. 391 00:19:56,462 --> 00:19:58,563 Man: We've been fantasizing about this for decades. 392 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:01,866 Eva: But what, what about the radiation on europa, 393 00:20:02,234 --> 00:20:03,434 and the temperatures? 394 00:20:03,469 --> 00:20:05,703 Woman: We're not saying there aren't risks. 395 00:20:05,738 --> 00:20:08,439 Man: We're saying, it's worth it. 396 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:14,778 Eva: I need to be here. 397 00:20:14,813 --> 00:20:16,247 Man: We'll call you when we get there. 398 00:20:16,282 --> 00:20:17,648 Woman: Bye. 399 00:20:27,926 --> 00:20:30,594 Narrator: If we've learned anything from Ascension Island, 400 00:20:30,629 --> 00:20:33,464 colonizing a place that has existing life forms 401 00:20:33,499 --> 00:20:36,934 raises a lot of challenges both practical and ethical. 402 00:20:39,772 --> 00:20:42,273 In another echo of Ascension Island, 403 00:20:42,308 --> 00:20:45,909 when we terraform europa, we run the risk of potentially 404 00:20:45,944 --> 00:20:49,313 destroying mirco-organisms that could eventually evolve 405 00:20:49,348 --> 00:20:52,316 into intelligent life. 406 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:55,319 Annalee Newitz: We're creatures that evolved in the water, 407 00:20:55,354 --> 00:20:58,456 and that's why europa seems so interesting, 408 00:20:59,191 --> 00:21:02,259 because we're fairly certain that there is a massive ocean 409 00:21:02,294 --> 00:21:05,429 underneath a crust of ice. 410 00:21:05,464 --> 00:21:09,566 Unfortunately, the only way we can find life is by drilling 411 00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:13,337 through the ice and putting a robot in the water. 412 00:21:13,372 --> 00:21:16,841 So you know, uh, what could go wrong? 413 00:21:17,843 --> 00:21:19,443 N.K. Jemisin: We're going to this other world, 414 00:21:19,478 --> 00:21:20,844 and even with the best of intentions, 415 00:21:20,879 --> 00:21:24,148 we might end up doing kind of tremendous harm. 416 00:21:25,317 --> 00:21:28,719 Annalee Newitz: In the movie 2010, the sequel to 2001, 417 00:21:29,388 --> 00:21:32,656 there's an often-quoted moment where the aliens say to the 418 00:21:32,691 --> 00:21:36,127 humans, all these worlds are yours except europa. 419 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:39,530 Attempt no landings there. 420 00:21:40,065 --> 00:21:42,666 Narrator: Not only could we end life on europa, 421 00:21:42,701 --> 00:21:45,369 one wrong move and europa could end us. 422 00:21:45,404 --> 00:21:47,438 A planet with life means biological hazards 423 00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:49,340 left and right. 424 00:21:49,375 --> 00:21:51,709 Forget little green men with ray guns, 425 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:55,946 what we should really fear is a virus or germ that our bodies 426 00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:59,850 can't handle, an invasive species that invades us. 427 00:22:01,086 --> 00:22:04,121 Martin Rees: If we found life, even simple life, 428 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,890 we ought to not let it contaminate us on earth. 429 00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:10,461 So we would treat any uh, planet which turned out to have 430 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:12,896 life on it, rather as we treat the antarctic, 431 00:22:12,931 --> 00:22:15,566 as a sort of natural wilderness. 432 00:22:16,535 --> 00:22:18,902 Annalee Newitz: One of my hopes is that, 433 00:22:18,937 --> 00:22:21,905 as we move to other planets or moons, 434 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:27,244 that we always consider our work to be not turning it into earth, 435 00:22:28,113 --> 00:22:31,882 but creating little pockets of habitable space for humans, 436 00:22:32,951 --> 00:22:37,087 and huge areas that are just the natural habitat. 437 00:22:37,122 --> 00:22:40,591 Because we don't want to make the mistake that we've made on 438 00:22:40,626 --> 00:22:43,827 earth so many times, where we go into a habitat that doesn't 439 00:22:43,862 --> 00:22:47,331 contain humans, and just wreck all of the creatures 440 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,200 that live there. 441 00:22:51,537 --> 00:22:53,504 Narrator: And europa is the most likely place we 442 00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:56,607 would run into that life. 443 00:22:56,642 --> 00:22:58,575 And like any colonial civilization, 444 00:22:58,610 --> 00:23:01,178 keeping the settlers safe is critical to our survival 445 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,447 as a species. 446 00:23:09,254 --> 00:23:12,055 Eva's been examining the genes of europa's settler remotely, 447 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:13,524 since they landed. 448 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:15,359 And it looks like there's a problem. 449 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,394 Eva: Oh, stop. 450 00:23:17,429 --> 00:23:19,630 Oscar: What? 451 00:23:19,665 --> 00:23:21,064 Eva: It's mutated. 452 00:23:21,099 --> 00:23:22,800 Oscar: Is that bad? 453 00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:25,269 Eva: That's catastrophic. 454 00:23:25,304 --> 00:23:27,738 It's an extremely delicate ecosystem which we're trying to 455 00:23:27,773 --> 00:23:28,939 leave unscathed. 456 00:23:28,974 --> 00:23:32,176 And if we don't contain it, we. 457 00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:38,615 Okay, compose message to the europa colony. 458 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:41,285 Status, urgent. 459 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,454 Please implement, stat. 460 00:23:43,489 --> 00:23:46,557 For your safety and the well-being of europa. 461 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,492 Stay safe, guys. 462 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,534 Who knew it would be this easy to change the world, huh? 463 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:07,277 Narrator: Survival deeper and deeper into the cosmos won't 464 00:24:07,312 --> 00:24:09,079 always be welcoming. 465 00:24:09,114 --> 00:24:11,782 Even though the human race will ultimately thrive, 466 00:24:11,817 --> 00:24:14,284 there may be casualties along the way. 467 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:16,821 Space, it's dangerous out there! 468 00:24:19,224 --> 00:24:21,825 We've left earth, terraformed Mars, 469 00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:24,528 and encountered life in the depth's of europa's crust. 470 00:24:24,563 --> 00:24:26,697 All that space exploration and travel doesn't come 471 00:24:26,732 --> 00:24:28,465 without a cost. 472 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,467 And much of that cost will likely need to be 473 00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:32,536 paid in energy! 474 00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:35,138 And we'll get that energy from a huge megastructure 475 00:24:35,173 --> 00:24:37,374 called a Dyson sphere... 476 00:24:40,679 --> 00:24:43,013 That we will build around the sun. 477 00:24:48,587 --> 00:24:51,522 Narrator: If we've learned anything so far, 478 00:24:51,557 --> 00:24:53,524 it's that making the solar system habitable for future 479 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:55,826 humans is no small feat. 480 00:24:55,861 --> 00:24:59,229 Our existence will become so advanced and complex that we 481 00:24:59,264 --> 00:25:01,532 are going to need energy on a level that our brains 482 00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:03,767 have only begun to imagine. 483 00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:07,571 Brian Greene: As we look at technological growth, 484 00:25:07,606 --> 00:25:10,140 we find that it's increasing exponentially. 485 00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:12,843 But of course, then the power needs are going up 486 00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:14,578 exponentially, too. 487 00:25:14,613 --> 00:25:16,914 So you can look into the future and say, 488 00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:21,051 where are we ever going to muster the kind of power that 489 00:25:21,086 --> 00:25:22,920 we'll need in the far future? 490 00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:25,556 We can't get it just on planet earth. 491 00:25:25,591 --> 00:25:29,059 So you go to a nearby object that has enough power to meet 492 00:25:29,094 --> 00:25:31,194 your needs, which would be the sun. 493 00:25:31,229 --> 00:25:33,830 Charles Soule: Every star is potentially a source of energy, 494 00:25:33,865 --> 00:25:36,166 every star in the sky is something that we could use 495 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:39,536 within our civilization to advance ourselves. 496 00:25:39,571 --> 00:25:41,705 Rose Eveleth: If we had the ability to get all of the energy 497 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:44,541 of our sun and use it, we would solve so many conflicts that are 498 00:25:44,576 --> 00:25:45,842 existing right now. 499 00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:47,611 There wouldn't be the need to drill for oil, 500 00:25:47,646 --> 00:25:50,748 there wouldn't be the need to burn coal. 501 00:25:52,117 --> 00:25:54,051 Narrator: Drilling for oil and burning coal will seem like the 502 00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:56,620 stuff of cave men. 503 00:25:56,655 --> 00:25:58,889 When we harness the power of the sun, 504 00:25:58,924 --> 00:26:01,058 the once limited resource of energy will 505 00:26:01,093 --> 00:26:03,661 now become near unlimited. 506 00:26:04,596 --> 00:26:06,897 We'll have one less thing to fight wars over, 507 00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:09,900 and our ever-expanding populace will always be able to keep the 508 00:26:09,935 --> 00:26:12,102 lights on, indefinitely. 509 00:26:13,171 --> 00:26:15,940 Enter the Dyson sphere. 510 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:22,913 Brian Greene: A Dyson sphere is an idea that Freeman Dyson put 511 00:26:22,948 --> 00:26:25,248 forward a long time ago. 512 00:26:25,283 --> 00:26:28,251 And the idea simply is, you've got a star out there, this big, 513 00:26:28,286 --> 00:26:31,956 burning nuclear furnace, 150 million kilometers away. 514 00:26:32,991 --> 00:26:36,293 Why not encase it in a big sphere, if you will, 515 00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:39,596 that can capture all the energy that otherwise would 516 00:26:39,631 --> 00:26:42,799 just stream off into space. 517 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:46,169 Annalee Newitz: So you literally build a shell around the sun, 518 00:26:46,204 --> 00:26:48,438 and live on the inside of the shell. 519 00:26:48,473 --> 00:26:52,809 And that way, you can suck up every single possible photon and 520 00:26:52,844 --> 00:26:55,679 convert it into energy for your civilization. 521 00:26:55,714 --> 00:26:57,614 Baratunde Thurston: Our creativity, 522 00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:59,683 married to technology, will find new sources of energy, 523 00:26:59,718 --> 00:27:02,285 and we'll be able to harness power from the sun in a way that 524 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,587 we couldn't imagine yet. 525 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:05,922 Chuck Nice: So fear not, people. 526 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:06,823 It's okay. 527 00:27:06,858 --> 00:27:08,125 I'm lying. 528 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,960 I'm scared to death. 529 00:27:10,495 --> 00:27:12,195 Narrator: Building something as big and complicated as the 530 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:14,298 Dyson sphere is a little scary. 531 00:27:15,834 --> 00:27:18,869 But what will our solar powered civilization look like? 532 00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:21,638 Will we even still have human forms? 533 00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:25,542 Some futurists thinks the Dyson sphere will be used to power up 534 00:27:25,577 --> 00:27:29,046 the metaverse, the real life matrix computer world 535 00:27:29,081 --> 00:27:31,348 we may all eventually live inside of. 536 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:35,118 Charles Soule: And we're living inside this box, 537 00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:37,988 orbiting the sun, all of human consciousness, 538 00:27:38,023 --> 00:27:40,891 all of us put together in this beautiful puddle of minds. 539 00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:43,360 It sounds like, it's magic, right? 540 00:27:43,395 --> 00:27:45,829 It's when magic and science become kind of the same thing. 541 00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:48,532 Narrator: Whether we will be human bodies or human code 542 00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:50,500 we're going to need big energy, 543 00:27:50,535 --> 00:27:54,171 and big science to make a Dyson sphere because 544 00:27:54,206 --> 00:27:56,707 it's just so big. 545 00:27:58,243 --> 00:28:01,278 Current human life uses about 15 trillion watts of power. 546 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,681 A Dyson sphere could be able to extract 547 00:28:04,716 --> 00:28:08,585 4 times 10 to the 26 watts of power. 548 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:11,588 That's 26 zeros after the one. 549 00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:13,590 Think about that for a moment. 550 00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:15,826 26. 551 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:18,028 Still going. 552 00:28:18,463 --> 00:28:20,263 Rose Eveleth: I mean, just like the scale at which 553 00:28:20,298 --> 00:28:21,598 this exists, right. 554 00:28:21,633 --> 00:28:23,600 The, if, this is bigger than a death star. 555 00:28:23,635 --> 00:28:26,336 This is bigger than like, you know, like that's no moon, no, 556 00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:28,672 that's no sun, like it's huge. 557 00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:31,441 Narrator: The Dyson sphere would be enormous, 558 00:28:31,476 --> 00:28:34,611 a gigantic globe that would include not only the earth, 559 00:28:34,646 --> 00:28:37,614 but every planet between us and the sun. 560 00:28:38,817 --> 00:28:41,451 The Dyson sphere would be capable of powering all of the 561 00:28:41,486 --> 00:28:44,588 tech inside of it, and even outside of it. 562 00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:48,291 Remember that colony we set up on europa? 563 00:28:48,326 --> 00:28:50,961 It may be outside the Dyson sphere, 564 00:28:50,996 --> 00:28:54,565 but it's still using it as a giant super battery. 565 00:28:56,101 --> 00:28:58,401 So how are we going to start the biggest construction 566 00:28:58,436 --> 00:29:01,939 job ever attempted in the history of the known universe? 567 00:29:03,775 --> 00:29:07,077 The Dyson sphere is 600 million times bigger than the 568 00:29:07,112 --> 00:29:11,248 surface of earth, so that means we need more matter than 569 00:29:11,283 --> 00:29:13,450 we have on this planet. 570 00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:16,687 We will have to find what we need out in space, 571 00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:19,757 from other planets and on asteroids, 572 00:29:20,192 --> 00:29:23,193 which are chock full of iron and other metals. 573 00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:25,762 Rose Eveleth: Asteroid mining is the next big thing in space. 574 00:29:25,797 --> 00:29:28,465 I mean, they're already, NASA is building big nets to catch 575 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,501 asteroids, to mine them. 576 00:29:31,536 --> 00:29:33,503 Charles Soule: If we can just, like, bring, like, 577 00:29:33,538 --> 00:29:36,473 asteroid mining online and, and can just access all of that 578 00:29:36,508 --> 00:29:39,276 stuff out there, then we could build an entirely new society. 579 00:29:39,311 --> 00:29:42,145 Narrator: But there's a potential wrinkle with mining 580 00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:44,748 asteroids: Who owns these huge, 581 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,683 potentially lucrative gold mines? 582 00:29:47,185 --> 00:29:49,452 Whoever gets there first. 583 00:29:49,487 --> 00:29:51,788 Peter Diamandis: And some of the asteroids we have targeted 584 00:29:51,823 --> 00:29:54,991 are half a kilometer in size, and they're on the open market, 585 00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:57,527 trillion-dollar assets. 586 00:29:57,562 --> 00:29:58,995 Rose Eveleth: We've already had a couple of political 587 00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:00,096 fights about the moon, right. 588 00:30:00,131 --> 00:30:01,431 We need the moon. 589 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:03,533 If somebody messes up the moon, it's a big problem. 590 00:30:03,568 --> 00:30:05,635 So there's already sort of treaties about how the moon is 591 00:30:05,670 --> 00:30:06,670 kind of off-limits. 592 00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:08,471 But asteroids are not. 593 00:30:08,506 --> 00:30:10,207 And so I think that we're going to see some really interesting 594 00:30:10,242 --> 00:30:13,710 geopolitical conflicts over asteroids. 595 00:30:13,745 --> 00:30:16,012 Narrator: Besides asteroids, we can also plunder the 596 00:30:16,047 --> 00:30:18,515 resources of a few planets. 597 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:20,450 George Dvorsky: Mercury and Venus. 598 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,285 These planets are dead, there's no life on it, 599 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,154 they really serve no purpose and it'll be exceptionally 600 00:30:24,189 --> 00:30:25,555 difficult to terraform them. 601 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:26,790 Mercury, in particular. 602 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:29,793 So why not use that mass for our needs? 603 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:32,863 Narrator: It's a solar system-wide renovation. 604 00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:35,532 Here's how it will work. 605 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,735 First we'll build a factory on the surface of Mercury. 606 00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:41,571 Robots will melt and manufacture materials 607 00:30:41,606 --> 00:30:43,340 for solar panels, 608 00:30:43,375 --> 00:30:45,876 that will help power even more and more production. 609 00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:50,146 Next, we launch these solar panels into space, 610 00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:53,016 position them in place around the sun to form the 611 00:30:53,051 --> 00:30:55,719 massive Dyson sphere. 612 00:30:57,355 --> 00:30:59,356 Anders Sandberg: So you would start by putting an automated 613 00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:01,091 factory on the surface. 614 00:31:01,126 --> 00:31:04,527 Solar powered, it churns out robots to dig up material, 615 00:31:04,562 --> 00:31:07,898 melt it together to make more solar panels and more robots and 616 00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:09,699 more mining equipment. 617 00:31:09,734 --> 00:31:12,535 After a while, you've covered much of the surface of Mercury 618 00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:14,704 with these factories. 619 00:31:14,739 --> 00:31:17,908 Then we start making launch devices to launch solar panels 620 00:31:17,943 --> 00:31:19,609 into space. 621 00:31:19,644 --> 00:31:22,012 Narrator: We'll have access to nearly unlimited energy 622 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:24,214 and this floating sphere will allow production 623 00:31:24,249 --> 00:31:26,416 to speed up exponentially. 624 00:31:27,085 --> 00:31:29,052 George Dvorsky: You'll start to see the entire sun enveloped by 625 00:31:29,087 --> 00:31:31,788 this massive bubble of solar panels. 626 00:31:31,823 --> 00:31:34,357 And, from an outside observer, the sun will largely have been 627 00:31:34,392 --> 00:31:36,760 extinguished, because now, inside that zone, 628 00:31:36,795 --> 00:31:39,062 we're capturing all of the solar energy available, 629 00:31:39,097 --> 00:31:41,731 through the Dyson sphere, to be able to power it and supply, 630 00:31:41,766 --> 00:31:43,900 you know, our civilization with its energy needs. 631 00:31:43,935 --> 00:31:47,904 Chuck Nice: Hopefully we will have, I'm going to say it, 632 00:31:47,939 --> 00:31:50,707 flying cars. 633 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:53,877 Narrator: I know, it does seem like this giant sphere is just 634 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,613 as fantastical as a flying car. 635 00:31:56,648 --> 00:32:00,017 But it's the most logical and efficient use of a star's power 636 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:03,620 that humanity has dreamed up. 637 00:32:03,655 --> 00:32:08,458 And, in 2015, researchers at SETI noticed a star whose light 638 00:32:08,493 --> 00:32:10,727 flickers mysteriously. 639 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:14,664 Some theorize that the light pattern indicates that the star 640 00:32:14,699 --> 00:32:17,634 is surrounded by a Dyson sphere. 641 00:32:19,537 --> 00:32:21,638 That's how much some members of the scientific community 642 00:32:21,673 --> 00:32:24,474 believe an advance civilization would depend on 643 00:32:24,509 --> 00:32:27,577 this kind of megastructure. 644 00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:29,779 But with anything this big, it's likely we may have to do 645 00:32:29,814 --> 00:32:31,748 a little troubleshooting along the way. 646 00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:37,153 Brian Greene: One of the issues with a Dyson sphere is that it 647 00:32:37,188 --> 00:32:40,757 will warm up, because it's surrounding the sun, 648 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:44,294 and then it will start to radiate energy in its own right. 649 00:32:45,663 --> 00:32:48,932 Do you just let that energy itself now go off into space and 650 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:51,968 be wasted, or do you have another sphere that captures the 651 00:32:52,003 --> 00:32:56,006 waste energy of the first sphere, and make use of it. 652 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:58,475 Narrator: So we'll have a sphere outside the 653 00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:02,112 Dyson sphere that will suck up every last bit of energy. 654 00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:04,280 And we'll need it once we are so technologically 655 00:33:04,315 --> 00:33:06,850 advanced that every bit of power will count. 656 00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:11,721 But at some point the sun's energy not going to 657 00:33:11,756 --> 00:33:14,190 be enough energy. 658 00:33:14,225 --> 00:33:17,060 Mars and Mercury will run out of resources. 659 00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:20,463 And all of us, include Eva and Oscar, 660 00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:23,967 who have digitally uploaded to the metaverse, 661 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,236 will have to make the hardest of choices and 662 00:33:26,271 --> 00:33:28,338 abandon earth once and for all. 663 00:33:33,445 --> 00:33:36,913 Eva: We must maximize our energy efficiency. 664 00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:39,983 We don't have the materials. 665 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:43,053 Mercury will be gone by the time we're done here. 666 00:33:43,088 --> 00:33:45,355 Oscar: We can move onto Venus. 667 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:47,524 Mine it, too. 668 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:49,626 And then, after? 669 00:33:51,062 --> 00:33:52,996 Eva: Are you sure? 670 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,431 Oscar: Well, if we don't have enough resources, 671 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:56,366 we might have to. 672 00:33:56,401 --> 00:33:58,535 Eva: But, that's our home. 673 00:33:58,570 --> 00:34:00,703 Oscar: It was. 674 00:34:00,738 --> 00:34:03,106 But we've moved on. 675 00:34:03,808 --> 00:34:06,543 And those who haven't, we can relocate. 676 00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:14,384 Narrator: It will be a sad moment when we have to leave 677 00:34:14,419 --> 00:34:16,286 our planet behind. 678 00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:18,455 But since we'll all be digital, 679 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:22,159 we don't really need it to exist. 680 00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:25,462 So where does humanity go from here? 681 00:34:25,964 --> 00:34:27,630 How do you level up when you have colonized the entire 682 00:34:27,665 --> 00:34:31,301 solar system and become post-human? 683 00:34:31,836 --> 00:34:34,904 Brian Greene: The natural next step, beyond Dyson spheres, 684 00:34:34,939 --> 00:34:37,441 if we're able to harness the energy of individual stars, 685 00:34:38,943 --> 00:34:41,845 would be to harness the energy of the galaxy. 686 00:34:44,282 --> 00:34:46,816 Narrator: One of the reasons we fight over resources is because 687 00:34:46,851 --> 00:34:48,885 of the question of ownership. 688 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,488 One country has oil, the other country wants it. 689 00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:53,990 But once we start looking beyond our solar system 690 00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,825 for resources, 691 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:59,562 the question of who owns what gets a little more interesting. 692 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:01,564 Annalee Newitz: Say we use up our whole solar system, 693 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,633 and then we say, alright, well, we used up the whole 694 00:35:03,668 --> 00:35:05,602 solar system, let's go over to, you know, 695 00:35:05,637 --> 00:35:07,303 the next solar system. 696 00:35:07,338 --> 00:35:11,141 Eventually, we are going to run into a civilization, 697 00:35:11,176 --> 00:35:16,279 or even just lifeforms, that are actually using that matter. 698 00:35:16,314 --> 00:35:18,281 N. K. Jemisin: If we decide, as a species, yeah, alright, 699 00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:20,850 let's, let's turn Mercury into a lawn, I don't think 700 00:35:20,885 --> 00:35:22,652 that's a huge problem. 701 00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:24,954 It's when we go somewhere else, where there are other people, 702 00:35:24,989 --> 00:35:27,790 where we're like, hey, let's turn their Mercury into a lawn. 703 00:35:27,825 --> 00:35:29,092 And they're like, "no, we actually really 704 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:30,360 like that Mercury. 705 00:35:30,395 --> 00:35:32,328 Could you not?" 706 00:35:32,363 --> 00:35:34,030 Narrator: We've left our planet. 707 00:35:34,065 --> 00:35:36,432 We've claimed and mined others. 708 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:39,269 We've harnessed the complete energy of the sun. 709 00:35:39,304 --> 00:35:42,005 But we've done it alone, and on our own terms. 710 00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:45,742 But eventually, we're not going to be alone. 711 00:35:49,547 --> 00:35:51,981 Once we expand our reach as a civilization, 712 00:35:52,016 --> 00:35:53,983 who will we meet? 713 00:35:54,018 --> 00:35:56,920 And will they be happy to see us? 714 00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:08,965 Narrator: Earth has become unlivable because of a disaster 715 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,068 or just wear and tear and we now live somewhere 716 00:36:12,103 --> 00:36:14,571 in outer space. 717 00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,873 So far, it's just us humans out there, 718 00:36:16,908 --> 00:36:19,209 but it might not always be so. 719 00:36:19,244 --> 00:36:21,744 We're bound to run into some weird-looking alien creatures 720 00:36:21,779 --> 00:36:23,813 on one planet or another, right? 721 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:25,248 Martin Rees: It's such a fascinating question. 722 00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:26,883 It's the question I'm most often asked, 723 00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:28,718 when people know I'm an astronomer. 724 00:36:28,753 --> 00:36:31,854 The question, whether we are alone in the universe, 725 00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:34,691 or whether there's other intelligence. 726 00:36:34,726 --> 00:36:38,361 There are billions of earth-like planets orbiting 727 00:36:38,396 --> 00:36:40,430 other stars in our galaxy. 728 00:36:40,465 --> 00:36:43,499 And many of them could harbor life. 729 00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:45,868 Narrator: Billions of earth-like planets? 730 00:36:45,903 --> 00:36:48,104 Well, then it does seem likely that we are not alone. 731 00:36:50,074 --> 00:36:52,709 Imagining what the aliens look like out here has practically 732 00:36:52,744 --> 00:36:54,611 become a cottage industry for Sci-Fi. 733 00:36:56,414 --> 00:36:58,881 Matt Mira: Nothing terrified me more as a kid than those 734 00:36:58,916 --> 00:37:02,185 gray aliens that I would see on "unsolved mysteries". 735 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:05,188 Where people would get abducted, you know? 736 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:09,559 "Unsolved mysteries", you play the music and if you are my age 737 00:37:09,594 --> 00:37:13,897 you're terrified of either being abducted by step parents or 738 00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:16,766 being abducted by aliens. 739 00:37:16,801 --> 00:37:19,535 Negin Farsad: I saw the movie "arrival" and like I liked the 740 00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:23,907 idea of aliens just sort of like forming in your face. 741 00:37:25,009 --> 00:37:26,242 Like, they're not like, 742 00:37:26,277 --> 00:37:28,811 "hello, shake my hand, I'm an alien." 743 00:37:28,846 --> 00:37:31,447 Chuck Nice: I like the alien alien with the mouth out of the 744 00:37:31,482 --> 00:37:33,816 mouth and his like little teeny mouth that comes, 745 00:37:33,851 --> 00:37:35,551 and why do you need that, honestly? 746 00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:37,887 That's just a little gratuitous, but who cares? 747 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,589 It's awesome. 748 00:37:41,492 --> 00:37:43,726 Narrator: So why hasn't Mr. Spock, or alf, 749 00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:46,095 or Chewbacca come down here to have a drink with us 750 00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:47,664 at the cantina? 751 00:37:47,699 --> 00:37:49,666 Futurists all have different theories! 752 00:37:50,468 --> 00:37:51,801 Matt Mira: I don't know if there's any alien 753 00:37:51,836 --> 00:37:53,169 life out there. 754 00:37:53,204 --> 00:37:55,171 The numbers tell us it should be, 755 00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:58,341 but if there is intelligent life, then where is it? 756 00:37:58,676 --> 00:38:00,443 We should have seen it by now. 757 00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:02,578 It should have contacted us. 758 00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,847 Anders Sandberg: A disturbing possibility might be that 759 00:38:04,882 --> 00:38:07,017 intelligence is actually fairly common, 760 00:38:07,552 --> 00:38:10,453 but it just doesn't last very long. 761 00:38:10,488 --> 00:38:13,823 The milky way is literally more than 10 billion years old. 762 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,492 There could have been intelligence, 763 00:38:16,527 --> 00:38:18,695 billions of years ago, and we would not be able to 764 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:20,630 see the traces. 765 00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:23,132 Charles Soule: But the odds of that our civilization is going 766 00:38:23,167 --> 00:38:26,302 to have started roughly around the same time as theirs did and 767 00:38:26,337 --> 00:38:28,104 it's going to be close enough for us to sort of, like, 768 00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:29,839 get in contact with each other, to me, 769 00:38:29,874 --> 00:38:31,908 the odds seem extraordinarily high against it. 770 00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:35,011 Rose Eveleth: It's just such a huge universe. 771 00:38:35,046 --> 00:38:37,313 Of course it's hard to find other things. 772 00:38:37,348 --> 00:38:39,449 Maybe they're having this exact same conversation, right, 773 00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:41,217 where they're saying, where is everybody else, 774 00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:43,486 like what's going on? 775 00:38:43,521 --> 00:38:45,788 Narrator: Either that we missed each other by a few billion 776 00:38:45,823 --> 00:38:47,991 years or a few billion light years. 777 00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:51,494 And there are other possibilities. 778 00:38:51,529 --> 00:38:53,897 Oscar and Eva have decided to live in the metaverse. 779 00:38:54,866 --> 00:38:56,899 Who's to say that other alien species haven't decided to do 780 00:38:56,934 --> 00:38:58,801 the same themselves? 781 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:00,837 Could that be the eventual end point for 782 00:39:00,872 --> 00:39:03,606 all intelligent life? 783 00:39:05,209 --> 00:39:07,176 Philip rosedale: Maybe, as soon as everybody becomes smart 784 00:39:07,211 --> 00:39:09,145 enough, they just build virtual worlds, 785 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:11,180 and they don't spend that much time flying around, 786 00:39:11,215 --> 00:39:12,749 looking at all these other worlds. 787 00:39:12,784 --> 00:39:16,085 If virtual worlds folded up inside of computers represent 788 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,421 such a vast space of possibilities, 789 00:39:18,456 --> 00:39:21,557 then logically speaking, the aliens wouldn't necessarily hang 790 00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:24,594 out here that much, because here is a kind of an almost empty 791 00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:26,796 desert, where there's very little life at all. 792 00:39:27,565 --> 00:39:29,832 Maybe we're about to start doing the same thing. 793 00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:33,336 Maybe we'll never go that far into space, or that many of us, 794 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,905 because we just kind of go inside the computers. 795 00:39:37,308 --> 00:39:39,942 Narrator: So maybe aliens are living on a computer cloud 796 00:39:39,977 --> 00:39:41,878 millions and millions of miles away, 797 00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:43,946 living their best virtual lives. 798 00:39:43,981 --> 00:39:46,682 But who's to say we would even recognize alien life if 799 00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:48,217 we saw it? 800 00:39:48,252 --> 00:39:51,988 And who's to say that alien life would even recognize us? 801 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,791 Martin Rees: I do worry about the extent to which we are 802 00:39:54,826 --> 00:39:57,127 limited by the capacity of our own brain. 803 00:39:58,162 --> 00:40:01,130 We have to bear in mind that there could be some aspects of 804 00:40:01,165 --> 00:40:04,000 reality which our brains will never understand. 805 00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,904 Matt Mira: There's the theory that it has contacted us, 806 00:40:07,939 --> 00:40:10,640 and we were too dumb to understand what it was saying. 807 00:40:10,675 --> 00:40:12,408 Narrator: It's possible aliens just don't want to 808 00:40:12,443 --> 00:40:14,143 hang out with us. 809 00:40:14,178 --> 00:40:16,279 Do they not think we're cool enough? 810 00:40:16,314 --> 00:40:18,614 We have iPhones and we're on our way to having 811 00:40:18,649 --> 00:40:20,850 a Dyson sphere, so what gives? 812 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,922 Brian Greene: You know, when we walk by an ant hill, 813 00:40:25,957 --> 00:40:28,024 we don't feel compelled to go have dinner with the ants. 814 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,160 They're not that interesting to us. 815 00:40:31,195 --> 00:40:33,262 And if there is this advanced civilization out there, 816 00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:35,431 we're like the ants. 817 00:40:35,466 --> 00:40:36,732 Why would they come? 818 00:40:36,767 --> 00:40:37,900 For what reason? 819 00:40:37,935 --> 00:40:40,336 Not enough pull. 820 00:40:40,371 --> 00:40:42,372 Nothing compelling here for them to come and visit. 821 00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:45,441 Narrator: Well, even if the aliens don't find 822 00:40:45,476 --> 00:40:48,011 us compelling, I am not too offended. 823 00:40:48,546 --> 00:40:50,112 I'd say we've grown exponentially 824 00:40:50,147 --> 00:40:52,081 as a civilization. 825 00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:54,851 We've even made our entire solar system our home. 826 00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:56,786 We may or may not have met aliens, 827 00:40:56,821 --> 00:40:59,956 but we have definitely harnessed or used up every bit 828 00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:02,125 of power and matter we have available to us. 829 00:41:03,127 --> 00:41:06,062 But when we've done these incredible things, what next? 830 00:41:08,733 --> 00:41:11,267 Turns out advanced civilization can, 831 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:15,004 in the immortal words of "spinal tap", 'go to 11.' 832 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:17,974 it's up to us to imagine how. 833 00:41:24,715 --> 00:41:26,382 Narrator: So, we've arrived. 834 00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:28,551 Humankind is now a solar-system-spanning 835 00:41:28,586 --> 00:41:31,053 civilization, with colonies across multiple 836 00:41:31,088 --> 00:41:32,889 planets and moons. 837 00:41:32,924 --> 00:41:36,792 We've colonized space and prolonged the human race. 838 00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:39,362 The crazy part is: We're only halfway to achieving the full 839 00:41:39,397 --> 00:41:43,199 imagined potential of any race. 840 00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:45,368 Rose Eveleth: A civilization can sometimes be judged by how 841 00:41:45,403 --> 00:41:48,004 efficient it uses its energy, and there is this concept that 842 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,073 sort of ranks civilizations based on how much energy they 843 00:41:51,108 --> 00:41:53,976 can get from their sun or suns around it. 844 00:41:54,011 --> 00:41:55,978 Narrator: According to Soviet astrophysicist, 845 00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:58,681 Nikolai Kardashev, civilizations can be ranked 846 00:41:58,716 --> 00:42:00,950 according to how much energy they have at their disposal. 847 00:42:01,886 --> 00:42:04,687 He created a three-tiered scale to define and 848 00:42:04,722 --> 00:42:06,689 measure how advanced a society is. 849 00:42:09,627 --> 00:42:11,994 Anders Sandberg: The Kardashev scale is a kind of shorthand for 850 00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:14,397 looking at the sizes or powers of civilizations. 851 00:42:15,099 --> 00:42:19,135 So a level I civilization uses all the energy on the planet. 852 00:42:20,404 --> 00:42:21,904 Brian Greene: The next step would be hey, 853 00:42:21,939 --> 00:42:25,074 can you go further and harness all of the sun's energy. 854 00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:28,210 That's what a Dyson sphere ultimately would be. 855 00:42:28,245 --> 00:42:30,947 They'd be a, a billion times more efficient at grabbing the 856 00:42:30,982 --> 00:42:33,716 sun's energy than we can possibly do here on 857 00:42:33,751 --> 00:42:35,919 our lonely planet earth. 858 00:42:37,455 --> 00:42:39,622 Narrator: And the third level would be beyond the 859 00:42:39,657 --> 00:42:43,092 Dyson sphere, where we'd figure out how to suck up 860 00:42:43,127 --> 00:42:45,662 all the energy in the galaxy. 861 00:42:46,263 --> 00:42:48,931 Right now, humans aren't even at a level one. 862 00:42:48,966 --> 00:42:52,402 And we've only imagined up to level two in science fiction. 863 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:55,571 Anders Sandberg: One could compare the Kardashev scale to 864 00:42:55,606 --> 00:42:57,306 some pop culture references. 865 00:42:57,341 --> 00:43:00,910 So imagine coruscant, a city that covers an entire planet in 866 00:43:00,945 --> 00:43:02,578 the "star wars". 867 00:43:02,613 --> 00:43:05,047 That would be a level I civilization. 868 00:43:05,082 --> 00:43:07,416 A level II civilization would be a Dyson shell 869 00:43:07,451 --> 00:43:08,951 surrounding a star. 870 00:43:08,986 --> 00:43:11,621 It shows up in some episodes of Star Trek, 871 00:43:11,656 --> 00:43:15,057 but Kardashev level III civilizations very rarely show 872 00:43:15,092 --> 00:43:17,660 up in pop culture, because it's so hard to even depict 873 00:43:17,695 --> 00:43:21,397 what it means to harness an entire galaxy. 874 00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:23,733 Narrator: That's right, Hollywood can't even imagine 875 00:43:23,768 --> 00:43:26,268 what a type III civilization will look like. 876 00:43:26,303 --> 00:43:27,970 It's just too big for our limited 877 00:43:28,005 --> 00:43:30,740 21st century minds. 878 00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:33,142 But if we can't even begin to imagine what a level 879 00:43:33,177 --> 00:43:36,646 3 Kardashev race looks like, how can we ever achieve it? 880 00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:41,117 And more importantly, before we start on this future-forward 881 00:43:41,152 --> 00:43:44,754 journey, can we make sure that when we fan out across the 882 00:43:44,789 --> 00:43:47,590 universe, we won't make the same mistakes we made on 883 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:50,994 earth that will force us to leave the planet? 884 00:43:51,996 --> 00:43:53,996 Annalee Newitz: All of the outer planets would've been 885 00:43:54,031 --> 00:43:56,966 converted into the Dyson sphere, to build it. 886 00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:02,138 So, the Dyson sphere could be kind of an ecological disaster 887 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,840 at a solar system level. 888 00:44:04,875 --> 00:44:06,776 Rose Eveleth: Space exploration is colonization, 889 00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:08,778 and I think that's an important thing to think about, 890 00:44:08,813 --> 00:44:11,480 because if we decide we want to colonize something, 891 00:44:11,515 --> 00:44:14,817 that often means that we are killing and stealing. 892 00:44:14,852 --> 00:44:17,053 Baratunde Thurston: Part of what we have happening with the way 893 00:44:17,088 --> 00:44:19,822 technology is unleashed on the world, 894 00:44:19,857 --> 00:44:22,158 is that people just do it. 895 00:44:23,027 --> 00:44:25,127 And then the consequences be damned. 896 00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:26,395 They come later. 897 00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:27,963 We don't care what it does to the environment. 898 00:44:27,998 --> 00:44:31,734 I mean, the automobile is a great example of like a 899 00:44:31,769 --> 00:44:35,338 super-awesome invention that is killing the planet. 900 00:44:36,874 --> 00:44:39,341 Narrator: In other words, if we do get to level two, 901 00:44:39,376 --> 00:44:42,011 the Dyson sphere, we may screw up the universe the way 902 00:44:42,046 --> 00:44:43,746 we did up our planet. 903 00:44:43,781 --> 00:44:46,783 And that means humankind won't last until level 3. 904 00:44:47,952 --> 00:44:49,585 If we're going to leave the planet, 905 00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:52,355 we need to do so consciously and carefully. 906 00:44:53,257 --> 00:44:56,192 Greenhouse gas emissions and global warming didn't worry 907 00:44:56,227 --> 00:44:59,462 Henry Ford a century ago when he was inventing the model t. 908 00:45:00,464 --> 00:45:03,599 And now we can cross the country by car in a week, 909 00:45:03,634 --> 00:45:06,402 but we won't have a polar ice cap. 910 00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:11,741 Chuck Nice: So my suggestion is, why don't we just take care of 911 00:45:11,776 --> 00:45:13,709 this planet? 912 00:45:13,744 --> 00:45:15,411 How about we do that? 913 00:45:15,446 --> 00:45:17,880 You know, it's kind of like, yeah, 914 00:45:17,915 --> 00:45:20,416 why don't we throw away the dishes cause I don't feel like 915 00:45:20,451 --> 00:45:21,884 washing them? 916 00:45:21,919 --> 00:45:24,887 Like that's the idea that we have towards this earth and 917 00:45:24,922 --> 00:45:27,056 it's, I don't think it's realistic. 918 00:45:27,091 --> 00:45:29,725 Negin Farsad: Like we should spend all that money on making 919 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,262 sure earth is awesome and like literally none of it on Mars. 920 00:45:34,965 --> 00:45:37,233 Narrator: What if we decide that instead of finding 921 00:45:37,268 --> 00:45:39,969 new ways to explore the outer reaches of space, 922 00:45:40,004 --> 00:45:41,937 we make the earth work for us? 923 00:45:41,972 --> 00:45:44,607 It'd certainly be a lot more comfortable here. 924 00:45:44,642 --> 00:45:46,642 Chuck Nice: The kind of space travel that we need to do 925 00:45:46,677 --> 00:45:48,711 right now, you have to sacrifice pretty much everything 926 00:45:48,746 --> 00:45:49,779 in order to do it. 927 00:45:49,814 --> 00:45:51,914 Like, I couldn't go to space. 928 00:45:51,949 --> 00:45:54,650 If you told me right now I had the opportunity right now to go, 929 00:45:54,685 --> 00:45:57,520 even to like the kuiper belt and back, I wouldn't do it. 930 00:45:58,956 --> 00:46:00,422 Charles Soule: I like traveling to places, right, 931 00:46:00,457 --> 00:46:02,458 but I also like coming home to my own place where, like, 932 00:46:02,493 --> 00:46:04,994 I have my own netflix and I've got my own, you know, 933 00:46:05,029 --> 00:46:06,896 the food that I'm familiar with and all those things. 934 00:46:06,931 --> 00:46:09,131 Like, there's a reason we don't live in Antarctica. 935 00:46:09,166 --> 00:46:11,267 I mean, humans can survive there, but it sucks. 936 00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:14,069 Narrator: It's true. 937 00:46:14,104 --> 00:46:16,505 Space is cool on "Star Trek", 938 00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:20,009 but in reality, it would indeed be very difficult. 939 00:46:20,978 --> 00:46:24,180 And that's why keeping earth alive as long as possible 940 00:46:24,215 --> 00:46:26,649 is our most logical course of action. 941 00:46:27,017 --> 00:46:28,450 For now. 942 00:46:28,485 --> 00:46:31,821 The future will bring exploration: Mankind has been 943 00:46:31,856 --> 00:46:34,456 charting new and more difficult paths since the 944 00:46:34,491 --> 00:46:36,759 birth of civilization. 945 00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:38,594 It doesn't seem like we're going to stop now. 946 00:46:38,629 --> 00:46:41,430 Let's just hope we have learned from our mistakes, 947 00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:44,033 and that we'll treat our galaxy better than we've 948 00:46:44,068 --> 00:46:47,003 treated our forests and our oceans. 949 00:46:47,872 --> 00:46:51,240 After all, outer space is the last great uncharted territory, 950 00:46:52,343 --> 00:46:54,143 filled with substances and structures we 951 00:46:54,178 --> 00:46:56,145 can only imagine. 952 00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:59,348 So get ready for dark matter, wormholes, 953 00:46:59,383 --> 00:47:02,318 and parallel universes. 84795

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