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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 www.fmsubs.com 2 00:01:19,078 --> 00:01:25,093 ♪ ♪ 3 00:01:35,093 --> 00:01:41,943 ♪ ♪ 4 00:01:50,943 --> 00:01:56,857 ♪ ♪ 5 00:02:04,857 --> 00:02:10,669 ♪ ♪ 6 00:02:16,669 --> 00:02:19,146 (boat motor) 7 00:02:28,146 --> 00:02:34,392 ♪ ♪ 8 00:02:40,392 --> 00:02:44,095 INTERVIEWER: I think I've read somewhere, maybe someone told me that when you were a child 9 00:02:44,096 --> 00:02:46,998 you used to dream as a man. 10 00:02:46,999 --> 00:02:48,399 JANE: Yeah. 11 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,235 I was typically a man, I went on adventures. 12 00:02:51,236 --> 00:02:53,071 INTERVIEWER: How come? 13 00:02:53,072 --> 00:02:56,341 JANE: Probably because at the time I wanted to do things which men did 14 00:02:56,342 --> 00:02:58,512 and women didn't. 15 00:03:00,512 --> 00:03:05,357 You know going to Africa, living with animals, that's all I ever thought about. 16 00:03:11,357 --> 00:03:16,761 Everything led in the most natural way, it seems now, to that magical invitation to 17 00:03:16,762 --> 00:03:21,700 Africa in 1957 where I would meet Dr. Louis Leakey, 18 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:26,907 who had sent me on my way to Gombe and the chimpanzees. 19 00:03:29,907 --> 00:03:33,945 I had no training, no degree. 20 00:03:33,946 --> 00:03:37,948 But Louis didn't care about academic credentials. 21 00:03:37,949 --> 00:03:42,922 What he was looking for was someone with an open mind, with a passion for knowledge, 22 00:03:43,922 --> 00:03:46,603 with a love of animals, and with monumental patience. 23 00:03:57,603 --> 00:04:01,574 My mission was to get close to the chimpanzees, 24 00:04:02,574 --> 00:04:06,127 to live among them, to be accepted. 25 00:04:23,127 --> 00:04:25,634 (distant growling) 26 00:04:29,634 --> 00:04:35,812 I wanted to come as close to talking to animals as I could, to be like Doctor Doolittle. 27 00:04:40,812 --> 00:04:44,892 I wanted to move among them without fear, like Tarzan. 28 00:04:54,892 --> 00:05:00,906 ♪ ♪ 29 00:05:08,906 --> 00:05:11,009 ♪ ♪ 30 00:05:12,009 --> 00:05:17,648 The huge, gnarled, and ancient trees, the little streams chuckling their way through 31 00:05:17,649 --> 00:05:20,319 rocky pathways to the lake. 32 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:23,827 The birds. The insects. 33 00:05:28,827 --> 00:05:33,867 Since I was eight or nine years old, I had dreamed of being in Africa, 34 00:05:34,867 --> 00:05:37,004 of living in the bush among wild animals. 35 00:05:39,004 --> 00:05:43,180 And suddenly, I found I was actually living in my dream. 36 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:51,884 I already felt that I belonged to this new forest world. 37 00:05:52,884 --> 00:05:56,031 That this was where I was meant to be. 38 00:06:06,031 --> 00:06:11,380 ♪ ♪ 39 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:27,057 ♪ ♪ 40 00:06:33,057 --> 00:06:38,497 When I arrived in Gombe, I had no idea what I was going to do except that 41 00:06:39,497 --> 00:06:44,234 I was going to try and get the chimpanzees used to me, so that I could really learn 42 00:06:44,235 --> 00:06:46,136 about what they were doing. 43 00:06:46,137 --> 00:06:49,097 That was, that was in the back of my mind because I'd watched other animals, 44 00:06:50,074 --> 00:06:53,811 and the only way to learn about them is when they know you're there but 45 00:06:53,812 --> 00:06:55,112 they ignore you. 46 00:06:55,113 --> 00:06:57,250 INTERVIEWER: Except they can rip your face off. 47 00:06:58,250 --> 00:06:59,749 -Well, I didn't know that. 48 00:06:59,750 --> 00:07:01,585 I didn't think about that! 49 00:07:01,586 --> 00:07:03,921 There was nobody talking about that. 50 00:07:03,922 --> 00:07:06,256 INTERVIEWER: There was no fear of chimpanzees in the wild? 51 00:07:06,257 --> 00:07:12,331 -You have to realize that back then, there were no people out in the field whose research I 52 00:07:13,331 --> 00:07:18,636 could read about except this one man, and he saw chimps once or maybe twice in the 53 00:07:18,637 --> 00:07:20,604 three months of his study. 54 00:07:20,605 --> 00:07:24,609 And then much earlier on, there was this crazy man who painted himself with 55 00:07:24,610 --> 00:07:29,024 baboon shit, I think, and sat in hides, in hopes that chimps would appear. 56 00:07:40,024 --> 00:07:43,297 There were plenty of snakes, many poisonous snakes. 57 00:07:45,297 --> 00:07:48,867 And to be honest, I always believed that if you walk carefully, 58 00:07:49,867 --> 00:07:53,410 you don't startle a snake, you don't tread on it, they're not going to hurt you. 59 00:07:58,410 --> 00:08:03,226 I had this probably crazy feeling, 'nothing's going to hurt me, I'm meant to be here." 60 00:08:14,226 --> 00:08:19,940 ♪ ♪ 61 00:08:28,940 --> 00:08:34,355 ♪ ♪ 62 00:08:44,355 --> 00:08:49,270 ♪ ♪ 63 00:08:59,270 --> 00:09:04,421 ♪ ♪ 64 00:09:16,421 --> 00:09:20,438 (wind) 65 00:09:34,438 --> 00:09:38,086 (branches crackling) 66 00:09:48,086 --> 00:09:53,764 ♪ ♪ 67 00:09:59,764 --> 00:10:05,839 I watched them feeding in a large fig tree, calling noisily from time to time. 68 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:10,816 The trees came alive. 69 00:10:17,816 --> 00:10:21,854 And so began one of the most exciting periods of my life. 70 00:10:22,854 --> 00:10:25,033 The time of discovery. 71 00:10:35,033 --> 00:10:38,539 ♪ ♪ 72 00:10:41,539 --> 00:10:44,475 My life fell into a rhythm. 73 00:10:44,476 --> 00:10:46,177 Day after day. 74 00:10:46,178 --> 00:10:48,480 In the sun, the wind and the rain. 75 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,321 I climbed into the hills and stayed with the chimps from dawn... 76 00:10:56,321 --> 00:10:58,094 until darkness fell. 77 00:11:02,094 --> 00:11:05,365 Most times I would encounter a group of chimps or a single chimp, 78 00:11:07,365 --> 00:11:10,437 but there were times when I couldn't find them at all. 79 00:11:12,437 --> 00:11:17,413 And when I tried to get closer, they ran off as soon as they saw me. 80 00:11:22,413 --> 00:11:25,918 I was an intruder. 81 00:11:26,918 --> 00:11:29,523 And a strange one at that. 82 00:11:31,523 --> 00:11:36,696 As I am not a defeatist, it only made my determination to succeed stronger. 83 00:11:37,696 --> 00:11:40,364 I never had any thought of quitting. 84 00:11:40,365 --> 00:11:44,376 I should forever have lost all self respect if I had given up. 85 00:11:52,376 --> 00:11:56,716 I became totally absorbed into this forest existence. 86 00:11:57,716 --> 00:12:02,755 I could give myself up to the sheer pleasure of being on my own in the rugged terrain 87 00:12:04,755 --> 00:12:08,730 that I was coming to know as well as I had known the Bournemouth cliffs as a child. 88 00:12:12,730 --> 00:12:14,101 It was an unparalleled period. 89 00:12:16,101 --> 00:12:18,908 When aloneness was a way of life. 90 00:12:23,908 --> 00:12:28,282 And even as I was, bit by bit, piecing together something of their way of life, 91 00:12:30,282 --> 00:12:33,763 so they were getting used to the sight of the strange white ape. 92 00:12:44,763 --> 00:12:50,447 ♪ ♪ 93 00:13:03,447 --> 00:13:06,125 (rushing water) 94 00:13:14,125 --> 00:13:17,827 In those days, it was not thought at all safe for a young, 95 00:13:17,828 --> 00:13:21,167 single girl to go into the wilds of Africa. 96 00:13:22,167 --> 00:13:25,038 I had to choose a companion. 97 00:13:27,038 --> 00:13:29,914 It was my mother who volunteered. 98 00:13:36,914 --> 00:13:42,554 Mom set up a clinic; she handed out medicine to many of the local fisherman. 99 00:13:43,554 --> 00:13:47,666 Patients would walk for miles to get treatment. 100 00:13:54,666 --> 00:13:57,235 INTERVIEWER: What was your relationship like with your father? 101 00:13:58,235 --> 00:14:00,671 JANE: I didn't really know my father. He went off to the war. 102 00:14:00,672 --> 00:14:05,011 When war broke out I was five and of course I hugely admired him, 103 00:14:07,011 --> 00:14:09,513 but he didn't really care about children. 104 00:14:09,514 --> 00:14:11,520 So, I couldn't say I had a relationship with him. 105 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,394 I think the most important part about my mother was that she listened. 106 00:14:22,394 --> 00:14:24,194 She was always fair. 107 00:14:24,195 --> 00:14:26,131 She was never angry without a reason. 108 00:14:27,131 --> 00:14:29,135 She supported me and my love of animals. 109 00:14:31,135 --> 00:14:32,936 She never said, "Well, you're just a girl. 110 00:14:32,937 --> 00:14:34,404 You can't do that. 111 00:14:34,405 --> 00:14:36,907 Why don't you dream about something you can achieve?" 112 00:14:36,908 --> 00:14:39,711 Which is what everybody else told me. 113 00:14:40,711 --> 00:14:45,788 So it was my mother who really built up my self-esteem. 114 00:14:49,788 --> 00:14:55,328 Like most children before the age of TV and computer games, I loved being outside. 115 00:14:57,328 --> 00:15:01,168 Playing in the secrets places in the garden, learning about nature. 116 00:15:04,168 --> 00:15:10,509 I spent many hours high above the ground at the top of my favorite tree and 117 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:16,582 I would read up there in my own leafy and private world. 118 00:15:18,582 --> 00:15:23,420 It was daydreaming about life in the forest with Tarzan that lead to my determination to go 119 00:15:23,421 --> 00:15:28,596 to Africa to live with animals and write books about them. 120 00:15:32,596 --> 00:15:36,335 I never had any aspiration of being married and having a family. 121 00:15:37,335 --> 00:15:39,202 It just didn't come into my way of thinking. 122 00:15:39,203 --> 00:15:41,474 It simply wasn't there. 123 00:15:42,474 --> 00:15:45,178 Going to Africa, living with animals. 124 00:15:47,178 --> 00:15:50,451 That's all I ever thought about. 125 00:15:53,451 --> 00:15:58,725 We were by no means a wealthy family, so university wasn't an option. 126 00:16:00,725 --> 00:16:04,631 But I still wanted to work with animals in some far off place. 127 00:16:07,631 --> 00:16:10,300 I got a job as a waitress. 128 00:16:10,301 --> 00:16:14,174 I saved my wages and my tips, every penny I could... 129 00:16:17,174 --> 00:16:20,318 to get me to Africa. 130 00:16:28,318 --> 00:16:33,662 But even though I was living my childhood dream, I couldn't help but be concerned 131 00:16:37,662 --> 00:16:40,006 because I couldn't get close to the chimps. 132 00:16:49,006 --> 00:16:54,184 ♪ ♪ 133 00:17:00,184 --> 00:17:04,890 I didn't know if they would ever get used to me. 134 00:17:05,890 --> 00:17:08,036 And time was running out. 135 00:17:18,036 --> 00:17:22,782 ♪ ♪ 136 00:17:31,782 --> 00:17:35,287 (thunder) 137 00:17:36,287 --> 00:17:41,727 INTERVIEWER: How frustrating was it trying to study them in those early days? 138 00:17:42,727 --> 00:17:45,327 -It was probably mostly frustrating because they kept running away. 139 00:17:47,132 --> 00:17:51,300 And while chimpanzees are running away from you, you can't really get down to the 140 00:17:51,301 --> 00:17:57,141 details of their behavior and in the back of my mind it was always the fear if I don't 141 00:17:57,142 --> 00:17:58,741 find out something exciting. 142 00:17:58,742 --> 00:18:03,115 The money will run out cause all my earlier observations were either chimps 143 00:18:05,115 --> 00:18:10,187 close up running away or sitting on the peak or some other spot and 144 00:18:10,188 --> 00:18:12,623 watching them through binoculars. 145 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:17,930 And so, you know, from those early observations 146 00:18:18,930 --> 00:18:23,376 it was very clear that I wasn't really learning anything much. 147 00:18:32,376 --> 00:18:34,384 (wind) 148 00:18:39,384 --> 00:18:42,125 I'd been in Gombe for five months. 149 00:18:47,125 --> 00:18:50,796 It had been a frustrating morning. 150 00:18:51,796 --> 00:18:55,868 I had tramped up and down three different valleys in search of chimps, 151 00:18:57,868 --> 00:18:59,227 but had found none. 152 00:19:22,227 --> 00:19:26,997 I soon recognized the adult male less fearful than the others whom I 153 00:19:26,998 --> 00:19:32,342 already knew by sight because of the distinctive white hair on his chin. 154 00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:42,923 And unlike the others, he didn't run. 155 00:19:52,923 --> 00:19:58,039 ♪ ♪ 156 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:15,088 ♪ ♪ 157 00:20:25,088 --> 00:20:29,096 ♪ ♪ 158 00:20:32,096 --> 00:20:36,905 (hooting and calling) 159 00:20:41,905 --> 00:20:46,347 After months of patient and tireless observation, I had been rewarded. 160 00:20:50,347 --> 00:20:53,486 The chimps had accepted me. 161 00:20:55,486 --> 00:21:00,358 And gradually I was able to penetrate further and further into a magic world that no 162 00:21:01,358 --> 00:21:05,429 human had explored before. 163 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:08,284 The world of the wild chimpanzees. 164 00:21:26,284 --> 00:21:28,128 ♪ ♪ 165 00:21:38,128 --> 00:21:43,144 ♪ ♪ 166 00:21:54,144 --> 00:21:57,984 Finally, I was allowed to observe the chimpanzees closely. 167 00:22:00,984 --> 00:22:04,522 I learned that chimpanzees spend long hours in grooming sessions. 168 00:22:05,522 --> 00:22:08,063 They, like us, need friendly contact and reassurance. 169 00:22:12,063 --> 00:22:14,101 As I got to know them as individuals I named them. 170 00:22:17,101 --> 00:22:22,172 David Greybeard, with his calm and dignified personality and often 171 00:22:22,173 --> 00:22:26,380 he was accompanied by the top ranking male at the time, Goliath. 172 00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:34,053 Mr. McGregor, a somewhat belligerent old male, and then there was Flo, 173 00:22:36,053 --> 00:22:40,195 with her bulbous nose and ragged ears along with her infant daughter Fifi. 174 00:22:45,195 --> 00:22:49,966 Staring into the eyes of a chimpanzee, I saw a thinking, 175 00:22:49,967 --> 00:22:53,713 reasoning personality looking back. 176 00:23:03,713 --> 00:23:08,796 ♪ ♪ 177 00:23:18,796 --> 00:23:20,896 ♪ ♪ 178 00:23:20,897 --> 00:23:25,939 I was learning from some of the most fascinating creatures of our times. 179 00:23:27,939 --> 00:23:30,912 And I realized that they were all part of one group. 180 00:23:34,912 --> 00:23:37,489 A community. 181 00:23:44,489 --> 00:23:46,160 And the more I learned, 182 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:55,288 the more I realized how like us they were in so many ways. 183 00:24:17,288 --> 00:24:21,227 At that time in the early 1960's it was held at least by many scientists 184 00:24:23,227 --> 00:24:26,129 that only humans had minds. 185 00:24:26,130 --> 00:24:29,002 Only humans were capable of rational thought. 186 00:24:32,002 --> 00:24:36,144 Fortunately, I had not been to university, and I did not know these things. 187 00:24:41,144 --> 00:24:46,850 I felt very much as though I was learning about fellow beings capable of joy and 188 00:24:46,851 --> 00:24:51,510 sorrow, fear, and jealousy. 189 00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:18,224 (hooting) 190 00:25:28,224 --> 00:25:33,244 (screaming) 191 00:26:21,244 --> 00:26:23,951 (chimp heavy breathing) 192 00:26:26,951 --> 00:26:32,588 Louis Leakey sent me to Gombe because he believed that an understanding of chimpanzees 193 00:26:32,589 --> 00:26:38,144 in the wild would help him to better guess how our Stone Age ancestors may have behaved. 194 00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:57,479 It had long been thought that we were the only creatures on earth that used 195 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,817 and made tools. 196 00:27:00,817 --> 00:27:03,625 Man the toolmaker is how we were defined. 197 00:27:08,625 --> 00:27:12,304 And here was David Greybeard using a tool. 198 00:27:20,304 --> 00:27:23,844 It was hard for me to believe what I had seen. 199 00:27:26,844 --> 00:27:31,151 A few days later I watched spellbound as chimps set off to a termite mound, 200 00:27:34,151 --> 00:27:38,755 picked a small leafy twig, then stripped it of its leaves. 201 00:27:38,756 --> 00:27:41,257 That was object modification. 202 00:27:41,258 --> 00:27:43,897 The crude beginning of tool making. 203 00:27:47,897 --> 00:27:51,343 It had never been seen before. 204 00:27:59,343 --> 00:28:01,845 ♪ ♪ 205 00:28:01,846 --> 00:28:07,018 When I telegramed the news to Louis Leakey he responded that we must now redefine man 206 00:28:08,018 --> 00:28:11,557 or accept chimpanzee's as human. 207 00:28:14,557 --> 00:28:18,963 My observations at Gombe would challenge human uniqueness and whenever that happens... 208 00:28:19,963 --> 00:28:22,902 there is always a violent uproar. 209 00:28:24,902 --> 00:28:28,537 There were some who would try to discredit my observations because I was a young, 210 00:28:28,538 --> 00:28:31,779 untrained girl and should, therefore, be disregarded. 211 00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:38,781 The result of it all, however, was that Louis was able to obtain a grant from the 212 00:28:38,782 --> 00:28:42,623 National Geographic Society to continue my study. 213 00:28:45,623 --> 00:28:50,294 In addition, they would be sending out a photographer to document the chimpanzees. 214 00:29:23,294 --> 00:29:24,294 (inaudible) 215 00:29:26,262 --> 00:29:28,198 Hi, I'm Jane. 216 00:29:28,199 --> 00:29:29,270 -Hugo 217 00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:38,274 INTERVIEWER: Jane, for someone who enjoyed your solitude, 218 00:29:38,275 --> 00:29:41,344 were you concerned about bringing another person into your... 219 00:29:41,345 --> 00:29:42,711 -Yeah. 220 00:29:42,712 --> 00:29:45,884 No, I wasn't particularly happy, but it was part of the deal. 221 00:29:46,884 --> 00:29:48,684 Geographic funds you. 222 00:29:48,685 --> 00:29:50,957 They must cover the research. 223 00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:56,392 It was my project. 224 00:29:56,393 --> 00:29:59,169 And he came to, you know, document my project. 225 00:30:05,169 --> 00:30:09,415 And I just didn't want anybody coming into my little paradise. 226 00:30:19,415 --> 00:30:24,991 ♪ ♪ 227 00:30:27,991 --> 00:30:30,694 INTERVIEWER: What were your first impressions of Hugo? 228 00:30:31,694 --> 00:30:34,564 -Well, Hugo smoked. 229 00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:37,501 He almost chained smoked. 230 00:30:38,501 --> 00:30:41,040 And all the butts on the floor, oh I have always hated smoking. 231 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,508 And he was a perfectionist. 232 00:30:46,509 --> 00:30:49,513 It drove me nuts. 233 00:30:50,513 --> 00:30:55,788 But at the same time, you know, he was a nice looking guy and his voice was quiet. 234 00:30:58,788 --> 00:31:03,692 -The first evening Hugo spent telling me about the films that he'd made and his 235 00:31:03,693 --> 00:31:07,065 childhood and how he had always wanted to photograph animals. 236 00:31:08,065 --> 00:31:10,571 So we had a lot in common. 237 00:31:15,571 --> 00:31:21,110 And I think it was pretty obvious to me right from the start that I was a subject of 238 00:31:21,111 --> 00:31:23,163 interest as well as the chimps. 239 00:31:39,163 --> 00:31:42,835 One day we were greeted with fantastic news. 240 00:31:44,835 --> 00:31:49,575 A chimp had crept into my tent and had taken some bananas left from my supper. 241 00:31:51,575 --> 00:31:54,247 Perhaps he would come again. 242 00:31:57,247 --> 00:32:01,829 And so the next day, Hugo and I waited. 243 00:32:12,829 --> 00:32:16,969 As the hours went by, I began to fear that the chimp wouldn't come. 244 00:32:18,969 --> 00:32:23,778 Then a black shape appeared on the other side of the clearing. 245 00:32:27,778 --> 00:32:30,779 I recognized him at once. 246 00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:33,785 It was David Greybeard. 247 00:32:34,785 --> 00:32:37,720 I could hardly believe it. 248 00:32:37,721 --> 00:32:40,157 For months the chimps had been running off when they saw me. 249 00:32:41,157 --> 00:32:43,067 Now one had actually visited my camp. 250 00:32:50,067 --> 00:32:53,980 After that I always had a supply of bananas ready. 251 00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:09,221 ♪ ♪ 252 00:33:12,221 --> 00:33:15,564 The chimps often came to camp looking for bananas. 253 00:33:20,564 --> 00:33:25,846 And gradually they allowed me to get closer and closer. 254 00:33:35,846 --> 00:33:42,362 ♪ ♪ 255 00:33:52,362 --> 00:33:56,810 ♪ ♪ 256 00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:09,422 (camera shutter) 257 00:34:19,422 --> 00:34:25,764 It was absolutely thrilling to have the chimpanzees so close, 258 00:34:27,764 --> 00:34:30,681 but the bananas feedings were not without problems. 259 00:34:44,681 --> 00:34:47,517 (hooting and calling) 260 00:34:47,518 --> 00:34:52,092 As they lost their fear of us, the chimps quickly proved to be unconscionable thieves. 261 00:34:55,092 --> 00:34:59,764 They would steal blankets, cloths from the kitchen, shirts and pillows, 262 00:35:00,764 --> 00:35:03,509 and cardboard boxes- wonderful things to chew on. 263 00:35:12,509 --> 00:35:17,889 (metal clanging) 264 00:35:26,889 --> 00:35:31,000 (screaming) 265 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,472 No longer did the chimpanzees arrive in small quiet parties. 266 00:35:42,472 --> 00:35:48,877 Instead, they invaded our camp in huge groups and aggressive competition between 267 00:35:48,878 --> 00:35:51,257 chimpanzees increased. 268 00:36:00,257 --> 00:36:02,661 (screaming) 269 00:36:05,661 --> 00:36:09,369 Occasionally, we had to seek shelter. 270 00:36:13,369 --> 00:36:15,182 And the aggression became more serious. 271 00:36:26,182 --> 00:36:31,798 ♪ ♪ 272 00:36:42,798 --> 00:36:48,807 ♪ ♪ 273 00:36:51,807 --> 00:36:56,882 In order to stop the aggression, we decided to create the feeding station. 274 00:36:58,882 --> 00:37:03,099 With the hope that it would control their aggressive tendencies and bring peace. 275 00:37:17,099 --> 00:37:22,077 Now, using hand operated steel boxes we could manage the feeding in an organized way. 276 00:37:27,077 --> 00:37:32,992 As a result, we were able to make closer observations than ever before. 277 00:37:41,992 --> 00:37:48,932 ♪ ♪ 278 00:37:49,932 --> 00:37:53,206 Old Flo was easy to identify, she had a bulbous nose and ragged ears. 279 00:37:56,206 --> 00:37:59,010 Flo was the top ranked female of her community and could dominate all 280 00:38:00,010 --> 00:38:02,611 the other females. 281 00:38:02,612 --> 00:38:04,014 But none of the adult males. 282 00:38:05,014 --> 00:38:08,487 For in chimpanzee society males are the dominant sex. 283 00:38:11,487 --> 00:38:14,960 One day she came to camp with a pink swelling on her backside. 284 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,364 It was a sign that she was ready for mating. 285 00:38:21,364 --> 00:38:25,478 Many of the males quickly realized and began their pursuit. 286 00:38:35,478 --> 00:38:39,521 She was followed by a long line of suitors. 287 00:38:45,521 --> 00:38:49,558 It was from Flo that I first learned that in the wild female chimps do 288 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,262 not just have one mate. 289 00:38:53,262 --> 00:38:55,000 She allowed them all to mate with her. 290 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,179 And Fifi hated it. 291 00:39:09,179 --> 00:39:14,894 ♪ ♪ 292 00:39:24,894 --> 00:39:27,196 INTERVIEWER: It must have been exciting to have been joined by someone who 293 00:39:27,197 --> 00:39:29,198 shared your passions. 294 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:31,034 -No, that's right. 295 00:39:32,034 --> 00:39:36,708 We both loved being out in nature and we both loved the work we were doing. 296 00:39:38,708 --> 00:39:42,289 We just got on very well. 297 00:39:52,289 --> 00:39:58,304 ♪ ♪ 298 00:40:08,304 --> 00:40:14,286 ♪ ♪ 299 00:40:23,286 --> 00:40:27,358 ♪ ♪ 300 00:40:28,358 --> 00:40:32,697 Hugo's time in Gombe was almost over. 301 00:40:33,697 --> 00:40:37,369 I cared for him, and I knew that I would miss him, 302 00:40:39,369 --> 00:40:43,372 but then after he had left I 303 00:40:43,373 --> 00:40:46,460 received a telegram. 304 00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:09,876 ♪ ♪ 305 00:41:19,876 --> 00:41:25,923 ♪ ♪ 306 00:41:33,923 --> 00:41:39,662 ♪ ♪ 307 00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:44,436 INTERVIEWER: When you and Hugo decided to get married, what were your plans? 308 00:41:46,436 --> 00:41:50,538 JANE: You know honestly, we didn't really make long term plans, we really didn't. 309 00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:55,960 We just wanted to go back to Gombe and make films. 310 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,800 When we returned to Gombe, there was wonderful news. 311 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,371 Flo gave birth to a son. 312 00:42:21,371 --> 00:42:24,378 I called him Flint. 313 00:42:29,378 --> 00:42:35,584 When Flint was born it gave Hugo and I the opportunity to initiate a study that could 314 00:42:35,585 --> 00:42:39,888 last 50 years. 315 00:42:39,889 --> 00:42:44,892 And it was the first time an infant chimpanzee and the relationship between parent 316 00:42:44,893 --> 00:42:48,507 and child could be observed so closely in the wild. 317 00:42:58,507 --> 00:43:04,583 ♪ ♪ 318 00:43:06,583 --> 00:43:11,623 As a mother Flo was affectionate, tolerant, and nurturing 319 00:43:13,623 --> 00:43:17,302 and used distraction rather than punishment to teach her small infant. 320 00:43:27,302 --> 00:43:32,110 ♪ ♪ 321 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:37,782 Fifi soon became utterly preoccupied with her infant brother. 322 00:43:39,782 --> 00:43:41,984 She tried to handle him. 323 00:43:41,985 --> 00:43:45,460 But Flo very gently prevented her. 324 00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:55,997 Eventually though as soon as she was allowed she played with him, groomed him, 325 00:43:55,998 --> 00:43:58,034 and carried him around. 326 00:43:59,034 --> 00:44:02,382 Indeed, she became a real help to her mother. 327 00:44:12,382 --> 00:44:17,663 ♪ ♪ 328 00:44:26,663 --> 00:44:31,010 ♪ ♪ 329 00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:47,960 ♪ ♪ 330 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:04,710 ♪ ♪ 331 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:19,579 ♪ ♪ 332 00:45:49,579 --> 00:45:53,617 INTERVIEWER: What was it about Flo that you admired? 333 00:45:54,617 --> 00:45:58,422 - Well, she was all things that a chimp mother should be. 334 00:45:59,422 --> 00:46:02,193 She was protective, but not over protective. 335 00:46:03,193 --> 00:46:07,097 She was affectionate, she was playful, but being supportive. 336 00:46:09,097 --> 00:46:13,535 That was the key and of course that is what my mother was. 337 00:46:13,536 --> 00:46:18,009 She supported me. 338 00:46:20,009 --> 00:46:26,217 And there is no question that those close contacts with Flo and her family were very 339 00:46:27,217 --> 00:46:31,389 important to my own development. 340 00:46:33,389 --> 00:46:39,239 It was just so amazing to have this sort of relationship. 341 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,518 ♪ ♪ 342 00:47:03,518 --> 00:47:08,400 ♪ ♪ 343 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,581 ♪ ♪ 344 00:47:31,581 --> 00:47:37,529 ♪ ♪ 345 00:47:46,529 --> 00:47:51,600 Together, the chimpanzees and the birds and the insects, 346 00:47:51,601 --> 00:47:55,106 the teeming life of the vibrant forest, formed one whole. 347 00:47:57,106 --> 00:48:00,207 All part of the great mystery. 348 00:48:00,208 --> 00:48:03,951 And I was part of it too. 349 00:48:07,951 --> 00:48:13,123 All the time, I was getting closer to animals and nature and as a result, 350 00:48:15,123 --> 00:48:20,405 closer to myself and more in tune with the spiritual power that I felt all around. 351 00:48:30,405 --> 00:48:36,356 ♪ ♪ 352 00:48:46,356 --> 00:48:51,804 ♪ ♪ 353 00:49:02,804 --> 00:49:07,308 ♪ ♪ 354 00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:13,817 I thought, as I have so often since, what an amazing privilege it was to be utterly 355 00:49:14,817 --> 00:49:18,623 accepted thus by a wild, free animal. 356 00:49:20,623 --> 00:49:24,331 -Truth is stranger than fiction and fiction can be transformed into prophecy. 357 00:49:28,331 --> 00:49:32,466 Here we have a perfect example of that evolution, with this lovely English lady called 358 00:49:32,467 --> 00:49:37,973 Jane and likewise traded her comfortable home in England for the primitive life of the 359 00:49:37,974 --> 00:49:40,710 African wilderness among the African apes. 360 00:49:41,710 --> 00:49:43,988 And now I give myself the rewarding pleasure of presenting to you 361 00:49:44,012 --> 00:49:45,550 Miss Jane Goodall. 362 00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:50,510 JANE: David Graybeard is a chimpanzee who has put his complete trust in man. 363 00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:56,725 Surely it's up to us to see that at least some of these nearly human creatures survive 364 00:49:56,726 --> 00:49:58,005 in their natural habitat. 365 00:50:10,005 --> 00:50:12,540 - Jane Goodall tall, blonde and beautiful. 366 00:50:12,541 --> 00:50:15,512 Jane Goodall living with the chimpanzees in the wilds of Africa... 367 00:50:16,512 --> 00:50:19,046 JANE: I was the Geographic covergirl. 368 00:50:19,047 --> 00:50:21,850 And people said well my fame was due to my legs. 369 00:50:21,851 --> 00:50:25,123 Well, I mean, it was so stupid, it didn't bother me. 370 00:50:27,123 --> 00:50:31,027 It was really very useful because by this time I was needing to raise money myself, 371 00:50:32,027 --> 00:50:34,699 so I made use of it. 372 00:50:36,699 --> 00:50:40,201 Hugo and I successfully applied for additional funding, 373 00:50:40,202 --> 00:50:42,740 to build up a research station in Gombe. 374 00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:50,880 And we accepted students so that we could take advantage of the increased opportunity 375 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,550 for collecting data. 376 00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:58,085 REPORTER: Jane Goodall came back from Africa just a few weeks ago. 377 00:50:58,086 --> 00:51:00,646 Since then, she's been traveling around Europe and across America, 378 00:51:01,257 --> 00:51:03,225 telling zoologists. 379 00:51:03,226 --> 00:51:06,895 JANE: It is a very great pleasure for Hugo and me to be with you here tonight. 380 00:51:06,896 --> 00:51:08,296 -Dr. Goodall and her husband 381 00:51:08,297 --> 00:51:09,997 have been filming and studying... 382 00:51:09,998 --> 00:51:14,903 -Hugo, a Dutchman, came to Africa to film her studies and they later married. 383 00:51:14,904 --> 00:51:18,806 -She and her Husband, Baron Hugo van Lawick, are now the leading experts in the study 384 00:51:18,807 --> 00:51:22,579 of chimpanzees, their research station in Gombe in Tanzania. 385 00:51:23,579 --> 00:51:25,913 -I am absolutely full of admiration for somebody who can go and live 386 00:51:25,914 --> 00:51:28,616 alone in a jungle and do this sort of work that you did. 387 00:51:28,617 --> 00:51:30,685 Were you ever really very frightened? 388 00:51:30,686 --> 00:51:33,921 -Sometimes I was frightened especially of things like leopards, 389 00:51:33,922 --> 00:51:37,826 but it was the kind of life I had always dreamed of myself living. 390 00:51:37,827 --> 00:51:41,597 And it was so fascinating that nothing could deter me. 391 00:51:42,597 --> 00:51:45,434 INTERVIEWER: What about the actual significance of the studies? 392 00:51:46,434 --> 00:51:51,772 JANE: We feel quite strongly that one of the goals of continuing work is to 393 00:51:51,773 --> 00:51:56,447 increasingly relate our understanding of chimpanzee behavior to human behavior. 394 00:51:58,447 --> 00:52:01,327 INTERVIEWER: How long are you going to be associated with the chimpanzees? 395 00:52:02,050 --> 00:52:05,352 JANE: Oh I should say it's a rough guess until I die, but I can't tell you how 396 00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:07,858 many years that will be. 397 00:52:09,858 --> 00:52:13,138 But I think one of the most valuable things has been this film record which has been 398 00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:18,668 kept and we are hoping that Hugo will be able to come back and carry on. 399 00:52:19,668 --> 00:52:22,671 Especially as the last three months gave such fantastic film, 400 00:52:22,672 --> 00:52:24,805 better than all the rest put together. 401 00:52:24,806 --> 00:52:28,655 It seems to me vitally important that somebody should be there. 402 00:52:39,655 --> 00:52:42,695 -Unless there is something else to discuss we will adjourn the meeting. 403 00:52:45,695 --> 00:52:48,565 - Geographic ended the funding for Hugo just like that. 404 00:52:50,565 --> 00:52:53,767 But it was always an assignment and assignments when you're a 405 00:52:53,768 --> 00:52:56,407 cameraman come to an end. 406 00:52:58,407 --> 00:53:02,713 It was very upsetting, unfortunate and sad. 407 00:53:03,713 --> 00:53:06,513 And it was like, well what do we do? You know, how do we? 408 00:53:06,514 --> 00:53:09,018 Cause I wanted to go on at Gombe and he couldn't. 409 00:53:10,018 --> 00:53:13,592 It was simple like that. 410 00:53:16,592 --> 00:53:20,802 So then I had to change everything actually. 411 00:53:27,802 --> 00:53:33,378 We had to find other work to do, which we did of course. 412 00:53:36,378 --> 00:53:38,322 On the Serengeti. 413 00:53:46,322 --> 00:53:51,225 We had students at Gombe and we used to talk to them on the radio telephone just about 414 00:53:51,226 --> 00:53:53,730 every day I think. 415 00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:59,943 So I would write books, and Hugo would make films. 416 00:54:08,943 --> 00:54:15,619 ♪ ♪ 417 00:54:17,619 --> 00:54:21,257 INTERVIEWER: Was it difficult for you to not be at Gombe? 418 00:54:22,257 --> 00:54:26,995 JANE: Well, because I had a jolly good team of students at Gombe and I heard what 419 00:54:26,996 --> 00:54:31,771 was happening all the time, it wasn't too bad at all. 420 00:54:36,771 --> 00:54:40,642 I had all this finding out to do. 421 00:54:40,643 --> 00:54:46,381 So, I was getting on with writing and I was able to watch other animals and that 422 00:54:46,382 --> 00:54:49,119 gave me a wider perspective. 423 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:55,568 I understood more animals better than if I hadn't left Gombe. 424 00:55:05,568 --> 00:55:11,648 ♪ ♪ 425 00:55:20,648 --> 00:55:24,819 ♪ ♪ 426 00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:30,558 From the moment when we stood on the Serengeti plains, it had been as though an unseen 427 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,235 hand had drawn back a curtain. 428 00:55:39,235 --> 00:55:42,275 The mystery of evolution was all around us. 429 00:55:47,275 --> 00:55:51,222 I was awed by the beauty. 430 00:56:01,222 --> 00:56:07,373 ♪ ♪ 431 00:56:17,373 --> 00:56:22,623 ♪ ♪ 432 00:56:34,623 --> 00:56:38,459 We didn't sit down and talk about shall we have children or 433 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:40,727 anything like that. 434 00:56:40,728 --> 00:56:43,235 But Grub came along so, that was that. 435 00:56:46,235 --> 00:56:49,937 It was just one of the things that happened, you know. 436 00:56:49,938 --> 00:56:53,112 You got married and you got pregnant, and you had a baby. 437 00:56:57,112 --> 00:57:02,616 I don't remember contemplating what this would do to me, what it would do to us, 438 00:57:02,617 --> 00:57:08,958 how it would be, but the idea of having a baby after Flo had a baby and I thought 439 00:57:09,958 --> 00:57:13,362 I would watch my baby and see the difference. 440 00:57:14,362 --> 00:57:18,610 And of course, Grub would be with us on the Serengeti. 441 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:32,513 I had planned to do a decent study and keep notes and everything, 442 00:57:32,514 --> 00:57:36,286 watching for the development stages in Grub, just as I had done with the chimps. 443 00:57:38,286 --> 00:57:43,223 And catching it on film seemed a jolly good idea, but it doesn't work with 444 00:57:43,224 --> 00:57:46,660 your own child. 445 00:57:46,661 --> 00:57:49,861 I just found that I didn't want to do it, I wanted just to be there in the moment. 446 00:57:53,235 --> 00:57:58,640 For the first three years of his life, I wasn't away one single night. 447 00:57:58,641 --> 00:58:02,646 I was always there. 448 00:58:04,646 --> 00:58:09,186 Of course, like all mothers, I wanted to give my son the best possible start in life, 449 00:58:11,186 --> 00:58:14,090 and I had to choose between various sources of advice. 450 00:58:16,090 --> 00:58:21,070 There was my own mother, there was Dr. Spock, and there was Flo. 451 00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:32,339 There is no doubt that my observations of the chimpanzees helped me to 452 00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:35,042 be a better mother. 453 00:58:35,043 --> 00:58:39,546 But I found also that the experience of being myself a mother helped me better 454 00:58:39,547 --> 00:58:43,853 understand chimpanzee maternal behavior. 455 00:58:44,853 --> 00:58:48,522 It was not until Grub came along, for example, that I began to understand 456 00:58:48,523 --> 00:58:51,760 the basic powerful instincts of mother love. 457 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,599 How much more easily I could now understand the feelings of a chimpanzee mother who 458 00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:02,072 furiously waved her arms and barked out threats to any who approached her 459 00:59:03,072 --> 00:59:06,813 infant too closely. 460 00:59:10,813 --> 00:59:15,784 When Grub was little, it was dangerous for him at Gombe. 461 00:59:16,784 --> 00:59:20,224 Chimpanzees eat other primates. 462 00:59:22,224 --> 00:59:23,957 We are a primate. 463 00:59:23,958 --> 00:59:26,130 They have been known to take infant humans. 464 00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:31,967 I wasn't going to risk my little precious son. 465 00:59:32,967 --> 00:59:36,572 So when we went to Gombe, it was a cage. 466 00:59:37,572 --> 00:59:41,779 It had been made at a time when some of the chimps became very aggressive towards Hugo. 467 00:59:43,779 --> 00:59:46,815 And so Grub sat in a cage. 468 00:59:47,815 --> 00:59:51,055 But it was painted blue and there were mobiles hanging down and it was very lovely. 469 00:59:56,958 --> 01:00:02,118 I had thought that I could raise a child and carry on with my work at the same time. 470 01:00:03,297 --> 01:00:05,300 It was not so. 471 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:10,043 I stopped following the chimps; the students and field staff did that. 472 01:00:14,043 --> 01:00:17,182 I merely administered the research station. 473 01:00:21,182 --> 01:00:25,889 Eventually, we spent the bulk of our time working on the Serengeti. 474 01:00:26,889 --> 01:00:33,798 I was Hugo's assistant and I was mother to Grub. 475 01:00:36,798 --> 01:00:39,634 REPORTER: From Nairobi, in a small bush plane it's a two hour flight to 476 01:00:39,635 --> 01:00:41,535 en Dudu Tanzania. 477 01:00:41,536 --> 01:00:44,404 Our purpose was to meet Grub, the three and a half year old 478 01:00:44,405 --> 01:00:46,908 son of Doctor Jane Goodall and Hugo van Lawick. 479 01:00:46,909 --> 01:00:51,313 Born and raised in Africa, who speaks to animals, English to his parents, 480 01:00:52,313 --> 01:00:56,485 and perfect Swahili to his only playmate, a 40-year-old African. 481 01:00:57,485 --> 01:00:59,725 This child has spent three quarters of his life in Africa, 482 01:01:00,188 --> 01:01:01,756 and I don't mean in a Nairobian cities. 483 01:01:01,757 --> 01:01:03,890 I mean in really remote areas. 484 01:01:03,891 --> 01:01:06,993 You'll make a sound for me? 485 01:01:06,994 --> 01:01:09,196 -What does a zebra say, Grub? 486 01:01:09,197 --> 01:01:10,598 (makes zebra sound) 487 01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:11,679 A bit louder. That's right. 488 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,734 And what about a hyena? 489 01:01:13,735 --> 01:01:15,435 (makes hyena sound) 490 01:01:15,436 --> 01:01:16,504 That's a beauty. 491 01:01:16,505 --> 01:01:17,538 Now lion? 492 01:01:17,539 --> 01:01:19,172 (roars) 493 01:01:19,173 --> 01:01:21,509 INTERVIEWER: Tell me some stories about raising the child here, Hugo. 494 01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:25,178 -Well, one of the first things we had to do when he was tiny was teach him of the dangers in 495 01:01:25,179 --> 01:01:29,783 the bush, so we showed them to him and say, "Ow, ow," and teach him that he was to stay 496 01:01:29,784 --> 01:01:31,518 away from these animals. 497 01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:34,355 INTERVIEWER: Did you learn anything from watching chimps and raising children? 498 01:01:34,356 --> 01:01:36,556 I'm told that a chimp baby is just given so much love. 499 01:01:36,557 --> 01:01:39,359 Is that a good, do you think you could transfer that to our lives? 500 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,395 Does it have a meaning? 501 01:01:41,396 --> 01:01:44,531 -With Grub, we gave him immense amounts of love and security, and everyone said, 502 01:01:44,532 --> 01:01:46,366 "Oh, he'll be so dependent on you. 503 01:01:46,367 --> 01:01:48,201 He'll never make his own way in the world." 504 01:01:48,202 --> 01:01:50,705 It seems to myself, the opposite. 505 01:01:50,706 --> 01:01:52,973 INTERVIEWER: When he reaches six, Grublin will have to be taken to 506 01:01:52,974 --> 01:01:54,609 England for schooling. 507 01:01:54,610 --> 01:01:57,779 I hope, in the process of being educated, he never forgets what he 508 01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:59,557 has already learned. 509 01:02:09,557 --> 01:02:15,740 ♪ ♪ 510 01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:29,253 ♪ ♪ 511 01:02:38,253 --> 01:02:42,256 ♪ ♪ 512 01:02:42,257 --> 01:02:45,862 JANE: Hello, hello, hello. Anynews with you? Any news with you? Over. 513 01:02:47,862 --> 01:02:50,931 MAN (over radio): I just talked to (inaudible) and I think they are coming. Over. 514 01:02:50,932 --> 01:02:55,770 JANE: Ok, ok, have received you. 515 01:02:55,771 --> 01:02:58,605 I'll be joining you soon. 516 01:02:58,606 --> 01:03:00,512 Over and out, over and out. 517 01:03:04,512 --> 01:03:07,829 (thunder) 518 01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:25,677 (thunder and rain) 519 01:03:35,677 --> 01:03:41,820 ♪ ♪ 520 01:03:44,820 --> 01:03:47,821 It was a horrible time, one after the other. 521 01:03:47,822 --> 01:03:50,764 Chimpanzees came in, dragging limbs. 522 01:03:56,764 --> 01:03:59,836 Some of them were okay. 523 01:04:01,836 --> 01:04:06,179 But McGregor, both legs gone. 524 01:04:11,179 --> 01:04:15,192 Unable to use even one arm. 525 01:04:24,192 --> 01:04:29,802 ♪ ♪ 526 01:04:34,802 --> 01:04:37,547 It was awful. 527 01:04:45,547 --> 01:04:49,716 We immediately found that we could vaccinate the chimps. 528 01:04:49,717 --> 01:04:54,898 It was a bit late, but maybe it would have gone on if we hadn't. 529 01:05:03,898 --> 01:05:10,677 But, McGregor, he had to be shot. 530 01:05:16,677 --> 01:05:19,680 INTERVIEWER: Did someone say, "Let nature take its course?" 531 01:05:19,681 --> 01:05:21,281 -Sorry. 532 01:05:21,282 --> 01:05:23,652 I didn't care what anybody said. 533 01:05:24,652 --> 01:05:28,122 I was going to help the chimps if I could. 534 01:05:28,123 --> 01:05:32,859 I couldn't watch an animal suffering anymore than I could watch a human suffering 535 01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:34,627 and not help if I could. 536 01:05:34,628 --> 01:05:37,768 I see no difference between helping a human and helping an animal. 537 01:05:40,768 --> 01:05:43,971 I mean, yes we could have gone on and fed him everyday and kept him alive 538 01:05:43,972 --> 01:05:46,874 for what reason? 539 01:05:46,875 --> 01:05:50,018 To be honest, if that happens to me, I do not wish to be kept alive either. 540 01:05:56,018 --> 01:05:59,621 INTERVIEWER: Were you ever concerned that you might've carried it in? 541 01:06:00,621 --> 01:06:02,156 -No. 542 01:06:02,157 --> 01:06:05,527 The first examples of polio were not from our chimps. 543 01:06:06,527 --> 01:06:10,666 They were way to the south, and that's where the human polio was. 544 01:06:11,666 --> 01:06:14,834 So I didn't feel responsible for introducing it. 545 01:06:14,835 --> 01:06:19,541 Although, for sure, it could pass on more because they were coming together. 546 01:06:20,541 --> 01:06:25,019 But it didn't start with us which was very reassuring, actually. 547 01:06:32,019 --> 01:06:38,534 After the incident, it was no longer permitted to touch the chimpanzees. 548 01:06:45,534 --> 01:06:50,547 Gombe would never be quite the same. 549 01:06:59,547 --> 01:07:04,353 ♪ ♪ 550 01:07:05,353 --> 01:07:09,256 I wanted nothing more than to be with the chimpanzees, and I made the decision 551 01:07:09,257 --> 01:07:12,695 to spend more time in Gombe. 552 01:07:13,695 --> 01:07:16,796 Grub stayed with me. 553 01:07:16,797 --> 01:07:20,235 So in the morning, I would do analysis of data, administration, 554 01:07:21,235 --> 01:07:23,803 that sort of thing. 555 01:07:23,804 --> 01:07:28,110 Then I would spend about one to two hours up in a chimp camp with the students and 556 01:07:29,110 --> 01:07:33,546 looking at the chimps. 557 01:07:33,547 --> 01:07:36,956 And then every afternoon was his, totally. 558 01:07:40,956 --> 01:07:43,290 INTERVIEWER: And he loved chimpanzees? 559 01:07:43,291 --> 01:07:46,161 - No, he did not. He hated them. 560 01:07:47,161 --> 01:07:50,969 He's never loved chimpanzees. 561 01:07:53,969 --> 01:07:57,171 (inaudible) 562 01:07:57,172 --> 01:08:02,576 I tried to homeschool him. 563 01:08:02,577 --> 01:08:04,944 (inaudible) 564 01:08:04,945 --> 01:08:08,851 I felt a bit isolated at that time. 565 01:08:09,851 --> 01:08:13,087 But there were always one or two students who would come along and provide 566 01:08:13,088 --> 01:08:18,194 that sort of, you know, emotional support that I think sometimes is very important. 567 01:08:20,194 --> 01:08:25,770 And of course Hugo was away somewhere else filming so he wasn't there to, to help. 568 01:08:28,770 --> 01:08:32,641 I mean that was the deal, that was his work. 569 01:09:07,641 --> 01:09:13,091 ♪ ♪ 570 01:09:23,091 --> 01:09:28,073 ♪ ♪ 571 01:09:38,073 --> 01:09:43,921 ♪ ♪ 572 01:09:52,921 --> 01:09:58,430 ♪ ♪ 573 01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:06,604 Flint was now an adolescent. 574 01:10:10,604 --> 01:10:14,216 And old Flo, she was now a grandmother. 575 01:10:22,216 --> 01:10:25,887 Fifi had an infant of her own. 576 01:10:26,887 --> 01:10:31,600 A new generation of Flo's family to study. 577 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,903 But even though he was at an age, when most males begin to spend time away from their 578 01:10:42,904 --> 01:10:47,414 mothers, Flint was still dependent on Flo. 579 01:10:53,414 --> 01:10:57,917 By this time she must've been close to 50 years old. 580 01:10:57,918 --> 01:11:00,990 But Flint insisted on riding her back. 581 01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:06,628 Flint was still suckling. 582 01:11:07,628 --> 01:11:12,433 Flo would push him away, and he cried, and he screamed, and he got very, very clingy 583 01:11:12,434 --> 01:11:14,275 and very, very dependent. 584 01:11:21,275 --> 01:11:24,457 She was too old to push him to independence. 585 01:11:35,457 --> 01:11:41,394 INTERVIEWER: You more than anyone knew the importance of socialization, 586 01:11:41,395 --> 01:11:44,332 were you concerned about Grub? 587 01:11:45,332 --> 01:11:50,506 -Well, Grub was school age, and I couldn't go on homeschooling him anymore. 588 01:11:52,506 --> 01:11:56,654 So, it was decided that he would start school in England and live with Mom. 589 01:12:07,654 --> 01:12:12,559 And I quite well remember when I had to leave him. 590 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,533 And how awful and betraying I felt. 591 01:12:18,533 --> 01:12:22,208 But, it was better for Grub. 592 01:12:28,208 --> 01:12:31,579 In Christmas and Spring, I went to the UK. 593 01:12:32,579 --> 01:12:36,189 In the summer, he came out to Tanzania. 594 01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:45,528 INTERVIEWER: Back at Gombe now, Dr. Goodall, what kind of enterprise is it today? 595 01:12:46,528 --> 01:12:49,198 - Well today, it's the Gombe Stream Research Center. 596 01:12:51,198 --> 01:12:56,068 There are anything between six and twelve scientists working on different aspects 597 01:12:56,069 --> 01:12:58,572 of chimp or baboon behavior. 598 01:12:58,573 --> 01:13:02,809 And there are also students studying for their PhD degrees or doing postdoctoral work on 599 01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:06,580 specific aspects of chimp behavior, which is you know, quite a big 600 01:13:06,581 --> 01:13:09,893 little scientific community. 601 01:13:18,893 --> 01:13:23,740 ♪ ♪ 602 01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:39,423 ♪ ♪ 603 01:13:49,423 --> 01:13:55,341 ♪ ♪ 604 01:14:07,341 --> 01:14:11,518 Flo died as she crossed the clear, fast-flowing Kokombe stream. 605 01:14:16,518 --> 01:14:19,051 She looked so peaceful. 606 01:14:19,052 --> 01:14:22,127 It was as if her heart had suddenly just stopped beating. 607 01:14:27,127 --> 01:14:31,140 Flint sat on the bank of the stream near Flo's body. 608 01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:44,146 From time to time he approached her as though begging her to groom him, 609 01:14:46,146 --> 01:14:49,029 to comfort him as she had always done throughout his life. 610 01:15:02,029 --> 01:15:08,172 ♪ ♪ 611 01:15:12,172 --> 01:15:15,579 Finally, Flint moved away. 612 01:15:18,579 --> 01:15:20,015 His depression worsened. 613 01:15:21,015 --> 01:15:22,582 He stopped eating. 614 01:15:22,583 --> 01:15:26,087 He stayed mostly alone. 615 01:15:27,087 --> 01:15:30,930 And in this state of grief, he fell sick. 616 01:15:36,930 --> 01:15:41,974 It was as though without his mother, he no longer had the will to live. 617 01:15:45,974 --> 01:15:51,555 And about three weeks after Flo died, Flint died too. 618 01:16:00,555 --> 01:16:05,569 ♪ ♪ 619 01:16:15,569 --> 01:16:20,261 ♪ ♪ 620 01:16:40,261 --> 01:16:46,433 After the death of Flo, the chimpanzee community, whose members I had come to 621 01:16:46,434 --> 01:16:49,206 know so well, began to divide. 622 01:16:52,206 --> 01:16:56,309 As chimps of one group started to spend more time in the southern part of 623 01:16:56,310 --> 01:17:00,717 the range over which the whole community roamed. 624 01:17:03,717 --> 01:17:08,621 By separating themselves, it was as though they had forfeited their right to be 625 01:17:08,622 --> 01:17:12,828 treated as community members. 626 01:17:13,828 --> 01:17:17,225 Instead, they were treated as strangers. 627 01:17:44,225 --> 01:17:47,771 (screaming) 628 01:17:57,771 --> 01:18:03,177 (screaming) 629 01:18:04,177 --> 01:18:09,622 Our idyllic world, our little paradise, had been turned upside down. 630 01:18:14,622 --> 01:18:19,626 The once peaceful seeming chimpanzees were heavily engaged in what amounted to a 631 01:18:19,627 --> 01:18:22,198 sort of primitive warfare. 632 01:18:24,198 --> 01:18:28,045 The entire community that moved south was annihilated. 633 01:18:38,045 --> 01:18:42,215 ♪ ♪ 634 01:18:42,216 --> 01:18:44,251 INTERVIEWER: It must have been a very dark time for you. 635 01:18:44,252 --> 01:18:47,724 JANE: It was a very, very dark time, it was. 636 01:18:49,724 --> 01:18:52,893 I thought they were like us, but nicer than us. 637 01:18:52,894 --> 01:18:57,432 I had no idea of the brutality that they can show. 638 01:18:59,432 --> 01:19:02,313 Took me awhile to come to terms with that. 639 01:19:12,313 --> 01:19:17,654 ♪ ♪ 640 01:19:19,654 --> 01:19:24,859 War had always seemed to me to be a purely human behavior. 641 01:19:25,859 --> 01:19:30,599 I had come to accept that the dark and evil side of human nature was deeply embedded in 642 01:19:31,599 --> 01:19:36,646 our genes, inherited from our ancient primate ancestors. 643 01:19:46,646 --> 01:19:51,188 ♪ ♪ 644 01:19:54,188 --> 01:19:58,394 INTERVIEWER: You and Hugo had been in different places. 645 01:20:00,394 --> 01:20:03,832 Did you feel yourselves drifting apart? 646 01:20:04,832 --> 01:20:09,136 -Well, you do drift apart when you're in two different places and you have 647 01:20:10,136 --> 01:20:13,574 different goals in a way. 648 01:20:14,574 --> 01:20:19,381 Hugo wasn't anymore content with just being at Gombe for me, 649 01:20:20,381 --> 01:20:24,661 he needed to be in the Serengeti for him. 650 01:20:33,661 --> 01:20:38,442 ♪ ♪ 651 01:20:48,442 --> 01:20:54,082 ♪ ♪ 652 01:20:55,082 --> 01:20:59,251 INTERVIEWER: Were you struggling to try and keep the marriage together? 653 01:20:59,252 --> 01:21:04,193 -Well for Grub's sake, but we'd begun bickering by then, and so you have to weigh up, 654 01:21:06,193 --> 01:21:10,801 you know, is it better to stay together or to subject your child to constant bickering's. 655 01:21:13,801 --> 01:21:18,375 He wanted me to leave Gombe, because there was no way he could stay and work, 656 01:21:21,375 --> 01:21:23,809 but I couldn't. 657 01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:27,161 It was my life, and he had his. 658 01:21:40,161 --> 01:21:44,067 During the trying time of my divorce, it was all very sad. 659 01:21:46,067 --> 01:21:49,404 Especially for Grub, for he of course loved us both. 660 01:21:51,404 --> 01:21:55,680 But I realized that my experience in the forest had given me perspective. 661 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:05,188 In the forest, death is not hidden; it's all around you, all the time. 662 01:22:07,188 --> 01:22:10,792 A part of the endless cycle of life. 663 01:22:11,792 --> 01:22:16,100 Chimpanzees are born, they grow older, they get sick, and they die. 664 01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:23,940 And always there are the young ones that carry on the life of the species. 665 01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:31,512 Louis Leakey sent me to Gombe with the hope that a better understanding of chimpanzee 666 01:22:32,512 --> 01:22:36,952 behavior might provide us with a window on our past. 667 01:22:37,952 --> 01:22:41,955 Our study of the chimpanzees had helped to pinpoint not only the similarities between 668 01:22:41,956 --> 01:22:46,128 them and us, but also those ways in which we are most different. 669 01:22:48,128 --> 01:22:53,467 Admittedly, we're not the only beings with personalities, reasoning powers, altruism, 670 01:22:54,467 --> 01:23:00,143 and emotions, nor are we the only beings capable of mental as well as physical suffering. 671 01:23:02,143 --> 01:23:06,712 But our intellect has grown mightily in complexity since the first true men branched 672 01:23:06,713 --> 01:23:11,885 off from the ape men's stalk some two million years ago. 673 01:23:11,886 --> 01:23:16,059 And we, and only we, have developed a sophisticated spoken language. 674 01:23:18,059 --> 01:23:22,528 For the first time in evolution, a species evolved that was able to teach its 675 01:23:22,529 --> 01:23:27,399 young about objects and events not present, to pass on wisdom gleaned 676 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,907 from the successes and the mistakes of the past. 677 01:23:32,907 --> 01:23:38,243 With language we can ask as can no other living being, those questions about who we 678 01:23:38,244 --> 01:23:41,246 are and why we are here. 679 01:23:41,247 --> 01:23:46,086 And this highly developed intellect means surely, that we have a responsibility 680 01:23:46,087 --> 01:23:50,590 towards the other life forms of our planet, whose continued existence is threatened by the 681 01:23:50,591 --> 01:23:54,770 thoughtless behavior of our own human species. 682 01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:09,880 ♪ ♪ 683 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,447 My life, the time, was perfect. 684 01:24:15,448 --> 01:24:18,054 I was spending time in the field, I was writing a book, 685 01:24:20,054 --> 01:24:24,095 I had students so the research was secure and I could be with my son. 686 01:24:28,095 --> 01:24:30,095 Who's my life for the rest of my life? 687 01:24:30,096 --> 01:24:33,604 It was better than anything I dreamed of. 688 01:24:36,604 --> 01:24:40,076 But I knew that the chimpanzees across Africa were disappearing. 689 01:24:42,076 --> 01:24:46,948 So that's when I realized that I had to raise awareness about the plight of chimps in Africa 690 01:24:48,948 --> 01:24:53,920 and the role that I must play is to make sure that the next generation are 691 01:24:53,921 --> 01:24:57,426 better stewards than we've been. 692 01:24:59,426 --> 01:25:04,167 And I needed to take that message to the world. 693 01:25:06,167 --> 01:25:11,805 And since that time, which was October 1986, I haven't been more than three weeks 694 01:25:12,805 --> 01:25:16,948 consecutively in any one place. 695 01:25:21,948 --> 01:25:26,865 (applause) 696 01:25:38,865 --> 01:25:44,585 ♪ ♪ 697 01:25:57,585 --> 01:26:02,899 ♪ ♪ 698 01:26:11,899 --> 01:26:17,680 ♪ ♪ 699 01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,725 ♪ ♪ 700 01:26:38,725 --> 01:26:42,198 When I look back over my life, it seems I've been extraordinarily lucky. 701 01:26:45,198 --> 01:26:49,407 Although as my mother Vanne always says, luck was only part of the story. 702 01:26:53,407 --> 01:26:58,279 She's always believed that success comes through determination and hard work 703 01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:03,086 and that the fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings. 704 01:27:06,086 --> 01:27:09,090 I certainly believe that's true. 705 01:27:10,090 --> 01:27:15,161 Yet though I had worked hard all my life, I must admit that the stars seemed to have 706 01:27:15,162 --> 01:27:19,493 played their part too. 707 01:27:46,493 --> 01:27:48,885 (music plays through credits) 707 01:27:49,305 --> 01:27:55,620 www.fmsubs.com60807

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