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- It's a shop which is famous for being
the favourite watering hole of Patsy.

In 'Absolutely Fabulous'. What you
don't expect to happen in Harvey Nichols,

is for anyone to be shot in
the head at point blank range.

He'd gone up behind her and
shot her in the head from behind,

then she hit the floor and he
shot her in the face 3 times.

As far as we were concerned, once
the professionals, the police were

involved, the problem had gone away,
the professionals had dealt with it...

Colin Sutton was a
detective chief inspector

and senior investigating
officer at the metropolitan police.

He led the investigations into some of
the most complex, high profile cases ever,

bringing dagerous criminals to justice.

In this series, he will take
you inside those cases,

and show you how he
caught these criminals,

using nothing but
pure detective work.

This is "The Real Manhunter".

It was a Tuesday evening in September
2005 and I was on-call SIO for West London

and I remember getting the call
and 'control' that give us the jobs said,

'I've got a double fatal shooting for
you Mr Sutton'. At the time we had been

suffering from a few shootings in
West London, most of them in Harmston,

Stonebridge Park Estate and that sort of
thing, I assumed that's where I'd be going

and I think I might have said that to them
'Whereabouts in Harmston am I going?'

and he said 'No, it's a bit of a
funny one, it's at Harvey Nichols'.

I was in the office, Colin was
the kind of guy that... he was a DCI,

and it wasn't that normal really
for DCI's to come running around

the office and say, 'Come on
Dave, we're going out', you know?

Ordinarily a DCI would say, 'A job
has come in, I want you to go to...

When you get there let me
know', that type of way, but.

Colin was a... as a detective
that wanted to be involved.

I think most of the team would have
gone home by then, it was in the evening,

but I had a system whereby
we sort of ring each other round

and I scrambled the team to come to
tonight's, which was Harvey Nichols.

These cases are obviously rare,
fortunately. It's got huge profile, it's a

major London store, a young woman being
shot at her place of work, truly awful.

How can that happen? Why can there be
a double fatal shooting at Harvey Nichols?

It's got a touch of glamour to it,
what you don't expect to happen in.

Harvey Nichols is for anybody to be
shot in the head at point blank range.

When Clare was little, she was
incredibly shy, she didn't like to be

in the limelight, as she got older in her
teens, her confidence started to grow.

She was very gentle, she was
very loving and very trusting.

She came from a... you'd probably
describe it as quite a middle-class

family background, she was a little bit
inexperienced in the ways of the world

in many ways and certainly in
terms of relationships with men.

She'd love a party, she was
like any other 21, 22-year-old.

The only difference was that
Clare was somewhat naive I think,

she had dated very few
boys and she always had

high expectations of
any relationship she was in.

Clare was... she was a bright,
intelligent, articulate, very attractive

young lady who wanted to work in
the field of doing make-up and so forth.

She had been working there for
some time, she absolutely loved the job.

She was beautiful, she
was beautiful inside and out.

She was always interested when
she was about 12, I recall her...

she loved to apply make-up.
She would experiment,

which sort of got her into that sector.

Michael Pech was a security guard
at Harvey Nichols, he was Slovakian.

He'd been in the Slovakian army
where he had learned firearm skills.

He'd come to Britain, got a
job working at Harvey Nichols

where he met Clare who
was a beautiful young woman.

He was 10 years or
so older than her, he'd

seen a lot of life, he
was in the military.

He obviously just fell
completely in love with her,

he was just absolutely besotted with
her. She didn't want the relationship

to be that serious that quickly and
didn't know what she wanted I think,

but knew that she didn't want to be tied
to Michael Pech in the way that he did.

But you can't always
predict how somebody

is going to react to those
sort of circumstances.

A girl had been shot and
that this guy had shot himself,

we knew that before we got there.
We didn't know any detail about what

the relationship was, who he was,
we just had a girl that had been shot.

It would appear, on the face of
it, to be a fairly tight investigation

because a suspect is
there and they are deceased,

therefore a lot of the work
that would have been involved in

identification and interview
strategy etc, is not necessary.

So, it was obviously one of those really
tragic cases, but it was also one of those

where you can't jump to conclusions or
make assumptions, and although it looks

for the world that it is a murder and then
followed by a suicide, you still have to

respond to it, there has still
been a murder hasn't there?

There is a murder there even
though the suspect is now dead,

and you need not to make the
assumptions and go there and do

all the things to investigate,
investigate the scene,

preserve it and make
sure it's done properly.

So, we responded to it as if it
were a murder with no suspect.

It was obvious really quite
quickly because you very quickly

research the people concerned and identify
that there are issues within this case.

Certainly, those of us in the office that
were looking at the people concerned

knew that this would develop into a
major crime and a major investigation

for the police service and the criminal
justice system really from day one.

Harvey Nichols in London's Knightsbridge.
World-famous department store

with its wealthy clientele, in a
very wealthy area of the capital.

Not the sort of place that I'd expect to
get sent to for a double fatal shooting

but that was the call I
got in September 2005.

I just happened to be in Central
London when I got the call,

so I happened to be here
before a lot of my team,

but I needed the normal sort of
forensic work done and local inquiries.

So, I called them all over here,
that then gave us the problem

of 'where can we do the briefing?'. Since
we were all in the cosmetics department,

there are all the chairs where customers
sit to get make-up applied to the staff,

and we were able to use those and
you've got this slightly surreal scene of

a murder squad sitting
down on the make-up chairs

with me behind the counter
giving them the briefing.

So, you had a
counter in front of her,

highly polished ceramic tiles
on the floor, the usual sort of

beauty products all around
her and you couldn't at first see her,

but he had gone up behind her
and shot her in the head from behind

and then she hit the floor
and he shot her in the face.

What we were told by the eyewitnesses,
was that Clare Bernal was working

as usual on the cosmetics counter,
Pech had come into the store,

he'd shot her twice
then she'd fallen to the ground

and he turned the gun on himself
and shot himself in the head.

The distressing thing from our
point of view was...

the amount of blood.

The shooter, Michael Pech,
who had killed himself,

was not far away with a hand
gun, cartridge cases dotted about.

We were able to do some immediate
searching and we actually found

4 cartridge cases, but we could
only really account for 3 of the shots,

2 in Clare and one to Pech at the end.

So, we dealt with the scene, retrieval
of the weapon, retrieval of the bodies.

Colin had to deal with the press
outside, management of the store.

We needed to
find that 4th bullet.

I in fact got a call from the senior
executive at Harvey Nichols who said,

'When can we have our shop back?
It's costing us 10s of thousands of pounds

every hour we are shut'. I pointed
out that probably one of his loyal

and wealthy customers
wouldn't be too impressed if they

moved something on a shelf
and found a bloody bullet behind it,

and he understood that instantly and
said, 'Mr Sutton, do what you need to do

and just tell me when we
can have our shop back'.

At the time, my role was known
as 'receiver' in the incident room,

therefore I'm not deployed to the
scene. The team were deployed,

I remained in the office sort
of instruction to the set of,

to the set of circumstances
that the team would bring back.

I was still busy with the scene, so I
just had a conversation with my brother

and said, 'do us a favour, would you go
and pick up the post-mortem the next day,

because I'm going to be
here all night and tomorrow'.

I attended the post-mortem as a part of
the process to prove causation of death.

During the post-mortem, both Clare
and Pech were in the same mortuary.

I remember thinking at the time, 'somehow,
this is not right'. The process was fine,

and it was perfectly normal, but
from a moral and personal perspective

it did not feel right to see the two
laying effectively in the same place.

As my team carried on with the normal
things that you do in the early hours

of a homicide investigation, I knew
that we were going to have to find out

why a man who said he loved and

cherished a young woman, had walked

into her place of work, into a
shop and brutally shot her, killed her

and then killed himself. The big
question we needed to answer quickly:

Was he acting alone?

There was just so many questions,

'what's somebody doing with
a handgun in Harvey Nichols?'

'Why has it come to that?'. It's all set
really in a situation of so much sadness,

because you've got this very attractive
22-year-old girl who we then found out

really loved her job, loved what she
was doing working there and had this

difficult relationship with this
man who used to work there.

It transpired that Clare
Bernal, who was the victim,

shouldn't really have
been working that evening.

She had swapped shifts with
her flatmate for various reasons

and when the story started
unfolding and we realised the shooter,

her ex-boyfriend Michael Pech,
had gone there to find her, we assume

he must have gone to her home first
to find her. He would have expected her

not to be at work, she shouldn't
have been in work that day.

He used to work for Harvey Nichols, he
was a security man, that is how they met,

and he had access to her rotas and
shifts. There then became the worry

that if he's gone to this flat
that she shares with a colleague,

what's happened there? Have we
got another victim, the colleague,

lying dead in this flat in Dulwich where
they lived? So, that became a priority

for us, to get down to Dulwich to
check on the safety of Clare's co-worker.

When we discovered that Clare was not
meant to be working, that she had actually

swapped her shift with her colleague
and flat mate, we realised the likelihood

was that Pech would have come here
to Dulwich to the flat they shared first

because that's where he
would expect Clare to have been.

That then raises issued of 'was she safe?'
We came to the flat, knocked on the door

and got no answer, we were sort of
debating whether there was a real risk,

and should we try forcing
entry and we were just sitting

outside in a car here at the end of the
road and this young lady comes along

in a tracksuit and gym bag and
she sat on the wall just over there,

just outside the entrance to the flat
and was talking on a mobile phone.

We went and approached her,
and we realised that she was talking

in a language that sounded like
Russian and we knew that that's where.

Clare's friend hailed from.
We asked her and she said.

'Yes, I'm sitting here
because I can't get into the flat

because I haven't got
a key and I was waiting

for Clare to come back with the key'.
We then had to break the news that Clare,

her friend, her colleague
and her flatmate, was dead.

Having found out that.

Clare's work mate was safe, what we needed
to do was do a bit more investigation

into Michael Pech. Of course, at
that point we don't know who he is,

who his associates are. Is he a one off?
Is he a so called 'lone wolf' and

is it only about Clare, or does he live,

frequent, associate with a lot of people

who are armed and are there any
more firearms and ammunition back where

he lived and all things like that. So,
we found out he lived in a house in.

South Tottenham and again, while
those on the team were doing what

they can with the scene and
witnesses at Harvey Nichols.

Tony McEwan and I go to South
Tottenham to this house and it was a house

on the end of a terrace and
it was quite derelict almost,

it was not in very good condition,
the grass was 3 feet high in the garden,

there was a window or two broken and
the front door was kind of hanging open

but sort of ajar when we got there.
It's in the early hours of the morning

and we've got a panda car from the
local police station in Tottenham and

a couple of uniformed police
officers that came with us.

Although we know were going in there
thinking we might be looking for firearms

or people with firearms, we
knew that we had no chance of

getting armed backup.
It's one of these situations

where it's obviously dangerous
but it's not dangerous enough.

We just knew we couldn't get
that sort of backup, and you do,

quite often as a police officer.
Tony and I just sat there and

looked at each other and said 'Well, we
know it's not 100% safe but 99%

of the time it will be, so come on
let's do it'. And we went into this and we

have got a torch, a mini-Maglite,
that's all. The house was sort of dark

and creepy really because
it was all a bit threadbare.

We found out there was actually 7
men sleeping in the house that night.

All of them from Eastern
Europe and all of them

working on building sites and Pech had

been the 8th man living there.
There was... one of the young men,

I think a man named 'Georg', was about
6 feet 8 inches tall and he was huge.

He was Polish and could speak very
good English and he kind of translated

for the rest of them and was absolutely
helpful, in fact he took Tony and I then

to Earls Court and pointed out
the hotel he knew Pech had been staying

once he got back. We were able to
search his room there, we found nothing,

no more firearms but one of the
newspapers reported the next day that

armed police stormed a house in Tottenham,
and I remember Tony McEwan saying,

'Unarmed police with a sense of humour
and a biro stormed a house in Tottenham!'

When we spoke to Clare's
friend outside the flat in Dulwich,

she was obviously devastated at the death
of her friend, flatmate and workmate.

But as she started to tell us more about
what had gone on in this relationship

between Clare and Michael
Pech, we came to realise there was

an awful lot about this murder and
suicide that we had yet to understand.

In late 2004, Clare had moved up to
London, she was working in Selfridges

for a short while and then she
was moved to Harvey Nichols.

So, Clare was working on a beauty
counter in Harvey Nichols where

there were 4 women who would
rotate. One was a senior woman,

she had been there for 30 years,
then there was Nataliia, who was...

she was a bit older than Clare and
she played a key part in what happened

to Clare, and there was another young
woman who was working there part time.

These two young women and Clare
moved into a flat in Dulwich together.

Late January, Clare started
speaking of Michael Pech.

She said he would come up to her
counter and that he was a security guard.

I think it was some time in
February he asked Clare out.

To begin with, I think you have to
look at the origins of their relationship.

Clare had only gone out with
Pech on a couple of occasions.

The girls apparently...
they didn't like him.

They didn't want him to come to
the flat, they made it very clear that

they didn't want him to
visit the flat that they shared.

They only dated for 3 weeks
and that's the way it looked like,

they'd meet for coffee, they'd meet
up, but it was getting to the point

where he wanted to be with her all the
time. He resented when she came home,

when she came to visit me and when
she wanted to go out with her friends.

He had become very
obsessive and very serious

about their relationship very
quickly and Clare didn't really know

how to deal with that, she knew
that wasn't what she wanted.

So, after 3 weeks, he... it was a
pre-planned holiday to visit his mother

in Slovakia, he was
from Bratislava. He'd...

asked Clare

to go to the airport

to see him off, he returned from.

Slovakia, duly Clare
went to the airport

to meet him and I didn't hear from her
until the following day, she phoned me up,

she was very upset. She said that he said,
'Look Clare, I've got a really heavy case,

I don't want to trudge it across
London, is it alright if I stay over?'

and Clare knew her flatmates were
uncomfortable about him staying but...

he did. The next morning, she said
to me, 'I just wanted him to go mum'

So, this is the
call, 'I wanted to be

on my own, I was
tired, I took him...

walked with him, he insisted on
me walking with him to the station,

he wouldn't catch the train,
then the second train came in'

and we're talking about February,
late February and it's cold,

she just wanted to be on her own.
He hadn't taken his case, the case was

still in the apartment and he said, '
I'll collect it later on' and she said,

'You do what you like!' because
although Clare was very loving,

very pleasing and very giving,
she also had a very stubborn side.

Even when she was little... so if she
made up her mind about something

that was it, totally, you could
not budge her. She said,

'You do what you like Michael, I'm
going back, just get out of my sight'.

She went back to the flat, she
went upstairs, took his suitcase

and put it straight
outside. With that

he refused to go,
he sat there outside.

The girls at this time had come
home, they, in no uncertain terms

told him to go. Reluctantly
after 2 hours, he left.

There must have been something
about him that concerned her

because she quickly tried to move on,
she did not want to have a relationship.

He was obviously one of those men
who felt that if he couldn't have her,

no one would. He became obsessed with her.

On this call I had with Clare,
she said, 'Mum, I've had enough,

I'm going to end the relationship, this
is making me feel really uncomfortable

and he got really quite
aggressive with the girls'.

So, she messaged him and said,
'Michael, look this isn't working out.

We can be friends, but I don't want
us to have a relationship anymore'.

That's when the stalking began.

She'd had conversations with her friends
and family explaining that it was...

this relationship was causing
her difficulties because she felt

it was all going too far and he wanted
it to be much more serious than she did.

I guess that's kind of how
the relationship fizzled out

but Pech was not the kind of
man to take 'No' for an answer.

The next day, there he was as a
security guard, he had every reason to

stand close to Clare's counter,
he was very apologetic, he said,

'Clare I'm really sorry, I've got problems
at home, I didn't mean to upset you,

can we still be friends?'
and she said, 'Yeah,

we can be friends,
that's fine Michael'.

He must have messaged
her 50 times that day

and every opportunity he
was going up to her counter.

The stalking by Pech of Clare Bernal just
became so bad, there was one point where

she was averaging 50 texts
or calls per day from him

and she didn't want to know,
she wasn't returning them.

He was quite obviously obsessed.

Over the next 3 weeks, he became

increasingly more
present in Clare's life.

The very first day after she ended
the relationship, he followed her home

with a bunch of flowers and she
said, 'Michael, please leave me alone'.

She left the flowers outside as
a demonstration that she meant

what she said.
Wherever's Clare, he was.

He would stand in line of her
counter, he'd watch her in mirrors,

he'd follow her home, he'd plead
with her. During those three weeks,

he was getting increasingly more
agitated.

Really engaged on a
course of stalking of her

and he would appear
at her flat, he would appear

at railway stations when he knew
she was travelling to and from work.

There was an incident... So,
here we are now in the 4th week,

she was on the platform of the
tube and she saw that Michael

was coming towards her, she
ran, and she jumped on the train,

he jumped on the train after her, he
was sitting opposite her

and she was crying and she said,
'Michael if you don't leave me alone,

I'm going to have to report you' and
he went very close to her face and said,

'If you report me, I will kill you'.
She felt at the time that her world

was shrinking, it started
to affect her health,

she was having sleepless

she was making mistakes at
work, she was being told off at work.

Eventually, Clare felt that
she had no choice but to take

the appropriate action about
this stalking that she was suffering.

One of the girls reported him,

the head of security
saw that it was true,

and he said, 'Go up to another
counter', but he ignored it.

The reaction of the management at
Harvey Nichols was to make sure that.

Pech was deployed in a
different part of the building

but he was using the internal
CCTV to see where Clare was

and then going to be
close to her and talk to her.

Completely against the instructions he
received from his management and he was

warned about it, he persisted and
eventually he was suspended by them.

But, they could only suspend him from
the store, he was still standing outside,

following her home. Clare was advised by
the head of security to go to the police,

because that was the only
wat that it could potentially stop,

that there could be a restraining order.

Pech continued this behaviour, Clare
got quite disturbed when she heard

that he had been asking around colleagues
what the penalty for murder was in the UK.

His stalking behaviour
continued and eventually

she had no choice but to go
to the police and report him.

They came and actually arrested him
while he was at work at Harvey Nichols

and at that point, Harvey
Nichols said, 'Sorry, that's it,

you're sacked' and he
was fired from the job.

He was escorted out by 2 police officers,
in front of Clare, Clare phoned me up,

she was crying and said, 'Mum,
he looked so angry with me'.

And yes, Clare felt guilt that she
had been the one to get him dismissed.

The police took the report
seriously and investigated it

and Pech was charged
and had to appear at Court.

That was possibly the catalyst
that tipped him over the edge,

that was probably the thing that
he realised then that his dream

of a relationship with Clare
Bernal was never going to happen.

After Pech was arrested, life
got back to normal for Clare,

he was no longer harassing
her, police dealt with it.

Unbeknownst to us, he had gone to Belmarsh
prison for breaking bail conditions

and then he was given the same
conditions with a pending court case

to be heard towards the end of August.

He wasn't given a custodial sentence,
from his stalking crime that he had

committed against Clare. This is one
of those situations where the police,

etc., try to do what they can. The
crime as I'm sure any

young women who are
subject to it will tell you,

is truly awful
and it takes real guts

for young women to come
and report it and keep reporting it

and it's terrifying for them. The police
in this situation did what they could,

they charged him, put him before the
court process and then he was released.

Having been charged with harassing
Clare, Pech was bailed by the court,

there would have been conditions
for him to not go near Clare,

but of course can the police enforce
those conditions 24 hours a day?

No they can't. What I find bizarre in this
case is despite being on bail from a court.

Pech was able to return back to Slovakia,
enroll on a firearms refresher course...

It looks like he took that cliché view
'well if I can't have you, nobody can'

because what he did was got a
coach journey to and from his homeland.

While he was there he took a
proficiency test to get a license for an

automatic pistol and quite lawfully
bought the pistol and ammunition,

but then hid it in his holdall, got
on the coach, went back to the UK,

smuggled this gun in with the ammunition
through Dover, through customs.

Ultimately this is a man who was clearly
disturbed, it's easy to come by guns

in Europe at times, if you're really
looking for one. How hard is it to get it

into the country, that's debatable.
It's not as difficult sometimes,

unfortunately, as you'd think it could be.
Anyway, he managed it.

This thing was extraordinary really,
despite being on bail, he was able to

come in without any apparent
proper searches of his possessions

being carried out. So, here he was,
back in London, having been freed

on bail from the court, now armed with
a gun, still totally obsessed with Clare

and with clearly only one thing
in mind and that was to kill her.

And you've then got tragedy waiting
to happen, you have a frustrated...

demented man almost,
in possession of a machine

pistol that he can use, with
ammunition and he's taken

the decision 'I'm going to kill
her then I'm going to kill myself'.

There was a dark cloud hanging
over Clare that she might have to

see Pech again in court. He was
still pleading 'Not guilty' to harassment

and threats to kill. As it happened,
it was settled out of court

at the very last minute he pleaded guilty
to harassment and Clare was advised

to drop the 'threats to kill', it
would be difficult to prove and

she happily accepted that. She said
to me, 'Mum, finally I can put this whole

awful episode to bed,
he will get a minimal fine,

maybe community service...'

and these words will...
will always be with me, she said,

'now finally people
will believe me'.

As far as we were concerned,

once the professionals,
the police were involved,

Michael was no longer a problem,

the problem had gone away,
professionals had dealt with it'.

Pech appears at court on the
harassment charge, he pleads guilty,

Clare is quite relieved by that because
it meant she didn't have to go and

give evidence against
him and she is now thinking

the whole thing is
over, that it's behind her.

Within a few days
of pleading guilty,

he had gone on
to take Clare's life

and that was because he had
been bailed by court which clearly

did not see that she was at
serious risk from any harm from him.

What nobody expected
was that he was going to

take a large dose of cocaine, go
into the store with an automatic pistol,

killing her and then killing
himself. That's what he did,

while he was on bail.

Clare was working a late,
there were 4 witnesses,

one young woman who
was directly opposite Clare,

I found out that this young
woman put her hand up

and looked at Clare as if
to say, '10 minutes to go'.

Clare gave her this beautiful smile,
and then she saw a shadow behind Clare.

And in that instant she thought maybe it
was a boyfriend who was meeting Clare.

Then, he, Michael raised a gun

and he shot Clare in the
back of the head, she fell

and with that he shot her 3 times in the
face, he then turned the gun on himself.

Clare was laying there in an
enormous amount of blood and

the suspect, the shooter,
Michael Pech, who

had killed himself was not far away.

Through the weakness of the law,
he was able to go into Harvey Nichols,

early one evening,
and take her life in the

most horrific fashion
with her colleagues,

members of the public standing
there as this lunatic goes up

and she would have perhaps
known what was coming,

she must have been terrified of him.

I think it was about a quarter to 2
in the morning and there was a loud

bang on the door and my partner
went down, my ex-partner went down,

and I could hear that it was the police
and one of the police officers said,

'It's Clare' and I then
knew at that moment...

She'd gone.

I said, 'How did it happen?'
and they said, 'She was shot'.

I said, 'It was Michael, wasn't
it?' and they just nodded.

In that moment...

It's so enormous,
your brain can't take it in,

you can't process it.

As I guessed from the very start there
was a very huge amount of media interest

in this case because it was
so unusual, and it was so tragic.

As the story unfolded and as
more became known about Clare

and about Michael Pech
and about the court cases,

it was not only tragic, but
it was sort of avoidable.

Clare's case was so high profile, it
wasn't that she was a young beautiful girl

who was stalked and
murdered, it was where it was,

it was Harvey Nichols, the most
glamourous store in the world.

The press were... I would say were very
helpful in that as well because they...

I think that they saw the issue,
that they saw that this was a chance

to do some real good,
to make a real difference,

so that people in
the future wouldn't...

or be less likely to suffer
in the way that Clare did.

There were a lot of magazines and
TV programs that wanted Clare's story

and wanted to hear it from
her mother's point of view,

but I felt that Clare wasn't
around to fight her battle

for want of a better word and
I needed to be Clare's voicepiece.

I underestimated the danger that
Clare was in but so did the professionals

and so did Clare, nobody
understood the dangers of stalking.

I needed to know everything and
the only door that was open really

was the inquest, there were
women out there, 10 thousand women

at the time who were
reporting domestic violence

and some of them
had their faces slashed

and nobody had seen
the risk that Clare was in

and also it didn't follow the normal
pattern of behaviour of stalking.

They knew that I was
intent on getting the inquest,

looking into the circumstances
leading to Clare's death because there

wasn't domestic homicide reviews
at the time. It hadn't become law...

It was, I guess at the time, the
response of law enforcement and

the courts to stalking as a kind of a
crime and phenomenon in its own right

was pretty much in its infancy.
Though there were measures

you could take and there were
offences he was committing,

it kind of wasn't joined
up in the way that it is now.

Because it was so high profile, I
got to meet some amazing people

that have been quite
important in my life.

I got to meet Carol Faruqui
whose daughter Rana

was stabbed 16 times
by an ex-boyfriend.

I met Stella Moore, whose daughter
Tania was shot dead like Clare.

I also met Frank Lane who is
the CEO of the charity I work for,

supporting bereaved families
after domestic homicide

and steering them through
the review process or inquests.

Great credit to Clare's family,
particularly to her mother,

they went on to try and
toughen up those laws

to prevent any similar
tragedy from occurring again.

Together we started
to attend conferences,

started to understand far more
about mental abuse, coercive control,

whether obsession and fixation
can have fatal consequences.

Stella decided to work locally

and Carol Faruqui and myself,

alongside other
professionals decided to set up

a charity called
'Protection against Stalking'.

I'm Jan Berry, I was a
police officer for 38 years,

I finished off as a police
chair of England and Wales,

nowadays I'm a trustee
with a domestic abuse charity

and I'm the co-CEO of
'Protection against Stalking'.

I've always greatly admired
people who have taken total tragedy

in their own lives
and turned it to good.

I was asked to help Tricia and maybe

re-focus Protection against Stalking, I
didn't have any hesitation in agreeing.

When protection against
stalking became a charity in 2010,

the first thing it did was to establish
the national stalking helpline.

Today it's still managed
by the Susie Lampley trust

and it's really the first point of call
for anyone who is a victim of stalking

or sometimes for professionals who
want to understand it a little bit more.

They then have then got the
legislation change where there were

2 offences which said
'Stalking' in their title.

The section 2A which is a lesser
offence, but it still carries a sentence,

or the section 4A which is fear of
violence. So, a victim doesn't have to be

physically abused or if they can
demonstrate that they have fear,

then it has a sentence up to
10 years. So, in record time,

in 10 months we managed
to get that through.

Then made sure that there was greater
awareness and training programs out there,

stalking is still not well understood
by criminal justice professionals,

by community safety partners,
so there is still some work there.

It's not properly understood by the
public, so if you are being stalked,

you don't necessarily know
about it. So, we want to carry on

raising awareness but most
importantly we want to provide support

or ensure that there is
support for victims of stalking.

It's difficult to understand how

somebody could react to rejection
by somebody they thought they loved

and wanted to be with,
by killing that person.

What the investigation
did throw up was

some serious questions
about the laws of harassment,

I think what it showed was that
Clare's murder was totally unnecessary.

If the law and the systems
had been working properly

and the issue of harassment
had been taken seriously

by the judiciary, which I
don't believe they were,

Clare would still be alive to this day.

If only you could put the clock
back, but that's not possible,

if only we had hindsight. I'm
so proud of Tricia that even now,

15 years on, she's still using her
experience to help other people

and I'm delighted to work with her
and give her that bit of support as well.

Hindsight is a wonderful
thing as they say,

but nobody understood
stalking then,

Clare didn't
understand stalking,

she didn't even know
she was being stalked.

It happens and we know
that it happens, it doesn't make

it easier to understand how
someone can react like that.

Clare's mother used the tragedy
to the best effect that she could

by making herself a voice for
victims of stalking and making herself

part of the pressure on the
government to change the law,

to make the law stronger and
to give the courts and the police

more powers when they are
dealing with these offences

when they are trying to
protect, more often than not,

vulnerable young women from
unwanted attention from men.