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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,766 --> 00:00:22,027 I was at home 2 00:00:22,167 --> 00:00:24,496 on the day that I got the call, it was 7 in the morning. 3 00:00:24,632 --> 00:00:28,132 The on-call super-intendant was trying to get a hold of me because there was 4 00:00:28,432 --> 00:00:31,132 a new investigation that I was gonna have to take. 5 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:34,130 It was a case of get yourself down to Twickenham with your team 6 00:00:34,267 --> 00:00:36,826 a girl has been murdered by being battered on the head. 7 00:00:37,299 --> 00:00:38,600 It's a stranger attack 8 00:00:38,732 --> 00:00:41,103 and we don't know an awful lot else at the moment. 9 00:00:41,332 --> 00:00:42,472 Was it someone 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,969 who could be a serial attacker 11 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:46,969 who could go on to strike again? 12 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:48,869 As it turned out, yes. 13 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:50,466 This is someone 14 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:54,530 with a real propensity of horrific violence to young women. 15 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:55,926 The more I've seen 16 00:00:56,366 --> 00:00:58,726 of horrible things that happen in the world 17 00:00:58,866 --> 00:01:00,667 and some of these things can happen to anyone. 18 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:02,100 This was a high-profile job 19 00:01:02,232 --> 00:01:03,676 and he was under serious pressure here 20 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:06,400 when he made a decision, he stuck with his guns. 21 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:08,173 It's always absolutely crucial 22 00:01:08,299 --> 00:01:10,799 you think about what you're doing in the first stages 23 00:01:10,932 --> 00:01:12,332 of an investigation 24 00:01:12,466 --> 00:01:15,596 by 9 o'clock that morning I was down at Twickenham police station 25 00:01:36,866 --> 00:01:39,667 Colin Sutton was a detective chief inspector 26 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:41,670 and senior investigating officer 27 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:43,829 in the Metropolitan police. 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,670 He led the investigations 29 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:52,030 into some of the most complex and high-profile cases ever 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,370 bringing dangerous criminals to justice. 31 00:02:02,432 --> 00:02:03,533 In this series 32 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:05,870 he will take you inside those cases 33 00:02:06,033 --> 00:02:10,372 and show you how he caught these crimina using nothing but pure detective work 34 00:02:10,866 --> 00:02:13,167 this is the Real Manhunter. 35 00:02:26,832 --> 00:02:29,703 Twickenham Green on a summer's day 36 00:02:30,067 --> 00:02:34,127 like we've seen, is normally a hive of activity people enjoying themselves 37 00:02:34,366 --> 00:02:37,127 a oasis of green in suburban London. 38 00:02:37,699 --> 00:02:41,729 But, when I came here on a summer's day in 2004 39 00:02:42,067 --> 00:02:43,926 it was because there'd been a murder 40 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:46,729 and when I arrived here 41 00:02:47,067 --> 00:02:48,926 the whole green was cordoned off 42 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:51,997 taped off preventing people using it at all. 43 00:02:52,133 --> 00:02:54,372 Twickenham Green's sort of a big triangular 44 00:02:54,533 --> 00:02:57,633 shape piece of land with a path running through the middle of it and 45 00:02:57,866 --> 00:02:59,796 roads on all three sides. 46 00:02:59,932 --> 00:03:03,133 It's a cricket pitch with a cricket club and a pavilion and it's where 47 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:05,530 families take their children and walk their dogs. 48 00:03:05,667 --> 00:03:10,127 It's in a very safe, pleasant, quiet corner of London 49 00:03:10,266 --> 00:03:14,727 we were certainly not used to conducting murder investigations there. 50 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,530 Arriving to take over that investigation 51 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:20,629 the first thing that struck me was the scale 52 00:03:20,832 --> 00:03:23,033 of the open space, the scale of the cordon. 53 00:03:23,167 --> 00:03:25,097 There was a woman had been murdered 54 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,430 the was a scenes of crime tent over ther protecting where she'd been found 55 00:03:29,567 --> 00:03:33,326 but we didn't know who she was, where she'd come from how she got here 56 00:03:34,466 --> 00:03:37,497 and that meant that this entire 57 00:03:37,932 --> 00:03:41,002 swathe of green was potentially my crime scene. 58 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:46,900 Trying to make a forensic examination a fingertip search of that sort of area 59 00:03:47,033 --> 00:03:49,173 takes a huge number of resources. 60 00:03:50,332 --> 00:03:54,832 It's always absolutely crucial what you' doing in the first stages of an investig 61 00:03:54,966 --> 00:03:56,866 because decisions that are made 62 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,199 then can have a profound effect 63 00:03:59,332 --> 00:04:03,002 on how the investigation goes and you ne to make sure really that you 64 00:04:03,332 --> 00:04:07,002 you don't miss any chances to preserve evidence 65 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:10,830 that you might want to come across later you might want to go back to later. 66 00:04:10,967 --> 00:04:14,567 Colin very quickly identified the fact that... 67 00:04:14,699 --> 00:04:18,430 how important that this evidence is going to be. 68 00:04:18,567 --> 00:04:20,826 If you make mistakes in the beginning you're almost done. 69 00:04:21,233 --> 00:04:23,132 The first thing that I did was to 70 00:04:23,332 --> 00:04:27,332 get the scene widened so that we taped o the pavement as well 71 00:04:27,466 --> 00:04:30,497 so that passers-by had to walk on the other side of the roads 72 00:04:30,733 --> 00:04:35,302 which meant they weren't able to put debris into the crime scene. 73 00:04:35,567 --> 00:04:39,026 It was really a question of getting officers from search team 74 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:42,129 to do a fine fingertip search around 75 00:04:42,266 --> 00:04:45,596 the immediate location of where the body was found to see if 76 00:04:45,932 --> 00:04:49,932 there was anything that would give us a as to who'd done it and what had happene 77 00:04:50,632 --> 00:04:54,832 The body was discovered around about qua 10 in the evening when it was obviously 78 00:04:55,167 --> 00:04:56,826 here by a man who lived locally 79 00:04:56,966 --> 00:04:59,567 he just went out for a quick walk round the green to get some air. 80 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:04,526 He saw what he thought at first was a bin bag or a bag of rags 81 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:08,870 it was only when he went over and looked more closely that he realised 82 00:05:09,266 --> 00:05:13,966 it was the body of a woman, dressed in white with a carrier bag nearby to her. 83 00:05:14,932 --> 00:05:17,702 He found that she was still alive she was still breathing 84 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:21,367 and he went away to get help to raise the alarm. 85 00:05:21,966 --> 00:05:25,927 The police and ambulance service turned very quickly afterwards 86 00:05:26,266 --> 00:05:28,526 and she was taken to the Kingston Hospit 87 00:05:28,667 --> 00:05:33,266 what the medical staff told us at the hospital was that the severity 88 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:35,269 of her injury was such 89 00:05:35,432 --> 00:05:38,903 that she couldn't have been lying there very long 90 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,970 and she survived minutes rather than hours. 91 00:05:47,266 --> 00:05:50,797 What we need to do is to try and find ou more about your victim 92 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,629 and find out the journey she had to get she was here where she lived, where she 93 00:05:56,867 --> 00:06:02,997 That morning we didn't know any of that and it literally was 94 00:06:03,166 --> 00:06:05,497 a dead body in the middle of Twickenham Green 95 00:06:06,432 --> 00:06:08,072 let's go an investigate it. 96 00:06:08,833 --> 00:06:10,673 Only as that day unfolded 97 00:06:11,067 --> 00:06:13,497 that we started to know more about the victim 98 00:06:13,766 --> 00:06:15,596 and more about what happened 99 00:06:15,867 --> 00:06:17,997 that night in August 2004 100 00:06:18,533 --> 00:06:21,733 that we were able to prioritize our work 101 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:24,899 and really start making some progress in the investigation. 102 00:06:25,766 --> 00:06:30,096 Nearby was her carrier bag and it had some clothing some shopping in it. 103 00:06:31,067 --> 00:06:34,497 But also in that bag was a till receipt and it had 104 00:06:34,733 --> 00:06:37,733 some phone numbers written on it, with some names. 105 00:06:38,132 --> 00:06:39,733 One of those names was 'Olivier'. 106 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:44,427 It turned out he was the boyfriend of the victim and he was able to tell them. 107 00:06:44,699 --> 00:06:46,899 'Yes her name is Amelie, Amelie Delagran 108 00:06:47,033 --> 00:06:49,072 she lives just near Twickenham Green' 109 00:06:49,733 --> 00:06:54,103 and that she worked as a waitress in a patisserie in Richmond. 110 00:06:55,466 --> 00:06:56,896 I don't think I got home until 111 00:06:57,033 --> 00:06:58,673 past 2 o'clock the following morning 112 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,230 so it's been a long day as well and it's a long day where I'm thinking 113 00:07:03,367 --> 00:07:06,367 double thinking everything that I'm doing because 114 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:09,970 it's so important to get things right at the early stage. 115 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:13,670 By the Saturday morning we went back to Twickenham Police Station 116 00:07:13,833 --> 00:07:15,572 and we had a... 117 00:07:15,699 --> 00:07:19,269 what we like to refer to as a 'Scrum-dow basically a team meeting/briefing and it 118 00:07:19,699 --> 00:07:21,100 this is where the works done. 119 00:07:21,233 --> 00:07:24,103 So, I've got information coming in from my intelligence officers 120 00:07:24,233 --> 00:07:27,173 my inquiry officers, some, in that case from the borough as well. 121 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:30,670 They were all feeling in and word was getting around that this was a... 122 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,569 a young girl that had been just brutally murdered by a stranger. 123 00:07:35,899 --> 00:07:40,269 There was a palpable fear in the communi 124 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:44,569 but there was also a sense that they wanted to do something to help. 125 00:07:45,132 --> 00:07:47,903 I was part of the investigation into Amelie Delagrange's murder 126 00:07:48,033 --> 00:07:50,033 from the beginning. 127 00:07:50,332 --> 00:07:52,973 My role was known as 'receiver'. 128 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:56,470 The idea is you identify lines of inquir the priorities 129 00:07:56,766 --> 00:07:58,297 very quickly. 130 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:01,930 Lots of people would try to give informa about what they thought might help. 131 00:08:02,266 --> 00:08:06,166 Our first crucial task that day was to try to plot the movements 132 00:08:06,733 --> 00:08:09,233 that Amelie had made on the evening that she was murdered. 133 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,269 As is often the case. 134 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:13,899 CCTV came to our assistance. 135 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:17,430 It's very important to get CCTV recovery rolling 136 00:08:17,567 --> 00:08:21,726 eally straight away because if you lose the footage it's gone forever. 137 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,029 The scene being in the middle of a green 138 00:08:24,167 --> 00:08:26,627 per se would not be covered by CCTV. 139 00:08:26,766 --> 00:08:31,896 But you can't get there without almost certainly being caught on CCTV 140 00:08:32,033 --> 00:08:35,072 and Colin very quickly identified the fact that... 141 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,929 how important this evidence was going to be. 142 00:08:39,067 --> 00:08:42,096 Amelie had been at work at the French Patisserie in Richmond. 143 00:08:42,232 --> 00:08:45,403 After work she came here to Twickenham to meet some friends 144 00:08:45,832 --> 00:08:48,503 in a wine bar called 'Cristal's', over there. 145 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:52,000 She had three or four glasses of wine an while she was there she phoned her boyfr 146 00:08:52,033 --> 00:08:54,072 but he was busy and couldn't meet up her 147 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,775 So, it got to half past nine and she thought 'Well, I'll call it a day' 148 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:00,799 and she came across the road here and caught a bus back to Twickenham Green. 149 00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:03,466 It was on that bus that she missed her stop 150 00:09:03,832 --> 00:09:06,102 and that was her fateful mistake, becaus 151 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:08,429 if she had gotten off at the correct sto 152 00:09:08,633 --> 00:09:12,633 she would have had a short walk to home she would never have encountered her kil 153 00:09:13,267 --> 00:09:18,297 The bus she got on goes towards the bus garage at Fullwell where it terminates. 154 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:22,629 That means it takes the southern road the bottom road along Twickenham Green. 155 00:09:22,932 --> 00:09:24,903 So, what she had to do was get off at the stop 156 00:09:25,267 --> 00:09:26,397 at Twickenham Green 157 00:09:26,567 --> 00:09:28,697 walk across the green 158 00:09:29,033 --> 00:09:32,802 until her house which was in Gould Road was a couple of streets north of the gre 159 00:09:33,067 --> 00:09:35,096 She had not gotten off at Twickenham Gre 160 00:09:35,267 --> 00:09:37,096 and she was still on the bus 161 00:09:37,232 --> 00:09:40,102 when it got to the terminus at Fullwell bus garage. 162 00:09:42,332 --> 00:09:44,533 That's the bus stop that she should have gotten off 163 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:47,370 it's a short walk across the green and up to where she lived. 164 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:49,769 For whatever reason, we don't know she missed her stop 165 00:09:49,899 --> 00:09:52,029 and instead, she's carried on for around a mile 166 00:09:52,167 --> 00:09:54,826 down Hampton Road until the bus garage at Fullwell. 167 00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:59,730 When she gets there the bus terminates a asks the driver when the next bus back u 168 00:09:59,866 --> 00:10:02,096 to the green would be and he said, 'about 10 minutes'. 169 00:10:02,232 --> 00:10:05,432 It was a nice summer's evening, you can imagine Amelie thought. 170 00:10:05,567 --> 00:10:07,826 'I've got a decision, do I wait 10 minutes for the bus 171 00:10:08,033 --> 00:10:09,972 or shall I just walk the mile back. 172 00:10:10,466 --> 00:10:13,096 Fatefully for her, she decided to walk. 173 00:10:13,567 --> 00:10:15,826 She's walked all the way back up Hampton Road 174 00:10:17,033 --> 00:10:19,832 she'd have to go across Twickenham Green to get to her home. 175 00:10:21,899 --> 00:10:25,100 All those buses at Fullwell bus garage at that time had just been fitted 176 00:10:25,232 --> 00:10:27,273 with CCTV cameras 177 00:10:27,533 --> 00:10:30,873 and they had either six or eight cameras that were facing inside and outside 178 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,299 and it recorded onto a hard drive, it wa timed with the atomic clock it was prett 179 00:10:36,899 --> 00:10:40,000 as good as you could get for CCTV in those days. 180 00:10:40,167 --> 00:10:43,427 So, we've got CCTV pictures of Amelie getting on the bus. 181 00:10:43,567 --> 00:10:47,797 CCTV pictures of Amelie talking to the b driver and getting off the bus at Fullwe 182 00:10:48,167 --> 00:10:52,596 So, it then became a question of going back up her walk up Hampton road 183 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,970 and seeing what opportunities for CCTV there might be there. 184 00:10:56,100 --> 00:11:01,600 There were three or four static CCTV cameras one at the Loch Fyne Restaurant 185 00:11:03,432 --> 00:11:06,732 there was an accountants that had CCTV as well and 186 00:11:07,133 --> 00:11:12,702 indeed, a police car a traffic police ca one of the Provida cameras running at th 187 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:16,429 But also, of course there were buses, other buses 188 00:11:16,567 --> 00:11:19,996 going up and down this road all the time and they had the CCTV running 189 00:11:20,432 --> 00:11:23,332 so by the time you actually got all the buses CCTV 190 00:11:23,633 --> 00:11:26,732 we were able to get a dozen or so 191 00:11:27,432 --> 00:11:32,533 points where we could fix 'this is where was at that time' and we could plot her 192 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:34,970 all the way back up to Twickenham Green 193 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,470 and it was only as she went onto the gre 194 00:11:38,767 --> 00:11:42,267 that there was no more CCTV and she was found in the middle of the green. 195 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:46,899 We had everything apart the last 70 or 80 yards of her journey. 196 00:11:47,033 --> 00:11:51,602 What it showed us was that about 5 past that evening 197 00:11:51,866 --> 00:11:53,596 she came though this side 198 00:11:54,033 --> 00:11:57,003 of the pavilion, she'd have to walk across here 199 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,129 around the Cricket wicket and she would be over towards where she lived. 200 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:05,769 But we also know she was intercepted. 201 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,769 We think that her attacker came onto the green 202 00:12:09,899 --> 00:12:12,799 from this side of the Cricket Pavilion and followed her 203 00:12:12,932 --> 00:12:15,403 and it was just when she was just beyond the Cricket wicket 204 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,799 that he attacked her, hitting her across back of the head with something quite he 205 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,899 and causing a fatal injury. 206 00:12:27,667 --> 00:12:31,167 One of the first things that needs to be done in a murder investigation 207 00:12:31,299 --> 00:12:33,269 is to make sure the next of kin are informed 208 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:36,830 it's more difficult when the next of kin are abroad as they were in this case. 209 00:12:36,966 --> 00:12:42,297 Amelie's parents lived in a little villa called 'Hanvoile' in 'Picardy' in France 210 00:12:42,432 --> 00:12:45,102 We had a couple of French speaking offic seconded to the team. 211 00:12:45,332 --> 00:12:48,102 They phoned our French colleagues and 212 00:12:48,232 --> 00:12:50,072 explained the situation to them. 213 00:12:50,732 --> 00:12:55,773 Essentially, first they said 'well, we'l phone number for you, you can phone them 214 00:12:56,366 --> 00:12:59,567 and we said 'no that's not how we do it we'll send someone round there' 215 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:01,620 and they said 'well no, that's not how we do it'. 216 00:13:01,732 --> 00:13:05,033 When Colin found out that this was how 217 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:07,500 they were going to be informed 218 00:13:07,899 --> 00:13:12,600 he asked them not to phone and arranged for somebody to go round in person 219 00:13:13,067 --> 00:13:16,826 to speak to them because he felt that was a kinder 220 00:13:16,966 --> 00:13:21,126 more humane way of informing somebody that their daughter had been 221 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,830 killed, and in such an appalling way. 222 00:13:26,232 --> 00:13:27,503 Eventually, I kind of... 223 00:13:27,633 --> 00:13:29,072 it was almost a veiled threat really 224 00:13:29,133 --> 00:13:32,633 I said 'I'm not going to have them phone up and told about it 225 00:13:33,133 --> 00:13:35,033 if we need to send somebody 226 00:13:35,167 --> 00:13:38,176 then I'll get somebody from the British in Paris and see if they will go round a 227 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,429 and I think that the prospect of me involving 228 00:13:41,866 --> 00:13:45,466 the diplomats in it might have had some effect on the French police. 229 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,899 I said, 'Ok then, I'll go round', sort of begrudgingly. 230 00:13:48,033 --> 00:13:50,133 I later found out when speaking to Amelie's parents 231 00:13:50,267 --> 00:13:52,866 that what indeed they'd done was they had gone round there 232 00:13:53,466 --> 00:13:56,626 there was two detectives in a car parked on the drive. 233 00:13:56,832 --> 00:14:00,102 Amelie's father came home from work and they got out of the car 234 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:03,700 and said 'are you Mr Delagrange?' and he said 'yes' 235 00:14:03,832 --> 00:14:06,708 they said 'ok can you ring this number y daughter has been murdered in England' 236 00:14:06,732 --> 00:14:09,072 and they got in the car and drove off. 237 00:14:09,299 --> 00:14:11,970 They didn't even go in the house they never even entered the house. 238 00:14:12,432 --> 00:14:17,332 The first time the police officers went the Delagrange's house about Amelie's mu 239 00:14:17,466 --> 00:14:19,966 was when I went over there to the funera 240 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,100 So, it's just an example of how 241 00:14:23,366 --> 00:14:26,866 priorities are different in different co and things are done in different ways I 242 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,230 Even at that point there was an awarenes amongst all of us that this might not be 243 00:14:31,366 --> 00:14:32,697 the only one of these 244 00:14:32,832 --> 00:14:34,702 that there had been other attacks where women 245 00:14:34,832 --> 00:14:37,533 had been hit over the back of the head by a stranger. 246 00:14:38,667 --> 00:14:42,427 I suppose the first feeling was that thi was going to be one of those cases where 247 00:14:42,932 --> 00:14:44,533 you had this element of pressure 248 00:14:46,033 --> 00:14:47,302 to succeed quickly 249 00:14:47,899 --> 00:14:49,429 to try and protect other people. 250 00:14:49,899 --> 00:14:52,600 And I think we all realised that pretty early on 251 00:14:52,732 --> 00:14:56,932 so that probably added to the sombre attitude that there was. 252 00:15:09,067 --> 00:15:11,096 A little while into the investigation 253 00:15:11,232 --> 00:15:12,932 I was made aware of another case as... 254 00:15:13,067 --> 00:15:16,326 Kate Sheedy, in May 2004. 255 00:15:16,466 --> 00:15:20,496 Kate had been walking home and had just got off a bus in Isleworth 256 00:15:20,866 --> 00:15:22,466 but, she had seen this vehicle 257 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,629 that she thought was laying in wait for her. 258 00:15:24,767 --> 00:15:26,297 Kate was 18 years old; 259 00:15:26,432 --> 00:15:30,033 She had been to Twickenham town centre with some school friends to celebrate 260 00:15:30,167 --> 00:15:33,826 the last day of lessons before they were all dispersed and took their A levels. 261 00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:36,797 She got the bus back from Twickenham to home 262 00:15:37,133 --> 00:15:39,232 getting off at that bus stop down there. 263 00:15:39,533 --> 00:15:42,903 She then had a short, 200-yard walk, to her home. 264 00:15:43,366 --> 00:15:44,726 The suspect's vehicle 265 00:15:44,866 --> 00:15:46,197 a white people carrier 266 00:15:46,332 --> 00:15:47,472 had followed the bus. 267 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,230 Kate was concerned about this particular vehicle 268 00:15:50,366 --> 00:15:52,767 concerned enough to cross the road try and get out the way. 269 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:55,600 She started walking along the pavement 270 00:15:56,033 --> 00:15:57,572 and she saw ahead of her 271 00:15:58,232 --> 00:15:59,232 a white people carrier. 272 00:15:59,366 --> 00:16:01,397 It had blacked out windows 273 00:16:01,667 --> 00:16:05,126 and she thought it was odd because the engine was running but the lights were o 274 00:16:05,899 --> 00:16:07,429 She was intelligent enough 275 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,370 to sense something might be wrong and she'd heard stories 276 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:12,370 of girls being dragged into cars 277 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:13,539 and abducted and so forth. 278 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:15,100 To be on the safe side 279 00:16:15,167 --> 00:16:16,667 she thought 'I'll cross the road'. 280 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:19,100 So, she crossed onto the pavement on this side 281 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:21,730 and walked on this side 282 00:16:21,932 --> 00:16:23,702 until she got to this point here. 283 00:16:24,567 --> 00:16:25,697 When she was here 284 00:16:26,366 --> 00:16:28,966 the people carrier suddenly lurched forward at speed 285 00:16:29,167 --> 00:16:31,167 turned right and knocked her down. 286 00:16:34,966 --> 00:16:36,167 She fell to the ground 287 00:16:36,966 --> 00:16:40,366 the front wheel of the people carrier wh over her body and stopped 288 00:16:41,332 --> 00:16:45,673 then it went backwards, reversed over her again 289 00:16:47,167 --> 00:16:49,567 into the main road, and drove away. 290 00:16:49,832 --> 00:16:55,432 His whole intent was truly horrendous 291 00:16:56,033 --> 00:16:57,802 to do that to that young person 292 00:16:58,067 --> 00:17:05,166 probably because she's a person way out of his reach. 293 00:17:05,532 --> 00:17:07,232 Kate suffered terrible injuries 294 00:17:07,366 --> 00:17:10,467 every one of her ribs was broken her liver was split in two 295 00:17:10,967 --> 00:17:13,326 but she remained conscious throughout. 296 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,529 She managed to crawl a few yards 297 00:17:16,067 --> 00:17:19,497 recovering her mobile phone which she'd dropped during the incident. 298 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,670 She dialled her mother and told her mother 'I'm here 299 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,630 I've been knocked over, I need help' 300 00:17:25,767 --> 00:17:29,567 and then dialed 999 to get the police and the ambulance to come 301 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:33,569 showing the courage that she showed throughout this ordeal she suffered. 302 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:56,170 You can hear in her phone call how desperate 303 00:17:56,567 --> 00:17:58,527 that person is, at that point. 304 00:17:58,767 --> 00:18:02,166 If you replace being hit over the head with being run over by 305 00:18:02,833 --> 00:18:04,272 a people carrier 306 00:18:04,532 --> 00:18:07,903 then actually the profile of the victim the location, the sort of blitz attack 307 00:18:08,133 --> 00:18:10,502 everything was sort of similar So, I kept a real 308 00:18:10,833 --> 00:18:13,202 open and undecided mind on whether that 309 00:18:13,333 --> 00:18:15,573 might have been one of our cases as well 310 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,472 When I started on this investigation 311 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:36,470 I was aware of the Marsha McDonnell murd 312 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:38,799 I knew that Marsha had been murdered in Hampton 313 00:18:38,932 --> 00:18:41,032 not too far away, more than a year 314 00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:42,697 18 months previously. 315 00:18:43,532 --> 00:18:48,002 I also knew that it was investigated by another murder team one from Hendon 316 00:18:48,366 --> 00:18:52,326 and that they had what they considered t be a very good suspect who was arrested. 317 00:18:52,467 --> 00:18:55,467 Marsha had been at the cinema in Kingsto 318 00:18:55,599 --> 00:18:59,299 with her friends. And She'd got the 111-bus home 319 00:18:59,432 --> 00:19:00,803 here to Percy Road. 320 00:19:00,967 --> 00:19:05,396 It was about 20 past midnight when she arrived here at this bus stop. 321 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:07,369 Marsha McDonnell got off the bus 322 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:12,299 walked down the road, turned right towar her home address 323 00:19:13,067 --> 00:19:16,396 the suspect followed her, drove around the bus 324 00:19:17,067 --> 00:19:20,096 and pulled into the road behind her. 325 00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:22,173 We think he propositioned her 326 00:19:22,967 --> 00:19:26,166 then he got out of the car and struck her in the head with a heavy object 327 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:31,866 she sadly died from that injury. This wa now the 3rd case we were investigating 328 00:19:32,299 --> 00:19:34,700 which involved a victim who had just been on a bus 329 00:19:35,166 --> 00:19:37,166 and was accosted near a bus stop. 330 00:19:37,932 --> 00:19:39,502 Marsha's murder was another 331 00:19:39,633 --> 00:19:41,002 big story for the media 332 00:19:41,133 --> 00:19:46,202 and a very worrying story, I think for the population. 333 00:19:46,666 --> 00:19:49,366 There is no apparent explanation for 334 00:19:49,532 --> 00:19:53,732 why this would have happened other than it possibly being a serial attacker 335 00:19:54,232 --> 00:19:56,502 or someone that is striking at random. 336 00:19:56,633 --> 00:19:59,173 We know from other victims who had been hit over the head 337 00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:02,369 with a hammer from behind that there was no interaction 338 00:20:02,732 --> 00:20:05,472 he just went up behind them and hit them over the head with a hammer. 339 00:20:06,032 --> 00:20:09,873 Marsha's mother, having seen a picture for Amelie 340 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,769 the day after her murder 341 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:15,730 was very struck by the similarity in their appearances 342 00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:20,803 as well as the similarity in the modus operandi 343 00:20:20,932 --> 00:20:22,903 the method of their deaths. 344 00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:27,596 At that point, the investigation started to merge 345 00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:32,826 and the police began to focus on the fact that there was possibly here 346 00:20:33,099 --> 00:20:34,569 a serial attacker. 347 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:38,700 The Metropolitan Police said they were not linking it to Marsha's murder 348 00:20:38,932 --> 00:20:42,573 the reason for that was that they were looking at this other suspect 349 00:20:42,967 --> 00:20:46,027 who they felt murdered Marsha. 350 00:20:46,532 --> 00:20:49,833 On the night that Marsha was murdered, but before she was murdered 351 00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:53,027 there was another young lady, a 16-year-old girl 352 00:20:53,166 --> 00:20:57,096 who reported being followed by a strange young man. 353 00:20:57,567 --> 00:20:59,926 But when you looked at all the detail 354 00:21:00,067 --> 00:21:04,196 the only thing he had actually been iden for was for following this other girl 355 00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:08,303 there was no real connection between him and Marsha McDonnell. 356 00:21:08,532 --> 00:21:10,202 At the moment 357 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,619 they're two separate offenses and we're after Amelie and we're concentrating on 358 00:21:14,133 --> 00:21:15,772 You have to go with 359 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,909 the most recent job because you have the best chances of getting the best evidenc 360 00:21:18,932 --> 00:21:21,573 and then look at the others. 361 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:26,670 I was then told that there were other non-fatal attacks nearby. 362 00:21:27,633 --> 00:21:30,702 Because of the way that it works, whereb 363 00:21:30,833 --> 00:21:33,702 if you get attacked and you survive 364 00:21:33,833 --> 00:21:36,603 your case is investigated by a couple of DC's 365 00:21:37,267 --> 00:21:40,366 if you get attacked badly and you die 366 00:21:40,932 --> 00:21:43,333 it's investigated by a murder team of 30 odd. 367 00:21:43,767 --> 00:21:48,697 So, the non-fatal attacks in the area ha been left with the borough to deal with 368 00:21:49,532 --> 00:21:51,972 and we were completely unaware of them on the murder team. 369 00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:53,603 One of the first cases 370 00:21:53,732 --> 00:21:55,903 we think was linked to this series was 371 00:21:56,032 --> 00:21:57,903 of Anna Maria Rennie 372 00:21:58,032 --> 00:22:03,403 who was attacked in Hospital Bridge Road in Whitton in october 2001 373 00:22:03,532 --> 00:22:05,502 this was an abduction or attempted abduction. 374 00:22:05,633 --> 00:22:07,673 A vehicle pulls up after. 375 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:09,700 Anna Maria is walking away from a bus st 376 00:22:09,833 --> 00:22:13,603 and the suspect grabs a hold of her and tries to drag her to the rear of the car 377 00:22:13,732 --> 00:22:15,772 Anna Maria screams, struggles 378 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:20,400 and gets away and fortunately for her effectively the end of that particular a 379 00:22:20,732 --> 00:22:22,403 Edel Harbison had been 380 00:22:22,866 --> 00:22:23,926 walking in. 381 00:22:24,067 --> 00:22:26,497 April I think it was, in 2004 382 00:22:26,666 --> 00:22:30,227 walking from a restaurant on the north side of Twickenham Green to go home 383 00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,232 and been hit over the head 384 00:22:33,432 --> 00:22:34,673 dropping all of her shopping 385 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:36,900 falling flat on her face, smashing her face 386 00:22:37,032 --> 00:22:38,903 needing reconstructive surgery. 387 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:42,599 We didn't know a lady called 'Dawn Brunton' had been 388 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,599 attacked in the same way 389 00:22:44,732 --> 00:22:47,232 up towards Hatton Cross, towards Heathrow Airport 390 00:22:47,567 --> 00:22:51,027 on the 5th of November 2003 391 00:22:51,166 --> 00:22:53,626 sustaining head injuries 392 00:22:53,767 --> 00:22:57,567 to the back of her head where she was hi and facial injuries where she fell over. 393 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:04,299 Irma Dragoshi who was attacked in Longford Village in December 2003. 394 00:23:04,732 --> 00:23:06,702 Irma was an Albanian woman 395 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:09,803 who had lived in Hounslow with her husband. 396 00:23:09,932 --> 00:23:11,403 She was standing at a bus stop 397 00:23:11,532 --> 00:23:13,032 on her way home from work 398 00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:14,626 at about 10 o'clock at night 399 00:23:14,767 --> 00:23:18,567 when she was attacked randomly by a stranger 400 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:21,200 who hit her over the head with a blunt instrument 401 00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:22,903 and then Irma woke up in hospital 402 00:23:23,032 --> 00:23:25,972 with a huge injury to her head. 403 00:23:26,099 --> 00:23:31,299 She suffered, I think, very bad neck pai and back pain, very bad headaches 404 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:34,430 and I know she suffered a lot for quite a long time. 405 00:23:34,567 --> 00:23:35,997 There was another where. 406 00:23:36,133 --> 00:23:38,343 'Jesse Wilson' was found with a wound on the back of her head 407 00:23:38,366 --> 00:23:41,396 and facial injuries and was thought that she had fallen over in the snow 408 00:23:41,532 --> 00:23:43,202 it wasn't even dealt with as a crime. 409 00:23:43,333 --> 00:23:44,873 The common thing with all these 410 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,970 victims that survived is that they recall nothing at all of the attack 411 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:53,130 that's quite common, that you lose a portion of your recent memory. 412 00:23:53,267 --> 00:23:55,626 It was only when Marsha was murdered 413 00:23:56,299 --> 00:23:58,299 reasonably close by, 4 weeks later 414 00:23:58,767 --> 00:24:00,896 that Jesse's case was looked at again 415 00:24:01,032 --> 00:24:04,932 and the pathologist who had done the post-mortem examination on Marsha McDonn 416 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,069 looked at the photographs of the injurie that Jesse Wilson had 417 00:24:08,299 --> 00:24:12,099 and said 'I think this is the same person that did this' 418 00:24:15,032 --> 00:24:17,403 Because of the lack of detail and. 419 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,000 CCTV recovery and lack of potential evidence 420 00:24:21,299 --> 00:24:26,369 her case sat as a 'probable' 421 00:24:26,866 --> 00:24:29,426 rather than a 'definite' because we were unable to prove it. 422 00:24:29,567 --> 00:24:31,866 My strategy very much was 423 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,670 let's stick with Amelie for the moment. 424 00:24:35,032 --> 00:24:36,772 But the reason I said that was because 425 00:24:37,232 --> 00:24:38,772 it was the most recent offense 426 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,130 it hadn't ever been investigated by anybody else. 427 00:24:42,366 --> 00:24:46,027 If and when we find a suspect 428 00:24:46,267 --> 00:24:48,426 then we can try and work backwards 429 00:24:48,567 --> 00:24:51,997 and sort of retrofit him to those other offenses in the past. 430 00:24:58,567 --> 00:24:59,797 The next big 431 00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:02,303 piece of information we had to consider was 432 00:25:02,732 --> 00:25:04,873 the service provider for Amelie's mobile phone. 433 00:25:05,732 --> 00:25:08,972 They had been able to tell us that her phone 434 00:25:09,432 --> 00:25:11,803 was last on their network 435 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:14,430 at 23 minutes past 10 436 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,269 and that was in the vicinity of Walton Bridge. 437 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,799 Walton Bridge is 6-8 miles away 438 00:25:20,932 --> 00:25:23,972 we knew that she had been found by the passer by 439 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:26,170 getting on for quarter past 10. 440 00:25:27,067 --> 00:25:29,166 More interesting perhaps is the handshak 441 00:25:29,366 --> 00:25:31,596 in simple terms it's a phone saying, 'I'm here 442 00:25:31,833 --> 00:25:33,302 have you got any calls for me?' 443 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,099 and the network says 'no, it's alright, thank you but we know where you are now' 444 00:25:37,666 --> 00:25:39,096 What happened with Amelie's 445 00:25:39,232 --> 00:25:42,373 was that her phone was in the area of Walton on Thames Bridge 446 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,569 then it just suddenly disappeared. 447 00:25:44,967 --> 00:25:47,166 And that means one of 3 things. 448 00:25:47,299 --> 00:25:49,200 Either that the phone has been 449 00:25:49,333 --> 00:25:52,002 put into a place where there is no signa and stayed there 450 00:25:52,366 --> 00:25:55,697 that the phone has been deliberately broken 451 00:25:55,833 --> 00:25:57,673 or had the battery removed 452 00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:59,529 to stop it functioning straight away 453 00:25:59,666 --> 00:26:01,696 or it could been that it was thrown into water 454 00:26:01,833 --> 00:26:03,903 of course we're talking about Walton Bridge 455 00:26:04,032 --> 00:26:06,532 so there is a lot of water there because it's the river Thames. 456 00:26:08,767 --> 00:26:09,866 When we came down here 457 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,700 I wanted to try to find Amelie's phone 458 00:26:12,932 --> 00:26:15,032 and her other belongings from her handba 459 00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:18,573 So, I had the police divers come exactly to this spot 460 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:20,799 doing a dive every 15 to 20 minutes 461 00:26:20,932 --> 00:26:22,932 then resting and going back down again. 462 00:26:23,866 --> 00:26:27,527 It was remarkable, it was just the secon dive they made 463 00:26:28,432 --> 00:26:29,833 a diver surfaces 464 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,569 and shows us a keyring and a Sony Discma 465 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,130 the Sony Discman was something we knew Amelie had in her handbag 466 00:26:38,166 --> 00:26:40,297 but the keys were better because the key 467 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,970 had a fob on them which contained a photograph of Amelie 468 00:26:44,099 --> 00:26:45,730 at a theme park on a log flume. 469 00:26:45,932 --> 00:26:47,732 So, we instantly knew 470 00:26:47,866 --> 00:26:50,297 that this set of keys must have been her 471 00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:52,227 That really then confirmed 472 00:26:52,432 --> 00:26:55,103 the information that we had from the mobile phone company 473 00:26:55,333 --> 00:26:57,633 saying that whoever killed Amelie 474 00:26:57,767 --> 00:27:01,527 had brought her handbag and her belongin to this spot. 475 00:27:02,366 --> 00:27:06,067 The bridge here at Walton on Thames and this sort of public area aside 476 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,569 it is an important location for a number of reasons. 477 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:13,400 First, we had the cell sighting information from Amelie's 478 00:27:13,532 --> 00:27:16,333 mobile phone company which told us that the phone 479 00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,069 was last seen on the network, it was switched off or thrown into water 480 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,130 somewhere in this area. That had the effect of 481 00:27:23,267 --> 00:27:26,826 dictating to me the CCTV parameters 482 00:27:26,967 --> 00:27:29,896 every possible route 483 00:27:30,032 --> 00:27:32,673 from Twickenham Green to Walton Bridge 484 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:36,670 that could be done by car, that was the CCTV area. 485 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,630 The mobile phone were never found and of course things are so variable with curre 486 00:27:42,767 --> 00:27:44,896 and sort of different surfaces and boats going past 487 00:27:45,032 --> 00:27:48,373 it's not really surprising, we searched there for a good while 488 00:27:48,532 --> 00:27:50,202 for I think over two or three days 489 00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:53,103 but couldn't find it in the stretch of area but 490 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:56,769 didn't really need to, we had her keys we had the mobile phone signal 491 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,869 we knew that's where things had gone straight after the murder. 492 00:28:03,866 --> 00:28:05,396 Normally in an investigation 493 00:28:05,532 --> 00:28:08,103 in most murder investigations we did, we'd have one 494 00:28:08,299 --> 00:28:11,170 sometimes two officers looking at CCTV. 495 00:28:11,333 --> 00:28:14,932 Such was the volume on this case that we had seven 496 00:28:15,633 --> 00:28:19,103 and we'd gave them a dedicated room, we got all the equipment that we could. 497 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:21,369 One morning I went past there 498 00:28:21,633 --> 00:28:23,843 and one of them said 'governor, you need to come and see this...' 499 00:28:23,866 --> 00:28:26,666 One of the most crucial parts of the CCTV was 500 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,930 a bus camera that picked up a white van parked alongside the green. 501 00:28:31,067 --> 00:28:32,567 At almost exactly the time 502 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:34,730 that Amelie must have been being murdere 503 00:28:34,866 --> 00:28:37,727 there was a little white van parked just over there 504 00:28:37,967 --> 00:28:41,396 the other side of the cricket pavilion. Was only there for less than eight minut 505 00:28:41,532 --> 00:28:45,202 By going back to other CCTV earlier in the evening and slightly afterwards 506 00:28:45,333 --> 00:28:49,133 they were able to reconstruct what that van had been doing. 507 00:28:49,366 --> 00:28:53,166 It had been driving around and around Twickenham Green 508 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,670 for 40 minutes. 509 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,769 It looked like somebody was hunting. 510 00:28:56,967 --> 00:29:00,227 This van first appeared in the Twickenham Green area 511 00:29:00,366 --> 00:29:05,027 just after 20 to 10 I then plotted it and had seen it on 512 00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:07,596 I think it was 14 different occasions 513 00:29:08,232 --> 00:29:11,772 at various points around the green over the next three quarters of an hour. 514 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,799 The CCTV team 515 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,500 then spent hours trawling through the footage 516 00:29:17,866 --> 00:29:20,826 identifying the white van from different angles 517 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,099 side views, back views, whatever they ca get from whatever footage they've got. 518 00:29:25,232 --> 00:29:30,032 It did not include detail of the registration number but it did gi 519 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,470 quite specific detail about the type. 520 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:39,099 Luck was on our side to a degree because it had a headlight that wasn't working, 521 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,299 it had a wheel trim missing from the front nearside wheel 522 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:44,829 and it had some sort of defects at the back 523 00:29:44,967 --> 00:29:48,926 which made it easily identifiable on CCT 524 00:29:49,366 --> 00:29:54,626 Looking at the movements of the van and Amelie's movements together 525 00:29:54,932 --> 00:29:56,302 we can be certain 526 00:29:56,732 --> 00:29:59,103 that at some point in Hampton Road 527 00:29:59,366 --> 00:30:01,096 the van had passed her. 528 00:30:01,567 --> 00:30:06,767 Not only that, but her pace slowed down as if she may have been stopped for a wh 529 00:30:07,467 --> 00:30:09,567 And that's why we think that what happen 530 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:11,569 was that the driver of the van 531 00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:15,299 had seen her walking, had stopped and engaged her in conversation 532 00:30:16,166 --> 00:30:20,126 and than presumably when the proposition was declined 533 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:22,500 the van carried on in front of her 534 00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:24,200 parked up there 535 00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:26,326 and the driver laid in wait 536 00:30:26,467 --> 00:30:32,666 and when he saw Amelie, very visible eve dark green because she had all white clo 537 00:30:33,366 --> 00:30:38,866 He came up behind her, stalked her aroun the cricket wicket and then attacked her 538 00:30:40,633 --> 00:30:42,403 The thing about Colin Sutton 539 00:30:42,567 --> 00:30:44,666 is he thinks outside the box. 540 00:30:45,932 --> 00:30:50,833 There was one window of opportunity and that was around a camera on the bus 541 00:30:50,967 --> 00:30:54,126 that had picked up the Ford courier van 542 00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:57,670 around Twickenham Green at that precise time. 543 00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,670 A brilliant job by his team 544 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,470 in terms of going through all the CCTV from the area 545 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:05,329 a painstaking job. 546 00:31:05,467 --> 00:31:09,027 We needed to find out who was in that va Even if it wasn't the murderer 547 00:31:09,532 --> 00:31:12,373 and I had a good suspicion that it probably was the murderer but 548 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:17,369 even if it weren't the murderer, it woul be a potential witness some people above 549 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:19,470 thought I should be 550 00:31:20,666 --> 00:31:22,696 putting my time not on CCTV and vans 551 00:31:22,833 --> 00:31:24,702 but on rounding up local sex offenders 552 00:31:24,833 --> 00:31:25,702 and the usual suspects. 553 00:31:25,833 --> 00:31:27,772 There is kind of a difference between 554 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:30,430 theoretical investigation 555 00:31:30,666 --> 00:31:32,997 and what academia might say. 556 00:31:33,166 --> 00:31:40,197 There was no obvious physical sexual dimension to these attacks. 557 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,930 A sociopath or psychopath is someone wit no feelings about anyone whatsoever. 558 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,920 He just went up behind them and hit them over the head with a hammer. 559 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,569 To say that we should be looking at sex offenders 560 00:31:52,166 --> 00:31:54,497 to the exclusion of somebody 561 00:31:55,133 --> 00:31:56,232 who was there at the time 562 00:31:56,767 --> 00:31:57,896 didn't make any sense to me. 563 00:31:58,032 --> 00:31:59,873 My immediate boss didn't agree with me 564 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,369 some of my team may not have agreed with me. 565 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:07,670 But, that was my decision, that's what I got paid to do to make these decisions t 566 00:32:08,432 --> 00:32:10,732 strategize on the investigations. 567 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,900 I went to the Ford Motor Company 568 00:32:15,032 --> 00:32:18,772 and they were able to tell me from looki at the pictures and various features of 569 00:32:19,133 --> 00:32:22,403 that there were approximately 25 thousan registered in the UK. 570 00:32:22,532 --> 00:32:24,333 We needed to be able to find 571 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,400 the white Ford Courier vans that were being used 572 00:32:27,532 --> 00:32:28,633 in the Twickenham area. 573 00:32:28,767 --> 00:32:30,727 Nowadays that would be easy because there's 574 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:35,227 really reliable number plate recognition camera software. 575 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:38,099 We didn't have that, so the only other way of doing it 576 00:32:38,366 --> 00:32:40,567 was by human observation. 577 00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:42,769 The resources that were put in to trying finding 578 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:48,329 that included evenings and night times in and around Twickenham and me personal 579 00:32:48,666 --> 00:32:50,297 along with others, stood on a footbridge 580 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,769 across the A316 in the Twickenham/Whitton area 581 00:32:54,166 --> 00:32:55,767 looking for incoming vehicles 582 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:58,569 coming backwards and forwards on the A31 583 00:32:58,767 --> 00:33:00,467 had we seen any, we would have made 584 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:04,170 contact with local officers and they wou have stopped the vehicles there and then 585 00:33:04,532 --> 00:33:06,673 I'd read a book about the Yorkshire Ripp 586 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,769 The investigation, and the 587 00:33:09,866 --> 00:33:15,727 the investigation there had 50 thousand they had to try and eliminate on tyre tr 588 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:19,529 And they started it and they had far wor 589 00:33:20,333 --> 00:33:24,073 facilities and equipment than we had, because we had computers and things 590 00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:26,403 they had sheets of paper and people 591 00:33:26,633 --> 00:33:30,032 literally ruling cars out on their hands and knees on the floor with 592 00:33:30,166 --> 00:33:31,527 with magic marker pens. 593 00:33:31,666 --> 00:33:32,866 They gave up 594 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,742 they found that they couldn't manage it and they went on 595 00:33:34,767 --> 00:33:37,846 to pursue other lines of inquiry about halfway through and if they carried on. 596 00:33:38,633 --> 00:33:42,403 Peter Sutcliffe's Ford Corsair was in that group. 597 00:33:42,932 --> 00:33:45,903 We've got to have learned in the last 25 years that 598 00:33:46,866 --> 00:33:51,227 if you embark upon this sort of exercise then you have to see it through. 599 00:33:51,633 --> 00:33:53,032 I remember at the time 600 00:33:53,166 --> 00:33:55,467 thinking 'this really is a needle in a haystack'. 601 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,599 You make your own luck, and Colin once described himself as being 602 00:33:59,032 --> 00:34:01,403 either a good detective or a lucky one 603 00:34:01,567 --> 00:34:03,366 and you might argue; You make your own luck. 604 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:05,599 A number of us, myself included 605 00:34:06,067 --> 00:34:08,896 was spending a couple of hours after work each day 606 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,530 in Twickenham, around Twickenham Green a just driving around or sitting parked up 607 00:34:13,666 --> 00:34:15,496 hoping to spot this white van. 608 00:34:15,632 --> 00:34:20,432 I had no illusions that it was going to extremely time consuming 609 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,099 and I think if it had failed, somebody e would have taken this investigation off 610 00:34:28,032 --> 00:34:29,672 The point was made by Colin that 611 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,630 he would put resources, whatever it took to find that vehicle. 612 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,699 As it happened 613 00:34:34,867 --> 00:34:38,126 it was us in the incident room, or me in incident room that identified the right 614 00:34:38,367 --> 00:34:42,197 Because of the nature of Amelie's death the fact that such a 615 00:34:42,833 --> 00:34:45,402 terrible crime is so rare in that area 616 00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:48,126 we'd had all sorts of help from the local community. 617 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,170 Jo Collins gave information about her ex-partner. 618 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,929 She said his name was Levi, she'd come across certain things 619 00:34:55,067 --> 00:34:57,867 blonde women being photographs that were stabbed out. 620 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,469 'He was violent towards me 621 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,730 he's a misogynist, he hates blonde women particularly. 622 00:35:02,867 --> 00:35:04,126 He also would work doors 623 00:35:04,266 --> 00:35:05,967 in nightclubs and things like that. 624 00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:08,670 That made him this supposed 625 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,429 character who could endear himself to young girls 626 00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:14,197 because he could encourage young girls to get into night clubs. 627 00:35:14,467 --> 00:35:17,186 So, they would look at him... but most of these girls were vulnerable 628 00:35:17,432 --> 00:35:18,632 and very often 629 00:35:18,867 --> 00:35:22,126 those young girls would soon be abused and damaged by him. 630 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:24,969 He currently works as a wheel clamper an he uses a white van'. 631 00:35:25,099 --> 00:35:26,929 This is an illegal car clamper 632 00:35:27,132 --> 00:35:30,932 who puts signs up after people have park 633 00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:33,733 and waits for vulnerable women to come back 634 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,269 to their vehicle before confronting them 635 00:35:36,532 --> 00:35:38,032 with torrents of abuse 636 00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:41,199 saying how much this person has to pay to get the clamp off. 637 00:35:41,467 --> 00:35:44,067 What that did was trigger somebody else's memory 638 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:48,269 who said 'hang on, when we were looking at the locally registered couriers 639 00:35:48,766 --> 00:35:52,266 a garage said they'd sold one to a wheel clamper' 640 00:35:53,132 --> 00:35:54,842 So I'm wondering if that could be the same one. 641 00:35:54,867 --> 00:35:56,297 My brother, Dave 642 00:35:56,432 --> 00:35:58,608 had been in the police a little bit longer than me and he had a number 643 00:35:58,632 --> 00:36:00,402 of connections through policing 644 00:36:00,532 --> 00:36:04,103 and personal life in and around sort of Kingston Richmond, Twickenham 645 00:36:04,233 --> 00:36:05,103 where we grew up. 646 00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:07,233 Predominantly, my first role 647 00:36:07,432 --> 00:36:11,273 was in relation to the tracing of the white van. 648 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,775 It didn't have a registration number 649 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,969 just had a white van which was quite distinctive 650 00:36:15,099 --> 00:36:19,170 but not specifically distinctive because it was quite a blurred image. 651 00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:22,932 So, each officer had actions to go out and trace white vans. 652 00:36:23,132 --> 00:36:25,733 Joanne Collins information came back int the incident room 653 00:36:25,932 --> 00:36:29,432 I reviewed that, in particular the information about the wheel clamper 654 00:36:29,833 --> 00:36:31,932 then made me review this particular dock 655 00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:33,726 about this particular vehicle. 656 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:35,730 The vehicle was the right type 657 00:36:35,867 --> 00:36:40,626 but more importantly, it was sold by a dealer that both my brother. 658 00:36:40,833 --> 00:36:42,233 Dave Leach, and I, knew. 659 00:36:42,532 --> 00:36:44,873 Guy called John Wren who worked for Warren Motors. 660 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,269 It was a man that I knew well 661 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,269 I had a relationship with John from way back. 662 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,500 This is just relations built on normal policing 663 00:36:50,699 --> 00:36:52,675 when you drop in for a tea and you get a bit of knowledge 664 00:36:52,699 --> 00:36:55,139 it was that kind of relationship if you're in the van business 665 00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:57,670 you're dealing with some quite serious characters 666 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,599 and these characters who bought the van 667 00:36:59,733 --> 00:37:00,873 a guy called Aaron Smith 668 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,329 who was a traveller, bought 2 vans from John 669 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,099 and one of them 670 00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:08,827 this particular van was being driven by Levi Bellfield. 671 00:37:09,432 --> 00:37:12,003 I knew that there was a car clamping business 672 00:37:12,532 --> 00:37:14,472 and I knew about a white van 673 00:37:14,632 --> 00:37:16,733 that had tickets against it 674 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,800 speeding tickets, parking tickets that type of thing 675 00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:21,873 that had come in from the DVLC. 676 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,570 I stressed right away to my brother. 677 00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:26,000 'I think we've got this guy called Levi' 678 00:37:29,067 --> 00:37:31,697 The dealer had seen the vehicle recently 679 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,570 and what he had seen was that the back of the vehicle has changed. 680 00:37:35,699 --> 00:37:39,000 He said, 'there is something distinctive about this white van, Dave'. 681 00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:40,967 On the back of the van 682 00:37:41,099 --> 00:37:42,869 low down on both doors 683 00:37:43,032 --> 00:37:44,773 are welded two metal plates. 684 00:37:45,532 --> 00:37:47,702 My memory of watching the CCTV 685 00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:50,873 was that there was something on the back of the van 686 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,599 that stood out, you couldn't recognise i 687 00:37:52,733 --> 00:37:55,233 as metal plates initially, unless you kn you wouldn't 688 00:37:55,699 --> 00:37:57,300 actually say it was metal plates. 689 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,699 But there was something distinctive about it that glared in the camera. 690 00:38:00,833 --> 00:38:06,072 Then the other thing he noticed, he said glass panels on the back had been painte 691 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,929 This made that vehicle in particular, unique. 692 00:38:09,166 --> 00:38:13,467 More importantly now matched exactly wha was on the CCTV. 693 00:38:13,766 --> 00:38:19,297 So, to my mind at that stage then, I kne that we were dealing with Levi Bellfield 694 00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:23,469 The van matched the description absolute bang on. 695 00:38:23,867 --> 00:38:28,666 The research that goes into that vehicle straight away is enormous 696 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,130 everywhere it's been 697 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:31,367 every camera it's done 698 00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,630 speeding offenses on the M25 699 00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:35,132 bus lanes in Twickenham. 700 00:38:36,632 --> 00:38:39,202 \We do an intelligence che 701 00:38:39,333 --> 00:38:42,103 on Levi Bellfield then, to see what was known about him. 702 00:38:42,233 --> 00:38:44,032 He had relatively few 703 00:38:44,367 --> 00:38:47,126 previous convictions, quite a lot of intelligence 704 00:38:47,266 --> 00:38:51,666 because getting into scrapes and always getting stopped by police and doing thes 705 00:38:52,132 --> 00:38:57,172 one of those scrapes was that in May 200 706 00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,400 he was arrested for abducting a pub landlord 707 00:39:00,632 --> 00:39:04,432 and no charges reported, he was never co of anything or indeed charged with it. 708 00:39:05,367 --> 00:39:06,867 But the important thing was 709 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,769 that it said that he was arrested for abducting this man 710 00:39:10,099 --> 00:39:12,300 in a Toyota Previa. 711 00:39:12,967 --> 00:39:16,766 I gave the registration number that was in this report to Tracy 712 00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:21,900 one of our researchers and said 'can you on the computer to see what color this v 713 00:39:22,032 --> 00:39:25,532 Because if it's white, I think it could be something to do with Kate Sheedy. 714 00:39:26,266 --> 00:39:27,367 And she came back 715 00:39:28,233 --> 00:39:30,675 two minutes later and said 'governor I think we've hit the jackpot'. 716 00:39:30,699 --> 00:39:34,769 What we've then got is Levi Bellfield involved with a white Ford Courier van 717 00:39:35,032 --> 00:39:36,632 of exactly the type 718 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:41,199 that we know was 70 yards away from wher Amelie died while she was being murdered 719 00:39:41,833 --> 00:39:45,003 And we know that Levi Bellfield had a white Toyota Previa 720 00:39:45,733 --> 00:39:49,603 at exactly the time that such a vehicle run over Kate Sheedy. 721 00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:54,030 From that moment onwards, we had our suspect. 722 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:12,733 It's the 11th of November 2004. 723 00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,030 I'm looking through my Levi Bellfield intelligence print-out 724 00:40:17,032 --> 00:40:19,972 and I see that in March 2002 725 00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:27,030 he's shown on that as living at Collingwood Place in Walton on Thames. 726 00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:31,172 But I think if he's got connections in Walton on Thames 727 00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:34,172 that's probably why he fled there after he murdered Amelie. 728 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,829 Let's have a look at where this place he used to live is. 729 00:40:37,032 --> 00:40:40,833 So, I'm expecting this place to be close river close to where the phone was switc 730 00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:45,003 Instead, I find that it's the other side of town it's right by the railway statio 731 00:40:45,132 --> 00:40:46,572 Of course, I knew 732 00:40:47,032 --> 00:40:52,902 'hang on, that's exactly where Millie Dowler was abducted in 2002'. 733 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:57,570 There was a certain amount of interest from both the media 734 00:40:57,699 --> 00:40:59,500 but also from local people in Walton 735 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,869 as to whether or not there was any connection between what we was doing 736 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,469 and Millie Dowler. 737 00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:09,130 We had no reason to think that it was connected because 738 00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:12,266 abducting and murdering a 13-year-old gi 739 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,300 is a very different crime 740 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,869 to randomly attacking 741 00:41:18,567 --> 00:41:20,666 adult women by hitting them on the back of the head. 742 00:41:20,833 --> 00:41:22,873 Millie was on her way home from school on the train 743 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,900 and instead of getting off at Hersham 744 00:41:25,132 --> 00:41:26,902 she stayed an extra stop 745 00:41:27,166 --> 00:41:30,097 to go and get some chips here at Walton on Thames, with her friends. 746 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,170 When she had her chips 747 00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:35,000 she crossed over and was walking on this pavement. 748 00:41:35,632 --> 00:41:37,773 A friend of hers was at the bus stop behind me 749 00:41:38,166 --> 00:41:40,166 and she saw Milly walk past the bus stop 750 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:44,030 but Milly couldn't get on the bus, she d any money so she was going to have to wa 751 00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:46,166 At that time 752 00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:49,929 there was a building across the road wit CCTV cameras on its corners 753 00:41:50,367 --> 00:41:53,367 and they would have captured Millie if she had walked past the building 754 00:41:53,532 --> 00:41:54,572 however they didn't. 755 00:41:55,132 --> 00:41:57,802 So, what we know is somewhere between that bus stop 756 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,769 and this spot here, Millie Dowler was abducted. 757 00:42:03,967 --> 00:42:07,166 It wasn't until September 2002 that. 758 00:42:07,867 --> 00:42:12,226 Millie's body was found by two people going to pick mushrooms 759 00:42:12,367 --> 00:42:16,067 in the woods near Yately, in Hampshire. 760 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,130 Surrey Police had been combing their county 761 00:42:20,632 --> 00:42:22,702 for six months almost to the day 762 00:42:22,932 --> 00:42:24,603 and not found Millie Dowler. 763 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,869 It was here in Yately Heath Woods in Ham some 25 miles from where she was abducte 764 00:42:30,432 --> 00:42:32,172 that she was eventually found. 765 00:42:32,532 --> 00:42:34,972 There wasn't much to be told from Millie's body 766 00:42:35,099 --> 00:42:36,769 and the post-mortem examination 767 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:40,269 she'd been in the open for six months an there had been certain animal activity. 768 00:42:41,233 --> 00:42:45,302 She was in the undergrowth, she hadn't b she had just been sort of lightly concea 769 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,670 This was an area with which Bellfield was very familiar 770 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,530 just down the road there's an arena wher he accompanied his former partner. 771 00:42:53,666 --> 00:42:58,396 Joanna Collins on many occasions when she bought her horses here to show-jump. 772 00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:03,170 We still don't know to this day how she met her death. 773 00:43:03,967 --> 00:43:07,067 The only thing of which the pathologists could be certain 774 00:43:07,532 --> 00:43:10,802 was that she hadn't suffered a severe bl to the head 775 00:43:11,132 --> 00:43:13,373 in the manner of his other victims. 776 00:43:15,067 --> 00:43:17,726 Millie didn't die from being battered with a hammer 777 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,699 the most likely explanation is, I think that she was strangled 778 00:43:21,833 --> 00:43:24,702 but there was a difference between 779 00:43:25,233 --> 00:43:27,233 being murdered in that fashion 780 00:43:27,932 --> 00:43:31,032 and young women who... 781 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:35,469 early twenties, Amelie was 22, Marsha was 19. 782 00:43:37,067 --> 00:43:38,266 At that point, really 783 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,199 the investigation was no closer to 784 00:43:40,333 --> 00:43:44,572 finding out who did it, than they were s previously the day after she went missin 785 00:43:44,733 --> 00:43:46,532 Any murder case 786 00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:50,297 no matter who it is, no matter where, th background you will work hard to get to 787 00:43:50,432 --> 00:43:54,873 We just get on with it, do what we're meant to do as thoroughly as we can. 788 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,869 If we do that and we do that right 789 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,429 99 times out of 100, we will solve it. 790 00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:02,730 I realised that Levi Bellfield was 791 00:44:02,867 --> 00:44:04,867 far more of a complex character 792 00:44:05,099 --> 00:44:06,800 than just somebody 793 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,329 who hit women on the back of the head. 794 00:44:09,766 --> 00:44:11,697 Bellfield was also a paedophile 795 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,199 who sexually assaulted and abused young girls. 796 00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:18,972 The more we got to know about Levi Bellfield 797 00:44:19,099 --> 00:44:21,429 the more appalling his lifestyle appeare 798 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,099 Bellfield had a 16-year-old girlfriend 799 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,300 in addition to his partner, Emma Mills. 800 00:44:27,432 --> 00:44:31,132 He had a flat in Hanworth which was know as the raping room 801 00:44:31,367 --> 00:44:33,126 where he and 802 00:44:33,367 --> 00:44:35,726 a group of vile individuals 803 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:39,469 some of whom worked with him on his wheel-clamping business 804 00:44:39,967 --> 00:44:41,327 would take young girls. 805 00:44:41,467 --> 00:44:44,126 But he was also into supplying and selling drugs 806 00:44:44,266 --> 00:44:46,527 he beats everybody 807 00:44:47,067 --> 00:44:50,197 he's ever lived with, every relationship he's had. 808 00:44:50,333 --> 00:44:53,003 People who he could easily intimidate 809 00:44:53,733 --> 00:44:56,702 pay a pittance and exploit. 810 00:44:57,766 --> 00:45:02,967 One of these guys, Peter Rodriguez, work with him Bellfield exploits to such a de 811 00:45:03,432 --> 00:45:07,733 he not only stores drugs at the man's mothers flat while she was in hospital 812 00:45:07,967 --> 00:45:10,067 but he gets his 16-year-old girlfriend 813 00:45:10,699 --> 00:45:12,630 to groom a 14-year-old 814 00:45:12,766 --> 00:45:16,467 who he then takes to that flat, gives drugs to her 815 00:45:17,132 --> 00:45:18,802 and she's raped by him and his friends. 816 00:45:18,932 --> 00:45:23,902 Rodriguez obviously put up an objection one day to Bellfield's conduct. 817 00:45:24,032 --> 00:45:25,672 Bellfield didn't like it 818 00:45:25,932 --> 00:45:28,072 and as Rodriguez left the flat. 819 00:45:28,467 --> 00:45:31,626 Bellfield carried out a hammer attack. 820 00:45:32,067 --> 00:45:36,126 Rodriguez, I think died three times on the operating table 821 00:45:36,266 --> 00:45:41,797 he spent a long time in hospital recovering from his injuries. 822 00:45:42,367 --> 00:45:44,697 When he finally came round, Rodriguez sa 823 00:45:45,266 --> 00:45:47,347 'the last thing I remember before the lights went out 824 00:45:47,432 --> 00:45:50,672 was Levi Bellfield was coming towards me with a mallet in his hand'. 825 00:45:51,132 --> 00:45:53,532 Bellfield had been arrested for that attack 826 00:45:54,067 --> 00:45:57,496 but bailed because there wasn't sufficient evidence. 827 00:45:58,032 --> 00:46:00,472 This was six weeks before Amelie died. 828 00:46:01,067 --> 00:46:02,396 I was also mindful that 829 00:46:02,532 --> 00:46:05,503 we now knew who he was and if he murdere somebody else 830 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,269 we needed to be in the position to say 831 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,929 that we've done what we could to keep the public of South-West London safe. 832 00:46:12,067 --> 00:46:16,327 I genuinely believed that he was such a danger to the public 833 00:46:17,333 --> 00:46:23,532 that the odds were that he was going to attack again and it was going to be soon 834 00:46:24,967 --> 00:46:28,666 I really wanted to lock him up the day after we identified him 835 00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:30,800 I'd have been happy to arrest him then. 836 00:46:31,532 --> 00:46:34,833 I was persuaded otherwise from some very senior 837 00:46:35,099 --> 00:46:39,099 officers in the Met, who thought that we could put surveillance behind him. 838 00:46:39,233 --> 00:46:41,032 After, kind of myself 839 00:46:41,166 --> 00:46:46,297 and my brother Dave joined the dots, if you like between vehicle and suspect. 840 00:46:46,432 --> 00:46:48,503 We went into a surveillance stage 841 00:46:48,632 --> 00:46:50,603 where we were 842 00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,300 you know, looking for further evidence against him. 843 00:46:54,432 --> 00:46:58,432 From my perspective, I don't think it ch anything it didn't lead to any extra evi 844 00:46:59,233 --> 00:47:02,273 While we've got Bellfield under surveillance 24/7 845 00:47:02,632 --> 00:47:05,302 team behind him, watching his every move 846 00:47:05,532 --> 00:47:10,702 It's a Sunday afternoon, he's in Uxbridg in West London with a friend. 847 00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:12,599 There were two girls, and they 848 00:47:12,967 --> 00:47:14,327 were waiting at a bus stop. 849 00:47:14,699 --> 00:47:19,400 Bellfield drives past, sees them, gets out and engages in conversation with the 850 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,829 and the surveillance team was watching this 851 00:47:22,166 --> 00:47:23,867 and they're so close to intervening 852 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,670 with this because they don't like what's happening with these two young teenage g 853 00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:31,630 And then a bus comes, the bus comes alon and the girls get on it 854 00:47:31,766 --> 00:47:36,126 and Bellfield waves them off with a chee sort of abusive, calls them something. 855 00:47:37,166 --> 00:47:39,027 And they go away on the bus and he drives off. 856 00:47:39,632 --> 00:47:43,702 So, the surveillance team do absolutely the right thing, the peel off one car 857 00:47:44,099 --> 00:47:47,469 that follows the bus, the rest of them stay with Bellfield. 858 00:47:48,067 --> 00:47:51,797 And when these two girls got off the bus the police officers introduced themselve 859 00:47:52,099 --> 00:47:56,269 and they said that he got out and asked how old they were, they told him they we 860 00:47:56,567 --> 00:47:59,067 he said 'you're nice and young then I like them young' and 861 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,670 made suggestions to them of that nature. 862 00:48:01,833 --> 00:48:03,672 So, we've got here 863 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,630 a man who preys on 864 00:48:05,766 --> 00:48:09,226 women who have just been on buses or at bus stops. 865 00:48:10,032 --> 00:48:14,032 Amelie Delagrange, Kate Sheedy, Marsha McDonnell 866 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,599 all just got off a bus and here he is, at a bus stop 867 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,800 chatting up two 14-year-old girls and not chatting them up nicely 868 00:48:25,099 --> 00:48:29,730 but they are 14 year-old-girls and he is making suggestive sexual comments to. 869 00:48:32,233 --> 00:48:35,003 Apart from the bus stop incident with the girls 870 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,570 somebody else came forward to us as well and said 'my nanny 871 00:48:38,699 --> 00:48:42,130 was attacked near Twickenham Green a few years ago'. 872 00:48:43,032 --> 00:48:47,373 We were able to trace that incident and verify it 873 00:48:47,833 --> 00:48:50,902 from the triage records at the local hospital which said 874 00:48:51,432 --> 00:48:54,202 'the woman called Sonia Salvatierra who was 875 00:48:54,333 --> 00:48:57,572 a Peruvian national had gone in there reporting 876 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,329 discomfort and a bit of a sore head from 877 00:49:00,699 --> 00:49:02,900 being knocked over and having her phone stolen. 878 00:49:03,032 --> 00:49:06,273 And we made contact in Peru with Sonia a she said 'yeah I remember the man' 879 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,670 she described this man with a round face 880 00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:14,202 a fat man and no neck and all the things that sounded very much like Bellfield 881 00:49:14,766 --> 00:49:20,027 so to me, this was going to be our kind charge I thought that would work, if we 882 00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:22,097 we could get Sonia back over here 883 00:49:22,233 --> 00:49:23,333 from Peru 884 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,170 put Bellfield on an ID parade, she picks him out 885 00:49:26,766 --> 00:49:28,097 we charge him with that 886 00:49:28,367 --> 00:49:31,266 serious assault he's remanded in custody and that takes the pressure off. 887 00:49:31,432 --> 00:49:35,833 So, that was the plan we were going to a we were gonna arrest him for Amelie's mu 888 00:49:36,266 --> 00:49:37,827 attempting to murder Kate 889 00:49:38,532 --> 00:49:42,632 and for an assault and robbery on Sonia Salvatierra. 890 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,369 That was when we had the bombshell 891 00:49:47,867 --> 00:49:49,867 that the News of the World had found out 892 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,230 that we had a man on surveillance 893 00:49:52,666 --> 00:49:54,467 and they were going to run with the stor 894 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,630 two days before we had this 895 00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:58,800 huge plan in place to arrest him. 896 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,469 Bellfield would have wind of us 897 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,030 the best we could do was try to negotiat 898 00:50:03,166 --> 00:50:05,467 with the News of the World and we negotiated 899 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,170 that they would be able to send a report and a photographer along 900 00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,570 on the day of the arrest with the provis 901 00:50:10,833 --> 00:50:13,003 that they never printed it and never published 902 00:50:13,132 --> 00:50:15,032 the story until after the trial. 903 00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:17,827 I've never actually found out who 904 00:50:18,467 --> 00:50:21,367 leaked the story of the surveillance 905 00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:25,369 to them but the two things I've been ass of is one, that it wasn't anybody from m 906 00:50:25,733 --> 00:50:27,932 and two, there was nothing to do with an phone hacking 907 00:50:29,099 --> 00:50:34,329 and the steer that I've had is that I sh looking at the higher floors at Scotland 908 00:50:41,932 --> 00:50:43,632 Once the decision is made to arrest 909 00:50:43,766 --> 00:50:45,297 we would divide into two teams. 910 00:50:45,432 --> 00:50:49,172 The arrest team that went to Bellfield's address in West Drayton 911 00:50:49,532 --> 00:50:51,932 would have entered the house quickly 912 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,300 and effected a search of the property 913 00:50:55,532 --> 00:50:58,702 and the surrounding sort of gardens etc. 914 00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:01,800 Initially they couldn't find him, he was nowhere to be seen. 915 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,670 And then was an identification 916 00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:09,170 for his partner Emma, that he was in the loft. 917 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:10,929 It took them quite some time 918 00:51:11,166 --> 00:51:13,867 to find him hiding in his loft, as he wa 919 00:51:14,367 --> 00:51:17,427 stark naked and eventually brought him out. 920 00:51:17,967 --> 00:51:19,527 Colin then rang me at home 921 00:51:19,666 --> 00:51:21,643 I remember the phone call, he said, 'I want you to do 922 00:51:21,666 --> 00:51:24,527 the following interviews with him over the next few days. 923 00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:26,969 So, my reply to him was, 'Boss 924 00:51:27,099 --> 00:51:29,300 I'm not sure that's a great idea 925 00:51:29,432 --> 00:51:32,443 with the greatest respect, I'm sure some else could do it'. But he was quite adam 926 00:51:32,467 --> 00:51:34,306 as much as he was a nice guy and very laid back 927 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,269 when he made a decision, he meant it. 928 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,170 He was very firm about it and said 929 00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,800 'no, I want you to do it, I want you to interview and Dave, don't worry about it 930 00:51:45,432 --> 00:51:47,103 At first he was 931 00:51:47,699 --> 00:51:50,329 talking to us and making denials 932 00:51:50,467 --> 00:51:53,726 but he was represented by a solicitor that he knew 933 00:51:53,867 --> 00:51:54,927 that he asked for. 934 00:51:55,632 --> 00:51:57,733 The difficulty came that when 935 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,670 we started to investigate him also for 936 00:52:01,266 --> 00:52:03,927 rape and abuse of his former partners 937 00:52:04,266 --> 00:52:08,697 this solicitor had represented one of th partners in domestic violence proceeding 938 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,469 So, they had a conflict of interest and had to withdraw 939 00:52:12,233 --> 00:52:15,202 the duty solicitor then took over 940 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:19,130 and the duty solicitor advised him to make no comment. 941 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,429 So, for most of the 942 00:52:21,567 --> 00:52:24,666 hours of interviews we did with Bellfield thereafter 943 00:52:24,967 --> 00:52:26,827 he would say 'no comment'. 944 00:52:45,666 --> 00:52:46,666 To be honest 945 00:52:46,699 --> 00:52:48,929 I'd seen that type of interview many tim 946 00:52:49,067 --> 00:52:51,967 and in those days, we got a lot of 'no comment' interviews. 947 00:52:52,132 --> 00:52:54,373 We still have to cover a lot of question 948 00:53:04,233 --> 00:53:07,532 If they don't say something in the interview that they later rely on in cou 949 00:53:07,666 --> 00:53:10,226 then it becomes relevant, or could becom relevant for the jury. 950 00:53:10,367 --> 00:53:13,242 If you've hit something he was really uncomfortable with and he knew he was 951 00:53:13,266 --> 00:53:18,327 then he couldn't face it, he couldn't fa and he couldn't face what was coming at 952 00:53:19,032 --> 00:53:25,132 The only time where he would really enga with us we noticed, was if we showed him 953 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,699 photographs or maps or some sort of document 954 00:53:29,833 --> 00:53:32,402 then we could kind of elicit a response from him. 955 00:53:32,567 --> 00:53:35,126 I remember images being put in front of him 956 00:53:35,467 --> 00:53:37,097 in one session 957 00:53:37,233 --> 00:53:39,003 and him looking away, turning around 958 00:53:39,132 --> 00:53:42,603 looking away from the interviewing team he turned the photographs over 959 00:53:42,967 --> 00:53:47,996 but when the second and third interviews put in and the images were put there aga 960 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,130 and he tried the same tact 961 00:53:50,532 --> 00:53:52,532 the interviewing officer had put them on the back 962 00:53:52,867 --> 00:53:55,166 so as he turns the image over, the image is still there. 963 00:53:55,367 --> 00:53:58,067 It's not about playing tricks, it's abou 964 00:53:58,567 --> 00:54:00,867 'face up to what you've done, this is what you've done' 965 00:54:01,467 --> 00:54:03,666 and he obviously 966 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,829 he's not somebody who could do that. 967 00:54:06,032 --> 00:54:09,373 But he had this rather curious way of doing it where he would talk to us 968 00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:13,570 just every now and then and then realize he was meant to not be saying 969 00:54:13,699 --> 00:54:14,730 anything and say... 970 00:54:21,967 --> 00:54:24,367 Sonia Salvatierra, the Peruvian nanny 971 00:54:24,532 --> 00:54:26,503 was flown over from Lima 972 00:54:26,699 --> 00:54:29,000 and she was taken to do an ID procedure 973 00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:33,266 and despite her confidently saying 'yes recognize him again', she didn't pick hi 974 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,469 That was a major blow to me at the time 975 00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,409 because my confidence was high that she would pick him out of the ID parade 976 00:54:38,432 --> 00:54:40,172 charge him with that assault 977 00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:43,500 and that would be our holding charge to make sure he was in custody. 978 00:54:43,932 --> 00:54:46,172 We had the very real prospect of 979 00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:48,030 having to release him on bail 980 00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:53,000 such was the fear of him within the Metropolitan Police 981 00:54:53,266 --> 00:54:55,697 that there was arrangements in place, if 982 00:54:55,833 --> 00:54:57,572 he had been bailed 983 00:54:57,867 --> 00:55:01,266 he would have been followed by 24/7 surveillance. 984 00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,432 Until there was some reason to take him back into custody again. 985 00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:06,429 While Bellfield was at Heathrow police station 986 00:55:06,567 --> 00:55:11,097 I had two of my officers who were traine liaison officers talking to his partner, 987 00:55:11,233 --> 00:55:14,233 It was clear that she had endured 988 00:55:14,432 --> 00:55:18,032 10 years of a desperately oppressive 989 00:55:18,666 --> 00:55:21,626 coercive and violent relationship with this man 990 00:55:22,032 --> 00:55:24,032 but she was so frightened of him 991 00:55:24,333 --> 00:55:28,032 that she wouldn't do anything about it 'If he locks me in the house 992 00:55:28,367 --> 00:55:30,067 he won't let me go out, so 993 00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:33,929 I can't have my own money, I can't have own phone other than with his number in 994 00:55:34,666 --> 00:55:39,027 And then she talks about how often she h been assaulted and sexually assaulted by 995 00:55:39,532 --> 00:55:41,273 and then told us. 996 00:55:41,432 --> 00:55:44,175 'I'm not the only one, because there wer other women who he's lived with in the p 997 00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,175 and they will tell you that he did the same to them'. 998 00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:48,599 If he was going to go to prison 999 00:55:48,867 --> 00:55:51,266 for a long time or forever 1000 00:55:51,666 --> 00:55:53,266 then this was her chance to escape. 1001 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,869 We had an awful lot of support 1002 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,599 from his ex-partners 1003 00:55:56,733 --> 00:55:58,702 in particular, Emma and Jo. 1004 00:55:59,132 --> 00:56:01,733 Jo gave us a really strong statement abo 1005 00:56:01,867 --> 00:56:03,797 some of the abuse she'd suffered at his hands 1006 00:56:03,932 --> 00:56:06,472 and that gave us a real strength of evidence to 1007 00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,769 charge Bellfield with a variety of offenses but in particular 1008 00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:12,730 serious offenses that would keep him in custody. 1009 00:56:13,367 --> 00:56:16,697 And that provided us nine charges, serious charges 1010 00:56:17,233 --> 00:56:20,632 that eventually were the holding charges against Levi Bellfield. 1011 00:56:20,766 --> 00:56:22,726 Those nine offenses on that indictment 1012 00:56:22,867 --> 00:56:25,626 have never been tried before a court, never will be now. 1013 00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:28,829 It's the mark of the man and his 1014 00:56:29,166 --> 00:56:32,567 kind of level of offending, that something... 1015 00:56:32,699 --> 00:56:36,800 an indictment that would be very serious in any other circumstances 1016 00:56:37,233 --> 00:56:38,402 has just been left on file 1017 00:56:38,532 --> 00:56:41,902 because in the context of what else he's done 1018 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:44,400 it's kind of not as important. 1019 00:56:47,932 --> 00:56:50,072 There is no doubt that Levi Bellfield wa 1020 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:54,300 an intelligent man, not an educated man but he was street smart. 1021 00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:56,369 Where he made a mistake in 1022 00:56:56,500 --> 00:57:00,130 the Amelie Delagrange case was at Twickenham Green. 1023 00:57:00,532 --> 00:57:03,773 He didn't know that just weeks before he had attacked Amelie 1024 00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:07,699 the bus garage at Fullwell had fitted CC to all of its buses 1025 00:57:07,833 --> 00:57:10,202 which recorded onto hard drives rather than tape 1026 00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:12,929 the time stamp on the footage 1027 00:57:13,067 --> 00:57:14,766 was from the atomic clock 1028 00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:18,929 each bus had either six or eight cameras facing inside and outside. 1029 00:57:19,166 --> 00:57:21,726 Both of the roads, either side of Twickenham Green 1030 00:57:21,867 --> 00:57:22,896 had bus routes on them. 1031 00:57:23,032 --> 00:57:25,733 So in plotting what he was doing 1032 00:57:25,932 --> 00:57:27,833 cruising around, hunting in his van 1033 00:57:28,166 --> 00:57:34,197 and plotting how Amelie had walked back from the bus garage to Twickenham Green 1034 00:57:35,099 --> 00:57:36,929 and putting the two together 1035 00:57:37,099 --> 00:57:39,369 and working out for certain that Bellfie 1036 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:42,329 had passed her and probably stopped to speak to her 1037 00:57:42,532 --> 00:57:44,873 all of this CCTV was invaluable. 1038 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,429 We were then able to 1039 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:48,400 spend real time and real resources 1040 00:57:48,532 --> 00:57:51,532 bringing together the other offenses that we think he is involved in. 1041 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,769 The first one was Kate Sheedy. 1042 00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:56,269 It doesn't look quite right 1043 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,570 because it's slightly out of the area an the weapon is a car. 1044 00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:03,130 So, initially we were working out 1045 00:58:03,532 --> 00:58:05,833 'well is it or isn't it potentially one of ours?' 1046 00:58:05,967 --> 00:58:09,496 Kate was able to explain that the vehicl that hit her 1047 00:58:09,666 --> 00:58:11,896 was some kind of people carrier and that it was white. 1048 00:58:12,032 --> 00:58:14,233 Levi Bellfield, who at the time, provabl 1049 00:58:14,367 --> 00:58:16,126 was driving a white. 1050 00:58:16,266 --> 00:58:18,527 Toyota Previa people carrier with blacked out windows. 1051 00:58:18,666 --> 00:58:20,766 So, the vehicle fitted exactly 1052 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:22,730 the description Kate Sheedy had given 1053 00:58:22,867 --> 00:58:24,697 of the vehicle that ran her over. 1054 00:58:24,833 --> 00:58:28,103 We went and retrieved that so we could examine it forensically 1055 00:58:28,233 --> 00:58:31,032 it had been professionally steam cleaned, valeted 1056 00:58:31,166 --> 00:58:32,967 top and bottom, inside and out. 1057 00:58:33,233 --> 00:58:38,532 So, there was no forensic material on th at all to associate it with Kate Sheedy. 1058 00:58:38,666 --> 00:58:42,297 However, what it did have was a defectiv drivers mirror 1059 00:58:42,833 --> 00:58:46,902 and that was something that she had noted on the vehicle that ran her over. 1060 00:58:47,032 --> 00:58:50,432 So, it was pretty likely, we thought, that it was Bellfield's vehicle 1061 00:58:50,567 --> 00:58:53,367 it fitted everything with Kate Sheedy So, I said 'Yes, ok, let's 1062 00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:54,800 we should take that on' 1063 00:58:55,032 --> 00:58:58,873 and that was when we realised that there was a bag of CCTV tape 1064 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,530 from a nearby pub 1065 00:59:00,766 --> 00:59:02,567 that had never been looked at. 1066 00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:05,130 It was a simple error 1067 00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:09,202 human error from the original investigating team in Hounslow borough. 1068 00:59:09,333 --> 00:59:11,902 Although CCTV had been recovered by local police 1069 00:59:12,266 --> 00:59:13,896 they hadn't got the resources to view it 1070 00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:15,769 in as much detail as us. 1071 00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:19,230 Two lots of tapes had been seized 1072 00:59:19,666 --> 00:59:21,266 because the offense was just near midnig 1073 00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,000 and it was a bit confusing what days tap they needed 1074 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,329 and somebody had viewed one but not realised there was a second bag. 1075 00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:30,170 When we opened that bag and put it in the machine 1076 00:59:30,467 --> 00:59:32,367 we could see the Toyota Previa 1077 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,300 driving, stalking the bus on which Kate Sheedy was riding. 1078 00:59:37,432 --> 00:59:39,472 As the bus pulled in to let her off 1079 00:59:39,733 --> 00:59:42,472 the Previa overtakes it and parks in front of it. 1080 00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:47,230 What the CCTV does is tell him exactly what it is and it was a Toyota Previa. 1081 00:59:47,367 --> 00:59:49,197 A Toyota Previa that was white 1082 00:59:49,567 --> 00:59:51,126 had unique features about it. 1083 00:59:52,099 --> 00:59:53,500 We see the Previa 1084 00:59:53,632 --> 00:59:56,202 going in the other direction, back past the pub on the CCTV. 1085 00:59:56,733 --> 00:59:58,032 We can't get a number plate 1086 00:59:58,166 --> 01:00:00,666 it's dark and it's not particularly good footage 1087 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,670 but what we can see is that there is a mark 1088 01:00:05,132 --> 01:00:07,802 an irregular shaped sort of stain 1089 01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:11,769 by the petrol filler as the Previa drives away 1090 01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:13,269 after the attack. 1091 01:00:13,532 --> 01:00:15,132 Then I look at the photographs 1092 01:00:15,266 --> 01:00:18,226 the good quality photographs we've taken of the Previa we've seized 1093 01:00:18,833 --> 01:00:20,172 and there's that stain visible. 1094 01:00:20,766 --> 01:00:24,266 It kind of corresponded so much that we could get expert 1095 01:00:24,733 --> 01:00:26,432 video analysis done to say 1096 01:00:26,733 --> 01:00:28,373 'yes, that's the same vehicle'. 1097 01:00:28,833 --> 01:00:35,873 I realised immediately that had that CCT been viewed immediately after Kate's ass 1098 01:00:36,766 --> 01:00:39,697 Levi Bellfield's name would have come ou of the official inquiries. 1099 01:00:41,967 --> 01:00:44,626 Just a few days before Kate was run over 1100 01:00:44,932 --> 01:00:47,233 he was arrested for a what he described as a prank 1101 01:00:47,367 --> 01:00:50,467 where he'd kidnapped a pub landlord it never went anywhere 1102 01:00:50,833 --> 01:00:52,532 but the intelligence report was there. 1103 01:00:52,733 --> 01:00:55,172 So, as soon as somebody saw that CCTV 1104 01:00:55,367 --> 01:00:57,266 somebody would've identified it as the Previa 1105 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,530 very distinctive vehicle, then we'd go to the intelligence computer 1106 01:01:00,766 --> 01:01:02,766 and Levi Bellfield's name would've popped out. 1107 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,670 One of the lines of inquiry that we went down 1108 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,429 involved a mobile phone that was in the possession of. 1109 01:01:11,699 --> 01:01:13,429 Bellfield's 16-year-old girlfriend. 1110 01:01:13,632 --> 01:01:17,902 She and her 14-year-old-sister were in the flat that Bellfield 1111 01:01:18,032 --> 01:01:20,972 had sort of illegally sub-rented from somebody else 1112 01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:24,599 and they were taking lots and lots of clips of themselves doing things 1113 01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:27,570 while they were getting drunk, dancing and this sort of thing. 1114 01:01:28,266 --> 01:01:31,266 About 1 o'clock in the morning, Bellfiel comes into the flat 1115 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,730 and the girls take a video of him. 1116 01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:36,869 He's wearing an outdoor coat/jacket 1117 01:01:37,132 --> 01:01:40,172 and what he does is he comes in and he finds a torch 1118 01:01:40,833 --> 01:01:42,833 and he picks it up and switches it on 1119 01:01:43,067 --> 01:01:47,266 and you see his face illuminate, he's ch see if it works switches it off again an 1120 01:01:47,432 --> 01:01:49,672 But the significance of this is that 1121 01:01:50,666 --> 01:01:52,597 just 40 minutes before. 1122 01:01:53,132 --> 01:01:57,233 Kate Sheedy had been run over by a Previ 1123 01:01:57,467 --> 01:01:58,967 What this very much looked like 1124 01:01:59,099 --> 01:02:01,769 was somebody coming in, getting a torch 1125 01:02:02,032 --> 01:02:04,932 because they wanted to go back out and check their vehicle 1126 01:02:05,333 --> 01:02:07,172 to see if there was any damage. 1127 01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:10,500 It certainly showed that Bellfield could he was in the flat at the time it happen 1128 01:02:10,567 --> 01:02:15,626 The problem we've got is that we know th the time stamp on the video is questiona 1129 01:02:15,766 --> 01:02:18,166 it depends on how the phone was set up and there was some 1130 01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:21,199 sound in the back ground and it sounded like it was music 1131 01:02:21,367 --> 01:02:22,996 somebody on the team said 1132 01:02:23,567 --> 01:02:26,967 'that's not a pop song, that's a theme song it's wheel of fortune' 1133 01:02:28,233 --> 01:02:31,873 so, what we were then able to do was go back to that broadcaster 1134 01:02:32,233 --> 01:02:34,273 and say, 'can you help us at all?' 1135 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,929 and they were able to look at their records and give us a really accurate 1136 01:02:38,067 --> 01:02:41,527 to the second, time when they thought that clip had been recorded. 1137 01:02:41,967 --> 01:02:45,126 Now, we can't say for certain that he would have been charged 1138 01:02:45,266 --> 01:02:46,867 with trying to murder Kate 1139 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,769 but obviously there is a strong possibility 1140 01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:51,429 that he wouldn't have been free to murde Amelie Delagrange. 1141 01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:08,170 I know that Colin 1142 01:03:08,467 --> 01:03:09,766 became quite close with. 1143 01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:12,230 Amelie Delagrange's parents. 1144 01:03:12,567 --> 01:03:14,496 He described them as being 1145 01:03:14,699 --> 01:03:17,170 very humble and they were very 1146 01:03:17,432 --> 01:03:20,733 respectful of the police and the investigation and 1147 01:03:20,867 --> 01:03:23,097 understood that everyone was doing their best 1148 01:03:23,567 --> 01:03:26,097 in awful circumstances for them. 1149 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,429 The only thing I thought I could do 1150 01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:30,869 was to go and see. 1151 01:03:31,432 --> 01:03:35,032 Amelie's parents, and apologize on behalf of 1152 01:03:35,467 --> 01:03:41,197 my organization, my colleagues that had let them down. 1153 01:03:41,699 --> 01:03:43,630 And it was obviously going to be a very personal 1154 01:03:44,166 --> 01:03:47,996 and a kind of emotional conversation but nevertheless 1155 01:03:48,132 --> 01:03:49,603 one that I knew had to be done. 1156 01:03:49,733 --> 01:03:55,672 I explained all the situation about Kate the situation with the CCTV. 1157 01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,599 I said, 'look, you do understand what this means? We should have had him 1158 01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:04,869 in custody at some time before Amelie was murdered' 1159 01:04:05,967 --> 01:04:09,666 and they said, 'yes, of course we understand we know that 1160 01:04:11,132 --> 01:04:12,503 thank you for telling us 1161 01:04:13,432 --> 01:04:15,809 we thought that you had been honest with us all the way through this 1162 01:04:15,833 --> 01:04:17,672 and this proves to us that you are 1163 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,170 what has happened has happened we cannot change the past. 1164 01:04:21,632 --> 01:04:24,733 It's sad, we'd like to change it, but we know we can't 1165 01:04:25,532 --> 01:04:28,132 now will you 3 come back to dinner with us tonight here?'. 1166 01:04:28,967 --> 01:04:34,297 And that was it, you know, it was just the most unexpectedly 1167 01:04:34,666 --> 01:04:38,766 generous but dignified and honorable 1168 01:04:40,067 --> 01:04:42,827 mature approach to what had happened. 1169 01:04:48,766 --> 01:04:50,367 The next case to look at really 1170 01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:52,230 was that of Marsha McDonnell. 1171 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,369 There was one line of inquiry that wasn't resolved 1172 01:04:54,500 --> 01:04:56,469 then yes, again, it was CCTV 1173 01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:59,969 and the bus on which Marsha had gone hom 1174 01:05:00,099 --> 01:05:03,329 and which she had got off of a couple of minutes before she was attacked. 1175 01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:05,429 We looked at that and 1176 01:05:05,567 --> 01:05:09,797 from the outside camera we could see that coming towards her was a car 1177 01:05:09,932 --> 01:05:14,472 two seconds after Marsha had gone throug the doors to get off the bus. 1178 01:05:15,367 --> 01:05:16,766 Then, by using the 1179 01:05:17,233 --> 01:05:21,333 inside cameras on the top deck but looking out through the windows 1180 01:05:21,632 --> 01:05:23,503 we could see what that car did. 1181 01:05:23,967 --> 01:05:25,967 What it did was it stopped 1182 01:05:26,099 --> 01:05:30,199 slowed down and then stopped in the crossroads behind the bus. 1183 01:05:31,067 --> 01:05:33,266 Marsha is walking in that direction too 1184 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,869 but the important thing about it was 1185 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,969 that from the front view 1186 01:05:37,266 --> 01:05:41,967 we could almost see a number plate it was we could almost see a few characters 1187 01:05:42,099 --> 01:05:46,170 popping out a bit, but there was no doub that the car was a Vauxhall Corsa. 1188 01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:47,672 And one of his vehicles 1189 01:05:47,833 --> 01:05:50,802 one he actually bought on finance was a silver Vauxhall Corsa. 1190 01:05:51,166 --> 01:05:53,297 Trying to prove that 1191 01:05:53,432 --> 01:05:57,733 particular Corsa was his Vauxhall Corsa was very difficult. 1192 01:05:57,932 --> 01:06:01,632 The combination of numbers and letters on the number plate 1193 01:06:01,766 --> 01:06:05,567 of this vehicle that could be seen and what the experts told us they might be 1194 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,670 initially gave us over 600 thousand possible combinations 1195 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,429 a lot of those possible registrations weren't on Corsa's 1196 01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:16,969 they were on completely different vehicl write all them off. 1197 01:06:17,099 --> 01:06:20,300 I said as soon as we get it down to 200 or lower 1198 01:06:20,432 --> 01:06:23,233 we can go through them and start eliminating. 1199 01:06:23,532 --> 01:06:27,833 And that's what we did, it took us a lit time but eventually, we got those all el 1200 01:06:28,132 --> 01:06:30,402 Look at the index of that silver Vauxhall Corsa 1201 01:06:30,532 --> 01:06:32,773 apply that to the Marsha McDonnell case 1202 01:06:33,166 --> 01:06:34,367 and there he is. 1203 01:06:34,666 --> 01:06:40,166 So, you've now got three separate murderous attacks on young women 1204 01:06:41,233 --> 01:06:42,972 three vehicles involved 1205 01:06:43,766 --> 01:06:49,226 and each of those vehicles at the time i identical to one owned by Levi Bellfield 1206 01:06:49,432 --> 01:06:53,032 There is an old, much used phrase that Detectives don't like coincidences 1207 01:06:53,867 --> 01:06:56,126 and this certainly wasn't looking like coincidence. 1208 01:06:59,233 --> 01:07:00,773 I was in a position where 1209 01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:04,969 I thought we had a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to Levi Bellfield 1210 01:07:05,166 --> 01:07:08,896 but that we could get more from his friends and acquaintances. 1211 01:07:09,099 --> 01:07:12,329 If first they thought he wasn't going to come and beat them up 1212 01:07:12,467 --> 01:07:15,097 in other words, if he was going to go to prison and not be able to 1213 01:07:15,367 --> 01:07:17,367 and secondly, if they understood 1214 01:07:17,632 --> 01:07:19,603 just how much evidence we really had. 1215 01:07:20,032 --> 01:07:23,572 I came up with the idea of using the vehicle of BBC Crimewatch. 1216 01:07:23,699 --> 01:07:25,030 I'd been on there 1217 01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:26,400 with other cases a few times 1218 01:07:26,532 --> 01:07:28,052 and I knew the guy that was the editor 1219 01:07:28,132 --> 01:07:30,208 and I was just honest with him. I phoned him up and said, 'look 1220 01:07:30,233 --> 01:07:34,003 I want to come on for an appeal about the murders in South-West London 1221 01:07:34,367 --> 01:07:35,597 asking for information about 1222 01:07:35,733 --> 01:07:37,233 two or three vehicles. 1223 01:07:37,367 --> 01:07:39,467 What I need is for the public to understand 1224 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:44,329 that we know who was driving it, we've g vehicles and we know these vehicles were 1225 01:07:44,567 --> 01:07:47,197 because that will make them realize 1226 01:07:47,699 --> 01:07:51,230 that it's our man and come forward and give evidence'. 1227 01:07:52,032 --> 01:07:53,802 And so, we went on to Crimewatch 1228 01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:57,869 and we showed these pictures of the Prev and the Corsa and the white. 1229 01:07:58,067 --> 01:07:59,226 Courier van 1230 01:07:59,367 --> 01:08:01,797 and suddenly witnesses started to come forward 1231 01:08:01,932 --> 01:08:03,432 as a result of that. 1232 01:08:03,567 --> 01:08:06,666 There's a man called Richard Hughes he was more a friend of Levi's partner 1233 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:07,929 than Levi himself. 1234 01:08:08,067 --> 01:08:09,996 He told us about him modifying the white van 1235 01:08:10,132 --> 01:08:13,932 so that they couldn't be seen through and then cutting a little spy hole 1236 01:08:14,166 --> 01:08:16,296 and he could sit in the back 1237 01:08:16,533 --> 01:08:17,672 and spy out. 1238 01:08:17,832 --> 01:08:19,903 He talks about a blood-stained shirt 1239 01:08:20,033 --> 01:08:23,832 that Bellfield had soon after the disappearance of Milly Dowler. 1240 01:08:23,966 --> 01:08:25,167 Bellfield said things 1241 01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:27,430 shortly after Marsha's murder, for examp 1242 01:08:27,832 --> 01:08:31,103 'you don't know what I've done' and things like this. 1243 01:08:31,233 --> 01:08:33,802 So, he was kind of a really important witness 1244 01:08:33,932 --> 01:08:37,802 that had been close to Bellfield and was to give us lots of little bits of inform 1245 01:08:37,932 --> 01:08:39,502 There was Joe Ryan, who 1246 01:08:39,632 --> 01:08:41,233 was another acquaintance of Bellfield's 1247 01:08:41,367 --> 01:08:43,226 he'd helped him out with wheel clamping. 1248 01:08:43,367 --> 01:08:48,067 He told us about Bellfield hitting a kerb with the front nearside wheel 1249 01:08:48,533 --> 01:08:52,132 and because the van at that time had alloy wheels on it it damaged it so much 1250 01:08:52,466 --> 01:08:53,867 that he had to put a steel 1251 01:08:54,033 --> 01:08:57,733 black wheel on and that was very visible in the CCTV. 1252 01:08:58,132 --> 01:08:59,672 He also told us about 1253 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,399 the headlights and how the headlight bul 1254 01:09:02,533 --> 01:09:05,472 had gone out on the near side and Bellfield had 1255 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,899 got some old headlights from a Ford Esco in his garden at the house. 1256 01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:11,930 When we searched Bellfield's house we found this. 1257 01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:14,800 Ford Escort headlight with the bulbs missing in the garden 1258 01:09:14,932 --> 01:09:16,903 so it corroborated Joe Ryan's story. 1259 01:09:17,033 --> 01:09:20,073 The other man that came forward that was really important as a result of this 1260 01:09:20,167 --> 01:09:21,443 was a guy called Simon Redstone. 1261 01:09:21,466 --> 01:09:23,827 He remembers cycling home 1262 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,670 at about 10 o'clock, quarter past 10 the night that Amelie was murdered 1263 01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:29,697 and his statement said 1264 01:09:29,832 --> 01:09:31,832 'he was overtaken by a little white van 1265 01:09:31,966 --> 01:09:33,766 being driven at crazy speed' 1266 01:09:33,932 --> 01:09:37,603 and he kind of tried to memorize the num although he hadn't got it completely cor 1267 01:09:37,733 --> 01:09:39,632 he'd got enough digits 1268 01:09:39,766 --> 01:09:44,127 accurately to show that it must have bee Bellfield's van that he was talking abou 1269 01:09:44,266 --> 01:09:46,266 Indeed, when we then went back to 1270 01:09:46,667 --> 01:09:50,997 static CCTV from the Loch Fyne restauran in Hampton Road 1271 01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:55,399 we saw Bellfield's van go past and then sort of two frames later 1272 01:09:56,367 --> 01:09:59,726 there is Simon Redstone on his bike so that corroborated that as well. 1273 01:10:01,867 --> 01:10:03,497 We were now able to 1274 01:10:03,699 --> 01:10:06,770 over-lay the path that we knew Amelie 1275 01:10:06,899 --> 01:10:10,130 had taken back from the bus garage to Twickenham Green 1276 01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:12,670 with the movements of Bellfield's white van. 1277 01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:14,930 What that showed 1278 01:10:15,067 --> 01:10:19,197 was that as Amelie was walking back up Hampton Road towards Twickenham Green. 1279 01:10:19,733 --> 01:10:21,573 Bellfield at first was behind her. 1280 01:10:22,332 --> 01:10:26,703 He came out of this side road, I think i Fourth Cross Road and turned left into H 1281 01:10:27,266 --> 01:10:32,396 and the footage from cameras on buses show Amelie walking along 1282 01:10:32,733 --> 01:10:35,472 and then the van being behind her. 1283 01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:38,500 Then right up near the green 1284 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:41,630 virtually the last footage that we get 1285 01:10:43,167 --> 01:10:47,197 there is a change and the van is 62 seconds ahead of Amelie. 1286 01:10:47,332 --> 01:10:52,302 Amelie is on the pavement and the van ha past 62 seconds or a minute in front of 1287 01:10:53,533 --> 01:10:56,632 But then when we look at Amelie's pace 1288 01:10:57,300 --> 01:10:59,130 she seems to have slowed down at that point 1289 01:11:00,266 --> 01:11:04,367 and that is exactly the time when the va would have overtaken her. 1290 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,430 What we deduced from that 1291 01:11:06,567 --> 01:11:09,197 is she didn't actually slow down her walking 1292 01:11:09,367 --> 01:11:11,197 she was stationary for some while. 1293 01:11:11,432 --> 01:11:15,172 And she was stationary because Levi Bellfield was also stationary at that po 1294 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,600 propositioning her from the window of his van. 1295 01:11:19,332 --> 01:11:23,073 That fits in with what we think we know about why he committed these blitz attac 1296 01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:26,329 that he would proposition a woman 1297 01:11:26,466 --> 01:11:31,766 she would decline, and he would then be triggered by that and go out and assault 1298 01:11:31,899 --> 01:11:35,699 So, what we have not got is reliable evidence that Bellfield 1299 01:11:35,832 --> 01:11:40,002 had this white van, what we need then to do is to be able to prove 1300 01:11:40,367 --> 01:11:43,497 that it was him driving it on the night that Amelie was murdered. 1301 01:11:43,932 --> 01:11:46,332 One of the difficulties was that the sce 1302 01:11:46,466 --> 01:11:48,466 itself on Twickenham Green 1303 01:11:48,699 --> 01:11:52,130 we had not managed to get any forensic evidence no weapons been found 1304 01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:54,100 the vehicle hadn't been recovered. 1305 01:11:54,432 --> 01:11:56,472 Not for the only time in this investigation. 1306 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,729 Bellfield's partner, Emma, came up trumps for us. 1307 01:11:59,932 --> 01:12:01,603 Emma Mills remembered 1308 01:12:01,733 --> 01:12:05,372 the night that Amelie Delagrange was murdered quite vividly. 1309 01:12:06,132 --> 01:12:08,273 The plan was that he was to pick her up 1310 01:12:08,432 --> 01:12:10,603 so she could go shopping in Tesco's 1311 01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:13,300 but he was late, and he didn't turn up at home 1312 01:12:13,432 --> 01:12:15,773 so she phoned for a minicab and came here in that. 1313 01:12:16,067 --> 01:12:18,327 When Bellfield got home and found that she wasn't there 1314 01:12:18,533 --> 01:12:21,432 he phoned her and asked her where she wa and she explained 1315 01:12:21,699 --> 01:12:23,430 he said, 'I'll come up and meet you'. 1316 01:12:23,667 --> 01:12:26,096 An important thing is that he came up to meet her 1317 01:12:26,233 --> 01:12:28,002 in a white ford courier van. 1318 01:12:28,132 --> 01:12:29,372 He drives to Hayes 1319 01:12:29,632 --> 01:12:31,073 goes and meets her in Tesco 1320 01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:34,470 he takes the two older children across the road to Toys'R'Us. 1321 01:12:34,966 --> 01:12:37,027 And there is a few phone calls 1322 01:12:37,167 --> 01:12:38,926 between Bellfield and Emma at the time. 1323 01:12:39,067 --> 01:12:42,096 That's important because it gives us a time stamp and it gives us the fact 1324 01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:43,800 that we know the number 1325 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,829 which of his mobile phones that Bellfiel was using on that night. 1326 01:12:47,699 --> 01:12:49,600 Emma then told us they left here 1327 01:12:49,733 --> 01:12:51,773 in the white Ford Courier van 1328 01:12:51,899 --> 01:12:55,170 and went home to Little Benty arriving there just after 9 o'clock. 1329 01:12:56,033 --> 01:12:59,502 She said Bellfield had reversed up the drive, hadn't even gotten out of the van 1330 01:12:59,699 --> 01:13:02,140 he left her to unload all the shopping and the three children. 1331 01:13:02,266 --> 01:13:04,067 As soon as the shopping is out of the va 1332 01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:08,100 Bellfield drives off, Emma tells us that it's about 10 past 9 now. 1333 01:13:09,067 --> 01:13:10,627 A short time after he had driven off 1334 01:13:10,766 --> 01:13:12,966 she realised that she had forgotten some milk 1335 01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:15,699 and wanted to call him to see if he coul bring some in. 1336 01:13:16,067 --> 01:13:17,766 Looking at Bellfield's mobile phone usag 1337 01:13:17,899 --> 01:13:20,729 when he knows he is going to commit a crime he switches his phone off. 1338 01:13:20,867 --> 01:13:22,527 He made a mistake on this occasion 1339 01:13:22,667 --> 01:13:24,426 because that call from Emma 1340 01:13:24,567 --> 01:13:27,867 to him about the milk hit his phone. 1341 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,770 It only rang once and went to voicemail. 1342 01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:34,899 But that one ring meant that the call had hit the mast where his phone was 1343 01:13:35,132 --> 01:13:37,672 and that mast was the one that served Twickenham Green. 1344 01:13:38,067 --> 01:13:40,396 So, that story from Emma gave us. 1345 01:13:40,533 --> 01:13:42,733 Bellfield in the white Courier van 1346 01:13:43,233 --> 01:13:45,372 with his own mobile phone in his hand 1347 01:13:45,932 --> 01:13:47,632 and in the area of Twickenham Green 1348 01:13:47,832 --> 01:13:50,073 it was to be a crucial piece of evidence 1349 01:13:50,266 --> 01:13:53,067 I can just imagine, he's sitting in a van, he hears the phone ringing 1350 01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:54,699 and he thinks 'I'll turn it off' 1351 01:13:54,932 --> 01:13:57,972 and he grabs it and pulls the battery or switches it off. 1352 01:13:58,699 --> 01:14:00,270 But that one ring was enough 1353 01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:02,699 to leave a trace on the local mast 1354 01:14:02,832 --> 01:14:06,033 we kind of proving that he was the one driving the white van. 1355 01:14:06,699 --> 01:14:10,270 The CPS asked us to just try and firm Emma's evidence up 1356 01:14:10,466 --> 01:14:12,527 she'd paid cash for her shopping 1357 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:14,699 but what my officers did 1358 01:14:14,832 --> 01:14:18,103 and it was a fantastic and spontaneous piece of investigative work by them 1359 01:14:18,699 --> 01:14:20,800 they asked Emma to list what she bought. 1360 01:14:20,932 --> 01:14:24,672 They came here to Tesco, they asked the manager if they had copy till rolls 1361 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,300 they found her receipt 1362 01:14:26,432 --> 01:14:28,932 and of course it had a date and time stamp on it 1363 01:14:29,132 --> 01:14:31,502 and it proved her story was correct. 1364 01:14:31,867 --> 01:14:33,497 So, that was a really 1365 01:14:33,632 --> 01:14:35,802 crucial part of the evidence in fact 1366 01:14:35,932 --> 01:14:39,672 it was the clinching part of the evidenc as far as the crown prosecution service 1367 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,029 concerned and when we managed to prove all that to their satisfaction 1368 01:14:43,432 --> 01:14:46,632 that they authorized the murder charge in respect of Amelie. 1369 01:14:50,733 --> 01:14:54,703 It was back in November 2004 that... 1370 01:14:55,266 --> 01:14:58,966 when I first identified Levi Bellfield really that I saw 1371 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,500 how close he lived to 1372 01:15:02,067 --> 01:15:04,306 where Milly Dowler was last seen before she was abducted. 1373 01:15:04,367 --> 01:15:07,627 In my phone I still had the mobile numbe for Brian Marjoram 1374 01:15:07,832 --> 01:15:11,332 he was the senior investigating officer for the Milly Dowler investigation 1375 01:15:11,567 --> 01:15:12,697 in Surrey. 1376 01:15:12,832 --> 01:15:15,472 I told him all that we knew about Levi Bellfield 1377 01:15:16,167 --> 01:15:17,627 and where he was living at the time. 1378 01:15:17,867 --> 01:15:19,596 I'll never forget his reply, it was 1379 01:15:20,300 --> 01:15:22,076 'the hairs on my neck are standing up, Colin'. 1380 01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:24,670 What I found surprising was that kind of... there was 1381 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,229 a degree of inertia within Surrey police in taking up. 1382 01:15:28,432 --> 01:15:30,233 Levi Bellfield as their suspect 1383 01:15:30,367 --> 01:15:32,266 they didn't feel that they were in a position 1384 01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:35,170 to drop everything they were doing and look at this man instead. 1385 01:15:35,733 --> 01:15:38,252 And what they sort of said was, 'we'll put him on the backburner 1386 01:15:38,367 --> 01:15:41,966 and carry on with what we're doing and i does nothing we'll have a look at Bellfi 1387 01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:44,170 Eventually what happened was that 1388 01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:47,600 a new senior investigating officer took over in Surrey. 1389 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,300 I went down there with Jo Brunt. 1390 01:15:49,632 --> 01:15:51,132 We had a meeting 1391 01:15:51,266 --> 01:15:53,127 at Surrey headquarters and we... 1392 01:15:53,266 --> 01:15:55,426 well Colin put to them that we think. 1393 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,970 Levi Bellfield was a very good suspect 1394 01:15:58,332 --> 01:15:59,802 in the case of Milly Dowler. 1395 01:15:59,932 --> 01:16:01,802 We'd already muted it and 1396 01:16:01,932 --> 01:16:04,773 been stone walled about it, basically. 1397 01:16:04,899 --> 01:16:07,500 They showed me a still from the CCTV 1398 01:16:07,632 --> 01:16:12,403 it's of a red car that they thought was 2 Vauxhall Astra it was actually a Daewo 1399 01:16:12,533 --> 01:16:14,332 turning left out of the 1400 01:16:14,466 --> 01:16:17,827 road that led to where Bellfield's and Emma's flat was. 1401 01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:19,930 I kind of said, 'yeah that's Emma's car 1402 01:16:20,067 --> 01:16:21,697 that's the car he was driving that day 1403 01:16:21,832 --> 01:16:25,773 it was a Daewoo, it's the only red one registered in the whole of Surrey. 1404 01:16:27,466 --> 01:16:29,167 Not a very common car at all'. 1405 01:16:29,567 --> 01:16:30,886 They just wouldn't want to listen 1406 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,199 they didn't want to listen and eventuall Colin said 1407 01:16:33,332 --> 01:16:37,573 'can I just ask, why don't you want to solve the case of Millie Dowler?' 1408 01:16:37,867 --> 01:16:40,896 at which point they erupted 1409 01:16:41,132 --> 01:16:42,773 and Colin walked out of the room. 1410 01:16:42,899 --> 01:16:44,130 With hindsight, obviously 1411 01:16:44,266 --> 01:16:46,367 going to be a red rag to a bull to any investigator. 1412 01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:49,770 I said, 'well, what I don't understand is why you don't want to solve this' 1413 01:16:49,932 --> 01:16:53,472 and the reaction I got was the reaction that comment deserved 1414 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,729 which was indignation. 1415 01:16:56,233 --> 01:16:59,273 It was quite forceful indignation by the super-intendant. 1416 01:17:00,899 --> 01:17:03,970 We established that in March 2002. 1417 01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:07,100 Emma Mills, Levi Bellfield's long-term partner 1418 01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:09,899 was living in this ground floor flat her 1419 01:17:10,167 --> 01:17:12,567 She'd moved here because of all the domestic violence at home 1420 01:17:12,632 --> 01:17:16,802 she'd split up with him, but he'd persuaded her to take him back. 1421 01:17:17,466 --> 01:17:22,726 She wasn't at that time staying in the f was house sitting for a friend in West D 1422 01:17:24,567 --> 01:17:27,726 But when Bellfield came to that house on the evening that Milly was abducted. 1423 01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:31,069 Emma knew that he'd been to the flat in Walton. 1424 01:17:31,667 --> 01:17:34,096 Because he was wearing clothes he'd changed his clothes 1425 01:17:34,332 --> 01:17:36,432 and she knew the clothes he was wearing 1426 01:17:36,632 --> 01:17:38,832 were from the wardrobe of the Walton fla 1427 01:17:39,899 --> 01:17:41,270 He also had the keys 1428 01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:44,970 to this flat because he was driving Emma's red Daewoo car 1429 01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:47,399 and the keys to the flat were on the same keyring. 1430 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,229 When Bellfield drove that car from here 1431 01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:52,729 drove away, was Milly inside it? 1432 01:17:53,567 --> 01:17:55,226 We don't know, we can't tell. 1433 01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:59,000 20 minutes after Milly Dowler was last seen 1434 01:17:59,167 --> 01:18:01,867 to when her remains were found six months later 1435 01:18:02,699 --> 01:18:03,869 we have no idea 1436 01:18:04,266 --> 01:18:07,127 of the timeline, we don't know what happened and in what order. 1437 01:18:07,832 --> 01:18:08,972 All we can say 1438 01:18:09,266 --> 01:18:11,896 is that Levi Bellfield was exactly here 1439 01:18:12,167 --> 01:18:14,997 on this spot at the time that she was abducted. 1440 01:18:15,367 --> 01:18:18,396 We don't know whether he abducted her by force 1441 01:18:18,766 --> 01:18:22,966 or whether he used charm or persuasion 1442 01:18:23,332 --> 01:18:24,932 to get her to come with him. 1443 01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:26,829 What we do know 1444 01:18:27,100 --> 01:18:30,369 is that while Emma was away house sitting for a friend. 1445 01:18:31,367 --> 01:18:33,926 Bellfield was using her flat 1446 01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:36,829 as a base for his depraved activities. 1447 01:18:37,466 --> 01:18:40,596 It's quite sad that there is this friction between 1448 01:18:40,966 --> 01:18:43,896 police services, police forces, the Met 1449 01:18:44,033 --> 01:18:48,033 I mean we should all be in it together a we should be working 1450 01:18:48,332 --> 01:18:51,632 for the same cause and sometimes I didn't find that it was 1451 01:18:52,033 --> 01:18:54,603 like that with other forces that we dealt with. 1452 01:18:54,966 --> 01:18:58,766 It was tragic obviously that they didn't find that 1453 01:18:58,932 --> 01:19:00,403 clip with the red Daewoo 1454 01:19:00,567 --> 01:19:03,766 and it took them quite a while to even acknowledge that. 1455 01:19:05,832 --> 01:19:06,972 I think the real mistake 1456 01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:09,100 was made when they visited. 1457 01:19:09,233 --> 01:19:10,972 Emma Mills's flat 1458 01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:12,970 during that week when Milly went missing 1459 01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:14,800 and there was no response from the flat 1460 01:19:14,932 --> 01:19:18,002 but it was a loose end that wasn't sewn up. 1461 01:19:18,167 --> 01:19:19,596 They were sending officers 1462 01:19:19,899 --> 01:19:22,029 to reported sightings all over the count 1463 01:19:22,167 --> 01:19:26,766 and yet didn't get the house to house inquiries completed nearby. 1464 01:19:26,899 --> 01:19:29,800 The results from the consequences of that were tragic 1465 01:19:29,932 --> 01:19:34,002 because from 2002, March 2002 1466 01:19:34,533 --> 01:19:36,932 the following year, Bellfield killed Marsha. 1467 01:19:37,632 --> 01:19:40,733 He left Kate Sheedy within 1468 01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:42,869 an inch of death 1469 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,069 and then finally murdered Amelie Delagrange. 1470 01:19:47,867 --> 01:19:49,327 Later that evening I'm at home 1471 01:19:49,466 --> 01:19:52,396 and my wife then worked for Surrey Polic 1472 01:19:52,533 --> 01:19:55,009 she said, 'the super-intendant has asked for your phone number' 1473 01:19:55,033 --> 01:19:56,903 my mobile rings and he says 1474 01:19:57,233 --> 01:20:01,103 'you know, I've had a think about what y and I think you're right, we are on boar 1475 01:20:01,699 --> 01:20:03,130 He's our number 1 now.' 1476 01:20:08,533 --> 01:20:11,302 18 months after Amelie Delagrange was murdered 1477 01:20:11,432 --> 01:20:14,132 in March 2006 we were finally able 1478 01:20:14,266 --> 01:20:16,867 to charge Levi Bellfield with her murder 1479 01:20:17,167 --> 01:20:18,827 I read the charges out to him 1480 01:20:20,067 --> 01:20:23,027 he was charged that he had murdered Amelie Delagrange 1481 01:20:23,399 --> 01:20:26,170 that he had attempted to murder Kate Sheedy 1482 01:20:26,699 --> 01:20:29,630 and that he had abducted Anna Maria Renn 1483 01:20:30,167 --> 01:20:33,396 and that he had attempted to murder Irma Dragoshi. 1484 01:20:34,367 --> 01:20:40,127 In May 2006, he was charged with murderi Marsha McDonnell. 1485 01:20:41,733 --> 01:20:43,932 I was looking directly into his eyes 1486 01:20:44,067 --> 01:20:47,197 they were just cold black he had no emotion 1487 01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:48,630 but I could tell 1488 01:20:48,899 --> 01:20:50,470 that he hated me at that moment and 1489 01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,430 I quite enjoyed being hated. 1490 01:20:52,567 --> 01:20:57,367 Because he knew that if he got convicted that he wouldn't see the light of day ag 1491 01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:00,100 But we knew at that point, there is still a long way to go. 1492 01:21:00,233 --> 01:21:02,132 You know in major crime 1493 01:21:02,266 --> 01:21:06,226 that charging and getting someone in custody is almost step one 1494 01:21:06,733 --> 01:21:08,773 from that point on, proving it 1495 01:21:08,966 --> 01:21:11,867 we had a lot of work to do to pull the offenses together 1496 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,529 join away cases up and get enough of a case to make sure 1497 01:21:15,667 --> 01:21:17,627 he would get found guilty. 1498 01:21:22,567 --> 01:21:23,627 The trial 1499 01:21:23,832 --> 01:21:25,802 started on the 1st of October 1500 01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:28,470 but the first two weeks virtually was spent up 1501 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,130 choosing a jury 1502 01:21:30,266 --> 01:21:33,143 where you don't have forensic evidence, where you haven't got a DNA profile 1503 01:21:33,167 --> 01:21:35,027 or fingerprints or something like that 1504 01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:37,029 there is always the chance that 1505 01:21:37,567 --> 01:21:39,796 the jury will say, 'you haven't proved this'. 1506 01:21:39,932 --> 01:21:42,802 I'm somebody who has spent quite a lot of my life 1507 01:21:42,932 --> 01:21:44,502 around courts and 1508 01:21:44,632 --> 01:21:48,872 to be honest I quite enjoy the theater and the drama of a court trial 1509 01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:51,100 but this time 1510 01:21:51,233 --> 01:21:53,703 the stakes were really high. This was something 1511 01:21:53,832 --> 01:21:56,773 I'd put a lot of time and effort into, all my team 1512 01:21:56,899 --> 01:21:59,029 had put an awful lot of time and effort in to. 1513 01:21:59,632 --> 01:22:03,002 Amelie Delagrange's parents were there for the entire trial 1514 01:22:03,132 --> 01:22:06,432 other families were here as and when it was relevant to them 1515 01:22:06,699 --> 01:22:09,430 and also we had the victims whose cases 1516 01:22:09,766 --> 01:22:12,667 we couldn't charge because there wasn't any evidence but nevertheless 1517 01:22:12,899 --> 01:22:15,130 they came along, they wanted to see justice done. 1518 01:22:15,266 --> 01:22:18,827 I guess the victims and the victims families the thing that I would say 1519 01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:20,670 overall to describe them 1520 01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,029 is just the dignified way in which they conducted themselves throughout. 1521 01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:27,000 And that was in stark contrast to 1522 01:22:27,533 --> 01:22:28,932 the sneering 1523 01:22:29,067 --> 01:22:31,197 and damn right offensive way 1524 01:22:31,367 --> 01:22:34,596 that Bellfield sometimes conducted himse during that trial. 1525 01:22:34,733 --> 01:22:36,103 He came across as 1526 01:22:36,233 --> 01:22:39,603 a sort of an arrogant man who swaggered his way into the dock. 1527 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:45,329 Bellfield had little respect for anybody involved he was not a likable character. 1528 01:22:45,567 --> 01:22:48,197 He called Amelie Delagrange parents 'scum'. 1529 01:22:49,132 --> 01:22:52,073 How dare somebody like him having done what he has done 1530 01:22:52,733 --> 01:22:55,432 call these dignified 1531 01:22:55,899 --> 01:22:58,470 wonderful people whose daughter he had slain 1532 01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:01,899 how can he call them 'scum'? 1533 01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:04,930 He really still genuinely believed at that point 1534 01:23:05,399 --> 01:23:07,670 that he would be able to talk his way out of this one 1535 01:23:07,832 --> 01:23:11,132 like he had virtually everything throughout his life. 1536 01:23:11,266 --> 01:23:12,997 We knew that if this man 1537 01:23:13,132 --> 01:23:15,703 were allowed back out onto the streets he would offend again. 1538 01:23:17,899 --> 01:23:21,430 The turning point came when Bellfield was under cross examination 1539 01:23:21,567 --> 01:23:25,266 and he got a little bit unsettled by thi and eventually said 1540 01:23:25,699 --> 01:23:29,029 'look you've got to understand I'm fighting for my life here' 1541 01:23:29,667 --> 01:23:31,827 and using those very words 1542 01:23:32,466 --> 01:23:35,726 as soon as he used them I looked at the judge I looked at the jury 1543 01:23:36,233 --> 01:23:38,132 and realised they were thinking the same as me 1544 01:23:38,266 --> 01:23:41,667 that 'you're saying you're fighting for your life Bellfield 1545 01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:44,569 but you never gave that chance to Amelie Delagrange 1546 01:23:44,699 --> 01:23:46,970 you never gave that chance to Marsha McDonnell 1547 01:23:47,733 --> 01:23:50,972 why should we care that you are fighting for your life 1548 01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:52,369 when you've taken some?'. 1549 01:23:52,533 --> 01:23:54,903 Gradually, as he realised the 1550 01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:59,699 strength of the evidence and the relentlessness of the questioning and th 1551 01:23:59,932 --> 01:24:02,932 bringing up of these circumstances which showed him what he had done 1552 01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:06,430 you could virtually see in his face the realization 1553 01:24:06,966 --> 01:24:09,726 that it was going south, that it wasn't going well for him. 1554 01:24:10,367 --> 01:24:16,466 I have to say perhaps it's wrong of me b loved it I loved to watch him crumble li 1555 01:24:16,667 --> 01:24:18,067 The day of the verdict 1556 01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:22,600 the court room was absolutely packed to the brim with press 1557 01:24:22,867 --> 01:24:26,226 police and everyone who had anything to do with Bellfield 1558 01:24:26,367 --> 01:24:29,127 and it is so nerve wracking waiting for that sentence 1559 01:24:29,266 --> 01:24:30,627 because you're thinking 1560 01:24:31,067 --> 01:24:34,167 'this could go either way, it can always go either way 1561 01:24:34,567 --> 01:24:35,867 depending on the jury'. 1562 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,470 The first verdict that came 1563 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,369 was on the Marsha McDonnell case 1564 01:24:40,899 --> 01:24:42,529 and the foreman said 1565 01:24:44,033 --> 01:24:46,332 That by a majority verdict that he was guilty 1566 01:24:46,533 --> 01:24:49,002 and I remember saying to Jo 1567 01:24:49,432 --> 01:24:51,233 'that was actually our weakest case 1568 01:24:52,033 --> 01:24:55,132 and if they've convicted him of that 1569 01:24:55,667 --> 01:24:57,766 he's going to be convicted of the next two'. 1570 01:24:57,966 --> 01:24:59,027 And we sat there 1571 01:25:00,667 --> 01:25:01,697 and we heard 1572 01:25:02,300 --> 01:25:05,670 from the foreman the words we'd wanted f so many months 1573 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,000 that everything that we had done was worthwhile 1574 01:25:08,132 --> 01:25:11,502 and Bellfield was guilty and we knew at that point that the only thing 1575 01:25:11,632 --> 01:25:14,273 that gonna be happens to him was going to be a whole life tariff 1576 01:25:14,667 --> 01:25:16,266 he was going to be in prison forever. 1577 01:25:17,033 --> 01:25:21,033 That's what he deserved and what we had been working for. 1578 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,300 This was it, this was game over for him His life was done. 1579 01:25:26,432 --> 01:25:28,533 When we got that conviction, I think 1580 01:25:28,699 --> 01:25:31,170 most of us burst into tears because it w 1581 01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:33,970 absolutely overwhelming, including Colin 1582 01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:37,470 Just absolutely overwhelming feeling. 1583 01:25:37,667 --> 01:25:40,226 I don't believe justice 1584 01:25:40,899 --> 01:25:43,630 being served gives closure. 1585 01:25:44,432 --> 01:25:47,273 I don't believe that families that have lost 1586 01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:49,770 a loved one to murder 1587 01:25:50,533 --> 01:25:51,773 ever have closure. 1588 01:25:51,899 --> 01:25:53,329 The beginning of this year 1589 01:25:53,466 --> 01:25:56,067 was the most difficult 1590 01:25:56,966 --> 01:25:59,926 going through all the motions of pain 1591 01:26:02,300 --> 01:26:03,770 backlashes 1592 01:26:04,766 --> 01:26:10,497 details and of course missing Marsha mor than ever 1593 01:26:10,832 --> 01:26:12,103 Over this time 1594 01:26:12,233 --> 01:26:14,672 it's been hard to watch someone who killed your daughter 1595 01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:16,729 but he was arrogant in court 1596 01:26:16,867 --> 01:26:19,067 and he acted like he was above the law. 1597 01:26:19,432 --> 01:26:22,672 All we've done for the families of the victims that have been murdered 1598 01:26:23,033 --> 01:26:25,632 is the very best we could. 1599 01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:28,069 And a very small part 1600 01:26:29,432 --> 01:26:33,273 of helping them to go on and adjust to live their life afterwards. 1601 01:26:33,667 --> 01:26:36,266 Of course, I will never be able to forge what happened to me 1602 01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:40,029 the scars on my body and the memories th have are something I will never be rid o 1603 01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:42,029 but hopefully I can move on. 1604 01:26:42,899 --> 01:26:45,569 Attending court and facing my attacker was very difficult 1605 01:26:45,899 --> 01:26:47,569 but something I felt was important. 1606 01:26:47,932 --> 01:26:52,033 The court process has been a long and ar one that has stirred up many unwelcome m 1607 01:26:52,167 --> 01:26:54,497 and a lot of evidence has been hard to listen to 1608 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,529 but it is finally over 1609 01:26:56,699 --> 01:26:59,842 and the fact that Bellfield has been fou guilty means more to me than I can possi 1610 01:26:59,867 --> 01:27:01,567 The life sentence may provide 1611 01:27:01,699 --> 01:27:04,069 some closure for his victims families 1612 01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:07,630 but the file on Levi Bellfield is still open. 1613 01:27:10,966 --> 01:27:12,627 The people we've really helped 1614 01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:15,670 in Bellfield's case, by locking him away 1615 01:27:15,932 --> 01:27:19,903 are the people who he would have assault who would have become his victims in the 1616 01:27:20,167 --> 01:27:23,567 and they don't know it but they are the ones we've really helped. 1617 01:27:24,332 --> 01:27:26,033 Having been convicted of. 1618 01:27:26,332 --> 01:27:29,932 Amelie and Marsha's murders and the attempted murder of Kate Sheedy 1619 01:27:30,132 --> 01:27:35,372 post-trial, the media were allowed to ru a background on Levi Bellfield. 1620 01:27:35,932 --> 01:27:39,372 There were huge appeals to try and find the red Daewoo 1621 01:27:39,867 --> 01:27:43,367 which he had undoubtedly used to transpo Milly's body. 1622 01:27:47,367 --> 01:27:49,426 Another offence that was part of the series 1623 01:27:49,567 --> 01:27:51,966 was that of Rachel Cowles 1624 01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:55,369 who was subjected to a potential abducti 1625 01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:57,430 on the 21st of March 2002 1626 01:27:57,567 --> 01:28:00,896 as it happens was the day before Milly Dowler was abducted. 1627 01:28:01,033 --> 01:28:04,802 Rachel Cowles offense occurred in Shepperton she was aged 11 1628 01:28:05,132 --> 01:28:08,403 her mother reported it to the police not a great deal was done there was 1629 01:28:08,533 --> 01:28:11,533 the registration of the crime, but more importantly 1630 01:28:11,667 --> 01:28:13,296 three years later when there is an appea 1631 01:28:13,432 --> 01:28:16,672 regarding a red vehicle related to Levi Bellfield. 1632 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,569 Rachel's mother made the connection 1633 01:28:18,699 --> 01:28:20,729 and contacted police again to 1634 01:28:20,867 --> 01:28:24,497 flag up the fact that the vehicle was almost certainly the same one used 1635 01:28:24,632 --> 01:28:26,233 in the offense against her daughter. 1636 01:28:26,367 --> 01:28:29,296 That being the case it made the incident 1637 01:28:29,567 --> 01:28:33,067 against Rachel become particularly relevant. 1638 01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,800 Because it showed that he was in that area. 1639 01:28:35,932 --> 01:28:37,233 He was living 1640 01:28:37,832 --> 01:28:41,573 in that block of flats where Milly was literally walking by 1641 01:28:41,899 --> 01:28:43,300 when she vanished. 1642 01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:47,930 Eventually, it ended up with Bellfield standing trial for Milly's murder. 1643 01:28:48,067 --> 01:28:49,466 We have some breaking news 1644 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,500 concerning Levi Bellfield 1645 01:28:51,632 --> 01:28:54,573 he has been found guilty of the abductio and murder 1646 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,270 of Milly Dowler. 1647 01:28:56,399 --> 01:28:57,670 Levi Bellfield 1648 01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,270 who is of course already convicted 1649 01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:04,970 of two other murders, is now convicted of the murder of Milly Dowler 1650 01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:10,369 which for many years was one of the most notorious unsolved murders. 1651 01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,270 He now officially, because he has been convicted of a third murder 1652 01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:18,199 now becomes officially at least a serial killer. 1653 01:29:19,367 --> 01:29:20,966 It was the most difficult 1654 01:29:21,100 --> 01:29:24,470 investigation I've ever done because it was so wide ranging and so complicated. 1655 01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,130 There's no doubt of all the people I've met in 30 years he 1656 01:29:28,266 --> 01:29:29,867 is the most dangerous 1657 01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:32,970 the most unpredictable and the most violent. 1658 01:29:33,233 --> 01:29:37,603 He is the person I am proudest of being able 1659 01:29:37,733 --> 01:29:40,573 to play a part in taking out of circulation. 1660 01:29:40,932 --> 01:29:43,832 Because I seriously think that's the mos 1661 01:29:44,033 --> 01:29:47,203 I can do for the community of London 1662 01:29:48,332 --> 01:29:51,533 was to put him away, more than any other criminal I've ever dealt with. 1663 01:29:51,667 --> 01:29:53,966 It wasn't an easy case, it was difficult to solve 1664 01:29:54,100 --> 01:29:56,930 and it had to be solved, as far as my career goes 1665 01:29:57,399 --> 01:29:59,500 it was undoubtedly a stand-out point, ye 1666 01:29:59,932 --> 01:30:01,802 Some people have described 1667 01:30:01,932 --> 01:30:05,703 the Bellfield case, the investigation as an old-fashioned detective case 1668 01:30:05,832 --> 01:30:08,103 we had no forensic evidence 1669 01:30:08,233 --> 01:30:10,703 there were no fingerprints, there was no DNA. 1670 01:30:10,832 --> 01:30:13,203 That's why we had to piece together this 1671 01:30:13,332 --> 01:30:17,872 circumstantial case and although the bedrock of that was CCTV 1672 01:30:18,167 --> 01:30:21,667 and phone data, an awful lot of time spent by my 1673 01:30:21,899 --> 01:30:23,899 very talented and dedicated officers 1674 01:30:24,033 --> 01:30:25,743 pacing around the streets, knocking on doors 1675 01:30:25,766 --> 01:30:28,327 taking statements, getting small pieces of information 1676 01:30:28,466 --> 01:30:31,327 that we were able to assemble to make the case. 1677 01:30:32,367 --> 01:30:33,966 Colin handled the case 1678 01:30:34,300 --> 01:30:38,069 brilliantly. This was a high-profile job and he was under some serious pressure. 1679 01:30:38,332 --> 01:30:40,472 I don't think, to be honest with you 1680 01:30:40,733 --> 01:30:44,073 that anyone else could have done a better job to be fair. 1681 01:30:45,167 --> 01:30:47,396 Personally, I think there is other offending 1682 01:30:47,533 --> 01:30:51,132 I think there is other things wrapped around Levi Bellfield that could 1683 01:30:51,266 --> 01:30:54,697 come to light, given the right set of circumstances. 1684 01:30:55,067 --> 01:30:56,466 I don't think it's a done deal. 1685 01:30:56,766 --> 01:31:00,627 If there is the opportunity and the resources and a set of circumstances exi 1686 01:31:00,832 --> 01:31:05,033 I think there could be further investigation work to carry on. 1687 01:31:05,167 --> 01:31:07,667 The victims should be the most important people involved 1688 01:31:07,867 --> 01:31:10,796 in the case, is my thought on it 1689 01:31:10,966 --> 01:31:14,997 so it's important that they are remember They were the innocent people who 1690 01:31:15,432 --> 01:31:17,773 very unfortunately and sadly for their families 1691 01:31:17,899 --> 01:31:19,399 were hurt by him. 1692 01:31:19,733 --> 01:31:21,603 During that inquiry which lasted 1693 01:31:21,733 --> 01:31:24,903 four years, I met a lot of people of who 1694 01:31:25,033 --> 01:31:27,403 family members, friends 1695 01:31:27,533 --> 01:31:29,273 some of them I'm still friends with toda 1696 01:31:29,399 --> 01:31:34,029 standing there at the Old Bailey at that conviction was the highlight of my caree 1697 01:31:34,432 --> 01:31:36,332 I've no doubt that at some point 1698 01:31:36,466 --> 01:31:40,926 if I'm fortunate enough to out live him will come and say, 'what are your commen 1699 01:31:41,233 --> 01:31:45,332 and I won't mourn Levi Bellfield and I think very few people will. 148452

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