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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,233 --> 00:00:16,132 It became clear that there was a p of attacks on elderly people 2 00:00:16,466 --> 00:00:18,766 within the South East London area... 3 00:00:19,132 --> 00:00:22,332 to rape them and sexually assault them hideous crimes 4 00:00:22,567 --> 00:00:25,996 Operation Minstead had gone on years and became 5 00:00:26,132 --> 00:00:29,172 a subject of division as far as the police were concerned 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,570 The fact that it's elderly people. 7 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:36,770 In kind of the autumn of their lives and something like this happens to them 8 00:00:36,932 --> 00:00:38,802 I can't imagine any of them... 9 00:00:39,133 --> 00:00:41,773 ever came anywhere near recovering from 10 00:01:06,266 --> 00:01:08,926 Colin Sutton was a Detective Chief Ins 11 00:01:09,266 --> 00:01:12,996 and Senior Invastigating Officer in The Metropolitan Police 12 00:01:16,466 --> 00:01:17,826 He lead the investigations 13 00:01:17,966 --> 00:01:21,326 into some of the most complex and high-profile cases ever 14 00:01:21,632 --> 00:01:23,772 bringing dangerous criminals to Justice 15 00:01:24,733 --> 00:01:29,573 [background music, female and male voice 16 00:01:31,632 --> 00:01:34,902 in this series you will take you inside 17 00:01:35,233 --> 00:01:39,772 and show you how we caught these crimina using nothing but pure detective work. 18 00:01:40,167 --> 00:01:42,426 This is the Real Manhunter. 19 00:02:52,332 --> 00:02:53,573 It became clear we were... 20 00:02:53,699 --> 00:02:56,170 dealing with an evil human being 21 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:57,530 a ruthless individual 22 00:02:57,667 --> 00:02:59,026 A lot of his victims 23 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,669 suffered at his hands 24 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,629 but suffered in silence and never actually reported 25 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:07,500 them but carried it with them to their g 26 00:03:07,633 --> 00:03:13,173 The Nightstalker was a clever and sophis criminal there is no doubt of that 27 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:15,770 he thought about what he was doing 28 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:21,530 He thought about how he might get caught he thought of ways to avoid getting caug 29 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,770 For 17 years this man had struck fear into our community 30 00:03:27,667 --> 00:03:29,326 and that couldn't continue 31 00:03:29,667 --> 00:03:33,026 I knew I had to do everything I could to bring that to an end 32 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:39,633 An investigation is underway following the burglary 33 00:03:39,766 --> 00:03:42,127 and sexual assault in the Shirley area of Croydon last night 34 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,209 The Victim, an elderly woman in her 80s was woken by an intruder who had broken 35 00:03:45,233 --> 00:03:47,793 Police have yet to confirm if it is linked to a series of attacks 36 00:03:47,832 --> 00:03:49,633 by a man known as the Nightstalker... 37 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,969 During the 1990s... 38 00:03:52,099 --> 00:03:57,430 there was a pattern of attacks on elderl within the South East London area 39 00:03:57,966 --> 00:04:00,796 Speculation could one person be responsi 40 00:04:00,932 --> 00:04:05,332 who by then had been given the nickname 'The Nightstalker' 41 00:04:05,532 --> 00:04:08,832 This had been running for 17 years and there didn't seem to be 42 00:04:09,266 --> 00:04:11,326 any answer as to who this man was 43 00:04:11,467 --> 00:04:13,727 At that particular period in South East 44 00:04:14,032 --> 00:04:16,572 there were thousands of elderly people living in fear 45 00:04:16,899 --> 00:04:20,730 of this criminal he had an air of invincibility about him 46 00:04:21,132 --> 00:04:23,132 The numbers were large 47 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:27,730 mainly they were incidents where a prowler had broken in at night 48 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,529 woken up the occupants who were always e and occasionally indecently assaulted th 49 00:04:34,067 --> 00:04:39,466 but not always indecently assaulted them and on several occasions he raped them 50 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,670 You couldn't serve as either a uniformed or detective in South East London 51 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,329 and not know about Operation Minstead 52 00:04:45,466 --> 00:04:50,367 I was promoted from detective sergeant to detective inspector in January 2009 53 00:04:50,667 --> 00:04:53,896 I was selected to join Operation Minstea 54 00:04:54,533 --> 00:05:00,673 and I had been there about 3 months and Colin appeared early summer of 2009 55 00:05:01,233 --> 00:05:04,932 Up until Colin arriving I was kind of the only manager on the gr 56 00:05:05,333 --> 00:05:09,403 so to have another for Colin to come as SIO was a relief to 57 00:05:09,932 --> 00:05:11,302 In April 2009... 58 00:05:11,432 --> 00:05:15,833 I was still the leader of my murder team 59 00:05:16,432 --> 00:05:19,932 the new commander of the homicide and serious crime command... 60 00:05:20,067 --> 00:05:23,627 left a message for me saying could I go and see him at Scotland Yard 61 00:05:23,766 --> 00:05:26,826 just to have a chat and then he asked me what I knew about Operation Minstead 62 00:05:27,466 --> 00:05:32,026 I just knew that Operation Minstead was South East London 63 00:05:32,167 --> 00:05:38,697 that it was a long running investigation a series of rapes and burglaries of old 64 00:05:39,367 --> 00:05:43,667 My team had been successful in other cas high profile cases 65 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,670 and just wanted somebody to have a look 66 00:05:59,233 --> 00:06:01,002 This is Lewisham Police Station 67 00:06:01,132 --> 00:06:04,632 where operation Minstead was based I'd never been here before 68 00:06:04,766 --> 00:06:07,526 I was asked to come over and have a look and see if I could... 69 00:06:08,132 --> 00:06:10,802 come up with any ideas this is where it was based so I came 70 00:06:10,932 --> 00:06:14,802 When I met the team and realised how sma 71 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:18,699 and how difficult their task was in trying to catch this guy who... 72 00:06:19,033 --> 00:06:22,132 had been committing these terrible offen for so long 73 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,529 it was a case that seriously needed solv 74 00:06:25,899 --> 00:06:29,829 I was pleased to have the opportunity to and contribute towards that 75 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,170 When I first came here to take a look I 76 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:37,800 very little about the case and I was brought up to speed 77 00:06:37,932 --> 00:06:40,932 by going to a meeting of all the supervi 78 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,069 We sat down and they were discussing the lines of inquiry 79 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:46,300 and what was going on and I made a few n 80 00:06:46,632 --> 00:06:48,832 The first of them was the suspect's desc 81 00:06:49,033 --> 00:06:52,332 That was based on victim statements and victim accounts 82 00:06:52,466 --> 00:06:57,096 it was very very generic but it was allegedly a black male 83 00:06:57,332 --> 00:06:58,973 light skinned to dark skinned 84 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:01,370 normally dressed in dark clothing from head to foot 85 00:07:01,932 --> 00:07:06,403 the age range varied from the 30s to upp 86 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:13,100 quite well built average height and norm wearing a balaclava or some sort of face 87 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:15,166 And then it was obviously the offenders 88 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:20,000 which at that stage had been left at var so we were using that to eliminate peopl 89 00:07:20,167 --> 00:07:21,997 in a mass DNA screening 90 00:07:23,233 --> 00:07:27,302 One of our victims had said that when the perpetrator had woken her up 91 00:07:27,766 --> 00:07:29,367 he was dressed in dark clothing 92 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:32,970 potentially could have been wearing a motorcycle helmet and motorcycle cloth 93 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:37,069 and then when he left, she thought she h the engine of a motorcycle 94 00:07:37,932 --> 00:07:43,432 So on that basis a line of inquiry was s trace motorcycle license holders in that 95 00:07:43,567 --> 00:07:48,067 It was a very large line of inquiry and it essentially was suspended 96 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:49,600 pretty soon into my tenure 97 00:07:50,867 --> 00:07:54,867 When you've got lots of cases going back over many years 98 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:57,269 there's no substitute 99 00:07:57,399 --> 00:08:00,930 to just looking yourself away to get a f of what they were about and what was hap 100 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:05,529 So for the first kind of couple of weeks I was a sponge I was soaking up... 101 00:08:06,132 --> 00:08:10,572 the information rather than processing i thinking about it and looking at... 102 00:08:11,033 --> 00:08:12,593 what it might mean and where we can go. 103 00:08:12,733 --> 00:08:14,302 I got on very well with C 104 00:08:14,432 --> 00:08:16,033 he was an established SIO 105 00:08:16,266 --> 00:08:18,167 with a good reputation on the command 106 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:21,100 I was a brand-new detective inspector kind of finding my feet 107 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:24,300 I knew about investigation and I knew about homicide investigations 108 00:08:24,432 --> 00:08:26,632 and obviously this type of investigation 109 00:08:26,966 --> 00:08:31,797 He had an advantage in that he could bri with the management team of the homicide 110 00:08:31,932 --> 00:08:33,633 He brought elements to the investigation 111 00:08:33,866 --> 00:08:36,326 that I couldn't bring to it and obviously another perspective. 112 00:08:37,167 --> 00:08:38,626 What became clear... 113 00:08:38,767 --> 00:08:44,527 is that these offenses were confined to a pretty exact geographical area 114 00:08:44,832 --> 00:08:46,873 If you took part of Greater London 115 00:08:47,133 --> 00:08:48,873 south of the River Thames 116 00:08:49,332 --> 00:08:52,403 and to the east of the A23 at Croydon 117 00:08:53,432 --> 00:08:56,903 that was his hunting ground So it's like a quarter of Greater London 118 00:08:57,399 --> 00:08:59,899 and one or 2 offenses just over the bord into Surrey 119 00:09:00,033 --> 00:09:04,602 but mostly it was kind of outer South Ea 120 00:09:16,932 --> 00:09:21,503 What came to be regarded as offense numb in the Minstead series 121 00:09:21,633 --> 00:09:26,373 took place in Wickham Road in Shirley in October 1992 122 00:09:27,366 --> 00:09:30,267 The police got a message that there had 123 00:09:30,567 --> 00:09:35,866 a burglary in a bungalow where an 84 yea lived on her own 124 00:09:36,533 --> 00:09:41,602 and when police turned up and responded to this call that was when the victim... 125 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:46,669 confided in them that not only had she been burgled and had property stolen 126 00:09:47,133 --> 00:09:48,972 but that she had also been raped. 127 00:09:49,432 --> 00:09:51,202 Now most... 128 00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:54,897 burglars run a mile if there is somebody house they want to burgle a house when i 129 00:09:55,667 --> 00:10:01,326 But in this case there was interaction between the burglar and the 130 00:10:03,866 --> 00:10:07,126 It was late in the evening on the 12th of October 1992 131 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:09,129 a man with a balaclava 132 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:14,399 broke in, went down the side of this hou removed a pane of glass from the window. 133 00:10:14,899 --> 00:10:17,299 He removed it whole he hadn't smashed it 134 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,629 he had removed the fitting and taken out the pane of glass 135 00:10:21,767 --> 00:10:25,596 set it down quite sort of carefully and had gone in through the window. 136 00:10:26,232 --> 00:10:30,273 At some point during his progress through the house 137 00:10:30,899 --> 00:10:33,629 he had been removing light bulbs from their fittings 138 00:10:34,432 --> 00:10:39,673 presumably so that if the victim woke up to switch the light on then there would 139 00:10:40,899 --> 00:10:46,200 He also cut the telephone wires because when the ordeal was over 140 00:10:46,567 --> 00:10:47,697 and the victim 141 00:10:48,267 --> 00:10:51,826 went to try and phone for help she found her phone had been disconnected. 142 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:53,830 He went into her bedroom 143 00:10:54,567 --> 00:11:01,567 and this 84-year-old lady was confronted horror of being awoken in her own bed 144 00:11:02,067 --> 00:11:07,126 by a figure looming over her with a torc a dark figure 145 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:10,230 hand over her mouth telling her not to m 146 00:11:12,533 --> 00:11:16,903 And her ordeal went on for something lik and during that time... 147 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,370 the intruder raped her before stealing some jewellery and ยฃ250 in cash. 148 00:11:27,366 --> 00:11:33,027 A terrible crime a terrible ordeal for an old lady 149 00:11:33,466 --> 00:11:35,297 to have to go through in her own home 150 00:11:35,667 --> 00:11:40,667 you can only imagine how terrifying it must have been for her in the dark 151 00:11:41,167 --> 00:11:44,966 in the house on her own she should feel it's her own home 152 00:11:45,299 --> 00:11:47,779 and she's got this intruder doing these terrible things to her. 153 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:52,200 He eventually leaves her after two hours she wants to raise the alarm 154 00:11:52,633 --> 00:11:55,732 and finds that her phone has been cut of she can't phone anybody. 155 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:59,029 So she walks along to where her niece li 156 00:11:59,533 --> 00:12:02,503 and she asks her niece to raise the alar and the police are told 157 00:12:02,932 --> 00:12:08,403 that there was a burglary an overnight b and they turn out and attend the burglar 158 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:14,669 and it's at that point that the lady rev that she had been raped 159 00:12:14,799 --> 00:12:18,070 she had been raped in her own home in th of the night by this intruder. 160 00:12:18,267 --> 00:12:20,826 Once he'd over-powered his victim 161 00:12:21,033 --> 00:12:22,932 he used to spend considerable time in th 162 00:12:23,067 --> 00:12:26,326 either going around himself or speaking to the victims themselves 163 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,500 and he showed caring attributes 164 00:12:28,667 --> 00:12:30,626 which is very unusual for an offender. 165 00:12:30,767 --> 00:12:32,366 The victim told them 166 00:12:33,133 --> 00:12:37,403 that the rapist kissed her on the lips and on the cheek. 167 00:12:38,567 --> 00:12:42,167 It had the investigator a little bit sor of confused and bemused 168 00:12:42,299 --> 00:12:45,970 has he tried to make things right and smooth things over 169 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:48,230 and maintain a good relationship with th 170 00:12:49,966 --> 00:12:53,267 Or is he trying to persuade them that th 171 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:56,029 tell the police and that they shouldn't come after him. 172 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,169 Almost more disturbing and confusing for the victims who were probably 173 00:13:00,667 --> 00:13:04,996 not able to think straight having just b the victim of such a horrible crime. 174 00:13:05,899 --> 00:13:10,269 It's just a really unusual way in which 175 00:13:10,767 --> 00:13:14,326 the victim almost with sensitivity and a degree of compassion 176 00:13:15,267 --> 00:13:21,126 having just inflicted the most barbaric of acts and assaults on her. 177 00:13:23,667 --> 00:13:27,527 There really is no other way to investig an allegation of rape 178 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,230 but to subject the victim again to another intrusive 179 00:13:33,667 --> 00:13:39,697 and uncomfortable experience of being me examined and forensic swabs being taken 180 00:13:40,067 --> 00:13:43,466 because if you haven't got the evidence get from that examination of those swabs 181 00:13:43,966 --> 00:13:47,126 you're never going to prove the case further down the line anyway. 182 00:13:47,832 --> 00:13:52,802 So she's taken to the suite and she is examined and swabs are taken 183 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:57,799 and from those swabs and particularly fr clothing her pyjamas and some of the bed 184 00:13:57,932 --> 00:14:04,273 there was semen and from that semen that a full male DNA profile was later distil 185 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:10,429 In 1992 the use of DNA as an investigati 186 00:14:10,667 --> 00:14:12,126 was kind of in its infancy. 187 00:14:12,267 --> 00:14:14,427 The database was very small 188 00:14:14,567 --> 00:14:18,297 so although there was semen present from 189 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:23,429 on both the swabs and the old lady's pyj 190 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:30,600 it wasn't until some years later that th were resubmitted to the laboratory 191 00:14:30,866 --> 00:14:33,797 and yielded a male DNA profile. 192 00:14:34,533 --> 00:14:37,232 At first the police weren't aware that.. 193 00:14:37,366 --> 00:14:41,667 This was going to be part of a series obviously there had been no other... 194 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,200 similar offenses in the recent past and this was thought really to be... 195 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,669 very much a one off. 196 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:51,330 The investigation stayed with the local 197 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:55,500 it's their task for their local CID to investigate so it stayed there and... 198 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,169 they did investigate it and they got now didn't find the suspect and it was kind 199 00:15:01,466 --> 00:15:04,527 filed as unsolved As time went on 200 00:15:05,167 --> 00:15:08,496 we realised that this was a series 201 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:14,133 and that this sorts of houses and this t 202 00:15:14,466 --> 00:15:16,927 semi-detached houses and bungalows 203 00:15:17,232 --> 00:15:20,273 in these essentially quiet and residenti 204 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:23,929 of south east London were the hunting ground for the Nightstalker 205 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:35,330 Six years later 206 00:15:35,466 --> 00:15:40,027 in September 1998 there was a significan 207 00:15:40,567 --> 00:15:43,897 just outside the Met Police area in Warl in Surrey. 208 00:15:44,332 --> 00:15:48,773 It's important in the story of the Night because it was in Warlingham in this roa 209 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:54,600 that the second offense took place where the suspect left DNA. 210 00:15:55,299 --> 00:15:59,799 The 81 year-old victim was in bed lived alone she had mobility problems 211 00:16:00,332 --> 00:16:04,572 and the suspect came along entered throu that gate down the side of the house 212 00:16:04,899 --> 00:16:08,870 he had a large screwdriver and he tried to prise a window open 213 00:16:09,966 --> 00:16:14,496 and then he realized there was a key han on a string on the fence by the back doo 214 00:16:14,832 --> 00:16:19,003 the victim had left that for her carers and family to let themselves in if they 215 00:16:19,533 --> 00:16:22,533 So he used that why bother with the screwdriver when I've got the k 216 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,070 But those actions of trying to break in with the screwdriver 217 00:16:27,866 --> 00:16:30,167 became very important because... 218 00:16:30,667 --> 00:16:35,067 every tool like this every screwdriver has a unique shape 219 00:16:35,466 --> 00:16:41,626 microscopically the marks that screwdriv makes are different to other screwdriver 220 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,870 and what happens is the scenes of crime 221 00:16:45,267 --> 00:16:49,366 will take a plaster cast from the mark that it leaves 222 00:16:50,732 --> 00:16:54,403 and then that can be microscopically photographed and examined. 223 00:16:55,067 --> 00:16:59,797 When there are other marks at other crim they can be compared 224 00:17:00,366 --> 00:17:03,966 and the comparison of those marks can link two crime scenes 225 00:17:04,099 --> 00:17:09,430 in very much the same way that as DNA profile or fingerprint might link 226 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,829 He was in the premises for some time 227 00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:18,373 and he did make an attempt to rape the v but it wasn't successful. 228 00:17:19,133 --> 00:17:20,472 He asks her for money 229 00:17:21,133 --> 00:17:22,903 and she said she didn't have any. 230 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,970 Then he climbs on top of her and he begins to indecently assault her. 231 00:17:29,467 --> 00:17:32,527 He tries to pull her legs apart he's goi to rape her he undid his trousers 232 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,799 but she yells out in pain from her chronic arthritis when she tried to move 233 00:17:40,232 --> 00:17:44,972 then she almost feigns illness feigns that she's passed out. 234 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:48,099 And this seemed to concern him, and he s 235 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:55,000 He had so much concern it seemed that he to find a pulse to make sure she was sti 236 00:17:55,133 --> 00:17:59,373 he picked up her wrists and looked at that and then he left. 237 00:18:00,067 --> 00:18:02,396 The ordeal for her was over quite quickl 238 00:18:02,532 --> 00:18:06,032 There was a genuine fear of a reprisal. 239 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,730 In this case the fear was more that the intruder would return 240 00:18:11,532 --> 00:18:16,403 and so it wasn't until the following mor she spoke to her son that she reported t 241 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:21,700 He wasn't able to perform the act but in so he did ejaculate 242 00:18:22,267 --> 00:18:25,166 and there was semen found on the carpet in her bedroom 243 00:18:25,567 --> 00:18:26,926 From that semen... 244 00:18:27,467 --> 00:18:29,797 a full male DNA profile was extracted 245 00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:34,366 and it matched exactly the profile from the 1992 offense. 246 00:18:34,967 --> 00:18:41,826 Now we had two rapes from the same unkno we had a series we had Operation Minstea 247 00:18:43,967 --> 00:18:47,126 This then enlightened them to the prospe 248 00:18:47,432 --> 00:18:49,802 that they were dealing with a serial rap 249 00:18:50,232 --> 00:18:53,732 a serial sex offender targeting elderly 250 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:57,497 It wasn't long before this started filtering out to the media 251 00:18:57,767 --> 00:19:02,227 and reports of sexual offenses being att 252 00:19:02,633 --> 00:19:05,173 to someone we call 'The Nightstalker'. 253 00:19:05,299 --> 00:19:09,170 'Nightstalker' was something invented by 254 00:19:09,299 --> 00:19:11,329 the people running the investigation 255 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,599 in the early 2000s were not particularly happy with because... 256 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:19,430 it was felt that it accentuated the fear these people should be in. 257 00:19:19,567 --> 00:19:22,596 The police didn't particularly like that term being used 258 00:19:23,333 --> 00:19:30,633 but it was easy for us to describe to th this was someone who was breaking in at 259 00:19:30,767 --> 00:19:32,366 Part of the strategy very much 260 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:35,299 was to try not to have... 261 00:19:36,299 --> 00:19:39,700 elderly ladies in South East London having to live their lives in fear. 262 00:19:39,833 --> 00:19:44,573 If you look at the media reporting of operation Minstead throughout its his 263 00:19:45,067 --> 00:19:49,096 the focus is always on the sexual element of the crimes 264 00:19:49,232 --> 00:19:54,432 and what this does or did was to I think, focus... 265 00:19:54,666 --> 00:19:57,426 the methods of investigations that we us 266 00:19:57,967 --> 00:20:04,666 onto those we used which are used for ra and sexual offenses and very much that b 267 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:12,769 The team was concentrating 268 00:20:12,967 --> 00:20:16,497 their efforts on trying to get DNA swabs from suspects 269 00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:19,903 compare that with DNA they had from the first two crime scenes 270 00:20:20,032 --> 00:20:24,972 I'm pretty sure that those on that team 271 00:20:25,366 --> 00:20:29,196 would have thought that it would be quite a quick job. 272 00:20:29,666 --> 00:20:35,366 They just needed to find this guy and hi onto the database once that DNA was ther 273 00:20:35,532 --> 00:20:38,133 it matches up game over job done 274 00:20:38,467 --> 00:20:41,027 Sadly that is not what happened. 275 00:20:41,166 --> 00:20:45,426 The DNA in itself ultimately proved to be fruitless. 276 00:20:45,567 --> 00:20:47,297 They were trying to get scientists... 277 00:20:47,432 --> 00:20:48,802 to do really different things 278 00:20:49,299 --> 00:20:52,630 the two main scientific pieces of work t 279 00:20:52,932 --> 00:20:57,972 on were around physical characteristics from the DNA profile and ancestry 280 00:20:58,099 --> 00:21:02,869 the profile showed that this man was black by ethnicity 281 00:21:04,232 --> 00:21:07,432 but that his skin was likely to be pale 282 00:21:08,232 --> 00:21:14,002 freckled and that his hair would be ginger or very light 283 00:21:14,232 --> 00:21:20,303 The ancestry said that our suspect was likely to have come from the lesser 284 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:22,599 and most likely Trinidad and Tobago. 285 00:21:23,032 --> 00:21:26,103 What that caused the investigation team 286 00:21:26,232 --> 00:21:29,873 take the publicity campaign about operation Minstead to Trinidad 287 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,670 in case somebody over there recognized the person it might be. 288 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,630 They wanted to go for a swim after work 289 00:21:38,032 --> 00:21:40,432 a photographer from a Mail on Sunday newspaper 290 00:21:40,567 --> 00:21:44,396 was on hand to catch them in their speed lying around the pool. 291 00:21:44,532 --> 00:21:47,173 A rather unfortunate interpretation was put on that. 292 00:21:47,299 --> 00:21:49,130 They could have been more circumspect in 293 00:21:49,267 --> 00:21:54,027 what they did it resulted in an article where they were called 'The Frying Squad 294 00:21:54,599 --> 00:21:59,029 It just kind of debased the gravity of the situation 295 00:21:59,166 --> 00:22:02,626 and of the investigation and ultimately 296 00:22:03,032 --> 00:22:07,403 something that didn't take the investigation one millimeter further 297 00:22:08,067 --> 00:22:09,727 When I arrived in January 2009... 298 00:22:09,866 --> 00:22:15,626 a very large mass DNA screening exercise had been in operation for about 11 years 299 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:19,230 It involved officers going to the home addresses of people we that had identifi 300 00:22:19,366 --> 00:22:20,967 that might fit the description of the su 301 00:22:21,099 --> 00:22:23,730 and essentially persuading them to give an elimination swab 302 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,509 then obviously that would then be sent to the forensic science service. 303 00:22:26,532 --> 00:22:30,373 And because of the age range that was being looked at 304 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,029 these were black men who'd grown up in South East London 305 00:22:34,432 --> 00:22:37,573 during the late 1970's and 1980's 306 00:22:38,299 --> 00:22:39,730 and during that time 307 00:22:40,099 --> 00:22:45,700 I think that their contact with the Met may not necessarily have been positive 308 00:22:46,932 --> 00:22:52,002 You are then going around and saying 'can I have a sample of your DNA... 309 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,099 that we can compare with our crime scene 310 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:00,970 and no matter how many promises I made t the sample would be destroyed if it was 311 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:03,500 the mistrust had built up over 312 00:23:04,099 --> 00:23:05,900 a couple of decades was still there 313 00:23:06,633 --> 00:23:12,532 and it meant that co-operation was rarely given in truth. 314 00:23:12,666 --> 00:23:14,626 We had eliminated 2000 people 315 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,970 and we had another 2000 to do so it would have taken another 11 years. 316 00:23:19,099 --> 00:23:22,329 When I first went over there it just so happened that that week 317 00:23:22,967 --> 00:23:24,567 they had one man 318 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:27,569 who had offered up his swab for DNA 319 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:32,829 which meant that the whole operation to try to find the Nightstalker 320 00:23:32,967 --> 00:23:34,366 by DNA swabbing 321 00:23:35,532 --> 00:23:38,173 was going to be fraught with difficultie 322 00:23:38,366 --> 00:23:42,467 I wrote in the margin of my book on that first meeting a couple of days into my r 323 00:23:43,366 --> 00:23:45,027 'what if we didn't have DNA?' 324 00:23:49,232 --> 00:23:52,633 The Nightstalker operated over a very large area of London 325 00:23:52,767 --> 00:23:55,666 in the South East South London and Surrey. 326 00:23:56,133 --> 00:23:58,032 A total of about 2 and a half million pe 327 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:04,170 This is a typical road right in the midd of his favorite hunting grounds. 328 00:24:04,299 --> 00:24:06,730 And you can see there the 1930s 329 00:24:07,567 --> 00:24:09,997 houses and bungalows, semis... 330 00:24:10,467 --> 00:24:13,297 you can still point out the houses that 331 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:17,200 that there's an old person that lives th the house hasn't been modernized 332 00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:22,173 the garden is kept in a way and hasn't b into a driveway 333 00:24:22,666 --> 00:24:26,666 and that was what he based his crime. 334 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,599 The typical Minstead victim 335 00:24:28,732 --> 00:24:33,772 had their windows done up in the 80s the replaced by uPVC windows with external b 336 00:24:34,333 --> 00:24:38,403 and he knew that so a lot of his victims 337 00:24:38,532 --> 00:24:43,302 had the same sort of window that he was very expert at breaking into 338 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,470 and that was because they had external b 339 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:48,269 he could rip out pull the pane of glass out and he was in. 340 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,569 He would start a surveillance in reconna days before he committed the offense 341 00:24:54,932 --> 00:24:58,903 but then he would often sit there for ho 342 00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:03,202 looking to see what was going on to make sure he understood 343 00:25:03,666 --> 00:25:06,227 what the habits were in that particular 344 00:25:06,467 --> 00:25:08,096 It adds another... 345 00:25:08,232 --> 00:25:11,772 more sinister dimension that he spent so 346 00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:15,333 researching his victims watching the premises and seeing... 347 00:25:15,732 --> 00:25:21,133 who was coming and going and what their behavior patterns were and just pl 348 00:25:21,567 --> 00:25:24,426 how he was going to conduct his next att 349 00:25:24,567 --> 00:25:26,426 The occupier went to bed 350 00:25:26,932 --> 00:25:31,002 he could tell that by the lights moving from downstairs to upstairs then going o 351 00:25:31,333 --> 00:25:34,932 He would look to make sure that there wa only one person living there because... 352 00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:40,369 by and large he wanted to attack premise where somebody lived on their own. 353 00:25:44,932 --> 00:25:48,373 One of the first things that I had to do when I went over to... 354 00:25:49,267 --> 00:25:55,027 look and do the review on operation Mins was to get up to speed with the old case 355 00:25:55,532 --> 00:26:00,833 The most troubling of those at that time in 1999 of an 88 year-old woman 356 00:26:00,967 --> 00:26:05,696 who lived on her own in a bungalow in Or 357 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,829 At 3 in the morning she is awoken by... 358 00:26:10,467 --> 00:26:15,096 sensing someone was in her bedroom and l up into the gloom and sees that there is 359 00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:17,502 man standing at the foot of her bed. 360 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:22,599 He put a gloved hand over her mouth 361 00:26:23,866 --> 00:26:25,567 and said 'I want your money' 362 00:26:26,833 --> 00:26:30,232 and she sort of muttered something and he took his hand away and she said 363 00:26:30,932 --> 00:26:33,772 'there is no money here in the bedroom.. 364 00:26:34,366 --> 00:26:38,366 If you want me to give you my money you' to get me up and take me to my living ro 365 00:26:39,099 --> 00:26:42,130 and so he sort of pulled her up off the bed and ushered her through 366 00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:48,727 to the living room where she found her p and handbag and she gave him to purse an 367 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,299 emptied the contents of the purse into h 368 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:57,329 he pulled her up from the chair she had been sitting in 369 00:26:58,267 --> 00:27:01,626 placed her on the edge of the sofa 370 00:27:03,099 --> 00:27:08,470 pulled up her nightdress and raped her several times 371 00:27:10,299 --> 00:27:15,769 and left her battered bleeding 372 00:27:16,767 --> 00:27:19,767 in such a state that when she was able t 373 00:27:20,299 --> 00:27:25,299 raise the alarm by pressing her care link panic button 374 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,269 police attended and called an ambulance straight away she was taken straight to 375 00:27:31,299 --> 00:27:35,670 She required emergency surgery 376 00:27:36,067 --> 00:27:41,197 is ti closest the Nightstalker ever came to killing somebody there and then 377 00:27:41,666 --> 00:27:44,896 had she not received medical help she would have died she would have bled 378 00:27:45,567 --> 00:27:49,926 She never went back to her bungalow where she had been for 25 years. 379 00:27:50,532 --> 00:27:53,302 She was discharged from hospital into sheltered accommodation 380 00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:00,430 and although the physical injuries had h the psychological injuries never did 381 00:28:00,567 --> 00:28:05,567 She took that night of terror and pain to the grave with her. 382 00:28:06,299 --> 00:28:07,670 She was very weary... 383 00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:12,896 very frightened really he is it ruined h in a way didn't it 384 00:28:14,232 --> 00:28:21,032 there she was living in her own home and suddenly the world fell apart. 385 00:28:21,432 --> 00:28:26,373 She always used to say she hoped he woul before she died she had these terrible n 386 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,630 so she dreaded the nights and going to b 387 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:31,700 going to sleep. 388 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,039 It would be very difficult 389 00:28:33,166 --> 00:28:35,666 for me as a 56-year-old male to understa 390 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,039 what an elderly victims go through in these circumstances 391 00:28:38,166 --> 00:28:40,797 these are people in twilight of their ye 392 00:28:41,133 --> 00:28:45,432 it must have been absolutely terrifying and in relation to that 393 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:47,869 they were staying awake during the night 394 00:28:48,133 --> 00:28:51,633 because they didn't want to become one o victims and they were sleeping during th 395 00:28:51,932 --> 00:28:54,833 We saw it time and again with the victim there was this sort of stoicism 396 00:28:56,767 --> 00:29:00,666 the spirit of the blitz or something lik it was that generation 397 00:29:01,532 --> 00:29:06,373 and that's why they tried in some way to block it out. 398 00:29:06,666 --> 00:29:08,196 They weren't complainers 399 00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:10,542 they didn't like speaking to the police about what happened to them. 400 00:29:10,567 --> 00:29:12,067 And we agreed that if... 401 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,769 the victims of the Nightstalker had been aged between... 402 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,829 18 and 36 rather than 58 and 96 403 00:29:21,166 --> 00:29:23,866 there would have been much more publicit 404 00:29:24,099 --> 00:29:30,269 and for some reason the aged victims were not as newsworthy. 405 00:29:30,967 --> 00:29:33,396 You can't name victims of sexual assault 406 00:29:33,866 --> 00:29:36,596 and while that's quite right and quite understandable 407 00:29:37,299 --> 00:29:40,670 it meant that the suffering they endured was somehow anonymised 408 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:45,970 and the impact of his crimes I don't think were truly appreciated. 409 00:29:46,099 --> 00:29:50,029 I have no doubt if it hadn't been that p generation that had been targeted 410 00:29:50,232 --> 00:29:52,502 more resources would have had to been brought to bear. 411 00:29:59,532 --> 00:30:02,133 In May 2009 412 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,227 I finally got my chance to see 413 00:30:04,366 --> 00:30:06,497 one of these crime scenes for myself 414 00:30:06,633 --> 00:30:10,573 I had immersed myself reading all this d from all these crimes going back 415 00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,700 It was down in Croydon on a road called Princes Avenue 416 00:30:13,932 --> 00:30:20,202 for me, it was interesting not just to s what an offense looked like 417 00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:24,103 but to see how the team were responding 418 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,970 This bungalow was the scene of the first 419 00:30:27,567 --> 00:30:32,997 Minstead Nightstalker offense that I wen person after I started to go there to do 420 00:30:33,567 --> 00:30:36,567 There was a 78-year-old lady who lived h 421 00:30:37,267 --> 00:30:42,567 When we came to do our investigation we found that he had gained entrance 422 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:44,970 by that gate at the side to the rear gar 423 00:30:45,366 --> 00:30:47,366 he'd actually been to another garden of 424 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,000 and borrowed a pitchfork from their shed 425 00:30:50,432 --> 00:30:53,732 and had used that to force the window open at this bungalow. 426 00:30:55,366 --> 00:30:58,727 She goes to bed 9 pm 427 00:30:58,967 --> 00:31:01,366 she is a frail woman she needs a frame t 428 00:31:02,333 --> 00:31:05,103 she is awoken at 4 o'clock in the mornin 429 00:31:05,366 --> 00:31:10,767 by this to her huge man sitting astride on her bed 430 00:31:11,067 --> 00:31:13,297 It's dark and he's holding her down. 431 00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:18,829 At some point while the Nightstalker was on top of her he starts caressing he 432 00:31:19,267 --> 00:31:22,596 He asks her quite politely 'would you like more?' 433 00:31:22,732 --> 00:31:26,472 and she equally politely declines and sa 'No thank you'. 434 00:31:26,633 --> 00:31:31,873 It's another one of these cases where he a degree of concern or care for the vict 435 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,700 She needed to go to the toilet so she as can go fetch her walking frame and he do 436 00:31:36,833 --> 00:31:39,802 and she'd also tried to find an emergenc 437 00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:45,002 on the bedside table, but she didn't kno intruder had seen it first and hidden it 438 00:31:45,432 --> 00:31:49,802 He's asked her about things in her house rummaged through all her drawers. 439 00:31:49,932 --> 00:31:53,472 He's a bit frustrated because he can't f 440 00:31:54,467 --> 00:31:57,426 The ordeal this lady suffered was only about half an hour in length 441 00:31:57,567 --> 00:32:01,967 managed to find ยฃ20 or so in coins and c 442 00:32:02,366 --> 00:32:03,727 and that's all that she lost. 443 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,930 Once he had gone she locked the back doo 444 00:32:08,067 --> 00:32:10,987 kind of make sure he wouldn't come back and went to sleep and it wasn't... 445 00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:18,373 until after she woke up at 9 o'clock tha the landline in the premises to raise th 446 00:32:19,432 --> 00:32:23,833 When I arrived here I saw that there was the Minstead team 447 00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:28,873 very busy knocking on houses doing door to door in 448 00:32:29,467 --> 00:32:32,297 looking for CCTV looking for any kind of clues 449 00:32:32,432 --> 00:32:38,103 evidence they might find in the locality they would do if it were a murder invest 450 00:32:38,767 --> 00:32:41,366 I suppose although it was the very first I came out to 451 00:32:41,732 --> 00:32:44,032 really this was sort of the seed to my t 452 00:32:44,166 --> 00:32:47,967 that this comprehensive investigation of every single case 453 00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:50,666 was just too resource intensive. 454 00:32:52,099 --> 00:32:56,029 We were getting two sometimes three a night when he was busy. 455 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,930 You just cannot keep doing this kind of. 456 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,099 Ultimate model of investigation you use for homicides. 457 00:33:05,232 --> 00:33:07,873 I still think that may have been counterproductive 458 00:33:08,932 --> 00:33:12,032 to finding a strategy that would actually take him down. 459 00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:24,227 Colin came in and... 460 00:33:24,366 --> 00:33:28,166 by thinking outside the box by taking a fresh approach 461 00:33:28,866 --> 00:33:33,197 he decided that this was someone who nee looked at as a burglar 462 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,200 rather than a sex offender. 463 00:33:35,432 --> 00:33:37,032 Up until then we had only been 464 00:33:37,166 --> 00:33:40,567 looking at offenses that involved sexual or very high Minstead indicator. 465 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,730 So, what we decided to do was target 466 00:33:42,967 --> 00:33:44,096 every single burglary 467 00:33:44,333 --> 00:33:46,903 overnight on elderly people in South Eas 468 00:33:47,032 --> 00:33:50,232 In that time period there would've been many more offenses 469 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:54,697 where there was no forensic link which had been carried out by the Nights 470 00:33:54,833 --> 00:33:59,272 and which the police were totally oblivious to and unaware of. 471 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,230 I got my intelligence team 472 00:34:01,366 --> 00:34:05,666 to give me a print-out of what could have been Minstead offenses 473 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,730 and that was where you got to about 100 474 00:34:08,867 --> 00:34:10,967 We decided to target our resources 475 00:34:11,099 --> 00:34:13,269 where we could get things really quickly 476 00:34:13,532 --> 00:34:15,932 and all aimed at identifying the offende 477 00:34:16,132 --> 00:34:18,702 and not proving that he committed the of 478 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:20,429 All the evidence... 479 00:34:20,632 --> 00:34:25,702 needed to put him in prison for a very l had already been preserved. 480 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:29,530 We didn't need to prove that he was comm 481 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,800 these new offenses we didn't need to get every available scrap of evidence 482 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:41,300 we could treat them as intelligence opportunities in other words 483 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,400 we could look at them to try and find th of the offense which might help us ident 484 00:34:47,532 --> 00:34:52,773 I had a view that if we were to use crim pattern analysis and analytical minds 485 00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:56,530 to try and predict what was happening and to try and understand 486 00:34:57,032 --> 00:35:02,702 where this man was offending then we nee to have all the information possible. 487 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,969 This change in the thrust of the investi gave birth to what was called 'Minstead 488 00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:13,827 I was desperate to prove that Minstead was throwing away offenses 489 00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:16,396 and intelligence opportunities by leavin 490 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,300 crimes to be looked at and investigated by the borough 491 00:35:20,567 --> 00:35:24,396 and I thought I was going to have to go years and years of crime reports to prov 492 00:35:24,766 --> 00:35:26,597 But such a case fell into my lap. 493 00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,672 By May 2009 494 00:35:28,867 --> 00:35:30,827 the investigative strategy of Minstead L 495 00:35:30,967 --> 00:35:34,097 was being written but hadn't officially come into play. 496 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:37,730 During that time there was an over-night burglary in Farnaby Road. 497 00:35:37,867 --> 00:35:39,766 It was not an offense that we would norm 498 00:35:40,132 --> 00:35:43,833 have taken on for investigation but we applied the Minstead Lite princip 499 00:35:44,099 --> 00:35:46,070 and went down there and used it as a tes 500 00:35:47,367 --> 00:35:50,297 The house was occupied by an elderly lady and her son 501 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,400 who himself was in his sixties. 502 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,500 It was given back to the borough to inve 503 00:35:56,233 --> 00:36:01,302 He had broken in, and he'd clearly broke normal sort of way at the rear with a pa 504 00:36:01,432 --> 00:36:08,103 and moved things around inside the house but hadn't actually stolen any 505 00:36:08,632 --> 00:36:15,132 He wasn't there for very long and he dec that he was going to abort and leave. 506 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,800 When the borough CID were investigating 507 00:36:18,932 --> 00:36:23,472 the son of the victim told them that the was a carton of orange juice in the kitc 508 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,369 which seemed to have lessened in volume as if someone had drunk from it. 509 00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:32,530 He knew he hadn't, or his mother hadn't the scenes of crime officer from the bor 510 00:36:33,132 --> 00:36:36,472 doing the right thing swabbed the mouth of the carton 511 00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:40,027 submitted it for DNA analysis and very quickly afterwards 512 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,099 was presented with a full male DNA profi 513 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,170 which matched the other Minstead crime s 514 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:47,769 We hadn't had 515 00:36:48,032 --> 00:36:50,432 a DNA hit now for about four years at th 516 00:36:50,766 --> 00:36:54,367 so it was significant that we knew it was the Nightstalker 517 00:36:54,567 --> 00:36:56,867 and what that meant was we could draw on further resources 518 00:36:57,233 --> 00:37:01,172 it also gave us a very good break in that we had some CCTV 519 00:37:01,367 --> 00:37:05,927 from a nearby house and that was pretty much one of the first occasions 520 00:37:06,067 --> 00:37:10,266 in the length of the inquiry where we we that it was the actual Nightstalker. 521 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,730 We had the time 522 00:37:11,967 --> 00:37:16,427 that the intruder left the house because the victim told us 523 00:37:16,733 --> 00:37:18,432 we went to the CCTV 524 00:37:18,699 --> 00:37:23,070 and we saw the bottom half of the Nights walking that way. 525 00:37:23,532 --> 00:37:27,833 What we then did is look back on the sam because we thought if he is walking that 526 00:37:27,967 --> 00:37:31,527 he must have walked the other way to get and he had 527 00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:35,632 but what shocked us was how long before it was like 3 hours before. 528 00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:37,726 He had obviously... 529 00:37:37,867 --> 00:37:40,643 been at that scene for a significant amo of time and felt confident enough 530 00:37:40,666 --> 00:37:44,896 to not only be in the vicinity of the Farnaby road address for three hours 531 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,230 he had also done a burglary 2-3 doors do around the corner on the same evening. 532 00:37:51,766 --> 00:37:53,496 Very confident he wouldn't be caught. 533 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,829 And since he'd only spent around about h at most at this house 534 00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:03,132 we know he spent in excess of about two and a half hours 535 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,570 sitting in that back garden, watching th 536 00:38:06,833 --> 00:38:08,472 waiting for the lights to go out 537 00:38:08,632 --> 00:38:12,072 waiting for his time to strike and to br 538 00:38:12,367 --> 00:38:17,726 You can imagine he's just sitting there the windows waiting for is the lights to 539 00:38:18,666 --> 00:38:20,396 the downstairs ones to go out and maybe 540 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,969 the top floor ones come on and go out and then he makes his move. 541 00:38:25,132 --> 00:38:29,972 Somehow that seemed really quite siniste the thought of this man sort of sitting 542 00:38:30,233 --> 00:38:34,802 unseen in the dark in a garden watching people in their own 543 00:38:36,766 --> 00:38:41,226 The investigation had to change directio 544 00:38:41,932 --> 00:38:45,603 We had to change tactics we had to get one step ahead of him. 545 00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:50,802 The only way we were going to catch him was to catch him in the act. 546 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,829 And that's why we had to become a night duty burglary squad 547 00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:55,972 and get out at night time. 548 00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:58,702 Had the police carried on the way they w 549 00:38:59,032 --> 00:39:00,373 before Colin arrived 550 00:39:01,032 --> 00:39:04,302 the Nightstalker would never have been c it was as simple as that. 551 00:39:04,632 --> 00:39:07,503 We were dealing with an evil human being 552 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,199 a ruthless individual. 553 00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:12,333 Two things were certain the Nightstalker would strike again 554 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:17,099 that couldn't continue I had to do everything I could to bring 555 00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:31,472 A large part of being a leader of any team is to make sure that... 556 00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,000 those on the team below you are operatin 557 00:39:34,666 --> 00:39:36,967 to the best of their ability and often that would mean 558 00:39:37,733 --> 00:39:39,809 making sure they are doing the things they are good at 559 00:39:39,833 --> 00:39:42,632 and you're giving the right tasks to the right people. 560 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,099 The proposal to go to Minstead Lite was surprisingly well received. 561 00:39:46,233 --> 00:39:50,432 It depends on the situation whether you' to encounter resistance or not. 562 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,230 If you're going in raking over someone else's work and you tell them 563 00:39:56,367 --> 00:39:59,476 you think they're not doing it properly make sure you're doing it a different wa 564 00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,730 then that's something that is quite infl nobody likes to be in that kind of posit 565 00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:06,367 I think this stage in operation Minstead 566 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,900 everybody was just accepting of the fact 567 00:40:11,833 --> 00:40:15,932 that we weren't coping and if it carried on the way that it was going 568 00:40:16,632 --> 00:40:17,932 it was going to fall over. 569 00:40:18,067 --> 00:40:20,297 I think in terms of the team 570 00:40:20,666 --> 00:40:24,297 they saw it as a great release for them because they were... 571 00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:29,197 struggling under the burden of trying to do this high-level 572 00:40:29,699 --> 00:40:33,699 complete investigation for every single one of these crimes being reported. 573 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,099 Each morning when I went in 574 00:40:38,333 --> 00:40:42,733 there was kind of two streams of informa which might be able to tell me that ther 575 00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:45,867 an incident overnight which was worthy of our attention. 576 00:40:46,699 --> 00:40:51,429 The intelligence team on operation Minst had a search which ran... 577 00:40:51,632 --> 00:40:53,972 overnight every night or early in the mo 578 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:58,670 to see reported crimes not just in Londo actually but in the whole home counties 579 00:40:59,099 --> 00:41:03,670 to see if there were any crimes that sor our criteria so we could flag them up 580 00:41:04,132 --> 00:41:07,873 and then on top of that you had the great awareness 581 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000 that there was within the Met Police particularly in South East London 582 00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,130 as to the possibility of Minstead cases. 583 00:41:15,567 --> 00:41:17,827 There was an offence in June 2009 584 00:41:18,099 --> 00:41:19,969 that chimed 585 00:41:20,166 --> 00:41:23,427 with the team it really struck a chord w about how vulnerable these elderly peopl 586 00:41:23,666 --> 00:41:29,726 There was a report of a burglary on a 93 587 00:41:29,867 --> 00:41:32,827 it was in his favorite hunting ground an 588 00:41:33,233 --> 00:41:37,333 given the age of the victim and the interaction between the victim a 589 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:42,369 the burglar it was clearly going to be something for Minstead to take a l 590 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,869 When I heard about this case I thought 'well if she is very frail and she is th 591 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,630 there were dangers here so I'm going to 592 00:41:50,766 --> 00:41:56,567 make sure we do everything we need to do in case she takes a turn for the w 593 00:41:57,266 --> 00:41:59,626 So, I went down to Shirley where she liv 594 00:42:00,432 --> 00:42:03,733 she lived in a large detached house 595 00:42:03,867 --> 00:42:06,827 in prime to the stock broker belt countr 596 00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:08,726 And there was an elderly lady there 597 00:42:08,867 --> 00:42:11,507 hadn't said anything to the initial investigating officers from the 598 00:42:11,699 --> 00:42:14,329 or any of our officers until Colin arriv 599 00:42:14,567 --> 00:42:15,827 This lady was... 600 00:42:16,932 --> 00:42:20,802 gradually becoming more and more infirm and she'd lost the sight in one eye 601 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:24,070 and her ability was difficult. 602 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,630 I went in and one of the liaison officer 603 00:42:28,766 --> 00:42:30,996 'this is Mr Sutton, he's the boss' 604 00:42:31,132 --> 00:42:33,472 and she said 'Hello Mr Sutton' 605 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,170 and I told her 'you can call me Colin' 606 00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,369 I tried to sort of talk to her and she had this lovely sort... 607 00:42:38,666 --> 00:42:42,297 of cut glass accent almost she was very well spoken lady and... 608 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:49,800 even in the dire position she was she sort of maintained a dignity. 609 00:42:51,632 --> 00:42:56,103 When I said hello to her she extended her hand and I took it 610 00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:59,603 and it wasn't to shake hands it was to h 611 00:42:59,733 --> 00:43:01,972 And whilst she was holding my hand she got her other hand 612 00:43:02,067 --> 00:43:06,626 and sort of put it on top so she was sor onto my hand with both hands 613 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,929 and she pulled me in towards her and almost whispered to me 614 00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,170 'he interfered with me you know' 615 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,500 and I realised in that second the kind o that it had taken her to make that discl 616 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,230 She hadn't told... 617 00:43:24,666 --> 00:43:29,527 the officers that were there before it w the first time we knew she had been assa 618 00:43:29,833 --> 00:43:32,032 She seemed to form a bond with Colin qui 619 00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:35,266 and I know that she held his hand 620 00:43:36,132 --> 00:43:40,302 and she told him, the first person that had been sexually assaulted by the offen 621 00:43:41,099 --> 00:43:43,630 That really that seemed to affect Colin. 622 00:43:43,766 --> 00:43:45,597 I just wanted to cry when she said that 623 00:43:45,733 --> 00:43:47,902 I just felt so so sorry for her 624 00:43:48,632 --> 00:43:52,132 and I kind of remembered that she was on 625 00:43:52,432 --> 00:43:54,472 or a hundred or more who have been throu 626 00:43:54,599 --> 00:44:00,230 It was the first time I had met a live v there and then in her own home. 627 00:44:00,367 --> 00:44:04,467 She only had one living relative and she was a daughter who lived in South Af 628 00:44:04,666 --> 00:44:08,427 She was unable to return at that time and this lady from that day 629 00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:10,139 she essentially stopped eating. 630 00:44:10,233 --> 00:44:12,273 She gave up on living really 631 00:44:12,867 --> 00:44:15,097 and it was only a matter of weeks and sh 632 00:44:15,932 --> 00:44:19,333 I never saw her again her daughter never saw her again. 633 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,929 Because of the difficulties with causati 634 00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:31,269 there was never going to be any realisti prospects of charging the Nightstalker w 635 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:33,469 murder or manslaughter. 636 00:44:34,867 --> 00:44:39,427 But you know he killed her he killed her as surely as if he had stabbed her or sh 637 00:44:41,032 --> 00:44:42,373 It just took a little bit longer. 638 00:44:55,233 --> 00:44:56,902 You've got an offender here... 639 00:44:57,032 --> 00:44:59,112 who is breaking into homes in the middle of the night 640 00:44:59,699 --> 00:45:03,329 waking up his victims by shining a torch into their eyes. 641 00:45:03,567 --> 00:45:07,266 Sexually assaulting them it's not just terrifying for the elderly 642 00:45:07,766 --> 00:45:12,697 but also terrifying for the families of elderly who'd be concerned about their m 643 00:45:12,833 --> 00:45:16,672 It was really often a balance to be stru in terms with publicity about it 644 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,730 because you've got the idea that you're going to arouse... 645 00:45:21,099 --> 00:45:25,130 public fear and make people fear crime more than they ought to 646 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,800 because the chances of it happening to them is quite small but they'll see.. 647 00:45:28,932 --> 00:45:32,432 It in the newspapers and on TV and think 'I'm going to become a victim'. 648 00:45:32,967 --> 00:45:35,597 You have to balance that with the idea that you're going to... 649 00:45:36,166 --> 00:45:41,867 make people more aware and that will make them take better precautions. 650 00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:46,469 You've also got the fact of what is the publicity going to do in terms with the 651 00:45:46,666 --> 00:45:48,867 It could make him go underground it could make him stop. 652 00:45:48,932 --> 00:45:50,503 There was a pattern which emerged 653 00:45:50,632 --> 00:45:52,273 that he would go off the radar 654 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,130 perhaps he got nervous. 655 00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:59,427 There was certainly a theory that one of the Minstead appearances on BBC Crimewat 656 00:45:59,766 --> 00:46:01,996 made him stop offending for a long while 657 00:46:02,132 --> 00:46:06,003 999 call tape was played and it kind of 658 00:46:06,132 --> 00:46:07,733 into realising what he had done. 659 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:18,599 The fact is that if people are determine 660 00:46:18,733 --> 00:46:22,472 to break into a premises to a house any premises 661 00:46:22,833 --> 00:46:26,632 then given enough time and equipment they probably can't. 662 00:46:26,967 --> 00:46:29,027 Most of the security 663 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:33,130 that you can equip your house with is about delaying 664 00:46:33,733 --> 00:46:37,432 it's things that take time and the hope 665 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,230 while the person who is trying to break in is spending a lot of time, then... 666 00:46:42,532 --> 00:46:43,702 they might be seen 667 00:46:44,166 --> 00:46:46,567 and someone will call the police and... 668 00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:48,327 they might be intercepted. 669 00:46:48,467 --> 00:46:53,827 But it is very difficult to make a house completely impregnable to... 670 00:46:54,067 --> 00:46:58,297 a burglar, certainly many of the houses that the Nightstalker 671 00:46:58,532 --> 00:47:02,603 selected as his victims had very little spent on them. 672 00:47:04,733 --> 00:47:08,333 One offense that I remember quite well w that there was an offense on the 6th of 673 00:47:08,733 --> 00:47:11,773 2009 in Queenhill Road which is in South 674 00:47:12,067 --> 00:47:13,766 just off Selsdon High Street. 675 00:47:14,266 --> 00:47:17,427 It was a Saturday afternoon in early Jun 676 00:47:17,766 --> 00:47:19,666 it was the home of an 82 year old woman 677 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,070 she was living alone in a semi detached 678 00:47:23,432 --> 00:47:25,472 she suffered quite badly from dementia 679 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:30,599 and she was having real difficulties in expressing to the officers what had happ 680 00:47:31,032 --> 00:47:32,773 While we knew there had been an intruder 681 00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:36,500 the lady who lived here on her own she c give us any more details beyond that 682 00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,670 so we didn't really know if anything had 683 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,500 we didn't if she had been assaulted if there was any sexual assault. 684 00:47:41,632 --> 00:47:42,702 It was very regular... 685 00:47:42,833 --> 00:47:45,003 that he would target people who had deme 686 00:47:45,532 --> 00:47:47,003 I personally think deliberately 687 00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:50,429 but as you can imagine a lot of elderly do have dementia 688 00:47:50,932 --> 00:47:53,202 and it makes it extremely difficult for 689 00:47:53,532 --> 00:47:56,802 to get any information from them to help identify the offender. 690 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,030 At the time there was an extension being built on this house 691 00:48:00,367 --> 00:48:03,527 in the next street it was like a buildin site there effectively 692 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,099 and he was able to get through there, it 693 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,400 into the back garden of this house 694 00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:12,003 and it's from there that he removed the pane of glass and broke in. 695 00:48:12,367 --> 00:48:16,697 It was roughly on this spot here that Na my DI and I had a conversation. 696 00:48:17,367 --> 00:48:19,226 We had officers all around this street 697 00:48:19,367 --> 00:48:21,509 investigating this break in and we didn't really know what... 698 00:48:21,532 --> 00:48:23,472 had happened because the victim couldn't 699 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:28,699 They were weary they had been responding to about 2-3 offenses a night 700 00:48:29,032 --> 00:48:31,773 for most of that week and we were just chasing shadows. 701 00:48:32,266 --> 00:48:35,626 Almost simultaneously Nathan and I said 'we can't keep doing this...' 702 00:48:35,766 --> 00:48:40,327 His offending had increased massively we had a large area of South East London 703 00:48:42,132 --> 00:48:43,603 two million people live in that area 704 00:48:43,733 --> 00:48:47,802 but we knew the areas he favoured and I 705 00:48:47,932 --> 00:48:49,702 as did everybody else on the team 706 00:48:50,166 --> 00:48:52,896 that if we had enough resources 707 00:48:53,032 --> 00:48:56,632 that we would be able to target the area that he liked to offend in the most. 708 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,900 I'd had these sort of half ideas that re some sort of proactive operation was... 709 00:49:02,467 --> 00:49:04,097 going to have to be the answer 710 00:49:04,467 --> 00:49:08,297 and I also knew that I would need a lot both from those on the team below me 711 00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:12,273 and indeed a lot of support from those a me if we were going to do it properly. 712 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,900 Everything that the operation had been d for most of these 17 years was focused o 713 00:49:18,233 --> 00:49:22,932 Major plank of what they were trying to achieve was to take swabs 714 00:49:23,532 --> 00:49:26,003 from as many people on the list as possi 715 00:49:26,132 --> 00:49:29,172 until they took a swab from the right ma and everything would be fine. 716 00:49:31,067 --> 00:49:32,666 I took the view that wasn't going to hap 717 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,000 So we had to do something else and that something else didn't involve.. 718 00:49:37,733 --> 00:49:41,733 Doing an investigation of offenses after they had happened 719 00:49:42,099 --> 00:49:44,809 because quite frankly we had been doing for years and it hadn't worked. 720 00:49:44,833 --> 00:49:47,472 We needed something new we needed a different approach. 721 00:49:47,699 --> 00:49:49,429 A different approach had to be 722 00:49:50,099 --> 00:49:53,500 Surveillance waiting for this prolific b 723 00:49:53,766 --> 00:49:56,496 to come and commit an offense in front o 724 00:49:56,733 --> 00:49:58,172 and catch him in the act. 725 00:50:03,266 --> 00:50:06,827 When I went across to Lewisham Police St 726 00:50:07,032 --> 00:50:11,603 begin my review of Operation Minstead and I really didn't know anybody at all 727 00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:14,699 Nathan was the first Police officer I spoke to on Minstead 728 00:50:14,833 --> 00:50:18,932 he was supremely supportive of me 729 00:50:19,067 --> 00:50:23,067 and gave me his backing to everything I was trying to do really 730 00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:25,230 and I tried to repay that by keeping 731 00:50:25,367 --> 00:50:27,496 the pressure from above away from him so 732 00:50:27,632 --> 00:50:30,242 he could get on and do his job and manag his team the way that he did. 733 00:50:30,266 --> 00:50:33,666 By the kind of end of September beginning of October 2009 734 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,829 we were planning a very large proactive in an attempt to catch the Nightstalker 735 00:50:38,132 --> 00:50:41,532 where we discussed the resources that were required 736 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,500 and obviously we had to get approval for the operational plan. 737 00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:48,773 In the past I had been involved with a b you know when I was a PC at Tottenham. 738 00:50:48,967 --> 00:50:51,996 A guy called 'Errol Dobson' he would take people's windows out. 739 00:50:52,532 --> 00:50:53,733 He wasn't sophisticated 740 00:50:53,867 --> 00:50:57,666 and we could just round up a dozen or tw 741 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,400 and sit and wait for him to commit the crime right in front of us. 742 00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:04,097 The principle was the same with what we was trying to do with the Nightstalke 743 00:51:04,233 --> 00:51:07,472 but he was so much cleverer he was so much more cunning 744 00:51:08,099 --> 00:51:10,400 and he was doing over such a big area 745 00:51:10,766 --> 00:51:14,597 that we needed to have our tactics and our resources refined 746 00:51:14,833 --> 00:51:16,773 in the same way if we were going to matc 747 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,199 I knew that if I was going to do this su operation the way I wanted 748 00:51:21,333 --> 00:51:24,202 I needed some help from all across the M 749 00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:27,630 So what I did was a I booked a meeting r at Scotland Yard 750 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,199 to see some people 751 00:51:30,733 --> 00:51:32,202 of equivalent rank to me. 752 00:51:32,632 --> 00:51:36,072 I sent out an email to a dozen or so of 753 00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:37,929 'can you come to a meeting at Scotland Y 754 00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,000 When I get there, there was probably twice that number of people 755 00:51:41,233 --> 00:51:44,172 and I think that was really encouraging because certainly... 756 00:51:44,699 --> 00:51:49,500 my view from the time I'd been there I'd actually Minstead was a little bit of a 757 00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:53,099 that people got sort of shoved into and nobody really cared about. 758 00:51:53,367 --> 00:51:54,697 We went to the meeting 759 00:51:54,833 --> 00:51:56,603 Colin was able to persuade them that the 760 00:51:56,766 --> 00:52:00,567 looked like a good one we were essential against an open door in relation to the. 761 00:52:00,766 --> 00:52:01,967 Senior echelons of... 762 00:52:02,132 --> 00:52:03,932 the Met Police service. 763 00:52:04,067 --> 00:52:07,297 It was just a case of 'did we have the r with the resources we wanted?' 764 00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:09,867 I presented it without a... 765 00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,800 power point presentation without graphs or whatever 766 00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,000 I just kind of said 'this is happening now' 767 00:52:18,067 --> 00:52:26,067 'we are in the midst of the most prolifi of Minstead Man's activity in 17 years' 768 00:52:27,367 --> 00:52:30,766 'I've had a 93-year-old tell me he inter 769 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,070 'I have an 88-year-old lady who is going 770 00:52:35,766 --> 00:52:37,166 'we need to stop it' 771 00:52:37,666 --> 00:52:39,226 What it took was guts 772 00:52:39,567 --> 00:52:44,367 because you are talking about putting huge amounts of resources 773 00:52:44,833 --> 00:52:48,702 onto the streets and the cost of that would be astronomical. 774 00:52:49,067 --> 00:52:50,396 Part of the operational plan 775 00:52:50,733 --> 00:52:54,132 was to have surveillance teams and observation points 776 00:52:54,266 --> 00:52:56,827 in areas where the Nightstalker was acti 777 00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:59,670 The first step on the road to the... 778 00:52:59,867 --> 00:53:03,967 surveillance operation really was to work out where we were going to do it 779 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:06,369 Colin wanted to draw up an area 780 00:53:06,833 --> 00:53:08,972 which could feasibly be watched 781 00:53:09,699 --> 00:53:11,630 by a dragnet operation. 782 00:53:11,766 --> 00:53:14,797 Initially when the intelligence analyst started looking at this 783 00:53:14,932 --> 00:53:16,902 produced the very first map and it was h 784 00:53:17,132 --> 00:53:18,373 so we had to refine it. 785 00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:20,099 So, we went back to the drawing board... 786 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,170 again and we found another area still in that Shirley Cluster 787 00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:24,900 but in a smaller area 788 00:53:25,032 --> 00:53:29,632 Even so, something like one in every six Minstead offenses took place in the area 789 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:34,969 and that was a smaller area we were able with we thought around about 70 officers 790 00:53:35,099 --> 00:53:36,530 So that was the plan 791 00:53:36,733 --> 00:53:40,273 which was hatched and that was the plan I took to the force tasking group. 792 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,199 As a result of that meeting a call went 793 00:53:43,532 --> 00:53:46,373 across the Met all the murder teams, ask 794 00:53:46,733 --> 00:53:48,572 DCs to go over and 795 00:53:48,699 --> 00:53:50,800 work on the case and I volunteered to go 796 00:53:50,932 --> 00:53:53,472 it was a case I wanted to get involved i 797 00:53:53,833 --> 00:53:57,373 He had the backing of the commissioner Paul Stevenson at the time 798 00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:00,829 And it had the backing of the senior management team. 799 00:54:00,967 --> 00:54:04,266 However, if it resulted in no one being 800 00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,869 then a huge bill for overtime being subm 801 00:54:08,166 --> 00:54:12,666 and there was only one person who was go to get the blame and that would have bee 802 00:54:24,833 --> 00:54:26,873 When the proactive operation began 803 00:54:27,099 --> 00:54:28,769 28th of October 804 00:54:28,967 --> 00:54:33,697 it was ran from a very large control roo in Vauxhall and it was called Central 30 805 00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,570 It's an absolute state of the art facili 806 00:54:36,733 --> 00:54:39,432 that its primarily used for... 807 00:54:39,867 --> 00:54:43,097 very serious things like terrorist or kidnap incidents. 808 00:54:43,233 --> 00:54:49,373 It is essentially a large room with lots of desk consoles with computers 809 00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,170 telephones with radio channels on them 810 00:54:52,367 --> 00:54:57,396 and a long one wall is a bank of I think is about 18 screens. 811 00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,530 There was a surveillance control 812 00:54:59,932 --> 00:55:03,402 there was operational control which eith myself or Colin were running 813 00:55:03,833 --> 00:55:06,132 and there were other officers monitoring 814 00:55:06,367 --> 00:55:11,597 in the control room so there is probably people in the control room at any one ti 815 00:55:11,932 --> 00:55:15,202 You have a very large number of officers out on the streets 816 00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:20,829 and we had Minstead officers that were g to monitor addresses that we had alarms 817 00:55:21,166 --> 00:55:23,367 Everybody was static 818 00:55:23,632 --> 00:55:25,802 tucked away in a place where 819 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,769 anybody walking or driving through the a 820 00:55:29,099 --> 00:55:30,800 would have just no chance of seeing them 821 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:35,070 And to back that up apart from we had air support as well 822 00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,130 but we had a mobile surveillance team 823 00:55:38,666 --> 00:55:43,666 that was situated outside the area we were surveilling. 824 00:55:43,833 --> 00:55:47,972 The reason for that was that if we stopp 825 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,099 four people during the course of the investigation 826 00:55:51,233 --> 00:55:53,432 that weren't the Nightstalker 827 00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:58,400 that word would get on the grapevine tha were doing a big operation there 828 00:55:58,766 --> 00:56:03,396 and it would effectively blow the surveillance it would be no good any 829 00:56:03,766 --> 00:56:05,396 The night shift would start 830 00:56:05,532 --> 00:56:07,902 with a briefing at Lewisham police stati 831 00:56:08,032 --> 00:56:10,952 and there would be about 70 police offic including the surveillance teams. 832 00:56:11,233 --> 00:56:12,873 We'd be given an update on the case 833 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,030 Either myself or Colin 834 00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:16,027 would brief what was expected of them 835 00:56:16,166 --> 00:56:19,527 and what their roles were what to do in the event of anything happ 836 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,199 I was allocated 837 00:56:21,333 --> 00:56:24,532 the role of being in a mobile unit in a 838 00:56:24,666 --> 00:56:26,827 and I was with two other officers in the 839 00:56:26,967 --> 00:56:31,396 but out of sight and to be in radio cont with the rest of the team 840 00:56:31,567 --> 00:56:33,766 And then they would be sent to their operational areas 841 00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,130 with the right communication and the right assets and resources. 842 00:56:37,532 --> 00:56:39,873 And everybody goes down to Shirley 843 00:56:40,266 --> 00:56:43,867 they are in their OP's by 11pm. 844 00:56:44,432 --> 00:56:47,972 I'm at Central 3000 with the inside team 845 00:56:48,266 --> 00:56:53,666 waiting for this prolific burglar to com commit an offense in front of our eyes. 846 00:57:23,833 --> 00:57:27,273 Than the time came, started to get light thought 'well he's never going to come' 847 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,329 And nothing happened essentially. 848 00:57:29,967 --> 00:57:31,396 Very little movement all night. 849 00:57:31,532 --> 00:57:37,103 One or two vehicles passed by no pedestrians and we all go home. 850 00:57:41,932 --> 00:57:44,833 First night of surveillance passed throu 851 00:57:45,367 --> 00:57:47,567 we thought without an incident. Nothing Happened. 852 00:57:48,132 --> 00:57:50,873 It wasn't until I got back into Lewisham the next morning 853 00:57:51,532 --> 00:57:54,833 that I found out overnight there had been three burglaries 854 00:57:55,067 --> 00:57:57,797 which we thought were almost certainly Nightstalker jobs. 855 00:57:58,099 --> 00:57:59,570 And those... 856 00:57:59,867 --> 00:58:05,027 offenses had happened just outside the boundary of our surveillance operati 857 00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:06,630 The first two... 858 00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:11,400 were in this road here the first of those was an attempt where. 859 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,400 He failed for once to get the glass out didn't manage to get in 860 00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:18,500 so he tried again at another house just down the road. 861 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:24,429 Now the annoying thing about this is that this location here is literally 862 00:58:24,932 --> 00:58:28,202 a hundred yards north of where our surveillance area started. 863 00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:34,230 He was that close to us on the very first night and we missed him. 864 00:58:34,367 --> 00:58:38,067 But there was more to it than that becau the third burglary 865 00:58:38,666 --> 00:58:44,396 took place about a mile in that directio just down by the Royal Bethlem Hospital. 866 00:58:44,632 --> 00:58:49,003 The only way that the Nightstalker could have got from this burglary here 867 00:58:49,367 --> 00:58:54,097 to the 3rd one down there was right thro where we were doing our surveillance. 868 00:58:54,666 --> 00:59:01,726 It was a vehicle must have been used. Yo walk from the second to the third burgla 869 00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:03,730 And when you looked at the map 870 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,630 the only logical way to drive that journ would be straight down our plot. 871 00:59:10,699 --> 00:59:14,429 Now there was a school that had CCTV on 872 00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:20,769 and there were a couple of frames that s a vehicle going past at about the right 873 00:59:21,099 --> 00:59:24,670 Although it was a very grainy shot it just showed the top of the car 874 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,969 we were able to show that to the experts and they were able to identify 875 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,570 that it was a Vauxhall Zafira and what sort of model and the colour. 876 00:59:34,699 --> 00:59:38,730 They also found a man who used to work for the Metropolitan police actually. 877 00:59:38,867 --> 00:59:46,297 He lived on Orchard Way and he had his own CCTV on his own cars in the drive. 878 00:59:46,532 --> 00:59:50,172 There was enough to show a car parking u 879 00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,199 adjacent to where somebody would have gone to commit the third burglary 880 00:59:56,067 --> 00:59:58,067 and even at one point his footage showed 881 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,130 somebody walking around the car. 882 01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:05,070 All of a sudden we knew what sort of car what make and model and colour 883 01:00:05,766 --> 01:00:09,297 that was driven by the Nightstalker and that appeared a huge step forward 884 01:00:09,432 --> 01:00:13,302 but I had to kind of temper the optimism 885 01:00:13,833 --> 01:00:19,132 I'd been there before in other cases and knowing the make model and color of a ca 886 01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:23,699 is a start but it can mean a whole load 887 01:00:24,132 --> 01:00:27,873 beyond that to try and find that one car and to use it evidentially. 888 01:00:28,532 --> 01:00:30,802 And what I did know was that if we were going to do that 889 01:00:30,932 --> 01:00:32,773 we wasn't going to have time to do the s 890 01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:38,730 it was kind of or the resources either a on finding the car or doing the surveill 891 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,199 Having worked with Colin 892 01:00:41,567 --> 01:00:44,067 I knew him and trusted him and... 893 01:00:44,867 --> 01:00:49,726 had faith in what he was doing and could the logic behind his thought process 894 01:00:52,367 --> 01:00:55,867 and wanted it to work and believed it wo 895 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,030 you know that kept the whole thing going. 896 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,429 We're doing the surveillance that's our main choice. 897 01:01:05,233 --> 01:01:06,672 After the investigation 898 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,230 that took place when I first joined the 899 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,500 was that the Nightstalker was 900 01:01:11,632 --> 01:01:14,072 stealing victims cash point cards 901 01:01:14,233 --> 01:01:16,873 and then going to a nearby cashpoint 902 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,429 and using the card to withdraw money. 903 01:01:19,567 --> 01:01:21,567 When he started in 1992 904 01:01:21,867 --> 01:01:24,527 all pensioners got their state pension 905 01:01:24,833 --> 01:01:27,032 with a book at the post office in cash. 906 01:01:27,266 --> 01:01:32,396 But then obviously technology came along people had bank cards to prevent cash be 907 01:01:32,532 --> 01:01:34,702 What he did was he started taking their 908 01:01:34,833 --> 01:01:37,702 and most of them were so frightened or t 909 01:01:37,833 --> 01:01:40,373 by him that they gave him their PIN numb 910 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:45,599 After he had committed his rapes he went bank and withdrew money. 911 01:01:45,733 --> 01:01:47,103 One of the areas we targeted 912 01:01:47,233 --> 01:01:50,672 for the main surveillance operation was a cash point in Honor Oak 913 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,429 which was attached to an off license. 914 01:01:52,567 --> 01:01:55,697 The relevance of that was that in 2007 915 01:01:55,833 --> 01:02:00,273 the Nightstalker had used that cash poin with victims credit cards 916 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,699 to get money out of their accounts. 917 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,699 We were pretty certain it was him but th was no detail they weren't able to assis 918 01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:14,302 It was such a disappointment 919 01:02:14,967 --> 01:02:17,666 he had obviously wanted to keep himself just as secure 920 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,900 from any cameras around the cash point 921 01:02:20,032 --> 01:02:22,532 as he did when he went in to commit the 922 01:02:22,733 --> 01:02:25,733 As the 2009 proactive operation 923 01:02:26,032 --> 01:02:28,472 began to gather pace we decided to 924 01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:31,300 get some better quality cameras fitted 925 01:02:31,632 --> 01:02:34,132 around that area in Honor Oak. 926 01:02:34,467 --> 01:02:37,427 As a result of that we got some really g 927 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,599 of the Nightstalker when he came from 928 01:02:39,766 --> 01:02:43,896 two addresses with the victims credit ca and attempted to withdraw cash. 929 01:02:44,032 --> 01:02:46,273 Unfortunately we didn't see his face 930 01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,730 but there is some excellent detail in th 931 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,199 his height and build which gave us really good intelligence. 932 01:02:55,833 --> 01:02:58,202 A couple of nights after this 933 01:02:58,500 --> 01:02:59,969 there is another attempt 934 01:03:00,099 --> 01:03:03,329 to use a stolen debit card at a cash mac 935 01:03:03,632 --> 01:03:07,132 The cash machine this time was at a branch of HSBC bank 936 01:03:07,266 --> 01:03:09,467 that was then on the corner of Western R 937 01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:13,869 The local police had been round and public appeal posters 938 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,599 about operation Minstead 939 01:03:16,032 --> 01:03:18,802 with an e-fit on of Minstead Man 940 01:03:19,166 --> 01:03:21,266 and the bank being public spirited 941 01:03:22,333 --> 01:03:24,103 had put one of these posters in their wi 942 01:03:24,467 --> 01:03:26,496 and the poster in the window was literal 943 01:03:26,632 --> 01:03:28,672 three feet away from the cash machine. 944 01:03:28,932 --> 01:03:32,472 So you've got Minstead man standing ther 945 01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:35,269 trying to steal money from one of his victims accounts 946 01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:37,532 and just there by his head 947 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,570 is an e-fit of him staring at himself. 948 01:03:40,867 --> 01:03:42,367 As it turned out 949 01:03:42,632 --> 01:03:46,172 previously, he didn't need to worry beca he looked nothing like the e-fit. 950 01:03:48,467 --> 01:03:50,027 That's all I'm going to say about that. 951 01:04:00,032 --> 01:04:01,932 That first night was 952 01:04:02,067 --> 01:04:06,496 for all intents and purposes quite quiet all of us involved in the investigation. 953 01:04:06,733 --> 01:04:09,103 When we went in for the second night of surveillance 954 01:04:09,233 --> 01:04:10,873 it occurred to us that 955 01:04:11,032 --> 01:04:13,532 the reason we hadn't been aware of these 956 01:04:13,666 --> 01:04:19,027 occurring the night before is that we we monitoring the CAD messages live. 957 01:04:19,166 --> 01:04:21,996 CAD is shorthand for Computer Aided Disp 958 01:04:22,132 --> 01:04:23,972 essentially it's just electronic message 959 01:04:24,099 --> 01:04:27,269 They get passed between police stations and police operational units 960 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,829 and from the center which is New Scotlan 961 01:04:30,067 --> 01:04:34,327 On the second night of the new proactive there was an interesting development. 962 01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:35,829 We picked up a CAD 963 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,670 from Lambeth and what had taken place wa 964 01:04:39,833 --> 01:04:46,373 woman had been in bed when she heard wha thought was somebody going through her s 965 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,369 She was certain it was somebody trying to break into her house. 966 01:04:49,567 --> 01:04:50,896 She dialled 999 967 01:04:51,032 --> 01:04:54,003 the call was dealt with the sort of seriousness and priority 968 01:04:54,132 --> 01:04:58,972 that it should had been uniformed office were dispatched to the address. 969 01:04:59,099 --> 01:05:03,699 He came into her room saw her on the pho took it from her threw it away and ran. 970 01:05:04,367 --> 01:05:08,827 And he ran down the road as quickly as h and a police car came out of the T junct 971 01:05:09,567 --> 01:05:14,367 and they drove up towards it and he veer off down the side of a house down an all 972 01:05:14,833 --> 01:05:18,972 where the car couldn't go so an officer the car young officer a fit officer 973 01:05:19,532 --> 01:05:20,902 and he gave chase. 974 01:05:21,032 --> 01:05:23,376 It was an incredible account he chased him for nearly two miles 975 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,530 through streets parks rivers and over walls and fences. 976 01:05:27,666 --> 01:05:32,067 And eventually over a wall and into a carpark of a megastore 977 01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:35,599 and when the officer came over the wall he couldn't see. 978 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,199 Where this figure he had been chasing ha 979 01:05:39,833 --> 01:05:41,273 he had got away. 980 01:05:41,733 --> 01:05:45,032 But we were that close that close we were ten seconds behind 981 01:05:45,733 --> 01:05:47,032 Minstead Man at one point. 982 01:05:47,367 --> 01:05:49,097 I remember one of my colleagues telling. 983 01:05:49,233 --> 01:05:51,242 It was incredulous he couldn't believe he had gotten away 984 01:05:51,266 --> 01:05:53,987 that by the time he had gotten to top of the wall he had disappeared. 985 01:05:54,266 --> 01:05:55,266 You could hear a pin drop 986 01:05:55,632 --> 01:05:58,632 in there it was a very very tense moment for the people 987 01:05:59,099 --> 01:06:03,030 at the controls thinking any second 988 01:06:04,132 --> 01:06:07,833 we might actually have him he might actu be in the custody with a police officer. 989 01:06:08,032 --> 01:06:09,402 But of course it didn't happen. 990 01:06:09,567 --> 01:06:13,027 From that we realised that the Nightstalker must be a very fit 991 01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:17,333 man who is able to run quickly and for quite a long time. 992 01:06:17,833 --> 01:06:20,932 What could happen? Well he could just stop he could go to g 993 01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:24,929 he could just give up he could say to hi 994 01:06:26,266 --> 01:06:27,266 'you've had a good run 995 01:06:27,467 --> 01:06:29,067 you're going to get caught if you keep g 996 01:06:29,132 --> 01:06:31,003 you better stop now' and he might never 997 01:06:31,132 --> 01:06:33,972 Colin wanted to keep it out of the press because he didn't want to 998 01:06:34,132 --> 01:06:35,932 risk the suspect 999 01:06:36,067 --> 01:06:39,367 going to ground and then us losing the opportunity to actually catch him. 1000 01:06:39,532 --> 01:06:41,672 I had a reasonable enough relationship 1001 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,630 with Colin to ring him up and he was at 1002 01:06:44,766 --> 01:06:48,797 great pains to say 'please desist from publishing this stor 1003 01:06:49,032 --> 01:06:52,833 There was a possibility that it could drive him undercover. 1004 01:06:53,099 --> 01:06:54,869 Obviously we weren't to be aware 1005 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,900 at that point of the huge operation that had been launched by the police 1006 01:06:59,367 --> 01:07:00,697 to try and find him. 1007 01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:04,030 Immediately after the second night when 1008 01:07:04,532 --> 01:07:05,902 he was almost caught in Southwark 1009 01:07:06,032 --> 01:07:10,902 we had a two week period where there was absolutely quiet 1010 01:07:11,032 --> 01:07:14,273 silence no indication that he was about on the streets 1011 01:07:14,532 --> 01:07:16,003 no calls 1012 01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:19,126 no information whatsoever we were concer that he had gone to ground 1013 01:07:19,266 --> 01:07:22,027 which obviously gave us indication that it was him that was chased. 1014 01:07:22,467 --> 01:07:24,266 I was absolutely confident 1015 01:07:24,632 --> 01:07:28,702 that if we stayed there eventually he wo back and commit a crime right in front o 1016 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,329 I just couldn't put a time limit on that 1017 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,099 I was going to keep my nerve 1018 01:07:34,233 --> 01:07:35,873 the team were ready to keep their nerve 1019 01:07:36,032 --> 01:07:39,972 it was a question to me as to whether th would sanction it to keep going. 1020 01:07:40,367 --> 01:07:41,766 I was encouraged 1021 01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:44,730 by the senior management of the MPS who essentially held their nerve 1022 01:07:45,032 --> 01:07:48,972 and stayed with it but we were very conc that he could seriously injure or kill s 1023 01:07:49,099 --> 01:07:51,842 so obviously that was one of the factors that had to be taken into account. 1024 01:07:51,867 --> 01:07:55,766 So we kept going and so we'd now done 1025 01:07:56,367 --> 01:08:01,467 16 nights and from a personal point of v it was absolutely fatiguing. 1026 01:08:02,233 --> 01:08:04,072 In the two week period afterwards 1027 01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:06,329 I wasn't available I was on a course at 1028 01:08:06,467 --> 01:08:11,896 so Colin was running the operational sid in Central 3000 so he was on his own 1029 01:08:12,333 --> 01:08:14,902 So for two weeks he couldn't help me out at the control 1030 01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,100 or at Lewisham during the day 1031 01:08:17,766 --> 01:08:21,667 so I'm doing the briefing at 9-9.30 at L going in and doing 1032 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,199 effectively a night duty until half 5-6 in the morning 1033 01:08:26,332 --> 01:08:28,672 going home for a few hours to sleep 1034 01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,529 and back in to Lewisham at 9 for the bri 1035 01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,170 The surveillance went on for a couple of 1036 01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:38,529 But despite the time it was taking I still had faith in Colin and that 1037 01:08:39,067 --> 01:08:41,127 that the operation was going to be succe 1038 01:08:41,899 --> 01:08:44,630 Surveillance work can be sometimes quite 1039 01:08:44,766 --> 01:08:48,426 boring really because for most of the time nothing happens 1040 01:08:48,867 --> 01:08:50,966 but you can't afford to take the chance 1041 01:08:51,266 --> 01:08:56,867 falling asleep you've got to be alert an We really wanted to get hands on this gu 1042 01:08:57,067 --> 01:09:01,327 and we were all behind Colin and support 1043 01:09:02,932 --> 01:09:04,903 his plans really to keep it going. 1044 01:09:12,932 --> 01:09:15,502 I finished my course on Friday 13th of N 1045 01:09:15,667 --> 01:09:17,367 I realised he was probably exhausted 1046 01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,170 so I offered to do the weekend and potentially the week after that 1047 01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,199 so I was up there on Friday the 13th in 1048 01:09:23,332 --> 01:09:25,703 I said well you know I'm sorted out toni 1049 01:09:25,832 --> 01:09:28,573 but come in on Saturday do Saturday and 1050 01:09:28,867 --> 01:09:31,197 and I can have two days off which would 1051 01:09:31,966 --> 01:09:38,667 That Saturday night I stayed at home for 1052 01:09:38,966 --> 01:09:41,197 and watched the football had a glass of wine or whiskey 1053 01:09:41,332 --> 01:09:44,972 or something and it was sort of relaxing and I need to catch up on my sleep. 1054 01:09:49,699 --> 01:09:53,529 We started at the normal time on the 14th of November at 11pm 1055 01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:55,930 and it was a pretty quiet evening from m 1056 01:09:56,067 --> 01:10:00,127 nothing particularly exciting happening at the cash points or the other areas. 1057 01:10:01,367 --> 01:10:03,027 And then in the early hours 1058 01:10:03,167 --> 01:10:06,627 we got a call over the radio from one of the officers from the observation poi 1059 01:10:06,766 --> 01:10:08,627 The Vauxhall Zafira was seen 1060 01:10:08,766 --> 01:10:11,567 nearby old peoples type housing 1061 01:10:11,733 --> 01:10:15,002 from one of the observation points and that had been put up to the whole te 1062 01:10:15,132 --> 01:10:18,203 Soon after that a man fitting the description of the Nightstalker 1063 01:10:18,332 --> 01:10:20,703 was seen running from one of these house 1064 01:10:20,832 --> 01:10:23,302 The suspect running towards a Vauxhall Z 1065 01:10:23,533 --> 01:10:27,233 was exceptionally important to us becaus we had identified prior to that night 1066 01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:30,069 that the Nightstalker was using a type b Vauxhall Zafira. 1067 01:10:30,233 --> 01:10:32,372 So as far as we were concerned, game on. 1068 01:10:32,733 --> 01:10:34,233 And he got in his Zafira 1069 01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:36,199 the lights came on and he drove off. 1070 01:10:38,699 --> 01:10:45,500 He drives off up Orchard way where there a lot of static observation posts. 1071 01:10:45,899 --> 01:10:49,670 The plan was not to stop anybody or to arrest anybody 1072 01:10:49,932 --> 01:10:54,203 here on the plot because if it was the w 1073 01:10:54,432 --> 01:10:59,403 then we would probably have details of our surveillance operation leak out. 1074 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,199 An officer or two from the OP went to the actual address he was seen coming fr 1075 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,100 and the information I received 1076 01:11:05,233 --> 01:11:07,872 back in the control room was that it loo like that address had been 1077 01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:09,399 attempted to be forced. 1078 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:14,399 In my mind I'm thinking well he's not a resident of this address 1079 01:11:14,533 --> 01:11:18,472 so he is likely to be a burglar hence the Nightstalker. 1080 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,470 The Nightstalker was driving quite quickly for some of this 1081 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,899 he got up to nearly 60 miles per hour in 1082 01:11:24,033 --> 01:11:27,603 I'm convinced and so are the rest of the that he knew he was being followed 1083 01:11:28,266 --> 01:11:30,896 and that he essentially tried to get away by speeding. 1084 01:11:31,432 --> 01:11:34,573 What the surveillance team were able to do was somebody using his local knowl 1085 01:11:34,699 --> 01:11:36,000 took a side turning 1086 01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:37,500 and went on ahead of him 1087 01:11:37,632 --> 01:11:41,132 to slow him down which enabled the follo 1088 01:11:41,266 --> 01:11:44,197 surveillance team to catch up. 1089 01:11:44,533 --> 01:11:48,672 By now we have a convoy of about 4 polic 1090 01:11:48,966 --> 01:11:53,827 and one of those vehicles is equipped with covert blue lights and sirens. 1091 01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:55,729 He couldn't know 1092 01:11:55,966 --> 01:12:00,197 that when we stopped him it was because we followed him all the way from Shirley 1093 01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:05,703 We just wanted him to think it was a ran stop in the street so that if it was the 1094 01:12:06,367 --> 01:12:08,896 then we wouldn't jeopardize the surveillance operation. 1095 01:12:09,033 --> 01:12:10,203 You can see were on a 1096 01:12:10,832 --> 01:12:13,773 reasonably wide and busy main road 1097 01:12:13,932 --> 01:12:16,372 and that's fine because we can keep cont 1098 01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:22,899 but then the Zafira indicates and turns left onto a very different roa 1099 01:12:23,567 --> 01:12:26,127 The character of the buildings changed and suddenly 1100 01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:28,199 we're on a residential street. 1101 01:12:28,332 --> 01:12:30,502 It's very much the sort of place 1102 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,130 where the Nightstalker would make his at 1103 01:12:35,033 --> 01:12:36,733 So a decision was made to stop 1104 01:12:36,867 --> 01:12:39,743 him there and then so he couldn't get aw get out of the vehicle and do a runner. 1105 01:12:39,766 --> 01:12:41,896 It became an easy decision for Nathan to 1106 01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:43,132 'strike now'. 1107 01:12:47,932 --> 01:12:50,002 It was utter confusion when he gets stop 1108 01:12:50,132 --> 01:12:52,903 I phoned one of the operational Minstead sergeants 1109 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,630 and I asked him to find out what was goi 1110 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,800 had he been spoken to, who was this man? 1111 01:12:57,932 --> 01:13:01,632 Get some information off of him so that we didn't make an unnecessary ar 1112 01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:05,630 The officer asked him a few questions th led him to believe that we had 1113 01:13:06,432 --> 01:13:09,703 a person who was very likely to be the N 1114 01:13:09,832 --> 01:13:14,502 And the officer asked him and he said his name was Kelvin Grant 1115 01:13:14,699 --> 01:13:17,869 the officer said 'Ok, have you got any I and he said 'no' 1116 01:13:18,567 --> 01:13:20,697 and he started to have a look and he saw 1117 01:13:20,832 --> 01:13:23,033 he could see that in the center console 1118 01:13:23,332 --> 01:13:28,002 there was some cards and he saw the name on there was Delroy Easton Grant. 1119 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,329 Some of the clothing from... 1120 01:13:30,466 --> 01:13:32,226 I think it was in August 2009 1121 01:13:32,367 --> 01:13:35,296 that he wore when he approached the cash with his hood up and 1122 01:13:35,432 --> 01:13:36,533 gloves on etcetera 1123 01:13:36,667 --> 01:13:38,627 that clothing was found in his car 1124 01:13:38,766 --> 01:13:41,627 direct link from images found at the cas 1125 01:13:41,766 --> 01:13:42,827 to his arrest. 1126 01:13:42,966 --> 01:13:45,266 When they looked in the glove compartmen 1127 01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:48,430 there was sort a balaclava/woollen hat 1128 01:13:48,567 --> 01:13:54,926 which fitted the description given by so many victims after the crimes 1129 01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:58,899 when they looked in the boot there was even more evidence because 1130 01:13:59,167 --> 01:14:01,226 there was a grey 1131 01:14:01,832 --> 01:14:05,533 fleecy top, a can of petrol pair of shoes, a crowbar 1132 01:14:05,832 --> 01:14:07,302 and a big screwdriver. 1133 01:14:07,733 --> 01:14:10,103 The Nightstalker was finally stopped 1134 01:14:10,332 --> 01:14:15,273 and the handcuffs were put on him and we to identify him as Delroy Grant. 1135 01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:20,930 Delroy Grant was arrested. 1136 01:14:28,699 --> 01:14:31,600 About half past one, my mobile rang and 1137 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,329 and he uttered the immortal words 1138 01:14:35,533 --> 01:14:37,332 'Hello Colin, I think we've got him' 1139 01:14:38,966 --> 01:14:40,197 to which I replied 1140 01:14:40,332 --> 01:14:42,103 'Are you joking?' and he said 1141 01:14:42,233 --> 01:14:44,876 'would I really ring you up at half past and joke about something like that?' 1142 01:14:44,899 --> 01:14:46,729 As far as I was concerned the descriptio 1143 01:14:46,867 --> 01:14:49,067 the method, the vehicle he was using 1144 01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:52,100 the various items that were seen through the vehicle window 1145 01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:54,199 prior to it being removed 1146 01:14:54,632 --> 01:14:59,172 we were pretty certain that he was our m so we were happy, very happy. 1147 01:14:59,632 --> 01:15:01,632 No I didn't feel any guilt 1148 01:15:01,766 --> 01:15:04,542 that I had been in the control room when the Nightstalker been arrested 1149 01:15:04,567 --> 01:15:07,396 and Colin wouldn't have felt none at all it was the butt of many jokes 1150 01:15:07,533 --> 01:15:09,432 for weeks and weeks afterwards 1151 01:15:09,766 --> 01:15:12,775 that I had been on a course and stepped in on that night he had been arrested. 1152 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,109 The simple fact was there was no way I was going back to sleep 1153 01:15:15,132 --> 01:15:17,033 because I was just too excited and wound 1154 01:15:17,167 --> 01:15:19,327 by hearing the story of his arrest so 1155 01:15:19,699 --> 01:15:22,069 I drove into Lewisham and went into the 1156 01:15:22,832 --> 01:15:24,802 and that's when I was introduced to Delr 1157 01:15:24,932 --> 01:15:28,472 for the first time and I finally got my on Minstead Man. 1158 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,430 One of the officers sort of said 'this i he's the boss' 1159 01:15:31,567 --> 01:15:37,327 and Delroy Grant shook my hand he extend shook my hand, bowed his head. 1160 01:15:37,699 --> 01:15:39,829 A bit of a surprise that he was so polit 1161 01:15:39,966 --> 01:15:42,127 so sort of differential, I never had som 1162 01:15:42,266 --> 01:15:45,527 who was so willing to strike up an irrelevant conversation 1163 01:15:45,899 --> 01:15:48,329 and to kind of prolong it as he was 1164 01:15:48,699 --> 01:15:52,000 it was a window to me 1165 01:15:52,567 --> 01:15:57,726 to the kind of Delroy Grant that people to tell us about in the coming weeks. 1166 01:15:58,033 --> 01:16:00,802 What struck me was how fit he was for a 1167 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,800 and then all the scenes I've been to 1168 01:16:02,932 --> 01:16:05,903 some of the windows that he managed to e and I remember standing there with 1169 01:16:06,033 --> 01:16:09,233 Colin saying 'how did somebody get into and it all started 1170 01:16:09,367 --> 01:16:11,896 to come together with how wiry and muscu 1171 01:16:12,233 --> 01:16:13,733 and how flexible he was 1172 01:16:14,233 --> 01:16:17,372 and that just gave me even more reason to believe that we had got the right per 1173 01:16:20,067 --> 01:16:24,497 They booked him in and they took his clo from him and bagged it in case it was ev 1174 01:16:24,766 --> 01:16:28,096 and there was a very obscure provision in the police criminal evidence act wher 1175 01:16:28,233 --> 01:16:32,872 interviews can be conducted with people if there is a life at risk 1176 01:16:33,067 --> 01:16:36,296 without solicitors and rights and the officers said to him 'look 1177 01:16:36,432 --> 01:16:41,403 have you been anywhere is there an old lady lying somewhere wit 1178 01:16:41,533 --> 01:16:44,273 who needs medical assistance because you've been there tonight' 1179 01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:47,100 he was quite sort of chilling in his reply when he said 1180 01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:50,100 'I've not visited anybody tonight' 1181 01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:54,500 that was his reply, 'I've not visited an 1182 01:16:54,632 --> 01:16:57,302 When he was asked to give his fingerprin 1183 01:16:57,432 --> 01:17:02,273 he made an off the record comment to the officers doing it saying 1184 01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:05,300 'it's pointless you doing this you know I always wore gloves'. 1185 01:17:05,432 --> 01:17:07,472 A sample had been taken when he had been 1186 01:17:07,632 --> 01:17:09,432 which is pretty standard 1187 01:17:09,567 --> 01:17:13,796 that was then couriered by officers by hand to the forensic science service 1188 01:17:13,932 --> 01:17:17,832 the opened up their lab and by 4pm that 1189 01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,266 it was confirmed that it was him 1190 01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:22,170 and that he was the Nightstalker. 1191 01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:24,270 Delroy Grant was 53 years old 1192 01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:27,399 he lived in Brockley Mews in South East 1193 01:17:27,766 --> 01:17:31,466 with his second wife who suffered from 1194 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,300 degenerative and progressive multiple sclerosis. 1195 01:17:34,533 --> 01:17:36,832 After Grant was charged 1196 01:17:36,966 --> 01:17:39,766 I became the family liaison officer 1197 01:17:39,899 --> 01:17:43,670 which is an unusual thing to happen but 1198 01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:45,596 the family really were victims 1199 01:17:45,733 --> 01:17:47,403 of his as well because 1200 01:17:47,533 --> 01:17:49,802 they were innocent people 1201 01:17:49,932 --> 01:17:54,703 who all of a sudden had their world turn upside down by what had happened. 1202 01:17:54,832 --> 01:17:58,273 It was obvious the police were searching the house and it didn't take long 1203 01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:03,670 for the local community to realise who had been arrested and where he lived. 1204 01:18:03,932 --> 01:18:08,603 Their lives had been made incredibly dif by what had happened. 1205 01:18:08,733 --> 01:18:13,802 Despite the DNA hit they still couldn't that their father was the Nightstalker. 1206 01:18:15,466 --> 01:18:18,396 He was a good father, he enjoyed cricket 1207 01:18:19,067 --> 01:18:22,067 people spoke of him well 1208 01:18:22,233 --> 01:18:25,472 no one really had anything bad to say on 1209 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,229 He's such a nice guy but I just can't the shock, it's unbelievable. 1210 01:18:29,533 --> 01:18:32,233 You know, totally devoted to his wife an 1211 01:18:32,367 --> 01:18:37,197 and as I said it's just come as a shock in this small tight knit community. 1212 01:18:37,332 --> 01:18:39,103 He was registered as someone 1213 01:18:39,233 --> 01:18:42,073 that was a carer for his wife Jennifer. 1214 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:48,600 Of course, the only footnote to add to it was the car he was driving 1215 01:18:48,733 --> 01:18:51,332 the car he was allotted on the Motabilit 1216 01:18:51,899 --> 01:18:57,600 for driving Jennifer around was also the he was driving out to the scenes of his 1217 01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:01,329 So, it really was like he was living thi 1218 01:19:01,632 --> 01:19:04,533 and in the early days of his incarcerati 1219 01:19:04,667 --> 01:19:07,997 at the police station there was an officer taking food into his cell 1220 01:19:08,132 --> 01:19:11,703 he said to her 'I've got a thing about t 1221 01:19:11,899 --> 01:19:15,029 you need to be really careful I don't want to drop anyone in it 1222 01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:21,226 but you do want to check my son's DNA be I understand it could be quite close to 1223 01:19:21,367 --> 01:19:27,966 I think it's likely that he has committe offenses not me, so you need to have a l 1224 01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:31,869 at that point trying to throw the suspicion off himself 1225 01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:34,470 which is breath-taking really. 1226 01:19:36,567 --> 01:19:38,827 The question that everybody wanted answe 1227 01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:40,500 after he was arrested 1228 01:19:40,766 --> 01:19:42,197 was 'was he in the system?' 1229 01:19:42,332 --> 01:19:45,372 and what they meant by that was did we have a file on our database 1230 01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:47,430 relating to Delroy Grant. 1231 01:19:49,233 --> 01:19:56,203 And the answer to that was yes but the start of his spree in the summer 1232 01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,970 he committed a burglary in Bromley 1233 01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:04,600 the local Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinat had seen a BMW car 1234 01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:11,130 acting suspiciously at the time of a bur and he had taken the number of that BMW. 1235 01:20:11,766 --> 01:20:14,327 He saw a man get out of the car 1236 01:20:15,067 --> 01:20:19,567 put a balaclava on, put a set of gloves on and go towards his neighbours address 1237 01:20:20,266 --> 01:20:22,867 What happened was that was investigated by Bromley borough 1238 01:20:23,033 --> 01:20:24,533 Bromley borough officer 1239 01:20:24,699 --> 01:20:28,770 did some courtesy police national comput checks and found tow Delroy Grants 1240 01:20:28,932 --> 01:20:30,372 that she thought 1241 01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:33,000 were likely to be the suspect one had an address in Leicester 1242 01:20:33,432 --> 01:20:35,002 and one had an address in Dulwich. 1243 01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:37,029 Not unreasonably she assumed 1244 01:20:37,167 --> 01:20:41,197 that the Dulwich one would be the one sh looking for because it was S.E.London 1245 01:20:42,233 --> 01:20:46,073 that man, that Delroy Grant was the wron 1246 01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:49,000 The one that lived at Brockley Mews had formally lived in Leicester 1247 01:20:49,132 --> 01:20:52,172 that was our Delroy Grant the one we arr the one that was in the cells. 1248 01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:55,430 Where it was crucial to operation Minste 1249 01:20:55,899 --> 01:20:57,829 was that the wrong Delroy Grant 1250 01:20:57,966 --> 01:21:01,596 had his DNA taken when arrested for othe 1251 01:21:01,733 --> 01:21:03,632 and was on the database. 1252 01:21:04,332 --> 01:21:07,432 When they asked for the DNA from the Minstead crime scene 1253 01:21:07,966 --> 01:21:10,966 to be compared to Delroy Grants DNA 1254 01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:15,300 they compare it to the wrong one the wrong DNA there is no match. 1255 01:21:17,067 --> 01:21:22,396 And that point onwards, Delroy Grant of Brockley Mews is on the Minstead comp 1256 01:21:22,867 --> 01:21:25,527 as eliminated by DNA. 1257 01:21:26,266 --> 01:21:31,197 And what's also just a salutary lesson to how these things should be checked 1258 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,270 in 2001 somebody did phone the incident room and say 1259 01:21:36,632 --> 01:21:41,703 'I've seen all your publicity about Mins and I think Delroy Grant of Brockley Mew 1260 01:21:42,067 --> 01:21:42,926 could be your man 1261 01:21:43,067 --> 01:21:44,243 I think he might have done it'. 1262 01:21:44,266 --> 01:21:46,596 The first thing they would do is go to t 1263 01:21:47,033 --> 01:21:48,603 eliminate it by DNA. 1264 01:21:48,899 --> 01:21:50,600 Even if they had swabbed 1265 01:21:50,932 --> 01:21:53,903 all the 20 thousand people on their list he wasn't one of them. 1266 01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:59,829 So that mistake that assumption and lack of checking 1267 01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:05,600 by one officer poisoned it forever more and Delroy Grant 1268 01:22:05,733 --> 01:22:12,703 had another ten years of liberty and doz more people were victimized while he was 1269 01:22:25,167 --> 01:22:27,396 He pleaded not guilty 1270 01:22:27,832 --> 01:22:32,002 and ran what can only be described as th 1271 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,829 incredible defense I think I've ever hea 1272 01:22:36,132 --> 01:22:40,472 Essentially, he said that his first wife 1273 01:22:40,632 --> 01:22:45,832 when they were splitting up had saved semen from when they had sex 1274 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,000 where she had employed a 3rd person to d 1275 01:22:50,132 --> 01:22:52,073 around the crime scenes 1276 01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:57,529 it was just a fantasy defense of the fir just completely incredible. 1277 01:22:58,733 --> 01:23:00,372 Thanks to Tim and Kaye 1278 01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:03,199 we'll just break in, we've got some news 1279 01:23:03,332 --> 01:23:08,932 this is trial where Delroy Grant, accuse being the notorious 'Nightstalker' is ta 1280 01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:12,697 Delroy Grant the man accused of being the Nightstalker 1281 01:23:12,832 --> 01:23:15,533 has been found guilty of 29 counts 1282 01:23:15,699 --> 01:23:20,130 of preying on 18 elderly men and women b 1283 01:23:20,332 --> 01:23:21,872 and 2009. 1284 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,000 They said that he was responsible for some of the most awful 1285 01:23:25,167 --> 01:23:27,697 and disturbing crimes in the history of Scotland Yard. 1286 01:23:27,832 --> 01:23:29,876 So that's a line just coming into us there that the police 1287 01:23:29,899 --> 01:23:32,670 are apologising for missed chances to st 1288 01:23:32,832 --> 01:23:33,703 Delroy Grant 1289 01:23:33,832 --> 01:23:34,832 The judge said 1290 01:23:35,266 --> 01:23:38,367 that he would have to serve 27 years 1291 01:23:38,966 --> 01:23:41,567 before he was eligible to apply for paro 1292 01:23:42,033 --> 01:23:43,573 from his life sentence. 1293 01:23:43,766 --> 01:23:47,896 And that means at the absolute youngest that Delroy Grant could be 1294 01:23:48,033 --> 01:23:52,002 before he is released back into the world would be 81 years old. 1295 01:23:52,132 --> 01:23:54,073 And were that to happen 1296 01:23:55,033 --> 01:23:58,172 I guess we have to think that he would b 1297 01:23:58,567 --> 01:24:00,627 posing little threat by that time. 1298 01:24:01,667 --> 01:24:04,966 The number of offenses that we had by th 1299 01:24:05,132 --> 01:24:09,502 that I left are that he was involved in 1300 01:24:09,867 --> 01:24:14,726 many of which included indecent assaults and five of which included rapes. 1301 01:24:14,867 --> 01:24:18,067 He was a sexual predator who 1302 01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:22,430 just committed the most barbaric crimes with meticulous planning 1303 01:24:22,567 --> 01:24:25,697 some of which we probably don't know abo 1304 01:24:25,867 --> 01:24:28,567 It may well be that a lot of his victims 1305 01:24:29,432 --> 01:24:34,533 suffered at his hands but suffered in silence and never actually reported 1306 01:24:35,067 --> 01:24:37,197 them but carried it with them to their g 1307 01:24:37,332 --> 01:24:39,672 Most of them are deceased now unfortunat 1308 01:24:40,033 --> 01:24:42,703 I hope the families don't think about hi 1309 01:24:42,867 --> 01:24:46,127 get a very small iota 1310 01:24:46,266 --> 01:24:47,926 of satisfaction in the fact that 1311 01:24:48,067 --> 01:24:52,226 he is no longer doing the same things to other people that happen to their fam 1312 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,800 We went through an exercise with family liaison officers 1313 01:24:55,132 --> 01:24:57,693 of phoning and telling the victims that someone had been arrested 1314 01:24:58,667 --> 01:25:01,027 one of the victims said that back to her 1315 01:25:01,332 --> 01:25:04,103 'that's great I can go back to sleeping 1316 01:25:05,466 --> 01:25:08,867 I think he thought he was invincible I think he thought he would never get ca 1317 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,329 He was arrested on the 17th day of the surveillance operation 1318 01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:17,970 so you had 17 years on one hand, 17 days 1319 01:25:18,233 --> 01:25:20,132 It was only Colin's fresh 1320 01:25:20,266 --> 01:25:23,766 impetus which led to Delroy Grant being 1321 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,770 I always knew that I wanted to go to get in front of him 1322 01:25:27,167 --> 01:25:29,567 I believed from really early on that 1323 01:25:29,699 --> 01:25:32,970 we needed to ignore the DNA we needed to catch a burglar. 1324 01:25:33,432 --> 01:25:35,832 Everybody kept telling me 'we're not a burglary squad' 1325 01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:40,399 and they needed to be a burglary squad that's how we got him. 120910

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