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It became clear that there was a p
of attacks on elderly people
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within the South East London area...
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to rape them and sexually assault them
hideous crimes
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Operation Minstead
had gone on years and became
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a subject of division as far as
the police were concerned
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The fact that it's elderly people.
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In kind of the autumn of their lives
and something like this happens to them
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I can't imagine any of them...
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ever came anywhere near recovering from
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Colin Sutton was a Detective Chief Ins
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and Senior Invastigating Officer
in The Metropolitan Police
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He lead the investigations
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into some of the most complex
and high-profile cases ever
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bringing dangerous criminals to Justice
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[background music, female and male voice
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in this series you will take you inside
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and show you how we caught these crimina
using nothing but pure detective work.
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This is the Real Manhunter.
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It became clear we were...
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dealing with an evil human being
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a ruthless individual
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A lot of his victims
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suffered at his hands
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but suffered in silence
and never actually reported
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them but carried it with them to their g
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The Nightstalker was a clever and sophis
criminal there is no doubt of that
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he thought about what he was doing
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He thought about how he might get caught
he thought of ways to avoid getting caug
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For 17 years this man had struck
fear into our community
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and that couldn't continue
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I knew I had to do everything
I could to bring that to an end
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An investigation is underway following
the burglary
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and sexual assault in the Shirley area
of Croydon last night
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The Victim, an elderly woman in her 80s
was woken by an intruder who had broken
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Police have yet to confirm
if it is linked to a series of attacks
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by a man known as the Nightstalker...
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During the 1990s...
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there was a pattern of attacks on elderl
within the South East London area
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Speculation could one person be responsi
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who by then had been given the nickname
'The Nightstalker'
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This had been running for 17 years
and there didn't seem to be
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any answer as to who this man was
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At that particular period in South East
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there were thousands of elderly people
living in fear
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of this criminal
he had an air of invincibility about him
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The numbers were large
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mainly they were incidents where
a prowler had broken in at night
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woken up the occupants who were always e
and occasionally indecently assaulted th
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but not always indecently assaulted them
and on several occasions he raped them
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You couldn't serve as either a uniformed
or detective in South East London
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and not know about Operation Minstead
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I was promoted from detective sergeant
to detective inspector in January 2009
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I was selected to join Operation Minstea
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and I had been there about 3 months
and Colin appeared early summer of 2009
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Up until Colin arriving
I was kind of the only manager on the gr
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so to have another
for Colin to come as SIO was a relief to
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In April 2009...
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I was still the leader of my murder team
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the new commander of the homicide
and serious crime command...
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left a message for me saying could I go
and see him at Scotland Yard
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just to have a chat and then he asked me
what I knew about Operation Minstead
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I just knew that Operation Minstead
was South East London
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that it was a long running investigation
a series of rapes and burglaries of old
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My team had been successful in other cas
high profile cases
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and just wanted somebody to have a look
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This is Lewisham Police Station
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where operation Minstead was based
I'd never been here before
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I was asked to come over
and have a look and see if I could...
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come up with any ideas
this is where it was based so I came
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When I met the team and realised how sma
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and how difficult their task
was in trying to catch this guy who...
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had been committing these terrible offen
for so long
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it was a case that seriously needed solv
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I was pleased to have the opportunity to
and contribute towards that
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When I first came here to take a look I
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very little about the case
and I was brought up to speed
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by going to a meeting of all the supervi
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We sat down and they
were discussing the lines of inquiry
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and what was going on and I made a few n
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The first of them was the suspect's desc
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That was based on victim statements
and victim accounts
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it was very very generic
but it was allegedly a black male
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light skinned to dark skinned
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normally dressed in dark clothing
from head to foot
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the age range varied from the 30s to upp
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quite well built average height and norm
wearing a balaclava or some sort of face
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And then it was obviously the offenders
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which at that stage had been left at var
so we were using that to eliminate peopl
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in a mass DNA screening
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One of our victims had said that
when the perpetrator had woken her up
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he was dressed in dark clothing
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potentially could have been wearing
a motorcycle helmet and motorcycle cloth
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and then when he left, she thought she h
the engine of a motorcycle
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So on that basis a line of inquiry was s
trace motorcycle license holders in that
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It was a very large line of inquiry
and it essentially was suspended
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pretty soon into my tenure
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When you've got lots of cases
going back over many years
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there's no substitute
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to just looking yourself away to get a f
of what they were about and what was hap
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So for the first kind of couple of weeks
I was a sponge I was soaking up...
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the information rather than processing i
thinking about it and looking at...
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what it might mean and where we can go.
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I got on very well with C
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he was an established SIO
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with a good reputation on the command
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I was a brand-new detective inspector
kind of finding my feet
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I knew about investigation
and I knew about homicide investigations
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and obviously this type of investigation
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He had an advantage in that he could bri
with the management team of the homicide
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He brought elements to the investigation
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that I couldn't bring to it
and obviously another perspective.
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What became clear...
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is that these offenses were confined
to a pretty exact geographical area
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If you took part of Greater London
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south of the River Thames
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and to the east of the A23 at Croydon
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that was his hunting ground
So it's like a quarter of Greater London
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and one or 2 offenses just over the bord
into Surrey
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but mostly it was kind of outer South Ea
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What came to be regarded as offense numb
in the Minstead series
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took place in Wickham Road in Shirley
in October 1992
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The police got a message that there had
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a burglary in a bungalow where an 84 yea
lived on her own
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and when police turned up and responded
to this call that was when the victim...
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confided in them that not only had she
been burgled and had property stolen
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but that she had also been raped.
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Now most...
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burglars run a mile if there is somebody
house they want to burgle a house when i
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But in this case there was
interaction between the burglar and the
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It was late in the evening on the
12th of October 1992
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a man with a balaclava
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broke in, went down the side of this hou
removed a pane of glass from the window.
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He removed it whole
he hadn't smashed it
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he had removed the fitting
and taken out the pane of glass
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set it down quite sort of carefully
and had gone in through the window.
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At some point during his progress
through the house
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he had been removing light bulbs
from their fittings
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presumably so that if the victim woke up
to switch the light on then there would
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He also cut the telephone wires
because when the ordeal was over
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and the victim
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went to try and phone for help she found
her phone had been disconnected.
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He went into her bedroom
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and this 84-year-old lady was confronted
horror of being awoken in her own bed
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by a figure looming over her with a torc
a dark figure
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hand over her mouth telling her not to m
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And her ordeal went on for something lik
and during that time...
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the intruder raped her before stealing
some jewellery and ยฃ250 in cash.
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A terrible crime
a terrible ordeal for an old lady
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to have to go through in her own home
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you can only imagine how terrifying
it must have been for her in the dark
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in the house on her own she should feel
it's her own home
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and she's got this intruder doing these
terrible things to her.
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He eventually leaves her after two hours
she wants to raise the alarm
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and finds that her phone has been cut of
she can't phone anybody.
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So she walks along to where her niece li
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and she asks her niece to raise the alar
and the police are told
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that there was a burglary an overnight b
and they turn out and attend the burglar
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and it's at that point that the lady rev
that she had been raped
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she had been raped in her own home in th
of the night by this intruder.
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Once he'd over-powered his victim
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he used to spend considerable time in th
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either going around himself
or speaking to the victims themselves
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and he showed caring attributes
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which is very unusual for an offender.
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The victim told them
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that the rapist kissed her on the lips
and on the cheek.
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It had the investigator a little bit sor
of confused and bemused
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has he tried to make things right
and smooth things over
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and maintain a good relationship with th
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Or is he trying to persuade them that th
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tell the police and that they shouldn't
come after him.
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Almost more disturbing and confusing
for the victims who were probably
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not able to think straight having just b
the victim of such a horrible crime.
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It's just a really unusual way in which
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the victim almost with sensitivity
and a degree of compassion
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having just inflicted the most barbaric
of acts and assaults on her.
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There really is no other way to investig
an allegation of rape
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but to subject the victim
again to another intrusive
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and uncomfortable experience of being me
examined and forensic swabs being taken
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because if you haven't got the evidence
get from that examination of those swabs
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you're never going to prove
the case further down the line anyway.
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So she's taken to the suite
and she is examined and swabs are taken
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and from those swabs and particularly fr
clothing her pyjamas and some of the bed
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there was semen and from that semen that
a full male DNA profile was later distil
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In 1992 the use of DNA as an investigati
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was kind of in its infancy.
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The database was very small
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so although there was semen present from
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on both the swabs and the old lady's pyj
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it wasn't until some years later that th
were resubmitted to the laboratory
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and yielded a male DNA profile.
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At first the police weren't aware that..
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This was going to be part of a series
obviously there had been no other...
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similar offenses in the recent past
and this was thought really to be...
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very much a one off.
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The investigation stayed with the local
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it's their task for their local CID
to investigate so it stayed there and...
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they did investigate it and they got now
didn't find the suspect and it was kind
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filed as unsolved
As time went on
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we realised that this was a series
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and that this sorts of houses and this t
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semi-detached houses and bungalows
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in these essentially quiet and residenti
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of south east London were
the hunting ground for the Nightstalker
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Six years later
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in September 1998 there was a significan
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just outside the Met Police area in Warl
in Surrey.
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It's important in the story of the Night
because it was in Warlingham in this roa
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that the second offense took place
where the suspect left DNA.
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The 81 year-old victim was in bed
lived alone she had mobility problems
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and the suspect came along entered throu
that gate down the side of the house
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he had a large screwdriver
and he tried to prise a window open
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and then he realized there was a key han
on a string on the fence by the back doo
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the victim had left that for her carers
and family to let themselves in if they
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So he used that why bother
with the screwdriver when I've got the k
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But those actions of trying
to break in with the screwdriver
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became very important because...
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every tool like this
every screwdriver has a unique shape
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microscopically the marks that screwdriv
makes are different to other screwdriver
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and what happens is the scenes of crime
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will take a plaster cast
from the mark that it leaves
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and then that can be microscopically
photographed and examined.
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When there are other marks at other crim
they can be compared
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and the comparison of those marks
can link two crime scenes
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in very much the same way that
as DNA profile or fingerprint might link
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He was in the premises for some time
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and he did make an attempt to rape the v
but it wasn't successful.
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He asks her for money
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and she said she didn't have any.
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Then he climbs on top of her
and he begins to indecently assault her.
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He tries to pull her legs apart he's goi
to rape her he undid his trousers
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but she yells out in pain from her
chronic arthritis when she tried to move
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then she almost feigns illness
feigns that she's passed out.
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And this seemed to concern him, and he s
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He had so much concern it seemed that he
to find a pulse to make sure she was sti
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he picked up her wrists and looked
at that and then he left.
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The ordeal for her was over quite quickl
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There was a genuine fear of a reprisal.
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In this case the fear was more
that the intruder would return
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and so it wasn't until the following mor
she spoke to her son that she reported t
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He wasn't able to perform the act but in
so he did ejaculate
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and there was semen found on the carpet
in her bedroom
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From that semen...
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a full male DNA profile was extracted
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and it matched exactly the profile
from the 1992 offense.
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Now we had two rapes from the same unkno
we had a series we had Operation Minstea
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This then enlightened them to the prospe
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that they were dealing with a serial rap
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a serial sex offender targeting elderly
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It wasn't long before
this started filtering out to the media
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and reports of sexual offenses being att
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to someone we call 'The Nightstalker'.
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'Nightstalker' was something invented by
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the people running the investigation
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in the early 2000s were
not particularly happy with because...
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it was felt that it accentuated
the fear these people should be in.
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The police didn't particularly
like that term being used
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but it was easy for us to describe to th
this was someone who was breaking in at
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Part of the strategy very much
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was to try not to have...
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elderly ladies in South East London
having to live their lives in fear.
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If you look at the media reporting
of operation Minstead throughout its his
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the focus is always
on the sexual element of the crimes
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and what this does or did was to
I think, focus...
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the methods of investigations that we us
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onto those we used which are used for ra
and sexual offenses and very much that b
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The team was concentrating
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their efforts on trying to get DNA
swabs from suspects
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compare that with DNA they had
from the first two crime scenes
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I'm pretty sure that those on that team
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would have thought that it
would be quite a quick job.
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They just needed to find this guy and hi
onto the database once that DNA was ther
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it matches up game over job done
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Sadly that is not what happened.
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The DNA in itself ultimately
proved to be fruitless.
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They were trying to get scientists...
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to do really different things
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the two main scientific pieces of work t
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on were around physical characteristics
from the DNA profile and ancestry
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the profile showed that this man
was black by ethnicity
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but that his skin was likely to be pale
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freckled and that his hair would
be ginger or very light
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The ancestry said that our suspect
was likely to have come from the lesser
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and most likely Trinidad and Tobago.
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What that caused the investigation team
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take the publicity campaign
about operation Minstead to Trinidad
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in case somebody over there
recognized the person it might be.
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They wanted to go for a swim after work
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a photographer from
a Mail on Sunday newspaper
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was on hand to catch them in their speed
lying around the pool.
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A rather unfortunate interpretation
was put on that.
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They could have been more circumspect in
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what they did it resulted in an article
where they were called 'The Frying Squad
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It just kind of debased
the gravity of the situation
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and of the investigation and ultimately
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something that didn't take
the investigation one millimeter further
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When I arrived in January 2009...
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a very large mass DNA screening exercise
had been in operation for about 11 years
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It involved officers going to the home
addresses of people we that had identifi
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that might fit the description of the su
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and essentially persuading
them to give an elimination swab
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then obviously that would then
be sent to the forensic science service.
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And because of the age range
that was being looked at
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these were black men who'd
grown up in South East London
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during the late 1970's and 1980's
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and during that time
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I think that their contact with the Met
may not necessarily have been positive
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You are then going around and saying
'can I have a sample of your DNA...
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that we can compare with our crime scene
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and no matter how many promises I made t
the sample would be destroyed if it was
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the mistrust had built up over
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a couple of decades was still there
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and it meant that co-operation
was rarely given in truth.
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We had eliminated 2000 people
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and we had another 2000 to do
so it would have taken another 11 years.
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When I first went over there it just
so happened that that week
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they had one man
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who had offered up his swab for DNA
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which meant that the whole operation
to try to find the Nightstalker
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by DNA swabbing
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was going to be fraught with difficultie
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I wrote in the margin of my book on that
first meeting a couple of days into my r
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'what if we didn't have DNA?'
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The Nightstalker operated over
a very large area of London
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in the South East
South London and Surrey.
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A total of about 2 and a half million pe
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This is a typical road right in the midd
of his favorite hunting grounds.
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And you can see there the 1930s
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houses and bungalows, semis...
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you can still point out the houses that
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that there's an old person that lives th
the house hasn't been modernized
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the garden is kept in a way and hasn't b
into a driveway
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and that was what he based his crime.
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The typical Minstead victim
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had their windows done up in the 80s the
replaced by uPVC windows with external b
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and he knew that so a lot of his victims
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had the same sort of window that
he was very expert at breaking into
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and that was because they had external b
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he could rip out pull the pane of glass
out and he was in.
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He would start a surveillance in reconna
days before he committed the offense
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but then he would often sit there for ho
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looking to see what was going
on to make sure he understood
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what the habits were in that particular
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It adds another...
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more sinister dimension that he spent so
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researching his victims
watching the premises and seeing...
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who was coming and going and what
their behavior patterns were and just pl
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how he was going to conduct his next att
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The occupier went to bed
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he could tell that by the lights moving
from downstairs to upstairs then going o
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He would look to make sure that there wa
only one person living there because...
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by and large he wanted to attack premise
where somebody lived on their own.
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One of the first things that I had
to do when I went over to...
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look and do the review on operation Mins
was to get up to speed with the old case
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The most troubling of those at that time
in 1999 of an 88 year-old woman
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who lived on her own in a bungalow in Or
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At 3 in the morning she is awoken by...
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sensing someone was in her bedroom and l
up into the gloom and sees that there is
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man standing at the foot of her bed.
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He put a gloved hand over her mouth
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and said 'I want your money'
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and she sort of muttered something
and he took his hand away and she said
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'there is no money here in the bedroom..
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If you want me to give you my money you'
to get me up and take me to my living ro
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and so he sort of pulled her up off
the bed and ushered her through
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to the living room where she found her p
and handbag and she gave him to purse an
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emptied the contents of the purse into h
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he pulled her up from the chair
she had been sitting in
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placed her on the edge of the sofa
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pulled up her nightdress
and raped her several times
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and left her battered bleeding
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in such a state that when she was able t
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raise the alarm by pressing
her care link panic button
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police attended and called an ambulance
straight away she was taken straight to
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She required emergency surgery
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is ti closest the Nightstalker ever came
to killing somebody there and then
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had she not received medical help
she would have died she would have bled
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She never went back to her bungalow
where she had been for 25 years.
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She was discharged from hospital
into sheltered accommodation
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and although the physical injuries had h
the psychological injuries never did
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She took that night of terror
and pain to the grave with her.
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She was very weary...
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very frightened really he is it ruined h
in a way didn't it
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there she was living in her own home
and suddenly the world fell apart.
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She always used to say she hoped he woul
before she died she had these terrible n
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so she dreaded the nights and going to b
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going to sleep.
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It would be very difficult
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for me as a 56-year-old male to understa
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what an elderly victims go through
in these circumstances
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these are people in twilight of their ye
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it must have been absolutely terrifying
and in relation to that
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they were staying awake during the night
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because they didn't want to become one o
victims and they were sleeping during th
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We saw it time and again with the victim
there was this sort of stoicism
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the spirit of the blitz or something lik
it was that generation
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and that's why they tried in some way
to block it out.
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They weren't complainers
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they didn't like speaking to the police
about what happened to them.
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And we agreed that if...
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the victims of the Nightstalker
had been aged between...
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18 and 36 rather than 58 and 96
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there would have been much more publicit
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and for some reason
the aged victims were not as newsworthy.
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You can't name victims of sexual assault
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and while that's quite right
and quite understandable
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it meant that the suffering they
endured was somehow anonymised
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and the impact of his crimes
I don't think were truly appreciated.
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I have no doubt if it hadn't been that p
generation that had been targeted
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more resources would have
had to been brought to bear.
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In May 2009
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I finally got my chance to see
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one of these crime scenes for myself
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I had immersed myself reading all this d
from all these crimes going back
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It was down in Croydon
on a road called Princes Avenue
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for me, it was interesting not just to s
what an offense looked like
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but to see how the team were responding
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This bungalow was the scene of the first
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Minstead Nightstalker offense that I wen
person after I started to go there to do
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There was a 78-year-old lady who lived h
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When we came to do our investigation
we found that he had gained entrance
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by that gate at the side to the rear gar
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he'd actually been to another garden of
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and borrowed a pitchfork from their shed
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and had used that to force the window
open at this bungalow.
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She goes to bed 9 pm
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she is a frail woman she needs a frame t
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she is awoken at 4 o'clock in the mornin
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by this to her huge man sitting astride
on her bed
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It's dark and he's holding her down.
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At some point while the Nightstalker
was on top of her he starts caressing he
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He asks her quite politely
'would you like more?'
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and she equally politely declines and sa
'No thank you'.
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It's another one of these cases where he
a degree of concern or care for the vict
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She needed to go to the toilet so she as
can go fetch her walking frame and he do
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and she'd also tried to find an emergenc
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on the bedside table, but she didn't kno
intruder had seen it first and hidden it
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He's asked her about things in her house
rummaged through all her drawers.
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He's a bit frustrated because he can't f
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The ordeal this lady suffered was
only about half an hour in length
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managed to find ยฃ20 or so in coins and c
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and that's all that she lost.
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Once he had gone she locked the back doo
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kind of make sure he wouldn't come back
and went to sleep and it wasn't...
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until after she woke up at 9 o'clock tha
the landline in the premises to raise th
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When I arrived here I saw that there
was the Minstead team
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very busy
knocking on houses doing door to door in
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looking for CCTV
looking for any kind of clues
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evidence they might find in the locality
they would do if it were a murder invest
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I suppose although it was the very first
I came out to
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really this was sort of the seed to my t
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that this comprehensive investigation
of every single case
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was just too resource intensive.
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We were getting two sometimes
three a night when he was busy.
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You just cannot keep doing this kind of.
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Ultimate model of investigation
you use for homicides.
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I still think that may
have been counterproductive
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to finding a strategy
that would actually take him down.
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Colin came in and...
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by thinking outside the box
by taking a fresh approach
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he decided that this was someone who nee
looked at as a burglar
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rather than a sex offender.
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Up until then we had only been
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looking at offenses that involved sexual
or very high Minstead indicator.
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So, what we decided to do was target
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every single burglary
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overnight on elderly people in South Eas
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In that time period there would've
been many more offenses
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where there was no forensic link
which had been carried out by the Nights
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and which the police were totally
oblivious to and unaware of.
471
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,230
I got my intelligence team
472
00:34:01,366 --> 00:34:05,666
to give me a print-out of what
could have been Minstead offenses
473
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,730
and that was where you got to about 100
474
00:34:08,867 --> 00:34:10,967
We decided to target our resources
475
00:34:11,099 --> 00:34:13,269
where we could get things really quickly
476
00:34:13,532 --> 00:34:15,932
and all aimed at identifying the offende
477
00:34:16,132 --> 00:34:18,702
and not proving that he committed the of
478
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:20,429
All the evidence...
479
00:34:20,632 --> 00:34:25,702
needed to put him in prison for a very l
had already been preserved.
480
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:29,530
We didn't need to prove that he was comm
481
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,800
these new offenses we didn't need
to get every available scrap of evidence
482
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:41,300
we could treat them as intelligence
opportunities in other words
483
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,400
we could look at them to try and find th
of the offense which might help us ident
484
00:34:47,532 --> 00:34:52,773
I had a view that if we were to use crim
pattern analysis and analytical minds
485
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:56,530
to try and predict what was happening
and to try and understand
486
00:34:57,032 --> 00:35:02,702
where this man was offending then we nee
to have all the information possible.
487
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,969
This change in the thrust of the investi
gave birth to what was called 'Minstead
488
00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:13,827
I was desperate to prove that Minstead
was throwing away offenses
489
00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:16,396
and intelligence opportunities by leavin
490
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,300
crimes to be looked at and investigated
by the borough
491
00:35:20,567 --> 00:35:24,396
and I thought I was going to have to go
years and years of crime reports to prov
492
00:35:24,766 --> 00:35:26,597
But such a case fell into my lap.
493
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,672
By May 2009
494
00:35:28,867 --> 00:35:30,827
the investigative strategy of Minstead L
495
00:35:30,967 --> 00:35:34,097
was being written but hadn't officially
come into play.
496
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:37,730
During that time there was an over-night
burglary in Farnaby Road.
497
00:35:37,867 --> 00:35:39,766
It was not an offense that we would norm
498
00:35:40,132 --> 00:35:43,833
have taken on for investigation
but we applied the Minstead Lite princip
499
00:35:44,099 --> 00:35:46,070
and went down there and used it as a tes
500
00:35:47,367 --> 00:35:50,297
The house was occupied by
an elderly lady and her son
501
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,400
who himself was in his sixties.
502
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,500
It was given back to the borough to inve
503
00:35:56,233 --> 00:36:01,302
He had broken in, and he'd clearly broke
normal sort of way at the rear with a pa
504
00:36:01,432 --> 00:36:08,103
and moved things around inside
the house but hadn't actually stolen any
505
00:36:08,632 --> 00:36:15,132
He wasn't there for very long and he dec
that he was going to abort and leave.
506
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,800
When the borough CID were investigating
507
00:36:18,932 --> 00:36:23,472
the son of the victim told them that the
was a carton of orange juice in the kitc
508
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,369
which seemed to have lessened in volume
as if someone had drunk from it.
509
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:32,530
He knew he hadn't, or his mother hadn't
the scenes of crime officer from the bor
510
00:36:33,132 --> 00:36:36,472
doing the right thing
swabbed the mouth of the carton
511
00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:40,027
submitted it for DNA analysis
and very quickly afterwards
512
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,099
was presented with a full male DNA profi
513
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,170
which matched the other Minstead crime s
514
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:47,769
We hadn't had
515
00:36:48,032 --> 00:36:50,432
a DNA hit now for about four years at th
516
00:36:50,766 --> 00:36:54,367
so it was significant that we knew
it was the Nightstalker
517
00:36:54,567 --> 00:36:56,867
and what that meant was we could
draw on further resources
518
00:36:57,233 --> 00:37:01,172
it also gave us a very good break in
that we had some CCTV
519
00:37:01,367 --> 00:37:05,927
from a nearby house and that was
pretty much one of the first occasions
520
00:37:06,067 --> 00:37:10,266
in the length of the inquiry where we we
that it was the actual Nightstalker.
521
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,730
We had the time
522
00:37:11,967 --> 00:37:16,427
that the intruder left the house because
the victim told us
523
00:37:16,733 --> 00:37:18,432
we went to the CCTV
524
00:37:18,699 --> 00:37:23,070
and we saw the bottom half of the Nights
walking that way.
525
00:37:23,532 --> 00:37:27,833
What we then did is look back on the sam
because we thought if he is walking that
526
00:37:27,967 --> 00:37:31,527
he must have walked the other way to get
and he had
527
00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:35,632
but what shocked us was how long before
it was like 3 hours before.
528
00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:37,726
He had obviously...
529
00:37:37,867 --> 00:37:40,643
been at that scene for a significant amo
of time and felt confident enough
530
00:37:40,666 --> 00:37:44,896
to not only be in the vicinity of the
Farnaby road address for three hours
531
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,230
he had also done a burglary 2-3 doors do
around the corner on the same evening.
532
00:37:51,766 --> 00:37:53,496
Very confident he wouldn't be caught.
533
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,829
And since he'd only spent around about h
at most at this house
534
00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:03,132
we know he spent in excess
of about two and a half hours
535
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,570
sitting in that back garden, watching th
536
00:38:06,833 --> 00:38:08,472
waiting for the lights to go out
537
00:38:08,632 --> 00:38:12,072
waiting for his time to strike and to br
538
00:38:12,367 --> 00:38:17,726
You can imagine he's just sitting there
the windows waiting for is the lights to
539
00:38:18,666 --> 00:38:20,396
the downstairs ones to go out and maybe
540
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,969
the top floor ones come on and
go out and then he makes his move.
541
00:38:25,132 --> 00:38:29,972
Somehow that seemed really quite siniste
the thought of this man sort of sitting
542
00:38:30,233 --> 00:38:34,802
unseen in the dark
in a garden watching people in their own
543
00:38:36,766 --> 00:38:41,226
The investigation had to change directio
544
00:38:41,932 --> 00:38:45,603
We had to change tactics
we had to get one step ahead of him.
545
00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:50,802
The only way we were going to catch him
was to catch him in the act.
546
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,829
And that's why we had to become
a night duty burglary squad
547
00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:55,972
and get out at night time.
548
00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:58,702
Had the police carried on the way they w
549
00:38:59,032 --> 00:39:00,373
before Colin arrived
550
00:39:01,032 --> 00:39:04,302
the Nightstalker would never have been c
it was as simple as that.
551
00:39:04,632 --> 00:39:07,503
We were dealing with an evil human being
552
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,199
a ruthless individual.
553
00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:12,333
Two things were certain
the Nightstalker would strike again
554
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:17,099
that couldn't continue
I had to do everything I could to bring
555
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:31,472
A large part of being a leader
of any team is to make sure that...
556
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,000
those on the team below you are operatin
557
00:39:34,666 --> 00:39:36,967
to the best of their ability
and often that would mean
558
00:39:37,733 --> 00:39:39,809
making sure they are doing
the things they are good at
559
00:39:39,833 --> 00:39:42,632
and you're giving
the right tasks to the right people.
560
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,099
The proposal to go to Minstead Lite
was surprisingly well received.
561
00:39:46,233 --> 00:39:50,432
It depends on the situation whether you'
to encounter resistance or not.
562
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,230
If you're going in raking over someone
else's work and you tell them
563
00:39:56,367 --> 00:39:59,476
you think they're not doing it properly
make sure you're doing it a different wa
564
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,730
then that's something that is quite infl
nobody likes to be in that kind of posit
565
00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:06,367
I think this stage in operation Minstead
566
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,900
everybody was just accepting of the fact
567
00:40:11,833 --> 00:40:15,932
that we weren't coping and if it carried
on the way that it was going
568
00:40:16,632 --> 00:40:17,932
it was going to fall over.
569
00:40:18,067 --> 00:40:20,297
I think in terms of the team
570
00:40:20,666 --> 00:40:24,297
they saw it as a great release
for them because they were...
571
00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:29,197
struggling under the burden
of trying to do this high-level
572
00:40:29,699 --> 00:40:33,699
complete investigation for every single
one of these crimes being reported.
573
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,099
Each morning when I went in
574
00:40:38,333 --> 00:40:42,733
there was kind of two streams of informa
which might be able to tell me that ther
575
00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:45,867
an incident overnight which
was worthy of our attention.
576
00:40:46,699 --> 00:40:51,429
The intelligence team on operation Minst
had a search which ran...
577
00:40:51,632 --> 00:40:53,972
overnight every night or early in the mo
578
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:58,670
to see reported crimes not just in Londo
actually but in the whole home counties
579
00:40:59,099 --> 00:41:03,670
to see if there were any crimes that sor
our criteria so we could flag them up
580
00:41:04,132 --> 00:41:07,873
and then on top of that
you had the great awareness
581
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000
that there was within the Met Police
particularly in South East London
582
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,130
as to the possibility of Minstead cases.
583
00:41:15,567 --> 00:41:17,827
There was an offence in June 2009
584
00:41:18,099 --> 00:41:19,969
that chimed
585
00:41:20,166 --> 00:41:23,427
with the team it really struck a chord w
about how vulnerable these elderly peopl
586
00:41:23,666 --> 00:41:29,726
There was a report of a burglary on a 93
587
00:41:29,867 --> 00:41:32,827
it was in his favorite hunting ground an
588
00:41:33,233 --> 00:41:37,333
given the age of the victim
and the interaction between the victim a
589
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:42,369
the burglar it was clearly going
to be something for Minstead to take a l
590
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,869
When I heard about this case I thought
'well if she is very frail and she is th
591
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,630
there were dangers here so I'm going to
592
00:41:50,766 --> 00:41:56,567
make sure we do everything we need
to do in case she takes a turn for the w
593
00:41:57,266 --> 00:41:59,626
So, I went down to Shirley where she liv
594
00:42:00,432 --> 00:42:03,733
she lived in a large detached house
595
00:42:03,867 --> 00:42:06,827
in prime to the stock broker belt countr
596
00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:08,726
And there was an elderly lady there
597
00:42:08,867 --> 00:42:11,507
hadn't said anything to the
initial investigating officers from the
598
00:42:11,699 --> 00:42:14,329
or any of our officers until Colin arriv
599
00:42:14,567 --> 00:42:15,827
This lady was...
600
00:42:16,932 --> 00:42:20,802
gradually becoming more and more infirm
and she'd lost the sight in one eye
601
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:24,070
and her ability was difficult.
602
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,630
I went in and one of the liaison officer
603
00:42:28,766 --> 00:42:30,996
'this is Mr Sutton, he's the boss'
604
00:42:31,132 --> 00:42:33,472
and she said 'Hello Mr Sutton'
605
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,170
and I told her
'you can call me Colin'
606
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,369
I tried to sort of talk to her
and she had this lovely sort...
607
00:42:38,666 --> 00:42:42,297
of cut glass accent almost
she was very well spoken lady and...
608
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:49,800
even in the dire position she was
she sort of maintained a dignity.
609
00:42:51,632 --> 00:42:56,103
When I said hello to her
she extended her hand and I took it
610
00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:59,603
and it wasn't to shake hands it was to h
611
00:42:59,733 --> 00:43:01,972
And whilst she was holding
my hand she got her other hand
612
00:43:02,067 --> 00:43:06,626
and sort of put it on top so she was sor
onto my hand with both hands
613
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,929
and she pulled me in towards
her and almost whispered to me
614
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,170
'he interfered with me you know'
615
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,500
and I realised in that second the kind o
that it had taken her to make that discl
616
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,230
She hadn't told...
617
00:43:24,666 --> 00:43:29,527
the officers that were there before it w
the first time we knew she had been assa
618
00:43:29,833 --> 00:43:32,032
She seemed to form a bond with Colin qui
619
00:43:32,567 --> 00:43:35,266
and I know that she held his hand
620
00:43:36,132 --> 00:43:40,302
and she told him, the first person that
had been sexually assaulted by the offen
621
00:43:41,099 --> 00:43:43,630
That really
that seemed to affect Colin.
622
00:43:43,766 --> 00:43:45,597
I just wanted to cry when she said that
623
00:43:45,733 --> 00:43:47,902
I just felt so so sorry for her
624
00:43:48,632 --> 00:43:52,132
and I kind of remembered that she was on
625
00:43:52,432 --> 00:43:54,472
or a hundred or more who have been throu
626
00:43:54,599 --> 00:44:00,230
It was the first time I had met a live v
there and then in her own home.
627
00:44:00,367 --> 00:44:04,467
She only had one living relative and
she was a daughter who lived in South Af
628
00:44:04,666 --> 00:44:08,427
She was unable to return at that time
and this lady from that day
629
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:10,139
she essentially stopped eating.
630
00:44:10,233 --> 00:44:12,273
She gave up on living really
631
00:44:12,867 --> 00:44:15,097
and it was only a matter of weeks and sh
632
00:44:15,932 --> 00:44:19,333
I never saw her again
her daughter never saw her again.
633
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,929
Because of the difficulties with causati
634
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:31,269
there was never going to be any realisti
prospects of charging the Nightstalker w
635
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:33,469
murder or manslaughter.
636
00:44:34,867 --> 00:44:39,427
But you know he killed her he killed her
as surely as if he had stabbed her or sh
637
00:44:41,032 --> 00:44:42,373
It just took a little bit longer.
638
00:44:55,233 --> 00:44:56,902
You've got an offender here...
639
00:44:57,032 --> 00:44:59,112
who is breaking into homes
in the middle of the night
640
00:44:59,699 --> 00:45:03,329
waking up his victims by shining
a torch into their eyes.
641
00:45:03,567 --> 00:45:07,266
Sexually assaulting them
it's not just terrifying for the elderly
642
00:45:07,766 --> 00:45:12,697
but also terrifying for the families of
elderly who'd be concerned about their m
643
00:45:12,833 --> 00:45:16,672
It was really often a balance to be stru
in terms with publicity about it
644
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,730
because you've got the idea
that you're going to arouse...
645
00:45:21,099 --> 00:45:25,130
public fear and make people fear crime
more than they ought to
646
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,800
because the chances of it happening
to them is quite small but they'll see..
647
00:45:28,932 --> 00:45:32,432
It in the newspapers and on TV and think
'I'm going to become a victim'.
648
00:45:32,967 --> 00:45:35,597
You have to balance that with
the idea that you're going to...
649
00:45:36,166 --> 00:45:41,867
make people more aware and that
will make them take better precautions.
650
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:46,469
You've also got the fact of what is the
publicity going to do in terms with the
651
00:45:46,666 --> 00:45:48,867
It could make him go underground
it could make him stop.
652
00:45:48,932 --> 00:45:50,503
There was a pattern which emerged
653
00:45:50,632 --> 00:45:52,273
that he would go off the radar
654
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,130
perhaps he got nervous.
655
00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:59,427
There was certainly a theory that one of
the Minstead appearances on BBC Crimewat
656
00:45:59,766 --> 00:46:01,996
made him stop offending for a long while
657
00:46:02,132 --> 00:46:06,003
999 call tape was played and it kind of
658
00:46:06,132 --> 00:46:07,733
into realising what he had done.
659
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:18,599
The fact is that if people are determine
660
00:46:18,733 --> 00:46:22,472
to break into a premises
to a house any premises
661
00:46:22,833 --> 00:46:26,632
then given enough time and equipment
they probably can't.
662
00:46:26,967 --> 00:46:29,027
Most of the security
663
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:33,130
that you can equip your house
with is about delaying
664
00:46:33,733 --> 00:46:37,432
it's things that take time and the hope
665
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,230
while the person who is trying to break
in is spending a lot of time, then...
666
00:46:42,532 --> 00:46:43,702
they might be seen
667
00:46:44,166 --> 00:46:46,567
and someone will call the police and...
668
00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:48,327
they might be intercepted.
669
00:46:48,467 --> 00:46:53,827
But it is very difficult to make a house
completely impregnable to...
670
00:46:54,067 --> 00:46:58,297
a burglar, certainly many
of the houses that the Nightstalker
671
00:46:58,532 --> 00:47:02,603
selected as his victims
had very little spent on them.
672
00:47:04,733 --> 00:47:08,333
One offense that I remember quite well w
that there was an offense on the 6th of
673
00:47:08,733 --> 00:47:11,773
2009 in Queenhill Road which is in South
674
00:47:12,067 --> 00:47:13,766
just off Selsdon High Street.
675
00:47:14,266 --> 00:47:17,427
It was a Saturday afternoon in early Jun
676
00:47:17,766 --> 00:47:19,666
it was the home of an 82 year old woman
677
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,070
she was living alone in a semi detached
678
00:47:23,432 --> 00:47:25,472
she suffered quite badly from dementia
679
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:30,599
and she was having real difficulties in
expressing to the officers what had happ
680
00:47:31,032 --> 00:47:32,773
While we knew there had been an intruder
681
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:36,500
the lady who lived here on her own she c
give us any more details beyond that
682
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,670
so we didn't really know if anything had
683
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,500
we didn't if she had been assaulted
if there was any sexual assault.
684
00:47:41,632 --> 00:47:42,702
It was very regular...
685
00:47:42,833 --> 00:47:45,003
that he would target people who had deme
686
00:47:45,532 --> 00:47:47,003
I personally think deliberately
687
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:50,429
but as you can imagine a lot of elderly
do have dementia
688
00:47:50,932 --> 00:47:53,202
and it makes it extremely difficult for
689
00:47:53,532 --> 00:47:56,802
to get any information from them
to help identify the offender.
690
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,030
At the time there was an extension
being built on this house
691
00:48:00,367 --> 00:48:03,527
in the next street it was like a buildin
site there effectively
692
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,099
and he was able to get through there, it
693
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,400
into the back garden of this house
694
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:12,003
and it's from there that he removed
the pane of glass and broke in.
695
00:48:12,367 --> 00:48:16,697
It was roughly on this spot here that Na
my DI and I had a conversation.
696
00:48:17,367 --> 00:48:19,226
We had officers all around this street
697
00:48:19,367 --> 00:48:21,509
investigating this break
in and we didn't really know what...
698
00:48:21,532 --> 00:48:23,472
had happened because the victim couldn't
699
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:28,699
They were weary they had been responding
to about 2-3 offenses a night
700
00:48:29,032 --> 00:48:31,773
for most of that week and
we were just chasing shadows.
701
00:48:32,266 --> 00:48:35,626
Almost simultaneously Nathan and I said
'we can't keep doing this...'
702
00:48:35,766 --> 00:48:40,327
His offending had increased massively
we had a large area of South East London
703
00:48:42,132 --> 00:48:43,603
two million people live in that area
704
00:48:43,733 --> 00:48:47,802
but we knew the areas he favoured and I
705
00:48:47,932 --> 00:48:49,702
as did everybody else on the team
706
00:48:50,166 --> 00:48:52,896
that if we had enough resources
707
00:48:53,032 --> 00:48:56,632
that we would be able to target the area
that he liked to offend in the most.
708
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,900
I'd had these sort of half ideas that re
some sort of proactive operation was...
709
00:49:02,467 --> 00:49:04,097
going to have to be the answer
710
00:49:04,467 --> 00:49:08,297
and I also knew that I would need a lot
both from those on the team below me
711
00:49:08,833 --> 00:49:12,273
and indeed a lot of support from those a
me if we were going to do it properly.
712
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,900
Everything that the operation had been d
for most of these 17 years was focused o
713
00:49:18,233 --> 00:49:22,932
Major plank of what they were trying
to achieve was to take swabs
714
00:49:23,532 --> 00:49:26,003
from as many people on the list as possi
715
00:49:26,132 --> 00:49:29,172
until they took a swab from the right ma
and everything would be fine.
716
00:49:31,067 --> 00:49:32,666
I took the view that wasn't going to hap
717
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,000
So we had to do something else
and that something else didn't involve..
718
00:49:37,733 --> 00:49:41,733
Doing an investigation of offenses
after they had happened
719
00:49:42,099 --> 00:49:44,809
because quite frankly we had been doing
for years and it hadn't worked.
720
00:49:44,833 --> 00:49:47,472
We needed something new
we needed a different approach.
721
00:49:47,699 --> 00:49:49,429
A different approach had to be
722
00:49:50,099 --> 00:49:53,500
Surveillance waiting for this prolific b
723
00:49:53,766 --> 00:49:56,496
to come and commit an offense in front o
724
00:49:56,733 --> 00:49:58,172
and catch him in the act.
725
00:50:03,266 --> 00:50:06,827
When I went across to Lewisham Police St
726
00:50:07,032 --> 00:50:11,603
begin my review of Operation Minstead
and I really didn't know anybody at all
727
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:14,699
Nathan was the first Police officer
I spoke to on Minstead
728
00:50:14,833 --> 00:50:18,932
he was supremely supportive of me
729
00:50:19,067 --> 00:50:23,067
and gave me his backing to everything
I was trying to do really
730
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:25,230
and I tried to repay that by keeping
731
00:50:25,367 --> 00:50:27,496
the pressure from above away from him so
732
00:50:27,632 --> 00:50:30,242
he could get on and do his job and manag
his team the way that he did.
733
00:50:30,266 --> 00:50:33,666
By the kind of end of September
beginning of October 2009
734
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,829
we were planning a very large proactive
in an attempt to catch the Nightstalker
735
00:50:38,132 --> 00:50:41,532
where we discussed the resources
that were required
736
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,500
and obviously we had to get approval
for the operational plan.
737
00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:48,773
In the past I had been involved with a b
you know when I was a PC at Tottenham.
738
00:50:48,967 --> 00:50:51,996
A guy called 'Errol Dobson'
he would take people's windows out.
739
00:50:52,532 --> 00:50:53,733
He wasn't sophisticated
740
00:50:53,867 --> 00:50:57,666
and we could just round up a dozen or tw
741
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,400
and sit and wait for him to commit
the crime right in front of us.
742
00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:04,097
The principle was the same with what
we was trying to do with the Nightstalke
743
00:51:04,233 --> 00:51:07,472
but he was so much cleverer
he was so much more cunning
744
00:51:08,099 --> 00:51:10,400
and he was doing over such a big area
745
00:51:10,766 --> 00:51:14,597
that we needed to have our tactics
and our resources refined
746
00:51:14,833 --> 00:51:16,773
in the same way if we were going to matc
747
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,199
I knew that if I was going to do this su
operation the way I wanted
748
00:51:21,333 --> 00:51:24,202
I needed some help from all across the M
749
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:27,630
So what I did was a I booked a meeting r
at Scotland Yard
750
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,199
to see some people
751
00:51:30,733 --> 00:51:32,202
of equivalent rank to me.
752
00:51:32,632 --> 00:51:36,072
I sent out an email to a dozen or so of
753
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:37,929
'can you come to a meeting at Scotland Y
754
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,000
When I get there, there was probably
twice that number of people
755
00:51:41,233 --> 00:51:44,172
and I think that was really
encouraging because certainly...
756
00:51:44,699 --> 00:51:49,500
my view from the time I'd been there I'd
actually Minstead was a little bit of a
757
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:53,099
that people got sort of shoved into
and nobody really cared about.
758
00:51:53,367 --> 00:51:54,697
We went to the meeting
759
00:51:54,833 --> 00:51:56,603
Colin was able to persuade them that the
760
00:51:56,766 --> 00:52:00,567
looked like a good one we were essential
against an open door in relation to the.
761
00:52:00,766 --> 00:52:01,967
Senior echelons of...
762
00:52:02,132 --> 00:52:03,932
the Met Police service.
763
00:52:04,067 --> 00:52:07,297
It was just a case of 'did we have the r
with the resources we wanted?'
764
00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:09,867
I presented it without a...
765
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,800
power point presentation
without graphs or whatever
766
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,000
I just kind of said
'this is happening now'
767
00:52:18,067 --> 00:52:26,067
'we are in the midst of the most prolifi
of Minstead Man's activity in 17 years'
768
00:52:27,367 --> 00:52:30,766
'I've had a 93-year-old tell me he inter
769
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,070
'I have an 88-year-old lady who is going
770
00:52:35,766 --> 00:52:37,166
'we need to stop it'
771
00:52:37,666 --> 00:52:39,226
What it took was guts
772
00:52:39,567 --> 00:52:44,367
because you are talking about
putting huge amounts of resources
773
00:52:44,833 --> 00:52:48,702
onto the streets and the cost
of that would be astronomical.
774
00:52:49,067 --> 00:52:50,396
Part of the operational plan
775
00:52:50,733 --> 00:52:54,132
was to have surveillance teams
and observation points
776
00:52:54,266 --> 00:52:56,827
in areas where the Nightstalker was acti
777
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:59,670
The first step on the road to the...
778
00:52:59,867 --> 00:53:03,967
surveillance operation really was
to work out where we were going to do it
779
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:06,369
Colin wanted to draw up an area
780
00:53:06,833 --> 00:53:08,972
which could feasibly be watched
781
00:53:09,699 --> 00:53:11,630
by a dragnet operation.
782
00:53:11,766 --> 00:53:14,797
Initially when the intelligence analyst
started looking at this
783
00:53:14,932 --> 00:53:16,902
produced the very first map and it was h
784
00:53:17,132 --> 00:53:18,373
so we had to refine it.
785
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:20,099
So, we went back to the drawing board...
786
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,170
again and we found another area still
in that Shirley Cluster
787
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:24,900
but in a smaller area
788
00:53:25,032 --> 00:53:29,632
Even so, something like one in every six
Minstead offenses took place in the area
789
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:34,969
and that was a smaller area we were able
with we thought around about 70 officers
790
00:53:35,099 --> 00:53:36,530
So that was the plan
791
00:53:36,733 --> 00:53:40,273
which was hatched and that was the plan
I took to the force tasking group.
792
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,199
As a result of that meeting a call went
793
00:53:43,532 --> 00:53:46,373
across the Met all the murder teams, ask
794
00:53:46,733 --> 00:53:48,572
DCs to go over and
795
00:53:48,699 --> 00:53:50,800
work on the case and I volunteered to go
796
00:53:50,932 --> 00:53:53,472
it was a case I wanted to get involved i
797
00:53:53,833 --> 00:53:57,373
He had the backing of the commissioner
Paul Stevenson at the time
798
00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:00,829
And it had the backing
of the senior management team.
799
00:54:00,967 --> 00:54:04,266
However, if it resulted in no one being
800
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,869
then a huge bill for overtime being subm
801
00:54:08,166 --> 00:54:12,666
and there was only one person who was go
to get the blame and that would have bee
802
00:54:24,833 --> 00:54:26,873
When the proactive operation began
803
00:54:27,099 --> 00:54:28,769
28th of October
804
00:54:28,967 --> 00:54:33,697
it was ran from a very large control roo
in Vauxhall and it was called Central 30
805
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,570
It's an absolute state of the art facili
806
00:54:36,733 --> 00:54:39,432
that its primarily used for...
807
00:54:39,867 --> 00:54:43,097
very serious things like terrorist
or kidnap incidents.
808
00:54:43,233 --> 00:54:49,373
It is essentially a large room with lots
of desk consoles with computers
809
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,170
telephones with radio channels on them
810
00:54:52,367 --> 00:54:57,396
and a long one wall is a bank of
I think is about 18 screens.
811
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,530
There was a surveillance control
812
00:54:59,932 --> 00:55:03,402
there was operational control which eith
myself or Colin were running
813
00:55:03,833 --> 00:55:06,132
and there were other officers monitoring
814
00:55:06,367 --> 00:55:11,597
in the control room so there is probably
people in the control room at any one ti
815
00:55:11,932 --> 00:55:15,202
You have a very large number
of officers out on the streets
816
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:20,829
and we had Minstead officers that were g
to monitor addresses that we had alarms
817
00:55:21,166 --> 00:55:23,367
Everybody was static
818
00:55:23,632 --> 00:55:25,802
tucked away in a place where
819
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,769
anybody walking or driving through the a
820
00:55:29,099 --> 00:55:30,800
would have just no chance of seeing them
821
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:35,070
And to back that up apart from
we had air support as well
822
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,130
but we had a mobile surveillance team
823
00:55:38,666 --> 00:55:43,666
that was situated outside
the area we were surveilling.
824
00:55:43,833 --> 00:55:47,972
The reason for that was that if we stopp
825
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,099
four people during the course
of the investigation
826
00:55:51,233 --> 00:55:53,432
that weren't the Nightstalker
827
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:58,400
that word would get on the grapevine tha
were doing a big operation there
828
00:55:58,766 --> 00:56:03,396
and it would effectively blow
the surveillance it would be no good any
829
00:56:03,766 --> 00:56:05,396
The night shift would start
830
00:56:05,532 --> 00:56:07,902
with a briefing at Lewisham police stati
831
00:56:08,032 --> 00:56:10,952
and there would be about 70 police offic
including the surveillance teams.
832
00:56:11,233 --> 00:56:12,873
We'd be given an update on the case
833
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,030
Either myself or Colin
834
00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:16,027
would brief what was expected of them
835
00:56:16,166 --> 00:56:19,527
and what their roles were
what to do in the event of anything happ
836
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,199
I was allocated
837
00:56:21,333 --> 00:56:24,532
the role of being in a mobile unit in a
838
00:56:24,666 --> 00:56:26,827
and I was with two other officers in the
839
00:56:26,967 --> 00:56:31,396
but out of sight and to be in radio cont
with the rest of the team
840
00:56:31,567 --> 00:56:33,766
And then they would be sent
to their operational areas
841
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,130
with the right communication
and the right assets and resources.
842
00:56:37,532 --> 00:56:39,873
And everybody goes down to Shirley
843
00:56:40,266 --> 00:56:43,867
they are in their OP's by 11pm.
844
00:56:44,432 --> 00:56:47,972
I'm at Central 3000 with the inside team
845
00:56:48,266 --> 00:56:53,666
waiting for this prolific burglar to com
commit an offense in front of our eyes.
846
00:57:23,833 --> 00:57:27,273
Than the time came, started to get light
thought 'well he's never going to come'
847
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,329
And nothing happened essentially.
848
00:57:29,967 --> 00:57:31,396
Very little movement all night.
849
00:57:31,532 --> 00:57:37,103
One or two vehicles passed by
no pedestrians and we all go home.
850
00:57:41,932 --> 00:57:44,833
First night of surveillance passed throu
851
00:57:45,367 --> 00:57:47,567
we thought without an incident.
Nothing Happened.
852
00:57:48,132 --> 00:57:50,873
It wasn't until I got back into
Lewisham the next morning
853
00:57:51,532 --> 00:57:54,833
that I found out overnight
there had been three burglaries
854
00:57:55,067 --> 00:57:57,797
which we thought were almost
certainly Nightstalker jobs.
855
00:57:58,099 --> 00:57:59,570
And those...
856
00:57:59,867 --> 00:58:05,027
offenses had happened just outside
the boundary of our surveillance operati
857
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:06,630
The first two...
858
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:11,400
were in this road here
the first of those was an attempt where.
859
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,400
He failed for once to get the glass out
didn't manage to get in
860
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:18,500
so he tried again at another house
just down the road.
861
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:24,429
Now the annoying thing about this
is that this location here is literally
862
00:58:24,932 --> 00:58:28,202
a hundred yards north of where
our surveillance area started.
863
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:34,230
He was that close to us on
the very first night and we missed him.
864
00:58:34,367 --> 00:58:38,067
But there was more to it than that becau
the third burglary
865
00:58:38,666 --> 00:58:44,396
took place about a mile in that directio
just down by the Royal Bethlem Hospital.
866
00:58:44,632 --> 00:58:49,003
The only way that the Nightstalker could
have got from this burglary here
867
00:58:49,367 --> 00:58:54,097
to the 3rd one down there was right thro
where we were doing our surveillance.
868
00:58:54,666 --> 00:59:01,726
It was a vehicle must have been used. Yo
walk from the second to the third burgla
869
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:03,730
And when you looked at the map
870
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,630
the only logical way to drive that journ
would be straight down our plot.
871
00:59:10,699 --> 00:59:14,429
Now there was a school that had CCTV on
872
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:20,769
and there were a couple of frames that s
a vehicle going past at about the right
873
00:59:21,099 --> 00:59:24,670
Although it was a very grainy shot
it just showed the top of the car
874
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,969
we were able to show that to the experts
and they were able to identify
875
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,570
that it was a Vauxhall Zafira and what
sort of model and the colour.
876
00:59:34,699 --> 00:59:38,730
They also found a man who used to work
for the Metropolitan police actually.
877
00:59:38,867 --> 00:59:46,297
He lived on Orchard Way and he had his
own CCTV on his own cars in the drive.
878
00:59:46,532 --> 00:59:50,172
There was enough to show a car parking u
879
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,199
adjacent to where somebody would
have gone to commit the third burglary
880
00:59:56,067 --> 00:59:58,067
and even at one point his footage showed
881
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,130
somebody walking around the car.
882
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:05,070
All of a sudden we knew what sort of car
what make and model and colour
883
01:00:05,766 --> 01:00:09,297
that was driven by the Nightstalker
and that appeared a huge step forward
884
01:00:09,432 --> 01:00:13,302
but I had to kind of temper the optimism
885
01:00:13,833 --> 01:00:19,132
I'd been there before in other cases and
knowing the make model and color of a ca
886
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:23,699
is a start but it can mean a whole load
887
01:00:24,132 --> 01:00:27,873
beyond that to try and find that one
car and to use it evidentially.
888
01:00:28,532 --> 01:00:30,802
And what I did know was that
if we were going to do that
889
01:00:30,932 --> 01:00:32,773
we wasn't going to have time to do the s
890
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:38,730
it was kind of or the resources either a
on finding the car or doing the surveill
891
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,199
Having worked with Colin
892
01:00:41,567 --> 01:00:44,067
I knew him and trusted him and...
893
01:00:44,867 --> 01:00:49,726
had faith in what he was doing and could
the logic behind his thought process
894
01:00:52,367 --> 01:00:55,867
and wanted it to work and believed it wo
895
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,030
you know
that kept the whole thing going.
896
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,429
We're doing the surveillance
that's our main choice.
897
01:01:05,233 --> 01:01:06,672
After the investigation
898
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,230
that took place when I first joined the
899
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,500
was that the Nightstalker was
900
01:01:11,632 --> 01:01:14,072
stealing victims cash point cards
901
01:01:14,233 --> 01:01:16,873
and then going to a nearby cashpoint
902
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,429
and using the card to withdraw money.
903
01:01:19,567 --> 01:01:21,567
When he started in 1992
904
01:01:21,867 --> 01:01:24,527
all pensioners got their state pension
905
01:01:24,833 --> 01:01:27,032
with a book at the post office in cash.
906
01:01:27,266 --> 01:01:32,396
But then obviously technology came along
people had bank cards to prevent cash be
907
01:01:32,532 --> 01:01:34,702
What he did was he started taking their
908
01:01:34,833 --> 01:01:37,702
and most of them were so frightened or t
909
01:01:37,833 --> 01:01:40,373
by him that they gave him their PIN numb
910
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:45,599
After he had committed his rapes he went
bank and withdrew money.
911
01:01:45,733 --> 01:01:47,103
One of the areas we targeted
912
01:01:47,233 --> 01:01:50,672
for the main surveillance operation was
a cash point in Honor Oak
913
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,429
which was attached to an off license.
914
01:01:52,567 --> 01:01:55,697
The relevance of that was that in 2007
915
01:01:55,833 --> 01:02:00,273
the Nightstalker had used that cash poin
with victims credit cards
916
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,699
to get money out of their accounts.
917
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,699
We were pretty certain it was him but th
was no detail they weren't able to assis
918
01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:14,302
It was such a disappointment
919
01:02:14,967 --> 01:02:17,666
he had obviously wanted to keep himself
just as secure
920
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,900
from any cameras around the cash point
921
01:02:20,032 --> 01:02:22,532
as he did when he went in to commit the
922
01:02:22,733 --> 01:02:25,733
As the 2009 proactive operation
923
01:02:26,032 --> 01:02:28,472
began to gather pace we decided to
924
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:31,300
get some better quality cameras fitted
925
01:02:31,632 --> 01:02:34,132
around that area in Honor Oak.
926
01:02:34,467 --> 01:02:37,427
As a result of that we got some really g
927
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,599
of the Nightstalker when he came from
928
01:02:39,766 --> 01:02:43,896
two addresses with the victims credit ca
and attempted to withdraw cash.
929
01:02:44,032 --> 01:02:46,273
Unfortunately we didn't see his face
930
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,730
but there is some excellent detail in th
931
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,199
his height and build which gave us
really good intelligence.
932
01:02:55,833 --> 01:02:58,202
A couple of nights after this
933
01:02:58,500 --> 01:02:59,969
there is another attempt
934
01:03:00,099 --> 01:03:03,329
to use a stolen debit card at a cash mac
935
01:03:03,632 --> 01:03:07,132
The cash machine this time was
at a branch of HSBC bank
936
01:03:07,266 --> 01:03:09,467
that was then on the corner of Western R
937
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:13,869
The local police had been round
and public appeal posters
938
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,599
about operation Minstead
939
01:03:16,032 --> 01:03:18,802
with an e-fit on of Minstead Man
940
01:03:19,166 --> 01:03:21,266
and the bank being public spirited
941
01:03:22,333 --> 01:03:24,103
had put one of these posters in their wi
942
01:03:24,467 --> 01:03:26,496
and the poster in the window was literal
943
01:03:26,632 --> 01:03:28,672
three feet away from the cash machine.
944
01:03:28,932 --> 01:03:32,472
So you've got Minstead man standing ther
945
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:35,269
trying to steal money from one
of his victims accounts
946
01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:37,532
and just there by his head
947
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,570
is an e-fit of him staring at himself.
948
01:03:40,867 --> 01:03:42,367
As it turned out
949
01:03:42,632 --> 01:03:46,172
previously, he didn't need to worry beca
he looked nothing like the e-fit.
950
01:03:48,467 --> 01:03:50,027
That's all I'm going to say about that.
951
01:04:00,032 --> 01:04:01,932
That first night was
952
01:04:02,067 --> 01:04:06,496
for all intents and purposes quite quiet
all of us involved in the investigation.
953
01:04:06,733 --> 01:04:09,103
When we went in for the second night
of surveillance
954
01:04:09,233 --> 01:04:10,873
it occurred to us that
955
01:04:11,032 --> 01:04:13,532
the reason we hadn't been aware of these
956
01:04:13,666 --> 01:04:19,027
occurring the night before is that we we
monitoring the CAD messages live.
957
01:04:19,166 --> 01:04:21,996
CAD is shorthand for Computer Aided Disp
958
01:04:22,132 --> 01:04:23,972
essentially it's just electronic message
959
01:04:24,099 --> 01:04:27,269
They get passed between police stations
and police operational units
960
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,829
and from the center which is New Scotlan
961
01:04:30,067 --> 01:04:34,327
On the second night of the new proactive
there was an interesting development.
962
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:35,829
We picked up a CAD
963
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,670
from Lambeth and what had taken place wa
964
01:04:39,833 --> 01:04:46,373
woman had been in bed when she heard wha
thought was somebody going through her s
965
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,369
She was certain it was somebody trying
to break into her house.
966
01:04:49,567 --> 01:04:50,896
She dialled 999
967
01:04:51,032 --> 01:04:54,003
the call was dealt with the sort
of seriousness and priority
968
01:04:54,132 --> 01:04:58,972
that it should had been uniformed office
were dispatched to the address.
969
01:04:59,099 --> 01:05:03,699
He came into her room saw her on the pho
took it from her threw it away and ran.
970
01:05:04,367 --> 01:05:08,827
And he ran down the road as quickly as h
and a police car came out of the T junct
971
01:05:09,567 --> 01:05:14,367
and they drove up towards it and he veer
off down the side of a house down an all
972
01:05:14,833 --> 01:05:18,972
where the car couldn't go so an officer
the car young officer a fit officer
973
01:05:19,532 --> 01:05:20,902
and he gave chase.
974
01:05:21,032 --> 01:05:23,376
It was an incredible account
he chased him for nearly two miles
975
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,530
through streets parks
rivers and over walls and fences.
976
01:05:27,666 --> 01:05:32,067
And eventually over a wall
and into a carpark of a megastore
977
01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:35,599
and when the officer
came over the wall he couldn't see.
978
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,199
Where this figure he had been chasing ha
979
01:05:39,833 --> 01:05:41,273
he had got away.
980
01:05:41,733 --> 01:05:45,032
But we were that close that close
we were ten seconds behind
981
01:05:45,733 --> 01:05:47,032
Minstead Man at one point.
982
01:05:47,367 --> 01:05:49,097
I remember one of my colleagues telling.
983
01:05:49,233 --> 01:05:51,242
It was incredulous he couldn't believe
he had gotten away
984
01:05:51,266 --> 01:05:53,987
that by the time he had gotten to top
of the wall he had disappeared.
985
01:05:54,266 --> 01:05:55,266
You could hear a pin drop
986
01:05:55,632 --> 01:05:58,632
in there it was a very very tense moment
for the people
987
01:05:59,099 --> 01:06:03,030
at the controls thinking any second
988
01:06:04,132 --> 01:06:07,833
we might actually have him he might actu
be in the custody with a police officer.
989
01:06:08,032 --> 01:06:09,402
But of course it didn't happen.
990
01:06:09,567 --> 01:06:13,027
From that we realised that
the Nightstalker must be a very fit
991
01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:17,333
man who is able to run quickly
and for quite a long time.
992
01:06:17,833 --> 01:06:20,932
What could happen?
Well he could just stop he could go to g
993
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:24,929
he could just give up he could say to hi
994
01:06:26,266 --> 01:06:27,266
'you've had a good run
995
01:06:27,467 --> 01:06:29,067
you're going to get caught if you keep g
996
01:06:29,132 --> 01:06:31,003
you better stop now' and he might never
997
01:06:31,132 --> 01:06:33,972
Colin wanted to keep it out
of the press because he didn't want to
998
01:06:34,132 --> 01:06:35,932
risk the suspect
999
01:06:36,067 --> 01:06:39,367
going to ground and then us losing
the opportunity to actually catch him.
1000
01:06:39,532 --> 01:06:41,672
I had a reasonable enough relationship
1001
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,630
with Colin to ring him up and he was at
1002
01:06:44,766 --> 01:06:48,797
great pains to say
'please desist from publishing this stor
1003
01:06:49,032 --> 01:06:52,833
There was a possibility
that it could drive him undercover.
1004
01:06:53,099 --> 01:06:54,869
Obviously we weren't to be aware
1005
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,900
at that point of the huge operation
that had been launched by the police
1006
01:06:59,367 --> 01:07:00,697
to try and find him.
1007
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:04,030
Immediately after the second night when
1008
01:07:04,532 --> 01:07:05,902
he was almost caught in Southwark
1009
01:07:06,032 --> 01:07:10,902
we had a two week period where there
was absolutely quiet
1010
01:07:11,032 --> 01:07:14,273
silence no indication that he was about
on the streets
1011
01:07:14,532 --> 01:07:16,003
no calls
1012
01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:19,126
no information whatsoever we were concer
that he had gone to ground
1013
01:07:19,266 --> 01:07:22,027
which obviously gave us indication
that it was him that was chased.
1014
01:07:22,467 --> 01:07:24,266
I was absolutely confident
1015
01:07:24,632 --> 01:07:28,702
that if we stayed there eventually he wo
back and commit a crime right in front o
1016
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,329
I just couldn't put a time limit on that
1017
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,099
I was going to keep my nerve
1018
01:07:34,233 --> 01:07:35,873
the team were ready to keep their nerve
1019
01:07:36,032 --> 01:07:39,972
it was a question to me as to whether th
would sanction it to keep going.
1020
01:07:40,367 --> 01:07:41,766
I was encouraged
1021
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:44,730
by the senior management of the MPS
who essentially held their nerve
1022
01:07:45,032 --> 01:07:48,972
and stayed with it but we were very conc
that he could seriously injure or kill s
1023
01:07:49,099 --> 01:07:51,842
so obviously that was one of the factors
that had to be taken into account.
1024
01:07:51,867 --> 01:07:55,766
So we kept going and so we'd now done
1025
01:07:56,367 --> 01:08:01,467
16 nights and from a personal point of v
it was absolutely fatiguing.
1026
01:08:02,233 --> 01:08:04,072
In the two week period afterwards
1027
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:06,329
I wasn't available I was on a course at
1028
01:08:06,467 --> 01:08:11,896
so Colin was running the operational sid
in Central 3000 so he was on his own
1029
01:08:12,333 --> 01:08:14,902
So for two weeks he couldn't
help me out at the control
1030
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,100
or at Lewisham during the day
1031
01:08:17,766 --> 01:08:21,667
so I'm doing the briefing at 9-9.30 at L
going in and doing
1032
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,199
effectively a night duty until
half 5-6 in the morning
1033
01:08:26,332 --> 01:08:28,672
going home for a few hours to sleep
1034
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,529
and back in to Lewisham at 9 for the bri
1035
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,170
The surveillance went on for a couple of
1036
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:38,529
But despite the time it was taking
I still had faith in Colin and that
1037
01:08:39,067 --> 01:08:41,127
that the operation was going to be succe
1038
01:08:41,899 --> 01:08:44,630
Surveillance work can be sometimes quite
1039
01:08:44,766 --> 01:08:48,426
boring really because for most
of the time nothing happens
1040
01:08:48,867 --> 01:08:50,966
but you can't afford to take the chance
1041
01:08:51,266 --> 01:08:56,867
falling asleep you've got to be alert an
We really wanted to get hands on this gu
1042
01:08:57,067 --> 01:09:01,327
and we were all behind Colin and support
1043
01:09:02,932 --> 01:09:04,903
his plans really to keep it going.
1044
01:09:12,932 --> 01:09:15,502
I finished my course on Friday 13th of N
1045
01:09:15,667 --> 01:09:17,367
I realised he was probably exhausted
1046
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,170
so I offered to do the weekend
and potentially the week after that
1047
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,199
so I was up there on Friday the 13th in
1048
01:09:23,332 --> 01:09:25,703
I said well you know I'm sorted out toni
1049
01:09:25,832 --> 01:09:28,573
but come in on Saturday do Saturday and
1050
01:09:28,867 --> 01:09:31,197
and I can have two days off which would
1051
01:09:31,966 --> 01:09:38,667
That Saturday night I stayed at home for
1052
01:09:38,966 --> 01:09:41,197
and watched the football had
a glass of wine or whiskey
1053
01:09:41,332 --> 01:09:44,972
or something and it was sort of relaxing
and I need to catch up on my sleep.
1054
01:09:49,699 --> 01:09:53,529
We started at the normal time
on the 14th of November at 11pm
1055
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:55,930
and it was a pretty quiet evening from m
1056
01:09:56,067 --> 01:10:00,127
nothing particularly exciting happening
at the cash points or the other areas.
1057
01:10:01,367 --> 01:10:03,027
And then in the early hours
1058
01:10:03,167 --> 01:10:06,627
we got a call over the radio from one
of the officers from the observation poi
1059
01:10:06,766 --> 01:10:08,627
The Vauxhall Zafira was seen
1060
01:10:08,766 --> 01:10:11,567
nearby old peoples type housing
1061
01:10:11,733 --> 01:10:15,002
from one of the observation points
and that had been put up to the whole te
1062
01:10:15,132 --> 01:10:18,203
Soon after that a man fitting
the description of the Nightstalker
1063
01:10:18,332 --> 01:10:20,703
was seen running from one of these house
1064
01:10:20,832 --> 01:10:23,302
The suspect running towards a Vauxhall Z
1065
01:10:23,533 --> 01:10:27,233
was exceptionally important to us becaus
we had identified prior to that night
1066
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:30,069
that the Nightstalker
was using a type b Vauxhall Zafira.
1067
01:10:30,233 --> 01:10:32,372
So as far as we were concerned, game on.
1068
01:10:32,733 --> 01:10:34,233
And he got in his Zafira
1069
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:36,199
the lights came on and he drove off.
1070
01:10:38,699 --> 01:10:45,500
He drives off up Orchard way where there
a lot of static observation posts.
1071
01:10:45,899 --> 01:10:49,670
The plan was not to stop anybody
or to arrest anybody
1072
01:10:49,932 --> 01:10:54,203
here on the plot because if it was the w
1073
01:10:54,432 --> 01:10:59,403
then we would probably have details
of our surveillance operation leak out.
1074
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,199
An officer or two from the OP went to
the actual address he was seen coming fr
1075
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,100
and the information I received
1076
01:11:05,233 --> 01:11:07,872
back in the control room was that it loo
like that address had been
1077
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:09,399
attempted to be forced.
1078
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:14,399
In my mind I'm thinking well
he's not a resident of this address
1079
01:11:14,533 --> 01:11:18,472
so he is likely to be a burglar
hence the Nightstalker.
1080
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,470
The Nightstalker was driving
quite quickly for some of this
1081
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,899
he got up to nearly 60 miles per hour in
1082
01:11:24,033 --> 01:11:27,603
I'm convinced and so are the rest of the
that he knew he was being followed
1083
01:11:28,266 --> 01:11:30,896
and that he essentially tried
to get away by speeding.
1084
01:11:31,432 --> 01:11:34,573
What the surveillance team were able
to do was somebody using his local knowl
1085
01:11:34,699 --> 01:11:36,000
took a side turning
1086
01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:37,500
and went on ahead of him
1087
01:11:37,632 --> 01:11:41,132
to slow him down which enabled the follo
1088
01:11:41,266 --> 01:11:44,197
surveillance team to catch up.
1089
01:11:44,533 --> 01:11:48,672
By now we have a convoy of about 4 polic
1090
01:11:48,966 --> 01:11:53,827
and one of those vehicles is equipped
with covert blue lights and sirens.
1091
01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:55,729
He couldn't know
1092
01:11:55,966 --> 01:12:00,197
that when we stopped him it was because
we followed him all the way from Shirley
1093
01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:05,703
We just wanted him to think it was a ran
stop in the street so that if it was the
1094
01:12:06,367 --> 01:12:08,896
then we wouldn't jeopardize
the surveillance operation.
1095
01:12:09,033 --> 01:12:10,203
You can see were on a
1096
01:12:10,832 --> 01:12:13,773
reasonably wide and busy main road
1097
01:12:13,932 --> 01:12:16,372
and that's fine because we can keep cont
1098
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:22,899
but then the Zafira indicates
and turns left onto a very different roa
1099
01:12:23,567 --> 01:12:26,127
The character of the buildings
changed and suddenly
1100
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:28,199
we're on a residential street.
1101
01:12:28,332 --> 01:12:30,502
It's very much the sort of place
1102
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,130
where the Nightstalker would make his at
1103
01:12:35,033 --> 01:12:36,733
So a decision was made to stop
1104
01:12:36,867 --> 01:12:39,743
him there and then so he couldn't get aw
get out of the vehicle and do a runner.
1105
01:12:39,766 --> 01:12:41,896
It became an easy decision for Nathan to
1106
01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:43,132
'strike now'.
1107
01:12:47,932 --> 01:12:50,002
It was utter confusion when he gets stop
1108
01:12:50,132 --> 01:12:52,903
I phoned one of the operational Minstead
sergeants
1109
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,630
and I asked him to find out what was goi
1110
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,800
had he been spoken to, who was this man?
1111
01:12:57,932 --> 01:13:01,632
Get some information off of him
so that we didn't make an unnecessary ar
1112
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:05,630
The officer asked him a few questions th
led him to believe that we had
1113
01:13:06,432 --> 01:13:09,703
a person who was very likely to be the N
1114
01:13:09,832 --> 01:13:14,502
And the officer asked him and
he said his name was Kelvin Grant
1115
01:13:14,699 --> 01:13:17,869
the officer said 'Ok, have you got any I
and he said 'no'
1116
01:13:18,567 --> 01:13:20,697
and he started to have a look and he saw
1117
01:13:20,832 --> 01:13:23,033
he could see that in the center console
1118
01:13:23,332 --> 01:13:28,002
there was some cards and he saw the name
on there was Delroy Easton Grant.
1119
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,329
Some of the clothing from...
1120
01:13:30,466 --> 01:13:32,226
I think it was in August 2009
1121
01:13:32,367 --> 01:13:35,296
that he wore when he approached the cash
with his hood up and
1122
01:13:35,432 --> 01:13:36,533
gloves on etcetera
1123
01:13:36,667 --> 01:13:38,627
that clothing was found in his car
1124
01:13:38,766 --> 01:13:41,627
direct link from images found at the cas
1125
01:13:41,766 --> 01:13:42,827
to his arrest.
1126
01:13:42,966 --> 01:13:45,266
When they looked in the glove compartmen
1127
01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:48,430
there was sort a balaclava/woollen hat
1128
01:13:48,567 --> 01:13:54,926
which fitted the description given
by so many victims after the crimes
1129
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:58,899
when they looked in the boot there was
even more evidence because
1130
01:13:59,167 --> 01:14:01,226
there was a grey
1131
01:14:01,832 --> 01:14:05,533
fleecy top, a can of petrol
pair of shoes, a crowbar
1132
01:14:05,832 --> 01:14:07,302
and a big screwdriver.
1133
01:14:07,733 --> 01:14:10,103
The Nightstalker was finally stopped
1134
01:14:10,332 --> 01:14:15,273
and the handcuffs were put on him and we
to identify him as Delroy Grant.
1135
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:20,930
Delroy Grant was arrested.
1136
01:14:28,699 --> 01:14:31,600
About half past one, my mobile rang and
1137
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,329
and he uttered the immortal words
1138
01:14:35,533 --> 01:14:37,332
'Hello Colin, I think we've got him'
1139
01:14:38,966 --> 01:14:40,197
to which I replied
1140
01:14:40,332 --> 01:14:42,103
'Are you joking?' and he said
1141
01:14:42,233 --> 01:14:44,876
'would I really ring you up at half past
and joke about something like that?'
1142
01:14:44,899 --> 01:14:46,729
As far as I was concerned the descriptio
1143
01:14:46,867 --> 01:14:49,067
the method, the vehicle he was using
1144
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:52,100
the various items that were
seen through the vehicle window
1145
01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:54,199
prior to it being removed
1146
01:14:54,632 --> 01:14:59,172
we were pretty certain that he was our m
so we were happy, very happy.
1147
01:14:59,632 --> 01:15:01,632
No I didn't feel any guilt
1148
01:15:01,766 --> 01:15:04,542
that I had been in the control room
when the Nightstalker been arrested
1149
01:15:04,567 --> 01:15:07,396
and Colin wouldn't have felt none at all
it was the butt of many jokes
1150
01:15:07,533 --> 01:15:09,432
for weeks and weeks afterwards
1151
01:15:09,766 --> 01:15:12,775
that I had been on a course and stepped
in on that night he had been arrested.
1152
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,109
The simple fact was there was no way
I was going back to sleep
1153
01:15:15,132 --> 01:15:17,033
because I was just too excited and wound
1154
01:15:17,167 --> 01:15:19,327
by hearing the story of his arrest so
1155
01:15:19,699 --> 01:15:22,069
I drove into Lewisham and went into the
1156
01:15:22,832 --> 01:15:24,802
and that's when I was introduced to Delr
1157
01:15:24,932 --> 01:15:28,472
for the first time and I finally got my
on Minstead Man.
1158
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,430
One of the officers sort of said 'this i
he's the boss'
1159
01:15:31,567 --> 01:15:37,327
and Delroy Grant shook my hand he extend
shook my hand, bowed his head.
1160
01:15:37,699 --> 01:15:39,829
A bit of a surprise that he was so polit
1161
01:15:39,966 --> 01:15:42,127
so sort of differential, I never had som
1162
01:15:42,266 --> 01:15:45,527
who was so willing to strike
up an irrelevant conversation
1163
01:15:45,899 --> 01:15:48,329
and to kind of prolong it as he was
1164
01:15:48,699 --> 01:15:52,000
it was a window to me
1165
01:15:52,567 --> 01:15:57,726
to the kind of Delroy Grant that people
to tell us about in the coming weeks.
1166
01:15:58,033 --> 01:16:00,802
What struck me was how fit he was for a
1167
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,800
and then all the scenes I've been to
1168
01:16:02,932 --> 01:16:05,903
some of the windows that he managed to e
and I remember standing there with
1169
01:16:06,033 --> 01:16:09,233
Colin saying 'how did somebody get into
and it all started
1170
01:16:09,367 --> 01:16:11,896
to come together with how wiry and muscu
1171
01:16:12,233 --> 01:16:13,733
and how flexible he was
1172
01:16:14,233 --> 01:16:17,372
and that just gave me even more reason
to believe that we had got the right per
1173
01:16:20,067 --> 01:16:24,497
They booked him in and they took his clo
from him and bagged it in case it was ev
1174
01:16:24,766 --> 01:16:28,096
and there was a very obscure provision
in the police criminal evidence act wher
1175
01:16:28,233 --> 01:16:32,872
interviews can be conducted
with people if there is a life at risk
1176
01:16:33,067 --> 01:16:36,296
without solicitors and rights
and the officers said to him 'look
1177
01:16:36,432 --> 01:16:41,403
have you been anywhere
is there an old lady lying somewhere wit
1178
01:16:41,533 --> 01:16:44,273
who needs medical assistance because
you've been there tonight'
1179
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:47,100
he was quite sort of chilling
in his reply when he said
1180
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:50,100
'I've not visited anybody tonight'
1181
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:54,500
that was his reply, 'I've not visited an
1182
01:16:54,632 --> 01:16:57,302
When he was asked to give his fingerprin
1183
01:16:57,432 --> 01:17:02,273
he made an off the record comment
to the officers doing it saying
1184
01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:05,300
'it's pointless you doing this
you know I always wore gloves'.
1185
01:17:05,432 --> 01:17:07,472
A sample had been taken when he had been
1186
01:17:07,632 --> 01:17:09,432
which is pretty standard
1187
01:17:09,567 --> 01:17:13,796
that was then couriered by officers
by hand to the forensic science service
1188
01:17:13,932 --> 01:17:17,832
the opened up their lab and by 4pm that
1189
01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,266
it was confirmed that it was him
1190
01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:22,170
and that he was the Nightstalker.
1191
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:24,270
Delroy Grant was 53 years old
1192
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:27,399
he lived in Brockley Mews in South East
1193
01:17:27,766 --> 01:17:31,466
with his second wife who suffered from
1194
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,300
degenerative and progressive
multiple sclerosis.
1195
01:17:34,533 --> 01:17:36,832
After Grant was charged
1196
01:17:36,966 --> 01:17:39,766
I became the family liaison officer
1197
01:17:39,899 --> 01:17:43,670
which is an unusual thing to happen but
1198
01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:45,596
the family really were victims
1199
01:17:45,733 --> 01:17:47,403
of his as well because
1200
01:17:47,533 --> 01:17:49,802
they were innocent people
1201
01:17:49,932 --> 01:17:54,703
who all of a sudden had their world turn
upside down by what had happened.
1202
01:17:54,832 --> 01:17:58,273
It was obvious the police were searching
the house and it didn't take long
1203
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:03,670
for the local community to realise who
had been arrested and where he lived.
1204
01:18:03,932 --> 01:18:08,603
Their lives had been made incredibly dif
by what had happened.
1205
01:18:08,733 --> 01:18:13,802
Despite the DNA hit they still couldn't
that their father was the Nightstalker.
1206
01:18:15,466 --> 01:18:18,396
He was a good father, he enjoyed cricket
1207
01:18:19,067 --> 01:18:22,067
people spoke of him well
1208
01:18:22,233 --> 01:18:25,472
no one really had anything bad to say on
1209
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,229
He's such a nice guy but I just can't
the shock, it's unbelievable.
1210
01:18:29,533 --> 01:18:32,233
You know, totally devoted to his wife an
1211
01:18:32,367 --> 01:18:37,197
and as I said it's just come as a shock
in this small tight knit community.
1212
01:18:37,332 --> 01:18:39,103
He was registered as someone
1213
01:18:39,233 --> 01:18:42,073
that was a carer for his wife Jennifer.
1214
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:48,600
Of course, the only footnote
to add to it was the car he was driving
1215
01:18:48,733 --> 01:18:51,332
the car he was allotted on the Motabilit
1216
01:18:51,899 --> 01:18:57,600
for driving Jennifer around was also the
he was driving out to the scenes of his
1217
01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:01,329
So, it really was like he was living thi
1218
01:19:01,632 --> 01:19:04,533
and in the early days of his incarcerati
1219
01:19:04,667 --> 01:19:07,997
at the police station there was
an officer taking food into his cell
1220
01:19:08,132 --> 01:19:11,703
he said to her 'I've got a thing about t
1221
01:19:11,899 --> 01:19:15,029
you need to be really careful
I don't want to drop anyone in it
1222
01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:21,226
but you do want to check my son's DNA be
I understand it could be quite close to
1223
01:19:21,367 --> 01:19:27,966
I think it's likely that he has committe
offenses not me, so you need to have a l
1224
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:31,869
at that point trying to throw
the suspicion off himself
1225
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:34,470
which is breath-taking really.
1226
01:19:36,567 --> 01:19:38,827
The question that everybody wanted answe
1227
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:40,500
after he was arrested
1228
01:19:40,766 --> 01:19:42,197
was 'was he in the system?'
1229
01:19:42,332 --> 01:19:45,372
and what they meant by that was did
we have a file on our database
1230
01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:47,430
relating to Delroy Grant.
1231
01:19:49,233 --> 01:19:56,203
And the answer to that was yes
but the start of his spree in the summer
1232
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,970
he committed a burglary in Bromley
1233
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:04,600
the local Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinat
had seen a BMW car
1234
01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:11,130
acting suspiciously at the time of a bur
and he had taken the number of that BMW.
1235
01:20:11,766 --> 01:20:14,327
He saw a man get out of the car
1236
01:20:15,067 --> 01:20:19,567
put a balaclava on, put a set of gloves
on and go towards his neighbours address
1237
01:20:20,266 --> 01:20:22,867
What happened was that
was investigated by Bromley borough
1238
01:20:23,033 --> 01:20:24,533
Bromley borough officer
1239
01:20:24,699 --> 01:20:28,770
did some courtesy police national comput
checks and found tow Delroy Grants
1240
01:20:28,932 --> 01:20:30,372
that she thought
1241
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:33,000
were likely to be the suspect
one had an address in Leicester
1242
01:20:33,432 --> 01:20:35,002
and one had an address in Dulwich.
1243
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:37,029
Not unreasonably she assumed
1244
01:20:37,167 --> 01:20:41,197
that the Dulwich one would be the one sh
looking for because it was S.E.London
1245
01:20:42,233 --> 01:20:46,073
that man, that Delroy Grant was the wron
1246
01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:49,000
The one that lived at Brockley Mews
had formally lived in Leicester
1247
01:20:49,132 --> 01:20:52,172
that was our Delroy Grant the one we arr
the one that was in the cells.
1248
01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:55,430
Where it was crucial to operation Minste
1249
01:20:55,899 --> 01:20:57,829
was that the wrong Delroy Grant
1250
01:20:57,966 --> 01:21:01,596
had his DNA taken when arrested for othe
1251
01:21:01,733 --> 01:21:03,632
and was on the database.
1252
01:21:04,332 --> 01:21:07,432
When they asked for the DNA
from the Minstead crime scene
1253
01:21:07,966 --> 01:21:10,966
to be compared to Delroy Grants DNA
1254
01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:15,300
they compare it to the wrong one
the wrong DNA there is no match.
1255
01:21:17,067 --> 01:21:22,396
And that point onwards, Delroy Grant
of Brockley Mews is on the Minstead comp
1256
01:21:22,867 --> 01:21:25,527
as eliminated by DNA.
1257
01:21:26,266 --> 01:21:31,197
And what's also just a salutary lesson
to how these things should be checked
1258
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,270
in 2001 somebody did phone
the incident room and say
1259
01:21:36,632 --> 01:21:41,703
'I've seen all your publicity about Mins
and I think Delroy Grant of Brockley Mew
1260
01:21:42,067 --> 01:21:42,926
could be your man
1261
01:21:43,067 --> 01:21:44,243
I think he might have done it'.
1262
01:21:44,266 --> 01:21:46,596
The first thing they would do is go to t
1263
01:21:47,033 --> 01:21:48,603
eliminate it by DNA.
1264
01:21:48,899 --> 01:21:50,600
Even if they had swabbed
1265
01:21:50,932 --> 01:21:53,903
all the 20 thousand people on their list
he wasn't one of them.
1266
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:59,829
So that mistake that assumption
and lack of checking
1267
01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:05,600
by one officer poisoned it forever
more and Delroy Grant
1268
01:22:05,733 --> 01:22:12,703
had another ten years of liberty and doz
more people were victimized while he was
1269
01:22:25,167 --> 01:22:27,396
He pleaded not guilty
1270
01:22:27,832 --> 01:22:32,002
and ran what can only be described as th
1271
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,829
incredible defense I think I've ever hea
1272
01:22:36,132 --> 01:22:40,472
Essentially, he said that his first wife
1273
01:22:40,632 --> 01:22:45,832
when they were splitting up
had saved semen from when they had sex
1274
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,000
where she had employed a 3rd person to d
1275
01:22:50,132 --> 01:22:52,073
around the crime scenes
1276
01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:57,529
it was just a fantasy defense of the fir
just completely incredible.
1277
01:22:58,733 --> 01:23:00,372
Thanks to Tim and Kaye
1278
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:03,199
we'll just break in, we've got some news
1279
01:23:03,332 --> 01:23:08,932
this is trial where Delroy Grant, accuse
being the notorious 'Nightstalker' is ta
1280
01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:12,697
Delroy Grant the man accused
of being the Nightstalker
1281
01:23:12,832 --> 01:23:15,533
has been found guilty of 29 counts
1282
01:23:15,699 --> 01:23:20,130
of preying on 18 elderly men and women b
1283
01:23:20,332 --> 01:23:21,872
and 2009.
1284
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,000
They said that he was responsible
for some of the most awful
1285
01:23:25,167 --> 01:23:27,697
and disturbing crimes
in the history of Scotland Yard.
1286
01:23:27,832 --> 01:23:29,876
So that's a line just coming
into us there that the police
1287
01:23:29,899 --> 01:23:32,670
are apologising for missed chances to st
1288
01:23:32,832 --> 01:23:33,703
Delroy Grant
1289
01:23:33,832 --> 01:23:34,832
The judge said
1290
01:23:35,266 --> 01:23:38,367
that he would have to serve 27 years
1291
01:23:38,966 --> 01:23:41,567
before he was eligible to apply for paro
1292
01:23:42,033 --> 01:23:43,573
from his life sentence.
1293
01:23:43,766 --> 01:23:47,896
And that means at the absolute youngest
that Delroy Grant could be
1294
01:23:48,033 --> 01:23:52,002
before he is released back
into the world would be 81 years old.
1295
01:23:52,132 --> 01:23:54,073
And were that to happen
1296
01:23:55,033 --> 01:23:58,172
I guess we have to think that he would b
1297
01:23:58,567 --> 01:24:00,627
posing little threat by that time.
1298
01:24:01,667 --> 01:24:04,966
The number of offenses that we had by th
1299
01:24:05,132 --> 01:24:09,502
that I left are that he was involved in
1300
01:24:09,867 --> 01:24:14,726
many of which included indecent assaults
and five of which included rapes.
1301
01:24:14,867 --> 01:24:18,067
He was a sexual predator who
1302
01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:22,430
just committed the most barbaric crimes
with meticulous planning
1303
01:24:22,567 --> 01:24:25,697
some of which we probably don't know abo
1304
01:24:25,867 --> 01:24:28,567
It may well be that a lot of his victims
1305
01:24:29,432 --> 01:24:34,533
suffered at his hands but suffered
in silence and never actually reported
1306
01:24:35,067 --> 01:24:37,197
them but carried it with them to their g
1307
01:24:37,332 --> 01:24:39,672
Most of them are deceased now unfortunat
1308
01:24:40,033 --> 01:24:42,703
I hope the families don't think about hi
1309
01:24:42,867 --> 01:24:46,127
get a very small iota
1310
01:24:46,266 --> 01:24:47,926
of satisfaction in the fact that
1311
01:24:48,067 --> 01:24:52,226
he is no longer doing the same things
to other people that happen to their fam
1312
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,800
We went through an exercise
with family liaison officers
1313
01:24:55,132 --> 01:24:57,693
of phoning and telling the victims
that someone had been arrested
1314
01:24:58,667 --> 01:25:01,027
one of the victims said that back to her
1315
01:25:01,332 --> 01:25:04,103
'that's great I can go back to sleeping
1316
01:25:05,466 --> 01:25:08,867
I think he thought he was invincible
I think he thought he would never get ca
1317
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,329
He was arrested on the 17th day
of the surveillance operation
1318
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:17,970
so you had 17 years on one hand, 17 days
1319
01:25:18,233 --> 01:25:20,132
It was only Colin's fresh
1320
01:25:20,266 --> 01:25:23,766
impetus which led to Delroy Grant being
1321
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,770
I always knew that I wanted to go
to get in front of him
1322
01:25:27,167 --> 01:25:29,567
I believed from really early on that
1323
01:25:29,699 --> 01:25:32,970
we needed to ignore the DNA
we needed to catch a burglar.
1324
01:25:33,432 --> 01:25:35,832
Everybody kept telling me
'we're not a burglary squad'
1325
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:40,399
and they needed to be a burglary squad
that's how we got him.
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