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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,504 --> 00:00:06,175 Doctor. Phil mccombs, Washington post. 2 00:00:06,208 --> 00:00:07,218 Thank you. Good to see you. 3 00:00:07,242 --> 00:00:08,944 Thank you for taking the time. 4 00:00:18,187 --> 00:00:22,090 So, when you take them out, you don't see anything? 5 00:00:24,392 --> 00:00:25,660 No, you don't see anything. 6 00:00:27,896 --> 00:00:31,532 I-I-I mean, of all the thousands of second trimester abortions 7 00:00:31,566 --> 00:00:34,669 that I've done, I mean, maybe I've seen half a dozen. 8 00:00:36,839 --> 00:00:38,319 But didn't it bother you when you did? 9 00:00:39,908 --> 00:00:41,176 No, not particularly. 10 00:00:41,210 --> 00:00:42,244 It was the end product; 11 00:00:42,277 --> 00:00:44,246 a lifeless, limp thing lying there. 12 00:00:44,279 --> 00:00:46,014 They have a human form. 13 00:00:47,415 --> 00:00:48,416 Oh, absolutely. 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,556 I-I-I'm sorry. I-I'm a little bit confused. 15 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:58,359 Uh. 16 00:00:58,392 --> 00:01:02,164 First you said, "all you see is bloody meat." 17 00:01:02,197 --> 00:01:03,197 Hm-mm. 18 00:01:04,732 --> 00:01:07,702 But now you're saying you always knew it was a person. 19 00:01:08,904 --> 00:01:09,904 So doctor, 20 00:01:12,107 --> 00:01:13,242 which one is it? 21 00:01:18,746 --> 00:01:20,414 I didn't know what to say. 22 00:01:20,448 --> 00:01:22,516 I felt I was caught in a lie. 23 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:25,187 So, you have to understand, it was the '70s. 24 00:01:25,220 --> 00:01:28,556 The women's liberation movement was exploding. 25 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:31,626 Millions of women were taking to the streets, 26 00:01:31,659 --> 00:01:33,128 and I got swept up in the way. 27 00:01:33,161 --> 00:01:34,771 Saying now that anything after eight weeks 28 00:01:34,795 --> 00:01:36,631 is murder, which I'm all for. 29 00:01:36,664 --> 00:01:38,599 I'm protesting the protesters. 30 00:01:53,015 --> 00:01:56,318 Proverbs 14:12. 31 00:01:56,351 --> 00:01:59,922 "There is a way that seems right unto man, 32 00:01:59,955 --> 00:02:04,126 but in the end thereof, the way is death." 33 00:02:06,295 --> 00:02:07,930 Well, sir, I was in the parking lot 34 00:02:07,963 --> 00:02:09,340 and I saw some people's signs and I said, 35 00:02:09,364 --> 00:02:10,774 "what's happening today?" And they said, 36 00:02:10,798 --> 00:02:13,601 "they're protesting the governor's decision." 37 00:02:13,634 --> 00:02:15,636 I don't want a bunch of old white dudes 38 00:02:15,670 --> 00:02:17,005 regulating my body. 39 00:02:18,706 --> 00:02:19,942 I want us to stand up 40 00:02:19,975 --> 00:02:21,575 for the innocent lives of children 41 00:02:21,609 --> 00:02:23,577 that are being aborted in the womb, 42 00:02:23,611 --> 00:02:26,614 and to stop the bloodshed. 43 00:02:31,552 --> 00:02:34,289 I mean, in proportion, 12-year-olds can get abortions 44 00:02:34,323 --> 00:02:36,291 in public schools and without parental consent. 45 00:02:36,325 --> 00:02:37,368 That's happened in the states. 46 00:02:37,392 --> 00:02:39,094 In Virginia, if you have a baby, 47 00:02:39,127 --> 00:02:40,604 they put it on a table and they ask the parents 48 00:02:40,628 --> 00:02:41,863 do you want it to live a lie. 49 00:03:01,216 --> 00:03:02,783 My life. 50 00:03:02,818 --> 00:03:04,353 My decision! 51 00:03:04,386 --> 00:03:06,121 My life. 52 00:03:06,154 --> 00:03:09,024 My decision! 53 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:28,477 You have to sacrifice your pawn to save your queen. 54 00:03:28,509 --> 00:03:30,078 It all started in my 20s. 55 00:03:30,112 --> 00:03:31,712 That's Ruth, my first love. 56 00:03:31,746 --> 00:03:33,315 See, my family was Jewish 57 00:03:33,348 --> 00:03:35,549 so I tried to get them to warm up to her. 58 00:03:35,583 --> 00:03:37,752 But I had a better chance of beating my dad at chess. 59 00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:39,587 Check. 60 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:41,289 Pawns are the soul of a game. 61 00:03:59,808 --> 00:04:02,844 You don't need the queen to win the game. 62 00:04:05,713 --> 00:04:06,714 Checkmate. 63 00:04:08,216 --> 00:04:10,785 You have to sacrifice for the greater good. 64 00:04:19,261 --> 00:04:21,129 How could I have been so stupid. 65 00:04:22,763 --> 00:04:24,698 Maybe we can get married. 66 00:04:24,732 --> 00:04:30,305 No. Not like this. Not yet. 67 00:04:30,338 --> 00:04:32,140 You do know I love you, right? 68 00:04:32,174 --> 00:04:34,342 I can't take care of a baby right now. 69 00:04:38,679 --> 00:04:41,149 Oh, that's what you want. 70 00:04:41,183 --> 00:04:42,650 I can't tell my family about this. 71 00:04:42,683 --> 00:04:44,019 My father won't help. 72 00:04:45,753 --> 00:04:49,623 What am I going to do, Bernie? 73 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:52,194 Honey, it's we, and we're in this together, okay? 74 00:04:53,995 --> 00:04:55,696 Okay. 75 00:05:12,147 --> 00:05:13,415 I would have married her, 76 00:05:13,448 --> 00:05:15,317 but she didn't want that. 77 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:18,120 So, I gave her $500. That way, nobody had to know. 78 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,456 I never thought I would lose Ruth. 79 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,195 I became a doctor 80 00:05:27,229 --> 00:05:30,332 to make sure no girl ever had to go through that again. 81 00:05:30,365 --> 00:05:34,102 I will give no deadly medicine, nor suggest any such counsel; 82 00:05:34,136 --> 00:05:37,806 nor give to a woman a pessary to procure an abortion. 83 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,307 Like most doctors, 84 00:05:39,341 --> 00:05:41,642 I would violate the hippocratic oath. 85 00:05:41,675 --> 00:05:44,712 But saving women was all that mattered. 86 00:05:44,745 --> 00:05:47,215 I know everyone has their own version of events. 87 00:05:47,249 --> 00:05:48,517 But if you really want to know 88 00:05:48,550 --> 00:05:50,784 how abortion became legal in our country, 89 00:05:50,819 --> 00:05:52,686 I will tell you the true story 90 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,822 of roe v. Wade. 91 00:06:00,028 --> 00:06:03,031 I wanted to get abortion legalized across the country. 92 00:06:03,064 --> 00:06:04,665 Our master plan to do that 93 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:07,668 started right here in New York City. 94 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:09,070 That's Betty friedan, 95 00:06:09,104 --> 00:06:10,805 the leader of the women's movement. 96 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,942 You see, we needed her gals if we had any chance of winning. 97 00:06:15,877 --> 00:06:18,647 Ah-ha. Not again. Mrs. Friedan. 98 00:06:18,679 --> 00:06:21,516 The Plaza's oak room has a 61-year tradition 99 00:06:21,550 --> 00:06:24,519 of men's only lunches. 100 00:06:34,596 --> 00:06:36,398 Well, well, well. 101 00:06:36,431 --> 00:06:39,267 If it isn't the world-famous author of the feminine mystique, 102 00:06:39,301 --> 00:06:41,269 Mrs. Betty friedan. 103 00:06:41,303 --> 00:06:43,004 Mr. Larry lader. 104 00:06:43,038 --> 00:06:44,705 Larry was my best friend. 105 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:47,676 He was the father of the abortion movement. 106 00:06:47,708 --> 00:06:49,844 And he was also mentored by Margaret sanger, 107 00:06:49,878 --> 00:06:51,913 the founder of planned parenthood. 108 00:06:51,947 --> 00:06:53,448 Now, here's the ugly truth. 109 00:06:53,481 --> 00:06:56,117 Margaret opened clinics in poor black neighborhoods 110 00:06:56,151 --> 00:06:59,087 and called it the negro project. 111 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,625 The mass of negroes, particularly in the south, 112 00:07:03,658 --> 00:07:07,929 still breed carelessly and disastrously. 113 00:07:09,797 --> 00:07:13,568 The result that the increase among negroes, 114 00:07:13,602 --> 00:07:16,137 more than among whites, 115 00:07:16,171 --> 00:07:18,772 is that portion of the population 116 00:07:18,807 --> 00:07:22,077 least intelligent and fit. 117 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:23,411 Her goal was to reduce 118 00:07:23,445 --> 00:07:25,113 the black population, 119 00:07:25,146 --> 00:07:27,616 either through birth control or sterilization. 120 00:07:27,649 --> 00:07:29,783 She literally wanted to stop black people 121 00:07:29,818 --> 00:07:32,087 from having babies altogether. 122 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,156 And Larry continued her work by launching an organization 123 00:07:35,190 --> 00:07:36,958 to legalize abortion, 124 00:07:36,992 --> 00:07:39,728 and wrote the first nationwide book on the topic. 125 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,096 Have you happened to read my book? 126 00:07:41,129 --> 00:07:42,264 Did you prance over here 127 00:07:42,297 --> 00:07:45,567 to have me Fawn over your vanity project? 128 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,270 Cyril here works for the aclu. 129 00:07:48,303 --> 00:07:50,238 We can have him sue the Plaza if you like. 130 00:07:50,272 --> 00:07:51,616 A girl should not expect special privileges 131 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,341 because of her sex, 132 00:07:53,375 --> 00:07:55,519 but neither should she adjust to prejudice or discrimination. 133 00:07:55,543 --> 00:07:57,479 I-I'm Bernard. 134 00:07:58,713 --> 00:07:59,814 An obstetrician officially, 135 00:07:59,848 --> 00:08:02,651 until they get the laws repealed. 136 00:08:02,684 --> 00:08:05,620 Cyril is also the lead counsel 137 00:08:05,654 --> 00:08:07,989 for planned parenthood. 138 00:08:08,023 --> 00:08:11,493 So, why are you boys so worked up about abortion? 139 00:08:11,526 --> 00:08:14,296 Well, cyril is gonna head legal, 140 00:08:14,329 --> 00:08:15,630 Bernie, medical. 141 00:08:15,664 --> 00:08:17,432 I would like him to open up a clinic. 142 00:08:17,465 --> 00:08:19,143 Larry, listen, I've told you a million times. 143 00:08:19,167 --> 00:08:21,169 I'm not gonna ruin my reputation over this. 144 00:08:21,202 --> 00:08:23,672 The women need your help. 145 00:08:23,705 --> 00:08:25,116 Opening a clinic will land him in hot water 146 00:08:25,140 --> 00:08:26,508 like vuitch. 147 00:08:26,541 --> 00:08:28,286 Exactly. And I'm much better to you out of jail. 148 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:29,644 A bunch of disorganized men 149 00:08:29,678 --> 00:08:31,880 are gonna rid this country of abortion restriction? 150 00:08:31,913 --> 00:08:33,457 No, no, no. We're not disorganized, okay. 151 00:08:33,481 --> 00:08:34,725 - If Bernie... - We're looking for 152 00:08:34,749 --> 00:08:36,327 a pregnant girl to challenge the abortion laws. 153 00:08:36,351 --> 00:08:38,953 If New York falls, the country falls. 154 00:08:38,987 --> 00:08:40,898 If that doesn't work, we'll lobby the legislature. 155 00:08:40,922 --> 00:08:42,524 I guess I can provide medical research 156 00:08:42,557 --> 00:08:44,025 to prove our opinion. 157 00:08:44,059 --> 00:08:45,960 We wanna rally behind the women's movement 158 00:08:45,994 --> 00:08:48,163 to get the TV media on board. 159 00:08:48,196 --> 00:08:50,031 So that's why you need me. 160 00:08:50,065 --> 00:08:52,300 We need to continue Margaret sanger's work. 161 00:08:52,334 --> 00:08:53,735 Oh, well. 162 00:08:53,768 --> 00:08:56,004 Thank you so much for this explanation. 163 00:08:56,037 --> 00:08:58,239 But abortion is really not our focus. 164 00:09:00,275 --> 00:09:01,543 You're gonna regret it 165 00:09:01,576 --> 00:09:03,511 when you see Gloria steinem and Bella abzug 166 00:09:03,545 --> 00:09:06,548 hopping on board and everybody else. 167 00:09:06,581 --> 00:09:07,817 You're our first choice. 168 00:09:07,849 --> 00:09:08,917 Yeah? Why? 169 00:09:08,950 --> 00:09:10,285 Because you're the best. 170 00:09:14,122 --> 00:09:15,190 Betty came on board 171 00:09:15,223 --> 00:09:17,158 and brought her core of feminists. 172 00:09:17,192 --> 00:09:19,194 We all launched naral together, 173 00:09:19,227 --> 00:09:21,529 the national association to repeal abortion laws. 174 00:09:26,101 --> 00:09:27,502 Did I tell you? 175 00:09:27,535 --> 00:09:28,536 Did I tell you? 176 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,776 Looks like I started a revolution. 177 00:09:34,810 --> 00:09:38,012 I mean... I told you, you should open a clinic. 178 00:09:38,046 --> 00:09:40,382 Well, you know, you're probably right about the clinic. 179 00:09:40,415 --> 00:09:43,853 But listen, I-I gotta look after Adele and Joey, so. 180 00:09:45,987 --> 00:09:47,389 Are you not seeing this? 181 00:09:48,723 --> 00:09:50,125 Yeah, but do you really think 182 00:09:50,158 --> 00:09:52,193 we should go for full repeal? 183 00:09:52,227 --> 00:09:55,730 I say we go for abortion on demand! 184 00:09:58,266 --> 00:09:59,266 Yeah. 185 00:10:02,971 --> 00:10:04,939 Listen, come on. We don't need to get greedy. 186 00:10:04,973 --> 00:10:09,377 Can't we just do this for health or if a woman gets raped? 187 00:10:09,411 --> 00:10:10,721 You know, wouldn't it just be better for that? 188 00:10:10,745 --> 00:10:13,615 We don't need to go for abortion on demand. 189 00:10:13,648 --> 00:10:14,749 No, no, no. 190 00:10:14,783 --> 00:10:17,285 We have to go for the full enchilada. 191 00:10:17,318 --> 00:10:19,053 Otherwise, we'll get nothing. 192 00:10:19,087 --> 00:10:20,355 Cyril's correct. 193 00:10:22,023 --> 00:10:24,959 We can't turn a woman's body into a business negotiation. 194 00:10:31,032 --> 00:10:33,601 You just won a fabulous trip to London. 195 00:10:33,635 --> 00:10:37,939 It's worth over $1,000. Congratulations, sir. 196 00:10:41,109 --> 00:10:43,109 Your dinner's in the oven, if you wanna heat it up. 197 00:10:44,646 --> 00:10:45,747 Thank you, sweetheart. 198 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:47,850 Like always! 199 00:10:47,883 --> 00:10:50,285 Oh, come on, not again. 200 00:10:50,318 --> 00:10:51,686 Eighteen-hour days? 201 00:10:53,354 --> 00:10:54,989 What's her name? 202 00:10:55,023 --> 00:10:57,592 Betty friedan. 203 00:10:57,625 --> 00:10:59,327 Come on, you can't take a joke? 204 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,130 What you do isn't funny. 205 00:11:02,163 --> 00:11:05,099 I don't understand. A woman doesn't support women's rights? 206 00:11:05,133 --> 00:11:06,845 I mean, you should see what they go through. 207 00:11:06,869 --> 00:11:08,303 Then go be with them. 208 00:11:08,336 --> 00:11:10,371 Women are dying. I'm saving lives. 209 00:11:19,714 --> 00:11:22,517 I just miss you, that's all. 210 00:11:28,523 --> 00:11:31,192 Okay, you win. 211 00:11:31,226 --> 00:11:33,404 The New York State Senate today passed one of the nation's 212 00:11:33,428 --> 00:11:35,898 most sweeping abortion control bills. 213 00:11:35,931 --> 00:11:37,699 Aggregates and enemies of the bill 214 00:11:37,732 --> 00:11:40,034 brought tremendous pressures to bear on legislators 215 00:11:40,068 --> 00:11:41,837 on the emotional issue, 216 00:11:41,871 --> 00:11:43,906 and the drama was summed up late yesterday 217 00:11:43,939 --> 00:11:45,173 in the state assembly 218 00:11:45,206 --> 00:11:47,308 when one man's vote made the difference. 219 00:11:47,342 --> 00:11:49,477 As New York's assembly passed a bill 220 00:11:49,511 --> 00:11:51,981 legalizing abortions for any reason, 221 00:11:52,013 --> 00:11:55,250 up to the 24th week of a pregnancy, 222 00:11:55,283 --> 00:11:59,020 the decision to be made between a woman and her physician. 223 00:11:59,053 --> 00:12:01,556 But then it became apparent that the bill would fail 224 00:12:01,589 --> 00:12:03,993 unless one vote was changed. 225 00:12:04,025 --> 00:12:06,261 But I cannot, in good conscience, 226 00:12:06,294 --> 00:12:14,294 stand here and thwart the obvious majority of this house. 227 00:12:14,536 --> 00:12:17,572 I therefore request you, Mr. Speaker, 228 00:12:17,605 --> 00:12:20,375 to change my negative vote to an affirmative vote. 229 00:12:20,408 --> 00:12:22,011 Completely devastated, 230 00:12:22,043 --> 00:12:24,112 the pro-life senator, Earl brydges, 231 00:12:24,145 --> 00:12:25,948 read the diary of the unborn. 232 00:12:25,981 --> 00:12:27,282 "My parents don't know it yet," 233 00:12:27,315 --> 00:12:32,821 "I'm as small as the seed of an apple." 234 00:12:35,123 --> 00:12:36,825 "But it's me already." 235 00:12:38,928 --> 00:12:40,328 "I'm to be a girl." 236 00:12:42,063 --> 00:12:44,299 "I shall have blonde hair and blue eyes." 237 00:12:48,636 --> 00:12:50,238 "October 19th." 238 00:12:53,174 --> 00:12:56,644 "Some say I'm not a real person yet," 239 00:12:56,678 --> 00:12:58,948 "that only my mother exists." 240 00:13:00,849 --> 00:13:03,585 "But I am a real person." 241 00:13:10,859 --> 00:13:12,193 "December 13th." 242 00:13:16,097 --> 00:13:19,667 "I'm just about able to see." 243 00:13:19,701 --> 00:13:22,370 "It's-it's dark around me." 244 00:13:26,341 --> 00:13:28,043 "But what I want more than anything." 245 00:13:32,014 --> 00:13:34,649 "Is to see my mommy." 246 00:13:40,321 --> 00:13:41,522 "December 24th." 247 00:13:46,728 --> 00:13:50,198 "I wonder if mommy." 248 00:13:53,334 --> 00:13:56,738 "Hears the whispering of my heart." 249 00:13:59,741 --> 00:14:03,544 "It beats so evenly." 250 00:14:11,352 --> 00:14:16,058 "October 28th... December 28th." 251 00:14:25,366 --> 00:14:26,734 "Today my mommy killed me." 252 00:14:35,911 --> 00:14:38,312 The win shocked our opposition. 253 00:14:38,346 --> 00:14:39,590 I mean, no one thought we would get abortion 254 00:14:39,614 --> 00:14:42,216 legalized in New York. 255 00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:45,120 Especially since the catholics controlled everything there. 256 00:14:48,857 --> 00:14:50,926 How does rockefeller appoint cyril means 257 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:52,393 to head this committee? 258 00:14:52,427 --> 00:14:53,829 It's a conflict of interest. 259 00:14:53,862 --> 00:14:55,931 He works for planned parenthood. 260 00:14:55,964 --> 00:14:58,167 Politicians are now playing god, 261 00:14:58,199 --> 00:15:02,037 deciding on who has the right to live and to die. 262 00:15:02,071 --> 00:15:05,740 This is Dr. Mildred Jefferson, she is the first, 263 00:15:05,773 --> 00:15:08,576 uh, woman to graduate... 264 00:15:08,609 --> 00:15:10,578 What he's trying to say is 265 00:15:10,611 --> 00:15:14,515 I am the first negro woman to graduate Harvard medical. 266 00:15:14,549 --> 00:15:17,218 Ellen, I run a pro-life women's group. 267 00:15:17,251 --> 00:15:19,054 We, ah, tried to fight this in Albany. 268 00:15:20,321 --> 00:15:21,957 Feminism is destructive. 269 00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:23,558 I have no philosophical 270 00:15:23,591 --> 00:15:26,929 or intellectual appreciation for it. 271 00:15:26,962 --> 00:15:28,130 Oh, we're not feminists. 272 00:15:28,163 --> 00:15:30,199 And they used to be against abortion. 273 00:15:30,231 --> 00:15:32,101 It's not about women's rights either. 274 00:15:32,134 --> 00:15:33,468 Would you like to head up 275 00:15:33,501 --> 00:15:36,304 a right to life group that I'm starting? 276 00:15:36,337 --> 00:15:38,639 I could write a few letters. 277 00:15:38,673 --> 00:15:40,033 There's more that needs to be done. 278 00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:42,945 I could attend some rallies. 279 00:15:42,978 --> 00:15:46,215 Really? That's it? 280 00:15:46,247 --> 00:15:49,051 This will be the national right to life committee. 281 00:15:49,084 --> 00:15:51,753 Father, I am still completing my residency 282 00:15:51,786 --> 00:15:53,654 at Boston university. 283 00:15:53,688 --> 00:15:56,591 I will not give them any more excuses. 284 00:15:56,624 --> 00:15:58,760 I never heard Rosa Parks give excuses. 285 00:16:45,373 --> 00:16:48,010 I'm sorry about Ellen, all right. 286 00:16:48,043 --> 00:16:49,477 She's from long island. 287 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:51,445 I will not be used for the color of my skin. 288 00:16:51,479 --> 00:16:53,982 I do what I do on principle, like Don quixote. 289 00:16:58,020 --> 00:17:00,989 Look, first they came after the Jews, 290 00:17:01,023 --> 00:17:04,827 but we weren't Jewish, so we didn't say anything. 291 00:17:04,860 --> 00:17:07,996 And then they came after the mentally deficient. 292 00:17:08,030 --> 00:17:12,466 But we weren't deficient so we did nothing. 293 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:14,102 And now they're comin' after the unborn. 294 00:17:17,505 --> 00:17:20,108 And so you're gonna do nothing? 295 00:17:24,046 --> 00:17:26,714 That's a low blow. 296 00:17:26,747 --> 00:17:28,616 No one is coming for the unborn. 297 00:17:31,352 --> 00:17:35,224 This is akin to slavery, and you know the topic. 298 00:17:37,226 --> 00:17:38,593 Because I'm black? 299 00:17:40,761 --> 00:17:42,030 Yes. 300 00:17:45,633 --> 00:17:47,535 This can't come to you as a shock. 301 00:17:47,568 --> 00:17:48,837 Dr. Haven, 302 00:17:48,871 --> 00:17:50,339 perhaps the board could consider... 303 00:17:50,371 --> 00:17:52,107 The decision has been made. 304 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:55,010 I've been in medicine for 20 years. 305 00:17:55,043 --> 00:17:58,546 Dr. McConnell will be our new chief resident, 306 00:17:58,579 --> 00:17:59,948 and that's final. 307 00:17:59,982 --> 00:18:03,352 You've chosen Dr. McConnell. 308 00:18:03,384 --> 00:18:05,720 The man can barely get through an appendectomy. 309 00:18:05,753 --> 00:18:07,588 He's a fine doctor. 310 00:18:07,622 --> 00:18:10,292 This position is way too precious 311 00:18:10,325 --> 00:18:13,095 to be wasted on a woman. 312 00:18:17,632 --> 00:18:19,400 I'll get it. 313 00:18:23,504 --> 00:18:25,573 Professor Robert byrn. 314 00:18:25,606 --> 00:18:27,910 Father mchugh said you were gonna call. 315 00:18:29,610 --> 00:18:30,645 There is not much time, 316 00:18:30,678 --> 00:18:33,382 and Jim said you wanted to help out. 317 00:18:33,414 --> 00:18:35,217 Well, supposedly 318 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:37,785 you're the best constitutional mind he knows. 319 00:18:37,819 --> 00:18:39,087 The only one he knows. 320 00:18:41,323 --> 00:18:44,259 "Any society that's willing to give up a little Liberty 321 00:18:44,293 --> 00:18:46,494 to gain a little security 322 00:18:46,527 --> 00:18:48,964 will deserve neither and lose both." 323 00:18:48,997 --> 00:18:50,999 Benjamin Franklin. 324 00:18:51,033 --> 00:18:54,602 Susan b. Anthony said about abortion, 325 00:18:54,635 --> 00:18:57,605 "awful guilty is the woman who commits the deed." 326 00:18:57,638 --> 00:19:00,008 No one will be passing a law to kill the unborn. 327 00:19:00,042 --> 00:19:02,777 Our foundations are built on natural law. 328 00:19:02,811 --> 00:19:03,979 Are you sure about that? 329 00:19:05,446 --> 00:19:07,849 People can't humanize what they can't see. 330 00:19:07,883 --> 00:19:10,185 Physicians need to balance the discussion. 331 00:19:12,154 --> 00:19:14,923 But in order to win, 332 00:19:14,957 --> 00:19:17,159 we need to take god out of the argument. 333 00:19:17,192 --> 00:19:18,927 Nathanson's clinics are performing 334 00:19:18,961 --> 00:19:20,963 a thousand abortions per week. 335 00:19:20,996 --> 00:19:22,297 Nathanson? 336 00:19:22,331 --> 00:19:24,665 Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the obstetrician. 337 00:19:24,699 --> 00:19:26,634 The self-proclaimed savior of women. 338 00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,769 Sounds more like an abortionist than a doctor. 339 00:19:28,804 --> 00:19:30,839 The abortion king, they call him. 340 00:19:30,872 --> 00:19:33,942 That's why I'm sacrificing my time and taking up the fight. 341 00:19:33,976 --> 00:19:38,646 I'm a woman. You have choices. 342 00:19:38,679 --> 00:19:40,614 I understand. 343 00:19:40,648 --> 00:19:42,516 You need to take care of your children. 344 00:19:42,550 --> 00:19:45,653 No, we don't have any children. 345 00:19:50,558 --> 00:19:52,526 We tried. 346 00:20:02,737 --> 00:20:03,905 So glad you're here. 347 00:20:03,939 --> 00:20:06,341 Look at this. Have you seen that? 348 00:20:07,943 --> 00:20:11,179 "An unmarried catholic law professor." 349 00:20:11,213 --> 00:20:12,247 Now, Larry's strategy 350 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,749 was to always vilify the catholics. 351 00:20:14,782 --> 00:20:16,684 So, every time we leaked a story, 352 00:20:16,717 --> 00:20:19,653 we made sure the writer identified the bad guys 353 00:20:19,687 --> 00:20:21,890 specifically as catholics. 354 00:20:21,923 --> 00:20:23,591 I'm always described that way. 355 00:20:23,624 --> 00:20:25,994 You never see them identify Betty friedan "a married Jew," 356 00:20:26,028 --> 00:20:27,863 but us, always "a catholic." 357 00:20:29,398 --> 00:20:30,731 Could be worse. 358 00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:33,768 Come on. 359 00:20:33,802 --> 00:20:35,736 We're gonna go in here and over to the left. 360 00:20:55,623 --> 00:20:56,757 Where are the graves? 361 00:20:59,428 --> 00:21:01,329 Where are the names carved in stone? 362 00:21:04,099 --> 00:21:06,435 Where do we go to pray? 363 00:21:06,468 --> 00:21:07,635 I don't know, father. 364 00:21:07,668 --> 00:21:09,304 But I do know that they will never stop 365 00:21:09,337 --> 00:21:11,807 the religious persecution. 366 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,242 Preaching on sundays isn't saving babies. 367 00:21:17,012 --> 00:21:19,214 "The fate of unborn millions will now depend, 368 00:21:19,247 --> 00:21:21,550 under god, on the courage of this army." 369 00:21:21,582 --> 00:21:22,818 George Washington. 370 00:21:24,286 --> 00:21:26,421 We need to take god out of the argument. 371 00:21:26,455 --> 00:21:28,490 Your father was a minister. 372 00:21:28,523 --> 00:21:29,657 Yes. 373 00:21:33,328 --> 00:21:35,263 Life begins at conception. 374 00:21:36,498 --> 00:21:38,867 As a physician, I know this. 375 00:21:40,368 --> 00:21:41,769 And so does the scraper. 376 00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:47,509 The scraper? 377 00:21:47,542 --> 00:21:49,277 That's what they call Dr. Nathanson. 378 00:21:56,318 --> 00:21:57,352 I'm in. 379 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:06,660 I'll have someone from the right to life office 380 00:22:06,694 --> 00:22:08,796 get it up and running until you can take over. 381 00:22:09,998 --> 00:22:11,166 God bless you. 382 00:22:16,505 --> 00:22:18,173 You know, it's cheaper to abort a baby 383 00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:20,175 than it is to keep it on welfare. 384 00:22:22,643 --> 00:22:24,346 Now that it's in the courts, 385 00:22:24,379 --> 00:22:26,882 the interests of the baby will be taken into consideration. 386 00:22:28,984 --> 00:22:31,186 And now that it is legal in New York, 387 00:22:31,219 --> 00:22:33,889 Larry really wants me to open up a clinic. 388 00:22:33,922 --> 00:22:35,756 Does he want to pay our mortgage? 389 00:22:47,536 --> 00:22:48,736 Larry was right, 390 00:22:48,769 --> 00:22:50,505 and from this point forward, 391 00:22:50,539 --> 00:22:53,842 we were able to carry out over 70,000 abortions 392 00:22:53,875 --> 00:22:58,346 throughout my career, making over $20 million. 393 00:23:01,183 --> 00:23:04,186 Maybe this is worth your reputation. 394 00:23:07,788 --> 00:23:09,391 I guess they could use your help. 395 00:23:13,428 --> 00:23:15,564 If you're gonna do this, 396 00:23:15,597 --> 00:23:17,532 I need you to do one thing for me. 397 00:23:17,566 --> 00:23:18,566 Tell me. 398 00:23:19,568 --> 00:23:20,802 Win! 399 00:23:24,573 --> 00:23:25,941 Now that my business was booming, 400 00:23:25,974 --> 00:23:27,385 I didn't have enough hours in the day 401 00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:30,245 to take care of all the girls who wanted abortions. 402 00:23:30,278 --> 00:23:32,746 So, we had to go to London to learn a faster procedure. 403 00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:36,284 Uh, today, I'll be performing 32 procedures. 404 00:23:36,318 --> 00:23:38,553 Thirty-two in one day? Impressive. 405 00:23:38,587 --> 00:23:40,555 Yeah, it's much more civilized now. 406 00:23:40,589 --> 00:23:42,357 What is that machine there used for? 407 00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:44,059 Well, this is a suction machine. 408 00:23:44,092 --> 00:23:47,862 The procedure is called suction curettage. 409 00:23:47,896 --> 00:23:51,399 With this, I can perform an abortion in three minutes. 410 00:23:51,433 --> 00:23:53,101 That's impossible. You can't do that. 411 00:23:53,134 --> 00:23:55,937 You can thank the Chinese for this. 412 00:23:55,971 --> 00:23:57,372 This and firecrackers. 413 00:23:57,405 --> 00:24:00,475 Up until how many months can you use this machine? 414 00:24:00,508 --> 00:24:01,576 Four and a half, 415 00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:03,144 no problem. 416 00:24:03,178 --> 00:24:06,114 Dilation and evacuation up to six and a half, 417 00:24:06,147 --> 00:24:08,083 but some doctors even more than that. 418 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:12,597 Now, if you're looking for a nice shirt 419 00:24:12,621 --> 00:24:13,655 while you're in London, 420 00:24:13,688 --> 00:24:15,724 I can recommend macculloch & Wallis. 421 00:24:15,756 --> 00:24:19,894 They get the cut just right. It is your body after all. 422 00:24:21,096 --> 00:24:22,273 One thing to be careful of though is, 423 00:24:22,297 --> 00:24:25,500 their guy is a little clumsy with the needle, 424 00:24:25,533 --> 00:24:28,303 but who cares if it stings a bit, hmm? 425 00:24:28,336 --> 00:24:30,272 Ah, suction machine, please? 426 00:24:30,305 --> 00:24:31,506 You got it. 427 00:24:31,539 --> 00:24:33,774 The fetus is quartered. 428 00:24:33,808 --> 00:24:36,311 The torso disemboweled. 429 00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:40,448 The head is then crushed and extracted in parts. 430 00:24:40,482 --> 00:24:44,085 Then the placenta is scraped off the womb. 431 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,188 The last step of dilation and evacuation is, 432 00:24:47,222 --> 00:24:49,124 you must reconstruct the fetus 433 00:24:49,157 --> 00:24:52,427 to make sure all the vital parts have been removed. 434 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:53,460 Thank you. 435 00:24:56,164 --> 00:24:58,933 Look, if you follow the New York model, 436 00:24:58,967 --> 00:25:01,202 you're gonna be able to maximize patients. Okay? 437 00:25:01,236 --> 00:25:02,270 If you need any help... 438 00:25:02,304 --> 00:25:04,272 We have regional centers. 439 00:25:04,306 --> 00:25:06,941 Planned parenthood has centers all over the country. 440 00:25:06,975 --> 00:25:08,009 Yeah. 441 00:25:08,043 --> 00:25:10,011 Thank you, gentlemen. 442 00:25:17,352 --> 00:25:18,987 We found a girl in Texas. 443 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,690 Our gal at planned parenthood Dallas, Ginny whitehill, 444 00:25:21,723 --> 00:25:23,058 organized the whole thing. 445 00:25:23,091 --> 00:25:24,626 Did you get a lawyer in Texas, too? 446 00:25:24,659 --> 00:25:26,995 A woman, and this is where it gets good. 447 00:25:27,028 --> 00:25:28,496 Ginny found the perfect one. 448 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:29,864 No. 449 00:25:29,898 --> 00:25:32,901 Young, inexperienced, and in need of guidance. 450 00:25:32,934 --> 00:25:34,869 And it gets better. 451 00:25:34,903 --> 00:25:36,838 She works for us. 452 00:25:36,871 --> 00:25:37,915 What are you talking about? 453 00:25:37,939 --> 00:25:38,840 For planned parenthood. 454 00:25:38,873 --> 00:25:40,475 No. 455 00:25:40,508 --> 00:25:43,378 She even volunteers for your group, now. 456 00:25:54,222 --> 00:25:57,392 Henry's a civil rights lawyer but he does adoptions, too. 457 00:25:57,425 --> 00:25:59,427 That's how we found the girl. 458 00:25:59,461 --> 00:26:01,229 Norma mccorvey. She's perfect. 459 00:26:01,262 --> 00:26:02,430 She was a runaway, 460 00:26:02,464 --> 00:26:04,032 she became an alcoholic, 461 00:26:04,065 --> 00:26:06,101 a drug addict, a lesbian. 462 00:26:06,134 --> 00:26:08,703 She has a criminal record and a ninth-grade education. 463 00:26:08,737 --> 00:26:11,406 She is just what you're looking for. 464 00:26:11,439 --> 00:26:13,375 Ginny, this is great. 465 00:26:13,408 --> 00:26:16,778 We need to legalize this across the country in one swoop. 466 00:26:16,812 --> 00:26:20,014 Fighting state by state will take forever. 467 00:26:20,048 --> 00:26:21,282 And the lawyers? 468 00:26:21,316 --> 00:26:23,418 Linda coffee and Sarah weddington. 469 00:26:23,451 --> 00:26:24,786 Henry McCluskey was the guy 470 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:26,621 who not only found the pregnant girl, 471 00:26:26,654 --> 00:26:28,223 but the lawyers, too. 472 00:26:28,256 --> 00:26:30,058 They are super excited. 473 00:26:30,091 --> 00:26:31,926 Plus. 474 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,661 They desperately needed a job. 475 00:26:35,597 --> 00:26:36,798 Planned parenthood 476 00:26:36,832 --> 00:26:39,067 needed Texas lawyers they could control. 477 00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:40,935 And they wanted women. 478 00:26:40,969 --> 00:26:44,038 Sarah and Linda couldn't get hired anywhere else. 479 00:26:44,072 --> 00:26:46,074 They were the perfect pawns. 480 00:26:46,107 --> 00:26:48,276 You're gonna make a constitutional claim. 481 00:26:48,309 --> 00:26:49,812 How are we gonna do that? 482 00:26:49,845 --> 00:26:52,447 Between planned parenthood, naral, and now, 483 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,748 you got a lot of help. 484 00:26:53,782 --> 00:26:55,550 And Norma's background? 485 00:26:55,583 --> 00:26:57,719 Are we worried that's gonna affect the case? 486 00:26:57,752 --> 00:27:00,155 We'll give her a pseudonym. Call her Jane roe. 487 00:27:00,188 --> 00:27:02,257 Calling Norma Jane roe, 488 00:27:02,290 --> 00:27:04,592 made sure our opponents would never be able to 489 00:27:04,626 --> 00:27:08,229 find out who she was; Never be able to question her, 490 00:27:08,263 --> 00:27:11,433 and never, ever be able to find out the truth. 491 00:27:11,466 --> 00:27:13,067 That's genius. 492 00:27:13,101 --> 00:27:14,846 That way, no one will ever know about her past. 493 00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:16,404 I'll oversee the case. 494 00:27:16,438 --> 00:27:18,908 I'll bring in Harriet pilpel from planned parenthood. 495 00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:21,643 She's the country's top constitutional expert. 496 00:27:21,676 --> 00:27:23,178 This is going to the supreme court? 497 00:27:23,211 --> 00:27:24,546 We'll make sure of it. 498 00:27:25,947 --> 00:27:29,184 But, I-I've never even tried a case. 499 00:27:29,217 --> 00:27:31,887 Don't worry, we have. 500 00:27:34,689 --> 00:27:36,458 Larry liked to go to St. Croix. 501 00:27:36,491 --> 00:27:37,927 He called them working vacations. 502 00:27:37,959 --> 00:27:39,127 Okay, Bernie. 503 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:39,994 He said that's where 504 00:27:40,028 --> 00:27:41,463 he got his best ideas. 505 00:27:41,496 --> 00:27:42,841 - This time, I went with him. - Look, they do need us. 506 00:27:42,865 --> 00:27:44,165 We were going to celebrate 507 00:27:44,199 --> 00:27:45,643 - winning New York. - Here's the strategy, okay. 508 00:27:45,667 --> 00:27:48,136 First, we have to get the media on our side. 509 00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:49,637 That's a good idea, okay. 510 00:27:49,671 --> 00:27:51,841 Second, they need to know 511 00:27:51,874 --> 00:27:53,675 there's no life at conception. 512 00:27:53,708 --> 00:27:56,644 Yeah, but I'm not really sure that's accurate. 513 00:27:57,847 --> 00:27:58,713 Well, you're a doctor. 514 00:27:58,746 --> 00:27:59,891 We're gonna need testimonials. 515 00:27:59,915 --> 00:28:02,383 What about what the other experts say? 516 00:28:02,417 --> 00:28:04,719 We'll make sure no one's gonna hear what they have to say. 517 00:28:04,752 --> 00:28:07,055 I couldn't believe what he just said. 518 00:28:07,088 --> 00:28:09,657 Larry wanted me to Bury the truth. 519 00:28:09,691 --> 00:28:13,661 I was really conflicted but. I went along with it anyway. 520 00:28:13,695 --> 00:28:15,129 Right? Listen. 521 00:28:15,163 --> 00:28:18,700 Most important, every revolution needs a villain, okay? 522 00:28:18,733 --> 00:28:20,903 Whether it's a dictator or a king. 523 00:28:20,936 --> 00:28:23,705 People need to see a face, something to rebel against. 524 00:28:23,738 --> 00:28:26,474 It's easier for them to perceive. 525 00:28:26,508 --> 00:28:30,245 We need to narrow the focus, okay, 526 00:28:30,278 --> 00:28:32,848 identify it with a person 527 00:28:32,882 --> 00:28:35,750 or a small group of shadowy, powerful people. 528 00:28:37,552 --> 00:28:38,553 Don't you see? 529 00:28:40,255 --> 00:28:42,557 In our country there's been one group associated with 530 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:43,826 reactionary politics, 531 00:28:43,859 --> 00:28:45,760 behind-the-scenes manipulations, 532 00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:47,428 and backward ideas. 533 00:28:47,462 --> 00:28:49,764 Wait, not the catholics again? 534 00:28:49,797 --> 00:28:52,066 Oh, well. What did I really care? 535 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:54,335 I mean, although my parents were Jewish, 536 00:28:54,369 --> 00:28:56,237 I was more of an atheist. 537 00:28:56,271 --> 00:28:58,706 Of course, the catholics. Yes! 538 00:29:02,277 --> 00:29:04,412 Norma. 539 00:29:04,445 --> 00:29:06,214 Good to see you again. 540 00:29:06,247 --> 00:29:07,247 Come here. 541 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,920 This is Sarah. 542 00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:22,363 So, you're seeking an abortion? 543 00:29:22,397 --> 00:29:25,066 Yeah, you know where I can get one? 544 00:29:26,936 --> 00:29:30,405 I'm so sorry, I do not. 545 00:29:38,814 --> 00:29:40,214 How about an illegal one? 546 00:29:40,248 --> 00:29:41,716 No! 547 00:29:41,749 --> 00:29:42,789 Okay, well, Sarah did know 548 00:29:42,818 --> 00:29:44,118 where to get an illegal one. 549 00:29:44,152 --> 00:29:46,055 She had one in Mexico. 550 00:29:46,087 --> 00:29:48,289 But we needed them to say whatever it took 551 00:29:48,323 --> 00:29:50,291 to get her to come on board. 552 00:29:50,325 --> 00:29:54,562 It was for the greater good. This was lie number one. 553 00:29:54,596 --> 00:29:56,464 Why the heck not? 554 00:29:56,497 --> 00:29:58,800 Because it's dangerous. 555 00:29:58,834 --> 00:30:00,435 What am I even doing here then? 556 00:30:00,468 --> 00:30:02,570 Mr. McCluskey said I could trust y'all. 557 00:30:02,604 --> 00:30:04,105 He's great. 558 00:30:04,138 --> 00:30:06,842 We'll still consult with McCluskey, okay? 559 00:30:06,875 --> 00:30:09,410 I can't be having no baby, okay? 560 00:30:09,444 --> 00:30:12,915 I got no job, no husband, no home. 561 00:30:12,948 --> 00:30:14,917 You don't wanna to put your child up for adoption? 562 00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:17,552 No, I can't go through that again. 563 00:30:20,521 --> 00:30:22,457 Thank you. 564 00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:25,460 How did you become pregnant in the first place? 565 00:30:25,493 --> 00:30:26,494 Can I? 566 00:30:30,966 --> 00:30:34,469 Norma, if we are gonna represent you, 567 00:30:34,502 --> 00:30:37,672 we need to know everything. 568 00:30:37,705 --> 00:30:40,042 Did anything bad happen? 569 00:30:40,075 --> 00:30:43,478 I was, uhm, raped. 570 00:30:43,511 --> 00:30:45,513 Norma may have been suicidal, 571 00:30:45,546 --> 00:30:48,884 but she admitted years later, she lied about being raped. 572 00:30:50,019 --> 00:30:51,019 Raped? 573 00:30:52,654 --> 00:30:54,656 I'm so sorry. 574 00:30:54,689 --> 00:30:56,034 No woman should ever have to give birth 575 00:30:56,058 --> 00:30:57,860 to her attacker's child. 576 00:30:57,893 --> 00:31:00,695 Hmm, is the case gonna be over in enough time? 577 00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:02,031 That's why I'm doing this. 578 00:31:02,064 --> 00:31:04,799 Yes, of course. 579 00:31:04,833 --> 00:31:05,868 Lie number two. 580 00:31:08,503 --> 00:31:10,839 We will do our best to win. 581 00:31:10,873 --> 00:31:14,242 So, what happens during an abortion? 582 00:31:14,275 --> 00:31:16,310 Does the baby go back? 583 00:31:16,344 --> 00:31:19,848 Like when John Wayne aborts a mission? 584 00:31:19,882 --> 00:31:22,183 Well, there is no baby. 585 00:31:22,216 --> 00:31:23,718 And ladies and gentlemen, 586 00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:26,088 lie number three. 587 00:31:26,121 --> 00:31:28,556 It's like removing a piece of tissue. 588 00:31:28,589 --> 00:31:30,025 The baby comes later, Norma. 589 00:31:30,059 --> 00:31:31,093 Much later. 590 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,029 Like passing a period. 591 00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:38,934 So, y'all got a lot of experience with this. 592 00:31:38,967 --> 00:31:40,702 We're going to file in Dallas. 593 00:31:40,735 --> 00:31:42,037 But I live in Houston. 594 00:31:42,071 --> 00:31:44,840 I know, but I clerked for judge Hughes in Dallas 595 00:31:44,873 --> 00:31:47,176 and I know her position on the topic. 596 00:31:47,208 --> 00:31:50,846 We just need you to read these papers and sign. 597 00:31:50,879 --> 00:31:53,347 And then, we'll just-we'll get everything going. 598 00:31:53,381 --> 00:31:54,883 It's all right. I trust y'all. 599 00:32:08,997 --> 00:32:11,232 Get out! Get out! 600 00:32:13,768 --> 00:32:15,804 Wait. 601 00:32:15,838 --> 00:32:17,106 Wait. 602 00:32:20,909 --> 00:32:23,478 They lied to me. 603 00:32:23,511 --> 00:32:25,613 They told me we would have won by now. 604 00:32:27,749 --> 00:32:31,285 Call them! Tell them to get McCluskey! 605 00:32:32,353 --> 00:32:33,488 Obviously, 606 00:32:33,521 --> 00:32:34,961 the case didn't get to court in time. 607 00:32:39,761 --> 00:32:42,396 Ha-ha! Mr. Floyd, welcome to Dallas. 608 00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:43,640 - How's the governor? - He's still reeling 609 00:32:43,664 --> 00:32:45,466 over your Lee Harvey oswald debacle. 610 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:48,237 Well, he should have appointed me instead of Sarah Hughes. 611 00:32:48,269 --> 00:32:49,303 You'll want to hear this. 612 00:32:49,337 --> 00:32:51,073 Two young lawyers just filed... 613 00:32:51,106 --> 00:32:54,442 Whoop Dee doo, goody for them. 614 00:32:54,475 --> 00:32:56,812 In judge Hughes' court, and it's about... 615 00:32:56,845 --> 00:33:01,415 Oh, let me guess, abortion! 616 00:33:02,550 --> 00:33:05,520 You know, that Sarah Hughes, she... 617 00:33:05,553 --> 00:33:06,989 Anything to get at me. 618 00:33:08,289 --> 00:33:09,690 So. 619 00:33:09,724 --> 00:33:13,628 So, these gals, fresh out of ut law, 620 00:33:13,661 --> 00:33:16,265 are bringin' an abortion case to Texas. 621 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:21,769 Thank you. I needed a good laugh. 622 00:33:21,804 --> 00:33:23,304 You should be worried, Hank! 623 00:33:23,337 --> 00:33:26,374 About what? Prissy feminists looking to stir up the pot? 624 00:33:26,407 --> 00:33:27,952 Tolle, come in here. You need to hear this. 625 00:33:27,976 --> 00:33:29,845 They're causing a ruckus all over the country. 626 00:33:29,878 --> 00:33:31,814 Any decent lawyer 627 00:33:31,847 --> 00:33:34,283 can try this case with his eyes closed. 628 00:33:34,315 --> 00:33:37,186 You-you-you argue the case. 629 00:33:37,219 --> 00:33:39,955 Show these girls some good old-fashioned Texas morals. 630 00:33:39,988 --> 00:33:41,389 It's not about morals, Hank! 631 00:33:41,422 --> 00:33:42,825 Well, that's just ignorant. 632 00:33:42,858 --> 00:33:45,526 Why don't we legalize murder while we're at it? 633 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,129 Who's this Jane roe anyway? 634 00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:53,836 Well, she's healthy, so the baby can't kill her. 635 00:33:53,869 --> 00:33:56,972 So, she can't have an abortion in Texas. 636 00:33:57,005 --> 00:33:59,707 Why doesn't she move to New York City? 637 00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:02,244 They're gonna bring up some women's rights violations. 638 00:34:02,277 --> 00:34:05,047 A woman's right to kill her own baby? 639 00:34:08,183 --> 00:34:09,218 You're right. 640 00:34:10,785 --> 00:34:12,096 There's no way anyone with a conscience 641 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,330 could legalize killin' a child. 642 00:34:13,354 --> 00:34:15,590 And that's why I prosecuted Jack Ruby 643 00:34:15,623 --> 00:34:17,658 for killing Lee Harvey oswald. 644 00:34:17,692 --> 00:34:20,494 No judge or jury in their right mind 645 00:34:20,528 --> 00:34:25,666 would ever let abortion happen in Texas, ever. 646 00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:27,236 Ever. 647 00:34:27,269 --> 00:34:28,669 I'm Jay Floyd, 648 00:34:28,703 --> 00:34:30,414 assistant Attorney General of the state of Texas. 649 00:34:30,438 --> 00:34:31,515 The parties in this lawsuit 650 00:34:31,539 --> 00:34:32,859 have no standing before the court. 651 00:34:33,441 --> 00:34:34,910 Jane roe no longer seeks an abortion. 652 00:34:34,943 --> 00:34:36,677 She has had the baby or is having it. 653 00:34:36,711 --> 00:34:37,678 Are we gonna let the delay 654 00:34:37,712 --> 00:34:39,780 in the hearing abort the case? 655 00:34:39,815 --> 00:34:41,917 She may want to engage in activity 656 00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:43,185 where she'll become pregnant, 657 00:34:43,218 --> 00:34:44,752 and then she may want an abortion. 658 00:34:44,785 --> 00:34:46,721 The law's whether or not the party has standing 659 00:34:46,754 --> 00:34:48,957 at the time the issues are decided in the case. 660 00:34:48,991 --> 00:34:50,959 This statute takes effect 661 00:34:50,993 --> 00:34:53,761 regardless of when the embryo takes effect. 662 00:34:53,794 --> 00:34:55,931 I mean, at first week? 663 00:34:55,964 --> 00:34:57,141 There have been many arguments 664 00:34:57,165 --> 00:34:58,967 as to when an embryo becomes a human being. 665 00:34:59,001 --> 00:35:00,601 There have been many religious groups 666 00:35:00,635 --> 00:35:02,204 that have joined in that controversy, 667 00:35:02,237 --> 00:35:04,605 and I'm not setting forth the catholic faith. 668 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:06,741 How is that gettin' you anywhere? 669 00:35:06,774 --> 00:35:08,210 The point is, 670 00:35:08,243 --> 00:35:10,054 the state's interest is whether or not murder occurs, 671 00:35:10,078 --> 00:35:12,413 and if the embryo is considered a human being. 672 00:35:12,446 --> 00:35:15,918 There have been many opinions on privacy. 673 00:35:15,951 --> 00:35:20,255 So, you're saying that if Texas were to approve abortion, 674 00:35:20,289 --> 00:35:24,059 that it would be considered a direct killin' of our citizens? 675 00:35:24,092 --> 00:35:27,829 I-I think this is a bad word in this situation, 676 00:35:27,863 --> 00:35:29,340 although everybody seems to want to use it. 677 00:35:29,364 --> 00:35:31,233 I haven't come up with a phrase myself, 678 00:35:31,266 --> 00:35:33,268 but I don't think privacy is gonna do it. 679 00:35:33,302 --> 00:35:35,670 The state's position is the right of that child to life 680 00:35:35,703 --> 00:35:38,106 is superior to the woman's right to privacy. 681 00:35:39,841 --> 00:35:40,985 Then an argument could be made 682 00:35:41,009 --> 00:35:43,577 that an abortion isn't necessary, 683 00:35:43,611 --> 00:35:45,948 a medical argument because of the health of the mother. 684 00:35:45,981 --> 00:35:47,916 Any possible change in the relevant law 685 00:35:47,950 --> 00:35:50,953 is a matter for the state legislators and not the courts. 686 00:36:01,964 --> 00:36:05,334 First amendment rights or ninth amendment rights, 687 00:36:05,367 --> 00:36:06,978 I feel that they are so important that they deserve 688 00:36:07,002 --> 00:36:08,870 special protection. 689 00:36:08,904 --> 00:36:11,206 They involve fundamental human freedoms. 690 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,042 The state has not tried to prosecute unfairly, has it? 691 00:36:14,076 --> 00:36:16,011 The state is prosecuting against physicians. 692 00:36:16,044 --> 00:36:18,679 Do you think the entire statute should be stricken? 693 00:36:18,713 --> 00:36:19,915 Yes. 694 00:36:21,582 --> 00:36:23,385 - Is the court worried about...? - Ah... 695 00:36:23,418 --> 00:36:25,954 We worry about a lot of things. Don't let that worry you. 696 00:36:29,057 --> 00:36:30,624 I think the statute is so bad 697 00:36:30,658 --> 00:36:32,995 that the court just has to strike it all down. 698 00:36:33,028 --> 00:36:37,032 So, you think 63 years of unconstitutionality 699 00:36:37,065 --> 00:36:40,469 should've worn everyone's constitutional Patience? 700 00:36:40,501 --> 00:36:41,635 Is that what you're saying? 701 00:36:41,669 --> 00:36:43,014 I think the state has had plenty of time 702 00:36:43,038 --> 00:36:44,538 to construe this statute. 703 00:36:58,887 --> 00:37:01,256 This was the judge Linda clerked for, 704 00:37:01,289 --> 00:37:02,723 and she obviously made her decision 705 00:37:02,757 --> 00:37:04,893 before she even heard the case. 706 00:37:04,926 --> 00:37:06,761 I think the wink gave it away. 707 00:37:08,629 --> 00:37:11,066 I would like to draw to the court's attention that life 708 00:37:11,099 --> 00:37:13,335 is an ongoing process. 709 00:37:13,368 --> 00:37:15,370 It is almost impossible to define at which point 710 00:37:15,404 --> 00:37:17,506 life begins or 711 00:37:17,538 --> 00:37:19,673 perhaps even when life ends. 712 00:37:19,707 --> 00:37:23,744 Assuming there is a ninth amendment right to privacy, 713 00:37:23,778 --> 00:37:25,356 does the state have any compelling reason 714 00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:28,050 to regulate or modify that right? 715 00:37:28,083 --> 00:37:30,419 I cannot see any justification for regulation 716 00:37:30,452 --> 00:37:32,521 when the abortion's being done by a doctor. 717 00:37:32,553 --> 00:37:36,024 The state of the pregnancy or anything? 718 00:37:36,058 --> 00:37:39,560 The stage of the pregnancy is pause for concern, um. 719 00:37:40,996 --> 00:37:43,532 You could recognize life when the fetus is able to live 720 00:37:43,564 --> 00:37:45,766 outside the body of the mother. 721 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,037 It might be dependent on whether she has money or not? 722 00:37:49,071 --> 00:37:53,542 The young, those still in school, 723 00:37:53,574 --> 00:37:58,779 those unable to shoulder the responsibility of a child, 724 00:37:58,814 --> 00:38:01,383 these girls should not be put through the pregnancy 725 00:38:01,416 --> 00:38:03,784 and should be entitled to an abortion. 726 00:38:20,135 --> 00:38:21,635 Gentlemen, inside, now! 727 00:38:25,107 --> 00:38:28,076 I told you any decent lawyer could win this case! 728 00:38:28,110 --> 00:38:31,279 You, Mr. Floyd, are apparently not a decent lawyer. 729 00:38:31,313 --> 00:38:33,081 The judge's decision was political; 730 00:38:33,115 --> 00:38:34,292 nobody could've done anything. 731 00:38:34,316 --> 00:38:35,649 You weren't prepared! 732 00:38:35,683 --> 00:38:38,752 You didn't bring in any medical experts to testify 733 00:38:38,786 --> 00:38:40,989 that life begins at conception! 734 00:38:41,022 --> 00:38:43,691 They said the constitution didn't apply to the unborn. 735 00:38:43,724 --> 00:38:45,160 We'll fight the decision, Hank! 736 00:38:45,193 --> 00:38:48,597 Fight? You didn't even bring in all of the case law. 737 00:38:48,629 --> 00:38:52,100 Dozens that do protect the rights of the unborn! 738 00:38:52,134 --> 00:38:53,667 You've embarrassed this office. 739 00:38:53,701 --> 00:38:55,679 Sir, if you would just listen to what I have to say, I could... 740 00:38:55,703 --> 00:38:59,307 Planned parenthood in their own words agree, 741 00:38:59,341 --> 00:39:03,879 "abortion kills the life of the baby after it's begun"! 742 00:39:03,912 --> 00:39:06,148 Right here in their own damn pamphlet! 743 00:39:10,651 --> 00:39:13,054 You research this Jane roe 744 00:39:13,088 --> 00:39:15,457 to see if she's telling the truth. 745 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:18,226 Mr. Tolle, I will deal with you. 746 00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:20,562 Mr. Floyd, you deal with the governor. 747 00:39:24,765 --> 00:39:27,369 I will appeal this all the way to the supreme court, 748 00:39:27,402 --> 00:39:29,437 so help me god! 749 00:39:30,906 --> 00:39:32,673 Until the appeals process is over, 750 00:39:32,706 --> 00:39:35,743 abortion is still illegal in Texas. 751 00:39:35,776 --> 00:39:38,580 Potter keeps pushing roe. 752 00:39:38,613 --> 00:39:39,747 I think we should wait. 753 00:39:41,249 --> 00:39:42,317 The senate has rejected 754 00:39:42,350 --> 00:39:45,420 each of Nixon's appointments so far. 755 00:39:45,453 --> 00:39:47,355 Who knows how long this could take. 756 00:39:47,389 --> 00:39:50,258 Obviously, they're just trying as many cases as they can 757 00:39:50,292 --> 00:39:51,725 while they're still in control. 758 00:39:53,361 --> 00:39:55,230 Your letter to Nixon did help get your friend. 759 00:39:55,263 --> 00:39:56,565 Blackmun on the bench. 760 00:39:56,598 --> 00:39:58,366 Well, I had to do something. 761 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,903 Nothing like that has happened in 40 years. 762 00:40:01,937 --> 00:40:03,777 At this rate, the liberals will never let Nixon 763 00:40:03,805 --> 00:40:06,241 appoint any new justices. 764 00:40:06,274 --> 00:40:09,377 It could be rehnquist and Powell. 765 00:40:09,411 --> 00:40:11,913 Who the hell knows where they stand. 766 00:40:11,947 --> 00:40:13,181 What are you thinking, Byron? 767 00:40:13,215 --> 00:40:15,550 Seven judges, only six are required. 768 00:40:15,584 --> 00:40:17,118 The supreme court 769 00:40:17,152 --> 00:40:18,420 has nine justices. 770 00:40:18,453 --> 00:40:20,121 Two had just retired, 771 00:40:20,155 --> 00:40:21,755 and Nixon was fighting with the senate 772 00:40:21,789 --> 00:40:23,925 over his replacements. 773 00:40:23,959 --> 00:40:30,031 This is far too. Too sensitive a matter for seven. 774 00:40:30,065 --> 00:40:31,732 Well, we just decided the vuitch case. 775 00:40:31,765 --> 00:40:34,236 I'll bring that up and we'll-we'll move on. 776 00:40:35,804 --> 00:40:38,273 Roe v. Wade, in the grand scheme of things, 777 00:40:38,306 --> 00:40:40,909 is not that important. 778 00:40:40,942 --> 00:40:42,043 The vuitch case! 779 00:40:42,077 --> 00:40:44,613 I don't-i don't see the correlation. 780 00:40:44,646 --> 00:40:46,715 These people, they want-they want abortion 781 00:40:46,747 --> 00:40:48,550 for reasons other than life or health. 782 00:40:48,583 --> 00:40:49,951 They want abortion on demand. 783 00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:53,421 Well, we'll see. 784 00:41:02,697 --> 00:41:04,633 What's all the commotion, my jurists? 785 00:41:06,434 --> 00:41:09,471 Professor, everyone's talking about what's happening in Texas. 786 00:41:09,504 --> 00:41:11,006 Is that what's on your minds? 787 00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,308 Only fanatics are against abortion. 788 00:41:13,341 --> 00:41:14,609 Oh, really? 789 00:41:16,645 --> 00:41:17,679 Mother Teresa? 790 00:41:17,712 --> 00:41:19,514 Martin Luther King? The Dalai Lama? 791 00:41:21,383 --> 00:41:22,984 "It would seem to me clear as daylight 792 00:41:23,018 --> 00:41:24,862 - "that abortion would be a crime." - Mahatma Gandhi. 793 00:41:24,886 --> 00:41:26,021 Fanatics? 794 00:41:26,054 --> 00:41:27,689 None of them were getting pregnant. 795 00:41:27,722 --> 00:41:30,492 Regardless, we should have the right to control our own bodies. 796 00:41:30,525 --> 00:41:32,494 Yes, one should have the right 797 00:41:32,527 --> 00:41:34,496 to do whatever she wants with her own actual body. 798 00:41:34,529 --> 00:41:36,264 But let me ask you something. 799 00:41:36,298 --> 00:41:38,933 What happens when that body 800 00:41:38,967 --> 00:41:41,469 starts to interfere with another body? 801 00:41:41,503 --> 00:41:42,513 You mean, the rights of the fetus? 802 00:41:42,537 --> 00:41:45,206 It is part of our own bodies. 803 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,875 All of your body parts 804 00:41:46,908 --> 00:41:50,545 share the same DNA, except the fetus. 805 00:41:50,578 --> 00:41:52,881 So, the child, by definition, 806 00:41:52,914 --> 00:41:56,184 is not part of anyone's body but their own. 807 00:41:56,217 --> 00:41:57,652 But how can you say it's a life? 808 00:41:57,686 --> 00:41:58,987 It can't live without the mother. 809 00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:01,456 Well, Dan. 810 00:42:01,489 --> 00:42:02,991 Were you able to feed yourself 811 00:42:03,024 --> 00:42:04,869 without your mother, the day after you were born? 812 00:42:04,893 --> 00:42:06,294 - Well. - Not even a one-year-old 813 00:42:06,328 --> 00:42:08,630 or a two-year-old can take care of themselves. 814 00:42:08,663 --> 00:42:11,199 Dan can't even take care of himself now. 815 00:42:13,568 --> 00:42:14,569 You think this is funny? 816 00:42:16,371 --> 00:42:19,708 You all protest the killing in Vietnam. 817 00:42:19,741 --> 00:42:22,510 So, am I confused, or is this just hypocrisy? 818 00:42:22,544 --> 00:42:23,712 The elderly, 819 00:42:23,745 --> 00:42:26,247 the handicapped, the incapacitated, 820 00:42:26,281 --> 00:42:27,649 they can't take care of themselves. 821 00:42:27,682 --> 00:42:29,017 Should we eliminate them too? 822 00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:30,585 What about birth defects? 823 00:42:30,618 --> 00:42:34,022 To kill an unborn child because of defects 824 00:42:34,055 --> 00:42:37,192 is what the Nazis used to do to the Jews. 825 00:42:37,225 --> 00:42:38,426 Let me give you a riddle. 826 00:42:41,563 --> 00:42:43,331 The father, 827 00:42:43,365 --> 00:42:45,166 syphilitic. 828 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,035 The mother had tuberculosis. 829 00:42:47,068 --> 00:42:50,205 Of their four children, one was blind, the second died, 830 00:42:50,238 --> 00:42:51,606 the third was deaf and dumb, 831 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:53,141 and the fourth had tuberculosis, too. 832 00:42:55,777 --> 00:42:57,245 If the mother got pregnant again, 833 00:42:59,948 --> 00:43:01,449 what would you do with the baby? 834 00:43:01,483 --> 00:43:02,784 I wouldn't want my child 835 00:43:02,818 --> 00:43:05,053 to grow up disabled and suffer. 836 00:43:05,086 --> 00:43:06,621 You would have killed Beethoven. 837 00:43:08,056 --> 00:43:10,925 Don't you think that someone's hopelessness 838 00:43:10,959 --> 00:43:14,864 should motivate us to protect them, 839 00:43:14,896 --> 00:43:16,431 not destroy them? 840 00:43:22,805 --> 00:43:23,938 Is everything okay? 841 00:43:26,241 --> 00:43:31,479 I.i can't take care of a baby right now. 842 00:43:31,513 --> 00:43:32,513 I see. 843 00:43:33,849 --> 00:43:36,251 And I can't tell my family about this. 844 00:43:40,922 --> 00:43:42,323 They can't know. 845 00:43:44,659 --> 00:43:46,394 You do know I love you, right? 846 00:43:46,428 --> 00:43:48,596 I can't take care of a baby right now. 847 00:44:03,178 --> 00:44:04,612 My life is over. 848 00:44:04,646 --> 00:44:06,581 I'm so sorry, Mary. 849 00:44:06,614 --> 00:44:08,950 The hospital limits me with quotas. 850 00:44:08,983 --> 00:44:11,286 So, each of you are only permitted to do 851 00:44:11,319 --> 00:44:12,822 20 abortions a week. 852 00:44:12,855 --> 00:44:14,298 That's like saying I've done too many gall bladders 853 00:44:14,322 --> 00:44:15,990 but I can still do hernia repairs. 854 00:44:16,024 --> 00:44:18,326 This is a Democratic approach. 855 00:44:18,359 --> 00:44:21,129 To limit a woman's access to health care? 856 00:44:21,162 --> 00:44:23,631 Staff members should have equal access to beds and ors. 857 00:44:23,665 --> 00:44:25,333 I've already fulfilled my quota. 858 00:44:25,366 --> 00:44:28,436 Dr. Berg won't do abortions, let me use his. 859 00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:31,339 We can't transfer another doctor's quotas to you. 860 00:44:31,372 --> 00:44:36,778 Hah, I get this. I get what's going on here. 861 00:44:36,812 --> 00:44:39,547 This is an attack on us! Why? 862 00:44:39,581 --> 00:44:42,984 Because we were the ones outspoken on reform? 863 00:44:43,017 --> 00:44:45,220 Yeah, I've heard the whispers in the locker room 864 00:44:45,253 --> 00:44:47,021 and I've gotten the looks in the hallway, 865 00:44:47,055 --> 00:44:49,190 the half portions in the cafeteria, 866 00:44:49,224 --> 00:44:51,793 the sneers and the nicknames. 867 00:44:51,827 --> 00:44:55,129 This isn't high school. You can't hurt me. 868 00:44:55,163 --> 00:44:56,631 Because I'm proud of what I do, 869 00:44:56,664 --> 00:44:59,133 and I'm proud to help the women of this country. 870 00:44:59,167 --> 00:45:01,971 So, if you wanna humiliate me 871 00:45:02,003 --> 00:45:06,207 and call me the scraper behind my back, 872 00:45:06,241 --> 00:45:09,010 I'll wear it as a badge of honor. 873 00:45:09,043 --> 00:45:14,082 Or if you wanna ridicule me and call me the abortion king, 874 00:45:14,115 --> 00:45:17,185 I'll wear that title with pride. 875 00:45:17,218 --> 00:45:19,420 Because when a woman is at her wits' end, 876 00:45:19,454 --> 00:45:21,189 and she has no one else to turn to, 877 00:45:21,222 --> 00:45:23,758 when she's too frightened to tell her family 878 00:45:23,791 --> 00:45:26,427 or fears going to the butcher, 879 00:45:26,461 --> 00:45:28,096 when she has to spend her last dime 880 00:45:28,129 --> 00:45:29,597 to catch the greyhound 881 00:45:29,631 --> 00:45:31,934 or hitchhike her way to New York, 882 00:45:31,967 --> 00:45:35,770 when she breaks down in tears crying out for her savior 883 00:45:35,804 --> 00:45:39,707 and when your god can't help her, Kenneth. 884 00:45:41,276 --> 00:45:43,578 Who do you think she's crying for? 885 00:45:50,618 --> 00:45:52,220 I decided to fight back, 886 00:45:52,253 --> 00:45:54,890 so I had Larry call and leak the story to the press 887 00:45:54,924 --> 00:45:57,125 and feed some of this good raw meat 888 00:45:57,158 --> 00:45:59,160 to the drooling beasts in the media. 889 00:46:00,628 --> 00:46:02,397 Yeah. Hi, Kate? 890 00:46:02,430 --> 00:46:04,399 Yes, Larry lader. 891 00:46:04,432 --> 00:46:06,301 How are you? 892 00:46:06,334 --> 00:46:08,636 I have a story for you. 893 00:46:10,806 --> 00:46:12,908 Hi. I was hoping to speak to someone 894 00:46:12,942 --> 00:46:14,676 about the quotas you put on abortions. 895 00:46:19,581 --> 00:46:22,383 It's amazing how the quotas magically dried up. 896 00:46:22,417 --> 00:46:25,553 Time of death? 897 00:46:25,587 --> 00:46:27,655 And the medicine section of time magazine 898 00:46:27,689 --> 00:46:29,490 had a three-column spread. 899 00:46:30,993 --> 00:46:34,162 Thanks for getting those quotas lifted, your majesty. 900 00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:35,663 Aw. Thank you, sire. 901 00:46:35,697 --> 00:46:38,499 Your favorite, corn flakes. 902 00:46:40,869 --> 00:46:44,772 You know that John Harvey kellogg 903 00:46:44,807 --> 00:46:48,743 created corn flakes as an anti-aphrodisiac. 904 00:46:48,776 --> 00:46:52,614 He believed bland foods decreased sex drive. 905 00:46:52,647 --> 00:46:53,916 Oh, well. 906 00:46:53,949 --> 00:46:56,784 I hope that's not true, for Joan's sake. 907 00:46:56,819 --> 00:46:58,786 Did I miss something? 908 00:46:58,821 --> 00:47:01,023 Yeah, your husband's trivial knowledge. 909 00:47:01,056 --> 00:47:03,625 He also founded the race betterment foundation 910 00:47:03,658 --> 00:47:06,327 which paved the way for Margaret sanger. 911 00:47:06,361 --> 00:47:08,162 Don't eat that. 912 00:47:08,196 --> 00:47:09,196 Huh? 913 00:47:13,334 --> 00:47:15,037 Are you gonna stop me? 914 00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:16,237 Eat up. 915 00:47:26,514 --> 00:47:29,084 Could you quiet them down, Joan? 916 00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:33,956 Let me show you somethin'. 917 00:47:35,256 --> 00:47:37,191 We need to come up with a jingle. 918 00:47:37,225 --> 00:47:39,028 Something catchy. 919 00:47:39,061 --> 00:47:41,496 Bernie, what was that song you told me about? 920 00:47:41,529 --> 00:47:44,365 The one that doctors used to sing during your residency. 921 00:47:44,399 --> 00:47:46,001 Oh, I can't do that. 922 00:47:46,035 --> 00:47:47,535 - I can't... - You have a song? 923 00:47:48,904 --> 00:47:50,081 Aw, come on, Bernie. Don't be shy. 924 00:47:50,105 --> 00:47:51,539 No way, no, no, no, no. 925 00:47:51,572 --> 00:47:52,674 Let it out. 926 00:47:52,707 --> 00:47:54,184 I'm no stravinsky. I can't, I can't... 927 00:47:54,208 --> 00:47:57,980 Well, Joan is. Joan! Joan, help. 928 00:47:58,013 --> 00:47:59,681 Why don't you get us started. 929 00:47:59,714 --> 00:48:01,683 - I'll join in. - Ah. 930 00:48:01,716 --> 00:48:03,018 Come on. Come on, Bernie. 931 00:48:03,052 --> 00:48:04,318 Okay, fine, fine, fine. 932 00:48:04,352 --> 00:48:05,921 Sing it! 933 00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:08,090 Okay. Fine. 934 00:48:08,123 --> 00:48:12,161 ♪ There's a fortune in abortion ♪ 935 00:48:12,193 --> 00:48:16,397 ♪ Just a twist of the wrist and you're through ♪ 936 00:48:16,431 --> 00:48:21,036 ♪ The population of the nation ♪ 937 00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:24,505 ♪ Won't grow if it's left up to you ♪ 938 00:48:24,539 --> 00:48:29,178 ♪ There's a fortune in abortion ♪ 939 00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:33,281 ♪ There's a gold mine in the sex line ♪ 940 00:48:33,314 --> 00:48:38,020 ♪ Only rabbits have those habits ♪ 941 00:48:38,053 --> 00:48:42,790 ♪ Oh there's a fortune in abortion ♪ 942 00:48:42,825 --> 00:48:48,262 ♪ You never bother the future father ♪ 943 00:48:48,296 --> 00:48:49,764 I found the catholics! 944 00:48:49,797 --> 00:48:51,399 Those Vatican devils, 945 00:48:51,432 --> 00:48:53,434 starting right here with the big cheese: 946 00:48:53,468 --> 00:48:55,971 Cardinal Cooke, father mchugh, 947 00:48:56,004 --> 00:48:58,372 Robert byrn, Charlie rice, 948 00:48:58,406 --> 00:49:00,909 Ellen mccormack, even ed golden. 949 00:49:00,943 --> 00:49:03,544 If we're gonna succeed, people have gotta be scared! 950 00:49:03,578 --> 00:49:05,780 Well, men are governed by lines of intellect, 951 00:49:05,814 --> 00:49:07,482 women by curves of emotion. 952 00:49:07,515 --> 00:49:09,127 That's our catholic strategy, right there. 953 00:49:09,151 --> 00:49:10,618 Perfect. 954 00:49:10,651 --> 00:49:12,921 Well, these guys have been scaring people for years! 955 00:49:12,955 --> 00:49:14,555 How are we looking on the new numbers? 956 00:49:14,589 --> 00:49:16,591 A million illegal abortions a year; 957 00:49:16,624 --> 00:49:18,292 10,000 die in back alleys. 958 00:49:18,326 --> 00:49:20,162 I completely made that up. 959 00:49:20,195 --> 00:49:22,463 A million illegal abortions a year? 960 00:49:22,497 --> 00:49:26,434 Ten thousand die in back alleys? Not even close. 961 00:49:26,467 --> 00:49:28,179 That's like a hand grenade in a maternity ward. 962 00:49:28,203 --> 00:49:31,305 But we need slogans, battle cries. 963 00:49:31,339 --> 00:49:32,473 Not statistics. 964 00:49:32,507 --> 00:49:33,842 People trust numbers. 965 00:49:33,876 --> 00:49:35,010 Yeah. 966 00:49:35,043 --> 00:49:37,779 Cyril's right. People do trust numbers. 967 00:49:37,813 --> 00:49:39,848 But Betty is also right. 968 00:49:39,882 --> 00:49:41,783 People need something to grab on to, 969 00:49:41,817 --> 00:49:43,952 something to hook in their brains 970 00:49:43,986 --> 00:49:45,696 that feel like they're part of the movement. 971 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:46,654 You want a slogan? 972 00:49:46,687 --> 00:49:47,687 Yeah. 973 00:49:48,723 --> 00:49:50,358 I have a slogan. 974 00:49:50,391 --> 00:49:53,427 It's a woman's body. It's her right to choose. 975 00:49:53,461 --> 00:49:55,164 We are the pro-choice people. 976 00:49:55,197 --> 00:49:56,865 - That's amazing. - Pro-choice. 977 00:49:56,899 --> 00:49:57,966 Uh-huh. 978 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,333 Pro... we're pro-choice. 979 00:49:59,367 --> 00:50:02,838 Yes, it's-it's pro-freedom, it-it's pro-Liberty. 980 00:50:02,871 --> 00:50:04,472 Who can argue with it? 981 00:50:04,505 --> 00:50:06,641 They came up with the slogan... Pro-choice. 982 00:50:06,674 --> 00:50:08,509 Pro-choice? 983 00:50:10,145 --> 00:50:14,049 What an evasive, fraudulent and deceptive term. 984 00:50:14,082 --> 00:50:15,616 According to recent statistics, 985 00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:18,220 over one million women are having illegal abortions 986 00:50:18,253 --> 00:50:19,787 every year in america. 987 00:50:19,822 --> 00:50:21,556 And over 10,000 are dying 988 00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:23,691 from these back alley type procedures. 989 00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:29,832 Why aren't we taking our own polls? 990 00:50:29,865 --> 00:50:31,967 They told the press that one in three catholics 991 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,235 are for abortion! 992 00:50:33,268 --> 00:50:34,545 Because we don't have the money! 993 00:50:34,569 --> 00:50:35,670 Why didn't this Jane roe 994 00:50:35,703 --> 00:50:37,505 just give the baby up for adoption? 995 00:50:37,538 --> 00:50:40,242 There is a long waiting list for white babies. 996 00:50:41,542 --> 00:50:42,542 This was political. 997 00:50:44,512 --> 00:50:45,848 Judge Hughes kept her hidden. 998 00:50:47,850 --> 00:50:50,085 We gotta get Wade on the phone. 999 00:50:55,389 --> 00:50:56,490 District attorney's office, 1000 00:50:56,524 --> 00:50:57,558 may I help you? 1001 00:50:57,592 --> 00:50:59,261 Robert byrn for Henry Wade. 1002 00:50:59,294 --> 00:51:01,196 What can I do for you, Bobby? 1003 00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:02,865 I've got the team here. 1004 00:51:02,898 --> 00:51:05,033 The supreme court will hear the case! 1005 00:51:06,801 --> 00:51:08,036 Let us know if we can help. 1006 00:51:10,873 --> 00:51:12,074 It was time to prepare 1007 00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:13,108 for the supreme court. 1008 00:51:14,408 --> 00:51:16,377 While some focused on saving lives, 1009 00:51:19,047 --> 00:51:20,781 others had no idea what was coming. 1010 00:51:23,285 --> 00:51:25,419 Everyone had their own agenda. 1011 00:51:25,453 --> 00:51:27,364 We used Sarah and the lawyers from planned parenthood 1012 00:51:27,388 --> 00:51:28,489 to fulfill ours. 1013 00:51:31,326 --> 00:51:32,895 Certainties as unquestioned 1014 00:51:32,928 --> 00:51:36,231 as the U.S. constitution itself, trembled! 1015 00:51:56,084 --> 00:51:57,652 All rise! 1016 00:52:13,969 --> 00:52:16,570 There were still only seven justices 1017 00:52:16,604 --> 00:52:18,472 because Nixon still wasn't able to 1018 00:52:18,506 --> 00:52:20,342 get his two picks confirmed. 1019 00:52:23,211 --> 00:52:25,414 I am completely out of my depth. 1020 00:52:25,446 --> 00:52:26,781 Don't be nervous. 1021 00:52:26,815 --> 00:52:28,649 You had the best of the best prepare you. 1022 00:52:29,517 --> 00:52:30,953 You'll be fine. 1023 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,682 We will hear arguments 1024 00:53:01,716 --> 00:53:05,120 in roe against Wade. 1025 00:53:05,153 --> 00:53:07,322 Mrs. Weddington, you may proceed. 1026 00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:21,669 Mr. Chief justice, may it please the court. 1027 00:53:23,372 --> 00:53:26,141 The court declared the Texas abortion law 1028 00:53:26,174 --> 00:53:29,577 to be unconstitutional for two reasons. 1029 00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:32,414 First, the law was vague, 1030 00:53:32,447 --> 00:53:36,018 and second, it violated a woman's right 1031 00:53:36,051 --> 00:53:39,087 to continue or terminate a pregnancy. 1032 00:53:39,121 --> 00:53:42,157 The Texas law permits abortions be performed 1033 00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:45,193 only for the purpose of saving the life of the woman. 1034 00:53:47,029 --> 00:53:49,597 When this case of yours 1035 00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:51,166 was in the district court, 1036 00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,236 the case of vuitch against the United States 1037 00:53:54,269 --> 00:53:56,505 had not been decided here. 1038 00:53:56,537 --> 00:53:57,571 That is correct. 1039 00:53:57,605 --> 00:53:59,107 Now that it has, 1040 00:53:59,141 --> 00:54:01,009 do you think that that disposes of 1041 00:54:01,043 --> 00:54:03,078 some of the questions you're raising now? 1042 00:54:03,111 --> 00:54:05,447 Your honor, I do not. 1043 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,015 In the vuitch decision, 1044 00:54:07,049 --> 00:54:09,918 this court was working with a statute which provided 1045 00:54:09,951 --> 00:54:11,752 that an abortion could be permitted 1046 00:54:11,786 --> 00:54:14,056 for reasons of health or life. 1047 00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:17,092 Does Texas law, in other areas of the law, 1048 00:54:17,125 --> 00:54:19,461 give rights to the unborn? 1049 00:54:19,494 --> 00:54:24,199 In an area such as trusts, estates, wills or elsewhere? 1050 00:54:24,232 --> 00:54:27,436 The supreme court of Texas recently held a case 1051 00:54:27,469 --> 00:54:30,638 in which there is action for prenatal injuries at any stage 1052 00:54:30,671 --> 00:54:33,442 prior to birth, but only upon the condition 1053 00:54:33,475 --> 00:54:35,243 that it be born alive. 1054 00:54:50,859 --> 00:54:53,495 Mr. Justice, it's an old joke, 1055 00:54:53,528 --> 00:54:58,233 but when a man argues against two beautiful ladies, 1056 00:54:58,266 --> 00:54:59,700 they're gonna have the last word. 1057 00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:10,145 As to the-as to the unmarried pregnant female, 1058 00:55:10,178 --> 00:55:12,680 a unique situation arises. 1059 00:55:12,713 --> 00:55:14,116 Is her action moot? 1060 00:55:15,951 --> 00:55:18,520 It has been recognized by the appellant's counsel 1061 00:55:18,553 --> 00:55:21,423 that she is no longer pregnant. 1062 00:55:21,456 --> 00:55:24,860 Of course, if moot, there is no case or controversy. 1063 00:55:24,893 --> 00:55:26,928 - Class action, wasn't it? - Yes, 1064 00:55:26,962 --> 00:55:28,796 but the whole purpose of class action 1065 00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:31,699 is to have a representative in court. 1066 00:55:31,732 --> 00:55:34,269 So, what procedure would you suggest 1067 00:55:34,302 --> 00:55:37,705 for any pregnant female in the state of Texas 1068 00:55:37,738 --> 00:55:41,510 to ever get judicial consideration? 1069 00:55:41,543 --> 00:55:42,978 We can take judicial notice 1070 00:55:43,011 --> 00:55:45,147 of the fact that at any given moment, 1071 00:55:45,180 --> 00:55:49,050 there are unwed pregnant females in the state of Texas. 1072 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,388 I think she makes her choice 1073 00:55:53,421 --> 00:55:55,857 prior to the time that she becomes pregnant. 1074 00:55:55,891 --> 00:55:58,059 Maybe she makes her choice 1075 00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:01,129 when she decides to live in Texas. 1076 00:56:10,038 --> 00:56:12,040 It should've been debated in congress, not here. 1077 00:56:13,674 --> 00:56:15,477 "Courts are the mere instruments of the law, 1078 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:16,978 and can will nothing." John Marshall. 1079 00:56:17,012 --> 00:56:18,380 Politicians don't have the courage 1080 00:56:18,413 --> 00:56:19,814 to argue with the legislature. 1081 00:56:19,848 --> 00:56:20,916 The right to life 1082 00:56:20,949 --> 00:56:22,093 is the cornerstone of our government. 1083 00:56:22,117 --> 00:56:23,885 It's a foundation of the constitution. 1084 00:56:23,919 --> 00:56:27,088 They were mocking him in there. 1085 00:56:27,122 --> 00:56:29,424 I don't even know why this is in the supreme court. 1086 00:56:29,457 --> 00:56:31,092 There's no factual record in this case, 1087 00:56:31,126 --> 00:56:33,161 no trial, no expert witnesses, 1088 00:56:33,195 --> 00:56:34,663 no description of evidence, 1089 00:56:34,695 --> 00:56:36,706 no expert witness testimony. It didn't even go through 1090 00:56:36,730 --> 00:56:37,698 an appeal! 1091 00:56:37,731 --> 00:56:38,934 This is a conspiracy. 1092 00:56:38,967 --> 00:56:39,733 They're laughin' at him in there! 1093 00:56:39,767 --> 00:56:41,169 Laughin' at him! 1094 00:56:41,203 --> 00:56:42,780 They're not laughin' with him. They're laughin' at him! 1095 00:56:42,804 --> 00:56:44,940 It couldn't have been that bad. 1096 00:56:44,973 --> 00:56:46,841 You're a law professor. 1097 00:56:46,875 --> 00:56:49,244 He didn't even address the rights of the unborn 1098 00:56:49,277 --> 00:56:51,346 in property law, probate law, 1099 00:56:51,379 --> 00:56:54,282 criminal law, tort law, the list goes on. 1100 00:56:54,316 --> 00:56:58,019 The judges ask him what rights, if any, do the unborn have, 1101 00:56:58,053 --> 00:57:00,788 and he just stood there and didn't say anything. 1102 00:57:00,822 --> 00:57:02,624 I gotta go before I blow a gasket! 1103 00:57:05,994 --> 00:57:08,363 There's no more discussion for...? 1104 00:57:08,396 --> 00:57:09,931 For roe? 1105 00:57:11,967 --> 00:57:13,301 The four justices on the right 1106 00:57:13,335 --> 00:57:15,136 with their hands up 1107 00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:18,940 voted to legalize abortion, while the three on the left, 1108 00:57:18,974 --> 00:57:23,411 including chief justice burger, were supporting life. 1109 00:57:23,445 --> 00:57:26,681 This made it four to three in favor of abortion. 1110 00:57:39,594 --> 00:57:41,563 Apologize, gentlemen. 1111 00:57:41,596 --> 00:57:43,632 In the matter of roe v. Wade, 1112 00:57:43,665 --> 00:57:46,501 I want the case reargued. 1113 00:57:46,534 --> 00:57:47,902 Chief justice burger was losing, 1114 00:57:47,936 --> 00:57:49,671 so he wanted the case reheard 1115 00:57:49,704 --> 00:57:53,241 to flip the vote in favor of life. 1116 00:57:53,275 --> 00:57:54,242 Well, besides the obvious, 1117 00:57:54,276 --> 00:57:55,577 what's your reasoning? 1118 00:57:55,610 --> 00:57:56,621 Four to three in favor of roe, 1119 00:57:56,645 --> 00:57:58,013 it's very close. 1120 00:57:58,046 --> 00:57:59,414 We've had close decisions before. 1121 00:57:59,447 --> 00:58:00,757 Because it didn't go Warren's way. 1122 00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:02,083 That has nothing to do with it. 1123 00:58:02,117 --> 00:58:03,194 The importance of this issue 1124 00:58:03,218 --> 00:58:05,820 merits a full bench treatment. 1125 00:58:05,854 --> 00:58:06,855 Of course, Harry. 1126 00:58:06,888 --> 00:58:07,965 Because you're Warren's man. 1127 00:58:07,989 --> 00:58:09,291 I resent that. 1128 00:58:09,324 --> 00:58:11,126 You were best man at his wedding. 1129 00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:13,794 It was my idea to reargue in the first place. 1130 00:58:13,828 --> 00:58:17,532 Harry, you're here because he recommended you to Nixon. 1131 00:58:17,565 --> 00:58:19,701 Enough! We need to wait! 1132 00:58:19,734 --> 00:58:21,336 And why is that? Because this decision 1133 00:58:21,369 --> 00:58:24,172 might affect your old pal Nixon's re-election? 1134 00:58:24,205 --> 00:58:26,641 Really, Potter? 1135 00:58:26,675 --> 00:58:29,477 Can we rest the egos 1136 00:58:29,511 --> 00:58:31,813 and try to get a little work done, please? 1137 00:58:31,846 --> 00:58:34,182 Does anyone else have an opinion on this? 1138 00:58:34,215 --> 00:58:35,350 Yes, I don't see any problem 1139 00:58:35,383 --> 00:58:36,551 with rearguing. 1140 00:58:36,584 --> 00:58:38,053 Nixon opposes abortion, 1141 00:58:38,086 --> 00:58:40,789 so I'm sure his new justices will follow suit. 1142 00:58:40,822 --> 00:58:42,791 Two new justices voting Nixon's way 1143 00:58:42,824 --> 00:58:44,159 will change the outcome here. 1144 00:58:44,192 --> 00:58:45,894 Political allegiance should not affect 1145 00:58:45,927 --> 00:58:48,563 how we interpret the constitution, gentlemen. 1146 00:58:48,596 --> 00:58:49,831 Yes, and with that, 1147 00:58:49,864 --> 00:58:51,900 I'm appointing Harry to pen the opinion. 1148 00:58:51,933 --> 00:58:54,135 I'm the senior justice in the majority. 1149 00:58:54,169 --> 00:58:56,204 I've got to agree with bill, Warren. 1150 00:58:56,237 --> 00:58:58,015 - That's not standard protocol. - I'm the chief justice. 1151 00:58:58,039 --> 00:58:59,341 I determine protocol. 1152 00:58:59,374 --> 00:59:02,043 You are trying to control this, Warren, old buddy. 1153 00:59:02,077 --> 00:59:03,745 That is completely unethical. 1154 00:59:03,778 --> 00:59:05,380 Aren't you the one that pushed this case? 1155 00:59:08,249 --> 00:59:09,884 All those in favor of rearguing? 1156 00:59:12,053 --> 00:59:13,088 They voted six to one 1157 00:59:13,121 --> 00:59:15,857 to reargue roe v. Wade. 1158 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:19,327 There you go. That's it. 1159 00:59:19,361 --> 00:59:21,429 Justice Douglas was the only one 1160 00:59:21,463 --> 00:59:23,231 to oppose hearing the case again. 1161 00:59:29,771 --> 00:59:31,139 - William? - Hmm. 1162 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,375 Bill. 1163 00:59:40,648 --> 00:59:42,183 It's a letter of protest 1164 00:59:42,217 --> 00:59:44,519 including my draft dissent to reargue. 1165 00:59:44,552 --> 00:59:46,020 The draft dissent 1166 00:59:46,054 --> 00:59:49,457 is a formal letter that outlines justice Douglas' reasons 1167 00:59:49,491 --> 00:59:54,462 as to why he thought roe v. Wade should not be reheard. 1168 00:59:54,496 --> 00:59:55,930 And why are you giving this to me? 1169 00:59:57,899 --> 01:00:00,902 Burger abused his power. 1170 01:00:00,935 --> 01:00:02,570 I'm the senior justice after him, 1171 01:00:02,604 --> 01:00:04,906 he was supposed to assign the case to me. 1172 01:00:04,939 --> 01:00:07,409 That's already been decided, okay? 1173 01:00:07,442 --> 01:00:08,910 Get off that. 1174 01:00:08,943 --> 01:00:09,954 Chief justice is going to make sure 1175 01:00:09,978 --> 01:00:11,579 that we reargue this case. 1176 01:00:11,613 --> 01:00:15,250 The senate just confirmed rehnquist and Powell. 1177 01:00:15,283 --> 01:00:17,552 That will flip the decision. 1178 01:00:17,585 --> 01:00:18,620 You see, justice Douglas 1179 01:00:18,653 --> 01:00:20,555 supported Jane roe, 1180 01:00:20,588 --> 01:00:22,791 and right now, the vote was four to three 1181 01:00:22,825 --> 01:00:24,993 in his favor to win. 1182 01:00:25,026 --> 01:00:27,962 He was afraid if there was gonna be a reargument 1183 01:00:27,996 --> 01:00:31,599 with two new justices, the vote would flip 1184 01:00:31,633 --> 01:00:34,202 and it would be five-four, and he would lose. 1185 01:00:39,974 --> 01:00:41,676 Has burger seen this? 1186 01:00:41,709 --> 01:00:43,178 Not yet. 1187 01:00:45,881 --> 01:00:47,917 You cannot send this letter to the press. 1188 01:00:47,949 --> 01:00:49,284 Promise me you're voting with us. 1189 01:00:49,317 --> 01:00:50,652 How dare you! 1190 01:00:50,685 --> 01:00:53,087 Promise me now, or this is going to be published. 1191 01:00:53,121 --> 01:00:54,789 You will disgrace the court. 1192 01:00:54,824 --> 01:00:56,758 If you don't wanna see that in the post, 1193 01:00:56,791 --> 01:00:58,460 you need to assure me that a reargument 1194 01:00:58,493 --> 01:01:00,228 will not change your vote. 1195 01:01:19,013 --> 01:01:20,982 You need to make an issue of this. 1196 01:01:21,015 --> 01:01:22,852 I don't understand how a single justice 1197 01:01:22,885 --> 01:01:24,686 can order things his way. 1198 01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:26,488 Now you know how women feel. 1199 01:01:26,521 --> 01:01:28,156 I'm late, I have to get to the clinic. 1200 01:01:28,189 --> 01:01:30,458 I wish you wouldn't spend so much time at that place. 1201 01:01:30,492 --> 01:01:31,659 That place? 1202 01:01:31,693 --> 01:01:32,895 Planned parenthood? 1203 01:01:32,928 --> 01:01:34,496 You don't want us supporting women? 1204 01:01:36,598 --> 01:01:38,166 We'll talk about it later. 1205 01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:39,367 Okay. 1206 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,836 - Andy. - William. 1207 01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:42,310 - You're looking lovely. - Thank you. 1208 01:01:45,941 --> 01:01:47,342 Planned parenthood? 1209 01:01:47,375 --> 01:01:49,377 Planned parenthood? 1210 01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:52,882 Nobody knew justice Stewart's wife worked there. 1211 01:01:52,915 --> 01:01:54,817 You need to recuse yourself. 1212 01:01:54,850 --> 01:01:56,150 Look, bill. 1213 01:01:56,184 --> 01:01:58,086 My wife volunteers there, not me. 1214 01:01:58,119 --> 01:01:59,889 This is a major conflict of interest. 1215 01:01:59,922 --> 01:02:02,190 If word got out. 1216 01:02:02,223 --> 01:02:04,425 Please, you need to control your home. 1217 01:02:04,459 --> 01:02:06,694 What burger did was worse. 1218 01:02:06,728 --> 01:02:08,272 He appointed Harry to write the opinion. 1219 01:02:08,296 --> 01:02:10,698 That is a gross abandonment of protocol. 1220 01:02:10,732 --> 01:02:12,534 We were ready to vote this four-three. 1221 01:02:15,136 --> 01:02:17,873 Potter, here's my letter and dissent. 1222 01:02:17,907 --> 01:02:19,440 You know what I resent? 1223 01:02:19,474 --> 01:02:21,276 I resent the fact that burger thinks 1224 01:02:21,309 --> 01:02:23,578 he has rehnquist and Powell in his pocket. 1225 01:02:23,611 --> 01:02:25,380 They're brand new, 1226 01:02:25,413 --> 01:02:27,181 and burger acts like he owns the court. 1227 01:02:27,215 --> 01:02:29,617 But he has no right to hold this up for those two. 1228 01:02:29,651 --> 01:02:32,053 He wants to make sure the vote goes his way, 1229 01:02:32,086 --> 01:02:34,188 that's why he's demanding a reargument. 1230 01:02:34,222 --> 01:02:35,590 Right. And that will flip the vote 1231 01:02:35,623 --> 01:02:37,225 and we lose five-four. 1232 01:02:37,258 --> 01:02:40,595 If we don't sort this out, fur will fly today. 1233 01:02:55,945 --> 01:02:57,478 You see, in the end, 1234 01:02:57,512 --> 01:02:59,915 it was justice Stewart who leaked the court's internal vote 1235 01:02:59,949 --> 01:03:01,549 to the Washington post. 1236 01:03:01,583 --> 01:03:04,053 He wanted to stop the case from being reheard 1237 01:03:04,085 --> 01:03:06,754 because he wanted abortion legalized. 1238 01:03:06,788 --> 01:03:08,623 So, judge, how's the wife? 1239 01:03:08,656 --> 01:03:10,792 Cut the small talk, Bob. 1240 01:03:10,826 --> 01:03:12,962 Look, I understand your wife was a volunteer 1241 01:03:12,995 --> 01:03:15,630 for planned parenthood. Is that why we're here? 1242 01:03:15,663 --> 01:03:17,332 Absolutely not. 1243 01:03:17,365 --> 01:03:19,667 All my decisions have to do with law and the constitution. 1244 01:03:19,701 --> 01:03:21,202 Now, let's get this over with. 1245 01:03:28,209 --> 01:03:30,144 Are you sure you want to give this to me? 1246 01:03:30,178 --> 01:03:31,446 Burger is gonna hit the roof 1247 01:03:31,479 --> 01:03:33,514 when he sees this on the front page of the post. 1248 01:03:33,548 --> 01:03:35,483 Yeah, well, he deserves it. 1249 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,435 I wish you hadn't given me this case. 1250 01:03:54,469 --> 01:03:55,981 Have you-have you seen the post this morning? 1251 01:03:56,005 --> 01:03:58,272 I saw it. 1252 01:03:58,306 --> 01:04:00,075 - I saw it! - Now everyone knows how I voted. 1253 01:04:01,743 --> 01:04:03,378 The media is outrageous. 1254 01:04:03,411 --> 01:04:05,848 Media? There's a leak! 1255 01:04:05,881 --> 01:04:08,083 The appetite for this nonsense is only worse. 1256 01:04:09,717 --> 01:04:11,486 How long we been friends? 1257 01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:13,354 Dayton bluff elementary. 1258 01:04:15,390 --> 01:04:16,658 It wasn't you, was it? 1259 01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:22,830 I'm sorry. 1260 01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:26,234 I'm out of sorts. 1261 01:04:26,267 --> 01:04:31,339 My family, my own family, is up in arms about my vote. 1262 01:04:31,372 --> 01:04:32,483 They've been watching television. 1263 01:04:32,507 --> 01:04:35,443 I don't-i don't know what to do, Harry. 1264 01:04:42,350 --> 01:04:46,254 Warren. I question my competency. 1265 01:04:48,023 --> 01:04:49,058 Don't. 1266 01:04:52,427 --> 01:04:55,430 Your decade of counsel with the Mayo clinic, 1267 01:04:56,865 --> 01:04:59,001 it will be very helpful here. 1268 01:04:59,034 --> 01:05:01,736 I've only been here a year. 1269 01:05:01,769 --> 01:05:04,572 We gotta control this, Harry. 1270 01:05:04,605 --> 01:05:05,941 It's gotten out of hand. 1271 01:05:05,974 --> 01:05:07,374 Do you know what they're calling me? 1272 01:05:08,811 --> 01:05:10,278 Your boy. 1273 01:05:10,311 --> 01:05:15,851 They are calling me your boy, the Minnesota twin. 1274 01:05:15,884 --> 01:05:19,253 I trust you, Harry, and I need your help. 1275 01:05:19,287 --> 01:05:20,755 I need your support here. 1276 01:05:27,462 --> 01:05:29,464 I'm on the fence. 1277 01:05:29,497 --> 01:05:31,232 Harry, with all this public pressure, 1278 01:05:31,265 --> 01:05:32,567 we've got to get this right. 1279 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,470 We're going to be remembered for this. 1280 01:05:35,503 --> 01:05:37,139 Perhaps this is beyond the authority 1281 01:05:37,172 --> 01:05:38,573 of the supreme court. 1282 01:05:40,675 --> 01:05:43,311 We are the law of the land, Harry. 1283 01:05:45,747 --> 01:05:47,415 We are the law of the land. 1284 01:05:52,988 --> 01:05:55,556 Abortion was still illegal in Texas. 1285 01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:58,593 So, every Friday, the flight from Dallas to El Paso 1286 01:05:58,626 --> 01:05:59,794 was booked solid. 1287 01:05:59,828 --> 01:06:00,829 They landed 1288 01:06:00,863 --> 01:06:02,097 and crossed the border. 1289 01:06:02,131 --> 01:06:04,499 It was called the abortion flight. 1290 01:06:04,532 --> 01:06:06,068 Planned parenthood and naral 1291 01:06:06,101 --> 01:06:08,170 fundraised at the playboy mansion. 1292 01:06:08,203 --> 01:06:09,838 I mean, it's kind of hypocritical 1293 01:06:09,872 --> 01:06:11,140 that we exploited women 1294 01:06:11,173 --> 01:06:12,740 for women's rights, 1295 01:06:12,774 --> 01:06:15,177 but hey, anything for a good cause. 1296 01:06:18,113 --> 01:06:19,614 Larry and I were on a roll. 1297 01:06:19,647 --> 01:06:22,117 We were performing 200 abortions a day, 1298 01:06:22,151 --> 01:06:24,652 which was making my clinic 50 grand. 1299 01:06:24,685 --> 01:06:27,655 Today, that would be like half a million a week. 1300 01:06:37,166 --> 01:06:40,535 And that's how I became a published author. 1301 01:06:40,568 --> 01:06:42,104 That's so far out. 1302 01:06:42,137 --> 01:06:43,380 You know, Larry here changed the laws 1303 01:06:43,404 --> 01:06:45,640 in half the country, singlehandedly. 1304 01:06:45,673 --> 01:06:47,976 Bernie and I own most of the clinics in New York. 1305 01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:49,710 Oh, my god. That's sick. 1306 01:06:49,744 --> 01:06:51,113 And how did you do that? 1307 01:06:51,146 --> 01:06:52,680 We control the media. 1308 01:06:52,713 --> 01:06:54,515 Get real. 1309 01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:55,616 We do. 1310 01:06:55,650 --> 01:06:57,451 They write whatever we tell them. 1311 01:06:57,485 --> 01:06:59,687 This one time, we got the New York times 1312 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:00,989 to publish a poll 1313 01:07:01,023 --> 01:07:04,159 on how many doctors were in favor of abortion. 1314 01:07:04,193 --> 01:07:06,295 We said 87% sounded good. 1315 01:07:06,327 --> 01:07:08,997 How many doctors again was that out of, Larry? 1316 01:07:09,031 --> 01:07:10,665 About 40,000, I think. 1317 01:07:10,698 --> 01:07:12,700 Can you believe they printed that? 1318 01:07:12,733 --> 01:07:14,136 And then, we got them to say 1319 01:07:14,169 --> 01:07:17,973 that 60% of Americans favored abortion. 1320 01:07:18,006 --> 01:07:20,341 Why didn't you guys just do a real poll? 1321 01:07:20,374 --> 01:07:22,643 Because if a real poll was taken, 1322 01:07:22,677 --> 01:07:26,414 nowhere near 60% of Americans favored abortion. 1323 01:07:26,447 --> 01:07:30,384 So, we made it up, and the media didn't even question it. 1324 01:07:30,418 --> 01:07:33,155 This is a tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. 1325 01:07:33,188 --> 01:07:36,557 You see, few people care to be in the minority. 1326 01:07:36,591 --> 01:07:38,492 There's nowhere near a half a million women 1327 01:07:38,526 --> 01:07:39,904 - are having back alley abortions. - Yeah. You see, 1328 01:07:39,928 --> 01:07:42,264 if you keep repeating the big lie over and over again, 1329 01:07:42,297 --> 01:07:44,532 it generally convinces the public. 1330 01:07:44,565 --> 01:07:46,869 Well, 10,000 women die from back alley abortions. 1331 01:07:48,603 --> 01:07:49,905 - What? - Larry, wait. 1332 01:07:49,938 --> 01:07:51,340 We made that up, too. 1333 01:07:51,372 --> 01:07:53,507 Yeah, those are my statistics I came up with. 1334 01:07:53,541 --> 01:07:55,878 - Yeah! - You guys lied? 1335 01:07:55,911 --> 01:07:57,112 I wouldn't call it lying. 1336 01:07:57,145 --> 01:07:58,289 Yeah, it was for the greater good. 1337 01:07:58,313 --> 01:08:01,083 Planned parenthood, they also helped. 1338 01:08:02,317 --> 01:08:03,852 And no one found out? 1339 01:08:03,886 --> 01:08:08,290 Found out? Honey, the media was in on it. 1340 01:08:08,323 --> 01:08:11,293 You see, for example, if you check out time magazine, 1341 01:08:11,326 --> 01:08:13,862 we planted four pro-abortion stories 1342 01:08:13,896 --> 01:08:14,963 every year. 1343 01:08:14,997 --> 01:08:18,934 So, 1969, and we have it in. 1344 01:08:18,967 --> 01:08:20,735 March, September, two in November. 1345 01:08:20,768 --> 01:08:24,072 In 1970, February, march, April, September, 1346 01:08:24,106 --> 01:08:26,774 in '71, march, may, September, November, 1347 01:08:26,808 --> 01:08:27,809 and so on and so forth. 1348 01:08:27,843 --> 01:08:29,410 We kept doing it. 1349 01:08:29,443 --> 01:08:31,646 We also put pro-abortion stories in TV shows and films. 1350 01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:33,048 Yeah, remember that movie... 1351 01:08:33,081 --> 01:08:35,384 Oh, what was it... Cabaret with Liza minelli? 1352 01:08:35,416 --> 01:08:36,751 Yes. 1353 01:08:36,784 --> 01:08:42,124 Okay, wait! Time magazine. Really? 1354 01:08:42,157 --> 01:08:43,691 And how did you guys do that? 1355 01:08:45,193 --> 01:08:47,162 We used each other as sources. 1356 01:09:00,309 --> 01:09:01,986 Should we really be doing this on mother's day? 1357 01:09:02,010 --> 01:09:03,611 Exactly. 1358 01:09:03,644 --> 01:09:04,644 All right. 1359 01:09:09,284 --> 01:09:11,153 How's the rally going, bubalah? 1360 01:09:12,321 --> 01:09:14,089 Yeah, hi. 1361 01:09:14,122 --> 01:09:15,790 Larry got commissions by referring women 1362 01:09:15,824 --> 01:09:18,360 to abortionists all over the country. 1363 01:09:18,393 --> 01:09:21,796 In Chicago, he even used rabbis and protestant clergy 1364 01:09:21,830 --> 01:09:23,966 to help find them doctors. 1365 01:09:23,999 --> 01:09:25,700 Is my referral there? 1366 01:09:25,733 --> 01:09:27,869 With me, as we speak. 1367 01:09:29,304 --> 01:09:30,671 Okay, good. 1368 01:09:34,508 --> 01:09:35,844 Yeah, I gotta run. 1369 01:09:37,012 --> 01:09:38,713 Such a good guy, that Larry, 1370 01:09:38,746 --> 01:09:41,149 making sure the two of you are okay. 1371 01:09:42,351 --> 01:09:44,719 I really need to get this done soon. 1372 01:09:44,752 --> 01:09:47,055 I-I recommend going to New York. 1373 01:09:47,089 --> 01:09:51,059 Larry's partner Bernie, he's terrific. 1374 01:09:51,093 --> 01:09:53,661 You don't have anyone in Chicago? 1375 01:09:53,694 --> 01:09:56,832 I can't leave. What do I tell my husband? 1376 01:09:56,865 --> 01:09:58,066 Oh, jeez. 1377 01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:00,235 Oy vey, you're not the husband? 1378 01:10:01,403 --> 01:10:03,105 You know it's not legal here. 1379 01:10:04,272 --> 01:10:07,075 Please, rabbi, I-I beg you. 1380 01:10:07,109 --> 01:10:08,310 Don't cry, don't cry. 1381 01:10:08,343 --> 01:10:11,645 It's okay. It's okay. Go see Dr. Ketchum. 1382 01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:13,647 He's not bad. 1383 01:10:13,681 --> 01:10:15,183 And we're not gonna get in trouble? 1384 01:10:15,217 --> 01:10:18,053 Oh, boychik, I take care of everything. 1385 01:10:19,388 --> 01:10:20,388 Okay. 1386 01:10:21,522 --> 01:10:23,557 Thank you. 1387 01:10:23,591 --> 01:10:26,094 Dozens write amicus briefs, and we get four. 1388 01:10:27,362 --> 01:10:28,729 They lied to rockefeller 1389 01:10:28,763 --> 01:10:30,399 about the numbers on abortion, 1390 01:10:30,432 --> 01:10:32,700 and New York fell just like that. 1391 01:10:32,733 --> 01:10:35,404 When you see a kid out of law school 1392 01:10:35,437 --> 01:10:37,906 get to argue to the highest court in Texas, 1393 01:10:37,939 --> 01:10:40,342 and you can't get a job promotion. 1394 01:10:40,375 --> 01:10:42,444 I could have become a cause célèbre 1395 01:10:42,477 --> 01:10:44,880 if I had taken it up to court, 1396 01:10:44,913 --> 01:10:47,715 but it's about knowing the price of the game. 1397 01:10:47,748 --> 01:10:50,352 I wouldn't have waited 20 years; I'd have sued them. 1398 01:10:50,385 --> 01:10:54,189 It will be easier for those coming behind me. 1399 01:10:54,222 --> 01:10:56,724 You don't always have to be so strong. 1400 01:10:56,757 --> 01:10:58,626 It's not really fair. 1401 01:10:58,659 --> 01:11:00,694 Life isn't fair. 1402 01:11:00,728 --> 01:11:03,065 It doesn't mean I condone it. 1403 01:11:03,098 --> 01:11:05,766 When given a choice of being kind or right, be kind. 1404 01:11:07,502 --> 01:11:08,636 You can be angry, Mildred. 1405 01:11:11,106 --> 01:11:13,542 You certainly have been a role model. 1406 01:11:16,445 --> 01:11:18,280 Planned parenthood and Larry lader 1407 01:11:18,313 --> 01:11:20,982 are running seminars to set up clinics across the country. 1408 01:11:21,016 --> 01:11:22,616 And not to mention Nathanson. 1409 01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:25,287 Oh. Maybe I should pay him a visit, 1410 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:26,654 doctor to doctor. 1411 01:11:26,687 --> 01:11:28,090 Good luck with that. 1412 01:11:28,123 --> 01:11:29,633 They're making too much money off these clinics. 1413 01:11:29,657 --> 01:11:31,226 Not to mention the illegal ones. 1414 01:11:31,259 --> 01:11:32,828 We have to be willing to get arrested 1415 01:11:32,861 --> 01:11:34,963 for our beliefs just like they are. 1416 01:11:34,996 --> 01:11:37,299 Illegal abortion houses, that's class warfare. 1417 01:11:41,036 --> 01:11:43,271 I'll reach out to the das across the country. 1418 01:11:44,539 --> 01:11:45,539 What are you thinking? 1419 01:11:47,775 --> 01:11:48,853 Let's see just how many times 1420 01:11:48,877 --> 01:11:50,611 they're really willing to get arrested. 1421 01:12:01,223 --> 01:12:02,858 Come on. Let's go. 1422 01:12:02,891 --> 01:12:04,593 We had secret abortion clinics 1423 01:12:04,658 --> 01:12:06,261 - across the country, - get in here. 1424 01:12:06,294 --> 01:12:08,363 For girls who couldn't get to New York. 1425 01:12:08,396 --> 01:12:11,299 Part of our referral network consisted of rabbis 1426 01:12:11,333 --> 01:12:14,768 and protestant clergy that helped set them up. 1427 01:12:14,802 --> 01:12:17,372 Sometimes, we even used five-star hotels. 1428 01:12:42,531 --> 01:12:43,632 Freeze! 1429 01:12:43,664 --> 01:12:45,666 Hands in the air where I can see them. 1430 01:12:45,699 --> 01:12:47,499 This is the one. Right here, guys, right here. 1431 01:12:48,370 --> 01:12:49,371 Chicago pd! 1432 01:12:49,404 --> 01:12:50,472 Put your gun down. 1433 01:12:50,505 --> 01:12:51,840 Hey, watch it! 1434 01:12:51,873 --> 01:12:53,875 Stop right there! 1435 01:12:53,909 --> 01:12:55,676 Where do you think you're going? 1436 01:12:55,709 --> 01:12:58,712 He thinks he can get out the window. 1437 01:12:58,746 --> 01:13:00,015 Stop what you're doing. 1438 01:13:00,048 --> 01:13:01,016 Can you cuff him, please. 1439 01:13:01,049 --> 01:13:02,517 Hey, stop what you're doing, pops. 1440 01:13:02,551 --> 01:13:05,220 This is an operating room! You have no authority here! 1441 01:13:09,958 --> 01:13:11,725 Are you okay? 1442 01:13:17,933 --> 01:13:19,800 Oh, my god. 1443 01:13:29,644 --> 01:13:32,080 The rabbis and pastors getting arrested 1444 01:13:32,113 --> 01:13:34,449 brought down one of our biggest referral networks. 1445 01:13:39,921 --> 01:13:41,156 Is everything okay? 1446 01:13:42,756 --> 01:13:45,093 I just hope what we're doing is making women feel safer. 1447 01:13:48,129 --> 01:13:49,898 You should be so proud. 1448 01:13:49,931 --> 01:13:52,033 A young woman is arguing 1449 01:13:52,067 --> 01:13:55,036 in front of the supreme court because of you. 1450 01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:56,438 I thought I would have had envy, 1451 01:13:56,471 --> 01:14:02,043 but all I felt after all of it was proud of Sarah, 1452 01:14:02,077 --> 01:14:04,145 and hope this will open the gate for women to come. 1453 01:14:07,748 --> 01:14:09,985 One of our clinics was just busted. 1454 01:14:10,018 --> 01:14:11,720 Ugh. 1455 01:14:11,752 --> 01:14:14,489 Sixteen clergy, four rabbis, all arrested. 1456 01:14:14,522 --> 01:14:16,291 We have to protect these kids. 1457 01:14:16,324 --> 01:14:18,994 We have to make sure they have safe doctors. 1458 01:14:19,027 --> 01:14:21,630 These raids can't be setbacks. 1459 01:14:21,663 --> 01:14:25,267 We have to keep working for abortion on demand. 1460 01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:27,269 It makes us look like we're in it for the money. 1461 01:14:27,302 --> 01:14:28,303 It's just disgraceful. 1462 01:14:28,336 --> 01:14:30,472 No, quit exaggerating, Bernie. 1463 01:14:30,505 --> 01:14:31,916 You know what it's gonna do to me and my family 1464 01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:34,609 - and my reputation? - Oh, this is-this is about you? 1465 01:14:34,643 --> 01:14:36,978 Bernie? Is this about you and the money? 1466 01:14:37,012 --> 01:14:38,113 It's not about me. 1467 01:14:39,514 --> 01:14:40,715 It's about the girls. 1468 01:14:42,117 --> 01:14:43,351 You're not there. 1469 01:14:43,385 --> 01:14:45,153 Yeah, okay. Quit exaggerating, Bernie. 1470 01:14:47,122 --> 01:14:49,057 You don't see all the girls I save. 1471 01:14:58,833 --> 01:15:00,335 I became a physician 1472 01:15:00,368 --> 01:15:02,537 in the tradition that obliges society 1473 01:15:02,570 --> 01:15:05,140 to expect a doctor to save lives, 1474 01:15:05,173 --> 01:15:06,675 not kill them. 1475 01:15:06,708 --> 01:15:08,710 There goes your hippocratic oath. 1476 01:15:08,743 --> 01:15:11,813 Tell that to Nathanson, mother. 1477 01:15:11,846 --> 01:15:17,485 Dr. King said, "we cannot win if we're willing to sacrifice 1478 01:15:17,519 --> 01:15:19,688 the futures of our children 1479 01:15:19,721 --> 01:15:22,190 for immediate personal comfort and safety." 1480 01:15:22,223 --> 01:15:24,492 I am not willing to allow 1481 01:15:24,526 --> 01:15:28,063 the concept of expendable human lives 1482 01:15:28,096 --> 01:15:30,498 to turn this land of ours 1483 01:15:30,532 --> 01:15:33,902 into just another exclusive reservation, 1484 01:15:33,935 --> 01:15:35,303 where only the planned, 1485 01:15:35,337 --> 01:15:37,539 the privileged, and the perfect 1486 01:15:37,572 --> 01:15:39,007 have the right to live. 1487 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,542 My saying this to you, 1488 01:15:40,575 --> 01:15:42,010 we're free. 1489 01:15:42,043 --> 01:15:44,179 We finally have the right to decide what we can do 1490 01:15:44,212 --> 01:15:45,513 with our own body. 1491 01:15:45,547 --> 01:15:46,857 All right. Then, will you please get yours 1492 01:15:46,881 --> 01:15:47,882 into the kitchen. 1493 01:15:49,551 --> 01:15:52,220 - You're just scared. - I am not scared! 1494 01:15:52,253 --> 01:15:55,223 You are, and it's as simple as gong to the dentist. 1495 01:15:56,891 --> 01:15:59,894 As simple as going to the dentist? 1496 01:15:59,928 --> 01:16:05,567 Oh. I scream, they scream louder. 1497 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,838 We raise money, they raise more. 1498 01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:11,072 They have Hollywood on their side. 1499 01:16:11,106 --> 01:16:16,911 Dr. Nathanson, I heard he gave them $10,000 to air that. 1500 01:16:19,247 --> 01:16:22,784 Lewis Powell is from Virginia. 1501 01:16:22,818 --> 01:16:25,186 But like another great virginian, 1502 01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:29,724 chief justice Marshall, Lewis Powell is recognized 1503 01:16:29,758 --> 01:16:31,793 by his legal colleagues throughout the nation 1504 01:16:31,827 --> 01:16:34,629 as being a man who represents not just. 1505 01:16:34,662 --> 01:16:37,232 Virginia and the south. 1506 01:16:37,265 --> 01:16:41,436 He is first and foremost, a very great American. 1507 01:16:44,172 --> 01:16:46,107 William rehnquist 1508 01:16:46,141 --> 01:16:48,576 has been outstanding in every intellectual endeavor 1509 01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:50,612 he has undertaken. 1510 01:16:50,645 --> 01:16:53,081 He was graduated from Stanford university, 1511 01:16:53,114 --> 01:16:55,717 phi beta kappa, 1948. 1512 01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:56,751 He graduated 1513 01:16:56,785 --> 01:16:58,653 first in his class 1514 01:16:58,686 --> 01:17:01,089 from the Stanford university law school in 1942. 1515 01:17:04,759 --> 01:17:06,119 You missed the more important news! 1516 01:17:07,195 --> 01:17:08,329 We got the majority. 1517 01:17:09,631 --> 01:17:11,399 We're gonna win. 1518 01:17:11,433 --> 01:17:13,401 The two new justices were conservatives. 1519 01:17:13,435 --> 01:17:15,136 So, when we go back into court, 1520 01:17:15,170 --> 01:17:18,106 the vote will swing their way five to four. 1521 01:17:18,139 --> 01:17:19,641 We're gonna lose. 1522 01:17:21,142 --> 01:17:22,377 I wouldn't count on that. 1523 01:17:24,045 --> 01:17:26,781 We still have a lot of work to do. 1524 01:17:26,816 --> 01:17:32,086 I've tried Nathanson's service. He won't return my calls. 1525 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,123 Have you tried heading over to planned parenthood? 1526 01:17:35,156 --> 01:17:37,592 I'm not going there to get lynched. 1527 01:17:37,625 --> 01:17:39,294 I'll just head over to the hospital. 1528 01:17:40,395 --> 01:17:42,497 Are you going to go after the clergy? 1529 01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:44,599 I'm gonna go with the industry. 1530 01:17:44,632 --> 01:17:47,368 Robert, no one sees the industry. 1531 01:17:47,402 --> 01:17:48,536 It's invisible. 1532 01:17:48,570 --> 01:17:50,806 The cause is hopeless in secular terms. 1533 01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,883 The effort is only worth it 1534 01:17:51,907 --> 01:17:53,508 if it's part of a larger enterprise: 1535 01:17:53,541 --> 01:17:55,276 The reconversion of this nation. 1536 01:17:55,310 --> 01:17:56,444 To what? 1537 01:17:56,478 --> 01:17:58,881 Faith in god, respect for his law. 1538 01:17:58,914 --> 01:18:00,315 That law being? 1539 01:18:00,348 --> 01:18:03,218 Human law, which cannot tolerate the intentional killing 1540 01:18:03,251 --> 01:18:04,954 of innocent human beings. 1541 01:18:04,986 --> 01:18:06,564 Yeah, but the separation of church and state 1542 01:18:06,588 --> 01:18:07,857 is in the constitution. 1543 01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:09,791 That's a common misconception. 1544 01:18:09,825 --> 01:18:11,469 The constitution provides freedom of religion, 1545 01:18:11,493 --> 01:18:12,660 not separation. 1546 01:18:13,995 --> 01:18:16,030 Our laws are based in god's principle, 1547 01:18:16,064 --> 01:18:17,565 "thou shalt not kill." 1548 01:18:17,599 --> 01:18:21,302 Ellen, you did a great job organizing this. 1549 01:18:21,336 --> 01:18:22,336 Thank you. 1550 01:18:25,707 --> 01:18:28,543 The ninth amendment isn't some bottomless pit of rights 1551 01:18:28,576 --> 01:18:32,313 that we can abuse anytime we find a case confuses us. 1552 01:18:32,347 --> 01:18:34,015 What part of the constitution 1553 01:18:34,048 --> 01:18:38,419 says that a woman does not have a right to an abortion? 1554 01:18:38,453 --> 01:18:41,556 Freedom to choose - too vague. Freedom to choose what? 1555 01:18:41,589 --> 01:18:43,057 Prove medically and scientifically 1556 01:18:43,091 --> 01:18:46,094 that a new fetus is a-a someone. 1557 01:18:46,127 --> 01:18:48,696 Even the doctors say there is human life. 1558 01:18:48,730 --> 01:18:51,065 Human life from the moment of conception, 1559 01:18:51,099 --> 01:18:52,767 in the embryonic state. 1560 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,838 Yeah, look. You're new to the court, 1561 01:18:55,871 --> 01:18:58,874 and Mrs. Weddington presents a thought-out argument 1562 01:18:58,908 --> 01:19:00,943 for women's rights. 1563 01:19:00,976 --> 01:19:03,044 You've been watching too much TV. 1564 01:19:03,077 --> 01:19:06,214 This case has nothing to do with women's rights. 1565 01:19:06,247 --> 01:19:07,615 Does a woman, a mother, 1566 01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:12,086 have the right to kill her own child? 1567 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,923 I'll argue that case separately. 1568 01:19:13,956 --> 01:19:15,925 It's not her child, just yet. 1569 01:19:15,958 --> 01:19:17,292 Whose child is it? 1570 01:19:17,325 --> 01:19:18,894 The mother's? Father's? The state's? 1571 01:19:20,428 --> 01:19:23,032 You've only just been appointed, 1572 01:19:23,064 --> 01:19:25,733 and already you're playing into the hands of public opinion. 1573 01:19:27,168 --> 01:19:30,438 Byron, get off your high horse 1574 01:19:30,471 --> 01:19:32,841 and make a constitutional decision. 1575 01:19:35,276 --> 01:19:37,745 I am making a constitutional decision. 1576 01:19:39,982 --> 01:19:41,817 She stated on several occasions 1577 01:19:41,850 --> 01:19:43,886 that they are dismissing the hippocratic oath, 1578 01:19:43,919 --> 01:19:45,320 the very oath 1579 01:19:47,088 --> 01:19:50,258 that says doctors need to protect life. 1580 01:19:50,291 --> 01:19:53,294 It also states very clearly 1581 01:19:53,328 --> 01:19:57,432 that a woman should not be given an abortive remedy. 1582 01:19:57,465 --> 01:19:59,634 That's what you're basing your decision on, 1583 01:19:59,667 --> 01:20:00,768 the hippocratic oath. 1584 01:20:02,337 --> 01:20:03,771 It's not 400 b.C. 1585 01:20:05,340 --> 01:20:08,443 The 1948 declaration of Geneva 1586 01:20:08,476 --> 01:20:12,580 as well as the international code of medical ethics 1587 01:20:12,614 --> 01:20:19,187 both clearly state that doctors must protect life. 1588 01:20:19,220 --> 01:20:21,623 From the point of conception. 1589 01:20:21,656 --> 01:20:24,626 May I remind you, sir, 1590 01:20:24,659 --> 01:20:27,428 you're on the United States supreme court, 1591 01:20:27,462 --> 01:20:29,664 not on an international medical board. 1592 01:20:31,532 --> 01:20:35,971 We have an opportunity here to make things right. 1593 01:20:36,005 --> 01:20:39,540 We have an opportunity here to get things right. 1594 01:20:39,574 --> 01:20:42,210 I fear if we vote in favor of 1595 01:20:42,243 --> 01:20:44,113 removing the rights of the fetus, 1596 01:20:44,145 --> 01:20:47,649 that we are simply blowing this whole thing. 1597 01:20:47,682 --> 01:20:51,619 Hm-mm. Roe isn't about right or wrong. 1598 01:20:51,653 --> 01:20:53,621 It's about what's stated in the law. 1599 01:20:53,655 --> 01:20:59,227 All due respect, justice, if you don't realize that, 1600 01:20:59,260 --> 01:21:03,364 you shouldn't be on the court. Hm? 1601 01:21:03,398 --> 01:21:07,335 Church and state are separate for a reason. 1602 01:21:07,368 --> 01:21:09,203 It's god's duty to forgive. 1603 01:21:11,539 --> 01:21:14,843 It's ours to rule the law. 1604 01:21:14,877 --> 01:21:21,850 This has nothing whatsoever to do with church and state. 1605 01:21:21,884 --> 01:21:24,552 This is strictly a constitutional matter, 1606 01:21:26,254 --> 01:21:28,957 life and Liberty. 1607 01:21:30,591 --> 01:21:31,793 Or have you forgotten that? 1608 01:21:35,596 --> 01:21:36,865 Justice? 1609 01:21:42,037 --> 01:21:44,173 Wade got Robert flowers to argue. 1610 01:21:44,205 --> 01:21:46,085 He was handpicked by the Texas Attorney General. 1611 01:21:47,642 --> 01:21:49,111 How you boys and gals doing? 1612 01:21:50,611 --> 01:21:53,581 Have you seen how the whole media supports weddington? 1613 01:21:53,614 --> 01:21:55,583 Well, we better get to work then. 1614 01:21:55,616 --> 01:21:58,619 I created a moot court based on griswald and vuitch. 1615 01:21:58,653 --> 01:22:01,422 We can set up and start to fire questions. 1616 01:22:01,456 --> 01:22:02,858 My boys don't need schooling 1617 01:22:02,891 --> 01:22:05,793 by a bunch of kids from New York City. 1618 01:22:05,828 --> 01:22:06,794 It's going to be you and your boys 1619 01:22:06,829 --> 01:22:08,197 versus the whole country. 1620 01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:11,200 Well, don't tell me, I know the law! 1621 01:22:11,232 --> 01:22:13,267 I know you do. I'm worried. 1622 01:22:15,104 --> 01:22:16,580 "The greatest act of faith is when a man understands 1623 01:22:16,604 --> 01:22:18,140 that he is not god." 1624 01:22:18,173 --> 01:22:20,109 Oliver Wendell Holmes. 1625 01:22:20,142 --> 01:22:22,410 It might be a good idea, Henry. 1626 01:22:22,443 --> 01:22:23,511 I'm listening. 1627 01:22:26,014 --> 01:22:27,214 What else you got for us, Bob? 1628 01:22:28,750 --> 01:22:30,718 I filed with the court to become guardian ad litem 1629 01:22:30,752 --> 01:22:32,596 to all the unborn children in the state of New York. 1630 01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:34,823 How'd you manage that? 1631 01:22:34,857 --> 01:22:36,300 The unborn has rights in the area of the law 1632 01:22:36,324 --> 01:22:38,127 from probate to criminal. 1633 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,504 In the constitution, a person cannot be deprived due process 1634 01:22:40,528 --> 01:22:42,497 or denied equal protection. 1635 01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:44,398 - Okay. - So, the unborn have a right 1636 01:22:44,432 --> 01:22:47,002 to an attorney just like everybody else in america? 1637 01:22:48,603 --> 01:22:50,072 It's brilliant! 1638 01:22:50,105 --> 01:22:52,074 Larry, you convinced me to open a clinic, 1639 01:22:52,107 --> 01:22:54,143 abortion is illegal again in New York. 1640 01:22:54,176 --> 01:22:55,777 What are you talking about? 1641 01:22:55,811 --> 01:22:58,279 I'm gonna lose everything to that guardian of the unborn. 1642 01:22:58,312 --> 01:22:59,447 I wouldn't worry about it. 1643 01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:00,414 Guardian of the unborn, 1644 01:23:00,448 --> 01:23:01,950 it sounds like a superhero. 1645 01:23:01,984 --> 01:23:02,918 How can the catholics 1646 01:23:02,951 --> 01:23:04,786 use the court to make a law? 1647 01:23:04,820 --> 01:23:07,089 Well, isn't that what we're going to do? 1648 01:23:07,122 --> 01:23:08,790 You boys are only in favor of abortion 1649 01:23:08,824 --> 01:23:11,559 because it's cheaper than child support. 1650 01:23:13,829 --> 01:23:15,130 Equality! 1651 01:23:15,164 --> 01:23:16,265 Let's not forget, 1652 01:23:16,297 --> 01:23:17,674 this is also about population control. 1653 01:23:17,698 --> 01:23:19,667 This is about women's rights. 1654 01:23:20,969 --> 01:23:23,638 You're still in love with Margaret sanger! 1655 01:23:23,671 --> 01:23:24,973 What are you talking about? 1656 01:23:25,007 --> 01:23:28,476 She opposed abortion. I read her autobiography. 1657 01:23:28,509 --> 01:23:30,879 Oh, the founder of planned parenthood opposed abortion? 1658 01:23:30,913 --> 01:23:32,446 She'd be for it today. 1659 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:35,316 She said it was a disgrace to our civilization. 1660 01:23:35,349 --> 01:23:37,628 Quote, "there should be no killing of babies in the womb," 1661 01:23:37,652 --> 01:23:39,353 end quote. 1662 01:23:39,387 --> 01:23:40,856 I founded this movement. 1663 01:23:40,889 --> 01:23:42,557 - This is about you? - Yeah! 1664 01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:45,027 This is about the state of Larry lader? 1665 01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:47,029 Look around you. 1666 01:23:47,062 --> 01:23:49,965 Who do you think is winning your dirty little secret war? 1667 01:23:49,998 --> 01:23:53,235 I am looking. Look what I've created. 1668 01:23:53,268 --> 01:23:54,545 Planned parenthood and half the doctors 1669 01:23:54,569 --> 01:23:56,004 pay you referral fees. 1670 01:23:56,038 --> 01:23:58,874 And you have the women of the world to thank for that! 1671 01:24:00,175 --> 01:24:02,015 And how much you getting from your clinic, doc? 1672 01:24:04,612 --> 01:24:05,881 Equality! 1673 01:24:17,125 --> 01:24:18,325 You haven't touched your food. 1674 01:24:19,627 --> 01:24:20,627 Hm? 1675 01:24:22,030 --> 01:24:26,734 Oh, I'm sorry. It's this damn case. 1676 01:24:26,767 --> 01:24:28,937 Well, which way are you leaning towards, dad? 1677 01:24:28,971 --> 01:24:31,240 I'm not gonna get into any of that. 1678 01:24:31,273 --> 01:24:32,573 Good try. 1679 01:24:32,607 --> 01:24:34,442 Sally's volunteering at planned parenthood. 1680 01:24:34,475 --> 01:24:36,345 Stop changing the subject. 1681 01:24:36,377 --> 01:24:39,281 Oh, planned parenthood, that's- that's great, sweetheart. 1682 01:24:39,314 --> 01:24:41,016 Now, that's the second justice 1683 01:24:41,049 --> 01:24:44,086 with a family member working for planned parenthood. 1684 01:24:44,119 --> 01:24:47,890 First Stewart's wife, and now blackmun's daughter. 1685 01:24:47,923 --> 01:24:49,057 Hm. 1686 01:24:49,091 --> 01:24:50,959 You know, it's not only about abortion. 1687 01:24:52,127 --> 01:24:53,295 Did you see 20,000 women 1688 01:24:53,328 --> 01:24:55,063 marching for equality in New York? 1689 01:24:56,564 --> 01:24:58,367 Twenty thousand, is that right? 1690 01:24:58,399 --> 01:25:00,269 It's about time we had our own rights. 1691 01:25:03,338 --> 01:25:06,041 Do you want your daughter to be able to become justice one day? 1692 01:25:06,074 --> 01:25:07,175 Why... 1693 01:25:08,643 --> 01:25:10,544 So you're saying 1694 01:25:10,578 --> 01:25:13,949 if I vote the other way, I'm voting against women? 1695 01:25:13,982 --> 01:25:16,550 Yes, you are. 1696 01:25:16,584 --> 01:25:19,754 Just listen to her, dad. Come on, it's important. 1697 01:25:19,787 --> 01:25:21,156 I'm with the girls. 1698 01:25:23,825 --> 01:25:25,193 Make us proud, Harry. 1699 01:25:34,468 --> 01:25:35,603 I know why you gave me this 1700 01:25:35,636 --> 01:25:37,973 but you should've let Douglas write it. 1701 01:25:38,006 --> 01:25:40,675 After my vote hit the media, 1702 01:25:40,708 --> 01:25:43,312 my family almost fell apart over it. 1703 01:25:43,345 --> 01:25:45,579 So, you might be changing your vote 1704 01:25:45,613 --> 01:25:48,549 because your family found out? Or was it the media? 1705 01:25:52,054 --> 01:25:53,054 Warren. 1706 01:25:57,192 --> 01:25:59,460 You wanted to talk. 1707 01:25:59,493 --> 01:26:00,494 Yes, I did. 1708 01:26:01,729 --> 01:26:03,531 I wanna see where you stand, Harry. 1709 01:26:03,564 --> 01:26:06,268 I'm hoping we're on the same page. 1710 01:26:06,301 --> 01:26:07,768 Byron, I don't know what page I'm on. 1711 01:26:07,802 --> 01:26:10,172 I'm not even sure we're reading from the same book. 1712 01:26:10,205 --> 01:26:13,875 I just-I'm trying to vote along the lines of the constitution. 1713 01:26:13,909 --> 01:26:16,011 Does the bill of rights allow a woman 1714 01:26:16,044 --> 01:26:18,347 to kill her unborn child? 1715 01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:19,680 It's a very simple question. 1716 01:26:19,714 --> 01:26:21,049 No, it's not a simple question. 1717 01:26:21,083 --> 01:26:24,219 The question is, when does a fetus become a life? 1718 01:26:24,252 --> 01:26:26,455 At the point of conception, Harry. When else? 1719 01:26:26,487 --> 01:26:29,458 Well, that hasn't been determined yet, has it? 1720 01:26:29,490 --> 01:26:32,828 And if it had, we wouldn't be having this conflict 1721 01:26:32,861 --> 01:26:34,229 in our conversation. 1722 01:26:34,262 --> 01:26:36,207 Sure, bill. Why don't you just sit down and join us. 1723 01:26:36,231 --> 01:26:38,566 What we need to discuss is the right to privacy. 1724 01:26:38,599 --> 01:26:40,202 What? 1725 01:26:40,235 --> 01:26:42,237 Listen, our job is to interpret the constitution. 1726 01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:44,039 Our job is not to create law. 1727 01:26:44,072 --> 01:26:46,475 If you wanna make a new law, you take it up with congress. 1728 01:26:46,507 --> 01:26:49,011 We already ruled on that. Griswold v. Connecticut. 1729 01:26:49,044 --> 01:26:50,412 - Unrelated. - Absolutely. 1730 01:26:50,445 --> 01:26:51,980 - Unrelated. - Absolutely. 1731 01:26:52,014 --> 01:26:53,248 He-he's right. 1732 01:26:53,281 --> 01:26:55,350 Right to privacy between a patient and a doctor. 1733 01:26:56,885 --> 01:27:00,022 At minimum, Byron, it's something I think 1734 01:27:00,055 --> 01:27:02,590 we should at least consider. 1735 01:27:02,623 --> 01:27:04,826 You take this into consideration, Harry, 1736 01:27:04,860 --> 01:27:07,929 you take the risk of embarrassing this court 1737 01:27:07,963 --> 01:27:09,563 and putting it to a level it has not been 1738 01:27:09,597 --> 01:27:11,242 - since the dred Scott decision. - Oh, come on. 1739 01:27:11,266 --> 01:27:13,435 Come on, bill. So, you wanna enslave women 1740 01:27:13,468 --> 01:27:14,846 by denying them their right to privacy. 1741 01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:15,937 Is that it, Byron? 1742 01:27:15,971 --> 01:27:16,938 That is not what I said. 1743 01:27:16,972 --> 01:27:18,249 Well, that's what you're implying. 1744 01:27:18,273 --> 01:27:19,450 No, it is not what I'm implying. 1745 01:27:19,474 --> 01:27:21,443 Wait, guys, guys. Stop being so dramatic. 1746 01:27:21,476 --> 01:27:24,012 And you, you're starting to sound like one of Nixon's boys. 1747 01:27:24,046 --> 01:27:26,747 Don't forget it was jfk that appointed you. 1748 01:27:26,781 --> 01:27:27,959 Yes, and it was Kennedy that thought 1749 01:27:27,983 --> 01:27:30,919 abortion was repugnant to all Americans. 1750 01:27:37,959 --> 01:27:39,227 Here we go again, boys. 1751 01:27:47,768 --> 01:27:49,804 Certainly, we cannot say that there is 1752 01:27:49,838 --> 01:27:55,077 in the constitution so stated the right to an abortion. 1753 01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:57,879 But neither is there stated the right to travel 1754 01:27:57,913 --> 01:28:01,216 or some other basic rights that this court has held 1755 01:28:01,249 --> 01:28:04,585 are under the United States constitution. 1756 01:28:04,618 --> 01:28:06,497 I suppose that one of the most important factors 1757 01:28:06,521 --> 01:28:09,291 to consider is, what rights, if any, 1758 01:28:09,324 --> 01:28:11,226 does the unborn fetus have. 1759 01:28:11,259 --> 01:28:12,461 That is correct. 1760 01:28:12,494 --> 01:28:13,661 I have a question. 1761 01:28:13,694 --> 01:28:15,964 Is it critical to your case that the fetus 1762 01:28:15,997 --> 01:28:20,001 not be considered a person under the due process clause? 1763 01:28:20,035 --> 01:28:21,602 It seems to me that it is critical 1764 01:28:21,635 --> 01:28:24,806 that we prove that this is a fundamental interest 1765 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,740 on behalf of women. 1766 01:28:26,774 --> 01:28:29,478 That it is a constitutional right, second... 1767 01:28:29,511 --> 01:28:34,615 Well, would you lose your case if the fetus were a person? 1768 01:28:34,648 --> 01:28:36,650 Then you would have a balancing of interests. 1769 01:28:38,453 --> 01:28:39,955 You're already going to be balancing 1770 01:28:39,988 --> 01:28:41,789 the interest of the mother 1771 01:28:41,823 --> 01:28:44,692 against the interest of the fetus. 1772 01:28:44,725 --> 01:28:46,428 That is correct, your honor. 1773 01:28:46,461 --> 01:28:48,597 If it were established that the unborn fetus 1774 01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:50,664 is protected under the constitution, 1775 01:28:50,698 --> 01:28:53,168 you would have an impossible case, Mrs. Weddington. 1776 01:28:54,970 --> 01:28:57,339 I would have a very difficult case. 1777 01:29:01,009 --> 01:29:02,310 It's impossible for me to trace, 1778 01:29:02,344 --> 01:29:03,845 within my allocated time, 1779 01:29:03,879 --> 01:29:08,016 the development of a fetus from the date of its conception 1780 01:29:08,049 --> 01:29:09,683 to the date of its birth. 1781 01:29:09,717 --> 01:29:11,719 But it's the position of the state of Texas 1782 01:29:11,752 --> 01:29:13,155 that upon conception, 1783 01:29:13,188 --> 01:29:16,558 we have a human being. 1784 01:29:16,591 --> 01:29:19,161 A person with the concept 1785 01:29:19,194 --> 01:29:21,729 of the constitution of the United States 1786 01:29:21,762 --> 01:29:23,697 and that of Texas as well. 1787 01:29:23,731 --> 01:29:27,202 Any person born or naturalized in the United States hasn't. 1788 01:29:28,669 --> 01:29:31,739 No, that's not the definition of a person, 1789 01:29:31,772 --> 01:29:33,341 that's the definition of a citizen. 1790 01:29:33,375 --> 01:29:34,409 It's so fundamental 1791 01:29:34,442 --> 01:29:36,077 that the framers of the constitution 1792 01:29:36,111 --> 01:29:39,147 had not even set out to define it. 1793 01:29:39,181 --> 01:29:43,318 And even blackstone was quoted in 1765, 1794 01:29:43,351 --> 01:29:46,655 "this right is inherent in every individual 1795 01:29:46,687 --> 01:29:50,258 and exists even before the child is born." 1796 01:29:50,292 --> 01:29:52,726 Is it not true 1797 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,932 or is it that the, medical profession itself 1798 01:29:56,965 --> 01:30:00,268 is not in agreement as to when life begins? 1799 01:30:00,302 --> 01:30:03,371 Medically speaking, we would say that from the chromosomes, 1800 01:30:03,405 --> 01:30:06,208 every potential of anybody here in this room 1801 01:30:06,241 --> 01:30:08,709 is present at the moment of conception. 1802 01:30:08,742 --> 01:30:12,380 Right. So, what you're speaking about is a potential life. 1803 01:30:12,414 --> 01:30:13,582 Yes, sir. 1804 01:30:13,615 --> 01:30:16,851 With which everyone can agree on. 1805 01:30:16,885 --> 01:30:17,885 Just one moment. 1806 01:30:19,988 --> 01:30:24,859 If you're correct that the fetus is a person, 1807 01:30:24,893 --> 01:30:27,963 then I suppose the state would have a great trouble 1808 01:30:27,996 --> 01:30:30,966 permitting an abortion, wouldn't it? 1809 01:30:30,999 --> 01:30:34,903 This court has been diligent 1810 01:30:34,936 --> 01:30:39,374 in protecting the rights of minorities. 1811 01:30:39,407 --> 01:30:47,407 And gentlemen, we say this is a minority, 1812 01:30:49,818 --> 01:30:51,453 a silent minority, 1813 01:30:54,022 --> 01:30:58,593 the true silent minority. 1814 01:31:03,198 --> 01:31:05,533 Who is speaking for these children? 1815 01:31:08,536 --> 01:31:12,374 Who is counsel for these children? 1816 01:31:14,376 --> 01:31:16,845 These unborn children, 1817 01:31:20,382 --> 01:31:23,351 whose lives are being taken. 1818 01:31:27,689 --> 01:31:29,557 Where is the safeguard 1819 01:31:31,693 --> 01:31:34,863 of a trial by jury? 1820 01:31:40,201 --> 01:31:42,103 For roe? 1821 01:31:42,137 --> 01:31:44,839 From the CBS news headquarters in New York, 1822 01:31:44,873 --> 01:31:47,208 this is the CBS evening news 1823 01:31:47,242 --> 01:31:50,712 with Walter cronkite and Eric sevareid in New York, 1824 01:31:50,745 --> 01:31:52,647 George hermann in Washington, 1825 01:31:52,681 --> 01:31:56,518 Leslie stahl in Washington, Fred p. Graham in Atlanta, 1826 01:31:56,551 --> 01:32:00,188 Peter calisher in Paris, Tom fenton in Paris, 1827 01:32:00,221 --> 01:32:02,357 Robert schakne in des moines. 1828 01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:05,860 And tonight, a CBS evening news special report, 1829 01:32:05,894 --> 01:32:07,729 "the energy crisis." 1830 01:32:27,415 --> 01:32:28,316 Good evening. 1831 01:32:28,350 --> 01:32:29,651 In a landmark ruling, 1832 01:32:29,684 --> 01:32:33,188 the supreme court today legalized abortions. 1833 01:32:33,221 --> 01:32:35,323 The majority in cases for Texas and Georgia 1834 01:32:35,357 --> 01:32:37,726 said that the decision to end a pregnancy 1835 01:32:37,759 --> 01:32:40,495 during the first three months belongs to the woman 1836 01:32:40,528 --> 01:32:42,464 and her doctor, not the government. 1837 01:32:51,606 --> 01:32:54,909 The roe decision allows a woman to have an abortion at any time, 1838 01:32:54,943 --> 01:32:56,945 not just the first three months. 1839 01:32:56,978 --> 01:32:58,498 Cronkite and the media lied about that. 1840 01:33:00,482 --> 01:33:03,284 But they said it doesn't have the same rights as a person. 1841 01:33:03,318 --> 01:33:05,687 Let me ask you, if you found out today 1842 01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,089 that you were pregnant and I killed you, 1843 01:33:08,123 --> 01:33:10,558 should I go to jail for murdering one person or two? 1844 01:33:11,926 --> 01:33:12,961 Uh... 1845 01:33:14,596 --> 01:33:18,066 Most states would consider it a double homicide, 1846 01:33:18,099 --> 01:33:20,735 hence considering the unborn a person. 1847 01:33:22,303 --> 01:33:25,306 With that logic, why isn't abortion considered homicide? 1848 01:33:25,340 --> 01:33:27,375 The supreme court allowed the Sierra club 1849 01:33:27,409 --> 01:33:28,811 to sue the Walt Disney mineral park 1850 01:33:28,844 --> 01:33:31,079 on behalf of inanimate objects. 1851 01:33:31,112 --> 01:33:33,248 Justice Douglas argued 1852 01:33:33,281 --> 01:33:35,750 that trees should be granted personhood, 1853 01:33:35,784 --> 01:33:38,987 that rivers, lakes, and even pupfish have rights. 1854 01:33:43,091 --> 01:33:44,836 Somebody read me the constitutional amendment 1855 01:33:44,860 --> 01:33:47,830 that states that we have the right to kill an unborn child. 1856 01:33:47,863 --> 01:33:48,963 Sir, 1857 01:33:48,997 --> 01:33:51,366 it was just voted seven to two. 1858 01:33:52,934 --> 01:33:54,478 The justices replaced the framers' choices 1859 01:33:54,502 --> 01:33:56,471 for personal predilections. 1860 01:33:58,039 --> 01:34:00,008 But we have a right to privacy. 1861 01:34:01,476 --> 01:34:02,653 Where in the constitution does it state 1862 01:34:02,677 --> 01:34:03,677 that we have that right? 1863 01:34:08,216 --> 01:34:10,618 It doesn't, and even if we did, 1864 01:34:10,652 --> 01:34:12,654 privacy is not an absolute right, 1865 01:34:12,687 --> 01:34:15,690 so it can always be governed by other rights. 1866 01:34:15,723 --> 01:34:19,294 But the right to choose is more important than a fetus. 1867 01:34:19,327 --> 01:34:21,095 Why would you say that? 1868 01:34:21,129 --> 01:34:23,364 A fetus is not a person, and I am. 1869 01:34:26,401 --> 01:34:27,969 So, what does a fetus become? 1870 01:34:32,073 --> 01:34:34,342 A fetus has the DNA of a person. 1871 01:34:34,375 --> 01:34:36,010 It's created by people. 1872 01:34:36,044 --> 01:34:40,482 Left to nature, that fetus becomes a person. 1873 01:34:42,083 --> 01:34:43,886 Dr. Taylor, call the operator, please. 1874 01:34:43,919 --> 01:34:45,855 Dr. Taylor, call the operator. 1875 01:34:47,422 --> 01:34:48,756 Dr. Nathanson? 1876 01:34:50,325 --> 01:34:51,659 I'm sorry. Can I help you? 1877 01:34:51,693 --> 01:34:53,661 A butchery. 1878 01:34:53,695 --> 01:34:55,697 Excuse me? 1879 01:34:55,730 --> 01:34:59,000 You know that even a safe abortion 1880 01:34:59,033 --> 01:35:01,703 can make a woman sterile. 1881 01:35:01,736 --> 01:35:02,905 Mildred Jefferson, right? 1882 01:35:02,938 --> 01:35:05,673 Dr. Mildred Jefferson. 1883 01:35:05,707 --> 01:35:07,242 Are you lost? 1884 01:35:07,275 --> 01:35:08,309 Yes. 1885 01:35:08,343 --> 01:35:11,179 Yes. Actually, I am. Very. 1886 01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,416 How do you do what you do, and live in good conscience? 1887 01:35:15,450 --> 01:35:16,551 I have given abortions 1888 01:35:16,584 --> 01:35:17,920 to my friends, 1889 01:35:17,953 --> 01:35:20,421 my colleagues, even my teachers. 1890 01:35:20,455 --> 01:35:22,423 I've never had a shred of self-doubt. 1891 01:35:22,457 --> 01:35:24,559 And I've never wavered. 1892 01:35:24,592 --> 01:35:26,561 So, you feel nothing? 1893 01:35:26,594 --> 01:35:30,532 Just a sense of accomplishment and pride of expertise. 1894 01:35:30,565 --> 01:35:31,901 You see. 1895 01:35:33,635 --> 01:35:38,506 When my girlfriend got pregnant and I couldn't afford to have 1896 01:35:38,540 --> 01:35:42,577 a child, I not only demanded 1897 01:35:42,610 --> 01:35:46,916 that she terminate the pregnancy but I also informed her, 1898 01:35:46,949 --> 01:35:50,351 since I was the most skilled practitioner of the art, 1899 01:35:50,385 --> 01:35:53,254 I myself would do the abortion. 1900 01:35:53,288 --> 01:35:54,756 And I did. 1901 01:35:58,426 --> 01:36:00,161 Are you sure you wanna do this? 1902 01:36:07,802 --> 01:36:08,971 Doctor... 1903 01:36:09,004 --> 01:36:11,472 If you don't wanna be here, you can leave. 1904 01:36:34,128 --> 01:36:35,831 On your own child? 1905 01:36:48,176 --> 01:36:49,845 I mean, why do you give life 1906 01:36:49,878 --> 01:36:52,580 to those with no future? 1907 01:36:52,614 --> 01:36:56,117 Aren't you tired of creating new souls 1908 01:36:56,150 --> 01:36:58,954 that end up with no purpose? 1909 01:36:58,988 --> 01:37:01,991 I mean, you must be bored, right? 1910 01:37:02,024 --> 01:37:02,992 Or are you just like 1911 01:37:03,025 --> 01:37:04,192 playing games? 1912 01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,161 I've killed babies 1913 01:37:07,195 --> 01:37:09,497 for the greater good. 1914 01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:12,868 I've killed babies in the name of saving women. 1915 01:37:14,702 --> 01:37:18,206 And I've killed babies because they were unwanted. 1916 01:37:19,474 --> 01:37:20,809 You're a liar! 1917 01:37:20,843 --> 01:37:23,511 You did this, you led me down this path. 1918 01:37:23,544 --> 01:37:24,847 You didn't want them. 1919 01:37:26,015 --> 01:37:27,248 That's the truth. 1920 01:37:29,985 --> 01:37:31,386 Because you wanna know why? 1921 01:37:31,419 --> 01:37:34,422 I'm not the one who's supposed to be perfect, you are. 1922 01:37:36,524 --> 01:37:41,796 But I have done my best. I have worked my hardest. 1923 01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:44,265 I have served humanity. You've watched me. 1924 01:37:45,366 --> 01:37:46,367 Hm? 1925 01:37:50,438 --> 01:37:52,540 Maybe you're just willing but not able. 1926 01:37:54,877 --> 01:37:56,945 And so you're just not omnipotent. 1927 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,084 Or, are you able and not willing and malevolent? 1928 01:38:04,953 --> 01:38:07,388 I don't think it's either. 1929 01:38:07,422 --> 01:38:13,461 The truth is, you are neither willing nor able. 1930 01:38:14,762 --> 01:38:16,597 So, why do I need to call you god? 1931 01:38:28,443 --> 01:38:30,913 Have you seen these new high-tech ultrasounds? 1932 01:38:30,946 --> 01:38:32,413 In the '70s before roe, 1933 01:38:32,447 --> 01:38:34,749 no one had this technology. 1934 01:38:34,782 --> 01:38:37,585 Not I, not the courts. 1935 01:38:37,618 --> 01:38:41,456 This would change everything, especially for me. 1936 01:38:41,489 --> 01:38:43,926 No, but I hear the new imaging is great. 1937 01:38:43,959 --> 01:38:45,793 You know what, it helps a lot with accuracy. 1938 01:38:45,828 --> 01:38:47,129 Let's go try it out. 1939 01:39:25,834 --> 01:39:27,102 Are you okay? 1940 01:39:37,612 --> 01:39:39,313 It is a person. 1941 01:39:42,151 --> 01:39:44,119 It's a person. 1942 01:39:49,624 --> 01:39:52,961 God, forgive me. What have I done? 1943 01:39:54,495 --> 01:39:57,331 I-I'm so sorry, god. 1944 01:39:57,365 --> 01:39:59,333 I'm so sorry. 1945 01:39:59,367 --> 01:40:02,204 Please, I want her back. 1946 01:40:04,907 --> 01:40:07,209 I killed my own daughter. 1947 01:40:23,324 --> 01:40:25,961 Doctor. Phil mccombs, Washington post. 1948 01:40:25,994 --> 01:40:26,962 Thank you. Good to see you. 1949 01:40:26,995 --> 01:40:28,195 Thank you for taking the time. 1950 01:40:37,940 --> 01:40:41,709 So, when you take them out, you don't see anything? 1951 01:40:44,246 --> 01:40:45,580 No, you don't see anything. 1952 01:40:47,381 --> 01:40:48,817 I-i-i mean, 1953 01:40:48,851 --> 01:40:51,352 of all the thousands of second trimester abortions 1954 01:40:51,385 --> 01:40:53,688 that I've done, I mean, maybe I've seen 1955 01:40:53,721 --> 01:40:55,690 half a dozen. 1956 01:40:55,723 --> 01:40:58,026 But didn't it bother you when you did? 1957 01:40:58,060 --> 01:41:00,361 No, not particularly. It was the end product, 1958 01:41:00,394 --> 01:41:02,563 a lifeless limp thing lying there. 1959 01:41:02,597 --> 01:41:05,399 They have a human form. 1960 01:41:05,433 --> 01:41:06,869 Oh, absolutely. 1961 01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:14,142 I-I-I'm sorry. I'm a little bit confused. 1962 01:41:17,778 --> 01:41:21,616 First you said, "all you see is bloody meat." 1963 01:41:21,649 --> 01:41:23,784 Hm-mm. 1964 01:41:23,819 --> 01:41:28,023 But now you're saying you always knew it was a person. 1965 01:41:28,056 --> 01:41:29,056 So doctor, 1966 01:41:31,459 --> 01:41:32,593 which one is it? 1967 01:41:58,419 --> 01:41:59,453 I knew all along. 1968 01:42:02,257 --> 01:42:03,791 Life exists at conception. 1969 01:42:06,094 --> 01:42:09,331 I mean, I'd taken part in over 70,000 abortions. 1970 01:42:09,364 --> 01:42:12,401 I'd seen other sonograms. 1971 01:42:12,433 --> 01:42:15,770 I knew in my heart what I was doing was wrong. 1972 01:42:15,803 --> 01:42:16,972 And I lied. 1973 01:42:20,142 --> 01:42:22,244 I lied to the world. I lied to god. 1974 01:42:22,277 --> 01:42:24,712 More importantly. I lied to me. 1975 01:42:26,848 --> 01:42:28,350 But I kept on killing. 1976 01:42:29,985 --> 01:42:32,154 Until I had the courage to face the reality 1977 01:42:32,187 --> 01:42:34,156 of the absolute horror of what I was doing. 1978 01:42:39,394 --> 01:42:41,129 I had been an atheist, 1979 01:42:41,163 --> 01:42:44,665 so my opinions on abortion were not influenced by religion. 1980 01:42:44,699 --> 01:42:48,236 And when life gave me more than I could stand, I chose to kneel. 1981 01:43:35,951 --> 01:43:39,888 ♪ There's a fortune in abortion ♪ 1982 01:43:39,921 --> 01:43:43,325 ♪ Just a twist of the wrist and you're through ♪ 1983 01:43:43,358 --> 01:43:44,426 Oooh! 1984 01:43:44,459 --> 01:43:48,562 ♪ The population of the nation ♪ 1985 01:43:48,596 --> 01:43:52,334 ♪ Won't grow if it's left up to you ♪ 1986 01:43:52,367 --> 01:43:56,872 ♪ There's a fortune in abortion ♪ 1987 01:43:56,905 --> 01:44:00,942 ♪ There's a gold mine in the sex line ♪ 1988 01:44:00,976 --> 01:44:05,713 ♪ Only rabbits have those habits ♪ 1989 01:44:05,746 --> 01:44:10,452 ♪ Oh, there's a fortune in abortion ♪ 1990 01:44:10,485 --> 01:44:15,589 ♪ You never bother the future father ♪ 1991 01:44:15,623 --> 01:44:20,362 The mass of negroes, particularly in the south, 1992 01:44:20,395 --> 01:44:24,966 still breed carelessly and disastrously. 1993 01:44:27,135 --> 01:44:30,906 The result that the increase among negroes, 1994 01:44:30,939 --> 01:44:33,308 more than among whites, 1995 01:44:33,341 --> 01:44:36,111 is that portion of the population 1996 01:44:36,144 --> 01:44:39,514 least intelligent and fit. 1997 01:44:41,016 --> 01:44:42,226 In our country, there's been one group 1998 01:44:42,250 --> 01:44:44,886 associated with reactionary politics, 1999 01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:48,390 behind-the-scenes manipulations, and backward ideas. 2000 01:44:48,423 --> 01:44:49,790 Wait, not the catholics again? 2001 01:44:49,825 --> 01:44:51,460 Of course, the catholics. 2002 01:44:51,493 --> 01:44:53,228 Catholic and fundamentalist churches 2003 01:44:53,261 --> 01:44:55,430 have constantly violated the law. 2004 01:44:55,464 --> 01:44:59,901 Violations which breach the wall separating the church and state. 2005 01:44:59,935 --> 01:45:01,903 The justices cited Larry's book 2006 01:45:01,937 --> 01:45:06,007 seven times in their decision, citing no other legal historian. 2007 01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:11,813 Jane roe became known to the world as Norma mccorvey. 2008 01:45:11,847 --> 01:45:13,925 And when she learned the truth that having an abortion 2009 01:45:13,949 --> 01:45:16,784 was killing a baby and not passing a period 2010 01:45:16,818 --> 01:45:21,957 or removing a bunch of cells, she became pro-life. 2011 01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:26,194 See, the truth is, she herself never even had an abortion. 2012 01:45:27,695 --> 01:45:29,498 They lied to me. 2013 01:45:29,531 --> 01:45:32,834 I didn't go to the supreme court for a bunch of women. 2014 01:45:32,868 --> 01:45:35,669 Who lied to you? 2015 01:45:35,703 --> 01:45:37,638 Sarah weddington. 2016 01:45:37,671 --> 01:45:39,975 I asked her if she knew where to get an abortion 2017 01:45:40,008 --> 01:45:42,611 and she and Linda told me that they didn't. 2018 01:45:42,643 --> 01:45:44,678 She knew where. 2019 01:45:44,712 --> 01:45:47,315 Could you elaborate? 2020 01:45:47,349 --> 01:45:49,851 Sarah had an abortion in Mexico. 2021 01:45:49,885 --> 01:45:53,221 They were just looking for somebody to use. 2022 01:45:53,255 --> 01:45:54,923 Do you feel what you did was wrong? 2023 01:46:00,028 --> 01:46:01,705 You never had an abortion, did you? I mean... 2024 01:46:01,729 --> 01:46:03,865 No. No, sir. I never had an abortion. 2025 01:46:03,899 --> 01:46:05,333 You carried your child to full term. 2026 01:46:05,367 --> 01:46:06,700 Yes, sir, I did. 2027 01:46:06,734 --> 01:46:08,203 You wanted an abortion. 2028 01:46:08,236 --> 01:46:09,838 Yes, sir, I did. 2029 01:46:09,871 --> 01:46:11,805 And in a sense, you were angry at one point 2030 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,409 at Sarah weddington for not letting you get one 2031 01:46:14,442 --> 01:46:16,677 because it didn't suit their purposes at that time. 2032 01:46:16,710 --> 01:46:18,813 They needed you to be pregnant, right? 2033 01:46:18,847 --> 01:46:20,748 They needed their plaintiff to be pregnant, 2034 01:46:20,781 --> 01:46:22,350 it is exactly right. 2035 01:46:22,384 --> 01:46:25,686 But see, what really was the tell-in of the whole schmeil 2036 01:46:25,719 --> 01:46:28,423 was the fact that when Sarah weddington came out 2037 01:46:28,456 --> 01:46:31,993 with her book, I don't know, two or three years ago, 2038 01:46:32,027 --> 01:46:34,429 she told in her book that she had an abortion 2039 01:46:34,462 --> 01:46:36,730 and she went to Mexico. 2040 01:46:36,764 --> 01:46:39,668 And when I sat across that table at Colombo's pizza 2041 01:46:39,700 --> 01:46:42,504 here in Dallas, Texas and I asked her, 2042 01:46:42,537 --> 01:46:44,039 "I said," Sarah, do you know 2043 01:46:44,072 --> 01:46:46,041 where I can go and get an abortion?" 2044 01:46:46,074 --> 01:46:50,278 And she said, "no." Well, she lied to me. 2045 01:46:50,312 --> 01:46:51,745 Some justices 2046 01:46:51,779 --> 01:46:53,348 were leaking to the press. 2047 01:46:53,381 --> 01:46:55,716 Some had family members working for planned parenthood. 2048 01:46:55,749 --> 01:46:57,686 Burger and other justices then changed their vote 2049 01:46:57,718 --> 01:47:00,822 because of public outcry and family pressure. 2050 01:47:03,558 --> 01:47:05,260 Dr. Mildred Jefferson became the president 2051 01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:07,028 of national right to life, 2052 01:47:07,062 --> 01:47:08,964 and an influence on President Reagan 2053 01:47:08,997 --> 01:47:10,265 becoming pro-life. 2054 01:47:11,967 --> 01:47:14,269 I produced a documentary called the silent scream 2055 01:47:14,302 --> 01:47:17,738 where 18 days before you even miss your period 2056 01:47:17,771 --> 01:47:21,876 and realize you're pregnant, there is a heartbeat. 2057 01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:25,247 At ten weeks, when you go to abort your baby, 2058 01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,483 she will actually feel the pain of having her limbs torn off. 2059 01:47:28,516 --> 01:47:31,586 This is the silent scream 2060 01:47:31,620 --> 01:47:35,690 of a child threatened imminently with extinction. 2061 01:47:51,673 --> 01:47:54,242 ♪ I put my hope and trust ♪ 2062 01:47:54,276 --> 01:47:57,746 ♪ in things that would not hold ♪ 2063 01:47:57,778 --> 01:48:02,617 ♪ I built my house upon the sinking sand ♪ 2064 01:48:05,287 --> 01:48:11,159 ♪ and everything I thought I had under control ♪ 2065 01:48:11,192 --> 01:48:15,630 ♪ failed to satisfy and slipped right through my hands ♪ 2066 01:48:18,300 --> 01:48:22,704 ♪ there's an aching in my bones ♪ 2067 01:48:24,973 --> 01:48:29,678 ♪ but I know I'm not alone ♪ 2068 01:48:31,646 --> 01:48:36,051 ♪ I can't do this on my own ♪ 2069 01:48:38,553 --> 01:48:44,592 ♪ so I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2070 01:48:56,705 --> 01:49:02,877 ♪ I thought my only worth was in what I could do ♪ 2071 01:49:02,911 --> 01:49:07,415 ♪ I tried to earn the love I don't deserve ♪ 2072 01:49:10,352 --> 01:49:16,257 ♪ I settled for the lie that it was not enough ♪ 2073 01:49:16,291 --> 01:49:21,029 ♪ to receive the gift of grace you freely give ♪ 2074 01:49:22,897 --> 01:49:29,270 ♪ oh there's an aching in my soul ♪ 2075 01:49:29,304 --> 01:49:36,077 ♪ but I know I'm not alone ♪ 2076 01:49:36,111 --> 01:49:41,416 ♪ no I can't do this on my own ♪ 2077 01:49:43,618 --> 01:49:50,392 ♪ so I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2078 01:49:50,425 --> 01:49:58,425 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2079 01:50:23,826 --> 01:50:28,596 ♪ When everything is broken ♪ 2080 01:50:30,598 --> 01:50:35,703 ♪ heaven's eyes are open ♪ 2081 01:50:37,672 --> 01:50:45,672 ♪ I can see the storm clouds lift away ♪ 2082 01:50:51,152 --> 01:50:56,558 ♪ When everything seems hopeless ♪ 2083 01:50:57,893 --> 01:51:03,331 ♪ your word will be my compass ♪ 2084 01:51:04,834 --> 01:51:12,834 ♪ I'm standing in the promise you have made ♪ 2085 01:51:19,915 --> 01:51:26,621 ♪ So I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2086 01:51:26,654 --> 01:51:33,361 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2087 01:51:33,394 --> 01:51:40,301 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪ 2088 01:51:40,335 --> 01:51:48,335 ♪ I will stand I will stand in your love ♪♪ 158264

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