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Welcome to an all new episode
of "Hart to Heart."

I, of course, am your host,
Kevin Hart.

And it's never about me.
Always about our guests.

And today's guest is
an amazing one.

My guy Bryan Cranston
is on the show.

Actor, director, producer,
screenwriter, author,

"New York Times" bestseller--

autobiography called
"A Life in Parts."

Man's got 15 Emmy nominations,

six Emmys,
uh, for "Breaking Bad."

I mean, look,
I can go on and on.

Why should I?

Because, guys, we get to talk,
and we get to have a good time.

-Please welcome Bryan Cranston,
ladies and gentlemen. -Wow.

Bryan Cranston.
Come on, Bryan.

-This is amazing.
-Huh? Do you like this?

-This is amazing.
-Do you like this right here?

How are you, brother?
It's so good to see you.

-How are you, man?
You look great. -Thank you.

-You look really good, man.
I like the suit. -Oh, thank you.

-Yeah. No, I'm serious.
You look good. -Thank you.

-Thank you.
-I'm surprised.

Wh-Why are you surprised?

'Cause normally you don't.

Oh, remember the thing?

-The-the...
The thing with the... -The thing. The thing.

I'm joking, man.
There is no thing.

All right, so, Bryan, here's the
thing. This is my-my talk show.

-Nice.
-Some of the best conversations

happen over a glass of wine,
which is why

we are here in, like,
my wine cellar.

-In your wine cellar?
-Yeah.

And I got a sommelier,
and he's here.

-This is my guy. Right? Right?
-Wha...?

-Gentlemen.
-How are you, man?

Very good.
How about you, Kevin?

I'm good. I'm good.
Uh, this is DLynn.

-Hi, DLynn. How are you?
-DLynn. Pleasure.

He's my sommelier.

-Your own sommelier?
-Yeah, he's my somm...

-Wow.
-My sommelier.

-Did you just learn that word?
-Yup.

I just learned it
right before...

right before we started.

Uh, yes, man.

Uh, Bryan, is this okay
with you? It's a red.

Uh... 2019.

-I...
-Yeah. Come on, Bryan.

-Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
-Yes, please.

-Please. Thank you, man.
-Yeah. Beautiful.

I'm serious what I said,
though, about some

of the best conversations
happening over a glass of wine.

If you notice,
or if you haven't noticed,

when you drink wine,
you get very talkative, right?

Stuff just starts to flow.

Before you know it,
you look at the time,

you're like, "Oh, my God.
I can't believe

I was talking
for three hours straight."

-Yeah.
-And it wasn't just you.

It was the wine.
The wine activated it.

-Beautiful.
-That's perfect. Thank you. I'll take

-a little more.
Just a little more. -Absolutely.

-BRYAN: Wow.
-Not that I have a problem.

-I just want a little m...
That's perfect for me. -BRYAN: Mm.

-Thank you, man. Appreciate you.
-Very welcome.

-Cheers. Cheers, man.
-Smells good. Cheers.

-Cheers to you. Good to see you.
-Thank you so much. I-I...

I genuinely
appreciate you doing this.

-I'm honored.
-Here's what I want to say to you.

I had the pleasure
of working with you, right?

We did our movie together,

and, dude,
I was so blown away

by the level of professional

that you were, right?

Like, a great actor--

I knew that.
I knew that going in.

But you don't know...
you don't know where

a person's professionalism
is gonna be.

You don't know, you know,
if they're personable on set.

Do you like to be alone?
Are you, uh,

a person that's, like,
approachable? Not approachable?

There's so many things
when you're dealing

-with actors or actresses
in this business. -Right.

For you, man, it was everything

that I just didn't expect.

I was so blown away

by your ability
to be so warm and welcoming,

not just to the cast,
but to the crew.

And it was such
a comfortable environment

for me doing this movie, 'cause
this was my first, like...

this was, like, my first
kind of serious role.

-Yeah. Yeah.
-Right?

Uh, it's the first one.
So, low-key, I was nervous.

-You were really?
-I didn't say nothing.

Not just nervous
about lining up next to

the level of actors
and actresses

that I had to in that film,
and that was

you and Nicole Kidman.
It was like,

well, I don't want to be the guy
that looks like I don't belong.

Right? So I know I got
to come in, I got to do my job,

I got to be prepared.
But dude, you made me better.

Well, I-I'm...
Thank you for that.

-I mean it.
-That's very kind of you.

Usually, I have it in my
contract that nobody's allowed

to look me in the eye
when I step on the set.

-Really? Yeah.
-Yeah.

Because I...
you know, I kind of want

to create an intimidation factor
and have everybody fear me.

-Well, that's not...
I don't think that's... -And that's why

-I think, uh, it worked with us.
-Well,

-I don't think that they were...
-I think you were afraid.

I wasn't afraid.
I wasn't... I wasn't afraid.

A little bit?

-No, Bryan.
I wasn't afraid at all. -Okay.

I'm telling you that...
I admitted what I was

-nervous about, right? I-I...
-Yeah.

I already admitted that,
so it's not about fear.

It was more about being nervous
about just being next to you...

-Oh.
-...while-while acting. That's all.

That's... You...
That's a... Really?

That's a lovely thing to say.
Thank you.

When-when did it click for you

that you were... that you were
this, like, thespian?

Like, when did it
mentally click

that you had what it took

to not just act, but truly
become these characters?

-Well, my father was an actor.
-Really?

Yeah. My-my mother
and father were both actors.

Well, so you come
from the business, then.

I come from the business.
They had a...

They had
a very tumultuous relationship.

They needed to become stars, and
neither of them became stars.

-Wow. Okay.
-And it exploded

the-the family structure,

and it was bad there
for a while.

"Bad there" meaning bad
in the house with Mom and Dad?

-Yeah. Yeah. It was...
-How? What was bad?

What was bad was
that my mother started drinking.

-Mm-hmm.
-And my father left.

-Okay.
-So from the age of 11 on,

I didn't see my father
until I was about 22.

-Get out of here.
-Yeah.

-My dad wasn't around, either.
-Yeah?

My dad was vacant,
um... I would say,

damn, it may be
around the same, the same age.

-When you were about 11?
-About 11. Ten-ten, 11.

-My dad's bout was
with drugs, though. -Yeah.

You know, my dad, uh,
he got tied up,

and just kind of went down
a road where he never came back.

-Yeah.
-And the difference is, we didn't know where he was.

So, then later, we found out
what was going on with my dad,

and it was more of a discovery.

And were you actively
looking for him?

Uh... n...
We weren't really allowed to.

-What do you mean?
-Does that make sense?

So, my mom...
my mom and my dad weren't close.

-Okay.
-So because they weren't close,

you know, my mom kind of shut...

She shut the doors

to what could be
the relationship with your dad,

when she knew my dad was
spiraling out of control.

-Yeah.
-So because she had the knowledge,

"Oh, he's out there,
he's on drugs,

he's doing everything he's
not supposed to be doing..."

I don't want my kids
to be... Yeah.

-"...my kids aren't gonna
be around that." -Got it.

So, it was kind of a shield,
and then as my dad got better,

or started to get better,
um, I-I think...

My mom found religion around the
same time, so she started to,

like, play hopscotch with the...

"I'm in... I'm in...
I'm in and I'm out.

"I'm okay with your dad
coming to get you,

"but then I got...
I had a bad day.

-No, not today."
-Mm-hmm.

Which kind of, you know,
it-it...

it definitely messed
with the relationship

between my dad and my brother at
one point, but not me so much.

-I was... I was too young,
so my dad is just my dad. -Yeah.

I-I... It didn't matter.
I-I loved my dad.

Did your dad leaving
affect your feelings

-towards him at a young age?
-Yeah.

There were... there were
lingering feelings of-of,

uh, abandonment
and resentment and anger.

And I think,
you know, ironically,

I just channeled all that stuff
into my work.

So, I-I look for characters,

um, I-I'm attracted
to characters that are damaged.

-Damn.
-And-and that I... that

at least they have a sense
of purpose and-and a desire

to be better, to find
a better path for themselves.

Is that why it's so-- I don't
even like using the word "easy"

because it's not easy-- but
you make it look so damn easy.

Your ability to...

to go in and out
of emotion so fast.

We were on the set of, uh,
of our movie,

um, "Untouchable," right?

-Uh, oh-oh...
-No. It's called "The Upside."

-But it's the remake of...
-Of "Untouchables." Yeah.

-"Untouchables."
-Yeah.

So the original was that,
ours is called "The Upside."

But there was a scene
where you and I were...

I'm pushing you at nighttime.
We went to get the weed.

-Yeah.
-Went to go smoke the weed, and

in this scene is when you talk
about the accident.

You talk about how you got hurt,

and then you started
to talk about your wife.

And you cry in the scene.

I remember them saying "cut."
I remember them saying, "cut."

And then after we cut,
you would stop,

and then me and you would finish
talking and joking.

And then we would...

"Okay, guys, we're gonna do
another one." And, "Okay, okay."

And you welled right back up.

And I was like,
"He don't need a second?"

Like, you didn't need a... You
don't need to go in a corner?

Or-or walk away?
Like, you just...

Right there.
We were just talking.

You stopped,
and then you started again.

And I... Instantly,
instantly I was like,

"That's... That's the... that's
the other level of acting.

"That's the other level, Kevin,
that you haven't...

that you haven't touched
and haven't been around."

Well, don't...
No, don't sell yourself short,

because you have all the tools,
and you brought it all.

I said, when we first started
"The Upside," I said,

"This is going to live or die
on Kevin Hart's shoulders."

-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
-And it thrived because of you.

-You had to drive
every single scene... -Mm-hmm.

...and-and manipulate
the scenes.

I was a character
who was reacting

to this crazy person in my
house, and, "What am I doing?

"I mean, I hired this guy,
and he doesn't seem appropriate

to... I'm not used
to this, and..." And reactive.

But you had to drive
all the scenes, and it was...

I-I will say you definitely
just... You just helped with...

You helped me
with a strong sense of comfort

when it was time to tap

into the emotional sides
of that character.

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So how did you get to drama?

I mean,
you started in comedy, right?

Like, I mean, when-when I think
about Bryan Cranston,

I automatically go
to "Malcolm in the Middle"

-in-in the beginning days,
right? -Yeah.

In "Malcolm in the Middle,"

I mean,
you weren't just the dad.

You were the funny dad.

You-you hit punchlines.

You hit, you know...
Like, you were comedy.

So, with the success
of that show,

how do you then make the switch
the way you did?

-Was it... was it intentional?
-Yeah.

-It was intentional?
-Very much so.

-Wow.
-Uh,

there's a tendency
in our business to say,

-Mm-hmm.
-"Oh, Kevin Hart does this.

-Oh, let's give him that."
-Mm-hmm.

-"Let's give him
another one of those." -Mm-hmm.

"And another one,
and another and another."

And it's up to you, then--
as you have--

-to say, "No."
-Yeah.

"I'm not doing that anymore,
I'm going over here."

-Mm-hmm.
-And they're saying,

"But Kevin,
you do this so great."

And you go,
"I know, thank you. I did that.

I have to go over here."
And if you continue

just to do what you always do,

-you'll never do
what you don't do. -Mm.

What is the downfall
to most actors or actresses?

It's a bad project, or a couple
of bad projects, right?

And then, all of a sudden,
you're deemed as, "Oh, no.

"Flop. Not... No, no,
we're not taking a gamble,

or we're not this..."
So there's a level of...

There's a level of fear
in doing what you want to do.

Because if that thing that
you want to do doesn't work,

"Oh, my God. Will I have the
opportunity to do it again?"

-Yeah.
-And it's much more of a fear

for, you know,
Black actors and actresses

because, oh, my God,
how many shots do we get?

-Yeah. That's right.
-Right? Like I don't...

I'm not gonna get many shots.

So as I've been navigating,

you know, this-this...
this walk...

-Yeah.
-So I got to make sure that I move correctly.

"Pull the financing out
of his next movie!"

Yeah, I got to...
I got to make sure that I'm...

that I'm-I'm really
taking calculated steps

because of that.
You know what I mean?

It is, but it's tricky
because you don't want

to be so calculating that you
take the risk factor out of it.

-Mm. Mm-hmm.
-You have to say,

"There is
a certain amount of risk

to doing this role
or that role."

When you did "The Upside,"
I think we had a conversation,

and I...
It was, like, um,

"This is... this is really
a love story about...

-with two straight men."
-Mm-hmm.

And how they each
can inform the other person...

-I remember this. Mm-hmm.
-...about a future.

-That's when we met.
-Yeah.

-Before-before the film
we met. Yes. -Yeah.

And-and my...
I went home after our lunch,

and my wife said,
"What do you think?" And I said,

"He's got it.
I think he can do this."

Because it was going
to take your acting self

to really drop in.

It wasn't Kevin Hart
as we love to see him and...

(yelling) You know?

-You know, it wasn't...
-(both laugh)

-It's not that.
-Ah.

Because-because if-if that
guy... if that guy shows up,

then you're-you're jumping out
of... out of your character...

-Mm-hmm.
-...and into something that's really comfortable.

Who's your most challenging role
to date?

I think... uh...
I think when I-I...

When, uh,
when "Breaking Bad" finished,

I gave myself a moratorium
to not go on television

-for three years.
-Hmm.

I had to move away from that
medium and into other mediums.

And the place for me was
to go on stage.

And so I played, uh,
President Lyndon Johnson

-in a play called
"All the Way" on Broadway. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And then we did
a movie version of it.

And that was probably
the most challenging

because of the depth
of that character.

He had the highest heights
of ambition and aggression

and assertiveness
and the lowest of lows

with self-doubt,
and insecurities,

and crushing depression
and everything in between.

The other part of that is
that it was a real man.

And when you are playing
a non-fictional character,

there's a responsibility
that comes with it.

-Mm-hmm.
-I hope you get the chance.

I hope you look for something

where you can play
a-a real person.

There's not many people my size.
I've been looking.

-I've been searching...
-Have you? Have you been looking?

I've been looking
for a lot of people.

There's not many my size.

But you know, with the magic
of special effects

and visual effects,
they could make you look huge.

-The talent.
-Yeah, but, though,

you don't think
that you can do that?

No, I-I know that I can.
I'm saying,

I don't know the person
that-that it could be.

I think if... There's nothing
that I can't put my mind to

and execute on.

I-I am a firm believer

that if I say
I'm gonna do something,

I'm gonna figure out
how to do it.

I'm gonna give it 110%.

Exotic male dancing.

If I chose to do it,

I'll be one of the fucking best
on the planet.

-(laughing)
-If I chose to do it...

I'm telling you right now.

Here, come... here come
Little Bits. Here he comes.

-(both laugh)
-Here comes...

-Let him go. Let him loose.
-Here come Little Bits.

Just let him...
let him do what he do.

Just let... You know,

I was actually going
to be an exotic dancer.

-Get out of here.
-I swear to God, early on in my life.

-Really?
-Early on in my life, I was gonna strip.

I had no money.
Community college, right?

Community College of
Philadelphia, broke as hell.

And I was like,
"Dude, rent is due."

You know, at this point,
I didn't want to go to Mom.

-I was trying
to survive on my own. -Now did you...?

Did you have the body then
that you do now?

No. No, no, no, it was a...

-It was a shit show.
It was a shit show. -So that was like...

It was like,
"This guy's skinny ass. Look."

Yeah, it was gonna be...
it was gonna be a mess.

It was gonna be a mess.

Uh, but I was really
gonna do it.

I was like, "I got nothing else.
What am I gonna do?"

-Ooh.
-And I remember I was in the living room...

Uh, I was in the living room,
and I was, like, rehearsing.

I had this girl,
and she was like,

"All you got to do
is get a routine."

And I was listening to Ginuwine.

-Yeah?
-Ginuwine, uh "Pony."

That was my song,
and I'm like,

I'm-a have a nice
little routine.

I was putting together
a routine.

-And my brother walked in
while I was doing it. -Yeah.

And my brother...
I've never seen somebody so mad.

"What are you doing?!"
"Dude, mind your business."

"What are you doing, man?!"
"I'm practicing."

-He didn't laugh?
-No. No, he didn't laugh.

He was mad because he actually
thought you were gonna do this.

He was like, "What are you
doing? Like, if it's that bad,

"ask me,
or-or we'll figure it out.

You don't...
You ain't stripping."

And-and then,
the-the idea of it was gone.

If he didn't walk in that room,

that Thursday was amateur night,
and I was going to be there.

-All right, just as a thing.
-Okay.

-(beatboxing)
-No. No, Bryan. I'm not gonna...

-No. No, that's not...
-Come on!

No, no, that...
Bryan, it's not... No.

I'm not... and that
wouldn't have been my song.

-All right.
-I just told you.

-It's my song.
-It's Ginuwine's "Pony".

It's what I used to strip to,
but if it's not for you,

we can find another song.

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-Here's a good question for you.
-Okay.

We've talked about the acting.

I understand
how you approach it.

I understand where the emotion,
the pain, the happy comes from,

where you're able to pull.

I understand the childhood now,

and what was tough based off
of what you said, right?

What are your
extracurricular activities

outside...
outside of the business?

What does Bryan Cranston do?

-I... uh...
-That was a deep breath.

-That's a very...
-Well, you know, I...

-That's a very deep breath.
-I'm now 65 years old.

-I don't play golf.
-Mm-hmm.

I work out, um,
I spend time with my family.

-Mm-hmm.
-And I work.

Okay.

I don't collect anything.

-Wow.
-I don't. I...

Not watches, not cars, not...
I don't...

I-I have... I can do all that,
but I'm...

-It's just not interesting.
-Where's the money go?

In the bank.

And then what?

You know,
and hookers and blow, but...

All right, there you go.
(chuckles) I mean, it's just...

-And some are women, but, uh...
-Some are. Some are.

Okay. As long as you're having
a good time.

-Yeah.
-So there's nothing

that acts as a... as a hobby?

And if there isn't,
is that a problem?

Well, you know, I feel like I'm
in a therapy session right now.

I mean, this isn't therapy. It's
just conversation and dialogue,

-'cause I'm curious
about this, now. -Thank you. Yeah.

But it could be, Doctor. Uh...

-(laughs)
-I, uh...

I... I don't.

-I love to work.
It's my mistress. -Mm-hmm.

I love to work, as well, and
I can say the same exact thing.

I am... I am... I-I'm...

It's the same thing.

Okay, so my wife said
to me the other day...

Not the other day.
A year or two ago.

We were talking about it,

and I-I've been acting
for over 40 years.

-Mm-hmm.
-And I love it. I do.

It's-it's such a passion
of mine.

But I also love my wife

I've been married to
for over 32 years.

And, uh, I said, you know...

-We're talking about time
and how we deal with time. -Mm-hmm.

And you're married, and
it's like, you-you have kids,

and it's like, "Okay, well,
how much time for this?

How much time for this?"

You have to be very careful
with how you do things.

And I said that. I said, "Acting
has been my mistress, you know?"

And my wife said, "No.

"Acting--
you're married to acting.

I'm your mistress."

-Yeah.
-And I went, "No."

And she goes,
"No, it's okay.

As long as I'm the only mistress
you have, I'm okay with it."

-You know what's crazy?
-What?

I had a different example
that was given to me

that set a light bulb off.

And it was
that I'm married to my job,

and then I was dating my family.

-And that was a...
-That hurts.

-That hurt.
-Yeah, it does.

Right? And it wasn't
as if I did one thing,

and then there's a break.
You do another right after.

"Oh, my God, this was big.

-This one's gonna be bigger!"
-Mm-hmm.

-You keep feeding this thing...
-Yeah.

...that you have,
and you're embedding it

in the will and want for more
in your job.

And then you come home,
and you're with your family,

and it's "Hey, guys, come on,
let's eat dinner real quick.

Hey, we're gonna... What we
gonna do-- go to the movies?"

You're cramming life

-in the three days
that you have. -Mm-hmm.

You and I have been very,
very fortunate in our careers.

We've had opportunity
present itself.

And because neither of us came
from any kind of wealth,

any kind of, uh,

-fortunate environment...
-Mm-hmm.

My... I was kicked out
of our house.

They put an eviction notice
on the front door. Out.

We were split up. The family
split up, and every...

It was bad.

So when opportunity
presented itself to me,

I-I had to grab it.
You have to

turn it over and say,
"What's-what's best?"

-What's best for you?
-Mm.

What's best here?
Because if the family went away,

-what is it worth?
-Mm-hmm.

The one thing
that you just said is,

within, you know, that-that...

that-that attitude, right,

of another and another and
another, the biggest thing...

Because we come from nothing,

there's always been
a fear for me, Bryan.

-To go back?
That it's gonna go back. -To go back.

-That it's all gonna go away.
-Yes.

Like, that's a...
that's a real fear.

And-and there's a...
there's a high volume of people

-that will never understand
that fear. -Mm-hmm.

That will never truly identify
with that fear

because they don't know
that it's real.

They heard about it.

-You've heard about being poor.
-Yeah.

You've heard
about having nothing.

You've heard about
people losing their homes.

But if you never really
experienced it,

-well, it's just something
that you heard. -Yeah.

So when you finally
discover something,

and then you can discover
something else, like,

-"Well, I don't...
Wait a minute." -Yeah.

"I don't want to let this go."

But do you...?
You-you... you can't...

At this stage,
you can't possibly still feel

-that jeopardy
that it's going to go away. -No.

At this... at this stage,
at the age of 41--

-by the way,
much younger than you. -(whistles)

-Yeah.
-A lot younger, right?

Yeah. 41. That's good.
No, you look good.

-When you said your age...
-Mm.

...the first thing I thought...
-Mm-hmm.

-"I'm a lot younger than Bryan."
-A lot. A lot.

And by the way, the extra pounds
that you put on?

I think you wear it well.
I think you needed to.

I think it looks good.
I really do.

-What?
-Looks good. What were you saying?

-Well, I'm not trying to take...
-What were you saying, though?

What you saying...
You were saying something.

I'll get back to it.
I'll-I'll get back to it.

-We'll talk
about that in a second. -Mm.

Well, I'm gonna finish saying
what I'm saying,

but then I want to talk
about what you said in a second.

-Mm-hmm.
-Um...

now I'm at a place
where my life

and my life experiences
have opened my eyes

to the real important things.

Uh, the things
that should be priority.

The things
that I should value, right?

And when I started to ask myself
those questions,

I didn't like
the answers that I was getting.

I think I'm a great dad.

I think that
I'm a great husband.

Definitely stepped in some shit
here and there.

-But I've grown.
-Yeah.

-I learn. I get better.
-When you fuck up, do you...?

Are you easy on yourself?
Do you forgive yourself,

or do you beat yourself up?

Depends on the level, man.
I've done it a lot.

I've done it a lot.
Um, but I don't...

I don't wish that
it didn't happen. Like, I've...

Every-every time I've touched
a stove, and it's been hot,

I'm thankful for that burn.

I'm thankful
for that burn.

And you don't touch it again.

I'm not touching
that stove again, right?

But I... I don't like hearing
about things.

Some things you just got to...
you got to see for yourself.

You got to do
and know for yourself.

And then,
in this thing that we're in,

in this... in this world
of fame and success,

you're not prepared
for what comes with it.

And sometimes,
you-you don't learn it well.

Absolutely not.

There's a lot of people
who have not learned it well.

* *

* *

Did the fame bite you
at any point?

I was a working actor since 25,

and did a bunch
of different shows and things.

But "Malcolm in the Middle"
changed things for me,

and I was 40 years old.

And then I was 50 years old
when "Breaking Bad" happened.

I was already...

I had a wife and a child
and a small house,

and I was already secure

-in my foundation.
-You're polished. Yeah.

What kind of father are you

because of your dad and
your relationship with your dad?

Well, uh, it's funny.

I did that, um, genealogy show,
um, "Who Do You Think You Are?"

-Mm-hmm.
-And they traced...

They took DNA,
and then they did research,

and they traced it back
to Ireland.

My fourth...
four-times grandfather,

right, and grandmother came
from Ireland to...

first to Canada, and Canada
to the... to the States.

And out of the five-- including
my father, my grandfather,

my great grandfather,

great-great
and great-great-great--

only one
didn't desert his family.

So four out of five
of my predecessors... (chuckles)

-Wow, okay. Okay. I got it.
-...deserted their families.

I mean completely
deserted them.

And it... it was funny,
because it's so foreign to me.

It is... it is not anywhere
in my consciousness

that I would leave my daughter.

Even if there was a divorce,
an event,

the fact that you would stop
your responsibility

-to your children is
so foreign to me. -Mm-hmm.

The thought
of letting my kids down,

the thought of saying something
and not following through....

-Crushing.
-It's...

Because I know
what it feels like, right?

-Yeah.
-And, to this day, I...

When I tell you,
"I love my dad,"

I love my dad.
Mistakes or not, that's my dad.

Always gonna be my dad.

I'm always going to look at it
like that.

I don't have... I don't have
the room for the negative energy

and to hold on to something
just because.

I do know what it feels like,
though, when it's,

"Hey, I'm coming to get you,"
and then you don't come.

I know what it feels like,
as a child,

to sit with that
and stick with that.

For my kids, I stand
on the things that I say.

And the most important thing is
our word.

I tell them that. The most
important thing is our word.

Were you able to have
that conversation with your dad?

That of, "What happened?
Where were we? Who are you now?

-How did you...?"
-We still... We still ain't really...

Me and my dad never really
talked about it, but...

BRYAN: Yeah. It's kind of
a generational thing.

KEVIN: Yeah, but we don't--
we don't have to.

Well, it's not like
it's a weight off of my back,

like I've been waiting
to hear it and now I can go on.

It-it would be more
for my dad than for me.

I've already made the decision
to still love.

Do you still have a relationship
with your father?

No, he and I, uh-- we never...
we never were able

to bridge the chasm that was
created by his disappearance

and my confusion
as a child, and...

-Was there ever an attempt?
-Yeah.

-Yeah.
-Yeah. It just didn't happen.

Um... We...

I was able to get my dad
to go to therapy one time.

I got to give him credit because
he actually said these words.

"I'm... I want to go with you,

"but I would rather stick
needles in my eyes

than go to therapy."

(both laughing)

I would rather create

significant pain to myself

than to open up.

(both laugh)

-Man, but my dad was...
-He had a...

I hate to laugh,
but that is... that is...

that is very...
that's strong.

-That's strong.
-That's strong.

What else does Bryan want to do?

What else are you looking for
out of the business?

What else are you looking for
out of life?

Um... as you so kindly
pointed out,

I'm-I'm slightly older than you.

-Old. Old.
-Yeah.

As you get older, I find less
interest in material things,

-and I want experiences.
-Mm-hmm.

I just want experiences.

Look, let me put it
in-in these terms.

Uh, I'm in the fourth quarter
of my life.

-Is it the fourth or third?
-Fourth.

-I thought the fourth is 75.
-No.

-Dig this. Zero-20,
first quarter. -Okay.

-Oh, man.
All things going on, right? -Okay.

-20 to 40, second quarter.
-Mm-hmm.

-Feeling good. Halftime,
you're 40 years old. -Mm-hmm.

-Like you are now. It's like,
"I'm ready to go." -Mm-hmm.

-Mm-hmm.
-But let me tell you something. You've just now

entered the third quarter
of your life.

-Okay.
-40 to 60.

60 to 80 is the fourth quarter.

I'm in there. I just... I'm 65.

Holy shit. I'm in what quarter?!

You're in the third quarter.

Sorry.
You better get moving.

-You're in the third quarter,
my friend. Time... -That...

I thought I was in the second.

I thought
it was zero to 25, 25 to 50.

At 50, over the hump,

now we're on the back half
of the race.

-50 to 75...
-Oh, boy.

And if you make it past 75...

You're in the... now the
fourth quarter? 75 to 100?

-Yeah. 75... Well, I...
-Nobody... N-Not many people...

Listen, if you can get to 100,
you're in sudden-death overtime.

-And that mean...
I mean, literally. -That's true.

-It's not a good game.
It's not a good game. -Literally.

-It could happen like this. Yup.
-It's not a good game.

Every day...
every day could be the day.

-That's it.
-"Oh, Pop-Pop woke up again."

-(both laughing)
-Thought he was dead.

"Oh, God. He's up.
Everybody, everybody!"

We can cancel that trip
to the mortuary.

Cancel... Yeah, cancel...

"Don't call the funeral home.
He woke up." Every day.

-Every day is... Every day.
-(both laughing)

* *

* *

Is there a shutdown date?

You said you love to work.
Working is your mistress.

-Well...
-Is there a shutdown date?

If I fall out of love
with acting, then yeah.

And, look,
my mom had Alzheimer's,

-so, genetically, it's in there.
-Yeah.

If-If I get to the point where
I can't memorize my lines,

if I can't do a play, if I can't
memorize my-my lines, then...

I'm not going to be
an actor on stage

-with the ear buds in there.
-Mm-hmm.

"Tell him, 'You look
very handsome today.'"

You look very handsome today.

So there's no...
Now, here's the difference.

I have an end date.

I already have it in my head.

Can you share it?

No, I don't want
to tell them about it.

Can you whisper it to me?

No, then
that's telling somebody.

-Can I put it out on my social?
-No.

What are you doing?
I just told you.

-(laughing)
-I just told you I don't...

I don't want to share it,
but I'm telling you.

-Can I write it
on a bathroom wall? -No!

What are you...?
Are you listening to what

-I'm telling you?
-Oh, God. I can't do anything!

-Listen to what I'm telling you.
-Okay.

I'm thinking about the day

that I... that I shut it off.

But the part that I shut off
is my personal investment.

-The machine should still...
-Yeah.

...should still be able
to run from everything

-that's been put into it...
-Right.

...all the pieces
to the puzzle.

That should go.

-But I do have a date and time.
-Now, when you say

that date, shut-off date,
are you...? And...

But your-your enterprise
will continue to go on?

-Enterprise goes. Uh-huh.
-Okay.

But w...
Are you... are you saying

that you will completely
walk away?

That you won't be going in and,

"Oh, what are we doing here?
What are we doing there?"

You're gone, you're done,
you're moving

-into a different direction.
-I...

I have a shut-off date...

I'm not... I just told you,
I'm not...

-60.
-I can clearly see your lips moving.

-You're not...
-(mutters)

-What-what are you doing?
-I'm not saying anything.

What are you doing? Why don't...
why don't I just tell you

outside of this?

-50 years old.
-50.

50. At the age of 50.

-I broke you down.
-You broke...

-Well, you didn't break me.
-I broke you down.

-You didn't break me down.
-I broke you.

Okay, this is ridiculous,
is what it is.

Another one for you.
This is a doozy, okay?

-This is a real doozy.
-Uh-oh.

-So you say you don't have
any other hobbies, right? -No.

You say you don't spend money
on anything else.

You love to work.

You have a tequila, a mescal?

-Mescal.
-Right, a mescal. Uh, you and,

-uh, Aaron Paul.
-Aaron Paul and Dos Hombres.

-And Dos Hombres, right?
-Yup.

This is kind of like
an extracurricular activity.

I have the same work ethic
that you do.

-Mm-hmm.
-If I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna go all the way.

We-we talk to distributors
of Dos Hombres everywhere,

and we say,
"Look, this is no different

"than-than doing a film,
a television series--

where I'm invested
and I'm passionately involved."

-Mm-hmm.
-We want to make our mescal

the number one mescal
in the world.

Do you... do you love the space?

-I do.
-You love the space?

-It's fascinating to me.
-Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm learning so much.
It's a... It's...

I'm carving out a new area.

And Aaron Paul is
actually brilliant

-at the business in this.
-He's a great guy, man.

BRYAN:
He really is.

And he got me involved
in this.

-It-it was his idea.
-You guys

basically kept that relationship
going after.

-Yeah. Yeah.
-You maintained it.

I mean, that's a lot of years
to work together, though.

A lot of years, work together,
and as you know,

you-you do a film with someone,

and you're spending a lot
of time with them.

-Mm-hmm.
-And there's... there's a chance

-to be intimate,
and we don't always... -Wait.

-Hang on.
-Wait a second.

I meant in a platonic way,

-not in a sexual way.
-Well... yeah.

-Okay. How...?
-Not in the way you're thinking.

-I thought... I thought
what you said. I-I would... -I...

I know exactly
what you're thinking.

Yeah, I was thinking
based off of what you said,

-but then you cleaned it up,
which is why... -Intimate. Yeah.

-Okay.
-You-you have these close rel...

-Close-- is that a better word?
-Yes, better.

Close relationship, but
you don't always become friends

-with someone who you work with.
-Very true.

It's like, that's fine,
that's cool, that's good.

And once in a while,
"Oh, this guy

or this woman I can
really bond with."

-Mm-hmm.
-And Aaron Paul and I did.

Yeah, it brings me
to-to us, you know?

-We spent a lot of time together
during "The Upside." -Yeah.

-A lot of time.
-A lot of time.

-I felt like we hit it off.
-Yeah.

-I felt like... I felt like...
-Yeah.

I left that set, and I could
say, "Bryan's a friend of mine."

Yeah. That's called acting.

(laughs)

Well... well, that's...

well, that's hurtful.

-Let's just call it what it is.
-(laughs)

That's just hurtful, okay?

I-I... I adore you.

Yeah, but I mean, like...

-You know what?
-But how come I didn't get to where Aaron is?

-Like, why... like...?
-Oh. Oh.

Do you like Aaron better?

Well, I've known him longer.

-Yeah, but still. Yeah.
-Well, no.

He doesn't have anywhere
near the charm

-and beauty that you have.
-That's what I'm saying, man.

Like, what... like...?

All right. I guess.

I guess it's fine.
I just... you know,

after hearing the way
you just talked about Aaron

-and you guys doing things...
-You know what you have that...

that not many people do?
When I... And I...

When you're on the call sheet
and you are one of the stars

-of a show
or a movie or something... -Mm-hmm.

...um, you-you... you have to
take responsibility for that.

-Mm-hmm.
-It's a... it's a respon...

And you greet the crew,

and you, you know,
engage with them.

And you came on...

I was prepared
to do that on our movie,

like I'm...
like I've always done.

And you came on
and became the alpha dog.

-Mm.
-And I was...

I stepped back to a beta.

-A beta.
-A beta.

-You were the alpha.
-I'm very...

-I was the beta.
-I'm very big on that, though.

-Yeah.
-I'm very big on...

the treatment of people
and surroundings and the energy.

In all sincerity,

you made that set a... a joy
to come to work on.

Mm-hmm.

-You really did.
-Thank you, man.

-You really did.
-Thank you.

And the same, the same,
vice-versa. I'm-I'm...

I don't want to work with you
again, but that show

-was amazing.
-Wait. Bryan, you keep...

There's this weird thing
that you do when I think

-I'm in a great space....
-No, I'm just being honest.

You know, I'm just being honest.

I think you appreciate
the honesty.

I think it was a great space,
and then you...

Appreciate the honesty? Yeah.

* *

* *

I can say this.

I'm learning so much more about
you in this conversation, man.

-(laughing quietly)
-So much more...

outside of you being an asshole.

-(laughing)
-I'm-I'm...

I'm learning so much more, man.

-Ooh.
-And what I...

Just what I...
what I truly do love

and respect is just
your-your honesty.

Like, you're-you're...
you're so transparent, man,

in-in this conversation.

Uh, if you appreciate
the honesty,

l-let's break down a couple
of the scenes you did and-and...

-Wait. No. No, no, no.
-...figure it out.

-No, no.
-There were a few mistakes that you...

No, no, we don't...
we don't need to do that.

-The movie's over.
-Oh, okay. Fine. Fine.

We don't need to do that.
The movie's over.

Oh. Right. But if you ever want
to know some...

-I don't... I don't want
to know. -Okay. Got it. All right.

I don't want to know.
I don't want to know.

-Okay.
-Okay? But I do want to tell you

it's a... it's a true...
it's a true, true joy

to just have this relationship
with you.

To be able to talk to you
and chat like this

because I'm still young.
I'm a sponge, man.

-I'm a sponge,
and I'm soaking up... -You're not...

-You're not that...
Third quarter. -Well, no. I'm...

-I'm second quarter.
-Third quarter.

-I'm second quarter.
-All right.

Yeah. It's debatable.

We'll agree
to disagree on it.

Or just understand
that that's how I feel.

Uh, but I'm young,

and the things that you say
I truly do listen to.

I-I process them, I bank them,
I hold on to them.

And your approach to the craft,
your approach to life,

uh, hearing just the way
you talk,

it's... it's settling.

It puts a dope calm on me as to,
"It's gonna be okay,

"and I'm doing the right thing,

I'm going
in the right direction."

-Thank you.
-What is Bryan Cranston working on now?

Before we get ready to go,
before we wrap it up,

-what are you doing now?
-(laughing)

-Oh.
-By the way, "Your Honor" was amazing.

I didn't tell you that, yet.

-Oh, thanks, man.
-Uh, amazing.

Thank you. Um...

there's a couple...
there's a couple things

that-that are going on
that-that...

Films in various stages.

You know, uh, "Upside" was
incredibly successful.

-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
-$120 million

at the box office or whatever,
but I'm usually not very...

You're so good
at picking successful movies,

-financially successful movies.
-Mm-hmm.

I am not that...

I'm usually not that successful
at doing that.

So are you looking...?

You're looking
to do another theatrical now?

Yeah, I'm gonna do a play
in Los Angeles early next year,

and I'm gonna do, um,
a-a Wes Anderson movie

-in Spain, uh, soon.
-Mm-hmm.

And then I hope to do a-a movie

with Annette Benning
in, uh... in Massachusetts.

So it sounds like you got 'em...

you got them lined up
pretty well.

Uh, uh, yes, l-lining up.

Yeah, you got 'em lined up.

-How far out do you go?
-Two years.

Two years. You'll-you'll...

The rest... Yeah, two...

Uh, the end
of 2022 is-is when I'm...

I'm booked up till then.

That's strong.
That's very strong, man.

Is there a period
of time that you've found,

"Okay, after I finish
a movie or something,

I need X amount of weeks"?

I didn't before,
but now... I-I now...

What is that number?

Three weeks, four weeks.

Three to four weeks. I don't...
I don't... I don't need it.

-Oh, you need it.
-No, no, no, no. I'm saying,

I don't need, like, "Oh, God.
I got to take a break now.

Oh, I'm exhausted."
I don't need it.

I'm saying I'm now learning
to understand the importance

of making sure that I give that
time to those that do need it.

And did this come
after the accident?

Yes. Yes.

That pr... that quiet time,
that downtime make you...

-KEVIN: Awakening.
-Yeah.

KEVIN:
The awakening of life.

So, do you look at the accident,
now, as an odd blessing?

Thank you. A thank you.
Absolutely. A thank you.

-I got yelled at.
-Oh. Why?

I got yelled at. Doing too much.

Doing too much, moving too fast,
and it's all "I, I, I, I, I."

"You think you're in control?
Let me show you're not."

-That fast.
-Yup.

-How quickly
things can change. -That fast.

I was gonna say,
that's the perfect segue

-into me closing this out, man.
-Cool.

Like, your time here today
is-is something

that I truly do appreciate,
and I will value.

-Thank you.
-Like, this was...

-This was exactly
what was supposed to be. -Thank you.

-Open, great conversation.
-Thanks.

Amazing dialogue.
No prep, no nothing.

Now let's go to dinner.

No, we're not going
to dinner, man.

I thought we were going to
dinner. We should to go dinner.

No, Bryan. And-and thank you

for finishing your wine,
by the way.

This is really good wine.

It's really good wine.
It's really good wine.

It's a great conversation,
as well.

* *

All right, a life anecdote,
okay?

Another gem.
I give you these gems

'cause I drop 'em daily,
all right?

Your appetite is what
you want it to be.

What I'm saying is,
eat brussels sprouts,

but at the same time,
don't complain

if it ain't no jelly on
your biscuit. Take your time.

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