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Today's guest-- Well, she's a superstar actress,

"New York Times" best-selling author

and has her own clean wine brand.

Ladies, gentlemen, I'm talking about... Cameron Diaz.

(whoops) Hello!

-Oh, my goodness. -Well, good to see you.

-I... -Thank you for having me.

Well, thank you for being had.

In the, uh, the nicest way possible.

-Yo, I'm excited right now. -Me, too.

This is like a... this is a very big deal.

-Yeah? -Uh, I'm gonna fan for a minute, okay?

-Okay. -Big deal because I have never met you in person.

I've only seen you on the big screen.

And on the big screen, I've forever been a fan

of your level of funny as a comedian, as a comedic actor.

You are in one of the most legendary movies to date,

and that's "Something About Mary."

And it kind of crowned you in this comedic space

to me, and I know to so many more.

So to be able to sit across from you right now

and talk to you,

-this is a big deal, man. -Thank you.

-This is a really big deal. -Well... I really honestly

that makes me feel... actually feel-feel validated.

-Okay. -Because I'm not...

I don't consider myself necessarily,

-like, a comedian in the sense. -Okay.

-Like, I couldn't do what you do. -Okay.

You know, and the-- and I couldn't be on-on a stage

telling a joke and make people laugh.

I'm more of, um, you know, I can be funny.

-Mm-hmm. -But I never thought of myself as, like, a comedienne.

-Because, like, you know... -Well, you can say comedic actress, but you...

-Comedic actress, yes. Yeah. -A comedic actress

-with the chops and potential -Thank you.

-to take on the stage if she chose to. -Yeah.

But I feel really-- I love-- It makes me feel good

that you feel that way about what I do.

-I mean it. I mean it, uh... -Thank you.

I'm-a give you a quick lay of the land

-before we get into our discussion. -Let me see it. Okay.

-There is no prep. -Mm-hmm.

There's no predetermined conversation.

There is no interview, and you will not figure out

what we're gonna say to say it.

My goal here is to have a real talk show

-where you really talk. -I love it. Where we talk.

And we drink wine here.

Isn't it so great that you get to make

your life the way that you wanted to?

-I think so. -That's so cool.

-I think it's a beautiful thing. -Yeah.

-This is my somm. -Hi.

-Mr. Hart, Mrs. Diaz. -Yeah, I can't say...

-Hello, sir, how are you? -Very well. How are you?

Somm-- Sommelier. Som-Sommerlier.

-What is your name, sommelier? -Sommelier.

-Sommelier. -If you're English.

-Sommelier? -Sommelier.

-Sommelier, if you're French. -Sommelier.

We just say somm, we just say somm.

-Somm, somm. -Somm.

Uh, what are we drinking today?

Well, compliments of Mrs. Diaz.

We've got her incredible selection.

I want the rouge. I want to go with the rouge.

-Absolutely, absolutely. -You're gonna love it.

So delicious.

How long have you had your own wine?

This is-- We launched in July of 2020.

So it's-- That's basically--

You know, Kevin, this is what I decided.

I have to-- I-I wanted to have a job

where I can work from home.

-Okay. Okay. -(laughs): So...

-I quit, I quit acting. -This definitely allows you to do that.

And I started a wine... wine brand, yeah.

Why? Have you, uh, have you always been into wine?

-Are you a wine lover? -I love wine. Who does not love wine?

-Give her a nice pour. Yeah. -There we go.

Absolutely.

This is huge.

I like a lot of ice.

I like to water it. It's a beverage.

-Thank you so much. -Thank you.

-A cheers to you and, uh, your brand. -Cheers.

This is like a goblet. Like, I'm like...

Well, I had no idea.

This is, honestly, exciting.

By the way, I'm not mad at it. There's no complaint.

-Well, let's-let's have a good time. -Cheers.

So, you-you started this,

you launched it because your love for wine...

So, this is basically what happened.

My girlfriend and I--

my girlfriend who's... She's an entrepreneur.

She's in the... beauty and apparel for women.

-Mm-hmm. -And she...

We're really good friends, you know.

-We drink wine together. -Okay.

-What do we do with our friends? We have-- -You're girlfriends.

-Yeah, exactly. -Got it.

And we started kind of thinking, you know,

-we want to have wine, we want to have more wine. -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

But we don't always feel great after we drink wine.

-So... Headaches. Exactly. -Headaches, dry mouth.

-Yeah, got you. -You know, wake up in the morning, like,

-we have to function the next day. -Exactly.

Why are we going to have another glass of wine?

But we really wanted to, so we started asking

ourselves, how can we make wine better for us?

So you created your own.

Yes, but the thing was, is what--

It wasn't anything that we thought it was.

We-we thought it was something maybe would--

really naively thought we would add to it.

But what we learned in the winemaking process,

it's what you don't add to it.

-Mm! -And so, we knew that, for ourselves,

we were the kind of consumer

that wanted to have what the category of clean is,

across many categories, is sort of defined by certain things,

usually what's not in a product.

And so whether it's skin care

or something that you're eating organic,

whatever it might be, it's basically

how can I consume something that I know

doesn't have anything in it that I can't pronounce

or that I don't know what it does to my body.

I just want it as clean and simple as possible.

I was gonna say you-you

took out the complications, and...

Well, well, winemaking is, as you know

as a fan of wine, it's a process.

It's-it's a living, breathing entity,

-you know? -Absolutely.

And so, the-the value

that we wanted in our wine was, it to be just

as-as close to fermented grapes as we could get.

-Okay, I love it. Cheers to you. -Cheers to you.

-Good, cheers to you and your breakdown. -Thank you.

-See, this is the beauty of the show. -Yeah.

Organic conversation, now you're like, "Yeah, let's talk."

-Okay, let's talk. -That's amazing. I love that.

You said something while talking about this.

You said, "I wanted to do something

-that allowed me to be at home." -Mm-hmm.

-"Allowed me to be at home, work from home and chill." -Yeah.

And then you said, "Because I quit acting.

-I just stopped," right? -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Um, it's been a conversation for so many.

It's been a-a wonder, a-a why?

Why did Cameron Diaz step away

-from the world of acting? -Mm. Mm-hmm.

What is it that motivated you to stop?

Well, you know, I think you probably can relate to this.

It's like, when you do something at a really high level

-for a long period of time... -Mm-hmm.

You know, you're-- There-there's a lot that...

When you're the person who's sort of delivering

on this one thing, right?

You're the person on the screen, you're the person who's,

-like, "the talent," you know... -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Um, everything around you,

all parts of you that isn't that,

has to be sort of handed off to other people.

-Mm. -You know? So, like, different parts of my life,

whether it was my home or--

Every aspect from finances to just the management

of just me as a human being,

-not me as Cameron Diaz. -You're now... the machine.

-Cameron Diaz is a machine. -Mm-hmm.

But, like, for my personal person--

my personal spiritual,

you know, self, um, I...

was realizing that, you know, it's kind of like

that-that one part of me that functioned

at a high level wasn't enough,

-you know? -Mm.

It's fun to do. I love it. I love acting.

It's... you know, I can go forever.

I literally feel like sometimes I have unlimited,

you know, energy and,

you know, inertia. (chuckles)

-You know what I mean? When I'm... -What does "inertia" mean?

Like, movement forward. Like, you know,

-giving... you know. -I'm gonna do that a lot.

-If I don't know, I'm gonna ask you. -Yeah.

-No, I love that. -I do not feel any bad...

-I don't feel a certain type of way. -No.

-No, you shouldn't. -So, judge me later, but I don't know a lot of words.

-I have no judgment. That's not-- -Okay. I understand now.

I don't give a shit. (laughs)

-I understand. So your energy-- I got it. -Yeah.

You know, just, like, putting that forward.

And I just realized that I looked around

and it was just, like, so many parts of my life

that I didn't have, I wasn't touching,

and that I wasn't managing. And I couldn't really manage it

because it was so... it was so big.

Everything was so, you know, massive.

Oh. How old were you at the time

-when you're getting this realization? -Um, like, 40.

-You know? -Mm-hmm. And it's-it's clicking

-at this point in a way that never has? -Yeah.

Yeah. And I wasn't, you know, I didn't have, you know,

I have a lot of great friends, and I have a lot

of really incredible people who have supported me

for so long and who-- And I really do believe

it's about the people that you have,

you know, in your life that can help you keep things moving.

And I had some amazing people,

and I have other people who were not serving

-my best interest always. -Mm-hmm.

But you don't have time to figure those things out

if you are just going, going, going, going

like this, you know, with blinders on.

Y-You're-you're... You're in the tunnel.

-You're in the tunnel. -I'm-I'm very familiar with the tunnel.

-Yes. -Right? And...

and as that machine

-that you're referring to... -Mm-hmm.

...is getting fed because, like you said, there's so many people

around you, but they're just feeding the machine.

-Yeah. -They're not that concerned or interested with the person.

Yeah, you know, well, my-- I-I feel like I was

really lucky 'cause I had people that I worked with for 20 years.

You know what I mean? Who I really, I know they have

my best interests, but for me, I just really wanted

to make my life manageable by me, you know?

Like, my routine in a day is literally

what I can manage to do by myself.

I know that has to feel amazing.

-It's the best feeling. -Going from that.

Yeah, I feel whole, and, like, and I also didn't have,

you know, I didn't have the, uh, you know,

I found, I met my husband.

-Mm-hmm. -You know? We started a family.

All of those things that I didn't have time for before.

And didn't actually not just not have the time for,

but didn't have the space to make the decisions,

the right decisions for me at the times

-to-to bring that in. So... -I love to hear it. I love to hear it.

Yeah.

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Here's-here's a question. When you talk about your team...

-Yeah, yeah. -Right? When you talk about the people that were around you

for 20 years, was that a meeting?

-Was it a conversation or-or was there...? -Everybody kind of knew.

I was just like, "I'm fucking tired." (laughs)

-I'm like, "Mama needs to take a nap." -Was this at, uh...? Yeah.

-That's... (laughs) -It was, it was a decision...

-Yeah. Yeah. -...that-that you made,

-Yeah. -and it wasn't, it...

-people saw it coming, at this point? -Yeah.

Everybody saw it coming, and even, like,

my manager Rick Yorn, who's like my brother,

um, you know, he's like, "I know you're serious."

-Mm-hmm. -Like, I know you're serious.

He's-- He'll-he'll say, he'll bring me something

every once in a while where I kind of go like,

"Am I gonna do that?"

And then I think of all the things I'd have to let go of...

-To do it. -...in my life that I have,

I touch now, like, I would have to go away

from all of it, and I don't want to, like...

It's such a passion now for what you're doing.

Yeah, like, I literally am just like,

it's so great to know.

And-and I actually consider those options

to help me remind me that I'm doing exactly

what I want to do. You know what I mean?

-How long you've been married? -Six years.

-Six years. Congratulations. -Yeah, going on. Thank you so much.

-How many kids? -We have one child.

-Uh, boy or girl? -Girl.

-Girl. Name? -Mm-hmm.

I don't actually, I-I've heard....

People know her name, but I just don't say it out loud, yeah.

-You don't say it. Okay, I like it. -Yeah. Yeah.

I'm finding out. I'm getting everything.

I'm-- My-my feeling about it is, like...

-people know who I am. -Mm-hmm.

I want her to have her autonomy

-as long as she, you know, like, I want her to have her autonomy. -Protecting your...

-And I want her to be-- -You're protecting your child. I get it.

-Anonymity. Exactly. -You don't have to explain that.

It's very simple. I don't want to do that.

-I-- It's-- That's a d... -You have kids, too?

Yes, I have four.

Two young ones, right? And two older ones?

-I have two older ones. Uh... -Yeah.

16. 13, about to be 14.

-Uh-huh. -Three.

-Uh-huh. -Seven months.

-Seven months? -Seven months.

-Three years old. -Seven months.

Do you just want to, like...? (grunts)

-They're so delicious at that... -No, no,

I don't want to do that, I just...

No, I don't want do that.

-No? You don't want to just, -No, no, no.

-like, bite 'em, they're just so cute? -I call him little Taz.

-Why is that? -Tasmanian Devil.

That's a little Taz. He's-he's all over the place.

-He's all over the place? -All over the place. I mean...

-He's just... (whooshing) -I-I love it though.

-Yeah. -I'm not even gonna sit up here and downplay it.

-Yeah. -I love the large household.

I love-- I can complain about it when I want,

but there's no feeling like walking home...

-Mm. Ah. -...and hearing "Dad" being screamed from all over,

and seeing the excitement of your arrival

-and the need for your time. -Mm-hmm.

Like, that's the-the best thing in the world.

-Mm-hmm. -Um, what I love that you just said,

that is extremely important, is knowing where you want

-to put your time and where you want to put your energy. -Mm-hmm.

And, you know, in our business, it's a tug-of-war.

-Yeah. -It's a tug-of-war as to how many people get it

-versus how many people don't. -Mm-hmm.

Um, tell me what that energy is for you.

I mean, you're talking about motherhood.

Are you just, are you engulfed in?

-Are you...? -I love it so much.

-Yeah? -It's, like, sometimes I'm literally like,

"I used to do so much in a day."

(laughs): You know what I mean?

I literally just, like, slay every, like,

15 minutes, just like... (vocalizing)

You know, like, getting shit done.

And now I'm sort of like,

"Okay, wait, where was I?" (laughs)

Like, wait, am I-- okay, yeah.

Because, you know, everything starts and goes,

and stops and goes, because it's all about her needs,

-you know? -Yeah.

So I'm, you know, I cook all of her meals.

You know, I'm, I wake her up,

my husband puts her to bed.

We do, we're a total tag team.

You know, we do have childcare that helps us, which is so--

-I don't even know how mothers who don't have childcare do it. -Mm-hmm.

-It's a lot. It's a lot. -I really do not understand.

My heart goes out to them and they are superheroes.

Um, and I know that's where, like, the true fatigue comes in

when you don't have somebody to sort of like pass them off to.

-You know? -Absolutely. I mean, you give me my kids for an hour,

-I'm-I'm out of it. -Yeah. Exactly.

-There's no shot. No shot. -You're like... (laughing)

You-you-- I'm-I'm looking around.

I don't know how anybody does it. I don't, I don't get it.

-How do you-- how do people do this? -You just, like...

-I don't understand. -I get scared if my wife leaves.

But you do see how people are like, "Get outside."

Like the mother who, like, locks their kid outside because,

their children outside because she just needs ten minutes.

-I understand it. -I get it. I understand.

If you want to laugh, you should see my wife,

her face at-at the amount of fear

that-that I'm overcome with when she goes,

"Hey, watch the kids. I'm running out."

Whoa. Hey, what you doing?

-What--? Where are you going? -Where are you going? Wait, what?

-What-what? No, take 'em... -What? For how long?

Take 'em with you. I'm not-- No!

-All of 'em? I got all of 'em? -All of them.

-With me? No. -Wait, but do the older ones help out

-with the younger ones at all? -My-my...

-my oldest, Heaven, is amazing. -Yeah.

She's amazing. My-my... my son,

my oldest son, don't leave him with any responsibility.

-No. (laughs) -No, it's-- you'll find a baby facedown.

-Oh, no. (shushing) -Yeah.

Dude, I told you, watch the kid.

"I was online. I was on the game. I didn't know." Like, no.

-Right. -Uh, but I will say,

I-I second what you said, you know?

The mothers that literally take on that responsibility that may

or may not have help and just, you know, do it, get it done.

-Yeah. Yeah, yeah. -They are heroes. It's a lot!

-Raising a child is a lot. -Is so much.

And I even think back to my childhood,

because my sister and I, we had, uh, the babysitter

-in the neighborhood... -Older sister, younger sister?

-Older sister, two years. -Okay.

And we had the babysitter that all the kids

went to in the neighborhood, but there's 35 kids and, like,

one woman, and all of us were just animals, you know?

We're, like, just ripping each other's hairs,

-hair out and, like... -Ugh.

-God bless you. -It was just like...

-God bless you. -...mayhem every day.

First of all, in your, in your household coming up,

was it a, was it Mom and Dad?

-Mom and Dad, yeah. -Okay.

-So do you think because of the way... -Yeah.

-that you guys were raised... -Oh, for sure.

-does that add to your hands-on tactics now? -Yes.

Yeah, I mean, you know, my parents, both my parents worked,

so it wasn't like they were, like,

-off lost to us, you know what I mean? -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

There was, uh, we knew we got up with them,

we went to school and they would come home eventually

in the evening after work.

What I think is dope about listening to you talk now,

you know, you're-you're kind of experiencing life...

-on-on-- Yeah, it's like, it's like... -Backwards. (chuckles)

it's like you've reached these pinnacles.

And then after doing it, you're now finding

your biggest success and being able to devote

-your time to your, to your... -It's, it is

my favorite part of life, for sure.

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-Um... -So how did you, how did you stumble into acting then?

Like, at the age of 16, if you're modeling,

-you know, when-when did, when did the opportunity -I was...

-for acting come to you? -So, I was modeling.

I was doing commercials and catalog.

I wasn't a fashion-- I wasn't, like, an editorial model.

-Okay. -I was, like, making a really decent living

for a young girl who never saw money in her life.

-Okay. -You know what I mean, to, like, make money doing

a catalog and-and... and-and commercials.

And I went to live in Paris, and I was there for a year.

-Mm-hmm. -And I never worked except for one-one job.

And I'm convinced that they just thought I was not gonna return

from Morocco, is why they sent me there.

They were like, "Who hasn't worked this entire year?

"Let's send her. If she doesn't come back,

-it'll, no-no harm for us." -So you're with,

-are you with, like, an agency? -Yes, I was with an agency.

So you got, you're just living there and it's...

I'm living there, I'm going on every single call possible.

-Holy cow. -Didn't get the job.

I came home to do my taxes.

Whilst I was home, I went into my agency,

which here I worked all the time,

I worked every single day.

And my agent, my commercial agent said,

"Hey, they're casting a movie. They want to see girls.

Will you go in and read for the part?"

And it was for "The Mask."

And so, I didn't read for the main part,

originally, but I-I...

I ended up going back and reading for the-the...

the female lead.

Chuck Russell, the director, was amazing.

He just basically said like, "I want..."

It was down-- They were trying to get Anna Nicole Smith

to do it, because at the time,

Jim Carrey was still a white dude from "In Living Color."

-Yeah. -Um, "Pet Detective" hadn't come out yet.

-Yeah. -"Ace Ventura" hadn't come out yet.

So they were basically trying to get, like,

a-a female star in the role.

-Somebody else to be... -Somebody that they knew.

-Yeah, somebody. A bigger name or just somebody... -And here's this-- exactly.

And here's this, like, like, L.A. commercial actress

that Chuck Russell was like, "She is my Tina Carlyle.

I want her," and he took me through the entire process.

Like, I was doing wardrobe and dance.

-How old are you? How old are you? -I was 20.

And I turned 21 on the set of "The Mask."

And he basically was like, "You're going to be

"my Tina Carlyle. You're gonna be my Tina.

Just keep coming." I was doing dance rehearsal,

I was doing, you know,

wardrobe fittings. I was doing everything.

I still hadn't got the job yet.

And it was basically, like, two weeks

before they were starting to film.

-They said, "You got the job." -How long,

how long did you go through the process?

How long did you go through the process, like...?

It was like a-a month or two,

-I think, or a month and a half. -By the way,

understand what you just said,

this can be the demise of an actor or actress, okay?

-Mm-hmm. -When you, when you are acting

-as if you have said part... -Mm-hmm.

-and you haven't been given said part... -Mm-hmm.

It's a very dangerous space to play in.

-But I wasn't an actress. I was a model. -That's my point. It's like...

But you then, you're-you're...

you're engulfed into this now dream.

-Yeah. -You're "Oh, my God!"

-It was really exciting. Yeah. -"So you want me to go?

-Mm-hmm. -Yeah, you want me to go meet? Yeah!"

You want me to go talk? Yeah!"

And it just keeps progressing and progressing.

Yeah, it was really wild. It was just sort of, like,

all of a sudden I was like... I'm not--

I don't consider myself a really competitive person,

but I really just thought it was so much fun.

I had, I'd never gotten the rush that I had gotten when I...

-By doing that? -You know, by acting with Jim Carrey.

You know what I mean? And I said, you know,

"All right, okay." I didn't even know what it meant.

I didn't know what making a movie meant.

I didn't even know how to hit a m-- like, I knew how

to hit a mark from doing commercials,

but, like, acting wasn't my thing.

-You're thrown, you're thrown into it. -Yeah, I'd never done it before.

-Are you kidding me? So this wasn't even... -Mm-mm.

-This wasn't the plan. This was a... -Never the plan.

-I was not trying to act. -Wow.

I was not-- I was doing commercials.

And I was like, "Okay. I guess so. Sure. Uh..."

You know? And then I was just like, "This is fun. I'll do it.

Sure, great." And then after I did it,

I had such-- I had never had a sense of community before.

-Mm-hmm. -Because as a, as a model, we would be on a,

you know, a shoot for maybe a week,

-and then you never see the people again. -Mm.

-But you know how it is on a, on a set... -On a modeling set, I do.

-No. Yeah, you know how it is. -On a modeling set.

You know, when they're just like... (laughing)

Why are y'all laughing?

-That wasn't your laugh. -No, no, it wasn't a joke.

-No, I just don't understand my crew's problem. -It was not...

It's-it's, honestly, guys.

-I remember working with him at the end of my career. -Yes.

-I'm just kidding. (laughs) -You have no idea.

the modeling jobs that I had.

Go google "hard body."

"Hard body 1993."

-(laughing) -You tell me if I had a modeling career.

-Sorry, Cameron. It's just a lot of... -It's okay.

-attitudes around here. -I understand.

-You have to keep them, you know... -In line.

-Yeah. -It's just a lot.

So did it click after that, that this is now...

-Yeah. -...this could be my career?

-This is now what I want to do. -Yes. Then I was like,

then I was like, "This is fun. I want to do this.

-This is what I want to do." -Okay.

And so I got an agent,

and I, you know, was basically like,

"I don't want to do the parts they're gonna ask me to do."

-Okay. -Those are not the parts I want to do.

-Okay. -Whoever asked-- like, my first offer I got

after "The Mask" was to play, like, a scientist.

You know, like, a sexy scientist,

-you know, from Russia. -Okay.

(laughing): You know what I mean? Or something like this.

-Natasha. Natasha. Of course. Yeah. -Yeah, yeah, exactly.

-You know what I mean? -You're a perfect Natasha. I can see it.

And then, like, the lab, like, breaks out in infection

-and, like, you know-- Yeah. -Yeah. You poisoned-- "Did you poison Mr. Kraft?"

-Exactly. Exactly. -And you tell him,

in your voice, Natasha, you say, uh,

-"Welcome to Russia." Yeah. -Yeah. I was like, "Yo, I'm from Long Beach.

"And that shit is not, I can't even barely move...

-My tongue is so lazy." -But how are you...?

How are you so in the know at this point to,

like, you know, I know, I-I... they're gonna say--

-I don't want these things. -Because I, because I...

-because I'm a woman, and I'm objectified constantly. -Mm-hmm, uh-huh.

-And sexualized constantly. -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

-And I was like, "I don't want to do that." -Wow.

You know? So I was like,

"Let me do-- I want to learn how to act first."

Who was the representation at this point?

Well, Nick Styne was my agent and has been--

now I'm not acting anymore, so he was,

he was my agent all the way through my career.

-Okay. -And, you know, I said to him...

I was like, "I don't want to be put on the back burner.

"I want to, like... I really am serious about this.

"I want to, like, try to find, you know, roles

that aren't, you know, the ones that they're gonna want me for."

So, you know, I did, like, an indie film

called "The Last Supper,"

and then I did "Head Above Water" with Harvey Keitel.

Then I did "Feeling Minnesota" with Keanu Reeves

and, um, Vincent D'Onofrio.

-And... -And all these... All these are, like,

-calculated picks, or...? -Like... Yeah, they were just,

like, things that I had the opportunity to do.

-Good roles, though. -You know? But they weren't, like, the...

You know, I was literally just learning how to act.

-Mm-hmm. -Like, I was just... I called it "on the job training."

-Acting coach at this time? No acting coach? -I had a, uh...

-Yes. I did, um, have somebody who would help me out. -Okay.

But it was more... But not on set.

-Okay. -You know, just, like, before I would go in,

-you know what I mean? -The off time.

-Like... -Go over the material with you.

-Yeah, exactly. -Got you. Got you.

And then I started kind of getting more into, like,

trying to figure out, like, how to...

-My process. -Okay.

Um, and then, you know, I did, like...

Um...

I guess what was after...

I can't remember if "My Best Friend's Wedding"

-or "Head Above" came first. -(exhales)

-I think "Best Friend's Wedding." -(exhales)

Yeah. And then, um, and then "Something About Mary."

-I mean... -So, by then, by "Something..."

By "My Best Friend's Wedding," like, then I knew.

People were like, "Cameron Diaz!"

-You know? Yeah. -No, you're-you're...

-You're poised and polished at that point. -Yeah. Yeah.

-Yeah. -Like, you're-you're coming in

not only knowing what you're doing,

-but you're really good at the craft. -Yeah.

And "There's Something About Mary,"

you're talking about just comedic timing

-at-at a very high level. -Yeah, it was fun.

-And working with Ben Stiller. -I know. He's so great.

At the time, like, you know, that's Ben,

-Ben in his prime-prime-prime. -Yeah.

Like, the movie was just full

-of nothing but buttons and punch lines. -Yeah. Yeah.

To this day, I'm gonna say, "Franks and beans..."

-(laughs) "Franks and beans." -"Franks and beans"

is one of the best lines that was not the line

that I've ever heard in a movie,

because Warren's in the background.

He's in the background of that scene,

and it's about Ben on the stretcher,

and you're putting him in, and in the back, you just hear,

-"Franks and beans." It's... -"Franks and beans." (laughs)

-And you see, like, the earmuffs. -It's so good.

-And he's, like, he's, like, out of focus, kind of. -Yeah.

-And it's... There's so many gems in that movie. -Yeah.

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There's tiers to the...

-to the movie star business, right? -Mm-hmm.

Like, you have... you have the beginning tiers,

which are what we just discussed,

which are great opportunities, great movies.

And I can only speak this way because I understand.

I've-I've been in it, as well.

But then you start to cross

this universal box office tier, right?

Where you-you get that-that project

that puts you in every country,

-and-and you're talking hundreds of millions of dollars. -Yeah.

-So, we're talking "Charlie's Angels" at this point. -Yeah.

KEVIN: And, you know, at this point, it's...

The monster is-is-is...

We are in a full-blown, like, machine

-at this point, yeah. -I mean, you...

Did you expect that movie to be what it was?

Yeah, "Charlie's Angels" was... Our in-intent

was to make "Charlie's Angels"

-be, you know, like, you know... -Oh, my God.

-We wanted to be female action, you know? -Absolutely.

-Yeah. -And we wanted... It was very...

For us, too, like, we didn't use guns.

-Mm-hmm. -We didn't kill anybody.

We were all, like... It was hand-to-hand combat.

-It was our, you know, our skill set, you know? -It's the best...

-It's the best family... -Yeah.

-Mm-hmm. -You-you checked all the boxes

to get families in the theater.

-The biggest... I'll say this, okay? -Yeah.

To everybody watching this right now,

the biggest goal for any studio--

uh, I won't say for any actor or actress,

but I'll say for a studio-- the-the biggest prize:

if you can somehow do a project

and it's a family project where any and everybody can come

-and they can see it together. -Yeah.

They can see it as husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend.

They can see it as mom, dad with all the kids, aunt, uncle.

Where you check the boxes where anybody can come to a theater...

-Mm-hmm. -...that is a monumental project,

and not many can do it.

-Mm-mm. -You did it,

-and you guys did it. -Yeah. We did.

We had so much fun doing it, too.

-It was so perfectly casted. -Yeah, it was so great.

And Drew, you know, Drew produced that.

-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -She created the opportunity, you know?

And she was... She got me on board,

and it was one of the best times,

you know, making a film ever that I've had.

You go out. You're now done, all right?

Let's just fast-forward.

Let's get back to almost where we are now.

-Mm-hmm. -You decide to walk away.

Mm-hmm.

I know that you're in love with motherhood.

I know that you said, "I kind of miss it."

You said, "I kind of miss it sometimes."

I-I don't, actually, ever. (laughing)

I was gonna say, in-in watching...

No, I think about whether or not I would do it again

just to remind me that I don't want to. (chuckles)

I was gonna say, you know what just hit me?

-What's that? -You got out the business

-before the social media wave. -Yes, I did.

-Holy cow. -(grunting rhythmically)

Wait a second.

Let's-let's all take a second

-and truly acknowledge what I just said. -(laughs)

I know. Isn't it beautiful?

-Cameron, you got out... -I know.

-Got out! I got out! -...before...

-(laughs) -...before the wave of shit...

-Yes! -...that has come with social media.

-By the way, good and bad. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

-Right? There's good and bad. -Mm-hmm. Yeah.

-But you... It just hit me. -Yeah.

-It was just in time. Yeah. -It was just, like...

It was like, "We were just tweeting."

-Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. -"What is it? You get 150 characters?

-I'll try it." -(laughing)

Yeah, "Today I ate pancakes" was the beginning.

-It's... Yeah. -You're like... And next time...

-And then you just go, "Butter." (laughing) -"But..." Yeah.

It's like, "Hey, today, woke up on time."

-(whoops) -"Who else?"

-"Who else?" Ah! -Ah! Yeah.

-Man, what happened? What's gonna happen? -Comments...

-The comments are like, "Me, too. Me, too." -"Oh, man,

-look at this, man." -Now they're like,

"What are you talking about? What do you mean,

wak-waking up at the same... right time?"

No. In the beginning, it wasn't anything bad.

It was just... It was all happy.

-"Me, too. Good morning." -Oh, yeah.

-You got out. -Oh, my God. I did.

(chuckles): But this is my problem. This is...

Like, I was so reluctant to, like,

-dip back into this shit. -Your wine is really good, by the way.

-Thank you. It's delicious, isn't it? -Go ahead.

-It's really good. Seriously. Go ahead. -Thank you.

Um, I...

And, you know, now with-with my wine,

I, you know, try to engage as much as possible,

but I just really have zero...

I have zero interest

in showing... sharing my life with people.

-I don't think you should. -(chuckles) It's, like...

-I don't think you should. -And it's so... It's so cool,

because, like, I get it.

Like, our marketing gals who are social media gals,

they're-they're amazing, and they understand it.

Like, they get how to make this work.

-Mm-hmm. -And they'll be like, "How about if we...?"

I'm like, "Nope."

"If you wanted to..." "Uh-uh. I don't."

-(laughing) -You shouldn't. But you shouldn't.

-Like, I literally do not. -You shouldn't.

I-I think there is such an amazing thing...

-Mm-hmm. -...in privacy...

-Ugh! (exhales) -...for those that have chose to...

to truly, uh, prioritize it, right?

-Like, I'm-I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. -Yeah. Yeah.

I'm as transparent as they come, and I love it.

-You know, I take the good and the bad. -Yeah.

That's why I'm always okay if I step in shit

-and it's still on my shoe when I walk. -Mm-hmm.

I'm fine. I open up for a reason,

because my life is about being open.

-Mm-hmm. -Whether it's through what you see on social media

-or the stage, I'm an open book. -Right.

-Yeah. -I tell stories about me

-and who I am and what I go through. -It's very brave.

-It's very brave. -It's-it's what...

It's gonna make me or break me.

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Early on in my career,

I kind of adapted the side of "I want to know

-and understand the business." -Mm-hmm.

-Right? How do I not just be a work for hire? -Mm-hmm.

And I was like, there's so many actors

and actresses that are work for hires,

and then, you know, if the town says,

"We don't want you no more," then you're done.

How do... How will you work? Like, what-what do you do?

Like, is it back to wherever you came from

if you didn't manage your money? I don't want that.

So how do I get the business?

-You did "Bad Teacher" with Jason Segel. Right? -Mm-hmm. Yeah.

-KEVIN: Jason Segal a good friend of mine. -Mm-hmm.

KEVIN: And the conversations

of Cameron Diaz's business approach to "Bad Teacher."

"Cameron took nothing up front. She just did the movie."

-"Cameron, in return, got everything on the back." -Mm-hmm.

-"That's why Cameron left." Right? -Uh-huh.

-Cameron and the numbers. I just kept hearing bigger numbers. -Yeah.

"Cameron walked away with this." And, "No, no, no.

"Cameron walked away with this right here.

"'Bad Teacher.' She backed the truck up.

That's why she left. There was enough money..."

"Bad Teacher" was, like, a... Like, I did four other movies

or five other movies after "Bad Teacher."

-I'm telling you what I... Listen, this is... -That's so funny.

-I got to give you this from the time. -Yeah.

So, I keep hearing it. I'm like, "She took nothing."

(chuckles) I-I didn't.

-"She gambled. She gambled." -Yeah, you...

-I did that several times. -"You got to...

-You got to take the back end." -Mm-hmm.

-"Cameron took the back end." -Yeah.

-"I'm gonna take the back end." -You know what? You...

Okay. And?

-And of course. Yes. -You take the back end.

-Of course, yes. But I... -Yeah.

I not only did that but I also knew

-about your creative involvement. -Mm-hmm.

-Yeah. -I knew about the producing hat.

-Mm-hmm. -I knew about how you were able

-to put yourself in a position to make those deals. -Mm-hmm.

So, I went, and I started doing research,

but your-your business success and trajectory,

-it was a part of the ignition. -Mm-hmm. Well, I'll tell you.

The... So, you know why I take the back end?

-Mm-hmm. -Because I really hated being...

I hate... First off, I go like this.

"If you give me this in the front

"and you make that on the back, I'm gonna be pissed off

-because I helped you make that in the back." -Mm-hmm.

-I... Obviously, right? -Mm-hmm.

-Everybody takes a back end. -Mm-hmm.

But for me, I was like, "I don't want a big paycheck.

"Let's-let's all share in this.

If it's a success, let's all really share in this."

By the way, you know, do you understand

that that's a rare mindset?

-Do you understand, like, why it's a rare mindset? -Yeah.

I-I think so. I mean, it's-it's...

-I don't... -Give me your thought, I'll give you my thought.

-Well, for me, I don't care about the money. -Mm-hmm.

Like, it's not really, like...

-I've never done a movie for the money. -Mm-hmm.

I've made a lot of money-making movies,

-but I've never actually taken a job for the money. -Mm-hmm.

I've only taken it because I wanted to make the movie,

-and I wanted to work with those actors and that director. -Love that.

-That's it, ever. -Love that.

So, for me, I was like, I don't want to take

this big obnoxious number in the front.

I would rather get-- put it on the screen,

put in my energy, put in my time,

put in the-the promotion,

give it my all and in the end of it,

at the back end of it,

I would like to take my share of it there.

-Mm. Mm-hmm. -Because then I feel like I earned it.

Then I know that I made the money I deserved on this movie.

-Instead of you paying me for what I've made in other movies. -Mm.

I want to make, I want to get paid

for what I d-do with this movie.

So that was my mentality.

-Okay. Mm-hmm. -For me, intention is everything.

Why are you doing what you're doing it for?

-Okay? -That's-- You said that and that was... that was gold,

about you saying that you've never done anything

-for the money. -Mm-hmm.

-Uh, it's always been about the project. -Mm-hmm.

-I wish that I could sit up here and say the same thing. -Mm-hmm.

But I didn't have...

I didn't have the luxury of making those decisions

-early on, right? -Right.

So, if you look at the early part of my career,

I'll be honest, and I'll look right in the camera,

-there's a lot of fucked shit, okay? -(laughs)

I just want to be perfectly clear.

-Some of these titles, I hope you never find. -Right.

But I didn't have the luxury of "I can't."

-I had to. -Mm-hmm. Right.

-There was no... There was no life -Sure. Mm-hmm.

without said opportunity. I--

-There's no way I'm gonna pay these bills. -Right.

-There's no way I'm gonna feed myself. -Right.

-Certainly. -There's-there's no way.

So once I had the opportunity to make the choices...

-For those-- the reasons that you wanted to make it for. Yeah. -For-- Yes. For the reasons...

Then-then my-- The world changed within my career.

-Like you said, you're doing movies based off of the project, -Mm-hmm.

-based off of the talent, based off of, -Right. Yeah.

-you know, the opportunity and not the finances. -Yeah.

But I can't honestly sit up here and say

that I'm on par like you were,

-because I didn't have the luxury. -Yeah.

-But I love what you said. -Yeah.

-But also, it's still the intention. -Absolutely.

So, like, the intention--

There's a lot of people who make decisions based off

of how much money and how much fame

they think a part's gonna get, bring them.

-Absolutely. -People-people who want to be rich and famous

-as an actor get rich and famous. -Mm-hmm.

-That's not always a good thing. -Mm-hmm.

(laughs): You know what I mean? Like, if that's your...

if that's your goal, then when you hit that peak,

I am sorry, there is-- that peak is a--

that's-that's basically a thin line,

and the next step you take is off the other side.

You know, for me it's about

you're not making those decisions

because you just wanted to be famous.

You are an artist.

You're-- You want to tell stories.

You want to put energy into the world.

You want to have an impact on people's lives.

You want to engage people.

You want to have, you know, your-your Instagram followers

be a part of your process in life

and engage and influence them.

And hear it come back at you and be able to be like,

"It doesn't hurt me." Uh...

You know, watching the bullets speed by and being like,

"Ha-ha-ha," that-that's what feeds you.

That's a different thing.

Some people only just want to be able to walk

down a red carpet and go like, "Yeah,

I'm the star of this movie," you know.

And when that's your intention,

that's when it's short-lived.

That's when you-you exit very quickly.

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-I said a joke in my last special. -Mm-hmm.

And I meant it. I was like, you know...

-I was referencing people of today. -Mm-hmm.

And with social media et cetera, and I was like,

"You guys, you fucked up fame."

-Yeah. (chuckles) -Like-like, you know, at one point it was...

-Valuable. Uh-huh. -Yeah, it was a thing.

It was, it was a real thing.

But now, you know, people's approach

in the-the road to it and how it can be achieved

-and what-what happens when-- Like, it's not... -Yeah.

-it's not really the same. -Well, reality TV fucked it up first.

-Absolutely. -Because reality TV

actually gave people their 15 minutes of fame in mass.

-Right? -Yes.

So, all of a sudden, there was, like,

100 people who were getting their 15 minutes.

-Yes. -And they were all over the place.

And then they pushed out everybody else

-who had, you know... -It's weird...

Here-Here's what it is. It's weird...

-And devalued it. -Here's-- I would say this, right?

So that we are...

uplifting and supportive of

people trying to figure out how to make it.

-Mm-hmm. -If you-- if you're trying to figure it out,

just like I said in the beginning,

-how I had to do those movies. -Mm-hmm.

I had to do those things.

I didn't want to do... "Who Passed the Potato Salad?"

-(chuckles): Right. -I didn't want to, you know, do...

Is that an actual title?

-Just mind your business, Cameron? Okay? Just... -(laughs)

I'm gonna look it up as soon as I...

Somebody have my phone?

-Who has my phone? I need to google. -Okay. You know, uh...

I-I can go titles for days.

-(laughing) -I've done, you now...

"Throw That Thing to the Back..."

I didn't want to do these titles, all right?

I didn't want to do "Jack Don't Take Me Back."

Wait, was-was-- Is "Pass Me the Potato Salad," like,

-an actual movie, or was it like... -Listen, what I'm saying is,

I didn't want to do these titles.

So, you know, I'm quite sure

for a lot of these people that go through these avenues,

you know, within the reality space,

it's opportunities, right?

And people are trying to use the opportunity to get

to the next point.

But the one thing that we can agree on is

that within the space of reality TV...

It was such a volume of it because it became the "it."

And that volume of it, it produced your...

like you said, people that got the 15 minutes.

-Mm-hmm. -And within that,

well, then social media continued the rise.

There were other people that were getting hot there

and it produced 15 minutes.

So now the conversation of this thing, well,

-it's now being merged, right? -Mm-hmm.

It's-- Everybody's somehow being considered in the same thing,

and that's where it got extremely messy.

And within the mess of it, you know, it-it...

It's tougher. It's tougher to manage.

It's tougher to operate and to navigate it.

-Mm-hmm. -And...

I think the one thing that I have to say to you

in getting out when you got out, you missed this time.

And...

it's a great thing because you're only...

-you're only viewed on this... -Yeah.

-...on this pedestal. -Well, I--

This is what I've always said, it's like,

I got here without that, so I don't really need it now,

you know what I mean? Like, I-I...

I-I got here without ever using social media

as the platform that got me

any level of my recognition, period.

-So I don't really need to do it. -To do that. To do that.

-You know what I mean? -Yeah. Yeah.

(clears throat) So...

I mean, I do. I do a little of it, you know.

-Um, but I'm literally doing the minimum. -I l-- I love it.

-(chuckles) You know? -I love it, though. I love...

-I love the conversation. I love the dialogue. -Yeah.

More importantly, I just love where you are in your life.

-Thank you. Sure. -Question for you.

Okay? As we approach the ending...

-Mm-hmm. -I realized another thing.

-What's that? -Well, I haven't seen Cameron Diaz,

like, do an interview in forever.

-So this is like... -Yeah.

-It's, like, the first interview that you've done... -Yeah.

-in a extremely long time. -Mm-hmm.

Okay? I'm gonna take that.

That's a... that's a big deal to me.

-Well, this is what happened. -That's a big deal.

I got a... I got a email saying,

-"Kevin Hart is doing a show called 'Hart to Heart.' -Mm-hmm.

Um, they asked you if you want to come on."

And I went, "Huh. That sounds like fun."

-Huh. -And I went, "Sure."

If you gave me a "huh," that is the biggest thing.

-Huh. Kevin, huh? -Yeah.

-Huh. -I was like, "Kevin."

I was like, "Kevin Hart. Huh. Yeah, that sounds like fun."

All right.

But I didn't even have to think about it.

-I just said, "Huh. Yeah." -Huh. You know what?

I'll do it. You know why?

-Because I don't have to do fuck all. -That's right.

-And I only have to do what I want to do. -What you want.

And I wanted to do this.

I'm gonna tell you something else.

And I'm gonna be very honest with you.

-Are you ready for this? -Yeah. Mm-hmm.

-I'm a little tipsy. -(laughs)

-I'm just gonna be honest here. I'm-a be very honest. -Are you?

-Listen... No, no, no. -You're doing really great.

-Remember how big this glass was? -That was a really deep pour.

-It was like... -It was a really big glass, right?

-This is how much it was, right here. -No, no. Listen.

-(laughs) -I want to be very honest.

I'm responsible for the top half, right?

And as we were talking, there was a moment

when I was gonna cross my legs, and I didn't know--

I was like, "What am I doing?"

I was about to do this, and I said, "Oh, wait.

Oh. I'm a little buzzed."

-(laughing) -But it's such a good buzz.

-Isn't it so easy to drink? -No, like, I'm-I'm serious.

It's clean. It doesn't--

You're not, like... you're not drunk.

You're just, like-- It's a nice little cozy warmth.

-It's-- Here's why I love wine. -Yeah.

-There's two feelings that you can get from wine. -Yeah.

Well, there's more than two, but my two.

Bad wine, I can get, like, ugh.

-It's like, it's like a kind of fog. -Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Like, ugh. It was too much of that,

and I'm just like, I'm done. Right?

Good wine, I feel tall.

-Right now... -You-- (laughs)

I don't know if you guys are picking up what I'm laying down.

I feel like my posture's gotten better.

Right? My-my speech. I don't know.

-Am I speaking French? -Yeah. I could-- You were...

(stammering) You're crystal clear.

-I think I've said a couple French words. -Yes. You might have.

-I think... (laughs) -"Comment allez-vous et vous?"

Huh? It's good wine. Um...

The-the great thing about that is that with every serving...

-Mm-hmm. -Like, there's zero sugar in a,

in a serving, because we have no added sugar.

-I'll tell you what I feel. -Tell me.

I feel honored. Uh...

I'm so appreciative that you came on.

More importantly,

our first conversation was an amazing conversation.

-It was. Really great. -And it's one that I'm never gonna forget.

-Me, neither. -You and I are going to talk further.

-Yes. -And, yo, like,

you got a friend in me.

I-I've been a forever fan.

But now my respect is... is through the roof,

-Aw. -after hearing you talk the way you talk.

And I love that you did it your way.

I love that you're the mother that you are.

I love that you're hands-on with your child,

and you're keeping that world in a space where it's that world.

Uh, the same with your husband.

The same with your private life.

I-I give you your flowers to your face.

-Don't change. Keep it that way. -Thank you. You as well.

And if you ever do decide to come back to the business,

do a movie with me and nobody else, okay?

(laughs): Absolutely.

Nobody else. Thank you so much.

-Thank you. -Ladies and gentlemen, Cameron Diaz, huh?

-Thank you. -Cameron Diaz, give me a hug.

-(groans) -I would love to.

-(chuckles) -That was good.

Thank you so much for having me.

-Did I give a moose knuckle when I stood up? -(laughs)

-Damn it! -I hope I'm not giving camel toe.

-No, you're fine. It's me. -Okay, good. All right, good.

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Okay, uh, I'm big on life anecdotes.

You guys should know this by now.

I think I've given out several gems.

Today's is a special one,

so pay close attention.

Life is just like a rabbit: sometimes you're gonna hop,

sometimes you're gonna dig a hole.

What I'm saying is, eat a carrot.

That's it.

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