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Today's anecdote. I love to give life anecdotes,

and this one here is a doozy.

Guess what, if you're not wrong,

you could be right.

What I'm saying is... (chuckles)

go to Japan every once in a while.

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Oh, man. Today's show will be another amazing one.

And this one here

is a multiplatinum-selling recording artist.

I mean, God, we got three-time Grammy winner,

an Emmy winner for her daytime talk show

and, guess what, a judge on "The Voice."

I'm talking about none other than Kelly Clarkson.

-Come on, Kelly. Come out here. -(laughs) That was the best lead-in ever, man.

-That's an anecdote. -(laughs) That was amazing.

I give out-- I give out my little life anecdotes.

I-I love going to Japan.

Oh, man. You know what? I've never been.

-You haven't? -I just say that. I have not been to Japan.

-You would love it. It's-it's really cool. -Well...

-Well, then don't tell me about it, because I'm-a go. -Okay.

-I am a firm believer... -Okay.

...great conversations happen over a glass of wine.

So, on my show...

-Okay. -...well, wine is the center of focus.

-And I have a sommelier. Right? -Okay. I'm a firm believer

-in free wine, so bring it on. -Well, guess what.

-Guess what, you're gonna have some today. -Okay.

-Where's-where's he at? Come on, champ. -(chuckling)

Come out here!

We about to get it. Ooh, what we drinking?

Mr. Hart, something different for you today.

Man, what we got?

2017 cabernet sauvignon from Spring Mountain.

Man, don't-- You better not give me no cabernet s-sauvignon

-from Spring Mountain. -It's-it's cab today. Red fruit. -(laughing)

-Black fruit. Bold. -You better-- you better not give me

-no bold red fruit, black fruit. -Ms. Clarkson?

-I'm... (laughs) -Huh? You better not.

You better not give me no bold red fruit-fruit, black fruit.

-Not today. -(laughs): "Red fruit, black..."

-Huh? Not today. -Today. -White fruit, blue fruit.

Ooh! That's a cabernet sauv-sauvignon from...

-2018. -(laughs) -'17, Mr. Hart.

-'17. That's what I said. -'17. (laughing)

2017. It's a cabernet sauvignon.

-There's a black fruit. -I'm ready.

-Huh? -I have done a wine tasting

-with you. -Both enjoy. -HART: Yes, yes.

-We have! Thank you so much, man. -We have.

-You're very welcome. -Thank you! -Always appreciate you.

Hey, man, we might go-- we might go seconds and thirds.

-Here we go. -I'm ready to go.

-All right, my guy. -We-we might go.

-He's holding my hair. Okay? (laughs): I'm, like... -Uh...

This is a cheers to you being here. Thank you so much.

-I love you. -This is why...

I literally wanted to run in yelling, "BOP, BOP, BOP."

-(stammers, chuckles) -And "How many cheeses, Jerry?"

-I-I love you. -"How many cheeses? Jerry.

-How many cheeses, Jerry?" -Your stand-up is so awesome.

This is our second time with wine.

-Yes. -I came on your show.

Do you only like to hang out with me when you're drunk?

-'Cause it was so happening? So... (laughs) -No. But I didn't get drunk.

-I didn't get drunk. -No, we didn’t.

Uh, and we-we drank. But today we can actually--

We can get lit, if you want to.

-No. I have to take care of children after this. -We can.

-Do you? -The-- You don't have to. You choose to.

-You could... -Well, I'm single now, so...

-I'm the only adult in the house. -You could-- you could...

-You could leave 'em there. -Well...

-A little bit. Not-not a long time. -(laughs)

-They'll be fine. -Not a long time. Just a little bit.

They're-they're crafty. (chuckles)

-This is a good cheers to you, okay? -All right. Cheers.

Mmm.

All right, Kelly. Here's the difference.

-You have a talk show. -That's good. Okay.

Uh, on your talk show, you interview people.

-All right? And you do an amazing job of it. -Yes. Oh, thank you.

That's why you've been nominated for an Emmy, et cetera.

Here, I don't follow the talk show format.

-I follow a conversation format. -I love that. Mm-hmm.

So there's no prep. There's no, like...

-I love that. -There's nothing that I have that's like,

"Oh, my God. We got to get at this.

-We got to dig." No, it's just dialogue. -Yes.

-Open conversation. -I love that.

-So, with then that being said... -Yeah.

-...let's have a good time. Let's have a good one. -Okay.

Because there's a lot that I want to know,

and I feel like I can leave this conversation

with a better understanding and education as to who you are.

I'm amazing, so you're gonna love this.

-Well, then I'm-I'm prepared to be amazed. -(laughs) Yeah.

Uh, first things first. I mean, you got a Bronco.

-You drove a Bronco over here. -I did. I d--

Uh, Dr. Quinn. That's her name. She's forging new paths

in the Western territories.

-(laughs) -You call the Bronco

-Dr. Quinn? -Yes.

Are you-- Have you always been a Bronco lover?

-Or you just wanted to get that? -I love it.

Actually, my friend Matt had one.

Um, we were growing up, and he would take me mudding in it.

-And I thought it was the coolest thing ever. -Mm-hmm.

And when you're poor, basically, that's what you do

when there's-- you have no money. You just go mudding.

-Go mudding. Yes. -Uh-huh. And there's nothing to do,

um, and you can afford gas.

And I loved it. I thought it was so fun.

So, for my birthday a couple years ago, I...

-I bought it for myself. -I had a Bronco.

-I recently sold it. I had a 1966 Bronco. -Oh.

-Same shape. Uh, same-same design. -Ooh.

-Like, literally, top off. Everything. -Yeah.

-Why'd you get rid of it? -Because it was such a hard jump

-in and out. -You know what? I got the thing.

-I'm five-three. I got the step. -You got the step?

-Yeah. -But is it-- But does it come down

or you still got to work to get to the step?

No, mine, it comes all the way down.

-Yeah, mine-mine... -Yeah. Now, I will say, I came today in heels.

I don't generally travel in heels,

-so that was a little... -The jump out.

-Yeah. -The jump out for me. When my kids laughed at me,

I was like, "I'm getting rid of this shit."

-(laughs) -I-I'm dead serious. I had it.

And I was like, "Oh, come outside. See my new truck."

And I had it. I jumped in and jumped out.

They was like, "Dad, that's too big for you."

I was like, "I don't like this no more.

-I'm taking it back." -Well, my other thing

is an F-250. It's a truck.

So, you're a truck--

-You are a truck fanatic? -I do.

I like electric, too, um, but I-I do--

I love going... (chuckles)

I love going to, like, nurseries and Lowe's and things like that.

-I love gardening, and I love... -Okay. Well, first of all,

nurseries and Lowe's.

-Like... -No, nurseries, like, for-for gardening.

-Yeah, yeah. Not, like, for babies. -Okay. You just confused me.

-I was like, "What are you talking about? -No, no.

"You're going to nurseries for babies?

-I ain't got no babies now. -"Hanging out?

-What are you doing?" Okay. -No, no.

-All right. Yeah. -Just dropping hints everywhere.

-(laughs) Any takers? -"Hey, guys!

"Hey, guys! I'm back! -Yeah. (laughs)

-Good to see you all again." -Anybody? Takers? No.

No, like, I just planted an apple tree.

-Mm-hmm. -And I plant, like, fruits

-and, like, flowers and... -My wife is getting into

the whole green thumb thing.

It's really good for you and everyone.

-My kids do it, too, now. -Little bit of truth?

-'Kay. -She's killed every single plant

she's brought in that house.

Little bit of truth? I've killed two.

But that was because I didn't realize--

-'cause I'm-I'm new... -Mm-hmm.

...but, like, you can't water everything

as much as I was watering everything.

Well, isn't it about finding the right position for the plant?

-It's about getting the plant's... -And the sun--

-how many hours. -...personality.

-Talk to the plant. Make sure the plants are truly nurtured. -(laughs)

-Checking the dirt. Not just putting water. -I don't do that.

-Like, she's really into it. She does it all. -Okay.

I've seen every plant die. I'm still supporting it.

-"I've seen ev..." -I still support her.

-That's supportive. I like it. -Yeah. I'm-I'm learning,

-as a husband, to support, no matter what. -Just...

-Well... -And-and, keep in mind,

coming in, these plants don't stand a chance.

-(laughs) -I know it. But I still say,

-"Baby, good job. Good job." -You know they're goners.

-Have you ever planted anything? -No.

-No, it's not my thing. -You would never do--

Even when you were a kid? I feel like, when I was a kid,

like on-- We took field trips to, like, plant trees,

'cause it was the whole thing about, like, the ozone layer.

-Like, we... -Kelly, where do you think I'm from?

-No. I'm just saying, like... -We didn't have plants.

-I w-- What? -We didn't have dirt and grass.

Well, I grew up in two different areas.

So, the beginning of my life till I was, like, 11,

we didn't have that either. But whenever I moved, we-we did.

-What we had is-- You know when cement cracks? -Yeah.

-I grew up with that, too. Yeah. -And then grass accidentally grows

-in between it? We was like, "Ooh, look at that, right there. -"Look!

-Look at that dandelion." (laughs) -"Look at that thing.

-Look at that thing right there." -Make a wish.

-That's it. That's what we had. -Yeah.

Uh, where are you from?

-I'm from Texas. -Okay.

-I'm from two... -Hence the trucks? Is that where the truck...

-the truck love comes from? -Um, no.

I mean, I never really drove a truck when I was in Texas.

-Mm-hmm. -Um, but I-I just like a truck,

because, a-after being married to someone--

I'm now divorced-- but after being married to someone

that was-- you know, was-- I figured out, gah,

you can carry everything in it. Like, if you go to the store...

...you don't have to, like, have it shipped.

You don't have to-- You can just get it yourself,

-and I like that. So... -The throwing in the back of a truck.

-Anything. Okay. I got it. -Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I grew up in trucks,

as far as, like, people, yes, all around me

and my stepfather had a truck. Everybody had trucks.

But I didn't. Um, but I-I also grew up

in two very different neighborhoods.

-But all in Texas? That happened... -All in Texas.

-All in Texas, okay. -And-and literally minutes away.

-Like, they're-- Like, 30 minutes from the next... -Got it.

-And... -Texas is a bunch of small t-- random towns.

Mom-Mom? Dad?

-Together? Not together? -I was with my mom.

No, I didn't grow up with my father. I didn't know him.

-Really? At all? -No. I mean, well,

what I, you know, do know isn't great.

Um, there are some songs about it, but... (chuckles)

But, um, no, I didn't-- I didn't grow up around him.

And, um... and my mom remarried, like, years later.

She was single for a while, and then she-she remarried.

-So, no relationship at all with Dad? -No.

-None at all? Okay. -No. No, which, actually, I'm finding,

um, even last night, Kevin, in therapy,

which is my issue. (laughs)

'Cause there's no bar. If you don't--

If you're not shown that bar at a-- at a young age,

you don't know, like, partner-wise,

what really to look for, and I-I thought I did.

So, when you say "bar," you're talking about the example of...

-Yeah, there's no, like, how you should be treated... -Got it.

...how-how a relationship should look like. -Yeah. Yeah.

Like, all of that, so...

-Wow, that's dope to-to, like, say. -Yeah.

-You know, to... -Yeah, I have no filter when it comes to that.

I mean, I have a filter in the sense of, like-- you have kids--

-so, like, some stuff I keep private, like, for them. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

But, um, I think, unfortunately--

I mean, statistically, a lot of us go through it.

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Your relationship with your mother, I'm assuming, is...

-Are you guys close or-or no? -We're, like-- W-We were--

I mean, we were, like, I guess,

o-okay-close, like, growing up.

It was more-- She worked all the time.

-Mm-hmm. -That's where I get-- Everybody's always like--

-I have, like, five jobs. I love working. -Which you do.

-I know. Well, my mom works a lot, too. -Yes.

And I loved that, because I did see...

I never got that whole experience

where women have to stay home and cook and do whatever.

I never-- Like, how women talk about that.

I had a mom that, like, busted her ass

and, like, worked every--

-any job she had to to put food on the plate. -Mm-hmm.

Like, she was a single mom for a little bit

and then, um... and then remarried.

And then saw her in that relationship,

which-which was a difficult one.

So, um, you know, I-I don't know.

I'm really-- I think my mom-- I don't know about you,

-but I feel like my-my setup... -Same.

kind of prepared me for this industry.

-I swear to you, identical. My mom was... -Y-Yeah.

-Take away the marriage. My mom and my dad never married. -Yeah.

-Interesting. -They were together. Then they just stopped at, like,

a crazy young age

and maybe tampered with the possibility

of getting back together. It never happened.

My mom kind of shut him out.

But my mom was always, you know,

-a job plus another job... -Mm.

...plus school, trying to further her mind and education.

-My mom, too. She put herself through college. -She was-- she was always...

-bop, bop, bop. It wasn't just one. Yeah. -"Bop, bop, bop."

-And that's not intentional. That was a real... -(laughs) Yeah.

-That was a good plug though. (laughs) -She was-- she was always

back-to-back-to-back- to-back-to-back.

-Yeah. -So I do know for a fact

-that's where I got my hustle in life from. -Yeah. I think so, too.

I think-- And it's actually an interesting question

that I ask people in the industry a lot

and, like, just friends, like, if I'm out.

I'm-- I don't know-- Like, 'cause every person I know

-that's really successful in the industry... -Mm-hmm.

Not-- I mean, everyone that I personally know.

Not that this is everyone's story, but...

I think you've had to experience some kind of grief

-or loss or struggle or... -Absolutely.

...to-to be able to emote whatever song... -Hardship.

-Let's call it "hardship." Mm-hmm. -...to be funny onstage,

to be able to really tap into that.

Because I think behind comedy-- I don't even know

if you know this, but I was a cocktail waitress

at a comedy club. That was one of my first jobs.

But I-I learned though--

It was interesting to see that a lot of comedians--

very funny, charismatic, bubbly onstage--

-then the club shuts down and we're all counting money... -Dark. Dark.

...we're doing stuff, and not all of them... -Dark.

...but a lot can go dark.

And I don't think that they're necessarily going super dark.

I think they go quiet, because they've had to--

-You have to give so much energy. -Well, you cut it on.

-You got-- you got to switch, so... -Yeah. But it's like performers.

-It's the same thing. -It mirrors more than you even know.

-Because, you know, there's... -Yeah.

It's like-- it's like the story of the dressing room, right?

-Yeah. -The reason why that dressing room exists

is because, before a performance,

the performer has to have a place

where they can go to prepare

to cut that thing on.

And some people really got to go through a dramatic shift

in personality, in mood, in whatever,

to go, "Okay, now I'm ready."

Some people don't. Some people can go.

Some people can entertain, be loose

and then still go and do what they do.

But there is a switch in all of us

from the person that we are in show

-and the person that we are out of show. -Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And-and it's learning to balance.

I think, you know, for a lot of us,

it's about understanding

how to navigate correctly with that balance.

-And I don't know about you, but, for me... -Balance is hard.

...it was a discovery. H-How did you deal with that,

-uh, in your career? -Ooh, I hit bottom.

And it was from after a performance at Irvine.

I hit, like, a real low.

And it was because I didn't know that balance.

I didn't know that that room was for me.

-You know? To have my own little space. -Mm-hmm.

I always let everybody in. I'm very inclusive.

-Mm-hmm. -I'm, um, not great at boundaries.

-Everybody's pulling. Everybody's pulling. -Every-- Yeah, yeah.

And I just didn't know that I could say no.

I didn't know-- I didn't want to be difficult.

I didn't want to be-- Especially as a woman, like, you know?

So I didn't want to be perceived as bitchy or difficult

-or whatever. -What-what age were you at around this time?

Is this fairly early in the success train

-of Kelly Clarkson? -This is, like, heyday.

-Yeah. This is, like... -And I think that is--

God, I'm such a walking cliché.

It's-- It is al-always in our heyday.

So, like, it's always-- It's always that story

of everybody thinks it's hitting and it's going so well and...

And it's, you know, knowing how to handle that.

And especially at 19, like, being the boss

-of grown men and women around you is, like... -Yeah.

And having to make those decisions.

And especially being raised that, like,

you respect your elders.

Never say anything other than that.

-Absolutely. -Like, and-and you can't, like, tell them what to do.

-Definitely. So it was a hard thing to navigate. -But, also, yours...

yours was, like...

-You were truly thrown... in it. -In it.

-Yeah. -Like, you-- Because what started off as an audition,

as a shot in a million...

Which we thought was a joke.

-Like, you know... -What do you mean? What do you mean,

-"which we thought was a joke"? -We all thought it was kind of a jo--

I mean, we didn't think it was gonna come of anything.

Like, we were the first season. of "American Idol."

So we-we were there for that paycheck

that AFTRA or SAG gives you to, like, pay for some bills.

Like, you know, nobody knew that it would actually come to fr--

-anything would come to fruition. -Mm-hmm.

You know? That's what everyone hopes,

but that doesn't usually happen, you know?

So, um, I-I don't know. It--

We-we got thrown into it.

I will say, I am thankful for that, at the same time.

-Mm-hmm. -Because I think I skipped the surreal part,

like, of, like...

it really doesn't matter to me in the best sense.

Like, it matters, but, like,

it-it matters for what the worth I give it.

-Mm-hmm. -Like, it-- Like, I love what I do and I love singing

and I love, um, you know,

what you're able to do with your spotlight,

but I think because I skipped all that so fast

and I was thrown in, there was no time

for people to really drill me on,

"You have to do this. You have to be this.

-You have to..." You know what I'm saying? -Mm. Mm.

'Cause a lot of-- It's so funny, 'cause people used to think

that you're manufactured, coming from one of those shows.

Well, I actually worked in the industry before that show.

-Mm-hmm. -And they-- I got told to change my sound,

my weight, my look, my whole vibe.

Like, everything. They-- I mean, that was manufacturing someone.

-And-and... -How-how long-- how long were you working...

It was right after high school. I was, like, 18 and 19.

-Um, those years. And, um... -Okay.

And it was... it was hard,

'cause, you know, I was like, "That's not worth it."

It sounds like-- just from hearing you talk now--

you had a... idea of a foundation.

-Yeah. -It sounds like you just had a strong idea

of a hold that-that you were comfortable with having

on yourself and your choices,

-where... -Well, I think if you grew up poor though,

-you're like, "Look, I've been there and I was fine." -You hit the bottom.

-"What-what else-- what else can you do?" -Yeah. "What are you gonna do

-to me?" Yeah, yeah. I was like... -"What else can you do?"

And then-- I don't know if you've had this--

but I've had people throw millions of dollars in my face

to do something I didn't want to do.

And... What?

Just shh. You've been offered-- Yeah.

-Oh. They're in the room. -I'm-- Yeah. I don't want to...

-(laughs) Yeah. -I don't want to--

-That was my way of cueing you. -Shh. Yeah.

-Like, it's open dialogue. -Yeah. You want me to keep talking

-about it then? -By-by all means, let's--

We can talk about anything,

-but... -(laughing)

-But don't do it. -Yeah, I just...

-(stammers) -So just shh.

No, of course. Uh, offered tons, man.

But I've-- I got to a place where I understood

that the dollar... that the dollar

shouldn't shift my will or want.

-Yep. Or happiness. -Like, I don't want that to control

what my journey or destiny is.

And the reason why is because, at one point, it did.

Do you ever get money guilt?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, from where you grew up.

Like, people you grew up around. And then y-you

-get guilty, like, "Man, I made it out..." -Mm-hmm.

...or "I-I made it and I did it and..." Do you ever feel that?

-Humbly speaking... -Yeah.

-I don't feel guilty about what I've... -That's amazing.

-...what I've bust my ass for. -I know.

I shouldn't either, but I do. I-I'm getting better at that.

But that's the thing, that I-I start getting...

Why would you feel guilty? Why would that...

'Cause I know a lot of talented people

-that could've been in my shoes. -Mm-hmm.

That could've been doing what I'm doing.

And I think that talent and busting your ass

has a lot to do with it, but I also do think

a-aligning of the stars a bit, for some of us.

-Absolutely. Absolutely. -Yeah, so...

I don't do it as much. In my 20s,

that was really a difficult thing for me.

Well, like you said, something lined up.

Everything made sense that allowed you to move

the way that you move and get to where you got to.

You can't feel guilt about that, because you getting there

opened up the doors and made it easier

-for the stars that are about to come... -Yeah.

...to-to come through.

Like, your-your path and road--

-think about it. -Mm.

"American Idol." The first season.

-Yeah. -That first season, y'all came out and banged.

And it was, "Oh, my God, the world loves

this discovery of new talent."

-Well, now, season one through... -They did not.

-(chuckles) -Season one through--

-Yeah, they did! What do you mean? -No, they didn't.

Oh, my God, it was horrible.

-The first two to three years... -Really?

...of my career were very hard.

-Why? -There were some nice people, but, no, there were

a lot of pe-- Well, think about it.

I mean-- devil's advocate-- is a lot of people didn’t see

any of the work we put in before that show.

-Mm-hmm. -So they think, "Oh, you just auditioned

"for a talent show, then you won it

and then everything was magical fairy dust after that."

When you say "a lot of people,"

-give me, give me a specific... -I'd say 90%.

But give me a specific of where you're gathering that from.

-Is this-- is this like... -Like, being at award shows.

Like, be-- I mean people in the industry.

-Okay. All right. So we're talking about the industry. -Yeah.

-Yeah. Not the... -So you felt like you guys were judged.

-Not the fans, no. -So you felt like the industry judged you

-because of the platform that you came through. -It was very hard.

Yeah. And I wasn't apologetic for it.

I was like, "Look, that's the door."

That was my door.

Like, and I would gladly walk through it again.

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Don't you feel-- or do you feel--

-'cause I don't want to speak for you... -Yeah.

...that your body of work

started to justify

the decision that was made on that show

for you to be what you were?

Like, as you started putting out albums and music and...

Well, it's interesting that you say that,

because I don't feel-- I feel like, um...

-uh, God, higher power, whatever you believe in... -Mm-hmm.

...I feel like...

(stammers) that entity knows

that I work well under pressure.

I push myself more when people are pushing back.

-Mm-hmm. -I don't know what that means to my therapist out there.

But I just... (chuckles): But-but I-I think,

-because of that, I go harder. -You go harder when you know that you're being doubted.

-'Cause I'm like, "What?" -You're being challenged. "I'm gonna step up more."

-Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yes. -Okay.

But, also, I think what you're talking about--

coming out of the fog-- I think you can't be surrounded

-by yes people with that. I think you have... -Absolutely not.

...to be surrounded by people that'll call you out

-on your shit. -Well, my friends don't like me.

-(laughing) -So I think that's a-- that's a very...

-So... -If you want to know the key--

-you want to know the key to success? -(laughs): Yeah.

-Get friends that don't really like you. -That can't stand you.

-(laughing) -Yeah, that-that, every once in a while,

-you catch just looking at the side of your face... -Yeah.

...thinking, "I'll punch you in the face, Kevin."

You're like, "Man, what you thinking just now?"

That's what your family's for, Kevin. (laughs)

That's-that's the circle that I have around me.

-(clearing throat) -Um, here's-here's a good question.

Are-are you a grudge holder?

-Are you a person that's... -No. I wish I would. (laughs)

-You over-love? Okay. -I over-love.

Um, I am extremely forgiving.

And not to, like, toot my own horn on that.

I mean in a bad way. Because sometimes I forgive so much

that I just keep taking instead of--

And then you-- It's not very compassionate

to let people get away with being something that's not good.

-Got you. Got you. -You know? It's a compassionate thing to go,

"You're kind of being a dick right now.

-Like, you should probably not do that." -Mm-hmm.

And I'm so forgiving and I take on and I take and I take and...

and then there's the day and moment where... (laughs)

-Where-where... -(mimics explosion)

-Yeah. -(chuckles) Yeah.

Are you a, uh...

closed circle or open circle?

Like, can-can people get into Kelly's circle?

I'm very inclusive, yeah.

-Really? -I'm-- Yeah, I'm-I'm--

-I-I will say... -Even at this point in your life?

Yeah. I will say, there are, like...

You get new friends at this point in your life?

Yeah, but I-I think those are generally--

Because I think acquaintances

-can still be considered those friends. -Mm-hmm.

Like, you can run into each other and,

you know, whatever, go to dinner, go to lunch

and you don't have to hang out all the time.

I think 'cause we're all too old for that. We have kids.

We have, like, lives. We have... (stammers) jobs.

But-but I do have a select group of, you know,

I don't know, six to eight really close, like, people,

whether it's family, friends, um, you know, whatnot,

-um, people I work with. Yeah. -That's a good number.

Six to-- That's a good number.

-I'm-I'm saying, like... -Yeah.

-I have a lot of friends though. -...a new person comes in your life,

and it's like, "Oh, this is a nice person.

-We should go out to dinner." And then we build... -Yeah.

"Oh, my God, this is, like, a new close friend of mine."

-Yeah. -At this point, I don't-- I don't have

the capacity for that.

Well, it's not even the capacity though.

-It’s time, right? We have kids. -I don't have the time.

-I don't-- There's no shot. -Yeah. We don't-- Yeah.

-I don't have the time... -I don't think there's any shame

in that, and I-- and I also think

that there's also a season for certain friendships.

I think that there's-- I think, um...

-I like that. -Somebody was just telling me about that.

We were talking about this in my house, actually.

Um, and, um, it was a friend of mine, Deb,

and she was saying, "I was reading this thing called,

you know, 'Relationships Can Come in Seasons.'"

I was like, "I've read something like that, too."

And I think that it's so true. I think people get offended.

But it's not. People come into your life for a certain reason,

and you-you learn from each other, you progress.

And they might move on. You might move on.

Like, that might happen. And I-I don't think

that there's any shame in that. I think that that's just life.

I've never heard of that, but I love that.

We both read it somewhere, and we couldn't figure--

-Probably the same book or something. -I-I love that.

-Yeah. -Seasonal friends.

-Yeah. And it sounds bad... -"Get out of here, fall!"

Now... (laughs)

-"You were just for the fall." -"I'm not ready, winter."

-Yeah. "Back off, summer. -(laughs) Yeah.

-"I'm done with you. -(laughs)

-I know. (chuckles) -"We're done.

-Put the trunks up, Joey." -It sounds bad.

-Yeah. (chuckles) -But it really is true.

-I like that. -'Cause we-we-- I mean, even thinking about my circle.

Like, even my band and I, we were joking.

Um, you know, we were on the road all the time.

-Mm-hmm. -And now my band and I are on a talk show all the time.

So we don't-- we don't hang out with the crew like we used to.

We're never around the crew anymore.

Like, now we're around the TV crew.

-Oh... -So it's like-- Do you know what I'm saying?

You go and you-you end up in different circles

because of happenstance,

-you know... -We share so much synergy.

-Like, you know, me and my guys. -Yeah?

-We were on the road. We toured so much. -Mm-hmm.

So, you know, now you look up,

-tour life has slowed down. -Yeah.

Things are changing.

You find yourself around,

-you know, the-the production set... -Mm-hmm.

...and crew, and some of the friends are a part of that

-and some of them aren't. -And you want to invest 'cause you're there.

Yeah. So your-your time gets divided.

And, like you said, things kind of fade off every now and then.

And then you guys come back.

But our-our work

is trying to keep our-our thing together.

-Yeah. -Like, our-our day-to-day work

as friends that are truly close

is not allowing our...

our comfort at home,

-uh, to provide... -Mm.

...or-or to place distance in what we have.

-Yep. -Because that can easily happen.

-Yep. -When it's all wife and it's all kids,

you know, that day-to-day gets different.

-And, you know, you... -That's hard, too, right?

-You start to put distance. -Coming off the road,

that's always a weird thing for me.

Like, coming off the road, and, like,

it's such a different schedule.

You're not even allowed to go onstage or-or perform

or do anything until, like, well after, you know,

-9:00 usually or 8:30, 9:00. -Mm-hmm.

And then, you know, it's just a different schedule all around.

And then you get home, and it's like,

"Where's my day sheet? Like, what is my schedule?

And, like, why am I up this early?"

-You're so used to-- you're so used to this. -Yeah. It's--

You're so used to-- It's such a hard thing to kind of--

to navigate, so...

-You... -I do like the TV schedule for that reason.

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Did you pick up the-the talk show talent?

-Let's tap into this before-before we wrap th... -What do you mean?

-The talk show talent. Like, you, you know... -Do I pick it?

-Did you pick it up? In other words, hosting a talk show... -Oh.

...you know, was that something that you had

to really get comfortable with?

I will be honest with you. Not just with the-the--

I feel very blessed in the sense that I think a lot of...

just really unfortunate things happened to me as a child

to make me feel so either inadequate or just awkward

or weird that, like, by the time I got to the industry,

even in my first interview, like, on "Jay Leno"

after "Idol," I was really comfortable.

-Yeah. -Like, I n-- I've never felt uncomfortable

because I'm just being me.

So even, like, with the talk show thing,

I know that it's a different thing than what I...

what I normally do, what people see me engage as,

but I am the girl at the dinner party

that is usually leading the conversation.

-Mm-hmm. -I love talking. I love finding out about people.

I love... I think because I genuinely love it,

it-it became nat-- 'Cause right after we finished the pilot,

I was like, "Well, that was easy."

-I was like, "That was fun." -Oh, my God.

You fall into the space of TV.

You find success in the space of TV.

-Which is hard. -Well, not only is it hard,

but, you know, let's just give flowers when flowers are due.

Well, Kelly-- there's somewhat of a golden touch.

Oh, my God. Kelly equals success.

-Like, you're-you're starting... -Not all the time.

-I didn't say-- I didn't say all the time. -No. (laughs)

-In this business, let's just say from the... -Yeah.

-from the outside eye... -Very blessed.

...that there's a high level of success

that's attached to what you do.

And now... going to "The Voice."

-You touched on it. You touched on it for a second. -Yeah.

I think that's the dopest thing ever. Like...

I love doing "The Voice."

I-I think it's the dopest thing ever.

And you said a piece of it.

And no matter what I was gonna get here

-in our conversation anyway... -Mm.

...but I like how it's coming full circle.

-Me, too. -I like the full circle side

-of you now, as you were talking... -Mm-hmm.

...uh, like, as you were talking about it before,

you were like, "Yo, I get to give the information

-of what's gonna happen because of this." -Mm-hmm.

"Hey, don't take this for granted.

"This moment is big, but here's what's gonna happen.

-But you got it. Don't let anybody tell you." -Yep.

Like, you get to act as a different,

-inspiring... voice. -Well, and I get to be

what I-I honestly didn't have.

-What you didn't have. Exactly. -There was-- there was-- There--

I would have loved that, like, anybody to just text

and, you know, just run something by.

-Mm-hmm. -Um, it's been really-- It's funny.

We were talking about this, actually. Um, Brynn and Deb.

Brynn is my first-- Uh, the first season I did "The Voice,"

-season 14, she was my-- the winner of that. -Mm-hmm.

And she was on my team, and she's actually staying with me

right now, she and her mama.

And, um, I-I mean, she-- It's so funny.

I met her at 14 years old,

and she's about to turn 18 years old in my house.

And I'm just-- Just being able to be--

Like, she was-- just performed on my show,

-and I'm just in tears, like, every time I see her. -Why-why is she staying

-with you? -She's got a release.

She's got an EP coming out. And she's also writing in L.A.

with a lot of writers. She's incredible.

Um, but she's just-- And just got into NYU.

-She's doing both. She's balancing both. -You just opened up your doors.

-(stammers) -Yeah, and she's-- Yeah, she's just--

-Yeah, they-they stay with us when they're in town and shoot. -Wow. Wow.

Well, she's kind of like-- Her mom is--

I feel like we're separated sisters, um... (chuckles)

Um, and her-- and-and she's kind of like this little kid sister

but almost could be my kid, too.

Like, she's-she's just a really amazing person.

And I love "The Voice" for that, because I got to--

-I got to be a part of that. Like, I got to... -Mm-hmm.

-I get to be a part of watching this 14-year-old girl... -Mm-hmm.

...like, completely flourish and become who she's gonna be.

-And... -More importantly, you get to be to her

-what you never had. -I didn't have. Yeah.

-And it's really cool. -That strong. That's strong.

Yeah. And it's-- and it sounds super cheesy

-and Hallmark-y, but-but it... -It's not. What-- What is cheesy about that?

Well, I'm just saying, it sounds like, you know,

an after-school special, but it is really--

it is a really, um, beautiful thing that's indescribable.

Whenever you know what it's like to not have someone

-and to be able to actually be that call or that text, yeah. -Absolutely.

What else do you want to do?

What else does Kelly want to do in the business?

Um, you know, I always wanted to do Broadway,

-but I don't-- but I don't think that's gonna happen. -Really?

-Why? -I-- Well...

-I-I-- Well... -"Well. Well."

-(laughing): What is that? -Um, I have a lot of jobs, Kevin.

-Mm-hmm. -And, also, I-I just don't know

if I could do that to my kids at this point.

-You know, they're-- you know, they're in school and stuff. -Mm-hmm.

And I don't know if that-- But I don't know.

Is it, is it a-- is it a dream?

Or is it like just "oh, this would be cool"?

No, I grew up in musical theater, so I--

It was a-- it was definitely a big dream for me forever.

I think, once I had kids, those kind of change.

They alter. But it was definitely a dream of mine,

um, to-to do something. That's how--

I don't like acting, but I love theater.

Like, I love-- Because I know it's acting,

but it's-it's one take.

I love the live aspect.

-Just like tour. Just like you're doing a special. -Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm.

Like, I love the live aspect of it.

I don't like doing a movie or whatnot.

You have to-- you have to be a different level of good

when you do what you do and you're in movies

and you do, like, 50 takes of the same feeling.

Um, I don't like that. But I-- but I like the one...

the one take of it. I think that there's something beautiful

and special about it, because then every night is different.

-Mm-hmm. -And I think that that's cool.

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Are you a homebody when given the opportunity?

-Yes. Mm-hmm. -Yeah?

I used to be... Like, in my...

(stammers) As a teenager, in my 20s, I was everywhere.

Literally, I'd go to Europe on a f...

just on the fly, like, just-- And I-I'd do anything.

And I think watching my mother um, just struggle so much,

and I feel like she didn't get to do a lot in her 20s.

-My-- I lived my 20s up. -Mm-hmm.

Like, I went everywhere I wanted to go.

I hung out with-- I-I seized every opportunity.

Even if the vacation was-- ended up weird,

I still was like, "I did it." Like...

So, I think, at this point in my life, I'm 38 years old.

-I have two kids that I think are freaking awesome. -Mm-hmm.

And now I'm playing wolf pack in the backyard with them.

-(chuckles): Like... -That's the best.

Yeah. So it's just different.

So I'm more of a homebody now.

-Motherhood. I mean, of course... -Yeah.

-I-I hear you talking about it now. -It's hard. Mm.

-Yeah. -I can tell that you embraced it. But give me your perception

of, you know, you from then to you now,

-dealing with kids and stuff. What is that like for you? -Yeah.

Well, I don’t know about you, but I didn't ever want kids.

-I didn't ever want to get married. -Really?

-Yeah. No, I never wanted kids. -You just popped two of 'em out.

My mom, still to this day, will be like,

"So, you have children." (laughs) Like...

'Cause you-you really just didn't want kids.

-I was very much a gypsy, like... -Can I have another one?

Uh, another glass of wine, please?

Did-- (chuckles): Yeah. I'm still working.

Um, no. I-I did. I didn't think I'd ever have children.

-I didn't think I'd ever get married. -Why didn't you want kids?

-Why? -Um, I didn't want--

I-- Once again, I-I think I saw my mom,

all that responsibility, all of that on her,

and I just felt like she missed out on a lot of life.

I just-- And I didn't want to be selfish with that.

I really loved my career. I didn't want to have kids

in my 20s. I didn't want to do that.

And-and until I met my ex-husband--

Like, you know, I met him, and he already had kids.

-And I thought, "Well, this is kind of cool." -Mm-hmm.

Like, I like doing homework. I like going to do these things.

-And so... -Wow. So you found the love based off of...

-I found that. So then I-- so then I'm so glad I did. -Wow.

It's the coolest thing. I don't think you have to have children

to be fulfilled in life, but it is the coolest thing ever.

-It's a different switch. -It is.

-It's a different switch. -And it's hard.

It is-- They are sponges,

and they will call you out on your shit

-more than anyone on the planet. -Absolutely.

But, um... but it's-- I don't know.

I-I-- It's-it's a wonderful thing, and I-I love my timing.

-Mm-hmm. -I-I think I loved how I timed it.

I didn't have a kid till I was, like, 31.

And what's important at home? Is, like-- is there--

Is family dinner important? Is there-- is there a system

-in the house that you follow? -Yeah.

Based off of what your life wasn't when you came up,

-what have you put into your life... -Yeah.

-...that-that is a clear change? -No, that's interesting

that you say that, 'cause we weren't always able

to have that. Like, we didn't have, like,

-family dinner time or anything like that. -Mm-hmm.

So, um-- And then now I'm a single mom,

so it's definitely important to, like--

I-I make them sit. We do have special nights

on weekends, mostly, um,

where I-- we watch a movie while eating.

-Mm-hmm. -Um, but, most times, I make us sit at the little...

breakfast table or whatever.

I'm big on the family activity.

I am the corniest dad.

-I am the cheesiest mom. -I-I bet I'm cheesier.

-I bet you're not. -I-I will-- I will...

-My son's birthday... -Kelly, I will make a financial bet with you

-on "Hart to Heart" right now that you cannot out-cheese me. -Dude.

I... I'm not sure.

What did you do for Easter this year?

-Okay, in my defense... -Okay, no!

-No! I already beat you! (laughs) -Okay, listen. Well, no.

-I'm-a throw-- I'm gonna throw my wife under the bus. -Okay, go.

-All right. I'm gonna throw my wife under the bus. -And I'm gonna hop

-on top of mine, 'cause I was amazing. -I'm gonna throw my wife

under the bus. So, look, for Easter this year...

Um, you know, we have our youngest, Ori.

-Mm-hmm. -Kaori is... seven months now.

-Wow. -Zo, Kenzo is three.

Then we got 16 and 14.

So, Heav and Do are older,

-and it's more about the family dinner, right? -Mm-hmm.

So, with the younger kids, it was like,

"All right, we're-we're gonna eat dinner.

We're gonna do, like, a little brunch and dinner."

So we didn't really focus on the egg hunt.

Last minute, my wife was like, "You know what?

No, I got to do an egg hunt."

I literally saw my wife

grab six plastic Easter eggs

and throw 'em like a hand grenade. (grunts)

She just threw 'em outside. It was like,

"Zo, go get the eggs! Find 'em!"

I was like, "That's not really a search."

-(laughing) -He just kind of, like...

He clearly saw where they landed,

and he was like, "Got 'em, Mommy!"

And she was like, "Good job, Zo!" Close the door.

-That Easter egg hunt was over in seven minutes. -Oh. Oh, my gosh.

So, I didn't put the time in this year.

-It's fine. You failed. Um, I... -Okay. I did. I-- Damn it.

-Um, instead of having them filled with chocolate nonstop... -Damn it!

-Okay. -...I had little tiny toy gifts

and I tied balloons to each one and they all--

they had-- both had different colored balloons

and they had to go find their balloons, like, in our--

-We have a pretty good backyard for L.A. -Mm-hmm.

And, um... And so, yeah, there were little--

So they didn't have just a ton of sugar.

I gave them some sugar. I'm not that mom.

-But I-- But they... -Last time you guys all dressed up alike?

-Oh, we just dressed-- Alike? -Alike.

-All the same. -Well, we had similar colors.

We don't ever dress identical,

-but we have similar color patterns. -Ha!

It's a Black family tradition

-to put on the same thing at least four times... -(laughs)

(chuckling): ...in your-- in your-- in-in your...

-in your household. -We did just take family pictures.

Okay. What was the family-- Give me a family picture.

We were in the backyard and on a little picnic table.

-Okay. -And it was very cute, with all the, like...

Have you ever seen my holiday pictures?

Have you seen mine?

I do themed... I do themed holiday pictures.

We have done that as well.

So, like, uh, our last...

Well, no, I'm-a tell you the best Christmas one we did.

The best Christmas one, I did a-a green screen...

-Wow. -...photo shoot where we-we acted like elves.

-We all have the elves' ears and stuff like that. -(chuckles)

And it was like acting like we were ducking.

We did something like we were climbing on a roof.

And they, like, with the green screen,

in the photo, captured us inside a snow globe,

-trying to escape. -Oh, I love it.

Us, coming up and climbing on top of Santa's roof,

-and we were all, like, one by one behind each other. -You top me there.

Uh, on the roof, we were acting like we were sitting

and our legs were swinging.

-(chuckles) -We had someone sitting on a chimney.

But I like to be creative,

-and it pisses my kids off. -Yeah.

-Oh, really? -'Cause I-- 'cause I overdo it.

-Oh. -I overdo it. Halloween.

-"All right. What is it gonna be this year?" -"All right!"

-I get hyped. "All right!" -(laughing)

We get into it, too. I had a-- I have a Halloween tree now.

-Like, not just Christmas. -A Halloween tree.

Yeah, I put the tree up that's for Christmas.

Then I-- we decorate it with--

They love the-the scary, weird...

-What is-- "Nightmare Before Christmas"? -You decorate...

-How are children not frightened by this movie? I don't know. -Wait. Wait.

So you decorate a Christmas tree with Halloween decorations?

Yes, and then you take it down, and then you put up

-Christmas ones. -I've never heard of that.

No, ne-- me neither. I started this year.

-I'm just-- I'm a trendsetter. -Is this like a--

-So this is a self-generated thing? -(laughs) Yes.

-You're not following, like, a thing? -That was, like-- Well, my kids

are in love with "The Nightmare Before Christmas."

Like, my son will ask me to legit play the soundtrack

on the way to school.

-We have to listen to that. -I-I love the...

the decorating the tree

-in Halloween stuff. -Yeah.

We are always crafting. We have an actual craft room.

-It's a playroom. -Are you a big trick-or-treater?

-"Kids, let's go." -We were until COVID.

-Okay. -But, yes, we-we trick-or-treated every--

-Yeah. We were big-- Yeah. -I like that. Kelly, I love that.

-I love-- I... -I'm corny. Yeah.

-This is where-- This is why. -And I dress up with my children.

-This is why. -Yeah, and I spend, like, 20 minutes on their costume

-and an hour on mine. (laughs) -Yeah. No, you got to.

-No, you-you got to bring it. You got to bring it. -(laughs): Yeah.

-Mommy's gonna look amazing. (laughs) -At the end of the day,

-fuck them kids. I'm gonna-- I'm-a look the way... -Yeah. (laughs)

-I-I'm-- Dad's gonna step out, too. -Yeah. (laughs)

-It's more about me than it is about you guys. -They don't even want

-to do it. (chuckles) -Um, no, I love that.

-I love-- I love that we share that. -Me, too.

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-Give me your most traumatic, like, stage... experience. -I...

I will say, um... Well, I don't know if you've had this happen.

Have you ever gotten, like, food poisoning

and had to go onstage?

-I shit on myself onstage. -Oh, did you?!

-Swear to God. -Oh, my God.

It almost happened at Staples Center.

-I swear to God, I shit on myself. -And once in Germany.

-I sh-- Watch this. Joey? -Mm?

Where were we at when I shit on myself?

-Oslo. -Norway.

-Norway. -Norway. We were in Norway.

Mine was, uh, G-- almost Germany. Almost Staples Center.

So, you had almost? I-I want to make this very clear.

-Let me-- let me-- No, let... -There is no almost.

-Let me be clear. -There's no almost.

What I did to these trash cans...

-No, no, no. -...is-is-is ungodly.

It-it-- I-I don't know what I ate,

but I was like-- I literally was like,

"If I don't walk off this stage right now,

I'm going to shit myself in front of thousands of people."

And that was pretty traumatic. I was sweating.

-Mm. -You shit yourself onstage?

-Let me give you a little play-by-play here, Kelly. -(laughter)

-No... -Uh, first of all, nobody shits themselves on purpose, okay?

-(laughs) Did you trust a fart? Like... -Uh, you know, I was a--

-I was a firm believer-- I wasn't feeling well. -(laughing)

But the show must go on. We're out of the country.

-I don't have time to shut this show down. -Oh, my God.

-Oh, my God. -We got thousands of people. I got 13,000, 14,000 people

-out there. I can't cancel this show. -What?

I'm not feeling good, but I'm-a soldier through.

I go backstage before the show.

I sit on the toilet for about an hour,

-and I just sit there. -Man.

"Please, God, whatever has to come out,

-let it all come out now." -Let it come out now.

-Mm-hmm. I've had that prayer. -Granted, things came out. Right?

-I won't get too vulgar with it. -Yeah.

-But I distributed. I distributed. -I've been there.

(laughing)

Get the knock on the door.

"Mr. Hart, they're ready for you."

-Are they? -I hear my security.

"Kev! It's time to roll!" "Cool."

I stand up, look at myself in the mirror.

Got to be honest, I wasn't looking too good.

-(laughing) -I wasn't looking too good.

-I saw it. I saw it in my face. -I knew it wasn't good.

-(whimpers) -I was just like, "I look weak, whatever,

but I'm-a turn it on."

Uh, I get to-to the hallway, walk to the stage.

-I hear the music and stuff. Start to play-- say my name. -Are you sweating?

-Do you have the s... -Lights hit me. I'm not sweating.

-I'm not sweat-- I'm not a-- I'm not a sick sweater. -Oh.

It's-it's a feeling. It's all within.

-I'm all of it. -Lights hit.

-Mm. -Kelly, I turn it on.

-"What's up?! Norway, what's going on?!" -Yeah. Yeah.

I'm-I'm in a groove. Kelly, I am killing.

My sickness is a second thought.

-It's not even a priority. -Back burner.

I get to my final seven minutes.

-Oh, my God. -My final seven minutes.

I feel it.

I say, "You got to be shitting me."

-And-and you did. -I said. At this point, I'm talking to myself.

I'm talking to myself. But, at the same time,

I'm talking to God. And I don't argue with God.

-But this one, we kind of had some words. -(laughing)

I'm like, "You got to be-- you got to be shitting me, man.

You done let me make it this far?"

-I start rushing through the bit. -Yes.

-I start-- My closer is a long closer. -Mm.

-"Yeah, man! That's what I'm trying to..." (speaking rapidly) -(laughs)

-I'm spitting it out. -You're like a-- like an auctioneer.

-I'm spi-- I'm spitting it out. -(laughs)

-Kelly, it got to a point... -Ah.

It got to a point where I said,

"There's no way that I can make..."

I-I-- If I take a step, it's gonna happen.

-Oh, my... -And I made the decision, and I was--

-I remember looking these people in the face. -(laughing)

I looked these people-- This was-- These people--

I looked these people in the face.

I said, "Fuck it."

-(chuckles): And I just... -(laughter)

I-I had, like, a-a little trench coat on,

and I wrapped it around my waist.

And after I wrapped it around my waist, I said,

-"Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop." I said... -(laughing)

I said, "There it is." (chuckles) And I...

and I-I finished the show, and I was like, "Good night!"

-And I walked off that stage. -(whoops)

-Please tell me you said "deuces." (laughing) -No.

I-I gave 'em deuce-- I gave 'em deuce--

-I gave 'em-- Deuces! -Deuces!

I walked off that stage.

My security was like, "Good show, man." I said, "Thanks."

He said, "What is-- what is that? You farted?"

-I said, "That's shit. Get me to the bathroom, man." -(laughs)

-That's actual shit. -Hey. I left...

-I left those jeans. -Oh, my God.

-(laughs) -And till this day, I know

that somebody that night came across those jeans...

-In the trash? -Yeah. I had my-- The jeans.

-Yeah. -I walked out with just a jacket around my waist.

-No pants, no drawers. -Wow.

And I-I went to put some sweatpants on,

and I said, "Let's go."

-That was my... -I was almost there, but that didn't happen.

-I-I ran off. -Yeah. You ran off?

-Well, here's the difference for me. -Did you close?

I-- No, and let me tell you what I did.

I didn't run off. I was very, like, professional about it.

I was like... And it was during, like, a little inter-interlude

of the song where the band was kind of playing anyway,

and I just kind of like, "Yeah." Uh, beads of sweat

-and just kind of, like, walked off... -(laughing)

...and then was just, like, dead dash,

like, to the-- to the nearest--

Actually, Germany was a bathroom.

And-and, yeah, my-my makeup artist ran down.

She was making my hair on the road. And she came in, she goes,

"What's the-- Oh, my God!"

-Oh, man. It's a horror film. -(laughs): She was just, like...

I was-- I got sick. Like, you can't--

-Like, what do you do? -Nothing.

Like, and then, my band,

they didn't know what song to--

They didn't know if I quit the music industry.

They had no idea what happened. They're just left on the stage.

So you couldn't leave the stage. There's no one else there.

-There's the awkward look for you. -I left the stage

with the band there. And they're just jamming.

So they come back-- I come back,

and my bandleader didn't know what song to play.

So he just picked one that-that-- you know,

out of the setlist, that wasn't s--

just to, like, jam until I maybe came back.

He didn't know what was happening.

And he played this song,

and, um, the beginning of the lyrics--

no shit-- are--

I came back onstage. I was like, "Okay, I'll just pop in

"and I'll just start singing like nothing--

"It was fine. I just went pee. I'm so feminine

(laughs): and-and dainty."

And-and so I walk back in, and, literally,

the first lyrics out of my mouth are,

"Looks like I made a mess again."

-(laughs): I know. I was like... -Oh, no. You can't write that.

-I was like, "What?" Yeah. -You can't write that. You can't write that.

That's what it was. It was "How I Feel."

-That was the song. -Those are the opportunities

-that make us who we are. -Yeah.

-Builds character. -Yeah. Happened in Staples Center, too.

Everybody's cheering me on. I feel like everybody

was cheering me on while I was just destroying a trash--

They were like, "Kelly! Kel..."

Meanwhile, I-- me and a trash can are going to war.

-I want to-- I want to set the record straight... -Yeah.

...in Kelly's stomach is weaker than mine.

-I had one. I gave you one story. -(laughs) I had two in 20 years!

-I got-- I had one. -In 20 years, I had two.

-Serial shitter over here. Right? -(laughs) No!

-I had two! -We got a s-- Yeah.

-And they were different decades! -It doesn't matter.

-I'm just saying. -Two is-- two is too many.

It was-- Yeah.

Well, you're in different countries.

-You eat different things. -I love it.

-I love that we could talk about it. -Yeah.

-And that's what this show is about. -Yeah. It happened.

It's about being that comfortable.

I have been cheered on while pooing.

-(laughs) -(chuckles): Kelly. Kelly,

I want to cheers you.

-I love that we end with that. -No, no.

-(laughs) -Yes. What are you talking about? You don't--

-We don't follow that. Where do we go from there? -You can't follow shit.

No, man. But I do want to say I love you.

I admire you. I appreciate you for coming on.

Yo, and I think it's dope as hell

that you are unapologetically you.

-Oh, thank you. -At the end of the day,

you just continue to go and grow.

That's what it should be. That's what it always will be.

-I like you for the same reason. -So, shine.

-There we go. All right. -Shine. Good for you.

Kelly Clarkson, guys! Show some love.

Oh, what an interview. What a day, huh?

-Is there a trash can? -No! Don't! Not here!

-Not here! -(laughing)

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