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You need to tell me
something. There's a woman.
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She's the leader.
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Previously on "The
Walking Dead"...
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Oh, my God. You made it.
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We found each
other in the woods.
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We didn't know if
you'd survived.
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He told me there were a lot more
out there than we thought...
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More than twice the
force we have in here.
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You were right about this one.
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He is family now.
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We got to go. Connie's
out there, alive.
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No!
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Look! Look!
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Sorry. Sorry. I'm just... No.
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No. It might be a house.
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We could hide.
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Go.
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We'll make better time
if I ride out on my own.
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It's less risky, and we're
gonna cover more ground
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with a larger group. The Council's
working on a plan right now.
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Connie doesn't have time
to wait on a committee.
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Well, why don't we split the
difference between fast and safe?
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Teams of two. We could divide
the map up into smaller grids.
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It could reduce the risk.
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Hey. Any of you seen Kelly?
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Unh!
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Okay.
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Uh...
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I checked the whole house.
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We're okay. Nobody's here.
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You need...
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"You need...
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some rest."
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You haven't slept in days.
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"I can keep watch."
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"We will find...
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your home."
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You... sleep.
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Listen.
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Rest.
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Huh?
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Okay.
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-Tell us where they are!
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Carver: My dance
card's wide open, man.
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We got all day.
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This bother you?
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I've done worse.
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Hm.
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Why don't you take a turn, then?
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Pope: Speed things up for me.
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All right. I'm up.
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Like hell you are!
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Well, are we just
gonna stand here
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staring at each other dreamily
or are we gonna get to it?
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Hey, you kill him, the two of
us are gonna have a problem!
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Don't need a babysitter.
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I know what I'm doing.
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Just give 'em a location,
where your friends are hiding.
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You do that, this all goes away.
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That's, uh...
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That's a good offer.
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Or... and hear me out...
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you all could go
eat shit instead.
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Just a thought.
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Already gone
through these steps.
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Maybe we start taking pieces.
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Frost: You do
what you gotta do.
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Give him a knife.
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I don't think you understand.
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I'm the best shot you got.
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Why? We "friends" now?
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No. Not 'cause we're friends.
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'Cause I'm the one
holding the knife.
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Yeah.
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And your buddy's the
one holding the gun.
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Shut up!
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Shut up and listen to me.
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I know you're close to her.
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The leader.
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Close enough to know
where they're hidin'.
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No one needs to die in here.
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So just say a location so
we can all walk away happy.
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Go to hell, assho...
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Location!
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Or I take another!
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I can't!
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Location!
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No! No! Please stop! Location!
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Yellow house.
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Town off the 283.
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Antenna. Antenna.
Antenna. Antenna.
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Is that good enough?
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I can scout it out.
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Take a squad. Three of you.
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See if our friend speaks truth.
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You want us to take him?
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Wait. What happened?
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S-Slow down. I
don't understand.
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What...
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Looks quiet. No movement.
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Two entrances. Breach both?
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By twos. You take Powell.
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Washington, Fish, go around
the back of the yellow house.
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What about dickhead?
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Am I supposed to believe
he's got my back?
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No, that's myjob.
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Always.
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Clear!
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Clear!
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Clear!
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Clear!
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It's all clear, Carve.
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That son of a bitch
jerked us around.
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We should stay, look around for
a bit, so we don't miss nothing.
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No, we'll search the
rest of the town first.
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Quick and quiet, in case
they're still nearby.
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You three, take the
north end and work back.
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We'll meet you in
the middle. Copy.
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Whoa.
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Where are you?
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My grandfather's house
used to have one of these.
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I'd secretly shove
stuff in there.
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Uh...
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I-I'm sorry. I
don't see anything.
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I'm sure you saw something...
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but...
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But you haven't slept.
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So maybe it's...
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Y-Yeah. 'Cause...
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Okay, okay. Okay. I'm sorry.
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You and me, let's give the
house another sweep, okay?
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Connie!
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Hungry!
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Clear!
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Over here!
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They're still wet.
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Guess he was telling
the truth, then.
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We should clear the other rooms.
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Clear! Clear!
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Clear!
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Clear!
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Nothing.
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Maybe they went out the
back. I can track them.
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Are you in a hurry to leave?
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What?
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Other building, you
wanted to stick around
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and make sure we
didn't miss anything.
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Now you wanna run
right off. Which is it?
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Look, man, I'm just
trying to help.
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Yet you keep chirpin'.
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Fine. You lose 'em, it's
on you. It ain't on me.
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Stop.
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Wash, we need a perimeter check.
Possible runners. Half a klick.
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Washington: Copy that, Shaw.
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Look. I don't have time
for this toddler bullshit.
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Listen... I know.
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I understand, but
I don't need it.
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Go sift upstairs, make sure
we didn't miss anything.
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Don't.
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Don't what?
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You're either with
us or you're not.
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What do you want me to do?
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For one thing... stop
pissing off Carver.
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Usually don't end well.
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Come on.
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Please.
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Please. Just a...
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Just a little bit...
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more!
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Whoa! Kelly?
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Awesome.
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You need help?
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What the hell were you thinking?
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You should have told us
that you were heading out.
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Come here.
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I'm fine.
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But Connie's not.
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I found her camp.
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She's with some guy
who knew Michonne.
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They left in a hurry.
Something's not right.
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She thought they
were being followed.
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She's out there.
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She's scared.
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She needs me.
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And if...
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if something happened to her...
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No. We're gonna
find her first.
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Yeah.
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Come on. Let's get movin'.
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Hungry!
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Oh! Oh, God. Connie.
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Come on. I got you. Come on.
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Oh, God.
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They ran. They ain't
comin' back here.
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What?
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I mean, think about
it. You hit 'em hard.
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Even if they get more people,
they won't come back here.
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00:32:10,076 --> 00:32:11,904
It's a bad move.
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You got what? 20
people in your town.
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You got weapons.
You got walls.
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You'd see them coming
from a mile away.
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Trust me. They ran.
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00:32:19,694 --> 00:32:21,696
Is there a point to any of this?
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Let's go. There's nothing
here. It's time we move on.
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No. We're missing something.
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Fine. Let's waste another
hour. That's smart. Daryl...
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It's not my fault he's too
stupid to pay attention!
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Yeah. Chirp, chirp, chirp.
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Enough. Ah, screw that.
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This dirtbag wants to play,
I'll teach him the rules.
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I'm right here,
man. Make a move.
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00:32:41,629 --> 00:32:44,067
This is not the time, and
it's not your call to make.
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Jesus, Shaw.
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00:32:45,938 --> 00:32:49,072
We both know who he
really is deep down.
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What?
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I was there. Remember?
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After.
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What, you think this is
gonna end any different?
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00:32:58,385 --> 00:33:01,954
So this is what? You
looking out for me?
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Always.
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Uh-huh.
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00:33:04,391 --> 00:33:07,829
Gotcha.
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00:33:07,873 --> 00:33:10,745
And what about the fire?
224
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When Pope locked me in
the cabin and lit it up.
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00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:18,275
You must have known.
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Was that you looking
out for me, too?
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Shaw. Wake up.
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Everything's a test now.
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If you think this guy is
ever gonna give a shit
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about any of us,
you're gonna fail.
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00:33:31,766 --> 00:33:34,160
No, he's right.
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I don't give a shit
about any of you.
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Except you.
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I'm here for you.
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It's no secret.
I made mistakes.
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But I'm here right now.
237
00:33:44,997 --> 00:33:49,088
Maybe I'd be better at it
this time, if you'd let me.
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00:33:51,221 --> 00:33:54,180
And Pope scares
the shit outta me.
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00:33:54,224 --> 00:33:57,792
I don't wanna be face-first
in the fire under his boot.
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00:33:57,836 --> 00:34:01,100
But if you say trust
'em, I'll trust 'em.
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00:34:05,061 --> 00:34:06,541
We've wasted enough
time here already.
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Oh, you're not
seriously gonna...
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It's time to move on.
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Sure. Your call.
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Hold on.
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Told ya.
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Which way?
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We could split up, check
both trails, double back.
249
00:35:10,474 --> 00:35:14,173
Storm's coming. We
should stick together.
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00:35:14,217 --> 00:35:16,828
It's up to you. Which way
do you think she went?
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That way.
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They led us here.
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00:35:38,893 --> 00:35:41,853
I've never seen
people this far gone.
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To herd us, like prey.
255
00:35:51,863 --> 00:35:54,126
But we're not.
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I'm getting you out.
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We'll make a run for it.
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Take this.
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00:36:11,883 --> 00:36:14,712
No matter what happens...
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you have to keep going.
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With or without
me. Don't stop.
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Just...
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No. No, no, no,
no, no. Please.
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Just take it.
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00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:55,318
I don't know how
to explain. Um...
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But I don't have a choice.
267
00:37:03,804 --> 00:37:08,548
I lost myself...
for a long time.
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Off the map.
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And I, um...
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I made choices
271
00:37:19,211 --> 00:37:22,170
that I can't un-choose.
272
00:37:22,214 --> 00:37:24,608
But she gave me another chance.
273
00:37:24,651 --> 00:37:26,392
Michonne.
274
00:37:26,436 --> 00:37:28,568
She pointed me back to the road,
275
00:37:28,612 --> 00:37:33,269
and somehow that road
led right to you.
276
00:37:35,314 --> 00:37:37,534
So I have to pass
on that chance,
277
00:37:37,577 --> 00:37:40,014
or it all means nothing.
278
00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:41,538
And if you can...
279
00:37:45,672 --> 00:37:49,154
If you...
280
00:37:49,197 --> 00:37:51,722
can find your family...
281
00:37:53,593 --> 00:37:55,987
No, no. No.
282
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:58,206
Listen, listen, listen.
283
00:37:58,250 --> 00:38:01,645
I need you to promise me
284
00:38:01,688 --> 00:38:05,213
that you will keep going,
no matter what happens.
285
00:38:16,486 --> 00:38:18,575
Together?
286
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,280
Together.
287
00:38:33,024 --> 00:38:34,591
Time's up.
288
00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:09,930
Go. Go. Go, go. Go, go!
289
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,592
Go!
290
00:39:30,995 --> 00:39:33,258
Go. Get out.
291
00:41:28,634 --> 00:41:30,593
Go.
292
00:42:35,658 --> 00:42:39,009
They were there.
293
00:42:39,052 --> 00:42:41,881
Caught signs, but
they slipped away.
294
00:42:41,925 --> 00:42:45,015
Sorry.
295
00:42:45,058 --> 00:42:47,234
Ooh.
296
00:42:49,933 --> 00:42:52,718
I thought you'd be disappointed.
297
00:42:52,762 --> 00:42:55,155
Well, this day was a success.
298
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:56,287
How so?
299
00:42:56,330 --> 00:42:57,941
After you left,
300
00:42:57,984 --> 00:43:01,031
I continued the
"discussion" with our guest.
301
00:43:01,074 --> 00:43:03,599
He wasn't too talkative.
302
00:43:05,078 --> 00:43:09,082
But I got everything
I needed out of him.
303
00:43:58,262 --> 00:43:59,567
The world is different now...
304
00:43:59,611 --> 00:44:02,179
Fewer people to fight for,
305
00:44:02,222 --> 00:44:04,398
there's fewer things
to fight over.
306
00:44:04,442 --> 00:44:07,445
You're saying you'd
do things differently?
307
00:44:07,488 --> 00:44:10,753
If I could do it all over again?
308
00:44:10,796 --> 00:44:12,189
Yeah.
309
00:44:12,232 --> 00:44:16,106
Your people need help.
I can deliver for you.
310
00:44:16,149 --> 00:44:19,500
Your brothers are dead,
are you not ashamed?!
311
00:44:31,817 --> 00:44:35,560
It was so great to have
Lauren Ridloff back finally.
312
00:44:35,603 --> 00:44:37,388
We had been planning
for a long time
313
00:44:37,431 --> 00:44:39,042
to bring her back
in this episode,
314
00:44:39,085 --> 00:44:40,739
and we'd sort of,
like, shaped the story,
315
00:44:40,783 --> 00:44:43,307
and we wanted to give
her, like, a big reentry
316
00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:45,309
into the show.
317
00:44:47,615 --> 00:44:50,357
We loved having Kevin
Carroll back as Virgil,
318
00:44:50,401 --> 00:44:52,403
and I think what
was important for us
319
00:44:52,446 --> 00:44:56,363
is to show that
Virgil was affected
320
00:44:56,407 --> 00:44:57,974
by meeting Michonne,
321
00:44:58,017 --> 00:45:01,281
and I think he had to
suppress some of his heart
322
00:45:01,325 --> 00:45:04,850
to kind of, like, get through
the death of his family,
323
00:45:04,894 --> 00:45:07,592
and he sort of
made that decision
324
00:45:07,635 --> 00:45:11,248
to try stepping out and
finding society again.
325
00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,599
Of course, he found
everything was just abandoned
326
00:45:14,642 --> 00:45:17,167
because our people were
fleeing the Whisperers,
327
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:19,604
but, fortunately, he
comes across Connie,
328
00:45:19,647 --> 00:45:23,521
and I think he feels like he
wants to do better in the world.
329
00:45:23,564 --> 00:45:25,262
And so there's a
real selflessness
330
00:45:25,305 --> 00:45:27,220
that you see in Virgil here.
331
00:45:27,264 --> 00:45:28,831
He has some skills, you know,
332
00:45:28,874 --> 00:45:30,441
and when Connie's
about to be attacked,
333
00:45:30,484 --> 00:45:32,878
like, he gets her out of the
way and takes the brunt of that
334
00:45:32,922 --> 00:45:35,315
even though it means he
gets injured pretty badly,
335
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:36,882
and I think we're
starting to see
336
00:45:36,926 --> 00:45:39,885
probably who he
truly is at the core.
337
00:45:46,805 --> 00:45:51,723
So, this episode, we were
talking very, very, early on,
338
00:45:51,767 --> 00:45:53,420
and one of the things
that we talked about
339
00:45:53,464 --> 00:45:55,118
was, like, we would love to do
340
00:45:55,161 --> 00:45:58,556
just a good, old fashioned
haunted-house horror story
341
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,254
because that just
seemed really fun,
342
00:46:01,298 --> 00:46:03,822
and we just were talking
about how people become
343
00:46:03,866 --> 00:46:05,519
too far gone in this world,
344
00:46:05,563 --> 00:46:07,304
and we've seen people
who are cannibals,
345
00:46:07,347 --> 00:46:10,046
we've talked about people
that Maggie had run across,
346
00:46:10,089 --> 00:46:13,049
we've seen the Whisperers,
and we were just talking about
347
00:46:13,092 --> 00:46:14,920
people that have gone
completely feral,
348
00:46:14,964 --> 00:46:16,443
and what kind of desperation
349
00:46:16,487 --> 00:46:18,315
would it take to
get to that point?
350
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:23,842
Greg Nicotero and his KNB Group,
351
00:46:23,886 --> 00:46:26,062
they did all the creature design
352
00:46:26,105 --> 00:46:29,456
and made these people
unique from zombies
353
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:32,416
and have their own sort
of terrifying look.
354
00:46:38,509 --> 00:46:40,598
There's that set
deck where you see
355
00:46:40,641 --> 00:46:44,341
the pictures on the wall and
the eyes are scratched out.
356
00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:47,344
"A," we thought that's
creepy, so that's really fun,
357
00:46:47,387 --> 00:46:50,129
but in the backstory of
it, we actually do think
358
00:46:50,173 --> 00:46:53,567
that those are
pictures of relatives
359
00:46:53,611 --> 00:46:56,744
or even some of the
people who became ferals
360
00:46:56,788 --> 00:46:58,703
and are living in that house.
361
00:46:58,746 --> 00:47:02,707
And as they sort of descended
into a much more feral state,
362
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:06,754
they just started destroying
the vestiges of their humanity.
363
00:47:06,798 --> 00:47:10,758
So we totally had a story
reason why we did that,
364
00:47:10,802 --> 00:47:12,325
but at the same
time, we also thought
365
00:47:12,369 --> 00:47:15,241
it just looked, like,
super weird and creepy.
366
00:47:15,285 --> 00:47:17,896
One of the things that
was interesting for us
367
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:21,117
in doing this episode
was just picking
368
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,336
which point of view
that you're in.
369
00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:26,165
For the average viewer,
you're just gonna assume
370
00:47:26,209 --> 00:47:29,386
that the default is being,
like, a hearing viewer,
371
00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:32,171
and I think it's interesting
to sometimes kind of flip that
372
00:47:32,215 --> 00:47:35,174
because they are
experiencing the same events
373
00:47:35,218 --> 00:47:36,741
in slightly different ways.
374
00:47:36,784 --> 00:47:38,786
It became really
interesting to go, like,
375
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:41,833
"Maybe we play the sound
to him in his point of view
376
00:47:41,877 --> 00:47:44,880
but you don't play it when
we're in her point of view."
377
00:47:47,404 --> 00:47:50,015
To me, the best horror,
it really is like
378
00:47:50,059 --> 00:47:53,410
you're touching on the
entire range of human emotion
379
00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:55,760
and the human experience,
and I think that, like,
380
00:47:55,803 --> 00:47:59,329
she just captured all of that
so seemingly effortlessly.
381
00:47:59,372 --> 00:48:01,418
I know she puts in a lot
of work into her craft
382
00:48:01,461 --> 00:48:03,072
and what she does,
383
00:48:03,115 --> 00:48:05,770
but she brings so much nuance
to these little moments
384
00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:07,946
and, just, she's so expressive.
385
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:09,208
I think she's kind of
386
00:48:09,252 --> 00:48:12,124
the perfect horror-movie
star in this.
387
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:26,050
I'm up.
388
00:48:27,835 --> 00:48:30,708
The torture scene is
just very specific
389
00:48:30,751 --> 00:48:33,885
to this group and
their philosophy
390
00:48:33,929 --> 00:48:36,844
and the particular
time in history
391
00:48:36,888 --> 00:48:38,672
when they were soldiers
392
00:48:38,716 --> 00:48:42,372
as well as, more
importantly, mercenaries,
393
00:48:42,415 --> 00:48:45,897
and the darkness that
continued to evolve
394
00:48:45,941 --> 00:48:47,029
throughout the apocalypse.
395
00:48:47,072 --> 00:48:49,640
We've seen Daryl in scenes
396
00:48:49,683 --> 00:48:51,009
where he's had to
torture people before,
397
00:48:51,033 --> 00:48:53,731
but certainly not to this extent
398
00:48:53,774 --> 00:48:55,907
and certainly not
against somebody
399
00:48:55,951 --> 00:48:58,997
that he considers an
ally and that he likes.
400
00:48:59,041 --> 00:49:02,435
And I think that
what the show does
401
00:49:02,479 --> 00:49:04,872
is put our characters
into situations
402
00:49:04,916 --> 00:49:08,006
where they are just in
the worst possible things
403
00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:09,268
that they could imagine.
404
00:49:09,312 --> 00:49:11,401
Like, they're living nightmares.
405
00:49:11,444 --> 00:49:13,403
This is not something
he wants to do,
406
00:49:13,446 --> 00:49:15,448
but they are most
likely both gonna die
407
00:49:15,492 --> 00:49:16,928
if he doesn't do this.
408
00:49:16,972 --> 00:49:19,322
He certainly I don't
think blinks at the idea
409
00:49:19,365 --> 00:49:21,300
of having to lay down his
own life for his friends,
410
00:49:21,324 --> 00:49:22,890
but in this case, like,
411
00:49:22,934 --> 00:49:26,329
he knows he might be a
key to getting this done.
412
00:49:26,372 --> 00:49:30,246
But I think it's also
about Frost's bravery,
413
00:49:30,289 --> 00:49:33,031
knowing that he's
going to be tortured
414
00:49:33,075 --> 00:49:35,033
and basically going
along with it.
415
00:49:35,077 --> 00:49:36,600
Go to hell, assho...
416
00:49:38,689 --> 00:49:41,431
Ever since Daryl signaled to
him when they were behind bars
417
00:49:41,474 --> 00:49:43,911
in Episode 4, like,
"These guys are listening.
418
00:49:43,955 --> 00:49:46,044
We got to pretend like
we're not friends,"
419
00:49:46,088 --> 00:49:48,568
Frost has really, really gotten
420
00:49:48,612 --> 00:49:52,529
that he did exactly what
Daryl was hoping he would do,
421
00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:54,748
which is he kind of gave
him the right neighborhood,
422
00:49:54,792 --> 00:49:56,141
so there's some credibility,
423
00:49:56,185 --> 00:50:00,058
and Daryl's hoping
that saves Frost.
424
00:50:00,102 --> 00:50:02,147
He thinks, like, "If you
just say the neighborhood
425
00:50:02,191 --> 00:50:06,891
but not exactly the house,
then I can buy some time,"
426
00:50:06,934 --> 00:50:09,154
which is basically what
he does, and so, you know,
427
00:50:09,198 --> 00:50:12,288
he's trying to, like,
create little signals
428
00:50:12,331 --> 00:50:15,508
which allowed Maggie
and company to hide,
429
00:50:15,552 --> 00:50:17,684
and Daryl's just trying
to feed them information
430
00:50:17,728 --> 00:50:19,556
about, like, how
many people they are.
431
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,080
You got what? 20
people in your town.
432
00:50:22,124 --> 00:50:23,908
You got weapons.
You got walls.
433
00:50:23,951 --> 00:50:25,866
You'd see them coming
from a mile away.
434
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:27,346
Trust me. They ran.
435
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:29,914
I think, when Carver
goes for that trapdoor,
436
00:50:29,957 --> 00:50:33,004
if you watch Norman, the way
he plays it is really great.
437
00:50:33,048 --> 00:50:35,311
He's ready to, like,
go down fighting
438
00:50:35,354 --> 00:50:38,401
if that trapdoor opens
and the people are there,
439
00:50:38,444 --> 00:50:40,794
but, fortunately, they're
not. They got away.
440
00:50:40,838 --> 00:50:43,754
So Daryl knows, like, now
he's in with these people
441
00:50:43,797 --> 00:50:45,582
and his people are safe,
442
00:50:45,625 --> 00:50:47,366
so that's as good of an outcome
443
00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:49,412
as he can hope
for in the moment,
444
00:50:49,455 --> 00:50:52,502
because it's like, if they
can just keep that going,
445
00:50:52,545 --> 00:50:54,417
he can be that
person on the inside
446
00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:58,334
that's gonna facilitate them
getting inside the walls.
447
00:50:58,377 --> 00:51:01,163
What we wanted to play at
the end of this episode
448
00:51:01,206 --> 00:51:04,166
is that Pope is unpredictable.
449
00:51:04,209 --> 00:51:06,168
I don't think anybody predicted
450
00:51:06,211 --> 00:51:09,780
that he was going to kill Frost
anyway in the middle of that,
451
00:51:09,823 --> 00:51:12,565
but what we're
learning about Pope is
452
00:51:12,609 --> 00:51:14,959
he's in a dark place.
453
00:51:15,002 --> 00:51:16,613
He's spiraling in his own way.
454
00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:20,921
He's obsessed with the idea
of Maggie being out there,
455
00:51:20,965 --> 00:51:22,401
and so, in some ways,
456
00:51:22,445 --> 00:51:25,361
he's messing with Daryl's
head, too, you know?
457
00:51:25,404 --> 00:51:27,972
He's kind of, like,
making his own moves.
458
00:51:28,015 --> 00:51:30,975
Him going off and talking
and laughing with Carver
459
00:51:31,018 --> 00:51:36,198
is completely designed to create
paranoia in Leah and in Daryl.
460
00:51:36,241 --> 00:51:38,069
It doesn't even matter
what he's saying.
461
00:51:38,113 --> 00:51:41,420
This is more about who Pope
is as a person right now
462
00:51:41,464 --> 00:51:44,597
and the questions
that's raising in Leah
463
00:51:44,641 --> 00:51:47,861
and the potential openings
that Daryl is starting to see
464
00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:51,169
in how he can work
the situation.
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