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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:32,365 --> 00:00:35,368             dramatic music          2 00:00:35,410 --> 00:00:40,749                                    3 00:00:42,292 --> 00:00:46,254        [Jim]   In the early '90s,              gossip became very hot.       4 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:48,089          [A.J.]   Tonya Harding                  and Nancy Kerrigan.         5 00:00:48,131 --> 00:00:50,467          John Wayne Bobbitt.                   The Menendez brothers.       6 00:00:50,508 --> 00:00:52,677       There were                           these fantastic stories.       7 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:54,262             Michael Jackson.          8 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:58,641     [Jim]   The nation was becoming         obsessed with gossip,            9 00:00:58,683 --> 00:01:03,313     and the gossip columnists of         New York were gossip royalty.    10 00:01:03,354 --> 00:01:05,231        [A.J.] New York Magazine              did a shoot,                  11 00:01:05,273 --> 00:01:06,357           "The Gossip Mafia,"         12 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:09,277    where they put every columnist       on the cover.                     13 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,155      [Michael]   I was chosen to be          on the cover.                   14 00:01:12,197 --> 00:01:15,992         I wrote a weekly column               called "La Dolce Musto"       15 00:01:16,034 --> 00:01:18,119       with    The Village Voice.       16 00:01:18,161 --> 00:01:19,370        [George]   I did a column       17 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:21,331          with my wife, Joanna,                 at the    Daily News           18 00:01:21,372 --> 00:01:24,209        called "Rush & Molloy."       19 00:01:24,250 --> 00:01:27,253      [A.J.]                                Richard Johnson, "Page Six."    20 00:01:27,295 --> 00:01:30,256            He was number one.         21 00:01:30,298 --> 00:01:33,843       Liz Smith.                            I grew up reading Liz Smith.    22 00:01:33,885 --> 00:01:36,596           She was everything.         23 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:39,641           Cindy Adams,                          the New York legend.        24 00:01:39,682 --> 00:01:41,434        Liz Smith, Cindy Adams,              "Page Six."                   25 00:01:41,476 --> 00:01:42,435        They're the tippy top.        26 00:01:42,477 --> 00:01:44,020    The rest of us did what we did,  27 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:47,816          but we didn't have                   that big cachet.            28 00:01:47,857 --> 00:01:49,776          [Jim]    Cindy gets                     to the photo shoot.         29 00:01:49,818 --> 00:01:53,363       And then she notices,                 lo and behold, Linda Stasi,     30 00:01:53,404 --> 00:01:56,282          who was the main star                 of the    Daily News,          31 00:01:56,324 --> 00:02:00,537        has not shown up, but her             two junior deputies have.      32 00:02:00,578 --> 00:02:04,833         I was in Utah,                       so I told A.J. to go.        33 00:02:05,792 --> 00:02:07,502       [A.J.]                                I went down for the shoot.     34 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:10,213       Me and Michael went down.      35 00:02:10,255 --> 00:02:14,342         Cindy refuses to sit                 for the portrait.            36 00:02:14,384 --> 00:02:15,468     She raised a stink and said,     37 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:16,928           "I don't want him                    in this shoot.             38 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:18,221       He hasn't earned it yet."      39 00:02:18,263 --> 00:02:19,556        Later they said,                      "Well, we're gonna put you     40 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:21,933          and Michael                           inside the magazine."        41 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:26,187      But I took it really hard that       I wasn't allowed on the cover.  42 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:27,438            And I got pissed.          43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,774      And I said some very choice          things to her on the set.       44 00:02:29,816 --> 00:02:32,026        I made fun of her age,               that kind of shit.            45 00:02:32,068 --> 00:02:34,863  At this point, I was working        with the    Daily News    part-time,  46 00:02:34,904 --> 00:02:38,533     and I was also working at            a newspaper called    Our Town.    47 00:02:40,201 --> 00:02:42,662         That day, we didn't have              anything really hot.          48 00:02:42,704 --> 00:02:45,582         And I called A.J. Benza               and Michael Lewittes          49 00:02:45,623 --> 00:02:46,749         just when they returned       50 00:02:46,791 --> 00:02:48,668          from that humiliating                 experience to say,           51 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:50,336         "Hey, I need an item.                 I need something to go.       52 00:02:50,378 --> 00:02:52,797        Do you guys                           have any throwaway stuff?"     53 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:56,217     And they said,                       "Now that you mentioned it."     54 00:02:58,261 --> 00:03:00,513         Probably one                          of the biggest mistakes       55 00:03:00,555 --> 00:03:03,057           of my early career.         56 00:03:05,143 --> 00:03:07,145       Cindy set out to destroy me.    57 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:10,982      She called Mort Zuckerman,            the owner of the    Daily News,    58 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:12,692        insisted that he fire me.      59 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:16,946       And she called the owner of          Our Town,   Jerry Finkelstein,    60 00:03:16,988 --> 00:03:19,157        to demand that he fire me.     61 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:23,912      The final hit from Cindy was,         she wrote a column about zeros  62 00:03:23,953 --> 00:03:27,957        who had tried to cross her            over the past year.            63 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:31,085         I was one of the zeros.       64 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:35,298          I went up against                     the queen of the hill        65 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:37,926             and got sent             66 00:03:37,967 --> 00:03:40,762          tumbling back down.         67 00:03:42,096 --> 00:03:44,766     [Cindy]   No matter what anybody       wants to say about me,           68 00:03:44,807 --> 00:03:49,229              I'm not mean.                         I'm fun.                 69 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:53,733       My column was to entertain.     70 00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:56,194    At New York, you don't like it,     go screw yourself.                71 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:57,362          Buy another paper.          72 00:03:57,403 --> 00:03:59,113       I mean,                              they're not gonna read me      73 00:03:59,155 --> 00:04:00,949      in Roanoke, West Virginia.      74 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:03,076    [interviewer]                        I think it's Roanoke, Virginia.  75 00:04:03,117 --> 00:04:05,203        What's the difference?        76 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:08,248             dramatic music          77 00:04:08,289 --> 00:04:13,628                                    78 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:05,471              lively music           79 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:08,683                                    80 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:10,601        [Ben]   When I was working              at "Page Six,"                81 00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:12,353          I thought                             that gossip columnists       82 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:13,563          would be radioactive.        83 00:05:13,604 --> 00:05:15,898      Complete opposite was true.          People would seek you out,      84 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:18,151       and you were very welcome            in these spaces.               85 00:05:18,192 --> 00:05:19,360    And people love talking to you.  86 00:05:19,402 --> 00:05:21,529        Anyone who was anyone                was reading "Page Six."       87 00:05:21,571 --> 00:05:23,948      And if you were in "Page Six,"       that meant,                      88 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:26,075       "Hey, we should be                   paying attention to you."      89 00:05:26,117 --> 00:05:27,452        When you are a powerful       90 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:29,287           gossip columnist                     in New York City,          91 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,830       you're about as powerful             as the mayor.                  92 00:05:30,872 --> 00:05:32,582      You can make or break careers.  93 00:05:32,623 --> 00:05:34,625          You can make                          or break restaurants.        94 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:37,670       We would set this dinner             every day                      95 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:41,966       where you could have                  politicians and financiers,     96 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:46,179         and hookers and mobsters              and supermodels               97 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:47,889            and quarterbacks,          98 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:51,309       and they would all gossip            with each other.               99 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:54,145    A good column makes you laugh,    100 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:57,023    makes you cry, and shocks you.    101 00:05:57,065 --> 00:06:00,109         But there's hardly                    any gossip columns left.      102 00:06:00,151 --> 00:06:02,653           Now, the only people                  that really do juicy        103 00:06:02,695 --> 00:06:06,574             is "Page Six"                         and Cindy Adams.          104 00:06:06,616 --> 00:06:08,868          She's 90 years old,         105 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:13,706     and she's still in the game,         doing it every day.              106 00:06:17,168 --> 00:06:18,669             [phone rings]            107 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:22,548    Look, I'm going to get a scoop.  108 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:25,426         -Yeah.                               -[indistinct chatter]        109 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:29,097              What is it?                          Okay.                   110 00:06:31,432 --> 00:06:33,518            Everybody gossips.         111 00:06:33,559 --> 00:06:35,770           It comes in                           underneath the door.        112 00:06:35,812 --> 00:06:40,149       It comes in in packages.             It never stops.                113 00:06:40,191 --> 00:06:43,694         I started 39 years ago,       114 00:06:43,736 --> 00:06:47,115      and I had all the top stories,  115 00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:50,076        like, 500 front pages.        116 00:06:50,118 --> 00:06:53,413         It should have been                  in the Guinness Book.        117 00:06:53,454 --> 00:06:56,791           Giuliani.                            He's back again.           118 00:06:56,833 --> 00:06:59,794       Then there's the Monica.             She's there.                   119 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:02,171      There's Trump again.                 Mr. Fix-It, I got this one.     120 00:07:02,213 --> 00:07:05,299     I don't know what it's about,        but I got all these things.      121 00:07:05,341 --> 00:07:07,552           Imelda.                              Woody, I--Woody.           122 00:07:07,593 --> 00:07:11,639         I had dinner with him                two nights ago.              123 00:07:11,681 --> 00:07:13,641         Everybody wants to tell.      124 00:07:13,683 --> 00:07:15,726             It doesn't make                       any difference.           125 00:07:15,768 --> 00:07:18,604     They can end up saying,              "You didn't hear it from me,"    126 00:07:18,646 --> 00:07:20,440           or, "Please don't                    mention my name."          127 00:07:20,481 --> 00:07:23,526       Durst.                               I was in jail with Durst.      128 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:26,320     Oh, of course he killed him.         Yeah.                            129 00:07:26,362 --> 00:07:29,949        So I didn't stay long.               [chuckles]                    130 00:07:29,991 --> 00:07:31,451                 Yeah.                131 00:07:31,492 --> 00:07:33,661           But they all wanted                   to let you know             132 00:07:33,703 --> 00:07:36,205           they know something                   that nobody knows.          133 00:07:36,247 --> 00:07:38,875      That's why you talk to them          at another restaurant           134 00:07:38,916 --> 00:07:41,419    where you'd ignore them mostly.  135 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:45,423         It's because they had                something to say.            136 00:07:47,675 --> 00:07:49,969     [Robert]                              Cindy Adams is the one person    137 00:07:50,011 --> 00:07:52,680            who really writes                     her own column.            138 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:54,557        She's got her own sense              of style.                     139 00:07:54,599 --> 00:07:55,725           Relies on humor.           140 00:07:55,766 --> 00:07:56,934      Cindy Adams is with us now,     141 00:07:56,976 --> 00:07:58,728       and you can bet she's had            her nails done already.        142 00:07:58,769 --> 00:07:59,854              Hey, Cindy.             143 00:07:59,896 --> 00:08:01,814       I've had everything done,            sweetheart.                    144 00:08:01,856 --> 00:08:03,774     She still has her, of course,        her scoops.                      145 00:08:03,816 --> 00:08:05,693        What's your definition               of good gossip?               146 00:08:05,735 --> 00:08:08,571      Good gossip is the kind              that you can get away with.     147 00:08:08,613 --> 00:08:10,364              [laughter]              148 00:08:10,406 --> 00:08:12,867        [Rick]                                She's tough, glamorous.       149 00:08:12,909 --> 00:08:17,830        The energy of New York,              she channels.                 150 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:22,126      And at the    New York Post,           she was right at home.          151 00:08:23,753 --> 00:08:26,923        Sensationalism and gossip             came to stand                  152 00:08:26,964 --> 00:08:31,344          for the    New York Post                brand of journalism.         153 00:08:32,845 --> 00:08:34,514            And it was a brand                    of journalism              154 00:08:34,555 --> 00:08:37,016            brought to us                         by Rupert Murdoch.         155 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:45,066             [bell rings]             156 00:08:49,111 --> 00:08:50,613        [announcer]   Tonight,                  the presses are rolling       157 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:52,949          on a rapidly expanding                newspaper, television,       158 00:08:52,990 --> 00:08:55,785          and publishing empire.       159 00:08:55,826 --> 00:08:59,539      The man is sitting on top of          this empire is Rupert Murdoch.  160 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:03,334           inquisitive music         161 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:06,045                                    162 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:08,089     [Auletta]   In the early '70s,     163 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:10,800          there was 11 or 13                   newspapers here.            164 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:13,219       It was the    Times                    as the legitimate paper.       165 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:16,264    Then the    Wall Street Journal,       a legitimate non-tabloid.         166 00:09:16,305 --> 00:09:17,765          And then    Newsday.          167 00:09:17,807 --> 00:09:22,270       And mainly, the    Daily News           and the    New York Post.         168 00:09:22,311 --> 00:09:25,356        [Chandler]   The city was               in financial crisis.          169 00:09:25,398 --> 00:09:26,899             It was bankrupt.          170 00:09:26,941 --> 00:09:29,193           Numerous papers                       fell by the wayside.        171 00:09:29,235 --> 00:09:31,654      They went out of business,           and everybody said,             172 00:09:31,696 --> 00:09:34,031      "Oh, the    New York Post              will be the next to fail."      173 00:09:34,073 --> 00:09:37,660     It was a very boring tabloid.    174 00:09:37,702 --> 00:09:40,705         It was a very,                        very liberal newspaper.       175 00:09:40,746 --> 00:09:44,041           It was slow reading.                  It looked awful.            176 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:45,876            It was owned                          by Dorothy Schiff,         177 00:09:45,918 --> 00:09:48,588        who was a banking heiress.     178 00:09:48,629 --> 00:09:51,757       And Dorothy wanted to sell.     179 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:56,762     And so she decided that she          would sell the paper to a guy    180 00:09:56,804 --> 00:10:01,142       I never heard of at the time          named Rupert Murdoch.           181 00:10:01,183 --> 00:10:02,768        [Auletta]   There was                   some relief in the sense      182 00:10:02,810 --> 00:10:03,978        that there was a worry        183 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:06,731       that the    Post                       would go out of business.      184 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:09,859         And when Dorothy Schiff               sold the paper,               185 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:11,068           Murdoch assured her,        186 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:13,904          "I will keep it                       a liberal newspaper."        187 00:10:13,946 --> 00:10:17,241        So there was that feeling             that he was savior.            188 00:10:17,283 --> 00:10:22,038      There was also a sense of,           "Who is this guy?"              189 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:24,040      [announcer]   Multimillionaire          Rupert Murdoch                  190 00:10:24,081 --> 00:10:26,083         is at the center                      of a journalistic empire      191 00:10:26,125 --> 00:10:29,003        that includes close to 100            newspapers and magazines       192 00:10:29,045 --> 00:10:31,380          in Australia, Britain,                and the United States.       193 00:10:31,422 --> 00:10:34,467        He is also at the center              of a swirl of controversy      194 00:10:34,508 --> 00:10:35,843       involving his business deals    195 00:10:35,885 --> 00:10:39,180       and the kind of publications          he puts out.                    196 00:10:39,221 --> 00:10:42,892          He was seen as                       this crude upstart          197 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:45,645             that had arrived                      from Australia.           198 00:10:45,686 --> 00:10:47,855     I mean, you look at    The Sun         in England.                      199 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:52,443     The Sun    on page three                always had a semi nude woman.    200 00:10:52,485 --> 00:10:55,863    He said, "This is what               attracts readers," and it did.    201 00:10:55,905 --> 00:10:57,907       [Chandler]   You had, like,             10 seconds to grab             202 00:10:57,948 --> 00:11:01,369      someone's attention as they          walked past the newsstand.      203 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:04,330        Everybody was very attuned            to packaging stories           204 00:11:04,372 --> 00:11:07,958      in a way that they would grab         people's attention.              205 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,544       And Murdoch understood that.    206 00:11:10,586 --> 00:11:13,297      [Rupert]   I'm not ashamed of           any of my newspapers at all.    207 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:16,384     And I'm rather sick of snobs         who tell us                      208 00:11:16,425 --> 00:11:17,843       that they're bad papers.       209 00:11:17,885 --> 00:11:21,806      Snobs who only read papers           that no one else wants.         210 00:11:21,847 --> 00:11:24,266        I doubt that they read               many papers at all.           211 00:11:24,308 --> 00:11:26,894      And whereas on most issues,          they consider themselves        212 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:29,939         liberals or radicals                 or something,                213 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:33,025      they-they think they ought           to be imposing their taste      214 00:11:33,067 --> 00:11:36,028           on everybody else                    in the community.          215 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:43,619     [Steve]   December 30th, 1976.     216 00:11:43,661 --> 00:11:45,162          The day                               before New Year's Eve.       217 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:47,748    And everybody's got New Year's       Eve parties on their mind.        218 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:50,459        But no, no, the new owner,            the boss,                      219 00:11:50,501 --> 00:11:51,502        is coming to the newsroom,     220 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:54,463          and he's gonna address                the staff.                   221 00:11:54,505 --> 00:11:56,465       [George]   Murdoch stood up             in the newsroom                222 00:11:56,507 --> 00:11:57,800          to introduce himself,        223 00:11:57,842 --> 00:12:00,928          and he said nothing                  would change.               224 00:12:00,970 --> 00:12:02,805         When I first heard that,              I said,                       225 00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:06,058      "Uh-oh, things are gonna be          really changing here."          226 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:08,686        upbeat percussive music      227 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:10,980                                    228 00:12:11,021 --> 00:12:13,607        It was like                          a total transformation.       229 00:12:13,649 --> 00:12:14,817      It was like an earthquake.      230 00:12:14,859 --> 00:12:17,194      [Rupert] Is that front page          gonna sell any newspapers?      231 00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:20,489    I think so; I wish there was         something a bit sexier around.    232 00:12:20,531 --> 00:12:24,243      Rupert felt that the paper           didn't have any pizzazz,        233 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:25,828      and he needed to juice it up.    234 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:27,830         [Peter]   The agenda was                to sell newspapers           235 00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:30,249         and to come up                       with salacious things        236 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:32,960           that other people                    might not have.            237 00:12:33,002 --> 00:12:35,921     [Chandler]   It could be crime.         It could be politics.            238 00:12:35,963 --> 00:12:38,924      It could be show business.           Nothing was off limits.         239 00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:41,135       Gossip attracts readers.       240 00:12:41,177 --> 00:12:43,929         Scandalous headlines                 attracts readers.            241 00:12:43,971 --> 00:12:46,015       [reporter]                            We have lots more pictures     242 00:12:46,056 --> 00:12:48,976        of women in bathing suits.     243 00:12:49,018 --> 00:12:51,520    I think everyone was in shock.    244 00:12:51,562 --> 00:12:52,772      [Pete]   You have pictures of     245 00:12:52,813 --> 00:12:54,273           Dinah Shore                           kissing an elephant,        246 00:12:54,315 --> 00:12:57,485        side by side with 30 dead             in South Africa,               247 00:12:57,526 --> 00:13:01,238     so that the sense of balance         between the importance           248 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,116      and non-importance of news           gets to be confused,            249 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:06,202        and the package itself        250 00:13:06,243 --> 00:13:10,247     tends to feel insubstantial.     251 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:12,625         And then he did                      this shocking thing.         252 00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:16,462    He transformed the    Post             into a conservative newspaper.    253 00:13:21,091 --> 00:13:24,678      So he not only reneged on             his pledge to Dorothy Schiff,    254 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,222       but he-he went seemingly       255 00:13:26,263 --> 00:13:28,641         against the grain                    of New York politics.        256 00:13:28,682 --> 00:13:31,977      A lot of people were upset.          The politicians were upset.     257 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:33,354            But guess what?           258 00:13:33,395 --> 00:13:35,815         The circulation                      started to increase.         259 00:13:35,856 --> 00:13:37,608          Post [indistinct].          260 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:40,861     [announcer]   Murdoch clearly is       in the United States to stay.    261 00:13:40,903 --> 00:13:44,323         A powerful but highly                 controversial new force       262 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:48,202       in the publishing industry.     263 00:13:58,128 --> 00:14:00,339         [interviewer]                        Can I show you this?         264 00:14:04,468 --> 00:14:05,928                My God.               265 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:08,806           What's that from?                    What year?                 266 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:10,182             [interviewer]                        It must be--             267 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:11,851         Cindy Heller--oh God.        268 00:14:11,892 --> 00:14:13,644           "Cindy Heller,                       the attractive--"          269 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:15,312    attractive is not a great word.  270 00:14:15,354 --> 00:14:19,650     "The attractive model who has        garnered more queen titles       271 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:21,110           than anyone else,          272 00:14:21,151 --> 00:14:24,864         including the girl                   the police reporters         273 00:14:24,905 --> 00:14:27,199        would most like                      to be found dead with."       274 00:14:27,241 --> 00:14:30,286         [interviewer laughs]         275 00:14:30,327 --> 00:14:33,330      I don't remember that one.      276 00:14:36,333 --> 00:14:39,295           I was born in 1930.         277 00:14:39,336 --> 00:14:42,923    We were not wealthy.                 I mean, we were simple people.    278 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:48,304         Grandma washed                        the outdoor stoop steps       279 00:14:48,345 --> 00:14:51,682     down on the Lower East Side.     280 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:54,852        Grandma took in boarders.      281 00:14:57,271 --> 00:15:00,774        Then my mother became                an executive secretary.       282 00:15:02,526 --> 00:15:06,280    My mother then made me               who became whatever it is I am.  283 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:09,909        So with each one of us,              we moved up.                  284 00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:19,418        I was a sickly child.                I was an anemic child.        285 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:22,004    I was not a good-looking child.  286 00:15:22,046 --> 00:15:23,631       But my mother was                     good looking, and she said,     287 00:15:23,672 --> 00:15:26,926        "I will not have                      an un-good-looking child."     288 00:15:26,967 --> 00:15:30,220          So she fixed me up.         289 00:15:30,262 --> 00:15:34,266           She had my nose done                  when I was 15.              290 00:15:34,308 --> 00:15:36,018             My mother moved                       back my hairline          291 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:38,437      'cause she didn't like it.      292 00:15:38,479 --> 00:15:41,106           She sent me                           to dramatic schools.        293 00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:45,069        So I learned how to walk.             I learned how to talk.         294 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:47,446      Grandma improved my mother.     295 00:15:47,488 --> 00:15:51,659      My mother made sure                  that I was to be improved.      296 00:15:55,704 --> 00:15:58,749              bright music           297 00:15:58,791 --> 00:16:03,963                                    298 00:16:04,505 --> 00:16:06,674           In those days,                        there were contests,        299 00:16:06,715 --> 00:16:07,925      and I was Miss everything.      300 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:11,178        I was Miss Upswept Hairdo.     301 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:12,513        I was Miss New Jersey,        302 00:16:12,554 --> 00:16:16,058          and I'd never been                   to New Jersey.              303 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:20,312      I was Miss Bagel, which I            would've liked to outgrow.      304 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:22,481             I was Miss Bagel          305 00:16:22,523 --> 00:16:25,359      by the Brooklyn                      Better Bagel Bakers Bureau.     306 00:16:25,401 --> 00:16:27,194        I mean, is that one                  of the wonderful things       307 00:16:27,236 --> 00:16:28,946          you wanna have                       on your gravestone?         308 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:30,656        So, but nobody                       will let me forget it.        309 00:16:30,698 --> 00:16:31,573       They always bring it up.       310 00:16:31,615 --> 00:16:33,701          Like you were about                  to bring this up.           311 00:16:33,742 --> 00:16:35,244              I can tell.             312 00:16:35,285 --> 00:16:37,997          But that's what I did.       313 00:16:40,958 --> 00:16:43,836        And that's how I met Joey.     314 00:16:43,877 --> 00:16:45,838            [Roger]   I knew                        about Joey Adams          315 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:47,631         before I ever met Cindy       316 00:16:47,673 --> 00:16:50,050           because he was known                  in New York City            317 00:16:50,092 --> 00:16:53,387           as the unofficial                     toastmaster general.        318 00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:57,224       It didn't matter whether it           was the Catholic archdiocese    319 00:16:57,266 --> 00:17:00,602      or the Smiling Sons                  of the Friendly Shillelagh.     320 00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:06,025       Joey Adams was always                 the guy you asked to emcee.     321 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:18,746              [laughter]              322 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:23,375        Joey was a comedian.                 He was not number one.        323 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:25,210        He was not a Seinfeld,        324 00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:27,796       or, back in the old days,            a Bob Hope.                    325 00:17:27,838 --> 00:17:29,298          He was number two.          326 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,884        But he had                           a number-one lifestyle.       327 00:17:34,678 --> 00:17:36,972        Joey was in the Stork Club            in those days,                 328 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:40,934      and he knew the Frank Sinatras       and the people of the world.     329 00:17:40,976 --> 00:17:44,021              lively music           330 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:48,609                                    331 00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:52,738      Ronald Reagan was president of       the actors on the West Coast.    332 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:55,866     Joey was president                   of all the variety performers    333 00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:57,076          on the East Coast.          334 00:17:57,117 --> 00:17:59,036      So he had the telephone number  335 00:17:59,078 --> 00:17:59,912             and the address           336 00:17:59,953 --> 00:18:02,706       of every celebrity there is.    337 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:08,754       The world opened up to me            at the age of 17.              338 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:14,301            I had married                         into a good life.          339 00:18:14,343 --> 00:18:17,638           I had a husband                       who was comfortable.        340 00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:22,976               I had money.            341 00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:29,108    What I did was marry my mother.  342 00:18:31,235 --> 00:18:35,739         Joey was the same age                as my mother.                343 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:38,492            It was someone                        who would love me,         344 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:42,538           take care of me,                      like my mother did.         345 00:18:42,579 --> 00:18:45,916      Do you know what that does?          That gives you security.        346 00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:50,754       That gives you the backbone           so that you're not scared.      347 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:55,509      That's why maybe you can             write things or say things.     348 00:18:55,551 --> 00:18:58,387      What's gonna happen to you?          Nothing.                        349 00:18:58,428 --> 00:19:01,431            melancholy music         350 00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:05,144                                    351 00:19:10,065 --> 00:19:11,191        [reporter]                            If there is a revolution      352 00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:12,484          in the newspaper                      business in New York,        353 00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:14,778        this is the barricades               of that revolution.           354 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:18,282    This is the city room of Rupert     Murdoch's    New York Post.         355 00:19:18,323 --> 00:19:19,658    It is where the calls are made,  356 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:21,702        the stories typed,                   the headlines written.        357 00:19:21,743 --> 00:19:24,872          But it is not                        where the power is.         358 00:19:25,414 --> 00:19:28,375          The power is wherever                 Rupert Murdoch is,           359 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,878           and he is everywhere                  at the    Post.               360 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:33,172       [Rupert]   I've said in all             our newspapers,                361 00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:36,967        "You have to report                  all the important news.       362 00:19:37,009 --> 00:19:39,136           That's your basic                    responsibility."           363 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:43,223         We're not frightened                 to entertain as well.        364 00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:45,142          [Steve]   When Rupert                   takes ownership,            365 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,228           gossip was                            a moribund business.        366 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:50,981         There was no energy,                 no passion.                  367 00:19:51,023 --> 00:19:53,150       [Chandler]   The biggest                gossip column at that time     368 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:54,526            would have been                       Liz Smith's column         369 00:19:54,568 --> 00:19:56,445       in the    New York Daily News.    370 00:19:56,486 --> 00:19:58,739        She had great contacts,       371 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:00,741          but one of the reasons                she had great contacts       372 00:20:00,782 --> 00:20:03,493       was there was really no bite          to her column.                  373 00:20:03,535 --> 00:20:07,497    She very seldom wrote                anything negative about people.  374 00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:08,707      Murdoch wanted to have a page    375 00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:11,543        that would talk                       about the rich and famous      376 00:20:11,585 --> 00:20:14,630    and wasn't afraid of publishing     negative stories                  377 00:20:14,671 --> 00:20:16,465          about these people                   if necessary.               378 00:20:16,506 --> 00:20:17,716        [Peter]   They were trying              to come up                    379 00:20:17,758 --> 00:20:19,551           with a name for it,                   and they had decided        380 00:20:19,593 --> 00:20:21,553        they were going to put it             on page six.                   381 00:20:21,595 --> 00:20:26,391      They came up with the idea,          "Let's call it 'Page Six.'"     382 00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:29,519      [Steve]   Page Six was                  a new kind of gossip column.    383 00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:31,688           It didn't look like                   a gossip column.            384 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:34,066          It was a sort                         of square boxy affair        385 00:20:34,107 --> 00:20:37,194      with a cartoon in the middle.    386 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:40,447        It's written not                     by a single individual.       387 00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:41,698         It was a team effort.        388 00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:44,243        "Page Six" is a column               by committee,                 389 00:20:44,284 --> 00:20:45,953           which is great,                      because you think          390 00:20:45,994 --> 00:20:48,747      if you have six or eight             reporters going everywhere,     391 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:52,376        you have better chance               to get more stories.          392 00:20:52,417 --> 00:20:53,585    [Chandler]   Murdoch really knew    393 00:20:53,627 --> 00:20:55,587          exactly what he wanted                on "Page Six."               394 00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:59,841    The idea was to really get at        what was going on in the city.    395 00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:02,511         It's basically a page                of in-depth gossip.          396 00:21:02,552 --> 00:21:07,474    It tries to get out the stories     that the network flaks,           397 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:10,644        company PRs,                         don't want to get out.        398 00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:15,023     [Steve]   It was a gossip column       for the new New York City,       399 00:21:15,065 --> 00:21:19,778      what Rupert famously dubbed          the corridors of power.         400 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:23,073        Chief executives of banks             on Wall Street.                401 00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:26,493        I remember once they found            that Punch Sulzberger,         402 00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:28,495         the chief executive                   of    The New York Times,       403 00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:31,832       kept his own loaded revolver          in his desk.                    404 00:21:31,873 --> 00:21:33,333    New York Times    had always been  405 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,877         a staunchly gun control               newspaper.                    406 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:38,714     And I don't remember                 how we found out about that,     407 00:21:38,755 --> 00:21:42,801     but it was one of the great,         you know, scoops of the time.    408 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,928       [George]                              Its reputation was fierce.     409 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:48,265        A call from "Page Six"               was to be dreaded.            410 00:21:50,642 --> 00:21:53,645      "Page Six" has--                     I wouldn't call it a knife,     411 00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:55,522    but, you know, I would call it,     you know,                         412 00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:58,358     maybe an acupuncture needle.     413 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,527         I mean, "Page Six" was,               "Ooh, oh."                    414 00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:04,197      You know, like, oh, a divorce.       50 million, 100 million.         415 00:22:04,239 --> 00:22:07,200       You know,                            it's about shock and awe.      416 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,079       [Chandler]   Murdoch always             wanted any gossip I had.       417 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:14,916      Sometimes he would pass on            gossip that he'd heard to me.    418 00:22:14,958 --> 00:22:18,462        Sometimes give me stories             for "Page Six."                419 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:21,548         He knew that what sells               the paper is gossip.          420 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:24,343    And in those days,                   there was nothing more powerful  421 00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:26,720         than-than newspapers.        422 00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:30,182     [announcer]   Rupert Murdoch            is now unquestionably a force    423 00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:32,726       to be reckoned with in                the newspaper business here,    424 00:22:32,768 --> 00:22:37,731        and potentially, he's also            a political power broker.      425 00:22:37,773 --> 00:22:39,691         [Auletta]   When Murdoch                bought the    Post,            426 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:41,818       he knew it was losing money.    427 00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:45,030        But for Murdoch,                     it wasn't about money.        428 00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:47,032          It was about power.         429 00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:50,660       [Cindy]   Right after Rupert            bought the    Post,              430 00:22:50,702 --> 00:22:53,663      he wanted Joey immediately.     431 00:22:53,705 --> 00:22:56,666      Joey wrote a column of jokes,    432 00:22:56,708 --> 00:23:00,754            and Rupert bought                     Joey's column.             433 00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:03,382          That's how it                        all began with us.          434 00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:06,134             Rupert Murdoch                        and his editors,          435 00:23:06,176 --> 00:23:08,303          they were very smart.        436 00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:12,140       You can't get nobody smarter    437 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:13,642           than those guys,           438 00:23:13,683 --> 00:23:16,103         but they didn't have                 the Rolodex.                 439 00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:18,647          We had the Rolodex.         440 00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:20,524     [George]   Joey knew everything    441 00:23:20,565 --> 00:23:23,777            that was going on                     in local politics.         442 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:26,405        He used to take reporters             for drinks                     443 00:23:26,446 --> 00:23:29,699         with elected officials,               key elected officials.        444 00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:32,744         You always knew                      that Joey either knew        445 00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:36,164           or could get you                     the information.           446 00:23:36,206 --> 00:23:39,751         [Cindy]   If they wanted                the ten worst judges,        447 00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:44,631    they didn't know                     who the ten worst judges were.    448 00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:48,593          So they would come                   to Joey and me.             449 00:23:48,635 --> 00:23:52,097    We gave them phone numbers, and     we gave them things like that.    450 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:57,477     In other words, we were the          beginnings of their New York.    451 00:23:57,853 --> 00:24:02,315           And so we grew up                    with the    Post.            452 00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:12,826       This is my friend Donald.      453 00:24:12,868 --> 00:24:16,288          He's been my friend                  for 50 years.               454 00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:17,622               Donald.                              Hillary.               455 00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:21,543     These are all the presidents.        Hillary, Clinton, Johnson.       456 00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:25,005      Rupert is not a president,           but not bad.                    457 00:24:25,046 --> 00:24:29,593      Mayor Bloomberg, who thinks          he'll be president.             458 00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:32,304             George Bush.             459 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,517          And that's illegal.         460 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:39,269         That was in Thailand.        461 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:43,440      Sukarno, who was president           of Indonesia at the time,       462 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,776        sent it to his embassy               in Washington,                463 00:24:46,818 --> 00:24:49,738          where upon we then                   backed up a truck.          464 00:24:49,779 --> 00:24:50,906        And that's my illegal--       465 00:24:50,947 --> 00:24:53,366       do you think they can do             anything to me now,            466 00:24:53,408 --> 00:24:56,411            50 years later?                      That's that.              467 00:24:56,453 --> 00:24:59,289             delicate music          468 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,625                                    469 00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:04,836          By the '60s,                          I was still a nobody.        470 00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:06,796       I was just a little girl       471 00:25:06,838 --> 00:25:09,841      that was schlepping around           with Joey Adams.                472 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:15,263      But that was about to change.    473 00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:18,058        Joey knew John F. Kennedy,     474 00:25:18,099 --> 00:25:20,477          and President Kennedy                 asked him to head            475 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,312            the first cultural                    exchange unit              476 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:26,149        to Southeast Asia                     as a goodwill ambassador.      477 00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:29,361        We went to places that                I've never been to before      478 00:25:29,402 --> 00:25:31,488               in my life.             479 00:25:34,908 --> 00:25:38,036        We went to Sa'dabad Palace            in Tehran,                     480 00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:42,958           and we were received                  by the Shah of Iran.        481 00:25:42,999 --> 00:25:45,835     We met the king of Cambodia,     482 00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,296        the queen of Thailand.        483 00:25:48,338 --> 00:25:51,883       All these kings and queens,           you know, that's different.     484 00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:56,513      They became accessible to me.    485 00:25:56,930 --> 00:26:02,102      And that's when I met Sukarno,       president of Indonesia.          486 00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:06,856         Sukarno was a character.      487 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:08,733      He should have been in a play.  488 00:26:08,775 --> 00:26:12,779    He always wore a uniform,            and he had medals on his chest    489 00:26:12,821 --> 00:26:15,490     for battles he never fought.     490 00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:19,869      And I remember asking him,            "Why do you wear the uniform?"  491 00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:21,955       I remember this exactly.       492 00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:25,000    And he says, "Because I              am the Supreme Commander of--"    493 00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:29,713      at that time--                       "110 million Indonesians."      494 00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:32,716       And I said,                          "I don't think so, honey.      495 00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:34,968       "I think you wear it                 'cause you damn well know      496 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,596       you look handsome in it."      497 00:26:37,637 --> 00:26:40,974       And he started to laugh.       498 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:46,062           And he loved me                       from that moment on.        499 00:26:47,897 --> 00:26:51,860      Sukarno told                          the American ambassador there,  500 00:26:51,901 --> 00:26:55,280    "I want that lady to come back    501 00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:58,199        and do my life story."        502 00:26:58,658 --> 00:27:01,786     -Do you ever argue with Joey?        -Yes, sir.                       503 00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:02,871  Yes, no.                           504 00:27:02,912 --> 00:27:04,831  Sometimes I argue                   also with her.                     505 00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,207       But you have said repeatedly  506 00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:08,084                that you don't like                 intelligent women,    507 00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:11,880            and yet you married                  a very intelligent one.  508 00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:16,468         Dewi Sukarno                         was his fourth wife.         509 00:27:16,509 --> 00:27:18,762                Japanese.                             Gorgeous.              510 00:27:18,803 --> 00:27:21,806           We sort of,                           in some bizarre way,        511 00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:24,017           looked a bit alike.         512 00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:25,602            Sukarno's big joke         513 00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:30,649        was that I looked                    more Japanese than she,       514 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:34,527          and she looked                       more Jewish than I.         515 00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:39,991            It was obvious                        that he liked me,          516 00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:42,160             and I liked him.          517 00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:47,916             And it was sort                       of undercurrent,          518 00:27:47,957 --> 00:27:53,254     was a nice-looking lady              and a smart guy in a uniform.    519 00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:55,632             It was there.            520 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:57,384            When other people                     were present,              521 00:27:57,425 --> 00:27:59,135         I was extremely proper.       522 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:07,352       But when we were alone,              I was me and he was him.       523 00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:12,273     It's hard to explain,                because everybody would think    524 00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:14,818        automatically there has              to have been an affair.       525 00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:16,778         There was no affair.         526 00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:20,657          I did my job.                        I just did my job.          527 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,200         The name of the book                 is    Sukarno,                 528 00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:25,704    an autobiography as told to our     next guest, Ms. Cindy Adams.      529 00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:27,288               Welcome.               530 00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:30,500              [applause]              531 00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:35,130  And how much time                   did you spend in Indonesia?        532 00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:38,383        In Indonesia,                        between 1961 and 1965.        533 00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:41,886      And actually,                        the last 1963, 1964, 1965,      534 00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:44,681     about five, six, seven hours         a day with President Sukarno.    535 00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:46,349  You were there                      for three years?                   536 00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:47,475                 Yes.                 537 00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:49,060      I was valuable for an hour      538 00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,897     because everybody was writing        about me or talking about me.    539 00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:54,274          So they came to me.         540 00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:56,901             Level.                               Is that--is that okay?  541 00:28:56,943 --> 00:28:58,653          Oh, let's kill the radio.  542 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,405          You're running                       the bloody camera?          543 00:29:00,447 --> 00:29:01,865          Oh, for God's sake.         544 00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:03,491            It opened the door         545 00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:06,953    to get me onto ABC television.    546 00:29:06,995 --> 00:29:09,164          Libby, are you for real              that a woman should learn  547 00:29:09,205 --> 00:29:11,291     to striptease for her husband?  548 00:29:11,332 --> 00:29:14,085  I believe--release.                 Indeed, it would add               549 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:17,255  a great deal of amusement           to their lives.                    550 00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:21,676     They said, "Do what you want.        Do something."                   551 00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:22,927          So I did New York.          552 00:29:22,969 --> 00:29:25,138  Knight, honey, you are filthy.     553 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,931      Well, you see, I usually have       someone come in                 554 00:29:26,973 --> 00:29:29,601      and dust me twice a week,            but I've been very busy here.  555 00:29:29,642 --> 00:29:33,396     And I did such hard-hitting,         thought-provoking, incisive,     556 00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:38,359      in-depth pieces                      as police posing as women.      557 00:29:38,401 --> 00:29:41,696     Do you ever feel like a jerk         now in your new role?            558 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,782  As a store detective, you know,    559 00:29:43,823 --> 00:29:46,409  they don't try to pull anything     in front of a male.                560 00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:49,245    And I found things about             New York that nobody else knew.  561 00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:52,916         For instance, there was               an apartment in Queens        562 00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:54,959           only for midgets.          563 00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:56,127            And what do you prefer?  564 00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:58,713       Do you prefer the term               little person or midgets?      565 00:29:58,755 --> 00:29:59,839           What do you like?          566 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:01,966             We prefer to be called              little people.           567 00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:04,052                That's what we are.  568 00:30:04,093 --> 00:30:07,096             cheerful music          569 00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:10,809                                    570 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:12,602          [screams, laughter]         571 00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:14,145          And let us listen.          572 00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:16,022               -Namaste.                            -Namaste.              573 00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:17,899                    I never tasted                       a plate before.  574 00:30:17,941 --> 00:30:20,693  Another taste test.                575 00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:25,698     Well, I didn't exactly become        a newscaster.                    576 00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:28,785               [laughs]               577 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,745    It's the best plate I ever ate.  578 00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:32,747              [laughter]              579 00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:35,625             dramatic music          580 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,585                                    581 00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:38,753             [bell rings]             582 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:40,088     [announcer]   At election time     583 00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:41,589      in any of the three continents  584 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:42,799         where his presses roll,       585 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:45,093          Rupert Murdoch strives                to be there.                 586 00:30:45,134 --> 00:30:46,970         And for his journalists               in New York,                  587 00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:50,640        elections have proved                 to be a time of reckoning.     588 00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:55,061     [reporter]   During the election       campaign for mayor in 1977,      589 00:30:55,103 --> 00:30:57,897          there was a wide field                of candidates,               590 00:30:57,939 --> 00:31:01,150           and Ed Koch caught                    Murdoch's attention.        591 00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:05,280    Good morning, everybody.             I'm Ed Koch, running for mayor.  592 00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:08,074           [George]                              Rupert liked power         593 00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:12,412       and liked to get involved            in politics.                   594 00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:16,082       Newspapers in those days             had huge influence             595 00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:17,417        on who won an election.       596 00:31:17,458 --> 00:31:19,752       They could make or break             a candidate.                   597 00:31:19,794 --> 00:31:20,879          [Ed]                                  When the phone rang,        598 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,297        the voice at the other end            said,                          599 00:31:22,338 --> 00:31:25,008        "Congressman, we're gonna             endorse you today              600 00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:27,635          "on the front page                    of the    New York Post.       601 00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:28,845          And I hope it helps."        602 00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:31,264     I said,                              "Rupert, you've elected me."     603 00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:32,724         Ladies and gentlemen,        604 00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:34,851       the mayor                            of the city of New York.       605 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,395         [cheers and applause]        606 00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:41,107    Ed Koch brought                      tremendous energy and devotion    607 00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:43,526      and dedication to the city.     608 00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:46,029            There's a new mood                    on the streets,            609 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:49,157      and the city seemed fun again.  610 00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:51,117        If you've been glancing              at    People    magazine          611 00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:54,120      or almost any gossip column          in recent months,               612 00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:58,082           perhaps you've heard                  the name Studio 54.         613 00:31:58,124 --> 00:32:03,129    Studio 54 was started by the         Ian Schrager and Steve Rubell.    614 00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:04,380        Oh, you're not shaved.        615 00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:06,174      There's no way anyone here           is gonna get in.                616 00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:08,092  It doesn't matter,                  if you're not shaved.              617 00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:10,303  Listen, just go home.              618 00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:12,847              upbeat music           619 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:14,265                                    620 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,393       Studio 54 was obviously              a source of great stories      621 00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:19,938         for our gossip column                like "Page Six."             622 00:32:23,107 --> 00:32:26,653          This strata of society                and showbiz                  623 00:32:26,694 --> 00:32:30,740        and business people                   kind of merged after dark      624 00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:33,910              at Studio 54.            625 00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:38,039       I went to Studio 54.                 Gave my "Page Six" card.       626 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:39,540    Stevie Rubell came running out,  627 00:32:39,582 --> 00:32:42,752        whisked me inside, told               the bartender I was a VIP.     628 00:32:42,794 --> 00:32:43,836               And told me,            629 00:32:43,878 --> 00:32:47,382    "I can't breathe in the morning     without reading 'Page Six.'"      630 00:32:47,423 --> 00:32:51,386        Steve had this instinct              about the press.              631 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:55,807        Ilie Nastase had punched              somebody out at Studio 54,     632 00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:58,977      and it was, like, front page.    633 00:32:59,018 --> 00:33:00,520            Steve said to me,          634 00:33:00,561 --> 00:33:04,649     "You have no idea                    how good this publicity is."     635 00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:08,945          "Page Six" wrote about                so many celebrities          636 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:10,697        there actually                       became a "Page Seven,"        637 00:33:10,738 --> 00:33:14,492       which was the photographs             of celebrities at Studio 54.    638 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:21,708       I didn't cover it.                   That was before my time.       639 00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,960       But did I know Studio 54?      640 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:27,505     Yes, because I knew Roy Cohn.    641 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,175         [Myra]   Now, I remember                Roy Cohn                     642 00:33:31,217 --> 00:33:33,302         would come to Studio 54.      643 00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:37,724    You know, all I knew about him       was that he was scary.            644 00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:38,766       [Peter]   Roy Cohn was one       645 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,352      of the most powerful attorneys       in New York.                     646 00:33:41,394 --> 00:33:42,687               And he was--            647 00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:46,566     I think "Page Six's" number          one source if I had to guess.    648 00:33:46,607 --> 00:33:48,151         [Cindy]                               Roy Cohn was somebody        649 00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:51,237        who was always interested             in being political.            650 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,366      And Joey was useful to him.     651 00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:58,536       If a priest became a bishop,    652 00:33:58,578 --> 00:34:00,621      if a mayor became a governor,    653 00:34:00,663 --> 00:34:03,791      he gave a dinner,                     and whenever he had a dinner,    654 00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:05,168           Joey was the emcee.         655 00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:09,213         He was...an evil man.        656 00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:10,798       [announcer]                           "Don't mess with Roy Cohn"     657 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,843          has become a motto                    Roy wears with pride.        658 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:16,345        The man who wrote                     the    Esquire    cover story,     659 00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,431        Ken Auletta, is a reporter     660 00:34:18,473 --> 00:34:21,184          who regularly measures                Roy Cohn's impact            661 00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:23,895          on politics, business,                and the law.                 662 00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:27,190    People come to him because,          as I called him in that piece,    663 00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,317         they think of him                    as a legal execution.        664 00:34:29,358 --> 00:34:32,236     I thought Roy Cohn was               the single worst human being     665 00:34:32,278 --> 00:34:33,529       I've ever met in my life.      666 00:34:33,571 --> 00:34:37,366      I've never met                       a more reptilian character.     667 00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:39,243    Law is an adversary profession.  668 00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:42,830         You win or you lose.                 I don't like to lose.        669 00:34:42,872 --> 00:34:46,709      [Roger]   Roy had an                    extraordinary understanding     670 00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:51,297      of the news cycle                     and the value of tabloid news.  671 00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:54,133         And to help his clients,      672 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,260          he used gossip outlets       673 00:34:56,302 --> 00:34:59,138        like "Page Six"                      of the    New York Post.        674 00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:00,556        [announcer]   Internal                  Revenue Service agents,       675 00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:03,601        more than 20 of them,                 swooped down on Studio 54      676 00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:05,311       at about 9:30 this morning.     677 00:35:05,353 --> 00:35:07,188           A federal judge                       had signed a warrant        678 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:09,065         allowing them                         to search for and seize       679 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:10,608      the disco's financial records.  680 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:14,028         They have an internal                revenue audit going,         681 00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:15,488        which is the same thing              that happens                  682 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:17,281          to 10 million                        American taxpayers,         683 00:35:17,323 --> 00:35:19,534         except it's                          a little bit unusual         684 00:35:19,575 --> 00:35:21,661      when you send 23 agents up      685 00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:26,165     and come tearing into a place        at 9:30 in the morning.          686 00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:31,337    Roy Cohn was defending               Stevie Rubell and Ian Schrager.  687 00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:34,757          They both got indicted                for tax evasion.             688 00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:39,720     Steve Rubell and Ian Schrager        were so awash in cash,           689 00:35:39,762 --> 00:35:41,389             they didn't know                      what to do with.          690 00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:45,518     In fact, they were hiding it         under the drop ceilings.         691 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,270      It was only a matter of time,         of course,                       692 00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:51,107           before the IRS                        caught up with them.        693 00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:55,778    Roy tried to stave the IRS off.  694 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:57,864      [announcer]   The White House           says its chief of staff,        695 00:35:57,905 --> 00:36:00,533          Hamilton Jordan,                      is the victim of false       696 00:36:00,575 --> 00:36:01,951         and sensational charges,      697 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:06,038    charges raised by the owners of     a jet set New York disco club.    698 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,540       The owners,                          who are under indictment,      699 00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:09,292         charge that one night                last year,                   700 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:12,295     Jordan sniffed cocaine in            the club's basement hideaway.    701 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:16,007        Roy was throwing out                 the story about Jordan,       702 00:36:16,048 --> 00:36:19,218    for which he may or may not          have had a source or a witness,  703 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,513        in an attempt                         to signal the government,      704 00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:25,141      perhaps they should back off,    705 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:27,059          or there might be                    major embarrassment         706 00:36:27,101 --> 00:36:29,979          to the president's                   chief of staff.             707 00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:32,648       [Myra]   The Hamilton Jordan            story had already been         708 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:36,319         in    The New York Times.       709 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,405        But nobody could prove               it was a true story.          710 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:41,490          I got a phone call                   at my office                711 00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:46,245      from someone who identified          himself as a top PR agent.      712 00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:47,830          And he said he saw                   Hamilton Jordan,            713 00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:50,499      who was then Jimmy Carter's          chief of staff,                 714 00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:55,171      in the basement of Studio 54,         asking for cocaine.              715 00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:57,506           Who was this guy?          716 00:36:57,548 --> 00:36:59,550    He said,                             "Just print it, just print it."  717 00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,761       So I said,                           "I'm not gonna print it."      718 00:37:04,722 --> 00:37:07,141          I don't know who                      at the    Post    decided        719 00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:08,392       they were going to print it,    720 00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:10,603          but on the cover                      of the    New York Post        721 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:13,064           in small print,                       top PR person said,         722 00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:17,318       "Ham Jordan asked me where            he could get some cocaine."     723 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,862          And once the    Post                   ran that headline,          724 00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:22,573    papers that in their right mind     wouldn't have touched it...       725 00:37:22,615 --> 00:37:24,158         The story                            of Hamilton Jordan...        726 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,160       [Peter]                               ABC news, NBC news, CBS...     727 00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:27,620          Chief of staff                       Hamilton Jordan...          728 00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:31,499        New York Times,   all had it           because the    Post    had it.     729 00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:33,209          [interviewer]                        So Hamilton Jordan          730 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,336     asked you where he could get         some cocaine?                    731 00:37:35,378 --> 00:37:36,671            That's correct.           732 00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:39,257     This is all a mystery to me.         Coke is a mystery to me.         733 00:37:39,298 --> 00:37:40,841          And the whole thing                  is a mystery to me.         734 00:37:40,883 --> 00:37:43,261     And I'm just gonna be the guy        who has to try the case.         735 00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:45,221     Justice Department officials         in New York                      736 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:46,806         have reportedly said                 they are dubious             737 00:37:46,847 --> 00:37:48,849          about the quality                    of the allegations.         738 00:37:48,891 --> 00:37:51,727     They've also reportedly said         that if the motivation was       739 00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:56,023     to negotiate reduced charges,        then no deal will be made.       740 00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:59,902      People often plant stories           with gossip columnists          741 00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:03,739       as a way to create leverage           for their client                742 00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:06,492       because sometimes it works.     743 00:38:06,534 --> 00:38:08,411       I don't think it worked.       744 00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:12,581         Both owners of Studio 54              went to prison.               745 00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:16,377     [Peter]   A grand jury                  investigated Hamilton Jordan.    746 00:38:16,419 --> 00:38:20,256        Unanimously exonerated him            a year later.                  747 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,466    Prosecutor in that trial said,    748 00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:24,677       "This was all nonsense."       749 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,015      I subsequently learned at             the time that the top PR agent  750 00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:33,144          who had called me                     worked with Roy Cohn.        751 00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:34,895      Without even proving anything,  752 00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:39,191       that story ran and destroyed          a man's career.                 753 00:38:40,026 --> 00:38:43,029      How do you think                     you got into this big mess?     754 00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:47,575          Well, I think                        the American press          755 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:51,579    and the public will have             to judge how big a mess it is.    756 00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:55,624        People told stories                  about Hamilton Jordan,        757 00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:57,001     and a thorough investigation     758 00:38:57,043 --> 00:38:58,878      found that the allegations           were not true.                  759 00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:03,299      But for a time, it was               a-a highly publicized case,     760 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,509     which damaged Hamilton Jordan        quite a lot.                     761 00:39:05,551 --> 00:39:07,219         [reporters clamoring]        762 00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:09,096         [cheers and applause]        763 00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,599     [reporter]   Carter was running         against Reagan                   764 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,893          in the 1980 election.        765 00:39:13,934 --> 00:39:17,855        Are you and your family              more secure                   766 00:39:17,897 --> 00:39:20,483           after four years                     of Jimmy Carter?           767 00:39:20,524 --> 00:39:23,027               [all] No!              768 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:26,864     [Roger]   I was sent to New York       to organize the state            769 00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:29,700          for Reagan's                          presidential campaign.       770 00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:34,288      Reagan was viewed by the New          York Republican establishment    771 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,791      as too conservative to win,     772 00:39:36,832 --> 00:39:40,044        an outsider, and so on.       773 00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:43,798        We very much had to run               a guerilla-type campaign.      774 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,926          I would take support                  where I could get it.        775 00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:49,512            The    New York Post                    became my focus,           776 00:39:49,553 --> 00:39:51,931          'cause getting                        Murdoch's endorsement        777 00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,558             of Ronald Reagan                      was crucial.              778 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,018     [interviewer]   Couldn't the day       come when you take               779 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,437     a particular political stance        here in New York                 780 00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:00,064         and impress that                     on your papers here?         781 00:40:00,106 --> 00:40:01,649         No, well, that would                 certainly be the case        782 00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:03,317       with the    New York Post.       783 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:04,652       [Roger]   I had this, like,      784 00:40:04,693 --> 00:40:08,072             recipe card box                       of index cards,           785 00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:11,075      and each card had the name           and phone number                786 00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:16,372    for people who were friends of       the Reagans in New York City.     787 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:20,251       Joey Adams was on the list.     788 00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:22,336    [reporter]   Joey was very close    789 00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,548       to many of the Republicans.     790 00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:27,758       And he really wanted to get     791 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,136           the    Post    involved                   with Reagan.                792 00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:34,390       [reporter]   Rupert Murdoch             is very ecumenical             793 00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:35,766       about supporting candidates.    794 00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:37,560         He'll support a liberal               or conservative,              795 00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:40,771            whoever he thinks                     is gonna win.              796 00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:44,150         [announcer]                           Ladies and gentlemen,        797 00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,193         Governor Ronald Reagan.       798 00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:47,236             Good evening.            799 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:51,407     I know that tonight, the fate        of America's 52 hostages         800 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:53,951      is very much                         on the minds of all of us.      801 00:40:53,993 --> 00:40:56,871       Like you, there's nothing            I want more                    802 00:40:56,912 --> 00:40:58,456        than their safe return,       803 00:40:58,497 --> 00:41:00,124         that they be reunited                with their families          804 00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:02,751        after this long year                 of their imprisonment.        805 00:41:02,793 --> 00:41:05,546          soft dramatic music        806 00:41:05,588 --> 00:41:07,214                                    807 00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:10,509     [reporter]   The whole election         campaign in 1980                 808 00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:12,845       played out                            with the Iran hostage crisis    809 00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:14,221            in the background.         810 00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:15,556       [announcer]   Good evening.      811 00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:17,391      The U.S. embassy in Tehran           has been invaded                812 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,435         and occupied                         by Iranian students.         813 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:21,604       The Americans inside                 have been taken prisoner       814 00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,647         and, according to                    a student spokesman,         815 00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:24,940       will be held as hostages       816 00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:27,693    until the deposed shah is            returned from the United States  817 00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,529     where he's receiving                 medical treatment for cancer.    818 00:41:33,073 --> 00:41:35,701     [reporter]   What happened was,         the shah of Iran                 819 00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:38,996           had been overthrown.        820 00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,624       [Roger]   The shah had been             put in power                   821 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:44,376         with the backing                     of the U.S. military.        822 00:41:44,418 --> 00:41:45,878         The problem                          for the United States        823 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,214       is that it has had                   a series of presidents--       824 00:41:48,255 --> 00:41:50,716    and Richard Nixon may have been     chief among them--                825 00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,051        who so loved the shah,        826 00:41:52,092 --> 00:41:54,929       relied so heavily                    on his powerful presence       827 00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:56,597     in the key part of the world,    828 00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,432        that they were blinded               to his excesses               829 00:41:58,474 --> 00:41:59,767    and to the forces against him.    830 00:41:59,808 --> 00:42:02,353          He was a butcher.                    He was a torturer.          831 00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:03,812           He was a despot.                     All these things.          832 00:42:03,854 --> 00:42:05,773      [reporter]   He'd been driven           out of the country              833 00:42:05,814 --> 00:42:10,611    by an Islamic revolution             led by the Ayatollah Khomeini.    834 00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,155        [reporter]   When the shah              was sent off to exile,        835 00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:15,699         it turned out                         he had terminal cancer.       836 00:42:15,741 --> 00:42:18,244      [Peter]   The shah was looking          for a landing spot,             837 00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:21,956    and he found that landing spot       in the United States.             838 00:42:21,997 --> 00:42:27,044     It was very controversial,           and it enraged the Iranians.     839 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:28,712         And that's when students      840 00:42:28,754 --> 00:42:32,091         who'd supported Khomeini              seized the embassy.           841 00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:33,842      [announcer]                           Tonight, while the hostages     842 00:42:33,884 --> 00:42:35,302       in Tehran await their fate,     843 00:42:35,344 --> 00:42:38,847     the shah of Iran awaits his          in a New York City hospital.     844 00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:40,391          Death to the shah!          845 00:42:40,432 --> 00:42:41,725       [all] Death to the shah!       846 00:42:41,767 --> 00:42:44,520       [George]   Protesters were              all over at the hospital,      847 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:47,565           supporting                            the Khomeini regime.        848 00:42:47,606 --> 00:42:50,693            chanting in Farsi          849 00:42:50,734 --> 00:42:55,698      He had guards all around.            No one got to see the shah.     850 00:42:55,739 --> 00:42:57,575        [Cindy]                               The New York journalists      851 00:42:57,616 --> 00:42:59,910      were surrounding the hospital,  852 00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:03,831        hoping a bedpan carrier              from two floors away          853 00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,292        could give them                      a piece of information.       854 00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,461      Nobody could get near him.      855 00:43:09,503 --> 00:43:10,879           And I get a call           856 00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:14,550       from the shah's twin sister,          Princess Ashraf.                857 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:15,759             "Your Highness.           858 00:43:15,801 --> 00:43:18,762          Yes, well, His Majesty                is in the hospital."         859 00:43:18,804 --> 00:43:20,055              "Yes, I know.            860 00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:23,642        And His Majesty                      has asked to see you."        861 00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:28,897      Cindy, knowing every                 royal family on the planet,     862 00:43:28,939 --> 00:43:34,069    suddenly had access to this          controversial figure who was--    863 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:36,822      everyone wanted to talk to.     864 00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:38,782             dramatic music          865 00:43:38,824 --> 00:43:40,659                                    866 00:43:40,701 --> 00:43:42,494    [Cindy]   The shah was my friend.  867 00:43:42,536 --> 00:43:44,872       I mean, I--it's not like             he invited me over             868 00:43:44,913 --> 00:43:48,459       for Passover or anything,            but he was my friend.          869 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:54,173      We met him in 1961                    on the tour to Southeast Asia.  870 00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:58,010             We loved Tehran.          871 00:43:58,052 --> 00:43:59,928           We used to come back                  every year                  872 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:03,307            and visit the shah                    in his palace.             873 00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:12,149            So now it's 1979.          874 00:44:12,191 --> 00:44:14,985          When the shah's sister                called me,                   875 00:44:15,027 --> 00:44:16,278        you have to understand        876 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,116     that I wasn't the number-one         journalist in captivity.         877 00:44:21,158 --> 00:44:23,160         But that night, we were               having dinner                 878 00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:26,455       with the editor in chief             of the    New York Post,         879 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:31,001     and I had to call him to say         I couldn't make dinner.          880 00:44:31,043 --> 00:44:33,420       [Chandler]   The editor,                whose name was Roger Wood,     881 00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:35,464     said, "You know, why are you         canceling my dinner?             882 00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:36,590     I was looking forward to it."    883 00:44:36,632 --> 00:44:37,800    And she said, "Oh, I have to go  884 00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,553      and see my friend the shah           in hospital."                   885 00:44:41,595 --> 00:44:42,930         Then there's a thud,                 you know,                    886 00:44:42,971 --> 00:44:44,932        he, like, dropped dead,              actually.                     887 00:44:44,973 --> 00:44:46,350     He says,                             "What are you talking about?"    888 00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:48,352        So I said, "His Majesty              asked to see me."             889 00:44:48,394 --> 00:44:50,604     He says, "Could you-could you        do something                     890 00:44:50,646 --> 00:44:51,980        about it for us after?"       891 00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:55,317    I said, "I don't know."              He says, "Well, go, go, go, go.  892 00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:58,237          Go see His Majesty                   and call us after."         893 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,782      [reporter]   So Cindy somehow           makes her way in                894 00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:06,412        through crowds                        who want the shah to die.      895 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:15,170     [Cindy]   His Majesty                   was in a huge two-room suite.    896 00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:18,424           He was sitting                       in white pajamas,          897 00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:20,008           and his skinny legs         898 00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:22,594         were hanging off the bed              on slippers                   899 00:45:22,636 --> 00:45:25,264          that were falling off.       900 00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:31,145         He had lost everything.               He had lost his kingdom.      901 00:45:31,186 --> 00:45:34,064          He had lost his power.       902 00:45:34,106 --> 00:45:37,693         He was losing his life.       903 00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:41,530           Having seen him                      in such enormity,          904 00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:45,743      and now seeing him sitting           alone on a hospital bed...      905 00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:50,038        ...that's what I remember.     906 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,168    Nobody--it was just His Majesty     and me, the two of us.            907 00:45:54,209 --> 00:45:56,879      Okay, so we're talking.              I was there for two hours.      908 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,339    I thought, "If I don't get out       of here, I'll kill myself."       909 00:45:59,381 --> 00:46:02,176      How much conversation                can you have with the shah?     910 00:46:02,217 --> 00:46:05,179      So I call the editor in chief,       and he says,                     911 00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:09,349       "Well, darling,                       are you able to write this?"    912 00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:10,684              I wrote it.             913 00:46:10,726 --> 00:46:15,814                                    914 00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:26,366          The story                             went around the world.       915 00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:29,203         We couldn't get a camera              into the hospital.            916 00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:30,871         They wouldn't allow it.       917 00:46:30,913 --> 00:46:32,289         So the front page is me       918 00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:35,709          sitting with the shah,                Mrs. Shah,                   919 00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:37,586             the empress.             920 00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:43,675        It said,    "New York Post's            Cindy Adams."                  921 00:46:45,636 --> 00:46:46,929           World exclusive.           922 00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:50,516        My first time                        on the    New York Post.        923 00:46:51,558 --> 00:46:55,312      [Col]   The idea that this              desired interview would fall    924 00:46:55,354 --> 00:47:00,150      into the hands of the                 New York Post    was stunning.    925 00:47:00,192 --> 00:47:03,362       That was enough for Roger            to grasp quickly that,         926 00:47:03,403 --> 00:47:07,199    "Wait a minute,                      this woman is something else."    927 00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:11,078        And so soon came the order            to meet Cindy                  928 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,331      and get her going on a column.  929 00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:18,085        [Cindy]   They knew                     I had to know something       930 00:47:18,126 --> 00:47:22,840    because I'd been on television,     and I had done Sukarno.           931 00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,636        But I didn't wanna do it.      932 00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:30,013             I was A, scared.          933 00:47:30,055 --> 00:47:32,891             B, I didn't know                      I could do it.            934 00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:34,017           Finally, Joey said,         935 00:47:34,059 --> 00:47:35,561          "We'll try it                         for a couple of weeks.       936 00:47:35,602 --> 00:47:37,938        You don't like it,                    you don't have to do it."      937 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:40,148         And then I--                         and then it happened.        938 00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:41,608         What-what could I do?        939 00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:44,653          brisk dramatic music       940 00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:49,867                                    941 00:47:51,326 --> 00:47:53,954         What I did was the three              or four people                942 00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:58,500       I was having dinner with,            I would write about.           943 00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:02,880        I mean, I lived next door             to Jackie Kennedy.             944 00:48:06,091 --> 00:48:10,554       I was already having dinner           with Frank Sinatra,             945 00:48:10,596 --> 00:48:11,889             who said to me,           946 00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:13,640         "How do you get                       through the night, kid?"      947 00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:14,892        I said, "I go to sleep.       948 00:48:14,933 --> 00:48:16,226       "That's how I get through            the night.                     949 00:48:16,268 --> 00:48:18,437        How do you get through               the night, Frank?"            950 00:48:18,478 --> 00:48:21,148        He said,                             "Johnnie Walker Black."       951 00:48:21,189 --> 00:48:22,774            There were people                     who made news.             952 00:48:22,816 --> 00:48:24,067             They were people                      on television,            953 00:48:24,109 --> 00:48:26,945           on radio, on movies.        954 00:48:26,987 --> 00:48:30,240          They were our friends.       955 00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:43,003        When Ronald Reagan                    was running for president,     956 00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:46,757      the    Post    said,                     "Hey Joey, bring him down."     957 00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:48,383     [Peter]   I got to meet Reagan.    958 00:48:48,425 --> 00:48:51,345       He came                               into the "Page Six" office.     959 00:48:51,386 --> 00:48:53,388        He walked over,                       shook my hand, and I said,     960 00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:56,600       "I'm not voting for you."            He goes, "I don't care."       961 00:48:57,684 --> 00:49:02,022     [Roger]   Of course,                    the    Post    did endorse Reagan.  962 00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:03,231             I mean, my God,           963 00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:05,817        New York City newspaper               supporting Ronald Reagan?      964 00:49:05,859 --> 00:49:06,860         It was quite amazing.        965 00:49:06,902 --> 00:49:09,071     PS:                                  Reagan carried New York state    966 00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:10,739           by a slim margin.          967 00:49:10,781 --> 00:49:13,784             dramatic music          968 00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:18,872                                    969 00:49:19,081 --> 00:49:21,041       [Cindy]   There is                      a certain amount of power      970 00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:25,504        that you have                         if you're on a newspaper.      971 00:49:26,421 --> 00:49:29,091          Once I got the column,       972 00:49:29,132 --> 00:49:31,551      I was hungry to make my mark.    973 00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:36,014      And I went                           after the big, big stories.     974 00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:37,307       [announcer]   It's the tale      975 00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:38,684            that's wagging                        the whole country,         976 00:49:38,725 --> 00:49:41,812         a marital split between               the billionaire builder       977 00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:43,814       and his foreign-born bride.     978 00:49:43,855 --> 00:49:44,773  What about Woody Allen?            979 00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:47,150         I mean, I just think                 he's a pig and a dog         980 00:49:47,192 --> 00:49:48,443        and a rat and a skunk.        981 00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:50,904          [Chandler]                            Sex, crime, scandal.        982 00:49:50,946 --> 00:49:53,281      It was                               a gossip reporter's dream.      983 00:49:53,323 --> 00:49:56,618      We're not naive.                     We know we are being used.      984 00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:58,161           [Jim]   What are you                    gonna do for me?           985 00:49:58,203 --> 00:49:59,913    That's the lifeblood of gossip.  986 00:49:59,955 --> 00:50:01,498       -Say hi to my friend Rob.            -Hi.                           987 00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:04,001     [A.J.]   Harvey knew what people       to keep close to him             988 00:50:04,042 --> 00:50:07,295       because of our influence             and our power.                 989 00:50:07,337 --> 00:50:09,256       [reporter]   We were all                addicted to the attention      990 00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:11,341    that we're getting,                  that we were giving each other.  991 00:50:11,383 --> 00:50:13,802         [Ben]   Gossip is                       frequently disparaged,       992 00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:17,139    but the trashy stuff                 connects to the bigger picture,  993 00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:20,684    and we ignore it at our peril.    994 00:50:22,102 --> 00:50:24,563     This is Cindy Adams,                 and this was our first show.     995 00:50:24,604 --> 00:50:26,398       Thank you                            for watching it this far.      996 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,567       I promise you one thing,             if you ever do a show,         997 00:50:28,608 --> 00:50:32,070     I'll watch this far for you.         See you tomorrow.                998 00:50:32,112 --> 00:50:35,115             dramatic music          999 00:50:35,157 --> 00:50:40,412                                    125042

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