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[Jim] In the early '90s,
gossip became very hot.
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[A.J.] Tonya Harding
and Nancy Kerrigan.
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John Wayne Bobbitt.
The Menendez brothers.
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There were
these fantastic stories.
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Michael Jackson.
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[Jim] The nation was becoming
obsessed with gossip,
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and the gossip columnists of
New York were gossip royalty.
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[A.J.] New York Magazine
did a shoot,
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"The Gossip Mafia,"
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where they put every columnist
on the cover.
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[Michael] I was chosen to be
on the cover.
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I wrote a weekly column
called "La Dolce Musto"
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with The Village Voice.
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[George] I did a column
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with my wife, Joanna,
at the Daily News
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called "Rush & Molloy."
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[A.J.]
Richard Johnson, "Page Six."
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He was number one.
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Liz Smith.
I grew up reading Liz Smith.
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She was everything.
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Cindy Adams,
the New York legend.
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Liz Smith, Cindy Adams,
"Page Six."
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They're the tippy top.
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The rest of us did what we did,
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but we didn't have
that big cachet.
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[Jim] Cindy gets
to the photo shoot.
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And then she notices,
lo and behold, Linda Stasi,
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who was the main star
of the Daily News,
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has not shown up, but her
two junior deputies have.
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I was in Utah,
so I told A.J. to go.
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[A.J.]
I went down for the shoot.
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Me and Michael went down.
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Cindy refuses to sit
for the portrait.
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She raised a stink and said,
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"I don't want him
in this shoot.
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He hasn't earned it yet."
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Later they said,
"Well, we're gonna put you
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and Michael
inside the magazine."
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But I took it really hard that
I wasn't allowed on the cover.
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And I got pissed.
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And I said some very choice
things to her on the set.
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I made fun of her age,
that kind of shit.
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At this point, I was working
with the Daily News part-time,
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and I was also working at
a newspaper called Our Town.
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That day, we didn't have
anything really hot.
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And I called A.J. Benza
and Michael Lewittes
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just when they returned
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from that humiliating
experience to say,
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"Hey, I need an item.
I need something to go.
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Do you guys
have any throwaway stuff?"
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And they said,
"Now that you mentioned it."
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Probably one
of the biggest mistakes
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of my early career.
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Cindy set out to destroy me.
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She called Mort Zuckerman,
the owner of the Daily News,
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insisted that he fire me.
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And she called the owner of
Our Town, Jerry Finkelstein,
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to demand that he fire me.
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The final hit from Cindy was,
she wrote a column about zeros
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who had tried to cross her
over the past year.
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I was one of the zeros.
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I went up against
the queen of the hill
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and got sent
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tumbling back down.
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[Cindy] No matter what anybody
wants to say about me,
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I'm not mean.
I'm fun.
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My column was to entertain.
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At New York, you don't like it,
go screw yourself.
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Buy another paper.
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I mean,
they're not gonna read me
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in Roanoke, West Virginia.
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[interviewer]
I think it's Roanoke, Virginia.
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What's the difference?
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[Ben] When I was working
at "Page Six,"
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I thought
that gossip columnists
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would be radioactive.
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Complete opposite was true.
People would seek you out,
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and you were very welcome
in these spaces.
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And people love talking to you.
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Anyone who was anyone
was reading "Page Six."
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And if you were in "Page Six,"
that meant,
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"Hey, we should be
paying attention to you."
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When you are a powerful
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gossip columnist
in New York City,
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you're about as powerful
as the mayor.
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You can make or break careers.
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You can make
or break restaurants.
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We would set this dinner
every day
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where you could have
politicians and financiers,
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and hookers and mobsters
and supermodels
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and quarterbacks,
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and they would all gossip
with each other.
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A good column makes you laugh,
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makes you cry, and shocks you.
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But there's hardly
any gossip columns left.
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Now, the only people
that really do juicy
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is "Page Six"
and Cindy Adams.
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She's 90 years old,
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and she's still in the game,
doing it every day.
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[phone rings]
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Look, I'm going to get a scoop.
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-Yeah.
-[indistinct chatter]
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What is it?
Okay.
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Everybody gossips.
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It comes in
underneath the door.
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It comes in in packages.
It never stops.
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I started 39 years ago,
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and I had all the top stories,
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like, 500 front pages.
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It should have been
in the Guinness Book.
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Giuliani.
He's back again.
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Then there's the Monica.
She's there.
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There's Trump again.
Mr. Fix-It, I got this one.
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I don't know what it's about,
but I got all these things.
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Imelda.
Woody, I--Woody.
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I had dinner with him
two nights ago.
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Everybody wants to tell.
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It doesn't make
any difference.
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They can end up saying,
"You didn't hear it from me,"
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or, "Please don't
mention my name."
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Durst.
I was in jail with Durst.
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Oh, of course he killed him.
Yeah.
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So I didn't stay long.
[chuckles]
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Yeah.
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But they all wanted
to let you know
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they know something
that nobody knows.
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That's why you talk to them
at another restaurant
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where you'd ignore them mostly.
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It's because they had
something to say.
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[Robert]
Cindy Adams is the one person
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who really writes
her own column.
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She's got her own sense
of style.
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Relies on humor.
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Cindy Adams is with us now,
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and you can bet she's had
her nails done already.
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Hey, Cindy.
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I've had everything done,
sweetheart.
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She still has her, of course,
her scoops.
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What's your definition
of good gossip?
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Good gossip is the kind
that you can get away with.
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[laughter]
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[Rick]
She's tough, glamorous.
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The energy of New York,
she channels.
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And at the New York Post,
she was right at home.
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Sensationalism and gossip
came to stand
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for the New York Post
brand of journalism.
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And it was a brand
of journalism
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brought to us
by Rupert Murdoch.
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[bell rings]
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[announcer] Tonight,
the presses are rolling
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on a rapidly expanding
newspaper, television,
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and publishing empire.
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The man is sitting on top of
this empire is Rupert Murdoch.
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[Auletta] In the early '70s,
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there was 11 or 13
newspapers here.
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It was the Times
as the legitimate paper.
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Then the Wall Street Journal,
a legitimate non-tabloid.
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And then Newsday.
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And mainly, the Daily News
and the New York Post.
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[Chandler] The city was
in financial crisis.
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It was bankrupt.
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Numerous papers
fell by the wayside.
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They went out of business,
and everybody said,
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"Oh, the New York Post
will be the next to fail."
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It was a very boring tabloid.
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It was a very,
very liberal newspaper.
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It was slow reading.
It looked awful.
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It was owned
by Dorothy Schiff,
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who was a banking heiress.
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And Dorothy wanted to sell.
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And so she decided that she
would sell the paper to a guy
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I never heard of at the time
named Rupert Murdoch.
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[Auletta] There was
some relief in the sense
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that there was a worry
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that the Post
would go out of business.
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And when Dorothy Schiff
sold the paper,
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Murdoch assured her,
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"I will keep it
a liberal newspaper."
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So there was that feeling
that he was savior.
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There was also a sense of,
"Who is this guy?"
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[announcer] Multimillionaire
Rupert Murdoch
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is at the center
of a journalistic empire
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that includes close to 100
newspapers and magazines
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in Australia, Britain,
and the United States.
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He is also at the center
of a swirl of controversy
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involving his business deals
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and the kind of publications
he puts out.
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He was seen as
this crude upstart
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that had arrived
from Australia.
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I mean, you look at The Sun
in England.
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The Sun on page three
always had a semi nude woman.
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He said, "This is what
attracts readers," and it did.
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[Chandler] You had, like,
10 seconds to grab
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someone's attention as they
walked past the newsstand.
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Everybody was very attuned
to packaging stories
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in a way that they would grab
people's attention.
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And Murdoch understood that.
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[Rupert] I'm not ashamed of
any of my newspapers at all.
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And I'm rather sick of snobs
who tell us
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that they're bad papers.
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Snobs who only read papers
that no one else wants.
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I doubt that they read
many papers at all.
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And whereas on most issues,
they consider themselves
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liberals or radicals
or something,
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they-they think they ought
to be imposing their taste
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on everybody else
in the community.
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[Steve] December 30th, 1976.
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The day
before New Year's Eve.
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And everybody's got New Year's
Eve parties on their mind.
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But no, no, the new owner,
the boss,
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is coming to the newsroom,
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and he's gonna address
the staff.
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[George] Murdoch stood up
in the newsroom
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to introduce himself,
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and he said nothing
would change.
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When I first heard that,
I said,
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"Uh-oh, things are gonna be
really changing here."
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upbeat percussive music
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It was like
a total transformation.
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It was like an earthquake.
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[Rupert] Is that front page
gonna sell any newspapers?
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I think so; I wish there was
something a bit sexier around.
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Rupert felt that the paper
didn't have any pizzazz,
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and he needed to juice it up.
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[Peter] The agenda was
to sell newspapers
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and to come up
with salacious things
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that other people
might not have.
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[Chandler] It could be crime.
It could be politics.
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It could be show business.
Nothing was off limits.
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Gossip attracts readers.
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Scandalous headlines
attracts readers.
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[reporter]
We have lots more pictures
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of women in bathing suits.
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I think everyone was in shock.
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[Pete] You have pictures of
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Dinah Shore
kissing an elephant,
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side by side with 30 dead
in South Africa,
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so that the sense of balance
between the importance
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and non-importance of news
gets to be confused,
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and the package itself
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tends to feel insubstantial.
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And then he did
this shocking thing.
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He transformed the Post
into a conservative newspaper.
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So he not only reneged on
his pledge to Dorothy Schiff,
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but he-he went seemingly
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against the grain
of New York politics.
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A lot of people were upset.
The politicians were upset.
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But guess what?
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The circulation
started to increase.
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Post [indistinct].
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[announcer] Murdoch clearly is
in the United States to stay.
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A powerful but highly
controversial new force
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in the publishing industry.
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[interviewer]
Can I show you this?
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My God.
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What's that from?
What year?
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[interviewer]
It must be--
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Cindy Heller--oh God.
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"Cindy Heller,
the attractive--"
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attractive is not a great word.
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"The attractive model who has
garnered more queen titles
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than anyone else,
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including the girl
the police reporters
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would most like
to be found dead with."
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[interviewer laughs]
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I don't remember that one.
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I was born in 1930.
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We were not wealthy.
I mean, we were simple people.
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Grandma washed
the outdoor stoop steps
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down on the Lower East Side.
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Grandma took in boarders.
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Then my mother became
an executive secretary.
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My mother then made me
who became whatever it is I am.
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So with each one of us,
we moved up.
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I was a sickly child.
I was an anemic child.
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I was not a good-looking child.
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But my mother was
good looking, and she said,
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"I will not have
an un-good-looking child."
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So she fixed me up.
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She had my nose done
when I was 15.
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My mother moved
back my hairline
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'cause she didn't like it.
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She sent me
to dramatic schools.
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So I learned how to walk.
I learned how to talk.
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Grandma improved my mother.
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My mother made sure
that I was to be improved.
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bright music
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In those days,
there were contests,
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and I was Miss everything.
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I was Miss Upswept Hairdo.
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I was Miss New Jersey,
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and I'd never been
to New Jersey.
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I was Miss Bagel, which I
would've liked to outgrow.
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I was Miss Bagel
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by the Brooklyn
Better Bagel Bakers Bureau.
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I mean, is that one
of the wonderful things
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you wanna have
on your gravestone?
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So, but nobody
will let me forget it.
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They always bring it up.
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Like you were about
to bring this up.
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I can tell.
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But that's what I did.
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And that's how I met Joey.
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[Roger] I knew
about Joey Adams
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before I ever met Cindy
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because he was known
in New York City
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as the unofficial
toastmaster general.
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It didn't matter whether it
was the Catholic archdiocese
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or the Smiling Sons
of the Friendly Shillelagh.
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Joey Adams was always
the guy you asked to emcee.
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[laughter]
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Joey was a comedian.
He was not number one.
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He was not a Seinfeld,
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or, back in the old days,
a Bob Hope.
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He was number two.
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But he had
a number-one lifestyle.
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Joey was in the Stork Club
in those days,
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and he knew the Frank Sinatras
and the people of the world.
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lively music
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Ronald Reagan was president of
the actors on the West Coast.
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Joey was president
of all the variety performers
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on the East Coast.
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So he had the telephone number
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and the address
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of every celebrity there is.
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The world opened up to me
at the age of 17.
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I had married
into a good life.
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I had a husband
who was comfortable.
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I had money.
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What I did was marry my mother.
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Joey was the same age
as my mother.
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It was someone
who would love me,
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take care of me,
like my mother did.
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Do you know what that does?
That gives you security.
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That gives you the backbone
so that you're not scared.
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That's why maybe you can
write things or say things.
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What's gonna happen to you?
Nothing.
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melancholy music
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[reporter]
If there is a revolution
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in the newspaper
business in New York,
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this is the barricades
of that revolution.
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This is the city room of Rupert
Murdoch's New York Post.
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It is where the calls are made,
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the stories typed,
the headlines written.
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But it is not
where the power is.
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The power is wherever
Rupert Murdoch is,
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and he is everywhere
at the Post.
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[Rupert] I've said in all
our newspapers,
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"You have to report
all the important news.
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That's your basic
responsibility."
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We're not frightened
to entertain as well.
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[Steve] When Rupert
takes ownership,
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gossip was
a moribund business.
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There was no energy,
no passion.
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[Chandler] The biggest
gossip column at that time
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would have been
Liz Smith's column
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in the New York Daily News.
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She had great contacts,
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but one of the reasons
she had great contacts
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was there was really no bite
to her column.
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She very seldom wrote
anything negative about people.
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Murdoch wanted to have a page
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that would talk
about the rich and famous
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and wasn't afraid of publishing
negative stories
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about these people
if necessary.
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[Peter] They were trying
to come up
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with a name for it,
and they had decided
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they were going to put it
on page six.
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They came up with the idea,
"Let's call it 'Page Six.'"
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[Steve] Page Six was
a new kind of gossip column.
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It didn't look like
a gossip column.
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It was a sort
of square boxy affair
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with a cartoon in the middle.
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It's written not
by a single individual.
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It was a team effort.
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"Page Six" is a column
by committee,
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which is great,
because you think
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if you have six or eight
reporters going everywhere,
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you have better chance
to get more stories.
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[Chandler] Murdoch really knew
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exactly what he wanted
on "Page Six."
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The idea was to really get at
what was going on in the city.
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It's basically a page
of in-depth gossip.
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It tries to get out the stories
that the network flaks,
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company PRs,
don't want to get out.
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[Steve] It was a gossip column
for the new New York City,
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what Rupert famously dubbed
the corridors of power.
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Chief executives of banks
on Wall Street.
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00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:26,493
I remember once they found
that Punch Sulzberger,
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00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:28,495
the chief executive
of The New York Times,
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kept his own loaded revolver
in his desk.
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00:21:31,873 --> 00:21:33,333
New York Times had always been
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00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,877
a staunchly gun control
newspaper.
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00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:38,714
And I don't remember
how we found out about that,
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00:21:38,755 --> 00:21:42,801
but it was one of the great,
you know, scoops of the time.
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[George]
Its reputation was fierce.
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00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:48,265
A call from "Page Six"
was to be dreaded.
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"Page Six" has--
I wouldn't call it a knife,
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00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:55,522
but, you know, I would call it,
you know,
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maybe an acupuncture needle.
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00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,527
I mean, "Page Six" was,
"Ooh, oh."
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00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:04,197
You know, like, oh, a divorce.
50 million, 100 million.
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00:22:04,239 --> 00:22:07,200
You know,
it's about shock and awe.
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00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,079
[Chandler] Murdoch always
wanted any gossip I had.
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00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:14,916
Sometimes he would pass on
gossip that he'd heard to me.
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00:22:14,958 --> 00:22:18,462
Sometimes give me stories
for "Page Six."
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He knew that what sells
the paper is gossip.
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And in those days,
there was nothing more powerful
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than-than newspapers.
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[announcer] Rupert Murdoch
is now unquestionably a force
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to be reckoned with in
the newspaper business here,
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and potentially, he's also
a political power broker.
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[Auletta] When Murdoch
bought the Post,
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he knew it was losing money.
427
00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:45,030
But for Murdoch,
it wasn't about money.
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00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:47,032
It was about power.
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[Cindy] Right after Rupert
bought the Post,
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he wanted Joey immediately.
431
00:22:53,705 --> 00:22:56,666
Joey wrote a column of jokes,
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00:22:56,708 --> 00:23:00,754
and Rupert bought
Joey's column.
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00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:03,382
That's how it
all began with us.
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00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:06,134
Rupert Murdoch
and his editors,
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00:23:06,176 --> 00:23:08,303
they were very smart.
436
00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:12,140
You can't get nobody smarter
437
00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:13,642
than those guys,
438
00:23:13,683 --> 00:23:16,103
but they didn't have
the Rolodex.
439
00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:18,647
We had the Rolodex.
440
00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:20,524
[George] Joey knew everything
441
00:23:20,565 --> 00:23:23,777
that was going on
in local politics.
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00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:26,405
He used to take reporters
for drinks
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00:23:26,446 --> 00:23:29,699
with elected officials,
key elected officials.
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00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:32,744
You always knew
that Joey either knew
445
00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:36,164
or could get you
the information.
446
00:23:36,206 --> 00:23:39,751
[Cindy] If they wanted
the ten worst judges,
447
00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:44,631
they didn't know
who the ten worst judges were.
448
00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:48,593
So they would come
to Joey and me.
449
00:23:48,635 --> 00:23:52,097
We gave them phone numbers, and
we gave them things like that.
450
00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:57,477
In other words, we were the
beginnings of their New York.
451
00:23:57,853 --> 00:24:02,315
And so we grew up
with the Post.
452
00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:12,826
This is my friend Donald.
453
00:24:12,868 --> 00:24:16,288
He's been my friend
for 50 years.
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00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:17,622
Donald.
Hillary.
455
00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:21,543
These are all the presidents.
Hillary, Clinton, Johnson.
456
00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:25,005
Rupert is not a president,
but not bad.
457
00:24:25,046 --> 00:24:29,593
Mayor Bloomberg, who thinks
he'll be president.
458
00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:32,304
George Bush.
459
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,517
And that's illegal.
460
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:39,269
That was in Thailand.
461
00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:43,440
Sukarno, who was president
of Indonesia at the time,
462
00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,776
sent it to his embassy
in Washington,
463
00:24:46,818 --> 00:24:49,738
where upon we then
backed up a truck.
464
00:24:49,779 --> 00:24:50,906
And that's my illegal--
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00:24:50,947 --> 00:24:53,366
do you think they can do
anything to me now,
466
00:24:53,408 --> 00:24:56,411
50 years later?
That's that.
467
00:24:56,453 --> 00:24:59,289
delicate music
468
00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,625
469
00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:04,836
By the '60s,
I was still a nobody.
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00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:06,796
I was just a little girl
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00:25:06,838 --> 00:25:09,841
that was schlepping around
with Joey Adams.
472
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:15,263
But that was about to change.
473
00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:18,058
Joey knew John F. Kennedy,
474
00:25:18,099 --> 00:25:20,477
and President Kennedy
asked him to head
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00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,312
the first cultural
exchange unit
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00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:26,149
to Southeast Asia
as a goodwill ambassador.
477
00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:29,361
We went to places that
I've never been to before
478
00:25:29,402 --> 00:25:31,488
in my life.
479
00:25:34,908 --> 00:25:38,036
We went to Sa'dabad Palace
in Tehran,
480
00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:42,958
and we were received
by the Shah of Iran.
481
00:25:42,999 --> 00:25:45,835
We met the king of Cambodia,
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00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,296
the queen of Thailand.
483
00:25:48,338 --> 00:25:51,883
All these kings and queens,
you know, that's different.
484
00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:56,513
They became accessible to me.
485
00:25:56,930 --> 00:26:02,102
And that's when I met Sukarno,
president of Indonesia.
486
00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:06,856
Sukarno was a character.
487
00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:08,733
He should have been in a play.
488
00:26:08,775 --> 00:26:12,779
He always wore a uniform,
and he had medals on his chest
489
00:26:12,821 --> 00:26:15,490
for battles he never fought.
490
00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:19,869
And I remember asking him,
"Why do you wear the uniform?"
491
00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:21,955
I remember this exactly.
492
00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:25,000
And he says, "Because I
am the Supreme Commander of--"
493
00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:29,713
at that time--
"110 million Indonesians."
494
00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:32,716
And I said,
"I don't think so, honey.
495
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:34,968
"I think you wear it
'cause you damn well know
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00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,596
you look handsome in it."
497
00:26:37,637 --> 00:26:40,974
And he started to laugh.
498
00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:46,062
And he loved me
from that moment on.
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00:26:47,897 --> 00:26:51,860
Sukarno told
the American ambassador there,
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"I want that lady to come back
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00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:58,199
and do my life story."
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00:26:58,658 --> 00:27:01,786
-Do you ever argue with Joey?
-Yes, sir.
503
00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:02,871
Yes, no.
504
00:27:02,912 --> 00:27:04,831
Sometimes I argue
also with her.
505
00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,207
But you have said repeatedly
506
00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:08,084
that you don't like
intelligent women,
507
00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:11,880
and yet you married
a very intelligent one.
508
00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:16,468
Dewi Sukarno
was his fourth wife.
509
00:27:16,509 --> 00:27:18,762
Japanese.
Gorgeous.
510
00:27:18,803 --> 00:27:21,806
We sort of,
in some bizarre way,
511
00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:24,017
looked a bit alike.
512
00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:25,602
Sukarno's big joke
513
00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:30,649
was that I looked
more Japanese than she,
514
00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:34,527
and she looked
more Jewish than I.
515
00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:39,991
It was obvious
that he liked me,
516
00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:42,160
and I liked him.
517
00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:47,916
And it was sort
of undercurrent,
518
00:27:47,957 --> 00:27:53,254
was a nice-looking lady
and a smart guy in a uniform.
519
00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:55,632
It was there.
520
00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:57,384
When other people
were present,
521
00:27:57,425 --> 00:27:59,135
I was extremely proper.
522
00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:07,352
But when we were alone,
I was me and he was him.
523
00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:12,273
It's hard to explain,
because everybody would think
524
00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:14,818
automatically there has
to have been an affair.
525
00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:16,778
There was no affair.
526
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:20,657
I did my job.
I just did my job.
527
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,200
The name of the book
is Sukarno,
528
00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:25,704
an autobiography as told to our
next guest, Ms. Cindy Adams.
529
00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:27,288
Welcome.
530
00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:30,500
[applause]
531
00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:35,130
And how much time
did you spend in Indonesia?
532
00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:38,383
In Indonesia,
between 1961 and 1965.
533
00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:41,886
And actually,
the last 1963, 1964, 1965,
534
00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:44,681
about five, six, seven hours
a day with President Sukarno.
535
00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:46,349
You were there
for three years?
536
00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:47,475
Yes.
537
00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:49,060
I was valuable for an hour
538
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,897
because everybody was writing
about me or talking about me.
539
00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:54,274
So they came to me.
540
00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:56,901
Level.
Is that--is that okay?
541
00:28:56,943 --> 00:28:58,653
Oh, let's kill the radio.
542
00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,405
You're running
the bloody camera?
543
00:29:00,447 --> 00:29:01,865
Oh, for God's sake.
544
00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:03,491
It opened the door
545
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:06,953
to get me onto ABC television.
546
00:29:06,995 --> 00:29:09,164
Libby, are you for real
that a woman should learn
547
00:29:09,205 --> 00:29:11,291
to striptease for her husband?
548
00:29:11,332 --> 00:29:14,085
I believe--release.
Indeed, it would add
549
00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:17,255
a great deal of amusement
to their lives.
550
00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:21,676
They said, "Do what you want.
Do something."
551
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:22,927
So I did New York.
552
00:29:22,969 --> 00:29:25,138
Knight, honey, you are filthy.
553
00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,931
Well, you see, I usually have
someone come in
554
00:29:26,973 --> 00:29:29,601
and dust me twice a week,
but I've been very busy here.
555
00:29:29,642 --> 00:29:33,396
And I did such hard-hitting,
thought-provoking, incisive,
556
00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:38,359
in-depth pieces
as police posing as women.
557
00:29:38,401 --> 00:29:41,696
Do you ever feel like a jerk
now in your new role?
558
00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,782
As a store detective, you know,
559
00:29:43,823 --> 00:29:46,409
they don't try to pull anything
in front of a male.
560
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:49,245
And I found things about
New York that nobody else knew.
561
00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:52,916
For instance, there was
an apartment in Queens
562
00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:54,959
only for midgets.
563
00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:56,127
And what do you prefer?
564
00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:58,713
Do you prefer the term
little person or midgets?
565
00:29:58,755 --> 00:29:59,839
What do you like?
566
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:01,966
We prefer to be called
little people.
567
00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:04,052
That's what we are.
568
00:30:04,093 --> 00:30:07,096
cheerful music
569
00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:10,809
570
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:12,602
[screams, laughter]
571
00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:14,145
And let us listen.
572
00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:16,022
-Namaste.
-Namaste.
573
00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:17,899
I never tasted
a plate before.
574
00:30:17,941 --> 00:30:20,693
Another taste test.
575
00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:25,698
Well, I didn't exactly become
a newscaster.
576
00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:28,785
[laughs]
577
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,745
It's the best plate I ever ate.
578
00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:32,747
[laughter]
579
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:35,625
dramatic music
580
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,585
581
00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:38,753
[bell rings]
582
00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:40,088
[announcer] At election time
583
00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:41,589
in any of the three continents
584
00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:42,799
where his presses roll,
585
00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:45,093
Rupert Murdoch strives
to be there.
586
00:30:45,134 --> 00:30:46,970
And for his journalists
in New York,
587
00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:50,640
elections have proved
to be a time of reckoning.
588
00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:55,061
[reporter] During the election
campaign for mayor in 1977,
589
00:30:55,103 --> 00:30:57,897
there was a wide field
of candidates,
590
00:30:57,939 --> 00:31:01,150
and Ed Koch caught
Murdoch's attention.
591
00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:05,280
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Ed Koch, running for mayor.
592
00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:08,074
[George]
Rupert liked power
593
00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:12,412
and liked to get involved
in politics.
594
00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:16,082
Newspapers in those days
had huge influence
595
00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:17,417
on who won an election.
596
00:31:17,458 --> 00:31:19,752
They could make or break
a candidate.
597
00:31:19,794 --> 00:31:20,879
[Ed]
When the phone rang,
598
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,297
the voice at the other end
said,
599
00:31:22,338 --> 00:31:25,008
"Congressman, we're gonna
endorse you today
600
00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:27,635
"on the front page
of the New York Post.
601
00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:28,845
And I hope it helps."
602
00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:31,264
I said,
"Rupert, you've elected me."
603
00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:32,724
Ladies and gentlemen,
604
00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:34,851
the mayor
of the city of New York.
605
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,395
[cheers and applause]
606
00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:41,107
Ed Koch brought
tremendous energy and devotion
607
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:43,526
and dedication to the city.
608
00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:46,029
There's a new mood
on the streets,
609
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:49,157
and the city seemed fun again.
610
00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:51,117
If you've been glancing
at People magazine
611
00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:54,120
or almost any gossip column
in recent months,
612
00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:58,082
perhaps you've heard
the name Studio 54.
613
00:31:58,124 --> 00:32:03,129
Studio 54 was started by the
Ian Schrager and Steve Rubell.
614
00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:04,380
Oh, you're not shaved.
615
00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:06,174
There's no way anyone here
is gonna get in.
616
00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:08,092
It doesn't matter,
if you're not shaved.
617
00:32:08,134 --> 00:32:10,303
Listen, just go home.
618
00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:12,847
upbeat music
619
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:14,265
620
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,393
Studio 54 was obviously
a source of great stories
621
00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:19,938
for our gossip column
like "Page Six."
622
00:32:23,107 --> 00:32:26,653
This strata of society
and showbiz
623
00:32:26,694 --> 00:32:30,740
and business people
kind of merged after dark
624
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:33,910
at Studio 54.
625
00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:38,039
I went to Studio 54.
Gave my "Page Six" card.
626
00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:39,540
Stevie Rubell came running out,
627
00:32:39,582 --> 00:32:42,752
whisked me inside, told
the bartender I was a VIP.
628
00:32:42,794 --> 00:32:43,836
And told me,
629
00:32:43,878 --> 00:32:47,382
"I can't breathe in the morning
without reading 'Page Six.'"
630
00:32:47,423 --> 00:32:51,386
Steve had this instinct
about the press.
631
00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:55,807
Ilie Nastase had punched
somebody out at Studio 54,
632
00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:58,977
and it was, like, front page.
633
00:32:59,018 --> 00:33:00,520
Steve said to me,
634
00:33:00,561 --> 00:33:04,649
"You have no idea
how good this publicity is."
635
00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:08,945
"Page Six" wrote about
so many celebrities
636
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:10,697
there actually
became a "Page Seven,"
637
00:33:10,738 --> 00:33:14,492
which was the photographs
of celebrities at Studio 54.
638
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:21,708
I didn't cover it.
That was before my time.
639
00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,960
But did I know Studio 54?
640
00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:27,505
Yes, because I knew Roy Cohn.
641
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,175
[Myra] Now, I remember
Roy Cohn
642
00:33:31,217 --> 00:33:33,302
would come to Studio 54.
643
00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:37,724
You know, all I knew about him
was that he was scary.
644
00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:38,766
[Peter] Roy Cohn was one
645
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,352
of the most powerful attorneys
in New York.
646
00:33:41,394 --> 00:33:42,687
And he was--
647
00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:46,566
I think "Page Six's" number
one source if I had to guess.
648
00:33:46,607 --> 00:33:48,151
[Cindy]
Roy Cohn was somebody
649
00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:51,237
who was always interested
in being political.
650
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,366
And Joey was useful to him.
651
00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:58,536
If a priest became a bishop,
652
00:33:58,578 --> 00:34:00,621
if a mayor became a governor,
653
00:34:00,663 --> 00:34:03,791
he gave a dinner,
and whenever he had a dinner,
654
00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:05,168
Joey was the emcee.
655
00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:09,213
He was...an evil man.
656
00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:10,798
[announcer]
"Don't mess with Roy Cohn"
657
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,843
has become a motto
Roy wears with pride.
658
00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:16,345
The man who wrote
the Esquire cover story,
659
00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,431
Ken Auletta, is a reporter
660
00:34:18,473 --> 00:34:21,184
who regularly measures
Roy Cohn's impact
661
00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:23,895
on politics, business,
and the law.
662
00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:27,190
People come to him because,
as I called him in that piece,
663
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,317
they think of him
as a legal execution.
664
00:34:29,358 --> 00:34:32,236
I thought Roy Cohn was
the single worst human being
665
00:34:32,278 --> 00:34:33,529
I've ever met in my life.
666
00:34:33,571 --> 00:34:37,366
I've never met
a more reptilian character.
667
00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:39,243
Law is an adversary profession.
668
00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:42,830
You win or you lose.
I don't like to lose.
669
00:34:42,872 --> 00:34:46,709
[Roger] Roy had an
extraordinary understanding
670
00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:51,297
of the news cycle
and the value of tabloid news.
671
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:54,133
And to help his clients,
672
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,260
he used gossip outlets
673
00:34:56,302 --> 00:34:59,138
like "Page Six"
of the New York Post.
674
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:00,556
[announcer] Internal
Revenue Service agents,
675
00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:03,601
more than 20 of them,
swooped down on Studio 54
676
00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:05,311
at about 9:30 this morning.
677
00:35:05,353 --> 00:35:07,188
A federal judge
had signed a warrant
678
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:09,065
allowing them
to search for and seize
679
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:10,608
the disco's financial records.
680
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:14,028
They have an internal
revenue audit going,
681
00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:15,488
which is the same thing
that happens
682
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:17,281
to 10 million
American taxpayers,
683
00:35:17,323 --> 00:35:19,534
except it's
a little bit unusual
684
00:35:19,575 --> 00:35:21,661
when you send 23 agents up
685
00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:26,165
and come tearing into a place
at 9:30 in the morning.
686
00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:31,337
Roy Cohn was defending
Stevie Rubell and Ian Schrager.
687
00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:34,757
They both got indicted
for tax evasion.
688
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:39,720
Steve Rubell and Ian Schrager
were so awash in cash,
689
00:35:39,762 --> 00:35:41,389
they didn't know
what to do with.
690
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:45,518
In fact, they were hiding it
under the drop ceilings.
691
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,270
It was only a matter of time,
of course,
692
00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:51,107
before the IRS
caught up with them.
693
00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:55,778
Roy tried to stave the IRS off.
694
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:57,864
[announcer] The White House
says its chief of staff,
695
00:35:57,905 --> 00:36:00,533
Hamilton Jordan,
is the victim of false
696
00:36:00,575 --> 00:36:01,951
and sensational charges,
697
00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:06,038
charges raised by the owners of
a jet set New York disco club.
698
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,540
The owners,
who are under indictment,
699
00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:09,292
charge that one night
last year,
700
00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:12,295
Jordan sniffed cocaine in
the club's basement hideaway.
701
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:16,007
Roy was throwing out
the story about Jordan,
702
00:36:16,048 --> 00:36:19,218
for which he may or may not
have had a source or a witness,
703
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,513
in an attempt
to signal the government,
704
00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:25,141
perhaps they should back off,
705
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:27,059
or there might be
major embarrassment
706
00:36:27,101 --> 00:36:29,979
to the president's
chief of staff.
707
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:32,648
[Myra] The Hamilton Jordan
story had already been
708
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:36,319
in The New York Times.
709
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,405
But nobody could prove
it was a true story.
710
00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:41,490
I got a phone call
at my office
711
00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:46,245
from someone who identified
himself as a top PR agent.
712
00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:47,830
And he said he saw
Hamilton Jordan,
713
00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:50,499
who was then Jimmy Carter's
chief of staff,
714
00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:55,171
in the basement of Studio 54,
asking for cocaine.
715
00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:57,506
Who was this guy?
716
00:36:57,548 --> 00:36:59,550
He said,
"Just print it, just print it."
717
00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,761
So I said,
"I'm not gonna print it."
718
00:37:04,722 --> 00:37:07,141
I don't know who
at the Post decided
719
00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:08,392
they were going to print it,
720
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:10,603
but on the cover
of the New York Post
721
00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:13,064
in small print,
top PR person said,
722
00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:17,318
"Ham Jordan asked me where
he could get some cocaine."
723
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,862
And once the Post
ran that headline,
724
00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:22,573
papers that in their right mind
wouldn't have touched it...
725
00:37:22,615 --> 00:37:24,158
The story
of Hamilton Jordan...
726
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,160
[Peter]
ABC news, NBC news, CBS...
727
00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:27,620
Chief of staff
Hamilton Jordan...
728
00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:31,499
New York Times, all had it
because the Post had it.
729
00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:33,209
[interviewer]
So Hamilton Jordan
730
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,336
asked you where he could get
some cocaine?
731
00:37:35,378 --> 00:37:36,671
That's correct.
732
00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:39,257
This is all a mystery to me.
Coke is a mystery to me.
733
00:37:39,298 --> 00:37:40,841
And the whole thing
is a mystery to me.
734
00:37:40,883 --> 00:37:43,261
And I'm just gonna be the guy
who has to try the case.
735
00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:45,221
Justice Department officials
in New York
736
00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:46,806
have reportedly said
they are dubious
737
00:37:46,847 --> 00:37:48,849
about the quality
of the allegations.
738
00:37:48,891 --> 00:37:51,727
They've also reportedly said
that if the motivation was
739
00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:56,023
to negotiate reduced charges,
then no deal will be made.
740
00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:59,902
People often plant stories
with gossip columnists
741
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:03,739
as a way to create leverage
for their client
742
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:06,492
because sometimes it works.
743
00:38:06,534 --> 00:38:08,411
I don't think it worked.
744
00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:12,581
Both owners of Studio 54
went to prison.
745
00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:16,377
[Peter] A grand jury
investigated Hamilton Jordan.
746
00:38:16,419 --> 00:38:20,256
Unanimously exonerated him
a year later.
747
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,466
Prosecutor in that trial said,
748
00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:24,677
"This was all nonsense."
749
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,015
I subsequently learned at
the time that the top PR agent
750
00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:33,144
who had called me
worked with Roy Cohn.
751
00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:34,895
Without even proving anything,
752
00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:39,191
that story ran and destroyed
a man's career.
753
00:38:40,026 --> 00:38:43,029
How do you think
you got into this big mess?
754
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:47,575
Well, I think
the American press
755
00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:51,579
and the public will have
to judge how big a mess it is.
756
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:55,624
People told stories
about Hamilton Jordan,
757
00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:57,001
and a thorough investigation
758
00:38:57,043 --> 00:38:58,878
found that the allegations
were not true.
759
00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:03,299
But for a time, it was
a-a highly publicized case,
760
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,509
which damaged Hamilton Jordan
quite a lot.
761
00:39:05,551 --> 00:39:07,219
[reporters clamoring]
762
00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:09,096
[cheers and applause]
763
00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,599
[reporter] Carter was running
against Reagan
764
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,893
in the 1980 election.
765
00:39:13,934 --> 00:39:17,855
Are you and your family
more secure
766
00:39:17,897 --> 00:39:20,483
after four years
of Jimmy Carter?
767
00:39:20,524 --> 00:39:23,027
[all] No!
768
00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:26,864
[Roger] I was sent to New York
to organize the state
769
00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:29,700
for Reagan's
presidential campaign.
770
00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:34,288
Reagan was viewed by the New
York Republican establishment
771
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,791
as too conservative to win,
772
00:39:36,832 --> 00:39:40,044
an outsider, and so on.
773
00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:43,798
We very much had to run
a guerilla-type campaign.
774
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,926
I would take support
where I could get it.
775
00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:49,512
The New York Post
became my focus,
776
00:39:49,553 --> 00:39:51,931
'cause getting
Murdoch's endorsement
777
00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,558
of Ronald Reagan
was crucial.
778
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,018
[interviewer] Couldn't the day
come when you take
779
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,437
a particular political stance
here in New York
780
00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:00,064
and impress that
on your papers here?
781
00:40:00,106 --> 00:40:01,649
No, well, that would
certainly be the case
782
00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:03,317
with the New York Post.
783
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:04,652
[Roger] I had this, like,
784
00:40:04,693 --> 00:40:08,072
recipe card box
of index cards,
785
00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:11,075
and each card had the name
and phone number
786
00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:16,372
for people who were friends of
the Reagans in New York City.
787
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:20,251
Joey Adams was on the list.
788
00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:22,336
[reporter] Joey was very close
789
00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,548
to many of the Republicans.
790
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:27,758
And he really wanted to get
791
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,136
the Post involved
with Reagan.
792
00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:34,390
[reporter] Rupert Murdoch
is very ecumenical
793
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:35,766
about supporting candidates.
794
00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:37,560
He'll support a liberal
or conservative,
795
00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:40,771
whoever he thinks
is gonna win.
796
00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:44,150
[announcer]
Ladies and gentlemen,
797
00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,193
Governor Ronald Reagan.
798
00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:47,236
Good evening.
799
00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:51,407
I know that tonight, the fate
of America's 52 hostages
800
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:53,951
is very much
on the minds of all of us.
801
00:40:53,993 --> 00:40:56,871
Like you, there's nothing
I want more
802
00:40:56,912 --> 00:40:58,456
than their safe return,
803
00:40:58,497 --> 00:41:00,124
that they be reunited
with their families
804
00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:02,751
after this long year
of their imprisonment.
805
00:41:02,793 --> 00:41:05,546
soft dramatic music
806
00:41:05,588 --> 00:41:07,214
807
00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:10,509
[reporter] The whole election
campaign in 1980
808
00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:12,845
played out
with the Iran hostage crisis
809
00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:14,221
in the background.
810
00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:15,556
[announcer] Good evening.
811
00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:17,391
The U.S. embassy in Tehran
has been invaded
812
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,435
and occupied
by Iranian students.
813
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:21,604
The Americans inside
have been taken prisoner
814
00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,647
and, according to
a student spokesman,
815
00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:24,940
will be held as hostages
816
00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:27,693
until the deposed shah is
returned from the United States
817
00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,529
where he's receiving
medical treatment for cancer.
818
00:41:33,073 --> 00:41:35,701
[reporter] What happened was,
the shah of Iran
819
00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:38,996
had been overthrown.
820
00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,624
[Roger] The shah had been
put in power
821
00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:44,376
with the backing
of the U.S. military.
822
00:41:44,418 --> 00:41:45,878
The problem
for the United States
823
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,214
is that it has had
a series of presidents--
824
00:41:48,255 --> 00:41:50,716
and Richard Nixon may have been
chief among them--
825
00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,051
who so loved the shah,
826
00:41:52,092 --> 00:41:54,929
relied so heavily
on his powerful presence
827
00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:56,597
in the key part of the world,
828
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,432
that they were blinded
to his excesses
829
00:41:58,474 --> 00:41:59,767
and to the forces against him.
830
00:41:59,808 --> 00:42:02,353
He was a butcher.
He was a torturer.
831
00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:03,812
He was a despot.
All these things.
832
00:42:03,854 --> 00:42:05,773
[reporter] He'd been driven
out of the country
833
00:42:05,814 --> 00:42:10,611
by an Islamic revolution
led by the Ayatollah Khomeini.
834
00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,155
[reporter] When the shah
was sent off to exile,
835
00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:15,699
it turned out
he had terminal cancer.
836
00:42:15,741 --> 00:42:18,244
[Peter] The shah was looking
for a landing spot,
837
00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:21,956
and he found that landing spot
in the United States.
838
00:42:21,997 --> 00:42:27,044
It was very controversial,
and it enraged the Iranians.
839
00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:28,712
And that's when students
840
00:42:28,754 --> 00:42:32,091
who'd supported Khomeini
seized the embassy.
841
00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:33,842
[announcer]
Tonight, while the hostages
842
00:42:33,884 --> 00:42:35,302
in Tehran await their fate,
843
00:42:35,344 --> 00:42:38,847
the shah of Iran awaits his
in a New York City hospital.
844
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:40,391
Death to the shah!
845
00:42:40,432 --> 00:42:41,725
[all] Death to the shah!
846
00:42:41,767 --> 00:42:44,520
[George] Protesters were
all over at the hospital,
847
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:47,565
supporting
the Khomeini regime.
848
00:42:47,606 --> 00:42:50,693
chanting in Farsi
849
00:42:50,734 --> 00:42:55,698
He had guards all around.
No one got to see the shah.
850
00:42:55,739 --> 00:42:57,575
[Cindy]
The New York journalists
851
00:42:57,616 --> 00:42:59,910
were surrounding the hospital,
852
00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:03,831
hoping a bedpan carrier
from two floors away
853
00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,292
could give them
a piece of information.
854
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,461
Nobody could get near him.
855
00:43:09,503 --> 00:43:10,879
And I get a call
856
00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:14,550
from the shah's twin sister,
Princess Ashraf.
857
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:15,759
"Your Highness.
858
00:43:15,801 --> 00:43:18,762
Yes, well, His Majesty
is in the hospital."
859
00:43:18,804 --> 00:43:20,055
"Yes, I know.
860
00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:23,642
And His Majesty
has asked to see you."
861
00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:28,897
Cindy, knowing every
royal family on the planet,
862
00:43:28,939 --> 00:43:34,069
suddenly had access to this
controversial figure who was--
863
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:36,822
everyone wanted to talk to.
864
00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:38,782
dramatic music
865
00:43:38,824 --> 00:43:40,659
866
00:43:40,701 --> 00:43:42,494
[Cindy] The shah was my friend.
867
00:43:42,536 --> 00:43:44,872
I mean, I--it's not like
he invited me over
868
00:43:44,913 --> 00:43:48,459
for Passover or anything,
but he was my friend.
869
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:54,173
We met him in 1961
on the tour to Southeast Asia.
870
00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:58,010
We loved Tehran.
871
00:43:58,052 --> 00:43:59,928
We used to come back
every year
872
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:03,307
and visit the shah
in his palace.
873
00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:12,149
So now it's 1979.
874
00:44:12,191 --> 00:44:14,985
When the shah's sister
called me,
875
00:44:15,027 --> 00:44:16,278
you have to understand
876
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,116
that I wasn't the number-one
journalist in captivity.
877
00:44:21,158 --> 00:44:23,160
But that night, we were
having dinner
878
00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:26,455
with the editor in chief
of the New York Post,
879
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:31,001
and I had to call him to say
I couldn't make dinner.
880
00:44:31,043 --> 00:44:33,420
[Chandler] The editor,
whose name was Roger Wood,
881
00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:35,464
said, "You know, why are you
canceling my dinner?
882
00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:36,590
I was looking forward to it."
883
00:44:36,632 --> 00:44:37,800
And she said, "Oh, I have to go
884
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,553
and see my friend the shah
in hospital."
885
00:44:41,595 --> 00:44:42,930
Then there's a thud,
you know,
886
00:44:42,971 --> 00:44:44,932
he, like, dropped dead,
actually.
887
00:44:44,973 --> 00:44:46,350
He says,
"What are you talking about?"
888
00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:48,352
So I said, "His Majesty
asked to see me."
889
00:44:48,394 --> 00:44:50,604
He says, "Could you-could you
do something
890
00:44:50,646 --> 00:44:51,980
about it for us after?"
891
00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:55,317
I said, "I don't know."
He says, "Well, go, go, go, go.
892
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:58,237
Go see His Majesty
and call us after."
893
00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,782
[reporter] So Cindy somehow
makes her way in
894
00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:06,412
through crowds
who want the shah to die.
895
00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:15,170
[Cindy] His Majesty
was in a huge two-room suite.
896
00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:18,424
He was sitting
in white pajamas,
897
00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:20,008
and his skinny legs
898
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:22,594
were hanging off the bed
on slippers
899
00:45:22,636 --> 00:45:25,264
that were falling off.
900
00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:31,145
He had lost everything.
He had lost his kingdom.
901
00:45:31,186 --> 00:45:34,064
He had lost his power.
902
00:45:34,106 --> 00:45:37,693
He was losing his life.
903
00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:41,530
Having seen him
in such enormity,
904
00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:45,743
and now seeing him sitting
alone on a hospital bed...
905
00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:50,038
...that's what I remember.
906
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,168
Nobody--it was just His Majesty
and me, the two of us.
907
00:45:54,209 --> 00:45:56,879
Okay, so we're talking.
I was there for two hours.
908
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,339
I thought, "If I don't get out
of here, I'll kill myself."
909
00:45:59,381 --> 00:46:02,176
How much conversation
can you have with the shah?
910
00:46:02,217 --> 00:46:05,179
So I call the editor in chief,
and he says,
911
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:09,349
"Well, darling,
are you able to write this?"
912
00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:10,684
I wrote it.
913
00:46:10,726 --> 00:46:15,814
914
00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:26,366
The story
went around the world.
915
00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:29,203
We couldn't get a camera
into the hospital.
916
00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:30,871
They wouldn't allow it.
917
00:46:30,913 --> 00:46:32,289
So the front page is me
918
00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:35,709
sitting with the shah,
Mrs. Shah,
919
00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:37,586
the empress.
920
00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:43,675
It said, "New York Post's
Cindy Adams."
921
00:46:45,636 --> 00:46:46,929
World exclusive.
922
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:50,516
My first time
on the New York Post.
923
00:46:51,558 --> 00:46:55,312
[Col] The idea that this
desired interview would fall
924
00:46:55,354 --> 00:47:00,150
into the hands of the
New York Post was stunning.
925
00:47:00,192 --> 00:47:03,362
That was enough for Roger
to grasp quickly that,
926
00:47:03,403 --> 00:47:07,199
"Wait a minute,
this woman is something else."
927
00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:11,078
And so soon came the order
to meet Cindy
928
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,331
and get her going on a column.
929
00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:18,085
[Cindy] They knew
I had to know something
930
00:47:18,126 --> 00:47:22,840
because I'd been on television,
and I had done Sukarno.
931
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,636
But I didn't wanna do it.
932
00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:30,013
I was A, scared.
933
00:47:30,055 --> 00:47:32,891
B, I didn't know
I could do it.
934
00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:34,017
Finally, Joey said,
935
00:47:34,059 --> 00:47:35,561
"We'll try it
for a couple of weeks.
936
00:47:35,602 --> 00:47:37,938
You don't like it,
you don't have to do it."
937
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:40,148
And then I--
and then it happened.
938
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:41,608
What-what could I do?
939
00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:44,653
brisk dramatic music
940
00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:49,867
941
00:47:51,326 --> 00:47:53,954
What I did was the three
or four people
942
00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:58,500
I was having dinner with,
I would write about.
943
00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:02,880
I mean, I lived next door
to Jackie Kennedy.
944
00:48:06,091 --> 00:48:10,554
I was already having dinner
with Frank Sinatra,
945
00:48:10,596 --> 00:48:11,889
who said to me,
946
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:13,640
"How do you get
through the night, kid?"
947
00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:14,892
I said, "I go to sleep.
948
00:48:14,933 --> 00:48:16,226
"That's how I get through
the night.
949
00:48:16,268 --> 00:48:18,437
How do you get through
the night, Frank?"
950
00:48:18,478 --> 00:48:21,148
He said,
"Johnnie Walker Black."
951
00:48:21,189 --> 00:48:22,774
There were people
who made news.
952
00:48:22,816 --> 00:48:24,067
They were people
on television,
953
00:48:24,109 --> 00:48:26,945
on radio, on movies.
954
00:48:26,987 --> 00:48:30,240
They were our friends.
955
00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:43,003
When Ronald Reagan
was running for president,
956
00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:46,757
the Post said,
"Hey Joey, bring him down."
957
00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:48,383
[Peter] I got to meet Reagan.
958
00:48:48,425 --> 00:48:51,345
He came
into the "Page Six" office.
959
00:48:51,386 --> 00:48:53,388
He walked over,
shook my hand, and I said,
960
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:56,600
"I'm not voting for you."
He goes, "I don't care."
961
00:48:57,684 --> 00:49:02,022
[Roger] Of course,
the Post did endorse Reagan.
962
00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:03,231
I mean, my God,
963
00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:05,817
New York City newspaper
supporting Ronald Reagan?
964
00:49:05,859 --> 00:49:06,860
It was quite amazing.
965
00:49:06,902 --> 00:49:09,071
PS:
Reagan carried New York state
966
00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:10,739
by a slim margin.
967
00:49:10,781 --> 00:49:13,784
dramatic music
968
00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:18,872
969
00:49:19,081 --> 00:49:21,041
[Cindy] There is
a certain amount of power
970
00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:25,504
that you have
if you're on a newspaper.
971
00:49:26,421 --> 00:49:29,091
Once I got the column,
972
00:49:29,132 --> 00:49:31,551
I was hungry to make my mark.
973
00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:36,014
And I went
after the big, big stories.
974
00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:37,307
[announcer] It's the tale
975
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:38,684
that's wagging
the whole country,
976
00:49:38,725 --> 00:49:41,812
a marital split between
the billionaire builder
977
00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:43,814
and his foreign-born bride.
978
00:49:43,855 --> 00:49:44,773
What about Woody Allen?
979
00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:47,150
I mean, I just think
he's a pig and a dog
980
00:49:47,192 --> 00:49:48,443
and a rat and a skunk.
981
00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:50,904
[Chandler]
Sex, crime, scandal.
982
00:49:50,946 --> 00:49:53,281
It was
a gossip reporter's dream.
983
00:49:53,323 --> 00:49:56,618
We're not naive.
We know we are being used.
984
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:58,161
[Jim] What are you
gonna do for me?
985
00:49:58,203 --> 00:49:59,913
That's the lifeblood of gossip.
986
00:49:59,955 --> 00:50:01,498
-Say hi to my friend Rob.
-Hi.
987
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:04,001
[A.J.] Harvey knew what people
to keep close to him
988
00:50:04,042 --> 00:50:07,295
because of our influence
and our power.
989
00:50:07,337 --> 00:50:09,256
[reporter] We were all
addicted to the attention
990
00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:11,341
that we're getting,
that we were giving each other.
991
00:50:11,383 --> 00:50:13,802
[Ben] Gossip is
frequently disparaged,
992
00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:17,139
but the trashy stuff
connects to the bigger picture,
993
00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:20,684
and we ignore it at our peril.
994
00:50:22,102 --> 00:50:24,563
This is Cindy Adams,
and this was our first show.
995
00:50:24,604 --> 00:50:26,398
Thank you
for watching it this far.
996
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,567
I promise you one thing,
if you ever do a show,
997
00:50:28,608 --> 00:50:32,070
I'll watch this far for you.
See you tomorrow.
998
00:50:32,112 --> 00:50:35,115
dramatic music
999
00:50:35,157 --> 00:50:40,412
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