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In the city of Los Angeles,
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the people are represented
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by two separate yet equally
important groups...
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The police, who
investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys who
prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Firefighters are battling
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the blaze for a third day.
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The fast-moving wildfire
began
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just after 9:00 A.M. Sunday,
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two miles north
of Big Rock Mesa.
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As Santa ana winds continue
to fan the flames,
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authorities have ordered
the evacuation
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of dozens of homes.
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- It, uh, looks like we got more
people than usual for breakfast.
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- It's always like this
after a wildfire.
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It's not just the homeowners
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that get burned
out of the hills.
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- Hey, Freddy,
aren't you gonna eat?
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- He's a wreck.
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Sick over Jenny.
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- She's in the Canyon,
at the camp.
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She's gonna get caught
in the fire.
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- Well, didn't they evacuate
that area?
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- Jenny wouldn't go.
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Her cat just had kittens.
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I'm gonna rescue her, David.
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- No, I don't think that's
a such good idea, Freddy.
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Why don't we call
the fire department?
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- They wouldn't let me pass.
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The road's barricaded.
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Jenny's gonna burn.
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- No, I don't want you going
up there by yourself.
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We'll figure something out.
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- Hey, hey, hey!
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All right, folks,
you're gonna have to move back.
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This is an emergency area.
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- We need to protect our houses.
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With the wind, the fire's
gonna jump over the break.
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- We can't let you up there.
It's firefighters only.
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- We want to save our homes!
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- Please!
I don't have insurance!
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- Look, ma'am, I'm sorry.
You're gonna have to move back.
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- Come on.
- All of you!
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- Finally some good news
for southland residents.
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After five days of battling
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one of the most difficult
wildfires in recent memory,
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firefighters got a hand
from mother nature,
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with intermittent
heavy rain showers
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helping them put
this blaze under control.
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Unfortunately,
some homes were lost.
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The cause
is still undetermined,
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but authorities
are suspecting arson.
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- Dean, over here!
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I got three bodies here.
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Call it in.
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Tell them to send
homicide detectives.
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This one's got a bullet hole
in his head.
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- Two males, one female.
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They were camping here?
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- Some homeless people
obviously were,
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but I don't know
about these three.
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The main fire started
about two miles north of here.
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We suspect arson.
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But the second fire,
which started two days later,
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had a point of origin
right in this area.
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Now, if you can see this.
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This is brake fluid,
often used as an accelerant.
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We also found traces
of brake fluid
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at the main fire's
point of origin.
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- Same arsonist both times.
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- That's what we're thinkin'.
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You know what they say,
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the bigger the fire,
the bigger his thrill.
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- And these three
just happened to walk in on him?
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- I hope he thinks the thrill
is worth a seat on death row.
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Adriano_CSI
www.addic7ed.com
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Smoking and fire
weren't the consequences.
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Jane Doe, blunt force trauma
to the posterior skull.
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John Doe senior, penetrating
trauma to the anterior skull.
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- From some kind
of heavy blade.
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- My nine-year-old could've
guessed that.
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Now that you're
back to being a cop,
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you have to do better
than "heavy blade."
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- Okay.
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- John Doe junior,
bullet wound.
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Recovered a nine-millimeter slug
from his brain.
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He also has a serrated-edge cut
to the posterior skull.
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- No I.D. In their clothes.
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You pull any prints
from the bodies?
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- Not possible.
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Dental records won't be
of much help for the first two.
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From the looks of it,
it's been years
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since they've seen a toothbrush,
let alone a dentist.
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- Junior looks like he's
just come from the orthodontist.
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- Not only that, he had
a titanium knee replacement
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within the last year.
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There's a serial number.
We should be able to trace it.
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- New titanium knee.
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Not standard issue
for the homeless.
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- Maybe his hedge fund
went belly up.
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- I'm not saying
that it never happens,
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but arsonists
usually work alone.
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- Well, say this one didn't.
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What does
that say about his profile?
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- Well, I guess you could
eliminate the sexual thrill,
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because he's not gonna
want an audience for that.
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Maybe a revenge arson.
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- What can you say
about the arson method?
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- The first fire
on Sunday morning,
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the suspect used
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a combination match-and-tin-foil
starter device
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with brake fluid
as the accelerant, like this.
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The second fire, though,
he just used matches.
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- Can you show us
where the first fire was set?
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- Yeah, right here,
ten miles up this road.
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- The nearest outlet
off the road is Mulholland,
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about a quarter mile
from the rock slide inn.
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Pretty big
with Sunday morning bikers.
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What?
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I hung up my colors,
not my bike.
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- We had to close last Sunday
right after brunch.
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The smoke was choking.
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Anybody come in between 9:00
and 10:00, acting a little off?
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Maybe two guys?
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- Yeah. Just after 9:00,
two guys in a blue truck.
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One of them had
his arm wrapped,
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asked where the John was.
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- His arm was injured?
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- Well, I couldn't see,
'cause of the wrap,
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but the hair on his hand
looked kind of singed.
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I should have called the cops,
but my ex dumped off my kid.
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- It's okay.
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You notice anything else
about the truck, license plates?
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- No, but--but the other guy,
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when his buddy was in the John,
he ordered a beer.
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I told him, no food, no beer,
so he got a burger.
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He was short on cash,
so he charged it.
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- Last Sunday,
you charged a meal Sunday
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at the rock slide inn.
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What were you doing up there?
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- I was, uh, taking a drive.
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- All by yourself?
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- Yeah.
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Clearing my head.
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- Duane, the waitress
said you had a buddy with you.
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- Right, uh,
that's not my buddy.
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That's my brother-in-law.
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That doesn't count.
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- She also said your
brother-in-law burned his arm.
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- I don't know
why she'd say that.
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- This ointment,
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maybe she meant
you burned yourself?
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- No. I just dve.
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Uh,
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Blake, uh, burned himself
on the engine block,
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checking the oil.
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Engine was overheated.
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- Well, I guess
we better talk to Blake.
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- Hup.
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- Yeah, so I burned myself.
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So what?
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- So you and Duane
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in the vicinity
of the fire,
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you with a burn on your arm,
just a coincidence?
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- Hey, they happen.
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- You studying
to be a firefighter?
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- No, it's just an interest.
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- Or another coincidence.
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- It's tough
to make the cut.
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Have to keep yourself
in shape.
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But the exam,
hear it's hard to pass.
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- Not if you have the aptitude.
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- Oh, you took the exam?
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- Aced it
as a matter of fact.
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- But you're not a firefighter.
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What happened,
they turn you down?
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- No. I decided against it.
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The money wasn't great,
okay?
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Can I get back
to my workout now?
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- Sure.
Don't forget to hydrate.
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- Blake humphry.
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Yeah, I remember him.
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Took the exam last July.
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- He told us he passed.
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- He did.
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Even passed the physical
with flying colors.
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But no way was this guy gonna
get into the department.
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- Psych profile?
- You got it.
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Antisocial tendencies,
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borderline personality,
impulse control issues,
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fascination with fire.
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All the red flags
for pyromania.
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- It's not us saying this
about Blake.
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It's the experts.
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And now you're gonna
be lumped in with him.
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- An antisocial pyromaniac.
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- That's not me.
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- Only way to prove that
is to tell the truth.
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- I had nothing to do
with the fire.
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It was Blake.
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I only drove him up there.
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He promised me 100 bucks,
which he didn't even pay.
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- What about the second fire?
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- What second fire?
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- There was another arson
on Tuesday in Big Rock Mesa.
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- Must have been Blake.
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I--I was working.
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He was bragging about showing up
the fire department,
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proving he was smarter
than they were.
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I told my sister
not to marry him.
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- This is the starter
from the first fire.
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And this is a photo
of a similar device
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that we found in a manual
in your apartment.
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You studied that design.
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- And then
there's Duane's statement.
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- Duane is a liar
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and an idiot.
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- Well, that part's true.
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We couldn't figure
why a clever guy like you
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needed him at all,
and then we realized,
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it's no fun doing something
clever if no one knows.
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And that fire on Sunday
was clever.
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- But what the fire department's
really buzzing about
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is the second arson,
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the one on Tuesday.
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Now, that one caused them
a lot of grief.
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- That one was yours, too,
right?
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- See, we assumed, because of
the complexity of the starter,
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that you were the architect
of the second arson.
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- Yeah.
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Yeah, that one was me, too.
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- Ah. The particular design
of the starter,
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with the matches
in a circular pattern.
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So much more sophisticated
than the diagram in the manual.
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- I made a few improvements.
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- Oh, it's very ingenious.
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So, uh, how did you start it,
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the, uh...The second fire?
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- The starter's the same
as the first one.
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But I used aluminum foil
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to hold the matches together.
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That really ignites
the accelerant.
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Fire Department should have been
able to figure that one out.
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- Excuse us.
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- There was no aluminum foil
at the second fire.
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- He's describing
a fire he didn't set.
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- There was brake fluid
at the second fire,
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same as the first.
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Maybe our victims walked
in on a copycat arsonist.
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- Or they were killed
for a different reason
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and the killers set a copycat
fire to cover their tracks.
253
00:10:36,313 --> 00:10:38,281
- So who'd want to kill
three homeless people?
254
00:10:38,282 --> 00:10:40,616
- That's way
above my pay grade, okay?
255
00:10:40,617 --> 00:10:42,877
But for this,
I owe you one.
256
00:10:42,878 --> 00:10:44,904
Thanks.
257
00:10:47,791 --> 00:10:50,117
- One arsonist down,
258
00:10:50,118 --> 00:10:51,560
one murderer to go.
259
00:10:59,222 --> 00:11:01,422
Our son, David...
260
00:11:02,123 --> 00:11:04,934
- Are you sure?
- The serial number on the titanium knee
261
00:11:04,935 --> 00:11:06,902
traced back to him
at this address.
262
00:11:06,903 --> 00:11:09,004
- He had his knee replaced
last summer.
263
00:11:09,005 --> 00:11:11,031
He injured it in high school.
264
00:11:11,032 --> 00:11:12,741
Oh, God!
265
00:11:12,742 --> 00:11:14,910
We're very sorry
for your loss.
266
00:11:14,911 --> 00:11:17,146
Where did you find him?
267
00:11:17,147 --> 00:11:19,515
Near Big Rock Mesa
after the fire.
268
00:11:19,516 --> 00:11:21,517
He was shot,
we think murdered.
269
00:11:21,518 --> 00:11:23,903
- That makes no sense.
270
00:11:23,904 --> 00:11:26,922
- When was the last time
you spoke to David?
271
00:11:26,923 --> 00:11:30,526
- Sunday night.
272
00:11:30,527 --> 00:11:32,361
He's a law student
at pepperdine.
273
00:11:32,362 --> 00:11:34,930
We didn't even know
he was missing.
274
00:11:34,931 --> 00:11:37,533
- He was found in
a homeless camp in the canyon.
275
00:11:40,003 --> 00:11:42,505
- He worked with the homeless.
276
00:11:42,506 --> 00:11:46,500
He got a d.U.I. Last year.
277
00:11:46,501 --> 00:11:47,935
And he did
his community service
278
00:11:47,936 --> 00:11:50,045
at a soup kitchen
in Santa Monica.
279
00:11:50,046 --> 00:11:52,648
He kept at it ever since.
280
00:11:52,649 --> 00:11:53,882
- Said he liked the guys.
281
00:11:53,883 --> 00:11:58,854
Said they each
had their own story to tell.
282
00:11:58,855 --> 00:12:01,957
- Sounds like David
was a good person.
283
00:12:09,932 --> 00:12:12,493
- Someone shot David?
284
00:12:12,494 --> 00:12:15,571
The world's gone to hell
in a hand basket.
285
00:12:15,572 --> 00:12:18,240
He was one
of our nicest volunteers.
286
00:12:18,241 --> 00:12:21,101
- When was the last time
he worked here?
287
00:12:21,102 --> 00:12:23,003
- Tuesday morning.
288
00:12:23,004 --> 00:12:25,439
- Anybody
you haven't seen lately?
289
00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,008
- Freddy roga.
290
00:12:28,009 --> 00:12:30,586
Uh, uh...
291
00:12:30,587 --> 00:12:33,122
50-something,
about yea tall,
292
00:12:33,123 --> 00:12:37,718
African-American,
missing front teeth.
293
00:12:37,719 --> 00:12:40,320
Oh, bad news
about Freddy, huh?
294
00:12:40,321 --> 00:12:42,631
- Someone matching that
description was with David.
295
00:12:42,632 --> 00:12:44,833
Do you know what they were doing
up there during the fire?
296
00:12:44,834 --> 00:12:47,603
- Freddy wanted to go rescue
his girlfriend, Jenny.
297
00:12:47,604 --> 00:12:49,329
She stayed behind
at the camp.
298
00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:52,041
- Jenny wear a silver charm
around her neck?
299
00:12:52,042 --> 00:12:54,043
- Oh, dear!
300
00:12:54,044 --> 00:12:58,947
Freddy kept pestering David
all morning to go get her.
301
00:12:58,948 --> 00:13:00,782
- The access roads
were closed.
302
00:13:00,783 --> 00:13:03,285
You have any idea how they
might have gotten up there?
303
00:13:03,286 --> 00:13:06,680
- David drove an old jeep.
304
00:13:06,681 --> 00:13:10,592
God. Some people are too nice
for their own good.
305
00:13:13,162 --> 00:13:15,964
- I don't know why anyone would
want to live up here.
306
00:13:15,965 --> 00:13:17,224
It's like the apocalypse.
307
00:13:17,225 --> 00:13:18,967
Mudslides, fires.
308
00:13:18,968 --> 00:13:20,561
- It's the California spirit.
309
00:13:20,562 --> 00:13:23,063
You know, going toe to toe
with nature.
310
00:13:23,064 --> 00:13:24,331
- Looks like nature's winning.
311
00:13:24,332 --> 00:13:26,433
Give me the flats
of Beverly hills any day.
312
00:13:26,434 --> 00:13:28,201
- Coward.
313
00:13:28,202 --> 00:13:30,270
We're all gonna end up
under water anyway.
314
00:13:30,271 --> 00:13:33,741
If it's not the big quake,
it's the superstorm.
315
00:13:33,742 --> 00:13:35,409
- You're a real optimist,
aren't you?
316
00:13:35,410 --> 00:13:36,652
- I still live here.
317
00:13:36,653 --> 00:13:38,712
- Cozy little subdivision.
318
00:13:38,713 --> 00:13:40,889
Looks like the fire missed it.
319
00:13:40,890 --> 00:13:42,190
- Pull up over here.
320
00:13:54,087 --> 00:13:56,630
Landscaping gravel--
colored glass.
321
00:13:56,631 --> 00:14:00,342
Freddy roga had colored glass
in the treads of his boots.
322
00:14:00,343 --> 00:14:01,802
Maybe they were here
that day,
323
00:14:01,803 --> 00:14:03,537
lost or looking for shelter.
324
00:14:03,538 --> 00:14:06,248
- We can always ask
the locals.
325
00:14:09,218 --> 00:14:10,286
- Help you?
326
00:14:10,287 --> 00:14:11,779
- L.A.P.D., Mr...?
327
00:14:11,780 --> 00:14:13,080
- Patrick denton.
328
00:14:13,081 --> 00:14:14,915
- See your property
made it through the fire.
329
00:14:14,916 --> 00:14:16,383
- Yeah, we did all right.
330
00:14:16,384 --> 00:14:18,619
Touch and go.
331
00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:20,921
- You see anybody
up here Tuesday, Mr. laight?
332
00:14:20,922 --> 00:14:22,698
- Nah, we were
all gone by then.
333
00:14:22,699 --> 00:14:24,958
Fire department
evacuated us on Monday.
334
00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:26,535
We didn't get back up here
till yesterday.
335
00:14:26,536 --> 00:14:28,203
Why?
What's all this about?
336
00:14:28,204 --> 00:14:30,097
- We think there
may have been some transients
337
00:14:30,098 --> 00:14:31,707
up here during the fire.
338
00:14:31,708 --> 00:14:34,042
- Well,
we were gone by then.
339
00:14:34,043 --> 00:14:35,210
- You notice any disturbance
340
00:14:35,211 --> 00:14:36,812
to your property
when you came back?
341
00:14:36,813 --> 00:14:38,180
I mean, aside
from the fire damage?
342
00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:40,349
- Uh, screen on the side door
was ripped.
343
00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:41,817
I think it was animals.
344
00:14:41,818 --> 00:14:43,243
- There's a campsite
for the homeless
345
00:14:43,244 --> 00:14:44,386
about a quarter mile away.
346
00:14:44,387 --> 00:14:46,313
You had
any contact with them?
347
00:14:46,314 --> 00:14:47,648
- Some.
348
00:14:47,649 --> 00:14:48,982
They've been up here,
fighting over garbage,
349
00:14:48,983 --> 00:14:50,184
making a mess.
350
00:14:50,185 --> 00:14:52,461
- You recognize
any of these people?
351
00:14:58,501 --> 00:15:00,002
- Uh, yeah.
352
00:15:00,003 --> 00:15:01,495
I caught her going
through my recycling bin
353
00:15:01,496 --> 00:15:03,038
about a month ago.
354
00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:04,573
- These run-ins
with the homeless,
355
00:15:04,574 --> 00:15:05,808
you ever file a police report?
356
00:15:05,809 --> 00:15:07,876
- Sure.
Doesn't do any good.
357
00:15:07,877 --> 00:15:10,604
There's a no-camping ordinance,
it's never enforced.
358
00:15:10,605 --> 00:15:12,639
It's always something
with these guys, you know?
359
00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,149
Fightin', drinkin'.
360
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:15,884
- You ever see any of them
with a gun?
361
00:15:15,885 --> 00:15:17,277
- No.
362
00:15:17,278 --> 00:15:19,847
Listen, I...
I gotta clean my pool.
363
00:15:19,848 --> 00:15:21,548
- Sure.
364
00:15:21,549 --> 00:15:23,625
If you think of anything,
give us a call.
365
00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:28,789
Not fans
of their homeless brethren.
366
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:32,726
- I'm sure
the feeling's mutual.
367
00:15:32,727 --> 00:15:34,828
- That couldn't be me.
I'm live and let live, you know.
368
00:15:34,829 --> 00:15:36,905
- You don't remember being cited
for disturbing the peace?
369
00:15:36,906 --> 00:15:38,365
It's right here
in the police report.
370
00:15:38,366 --> 00:15:40,000
The homeowners said you
and Freddy were fighting.
371
00:15:40,001 --> 00:15:41,910
- I loved Freddy,
rest his soul.
372
00:15:41,911 --> 00:15:43,412
It was those people,
373
00:15:43,413 --> 00:15:45,706
they were always
making trouble for us.
374
00:15:45,707 --> 00:15:47,783
- Who, the homeowners?
375
00:15:47,784 --> 00:15:49,042
- Yeah.
376
00:15:49,043 --> 00:15:51,678
Chasing us off with a hose
like we were dogs.
377
00:15:51,679 --> 00:15:53,288
They act like
they're the kings up there,
378
00:15:53,289 --> 00:15:55,457
but the mountains
belong to God.
379
00:15:55,458 --> 00:15:58,126
Hey, sir, can you spare
a dollar for a vet?
380
00:15:58,127 --> 00:15:59,561
- Ray?
381
00:15:59,562 --> 00:16:03,323
Tuesday, you go up
the canyon with Freddy?
382
00:16:03,324 --> 00:16:05,192
- No. Too scary.
383
00:16:05,193 --> 00:16:06,968
I got out
of there Sunday night.
384
00:16:06,969 --> 00:16:09,004
You could see the flames
385
00:16:09,005 --> 00:16:10,972
lighting up the sky from
the other side of the hills.
386
00:16:10,973 --> 00:16:13,500
But the people
in the houses?
387
00:16:13,501 --> 00:16:15,269
They were
having a pool party
388
00:16:15,270 --> 00:16:17,112
while they watched
the world burn.
389
00:16:17,113 --> 00:16:19,148
- A pool party, you're sure?
- Yeah.
390
00:16:19,149 --> 00:16:20,649
We could hear them,
splashing around,
391
00:16:20,650 --> 00:16:23,886
the kids were hootin'
and hollerin'.
392
00:16:23,887 --> 00:16:25,904
No common sense.
- Here.
393
00:16:29,358 --> 00:16:31,585
- This morning, the pools
I saw were drained.
394
00:16:31,586 --> 00:16:33,587
- If the fire department
re-routed
395
00:16:33,588 --> 00:16:35,555
the residential water supply
to fight the fire,
396
00:16:35,556 --> 00:16:37,266
maybe the homeowners
used the pool water
397
00:16:37,267 --> 00:16:38,692
to wet down their roofs.
398
00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:41,461
- But when?
They were evacuated Monday.
399
00:16:41,462 --> 00:16:42,938
- The fire marshal confirmed
400
00:16:42,939 --> 00:16:46,032
water to the houses
was cut off Monday at noon.
401
00:16:46,033 --> 00:16:48,710
So in theory, if everybody
was evacuated Monday,
402
00:16:48,711 --> 00:16:50,846
the houses must
have sat empty until Friday
403
00:16:50,847 --> 00:16:52,514
when the evacuation order
was lifted.
404
00:16:52,515 --> 00:16:54,349
- Then what
do you make of this?
405
00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:56,718
The houses at Big Rock Mesa are
equipped with smart meters.
406
00:16:56,719 --> 00:16:59,187
D.W.P. Can remote-access
the day-by-day use
407
00:16:59,188 --> 00:17:01,022
of electricity
in all the houses.
408
00:17:01,023 --> 00:17:03,759
This is the last week
at Patrick denton's house.
409
00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,928
Sunday,
before they were evacuated,
410
00:17:05,929 --> 00:17:07,863
normal
electricity consumption.
411
00:17:07,864 --> 00:17:10,532
Monday,
when they were evacuated,
412
00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:11,967
consumption drops 90%.
413
00:17:11,968 --> 00:17:13,936
Then it spikes
back up on Tuesday.
414
00:17:13,937 --> 00:17:15,504
- When the houses
were supposed to be empty.
415
00:17:15,505 --> 00:17:17,906
- Right. Then it goes
back down on Wednesday
416
00:17:17,907 --> 00:17:20,309
until Friday when they were
allowed back in the houses.
417
00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:21,844
Same story
with Joe laight
418
00:17:21,845 --> 00:17:23,178
and the other eight neighbors.
419
00:17:23,179 --> 00:17:26,106
- Somebody was in there Tuesday,
burning electricity.
420
00:17:26,107 --> 00:17:27,440
- Using an electric pump
421
00:17:27,441 --> 00:17:29,009
to pump water from their pools
onto their roofs.
422
00:17:29,010 --> 00:17:30,644
- They snuck past
the police lines
423
00:17:30,645 --> 00:17:32,145
to get back into their houses.
424
00:17:32,146 --> 00:17:33,789
- Ran into our victims,
got into a fight.
425
00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:35,682
- First, we gotta prove
they were there.
426
00:17:35,683 --> 00:17:39,060
- I know
this news camerawoman,
427
00:17:39,061 --> 00:17:40,829
always hanging
off of a chopper.
428
00:17:40,830 --> 00:17:42,923
Maybe she got footage
of these guys,
429
00:17:42,924 --> 00:17:44,265
standing on their roofs.
430
00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:49,705
- No one got any footage.
431
00:17:49,706 --> 00:17:51,072
It was a no-fly zone.
432
00:17:51,073 --> 00:17:53,266
- You gonna let a little rule
scare you away?
433
00:17:53,267 --> 00:17:54,877
You're getting soft,
Brittany.
434
00:17:54,878 --> 00:17:57,504
- You can check me
for soft spots later, tj.
435
00:17:57,505 --> 00:18:00,816
The fire department choppers
kept chasing us away.
436
00:18:00,817 --> 00:18:02,184
I got no residential footage,
437
00:18:02,185 --> 00:18:04,011
nothing in Big Rock Mesa,
438
00:18:04,012 --> 00:18:06,555
nobody on their roof, heroically
trying to save their homes.
439
00:18:06,556 --> 00:18:10,859
- Except our homeowners
don't know that.
440
00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:12,761
- Hi. Thanks for meeting me.
441
00:18:12,762 --> 00:18:13,795
- Yeah. Joe.
442
00:18:13,796 --> 00:18:16,189
- Brittany.
- Patrick.
443
00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:18,392
- Like I told you
on the phone,
444
00:18:18,393 --> 00:18:19,601
we have footage of you
445
00:18:19,602 --> 00:18:21,361
on the roof of your homes
last Tuesday,
446
00:18:21,362 --> 00:18:22,838
with your hoses,
fire coming up the hill.
447
00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:25,273
Terrific visuals.
448
00:18:25,274 --> 00:18:26,942
But we need you to sign
a release form
449
00:18:26,943 --> 00:18:28,168
before we can use it.
450
00:18:28,169 --> 00:18:30,846
So I have the papers
right here.
451
00:18:30,847 --> 00:18:33,048
- Thing is, miss rust,
452
00:18:33,049 --> 00:18:35,175
uh, we were hoping
we could buy the footage.
453
00:18:35,176 --> 00:18:36,910
- I don't understand.
454
00:18:36,911 --> 00:18:38,854
- We don't want the attention.
455
00:18:38,855 --> 00:18:40,923
- You're heroes.
456
00:18:40,924 --> 00:18:43,692
Don't be modest.
457
00:18:43,693 --> 00:18:46,428
- Look, it was
an evacuated area.
458
00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:47,963
We weren't
supposed to be there.
459
00:18:47,964 --> 00:18:50,298
- We don't want our faces
plastered all over the news,
460
00:18:50,299 --> 00:18:52,334
so if we could
just buy the footage...
461
00:18:52,335 --> 00:18:53,769
- Okay.
462
00:18:53,770 --> 00:18:55,136
- Thanks.
463
00:19:03,112 --> 00:19:04,312
- Will that work?
464
00:19:04,313 --> 00:19:07,783
- Ought to be enough
for a search warrant.
465
00:19:07,784 --> 00:19:09,585
- This isn't right.
We haven't done anything wrong.
466
00:19:09,586 --> 00:19:10,877
- You lied to us,
Mr. denton.
467
00:19:10,878 --> 00:19:12,379
You ignored
an evacuation order
468
00:19:12,380 --> 00:19:14,556
and knowingly re-entered
an emergency zone,
469
00:19:14,557 --> 00:19:16,216
which is a crime.
470
00:19:16,217 --> 00:19:17,426
- Now you're here.
471
00:19:17,427 --> 00:19:19,327
Where were you when we were
alone up here--
472
00:19:19,328 --> 00:19:21,221
- Anna, it's okay.
Don't talk to them.
473
00:19:21,222 --> 00:19:23,197
- Detectives, I think
we have something here.
474
00:19:25,134 --> 00:19:29,638
This area was washed down with
bleach within the last week.
475
00:19:29,639 --> 00:19:31,064
- Hmm.
476
00:19:31,065 --> 00:19:33,075
Maybe to clean up blood
after a gunshot wound?
477
00:19:33,076 --> 00:19:35,268
- Well, if David holloway
was shot here,
478
00:19:35,269 --> 00:19:37,437
he fell down,
479
00:19:37,438 --> 00:19:38,480
hit his head.
480
00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:40,815
That look
like a match to you?
481
00:19:45,771 --> 00:19:49,049
- Mr. denton, we're placing
you under arrest for murder.
482
00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:50,917
- Put your hands
behind your back.
483
00:19:50,918 --> 00:19:52,227
- My husband is innocent.
- Anna!
484
00:19:52,228 --> 00:19:53,586
- Those homeless people
got killed by their own--
485
00:19:53,587 --> 00:19:54,754
- Anna, listen to me.
486
00:19:54,755 --> 00:19:56,623
Call Paul roth,
tell him what's happening.
487
00:19:56,624 --> 00:19:57,924
Nobody say anything
to the police!
488
00:19:57,925 --> 00:19:59,259
Nobody say anything!
489
00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:00,802
They've already
made up their minds!
490
00:20:00,803 --> 00:20:02,395
Don't help them hurt us!
- Let's go.
491
00:20:02,396 --> 00:20:03,672
- Call Paul Roth!
492
00:20:08,646 --> 00:20:10,446
$USD 50000 bail?
493
00:20:10,447 --> 00:20:12,581
Who was the judge,
Dirty Harry?
494
00:20:12,582 --> 00:20:13,491
- Don't blame him.
495
00:20:13,492 --> 00:20:15,793
At this point, our evidence
against denton is paper thin.
496
00:20:15,794 --> 00:20:17,252
He must've been
on his hands and knees
497
00:20:17,253 --> 00:20:18,720
with a toothbrush
and a bucket of bleach
498
00:20:18,721 --> 00:20:19,897
to clean that floor.
499
00:20:19,898 --> 00:20:21,657
There wasn't
a speck of blood left.
500
00:20:21,658 --> 00:20:24,502
Well, what about the cut
found on Holloway's head?
501
00:20:24,503 --> 00:20:26,270
Can't the police match
that to the saw blade?
502
00:20:26,271 --> 00:20:27,596
- The saw blade was new.
503
00:20:27,597 --> 00:20:29,498
Denton must've replaced it.
504
00:20:29,499 --> 00:20:31,233
- Well, we have one thing
going for us.
505
00:20:31,234 --> 00:20:33,168
Denton didn't act alone.
506
00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:36,280
Somebody else helped him carry
them to the campsite
507
00:20:36,281 --> 00:20:37,882
and set the fire.
508
00:20:37,883 --> 00:20:39,383
- I vote for the neighbors.
509
00:20:39,384 --> 00:20:43,946
- The one who tried to buy
the news footage with denton,
510
00:20:43,947 --> 00:20:45,981
we start with him.
511
00:20:45,982 --> 00:20:47,724
- It's not fair
what you're doing to Patrick.
512
00:20:47,725 --> 00:20:49,193
He's a good guy.
513
00:20:49,194 --> 00:20:50,494
- Yeah, so was
the boy he shot.
514
00:20:50,495 --> 00:20:51,954
A 22-year-old law student.
515
00:20:51,955 --> 00:20:53,030
- It's a shame what happened,
516
00:20:53,031 --> 00:20:54,498
but we had nothing
to do with that.
517
00:20:54,499 --> 00:20:56,267
We snuck up there
to save our homes.
518
00:20:56,268 --> 00:20:57,735
We didn't see anybody.
519
00:20:57,736 --> 00:20:59,103
- We know those people
were on your property.
520
00:20:59,104 --> 00:21:00,863
- Well, it must have happened
after we left.
521
00:21:00,864 --> 00:21:03,240
Patrick's house
was broken into.
522
00:21:03,241 --> 00:21:07,211
- Mr. laight, you and Mr. denton
lied to the police,
523
00:21:07,212 --> 00:21:10,138
you and Mr. denton
both tried to buy evidence.
524
00:21:10,139 --> 00:21:12,307
You better start telling us
the truth now,
525
00:21:12,308 --> 00:21:15,986
before somebody else does,
trying to save his own skin!
526
00:21:17,805 --> 00:21:19,123
- We came back,
527
00:21:19,124 --> 00:21:21,149
we pumped out our pools,
we soaked down the roofs,
528
00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:22,759
we cleared the brush,
and then we left,
529
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,819
all of us.
530
00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:26,530
- All of you.
How many is that?
531
00:21:26,531 --> 00:21:29,892
- I'm gonna tell you,
so you can go after them, too?
532
00:21:29,893 --> 00:21:31,768
I don't think so.
533
00:21:34,405 --> 00:21:36,740
- Next one.
534
00:21:36,741 --> 00:21:39,376
- I only wanted
to keep my house from burning.
535
00:21:39,377 --> 00:21:42,546
After my divorce,
this is all I got.
536
00:21:42,547 --> 00:21:44,915
I couldn't even keep up
with the insurance premiums.
537
00:21:44,916 --> 00:21:48,085
- You hosed off the roof
with water from your pool.
538
00:21:48,086 --> 00:21:49,578
That's a big job.
- Yeah.
539
00:21:49,579 --> 00:21:51,914
Joe and Patrick helped me.
540
00:21:51,915 --> 00:21:54,725
And then we left
before we saw any homeless.
541
00:21:54,726 --> 00:21:56,794
And when we got back,
Patrick's house--
542
00:21:58,463 --> 00:22:00,964
The screen on the side door
was ripped open.
543
00:22:00,965 --> 00:22:02,900
There must've been
people up here trying to loot.
544
00:22:02,901 --> 00:22:05,369
- Right. The looters
who broke in
545
00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:07,096
and didn't steal anything.
546
00:22:07,097 --> 00:22:10,065
Those scratches on your arm,
Mrs. Burt,
547
00:22:10,066 --> 00:22:11,642
how'd you get them?
548
00:22:11,643 --> 00:22:14,478
- From my cat.
- Must be a big cat.
549
00:22:14,479 --> 00:22:17,180
Where is he now?
I love cats.
550
00:22:19,117 --> 00:22:21,543
- He ran off during the fire.
Excuse me.
551
00:22:21,544 --> 00:22:24,655
There's a lot to do
in the house.
552
00:22:24,656 --> 00:22:26,490
- The homeless woman
had a fractured pinky.
553
00:22:26,491 --> 00:22:28,325
There was a splint.
554
00:22:28,326 --> 00:22:30,628
See? Pinky is taped
to the ring finger.
555
00:22:30,629 --> 00:22:32,262
- So if she scratched,
she would've left three marks,
556
00:22:32,263 --> 00:22:33,597
not four.
- Mm-hmm.
557
00:22:33,598 --> 00:22:36,266
- The homeless man,
Freddy roga,
558
00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:38,102
he had a cut
to his anterior skull.
559
00:22:38,103 --> 00:22:40,504
- Yes.
It penetrated the bone.
560
00:22:40,505 --> 00:22:44,675
- Maybe a blade tool
used to clear brush?
561
00:22:44,676 --> 00:22:46,510
- I use all kinds of tools
to clear brush.
562
00:22:46,511 --> 00:22:48,178
I even used to keep goats.
563
00:22:48,179 --> 00:22:49,513
- Yeah, but machetes
and sling blades
564
00:22:49,514 --> 00:22:51,348
won't leave crap
all over your lawn.
565
00:22:51,349 --> 00:22:52,641
- I haven't used those
for years.
566
00:22:52,642 --> 00:22:53,809
Had a blade
skip off a tree trunk.
567
00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:55,252
Almost took my leg off. See?
568
00:22:55,253 --> 00:22:58,021
- Doesn't answer what tool
you were using Tuesday.
569
00:22:58,022 --> 00:23:00,524
- Okay, you know,
this is really not fair.
570
00:23:00,525 --> 00:23:01,917
I mean, I used to give
a couple of bucks
571
00:23:01,918 --> 00:23:04,461
to the homeless, you know,
especially the vets.
572
00:23:04,462 --> 00:23:08,865
- This brush axe
in the photo...
573
00:23:08,866 --> 00:23:11,669
Where is it?
574
00:23:11,670 --> 00:23:13,829
- Uh, I got rid of it.
575
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:16,632
Months ago.
576
00:23:16,633 --> 00:23:17,975
- We've got
one victim killed
577
00:23:17,976 --> 00:23:19,510
with a cutting wound
to the head,
578
00:23:19,511 --> 00:23:21,003
and one neighbor
with a missing axe.
579
00:23:21,004 --> 00:23:22,805
There's another neighbor
with scratches consistent
580
00:23:22,806 --> 00:23:24,715
with the second victim,
who was killed
581
00:23:24,716 --> 00:23:26,383
by a blow
to the back of the head.
582
00:23:26,384 --> 00:23:27,810
Then there's David holloway,
583
00:23:27,811 --> 00:23:30,278
shot inside
Patrick denton's garage.
584
00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:32,181
- Three suspects.
585
00:23:32,182 --> 00:23:36,685
No weapons, no blood,
no forensics worth a damn.
586
00:23:36,686 --> 00:23:38,520
We need to offer
denton a deal.
587
00:23:38,521 --> 00:23:40,564
- Denton shot David holloway
in the head.
588
00:23:40,565 --> 00:23:42,166
How does that rate a deal?
589
00:23:42,167 --> 00:23:44,234
- Denton can argue he found
an intruder in his home,
590
00:23:44,235 --> 00:23:46,528
felt threatened,
and shot him in self-defense.
591
00:23:46,529 --> 00:23:48,405
- Holloway was in the garage.
592
00:23:48,406 --> 00:23:51,241
- Yeah.
Welcome to California.
593
00:23:51,242 --> 00:23:53,744
Home includes the garage.
594
00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:55,412
- Holloway
was a law student.
595
00:23:55,413 --> 00:23:56,872
He was a volunteer
in a soup kitchen.
596
00:23:56,873 --> 00:23:59,174
He's hardly a threat.
- Yeah, says you.
597
00:23:59,175 --> 00:24:02,211
As denton's lawyer will
no doubt point out to a jury
598
00:24:02,212 --> 00:24:05,647
that holloway was also
a kid with a d.U.I.
599
00:24:05,648 --> 00:24:07,315
- I don't care about
denton's lawyer right now.
600
00:24:07,316 --> 00:24:08,684
You're proposing
giving a pass
601
00:24:08,685 --> 00:24:11,662
to someone who killed
some college kid in cold blood.
602
00:24:11,663 --> 00:24:13,488
- No, I'm proposing
giving a deal to someone
603
00:24:13,489 --> 00:24:14,732
who has a defense
604
00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:17,067
that a California jury
would likely agree with.
605
00:24:17,068 --> 00:24:19,169
- Or you would agree with.
606
00:24:19,170 --> 00:24:22,998
- Don't come inside of my house
without an invitation.
607
00:24:22,999 --> 00:24:26,501
Call denton's lawyer.
608
00:24:26,502 --> 00:24:30,005
- This isn't right.
Joe and Diana stuck up for me.
609
00:24:30,006 --> 00:24:33,041
- Well, that may not last.
610
00:24:33,042 --> 00:24:36,511
They know that we're
investigating them for murder.
611
00:24:36,512 --> 00:24:37,846
The moment we charge them,
612
00:24:37,847 --> 00:24:39,790
their lawyers are gonna be
fishing for a deal.
613
00:24:39,791 --> 00:24:42,484
- My client has a legitimate
case of self-defense.
614
00:24:42,485 --> 00:24:45,153
He was threatened
in his own home by an intruder.
615
00:24:45,154 --> 00:24:46,797
- Well, he still has to worry
about the arson charge.
616
00:24:46,798 --> 00:24:48,966
He and his accomplices
set a fire
617
00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:50,267
to cover up the killings.
618
00:24:50,268 --> 00:24:51,760
- And although a jury
may be sympathetic
619
00:24:51,761 --> 00:24:53,929
to him defending his home,
620
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:55,439
they will not like him
burning down
621
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,765
the Santa Monica mountains.
622
00:24:56,766 --> 00:24:58,942
- All right,
so what's your offer?
623
00:24:58,943 --> 00:25:01,612
- We won't contest his claim
of self-defense,
624
00:25:01,613 --> 00:25:03,580
but he serves two years
for the arson.
625
00:25:03,581 --> 00:25:05,082
If he refuses,
626
00:25:05,083 --> 00:25:07,417
he'll be charged
with aggravated arson
627
00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:09,453
and serve nine years
in prison.
628
00:25:09,454 --> 00:25:11,855
- Tell him what happened.
629
00:25:18,129 --> 00:25:20,021
- You have to understand,
630
00:25:20,022 --> 00:25:23,100
we had been working all day,
trying to protect our houses.
631
00:25:23,101 --> 00:25:26,503
We heard that people
were setting fires--looters.
632
00:25:26,504 --> 00:25:29,806
We were scared.
I was carrying a gun in my belt.
633
00:25:32,143 --> 00:25:35,779
I heard a noise
in the garage...
634
00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:38,273
And I went in...
635
00:25:38,274 --> 00:25:40,450
And there they were,
three of them.
636
00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:42,085
All dirty.
637
00:25:43,921 --> 00:25:47,491
And all I could think
is my wife is in that house.
638
00:25:47,492 --> 00:25:49,660
I told them to get out,
639
00:25:49,661 --> 00:25:54,331
and one of them
made a move toward me...
640
00:25:54,332 --> 00:25:56,333
And I shot him.
641
00:25:56,334 --> 00:25:58,802
The other two took off.
642
00:25:58,803 --> 00:26:01,138
Joe and Diana saw them.
I told them they were looters.
643
00:26:01,139 --> 00:26:02,439
We chased them.
644
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,541
The man turned on Joe.
645
00:26:06,277 --> 00:26:07,778
Joe hit him with an axe.
646
00:26:07,779 --> 00:26:11,281
The woman
was going crazy on Diana.
647
00:26:11,282 --> 00:26:12,649
And then she turned to run,
648
00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:15,319
and Joe said,
"don't let her get away."
649
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,420
Diana hit her with a brick.
650
00:26:19,941 --> 00:26:22,926
Finish it, Mr. denton.
651
00:26:33,905 --> 00:26:35,672
We panicked.
652
00:26:37,642 --> 00:26:39,776
We thought nobody'd
believe it was...
653
00:26:39,777 --> 00:26:41,712
Us defending ourselves.
654
00:26:41,713 --> 00:26:43,881
And then somebody--
655
00:26:43,882 --> 00:26:45,883
and I don't remember who--
656
00:26:45,884 --> 00:26:47,885
said to just start a fire.
657
00:26:47,886 --> 00:26:50,053
We heard about the arson,
the brake fluid,
658
00:26:50,054 --> 00:26:51,655
so that's what we did.
659
00:26:55,259 --> 00:26:56,627
Those people
660
00:26:56,628 --> 00:26:59,763
should've stayed away
from our homes.
661
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:24,421
Kill someone in your garage,
you get a walk.
662
00:27:24,422 --> 00:27:26,581
Kill someone a few feet away,
they throw the book at you.
663
00:27:26,582 --> 00:27:29,876
- Shades of gray.
Even in sunny California.
664
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,860
My client's know that
every trial is a risky proposition.
665
00:27:38,763 --> 00:27:40,798
They'd plead
involuntary manslaughter...
666
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:42,399
two years,
paroled in 12 months.
667
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,068
I might feel
more charitable
668
00:27:44,069 --> 00:27:46,270
if they hadn't tried
to burn down half the county.
669
00:27:46,271 --> 00:27:48,639
That was Patrick's idea.
670
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,042
- I'll agree to a plea
of voluntary manslaughter--
671
00:27:52,043 --> 00:27:54,611
11 years.
672
00:27:54,612 --> 00:27:57,381
- Then off to trial we go.
673
00:27:57,382 --> 00:28:01,551
I do know a thing or two
about juries--
674
00:28:01,552 --> 00:28:05,347
they don't like victims
with records of drugs,
675
00:28:05,348 --> 00:28:09,226
D.U.I., thievery,
violence.
676
00:28:09,227 --> 00:28:12,396
They do like underdogs--
a blue-collar homeowner
677
00:28:12,397 --> 00:28:14,031
taking a stand
against years of provocation
678
00:28:14,032 --> 00:28:16,700
and lawsuits to get them
out of their house.
679
00:28:16,701 --> 00:28:20,295
Joe and Diana are poster kids
for citizens' rights.
680
00:28:20,296 --> 00:28:23,073
We'll see you in court.
681
00:28:23,074 --> 00:28:25,501
- Citizens' rights.
682
00:28:25,502 --> 00:28:27,669
Nice buzz word.
683
00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:29,838
Too bad it's often used
by one citizen
684
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:31,582
to deny the rights
of another.
685
00:28:31,583 --> 00:28:34,418
- The homeowners
in Big Rock Mesa are being sued
686
00:28:34,419 --> 00:28:37,488
by a group called "citizens
for responsible taxation."
687
00:28:37,489 --> 00:28:39,556
They claim protecting
a home in a fire zone
688
00:28:39,557 --> 00:28:41,692
is an unfair burden
on taxpayers.
689
00:28:41,693 --> 00:28:43,827
- It's got nothing to do
with this case.
690
00:28:43,828 --> 00:28:45,821
- Maybe not, but one of
the lawyers behind the lawsuit
691
00:28:45,822 --> 00:28:47,564
has an email address
at pepperdine.
692
00:28:47,565 --> 00:28:51,201
David holloway
was a law student at pepperdine.
693
00:28:53,838 --> 00:28:55,472
- David was a student of mine.
694
00:28:55,473 --> 00:28:56,790
He came to me
with some concerns
695
00:28:56,791 --> 00:28:59,334
about a group of homeowners
in Big Rock Mesa.
696
00:28:59,335 --> 00:29:00,736
- What kind of concerns?
697
00:29:00,737 --> 00:29:02,713
- He felt that they were waging
a campaign of terror
698
00:29:02,714 --> 00:29:05,215
against some homeless
living in the canyon--
699
00:29:05,216 --> 00:29:07,676
turning hoses on them,
blocking paths,
700
00:29:07,677 --> 00:29:09,878
pouring quicklime
on the garbage
701
00:29:09,879 --> 00:29:11,547
to keep them
from scavenging.
702
00:29:11,548 --> 00:29:14,416
- So David asked you
to draft this lawsuit
703
00:29:14,417 --> 00:29:16,126
for what, revenge?
704
00:29:16,127 --> 00:29:17,753
- He just wanted
to push back a little.
705
00:29:17,754 --> 00:29:19,922
And the suit
does have merit.
706
00:29:19,923 --> 00:29:21,432
People shouldn't
be allowed to build
707
00:29:21,433 --> 00:29:23,600
in high-risk fire zones.
708
00:29:23,601 --> 00:29:26,136
It costs the county millions
just to protect a few homes.
709
00:29:26,137 --> 00:29:27,404
- Were the homeowners aware
710
00:29:27,405 --> 00:29:29,364
that David
was behind this lawsuit?
711
00:29:29,365 --> 00:29:30,874
- I don't see how.
712
00:29:30,875 --> 00:29:32,743
He kept his participation
off the record
713
00:29:32,744 --> 00:29:34,578
to protect
his homeless friends.
714
00:29:34,579 --> 00:29:38,515
I'm sorry.
My class is waiting.
715
00:29:39,984 --> 00:29:41,485
- Does it strike you as odd
716
00:29:41,486 --> 00:29:45,122
that denton
never mentioned this lawsuit?
717
00:29:45,123 --> 00:29:46,623
- Well, of course we were
worried about the lawsuit.
718
00:29:46,624 --> 00:29:47,958
It was costing us
thousands of dollars
719
00:29:47,959 --> 00:29:49,259
for a lawyer.
720
00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:51,662
Even if we won,
we could still lose the house.
721
00:29:51,663 --> 00:29:53,755
- Mrs. denton,
when you were here that Tuesday,
722
00:29:53,756 --> 00:29:55,732
did you hear your husband
in the garage?
723
00:29:55,733 --> 00:29:57,726
- Yes. I heard him
tell someone to get out.
724
00:29:57,727 --> 00:29:59,428
- Did you hear
the other person?
725
00:29:59,429 --> 00:30:00,971
- Yes, a man's voice.
726
00:30:00,972 --> 00:30:02,306
- And what did he say?
727
00:30:02,307 --> 00:30:04,475
- He said he was gonna run us
out of the canyon.
728
00:30:04,476 --> 00:30:08,278
- And what did your husband
say to that?
729
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:09,980
- I don't think
I can help you.
730
00:30:09,981 --> 00:30:13,951
- Mrs. denton, I will put you
on the stand under oath
731
00:30:13,952 --> 00:30:15,519
and make you tell the truth.
732
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,221
- Patrick is my husband!
733
00:30:17,222 --> 00:30:19,123
- He knew, didn't he?
734
00:30:19,124 --> 00:30:22,459
He knew that David holloway
was behind that lawsuit!
735
00:30:23,528 --> 00:30:25,529
- Anna. What is going on?
736
00:30:25,530 --> 00:30:29,124
- Mr. denton, you withheld
material information
737
00:30:29,125 --> 00:30:31,235
about what happened
inside of your garage.
738
00:30:31,236 --> 00:30:33,904
I'll be re-filing charges
against you.
739
00:30:33,905 --> 00:30:35,455
Our deal is off.
740
00:30:40,978 --> 00:30:42,613
- Your honor, for the record,
741
00:30:42,614 --> 00:30:44,681
I renew my objection
to the witness
742
00:30:44,682 --> 00:30:46,642
on the grounds
of marital privilege.
743
00:30:46,643 --> 00:30:47,943
- And, again,
for the record,
744
00:30:47,944 --> 00:30:49,920
marital privilege
doesn't apply here.
745
00:30:49,921 --> 00:30:51,421
The witness is being asked
746
00:30:51,422 --> 00:30:52,981
about statements
her husband made
747
00:30:52,982 --> 00:30:54,892
to a third party.
748
00:30:54,893 --> 00:30:56,927
- The objection is overruled.
Continue, Mr. dekker.
749
00:30:56,928 --> 00:30:59,029
- Mrs. denton,
I'll ask you again.
750
00:30:59,030 --> 00:31:01,122
What did you hear
this other person say
751
00:31:01,123 --> 00:31:03,800
to your husband?
752
00:31:05,169 --> 00:31:07,304
Permission to treat
the witness as hostile?
753
00:31:07,305 --> 00:31:09,940
- Go ahead, Mr. dekker.
754
00:31:09,941 --> 00:31:11,074
- Mrs. denton,
isn't it a fact
755
00:31:11,075 --> 00:31:12,376
that you heard
this other person
756
00:31:12,377 --> 00:31:14,536
tell your husband
in the garage
757
00:31:14,537 --> 00:31:17,039
that he was going to run
you and your husband
758
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,017
out of the canyon?
759
00:31:20,018 --> 00:31:22,219
- Answer the question,
Mrs. denton.
760
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:24,588
- Yes, that's what I heard.
761
00:31:24,589 --> 00:31:26,848
- And how did
your husband respond?
762
00:31:26,849 --> 00:31:30,018
- Patrick,
my husband, said,
763
00:31:30,019 --> 00:31:34,097
"it's you.
You're the punk suing us."
764
00:31:34,098 --> 00:31:35,824
- Then what did you hear?
765
00:31:35,825 --> 00:31:38,035
- I heard other people yelling
I don't know what.
766
00:31:38,036 --> 00:31:42,539
And then I heard a shot.
767
00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:44,074
- Then what did you do?
768
00:31:44,075 --> 00:31:45,375
- I ran out to the garage.
769
00:31:45,376 --> 00:31:48,045
I saw someone lying
on the ground.
770
00:31:48,046 --> 00:31:49,880
Patrick told me
to get back inside the house
771
00:31:49,881 --> 00:31:51,381
and lock the door.
772
00:31:51,382 --> 00:31:53,617
- Thank you.
No more questions.
773
00:31:56,420 --> 00:31:59,223
- Mrs. denton,
how long have there been
774
00:31:59,224 --> 00:32:02,059
homeless camping illegally
in your canyon?
775
00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:03,385
- Uh, eight years.
776
00:32:03,386 --> 00:32:04,962
It's gotten worse
the last three years.
777
00:32:04,963 --> 00:32:06,688
- How does that make you feel?
Does that frighten you?
778
00:32:06,689 --> 00:32:08,690
- Objection. Relevance.
779
00:32:08,691 --> 00:32:10,567
The witness
is not a defendant.
780
00:32:10,568 --> 00:32:12,603
- Your honor,
her state of mind
781
00:32:12,604 --> 00:32:14,029
is relevant
to her husband's actions.
782
00:32:14,030 --> 00:32:15,806
- Overruled.
783
00:32:15,807 --> 00:32:16,973
Answer the question.
784
00:32:16,974 --> 00:32:20,143
- Yes, it does frighten me.
785
00:32:20,144 --> 00:32:22,246
About a month before the fire,
I was home alone,
786
00:32:22,247 --> 00:32:25,082
working in the yard,
and I turned around,
787
00:32:25,083 --> 00:32:27,918
and there was a man,
788
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:30,954
drunk, dirty,
just standing there.
789
00:32:30,955 --> 00:32:33,590
He wanted money for beer.
790
00:32:33,591 --> 00:32:35,959
I screamed,
and he ran off.
791
00:32:37,828 --> 00:32:39,630
The day of the fire,
792
00:32:39,631 --> 00:32:41,957
when it was getting dark,
and there were flames
793
00:32:41,958 --> 00:32:44,268
and smoke surrounding us,
794
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:46,603
we were terrified.
795
00:32:46,604 --> 00:32:49,606
You can't imagine.
796
00:32:49,607 --> 00:32:52,109
And I'm sorry
those people got killed.
797
00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:54,444
What my husband did,
798
00:32:54,445 --> 00:32:56,413
he was protecting me.
799
00:32:58,349 --> 00:33:02,118
I love my husband.
I'm proud of him.
800
00:33:04,689 --> 00:33:06,323
- Sure. I saw
the pepperdine t-shirt.
801
00:33:06,324 --> 00:33:07,557
I assumed he stole it.
802
00:33:07,558 --> 00:33:09,226
I just wanted him
and his buddies
803
00:33:09,227 --> 00:33:10,594
out of my garage.
804
00:33:10,595 --> 00:33:12,429
- What did you do?
805
00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:14,264
- I pulled out my gun,
806
00:33:14,265 --> 00:33:16,099
and I told him again
to leave.
807
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,369
And then the younger one,
holloway, he got real angry.
808
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:21,371
He said he was gonna run us
out of the canyon,
809
00:33:21,372 --> 00:33:22,606
and that's when
I made the connection
810
00:33:22,607 --> 00:33:24,808
that he was the one
suing us.
811
00:33:24,809 --> 00:33:26,943
I told him he'd better
get out of the garage.
812
00:33:26,944 --> 00:33:30,280
And then, the stupid kid,
he came at me,
813
00:33:30,281 --> 00:33:32,115
he reached for the gun,
and I shot him.
814
00:33:32,116 --> 00:33:35,977
The other two ran off.
They attacked Joe and Diana,
815
00:33:35,978 --> 00:33:37,779
and Joe and Diana
killed them.
816
00:33:37,780 --> 00:33:40,290
- We've heard testimony
817
00:33:40,291 --> 00:33:43,226
that you and your neighbors
tried to cover up these deaths.
818
00:33:43,227 --> 00:33:45,062
- Well, I admit,
819
00:33:45,063 --> 00:33:47,397
it was stupid.
820
00:33:47,398 --> 00:33:49,199
We were out of our minds.
821
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,735
Even if we were
in the right,
822
00:33:51,736 --> 00:33:55,072
it still felt wrong
to take a life.
823
00:33:55,073 --> 00:33:56,573
We'd already broken the law
824
00:33:56,574 --> 00:33:58,241
going up there
to save our homes.
825
00:33:58,242 --> 00:34:00,143
We were afraid
we were gonna lose everything.
826
00:34:00,144 --> 00:34:02,746
- Your house?
- Yes.
827
00:34:02,747 --> 00:34:06,183
My father bought
that house in 1962.
828
00:34:06,184 --> 00:34:09,753
When they died,
they passed it on to me,
829
00:34:09,754 --> 00:34:11,421
and I finished
paying it off.
830
00:34:11,422 --> 00:34:15,158
We've had close calls
with fires and mudslides.
831
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,228
We've sweated and bled
to keep this place.
832
00:34:18,229 --> 00:34:20,597
We can't afford to live
anywhere else.
833
00:34:20,598 --> 00:34:22,399
And why should we?
834
00:34:25,169 --> 00:34:26,570
I feel sorry
for homeless people.
835
00:34:26,571 --> 00:34:27,729
It's terrible
to lose your home,
836
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:31,241
but Anna and I
and our neighbors
837
00:34:31,242 --> 00:34:32,776
have earned the right
to live where we live
838
00:34:32,777 --> 00:34:35,111
and feel safe in our homes.
839
00:34:41,485 --> 00:34:44,121
- Mr. denton...
840
00:34:44,122 --> 00:34:45,955
Do you know why
841
00:34:45,956 --> 00:34:48,884
David holloway and his friends
were inside your garage?
842
00:34:48,885 --> 00:34:51,386
- No.
- They spent the day
843
00:34:51,387 --> 00:34:53,555
climbing out of that canyon,
844
00:34:53,556 --> 00:34:56,733
trying to escape
the fire and the smoke.
845
00:34:56,734 --> 00:34:58,402
Did you ever stop
to think that maybe
846
00:34:58,403 --> 00:35:00,804
they were just desperate
for some water?
847
00:35:00,805 --> 00:35:02,564
- I told you no.
848
00:35:02,565 --> 00:35:04,741
- You didn't ask them,
did you?
849
00:35:04,742 --> 00:35:06,309
- It wasn't my business.
- No, the truth is...
850
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:08,069
You just didn't care.
851
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:09,746
- It's not that.
They were intruders.
852
00:35:09,747 --> 00:35:12,574
- Intruders. You mean
like the homeless man
853
00:35:12,575 --> 00:35:15,152
that had frightened your wife
a month earlier.
854
00:35:15,153 --> 00:35:16,611
- Yes, that's right.
855
00:35:16,612 --> 00:35:20,424
- Or the ones who emptied out
your garbage cans
856
00:35:20,425 --> 00:35:23,326
and were staggering around,
drunk, along your road.
857
00:35:23,327 --> 00:35:26,062
Sure.
858
00:35:28,632 --> 00:35:30,267
- It must've made you
pretty angry
859
00:35:30,268 --> 00:35:32,302
when you found them
in your garage.
860
00:35:32,303 --> 00:35:34,471
- Angry?
I was frightened.
861
00:35:34,472 --> 00:35:35,705
- Frightened?
862
00:35:35,706 --> 00:35:37,507
Well, why didn't you
back out of the garage?
863
00:35:37,508 --> 00:35:39,943
- What? Back out of
my own garage?
864
00:35:39,944 --> 00:35:41,845
- I mean,
if you felt threatened.
865
00:35:41,846 --> 00:35:44,514
- It wouldn't have mattered.
They came at me.
866
00:35:44,515 --> 00:35:47,851
- You were standing
between them and the doorway.
867
00:35:47,852 --> 00:35:49,744
Maybe they were just
trying to get out.
868
00:35:49,745 --> 00:35:51,246
- No, that's not where
I was standing.
869
00:35:51,247 --> 00:35:54,791
- Mr. denton, we've heard
expert testimony
870
00:35:54,792 --> 00:35:57,752
that when David holloway
was shot,
871
00:35:57,753 --> 00:36:01,389
he fell into the garage
away from the door.
872
00:36:01,390 --> 00:36:02,866
And the gunshot was fired
873
00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:05,426
from someone standing
in the doorway.
874
00:36:05,427 --> 00:36:07,003
- I don't remember.
875
00:36:07,004 --> 00:36:09,372
All I know
is that they came at me.
876
00:36:09,373 --> 00:36:11,833
- No, no. The truth is,
you wanted this confrontation,
877
00:36:11,834 --> 00:36:12,943
didn't you?
878
00:36:12,944 --> 00:36:14,478
- No, that's
the last thing I wanted.
879
00:36:14,479 --> 00:36:15,971
- Oh, the moment
that you found out
880
00:36:15,972 --> 00:36:17,973
that he was the one
behind that lawsuit,
881
00:36:17,974 --> 00:36:19,616
you made up your mind then.
882
00:36:19,617 --> 00:36:21,977
- No, not until he
came at me.
883
00:36:21,978 --> 00:36:25,155
- He came at you because
he knew what you were gonna do.
884
00:36:25,156 --> 00:36:26,690
He knew you were gonna
try and shoot them.
885
00:36:26,691 --> 00:36:28,191
- That's not true.
- The same way
886
00:36:28,192 --> 00:36:30,685
you made up your mind
when you found them.
887
00:36:30,686 --> 00:36:33,864
There was no retreat.
There was no questions.
888
00:36:33,865 --> 00:36:35,456
There was nothing
stopping you
889
00:36:35,457 --> 00:36:39,794
from venting your anger
and indignation at these bums,
890
00:36:39,795 --> 00:36:42,463
these freeloaders who were
trying to move you and your wife
891
00:36:42,464 --> 00:36:44,799
out of your home.
- What was I supposed to do?
892
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,309
Wait until
they were inside my house
893
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:47,410
and raping my wife?
894
00:36:47,411 --> 00:36:49,379
- Mr. denton,
look at your floor plan.
895
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:52,507
You were in the doorway,
shooting into your house
896
00:36:52,508 --> 00:36:56,720
into the direction
where you said your wife was.
897
00:36:56,721 --> 00:37:00,590
Were you really concerned
for her safety?
898
00:37:00,591 --> 00:37:03,693
Or were you too focused
on your anger to even care?
899
00:37:06,981 --> 00:37:08,681
No more questions.
900
00:37:11,735 --> 00:37:15,205
- Forensic science can't show us
beyond a reasonable doubt
901
00:37:15,206 --> 00:37:17,198
what was said and done
that Tuesday afternoon
902
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,709
when Big Rock Mesa
was burning,
903
00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:23,338
when decent, hardworking people
defending their homes
904
00:37:23,339 --> 00:37:26,674
confronted two homeless people
and one of their advocates
905
00:37:26,675 --> 00:37:28,385
trespassing
on their property.
906
00:37:28,386 --> 00:37:31,046
Put yourself
in my clients' shoes.
907
00:37:31,047 --> 00:37:33,156
What would you,
as reasonable people,
908
00:37:33,157 --> 00:37:34,291
have done?
909
00:37:34,292 --> 00:37:36,860
Freddy roga and Jenny Pratt
910
00:37:36,861 --> 00:37:41,522
were part of an occupying army
of 48,000 homeless.
911
00:37:41,523 --> 00:37:44,200
The Big Rock Mesa story
is the story
912
00:37:44,201 --> 00:37:45,660
of every neighborhood
in our city.
913
00:37:45,661 --> 00:37:49,005
So again, what would you,
as reasonable people,
914
00:37:49,006 --> 00:37:50,407
have done?
915
00:37:50,408 --> 00:37:53,935
Your answer to that question
can lead you
916
00:37:53,936 --> 00:37:56,004
to only one verdict,
917
00:37:56,005 --> 00:37:59,015
a verdict which will return
my clients to their homes
918
00:37:59,016 --> 00:38:00,516
and to their families.
919
00:38:07,825 --> 00:38:09,951
- Now, Mr. miklin
920
00:38:09,952 --> 00:38:12,754
keeps talking about
this figure of 48,000 homeless.
921
00:38:12,755 --> 00:38:15,231
He wants to scare you
with this image
922
00:38:15,232 --> 00:38:18,534
of a horde of demented,
substance-abusing maniacs.
923
00:38:19,937 --> 00:38:22,038
But who are these homeless?
924
00:38:23,974 --> 00:38:25,433
In Los Angeles county,
925
00:38:25,434 --> 00:38:29,437
over 17,000 of them
are veterans,
926
00:38:29,438 --> 00:38:31,681
men and women
who have served our country,
927
00:38:31,682 --> 00:38:35,076
many of whom still bear
the physical and mental scars
928
00:38:35,077 --> 00:38:37,745
from that service.
929
00:38:37,746 --> 00:38:41,124
Tens of thousands of them
are children.
930
00:38:41,125 --> 00:38:44,961
Women running
from abusive husbands.
931
00:38:44,962 --> 00:38:49,257
People who, through misfortune
or their own demons,
932
00:38:49,258 --> 00:38:50,934
have found themselves
933
00:38:50,935 --> 00:38:52,769
caught in the tentacles
of circumstance
934
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:55,271
and have lost their homes.
935
00:38:55,272 --> 00:38:59,167
And if the last three years
have taught us anything,
936
00:38:59,168 --> 00:39:04,180
it's that it can happen
to literally any one of us.
937
00:39:04,181 --> 00:39:07,008
Now, Mr. miklin asked you
938
00:39:07,009 --> 00:39:09,953
to put yourself
in his clients' shoes.
939
00:39:09,954 --> 00:39:14,449
Go ahead and do that.
940
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:16,617
Remember the last time
941
00:39:16,618 --> 00:39:19,154
you passed by
your favorite park
942
00:39:19,155 --> 00:39:21,564
and found it overrun
with homeless people
943
00:39:21,565 --> 00:39:26,069
getting high, fighting,
and carrying on?
944
00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:28,571
That made you pretty mad,
didn't it?
945
00:39:28,572 --> 00:39:33,201
How about when you
came out of a restaurant
946
00:39:33,202 --> 00:39:35,370
after a nice meal
with your family
947
00:39:35,371 --> 00:39:37,881
and was hit up
by some homeless person
948
00:39:37,882 --> 00:39:39,541
for some spare change?
949
00:39:39,542 --> 00:39:43,853
Or when you were walking
to the store with your child,
950
00:39:43,854 --> 00:39:45,513
and in the alley
there's a homeless person
951
00:39:45,514 --> 00:39:49,517
relieving himself
without any decency.
952
00:39:49,518 --> 00:39:52,595
Infuriating.
953
00:39:52,596 --> 00:39:55,765
Got you pretty angry,
didn't it?
954
00:39:55,766 --> 00:39:57,400
Even now, thinking back,
955
00:39:57,401 --> 00:40:02,271
you can feel that anger
and helplessness welling up,
956
00:40:02,272 --> 00:40:07,110
just like it was
for Mr. miklin's clients.
957
00:40:07,111 --> 00:40:08,736
Now you're in their shoes.
958
00:40:08,737 --> 00:40:12,907
Now you feel
what they felt that Tuesday.
959
00:40:12,908 --> 00:40:18,187
Anger. Red-hot anger.
960
00:40:23,043 --> 00:40:27,530
But ladies and gentlemen,
before the law,
961
00:40:27,531 --> 00:40:29,933
killing in anger
is not a substitute
962
00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:33,803
for killing in self-defense.
963
00:40:46,583 --> 00:40:49,219
- Madame foreperson,
has the jury reached a verdict?
964
00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:51,045
- We have, your honor.
965
00:40:51,046 --> 00:40:53,156
- Will the defendants
please rise?
966
00:40:59,596 --> 00:41:01,731
As to defendant
Diana Burt,
967
00:41:01,732 --> 00:41:03,424
on the count of murder,
how do you find?
968
00:41:03,425 --> 00:41:06,169
- We find the defendant
not guilty.
969
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:07,670
- As to defendant
Joe laight,
970
00:41:07,671 --> 00:41:10,073
on the count of murder,
how do you find?
971
00:41:10,074 --> 00:41:11,574
- We find the defendant
not guilty.
972
00:41:11,575 --> 00:41:13,910
- As to defendant
Patrick denton,
973
00:41:13,911 --> 00:41:15,845
on the count of murder,
how do you find?
974
00:41:15,846 --> 00:41:18,080
- We find the defendant
not guilty.
975
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,984
- For the defendants,
976
00:41:20,985 --> 00:41:23,286
on the count of arson,
how do you find?
977
00:41:23,287 --> 00:41:25,588
- Your honor, we're unable
to reach a unanimous verdict
978
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:27,356
on the arson count.
We're deadlocked.
979
00:41:27,357 --> 00:41:30,193
- Thank you very much
for your service.
980
00:41:42,172 --> 00:41:43,397
- Retrying them
on the arson'll
981
00:41:43,398 --> 00:41:45,241
just seem
like sour grapes.
982
00:41:45,242 --> 00:41:47,568
- It was a tragedy,
what happened.
983
00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:49,403
But, you know,
it's tough enough out there.
984
00:41:49,404 --> 00:41:52,240
We're entitled to feel safe
in our own homes.
985
00:41:52,241 --> 00:41:54,075
Maybe our politicians
will get the idea
986
00:41:54,076 --> 00:41:55,476
they need to do something
987
00:41:55,477 --> 00:41:56,978
about getting the homeless
off our streets.
988
00:41:58,113 --> 00:41:59,780
I asked 12 people
989
00:41:59,781 --> 00:42:02,391
to put their conscience
before their anger.
990
00:42:10,234 --> 00:42:12,860
I failed.
991
00:42:12,861 --> 00:42:14,637
- We failed.
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