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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,044 --> 00:00:01,845 In the city of Los Angeles, 2 00:00:01,846 --> 00:00:03,247 the people are represented 3 00:00:03,248 --> 00:00:05,883 by two separate yet equally important groups... 4 00:00:05,884 --> 00:00:07,851 The police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:07,852 --> 00:00:11,321 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:11,322 --> 00:00:13,983 These are their stories. 7 00:00:13,984 --> 00:00:15,445 Firefighters are battling 8 00:00:15,446 --> 00:00:16,980 the blaze for a third day. 9 00:00:16,981 --> 00:00:18,515 The fast-moving wildfire began 10 00:00:18,516 --> 00:00:19,983 just after 9:00 A.M. Sunday, 11 00:00:19,984 --> 00:00:21,952 two miles north of Big Rock Mesa. 12 00:00:21,953 --> 00:00:24,387 As Santa ana winds continue to fan the flames, 13 00:00:24,388 --> 00:00:25,597 authorities have ordered the evacuation 14 00:00:25,598 --> 00:00:27,081 of dozens of homes. 15 00:00:27,082 --> 00:00:29,943 - It, uh, looks like we got more people than usual for breakfast. 16 00:00:29,944 --> 00:00:31,753 - It's always like this after a wildfire. 17 00:00:31,754 --> 00:00:33,096 It's not just the homeowners 18 00:00:33,097 --> 00:00:34,731 that get burned out of the hills. 19 00:00:34,732 --> 00:00:36,967 - Hey, Freddy, aren't you gonna eat? 20 00:00:36,968 --> 00:00:38,626 - He's a wreck. 21 00:00:38,627 --> 00:00:41,196 Sick over Jenny. 22 00:00:41,197 --> 00:00:44,240 - She's in the Canyon, at the camp. 23 00:00:44,241 --> 00:00:46,576 She's gonna get caught in the fire. 24 00:00:46,577 --> 00:00:48,537 - Well, didn't they evacuate that area? 25 00:00:48,538 --> 00:00:50,205 - Jenny wouldn't go. 26 00:00:50,206 --> 00:00:52,674 Her cat just had kittens. 27 00:00:52,675 --> 00:00:54,376 I'm gonna rescue her, David. 28 00:00:54,377 --> 00:00:56,678 - No, I don't think that's a such good idea, Freddy. 29 00:00:56,679 --> 00:00:58,680 Why don't we call the fire department? 30 00:00:58,681 --> 00:01:00,181 - They wouldn't let me pass. 31 00:01:00,182 --> 00:01:02,258 The road's barricaded. 32 00:01:02,259 --> 00:01:03,852 Jenny's gonna burn. 33 00:01:03,853 --> 00:01:06,763 - No, I don't want you going up there by yourself. 34 00:01:06,764 --> 00:01:09,098 We'll figure something out. 35 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:20,301 - Hey, hey, hey! 36 00:01:20,302 --> 00:01:21,669 All right, folks, you're gonna have to move back. 37 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:23,112 This is an emergency area. 38 00:01:23,113 --> 00:01:24,614 - We need to protect our houses. 39 00:01:24,615 --> 00:01:26,049 With the wind, the fire's gonna jump over the break. 40 00:01:26,050 --> 00:01:27,742 - We can't let you up there. It's firefighters only. 41 00:01:27,743 --> 00:01:28,843 - We want to save our homes! 42 00:01:28,844 --> 00:01:30,512 - Please! I don't have insurance! 43 00:01:30,513 --> 00:01:31,955 - Look, ma'am, I'm sorry. You're gonna have to move back. 44 00:01:31,956 --> 00:01:35,216 - Come on. - All of you! 45 00:01:35,217 --> 00:01:38,186 - Finally some good news for southland residents. 46 00:01:38,187 --> 00:01:39,963 After five days of battling 47 00:01:39,964 --> 00:01:42,757 one of the most difficult wildfires in recent memory, 48 00:01:42,758 --> 00:01:45,026 firefighters got a hand from mother nature, 49 00:01:45,027 --> 00:01:47,228 with intermittent heavy rain showers 50 00:01:47,229 --> 00:01:49,531 helping them put this blaze under control. 51 00:01:49,532 --> 00:01:52,200 Unfortunately, some homes were lost. 52 00:01:52,201 --> 00:01:54,402 The cause is still undetermined, 53 00:01:54,403 --> 00:01:56,646 but authorities are suspecting arson. 54 00:01:56,647 --> 00:01:58,873 - Dean, over here! 55 00:01:58,874 --> 00:02:00,817 I got three bodies here. 56 00:02:00,818 --> 00:02:02,902 Call it in. 57 00:02:10,578 --> 00:02:12,621 Tell them to send homicide detectives. 58 00:02:12,622 --> 00:02:15,432 This one's got a bullet hole in his head. 59 00:02:15,433 --> 00:02:17,333 - Two males, one female. 60 00:02:17,334 --> 00:02:19,394 They were camping here? 61 00:02:19,395 --> 00:02:21,004 - Some homeless people obviously were, 62 00:02:21,005 --> 00:02:22,564 but I don't know about these three. 63 00:02:22,565 --> 00:02:24,933 The main fire started about two miles north of here. 64 00:02:24,934 --> 00:02:26,801 We suspect arson. 65 00:02:26,802 --> 00:02:29,613 But the second fire, which started two days later, 66 00:02:29,614 --> 00:02:30,972 had a point of origin right in this area. 67 00:02:30,973 --> 00:02:33,141 Now, if you can see this. 68 00:02:33,142 --> 00:02:36,244 This is brake fluid, often used as an accelerant. 69 00:02:36,245 --> 00:02:37,946 We also found traces of brake fluid 70 00:02:37,947 --> 00:02:39,522 at the main fire's point of origin. 71 00:02:39,523 --> 00:02:40,815 - Same arsonist both times. 72 00:02:40,816 --> 00:02:41,916 - That's what we're thinkin'. 73 00:02:41,917 --> 00:02:43,159 You know what they say, 74 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,619 the bigger the fire, the bigger his thrill. 75 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:48,431 - And these three just happened to walk in on him? 76 00:02:48,432 --> 00:02:52,568 - I hope he thinks the thrill is worth a seat on death row. 77 00:02:58,767 --> 00:03:06,683 Adriano_CSI www.addic7ed.com 78 00:03:42,751 --> 00:03:44,751 Smoking and fire weren't the consequences. 79 00:03:46,052 --> 00:03:50,239 Jane Doe, blunt force trauma to the posterior skull. 80 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,742 John Doe senior, penetrating trauma to the anterior skull. 81 00:03:53,743 --> 00:03:55,445 - From some kind of heavy blade. 82 00:03:55,446 --> 00:03:57,180 - My nine-year-old could've guessed that. 83 00:03:57,181 --> 00:03:58,414 Now that you're back to being a cop, 84 00:03:58,415 --> 00:04:00,383 you have to do better than "heavy blade." 85 00:04:00,384 --> 00:04:01,784 - Okay. 86 00:04:01,785 --> 00:04:05,121 - John Doe junior, bullet wound. 87 00:04:05,122 --> 00:04:07,524 Recovered a nine-millimeter slug from his brain. 88 00:04:07,525 --> 00:04:10,460 He also has a serrated-edge cut to the posterior skull. 89 00:04:10,461 --> 00:04:11,719 - No I.D. In their clothes. 90 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,129 You pull any prints from the bodies? 91 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:14,597 - Not possible. 92 00:04:14,598 --> 00:04:17,567 Dental records won't be of much help for the first two. 93 00:04:17,568 --> 00:04:18,968 From the looks of it, it's been years 94 00:04:18,969 --> 00:04:21,437 since they've seen a toothbrush, let alone a dentist. 95 00:04:21,438 --> 00:04:23,097 - Junior looks like he's just come from the orthodontist. 96 00:04:23,098 --> 00:04:27,143 - Not only that, he had a titanium knee replacement 97 00:04:27,144 --> 00:04:28,545 within the last year. 98 00:04:28,546 --> 00:04:31,714 There's a serial number. We should be able to trace it. 99 00:04:31,715 --> 00:04:32,882 - New titanium knee. 100 00:04:32,883 --> 00:04:34,450 Not standard issue for the homeless. 101 00:04:34,451 --> 00:04:36,402 - Maybe his hedge fund went belly up. 102 00:04:37,654 --> 00:04:39,213 - I'm not saying that it never happens, 103 00:04:39,214 --> 00:04:41,524 but arsonists usually work alone. 104 00:04:41,525 --> 00:04:42,717 - Well, say this one didn't. 105 00:04:42,718 --> 00:04:44,385 What does that say about his profile? 106 00:04:44,386 --> 00:04:46,921 - Well, I guess you could eliminate the sexual thrill, 107 00:04:46,922 --> 00:04:49,165 because he's not gonna want an audience for that. 108 00:04:49,166 --> 00:04:51,935 Maybe a revenge arson. 109 00:04:51,936 --> 00:04:53,736 - What can you say about the arson method? 110 00:04:53,737 --> 00:04:55,405 - The first fire on Sunday morning, 111 00:04:55,406 --> 00:04:56,731 the suspect used 112 00:04:56,732 --> 00:05:00,101 a combination match-and-tin-foil starter device 113 00:05:00,102 --> 00:05:02,612 with brake fluid as the accelerant, like this. 114 00:05:02,613 --> 00:05:04,439 The second fire, though, he just used matches. 115 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,249 - Can you show us where the first fire was set? 116 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:09,644 - Yeah, right here, ten miles up this road. 117 00:05:09,645 --> 00:05:11,687 - The nearest outlet off the road is Mulholland, 118 00:05:11,688 --> 00:05:13,189 about a quarter mile from the rock slide inn. 119 00:05:13,190 --> 00:05:16,492 Pretty big with Sunday morning bikers. 120 00:05:16,493 --> 00:05:17,752 What? 121 00:05:17,753 --> 00:05:20,463 I hung up my colors, not my bike. 122 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,301 - We had to close last Sunday right after brunch. 123 00:05:25,302 --> 00:05:26,761 The smoke was choking. 124 00:05:26,762 --> 00:05:29,664 Anybody come in between 9:00 and 10:00, acting a little off? 125 00:05:29,665 --> 00:05:31,407 Maybe two guys? 126 00:05:31,408 --> 00:05:34,444 - Yeah. Just after 9:00, two guys in a blue truck. 127 00:05:34,445 --> 00:05:35,970 One of them had his arm wrapped, 128 00:05:35,971 --> 00:05:37,046 asked where the John was. 129 00:05:37,047 --> 00:05:38,339 - His arm was injured? 130 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:39,841 - Well, I couldn't see, 'cause of the wrap, 131 00:05:39,842 --> 00:05:42,343 but the hair on his hand looked kind of singed. 132 00:05:42,344 --> 00:05:45,179 I should have called the cops, but my ex dumped off my kid. 133 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:46,914 - It's okay. 134 00:05:46,915 --> 00:05:49,892 You notice anything else about the truck, license plates? 135 00:05:49,893 --> 00:05:52,687 - No, but--but the other guy, 136 00:05:52,688 --> 00:05:54,922 when his buddy was in the John, he ordered a beer. 137 00:05:54,923 --> 00:05:57,124 I told him, no food, no beer, so he got a burger. 138 00:05:57,125 --> 00:05:59,601 He was short on cash, so he charged it. 139 00:06:02,572 --> 00:06:03,539 - Last Sunday, you charged a meal Sunday 140 00:06:03,540 --> 00:06:04,540 at the rock slide inn. 141 00:06:04,541 --> 00:06:05,600 What were you doing up there? 142 00:06:05,601 --> 00:06:07,935 - I was, uh, taking a drive. 143 00:06:07,936 --> 00:06:09,412 - All by yourself? 144 00:06:09,413 --> 00:06:10,638 - Yeah. 145 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:12,248 Clearing my head. 146 00:06:12,249 --> 00:06:14,117 - Duane, the waitress said you had a buddy with you. 147 00:06:14,118 --> 00:06:17,253 - Right, uh, that's not my buddy. 148 00:06:17,254 --> 00:06:18,421 That's my brother-in-law. 149 00:06:18,422 --> 00:06:20,089 That doesn't count. 150 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:23,518 - She also said your brother-in-law burned his arm. 151 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:25,687 - I don't know why she'd say that. 152 00:06:25,688 --> 00:06:28,056 - This ointment, 153 00:06:28,057 --> 00:06:29,465 maybe she meant you burned yourself? 154 00:06:29,466 --> 00:06:32,434 - No. I just dve. 155 00:06:34,237 --> 00:06:35,805 Uh, 156 00:06:35,806 --> 00:06:38,441 Blake, uh, burned himself on the engine block, 157 00:06:38,442 --> 00:06:40,535 checking the oil. 158 00:06:40,536 --> 00:06:42,970 Engine was overheated. 159 00:06:42,971 --> 00:06:44,981 - Well, I guess we better talk to Blake. 160 00:06:44,982 --> 00:06:46,082 - Hup. 161 00:06:51,288 --> 00:06:53,289 - Yeah, so I burned myself. 162 00:06:53,290 --> 00:06:54,324 So what? 163 00:06:54,325 --> 00:06:55,591 - So you and Duane 164 00:06:55,592 --> 00:06:56,993 in the vicinity of the fire, 165 00:06:56,994 --> 00:06:59,095 you with a burn on your arm, just a coincidence? 166 00:06:59,096 --> 00:07:00,188 - Hey, they happen. 167 00:07:00,189 --> 00:07:02,156 - You studying to be a firefighter? 168 00:07:02,157 --> 00:07:03,658 - No, it's just an interest. 169 00:07:03,659 --> 00:07:05,935 - Or another coincidence. 170 00:07:05,936 --> 00:07:07,170 - It's tough to make the cut. 171 00:07:07,171 --> 00:07:08,871 Have to keep yourself in shape. 172 00:07:08,872 --> 00:07:11,541 But the exam, hear it's hard to pass. 173 00:07:11,542 --> 00:07:13,209 - Not if you have the aptitude. 174 00:07:13,210 --> 00:07:14,877 - Oh, you took the exam? 175 00:07:14,878 --> 00:07:17,213 - Aced it as a matter of fact. 176 00:07:17,214 --> 00:07:18,848 - But you're not a firefighter. 177 00:07:18,849 --> 00:07:20,516 What happened, they turn you down? 178 00:07:20,517 --> 00:07:23,077 - No. I decided against it. 179 00:07:23,078 --> 00:07:25,621 The money wasn't great, okay? 180 00:07:25,622 --> 00:07:27,523 Can I get back to my workout now? 181 00:07:27,524 --> 00:07:29,341 - Sure. Don't forget to hydrate. 182 00:07:31,928 --> 00:07:33,154 - Blake humphry. 183 00:07:33,155 --> 00:07:35,056 Yeah, I remember him. 184 00:07:35,057 --> 00:07:36,224 Took the exam last July. 185 00:07:36,225 --> 00:07:37,425 - He told us he passed. 186 00:07:37,426 --> 00:07:38,634 - He did. 187 00:07:38,635 --> 00:07:40,327 Even passed the physical with flying colors. 188 00:07:40,328 --> 00:07:42,697 But no way was this guy gonna get into the department. 189 00:07:42,698 --> 00:07:44,365 - Psych profile? - You got it. 190 00:07:44,366 --> 00:07:46,200 Antisocial tendencies, 191 00:07:46,201 --> 00:07:50,071 borderline personality, impulse control issues, 192 00:07:50,072 --> 00:07:51,781 fascination with fire. 193 00:07:51,782 --> 00:07:55,317 All the red flags for pyromania. 194 00:07:55,318 --> 00:07:57,420 - It's not us saying this about Blake. 195 00:07:57,421 --> 00:07:58,780 It's the experts. 196 00:07:58,781 --> 00:08:00,456 And now you're gonna be lumped in with him. 197 00:08:00,457 --> 00:08:02,558 - An antisocial pyromaniac. 198 00:08:02,559 --> 00:08:04,394 - That's not me. 199 00:08:04,395 --> 00:08:07,229 - Only way to prove that is to tell the truth. 200 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,835 - I had nothing to do with the fire. 201 00:08:12,836 --> 00:08:14,137 It was Blake. 202 00:08:14,138 --> 00:08:15,763 I only drove him up there. 203 00:08:15,764 --> 00:08:19,642 He promised me 100 bucks, which he didn't even pay. 204 00:08:19,643 --> 00:08:20,943 - What about the second fire? 205 00:08:20,944 --> 00:08:22,770 - What second fire? 206 00:08:22,771 --> 00:08:26,140 - There was another arson on Tuesday in Big Rock Mesa. 207 00:08:26,141 --> 00:08:28,142 - Must have been Blake. 208 00:08:28,143 --> 00:08:30,286 I--I was working. 209 00:08:30,287 --> 00:08:32,922 He was bragging about showing up the fire department, 210 00:08:32,923 --> 00:08:34,991 proving he was smarter than they were. 211 00:08:34,992 --> 00:08:38,894 I told my sister not to marry him. 212 00:08:41,131 --> 00:08:44,425 - This is the starter from the first fire. 213 00:08:44,426 --> 00:08:47,228 And this is a photo of a similar device 214 00:08:47,229 --> 00:08:50,431 that we found in a manual in your apartment. 215 00:08:50,432 --> 00:08:51,741 You studied that design. 216 00:08:51,742 --> 00:08:54,310 - And then there's Duane's statement. 217 00:08:54,311 --> 00:08:56,378 - Duane is a liar 218 00:08:56,379 --> 00:08:58,014 and an idiot. 219 00:08:58,015 --> 00:08:59,273 - Well, that part's true. 220 00:08:59,274 --> 00:09:01,275 We couldn't figure why a clever guy like you 221 00:09:01,276 --> 00:09:03,820 needed him at all, and then we realized, 222 00:09:03,821 --> 00:09:05,555 it's no fun doing something clever if no one knows. 223 00:09:05,556 --> 00:09:08,624 And that fire on Sunday was clever. 224 00:09:08,625 --> 00:09:11,694 - But what the fire department's really buzzing about 225 00:09:11,695 --> 00:09:13,663 is the second arson, 226 00:09:13,664 --> 00:09:16,365 the one on Tuesday. 227 00:09:16,366 --> 00:09:18,568 Now, that one caused them a lot of grief. 228 00:09:18,569 --> 00:09:20,469 - That one was yours, too, right? 229 00:09:23,373 --> 00:09:27,743 - See, we assumed, because of the complexity of the starter, 230 00:09:27,744 --> 00:09:32,482 that you were the architect of the second arson. 231 00:09:32,483 --> 00:09:34,617 - Yeah. 232 00:09:34,618 --> 00:09:36,878 Yeah, that one was me, too. 233 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:40,122 - Ah. The particular design of the starter, 234 00:09:40,123 --> 00:09:42,525 with the matches in a circular pattern. 235 00:09:42,526 --> 00:09:46,929 So much more sophisticated than the diagram in the manual. 236 00:09:46,930 --> 00:09:49,023 - I made a few improvements. 237 00:09:49,024 --> 00:09:50,566 - Oh, it's very ingenious. 238 00:09:50,567 --> 00:09:54,770 So, uh, how did you start it, 239 00:09:54,771 --> 00:09:57,206 the, uh...The second fire? 240 00:09:58,909 --> 00:10:01,544 - The starter's the same as the first one. 241 00:10:01,545 --> 00:10:03,880 But I used aluminum foil 242 00:10:03,881 --> 00:10:06,707 to hold the matches together. 243 00:10:06,708 --> 00:10:09,785 That really ignites the accelerant. 244 00:10:09,786 --> 00:10:13,556 Fire Department should have been able to figure that one out. 245 00:10:13,557 --> 00:10:14,623 - Excuse us. 246 00:10:22,132 --> 00:10:24,567 - There was no aluminum foil at the second fire. 247 00:10:24,568 --> 00:10:26,660 - He's describing a fire he didn't set. 248 00:10:26,661 --> 00:10:28,262 - There was brake fluid at the second fire, 249 00:10:28,263 --> 00:10:29,572 same as the first. 250 00:10:29,573 --> 00:10:31,640 Maybe our victims walked in on a copycat arsonist. 251 00:10:31,641 --> 00:10:33,667 - Or they were killed for a different reason 252 00:10:33,668 --> 00:10:36,312 and the killers set a copycat fire to cover their tracks. 253 00:10:36,313 --> 00:10:38,281 - So who'd want to kill three homeless people? 254 00:10:38,282 --> 00:10:40,616 - That's way above my pay grade, okay? 255 00:10:40,617 --> 00:10:42,877 But for this, I owe you one. 256 00:10:42,878 --> 00:10:44,904 Thanks. 257 00:10:47,791 --> 00:10:50,117 - One arsonist down, 258 00:10:50,118 --> 00:10:51,560 one murderer to go. 259 00:10:59,222 --> 00:11:01,422 Our son, David... 260 00:11:02,123 --> 00:11:04,934 - Are you sure? - The serial number on the titanium knee 261 00:11:04,935 --> 00:11:06,902 traced back to him at this address. 262 00:11:06,903 --> 00:11:09,004 - He had his knee replaced last summer. 263 00:11:09,005 --> 00:11:11,031 He injured it in high school. 264 00:11:11,032 --> 00:11:12,741 Oh, God! 265 00:11:12,742 --> 00:11:14,910 We're very sorry for your loss. 266 00:11:14,911 --> 00:11:17,146 Where did you find him? 267 00:11:17,147 --> 00:11:19,515 Near Big Rock Mesa after the fire. 268 00:11:19,516 --> 00:11:21,517 He was shot, we think murdered. 269 00:11:21,518 --> 00:11:23,903 - That makes no sense. 270 00:11:23,904 --> 00:11:26,922 - When was the last time you spoke to David? 271 00:11:26,923 --> 00:11:30,526 - Sunday night. 272 00:11:30,527 --> 00:11:32,361 He's a law student at pepperdine. 273 00:11:32,362 --> 00:11:34,930 We didn't even know he was missing. 274 00:11:34,931 --> 00:11:37,533 - He was found in a homeless camp in the canyon. 275 00:11:40,003 --> 00:11:42,505 - He worked with the homeless. 276 00:11:42,506 --> 00:11:46,500 He got a d.U.I. Last year. 277 00:11:46,501 --> 00:11:47,935 And he did his community service 278 00:11:47,936 --> 00:11:50,045 at a soup kitchen in Santa Monica. 279 00:11:50,046 --> 00:11:52,648 He kept at it ever since. 280 00:11:52,649 --> 00:11:53,882 - Said he liked the guys. 281 00:11:53,883 --> 00:11:58,854 Said they each had their own story to tell. 282 00:11:58,855 --> 00:12:01,957 - Sounds like David was a good person. 283 00:12:09,932 --> 00:12:12,493 - Someone shot David? 284 00:12:12,494 --> 00:12:15,571 The world's gone to hell in a hand basket. 285 00:12:15,572 --> 00:12:18,240 He was one of our nicest volunteers. 286 00:12:18,241 --> 00:12:21,101 - When was the last time he worked here? 287 00:12:21,102 --> 00:12:23,003 - Tuesday morning. 288 00:12:23,004 --> 00:12:25,439 - Anybody you haven't seen lately? 289 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,008 - Freddy roga. 290 00:12:28,009 --> 00:12:30,586 Uh, uh... 291 00:12:30,587 --> 00:12:33,122 50-something, about yea tall, 292 00:12:33,123 --> 00:12:37,718 African-American, missing front teeth. 293 00:12:37,719 --> 00:12:40,320 Oh, bad news about Freddy, huh? 294 00:12:40,321 --> 00:12:42,631 - Someone matching that description was with David. 295 00:12:42,632 --> 00:12:44,833 Do you know what they were doing up there during the fire? 296 00:12:44,834 --> 00:12:47,603 - Freddy wanted to go rescue his girlfriend, Jenny. 297 00:12:47,604 --> 00:12:49,329 She stayed behind at the camp. 298 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:52,041 - Jenny wear a silver charm around her neck? 299 00:12:52,042 --> 00:12:54,043 - Oh, dear! 300 00:12:54,044 --> 00:12:58,947 Freddy kept pestering David all morning to go get her. 301 00:12:58,948 --> 00:13:00,782 - The access roads were closed. 302 00:13:00,783 --> 00:13:03,285 You have any idea how they might have gotten up there? 303 00:13:03,286 --> 00:13:06,680 - David drove an old jeep. 304 00:13:06,681 --> 00:13:10,592 God. Some people are too nice for their own good. 305 00:13:13,162 --> 00:13:15,964 - I don't know why anyone would want to live up here. 306 00:13:15,965 --> 00:13:17,224 It's like the apocalypse. 307 00:13:17,225 --> 00:13:18,967 Mudslides, fires. 308 00:13:18,968 --> 00:13:20,561 - It's the California spirit. 309 00:13:20,562 --> 00:13:23,063 You know, going toe to toe with nature. 310 00:13:23,064 --> 00:13:24,331 - Looks like nature's winning. 311 00:13:24,332 --> 00:13:26,433 Give me the flats of Beverly hills any day. 312 00:13:26,434 --> 00:13:28,201 - Coward. 313 00:13:28,202 --> 00:13:30,270 We're all gonna end up under water anyway. 314 00:13:30,271 --> 00:13:33,741 If it's not the big quake, it's the superstorm. 315 00:13:33,742 --> 00:13:35,409 - You're a real optimist, aren't you? 316 00:13:35,410 --> 00:13:36,652 - I still live here. 317 00:13:36,653 --> 00:13:38,712 - Cozy little subdivision. 318 00:13:38,713 --> 00:13:40,889 Looks like the fire missed it. 319 00:13:40,890 --> 00:13:42,190 - Pull up over here. 320 00:13:54,087 --> 00:13:56,630 Landscaping gravel-- colored glass. 321 00:13:56,631 --> 00:14:00,342 Freddy roga had colored glass in the treads of his boots. 322 00:14:00,343 --> 00:14:01,802 Maybe they were here that day, 323 00:14:01,803 --> 00:14:03,537 lost or looking for shelter. 324 00:14:03,538 --> 00:14:06,248 - We can always ask the locals. 325 00:14:09,218 --> 00:14:10,286 - Help you? 326 00:14:10,287 --> 00:14:11,779 - L.A.P.D., Mr...? 327 00:14:11,780 --> 00:14:13,080 - Patrick denton. 328 00:14:13,081 --> 00:14:14,915 - See your property made it through the fire. 329 00:14:14,916 --> 00:14:16,383 - Yeah, we did all right. 330 00:14:16,384 --> 00:14:18,619 Touch and go. 331 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:20,921 - You see anybody up here Tuesday, Mr. laight? 332 00:14:20,922 --> 00:14:22,698 - Nah, we were all gone by then. 333 00:14:22,699 --> 00:14:24,958 Fire department evacuated us on Monday. 334 00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:26,535 We didn't get back up here till yesterday. 335 00:14:26,536 --> 00:14:28,203 Why? What's all this about? 336 00:14:28,204 --> 00:14:30,097 - We think there may have been some transients 337 00:14:30,098 --> 00:14:31,707 up here during the fire. 338 00:14:31,708 --> 00:14:34,042 - Well, we were gone by then. 339 00:14:34,043 --> 00:14:35,210 - You notice any disturbance 340 00:14:35,211 --> 00:14:36,812 to your property when you came back? 341 00:14:36,813 --> 00:14:38,180 I mean, aside from the fire damage? 342 00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:40,349 - Uh, screen on the side door was ripped. 343 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:41,817 I think it was animals. 344 00:14:41,818 --> 00:14:43,243 - There's a campsite for the homeless 345 00:14:43,244 --> 00:14:44,386 about a quarter mile away. 346 00:14:44,387 --> 00:14:46,313 You had any contact with them? 347 00:14:46,314 --> 00:14:47,648 - Some. 348 00:14:47,649 --> 00:14:48,982 They've been up here, fighting over garbage, 349 00:14:48,983 --> 00:14:50,184 making a mess. 350 00:14:50,185 --> 00:14:52,461 - You recognize any of these people? 351 00:14:58,501 --> 00:15:00,002 - Uh, yeah. 352 00:15:00,003 --> 00:15:01,495 I caught her going through my recycling bin 353 00:15:01,496 --> 00:15:03,038 about a month ago. 354 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:04,573 - These run-ins with the homeless, 355 00:15:04,574 --> 00:15:05,808 you ever file a police report? 356 00:15:05,809 --> 00:15:07,876 - Sure. Doesn't do any good. 357 00:15:07,877 --> 00:15:10,604 There's a no-camping ordinance, it's never enforced. 358 00:15:10,605 --> 00:15:12,639 It's always something with these guys, you know? 359 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,149 Fightin', drinkin'. 360 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:15,884 - You ever see any of them with a gun? 361 00:15:15,885 --> 00:15:17,277 - No. 362 00:15:17,278 --> 00:15:19,847 Listen, I... I gotta clean my pool. 363 00:15:19,848 --> 00:15:21,548 - Sure. 364 00:15:21,549 --> 00:15:23,625 If you think of anything, give us a call. 365 00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:28,789 Not fans of their homeless brethren. 366 00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:32,726 - I'm sure the feeling's mutual. 367 00:15:32,727 --> 00:15:34,828 - That couldn't be me. I'm live and let live, you know. 368 00:15:34,829 --> 00:15:36,905 - You don't remember being cited for disturbing the peace? 369 00:15:36,906 --> 00:15:38,365 It's right here in the police report. 370 00:15:38,366 --> 00:15:40,000 The homeowners said you and Freddy were fighting. 371 00:15:40,001 --> 00:15:41,910 - I loved Freddy, rest his soul. 372 00:15:41,911 --> 00:15:43,412 It was those people, 373 00:15:43,413 --> 00:15:45,706 they were always making trouble for us. 374 00:15:45,707 --> 00:15:47,783 - Who, the homeowners? 375 00:15:47,784 --> 00:15:49,042 - Yeah. 376 00:15:49,043 --> 00:15:51,678 Chasing us off with a hose like we were dogs. 377 00:15:51,679 --> 00:15:53,288 They act like they're the kings up there, 378 00:15:53,289 --> 00:15:55,457 but the mountains belong to God. 379 00:15:55,458 --> 00:15:58,126 Hey, sir, can you spare a dollar for a vet? 380 00:15:58,127 --> 00:15:59,561 - Ray? 381 00:15:59,562 --> 00:16:03,323 Tuesday, you go up the canyon with Freddy? 382 00:16:03,324 --> 00:16:05,192 - No. Too scary. 383 00:16:05,193 --> 00:16:06,968 I got out of there Sunday night. 384 00:16:06,969 --> 00:16:09,004 You could see the flames 385 00:16:09,005 --> 00:16:10,972 lighting up the sky from the other side of the hills. 386 00:16:10,973 --> 00:16:13,500 But the people in the houses? 387 00:16:13,501 --> 00:16:15,269 They were having a pool party 388 00:16:15,270 --> 00:16:17,112 while they watched the world burn. 389 00:16:17,113 --> 00:16:19,148 - A pool party, you're sure? - Yeah. 390 00:16:19,149 --> 00:16:20,649 We could hear them, splashing around, 391 00:16:20,650 --> 00:16:23,886 the kids were hootin' and hollerin'. 392 00:16:23,887 --> 00:16:25,904 No common sense. - Here. 393 00:16:29,358 --> 00:16:31,585 - This morning, the pools I saw were drained. 394 00:16:31,586 --> 00:16:33,587 - If the fire department re-routed 395 00:16:33,588 --> 00:16:35,555 the residential water supply to fight the fire, 396 00:16:35,556 --> 00:16:37,266 maybe the homeowners used the pool water 397 00:16:37,267 --> 00:16:38,692 to wet down their roofs. 398 00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:41,461 - But when? They were evacuated Monday. 399 00:16:41,462 --> 00:16:42,938 - The fire marshal confirmed 400 00:16:42,939 --> 00:16:46,032 water to the houses was cut off Monday at noon. 401 00:16:46,033 --> 00:16:48,710 So in theory, if everybody was evacuated Monday, 402 00:16:48,711 --> 00:16:50,846 the houses must have sat empty until Friday 403 00:16:50,847 --> 00:16:52,514 when the evacuation order was lifted. 404 00:16:52,515 --> 00:16:54,349 - Then what do you make of this? 405 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:56,718 The houses at Big Rock Mesa are equipped with smart meters. 406 00:16:56,719 --> 00:16:59,187 D.W.P. Can remote-access the day-by-day use 407 00:16:59,188 --> 00:17:01,022 of electricity in all the houses. 408 00:17:01,023 --> 00:17:03,759 This is the last week at Patrick denton's house. 409 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,928 Sunday, before they were evacuated, 410 00:17:05,929 --> 00:17:07,863 normal electricity consumption. 411 00:17:07,864 --> 00:17:10,532 Monday, when they were evacuated, 412 00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:11,967 consumption drops 90%. 413 00:17:11,968 --> 00:17:13,936 Then it spikes back up on Tuesday. 414 00:17:13,937 --> 00:17:15,504 - When the houses were supposed to be empty. 415 00:17:15,505 --> 00:17:17,906 - Right. Then it goes back down on Wednesday 416 00:17:17,907 --> 00:17:20,309 until Friday when they were allowed back in the houses. 417 00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:21,844 Same story with Joe laight 418 00:17:21,845 --> 00:17:23,178 and the other eight neighbors. 419 00:17:23,179 --> 00:17:26,106 - Somebody was in there Tuesday, burning electricity. 420 00:17:26,107 --> 00:17:27,440 - Using an electric pump 421 00:17:27,441 --> 00:17:29,009 to pump water from their pools onto their roofs. 422 00:17:29,010 --> 00:17:30,644 - They snuck past the police lines 423 00:17:30,645 --> 00:17:32,145 to get back into their houses. 424 00:17:32,146 --> 00:17:33,789 - Ran into our victims, got into a fight. 425 00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:35,682 - First, we gotta prove they were there. 426 00:17:35,683 --> 00:17:39,060 - I know this news camerawoman, 427 00:17:39,061 --> 00:17:40,829 always hanging off of a chopper. 428 00:17:40,830 --> 00:17:42,923 Maybe she got footage of these guys, 429 00:17:42,924 --> 00:17:44,265 standing on their roofs. 430 00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:49,705 - No one got any footage. 431 00:17:49,706 --> 00:17:51,072 It was a no-fly zone. 432 00:17:51,073 --> 00:17:53,266 - You gonna let a little rule scare you away? 433 00:17:53,267 --> 00:17:54,877 You're getting soft, Brittany. 434 00:17:54,878 --> 00:17:57,504 - You can check me for soft spots later, tj. 435 00:17:57,505 --> 00:18:00,816 The fire department choppers kept chasing us away. 436 00:18:00,817 --> 00:18:02,184 I got no residential footage, 437 00:18:02,185 --> 00:18:04,011 nothing in Big Rock Mesa, 438 00:18:04,012 --> 00:18:06,555 nobody on their roof, heroically trying to save their homes. 439 00:18:06,556 --> 00:18:10,859 - Except our homeowners don't know that. 440 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:12,761 - Hi. Thanks for meeting me. 441 00:18:12,762 --> 00:18:13,795 - Yeah. Joe. 442 00:18:13,796 --> 00:18:16,189 - Brittany. - Patrick. 443 00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:18,392 - Like I told you on the phone, 444 00:18:18,393 --> 00:18:19,601 we have footage of you 445 00:18:19,602 --> 00:18:21,361 on the roof of your homes last Tuesday, 446 00:18:21,362 --> 00:18:22,838 with your hoses, fire coming up the hill. 447 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:25,273 Terrific visuals. 448 00:18:25,274 --> 00:18:26,942 But we need you to sign a release form 449 00:18:26,943 --> 00:18:28,168 before we can use it. 450 00:18:28,169 --> 00:18:30,846 So I have the papers right here. 451 00:18:30,847 --> 00:18:33,048 - Thing is, miss rust, 452 00:18:33,049 --> 00:18:35,175 uh, we were hoping we could buy the footage. 453 00:18:35,176 --> 00:18:36,910 - I don't understand. 454 00:18:36,911 --> 00:18:38,854 - We don't want the attention. 455 00:18:38,855 --> 00:18:40,923 - You're heroes. 456 00:18:40,924 --> 00:18:43,692 Don't be modest. 457 00:18:43,693 --> 00:18:46,428 - Look, it was an evacuated area. 458 00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:47,963 We weren't supposed to be there. 459 00:18:47,964 --> 00:18:50,298 - We don't want our faces plastered all over the news, 460 00:18:50,299 --> 00:18:52,334 so if we could just buy the footage... 461 00:18:52,335 --> 00:18:53,769 - Okay. 462 00:18:53,770 --> 00:18:55,136 - Thanks. 463 00:19:03,112 --> 00:19:04,312 - Will that work? 464 00:19:04,313 --> 00:19:07,783 - Ought to be enough for a search warrant. 465 00:19:07,784 --> 00:19:09,585 - This isn't right. We haven't done anything wrong. 466 00:19:09,586 --> 00:19:10,877 - You lied to us, Mr. denton. 467 00:19:10,878 --> 00:19:12,379 You ignored an evacuation order 468 00:19:12,380 --> 00:19:14,556 and knowingly re-entered an emergency zone, 469 00:19:14,557 --> 00:19:16,216 which is a crime. 470 00:19:16,217 --> 00:19:17,426 - Now you're here. 471 00:19:17,427 --> 00:19:19,327 Where were you when we were alone up here-- 472 00:19:19,328 --> 00:19:21,221 - Anna, it's okay. Don't talk to them. 473 00:19:21,222 --> 00:19:23,197 - Detectives, I think we have something here. 474 00:19:25,134 --> 00:19:29,638 This area was washed down with bleach within the last week. 475 00:19:29,639 --> 00:19:31,064 - Hmm. 476 00:19:31,065 --> 00:19:33,075 Maybe to clean up blood after a gunshot wound? 477 00:19:33,076 --> 00:19:35,268 - Well, if David holloway was shot here, 478 00:19:35,269 --> 00:19:37,437 he fell down, 479 00:19:37,438 --> 00:19:38,480 hit his head. 480 00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:40,815 That look like a match to you? 481 00:19:45,771 --> 00:19:49,049 - Mr. denton, we're placing you under arrest for murder. 482 00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:50,917 - Put your hands behind your back. 483 00:19:50,918 --> 00:19:52,227 - My husband is innocent. - Anna! 484 00:19:52,228 --> 00:19:53,586 - Those homeless people got killed by their own-- 485 00:19:53,587 --> 00:19:54,754 - Anna, listen to me. 486 00:19:54,755 --> 00:19:56,623 Call Paul roth, tell him what's happening. 487 00:19:56,624 --> 00:19:57,924 Nobody say anything to the police! 488 00:19:57,925 --> 00:19:59,259 Nobody say anything! 489 00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:00,802 They've already made up their minds! 490 00:20:00,803 --> 00:20:02,395 Don't help them hurt us! - Let's go. 491 00:20:02,396 --> 00:20:03,672 - Call Paul Roth! 492 00:20:08,646 --> 00:20:10,446 $USD 50000 bail? 493 00:20:10,447 --> 00:20:12,581 Who was the judge, Dirty Harry? 494 00:20:12,582 --> 00:20:13,491 - Don't blame him. 495 00:20:13,492 --> 00:20:15,793 At this point, our evidence against denton is paper thin. 496 00:20:15,794 --> 00:20:17,252 He must've been on his hands and knees 497 00:20:17,253 --> 00:20:18,720 with a toothbrush and a bucket of bleach 498 00:20:18,721 --> 00:20:19,897 to clean that floor. 499 00:20:19,898 --> 00:20:21,657 There wasn't a speck of blood left. 500 00:20:21,658 --> 00:20:24,502 Well, what about the cut found on Holloway's head? 501 00:20:24,503 --> 00:20:26,270 Can't the police match that to the saw blade? 502 00:20:26,271 --> 00:20:27,596 - The saw blade was new. 503 00:20:27,597 --> 00:20:29,498 Denton must've replaced it. 504 00:20:29,499 --> 00:20:31,233 - Well, we have one thing going for us. 505 00:20:31,234 --> 00:20:33,168 Denton didn't act alone. 506 00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:36,280 Somebody else helped him carry them to the campsite 507 00:20:36,281 --> 00:20:37,882 and set the fire. 508 00:20:37,883 --> 00:20:39,383 - I vote for the neighbors. 509 00:20:39,384 --> 00:20:43,946 - The one who tried to buy the news footage with denton, 510 00:20:43,947 --> 00:20:45,981 we start with him. 511 00:20:45,982 --> 00:20:47,724 - It's not fair what you're doing to Patrick. 512 00:20:47,725 --> 00:20:49,193 He's a good guy. 513 00:20:49,194 --> 00:20:50,494 - Yeah, so was the boy he shot. 514 00:20:50,495 --> 00:20:51,954 A 22-year-old law student. 515 00:20:51,955 --> 00:20:53,030 - It's a shame what happened, 516 00:20:53,031 --> 00:20:54,498 but we had nothing to do with that. 517 00:20:54,499 --> 00:20:56,267 We snuck up there to save our homes. 518 00:20:56,268 --> 00:20:57,735 We didn't see anybody. 519 00:20:57,736 --> 00:20:59,103 - We know those people were on your property. 520 00:20:59,104 --> 00:21:00,863 - Well, it must have happened after we left. 521 00:21:00,864 --> 00:21:03,240 Patrick's house was broken into. 522 00:21:03,241 --> 00:21:07,211 - Mr. laight, you and Mr. denton lied to the police, 523 00:21:07,212 --> 00:21:10,138 you and Mr. denton both tried to buy evidence. 524 00:21:10,139 --> 00:21:12,307 You better start telling us the truth now, 525 00:21:12,308 --> 00:21:15,986 before somebody else does, trying to save his own skin! 526 00:21:17,805 --> 00:21:19,123 - We came back, 527 00:21:19,124 --> 00:21:21,149 we pumped out our pools, we soaked down the roofs, 528 00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:22,759 we cleared the brush, and then we left, 529 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,819 all of us. 530 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:26,530 - All of you. How many is that? 531 00:21:26,531 --> 00:21:29,892 - I'm gonna tell you, so you can go after them, too? 532 00:21:29,893 --> 00:21:31,768 I don't think so. 533 00:21:34,405 --> 00:21:36,740 - Next one. 534 00:21:36,741 --> 00:21:39,376 - I only wanted to keep my house from burning. 535 00:21:39,377 --> 00:21:42,546 After my divorce, this is all I got. 536 00:21:42,547 --> 00:21:44,915 I couldn't even keep up with the insurance premiums. 537 00:21:44,916 --> 00:21:48,085 - You hosed off the roof with water from your pool. 538 00:21:48,086 --> 00:21:49,578 That's a big job. - Yeah. 539 00:21:49,579 --> 00:21:51,914 Joe and Patrick helped me. 540 00:21:51,915 --> 00:21:54,725 And then we left before we saw any homeless. 541 00:21:54,726 --> 00:21:56,794 And when we got back, Patrick's house-- 542 00:21:58,463 --> 00:22:00,964 The screen on the side door was ripped open. 543 00:22:00,965 --> 00:22:02,900 There must've been people up here trying to loot. 544 00:22:02,901 --> 00:22:05,369 - Right. The looters who broke in 545 00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:07,096 and didn't steal anything. 546 00:22:07,097 --> 00:22:10,065 Those scratches on your arm, Mrs. Burt, 547 00:22:10,066 --> 00:22:11,642 how'd you get them? 548 00:22:11,643 --> 00:22:14,478 - From my cat. - Must be a big cat. 549 00:22:14,479 --> 00:22:17,180 Where is he now? I love cats. 550 00:22:19,117 --> 00:22:21,543 - He ran off during the fire. Excuse me. 551 00:22:21,544 --> 00:22:24,655 There's a lot to do in the house. 552 00:22:24,656 --> 00:22:26,490 - The homeless woman had a fractured pinky. 553 00:22:26,491 --> 00:22:28,325 There was a splint. 554 00:22:28,326 --> 00:22:30,628 See? Pinky is taped to the ring finger. 555 00:22:30,629 --> 00:22:32,262 - So if she scratched, she would've left three marks, 556 00:22:32,263 --> 00:22:33,597 not four. - Mm-hmm. 557 00:22:33,598 --> 00:22:36,266 - The homeless man, Freddy roga, 558 00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:38,102 he had a cut to his anterior skull. 559 00:22:38,103 --> 00:22:40,504 - Yes. It penetrated the bone. 560 00:22:40,505 --> 00:22:44,675 - Maybe a blade tool used to clear brush? 561 00:22:44,676 --> 00:22:46,510 - I use all kinds of tools to clear brush. 562 00:22:46,511 --> 00:22:48,178 I even used to keep goats. 563 00:22:48,179 --> 00:22:49,513 - Yeah, but machetes and sling blades 564 00:22:49,514 --> 00:22:51,348 won't leave crap all over your lawn. 565 00:22:51,349 --> 00:22:52,641 - I haven't used those for years. 566 00:22:52,642 --> 00:22:53,809 Had a blade skip off a tree trunk. 567 00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:55,252 Almost took my leg off. See? 568 00:22:55,253 --> 00:22:58,021 - Doesn't answer what tool you were using Tuesday. 569 00:22:58,022 --> 00:23:00,524 - Okay, you know, this is really not fair. 570 00:23:00,525 --> 00:23:01,917 I mean, I used to give a couple of bucks 571 00:23:01,918 --> 00:23:04,461 to the homeless, you know, especially the vets. 572 00:23:04,462 --> 00:23:08,865 - This brush axe in the photo... 573 00:23:08,866 --> 00:23:11,669 Where is it? 574 00:23:11,670 --> 00:23:13,829 - Uh, I got rid of it. 575 00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:16,632 Months ago. 576 00:23:16,633 --> 00:23:17,975 - We've got one victim killed 577 00:23:17,976 --> 00:23:19,510 with a cutting wound to the head, 578 00:23:19,511 --> 00:23:21,003 and one neighbor with a missing axe. 579 00:23:21,004 --> 00:23:22,805 There's another neighbor with scratches consistent 580 00:23:22,806 --> 00:23:24,715 with the second victim, who was killed 581 00:23:24,716 --> 00:23:26,383 by a blow to the back of the head. 582 00:23:26,384 --> 00:23:27,810 Then there's David holloway, 583 00:23:27,811 --> 00:23:30,278 shot inside Patrick denton's garage. 584 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:32,181 - Three suspects. 585 00:23:32,182 --> 00:23:36,685 No weapons, no blood, no forensics worth a damn. 586 00:23:36,686 --> 00:23:38,520 We need to offer denton a deal. 587 00:23:38,521 --> 00:23:40,564 - Denton shot David holloway in the head. 588 00:23:40,565 --> 00:23:42,166 How does that rate a deal? 589 00:23:42,167 --> 00:23:44,234 - Denton can argue he found an intruder in his home, 590 00:23:44,235 --> 00:23:46,528 felt threatened, and shot him in self-defense. 591 00:23:46,529 --> 00:23:48,405 - Holloway was in the garage. 592 00:23:48,406 --> 00:23:51,241 - Yeah. Welcome to California. 593 00:23:51,242 --> 00:23:53,744 Home includes the garage. 594 00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:55,412 - Holloway was a law student. 595 00:23:55,413 --> 00:23:56,872 He was a volunteer in a soup kitchen. 596 00:23:56,873 --> 00:23:59,174 He's hardly a threat. - Yeah, says you. 597 00:23:59,175 --> 00:24:02,211 As denton's lawyer will no doubt point out to a jury 598 00:24:02,212 --> 00:24:05,647 that holloway was also a kid with a d.U.I. 599 00:24:05,648 --> 00:24:07,315 - I don't care about denton's lawyer right now. 600 00:24:07,316 --> 00:24:08,684 You're proposing giving a pass 601 00:24:08,685 --> 00:24:11,662 to someone who killed some college kid in cold blood. 602 00:24:11,663 --> 00:24:13,488 - No, I'm proposing giving a deal to someone 603 00:24:13,489 --> 00:24:14,732 who has a defense 604 00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:17,067 that a California jury would likely agree with. 605 00:24:17,068 --> 00:24:19,169 - Or you would agree with. 606 00:24:19,170 --> 00:24:22,998 - Don't come inside of my house without an invitation. 607 00:24:22,999 --> 00:24:26,501 Call denton's lawyer. 608 00:24:26,502 --> 00:24:30,005 - This isn't right. Joe and Diana stuck up for me. 609 00:24:30,006 --> 00:24:33,041 - Well, that may not last. 610 00:24:33,042 --> 00:24:36,511 They know that we're investigating them for murder. 611 00:24:36,512 --> 00:24:37,846 The moment we charge them, 612 00:24:37,847 --> 00:24:39,790 their lawyers are gonna be fishing for a deal. 613 00:24:39,791 --> 00:24:42,484 - My client has a legitimate case of self-defense. 614 00:24:42,485 --> 00:24:45,153 He was threatened in his own home by an intruder. 615 00:24:45,154 --> 00:24:46,797 - Well, he still has to worry about the arson charge. 616 00:24:46,798 --> 00:24:48,966 He and his accomplices set a fire 617 00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:50,267 to cover up the killings. 618 00:24:50,268 --> 00:24:51,760 - And although a jury may be sympathetic 619 00:24:51,761 --> 00:24:53,929 to him defending his home, 620 00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:55,439 they will not like him burning down 621 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,765 the Santa Monica mountains. 622 00:24:56,766 --> 00:24:58,942 - All right, so what's your offer? 623 00:24:58,943 --> 00:25:01,612 - We won't contest his claim of self-defense, 624 00:25:01,613 --> 00:25:03,580 but he serves two years for the arson. 625 00:25:03,581 --> 00:25:05,082 If he refuses, 626 00:25:05,083 --> 00:25:07,417 he'll be charged with aggravated arson 627 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:09,453 and serve nine years in prison. 628 00:25:09,454 --> 00:25:11,855 - Tell him what happened. 629 00:25:18,129 --> 00:25:20,021 - You have to understand, 630 00:25:20,022 --> 00:25:23,100 we had been working all day, trying to protect our houses. 631 00:25:23,101 --> 00:25:26,503 We heard that people were setting fires--looters. 632 00:25:26,504 --> 00:25:29,806 We were scared. I was carrying a gun in my belt. 633 00:25:32,143 --> 00:25:35,779 I heard a noise in the garage... 634 00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:38,273 And I went in... 635 00:25:38,274 --> 00:25:40,450 And there they were, three of them. 636 00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:42,085 All dirty. 637 00:25:43,921 --> 00:25:47,491 And all I could think is my wife is in that house. 638 00:25:47,492 --> 00:25:49,660 I told them to get out, 639 00:25:49,661 --> 00:25:54,331 and one of them made a move toward me... 640 00:25:54,332 --> 00:25:56,333 And I shot him. 641 00:25:56,334 --> 00:25:58,802 The other two took off. 642 00:25:58,803 --> 00:26:01,138 Joe and Diana saw them. I told them they were looters. 643 00:26:01,139 --> 00:26:02,439 We chased them. 644 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,541 The man turned on Joe. 645 00:26:06,277 --> 00:26:07,778 Joe hit him with an axe. 646 00:26:07,779 --> 00:26:11,281 The woman was going crazy on Diana. 647 00:26:11,282 --> 00:26:12,649 And then she turned to run, 648 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:15,319 and Joe said, "don't let her get away." 649 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,420 Diana hit her with a brick. 650 00:26:19,941 --> 00:26:22,926 Finish it, Mr. denton. 651 00:26:33,905 --> 00:26:35,672 We panicked. 652 00:26:37,642 --> 00:26:39,776 We thought nobody'd believe it was... 653 00:26:39,777 --> 00:26:41,712 Us defending ourselves. 654 00:26:41,713 --> 00:26:43,881 And then somebody-- 655 00:26:43,882 --> 00:26:45,883 and I don't remember who-- 656 00:26:45,884 --> 00:26:47,885 said to just start a fire. 657 00:26:47,886 --> 00:26:50,053 We heard about the arson, the brake fluid, 658 00:26:50,054 --> 00:26:51,655 so that's what we did. 659 00:26:55,259 --> 00:26:56,627 Those people 660 00:26:56,628 --> 00:26:59,763 should've stayed away from our homes. 661 00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:24,421 Kill someone in your garage, you get a walk. 662 00:27:24,422 --> 00:27:26,581 Kill someone a few feet away, they throw the book at you. 663 00:27:26,582 --> 00:27:29,876 - Shades of gray. Even in sunny California. 664 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,860 My client's know that every trial is a risky proposition. 665 00:27:38,763 --> 00:27:40,798 They'd plead involuntary manslaughter... 666 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:42,399 two years, paroled in 12 months. 667 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,068 I might feel more charitable 668 00:27:44,069 --> 00:27:46,270 if they hadn't tried to burn down half the county. 669 00:27:46,271 --> 00:27:48,639 That was Patrick's idea. 670 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,042 - I'll agree to a plea of voluntary manslaughter-- 671 00:27:52,043 --> 00:27:54,611 11 years. 672 00:27:54,612 --> 00:27:57,381 - Then off to trial we go. 673 00:27:57,382 --> 00:28:01,551 I do know a thing or two about juries-- 674 00:28:01,552 --> 00:28:05,347 they don't like victims with records of drugs, 675 00:28:05,348 --> 00:28:09,226 D.U.I., thievery, violence. 676 00:28:09,227 --> 00:28:12,396 They do like underdogs-- a blue-collar homeowner 677 00:28:12,397 --> 00:28:14,031 taking a stand against years of provocation 678 00:28:14,032 --> 00:28:16,700 and lawsuits to get them out of their house. 679 00:28:16,701 --> 00:28:20,295 Joe and Diana are poster kids for citizens' rights. 680 00:28:20,296 --> 00:28:23,073 We'll see you in court. 681 00:28:23,074 --> 00:28:25,501 - Citizens' rights. 682 00:28:25,502 --> 00:28:27,669 Nice buzz word. 683 00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:29,838 Too bad it's often used by one citizen 684 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:31,582 to deny the rights of another. 685 00:28:31,583 --> 00:28:34,418 - The homeowners in Big Rock Mesa are being sued 686 00:28:34,419 --> 00:28:37,488 by a group called "citizens for responsible taxation." 687 00:28:37,489 --> 00:28:39,556 They claim protecting a home in a fire zone 688 00:28:39,557 --> 00:28:41,692 is an unfair burden on taxpayers. 689 00:28:41,693 --> 00:28:43,827 - It's got nothing to do with this case. 690 00:28:43,828 --> 00:28:45,821 - Maybe not, but one of the lawyers behind the lawsuit 691 00:28:45,822 --> 00:28:47,564 has an email address at pepperdine. 692 00:28:47,565 --> 00:28:51,201 David holloway was a law student at pepperdine. 693 00:28:53,838 --> 00:28:55,472 - David was a student of mine. 694 00:28:55,473 --> 00:28:56,790 He came to me with some concerns 695 00:28:56,791 --> 00:28:59,334 about a group of homeowners in Big Rock Mesa. 696 00:28:59,335 --> 00:29:00,736 - What kind of concerns? 697 00:29:00,737 --> 00:29:02,713 - He felt that they were waging a campaign of terror 698 00:29:02,714 --> 00:29:05,215 against some homeless living in the canyon-- 699 00:29:05,216 --> 00:29:07,676 turning hoses on them, blocking paths, 700 00:29:07,677 --> 00:29:09,878 pouring quicklime on the garbage 701 00:29:09,879 --> 00:29:11,547 to keep them from scavenging. 702 00:29:11,548 --> 00:29:14,416 - So David asked you to draft this lawsuit 703 00:29:14,417 --> 00:29:16,126 for what, revenge? 704 00:29:16,127 --> 00:29:17,753 - He just wanted to push back a little. 705 00:29:17,754 --> 00:29:19,922 And the suit does have merit. 706 00:29:19,923 --> 00:29:21,432 People shouldn't be allowed to build 707 00:29:21,433 --> 00:29:23,600 in high-risk fire zones. 708 00:29:23,601 --> 00:29:26,136 It costs the county millions just to protect a few homes. 709 00:29:26,137 --> 00:29:27,404 - Were the homeowners aware 710 00:29:27,405 --> 00:29:29,364 that David was behind this lawsuit? 711 00:29:29,365 --> 00:29:30,874 - I don't see how. 712 00:29:30,875 --> 00:29:32,743 He kept his participation off the record 713 00:29:32,744 --> 00:29:34,578 to protect his homeless friends. 714 00:29:34,579 --> 00:29:38,515 I'm sorry. My class is waiting. 715 00:29:39,984 --> 00:29:41,485 - Does it strike you as odd 716 00:29:41,486 --> 00:29:45,122 that denton never mentioned this lawsuit? 717 00:29:45,123 --> 00:29:46,623 - Well, of course we were worried about the lawsuit. 718 00:29:46,624 --> 00:29:47,958 It was costing us thousands of dollars 719 00:29:47,959 --> 00:29:49,259 for a lawyer. 720 00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:51,662 Even if we won, we could still lose the house. 721 00:29:51,663 --> 00:29:53,755 - Mrs. denton, when you were here that Tuesday, 722 00:29:53,756 --> 00:29:55,732 did you hear your husband in the garage? 723 00:29:55,733 --> 00:29:57,726 - Yes. I heard him tell someone to get out. 724 00:29:57,727 --> 00:29:59,428 - Did you hear the other person? 725 00:29:59,429 --> 00:30:00,971 - Yes, a man's voice. 726 00:30:00,972 --> 00:30:02,306 - And what did he say? 727 00:30:02,307 --> 00:30:04,475 - He said he was gonna run us out of the canyon. 728 00:30:04,476 --> 00:30:08,278 - And what did your husband say to that? 729 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:09,980 - I don't think I can help you. 730 00:30:09,981 --> 00:30:13,951 - Mrs. denton, I will put you on the stand under oath 731 00:30:13,952 --> 00:30:15,519 and make you tell the truth. 732 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,221 - Patrick is my husband! 733 00:30:17,222 --> 00:30:19,123 - He knew, didn't he? 734 00:30:19,124 --> 00:30:22,459 He knew that David holloway was behind that lawsuit! 735 00:30:23,528 --> 00:30:25,529 - Anna. What is going on? 736 00:30:25,530 --> 00:30:29,124 - Mr. denton, you withheld material information 737 00:30:29,125 --> 00:30:31,235 about what happened inside of your garage. 738 00:30:31,236 --> 00:30:33,904 I'll be re-filing charges against you. 739 00:30:33,905 --> 00:30:35,455 Our deal is off. 740 00:30:40,978 --> 00:30:42,613 - Your honor, for the record, 741 00:30:42,614 --> 00:30:44,681 I renew my objection to the witness 742 00:30:44,682 --> 00:30:46,642 on the grounds of marital privilege. 743 00:30:46,643 --> 00:30:47,943 - And, again, for the record, 744 00:30:47,944 --> 00:30:49,920 marital privilege doesn't apply here. 745 00:30:49,921 --> 00:30:51,421 The witness is being asked 746 00:30:51,422 --> 00:30:52,981 about statements her husband made 747 00:30:52,982 --> 00:30:54,892 to a third party. 748 00:30:54,893 --> 00:30:56,927 - The objection is overruled. Continue, Mr. dekker. 749 00:30:56,928 --> 00:30:59,029 - Mrs. denton, I'll ask you again. 750 00:30:59,030 --> 00:31:01,122 What did you hear this other person say 751 00:31:01,123 --> 00:31:03,800 to your husband? 752 00:31:05,169 --> 00:31:07,304 Permission to treat the witness as hostile? 753 00:31:07,305 --> 00:31:09,940 - Go ahead, Mr. dekker. 754 00:31:09,941 --> 00:31:11,074 - Mrs. denton, isn't it a fact 755 00:31:11,075 --> 00:31:12,376 that you heard this other person 756 00:31:12,377 --> 00:31:14,536 tell your husband in the garage 757 00:31:14,537 --> 00:31:17,039 that he was going to run you and your husband 758 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,017 out of the canyon? 759 00:31:20,018 --> 00:31:22,219 - Answer the question, Mrs. denton. 760 00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:24,588 - Yes, that's what I heard. 761 00:31:24,589 --> 00:31:26,848 - And how did your husband respond? 762 00:31:26,849 --> 00:31:30,018 - Patrick, my husband, said, 763 00:31:30,019 --> 00:31:34,097 "it's you. You're the punk suing us." 764 00:31:34,098 --> 00:31:35,824 - Then what did you hear? 765 00:31:35,825 --> 00:31:38,035 - I heard other people yelling I don't know what. 766 00:31:38,036 --> 00:31:42,539 And then I heard a shot. 767 00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:44,074 - Then what did you do? 768 00:31:44,075 --> 00:31:45,375 - I ran out to the garage. 769 00:31:45,376 --> 00:31:48,045 I saw someone lying on the ground. 770 00:31:48,046 --> 00:31:49,880 Patrick told me to get back inside the house 771 00:31:49,881 --> 00:31:51,381 and lock the door. 772 00:31:51,382 --> 00:31:53,617 - Thank you. No more questions. 773 00:31:56,420 --> 00:31:59,223 - Mrs. denton, how long have there been 774 00:31:59,224 --> 00:32:02,059 homeless camping illegally in your canyon? 775 00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:03,385 - Uh, eight years. 776 00:32:03,386 --> 00:32:04,962 It's gotten worse the last three years. 777 00:32:04,963 --> 00:32:06,688 - How does that make you feel? Does that frighten you? 778 00:32:06,689 --> 00:32:08,690 - Objection. Relevance. 779 00:32:08,691 --> 00:32:10,567 The witness is not a defendant. 780 00:32:10,568 --> 00:32:12,603 - Your honor, her state of mind 781 00:32:12,604 --> 00:32:14,029 is relevant to her husband's actions. 782 00:32:14,030 --> 00:32:15,806 - Overruled. 783 00:32:15,807 --> 00:32:16,973 Answer the question. 784 00:32:16,974 --> 00:32:20,143 - Yes, it does frighten me. 785 00:32:20,144 --> 00:32:22,246 About a month before the fire, I was home alone, 786 00:32:22,247 --> 00:32:25,082 working in the yard, and I turned around, 787 00:32:25,083 --> 00:32:27,918 and there was a man, 788 00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:30,954 drunk, dirty, just standing there. 789 00:32:30,955 --> 00:32:33,590 He wanted money for beer. 790 00:32:33,591 --> 00:32:35,959 I screamed, and he ran off. 791 00:32:37,828 --> 00:32:39,630 The day of the fire, 792 00:32:39,631 --> 00:32:41,957 when it was getting dark, and there were flames 793 00:32:41,958 --> 00:32:44,268 and smoke surrounding us, 794 00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:46,603 we were terrified. 795 00:32:46,604 --> 00:32:49,606 You can't imagine. 796 00:32:49,607 --> 00:32:52,109 And I'm sorry those people got killed. 797 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:54,444 What my husband did, 798 00:32:54,445 --> 00:32:56,413 he was protecting me. 799 00:32:58,349 --> 00:33:02,118 I love my husband. I'm proud of him. 800 00:33:04,689 --> 00:33:06,323 - Sure. I saw the pepperdine t-shirt. 801 00:33:06,324 --> 00:33:07,557 I assumed he stole it. 802 00:33:07,558 --> 00:33:09,226 I just wanted him and his buddies 803 00:33:09,227 --> 00:33:10,594 out of my garage. 804 00:33:10,595 --> 00:33:12,429 - What did you do? 805 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:14,264 - I pulled out my gun, 806 00:33:14,265 --> 00:33:16,099 and I told him again to leave. 807 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,369 And then the younger one, holloway, he got real angry. 808 00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:21,371 He said he was gonna run us out of the canyon, 809 00:33:21,372 --> 00:33:22,606 and that's when I made the connection 810 00:33:22,607 --> 00:33:24,808 that he was the one suing us. 811 00:33:24,809 --> 00:33:26,943 I told him he'd better get out of the garage. 812 00:33:26,944 --> 00:33:30,280 And then, the stupid kid, he came at me, 813 00:33:30,281 --> 00:33:32,115 he reached for the gun, and I shot him. 814 00:33:32,116 --> 00:33:35,977 The other two ran off. They attacked Joe and Diana, 815 00:33:35,978 --> 00:33:37,779 and Joe and Diana killed them. 816 00:33:37,780 --> 00:33:40,290 - We've heard testimony 817 00:33:40,291 --> 00:33:43,226 that you and your neighbors tried to cover up these deaths. 818 00:33:43,227 --> 00:33:45,062 - Well, I admit, 819 00:33:45,063 --> 00:33:47,397 it was stupid. 820 00:33:47,398 --> 00:33:49,199 We were out of our minds. 821 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,735 Even if we were in the right, 822 00:33:51,736 --> 00:33:55,072 it still felt wrong to take a life. 823 00:33:55,073 --> 00:33:56,573 We'd already broken the law 824 00:33:56,574 --> 00:33:58,241 going up there to save our homes. 825 00:33:58,242 --> 00:34:00,143 We were afraid we were gonna lose everything. 826 00:34:00,144 --> 00:34:02,746 - Your house? - Yes. 827 00:34:02,747 --> 00:34:06,183 My father bought that house in 1962. 828 00:34:06,184 --> 00:34:09,753 When they died, they passed it on to me, 829 00:34:09,754 --> 00:34:11,421 and I finished paying it off. 830 00:34:11,422 --> 00:34:15,158 We've had close calls with fires and mudslides. 831 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,228 We've sweated and bled to keep this place. 832 00:34:18,229 --> 00:34:20,597 We can't afford to live anywhere else. 833 00:34:20,598 --> 00:34:22,399 And why should we? 834 00:34:25,169 --> 00:34:26,570 I feel sorry for homeless people. 835 00:34:26,571 --> 00:34:27,729 It's terrible to lose your home, 836 00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:31,241 but Anna and I and our neighbors 837 00:34:31,242 --> 00:34:32,776 have earned the right to live where we live 838 00:34:32,777 --> 00:34:35,111 and feel safe in our homes. 839 00:34:41,485 --> 00:34:44,121 - Mr. denton... 840 00:34:44,122 --> 00:34:45,955 Do you know why 841 00:34:45,956 --> 00:34:48,884 David holloway and his friends were inside your garage? 842 00:34:48,885 --> 00:34:51,386 - No. - They spent the day 843 00:34:51,387 --> 00:34:53,555 climbing out of that canyon, 844 00:34:53,556 --> 00:34:56,733 trying to escape the fire and the smoke. 845 00:34:56,734 --> 00:34:58,402 Did you ever stop to think that maybe 846 00:34:58,403 --> 00:35:00,804 they were just desperate for some water? 847 00:35:00,805 --> 00:35:02,564 - I told you no. 848 00:35:02,565 --> 00:35:04,741 - You didn't ask them, did you? 849 00:35:04,742 --> 00:35:06,309 - It wasn't my business. - No, the truth is... 850 00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:08,069 You just didn't care. 851 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:09,746 - It's not that. They were intruders. 852 00:35:09,747 --> 00:35:12,574 - Intruders. You mean like the homeless man 853 00:35:12,575 --> 00:35:15,152 that had frightened your wife a month earlier. 854 00:35:15,153 --> 00:35:16,611 - Yes, that's right. 855 00:35:16,612 --> 00:35:20,424 - Or the ones who emptied out your garbage cans 856 00:35:20,425 --> 00:35:23,326 and were staggering around, drunk, along your road. 857 00:35:23,327 --> 00:35:26,062 Sure. 858 00:35:28,632 --> 00:35:30,267 - It must've made you pretty angry 859 00:35:30,268 --> 00:35:32,302 when you found them in your garage. 860 00:35:32,303 --> 00:35:34,471 - Angry? I was frightened. 861 00:35:34,472 --> 00:35:35,705 - Frightened? 862 00:35:35,706 --> 00:35:37,507 Well, why didn't you back out of the garage? 863 00:35:37,508 --> 00:35:39,943 - What? Back out of my own garage? 864 00:35:39,944 --> 00:35:41,845 - I mean, if you felt threatened. 865 00:35:41,846 --> 00:35:44,514 - It wouldn't have mattered. They came at me. 866 00:35:44,515 --> 00:35:47,851 - You were standing between them and the doorway. 867 00:35:47,852 --> 00:35:49,744 Maybe they were just trying to get out. 868 00:35:49,745 --> 00:35:51,246 - No, that's not where I was standing. 869 00:35:51,247 --> 00:35:54,791 - Mr. denton, we've heard expert testimony 870 00:35:54,792 --> 00:35:57,752 that when David holloway was shot, 871 00:35:57,753 --> 00:36:01,389 he fell into the garage away from the door. 872 00:36:01,390 --> 00:36:02,866 And the gunshot was fired 873 00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:05,426 from someone standing in the doorway. 874 00:36:05,427 --> 00:36:07,003 - I don't remember. 875 00:36:07,004 --> 00:36:09,372 All I know is that they came at me. 876 00:36:09,373 --> 00:36:11,833 - No, no. The truth is, you wanted this confrontation, 877 00:36:11,834 --> 00:36:12,943 didn't you? 878 00:36:12,944 --> 00:36:14,478 - No, that's the last thing I wanted. 879 00:36:14,479 --> 00:36:15,971 - Oh, the moment that you found out 880 00:36:15,972 --> 00:36:17,973 that he was the one behind that lawsuit, 881 00:36:17,974 --> 00:36:19,616 you made up your mind then. 882 00:36:19,617 --> 00:36:21,977 - No, not until he came at me. 883 00:36:21,978 --> 00:36:25,155 - He came at you because he knew what you were gonna do. 884 00:36:25,156 --> 00:36:26,690 He knew you were gonna try and shoot them. 885 00:36:26,691 --> 00:36:28,191 - That's not true. - The same way 886 00:36:28,192 --> 00:36:30,685 you made up your mind when you found them. 887 00:36:30,686 --> 00:36:33,864 There was no retreat. There was no questions. 888 00:36:33,865 --> 00:36:35,456 There was nothing stopping you 889 00:36:35,457 --> 00:36:39,794 from venting your anger and indignation at these bums, 890 00:36:39,795 --> 00:36:42,463 these freeloaders who were trying to move you and your wife 891 00:36:42,464 --> 00:36:44,799 out of your home. - What was I supposed to do? 892 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,309 Wait until they were inside my house 893 00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:47,410 and raping my wife? 894 00:36:47,411 --> 00:36:49,379 - Mr. denton, look at your floor plan. 895 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:52,507 You were in the doorway, shooting into your house 896 00:36:52,508 --> 00:36:56,720 into the direction where you said your wife was. 897 00:36:56,721 --> 00:37:00,590 Were you really concerned for her safety? 898 00:37:00,591 --> 00:37:03,693 Or were you too focused on your anger to even care? 899 00:37:06,981 --> 00:37:08,681 No more questions. 900 00:37:11,735 --> 00:37:15,205 - Forensic science can't show us beyond a reasonable doubt 901 00:37:15,206 --> 00:37:17,198 what was said and done that Tuesday afternoon 902 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,709 when Big Rock Mesa was burning, 903 00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:23,338 when decent, hardworking people defending their homes 904 00:37:23,339 --> 00:37:26,674 confronted two homeless people and one of their advocates 905 00:37:26,675 --> 00:37:28,385 trespassing on their property. 906 00:37:28,386 --> 00:37:31,046 Put yourself in my clients' shoes. 907 00:37:31,047 --> 00:37:33,156 What would you, as reasonable people, 908 00:37:33,157 --> 00:37:34,291 have done? 909 00:37:34,292 --> 00:37:36,860 Freddy roga and Jenny Pratt 910 00:37:36,861 --> 00:37:41,522 were part of an occupying army of 48,000 homeless. 911 00:37:41,523 --> 00:37:44,200 The Big Rock Mesa story is the story 912 00:37:44,201 --> 00:37:45,660 of every neighborhood in our city. 913 00:37:45,661 --> 00:37:49,005 So again, what would you, as reasonable people, 914 00:37:49,006 --> 00:37:50,407 have done? 915 00:37:50,408 --> 00:37:53,935 Your answer to that question can lead you 916 00:37:53,936 --> 00:37:56,004 to only one verdict, 917 00:37:56,005 --> 00:37:59,015 a verdict which will return my clients to their homes 918 00:37:59,016 --> 00:38:00,516 and to their families. 919 00:38:07,825 --> 00:38:09,951 - Now, Mr. miklin 920 00:38:09,952 --> 00:38:12,754 keeps talking about this figure of 48,000 homeless. 921 00:38:12,755 --> 00:38:15,231 He wants to scare you with this image 922 00:38:15,232 --> 00:38:18,534 of a horde of demented, substance-abusing maniacs. 923 00:38:19,937 --> 00:38:22,038 But who are these homeless? 924 00:38:23,974 --> 00:38:25,433 In Los Angeles county, 925 00:38:25,434 --> 00:38:29,437 over 17,000 of them are veterans, 926 00:38:29,438 --> 00:38:31,681 men and women who have served our country, 927 00:38:31,682 --> 00:38:35,076 many of whom still bear the physical and mental scars 928 00:38:35,077 --> 00:38:37,745 from that service. 929 00:38:37,746 --> 00:38:41,124 Tens of thousands of them are children. 930 00:38:41,125 --> 00:38:44,961 Women running from abusive husbands. 931 00:38:44,962 --> 00:38:49,257 People who, through misfortune or their own demons, 932 00:38:49,258 --> 00:38:50,934 have found themselves 933 00:38:50,935 --> 00:38:52,769 caught in the tentacles of circumstance 934 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:55,271 and have lost their homes. 935 00:38:55,272 --> 00:38:59,167 And if the last three years have taught us anything, 936 00:38:59,168 --> 00:39:04,180 it's that it can happen to literally any one of us. 937 00:39:04,181 --> 00:39:07,008 Now, Mr. miklin asked you 938 00:39:07,009 --> 00:39:09,953 to put yourself in his clients' shoes. 939 00:39:09,954 --> 00:39:14,449 Go ahead and do that. 940 00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:16,617 Remember the last time 941 00:39:16,618 --> 00:39:19,154 you passed by your favorite park 942 00:39:19,155 --> 00:39:21,564 and found it overrun with homeless people 943 00:39:21,565 --> 00:39:26,069 getting high, fighting, and carrying on? 944 00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:28,571 That made you pretty mad, didn't it? 945 00:39:28,572 --> 00:39:33,201 How about when you came out of a restaurant 946 00:39:33,202 --> 00:39:35,370 after a nice meal with your family 947 00:39:35,371 --> 00:39:37,881 and was hit up by some homeless person 948 00:39:37,882 --> 00:39:39,541 for some spare change? 949 00:39:39,542 --> 00:39:43,853 Or when you were walking to the store with your child, 950 00:39:43,854 --> 00:39:45,513 and in the alley there's a homeless person 951 00:39:45,514 --> 00:39:49,517 relieving himself without any decency. 952 00:39:49,518 --> 00:39:52,595 Infuriating. 953 00:39:52,596 --> 00:39:55,765 Got you pretty angry, didn't it? 954 00:39:55,766 --> 00:39:57,400 Even now, thinking back, 955 00:39:57,401 --> 00:40:02,271 you can feel that anger and helplessness welling up, 956 00:40:02,272 --> 00:40:07,110 just like it was for Mr. miklin's clients. 957 00:40:07,111 --> 00:40:08,736 Now you're in their shoes. 958 00:40:08,737 --> 00:40:12,907 Now you feel what they felt that Tuesday. 959 00:40:12,908 --> 00:40:18,187 Anger. Red-hot anger. 960 00:40:23,043 --> 00:40:27,530 But ladies and gentlemen, before the law, 961 00:40:27,531 --> 00:40:29,933 killing in anger is not a substitute 962 00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:33,803 for killing in self-defense. 963 00:40:46,583 --> 00:40:49,219 - Madame foreperson, has the jury reached a verdict? 964 00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:51,045 - We have, your honor. 965 00:40:51,046 --> 00:40:53,156 - Will the defendants please rise? 966 00:40:59,596 --> 00:41:01,731 As to defendant Diana Burt, 967 00:41:01,732 --> 00:41:03,424 on the count of murder, how do you find? 968 00:41:03,425 --> 00:41:06,169 - We find the defendant not guilty. 969 00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:07,670 - As to defendant Joe laight, 970 00:41:07,671 --> 00:41:10,073 on the count of murder, how do you find? 971 00:41:10,074 --> 00:41:11,574 - We find the defendant not guilty. 972 00:41:11,575 --> 00:41:13,910 - As to defendant Patrick denton, 973 00:41:13,911 --> 00:41:15,845 on the count of murder, how do you find? 974 00:41:15,846 --> 00:41:18,080 - We find the defendant not guilty. 975 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,984 - For the defendants, 976 00:41:20,985 --> 00:41:23,286 on the count of arson, how do you find? 977 00:41:23,287 --> 00:41:25,588 - Your honor, we're unable to reach a unanimous verdict 978 00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:27,356 on the arson count. We're deadlocked. 979 00:41:27,357 --> 00:41:30,193 - Thank you very much for your service. 980 00:41:42,172 --> 00:41:43,397 - Retrying them on the arson'll 981 00:41:43,398 --> 00:41:45,241 just seem like sour grapes. 982 00:41:45,242 --> 00:41:47,568 - It was a tragedy, what happened. 983 00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:49,403 But, you know, it's tough enough out there. 984 00:41:49,404 --> 00:41:52,240 We're entitled to feel safe in our own homes. 985 00:41:52,241 --> 00:41:54,075 Maybe our politicians will get the idea 986 00:41:54,076 --> 00:41:55,476 they need to do something 987 00:41:55,477 --> 00:41:56,978 about getting the homeless off our streets. 988 00:41:58,113 --> 00:41:59,780 I asked 12 people 989 00:41:59,781 --> 00:42:02,391 to put their conscience before their anger. 990 00:42:10,234 --> 00:42:12,860 I failed. 991 00:42:12,861 --> 00:42:14,637 - We failed. 73854

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