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NARRATOR:
On the western side
of South America
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is a land of exotic jungles,
vast plains,
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and astounding
archaeological sites.
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GIORGIO A. TSOUKALOS:
All throughout that
region of the world,
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we have some
of the most incredible
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architectural structures
on planet Earth.
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NARRATOR:
But could
new discoveries reveal
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that the true history of Peru
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is far more incredible
than we ever imagined?
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HUGH NEWMAN:
The dating of Caral
has really put into question
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the origins of civilization
and the planet.
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TSOUKALOS:
This excavation
has put the entire region
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into a new light.
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NARRATOR:
Ancient astronaut theorist
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Giorgio Tsoukalos is joined
by author David Childress
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and investigative mythologist
William Henry
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to examine evidence
suggesting that Peru was home
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to an advanced civilization
thousands of years ago...
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DAVID CHILDRESS:
These discoveries
are changing the face
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of South American archaeology.
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NARRATOR:
...and was influenced
by beings from another world.
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The message is consistent
throughout all these discoveries
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that extraterrestrials
were helping to advance us.
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I mean, this is about
as exciting as it gets.
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NARRATOR:
There is a doorway
in the universe.
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Beyond it is
the promise of truth.
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It demands
we question everything
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we have ever been taught.
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The evidence is all around us.
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The future is
right before our eyes.
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We are not alone.
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We have never been alone.
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Peru is actually
one of my favorite
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places to visit on the planet,
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and we've all been to Peru.
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This is what's so
great about that whole region
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because it seems
as if this whole area
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continues to give us
new pieces of information.
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HENRY:
And we're just beginning to
uncover what's actually there.
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It's kind of like
a wild frontier down there.
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I mean, worlds meet
down there, don't they?
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It's really, uh, just
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the most mysterious place,
and it's a very large country
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that goes from
deserts along the coast
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up into the mountains,
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down into the jungles--
it has literally
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-every climate in the world.
-TSOUKALOS: Mm-hmm.
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And it's also a treasure trove
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for the ancient astronaut theory
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-HENRY: Yeah.
-because there are
many megalithic sites
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and especially in the legends
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-and the mythologies
of that place.
-Yep.
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You have stories of giants
and of, uh, gods,
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the children of the sun.
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NARRATOR:
The country of Peru
in western South America
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is known for its many ancient
archaeological wonders
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from the massive
stone walls of Cusco
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to the magnificent terraces
at Ollantaytambo,
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to the majestic mountain
citadel of Machu Picchu.
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These incredible sites
have long been connected
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to a great civilization that
emerged in the 13th century AD
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known as the Inca.
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The Inca pretty much
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not just
dominated the landscape,
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they changed the landscape.
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They had
these major massive cities
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from one end of the Andes
to the other end of the Andes.
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And in between
each of these cities,
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they had this incredible
road network.
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We have to think about the Inca
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as part of this aggressive trend
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of ideas
and of culture and tradition.
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NARRATOR:
In 1526, Spanish conquistadors,
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led by Francisco Pizarro,
arrived in Peru,
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and over the course
of the following four decades,
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conquered the Inca Empire.
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While the Inca only flourished
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for a little
more than two centuries,
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mainstream archaeologists
remain astonished
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by their engineering
and construction achievements.
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But a mounting body
of evidence suggests
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many of Peru's astounding
structures may, in fact,
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have been built by a much
earlier civilization.
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The Incas were
pretty recent, really,
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-to the Spanish.
They're not the oldest,
-HENRY: Right.
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-HENRY: Right.
-CHILDRESS: They had
only existed
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-about 200 years before
the Spanish arrived.
-Right. Yeah.
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And allegedly,
during that period,
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they built all these
giant megaliths around Cusco,
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Sacsayhuamán, even Machu Picchu
and Ollantaytambo,
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and they would have
just completed them
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-Wait...
-like, a hundred years
before the Spanish.
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Wait a second, wait a second.
But here's the deal.
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That is mainstream
archaeology's opinion.
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When you ask the local,
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including the local
archaeologists
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and tour guides, yes,
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they will tell tour groups
that yes, this is all Inca,
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but when you have deep
conversations with them,
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they all agree that
many of those structures
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are pre-Inca.
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And this is where
the opinions diverge.
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-HENRY: Right.
-Who were the pre-Inca?
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NARRATOR:
In April 2019,
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David Childress traveled to Peru
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with author Hugh Newman to meet
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with Jorge Luis Delgado,
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a local expert on
and a descendant of the Inca.
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Jorge believes that many
of Peru's most incredible
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ancient structures do, in fact,
predate the Inca.
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CHILDRESS:
All right. Here we are.
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NARRATOR:
On this day,
Jorge took David and Hugh
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to one of Peru's
most mysterious sites:
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a location outside of Cusco
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known only as the X-Zone.
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Overlooking the sprawling
stone fortress of Sacsayhuamán,
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the X-Zone is an impressive
collection of megalithic ruins,
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rock-cut monuments and a maze
of underground tunnels.
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-HENRY: It's incredible.
-CHILDRESS: What kind
of technology
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does it take to cut these
so perfectly and straight
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and then fit them in
where you can't fit
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a piece of paper
or a razor blade in here.
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HENRY:
It seems like they're softening
the stones somehow,
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and they're kind of shaping it
and then putting it back in.
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Like some magical technology.
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NARRATOR:
Naylamp was the deity
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worshipped by the Sican people
who settled in northern Peru
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around 750 AD,
centuries before the Inca.
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Their oral traditions
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describe Naylamp
as a strange being
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with sharp birdlike features
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who, upon his death,
sprouted wings
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and then ascended into the sky.
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Is it possible that
these traditional beliefs
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are grounded in fact,
as the Sican people claim?
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And, if so,
could Naylamp have been,
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as ancient astronaut
theorists suspect,
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an extraterrestrial being?
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I think that the Incas
found these places.
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They identified them as very
important, and they moved in.
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They say so in one
of the earliest books
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written about that region.
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Diego de Landa
was the one who wrote it.
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It says that
the Incas themselves
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said this was not built by us.
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-We also have the local legends
-HENRY: Yeah.
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that say that there
were celestial visitors.
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They were not gods. They were
visiting extraterrestrials.
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HENRY:
Well, here's where now we get
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fact backing up
the local knowledge,
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lore, understanding in this.
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1994 archaeologist Ruth Shady
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is exploring north of Lima,
and she said,
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-"That hill over there--
that looks artificial to me."
-TSOUKALOS: Mm-hmm.
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So she goes
and gathers some soldiers.
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They do some excavating.
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Lo and behold,
here's this-- what?
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Ten-story-tall pyramid.
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And that became known
as the site of...
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-Caral.
-Right.
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NARRATOR:
First discovered in 1905,
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the site of Caral-Supe, often
referred to as simply Caral,
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was initially thought to be
little more than a scattering
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of insignificant
and possibly modern ruins.
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But while investigating
the site in 1994,
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Peruvian archaeologist
Ruth Shady Solís
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came to the astonishing
revelation that Caral
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was once a vast
and highly sophisticated city.
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When you visit Caral, you find
a huge archaeological complex.
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There is a large sunken
amphitheater to the south.
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There's a major pyramid
to the north
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and then there are
more minor pyramids
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that surround a central area.
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There are also other buildings,
residential buildings,
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so it's a really huge complex.
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But the most
extraordinary discovery
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was still to come.
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While excavating the pyramid's
foundation in 1999,
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Ruth Shady and her team
unearthed the preserved remains
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of ancient mesh bags woven
from a long durable grass
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known as shicra.
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Up until this time,
there had been no way
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to scientifically determine
the age of Caral
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since it is not possible
to perform radiocarbon dating
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on inorganic material
like stone ruins.
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With the discovery
of the grass bags,
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archaeologists now had
the organic material they needed
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to determine just how old
Caral really was.
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And what they found was
nothing less than shocking.
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Carbon dating of the bags
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revealed that Caral predated
the Inca civilization
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by more than 3,000 years.
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SCHOCH:
This site went back at least
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to 2600 BC or earlier.
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So that was putting it
back 4,600 or more years,
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which made it
one of the oldest sites
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as far as civilization
in the Americas.
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NEWMAN:
Caral could be
the mother culture
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of the whole of South America.
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The dating of Caral
has really put into question
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the origins of civilization
on the planet.
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NARRATOR:
The dating of Caral to 2600 BC,
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a revelation made just a little
more than two decades ago,
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completely upended history's
well-established timeline.
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And continuing excavation
has produced evidence
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suggesting the site
is even older.
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These discoveries at Caral
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are changing the face
of South American archaeology
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and we don't even know what
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new discoveries they're going
to be making in the future.
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I mean, you have a choice.
If you're an archaeologist,
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you're either really excited
right now or really nervous
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because the chronology
has been obliterated,
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and now we have to ask
were extraterrestrials
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helping to advance us?
And Caral is hinting
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at that as well. Definitely.
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Incredible.
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Have either of you
been to Caral?
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-No.
-No.
-Well, this is great
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because on our video call
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is our good friend
Brien Foerster
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-and he's just been to Caral,
and I can't wait to hear
-Awesome.
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-what he has to report to us.
-Absolutely.
-Oh, right.
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Hey, Brien. Good to see you.
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-CHILDRESS: Hi, Brien.
-Gentlemen.
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TSOUKALOS:
It's been a long time.
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Always a pleasure to visit
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with my ancient aliens
compatriots.
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-Are you at your house
in Paracas?
-FOERSTER: Yeah.
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I've just come back
from an incredible
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ancient site called Caral
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on the central coast of Peru.
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Caral has only been excavated
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for possibly
the last 20 or 30 years.
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It was a huge trading center
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that connected the coast
of Peru, the highlands of Peru,
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and even the Amazon jungle
4,500 years ago.
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NARRATOR:
Aside from featuring the remains
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of many impressive
ancient structures,
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Caral appears
to have been designed
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very much
like a modern metropolis
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with specific districts
dedicated to various trades,
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along with dwellings for as many
as 3,000 inhabitants.
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BEARDSLEY:
At Caral,
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we've got this incredible
urban planning.
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It has indications
of the use of science.
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Definitely engineering,
definitely mathematics
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when we start looking at
the planning, the structure
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of these particular sites.
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It's a huge complex. They're
discovering more and more of it.
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So as you drive off the highway
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towards Caral,
there are ruins on the left side
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and the right side
going on for miles.
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So it was a very major center.
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Probably the most incredible
thing is the central pyramid.
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It's quite massive,
and the excavations are ongoing.
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NARRATOR:
Standing some 90 feet tall,
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the great pyramid of Caral
occupies an area of five acres
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or nearly four football fields.
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A 30-foot-wide staircase rises
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from a sunken circular plaza
at the base of the pyramid
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passing over
three terraced levels
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until it reaches
the top of a platform
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that features the remains
of a large atrium
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and some kind of structure
designed for continuous burning.
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But just what was its purpose?
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NEWMAN:
It's quite tall,
and it's thought that
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the ceremonial aspect
of the site was carried out
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from the top
of this particular pyramid.
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And the chief priests,
or shaman,
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could actually see over
the whole domain of Caral
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and actually almost see
to the coast on a clear day.
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And so it could have been used
for astronomical observations.
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archaeological evidence
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suggests that,
during the same period,
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approximately 4,600 years ago,
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while ziggurats were being
built in Mesopotamia,
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as well as
the step pyramids in Egypt,
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incredibly similar structures
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were being constructed in Caral.
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Was this by pure coincidence?
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Ancient astronaut theorists
believe the evidence suggests
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they could be
profoundly connected.
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It's almost as if there was
some kind of syzygy going on
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between Egypt
and the Caral civilization
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of northern Peru
at exactly the same time.
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These monuments
quite clearly are meant
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to connect us
with otherworldly environments.
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They were both constructed
around 2600 BC.
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I find that very
intriguing indeed.
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Caral is dated
to about the same time
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that the Saqqara
step pyramid was built.
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Do you see a correspondence
between those two sites?
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It's just curious
that this timeline
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keeps coming up about ancient
places being 4,500 years old.
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Like the pyramids in Egypt
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and other locations
around the world.
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HENRY:
I think that there was
a pre-flood civilization,
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everything collapsed and then
around this period-- 3000 BC--
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then all of a sudden there's
this reset in the ancient world.
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Yeah, that very much
seems to be the case.
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NARRATOR:
In ancient traditions
around the world,
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there are accounts
of a lost civilization
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that existed on Earth that was
destroyed by a great flood...
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...such as the Vedas texts
of India,
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the Babylonian poem
The Epic of Gilgamesh,
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the Bible's Book of Genesis,
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and the Incan myth
of the Unu Pachakuti.
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According to geologist
Dr. Robert Schoch,
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a growing body
of evidence suggests
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that these stories
are based on historical events,
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and that such a cataclysm
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may actually have
occurred around the end
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of the last ice age
12,000 years ago.
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We now know, based on
a lot of geological data,
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that there were incredible
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climatic changes
at the end of the last ice age.
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My work has put it all
together that
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this was based on major solar
outbursts that change conditions
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on the surface
of the Earth dramatically.
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And to make
a very big story very short,
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there were
well-developed cultures,
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sophisticated cultures,
civilization on Earth
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that were devastated
by the events
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at the end of the last ice age.
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NARRATOR:
According to Dr. Schoch,
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this cataclysm thrust
humanity into a dark age
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for thousands of years.
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Until new civilizations
emerged around the globe
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at remarkably similar times.
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SCHOCH:
After thousands of years,
civilizations reemerged
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around the same time period,
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between about 3500 BC
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to 2500 BC or so.
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We have that
in the old world with Egypt,
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with Mesopotamia,
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in Asia
with the Chinese cultures.
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Caral is, I believe, evidence
of this in the Americas
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of the reemergence
of civilization.
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Can you tell us why,
in your opinion,
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it is such an important
ancient site?
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I think the most
important thing was that
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people of Caral
were in some way connected
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to the ancient deity
called Viracocha,
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which we find
in other cultures in Peru
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and other
locations around the world.
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-Wow.
-HENRY: They found
the gourd buried near Caral
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that had the image
of the Staff God on it,
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and they
were able to date it to--
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What? Like, 2300 BC?
Meaning it was created
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-by people who lived at Caral.
-FOERSTER: Yeah. Exactly.
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It makes Caral the oldest
radiocarbon-tested
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ceremonial complex
in the Americas.
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It is quite likely
that the people of Caral
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were in some way
connected to the...
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ancient deity called Viracocha,
which we find in other cultures
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in Peru and other locations
around the world.
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So you're referring to
the so-called Staff God, right?
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The guy with the two staffs.
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Yeah, very much so.
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So the Staff God
that was found at Caral,
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I mean, it's really
the same guy Viracocha,
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on the Gate of the Sun
at Tiahuanco, right?
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Yeah, very similar.
I mean, of course,
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the, uh, depictions
are relatively crude,
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but they seem--
it seems to depict
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the same kind of deity
or ancestor or ancient visitors.
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NARRATOR:
While exploring a burial site
near Caral in 2003,
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archaeologist Alvaro Ruiz
made a remarkable discovery.
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One of the artifacts
that is uncovered and recovered
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in Caral-Supe
is this gourd fragment.
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And on this gourd fragment
is an image of this--
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what has come
to be called a Staff God.
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So it's this little guy,
and he's standing holding
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what appears to be a staff
in each of his hands.
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NARRATOR:
Incredibly, radiocarbon
dating of the gourd fragment
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revealed that it is
roughly 4,300 years old.
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The artifact's extraordinary age
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suggests the deity drawn on it
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was worshipped
by the people of Caral.
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But even more astonishing
to archaeologists
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is the fact that
the so-called Staff God
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bears a striking similarity
to a figure
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worshiped by the Inca
some 3,000 years later.
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The Staff God
was a form of Viracocha.
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And this is
exactly the same figure
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that's seen again and again
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in pre-Columbian art,
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at places like Tiahuanco
on the Gateway of the Sun,
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one of the most
important structures
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that existed in South America.
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There you have
exactly the same figure.
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Viracocha was the primary
deity of the Andes
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going back
many thousands of years.
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He was thought to be the founder
of all the ancient sites
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we see in Peru
and Bolivia today,
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including Tiahuanco, Cusco,
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Sacsayhuamán, Machu Picchu
and many others.
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And he formed them and built
them along this alignment
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called the Path of Viracocha
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which stretches
southeast to northwest
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across the whole country.
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BEARDSLEY:
This must have been,
in our estimation,
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an important symbol because
we see this particular symbol
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being reused and adopted
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in other places
for several thousand years.
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So we see, basically, everything
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that becomes civilization,
that become the Inca,
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we see in Caral-Supe.
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It's kind of strange
that, uh, the motif
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has remained, which would
suggest that that motif
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was incredibly important
to the local populations.
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FOERSTER:
Well, that's
a good point because
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that, again,
shows the connection between
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the same kind
of deity or ancestor
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we see at Tiahuanco or Pumapunku
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or in Cusco itself,
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-which is pretty incredible.
-That's pretty amazing.
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You know, that--
I mean, that there's
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something-- that something
has to be said about that.
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We, of course, have made
the suggestion Viracocha
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may have been some type
of a visitor from another planet
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because also,
the gear that he is wearing,
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for all intents and purposes,
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looks like
a modern-day astronaut.
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-CHILDRESS: Yeah, true.
-TSOUKALOS: Well,
if that were true,
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it would tie in to this whole
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worship of Viracocha
that can be found
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all throughout
Peru and South America.
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-Yeah, that very much seems
to be the case.
-TSOUKALOS: Amazing.
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Brien, thank you very much
for your time. It was wonderful
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to connect with you,
even if it's like this,
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and I cannot wait
to see you again
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face-to-face in person.
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That will be a pleasure. Thanks
to all three of you gentlemen.
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-TSOUKALOS: Thank you.
-CHILDRESS: Thanks, Brien.
-Okay. Thank you.
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And, you know, what a--
See, to me
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the whole idea
that this Staff God only exists
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in South
or Central America... no.
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-No.
-It-- that symbolism
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or that motif exists
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-worldwide.
-CHILDRESS: Worldwide.
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And it's well known
in Egypt and Sumeria,
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-ancient India.
-HENRY: Right.
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CHILDRESS:
It's interesting, too,
how when you look at
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the Viracocha god
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at the-- on the Gate
of the Sun at Tiahuanco,
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on either side of him
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are these birdmen,
birdmen who can fly.
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-TSOUKALOS: Right. And what...
-CHILDRESS: Coming to him.
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TSOUKALOS:
And what better symbolism
to signify flight
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-than showing people with wings?
-HENRY: Right.
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You know, I mean, we have the
same thing in ancient Sumeria.
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-Mm-hmm.
-You know, it is quite possible
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that this was symbolism
to signify people
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coming from the sky.
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NARRATOR: Curiously, examples
of godlike figures
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that are depicted
as half man and half bird,
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much like the figure of Naylamp
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that was worshipped by the
Sican people of Northern Peru,
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can be found throughout
the ancient world
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from the Anunnaki in Mesopotamia
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to the Hindu
god Garuda in India,
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the tengu in Japan,
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the birdmen of Easter Island,
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and the kachinas revered
by numerous tribes
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in North America.
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There is even a 44,000-year-old
cave painting in Indonesia
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that archaeologists
have determined
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to be a humanlike figure
with a bird's head.
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We also have the local legends,
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and they're very clear in saying
that Viracocha came
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-and gave instructions, so...
-HENRY: Right.
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-To-to create civilization.
-TSOUKALOS: Yes.
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-To create these buildings.
All these giant pyramids.
-Right.
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TSOUKALOS:
According to the legends,
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the knowledge
of building these things
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was given by the so-called
gods from the stars.
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This has been
our argument all along.
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That our origin of any of
our ancient civilizations
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dates much further back
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into our distant past
than what we're being told.
483
00:28:19,828 --> 00:28:22,222
And that these civilizations
all over the world
484
00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:25,051
-are more connected,
but archaeologists were saying
-Right.
485
00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:26,792
-they had no contact.
-HENRY: Right.
486
00:28:26,879 --> 00:28:28,881
But now in South America
they're proving
487
00:28:28,924 --> 00:28:30,447
that's completely wrong,
488
00:28:30,534 --> 00:28:32,928
and all of these cultures
in South America
489
00:28:33,015 --> 00:28:36,758
into the highlands, into
the jungle, all along the coast,
490
00:28:36,845 --> 00:28:39,718
they're all connected,
and we have all the geoglyphs
491
00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:42,416
-all over South America.
-Right.
492
00:28:42,503 --> 00:28:45,071
And, of course, Nazca is
so famous for its geoglyphs,
493
00:28:45,158 --> 00:28:47,247
but Caral has the oldest.
494
00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:52,861
NARRATOR:
The Nazca Lines present one
of Peru's greatest mysteries--
495
00:28:52,948 --> 00:28:56,996
hundreds of massive designs
carved into the desert floor,
496
00:28:57,083 --> 00:29:00,695
created on a scale
to only be understood
497
00:29:00,782 --> 00:29:02,958
from high above the Earth.
498
00:29:03,872 --> 00:29:06,788
It is estimated that the
earliest of these lines,
499
00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:10,923
called geoglyphs,
were made around 500 BC.
500
00:29:13,882 --> 00:29:17,668
But in the year 2000,
while excavating Caral,
501
00:29:17,712 --> 00:29:19,670
archaeologists
discovered a geoglyph
502
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:22,151
that they believe
dates to the same period
503
00:29:22,195 --> 00:29:24,893
as the ancient city itself,
504
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:27,461
which would make it, by far,
the oldest geoglyph
505
00:29:27,504 --> 00:29:30,072
ever found in Peru.
506
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:33,336
Its shape is nearly
impossible to discern
507
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,296
from the ground,
but when viewed from the sky,
508
00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,952
the profile of a face
is clearly recognizable.
509
00:29:41,736 --> 00:29:44,913
The geoglyph face
is constructed of stones
510
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,307
laid out to
create the figure itself.
511
00:29:48,395 --> 00:29:51,137
It has its mouth open.
512
00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:53,530
It's looking
towards one direction,
513
00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:56,969
and also it has what looks like
kind of wavy hair,
514
00:29:57,056 --> 00:29:59,188
although this could actually be
515
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,843
blood spurting out of its head.
516
00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:04,715
The Caral geoglyph
is the oldest known
517
00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:07,022
in Peru or Bolivia.
518
00:30:07,109 --> 00:30:11,200
It's at least 2,000 years older
than Nazca, maybe more.
519
00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:15,726
And so it does suggest
this was the forerunner
520
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,991
to all the Nazca geoglyphs,
and this maybe even influenced
521
00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:21,428
the Nazca civilization.
522
00:30:21,515 --> 00:30:23,909
So all of this, again,
523
00:30:23,996 --> 00:30:27,738
seems to suggest a commonality.
524
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:31,960
What I might call a super
complex of civilization,
525
00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:35,746
so not just
one civilization in isolation
526
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,011
but a number
of related civilizations
527
00:30:39,098 --> 00:30:41,709
that cover
a very long period in time
528
00:30:41,796 --> 00:30:45,887
and go back to a very
remote period ultimately.
529
00:30:46,932 --> 00:30:49,717
Yeah, you have to wonder
about the geoglyph at Caral
530
00:30:49,804 --> 00:30:54,200
because the geoglyphs at Nazca
are obviously meant to be seen
531
00:30:54,287 --> 00:30:56,680
-from the air by the gods.
-Right. Right.
532
00:30:56,767 --> 00:31:00,293
So you would think the geoglyph
at Caral has the same meaning.
533
00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:02,121
And I've seen, too,
where Viracocha
534
00:31:02,164 --> 00:31:04,340
supposedly told the Nazca people
to make those lines.
535
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:06,255
That's one of the legends.
536
00:31:06,342 --> 00:31:10,259
I also think maybe
this is a type of calling card,
537
00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:12,479
and there are other
geoglyphs around the world
538
00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:15,874
that correspond with each other
because you have these lines,
539
00:31:15,961 --> 00:31:18,746
these figures, these,
you know, things wanting
540
00:31:18,833 --> 00:31:22,750
to communicate
with the celestial realm,
541
00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:25,971
and you have
to wonder why because
542
00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:29,061
-coincidence no longer
holds water.
-Right.
543
00:31:31,802 --> 00:31:35,241
NARRATOR:
When the Nazca Lines
were first discovered in 1927,
544
00:31:35,328 --> 00:31:38,766
they were considered
a unique phenomenon.
545
00:31:39,854 --> 00:31:43,249
But in recent years, with the
benefit of satellite imagery,
546
00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:45,468
thousands of ancient geoglyphs
547
00:31:45,512 --> 00:31:48,254
are being found
not just in South America
548
00:31:48,341 --> 00:31:50,082
but all over the world.
549
00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:53,563
In Asia, the Middle East,
550
00:31:53,607 --> 00:31:57,524
Africa, North America,
551
00:31:57,611 --> 00:32:00,135
and even Europe.
552
00:32:00,179 --> 00:32:04,661
The fact of the matter is that
we have geoglyphs worldwide.
553
00:32:04,748 --> 00:32:08,361
And so you have to wonder why.
554
00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:11,233
The idea in the ancient
astronaut theory
555
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,974
is fairly simple
556
00:32:13,018 --> 00:32:15,977
and that is that our ancestors,
557
00:32:16,021 --> 00:32:19,328
regardless of ancient cultures,
558
00:32:19,415 --> 00:32:22,810
they were visited
by the same teachers.
559
00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:27,597
There's another famous
glyph, uh, farther south
560
00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:31,384
from Nazca in northern Chile
called the Atacama Giant.
561
00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:35,475
-TSOUKALOS: Right.
-CHILDRESS: And it's actually
the largest of all the geoglyphs
562
00:32:35,562 --> 00:32:37,781
in South America,
and he too seems
563
00:32:37,868 --> 00:32:41,220
to be holding a staff,
and has an animal with him.
564
00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:44,745
-Yeah. He's like this, kind of.
-Yeah, like that.
565
00:32:44,832 --> 00:32:47,530
-HENRY: Yeah.
-CHILDRESS: Uh-huh.
-TSOUKALOS: Right.
566
00:32:47,617 --> 00:32:57,366
CHILDRESS:
Perhaps he's also a...
a depiction of Viracocha.
567
00:32:57,453 --> 00:32:59,978
To me, the most important
thing about all of this is that
568
00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:02,632
the structures
at Caral correspond
569
00:33:02,719 --> 00:33:06,549
-with the constellation
of the Pleiades.
-HENRY: That's right.
570
00:33:06,593 --> 00:33:07,768
-And so whenever I see stuff
like that, it's like, you know,
-Okay. That's interesting. Yeah.
571
00:33:07,855 --> 00:33:10,205
all right, obviously,
572
00:33:10,292 --> 00:33:11,902
our ancestors were able
to observe the stars.
573
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:15,036
Nobody's ever questioned that
or debated that.
574
00:33:15,123 --> 00:33:19,301
The power of observation
was huge and important,
575
00:33:19,388 --> 00:33:22,391
-but why pick the Pleiades?
-HENRY: That's right.
576
00:33:22,478 --> 00:33:25,264
They call it "heaven's mirror,"
is a term; using the expression
577
00:33:25,351 --> 00:33:27,570
"As above, so below,"
they're trying to create
578
00:33:27,657 --> 00:33:29,833
a physical connection
to these places.
579
00:33:31,444 --> 00:33:33,402
NARRATOR:
The excavation of Caral
580
00:33:33,489 --> 00:33:37,537
over the past two and a half
decades has produced
581
00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:39,756
a number of
archaeological marvels.
582
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,455
But for ancient
astronaut theorists,
583
00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,065
one of the most significant,
584
00:33:44,152 --> 00:33:46,981
in terms of possibly
explaining its origins,
585
00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:50,593
is its curious
and seemingly deliberate design.
586
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,380
COLLINS: What has been noticed
about the layout
587
00:33:54,467 --> 00:33:58,427
of the different structures
and buildings at Caral,
588
00:33:58,514 --> 00:34:03,258
is that they seem to reflect
the astronomical positions
589
00:34:03,345 --> 00:34:07,262
of the star cluster
known as the Pleiades.
590
00:34:07,349 --> 00:34:11,179
And this seems to be
almost beyond coincidence.
591
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:15,401
NEWMAN:
It's almost like a star mirror.
592
00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:19,013
We have the Pleiades in the sky,
and it mirrors on Earth.
593
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,319
It looks just like Caral.
594
00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:25,150
The main pyramid would be
the central star Alcyone,
595
00:34:25,193 --> 00:34:27,761
and all the other
structures in the complex
596
00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:30,242
match all the other stars
in the Pleiades.
597
00:34:30,329 --> 00:34:33,593
So there's-there's a real kind
of theory that's come forward
598
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,553
that they were trying to map
the stars onto the Earth.
599
00:34:39,686 --> 00:34:42,036
NARRATOR:
For ancient astronaut theorists,
600
00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:45,300
the layout of Caral is made
even more significant
601
00:34:45,387 --> 00:34:48,216
due to the fact
that the Pleiades
602
00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:50,740
was also of central importance
to the Inca,
603
00:34:50,827 --> 00:34:55,615
who would emerge in Peru
more than 3,000 years later.
604
00:34:56,746 --> 00:35:00,010
FOERSTER:
The Inca had a very strong
connection with the Pleiades.
605
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:03,797
At their ceremonial center
called the Coricancha in Cusco,
606
00:35:03,884 --> 00:35:06,408
the rising
of the Pleiades corresponded
607
00:35:06,495 --> 00:35:09,803
with the planting of crops
in September of each year.
608
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:13,502
NEWMAN:
There's even
a real Inca tradition
609
00:35:13,546 --> 00:35:16,679
of the ancestors
coming from the Pleiades.
610
00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:19,682
So we have to question: did they
actually come from Pleiades?
611
00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:23,425
But it does suggest, especially
along with the Viracocha figure
612
00:35:23,512 --> 00:35:25,253
that was found there,
613
00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:27,560
that much of the Inca tradition,
614
00:35:27,647 --> 00:35:30,258
the technology
and sophistication
615
00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:33,653
may have come from the
Caral-Supe civilization.
616
00:35:34,784 --> 00:35:39,833
NARRATOR:
Could Caral really have been
designed to mirror the Pleiades?
617
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,184
Curiously, it is only
the latest in a long line
618
00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:45,491
of ancient sites
that have been found
619
00:35:45,578 --> 00:35:47,232
to mirror the star cluster,
620
00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:50,713
such as the Winterbourne Stoke
barrow in England,
621
00:35:50,757 --> 00:35:54,891
the Nuragic structures
on the island of Sardinia,
622
00:35:54,978 --> 00:35:57,372
and Chaco Canyon in New Mexico
623
00:35:57,459 --> 00:35:59,505
to name just a few.
624
00:36:01,115 --> 00:36:04,684
HENRY:
The seven pyramids
of Tikal are an example.
625
00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:08,122
The pyramids of Abusir
in Egypt is another example.
626
00:36:08,992 --> 00:36:11,647
The tomb complex
of the Hongwu emperor,
627
00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:13,867
the founder of the Ming Dynasty,
628
00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:16,435
it mirrors
the pattern of the Pleiades.
629
00:36:16,522 --> 00:36:19,394
It's almost as if these ancient
cultures are signaling to us
630
00:36:19,481 --> 00:36:22,441
or leaving a trail
for us to follow that says,
631
00:36:22,528 --> 00:36:24,704
"This is where
our gods came from."
632
00:36:24,791 --> 00:36:27,881
Or, "This is where
humans came from, or the place
633
00:36:27,968 --> 00:36:32,277
that we're in fact trying to
ultimately travel or return to."
634
00:36:32,364 --> 00:36:34,801
The Hawaiians say
their royal ancestors
635
00:36:34,888 --> 00:36:36,498
came from the Pleiades.
636
00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:39,588
The Cherokee in east Tennessee
say the same thing.
637
00:36:39,675 --> 00:36:42,025
So divergent cultures are
saying exactly the same thing,
638
00:36:42,112 --> 00:36:44,071
and there's always the message,
639
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:47,422
"We were visited by beings
who came from this star system."
640
00:36:47,466 --> 00:36:49,337
You have to wonder why.
641
00:36:49,424 --> 00:36:51,600
In this case,
the Pleiades, to me
642
00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:55,822
suggests that someone wanted to
leave behind a message showing
643
00:36:55,909 --> 00:36:57,911
-where they came from.
-Exactly.
644
00:36:57,998 --> 00:37:00,000
TSOUKALOS:
I think this
is fascinating because
645
00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:01,741
it's basically a calling card.
646
00:37:01,828 --> 00:37:03,569
We're gonna go all
around the planet.
647
00:37:03,656 --> 00:37:04,874
We're gonna build
similar structures.
648
00:37:04,961 --> 00:37:06,963
You're gonna
see our calling card,
649
00:37:07,007 --> 00:37:08,748
and it always wants you
to remember the Pleiades.
650
00:37:08,835 --> 00:37:10,315
I completely agree with you,
651
00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:13,318
and, you know, the fact--
Look, if there was only
652
00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:16,059
-Caral worldwide
that had this thing,
-Right.
653
00:37:16,146 --> 00:37:19,149
then fine, there's no argument.
654
00:37:19,193 --> 00:37:21,804
But the fact that there
are dozens of examples
655
00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:23,763
like that in ancient times,
656
00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:25,504
that is the point.
657
00:37:32,641 --> 00:37:36,123
You know, this whole excavation
of Caral has put
658
00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,081
the entire region
into a new light,
659
00:37:38,168 --> 00:37:39,996
and if you think about it,
660
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,347
this excavation
has only just begun,
661
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,305
so who knows what
we'll discover in the future
662
00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:45,828
and what other keys we'll find.
663
00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:49,092
CHILDRESS:
So are there amazing discoveries
664
00:37:49,179 --> 00:37:52,095
still to be found in South
America? There may well be.
665
00:37:52,139 --> 00:37:55,360
I absolutely think so because
666
00:37:55,403 --> 00:38:00,016
there are vast swathes
of areas in South America
667
00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:02,497
where, you know, who knows
668
00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:05,457
what we'll find in the future
because there's nobody there.
669
00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:09,722
NARRATOR: In 2019,
archaeologists uncovered
670
00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:13,029
an ancient settlement
in the country of Bolivia,
671
00:38:13,073 --> 00:38:15,684
just south of Peru,
that dates back
672
00:38:15,728 --> 00:38:18,992
an astonishing 10,600 years.
673
00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:21,908
While excavation
has not revealed
674
00:38:21,995 --> 00:38:24,345
a sophisticated city like Caral,
675
00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:26,826
experts believe
that it is just one
676
00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:29,002
of many ancient sites still left
677
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:31,570
to be uncovered
in South America.
678
00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:35,138
And that it may only be
a matter of time
679
00:38:35,225 --> 00:38:38,838
before we are forced
to rewrite history once again.
680
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,573
One has to wonder if one day
681
00:39:18,617 --> 00:39:21,097
archaeology will agree with us.
682
00:39:21,184 --> 00:39:25,363
And I think that this is the
direction we're actually going
683
00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:28,017
because they've always said,
"Oh, you know,
684
00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:31,412
everything is established,
we kind of know everything."
685
00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:35,634
And the truth of the matter
is that they don't, and Caral
686
00:39:35,677 --> 00:39:39,246
-has proven this because when
you look at these pyramids
-HENRY: Exactly.
687
00:39:39,289 --> 00:39:42,118
in different regions
of the world,
688
00:39:42,205 --> 00:39:44,338
they correspond with each other.
689
00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:47,472
But the depiction of
this Staff God, one could argue,
690
00:39:47,515 --> 00:39:50,213
"Oh, you know, this is just
a deity holding a staff,"
691
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:53,042
or whatever,
but the fact that worldwide--
692
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:56,132
not just in Tiwanaku,
not just in Caral--
693
00:39:56,176 --> 00:40:00,398
we have this motif of this being
holding two staffs.
694
00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:02,922
-Right. Right.
-That is important.
695
00:40:03,009 --> 00:40:04,793
The message is consistent
696
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,927
that extraterrestrials were not
only intervening but they were
697
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:10,233
-helping to advance us.
-Well, gentlemen,
698
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,801
this has been
a fascinating conversation,
699
00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:15,108
and you know, this is
what's so great about Peru
700
00:40:15,151 --> 00:40:16,718
and that whole region because
701
00:40:16,805 --> 00:40:19,982
it continues to give us
new pieces of information.
702
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:23,725
Look, there can be so much more
to discover, and, no doubt,
703
00:40:23,812 --> 00:40:25,771
it will shock us
704
00:40:25,858 --> 00:40:28,164
even more than
what we found at-at Caral.
705
00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:32,691
We're gonna find something
irrefutable very soon, I think.
706
00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:34,519
-It's gonna change everything.
-TSOUKALOS: Right.
707
00:40:34,562 --> 00:40:37,217
And I really think that,
you know, the more
708
00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:39,785
archaeological evidence we find
709
00:40:39,828 --> 00:40:42,614
that is connected to the stars
710
00:40:42,657 --> 00:40:44,877
with a combination of stories
711
00:40:44,964 --> 00:40:47,488
of gods that once were here,
712
00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:51,361
it'll only be a matter
of time where even
713
00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:55,191
the most dismissive
archaeologists will have to say,
714
00:40:55,278 --> 00:41:00,545
"Man. Maybe these guys sitting
at this table were right."
715
00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:01,807
Exactly.
716
00:41:01,850 --> 00:41:03,461
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