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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,264 --> 00:00:05,222 NARRATOR: On the western side of South America 2 00:00:05,266 --> 00:00:08,530 is a land of exotic jungles, vast plains, 3 00:00:08,617 --> 00:00:11,620 and astounding archaeological sites. 4 00:00:11,707 --> 00:00:13,970 GIORGIO A. TSOUKALOS: All throughout that region of the world, 5 00:00:14,057 --> 00:00:15,885 we have some of the most incredible 6 00:00:15,972 --> 00:00:19,541 architectural structures on planet Earth. 7 00:00:19,628 --> 00:00:22,326 NARRATOR: But could new discoveries reveal 8 00:00:22,413 --> 00:00:24,372 that the true history of Peru 9 00:00:24,459 --> 00:00:27,897 is far more incredible than we ever imagined? 10 00:00:27,984 --> 00:00:30,987 HUGH NEWMAN: The dating of Caral has really put into question 11 00:00:31,074 --> 00:00:33,642 the origins of civilization and the planet. 12 00:00:33,729 --> 00:00:36,210 TSOUKALOS: This excavation has put the entire region 13 00:00:36,297 --> 00:00:37,776 into a new light. 14 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:40,083 NARRATOR: Ancient astronaut theorist 15 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:44,305 Giorgio Tsoukalos is joined by author David Childress 16 00:00:44,392 --> 00:00:46,655 and investigative mythologist William Henry 17 00:00:46,742 --> 00:00:50,920 to examine evidence suggesting that Peru was home 18 00:00:51,007 --> 00:00:54,271 to an advanced civilization thousands of years ago... 19 00:00:55,664 --> 00:00:57,840 DAVID CHILDRESS: These discoveries are changing the face 20 00:00:57,927 --> 00:01:00,060 of South American archaeology. 21 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:03,063 NARRATOR: ...and was influenced by beings from another world. 22 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,718 The message is consistent throughout all these discoveries 23 00:01:06,805 --> 00:01:09,982 that extraterrestrials were helping to advance us. 24 00:01:10,026 --> 00:01:12,768 I mean, this is about as exciting as it gets. 25 00:01:15,858 --> 00:01:18,904 NARRATOR: There is a doorway in the universe. 26 00:01:20,602 --> 00:01:23,735 Beyond it is the promise of truth. 27 00:01:24,606 --> 00:01:27,391 It demands we question everything 28 00:01:27,478 --> 00:01:29,872 we have ever been taught. 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,353 The evidence is all around us. 30 00:01:33,267 --> 00:01:37,227 The future is right before our eyes. 31 00:01:37,314 --> 00:01:39,838 We are not alone. 32 00:01:39,925 --> 00:01:43,103 We have never been alone. 33 00:01:49,892 --> 00:01:51,763 Peru is actually one of my favorite 34 00:01:51,850 --> 00:01:53,548 places to visit on the planet, 35 00:01:53,635 --> 00:01:55,637 and we've all been to Peru. 36 00:01:55,724 --> 00:01:57,682 This is what's so great about that whole region 37 00:01:57,726 --> 00:02:00,511 because it seems as if this whole area 38 00:02:00,598 --> 00:02:03,819 continues to give us new pieces of information. 39 00:02:03,906 --> 00:02:06,343 HENRY: And we're just beginning to uncover what's actually there. 40 00:02:06,430 --> 00:02:08,389 It's kind of like a wild frontier down there. 41 00:02:08,476 --> 00:02:11,000 I mean, worlds meet down there, don't they? 42 00:02:11,087 --> 00:02:13,176 It's really, uh, just 43 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:16,179 the most mysterious place, and it's a very large country 44 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:19,356 that goes from deserts along the coast 45 00:02:19,443 --> 00:02:21,576 up into the mountains, 46 00:02:21,663 --> 00:02:24,187 down into the jungles-- it has literally 47 00:02:24,274 --> 00:02:27,016 -every climate in the world. -TSOUKALOS: Mm-hmm. 48 00:02:27,103 --> 00:02:29,627 And it's also a treasure trove 49 00:02:29,714 --> 00:02:31,803 for the ancient astronaut theory 50 00:02:31,890 --> 00:02:34,502 -HENRY: Yeah. -because there are many megalithic sites 51 00:02:34,545 --> 00:02:37,940 and especially in the legends 52 00:02:38,027 --> 00:02:40,508 -and the mythologies of that place. -Yep. 53 00:02:40,595 --> 00:02:44,555 You have stories of giants and of, uh, gods, 54 00:02:44,642 --> 00:02:46,035 the children of the sun. 55 00:02:49,081 --> 00:02:52,128 NARRATOR: The country of Peru in western South America 56 00:02:52,215 --> 00:02:56,045 is known for its many ancient archaeological wonders 57 00:02:56,132 --> 00:02:58,700 from the massive stone walls of Cusco 58 00:02:58,787 --> 00:03:02,704 to the magnificent terraces at Ollantaytambo, 59 00:03:02,791 --> 00:03:06,664 to the majestic mountain citadel of Machu Picchu. 60 00:03:07,578 --> 00:03:10,842 These incredible sites have long been connected 61 00:03:10,929 --> 00:03:15,543 to a great civilization that emerged in the 13th century AD 62 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:18,850 known as the Inca. 63 00:03:18,937 --> 00:03:21,549 The Inca pretty much 64 00:03:21,636 --> 00:03:24,204 not just dominated the landscape, 65 00:03:24,291 --> 00:03:26,293 they changed the landscape. 66 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:32,647 They had these major massive cities 67 00:03:32,734 --> 00:03:36,564 from one end of the Andes to the other end of the Andes. 68 00:03:36,651 --> 00:03:39,480 And in between each of these cities, 69 00:03:39,567 --> 00:03:42,222 they had this incredible road network. 70 00:03:44,615 --> 00:03:46,356 We have to think about the Inca 71 00:03:46,443 --> 00:03:49,620 as part of this aggressive trend 72 00:03:49,707 --> 00:03:53,233 of ideas and of culture and tradition. 73 00:03:54,843 --> 00:03:58,629 NARRATOR: In 1526, Spanish conquistadors, 74 00:03:58,716 --> 00:04:02,546 led by Francisco Pizarro, arrived in Peru, 75 00:04:02,633 --> 00:04:05,288 and over the course of the following four decades, 76 00:04:05,375 --> 00:04:07,290 conquered the Inca Empire. 77 00:04:07,377 --> 00:04:09,988 While the Inca only flourished 78 00:04:10,075 --> 00:04:12,034 for a little more than two centuries, 79 00:04:12,121 --> 00:04:15,907 mainstream archaeologists remain astonished 80 00:04:15,994 --> 00:04:19,215 by their engineering and construction achievements. 81 00:04:22,174 --> 00:04:24,786 But a mounting body of evidence suggests 82 00:04:24,873 --> 00:04:28,137 many of Peru's astounding structures may, in fact, 83 00:04:28,224 --> 00:04:32,663 have been built by a much earlier civilization. 84 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:35,449 The Incas were pretty recent, really, 85 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:37,581 -to the Spanish. They're not the oldest, -HENRY: Right. 86 00:04:37,668 --> 00:04:39,366 -HENRY: Right. -CHILDRESS: They had only existed 87 00:04:39,453 --> 00:04:42,412 -about 200 years before the Spanish arrived. -Right. Yeah. 88 00:04:42,499 --> 00:04:45,110 And allegedly, during that period, 89 00:04:45,197 --> 00:04:49,158 they built all these giant megaliths around Cusco, 90 00:04:49,245 --> 00:04:51,900 Sacsayhuamán, even Machu Picchu and Ollantaytambo, 91 00:04:51,987 --> 00:04:53,815 and they would have just completed them 92 00:04:53,902 --> 00:04:55,773 -Wait... -like, a hundred years before the Spanish. 93 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:57,732 Wait a second, wait a second. But here's the deal. 94 00:04:57,819 --> 00:05:00,604 That is mainstream archaeology's opinion. 95 00:05:00,691 --> 00:05:02,737 When you ask the local, 96 00:05:02,824 --> 00:05:04,434 including the local archaeologists 97 00:05:04,521 --> 00:05:06,697 and tour guides, yes, 98 00:05:06,784 --> 00:05:09,787 they will tell tour groups that yes, this is all Inca, 99 00:05:09,874 --> 00:05:13,095 but when you have deep conversations with them, 100 00:05:13,182 --> 00:05:17,142 they all agree that many of those structures 101 00:05:17,186 --> 00:05:18,753 are pre-Inca. 102 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,408 And this is where the opinions diverge. 103 00:05:21,451 --> 00:05:23,323 -HENRY: Right. -Who were the pre-Inca? 104 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:27,501 NARRATOR: In April 2019, 105 00:05:27,544 --> 00:05:29,677 David Childress traveled to Peru 106 00:05:29,764 --> 00:05:32,723 with author Hugh Newman to meet 107 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:34,899 with Jorge Luis Delgado, 108 00:05:34,943 --> 00:05:39,426 a local expert on and a descendant of the Inca. 109 00:05:39,469 --> 00:05:42,211 Jorge believes that many of Peru's most incredible 110 00:05:42,298 --> 00:05:46,868 ancient structures do, in fact, predate the Inca. 111 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:09,760 CHILDRESS: All right. Here we are. 112 00:06:09,804 --> 00:06:12,763 NARRATOR: On this day, Jorge took David and Hugh 113 00:06:12,807 --> 00:06:15,549 to one of Peru's most mysterious sites: 114 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:18,029 a location outside of Cusco 115 00:06:18,116 --> 00:06:20,423 known only as the X-Zone. 116 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:24,819 Overlooking the sprawling stone fortress of Sacsayhuamán, 117 00:06:24,906 --> 00:06:28,779 the X-Zone is an impressive collection of megalithic ruins, 118 00:06:28,866 --> 00:06:33,523 rock-cut monuments and a maze of underground tunnels. 119 00:06:57,373 --> 00:07:00,768 -HENRY: It's incredible. -CHILDRESS: What kind of technology 120 00:07:00,855 --> 00:07:05,686 does it take to cut these so perfectly and straight 121 00:07:05,773 --> 00:07:09,341 and then fit them in where you can't fit 122 00:07:09,385 --> 00:07:12,693 a piece of paper or a razor blade in here. 123 00:07:12,736 --> 00:07:15,957 HENRY: It seems like they're softening the stones somehow, 124 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,568 and they're kind of shaping it and then putting it back in. 125 00:07:18,655 --> 00:07:19,961 Like some magical technology. 126 00:07:57,389 --> 00:07:59,827 NARRATOR: Naylamp was the deity 127 00:07:59,914 --> 00:08:03,265 worshipped by the Sican people who settled in northern Peru 128 00:08:03,352 --> 00:08:07,356 around 750 AD, centuries before the Inca. 129 00:08:07,443 --> 00:08:09,489 Their oral traditions 130 00:08:09,532 --> 00:08:12,492 describe Naylamp as a strange being 131 00:08:12,579 --> 00:08:14,798 with sharp birdlike features 132 00:08:14,885 --> 00:08:17,192 who, upon his death, sprouted wings 133 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:20,282 and then ascended into the sky. 134 00:08:20,369 --> 00:08:23,024 Is it possible that these traditional beliefs 135 00:08:23,111 --> 00:08:26,593 are grounded in fact, as the Sican people claim? 136 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:30,248 And, if so, could Naylamp have been, 137 00:08:30,335 --> 00:08:32,816 as ancient astronaut theorists suspect, 138 00:08:32,903 --> 00:08:35,123 an extraterrestrial being? 139 00:09:18,906 --> 00:09:21,952 I think that the Incas found these places. 140 00:09:21,996 --> 00:09:25,303 They identified them as very important, and they moved in. 141 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:28,045 They say so in one of the earliest books 142 00:09:28,132 --> 00:09:29,917 written about that region. 143 00:09:30,004 --> 00:09:32,484 Diego de Landa was the one who wrote it. 144 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:35,096 It says that the Incas themselves 145 00:09:35,139 --> 00:09:38,229 said this was not built by us. 146 00:09:38,316 --> 00:09:40,841 -We also have the local legends -HENRY: Yeah. 147 00:09:40,928 --> 00:09:45,628 that say that there were celestial visitors. 148 00:09:45,672 --> 00:09:49,327 They were not gods. They were visiting extraterrestrials. 149 00:09:49,371 --> 00:09:50,938 HENRY: Well, here's where now we get 150 00:09:51,025 --> 00:09:53,288 fact backing up the local knowledge, 151 00:09:53,375 --> 00:09:54,898 lore, understanding in this. 152 00:09:54,985 --> 00:09:57,901 1994 archaeologist Ruth Shady 153 00:09:57,988 --> 00:10:00,512 is exploring north of Lima, and she said, 154 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,124 -"That hill over there-- that looks artificial to me." -TSOUKALOS: Mm-hmm. 155 00:10:03,211 --> 00:10:04,995 So she goes and gathers some soldiers. 156 00:10:05,082 --> 00:10:06,562 They do some excavating. 157 00:10:06,649 --> 00:10:08,825 Lo and behold, here's this-- what? 158 00:10:08,869 --> 00:10:10,697 Ten-story-tall pyramid. 159 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:13,308 And that became known as the site of... 160 00:10:13,351 --> 00:10:15,310 -Caral. -Right. 161 00:10:15,397 --> 00:10:18,313 NARRATOR: First discovered in 1905, 162 00:10:18,356 --> 00:10:22,534 the site of Caral-Supe, often referred to as simply Caral, 163 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:25,842 was initially thought to be little more than a scattering 164 00:10:25,929 --> 00:10:29,411 of insignificant and possibly modern ruins. 165 00:10:30,325 --> 00:10:33,981 But while investigating the site in 1994, 166 00:10:34,068 --> 00:10:37,724 Peruvian archaeologist Ruth Shady Solís 167 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:40,857 came to the astonishing revelation that Caral 168 00:10:40,944 --> 00:10:44,774 was once a vast and highly sophisticated city. 169 00:10:48,082 --> 00:10:51,825 When you visit Caral, you find a huge archaeological complex. 170 00:10:51,912 --> 00:10:56,394 There is a large sunken amphitheater to the south. 171 00:10:56,438 --> 00:10:58,875 There's a major pyramid to the north 172 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:01,617 and then there are more minor pyramids 173 00:11:01,704 --> 00:11:04,794 that surround a central area. 174 00:11:04,881 --> 00:11:07,536 There are also other buildings, residential buildings, 175 00:11:07,623 --> 00:11:09,886 so it's a really huge complex. 176 00:11:10,931 --> 00:11:13,368 NARRATOR: But the most extraordinary discovery 177 00:11:13,455 --> 00:11:15,631 was still to come. 178 00:11:15,718 --> 00:11:20,331 While excavating the pyramid's foundation in 1999, 179 00:11:20,418 --> 00:11:23,987 Ruth Shady and her team unearthed the preserved remains 180 00:11:24,074 --> 00:11:27,687 of ancient mesh bags woven from a long durable grass 181 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:30,124 known as shicra. 182 00:11:31,081 --> 00:11:33,605 Up until this time, there had been no way 183 00:11:33,649 --> 00:11:36,957 to scientifically determine the age of Caral 184 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,308 since it is not possible to perform radiocarbon dating 185 00:11:40,395 --> 00:11:44,355 on inorganic material like stone ruins. 186 00:11:45,313 --> 00:11:47,750 With the discovery of the grass bags, 187 00:11:47,794 --> 00:11:51,101 archaeologists now had the organic material they needed 188 00:11:51,145 --> 00:11:54,191 to determine just how old Caral really was. 189 00:11:55,149 --> 00:11:59,153 And what they found was nothing less than shocking. 190 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,155 Carbon dating of the bags 191 00:12:01,242 --> 00:12:05,289 revealed that Caral predated the Inca civilization 192 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:08,075 by more than 3,000 years. 193 00:12:08,162 --> 00:12:10,077 SCHOCH: This site went back at least 194 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,733 to 2600 BC or earlier. 195 00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:18,955 So that was putting it back 4,600 or more years, 196 00:12:19,042 --> 00:12:22,437 which made it one of the oldest sites 197 00:12:22,524 --> 00:12:26,006 as far as civilization in the Americas. 198 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:29,966 NEWMAN: Caral could be the mother culture 199 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:32,099 of the whole of South America. 200 00:12:32,186 --> 00:12:35,232 The dating of Caral has really put into question 201 00:12:35,319 --> 00:12:37,757 the origins of civilization on the planet. 202 00:13:11,051 --> 00:13:14,315 NARRATOR: The dating of Caral to 2600 BC, 203 00:13:14,402 --> 00:13:18,188 a revelation made just a little more than two decades ago, 204 00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:22,932 completely upended history's well-established timeline. 205 00:13:23,019 --> 00:13:26,762 And continuing excavation has produced evidence 206 00:13:26,849 --> 00:13:29,504 suggesting the site is even older. 207 00:13:32,202 --> 00:13:34,161 These discoveries at Caral 208 00:13:34,248 --> 00:13:37,338 are changing the face of South American archaeology 209 00:13:37,425 --> 00:13:39,079 and we don't even know what 210 00:13:39,166 --> 00:13:41,733 new discoveries they're going to be making in the future. 211 00:13:41,777 --> 00:13:43,910 I mean, you have a choice. If you're an archaeologist, 212 00:13:43,953 --> 00:13:47,348 you're either really excited right now or really nervous 213 00:13:47,435 --> 00:13:49,785 because the chronology has been obliterated, 214 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:52,483 and now we have to ask were extraterrestrials 215 00:13:52,570 --> 00:13:55,182 helping to advance us? And Caral is hinting 216 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:56,487 at that as well. Definitely. 217 00:13:56,574 --> 00:14:02,754 Incredible. 218 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,452 Have either of you been to Caral? 219 00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:05,627 -No. -No. -Well, this is great 220 00:14:05,714 --> 00:14:06,846 because on our video call 221 00:14:06,933 --> 00:14:09,109 is our good friend Brien Foerster 222 00:14:09,152 --> 00:14:10,414 -and he's just been to Caral, and I can't wait to hear -Awesome. 223 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:13,069 -what he has to report to us. -Absolutely. -Oh, right. 224 00:14:13,113 --> 00:14:15,550 Hey, Brien. Good to see you. 225 00:14:15,593 --> 00:14:16,856 -CHILDRESS: Hi, Brien. -Gentlemen. 226 00:14:16,943 --> 00:14:18,031 TSOUKALOS: It's been a long time. 227 00:14:18,118 --> 00:14:19,859 Always a pleasure to visit 228 00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:22,296 with my ancient aliens compatriots. 229 00:14:22,339 --> 00:14:25,777 -Are you at your house in Paracas? -FOERSTER: Yeah. 230 00:14:25,821 --> 00:14:27,518 I've just come back from an incredible 231 00:14:27,605 --> 00:14:29,564 ancient site called Caral 232 00:14:29,607 --> 00:14:31,522 on the central coast of Peru. 233 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:34,786 Caral has only been excavated 234 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:37,398 for possibly the last 20 or 30 years. 235 00:14:38,486 --> 00:14:40,401 It was a huge trading center 236 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:44,231 that connected the coast of Peru, the highlands of Peru, 237 00:14:44,274 --> 00:14:48,191 and even the Amazon jungle 4,500 years ago. 238 00:14:49,105 --> 00:14:51,803 NARRATOR: Aside from featuring the remains 239 00:14:51,847 --> 00:14:53,980 of many impressive ancient structures, 240 00:14:54,067 --> 00:14:56,896 Caral appears to have been designed 241 00:14:56,983 --> 00:14:59,768 very much like a modern metropolis 242 00:14:59,855 --> 00:15:03,206 with specific districts dedicated to various trades, 243 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:07,558 along with dwellings for as many as 3,000 inhabitants. 244 00:15:07,602 --> 00:15:09,299 BEARDSLEY: At Caral, 245 00:15:09,343 --> 00:15:12,781 we've got this incredible urban planning. 246 00:15:12,868 --> 00:15:17,090 It has indications of the use of science. 247 00:15:18,047 --> 00:15:21,442 Definitely engineering, definitely mathematics 248 00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:24,706 when we start looking at the planning, the structure 249 00:15:24,793 --> 00:15:27,665 of these particular sites. 250 00:15:27,752 --> 00:15:31,278 It's a huge complex. They're discovering more and more of it. 251 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:33,236 So as you drive off the highway 252 00:15:33,323 --> 00:15:36,152 towards Caral, there are ruins on the left side 253 00:15:36,196 --> 00:15:38,024 and the right side going on for miles. 254 00:15:38,111 --> 00:15:40,461 So it was a very major center. 255 00:15:40,504 --> 00:15:43,203 Probably the most incredible thing is the central pyramid. 256 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:46,771 It's quite massive, and the excavations are ongoing. 257 00:15:47,729 --> 00:15:50,514 NARRATOR: Standing some 90 feet tall, 258 00:15:50,601 --> 00:15:54,649 the great pyramid of Caral occupies an area of five acres 259 00:15:54,736 --> 00:15:57,304 or nearly four football fields. 260 00:15:58,566 --> 00:16:01,047 A 30-foot-wide staircase rises 261 00:16:01,090 --> 00:16:04,833 from a sunken circular plaza at the base of the pyramid 262 00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:07,531 passing over three terraced levels 263 00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:10,839 until it reaches the top of a platform 264 00:16:10,926 --> 00:16:13,711 that features the remains of a large atrium 265 00:16:13,755 --> 00:16:17,802 and some kind of structure designed for continuous burning. 266 00:16:17,846 --> 00:16:20,892 But just what was its purpose? 267 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:23,634 NEWMAN: It's quite tall, and it's thought that 268 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:26,550 the ceremonial aspect of the site was carried out 269 00:16:26,637 --> 00:16:28,900 from the top of this particular pyramid. 270 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:32,078 And the chief priests, or shaman, 271 00:16:32,121 --> 00:16:34,994 could actually see over the whole domain of Caral 272 00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:37,866 and actually almost see to the coast on a clear day. 273 00:16:38,954 --> 00:16:43,176 And so it could have been used for astronomical observations. 274 00:16:44,916 --> 00:16:47,571 NARRATOR: Recently unearthed archaeological evidence 275 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:49,704 suggests that, during the same period, 276 00:16:49,747 --> 00:16:52,924 approximately 4,600 years ago, 277 00:16:52,968 --> 00:16:56,102 while ziggurats were being built in Mesopotamia, 278 00:16:56,145 --> 00:16:58,843 as well as the step pyramids in Egypt, 279 00:16:58,887 --> 00:17:01,846 incredibly similar structures 280 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,197 were being constructed in Caral. 281 00:17:06,286 --> 00:17:09,289 Was this by pure coincidence? 282 00:17:09,376 --> 00:17:13,249 Ancient astronaut theorists believe the evidence suggests 283 00:17:13,293 --> 00:17:15,860 they could be profoundly connected. 284 00:17:16,818 --> 00:17:20,909 It's almost as if there was some kind of syzygy going on 285 00:17:20,996 --> 00:17:25,957 between Egypt and the Caral civilization 286 00:17:26,001 --> 00:17:29,918 of northern Peru at exactly the same time. 287 00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:35,184 These monuments quite clearly are meant 288 00:17:35,271 --> 00:17:38,840 to connect us with otherworldly environments. 289 00:17:38,927 --> 00:17:43,584 They were both constructed around 2600 BC. 290 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:46,413 I find that very intriguing indeed. 291 00:17:48,197 --> 00:17:50,591 Caral is dated to about the same time 292 00:17:50,678 --> 00:17:53,072 that the Saqqara step pyramid was built. 293 00:17:53,159 --> 00:17:56,075 Do you see a correspondence between those two sites? 294 00:17:56,118 --> 00:17:58,120 It's just curious that this timeline 295 00:17:58,207 --> 00:18:02,733 keeps coming up about ancient places being 4,500 years old. 296 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:04,822 Like the pyramids in Egypt 297 00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:06,737 and other locations around the world. 298 00:18:06,824 --> 00:18:09,262 HENRY: I think that there was a pre-flood civilization, 299 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:12,874 everything collapsed and then around this period-- 3000 BC-- 300 00:18:12,961 --> 00:18:15,877 then all of a sudden there's this reset in the ancient world. 301 00:18:15,964 --> 00:18:18,314 Yeah, that very much seems to be the case. 302 00:18:19,272 --> 00:18:22,275 NARRATOR: In ancient traditions around the world, 303 00:18:22,362 --> 00:18:24,494 there are accounts of a lost civilization 304 00:18:24,581 --> 00:18:28,498 that existed on Earth that was destroyed by a great flood... 305 00:18:29,456 --> 00:18:32,850 ...such as the Vedas texts of India, 306 00:18:32,894 --> 00:18:36,854 the Babylonian poem The Epic of Gilgamesh, 307 00:18:36,941 --> 00:18:39,292 the Bible's Book of Genesis, 308 00:18:39,379 --> 00:18:42,295 and the Incan myth of the Unu Pachakuti. 309 00:18:43,252 --> 00:18:46,299 According to geologist Dr. Robert Schoch, 310 00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:48,388 a growing body of evidence suggests 311 00:18:48,431 --> 00:18:51,956 that these stories are based on historical events, 312 00:18:52,043 --> 00:18:53,828 and that such a cataclysm 313 00:18:53,871 --> 00:18:55,873 may actually have occurred around the end 314 00:18:55,917 --> 00:18:59,834 of the last ice age 12,000 years ago. 315 00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:05,318 We now know, based on a lot of geological data, 316 00:19:05,405 --> 00:19:07,972 that there were incredible 317 00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:10,714 climatic changes at the end of the last ice age. 318 00:19:10,758 --> 00:19:13,630 My work has put it all together that 319 00:19:13,717 --> 00:19:17,547 this was based on major solar outbursts that change conditions 320 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:20,376 on the surface of the Earth dramatically. 321 00:19:20,463 --> 00:19:23,510 And to make a very big story very short, 322 00:19:23,597 --> 00:19:26,730 there were well-developed cultures, 323 00:19:26,774 --> 00:19:30,821 sophisticated cultures, civilization on Earth 324 00:19:30,908 --> 00:19:33,868 that were devastated by the events 325 00:19:33,955 --> 00:19:37,176 at the end of the last ice age. 326 00:19:37,263 --> 00:19:39,526 NARRATOR: According to Dr. Schoch, 327 00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:43,007 this cataclysm thrust humanity into a dark age 328 00:19:43,094 --> 00:19:45,096 for thousands of years. 329 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:49,405 Until new civilizations emerged around the globe 330 00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:51,712 at remarkably similar times. 331 00:19:52,713 --> 00:19:57,239 SCHOCH: After thousands of years, civilizations reemerged 332 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,198 around the same time period, 333 00:19:59,241 --> 00:20:02,244 between about 3500 BC 334 00:20:02,288 --> 00:20:04,899 to 2500 BC or so. 335 00:20:04,986 --> 00:20:08,685 We have that in the old world with Egypt, 336 00:20:08,772 --> 00:20:11,558 with Mesopotamia, 337 00:20:11,601 --> 00:20:15,866 in Asia with the Chinese cultures. 338 00:20:16,867 --> 00:20:21,220 Caral is, I believe, evidence of this in the Americas 339 00:20:21,263 --> 00:20:24,353 of the reemergence of civilization. 340 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:28,139 Can you tell us why, in your opinion, 341 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:30,794 it is such an important ancient site? 342 00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:32,535 I think the most important thing was that 343 00:20:32,622 --> 00:20:35,321 people of Caral were in some way connected 344 00:20:35,364 --> 00:20:38,454 to the ancient deity called Viracocha, 345 00:20:38,498 --> 00:20:40,630 which we find in other cultures in Peru 346 00:20:40,717 --> 00:20:42,371 and other locations around the world. 347 00:20:42,458 --> 00:20:45,374 -Wow. -HENRY: They found the gourd buried near Caral 348 00:20:45,461 --> 00:20:48,203 that had the image of the Staff God on it, 349 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,249 and they were able to date it to-- 350 00:20:50,336 --> 00:20:52,163 What? Like, 2300 BC? Meaning it was created 351 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,210 -by people who lived at Caral. -FOERSTER: Yeah. Exactly. 352 00:20:55,297 --> 00:20:59,083 It makes Caral the oldest radiocarbon-tested 353 00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:01,564 ceremonial complex in the Americas. 354 00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:10,486 It is quite likely that the people of Caral 355 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:12,662 were in some way connected to the... 356 00:21:12,749 --> 00:21:14,664 ancient deity called Viracocha, which we find in other cultures 357 00:21:14,708 --> 00:21:17,450 in Peru and other locations around the world. 358 00:21:17,537 --> 00:21:20,104 So you're referring to the so-called Staff God, right? 359 00:21:20,191 --> 00:21:22,106 The guy with the two staffs. 360 00:21:22,193 --> 00:21:23,673 Yeah, very much so. 361 00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:26,154 So the Staff God that was found at Caral, 362 00:21:26,241 --> 00:21:29,288 I mean, it's really the same guy Viracocha, 363 00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:32,334 on the Gate of the Sun at Tiahuanco, right? 364 00:21:32,421 --> 00:21:34,249 Yeah, very similar. I mean, of course, 365 00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,730 the, uh, depictions are relatively crude, 366 00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:38,949 but they seem-- it seems to depict 367 00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:44,172 the same kind of deity or ancestor or ancient visitors. 368 00:21:45,608 --> 00:21:49,699 NARRATOR: While exploring a burial site near Caral in 2003, 369 00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:54,008 archaeologist Alvaro Ruiz made a remarkable discovery. 370 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:59,187 One of the artifacts that is uncovered and recovered 371 00:21:59,274 --> 00:22:01,842 in Caral-Supe is this gourd fragment. 372 00:22:03,496 --> 00:22:07,064 And on this gourd fragment is an image of this-- 373 00:22:07,108 --> 00:22:09,545 what has come to be called a Staff God. 374 00:22:09,632 --> 00:22:13,549 So it's this little guy, and he's standing holding 375 00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:17,118 what appears to be a staff in each of his hands. 376 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:23,907 NARRATOR: Incredibly, radiocarbon dating of the gourd fragment 377 00:22:23,951 --> 00:22:27,868 revealed that it is roughly 4,300 years old. 378 00:22:27,911 --> 00:22:30,349 The artifact's extraordinary age 379 00:22:30,392 --> 00:22:32,916 suggests the deity drawn on it 380 00:22:33,003 --> 00:22:36,311 was worshipped by the people of Caral. 381 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,445 But even more astonishing to archaeologists 382 00:22:39,532 --> 00:22:42,796 is the fact that the so-called Staff God 383 00:22:42,883 --> 00:22:45,233 bears a striking similarity to a figure 384 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,324 worshiped by the Inca some 3,000 years later. 385 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:54,242 The Staff God was a form of Viracocha. 386 00:22:54,329 --> 00:22:57,071 And this is exactly the same figure 387 00:22:57,158 --> 00:22:59,029 that's seen again and again 388 00:22:59,073 --> 00:23:02,424 in pre-Columbian art, 389 00:23:02,468 --> 00:23:06,733 at places like Tiahuanco on the Gateway of the Sun, 390 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:09,518 one of the most important structures 391 00:23:09,605 --> 00:23:12,652 that existed in South America. 392 00:23:12,739 --> 00:23:15,089 There you have exactly the same figure. 393 00:23:54,215 --> 00:23:57,740 Viracocha was the primary deity of the Andes 394 00:23:57,827 --> 00:23:59,481 going back many thousands of years. 395 00:23:59,568 --> 00:24:04,225 He was thought to be the founder of all the ancient sites 396 00:24:04,312 --> 00:24:06,270 we see in Peru and Bolivia today, 397 00:24:06,357 --> 00:24:08,577 including Tiahuanco, Cusco, 398 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:12,320 Sacsayhuamán, Machu Picchu and many others. 399 00:24:12,407 --> 00:24:15,628 And he formed them and built them along this alignment 400 00:24:15,715 --> 00:24:17,499 called the Path of Viracocha 401 00:24:17,586 --> 00:24:21,198 which stretches southeast to northwest 402 00:24:21,285 --> 00:24:23,766 across the whole country. 403 00:24:23,853 --> 00:24:26,943 BEARDSLEY: This must have been, in our estimation, 404 00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:31,426 an important symbol because we see this particular symbol 405 00:24:31,513 --> 00:24:34,603 being reused and adopted 406 00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:38,172 in other places for several thousand years. 407 00:24:38,215 --> 00:24:41,828 So we see, basically, everything 408 00:24:41,915 --> 00:24:44,178 that becomes civilization, that become the Inca, 409 00:24:44,265 --> 00:24:46,659 we see in Caral-Supe. 410 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:53,187 It's kind of strange that, uh, the motif 411 00:24:53,274 --> 00:24:56,712 has remained, which would suggest that that motif 412 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,368 was incredibly important to the local populations. 413 00:25:00,455 --> 00:25:02,109 FOERSTER: Well, that's a good point because 414 00:25:02,196 --> 00:25:04,154 that, again, shows the connection between 415 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:07,331 the same kind of deity or ancestor 416 00:25:07,375 --> 00:25:10,726 we see at Tiahuanco or Pumapunku 417 00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:13,033 or in Cusco itself, 418 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,514 -which is pretty incredible. -That's pretty amazing. 419 00:25:15,601 --> 00:25:17,385 You know, that-- I mean, that there's 420 00:25:17,472 --> 00:25:19,953 something-- that something has to be said about that. 421 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,869 We, of course, have made the suggestion Viracocha 422 00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:26,176 may have been some type of a visitor from another planet 423 00:25:26,263 --> 00:25:29,571 because also, the gear that he is wearing, 424 00:25:29,658 --> 00:25:31,355 for all intents and purposes, 425 00:25:31,442 --> 00:25:32,835 looks like a modern-day astronaut. 426 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,316 -CHILDRESS: Yeah, true. -TSOUKALOS: Well, if that were true, 427 00:25:35,403 --> 00:25:38,406 it would tie in to this whole 428 00:25:38,493 --> 00:25:40,713 worship of Viracocha that can be found 429 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,237 all throughout Peru and South America. 430 00:25:43,324 --> 00:25:45,761 -Yeah, that very much seems to be the case. -TSOUKALOS: Amazing. 431 00:25:45,848 --> 00:25:48,677 Brien, thank you very much for your time. It was wonderful 432 00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:51,288 to connect with you, even if it's like this, 433 00:25:51,375 --> 00:25:53,464 and I cannot wait to see you again 434 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:55,466 face-to-face in person. 435 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:58,731 That will be a pleasure. Thanks to all three of you gentlemen. 436 00:25:58,818 --> 00:26:02,038 -TSOUKALOS: Thank you. -CHILDRESS: Thanks, Brien. -Okay. Thank you. 437 00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:04,693 And, you know, what a-- See, to me 438 00:26:04,780 --> 00:26:06,956 the whole idea that this Staff God only exists 439 00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:09,393 in South or Central America... no. 440 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,918 -No. -It-- that symbolism 441 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:14,398 or that motif exists 442 00:26:14,485 --> 00:26:16,052 -worldwide. -CHILDRESS: Worldwide. 443 00:26:16,139 --> 00:26:18,881 And it's well known in Egypt and Sumeria, 444 00:26:18,968 --> 00:26:20,317 -ancient India. -HENRY: Right. 445 00:26:20,361 --> 00:26:23,364 CHILDRESS: It's interesting, too, how when you look at 446 00:26:23,451 --> 00:26:25,148 the Viracocha god 447 00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:28,108 at the-- on the Gate of the Sun at Tiahuanco, 448 00:26:28,151 --> 00:26:30,327 on either side of him 449 00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:33,113 are these birdmen, birdmen who can fly. 450 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,463 -TSOUKALOS: Right. And what... -CHILDRESS: Coming to him. 451 00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:39,423 TSOUKALOS: And what better symbolism to signify flight 452 00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:42,775 -than showing people with wings? -HENRY: Right. 453 00:26:42,862 --> 00:26:45,778 You know, I mean, we have the same thing in ancient Sumeria. 454 00:26:45,865 --> 00:26:47,606 -Mm-hmm. -You know, it is quite possible 455 00:26:47,693 --> 00:26:51,610 that this was symbolism to signify people 456 00:26:51,697 --> 00:26:53,481 coming from the sky. 457 00:26:54,482 --> 00:26:57,703 NARRATOR: Curiously, examples of godlike figures 458 00:26:57,746 --> 00:27:00,314 that are depicted as half man and half bird, 459 00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:02,490 much like the figure of Naylamp 460 00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:05,624 that was worshipped by the Sican people of Northern Peru, 461 00:27:05,711 --> 00:27:08,844 can be found throughout the ancient world 462 00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:12,065 from the Anunnaki in Mesopotamia 463 00:27:12,152 --> 00:27:15,503 to the Hindu god Garuda in India, 464 00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:18,332 the tengu in Japan, 465 00:27:18,375 --> 00:27:21,161 the birdmen of Easter Island, 466 00:27:21,248 --> 00:27:23,990 and the kachinas revered by numerous tribes 467 00:27:24,077 --> 00:27:26,166 in North America. 468 00:27:26,253 --> 00:27:31,562 There is even a 44,000-year-old cave painting in Indonesia 469 00:27:31,606 --> 00:27:33,564 that archaeologists have determined 470 00:27:33,608 --> 00:27:36,829 to be a humanlike figure with a bird's head. 471 00:27:38,613 --> 00:27:41,181 We also have the local legends, 472 00:27:41,268 --> 00:27:45,620 and they're very clear in saying that Viracocha came 473 00:27:45,707 --> 00:27:48,362 -and gave instructions, so... -HENRY: Right. 474 00:27:48,449 --> 00:27:50,581 -To-to create civilization. -TSOUKALOS: Yes. 475 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:54,281 -To create these buildings. All these giant pyramids. -Right. 476 00:27:54,368 --> 00:27:55,978 TSOUKALOS: According to the legends, 477 00:27:56,065 --> 00:27:58,241 the knowledge of building these things 478 00:27:58,328 --> 00:28:02,506 was given by the so-called gods from the stars. 479 00:28:09,296 --> 00:28:12,429 This has been our argument all along. 480 00:28:12,473 --> 00:28:14,518 That our origin of any of our ancient civilizations 481 00:28:14,605 --> 00:28:16,520 dates much further back 482 00:28:16,607 --> 00:28:19,785 into our distant past than what we're being told. 483 00:28:19,828 --> 00:28:22,222 And that these civilizations all over the world 484 00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:25,051 -are more connected, but archaeologists were saying -Right. 485 00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:26,792 -they had no contact. -HENRY: Right. 486 00:28:26,879 --> 00:28:28,881 But now in South America they're proving 487 00:28:28,924 --> 00:28:30,447 that's completely wrong, 488 00:28:30,534 --> 00:28:32,928 and all of these cultures in South America 489 00:28:33,015 --> 00:28:36,758 into the highlands, into the jungle, all along the coast, 490 00:28:36,845 --> 00:28:39,718 they're all connected, and we have all the geoglyphs 491 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:42,416 -all over South America. -Right. 492 00:28:42,503 --> 00:28:45,071 And, of course, Nazca is so famous for its geoglyphs, 493 00:28:45,158 --> 00:28:47,247 but Caral has the oldest. 494 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:52,861 NARRATOR: The Nazca Lines present one of Peru's greatest mysteries-- 495 00:28:52,948 --> 00:28:56,996 hundreds of massive designs carved into the desert floor, 496 00:28:57,083 --> 00:29:00,695 created on a scale to only be understood 497 00:29:00,782 --> 00:29:02,958 from high above the Earth. 498 00:29:03,872 --> 00:29:06,788 It is estimated that the earliest of these lines, 499 00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:10,923 called geoglyphs, were made around 500 BC. 500 00:29:13,882 --> 00:29:17,668 But in the year 2000, while excavating Caral, 501 00:29:17,712 --> 00:29:19,670 archaeologists discovered a geoglyph 502 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:22,151 that they believe dates to the same period 503 00:29:22,195 --> 00:29:24,893 as the ancient city itself, 504 00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:27,461 which would make it, by far, the oldest geoglyph 505 00:29:27,504 --> 00:29:30,072 ever found in Peru. 506 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:33,336 Its shape is nearly impossible to discern 507 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,296 from the ground, but when viewed from the sky, 508 00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,952 the profile of a face is clearly recognizable. 509 00:29:41,736 --> 00:29:44,913 The geoglyph face is constructed of stones 510 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,307 laid out to create the figure itself. 511 00:29:48,395 --> 00:29:51,137 It has its mouth open. 512 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:53,530 It's looking towards one direction, 513 00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:56,969 and also it has what looks like kind of wavy hair, 514 00:29:57,056 --> 00:29:59,188 although this could actually be 515 00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,843 blood spurting out of its head. 516 00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:04,715 The Caral geoglyph is the oldest known 517 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:07,022 in Peru or Bolivia. 518 00:30:07,109 --> 00:30:11,200 It's at least 2,000 years older than Nazca, maybe more. 519 00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:15,726 And so it does suggest this was the forerunner 520 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,991 to all the Nazca geoglyphs, and this maybe even influenced 521 00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:21,428 the Nazca civilization. 522 00:30:21,515 --> 00:30:23,909 So all of this, again, 523 00:30:23,996 --> 00:30:27,738 seems to suggest a commonality. 524 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:31,960 What I might call a super complex of civilization, 525 00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:35,746 so not just one civilization in isolation 526 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,011 but a number of related civilizations 527 00:30:39,098 --> 00:30:41,709 that cover a very long period in time 528 00:30:41,796 --> 00:30:45,887 and go back to a very remote period ultimately. 529 00:30:46,932 --> 00:30:49,717 Yeah, you have to wonder about the geoglyph at Caral 530 00:30:49,804 --> 00:30:54,200 because the geoglyphs at Nazca are obviously meant to be seen 531 00:30:54,287 --> 00:30:56,680 -from the air by the gods. -Right. Right. 532 00:30:56,767 --> 00:31:00,293 So you would think the geoglyph at Caral has the same meaning. 533 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:02,121 And I've seen, too, where Viracocha 534 00:31:02,164 --> 00:31:04,340 supposedly told the Nazca people to make those lines. 535 00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:06,255 That's one of the legends. 536 00:31:06,342 --> 00:31:10,259 I also think maybe this is a type of calling card, 537 00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:12,479 and there are other geoglyphs around the world 538 00:31:12,566 --> 00:31:15,874 that correspond with each other because you have these lines, 539 00:31:15,961 --> 00:31:18,746 these figures, these, you know, things wanting 540 00:31:18,833 --> 00:31:22,750 to communicate with the celestial realm, 541 00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:25,971 and you have to wonder why because 542 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:29,061 -coincidence no longer holds water. -Right. 543 00:31:31,802 --> 00:31:35,241 NARRATOR: When the Nazca Lines were first discovered in 1927, 544 00:31:35,328 --> 00:31:38,766 they were considered a unique phenomenon. 545 00:31:39,854 --> 00:31:43,249 But in recent years, with the benefit of satellite imagery, 546 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:45,468 thousands of ancient geoglyphs 547 00:31:45,512 --> 00:31:48,254 are being found not just in South America 548 00:31:48,341 --> 00:31:50,082 but all over the world. 549 00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:53,563 In Asia, the Middle East, 550 00:31:53,607 --> 00:31:57,524 Africa, North America, 551 00:31:57,611 --> 00:32:00,135 and even Europe. 552 00:32:00,179 --> 00:32:04,661 The fact of the matter is that we have geoglyphs worldwide. 553 00:32:04,748 --> 00:32:08,361 And so you have to wonder why. 554 00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:11,233 The idea in the ancient astronaut theory 555 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,974 is fairly simple 556 00:32:13,018 --> 00:32:15,977 and that is that our ancestors, 557 00:32:16,021 --> 00:32:19,328 regardless of ancient cultures, 558 00:32:19,415 --> 00:32:22,810 they were visited by the same teachers. 559 00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:27,597 There's another famous glyph, uh, farther south 560 00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:31,384 from Nazca in northern Chile called the Atacama Giant. 561 00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:35,475 -TSOUKALOS: Right. -CHILDRESS: And it's actually the largest of all the geoglyphs 562 00:32:35,562 --> 00:32:37,781 in South America, and he too seems 563 00:32:37,868 --> 00:32:41,220 to be holding a staff, and has an animal with him. 564 00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:44,745 -Yeah. He's like this, kind of. -Yeah, like that. 565 00:32:44,832 --> 00:32:47,530 -HENRY: Yeah. -CHILDRESS: Uh-huh. -TSOUKALOS: Right. 566 00:32:47,617 --> 00:32:57,366 CHILDRESS: Perhaps he's also a... a depiction of Viracocha. 567 00:32:57,453 --> 00:32:59,978 To me, the most important thing about all of this is that 568 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:02,632 the structures at Caral correspond 569 00:33:02,719 --> 00:33:06,549 -with the constellation of the Pleiades. -HENRY: That's right. 570 00:33:06,593 --> 00:33:07,768 -And so whenever I see stuff like that, it's like, you know, -Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. 571 00:33:07,855 --> 00:33:10,205 all right, obviously, 572 00:33:10,292 --> 00:33:11,902 our ancestors were able to observe the stars. 573 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:15,036 Nobody's ever questioned that or debated that. 574 00:33:15,123 --> 00:33:19,301 The power of observation was huge and important, 575 00:33:19,388 --> 00:33:22,391 -but why pick the Pleiades? -HENRY: That's right. 576 00:33:22,478 --> 00:33:25,264 They call it "heaven's mirror," is a term; using the expression 577 00:33:25,351 --> 00:33:27,570 "As above, so below," they're trying to create 578 00:33:27,657 --> 00:33:29,833 a physical connection to these places. 579 00:33:31,444 --> 00:33:33,402 NARRATOR: The excavation of Caral 580 00:33:33,489 --> 00:33:37,537 over the past two and a half decades has produced 581 00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:39,756 a number of archaeological marvels. 582 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,455 But for ancient astronaut theorists, 583 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,065 one of the most significant, 584 00:33:44,152 --> 00:33:46,981 in terms of possibly explaining its origins, 585 00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:50,593 is its curious and seemingly deliberate design. 586 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,380 COLLINS: What has been noticed about the layout 587 00:33:54,467 --> 00:33:58,427 of the different structures and buildings at Caral, 588 00:33:58,514 --> 00:34:03,258 is that they seem to reflect the astronomical positions 589 00:34:03,345 --> 00:34:07,262 of the star cluster known as the Pleiades. 590 00:34:07,349 --> 00:34:11,179 And this seems to be almost beyond coincidence. 591 00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:15,401 NEWMAN: It's almost like a star mirror. 592 00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:19,013 We have the Pleiades in the sky, and it mirrors on Earth. 593 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,319 It looks just like Caral. 594 00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:25,150 The main pyramid would be the central star Alcyone, 595 00:34:25,193 --> 00:34:27,761 and all the other structures in the complex 596 00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:30,242 match all the other stars in the Pleiades. 597 00:34:30,329 --> 00:34:33,593 So there's-there's a real kind of theory that's come forward 598 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,553 that they were trying to map the stars onto the Earth. 599 00:34:39,686 --> 00:34:42,036 NARRATOR: For ancient astronaut theorists, 600 00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:45,300 the layout of Caral is made even more significant 601 00:34:45,387 --> 00:34:48,216 due to the fact that the Pleiades 602 00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:50,740 was also of central importance to the Inca, 603 00:34:50,827 --> 00:34:55,615 who would emerge in Peru more than 3,000 years later. 604 00:34:56,746 --> 00:35:00,010 FOERSTER: The Inca had a very strong connection with the Pleiades. 605 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:03,797 At their ceremonial center called the Coricancha in Cusco, 606 00:35:03,884 --> 00:35:06,408 the rising of the Pleiades corresponded 607 00:35:06,495 --> 00:35:09,803 with the planting of crops in September of each year. 608 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:13,502 NEWMAN: There's even a real Inca tradition 609 00:35:13,546 --> 00:35:16,679 of the ancestors coming from the Pleiades. 610 00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:19,682 So we have to question: did they actually come from Pleiades? 611 00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:23,425 But it does suggest, especially along with the Viracocha figure 612 00:35:23,512 --> 00:35:25,253 that was found there, 613 00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:27,560 that much of the Inca tradition, 614 00:35:27,647 --> 00:35:30,258 the technology and sophistication 615 00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:33,653 may have come from the Caral-Supe civilization. 616 00:35:34,784 --> 00:35:39,833 NARRATOR: Could Caral really have been designed to mirror the Pleiades? 617 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,184 Curiously, it is only the latest in a long line 618 00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:45,491 of ancient sites that have been found 619 00:35:45,578 --> 00:35:47,232 to mirror the star cluster, 620 00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:50,713 such as the Winterbourne Stoke barrow in England, 621 00:35:50,757 --> 00:35:54,891 the Nuragic structures on the island of Sardinia, 622 00:35:54,978 --> 00:35:57,372 and Chaco Canyon in New Mexico 623 00:35:57,459 --> 00:35:59,505 to name just a few. 624 00:36:01,115 --> 00:36:04,684 HENRY: The seven pyramids of Tikal are an example. 625 00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:08,122 The pyramids of Abusir in Egypt is another example. 626 00:36:08,992 --> 00:36:11,647 The tomb complex of the Hongwu emperor, 627 00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:13,867 the founder of the Ming Dynasty, 628 00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:16,435 it mirrors the pattern of the Pleiades. 629 00:36:16,522 --> 00:36:19,394 It's almost as if these ancient cultures are signaling to us 630 00:36:19,481 --> 00:36:22,441 or leaving a trail for us to follow that says, 631 00:36:22,528 --> 00:36:24,704 "This is where our gods came from." 632 00:36:24,791 --> 00:36:27,881 Or, "This is where humans came from, or the place 633 00:36:27,968 --> 00:36:32,277 that we're in fact trying to ultimately travel or return to." 634 00:36:32,364 --> 00:36:34,801 The Hawaiians say their royal ancestors 635 00:36:34,888 --> 00:36:36,498 came from the Pleiades. 636 00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:39,588 The Cherokee in east Tennessee say the same thing. 637 00:36:39,675 --> 00:36:42,025 So divergent cultures are saying exactly the same thing, 638 00:36:42,112 --> 00:36:44,071 and there's always the message, 639 00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:47,422 "We were visited by beings who came from this star system." 640 00:36:47,466 --> 00:36:49,337 You have to wonder why. 641 00:36:49,424 --> 00:36:51,600 In this case, the Pleiades, to me 642 00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:55,822 suggests that someone wanted to leave behind a message showing 643 00:36:55,909 --> 00:36:57,911 -where they came from. -Exactly. 644 00:36:57,998 --> 00:37:00,000 TSOUKALOS: I think this is fascinating because 645 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:01,741 it's basically a calling card. 646 00:37:01,828 --> 00:37:03,569 We're gonna go all around the planet. 647 00:37:03,656 --> 00:37:04,874 We're gonna build similar structures. 648 00:37:04,961 --> 00:37:06,963 You're gonna see our calling card, 649 00:37:07,007 --> 00:37:08,748 and it always wants you to remember the Pleiades. 650 00:37:08,835 --> 00:37:10,315 I completely agree with you, 651 00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:13,318 and, you know, the fact-- Look, if there was only 652 00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:16,059 -Caral worldwide that had this thing, -Right. 653 00:37:16,146 --> 00:37:19,149 then fine, there's no argument. 654 00:37:19,193 --> 00:37:21,804 But the fact that there are dozens of examples 655 00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:23,763 like that in ancient times, 656 00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:25,504 that is the point. 657 00:37:32,641 --> 00:37:36,123 You know, this whole excavation of Caral has put 658 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,081 the entire region into a new light, 659 00:37:38,168 --> 00:37:39,996 and if you think about it, 660 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,347 this excavation has only just begun, 661 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,305 so who knows what we'll discover in the future 662 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:45,828 and what other keys we'll find. 663 00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:49,092 CHILDRESS: So are there amazing discoveries 664 00:37:49,179 --> 00:37:52,095 still to be found in South America? There may well be. 665 00:37:52,139 --> 00:37:55,360 I absolutely think so because 666 00:37:55,403 --> 00:38:00,016 there are vast swathes of areas in South America 667 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:02,497 where, you know, who knows 668 00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:05,457 what we'll find in the future because there's nobody there. 669 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:09,722 NARRATOR: In 2019, archaeologists uncovered 670 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:13,029 an ancient settlement in the country of Bolivia, 671 00:38:13,073 --> 00:38:15,684 just south of Peru, that dates back 672 00:38:15,728 --> 00:38:18,992 an astonishing 10,600 years. 673 00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:21,908 While excavation has not revealed 674 00:38:21,995 --> 00:38:24,345 a sophisticated city like Caral, 675 00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:26,826 experts believe that it is just one 676 00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:29,002 of many ancient sites still left 677 00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:31,570 to be uncovered in South America. 678 00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:35,138 And that it may only be a matter of time 679 00:38:35,225 --> 00:38:38,838 before we are forced to rewrite history once again. 680 00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,573 One has to wonder if one day 681 00:39:18,617 --> 00:39:21,097 archaeology will agree with us. 682 00:39:21,184 --> 00:39:25,363 And I think that this is the direction we're actually going 683 00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:28,017 because they've always said, "Oh, you know, 684 00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:31,412 everything is established, we kind of know everything." 685 00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:35,634 And the truth of the matter is that they don't, and Caral 686 00:39:35,677 --> 00:39:39,246 -has proven this because when you look at these pyramids -HENRY: Exactly. 687 00:39:39,289 --> 00:39:42,118 in different regions of the world, 688 00:39:42,205 --> 00:39:44,338 they correspond with each other. 689 00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:47,472 But the depiction of this Staff God, one could argue, 690 00:39:47,515 --> 00:39:50,213 "Oh, you know, this is just a deity holding a staff," 691 00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:53,042 or whatever, but the fact that worldwide-- 692 00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:56,132 not just in Tiwanaku, not just in Caral-- 693 00:39:56,176 --> 00:40:00,398 we have this motif of this being holding two staffs. 694 00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:02,922 -Right. Right. -That is important. 695 00:40:03,009 --> 00:40:04,793 The message is consistent 696 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,927 that extraterrestrials were not only intervening but they were 697 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:10,233 -helping to advance us. -Well, gentlemen, 698 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,801 this has been a fascinating conversation, 699 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:15,108 and you know, this is what's so great about Peru 700 00:40:15,151 --> 00:40:16,718 and that whole region because 701 00:40:16,805 --> 00:40:19,982 it continues to give us new pieces of information. 702 00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:23,725 Look, there can be so much more to discover, and, no doubt, 703 00:40:23,812 --> 00:40:25,771 it will shock us 704 00:40:25,858 --> 00:40:28,164 even more than what we found at-at Caral. 705 00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:32,691 We're gonna find something irrefutable very soon, I think. 706 00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:34,519 -It's gonna change everything. -TSOUKALOS: Right. 707 00:40:34,562 --> 00:40:37,217 And I really think that, you know, the more 708 00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:39,785 archaeological evidence we find 709 00:40:39,828 --> 00:40:42,614 that is connected to the stars 710 00:40:42,657 --> 00:40:44,877 with a combination of stories 711 00:40:44,964 --> 00:40:47,488 of gods that once were here, 712 00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:51,361 it'll only be a matter of time where even 713 00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:55,191 the most dismissive archaeologists will have to say, 714 00:40:55,278 --> 00:41:00,545 "Man. Maybe these guys sitting at this table were right." 715 00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:01,807 Exactly. 716 00:41:01,850 --> 00:41:03,461 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 58594

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