All language subtitles for Going From Broke s02e04.eng

Hi, I'm Ryan.

I'm 26.

I'm from Highland, New
York, and I like going fast.

That's my Harley.

I got a 700 horsepower
Cummins turbo diesel outside.

I have a 2017 Prius
Prime, and I keep

forgetting that I have a boat.

I've had a bunch of jobs.

I lost count at about 30.

I worked for a newspaper,
I've been a bartender,

and I have my own
contracting business.

I do decks.

If you need a pergola, or a
bathroom remodel, I'm your guy.

I decided to move back home.

My mom was diagnosed
with cancer.

Honestly, I put her
through a lot growing up.

I owe this to her to
step up to the plate

and take care of things.

I want to be a
serial entrepreneur

with multiple successful
business ventures.

The only thing stopping me
from doing all these things

is I'm broke.

NARRATOR: Here are the facts.

The numbers are massive.

Over 45 million people have
borrowed over $1.7 trillion

in student loan debt, and the
COVID-19 pandemic has only

made the situation more dire.

My name is Dan
Rosensweig, and I'm

the CEO of the multibillion
dollar company Chegg.

This is my mission.

And with the help of my
financial expert Tonya Rapley,

we're going to help people who
are drowning in extreme debt

build a life of
financial independence.

This is the year!

DAN ROSENSWEIG: It's
not going to be easy.

I can't do this!

DAN ROSENSWEIG: But
if they do the work,

they're going to go from
being in the red to becoming

the CEOs of their own lives.

This is Going From Broke.

TONYA RAPLEY: Hey
Dan, how you doing?

DAN ROSENSWEIG:
I am well, Tonya.

How are you?

You're looking mighty
springlike today.

You know, Spring has sprung.

Thank you, I'm
doing pretty good.

And I'm excited about who
we have coming up today.

We have Ryan, right?

We do, you are correct.

Ryan actually left his job
at the start of the pandemic

to become a aspiring
entrepreneur and handyman,

and he's been doing rather well.

So that's a good thing.

But-- and there's a big but--

Ryan doesn't
necessarily understand

the difference between an
investment and a liability.

That's up, and then back down.

He's also spending
money on vehicles

that need significant repairs--

automotives, boats, anything
that kind of has an engine,

he thinks that he can buy
it, fix it, and get a profit.

The problem is they're
just sitting there.

He's not fixing them.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: And he's
buying it with borrowed money,

so they're collecting interest
and dust at the same time

instead of a return.

And his savings is zero.

Last month, Ryan
brought in about $6,700,

but spent over $8,400, putting
him about $1,700 in the red.

Ryan has many kinds of debt--

student loans, credit cards, and
especially his massive truck,

car, and motorcycle notes.

His total debt is over $135,000.

Did I get this right?

He bought a brand
new Harley Davidson

on credit during the pandemic?

So at 26, three cars,
owns none of them.

Owes on every one of them.

He's headed for a multicar
crash, if you will.

[laughter] It'll be one of
those big hugs, big kicks kind

of conversations, I sense.

I think we should meet Ryan.

Let's go meet him.

We have to.

RYAN BLAKELY: So I just
finished setting up my cameras

and lights, getting internet
hooked up and hard wired,

and the reality is
really setting in.

Like, this is happening.

I'm going to meet
Dan really soon.

And this is a
serious opportunity,

and I need to be prepared
so he can take me seriously.

Hi Dan, Tanya, nice to meet you.

It's an absolute pleasure.

Nice to meet you too, Ryan.

Nice to meet you.

You look very well groomed
for this versus the picture

we originally got.

RYAN BLAKELY: Thank
you very much.

Tell us about Ryan.

Who is Ryan, and why did
you make this phone call?

I'm a serial entrepreneur.

I have a property
maintenance business.

I mainly focus on residential
home contracting right now,

and I'm currently looking to
break into the tech industry,

specifically into blockchain.

But I feel like
what you're saying

isn't matching
what you're doing.

So Ryan, you're spending a
fortune on your vehicles.

The monthly payments,
the monthly insurance,

the monthly gas prices.

There's an old adage, when
you're in a hole, stop digging.

I would just like to
throw in this point here.

I have something
called the Ryan method.

Instead of getting a five
year note on a vehicle,

I'll get a seven at a higher
interest rate but a lower

payment, because I know with
the amortization schedule I plan

to pay it off earlier anyway.

But that allows me to have more
spendable dollars each month.

That's what most
people plan to do,

but that's not happening.

We're going to come
back to the Ryan method,

because let me tell you where
the Ryan method got you.

The Ryan method got you calling
the Tonya and Dan method.

[laughter] That's where
the Ryan method got you.

TONYA RAPLEY: In a
recommended spending plan,

transportation would take up
no more than 15% of a budget.

But Ryan's
transportation expenses

are over 40% of his
spending, putting him

deeper into debt every month.

This is my 2018
rAM 3500 Cummins.

This is the centerpiece for
my whole business operation.

This is my 2017 Prius Prime.

It is partially electric.

Prius, 52 miles to the gallon.

Truck, 10 miles to the gallon.

I spend a lot of money
on gas for the truck.

TONYA RAPLEY: Your Prius.

What was your thought process
buying a car that could cut

down on gas, and then
buying a gas guzzler

and driving the gas guzzler
more than the car that

is actually saving you money?

Appearance value.

I believe that at least
on the initial estimate

walk through for
a particular job,

I am not going to
be taken seriously

if I pull up in a Prius.

But if I pull up in a
truck, it looks the part.

I've never tried actually
going there in a Prius,

but I close a lot.

I've had so many sales jobs.

I've had about 40 plus jobs in
my life, but I'm the sales guy.

That's what I do.

I'm walking charisma, and
the truck closes deals.

The Prius, I'm
willing to try it,

but I'm not confident that it
will deliver fungible results.

So you have two cars, not
like you needed anything else,

but you decide to
buy something else.

This is my baby.

There's nothing like
riding on this thing.

It sounds great.

This is therapy.

When he brought the Harley
home, I wasn't too happy.

TONYA RAPLEY: So can
you let us know why that

was such a necessary purchase?

I'd recently broken
up with my girlfriend,

and I wanted to quit smoking.

So I used it as an
incentive to do that

and to get over the breakup.

How was it an incentive?

The $200 some odd a month
that I was spending on smoking

would then be used
for the Harley.

But you didn't quit smoking.

So now we have the
cost of the loan

and we have cigarettes still.

[sigh]

DAN ROSENSWEIG: And
when I look at what

you're spending your
money on, it's cigarettes,

Tito's, and fast food.

Is that correct?

RYAN BLAKELY: Yes.

It's Friday night.

I'm out with my friends for
this lavish dinner which

I probably shouldn't be doing.

Money.

What do you do when you
have a bad day financially?

You get some good food, yeah.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: You
know what the biggest

obstacle to your success is?

You, excuses.

Entrepreneurs can't have them.

That's what makes the
great entrepreneurs

that you want to be.

And if you get your
act together here,

I'll even introduce
you to a few of them.

So my first
impression of Ryan was

that this is going to be really
difficult because we don't have

a lot of time to break
through that armor

and get him to really
embrace dealing

with the problem as
opposed to thinking he can

always talk his way out of it.

I would like to just say,
and this isn't necessarily

a justification, but the
Harley, my Prius, and the truck

I'm all underwater on.

So I would have to take a
significant loss to get out

from underneath those payments.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: Better to
take a loss on the principal.

You're paying more in interest
collectively in a year

than these vehicles
are going to be worth.

They only go down in value.

The Ryan method is
actually impossible for me

to understand because
it's bad math.

All right, Tonya, close us out,
man, because I need a break.

[laughter]

TONYA RAPLEY: So
Ryan, what we're

going to need you to do is
take a tally of the investments

that you've purchased or things
that you have laying around

in your yard, the things
you have bought expecting

a return on what
your purchase was,

and we are going to sell it.

We're going to sell
everything you don't need

to either eat, shelter,
or make money on in terms

of working day to day.

Yes, you with your
hand up in the back.

Do you have a question?

[laughter]

I just wanted to ask, when you
were talking about offloading,

were you talking about the
bike, motorcycle, the Harley?

We're going to see
what the best outcome is.

Everything ranging from
selling it, to parking it,

to selling it for parts.

Hearing you just
say that, you know,

I honestly started
tearing up a little bit.

I did agree to this, so
there's probably got to be

another way, though, right?

Right?

We're also going to cut
our cost significantly.

So we're cutting back on gas.

We're cutting back
on dining out.

I would like you
to quit smoking,

and let's close a
deal in the Prius.

Honestly, let's not stop until
we close a deal in the Prius.

Because they don't care about
what kind of car you drive.

You care about what
kind of car you drive.

And I want a picture.

I want-- I want video.

I just closed a
deal in the Prius.

Like, I want to see this.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: So you
ready to do the homework?

Because if the
homework isn't done,

if I see like caveats, and
footnotes, and excuses,

and corner cutting, I'm done.

But if you do the work,
I'm going to be right

there standing next to you.

Absolutely, 100%.

Yesterday was incredibly
eye opening for me.

Speaking with Dan and
Tonya for the first time

really made me
think about a lot,

and they suggested that I get
rid of all of my vehicles,

all three.

But I'm a bit
apprehensive about that.

You know, I'm down,
I'm going to do it.

I just think that
there's a right way

and a wrong way to do it.

Dan and Tonya
wanted me to compile

an inventory of
everything I have

and determine if I
have a use for it.

Is it going to make me money,
or is it just costing me money

by sitting here?

Sticky notes, let's go.

SARAH BRENNIE: The yard
used to be very nice.

I had it all pruned.

I've always done
all the work here.

But right now, you could see
there's trucks, and equipment,

and everything in my yard.

I am the Jack of all trades.

Any handyman task,
I take on and I

complete with full efficiency.

SARAH BRENNIE: He's got
to pay off his debt.

Before he can make anything,
he's got to pay off his debt.

DAN ROSENSWEIG:
Ryan, how are you?

Hi, Dan.

I'm doing well.

How about yourself?

Good.

Ryan, I thought I would
just jump right in.

So of the things that
you were assigned to do,

have you actually done
and completed any of them?

Dan, so I definitely I
think I did all of them

to the extent that would
satisfy what you're asking.

The inventory isn't complete.

That's something that's going
to take much more meticulous

approach which, unfortunately,
I just didn't have time to do

because of my busy schedule.

So the answer is no, you
haven't done any of them yet?

This is probably a good
time to mention, just

full frontal honesty
all cards on the table,

I made an agreement
with my mechanic

to purchase a
second set of wheels

for the truck actually
including tires for $2,500.

Well, why do you--

first of all, why would--

you're broke, and
you agreed to buy

tires you don't need with rims
you don't need for $2,500?

Why?

Sex appeal.

I think that it's going to
help with marketability,

advertising,
selling, and closing.

It's a write-off, and I
can make my money back.

The product new is
worth about $5k.

I could probably sell
it after using it

for a few months for more
than what I paid for it.

DAN ROSENSWEIG:
Every single thing

you bought depreciated
in tremendous value,

so you never should
have bought it.

That's the Ryan method.

So every single thing
you bought was a mistake.

You bought things that
you got ripped off for,

because every single thing
you bought is brand new

and you can't even get
back your money for it.

You didn't need it.

You didn't need three vehicles.

You bought one after
you knew all this.

You bought a $10,000 Harley,
and now you're trying

to justify your decisions.

We had lined up today one of the
world's premier entrepreneurs

to talk to today--

a true serial entrepreneur.

He's world renowned for
inspiring real entrepreneurs,

and now I'm reluctant to
bring him on because you're

not a real entrepreneur.

You're a serial excuse maker,
not a serial entrepreneur.

I've got Gary V waiting.

Tell me why when I
talk to him privately

next that I should tell him
it's actually OK to talk to you.

So tell me why.

I'm the guy.

No evidence of that.

So I had a private
conversation with Gary,

and I said, look, if you want
to meet with him, I'll let you,

but just don't
hold me responsible

for the conversation
not going the way you

would hope that it might go.

And I don't want to put
friends into a situation

that is unnecessarily explosive
and a waste of their time.

I'm going to leave
it up to Gary.

The famous Gary V, thank you
for being willing to help

a young entrepreneur.

What made you say,
you know what?

I'm going to do this.

I'm gonna-- I'm gonna
talk to this kid today.

I think when you
love a game so much,

you always want to
give back to the game.

Entrepreneurship is my game.

I didn't get into
entrepreneurship because it

was the cool thing of the day.

Entrepreneurship got into me,
and I think that more people

need to understand that truth.

I just want to say no BS here,
and I am literally the Leonardo

da Vinci of BS, but [laughter]
I was that kid in second grade

where, like, they're
going around the room,

like, I want to
be a firefighter,

I want to be an astronaut.

Like, I want to own a business.

So Gary, just as
an example, Ryan

bought a $10,000 motorcycle--

GARY VAYNERCHUK: Sell it.

--during the pandemic
despite already--

GARY VAYNERCHUK: Sell it.
DAN ROSENSWEIG: --having about--

Sell it.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: --$70,000.

Sell it.
DAN ROSENSWEIG: Yeah, exactly.

Sell it.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: So what his do--

Yeah, yeah, sell everything.

Have nothing.

Walk.

I see a strategy
mistake because you've

got to stop the bleeding.

It's almost like you're
bleeding to death over here,

you're like, but I've
got a toothache, Gary.

I'm like, you're
bleeding to death.

The other thing you've
got to pay attention to

is that people are scared to
list the thing because telling

us and everybody
else that you're

going to sell it makes
it seem optically

like you're successful.

But when you actually list it,
now you're in the real game.

You're not on the
practice field anymore.

You've got to list it, my man.

How many years have you
been doing business?

10

GARY VAYNERCHUK: Have you
ever stopped and said,

why don't I ever make money?

No.

No, I make-- I make money, I
just spend it on stupid things

and frivolously.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: No,
you don't make money.

You generate revenue,
but you don't make money.

There's a difference.

GARY VAYNERCHUK: Correct.

There's a word called profit.

Have you googled it?

[laughter]

I'm familiar with
the terminology.

I understand the optics of
it really is, you know, one

of the critical factors here.

No, real-- real quick.

Real quick.

Real quick, I'm sorry
to interrupt you.

The optics are the
only thing in the world

that you should not care about.

There's been sodas thrown
at the screen at this point.

Not because they're mad
at you or they hate you,

but because they're desperately
trying to figure out how to get

you out of this
perspective tunnel

you're in because it's
broken, my good friend,

and I don't want that
to be the case for you.

Making sales is
not making money.

You need net profit.

What does your dream
entrepreneurship life

look like?

I don't even know if I want
to tell you guys right now.

This is-- you guys
are hammering me.

Yeah no, I want to be
like an angel investor.

I-- I want to help people
start their own companies.

What I'd really like to be doing
in the next two to five years

is what I like to call the New
York blockchain project, where

I just pair startup
companies that

are focused on this
tech sector with people

that'll invest in them.

And then 10, 20 years from
now, I want to get into biotech

and create--

[gary laughs] a sustainable
technology that will help

re-aerate the
atmosphere to reverse

the effects of global warming.

[laughter] So yeah, but
I can't do any of that

right now because I fix decks.

I actually have career advice.

I think he should become the
greatest entertainer comedian

of all time by your incredible
gift to put together

an unbelievable
amount of buzzwords

to deliver sentences
of dramatic delusion.

There's a big difference
between practical optimism and

straight and utter delusion.

RYAN BLAKELY: So what
just happened was crazy.

That was not what I
was expecting at all.

I'm feeling a mixture
of different emotions.

Still feeling a
bit of shell shock.

I have to go home and sell
stuff because I am not getting

roasted again this week.

That one-- that one
really hit home for me.

You know, getting-- getting an
abrasive pep talk from Gary V

was really eye opening.

So not letting
that happen again.

I'm selling everything.

Selling it all.

Literally digging myself
out of a hole right now.

So I just finished
a walk through.

Took the Prius there
and crushed it.

I guess it doesn't really
matter if I take the Prius.

I could have showed
up on a bicycle,

it wouldn't have mattered.

So I'm actually sitting
in my Prius right now,

and I just closed the deal,
and I broke the contract

right here in the car.

I can do this in my Prius.

I'm going to save so
much money on fuel alone.

Good morning.

TONYA RAPLEY: Hey, Ryan.

How are you?

Hey, Tonya.

How are you?

I'm doing good.

I'm doing good.

So what's been going on?

So I actually brought the
Prius on two walkthroughs,

ready to close.

Oh, did we?

Yeah.

That was a big step.

So I know that you have
entrepreneurial endeavors,

and so I brought in a
special guest, Kim Perell

from Entrepreneur Magazine
to get you started

on your entrepreneurial
journey as you

dig yourself out of debt.

Kim, thank you so
much for joining us.

I'm so happy to be here,
and great to meet you, Ryan.

Hey, Kim.

It's great to meet you, as well.

How do you define
yourself as an entrepreneur

since you're in debt today,
and what is your goal today?

First and foremost, I
need to get out of debt.

Let's go get a piece of paper!

I see there-- what's
in behind you?

I can write it down for
you and send it to you.

Yes, let's write it down.

What are we going to put?

What's our vision?

Let's write it!

Get out of debt.

KIM PERELL: So get
out of debt by when?

I believe anything's
achievable with one year.

So can you do it by
one year from today?

RYAN BLAKELY: I mean,
absolutely I can.

KIM PERELL: Yes!

I wrote this book,
The Execution Factor.

It really tracks what separates
the good from the great,

like what makes those
entrepreneurs successful.

And I believe it is execution.

I sold my last company
in 2014 for $235 million.

[whistles]

Wow.

If you want to be an
entrepreneur so badly,

what would you suffer
for to do that?

You're going to have to do
things you don't want to do.

You're going to have to sell
things you don't want to sell,

but do you want it bad enough?

Take action.

It's easy to dream.

It's hard to do.

It's hard, I know.

I've been bankrupt.

I've been broke.

I've been laid
off, sued, served.

You name it, it's
happened to me,

and I'm relentless in the
pursuit of what I want.

And I can see you have
the similar passion.

Like, you can see it.

You know what you want.

Ryan, what are
you hearing here?

Because what I'm hearing
is that your dreams have

to be more valuable than these
toys you're accumulating--

the boats you're putting
in your backyard, the car

that you're driving.

You have a boat
in your backyard?

Yeah.

Do you have a lake
in your backyard?

We got to get rid of the boat!

I have a lot of stuff.

Oh my gosh, you
should hold the biggest

sale in your front yard
and just sell everything.

Sell everything
but what you need

to create that business and
that dream that you deserve.

Ryan, I believe in you.

I'm excited to see what you
can do when you quit all

the excuses and you execute.

Thank you so much.

I-- that means a lot.

It really does.

TONYA RAPLEY: Between your
boat and the other things back

there, I think that
we can get $6k.

More, even better.

You want to make this as
successful as possible

so that we can get you
closer to being debt free.

So you can actually focus on
what you want to focus on.

RYAN BLAKELY: So there's this
local band called Yard Sale.

They like to play at
yard sales, and they just

randomly pulled
up today and asked

if they could start playing.

[music playing]

SINGER: She took my money and
she ran off to the beach--

Hey, how much
for these comics?

$5 for the whole lot.

All right, that's a good deal.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

You looking to
get all of them?

No, just a couple.

$15.

- Thank you very much.
- You're very welcome.

Have a good day, sir.

You, too.

Holy cow, a microwave.

How much?

RYAN BLAKELY: $30.

$20.

RYAN BLAKELY: All right, yeah.

[laughter]

God bless everybody.

So yeah, this is her.

How much are you looking for?

So this is for $2,750

$40 for everything.

How about $30?

RYAN BLAKELY: $35.

OK.

Here you go.

Appreciate it.

Absolutely.

SINGER: I had a
little bit of trouble.

Your daddy's gonna be--

Hey, how much for
this toaster oven?

RYAN BLAKELY: $5.

All right, sold.

Here's an extra buck for
those coasters there.

Hey, thank you.

Thanks, everybody.

Great yard sale.

WOMAN: Oh my God,
he's a hoarder!

RYAN BLAKELY: It's
been quite a day,

so I didn't make six grand.

But on a positive note, I
received genuine interest

in both of the trailers.

Someone wants to buy
the CRV for their kid,

and I have a guy that
does want the boat.

So I just finished loading
off the bike in the trailer,

and then ratchet
strapping it down.

Getting it ready for
its trip in the morning

to Dutchess Rec across
the river in Poughkeepsie.

We're going to assess
and appraise it,

I have to do a job in Millbrook,
and then I'm coming back later

on in the day to get the news.

If it's something I can
afford, and by that I mean

fit in the available
balance on my credit card

and pay my way out of it, then
I am going to hand the keys

over and get rid of my bike.

It's going to be a
very emotional moment.

I don't know if I'm ready for
it, but I've got to do it.

So there it is.

Hey, Steve.

STEVE: How you doing?

RYAN BLAKELY: Pretty good.

STEVE: So the original
offer was for $8,000.

There is some
cosmetic damage that

will need to be taken care of.

So ultimately, $7,000
for purchasing it

outright from you.

RYAN BLAKELY: If I had
to describe my feeling,

it would be like
somber and melancholy.

Now I don't have a bike, but
I also don't have $3,000.

TONYA RAPLEY: According
to the Ryan method,

he lost $3,000 today
because he had to pay

off the balance of his loan.

But in the math method, we
calculate the yearly cost

of the motorcycle including
payments and interest,

insurance, and gas and repairs,
which add up to around $4,200

a year.

Multiply that by the
life of the loan,

and we can see that
this $3,000 decision

will save Ryan almost $30,000
in the next seven years.

It's a big key turning
in the lock moment for me

when now I realize that,
yes, I spent money to get out

of the motorcycle,
but I'm saving

that money by not
making the payment,

not making the
insurance payment.

If anything, I'm making money.

When I came into this, I knew
that the technical definition

of buying a vehicle is
a depreciating asset,

but nonetheless an asset.

And now I don't even
look at it as that.

It's just a liability.

DAN ROSENSWEIG:
We have Ryan now.

Hey, Dan.

TONYA RAPLEY: Looks like you
got dressed for us today.

DAN ROSENSWEIG:
The beard's gone.

The hair's shorter.

You're wearing a jacket.

I know you're
dressing the part now.

The question is, did you
actually do the part?

TONYA RAPLEY: Thanks
to Ryan's garage sale

and landing a big
new project at work,

his income went up
to over $10,000.

By reducing spending
on his vehicle,

his expenses came
down to $7,700,

putting him almost
$2,500 in the black.

Turns out the math
method worked.

I'm net positive, so
that's a huge thing.

Thank you very much.

And tell us about
the Harley, sir.

So I was able to
actually sell my Harley.

That was a bit of
an emotional day.

[clapping] Thank you very much.

I have to say this call is
going a lot better than I--

I was nervous last night.

Ryan, what
happened to the boat?

So that was the whole
experience in and of itself.

I actually brought
it down to the river

and it started sinking.

Oh my gosh.

Ryan, this is a great
metaphor for where we started.

[laughter]

TONYA RAPLEY: By selling
his motorcycle and later

one of his trailers, an
extra car, and even the boat,

Ryan was able to reduce
his debt by $24,000.

Let's hope the truck is next.

There was a point
before I started

doing this where I was
seriously considering

buying an Aston Martin.

Like you can get a used
Aston Martin for like $40k.

I can get approved for that.

I was legitimately, like,
making that my summer goal.

But it dawned on me
today how worse off I

would have been if I had
not signed up for this,

and had met you
both, and been given

such an insightful experience.

So Ryan, if somebody
gave you money right now,

would you pay down debt with it?

Yeah.

You've done the
work, so we're going

to give you $1,000
that you can use

towards paying off that debt.

All right, my friend.

I am going to leave this call
feeling a level of confidence

that I wasn't sure
I was going to feel.

I have learned so much from
this experience, and I have--

have really taken
everything and-- everything

that you've said.

You just spoke
for the first time

like a real entrepreneurial CEO.

So now we know it's in you.

Yeah, we're proud of you.

All right, Ryan.

Good luck, my friend.

Very grateful
over here, as well.

DAN ROSENSWEIG: Don't buy stuff.

Do not buy stuff.

Let's spice these
mushrooms up a little bit.

Cactus dust barbecue rub.

Just a dash of the Everglades
heat, my favorite seasoning.

Umami seasoning blend.

Now I feel more
motivated than anything.

I want to be debt
free under a year,

and I want to go out
and make millions.

Oh my God, Ryan,
this is so delicious.

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