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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,410 --> 00:00:34,413 [Jeremy] I often wonder about the nature of reality. 2 00:00:34,448 --> 00:00:36,622 About our relationship to the creative force 3 00:00:36,657 --> 00:00:38,797 that forged the particles of our stars 4 00:00:38,831 --> 00:00:41,800 entwined them with the molecules of our bodies. 5 00:00:42,697 --> 00:00:43,940 Who are we? 6 00:00:43,974 --> 00:00:45,252 And where are we actually sitting 7 00:00:45,286 --> 00:00:47,978 within the architecture of our universe? 8 00:00:48,013 --> 00:00:49,359 Are we alone? 9 00:00:49,394 --> 00:00:52,397 Or is the answer simply stranger than we can think? 10 00:00:53,191 --> 00:00:55,503 My name is Jeremy Corbell. 11 00:00:55,538 --> 00:00:58,610 I seek to weaponize your curiosity. 12 00:00:58,644 --> 00:01:02,303 And if you're ready to suspend your own prejudice, 13 00:01:02,338 --> 00:01:05,858 welcome to the world of extraordinary beliefs. 14 00:02:12,718 --> 00:02:14,306 [Jeremy] Explosive stuff is coming out of here. 15 00:02:14,341 --> 00:02:15,894 Something's going on right now. 16 00:02:15,928 --> 00:02:17,447 Can you talk about that? 17 00:02:17,482 --> 00:02:19,139 If everything goes as planned, 18 00:02:19,173 --> 00:02:22,728 I think we are on the Eve of something momentous 19 00:02:22,763 --> 00:02:27,906 that will change, on a tectonic level, 20 00:02:27,940 --> 00:02:29,079 the UFO subject. 21 00:02:29,114 --> 00:02:30,495 [Jeremy] It's gonna be really big. 22 00:02:30,529 --> 00:02:34,188 I think it changes the tone of how other media would treat 23 00:02:34,223 --> 00:02:35,845 the UFO topic from here on now. 24 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:37,364 I hope so, anyway. 25 00:02:37,398 --> 00:02:40,090 And it's gonna reveal some things that have been going on 26 00:02:40,125 --> 00:02:41,264 for a long time. 27 00:02:41,299 --> 00:02:43,335 [Jeremy] Government involvement in studying 28 00:02:43,370 --> 00:02:45,372 the phenomenon itself. 29 00:02:45,406 --> 00:02:49,410 Yes, beyond just lights in the sky or radar returns, 30 00:02:49,445 --> 00:02:51,067 they've been investigating 31 00:02:51,101 --> 00:02:54,243 and looking into associated phenomenon. 32 00:02:54,277 --> 00:02:56,176 Things that occur in proximity 33 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:57,763 with, what we call, UFO. 34 00:02:57,798 --> 00:02:59,455 [Knapp] Things that you would think 35 00:02:59,489 --> 00:03:01,422 the government would find too far out. 36 00:03:01,457 --> 00:03:03,873 [Jeremy] Will any of the fingers be pointing toward 37 00:03:03,907 --> 00:03:05,357 Skinwalker Ranch? 38 00:03:12,261 --> 00:03:14,711 [Knapp] Hopefully, this opens it up. 39 00:03:15,471 --> 00:03:17,231 It changes everything. 40 00:03:18,370 --> 00:03:19,785 Declassified videos, 41 00:03:19,820 --> 00:03:21,684 authentic Department of Defense footage 42 00:03:21,718 --> 00:03:23,720 published by theNew York Times in December. 43 00:03:23,755 --> 00:03:26,275 [newscaster] The program received more than $20 million. 44 00:03:26,309 --> 00:03:27,931 for it's work. 45 00:03:29,243 --> 00:03:30,555 [man] For nearly the last decade, 46 00:03:30,589 --> 00:03:34,455 I ran a Sensitive Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 47 00:03:34,490 --> 00:03:37,251 People I think have conflated the concept of a UFO 48 00:03:37,286 --> 00:03:40,116 with whether we're visited by aliens. 49 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:41,531 [man] The program produced documents 50 00:03:41,566 --> 00:03:44,154 that describe sightings of aircrafts 51 00:03:44,189 --> 00:03:46,502 with no visible signs of propulsion. 52 00:03:46,536 --> 00:03:51,817 We're talking about unidentified flying objects, UFOs. 53 00:03:51,852 --> 00:03:54,337 [man] We have something here but don't know what it is. 54 00:03:54,372 --> 00:03:55,890 We sure don't know how it works 55 00:03:55,925 --> 00:03:58,583 and either way there's nothing we can do about it. 56 00:03:59,584 --> 00:04:01,068 Nobody gives a [beep] about aliens. 57 00:04:01,102 --> 00:04:05,245 Yeah. They're looking for things that might possibly be... 58 00:04:05,279 --> 00:04:09,145 [man] This is a potential threat and a grave one to our country. 59 00:04:09,179 --> 00:04:11,320 What is DOD doing about it? 60 00:04:11,354 --> 00:04:13,667 [man 2] The so called Tic Tac UFO 61 00:04:13,701 --> 00:04:17,222 was detected over several days in 2004 62 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:20,156 by personnel with the USS Nimitz battle group 63 00:04:20,190 --> 00:04:22,296 off the coast of San Diego. 64 00:04:22,331 --> 00:04:24,712 It didn't attack but it demonstrated 65 00:04:24,747 --> 00:04:29,890 vast superiority over America's most advanced defense systems. 66 00:04:29,924 --> 00:04:31,995 These observations match 67 00:04:32,030 --> 00:04:35,516 with previous observations going well before that. 68 00:04:35,551 --> 00:04:38,933 We have something coming into our airspace. 69 00:04:38,968 --> 00:04:41,384 When it continues to happen as a pattern, 70 00:04:41,419 --> 00:04:43,904 we know, become increasingly concerned. 71 00:04:43,938 --> 00:04:46,078 Because it's not an anomaly. No, it's a trend. 72 00:04:46,113 --> 00:04:51,394 This video was recorded off the coast of Florida in 2015. 73 00:04:51,429 --> 00:04:53,638 That is in our airspace. It shouldn't be here. 74 00:04:53,672 --> 00:04:58,263 You DOD, you CIA, you DHS, 75 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,783 had the responsibility of protecting us. 76 00:05:00,817 --> 00:05:02,232 How did this happen? 77 00:05:02,267 --> 00:05:03,337 And yet it's crickets. 78 00:05:03,372 --> 00:05:05,063 Nobody wants to have a conversation. 79 00:05:05,097 --> 00:05:07,962 My job in the government at the time, it was two fold. 80 00:05:07,997 --> 00:05:10,965 To determine what it was and how it worked. 81 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,830 But I figured if we can answer at least those two first things 82 00:05:13,865 --> 00:05:16,316 then every thing we would be able to explain later. 83 00:05:17,178 --> 00:05:18,732 The technology of these crafts 84 00:05:18,766 --> 00:05:21,597 is beyond anything known on Earth. 85 00:05:28,431 --> 00:05:31,123 [intense music playing] 86 00:05:35,852 --> 00:05:38,855 [Jeremy] This is the story of a place. 87 00:05:39,615 --> 00:05:41,548 It's been shrouded in secrecy 88 00:05:41,582 --> 00:05:43,584 for more than 20 years. 89 00:05:43,619 --> 00:05:45,103 There've been whispers, 90 00:05:45,137 --> 00:05:50,039 but most likely you've never seen or heard the real dance. 91 00:05:50,073 --> 00:05:53,560 I guarantee you that was the plan all along. 92 00:05:53,594 --> 00:05:56,045 That's exactly what they wanted. 93 00:05:57,702 --> 00:06:01,878 Imagine a place between shadow and substance. 94 00:06:01,913 --> 00:06:04,709 A place where the world is thin. 95 00:06:04,743 --> 00:06:07,677 To most, the location that invokes the darkest 96 00:06:07,712 --> 00:06:10,128 and most hidden corners of terror. 97 00:06:11,888 --> 00:06:15,754 Something prowls here, something lurks. 98 00:06:15,789 --> 00:06:19,033 And if you hunt it, it's gonna hunt you back. 99 00:06:21,173 --> 00:06:22,451 It's elusive, 100 00:06:23,106 --> 00:06:24,694 manipulative, 101 00:06:25,937 --> 00:06:27,007 and violent. 102 00:06:29,975 --> 00:06:32,771 It's haunting more than haunted. 103 00:06:33,496 --> 00:06:36,568 We don't really understand it. 104 00:06:36,603 --> 00:06:39,329 Even after the largest scale scientific study 105 00:06:39,364 --> 00:06:41,815 in history of the paranormal hotspot, 106 00:06:42,747 --> 00:06:45,439 there are more questions than answers. 107 00:06:47,579 --> 00:06:51,376 However, we do have some answers. 108 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:53,620 And that's what this story is about. 109 00:07:00,868 --> 00:07:02,042 This is a hunt. 110 00:07:02,076 --> 00:07:05,183 A hunt for answers to unformed questions. 111 00:07:06,011 --> 00:07:07,668 A hunt for the unknown. 112 00:07:08,842 --> 00:07:11,189 And the answers have been hiding at a ranch 113 00:07:11,223 --> 00:07:12,777 at the center of it all. 114 00:07:16,746 --> 00:07:20,716 I was like you until I wasn't. 115 00:07:31,796 --> 00:07:33,073 [Knapp] When you're trying 116 00:07:33,107 --> 00:07:35,696 to study something like the Skinwalker Ranch, 117 00:07:35,731 --> 00:07:37,698 you gotta cast a really wide neck 118 00:07:37,733 --> 00:07:40,011 Cause ultimately this mystery, 119 00:07:40,045 --> 00:07:41,840 we don't know what the hell it is. 120 00:07:50,124 --> 00:07:51,781 [Jeremy] We know there's more to a story 121 00:07:51,816 --> 00:07:53,403 when you are not allowed to talk about it. 122 00:07:53,438 --> 00:07:54,853 That's a human burden. 123 00:07:54,888 --> 00:07:57,097 [Knapp] Yeah, I mean it was frustrating in the beginning 124 00:07:57,131 --> 00:07:59,720 because Colm and Bob Bigelow would tell me the stories 125 00:07:59,755 --> 00:08:01,101 about what was going on in the property 126 00:08:01,135 --> 00:08:02,412 and I couldn't tell anyone. 127 00:08:02,447 --> 00:08:04,345 I couldn't write about it and it drove me crazy. 128 00:08:04,380 --> 00:08:05,588 And I kept pestering him 129 00:08:05,623 --> 00:08:07,038 and eventually, they thought, 130 00:08:07,072 --> 00:08:08,798 "What the heck? We'll give it a try. 131 00:08:08,833 --> 00:08:11,456 maybe we'll find out if there are other places like it. 132 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:12,837 The publicity will do us some good. 133 00:08:12,871 --> 00:08:14,839 Maybe some other witnesses will come forward." 134 00:08:14,873 --> 00:08:16,841 So, they allowed me to write those newspaper articles. 135 00:08:16,875 --> 00:08:19,119 And we got a heck of a lot of attention. 136 00:08:26,782 --> 00:08:30,440 [Jeremy] There's a lot. I'm covering all this, huh? 137 00:08:30,475 --> 00:08:32,753 [Knapp] Oh, my God. 138 00:08:32,788 --> 00:08:35,653 There's some of this stuff I haven't seen in a long time. 139 00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:38,345 [Jeremy] It's overwhelming. 140 00:08:38,379 --> 00:08:41,797 This is stuff, material that's specific to the ranch. 141 00:08:41,831 --> 00:08:44,662 I've saved every scrap of paper ever since 142 00:08:44,696 --> 00:08:47,009 Dr. Colm Kelleher and Bob Bigelow, sort of, 143 00:08:47,043 --> 00:08:49,667 brought me into the loop about what was going on there. 144 00:08:49,701 --> 00:08:51,600 I've been hearing about it for a couple of years 145 00:08:51,634 --> 00:08:52,877 but wasn't allowed to say anything 146 00:08:52,911 --> 00:08:55,569 and then eventually I talked to Bob Bigelow 147 00:08:55,604 --> 00:08:57,571 to give me the permission to go to the ranch 148 00:08:57,606 --> 00:09:00,263 and Colm Kelleher gave me a tour. 149 00:09:00,298 --> 00:09:01,679 A couple of times. 150 00:09:01,713 --> 00:09:04,785 And people forget, you know, they're familiar with the book 151 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:08,789 but they forget that my interest in it started this documentary. 152 00:09:08,824 --> 00:09:10,619 [Jeremy] Plenty of fresh book reviews. 153 00:09:10,653 --> 00:09:12,931 [Knapp] Yeah. 154 00:09:12,966 --> 00:09:16,590 Like a mustachioed and debonair Fox Mulder. 155 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:19,593 George Knapp wants to believe. So do I actually." 156 00:09:19,628 --> 00:09:21,491 We got that reaction a lot. 157 00:09:21,526 --> 00:09:23,424 "You guys didn't convince me." 158 00:09:23,459 --> 00:09:24,667 Convince you of what? 159 00:09:24,702 --> 00:09:25,944 We weren't trying to convince anyone. 160 00:09:25,979 --> 00:09:28,498 We're trying to tell the story and asking people, 161 00:09:28,533 --> 00:09:29,810 "Hey, help us figure this out." 162 00:09:29,845 --> 00:09:31,605 'Cause we don't know what their explanation is. 163 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,503 [Jeremy] Is there more to tell now? 164 00:09:33,538 --> 00:09:35,333 [Knapp] There's a lot more to tell. 165 00:09:35,367 --> 00:09:37,715 There's so many things that have happened on the property 166 00:09:37,749 --> 00:09:40,752 since the book came out that have not been made public. 167 00:09:40,787 --> 00:09:42,616 There's all kinds of people, hundreds of people 168 00:09:42,651 --> 00:09:43,962 who have visited the property. 169 00:09:43,997 --> 00:09:45,585 And it's like a Rorschach test. 170 00:09:45,619 --> 00:09:46,896 They go there thinking they're 171 00:09:46,931 --> 00:09:49,174 gonna see Skinwalkers or Bigfoot 172 00:09:49,209 --> 00:09:50,520 and sure enough they do. 173 00:09:50,555 --> 00:09:52,315 So, you take those accounts with a grain of salt. 174 00:09:52,350 --> 00:09:55,698 Other times, people have had some pretty dramatic encounters 175 00:09:55,733 --> 00:09:57,527 that they keep to themselves. 176 00:09:57,562 --> 00:10:00,565 And some accounts have happened 177 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,878 to people who are very credible, 178 00:10:02,912 --> 00:10:05,018 who had very dramatic encounters 179 00:10:05,052 --> 00:10:06,916 and their stories have not been told 180 00:10:06,951 --> 00:10:08,884 for reasons that I cannot explain right now. 181 00:10:08,918 --> 00:10:13,543 But, um, those are the spookiest of all 182 00:10:13,578 --> 00:10:16,857 because the consequences go beyond the property. 183 00:10:16,892 --> 00:10:18,618 [Jeremy] You could explain. 184 00:10:19,549 --> 00:10:20,654 You won't explain. 185 00:10:20,689 --> 00:10:24,313 I, I can't. I can't at this point. 186 00:10:24,347 --> 00:10:28,524 It leads to a much bigger place and a much bigger understanding 187 00:10:28,558 --> 00:10:30,284 of what we're dealing Without there. 188 00:10:30,319 --> 00:10:32,286 It's not simply a haunted ranch. 189 00:10:32,321 --> 00:10:34,012 It's not an activity that stays 190 00:10:34,047 --> 00:10:37,257 confined to this particular piece of property. 191 00:10:37,291 --> 00:10:39,639 It moves. It travels. 192 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:41,606 [Jeremy] And there were actual events? 193 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:44,436 Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't remember 194 00:10:44,471 --> 00:10:46,576 if we talked about it in the book 195 00:10:46,611 --> 00:10:49,441 but the family, the Gorman family, 196 00:10:49,476 --> 00:10:51,098 had experiences that followed them. 197 00:10:51,133 --> 00:10:54,067 After they left the property it followed them for a while. 198 00:10:54,999 --> 00:10:56,656 They're not the only ones that's happened to. 199 00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:58,036 Since the book came out, 200 00:10:58,071 --> 00:11:01,039 there have been other people who've been on the property. 201 00:11:01,074 --> 00:11:02,800 They've seen stuff on the property. 202 00:11:02,834 --> 00:11:05,699 They've had encounters where they were, basically told, 203 00:11:05,734 --> 00:11:07,908 "Stop. You're not welcome here." 204 00:11:07,943 --> 00:11:10,152 And then, it followed them. 205 00:11:10,186 --> 00:11:12,050 And that's all I can say about it. 206 00:11:15,605 --> 00:11:18,885 It's hard to find anybody in the Uintah Basin 207 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:21,025 who doesn't have some kind of an experience 208 00:11:21,059 --> 00:11:24,684 with the UFO or Bigfoot or some other strange phenomenon 209 00:11:24,718 --> 00:11:26,030 or somebody in their family. 210 00:11:26,064 --> 00:11:28,204 So, we recorded a lot of that stuff on multiple trips. 211 00:11:28,239 --> 00:11:31,380 That footage was recorded on different kinds of formats. 212 00:11:31,414 --> 00:11:32,692 We collected information 213 00:11:32,726 --> 00:11:34,659 and tapes from some of the witnesses 214 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,247 who had made their own recordings 215 00:11:36,281 --> 00:11:38,767 and all of that material was saved with the idea 216 00:11:38,801 --> 00:11:41,286 of producing a documentary or a series of documentaries 217 00:11:41,321 --> 00:11:44,117 and then, we were asked to not proceed. 218 00:11:44,151 --> 00:11:47,879 So, I basically canned it. Put it all in a box. 219 00:11:47,914 --> 00:11:50,330 Most of the footage has never seen the light of day. 220 00:11:50,364 --> 00:11:52,608 [Jeremy] That's a mountain of tapes. What's on these tapes? 221 00:11:52,642 --> 00:11:54,748 [Knapp] These are interviews we did. 222 00:11:54,783 --> 00:11:57,958 We had tours of the property several times. 223 00:11:57,993 --> 00:12:00,858 Robert Bigelow comments about the ranch, 224 00:12:00,892 --> 00:12:02,238 cattle mutilations, 225 00:12:02,273 --> 00:12:06,380 interviews with neighbors who had lost cattle. 226 00:12:06,415 --> 00:12:09,556 [shuffling tapes] 227 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:11,661 [Knapp] Trying to get Mr. Bigelow to go on camera 228 00:12:11,696 --> 00:12:13,180 to talk about it was difficult. 229 00:12:13,215 --> 00:12:15,458 At the time I thought they got him to sit down 230 00:12:15,493 --> 00:12:16,494 and open up about it. 231 00:12:16,528 --> 00:12:17,633 It was the first interview 232 00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:18,841 he had ever done on the subject. 233 00:12:18,876 --> 00:12:20,740 Eventhough I had known him for 20 years 234 00:12:20,774 --> 00:12:22,465 it was really tough to get him sit down 235 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:23,777 and talk about it. 236 00:12:23,812 --> 00:12:28,782 [Jeremy] So most of this video footage in this box 237 00:12:28,817 --> 00:12:30,370 the world has never seen? 238 00:12:30,404 --> 00:12:33,822 [Knapp] Yeah. This is 30 or 40 hours of material 239 00:12:33,856 --> 00:12:36,169 that the public has never seen before. 240 00:12:43,107 --> 00:12:45,005 [Jeremy] This topic is deep. 241 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,042 It requires serious investigation. 242 00:12:47,076 --> 00:12:50,114 It requires people to look at the evidence. 243 00:12:51,184 --> 00:12:55,429 My curiosity became so overwhelming 244 00:12:55,464 --> 00:12:58,398 that I could no longer be a passive observer 245 00:12:58,432 --> 00:13:00,814 but I had to become an active participant. 246 00:13:00,849 --> 00:13:03,610 The original story never seen by the public 247 00:13:03,644 --> 00:13:04,749 can now be told. 248 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:06,751 And it's weaved into a tapestry 249 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:09,927 of new ongoing phenomenon and events. 250 00:13:09,961 --> 00:13:12,999 This is a moment in time that can't be replicated. 251 00:13:13,033 --> 00:13:14,448 This will never happen again. 252 00:13:14,483 --> 00:13:17,969 The access to the ranch during the investigations 253 00:13:18,004 --> 00:13:19,488 that will never happen again. 254 00:13:19,522 --> 00:13:23,457 The time is right and the time is definitely now. 255 00:13:23,492 --> 00:13:29,015 Notoriety of Skinwalker ranch exploded in 2005 256 00:13:29,049 --> 00:13:31,776 with the publication of the book 257 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:34,123 Hunt for the Skinwalker which was written by 258 00:13:34,158 --> 00:13:35,987 George Knapp and Colm Kelleher. 259 00:13:36,022 --> 00:13:40,164 That book exploded this area on to the map. 260 00:13:40,198 --> 00:13:44,030 George's documentation was exclusive. 261 00:13:44,064 --> 00:13:46,549 It was happening while investigators were on the ranch. 262 00:13:46,584 --> 00:13:50,657 I mean, there are no images from Skinwalker ranch. 263 00:13:50,691 --> 00:13:51,865 There's no video. 264 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:54,005 There's no footage during these investigations. 265 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,179 The only footage of this 266 00:13:55,213 --> 00:13:57,491 is in these archived boxes of George Knapp. 267 00:13:57,526 --> 00:14:00,149 It was like Raiders of the Lost Ark,man. 268 00:14:00,184 --> 00:14:03,118 Documents, and paperwork and footage, it's everything 269 00:14:03,152 --> 00:14:05,361 that George Knapp has accumulated 270 00:14:05,396 --> 00:14:06,190 over 20 something years. 271 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:08,330 He's the only journalist ever 272 00:14:08,364 --> 00:14:11,229 allowed to be on the ranch and to document and film. 273 00:14:11,264 --> 00:14:13,093 So, it's this incredible opportunity. 274 00:14:13,128 --> 00:14:15,371 The footage was held back. It was embargoed. 275 00:14:15,406 --> 00:14:18,927 It was shut off. So to be able to pull tapes 276 00:14:18,961 --> 00:14:21,067 from that archive of those boxes, 277 00:14:21,101 --> 00:14:23,828 it's really rare footage. 278 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,969 It's incredible that we are at the point 279 00:14:27,004 --> 00:14:28,660 where it can be shown to the public. 280 00:14:30,007 --> 00:14:34,804 Skinwalker ranch, this is like the Area 51 281 00:14:34,839 --> 00:14:36,116 of the paranormal. 282 00:14:36,151 --> 00:14:38,394 If any of this is true, 283 00:14:38,429 --> 00:14:41,259 this is game changing. 284 00:14:41,294 --> 00:14:42,916 Go public now. 285 00:14:54,548 --> 00:14:56,930 So this is officially the second homestead 286 00:14:56,965 --> 00:14:59,174 Down here, yes, the middle homestead 287 00:15:06,077 --> 00:15:08,908 This is where this pretty hairy stuff has happened. 288 00:15:13,429 --> 00:15:14,948 [narrator] In the middle of the night, 289 00:15:14,983 --> 00:15:17,537 in what looks like the middle of nowhere, 290 00:15:17,571 --> 00:15:19,711 we slice into inky darkness 291 00:15:19,746 --> 00:15:21,196 in the company of investigators 292 00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:24,716 who've taken a bouncy ride down the same rugged road 293 00:15:24,751 --> 00:15:26,235 hundreds of times. 294 00:15:26,270 --> 00:15:28,720 They remember every barbed wire gate, 295 00:15:28,755 --> 00:15:30,757 every curve and dip 296 00:15:30,791 --> 00:15:32,517 and they remember, all too well, 297 00:15:32,552 --> 00:15:35,210 the location of every bizarre encounter 298 00:15:35,244 --> 00:15:38,144 they've documented since 1996. 299 00:15:38,178 --> 00:15:41,181 The dirt trail is the only path through the property. 300 00:15:41,216 --> 00:15:45,047 Seemingly, the only way anyone or anything 301 00:15:45,082 --> 00:15:46,497 can get in or out. 302 00:15:46,531 --> 00:15:49,638 Though there maybe other less obvious points of entry, 303 00:15:49,672 --> 00:15:53,435 on moonless nights, the darkness hangs like a heavy blanket 304 00:15:53,469 --> 00:15:55,747 smothering beams of artificial light. 305 00:15:55,782 --> 00:15:59,510 Beyond 20 feet, it's blackness. 306 00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:02,237 We stop at what's called the middle homestead, 307 00:16:02,271 --> 00:16:05,240 where the gangly branches of towering cottonwoods 308 00:16:05,274 --> 00:16:08,208 engulf stark weather beaten structures. 309 00:16:08,243 --> 00:16:09,796 Rustic homes that have been empty 310 00:16:09,830 --> 00:16:12,005 for 50 years or more. 311 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,834 Seriously, it's like the backdrop 312 00:16:13,869 --> 00:16:15,181 for a slasher movie 313 00:16:15,215 --> 00:16:17,769 except this wasn't created by a set designer. 314 00:16:17,804 --> 00:16:21,497 This is the throbbing heart of Skinwalker ranch. 315 00:16:23,258 --> 00:16:25,432 What is it about this place? 316 00:16:25,467 --> 00:16:29,781 Not merely the ranch but the entire Uintah Basin. 317 00:16:29,816 --> 00:16:31,645 It is a grand central station. 318 00:16:32,681 --> 00:16:35,132 A place where everything from cattle mutilations 319 00:16:35,166 --> 00:16:39,412 to Bigfoot to UFOs, flying objects, 320 00:16:39,446 --> 00:16:41,207 they all seem to be congregated 321 00:16:41,241 --> 00:16:44,831 on a 480 acre ranch in north-eastern Utah. 322 00:16:44,865 --> 00:16:46,833 [man] A lot of people, we understand, 323 00:16:46,867 --> 00:16:49,284 have seen these things over the years in this area. 324 00:16:49,318 --> 00:16:50,940 -Is that fair to say? -Uh... 325 00:16:50,975 --> 00:16:54,634 Hundreds, hundreds of people, in my opinion. 326 00:16:54,668 --> 00:16:58,534 I had some girlfriends that I kinda ran around with 327 00:16:58,569 --> 00:17:01,192 back in '77, '78 and 328 00:17:01,227 --> 00:17:04,471 they told me experiences that happened out by Bottle Hollow. 329 00:17:05,507 --> 00:17:08,786 Lights that... forms that'll be above them 330 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:10,063 and they were scared. 331 00:17:10,098 --> 00:17:12,962 At the ranch, as you all know, 332 00:17:12,997 --> 00:17:15,103 it was not a single phenomenon. 333 00:17:15,137 --> 00:17:17,208 It was not go out and watch a UFO. 334 00:17:17,243 --> 00:17:18,416 Go out and watch, uh, you know, 335 00:17:18,451 --> 00:17:21,764 the lights, like the Mur full lights or something 336 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:24,526 [John] There were a host of things that happened. 337 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,908 When and where were quite unpredictable 338 00:17:27,943 --> 00:17:29,255 except that they happened within a 339 00:17:29,289 --> 00:17:31,947 relatively small geographic area. 340 00:17:31,981 --> 00:17:36,124 [man] The UFO manifestation activity here 341 00:17:36,158 --> 00:17:38,574 ranges all over this country its... 342 00:17:38,609 --> 00:17:39,541 The basin is a very, 343 00:17:39,575 --> 00:17:41,025 I don't know what the square mileage is 344 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:44,339 but it's huge in northeastern Utah, 345 00:17:44,373 --> 00:17:47,411 and to the Uinta mountains to the north of us. 346 00:17:47,445 --> 00:17:50,241 The same type of paranormal activity 347 00:17:50,276 --> 00:17:53,382 is demonstrated in many case histories up there as well. 348 00:17:56,282 --> 00:17:58,007 [narrator] For as long as humans have lived 349 00:17:58,042 --> 00:17:59,664 in this part of northeastern Utah, 350 00:17:59,699 --> 00:18:02,702 they reported strange things in the sky, 351 00:18:02,736 --> 00:18:04,290 in and around their homes, 352 00:18:04,324 --> 00:18:06,464 and sometimes, inside their heads. 353 00:18:06,499 --> 00:18:09,916 A byzantine smattering of unusual phenomena. 354 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:11,435 A paranormal stew. 355 00:18:11,469 --> 00:18:13,333 It's as if some other reality 356 00:18:13,368 --> 00:18:15,818 occasionally bleeds into our world 357 00:18:15,853 --> 00:18:19,098 giving us glimpses of the Universe next door. 358 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,241 On our first visit to the ranch, 359 00:18:24,275 --> 00:18:26,864 we tried to get the attention of whatever it is 360 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:28,279 that lives here. 361 00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:30,695 Sometimes, merely the arrival of outsiders is enough. 362 00:18:30,730 --> 00:18:34,423 So, we hiked around, made noise, disturbed the earth. 363 00:18:37,323 --> 00:18:39,014 And at night, we built a fire 364 00:18:39,048 --> 00:18:40,291 out in the middle homestead 365 00:18:40,326 --> 00:18:41,637 which has been a focal point 366 00:18:41,672 --> 00:18:43,881 of dramatic and unexplained events. 367 00:18:43,915 --> 00:18:46,366 We did everything short of painting a bull's eye 368 00:18:46,401 --> 00:18:49,024 on our foreheads and then, we waited. 369 00:18:49,058 --> 00:18:50,267 On the other side of the fire, 370 00:18:50,301 --> 00:18:51,923 a man who spent 27 years 371 00:18:51,958 --> 00:18:54,719 as a law enforcement officer in the Uintah Basin 372 00:18:54,754 --> 00:18:57,170 he asked that we not use his real name. 373 00:18:57,205 --> 00:18:58,930 So, we'll call him Preston. 374 00:18:58,965 --> 00:19:01,692 [Preston] There was one of the local newspapers who did a... 375 00:19:01,726 --> 00:19:04,212 I guess you should call like a poll in this area. 376 00:19:05,282 --> 00:19:08,940 Asked several people the question that 377 00:19:08,975 --> 00:19:11,702 do you believe that there are... 378 00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:14,118 in UFOs 379 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:18,087 and we believe that the Uintah Basin is a hotspot for it. 380 00:19:18,122 --> 00:19:21,677 And, it was like four out of five, 381 00:19:22,368 --> 00:19:23,610 the answer was yes. 382 00:19:24,818 --> 00:19:29,133 And the majority of them said that they was undecided. 383 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,859 I don't know one individual 384 00:19:30,893 --> 00:19:34,000 that absolutely said, "No, I do not believe them. 385 00:19:34,034 --> 00:19:36,347 Or that they even exist." 386 00:19:36,382 --> 00:19:39,385 And I'm referring to long time residents 387 00:19:39,419 --> 00:19:40,696 of the Basin that had... 388 00:19:40,731 --> 00:19:42,836 That was born and raised here in the Basin. 389 00:19:42,871 --> 00:19:45,632 [narrator] Preston remembers when the waves of reports 390 00:19:45,667 --> 00:19:47,945 started pouring in to local police. 391 00:19:47,979 --> 00:19:52,294 I think it was 1971, when I first started in law enforcement. 392 00:19:52,329 --> 00:19:57,506 There were several reports of UFO sightings 393 00:19:58,335 --> 00:20:00,371 that was put out to 394 00:20:00,406 --> 00:20:02,615 like law enforcement officers in the field. 395 00:20:02,649 --> 00:20:05,928 As I recall, there was three to four of those reports 396 00:20:05,963 --> 00:20:08,379 that I received where I actually witnessed it 397 00:20:08,414 --> 00:20:13,281 what I believed to be an unidentified flying object. 398 00:20:13,315 --> 00:20:15,421 [narrator] His wife also had multiple sightings. 399 00:20:15,455 --> 00:20:18,251 One that coincided with a mutilated cow 400 00:20:18,286 --> 00:20:19,804 on Preston's property. 401 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:21,979 And another, in 1995, 402 00:20:22,013 --> 00:20:24,153 directly over Skinwalker ranch. 403 00:20:24,188 --> 00:20:26,673 Preston interviewed his own wife in 1998 404 00:20:26,708 --> 00:20:29,573 and wrote this report for a private research group. 405 00:20:29,607 --> 00:20:32,576 The object his wife reported was shaped like a hexagon. 406 00:20:32,610 --> 00:20:35,061 Aluminum colored with multiple lights. 407 00:20:35,095 --> 00:20:39,341 What she described was four lights like connected to a bar. 408 00:20:40,618 --> 00:20:42,931 They were just four large lights 409 00:20:42,965 --> 00:20:45,727 that appeared over the ridge 410 00:20:45,761 --> 00:20:50,594 and I was some distance away from her when she'd seen it. 411 00:20:50,628 --> 00:20:51,940 She called it to my attention. 412 00:20:51,974 --> 00:20:54,908 But before I could get there, they had disappeared. 413 00:20:54,943 --> 00:20:58,360 [man] This is probably the most studied real estate 414 00:20:58,395 --> 00:21:01,260 in the history of the UFO phenomenon. 415 00:21:01,294 --> 00:21:03,917 There has never been, to our knowledge, 416 00:21:03,952 --> 00:21:07,369 a place that has had the same kind of focus 417 00:21:07,404 --> 00:21:09,371 in terms of studying. 418 00:21:12,719 --> 00:21:15,308 [narrator] Uintah Basin isn't the middle of nowhere. 419 00:21:15,343 --> 00:21:17,137 It's far removed from big cities 420 00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:18,484 but that's how the locals like it. 421 00:21:18,518 --> 00:21:20,796 The landscape is stark and beautiful. 422 00:21:20,831 --> 00:21:23,799 The dirt and rocks rich in hydro carbons 423 00:21:23,834 --> 00:21:25,318 and dinosaur bones. 424 00:21:25,353 --> 00:21:28,528 But something here seems to be a magnet for the unknown. 425 00:21:28,563 --> 00:21:31,393 It's been that way for a long time. 426 00:21:31,428 --> 00:21:34,396 In the Uintah Basin unknown aerial objects 427 00:21:34,431 --> 00:21:37,468 became so commonplace in the '60s and '70s 428 00:21:37,503 --> 00:21:39,367 that locals became used to seeing them. 429 00:21:39,401 --> 00:21:42,335 And outside investigators were drawn to the area. 430 00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:46,443 One of them, Utah State University scientist Dr. Frank Salisbury 431 00:21:46,477 --> 00:21:48,893 wrote a highly regarded book, 432 00:21:48,928 --> 00:21:50,895 The Utah UFO Display. 433 00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:53,691 After reading out that 90 percent of sightings 434 00:21:53,726 --> 00:21:55,866 which were likely misidentifications 435 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:57,385 of known objects, 436 00:21:57,419 --> 00:21:59,904 he focused on four hundred or so 437 00:21:59,939 --> 00:22:01,354 well documented cases 438 00:22:01,389 --> 00:22:03,908 involving unknown structured craft 439 00:22:03,943 --> 00:22:05,600 of many shapes and sizes. 440 00:22:05,634 --> 00:22:07,740 Salisbury obtained most of the case files 441 00:22:07,774 --> 00:22:11,053 from life long resident Joseph Junior Hicks, 442 00:22:11,088 --> 00:22:12,434 a local science teacher 443 00:22:12,469 --> 00:22:15,679 who had educated generations of Uintah residents. 444 00:22:15,713 --> 00:22:18,854 Hicks spent years driving the back roads of the Basin 445 00:22:18,889 --> 00:22:20,960 to meet and interview eye witnesses. 446 00:22:20,994 --> 00:22:22,962 Many of them were his former students. 447 00:22:22,996 --> 00:22:26,655 And I said, "Can you see that? Look at that. That's amazing." 448 00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:33,973 It was a round gray metallic looking thing. 449 00:22:34,007 --> 00:22:35,630 [narrator] In January 1999, 450 00:22:35,664 --> 00:22:38,080 an oil company executive Gregory Todd 451 00:22:38,115 --> 00:22:39,288 was driving home from work 452 00:22:39,323 --> 00:22:41,429 talking on the phone to a co-worker 453 00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:43,223 headed in the opposite direction 454 00:22:43,258 --> 00:22:44,397 for the town of Vernal. 455 00:22:44,432 --> 00:22:47,331 Todd noticed an object that looked like this. 456 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,264 Roundish, gray, metallic 457 00:22:49,298 --> 00:22:50,886 with no wings or tail 458 00:22:50,921 --> 00:22:54,407 traveling at a high rate of speed toward the ground. 459 00:22:54,442 --> 00:22:55,995 And I say, "This is amazing." 460 00:22:56,029 --> 00:23:00,724 And it came down and went behind some clouds 461 00:23:00,758 --> 00:23:03,382 that were just kind of on the horizon. 462 00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:05,660 I said, "That had to be humongous." 463 00:23:05,694 --> 00:23:09,284 Then I thought, "Okay, explosion. Something." you know. 464 00:23:09,318 --> 00:23:10,699 And I never did. There was nothing. 465 00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:13,530 [narrator] The next day he spoke to a group of friends. 466 00:23:13,564 --> 00:23:15,946 And I said, "Okay, guys. I'm gonna ask you something. 467 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:18,397 Did you guys see something weird last night?" 468 00:23:18,431 --> 00:23:19,570 And they just happen to be 469 00:23:19,605 --> 00:23:21,917 coming down the Bluebell Road facing south. 470 00:23:21,952 --> 00:23:24,368 And they say, "Yeah, we saw this round thing." 471 00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:26,197 You know, and it wasn't even a big deal to them. 472 00:23:26,232 --> 00:23:28,924 It's like, "Yeah, we just saw this round thing in the sky." 473 00:23:28,959 --> 00:23:33,481 I thought, "Well, you know, think about it." 474 00:23:33,515 --> 00:23:35,517 You know, and I said, then I said, 475 00:23:35,552 --> 00:23:37,001 "Okay, that thing is big. 476 00:23:37,036 --> 00:23:39,797 That was big. Whatever it was, it was big." 477 00:23:39,832 --> 00:23:42,628 Cause Bluebell's 20 miles away. 478 00:23:42,662 --> 00:23:45,354 I was five miles away from Roseville. 479 00:23:45,389 --> 00:23:47,702 And three different groups saw it. 480 00:23:47,736 --> 00:23:49,289 [narrator] Few places in the world have had 481 00:23:49,324 --> 00:23:50,567 so many sightings over 482 00:23:50,601 --> 00:23:52,534 such a long period of time. 483 00:23:52,569 --> 00:23:54,536 Not just decades but centuries. 484 00:23:54,571 --> 00:23:55,951 The earliest report is from 485 00:23:55,986 --> 00:23:57,884 the journal of Father Escalante, 486 00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:00,922 the Spanish missionary who in 1776 487 00:24:00,956 --> 00:24:04,132 led the first European party across the Basin. 488 00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:07,480 But Uintah is much more than a UFO hotspot. 489 00:24:07,515 --> 00:24:09,240 The objects seen in the skies 490 00:24:09,275 --> 00:24:10,897 are benign distractions 491 00:24:10,932 --> 00:24:13,486 compared to the bizarre events on the ground. 492 00:24:13,521 --> 00:24:16,593 In particular, on this strip of green pasture 493 00:24:16,627 --> 00:24:19,354 that's said to be in the path of the Skinwalker. 494 00:24:19,388 --> 00:24:20,424 [Preston] They believed that, 495 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,530 like you talk about the Skinwalker, 496 00:24:22,564 --> 00:24:26,741 is extra terrestrial. 497 00:24:26,775 --> 00:24:29,157 This is something that's in their culture. 498 00:24:29,191 --> 00:24:32,194 It has been forever. 499 00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:42,998 [Jeremy] But this story is bigger than just the ranch. 500 00:24:43,033 --> 00:24:45,691 This story is an ever pervasive river 501 00:24:45,725 --> 00:24:47,382 churning and leeching 502 00:24:47,416 --> 00:24:49,349 seemingly paranormal ooze 503 00:24:49,384 --> 00:24:50,972 throughout the surrounding area. 504 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,217 It creeps to the edges. 505 00:24:55,252 --> 00:24:58,427 If there is an unofficial UFO capital in Utah, 506 00:24:58,462 --> 00:25:00,222 it's the northeastern corner. 507 00:25:01,638 --> 00:25:03,018 Quietly and secretly 508 00:25:03,053 --> 00:25:05,883 there's been a current that runs through this area. 509 00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:11,475 Throw a rock in any direction 510 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:14,271 in the small town of the Uintah Basin 511 00:25:14,305 --> 00:25:16,480 and you're likely to hit someone who's seen 512 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:18,620 anomalous aerial object. 513 00:25:19,552 --> 00:25:21,899 The Basin is a UFO hotbed. 514 00:25:21,934 --> 00:25:25,593 The locals are reluctant to talk about it with outsiders. 515 00:25:25,627 --> 00:25:27,491 But the number of sightings 516 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,735 easily ranges in the thousands 517 00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:32,634 The artificial consensus 518 00:25:32,669 --> 00:25:34,567 is that more than half of the people 519 00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:37,121 who live in the Basin have seen them 520 00:25:37,156 --> 00:25:39,883 over the mountains, above the towns, 521 00:25:39,917 --> 00:25:42,126 on roadways and oil fields. 522 00:25:42,161 --> 00:25:45,544 Anomalous lights, manoevuring orbs, 523 00:25:45,578 --> 00:25:47,200 and metallic crafts. 524 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,180 Objects, things, which are not easily explained. 525 00:26:01,214 --> 00:26:03,803 Why so many and why here? 526 00:26:05,494 --> 00:26:08,636 Roosevelt, Ballard, Fort Duchesne, 527 00:26:09,188 --> 00:26:10,361 Uintah County. 528 00:26:11,604 --> 00:26:13,675 For some the phenomenon provides 529 00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:15,850 a Mecca for curiosity. 530 00:26:15,884 --> 00:26:18,093 But for those that experience it, 531 00:26:18,646 --> 00:26:20,026 it's corrosive. 532 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,684 Like an acid. 533 00:26:22,719 --> 00:26:24,790 And it's been here a long time. 534 00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:29,277 Stories of UFOs, poltergeist like occurrences 535 00:26:29,311 --> 00:26:31,244 and creatures of all kinds 536 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:32,763 have popped the landscape 537 00:26:32,798 --> 00:26:35,386 and residents throughout generations. 538 00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:41,772 Normal people, hardworking people, 539 00:26:41,807 --> 00:26:43,843 they're having extraordinary encounters 540 00:26:43,878 --> 00:26:46,259 of every shape and shadow. 541 00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:52,680 It's just part of life out here. 542 00:27:01,758 --> 00:27:03,414 [background music playing] 543 00:27:08,868 --> 00:27:10,663 [man] We purchased the property 544 00:27:10,698 --> 00:27:12,492 as a living laboratory. 545 00:27:12,527 --> 00:27:14,978 It's been a phenomenal laboratory. 546 00:27:15,012 --> 00:27:17,705 I feel humbled. We did get a good education. 547 00:27:17,739 --> 00:27:20,155 and I think we're still learning. 548 00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:23,020 [narrator] The NIDS guys used dogs as biosensors. 549 00:27:23,055 --> 00:27:24,746 The dogs would be able to sense 550 00:27:24,781 --> 00:27:27,680 that something was near and give them advanced warning. 551 00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:30,062 They were uncannily accurate. 552 00:27:30,096 --> 00:27:31,960 It's close to a hundred different incidents. 553 00:27:31,995 --> 00:27:34,756 We've trained like hell to deal with this. 554 00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:36,655 Animal mutilations, 555 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:39,692 red lights in the sky, animals being moved 556 00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:41,211 into different locations. 557 00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:44,524 No two incidents ever repeated themselves. 558 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,011 Training is meaningless and nothing was repeated. 559 00:27:48,045 --> 00:27:50,703 And that has happened consistently. 560 00:27:50,738 --> 00:27:52,360 It's still consistent. 561 00:27:52,394 --> 00:27:55,881 This is a lot more than a human story, if you learn. 562 00:27:55,915 --> 00:27:58,746 Consciousness plays a significant role 563 00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:00,195 in this topic. 564 00:28:00,230 --> 00:28:02,094 It's something that's completely 565 00:28:02,128 --> 00:28:04,717 outside of our normal physics 566 00:28:04,752 --> 00:28:05,787 and understanding. 567 00:28:05,822 --> 00:28:07,375 This is something that is 568 00:28:07,409 --> 00:28:10,378 beyond our normal means of calibrating. 569 00:28:10,412 --> 00:28:13,415 It became obvious that we were along for the run 570 00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:15,141 and not the ones in control. 571 00:28:21,907 --> 00:28:25,255 [interviewer] Did you have an experience on the ranch? 572 00:28:25,289 --> 00:28:28,568 My first visit there, it had been a down period. 573 00:28:28,603 --> 00:28:29,846 Colm Kelleher told me, 574 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,331 "Look, the activity is, sort of, gone underground." 575 00:28:32,365 --> 00:28:33,850 That's why I was allowed to go. 576 00:28:33,884 --> 00:28:36,059 Because, maybe, they'd figured I can... 577 00:28:36,093 --> 00:28:38,302 My own inherent weirdness quotient 578 00:28:38,337 --> 00:28:39,752 I can stir something up 579 00:28:39,787 --> 00:28:41,305 or I can, at least, 580 00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:43,687 tell the world a little bit about the stories. 581 00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:44,757 So, that we can find out 582 00:28:44,792 --> 00:28:46,000 if there are other places like that. 583 00:28:46,034 --> 00:28:47,795 So, I went to the property 584 00:28:47,829 --> 00:28:50,659 and there was a couple of things that would happen 585 00:28:50,694 --> 00:28:52,144 that would stimulate activity. 586 00:28:52,178 --> 00:28:54,525 Historically, there's an arrival of a stranger. 587 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,526 That was me. 588 00:28:55,561 --> 00:28:57,149 If you make a bunch of noise, 589 00:28:57,183 --> 00:29:00,393 in particular, digging up the earth. 590 00:29:01,809 --> 00:29:02,879 So, we did all that. 591 00:29:02,913 --> 00:29:04,535 We, you know, I made a bunch of noise. 592 00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:05,951 We built a fire out there. 593 00:29:05,985 --> 00:29:07,021 We danced around it. 594 00:29:07,055 --> 00:29:08,885 And then we got an earth mover 595 00:29:08,919 --> 00:29:10,334 and dug a bunch of holes. 596 00:29:10,369 --> 00:29:12,647 So, if there was something to be disturbed, 597 00:29:12,681 --> 00:29:14,235 we did our best to disturb it. 598 00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:16,789 And then they took me and put me on a chair 599 00:29:16,824 --> 00:29:18,342 in the middle homestead 600 00:29:18,377 --> 00:29:20,482 where some really bad stuff had happened. 601 00:29:20,517 --> 00:29:21,863 And they left me there. 602 00:29:21,898 --> 00:29:26,281 It was a pitch black middle of the night, middle of nowhere, 603 00:29:26,316 --> 00:29:29,768 at a place that where the monster, 604 00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:32,598 the predator type of monster had appeared, 605 00:29:32,632 --> 00:29:36,636 where giant dark cloud had invaded a physicist mind, 606 00:29:36,671 --> 00:29:38,811 where several cattle had been mutilated, 607 00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:39,916 where a ball of light 608 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,573 to a dimentional warmhole had appeared. 609 00:29:42,608 --> 00:29:43,851 I'm right there. 610 00:29:43,885 --> 00:29:45,231 And they said, "See ya." 611 00:29:45,266 --> 00:29:46,750 And they went a couple of hundred yards away 612 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,857 and put a camera on me to see if something came and got me. 613 00:29:49,891 --> 00:29:51,410 And I'd like to tell people that 614 00:29:51,444 --> 00:29:54,206 I was brave. I'm not afraid of this stuff 615 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,935 but I was. I was on edge waiting to see what would happen. 616 00:29:58,969 --> 00:30:00,246 I'm thinking to myself, 617 00:30:00,281 --> 00:30:02,593 "Look, okay, I'm fine with flying saucers coming here. 618 00:30:02,628 --> 00:30:05,458 I'd like to see a ball of light, or orb or something like that. 619 00:30:05,493 --> 00:30:06,632 That'd be really great. 620 00:30:06,666 --> 00:30:08,841 But I don't really wanna come 621 00:30:08,876 --> 00:30:11,188 face to face with predator monster. 622 00:30:11,223 --> 00:30:14,536 The only thing that came to get me were mosquitoes. 623 00:30:14,571 --> 00:30:19,231 So, I have had no anomalous experience on the ranch myself. 624 00:30:19,265 --> 00:30:21,405 But I've interviewed all the people, 625 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,994 all the key players, every single one of them, 626 00:30:24,029 --> 00:30:26,376 the people who'd been there for years. 627 00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:28,309 The only people I haven't interviewed 628 00:30:28,343 --> 00:30:31,208 is the Gorman family themselves. The Sharmans. 629 00:30:31,243 --> 00:30:34,694 But I have all these transcribed interviews 630 00:30:34,729 --> 00:30:36,351 that the NIDS folks had done. 631 00:30:36,386 --> 00:30:38,664 And in all the material they collected 632 00:30:38,698 --> 00:30:40,528 during the height of the study, 633 00:30:40,562 --> 00:30:41,805 so I feel like I know. 634 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,910 And I've talked to the neighbors. 635 00:30:42,944 --> 00:30:44,808 I've talked to people in town. 636 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:45,878 This stuff is real. 637 00:30:45,913 --> 00:30:47,466 It's been going on a long time. 638 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,882 And everybody who lives there knows about it. 639 00:30:49,917 --> 00:30:52,126 [Jeremy] So George Knapp investigative reporter 640 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,991 and bait for Skinwalker ranch. 641 00:30:55,577 --> 00:30:56,613 I was bait. 642 00:30:57,821 --> 00:30:59,892 It's a good story to tell now. 643 00:30:59,927 --> 00:31:01,652 It wasn't pleasant at the time. 644 00:31:01,687 --> 00:31:03,033 It wasn't. 645 00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:12,387 [indigenous cry] 646 00:31:13,941 --> 00:31:15,080 [narrator] To indigenous locals, 647 00:31:15,114 --> 00:31:17,565 this stretch of red sandstone is special 648 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,913 because it is quote "in the path of the Skinwalker," 649 00:31:20,948 --> 00:31:23,398 according to the members of the Ute tribe. 650 00:31:23,433 --> 00:31:26,505 The first time we heard that phrase the reaction was, 651 00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:27,678 "What's a Skinwalker?" 652 00:31:27,713 --> 00:31:31,027 It's a touchy subject for many tribes including the Utes 653 00:31:31,061 --> 00:31:32,752 whose sprawling nation covers 654 00:31:32,787 --> 00:31:35,686 1.3 million acres in this country. 655 00:31:35,721 --> 00:31:37,343 The Utes were ordered to move here 656 00:31:37,378 --> 00:31:38,724 around the end of the civil war. 657 00:31:38,758 --> 00:31:42,624 US Army built and staffed a fort to keep an eye on them. 658 00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:45,041 Today, the Utes co-exist with their neighbors 659 00:31:45,075 --> 00:31:47,146 while retaining their own government, 660 00:31:47,181 --> 00:31:50,184 police force, businesses and culture. 661 00:31:50,218 --> 00:31:52,565 [Preston] This is something that's in their culture. 662 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,190 It has been forever. 663 00:31:56,224 --> 00:31:58,640 [narrator] Preston worked as a tribal police officer 664 00:31:58,675 --> 00:31:59,607 for several years. 665 00:31:59,641 --> 00:32:01,436 But says few of his Ute friends 666 00:32:01,471 --> 00:32:03,611 are willing to talk about Skinwalkers. 667 00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:04,819 Or you can compare it 668 00:32:04,853 --> 00:32:08,581 to the myth that you hear of werewolves. 669 00:32:08,616 --> 00:32:12,275 Like an individual that turns into an animal type being. 670 00:32:12,309 --> 00:32:15,830 Most of them are very reluctant to talk about it. 671 00:32:15,864 --> 00:32:16,935 [narrator] In tribal lore, 672 00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:19,109 a Skinwalker is an evil presence. 673 00:32:19,144 --> 00:32:21,111 A sorcerer, and shape-shifter 674 00:32:21,146 --> 00:32:23,182 who steals lives and souls. 675 00:32:23,217 --> 00:32:25,805 Even mentioning the word is considered risky. 676 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,119 And this ridge said to be in the path of the Skinwalker 677 00:32:29,154 --> 00:32:30,672 is a borderline of sorts. 678 00:32:30,707 --> 00:32:33,952 It overlooks an island of private ranch property 679 00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:35,815 surrounded by tribal lands. 680 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:37,748 The tribe doesn't prohibit members 681 00:32:37,783 --> 00:32:39,095 from visiting the ranches, 682 00:32:39,129 --> 00:32:41,131 but strongly warns against it. 683 00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:44,928 In part because strange things seem to be concentrated here. 684 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:47,379 Skinwalker is sort of a blanket explanation 685 00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:50,106 for a range of inexplicable events. 686 00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:52,315 There does seem to have been a change 687 00:32:52,349 --> 00:32:54,386 between the '70s and the'90s. 688 00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:57,147 And they certainly have the effects 689 00:32:57,182 --> 00:32:59,563 of the phenomenon on different people. 690 00:32:59,598 --> 00:33:03,395 Where in the '70s, you didn't get the scary stuff 691 00:33:05,052 --> 00:33:06,536 even in the Uintah Basin. 692 00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:11,023 And we're going mostly on the testimony of Junior Hicks 693 00:33:11,058 --> 00:33:13,715 and probably, a couple of dozen other witnesses. 694 00:33:14,958 --> 00:33:16,166 Whereas, in the '90s, 695 00:33:16,201 --> 00:33:18,617 most of the activity that we have 696 00:33:18,651 --> 00:33:21,309 is centered around this ranch. 697 00:33:21,344 --> 00:33:23,829 And that was all kind of very scary 698 00:33:23,863 --> 00:33:26,935 poltergeist kind of stuff 699 00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:31,147 that, it seems to have changed in character. 700 00:33:31,181 --> 00:33:34,667 Eventhough the same silver disks have been seen. 701 00:33:34,702 --> 00:33:38,809 Mexican hat type UFOs have been seen in the area. 702 00:33:38,844 --> 00:33:40,087 But overlaid on that 703 00:33:40,121 --> 00:33:42,089 you've got these multiple kind 704 00:33:42,123 --> 00:33:44,194 of poltergeist psychic type stuff. 705 00:33:44,229 --> 00:33:47,197 [narrator] Biochemist Dr. Colm Kelleher didn't expect 706 00:33:47,232 --> 00:33:49,303 to be sitting at a dark cow pasture 707 00:33:49,337 --> 00:33:51,788 talking about Skinwalkers and poltergeist 708 00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:53,410 when he signed on with NIDS. 709 00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:56,206 The National Institute for DiscoverY Science 710 00:33:56,241 --> 00:33:57,656 founded in the mid '90s 711 00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:00,210 by Las Vegas billionaire Robert Bigelow. 712 00:34:00,245 --> 00:34:04,111 Bigelow's life long interest in UFO research led to NIDS. 713 00:34:04,145 --> 00:34:07,286 And to the ownership of this 480 acre ranch. 714 00:34:07,321 --> 00:34:09,288 It's a somewhat twisted tale. 715 00:34:09,323 --> 00:34:11,532 The property had been vacant for seven years 716 00:34:11,566 --> 00:34:14,431 when in 1994, a family bought it. 717 00:34:14,466 --> 00:34:16,123 It was their dream to raise 718 00:34:16,157 --> 00:34:18,194 high end simmental cattle here 719 00:34:18,228 --> 00:34:19,367 There's only one entrance. 720 00:34:19,402 --> 00:34:22,025 A gate that displayed an eerie sign. 721 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,648 A single dirt road leads into the property 722 00:34:24,683 --> 00:34:26,616 which is made up of three parcels. 723 00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:28,618 The first homestead on the east side 724 00:34:28,652 --> 00:34:30,758 is where the ranch house is located 725 00:34:30,792 --> 00:34:32,104 along with the corral. 726 00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:33,588 A second middle homestead 727 00:34:33,623 --> 00:34:35,935 contains long abandoned buildings. 728 00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:39,698 The third homestead is ringed by tall trees and underbrush. 729 00:34:39,732 --> 00:34:42,287 A river flows on the south side of the ranch. 730 00:34:42,321 --> 00:34:44,703 And on the north, the sandstone ridge. 731 00:34:44,737 --> 00:34:47,050 The family of four had a startling encounter 732 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:48,983 on their very first weekend there. 733 00:34:49,017 --> 00:34:50,226 From out of the brush, 734 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,090 on the south edge of the property, 735 00:34:52,124 --> 00:34:54,506 they saw a huge canine walking towards them. 736 00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:58,061 And they had put a couple of calves in this corral here. 737 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:00,822 And in this one here. 738 00:35:00,857 --> 00:35:03,308 And they saw this wolf 739 00:35:03,342 --> 00:35:07,588 was just trodding across the field here. 740 00:35:08,175 --> 00:35:09,969 From this direction. 741 00:35:10,004 --> 00:35:12,040 And it stopped occasionally. 742 00:35:12,075 --> 00:35:13,870 There was a light rain. 743 00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:15,975 It was a misty kind of a day 744 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:17,322 with light rain. 745 00:35:17,356 --> 00:35:19,151 And so they were watching this wolf 746 00:35:19,186 --> 00:35:21,188 as it was coming towards them. 747 00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:24,984 And seemingly kind of unconcerned. 748 00:35:25,019 --> 00:35:28,195 [narrator] The family assumed the wolf must be someone's pet. 749 00:35:28,229 --> 00:35:30,231 It was huge, but seemed tamed. 750 00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:31,336 One of the calves 751 00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:33,303 made the mistake of sticking it's snout 752 00:35:33,338 --> 00:35:34,718 through the bars of the corral. 753 00:35:34,753 --> 00:35:37,480 The wolf stuck his head into the corral 754 00:35:37,514 --> 00:35:40,793 grabbed at the muzzle of the calf 755 00:35:40,828 --> 00:35:45,591 in full view of these, tried to drag it out of the corral. 756 00:35:45,626 --> 00:35:47,731 The calf, you know, was going wild. 757 00:35:47,766 --> 00:35:53,703 So, Terry and his dad went over with, you know, stout sticks 758 00:35:53,737 --> 00:35:57,983 and started beating on the wolf to try to let... get it. 759 00:35:58,017 --> 00:36:00,848 Make sure that it let go of the calf. 760 00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:05,197 Several times they beat on the wolf 761 00:36:05,232 --> 00:36:06,819 without any affect whatsoever. 762 00:36:06,854 --> 00:36:10,961 So, Terry asked his son to go in to get a 357 Magnum. 763 00:36:12,342 --> 00:36:15,276 The son came out. The wolf was still dragging, 764 00:36:15,311 --> 00:36:17,796 trying to drag the calf through the corral. 765 00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:19,591 And Terry, sort of, 766 00:36:19,625 --> 00:36:23,181 pointed the Magnum at the animal and shot it. 767 00:36:23,215 --> 00:36:24,734 Now, as far as I remember, 768 00:36:24,768 --> 00:36:27,392 he shot it either three or four times. 769 00:36:27,426 --> 00:36:30,464 And it was from like increasingly close range. 770 00:36:30,498 --> 00:36:33,432 First of all, it was from several feet 771 00:36:33,467 --> 00:36:35,054 and then it was closer and closer. 772 00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:40,543 On the fourth shot the animal, I believe, let the calf go. 773 00:36:40,577 --> 00:36:43,960 But the animal was... didn't... the wolf, 774 00:36:43,994 --> 00:36:46,549 didn't let out any yelps of pain. 775 00:36:46,583 --> 00:36:48,516 There was no sign of blood. 776 00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:51,312 There was no sign of distress. 777 00:36:51,347 --> 00:36:54,626 The animal let the calf go and looked at Terry. 778 00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:56,904 [narrator] The rancher's son had run to the house 779 00:36:56,938 --> 00:36:58,250 to retrieve a hunting rifle. 780 00:36:58,285 --> 00:37:00,045 He handed it to his father. 781 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:04,222 Terry gets the 30 all six which, you know, can bring down an elk, 782 00:37:04,256 --> 00:37:07,294 you know, from relatively long distance. 783 00:37:07,328 --> 00:37:11,367 He shot at a distance of 20 feet. 784 00:37:11,401 --> 00:37:14,646 And this time there was a big recoil from the animal. 785 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,131 You know, the animal, kind of recoiled 786 00:37:17,165 --> 00:37:20,893 but still didn't give out any pain or anything like that. 787 00:37:20,928 --> 00:37:24,656 But kind of backed off for maybe 10 feet 15 feet. 788 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:28,315 And Terry shot at it. It was actually a sixth time 789 00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:30,006 with the 30 odd six. 790 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,356 And this time he saw a bunch of flesh that the bullet exited 791 00:37:35,391 --> 00:37:37,979 from the animal with flesh. 792 00:37:38,014 --> 00:37:42,260 And this time the animal just kind of turned on it's heel 793 00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:44,986 and just troded off. 794 00:37:45,021 --> 00:37:46,850 You know, almost casually. 795 00:37:46,885 --> 00:37:49,750 And exactly where it had come from across 796 00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:50,751 in that direction. 797 00:37:52,339 --> 00:37:54,513 Now, you know, 798 00:37:54,548 --> 00:37:56,584 the piece of flesh was lying on the ground 799 00:37:56,619 --> 00:37:58,966 and they examined it later. 800 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,382 [narrator] The father and son both armed with rifles 801 00:38:01,417 --> 00:38:02,625 went after the wolf 802 00:38:02,659 --> 00:38:04,696 catching glimpses as it moved through thickets 803 00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:07,561 and following the deep tracks it left on the wet ground. 804 00:38:07,595 --> 00:38:09,597 Well, what they did was they tracked the animal 805 00:38:09,632 --> 00:38:11,737 all the way across to the creek. 806 00:38:11,772 --> 00:38:13,808 There's a creek about half a mile in that direction. 807 00:38:16,086 --> 00:38:17,260 They tracked the animal, 808 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:18,710 you know, they went after the animal 809 00:38:18,744 --> 00:38:21,816 and they found that it's tracks just stopped suddenly 810 00:38:21,851 --> 00:38:23,887 in a muddy bank right by the creek. 811 00:38:23,922 --> 00:38:28,685 It just seemed to... The tracks went nowhere. 812 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,344 You know, they were going to a specific area. 813 00:38:32,379 --> 00:38:35,071 They should not have vanished but they vanished. 814 00:38:35,105 --> 00:38:36,624 But they came back then 815 00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:40,835 and they found the piece of tissue from the animal 816 00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:43,666 that had been blown off by the 30 odd six. 817 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:48,291 And to them it looked old, it looked almost like 818 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:53,227 the beginnings of decay, decayed flesh. 819 00:38:53,261 --> 00:38:55,988 It blew them. This instance blew them away 820 00:38:56,023 --> 00:38:57,990 because even a single shot 821 00:38:58,025 --> 00:38:59,267 from a 357 Magnum 822 00:38:59,302 --> 00:39:00,959 should have brought that wolf down. 823 00:39:00,993 --> 00:39:05,619 Now, should remember that this wolf initially 824 00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:07,206 was very friendly to them. 825 00:39:07,241 --> 00:39:09,416 It actually walked right up to the dad 826 00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:11,556 and the dad patted it on it's head. 827 00:39:11,590 --> 00:39:13,868 I mean, so we're not talking about some kind of mirage. 828 00:39:13,903 --> 00:39:17,285 We're not talking about some kind of hallucination. 829 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,149 This was a physical animal. 830 00:39:19,184 --> 00:39:21,945 He patted him. He smelled like wet dog. 831 00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:23,464 [Knapp] Think about it, I mean, where do you, 832 00:39:23,499 --> 00:39:25,708 how do you characterize that? 833 00:39:25,742 --> 00:39:28,676 There really is no context to even put that in 834 00:39:28,711 --> 00:39:31,748 because it was a physical animal 835 00:39:31,783 --> 00:39:35,269 that looked like it was flesh and blood. 836 00:39:35,303 --> 00:39:37,996 [Kelleher] They chalked it off as being totally bizarre. 837 00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:40,412 They talked about it for weeks afterwards. 838 00:39:40,447 --> 00:39:43,346 Because this was really the first incident 839 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:44,485 that they had encountered 840 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,212 just after moving on the ranch. 841 00:39:47,246 --> 00:39:50,146 As I said they were just moving into the general area. 842 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,597 They were thinking about putting furniture to the house. 843 00:39:52,631 --> 00:39:57,809 And this animal was between two and three times the size 844 00:39:57,843 --> 00:39:58,982 of a normal wolf. 845 00:39:59,017 --> 00:40:02,330 You know normal wolf would kind of come up to there, 846 00:40:02,365 --> 00:40:04,609 well this thing was huge. 847 00:40:04,643 --> 00:40:06,438 [narrator] Later at the gate entrance, 848 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:08,544 the rancher's wife had another encounter 849 00:40:08,578 --> 00:40:10,649 with the huge wolf as she entered the property. 850 00:40:10,684 --> 00:40:13,307 The wolf was in the company of two black dogs 851 00:40:13,341 --> 00:40:14,860 with over sized heads. 852 00:40:14,895 --> 00:40:18,036 Months later when the family was asked to describe the wolf 853 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,383 by looking at a line up of different types, 854 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:21,971 they pointed to this beast 855 00:40:22,005 --> 00:40:24,422 as the one closest to what they had seen. 856 00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:25,699 It's a dire wolf. 857 00:40:25,733 --> 00:40:28,115 And it's been extinct for 10,000 years. 858 00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:41,508 [Knapp] We live in the middle 859 00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:42,992 of some other kind of intelligence. 860 00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:48,480 The secrecy begins with them. 861 00:40:48,515 --> 00:40:49,826 Whoever they are. 862 00:40:49,861 --> 00:40:53,968 These visitors, these entities that interject themselves 863 00:40:54,003 --> 00:40:55,211 into our lives. 864 00:41:05,808 --> 00:41:08,673 Who they are, why they're here, what their interest is in us 865 00:41:08,707 --> 00:41:10,433 long term. We don't know the answers. 866 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:12,539 We can surmise but we don't know 867 00:41:12,573 --> 00:41:14,023 the answers to any of the big stuff. 868 00:41:14,057 --> 00:41:17,682 But we can say, I can say with certainty that 869 00:41:17,716 --> 00:41:20,823 there is some kind of intelligence operating here. 870 00:41:20,857 --> 00:41:25,137 That it shows us glimpses of itself from time to time 871 00:41:25,172 --> 00:41:26,656 on it's own agenda. 872 00:41:26,691 --> 00:41:30,108 But it is the architect of the secrecy. 873 00:41:30,142 --> 00:41:33,456 [Jeremy] I believe that there are aspects of consciousness 874 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,354 that associate with the UFO phenomenon. 875 00:41:35,389 --> 00:41:38,047 That we have not addressed fully. 876 00:41:38,081 --> 00:41:40,705 [man] The global public is not ready 877 00:41:40,739 --> 00:41:43,397 to have global confirmation on this. 878 00:41:43,431 --> 00:41:45,710 A lot of disturbing things will occur. 879 00:41:45,744 --> 00:41:47,677 They are just too powerful. 880 00:41:48,851 --> 00:41:50,577 [Knapp] People have ignored these facts. 881 00:41:50,611 --> 00:41:52,164 They like it to go away. 882 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,580 It's not going away. 883 00:41:53,614 --> 00:41:56,134 It's not going away because the phenomenon itself 884 00:41:56,168 --> 00:41:57,273 doesn't go away. 885 00:41:57,307 --> 00:42:00,690 It's been with humans, every continent, every culture, 886 00:42:00,725 --> 00:42:01,967 throughout human history. 887 00:42:02,002 --> 00:42:03,728 It's here whether we like it or not. 888 00:42:03,762 --> 00:42:05,246 And it's here today. 889 00:42:14,083 --> 00:42:15,774 [Jeremy] According to tribal lores, 890 00:42:15,809 --> 00:42:18,881 some of the unusual events in and around the ranch 891 00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:20,572 are believed to be the handiwork 892 00:42:20,607 --> 00:42:24,990 of a shape-shifting entity known as a Skinwalker. 893 00:42:25,025 --> 00:42:27,959 The Utes also believe that lights seen on the property 894 00:42:27,993 --> 00:42:30,927 could be the spirits of long departed ancestors 895 00:42:30,962 --> 00:42:34,137 that enter this world from under the ground. 896 00:42:34,172 --> 00:42:37,900 But tribal members also see the same metallic UFOs 897 00:42:37,934 --> 00:42:40,316 witnessed elsewhere in the Basin. 898 00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:41,559 These objects appear to be 899 00:42:41,593 --> 00:42:43,733 technological and not spiritual. 900 00:42:44,907 --> 00:42:46,943 And the few of the encounters, 901 00:42:46,978 --> 00:42:49,118 occur right in front of their faces. 902 00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:58,058 That morning, when I noticed, when I did my rounds, 903 00:42:58,092 --> 00:42:59,784 I usually go out the front door where I came. 904 00:42:59,818 --> 00:43:01,233 Then go back all the way around the building. 905 00:43:01,268 --> 00:43:03,477 That's when this voice appeared in my head 906 00:43:03,511 --> 00:43:04,616 and said, "Hey, get back inside. 907 00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:05,790 You shouldn't be seeing this." 908 00:43:05,824 --> 00:43:06,963 [alien voice] "You shouldn't be out here. 909 00:43:06,998 --> 00:43:08,378 And you shouldn't be seeing this." 910 00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:10,726 [Corey] "Go back inside. You're gonna miss your family." 911 00:43:12,382 --> 00:43:14,902 The hull of the ship was like this. 912 00:43:14,937 --> 00:43:16,663 I don't know if you've ever seen like the... 913 00:43:16,697 --> 00:43:18,078 The Star Trek enterprise. 914 00:43:18,112 --> 00:43:20,183 You know how the round shape of that. 915 00:43:20,218 --> 00:43:24,118 It was like that. But like a black and dark gray. 916 00:43:24,153 --> 00:43:25,741 [Jeremy] And you were standing right here? 917 00:43:25,775 --> 00:43:30,642 No, actually, I was standing right here. 918 00:43:30,677 --> 00:43:33,024 And we're looking out this door here. 919 00:43:33,058 --> 00:43:35,578 We didn't see the ship per se right there. 920 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:36,821 But, we saw the lights and like, 921 00:43:36,855 --> 00:43:38,270 "Okay, now what the hell is going on?" 922 00:43:38,305 --> 00:43:41,757 So we walked out here, me and a few more client, 923 00:43:41,791 --> 00:43:44,138 looking up here and seeing this object 924 00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:47,072 and we're like," What?" Then, we noticed that 925 00:43:47,107 --> 00:43:49,799 it started kinda moving back a little bit. 926 00:43:49,834 --> 00:43:51,836 I'd say we probably got about 927 00:43:52,664 --> 00:43:55,080 close to right here 928 00:43:55,115 --> 00:43:57,980 just looking at it and you can see it just like right there. 929 00:43:58,014 --> 00:44:01,328 And the cloud and everything and the light 930 00:44:01,362 --> 00:44:05,884 and that was so intense and you're just like this looking. 931 00:44:05,919 --> 00:44:07,679 And then I was talking to Herb 932 00:44:07,714 --> 00:44:09,508 and I was being like, "Hey, that's a UFO. 933 00:44:09,543 --> 00:44:10,958 That's a fucking UFO." 934 00:44:10,993 --> 00:44:13,340 And I remember swearing at the time too. 935 00:44:13,374 --> 00:44:15,791 Now, we're standing and looking and I was looking like this 936 00:44:15,825 --> 00:44:18,448 and, you know, something just going in through my head saying, 937 00:44:18,483 --> 00:44:21,486 "Hey, you shouldn't be out here. You shouldn't be seeing this." 938 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,522 You know, and I was like, "Oh, shoot." 939 00:44:23,557 --> 00:44:25,076 And I was like, "Hey lets go back inside." 940 00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:27,734 So we started going back in and we were looking still. 941 00:44:27,768 --> 00:44:28,942 That's why I said, 942 00:44:28,976 --> 00:44:30,875 I wish people could have been awake at the time. 943 00:44:30,909 --> 00:44:33,601 During that Sunday morning to see what I saw. 944 00:44:33,636 --> 00:44:36,777 And I had people that seen it all the way up to Right rocks, 945 00:44:36,812 --> 00:44:38,606 all the way down towards Fort Connor, 946 00:44:38,641 --> 00:44:39,538 Randlett, 947 00:44:39,573 --> 00:44:40,885 that were up at that time. 948 00:44:40,919 --> 00:44:42,852 And those that were here, you know, 949 00:44:42,887 --> 00:44:46,166 had that feeling like everything was dead silent. 950 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,893 There was just an eerie quiet silence. 951 00:44:48,927 --> 00:44:52,068 No dogs were barking, no noise or anything like that. 952 00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:55,071 And people at the store during the time of the blackout, 953 00:44:55,106 --> 00:44:57,315 they opened the doors just to see 954 00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:59,248 and they could see the colors. 955 00:44:59,282 --> 00:45:00,698 [alien voice] "Hey, get back inside. 956 00:45:00,732 --> 00:45:02,009 You shouldn't be seeing this. 957 00:45:02,044 --> 00:45:04,218 Go back inside. You're gonna miss you're family." 958 00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:07,221 I kind of stopped in my tracks 959 00:45:07,256 --> 00:45:10,155 and I was like, well, you know, thinking in my head, 960 00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:12,019 "Fuck this shit. I'm gonna go back inside." 961 00:45:12,054 --> 00:45:14,056 I ain't gonna get abducted. 962 00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:15,782 So, you're standing there. Where did it leave? 963 00:45:15,816 --> 00:45:16,921 When you went back in, 964 00:45:16,955 --> 00:45:18,060 was it still here when you went back in? 965 00:45:18,094 --> 00:45:20,787 Yeah, it was slowly moving back that way 966 00:45:20,821 --> 00:45:22,754 and just making it's way towards the south. 967 00:45:22,789 --> 00:45:24,169 And then I got back in, 968 00:45:24,204 --> 00:45:26,102 and then right when we got inside, 969 00:45:26,137 --> 00:45:29,865 that's when the female house manager said, 970 00:45:29,899 --> 00:45:32,764 "Hey, look." And that's when I was right outside like this. 971 00:45:32,799 --> 00:45:35,042 Just like this. Looked outside through the window 972 00:45:35,077 --> 00:45:37,527 and there's this flash [swoosh] That's it. 973 00:45:37,562 --> 00:45:38,874 Lights out. 974 00:45:38,908 --> 00:45:40,496 Just like a light switch. It's lights off. [clicks] 975 00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:42,015 [Corey] It gives me the chills 976 00:45:42,049 --> 00:45:44,914 and I just don't... It's just stuck in my head. 977 00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:48,297 I mean it wasn't a very big ship 978 00:45:49,298 --> 00:45:52,508 but it was big enough I guess you could say. 979 00:45:52,542 --> 00:45:54,752 It was pretty close though. 980 00:45:54,786 --> 00:45:57,409 It was too close for comfort. 981 00:46:09,111 --> 00:46:11,044 [narrator] The incident with the bullet proof wolf 982 00:46:11,078 --> 00:46:13,149 was only the beginning for the ranch family. 983 00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:16,463 During their mind-numbing 20 months on the property, 984 00:46:16,497 --> 00:46:17,567 the ranch morphed 985 00:46:17,602 --> 00:46:19,638 from a seemingly idyllic setting 986 00:46:19,673 --> 00:46:22,572 into a mental and emotional torture chamber. 987 00:46:22,607 --> 00:46:24,091 Why, the rancher wondered, 988 00:46:24,126 --> 00:46:27,060 that the previous owner insist on being notified 989 00:46:27,094 --> 00:46:29,959 before any digging was done on the land. 990 00:46:29,994 --> 00:46:31,478 Soon enough, he understood. 991 00:46:31,512 --> 00:46:33,825 At different times of the day and night, 992 00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:36,103 the family felt the ground shake. 993 00:46:36,138 --> 00:46:39,486 And heard the sound of metal on metal coming from below. 994 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,524 As if a steel mill or rail road operated under their feet. 995 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,082 And there was clear evidence from what they felt 996 00:46:49,116 --> 00:46:52,395 was that there was some kind of, a lot of machinery, 997 00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:55,502 noises of machinery, noises of technology, 998 00:46:55,536 --> 00:46:58,643 that seemed to come from either underground 999 00:46:58,677 --> 00:47:00,369 or deep in the ridge. 1000 00:47:00,403 --> 00:47:02,992 Just to the north of here. 1001 00:47:03,027 --> 00:47:08,929 They also found that anytime there was a disturbance, 1002 00:47:08,964 --> 00:47:11,725 for example, sometimes they dynamited tree stumps 1003 00:47:11,759 --> 00:47:13,140 from the ground. 1004 00:47:13,175 --> 00:47:18,214 They noticed that there was a big increase in the activity 1005 00:47:18,249 --> 00:47:20,838 immediately following dynamiting these stumps. 1006 00:47:20,872 --> 00:47:23,771 In other words, large holes in the ground. 1007 00:47:23,806 --> 00:47:25,635 They couldn't figure out why. 1008 00:47:27,189 --> 00:47:29,881 [narrator] On some nights large sections of the pasture 1009 00:47:29,916 --> 00:47:31,089 would light up, illuminated 1010 00:47:31,124 --> 00:47:33,436 by an unknown source in the sky. 1011 00:47:33,471 --> 00:47:36,577 Other times, the family witnessed beams of light 1012 00:47:36,612 --> 00:47:37,820 shoot out of the ground. 1013 00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:40,443 Vehicles would stall, batteries would die 1014 00:47:40,478 --> 00:47:43,412 while crossing particular points on the property. 1015 00:47:43,446 --> 00:47:45,863 Equipment would vanish into thin air. 1016 00:47:45,897 --> 00:47:48,900 On a few nights, family members heard mocking voices 1017 00:47:48,935 --> 00:47:50,315 speaking an unknown language 1018 00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:52,731 seemingly emanating from the sky 1019 00:47:52,766 --> 00:47:54,975 a few feet above their heads. 1020 00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:57,840 So many of the events on the ranch were palpable 1021 00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:58,806 but fleeting. 1022 00:47:58,841 --> 00:47:59,911 It meant the credibility 1023 00:47:59,946 --> 00:48:01,706 of the rancher and other witnesses 1024 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:03,604 would eventually be evaluated. 1025 00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:05,848 He was a expert marksman, 1026 00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:09,093 tracker, hunter, horseman, 1027 00:48:09,127 --> 00:48:14,581 cattle breeder and he didn't really touch farming 1028 00:48:14,615 --> 00:48:17,618 but he had a college education and degrees and certifications 1029 00:48:17,653 --> 00:48:21,622 that, I believe, attested to the fact that he had a lot 1030 00:48:21,657 --> 00:48:25,385 of tidy technical training in animal husbandry. 1031 00:48:25,419 --> 00:48:28,526 So he was scientifically astute to some extent. 1032 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,115 [narrator] Eric Davis is a PhD physicist 1033 00:48:31,149 --> 00:48:33,738 who would later spend four years on the ranch. 1034 00:48:33,772 --> 00:48:36,051 Just part of a wide-ranging investigation 1035 00:48:36,085 --> 00:48:37,915 looking not only at the property 1036 00:48:37,949 --> 00:48:39,261 and the events that occurred 1037 00:48:39,295 --> 00:48:42,126 but also conducting extensive background checks 1038 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,956 into the family, their history, their neighbors. 1039 00:48:44,991 --> 00:48:46,613 [Knapp] He is not the only witness. 1040 00:48:46,647 --> 00:48:47,579 This has been going on. 1041 00:48:47,614 --> 00:48:49,064 Not only the Indians have been seeing it 1042 00:48:49,098 --> 00:48:49,996 but a lot of people. 1043 00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:51,342 Right. It wasn't just him. 1044 00:48:51,376 --> 00:48:54,207 It was his wife, his two children, his neighbors. 1045 00:48:54,241 --> 00:48:59,177 The whole Uintah valley has a 50 year history 1046 00:48:59,212 --> 00:49:02,042 of phenomenon that the Mormon community 1047 00:49:02,077 --> 00:49:04,251 and all the other non-Mormon members of the community 1048 00:49:04,286 --> 00:49:07,599 have been experiencing since the 1950s. 1049 00:49:07,634 --> 00:49:10,671 This includes County Woods supervisor members, 1050 00:49:10,706 --> 00:49:14,848 judges, the sheriffs of the various county Sheriff Departments. 1051 00:49:14,882 --> 00:49:16,263 [Knapp] Tell me about the rancher. 1052 00:49:16,298 --> 00:49:18,024 When you came up here, you got to know him. 1053 00:49:18,058 --> 00:49:20,095 You had beers and barbecues. 1054 00:49:20,129 --> 00:49:21,855 Excellent, excellent. 1055 00:49:21,889 --> 00:49:25,963 At first, you thought maybe this guy is off his rocker. 1056 00:49:27,309 --> 00:49:30,553 Well, because due to the fact that 1057 00:49:30,588 --> 00:49:32,659 480 acre parcel 1058 00:49:32,693 --> 00:49:35,420 of paranormal Disneyland down there 1059 00:49:35,455 --> 00:49:39,183 had so much phenomena experienced by him and his family. 1060 00:49:40,218 --> 00:49:44,395 You know, different aspects of it. The mutilations, 1061 00:49:44,429 --> 00:49:47,053 the opening up of the sky, the holes in the sky, 1062 00:49:47,087 --> 00:49:50,125 to the different craft to the poltergeist 1063 00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:51,919 to the different entities 1064 00:49:51,954 --> 00:49:55,026 including UFOs on the ground, 1065 00:49:55,061 --> 00:49:58,236 voices in the air and so on and so on and so on, 1066 00:49:58,271 --> 00:50:02,896 I thought this is... There was just too much expression here. 1067 00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:06,313 I had some doubts there 1068 00:50:06,348 --> 00:50:08,281 upon visiting with him the first time. 1069 00:50:08,315 --> 00:50:11,456 [narrator] Ryan Layton has chased Uintah UFO story 1070 00:50:11,491 --> 00:50:12,561 since the '80s. 1071 00:50:12,595 --> 00:50:15,046 He introduced himself to the rancher whose real name 1072 00:50:15,081 --> 00:50:16,875 has been reported elsewhere. 1073 00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:18,291 We'll call him Tom Gorman. 1074 00:50:18,325 --> 00:50:19,430 [Knapp] When did you come to believe 1075 00:50:19,464 --> 00:50:21,984 about his truthfulness, his character. 1076 00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:24,469 I believed he was being extremely truthful 1077 00:50:24,504 --> 00:50:28,232 and I think his character is outstanding. 1078 00:50:28,266 --> 00:50:33,168 And I could see that he was, indeed, affected emotionally. 1079 00:50:33,202 --> 00:50:36,619 As you know, he was also angered because of it. 1080 00:50:36,654 --> 00:50:41,245 This wasn't a joyful thing for him, as you know. 1081 00:50:41,279 --> 00:50:43,695 [narrator] Layton visited Gorman on the ranch four times 1082 00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:47,147 and was told about many but not all of the bizarre things 1083 00:50:47,182 --> 00:50:48,528 that were still unfolding. 1084 00:50:48,562 --> 00:50:51,289 One incident was distinctly physical. 1085 00:50:51,324 --> 00:50:53,360 It happened in the third homestead. 1086 00:50:53,395 --> 00:50:56,294 Someone dug large dibbits into the pasture. 1087 00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:59,746 A photo was included in the 1996 newspaper story. 1088 00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:04,337 The scoop marks were just an oddity in the pasture there. 1089 00:51:04,371 --> 00:51:07,547 Some were three to four feet in diameter. 1090 00:51:07,581 --> 00:51:11,102 And there were scoop... dozens of them in there. 1091 00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:14,140 Not a natural type of occurrence. 1092 00:51:14,174 --> 00:51:16,003 [narrator] During one of our visits, Colm Kelleher 1093 00:51:16,038 --> 00:51:17,488 showed us where it happened. 1094 00:51:17,522 --> 00:51:20,353 Each of the scoops would have weighed hundreds of pounds 1095 00:51:20,387 --> 00:51:22,182 meaning some kind of heavy equipment 1096 00:51:22,217 --> 00:51:23,563 would have been needed. 1097 00:51:23,597 --> 00:51:26,048 But how did it occur without the rancher noticing? 1098 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:29,500 The rancher came out one morning 1099 00:51:29,534 --> 00:51:32,192 and was checking down in this area with his cattle. 1100 00:51:32,227 --> 00:51:34,367 He noticed this scoop mark here 1101 00:51:34,401 --> 00:51:36,886 and another one just down here. 1102 00:51:36,921 --> 00:51:38,647 And a third one further down here. 1103 00:51:38,681 --> 00:51:42,271 Well, they'd have to take down a series of gates for one 1104 00:51:42,306 --> 00:51:47,207 and [stutters] what would be the reasoning 1105 00:51:47,242 --> 00:51:50,590 for taking such a large massive soil sampling 1106 00:51:50,624 --> 00:51:52,799 out of that particular section of that... 1107 00:51:52,833 --> 00:51:56,423 I mean, what is to be gained by scooping out dozens of 1108 00:51:56,458 --> 00:51:59,323 odd scoop marks in the pasture? 1109 00:51:59,357 --> 00:52:01,946 [narrator] That incident came in the middle of a wild period 1110 00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:03,154 for the family. 1111 00:52:03,189 --> 00:52:05,156 From the first day they moved on to the ranch, 1112 00:52:05,191 --> 00:52:06,916 they felt like they were being watched. 1113 00:52:06,951 --> 00:52:09,988 At night, they would hear the sounds of heavy footsteps 1114 00:52:10,023 --> 00:52:11,162 outside their windows 1115 00:52:11,197 --> 00:52:12,577 and would see the outlines 1116 00:52:12,612 --> 00:52:15,477 of black faceless figures peering in. 1117 00:52:15,511 --> 00:52:19,170 Eventually, the footsteps and the figures entered the house. 1118 00:52:19,205 --> 00:52:21,276 There were dozens of unexplained events. 1119 00:52:21,310 --> 00:52:23,968 Locked doors would open and slam shut. 1120 00:52:24,002 --> 00:52:27,385 Objects would vanish then reappear somewhere else. 1121 00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:29,318 The Utes might describe all this 1122 00:52:29,353 --> 00:52:30,837 as the work of a trickster. 1123 00:52:30,871 --> 00:52:33,322 We would more likely call it a poltergeist. 1124 00:52:33,357 --> 00:52:35,876 Eventually, the family would help investigators 1125 00:52:35,911 --> 00:52:38,845 to compile this list of incidents they remembered. 1126 00:52:38,879 --> 00:52:41,399 Three young men including the rancher's son 1127 00:52:41,434 --> 00:52:44,885 spent four hours moving a pile of heavy corral poles 1128 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,439 to a spot near the canal. 1129 00:52:46,473 --> 00:52:49,200 Later in the day, the entire pile had been moved 1130 00:52:49,235 --> 00:52:50,926 back to its original spot. 1131 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,583 But just an inch off. 1132 00:52:52,617 --> 00:52:55,310 In another instance, a ton of port wood 1133 00:52:55,344 --> 00:52:57,415 stacked on one side of a field 1134 00:52:57,450 --> 00:52:59,831 somehow appeared on the other side of the field 1135 00:52:59,866 --> 00:53:01,730 in a space of about 30 minutes. 1136 00:53:01,764 --> 00:53:05,078 Tools, pliers, gloves, even a chainsaw 1137 00:53:05,112 --> 00:53:06,735 vanished while being used. 1138 00:53:06,769 --> 00:53:09,841 The chainsaw reappeared a hundred yards away. 1139 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,604 A post hole digger vanished from a field 1140 00:53:13,638 --> 00:53:15,778 during the rancher's brief lunch break. 1141 00:53:15,813 --> 00:53:17,401 After he bought a new digger, 1142 00:53:17,435 --> 00:53:20,058 the next day, the first one reappeared 1143 00:53:20,093 --> 00:53:22,406 delicately balanced up in a tree. 1144 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,478 The rancher placed a new flea collar on his dog's neck. 1145 00:53:25,512 --> 00:53:27,480 It disappeared within a day. 1146 00:53:27,514 --> 00:53:30,655 Twenty four hours later, it was back on the dog. 1147 00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:32,588 Kitchen utensils would go missing 1148 00:53:32,623 --> 00:53:35,177 while the rancher's wife was cooking meals. 1149 00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,868 And would later turn up in the fridge, 1150 00:53:36,903 --> 00:53:38,318 or freezer, or microwave. 1151 00:53:38,353 --> 00:53:40,217 The wife would lock the bathroom 1152 00:53:40,251 --> 00:53:41,839 door when she took a shower. 1153 00:53:41,873 --> 00:53:43,150 When she got out of the shower, 1154 00:53:43,185 --> 00:53:45,360 her towel and hairbrush were gone 1155 00:53:45,394 --> 00:53:47,431 though the door was still locked. 1156 00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:50,123 Weeks worth of groceries would be unpacked 1157 00:53:50,157 --> 00:53:51,504 and put away in cupboards. 1158 00:53:51,538 --> 00:53:54,679 Minutes later the groceries were back in the shopping bags. 1159 00:53:54,714 --> 00:53:56,785 Ryan Layton was present on the ranch 1160 00:53:56,819 --> 00:53:59,028 while some of the incidents were still happening. 1161 00:53:59,063 --> 00:54:02,204 [Knapp] Did Terry ever describe to you seeing the beings 1162 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,447 and things of that sort? 1163 00:54:03,481 --> 00:54:06,415 Or any of the poltergeist trickery kinda things. 1164 00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:08,762 Yes, he did describe some of the trickery things. 1165 00:54:08,797 --> 00:54:10,281 [Knapp] What did he tell you about it? 1166 00:54:10,316 --> 00:54:14,009 Oh, particularly his fence post, 1167 00:54:14,043 --> 00:54:16,322 -His, um, -Post hole digger? 1168 00:54:16,356 --> 00:54:17,737 Post hole digger, yes, 1169 00:54:17,771 --> 00:54:22,328 where he looked long and far became extremely frustrated, 1170 00:54:22,362 --> 00:54:26,815 looked for it and there it was Approximately to 40 feet up the tree 1171 00:54:26,849 --> 00:54:28,368 a couple of days later. 1172 00:54:28,403 --> 00:54:30,474 -[Knapp] Things in the house-- -[Layton] Yeah, things in the house would 1173 00:54:30,508 --> 00:54:33,131 move around and also I do remember the story about, 1174 00:54:33,166 --> 00:54:34,581 which stands out in my mind, 1175 00:54:34,616 --> 00:54:38,689 or when you mention the poltergeist activity. 1176 00:54:38,723 --> 00:54:42,037 His son... I should tell you the high strangeness 1177 00:54:42,071 --> 00:54:43,452 of this type of objects, 1178 00:54:45,489 --> 00:54:50,356 His son had cut, with some friends, a cord or two of wood, 1179 00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:51,667 and placed it in some distance. 1180 00:54:51,702 --> 00:54:54,532 Maybe a hundred yards away from the location 1181 00:54:54,567 --> 00:54:56,603 and it had been moved. 1182 00:54:56,638 --> 00:54:58,364 He came in to get a drink of water 1183 00:54:58,398 --> 00:54:59,399 and it was moved. 1184 00:54:59,434 --> 00:55:00,849 [Knapp] The whole quarter of wood? 1185 00:55:00,883 --> 00:55:04,646 Yeah, the whole quarter wood, you know, in just a few moments. 1186 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,890 I believe it was about a hundred yard distance 1187 00:55:07,925 --> 00:55:09,996 or something of that nature. 1188 00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:12,136 [narrator] Junior Hicks, the science teacher, 1189 00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:14,483 who investigated UFO cases said, 1190 00:55:14,518 --> 00:55:18,280 "These trickster incidents were common among other witnesses 1191 00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:19,971 who'd encountered UFOs. 1192 00:55:20,006 --> 00:55:22,698 But it often took a long time for them to open up 1193 00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:24,942 about their unusual experiences." 1194 00:55:26,253 --> 00:55:27,565 The family needed help. 1195 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,980 And help was on its way. 1196 00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:37,230 [Jeremy] Bob Bigelow is one of the most 1197 00:55:37,264 --> 00:55:38,887 enigmatic individuals 1198 00:55:38,921 --> 00:55:40,509 that we hear about. 1199 00:55:40,544 --> 00:55:42,339 The guys got two private 1200 00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:45,307 orbiting space stations for study. 1201 00:55:45,342 --> 00:55:48,931 He's an individual connected through government contracts. 1202 00:55:50,381 --> 00:55:52,141 Skinwalker ranch, he's allowed you 1203 00:55:52,176 --> 00:55:54,109 to be there a number of times. 1204 00:55:54,143 --> 00:55:56,663 He's really let you in. 1205 00:55:56,698 --> 00:56:00,218 Bob Bigelow is probably the most misunderstood person 1206 00:56:00,253 --> 00:56:02,359 in the entire field of ufology. 1207 00:56:02,393 --> 00:56:03,912 He's not an ufologist. 1208 00:56:03,946 --> 00:56:05,465 He's a wealthy businessman 1209 00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:07,778 who happens to have an interest in the topic. 1210 00:56:07,812 --> 00:56:11,333 He has spent more money trying to pursue UFO truth, 1211 00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:14,819 than any person in the history of the world. 1212 00:56:14,854 --> 00:56:16,614 [Jeremy] What is Bigelow's end game? 1213 00:56:16,649 --> 00:56:18,444 What is his curiosity? 1214 00:56:18,478 --> 00:56:20,860 What is his interest? Why is he doing this? 1215 00:56:21,619 --> 00:56:23,241 The interest is personal. 1216 00:56:23,276 --> 00:56:25,105 It comes from family experiences. 1217 00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:27,763 It's what got him hungry about the topic to begin with. 1218 00:56:27,798 --> 00:56:31,836 People have this craziest ideas about Bob Bigelow. 1219 00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:33,769 I've seen the descriptions of him. 1220 00:56:33,804 --> 00:56:37,255 He's shadowy, he has a drug business, 1221 00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:39,741 he is in the tea business, 1222 00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:42,502 he is a gun runner, he is a casino owner. 1223 00:56:43,089 --> 00:56:44,608 Crazy stuff. 1224 00:56:44,642 --> 00:56:47,127 He's only interested in this 1225 00:56:47,162 --> 00:56:49,336 so he can capture the technology 1226 00:56:49,371 --> 00:56:50,924 and build his own spacecraft 1227 00:56:50,959 --> 00:56:53,789 and take the elite off this planet. 1228 00:56:53,824 --> 00:56:57,517 All he's done is give his resources 1229 00:56:57,552 --> 00:56:58,898 to trying to find out what's going on. 1230 00:56:58,932 --> 00:57:01,279 You know, for example, he gave a million dollars 1231 00:57:01,314 --> 00:57:02,488 to the UFO organizations 1232 00:57:02,522 --> 00:57:04,766 and told them, "Here's a million dollars. 1233 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,146 You don't have any resources, 1234 00:57:06,181 --> 00:57:08,494 you're always bitching about not having any money, 1235 00:57:08,528 --> 00:57:09,598 here's a million bucks." 1236 00:57:09,633 --> 00:57:11,669 You just gotta find a way to get along 1237 00:57:11,704 --> 00:57:14,776 and divvy it up and make sure it goes to actual research. 1238 00:57:14,810 --> 00:57:17,710 Of course, they fucked it up. They fucked it up. 1239 00:57:17,744 --> 00:57:19,746 Cause they couldn't get along. 1240 00:57:19,781 --> 00:57:21,886 He said, "I wanna establish a training program 1241 00:57:21,921 --> 00:57:25,476 where we have a strike force kind of a rapid response team. 1242 00:57:25,511 --> 00:57:27,513 So, when you got a UFO flap, 1243 00:57:27,547 --> 00:57:28,928 you've got a big case, 1244 00:57:28,962 --> 00:57:31,758 you can, you got the money to jump on a plane, 1245 00:57:31,793 --> 00:57:34,830 send some people there, have boots on the ground and investigate it. 1246 00:57:34,865 --> 00:57:37,350 And of course he was pilloried for it. 1247 00:57:37,384 --> 00:57:38,972 [Knapp] He created NIDS. 1248 00:57:39,007 --> 00:57:41,147 National Institute for Discovery Science. 1249 00:57:41,181 --> 00:57:43,529 He was so disgusted by 1250 00:57:43,563 --> 00:57:46,808 MUFON, by the UFO organizations 1251 00:57:46,842 --> 00:57:48,326 and their lack of progress, 1252 00:57:48,361 --> 00:57:49,949 he created his own UFO organization. 1253 00:57:49,983 --> 00:57:53,297 There's never been a gathering of great minds 1254 00:57:53,331 --> 00:57:54,816 as great as these 1255 00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:58,371 in one pursuit of UFO truth 1256 00:57:58,405 --> 00:57:59,579 in the history of the world. 1257 00:57:59,614 --> 00:58:02,548 This board that he put together, 1258 00:58:02,582 --> 00:58:06,034 the make up of this board, some of their names 1259 00:58:06,068 --> 00:58:07,069 still are not public. 1260 00:58:07,104 --> 00:58:10,728 They don't want it to hurt their careers 1261 00:58:10,763 --> 00:58:12,661 But, man, it's an amazing group of people. 1262 00:58:12,696 --> 00:58:14,007 And I've been there. 1263 00:58:14,042 --> 00:58:15,733 And they don't come in with an agenda. 1264 00:58:15,768 --> 00:58:19,496 They weren't there to create their own flying saucer fleet. 1265 00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:20,704 The idea was 1266 00:58:20,738 --> 00:58:23,707 they devout their time, their own time, 1267 00:58:23,741 --> 00:58:25,329 to pursuing the UFO truth. 1268 00:58:25,363 --> 00:58:26,503 Because they thought 1269 00:58:26,537 --> 00:58:28,228 there's something important going on here. 1270 00:58:28,263 --> 00:58:31,024 It's worth spending our time 1271 00:58:31,059 --> 00:58:32,992 to pursue this. 1272 00:58:33,026 --> 00:58:35,512 And they gave a lot. 1273 00:58:35,546 --> 00:58:36,685 Volunteered a lot. 1274 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,067 And no one gave more than Bigelow. 1275 00:58:39,101 --> 00:58:41,621 And no one has been beaten up more than Bigelow 1276 00:58:41,656 --> 00:58:42,553 because of it. 1277 00:58:42,588 --> 00:58:44,279 It's ridiculous. 1278 00:58:44,313 --> 00:58:46,799 [Jeremy] Is there something that has shaken Bigelow? 1279 00:58:46,833 --> 00:58:49,491 Or shaken you about the ranch? 1280 00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:53,150 Bob's interest in the ranch was primarily an interest in UFOs. 1281 00:58:53,184 --> 00:58:54,427 He bought the place 1282 00:58:54,461 --> 00:58:57,603 because people had been seeing UFOs. 1283 00:58:57,637 --> 00:59:00,640 You know, the flying saucers, traditional UFO stuff. 1284 00:59:00,675 --> 00:59:01,883 That was his interest. 1285 00:59:01,917 --> 00:59:03,712 But, of course, as he learned, 1286 00:59:03,747 --> 00:59:05,507 as he and his team learned, 1287 00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:07,233 there's a lot more to it than that. 1288 00:59:07,267 --> 00:59:10,547 They had no idea what they were getting I think. 1289 00:59:10,581 --> 00:59:11,720 When they bought the place, 1290 00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:13,653 they heard bits and pieces, here and there. 1291 00:59:13,688 --> 00:59:16,173 They interviewed the family and heard these stories 1292 00:59:16,207 --> 00:59:19,590 But, I don't think, they could possibly imagine 1293 00:59:19,625 --> 00:59:20,867 how far it would go. 1294 00:59:20,902 --> 00:59:23,732 Have there been experiences there that have shaken 1295 00:59:23,767 --> 00:59:25,216 the people involved? 1296 00:59:25,251 --> 00:59:26,355 Absolutely. 1297 00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:28,944 And I think Bob Bigelow would be included in that. 1298 00:59:30,014 --> 00:59:31,257 I can't tell you. 1299 00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:32,741 I can't tell you what it is 1300 00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:34,709 but I can tell you, he's had, 1301 00:59:34,743 --> 00:59:38,264 he's had some dramatic episodes 1302 00:59:38,298 --> 00:59:40,922 that have convinced him that something is real. 1303 00:59:40,956 --> 00:59:44,753 And his team has had those episodes. 1304 00:59:44,788 --> 00:59:47,273 I mean, these are PhD level guys 1305 00:59:48,067 --> 00:59:48,964 who have worked for 1306 00:59:48,999 --> 00:59:52,278 every three letter agency you can imagine. 1307 00:59:52,312 --> 00:59:54,936 Who are there because they wanna know what's going on. 1308 00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:58,249 They've worked for the Pentagon, and CIA, and other agencies, 1309 00:59:58,284 --> 00:59:59,630 and in scientific think-tanks. 1310 00:59:59,665 --> 01:00:02,460 Bright, PhD level people 1311 01:00:02,495 --> 01:00:04,497 who are there investigating this mystery 1312 01:00:04,531 --> 01:00:06,016 and it has scared the shit out of them. 1313 01:00:06,050 --> 01:00:08,570 I mean, it's confronted them directly. 1314 01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:11,021 It's one thing to be reading about UFOs 1315 01:00:11,055 --> 01:00:15,335 or other realities or interdimensionals in a book. 1316 01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:16,440 It's another thing, 1317 01:00:16,474 --> 01:00:18,131 to be staring at it right in the face 1318 01:00:18,166 --> 01:00:20,893 and for it to be communicating with you and telling you, 1319 01:00:20,927 --> 01:00:22,411 "Get out. You're not welcome." 1320 01:00:22,446 --> 01:00:23,620 And that's happened there. 1321 01:00:28,452 --> 01:00:31,006 [Jeremy] In 1978, a local newspaper 1322 01:00:31,041 --> 01:00:33,906 reported high activity in the Uintah Basin. 1323 01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:37,150 Silver dome shaped objects were seen. 1324 01:00:37,185 --> 01:00:38,876 Flying saucers. 1325 01:00:38,911 --> 01:00:41,430 Some witnesses observing the display 1326 01:00:41,465 --> 01:00:43,260 from close proximity. 1327 01:00:43,294 --> 01:00:45,400 From underneath the craft. 1328 01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:47,678 UFOs were buzzing the locals 1329 01:00:47,713 --> 01:00:50,439 with jagged green lights like fire. 1330 01:00:56,687 --> 01:00:58,551 Nothing really changes. 1331 01:00:58,585 --> 01:00:59,725 It's constant. 1332 01:00:59,759 --> 01:01:01,796 The phenomenon is engaging people. 1333 01:01:01,830 --> 01:01:03,970 It's a pattern of close encounters. 1334 01:01:04,626 --> 01:01:06,248 It's commonplace. 1335 01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:13,359 People hunt because scientists investigate the carnage. 1336 01:01:13,393 --> 01:01:16,327 The NIDS team tried to quantify the performances. 1337 01:01:25,958 --> 01:01:28,650 They created controlled studies for plant growth. 1338 01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:30,756 They monitored the environment. 1339 01:01:30,790 --> 01:01:32,930 They calculated the barrier rules. 1340 01:01:34,656 --> 01:01:36,762 They analyzed every event. 1341 01:01:37,624 --> 01:01:39,074 But mostly, they waited 1342 01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:42,043 for the phenomenon to express itself. 1343 01:01:42,077 --> 01:01:44,355 And the phenomenon seemed to toy with them. 1344 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:46,530 To play games with them. 1345 01:01:46,564 --> 01:01:50,637 Silence followed by dramatic displays of control. 1346 01:01:50,672 --> 01:01:51,846 It did what it wanted. 1347 01:01:54,331 --> 01:01:55,470 It does what it wants 1348 01:01:57,783 --> 01:01:59,198 to anybody. 1349 01:02:04,651 --> 01:02:08,000 -[Jeremy] What's your name? -My name is Janice Poowegup. 1350 01:02:08,034 --> 01:02:11,313 And where do you live in relation to Skinwalker ranch? 1351 01:02:11,348 --> 01:02:14,627 [Janice] I just live west of Skinwalker ranch. 1352 01:02:14,661 --> 01:02:16,905 [Jeremy] What was that exact moment 1353 01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,770 when you transitioned from being skeptical 1354 01:02:19,805 --> 01:02:22,221 and a non-believer to being a believer? 1355 01:02:22,255 --> 01:02:24,223 [man] Yeah. Describe the incident itself. 1356 01:02:24,257 --> 01:02:28,779 The four Heifers were in the north field and I could hear them bellowing 1357 01:02:28,814 --> 01:02:30,574 But we couldn't figure out where they were. 1358 01:02:30,608 --> 01:02:31,782 My bright idea was, 1359 01:02:31,817 --> 01:02:33,888 well, let's get the spotlight... At nighttime, 1360 01:02:33,922 --> 01:02:35,165 let's get that spotlight 1361 01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:38,962 and we'll go through the tree line like this. 1362 01:02:38,996 --> 01:02:40,446 You have to see eyes. 1363 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,726 That'll give us a general idea of where they're at at night, 1364 01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:46,797 so we can set up panels 1365 01:02:46,832 --> 01:02:48,903 and run them back over to the house. 1366 01:02:49,835 --> 01:02:51,871 So we're going... They were bellowing, 1367 01:02:51,906 --> 01:02:53,114 but I could see nothing. 1368 01:02:53,148 --> 01:02:55,254 So I turned it on, I said, okay, let's listen. 1369 01:02:55,288 --> 01:02:57,808 When I went let's listen, that's when that light 1370 01:02:57,843 --> 01:02:59,741 it came clear from the sky. 1371 01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:02,675 And then hit, like this. 1372 01:03:02,709 --> 01:03:04,159 And it lit up the whole truck. 1373 01:03:04,194 --> 01:03:06,610 [Interviewer 1] And it physically hit you, the light? 1374 01:03:06,644 --> 01:03:10,545 Yeah, it literally came down in, 1375 01:03:10,579 --> 01:03:11,995 and lit up everything. 1376 01:03:12,029 --> 01:03:14,860 I was like, "Wait a minute." 1377 01:03:14,894 --> 01:03:17,794 And I turned back, and I said, "That's not possible. 1378 01:03:17,828 --> 01:03:19,865 That is not possible." 1379 01:03:19,899 --> 01:03:22,902 And that's when I started, like, 1380 01:03:22,937 --> 01:03:24,870 "Something's here, and it's real." 1381 01:03:25,698 --> 01:03:27,286 And I just got a eyeopener. 1382 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,391 'Cause I was a non-believer before that. 1383 01:03:29,426 --> 01:03:31,980 So that was the experience that changed it for you, 1384 01:03:32,015 --> 01:03:33,188 -where you realized... -Mm-hmm. 1385 01:03:40,264 --> 01:03:41,127 [sobbing] 1386 01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:44,337 I'm sorry. [sniffles] 1387 01:03:54,209 --> 01:03:57,488 [Woman] I just couldn't go on for a minute. 1388 01:03:57,523 --> 01:03:58,938 Forgive me. [EXHALES] 1389 01:03:58,973 --> 01:04:01,320 Thank you. [SNIFFLES] 1390 01:04:01,354 --> 01:04:02,873 What's overwhelming? 1391 01:04:02,908 --> 01:04:06,877 'Cause my neighbor, um, Charlie Wynn... 1392 01:04:06,912 --> 01:04:08,051 [sniffles] 1393 01:04:10,881 --> 01:04:13,125 After that 1394 01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,645 big mothership, or whatever you wanna call it, or, 1395 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,269 I don't know. [sniffles] 1396 01:04:19,303 --> 01:04:22,824 He'd stop by, every day, on his way home from work. 1397 01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:26,552 His face was so red. 1398 01:04:28,795 --> 01:04:31,074 I couldn't believe it. 1399 01:04:31,108 --> 01:04:33,214 When I looked up, he said that 1400 01:04:33,248 --> 01:04:36,113 light hit me, it scared the shit out of me so bad, 1401 01:04:36,148 --> 01:04:38,840 he said, "I was crawling in the ditch," 1402 01:04:38,875 --> 01:04:40,635 to get that water to... 1403 01:04:42,464 --> 01:04:44,225 cool him off. 1404 01:04:44,259 --> 01:04:46,503 He got cancer, and it killed him, 1405 01:04:46,537 --> 01:04:49,264 [stuttering] and I was... I wonder if it was from that. 1406 01:04:49,299 --> 01:04:52,440 'Cause, I mean, you could... 1407 01:04:52,474 --> 01:04:57,859 It was like, you know how somebody has like a real bad burn, and it's just, 1408 01:04:57,894 --> 01:05:00,413 so red and deep. 1409 01:05:01,725 --> 01:05:04,279 [Interviewer 1] This is something that is really important 1410 01:05:04,314 --> 01:05:08,111 for this whole story. This phenomena. 1411 01:05:08,145 --> 01:05:11,977 So, can you just tell me what that wave of emotion was? 1412 01:05:12,011 --> 01:05:15,256 My son was diagnosed just last year, and, 1413 01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:20,123 it's hard to deal with it because that's your baby, you know, and... 1414 01:05:20,157 --> 01:05:22,884 when it first started out, it was like, 1415 01:05:22,919 --> 01:05:26,163 I was hitting brick walls. [sniffles] 1416 01:05:26,198 --> 01:05:30,133 And I'm like, "Lord, you know I'm not the perfect person." 1417 01:05:30,167 --> 01:05:34,206 [sniffles] But, why? 1418 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,071 -[Interviewer 1] Do you fear that the phenomenon... -[sniffles] 1419 01:05:37,105 --> 01:05:39,280 has something to do with these illnesses? 1420 01:05:39,314 --> 01:05:42,214 Like, with your son and your friends? 1421 01:05:42,248 --> 01:05:44,906 It kind of makes me believe because, 1422 01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:48,565 like I said, my son was strong as a bull. 1423 01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:51,809 [Interviewer 1] So there is a element of fear for the ones you love. 1424 01:05:51,844 --> 01:05:53,363 Yeah. 1425 01:05:53,397 --> 01:05:55,779 [Interviewer 1] That there is a, a malevolence to it, you know, 1426 01:05:55,813 --> 01:05:59,024 and evil, that seems to be attacking 1427 01:05:59,058 --> 01:06:01,992 -the health of those you love. -Yeah. 1428 01:06:02,027 --> 01:06:04,201 That... That is something you believe to be true? 1429 01:06:04,236 --> 01:06:05,478 Yes. 1430 01:06:05,513 --> 01:06:08,240 [Interviewer 2] Have all the people, have been exposed 1431 01:06:08,274 --> 01:06:10,414 -to some kind of experience? -Yeah. 1432 01:06:10,449 --> 01:06:13,452 [Interviewer 1] What question is it that you would like answered? 1433 01:06:13,486 --> 01:06:15,833 What answer are you looking to find? 1434 01:06:15,868 --> 01:06:20,217 Is it really real or is it some kind of, the government's building? 1435 01:06:22,668 --> 01:06:24,842 Is it really 1436 01:06:24,877 --> 01:06:29,088 like an entity or beings or... 1437 01:06:29,123 --> 01:06:32,057 Is it real or is it government made-up? 1438 01:06:33,541 --> 01:06:34,749 [Interviewer 2] What do you think? 1439 01:06:37,476 --> 01:06:38,615 I think it's real. 1440 01:06:50,489 --> 01:06:54,355 [Narrator] A beast prowls the darkness outside of Skinwalker ranch. 1441 01:06:54,389 --> 01:06:56,253 It's Lucy, the wonder dog. 1442 01:06:56,288 --> 01:06:58,807 She made the long drive with us to the Uintah Basin 1443 01:06:58,842 --> 01:07:02,466 in part because Lucy can see and hear things that we can't. 1444 01:07:02,501 --> 01:07:08,162 The same reason as the NIDS team relied on dogs during the long study of the ranch. 1445 01:07:08,196 --> 01:07:11,717 Dogs were considered to be friends as well as biosensors, 1446 01:07:11,751 --> 01:07:16,308 able to detect unusual activity beyond the range of human sensors. 1447 01:07:16,342 --> 01:07:19,069 Soon after Robert Bigelow purchased the property, 1448 01:07:19,104 --> 01:07:23,246 the NIDS team built observation towers in three pastures, 1449 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,352 with sturdy metal fences around each tower. 1450 01:07:26,387 --> 01:07:29,666 On many nights, dogs were stationed inside the fences. 1451 01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:35,706 The construction of those, uh, dog runs on the... on the, um, 1452 01:07:35,741 --> 01:07:40,090 the viewing platforms also was kind of like a communication thing. 1453 01:07:40,125 --> 01:07:42,679 The idea was to put dogs in the dog runs 1454 01:07:42,713 --> 01:07:45,475 who... who are extremely good biosensors. 1455 01:07:45,509 --> 01:07:48,616 They would alert the humans, but at the same time, 1456 01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:51,101 um, during the construction of these dog runs, 1457 01:07:51,136 --> 01:07:54,863 there was a whole bunch of anomalies happened at these dog runs. 1458 01:07:54,898 --> 01:07:58,902 [Narrator] An unknown trickster kept opening the gates and letting the dogs loose. 1459 01:07:58,936 --> 01:08:02,319 Perplexed, NIDS secured the gates with thick wire. 1460 01:08:02,354 --> 01:08:05,840 The wire vanished. Then they installed strong padlocks. 1461 01:08:05,874 --> 01:08:07,773 The padlocks disappeared. 1462 01:08:07,807 --> 01:08:09,361 Gates were left open. 1463 01:08:09,395 --> 01:08:12,364 Um, the... the locks were gone. 1464 01:08:12,398 --> 01:08:15,884 [stuttering] There was a whole, there was like, eight, I think seven or eight 1465 01:08:15,919 --> 01:08:21,131 separate incidents that happened at several of these dog runs just after construction. 1466 01:08:21,166 --> 01:08:22,995 And if you wanted to read a message into that, 1467 01:08:23,029 --> 01:08:26,274 you could say the same sort of thing that, you know, these, 1468 01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:28,897 these measures are essentially useless. 1469 01:08:28,932 --> 01:08:30,416 They can be interfered with. 1470 01:08:30,451 --> 01:08:33,626 They can be compromised, they can be screwed with. 1471 01:08:33,661 --> 01:08:35,456 And there's nothing that you can do about it. 1472 01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:38,010 [Narrator] Kelleher and the NIDS team were initially optimistic 1473 01:08:38,044 --> 01:08:41,669 after Robert Bigelow bought the so-called UFO Ranch, 1474 01:08:41,703 --> 01:08:44,499 the team brought in its own double-wide command center, 1475 01:08:44,534 --> 01:08:47,571 installed surveillance cameras and other sensors 1476 01:08:47,606 --> 01:08:51,851 and tried to find prosaic explanations for the wild stories. 1477 01:08:51,886 --> 01:08:54,889 They surveyed the basin for geomagnetic anomalies, 1478 01:08:54,923 --> 01:08:58,030 searched the property for hallucinogenic plants, 1479 01:08:58,064 --> 01:09:02,724 interviewed the family, their neighbors and a wide circle of other eyewitnesses. 1480 01:09:02,759 --> 01:09:05,969 There's a lot of people interested in this stuff and you get a lot of calls. 1481 01:09:06,003 --> 01:09:10,007 [Narrator] The scientists on the team were not there to confirm local myths. 1482 01:09:10,042 --> 01:09:14,357 NIDS was designed to be a high-risk, high-payoff institute. 1483 01:09:14,391 --> 01:09:16,669 Quite a high risk for the topic we were after. 1484 01:09:16,704 --> 01:09:20,501 That ranch, uh, I think was the epitome of what we were after. 1485 01:09:20,535 --> 01:09:23,504 Like I said, it was a living laboratory, uh, 1486 01:09:23,538 --> 01:09:26,231 that we could set-up and control the conditions. 1487 01:09:26,265 --> 01:09:28,854 We can rigorously monitor the environment. 1488 01:09:28,888 --> 01:09:31,305 We can rigorously attempt to monitor the phenomenon 1489 01:09:31,339 --> 01:09:34,204 as it moved within that environment out there at that ranch. 1490 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:35,895 [Narrator] Physicist Dr. Eric Davis, 1491 01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:39,105 who has worked for military think-tanks and prominent labs, 1492 01:09:39,140 --> 01:09:42,730 was skeptical about UFO tales and spooky stories 1493 01:09:42,764 --> 01:09:45,560 until he made his first visit to the ranch. 1494 01:09:45,595 --> 01:09:48,701 That's when he and others witnessed an orange globe 1495 01:09:48,736 --> 01:09:50,565 that turned blue, then landed. 1496 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,911 There happened to be a clear orange ball, 1497 01:09:51,946 --> 01:09:54,086 and then a mist would appear and it'd be blue again, 1498 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,676 and so forth. And it alternated this way until finally, 1499 01:09:57,710 --> 01:10:01,266 uh, descended below the background mountains and it descended in... 1500 01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:03,095 Now, when I mean below, I mean the mountain tops. 1501 01:10:03,129 --> 01:10:04,786 It didn't descend behind the mountains. 1502 01:10:04,821 --> 01:10:06,685 It descended in front of the mountains. 1503 01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:10,136 [Narrator] That sighting occurred before NIDS installed its camera system. 1504 01:10:10,171 --> 01:10:13,209 But even with cameras positioned around the property, 1505 01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:14,796 the phenomena proved elusive. 1506 01:10:14,831 --> 01:10:20,112 We had cameras that were recording data on a continuous basis. 1507 01:10:20,146 --> 01:10:23,184 Uh, frequently, things would happen just off the camera. 1508 01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:25,013 Like it knew where you're looking, 1509 01:10:25,048 --> 01:10:28,189 says, "Okay, we'll do this where you're not looking." 1510 01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:31,710 [Narrator] The cameras did catch perplexing images over the years. 1511 01:10:31,744 --> 01:10:35,196 Darting orbs that seemed under intelligent control. 1512 01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:39,994 A fan-shaped ray of lights recorded more than once near the bottom of the ridge. 1513 01:10:40,028 --> 01:10:44,205 Something resembling an aircraft contrail that emanated from the ground. 1514 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,657 And this, the ghostly silhouettes of structures 1515 01:10:47,691 --> 01:10:50,867 that reminded the team of New York's Twin Towers. 1516 01:10:50,901 --> 01:10:53,318 The images are evidence, but of what? 1517 01:10:53,352 --> 01:10:59,393 By 1998, the NIDS team already had 78 incidents from the vicinity of the ranch. 1518 01:10:59,427 --> 01:11:03,293 Including 11 nuts and bolts structured craft reports. 1519 01:11:03,328 --> 01:11:06,054 As well as a few dozen orbs of different colors. 1520 01:11:06,089 --> 01:11:10,542 And another that sliced the tops off several trees in the third homestead. 1521 01:11:10,576 --> 01:11:13,821 The ranchers showed the damage to Ryan Layton, and joked, 1522 01:11:13,855 --> 01:11:15,754 it must have been a case of pilot error. 1523 01:11:15,788 --> 01:11:19,930 Uh, the top part of the trees were kind of, almost squared out. 1524 01:11:19,965 --> 01:11:21,484 Almost like in a square. 1525 01:11:21,518 --> 01:11:24,107 And those are probably 1526 01:11:24,141 --> 01:11:27,835 well, maybe 80 to 100 feet tall cottonwood trees, and uh, 1527 01:11:27,869 --> 01:11:33,461 the branches were probably say, 40 to 50-60 feet. 1528 01:11:34,048 --> 01:11:35,670 Some of the branches, 1529 01:11:35,705 --> 01:11:38,397 very lengthy, and they were on the ground, and they had broken off. 1530 01:11:38,432 --> 01:11:39,950 [Narrator] That same section of the property 1531 01:11:39,985 --> 01:11:42,125 is where the rancher saw his first UFO. 1532 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,370 He initially thought it might be a wayward Winnebago 1533 01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:47,475 that somehow got onto his property. 1534 01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:50,444 It was shaped like a refrigerator, like box-shaped, 1535 01:11:50,478 --> 01:11:52,860 with a light on one end of it. 1536 01:11:52,894 --> 01:11:56,104 When he first saw it in the distance, he was with his nephew. 1537 01:11:56,139 --> 01:11:59,211 And, um, it was, 1538 01:11:59,245 --> 01:12:01,213 it was dark but he saw the light 1539 01:12:01,247 --> 01:12:02,766 and he presumed that they were hunters, 1540 01:12:02,801 --> 01:12:04,596 or they were somebody trespassing on his property. 1541 01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:09,186 So, he and his nephew started walking towards it. 1542 01:12:09,221 --> 01:12:13,501 It started moving slowly away from where they were walking, 1543 01:12:13,536 --> 01:12:17,643 and, um, this all happened further, further east of here. 1544 01:12:17,678 --> 01:12:20,094 But the thing started clearing a fence, 1545 01:12:20,128 --> 01:12:24,029 and that's when they, they began to think something unusual was happening. 1546 01:12:24,063 --> 01:12:27,204 And they couldn't actually see the shape of it until 1547 01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:28,551 they kept on pursuing it, 1548 01:12:28,585 --> 01:12:30,898 and then it went over a tree line. 1549 01:12:30,932 --> 01:12:33,038 [Interviewer] So an RV that goes over a tree line? 1550 01:12:33,072 --> 01:12:36,904 Yeah, it actually went over the tree line, and as it was silhouetted against the sky, 1551 01:12:36,938 --> 01:12:38,215 they saw the shape of it. 1552 01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:41,978 It was like a, like a refrigerator, flying refrigerator. 1553 01:12:42,012 --> 01:12:43,842 And it was completely silent. 1554 01:12:43,876 --> 01:12:47,293 [Narrator] Ground zero for odd sightings was always the middle homestead. 1555 01:12:47,328 --> 01:12:52,091 At nights, lights and orbs could be seen floating through the creaky old buildings. 1556 01:12:52,126 --> 01:12:56,751 It's also where the rancher had multiple sightings of the most puzzling object. 1557 01:12:56,786 --> 01:12:59,167 An orange, glowing hole in the sky. 1558 01:12:59,202 --> 01:13:04,345 Gorman told Kelleher and others the orange ball seemed to be a portal. 1559 01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:07,175 And on the other side, was a quote "different sky." 1560 01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:10,869 On at least one occasion, the rancher saw a smaller object 1561 01:13:10,903 --> 01:13:15,149 fly out of the orange orb, into the sky over his property. 1562 01:13:15,183 --> 01:13:19,429 The exotic possibility that the ranch might be a portal to another world 1563 01:13:19,464 --> 01:13:23,191 has occurred many times to the NIDS team. But how to prove it? 1564 01:13:23,226 --> 01:13:27,195 In August 1996, the portal theory erupted again 1565 01:13:27,230 --> 01:13:29,059 in a stark demonstration. 1566 01:13:29,094 --> 01:13:33,788 The rancher and an investigator were conducting a night surveillance atop the ridges. 1567 01:13:33,823 --> 01:13:37,033 They spotted a hovering ball of light in the middle homestead. 1568 01:13:37,067 --> 01:13:40,450 An object that was seen four feet off the ground. 1569 01:13:40,485 --> 01:13:45,351 Um, it looked like a, a dull yellow light. 1570 01:13:45,386 --> 01:13:46,836 I mean, it was innocuous. 1571 01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:49,632 hovering over the road, it just appeared out of nowhere. 1572 01:13:49,666 --> 01:13:54,671 And then it begins to expand and grow and then it opens up into about approximately 1573 01:13:54,706 --> 01:13:56,121 three-foot wide opening. 1574 01:13:56,155 --> 01:13:59,711 As they turned on the night vision equipment they had, 1575 01:13:59,745 --> 01:14:02,886 and lo and behold, everything from a dull yellow light 1576 01:14:02,921 --> 01:14:06,131 became like a three-dimensional, looked like a three-dimensional tunnel. 1577 01:14:06,165 --> 01:14:08,961 That was just, you know, hovering over the ground. 1578 01:14:08,996 --> 01:14:13,276 Where there's a light shining from, coming out from within of this opening. 1579 01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:15,934 On the other side of the opening it's just a natural background of the ranch. 1580 01:14:15,968 --> 01:14:18,695 They see the road, they see the grass from the pasture, and so forth. 1581 01:14:18,730 --> 01:14:21,318 Slowly, this incident unfolded, 1582 01:14:21,353 --> 01:14:25,184 where they saw this, what looked like a humanoid creature 1583 01:14:25,219 --> 01:14:27,670 crawling and literally elbowing 1584 01:14:27,704 --> 01:14:30,845 his or her way through this, this tunnel. 1585 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,709 Hovering four feet above the ground. 1586 01:14:32,744 --> 01:14:35,850 And out of this opening crawls a very large, 1587 01:14:35,885 --> 01:14:38,266 what I understood to be an eight-foot tall 1588 01:14:38,301 --> 01:14:42,478 black creature with a head and no neck, and a torso, arms and legs. 1589 01:14:42,512 --> 01:14:44,480 No details or features noted on it. 1590 01:14:44,514 --> 01:14:46,689 There was a second witness standing right beside 1591 01:14:46,723 --> 01:14:48,932 the other guy with the infrared technology. 1592 01:14:48,967 --> 01:14:52,660 All he could see was a dull yellow light 1593 01:14:52,695 --> 01:14:54,869 that expanded to about four feet in diameter. 1594 01:14:54,904 --> 01:14:58,045 It just, literally, grabbed the outside edges of this opening, 1595 01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:01,358 pulled itself through, came out, stepped on to the dirt road, 1596 01:15:01,393 --> 01:15:02,739 and ran off into the darkness. 1597 01:15:02,774 --> 01:15:05,535 The creature stood up, 1598 01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:09,263 once it got out onto the ground, and walked away into the darkness. 1599 01:15:09,297 --> 01:15:12,438 I mean, can you imagine two people on the top of a cliff, 1600 01:15:12,473 --> 01:15:18,444 or, a, sort of a, a bluff, 150 feet off the ground, and in the middle of nowhere. 1601 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,828 And, uh, then the opening began to shrink and collapse in on itself, 1602 01:15:22,863 --> 01:15:25,141 and turned into a brilliant light that just faded away. 1603 01:15:25,175 --> 01:15:29,594 That's a perfect description that was given by Matt Vizer and John Kramer 1604 01:15:29,628 --> 01:15:32,424 and Bob Forward and other colleagues of theirs 1605 01:15:32,458 --> 01:15:37,049 in a physical review paper on the optical nature of wormholes. 1606 01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:40,294 I mean, that is not, I would say, military technology. 1607 01:15:40,328 --> 01:15:41,847 That's some kind of a phenomena, 1608 01:15:41,882 --> 01:15:45,299 that has, it smacks of inter-dimensional phenomena. 1609 01:15:55,551 --> 01:15:59,555 [Narrator] Tribal elders believe this ridge is a path used by the Skinwalker 1610 01:15:59,589 --> 01:16:02,834 as it moves from one place to another. 1611 01:16:02,868 --> 01:16:05,733 The question becomes, where does it live? 1612 01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:11,739 The answer, according to the tribe, is Dark Canyon. 1613 01:16:11,774 --> 01:16:14,431 A place steeped in legend and superstition, 1614 01:16:14,466 --> 01:16:18,781 dominated by tall pines and spirits from other realities. 1615 01:16:19,816 --> 01:16:21,611 With the help of our Uintah friends, 1616 01:16:21,646 --> 01:16:23,717 we obtained something rarely given. 1617 01:16:23,751 --> 01:16:26,305 Permission from the tribe to bring our cameras 1618 01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:28,342 into the heart of Dark Canyon. 1619 01:16:29,446 --> 01:16:32,518 We soon found that the name fits. 1620 01:16:32,553 --> 01:16:35,073 While there, we heard encounter tales 1621 01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:38,559 from a young woman named Shelby. 1622 01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:42,598 [Shelby] It was reflective, and the reflection over light was what caught my eye. 1623 01:16:42,632 --> 01:16:47,361 As we were watching the hikers come up and over the mountain, 1624 01:16:47,395 --> 01:16:49,018 up in the corner, 1625 01:16:49,052 --> 01:16:50,536 like in the crook of the mountain, 1626 01:16:50,571 --> 01:16:52,331 there was a saucer that had come up 1627 01:16:52,366 --> 01:16:54,610 and over and down and back down, 1628 01:16:54,644 --> 01:16:57,267 and I tried pointing it out to her 1629 01:16:57,302 --> 01:16:59,062 and she was too late, but, 1630 01:16:59,097 --> 01:17:01,513 -[Interviewer 1] The saucer? -Yeah. 1631 01:17:01,547 --> 01:17:04,654 Yeah, it was pretty significant in size. 1632 01:17:04,689 --> 01:17:07,277 [Interviewer 1] Classic flying saucer? 1633 01:17:07,312 --> 01:17:09,901 [Shelby] I don't think there was anyone else in my family 1634 01:17:09,935 --> 01:17:13,352 who was willing to admit what goes on. 1635 01:17:13,387 --> 01:17:15,734 [Interviewer 1] Is this the kind of thing that runs in the family? 1636 01:17:16,666 --> 01:17:19,393 For me and my mother, it does. 1637 01:17:19,427 --> 01:17:22,016 You think it's because you and your mother are open to this? 1638 01:17:22,051 --> 01:17:23,846 I don't necessarily think we're open to it. 1639 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:25,537 I think that it comes to us. 1640 01:17:25,571 --> 01:17:27,608 [Interviewer 2] Is this your first time talking about it publicly? 1641 01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:28,678 Yeah. 1642 01:17:28,713 --> 01:17:31,025 Are you worried about the reaction? 1643 01:17:31,060 --> 01:17:33,683 I am, just because of my profession. 1644 01:17:33,718 --> 01:17:38,274 I... I worry that it's gonna follow me, and... 1645 01:17:38,308 --> 01:17:40,103 [Interviewer 1] You work in public education. 1646 01:17:40,138 --> 01:17:43,969 So I guess you have to worry what will my employer think about it? 1647 01:17:44,245 --> 01:17:46,006 Yeah. 1648 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,836 [Interviewer 2] You ever told your... Anybody you work with that you had experiences 1649 01:17:48,871 --> 01:17:51,011 -that we'll discuss? -I have. 1650 01:17:51,045 --> 01:17:53,703 Everybody has a... Their story. 1651 01:17:55,222 --> 01:17:58,294 A lot of the times, with my experiences, I've, 1652 01:17:58,328 --> 01:18:01,573 I put them on a shelf and I don't like to think about them 1653 01:18:01,607 --> 01:18:04,265 or revisit them because they've, 1654 01:18:05,335 --> 01:18:08,545 impacted, or I try not to let them impact me. 1655 01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:14,241 I'm so disassociated with it that I don't, I don't think about it. 1656 01:18:14,275 --> 01:18:17,244 [echoing] I think that's something that I've repressed. 1657 01:18:17,278 --> 01:18:19,108 [Interviewer 2] You have a missing time experience? 1658 01:18:19,142 --> 01:18:20,212 [Shelby] I do. 1659 01:18:20,247 --> 01:18:21,179 [Interviewer 2] Can you share that? 1660 01:18:21,213 --> 01:18:25,252 I woke up around 1 o'clock, and I remember 1661 01:18:25,286 --> 01:18:28,807 that I sat up. I remember being aware of what I was doing, 1662 01:18:28,842 --> 01:18:32,293 but not having control over what I was doing. 1663 01:18:32,328 --> 01:18:36,884 And I got out of bed, and I walked into the living room dining area, 1664 01:18:36,919 --> 01:18:43,719 and I looked to their, um, to their, 1665 01:18:43,753 --> 01:18:46,963 their window that was, that oversaw their dining room table, 1666 01:18:46,998 --> 01:18:50,449 and I remember seeing two bright spot lights. 1667 01:18:50,484 --> 01:18:54,039 And, next thing I remember was, I was facing the opposite direction, 1668 01:18:54,074 --> 01:18:56,179 more towards their stove, looking at their clock. 1669 01:18:56,214 --> 01:19:00,943 And, at that time, it was 8 o'clock, and I went back to bed, and... 1670 01:19:00,977 --> 01:19:03,117 -[Interviewer 2] So five or six hours had passed? -Yeah. 1671 01:19:03,152 --> 01:19:05,361 And you're standing, looking at a stove? 1672 01:19:05,395 --> 01:19:06,569 Yeah. 1673 01:19:06,603 --> 01:19:08,605 -And you don't know how-- -I don't know how I got there. 1674 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,850 [Interviewer 1] Tell us a little bit about the nature of the light, how bright? 1675 01:19:14,025 --> 01:19:19,478 I remember it illuminating the entire area. 1676 01:19:19,513 --> 01:19:22,412 [Interviewer 1] How bright? What was the nature of the light? 1677 01:19:22,447 --> 01:19:23,793 Undescribable. 1678 01:19:23,828 --> 01:19:25,139 -It was-- -[Interviewer 1] How would you describe as bright? 1679 01:19:25,174 --> 01:19:30,317 It was brighter. It was, I can't even, 1680 01:19:30,351 --> 01:19:33,078 describe to you. Like, no LED, no flashlight 1681 01:19:33,113 --> 01:19:36,772 nothing can compare to the brightness of those lights, 1682 01:19:36,806 --> 01:19:40,258 and to the whiteness of the lights. 1683 01:19:40,292 --> 01:19:43,813 [Interviewer 1] Brighter than the sun, it's like nothing we've seen before. 1684 01:19:43,848 --> 01:19:46,229 These experiences, have they changed you? 1685 01:19:49,646 --> 01:19:51,476 I think so. 1686 01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:54,479 [Interviewer 1] What's it about this area, the basin? 1687 01:19:54,513 --> 01:19:57,723 Or is it the tribe? Is it the people who live here 1688 01:19:57,758 --> 01:20:00,278 that attracts all this different stuff? 1689 01:20:00,312 --> 01:20:01,866 -I don't know. -Or is it everywhere? 1690 01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:03,695 I don't know. I don't have a clue. 1691 01:20:03,729 --> 01:20:06,042 [Interviewer 1] Some people call them, they were referred to as hitchhikers. 1692 01:20:06,077 --> 01:20:07,595 That these things follow you around. 1693 01:20:07,630 --> 01:20:11,013 [Shelby] From my own experiences, if you invite something, 1694 01:20:11,047 --> 01:20:13,636 it will come and it will become attached to you. 1695 01:20:13,670 --> 01:20:16,812 And it'll stay attached until you tell it to leave. 1696 01:20:24,026 --> 01:20:25,993 The unfortunate thing is, this weird phenomena 1697 01:20:26,028 --> 01:20:27,857 is not amenable to laboratory testing. 1698 01:20:27,892 --> 01:20:29,652 Where we can control the conditions. 1699 01:20:29,686 --> 01:20:31,757 We thought we could. We attempted to. 1700 01:20:31,792 --> 01:20:34,795 We tried as much as we could within the boundaries of our budget, 1701 01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:37,108 to control conditions, and it turned out, 1702 01:20:37,142 --> 01:20:39,282 the phenomenon controlled us, and controlled itself. 1703 01:20:39,317 --> 01:20:42,251 It basically did everything it could to avoid us, absolutely. 1704 01:20:42,285 --> 01:20:45,012 It did not want to engage in or interact with that much 1705 01:20:45,047 --> 01:20:47,221 after the first year and a half. 1706 01:20:47,256 --> 01:20:49,741 That we were there working on that property. 1707 01:20:49,775 --> 01:20:53,469 That phenomena, I am sure was cognizant of our presence there. 1708 01:20:53,503 --> 01:20:56,886 And basically did not want to allow us to detect it. 1709 01:20:56,921 --> 01:20:59,268 Put... Record it and film it in any form or fashion. 1710 01:20:59,302 --> 01:21:01,028 [Narrator] Like the investigators who tried to crack 1711 01:21:01,063 --> 01:21:02,961 the mysteries of the ranch, 1712 01:21:02,996 --> 01:21:05,964 physicist Dr. Eric Davis became frustrated 1713 01:21:05,999 --> 01:21:08,484 by the elusive nature of the target. 1714 01:21:08,518 --> 01:21:12,281 Dr. John Alexander, the former Army intelligence officer, 1715 01:21:12,315 --> 01:21:15,836 coined the term precognitive symbiant intelligence 1716 01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:17,873 to describe the entity on the ranch. 1717 01:21:17,907 --> 01:21:21,221 Precognitive because it could anticipate what came next. 1718 01:21:21,255 --> 01:21:23,913 One of the things that happened 1719 01:21:23,948 --> 01:21:27,468 in Uintah, at the ranch, that was very perplexing, 1720 01:21:27,503 --> 01:21:32,922 was it seemed like whatever was presenting the phenomena to us, 1721 01:21:32,957 --> 01:21:35,925 knew what we were going to do, 1722 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,271 and what was gotta be a response. 1723 01:21:37,306 --> 01:21:38,686 And we would do something different. 1724 01:21:39,929 --> 01:21:41,586 The family that lived on the property 1725 01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:44,209 felt from the beginning that it was being watched. 1726 01:21:44,244 --> 01:21:47,281 That something was pulling strings, playing tricks. 1727 01:21:47,316 --> 01:21:50,871 Of all the strange incidents that were reported on the ranch, 1728 01:21:50,906 --> 01:21:53,529 one in particular stands alone. 1729 01:21:53,563 --> 01:21:55,289 [Man] that there's a trickster element to it. 1730 01:21:55,324 --> 01:21:57,015 Yeah, there's a trickster element to it. 1731 01:21:57,050 --> 01:22:00,122 And I think the, the biggest one that really would 1732 01:22:00,156 --> 01:22:02,055 blow most people's minds, 1733 01:22:02,089 --> 01:22:04,471 scientists or anybody trying to analyze this, 1734 01:22:04,505 --> 01:22:06,714 'course it's the account of the bulls in the trailer. 1735 01:22:06,749 --> 01:22:11,202 There were four 2,000-pound bulls, in this, uh, in this 1736 01:22:11,892 --> 01:22:13,342 little corral here. 1737 01:22:13,376 --> 01:22:16,034 [Narrator] 1999, earlier in the day, 1738 01:22:16,069 --> 01:22:18,278 the rancher had come across strange tracks 1739 01:22:18,312 --> 01:22:21,867 in the dense brush on the edge of the middle homestead. 1740 01:22:21,902 --> 01:22:24,249 Tracks unlike anything he'd ever seen. 1741 01:22:24,284 --> 01:22:26,803 The family was on edge because by that point, 1742 01:22:26,838 --> 01:22:30,117 they'd lost a dozen or more head of expensive cattle. 1743 01:22:30,152 --> 01:22:32,223 They couldn't afford to lose anymore. 1744 01:22:32,257 --> 01:22:35,088 About two o'clock in the afternoon, 1745 01:22:35,122 --> 01:22:39,092 um, the rancher and his wife, uh, were driving past 1746 01:22:39,126 --> 01:22:43,889 on their way down to the west end of the property to check on their other animals. 1747 01:22:43,924 --> 01:22:47,272 So, these were their four best thoroughbred 1748 01:22:47,307 --> 01:22:52,001 uh, registered, um, Black Angus and Simmental bulls. 1749 01:22:52,036 --> 01:22:56,281 They were, like, very valuable animals, thousands of dollars each. 1750 01:22:56,316 --> 01:23:01,631 And, you know, Terri and Gwen are the rancher and his wife. 1751 01:23:01,666 --> 01:23:06,222 As they were driving past, remarked on how devastating it would be 1752 01:23:06,257 --> 01:23:09,432 to them, financially, if they lost those animals. 1753 01:23:09,467 --> 01:23:12,159 [Narrator] It was as if someone overheard their concerns. 1754 01:23:12,194 --> 01:23:15,024 When they returned to the corral an hour later... 1755 01:23:15,059 --> 01:23:18,579 and they were driving past the corral here on this track, when they realized, 1756 01:23:18,614 --> 01:23:22,445 no bulls. The bulls were gone from the corral. 1757 01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:26,070 So they panicked, you know. They, they ran over here, 1758 01:23:26,104 --> 01:23:30,350 um, searching, and, the entire corral was empty. 1759 01:23:30,384 --> 01:23:34,354 And then, just out of, out of, kind of, instinct, 1760 01:23:34,388 --> 01:23:38,944 the rancher climbed over into the corral, into this corral here, 1761 01:23:38,979 --> 01:23:40,670 and walked over to this trailer. 1762 01:23:40,705 --> 01:23:43,535 [Narrator] Trailer was used to store tools and other equipment. 1763 01:23:43,570 --> 01:23:45,158 There was only one way into it. 1764 01:23:45,192 --> 01:23:48,368 And the only latch was still secured by heavy wire. 1765 01:23:48,402 --> 01:23:50,266 Just as the rancher had left it. 1766 01:23:50,301 --> 01:23:52,027 The door was still locked. 1767 01:23:52,061 --> 01:23:57,342 This latch was actually pulled way down here. 1768 01:23:57,377 --> 01:24:00,242 It was obvious it had never been opened. 1769 01:24:00,276 --> 01:24:02,382 Um, it was pulled down here. 1770 01:24:03,141 --> 01:24:04,315 This was locked. 1771 01:24:04,349 --> 01:24:09,251 Um, this doorway here was open. 1772 01:24:09,285 --> 01:24:12,495 And, um, he looked in, and all four animals 1773 01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:15,395 were, were standing there, like totally dazed. 1774 01:24:15,429 --> 01:24:19,606 And, to work with even a single bull, 1775 01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,126 getting them into an enclosed space like this, 1776 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:23,886 would be almost impossible. 1777 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,096 To get four 2,000-pound bulls into 1778 01:24:27,131 --> 01:24:29,961 a tiny, tiny enclosed space where they were 1779 01:24:29,995 --> 01:24:31,997 squashed up against each other, 1780 01:24:32,032 --> 01:24:34,690 uh, would be completely impossible. 1781 01:24:34,724 --> 01:24:39,591 But anyway, Terri yelled, or the rancher yelled to his wife 1782 01:24:39,626 --> 01:24:42,180 that he had found the animals. And his yell 1783 01:24:42,215 --> 01:24:47,185 just seemed to wake them up out of this catatonic trance or daze they were in. 1784 01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:51,500 And suddenly, they just went ape when they realized they were in this cramped space. 1785 01:24:51,534 --> 01:24:55,193 They went crazy. They started kicking down the sides of this thing. 1786 01:24:55,228 --> 01:24:57,195 And they kicked one of the doors. 1787 01:24:57,230 --> 01:24:59,715 There is a boarded door at the other end there. 1788 01:24:59,749 --> 01:25:04,306 They kicked the door open and they, and they just went absolutely wild. 1789 01:25:04,340 --> 01:25:08,413 They destroyed the inside of this, uh, trailer in like, minutes. 1790 01:25:08,448 --> 01:25:09,759 [clears throat] Eventually, 1791 01:25:09,794 --> 01:25:12,935 it took the rancher and his wife about four hours 1792 01:25:12,969 --> 01:25:18,251 to herd the animals back, back through here, and in here. 1793 01:25:18,285 --> 01:25:21,530 And, in the space of an hour, 1794 01:25:21,564 --> 01:25:25,948 um, something had induced or forced 1795 01:25:25,982 --> 01:25:31,333 or persuaded those four extremely aggressive animals 1796 01:25:31,367 --> 01:25:34,405 [clears throat] to cram themselves into this trailer. 1797 01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,409 Without opening this door. This door was not opened. 1798 01:25:38,443 --> 01:25:41,722 Uh, because we actually checked that, to see. 1799 01:25:41,757 --> 01:25:45,381 There was cobwebs and all of that on the inside of the door. 1800 01:25:45,416 --> 01:25:50,352 And it was quite obvious from this, uh, from this set-up here, 1801 01:25:50,386 --> 01:25:52,008 that this had not been moved at all. 1802 01:25:52,043 --> 01:25:55,598 We've moved it back and forth when we've examined this 1803 01:25:55,633 --> 01:25:58,153 since then, but, um, 1804 01:25:58,187 --> 01:26:04,193 these animals, in response to what Terri or, the rancher and his wife had said, 1805 01:26:04,228 --> 01:26:09,785 obviously had been put in there, some kind of a prank, whatever. 1806 01:26:09,819 --> 01:26:14,479 Again, to underline anxiety, to create anxiety, 1807 01:26:14,514 --> 01:26:18,863 in the rancher and his wife that they had lost their animals. 1808 01:26:18,897 --> 01:26:23,212 [Narrator] This is a photo of the bulls taken a few hours after they were released. 1809 01:26:23,247 --> 01:26:24,972 And they were still in a surly mood. 1810 01:26:25,007 --> 01:26:28,769 The NIDS team wasn't on the property at the time of the incident, 1811 01:26:28,804 --> 01:26:30,219 but arrived soon after. 1812 01:26:30,254 --> 01:26:32,911 Almost as strange as the treatment of the bulls 1813 01:26:32,946 --> 01:26:35,638 was the physical evidence left at the scene. 1814 01:26:35,673 --> 01:26:38,848 The bars of the corral had been magnetized. 1815 01:26:38,883 --> 01:26:41,126 Examining this metal structure, 1816 01:26:41,161 --> 01:26:43,439 all along the length of the metal structure, 1817 01:26:43,474 --> 01:26:46,270 it was extremely highly magnetized. 1818 01:26:46,304 --> 01:26:48,375 The entire, uh, corral here, 1819 01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:52,586 there was a magnetic field deviation for several hours on this corral, 1820 01:26:52,621 --> 01:26:54,692 and then it just kind of dissipated. 1821 01:26:56,211 --> 01:26:58,696 But, um, very strong magnetic field, 1822 01:26:58,730 --> 01:27:01,216 along this entire length of corral. 1823 01:27:02,734 --> 01:27:05,979 That was the only clue that was found to what happened here, 1824 01:27:06,013 --> 01:27:09,810 and it doesn't even tie into how exactly it happened. 1825 01:27:09,845 --> 01:27:12,365 So, you can't just say it was teenagers 1826 01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,713 who came into the corral and got these bulls into this thing? 1827 01:27:15,747 --> 01:27:20,925 No, you need to be extremely, even to get one bull into this, this corral, 1828 01:27:20,959 --> 01:27:24,825 I mean, forcing a bull to climb, even climb up this, 1829 01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:28,243 into an enclosed space, it's just impossible, you know. 1830 01:27:28,277 --> 01:27:32,523 And, and the fact is, it was verified pretty well convincingly, 1831 01:27:32,557 --> 01:27:34,456 that this door had not opened. 1832 01:27:34,490 --> 01:27:35,974 -In the... -I thought that's the only way in. 1833 01:27:36,009 --> 01:27:37,079 -Huh? -But that's-- 1834 01:27:37,113 --> 01:27:39,115 That's the only way in from the corral. 1835 01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:42,326 I mean, it's another one of these brain teasers, you know. 1836 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,674 How exactly was it done? Why was it done? All of that. 1837 01:28:00,102 --> 01:28:03,381 [Interviewer 1] In the Uintah Basin, you were being visited 1838 01:28:03,416 --> 01:28:06,142 by something that appears to be non-human. 1839 01:28:06,177 --> 01:28:07,040 -Mm-hmm. -Yes. 1840 01:28:09,042 --> 01:28:10,388 What is your full name? 1841 01:28:10,423 --> 01:28:15,151 [Garrie] My name is Garrie Walking Leeback Poowegup. 1842 01:28:15,186 --> 01:28:19,294 [Interviewer 1] I got to talk with your mom and kind of hear her perspective 1843 01:28:19,328 --> 01:28:24,299 over months and months on the phone, and finally we had a interview. 1844 01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:27,543 The moment that changed your mom's ideas. 1845 01:28:27,578 --> 01:28:29,304 -Do you know the one I'm talking about? -Mm-hmm. 1846 01:28:29,338 --> 01:28:31,754 -What happened? -It was dead night. 1847 01:28:31,789 --> 01:28:34,412 We had just stepped out of our truck. 1848 01:28:34,447 --> 01:28:37,450 I'm just walking my own way, and she's walking this way, 1849 01:28:38,036 --> 01:28:39,797 then outta nowhere, 1850 01:28:39,831 --> 01:28:44,940 and it just lit up, bright as this, this, as you see in the windows, 1851 01:28:44,974 --> 01:28:46,838 that's how bright it was, 1852 01:28:46,873 --> 01:28:48,461 just went back to black. 1853 01:28:48,495 --> 01:28:50,842 [Interviewer 1] That's what I hear from so many people, they always said, 1854 01:28:50,877 --> 01:28:53,466 -it was, it was brighter than the sun. -Mm-hmm. 1855 01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:58,747 We've had a lot of reports of lights from the sky coming down and hitting people. 1856 01:28:58,781 --> 01:29:02,060 And some people have gotten sick from that. 1857 01:29:02,095 --> 01:29:06,582 Uh, like birds, and you described one experience of that. 1858 01:29:06,617 --> 01:29:07,756 Yes. 1859 01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:09,758 There have been negative health effects on the birds. 1860 01:29:09,792 --> 01:29:12,208 So, just to get personal, let me ask you first. 1861 01:29:12,243 --> 01:29:14,072 You have a medical condition. 1862 01:29:14,728 --> 01:29:15,522 Uh, yes. 1863 01:29:15,557 --> 01:29:17,144 Can you tell me about that? 1864 01:29:17,179 --> 01:29:20,458 That is, uh, MNS. I got MNS. 1865 01:29:21,494 --> 01:29:23,392 I'm only 30 years old. 1866 01:29:23,427 --> 01:29:26,947 First one in family history, I'm the only one. 1867 01:29:26,982 --> 01:29:29,709 It's, it's hard for your mom. I can see she is... 1868 01:29:29,743 --> 01:29:32,090 It's hard for her, right? I mean, any family. 1869 01:29:32,125 --> 01:29:33,506 Yeah. 1870 01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:36,509 One thing she asked, is, she was curious if 1871 01:29:36,543 --> 01:29:40,927 these lights had any negative impact on your guy's health. 1872 01:29:40,961 --> 01:29:43,412 Um, do you feel there's any connection to that? 1873 01:29:43,447 --> 01:29:45,587 Or do you feel it's just not that? 1874 01:29:45,621 --> 01:29:47,140 Not feeling like it's not. 1875 01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:50,177 [Interviewer 1] These things you're seeing. 1876 01:29:50,212 --> 01:29:53,388 I remember I was just hearing that ringing again, 1877 01:29:53,422 --> 01:29:56,114 but it was only on one side. On my left side. 1878 01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:59,394 I used my cane and I walk around and get right here. 1879 01:29:59,428 --> 01:30:01,913 I saw the moon, as bright it was. 1880 01:30:01,948 --> 01:30:05,020 Then I just see this object, a white object, 1881 01:30:05,054 --> 01:30:09,369 circling, uh, and it came back around, and it did again. 1882 01:30:09,404 --> 01:30:11,095 Then it just went, and then went, 1883 01:30:11,129 --> 01:30:15,375 backwards towards it, and I can remember seeing it just jolt 1884 01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:17,446 and just see that weird flash. 1885 01:30:17,481 --> 01:30:22,037 Then I guess it probably noticed me or something, then it just took off. 1886 01:30:22,071 --> 01:30:24,591 -You're talking about a craft-- -[indistinct] 1887 01:30:24,626 --> 01:30:27,974 -a craft with unusual, uh, propulsion. -Yes. 1888 01:30:28,008 --> 01:30:30,977 So it's not just the ranch, it's all around you at the basin. 1889 01:30:31,011 --> 01:30:32,979 It's around your home, around your property, 1890 01:30:33,013 --> 01:30:34,670 -Mm-hmm. -whatever this phenomenon is, 1891 01:30:34,705 --> 01:30:36,016 it's all around you here. 1892 01:30:36,051 --> 01:30:37,949 -Mm-hmm. -Yes. 1893 01:30:37,984 --> 01:30:41,263 Some people have been harmed by these. Their lives have been changed. 1894 01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:45,129 Once you see something like this, you can never see the world the same again. 1895 01:30:45,163 --> 01:30:49,202 It just has to happen to you. Something is here. 1896 01:30:49,858 --> 01:30:50,755 Is it real? 1897 01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:53,827 Oh, yes, and I believe it is much real. 1898 01:30:53,862 --> 01:30:57,106 All those deniers, you know, can just come out here. 1899 01:30:57,141 --> 01:30:59,005 I don't care how many numbers. 1900 01:30:59,039 --> 01:31:02,905 They just gotta have that kind of, the experience, but it's a gamble. 1901 01:31:02,940 --> 01:31:05,667 Some days they're here, some days they're not. 1902 01:31:05,701 --> 01:31:09,187 They'll be taking days, weeks, months, just to, 1903 01:31:09,222 --> 01:31:13,468 have just one real experience. I think, just one. 1904 01:31:13,502 --> 01:31:16,781 Even just seeing a light or a UFO just coming by. 1905 01:31:16,816 --> 01:31:19,404 Just once. Just get that one image. 1906 01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,891 Just like that, and that will just be with them for the rest of their lives. 1907 01:31:22,925 --> 01:31:24,340 Just that one little piece. 1908 01:31:24,375 --> 01:31:26,757 Why does this area have so many things so concentrated? 1909 01:31:26,791 --> 01:31:30,726 I think there's a main portal somewhere here. 1910 01:31:32,417 --> 01:31:36,283 There are big displays, and the cops are called out, 1911 01:31:36,318 --> 01:31:40,736 something is coming over this area, beaming lights. 1912 01:31:40,771 --> 01:31:42,876 Your concern last time was, 1913 01:31:42,911 --> 01:31:46,915 is this having negative effects on the people I love, 1914 01:31:46,949 --> 01:31:48,399 -and is it government... -Mm-hmm. 1915 01:31:48,433 --> 01:31:51,540 or is it entities, other beings? 1916 01:31:51,575 --> 01:31:52,679 Mm-hmm. 1917 01:31:52,714 --> 01:31:54,681 -You're both nodding your heads. -Yeah. 1918 01:31:54,716 --> 01:31:56,200 So, what is it? What does that mean? 1919 01:31:56,234 --> 01:32:01,308 What can it be? Is it from here or is it from somewhere else? 1920 01:32:01,343 --> 01:32:05,347 The other side? Or a different world or somewhere? 1921 01:32:05,381 --> 01:32:09,040 Different solar system, just visiting? 1922 01:32:09,075 --> 01:32:11,836 The universe is wild, there's many planets. 1923 01:32:11,871 --> 01:32:14,736 I don't know. I really would like to know. 1924 01:32:14,770 --> 01:32:17,083 Maybe find out at least something. 1925 01:32:17,117 --> 01:32:20,465 If people wanted to come and visit this place, 1926 01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:22,019 -Mm-hmm. -your area, 1927 01:32:22,053 --> 01:32:25,816 um, would you advise them to do that or to not do that? 1928 01:32:27,783 --> 01:32:30,855 If you're curious, come and see yourself, you know? 1929 01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:36,378 'Cause I can sit here and tell you forever, all my experiences, but... 1930 01:32:36,412 --> 01:32:37,586 that's me. 1931 01:32:37,621 --> 01:32:38,967 But there are risks. 1932 01:32:39,001 --> 01:32:42,246 But they are... Yes, there is risks. 1933 01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:48,942 You might see something you can't handle, or you might experience, uh... 1934 01:32:50,910 --> 01:32:55,604 entity, I'm gonna say. That you can't handle. And so, 1935 01:32:55,639 --> 01:32:58,780 yeah, the... I don't know. It's hard. Yes or no? 1936 01:32:58,814 --> 01:33:01,679 [stuttering] It'd be up to that individual. 1937 01:33:35,540 --> 01:33:39,096 [Narrator] The Gormans were especially sensitive to the incident with the bulls 1938 01:33:39,130 --> 01:33:41,270 because of the losses they had already suffered. 1939 01:33:41,305 --> 01:33:44,791 Out of a herd of 80 cattle, they lost 14 head 1940 01:33:44,826 --> 01:33:49,693 prior to the arrival of NIDS. Some disappeared. Others were sliced up. 1941 01:33:49,727 --> 01:33:54,076 12 more cows and calves were killed while NIDS was on the ranch. 1942 01:33:54,111 --> 01:33:57,735 Their neighbors, the Garcias, lost several animals as well. 1943 01:33:57,770 --> 01:33:59,530 Some of their cattle appeared to have been killed 1944 01:33:59,564 --> 01:34:02,498 by being dropped onto the pasture from a great height. 1945 01:34:02,533 --> 01:34:06,917 The cattle mutilation mystery has been reported in at least 15 states, 1946 01:34:06,951 --> 01:34:08,746 dating back to the 1960s. 1947 01:34:08,781 --> 01:34:12,819 Thousands of animals have been sliced up with surgical precision, 1948 01:34:12,854 --> 01:34:14,649 mostly under the cover of darkness. 1949 01:34:14,683 --> 01:34:19,412 If humans are doing it, not a single suspect has ever been caught. 1950 01:34:19,446 --> 01:34:22,691 For the Gormans, the livestock losses were devastating 1951 01:34:22,726 --> 01:34:24,900 both financially, and psychologically. 1952 01:34:24,935 --> 01:34:27,040 And then, things got worse. 1953 01:34:28,801 --> 01:34:32,149 On March 10, 1997, Tom Gorman and his wife 1954 01:34:32,183 --> 01:34:34,496 walked out of their home and into the pasture, 1955 01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:39,708 planning to tag the ears of several calves that had been born in the preceding days. 1956 01:34:39,743 --> 01:34:42,849 It was a bright, clear morning. Snow was on the ground. 1957 01:34:42,884 --> 01:34:45,265 50 yards from their house, they found the first calf. 1958 01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:47,716 [Kelleher] They were with their dog. 1959 01:34:47,751 --> 01:34:51,893 Uh, the two of them, um, tagged and weighed this animal. 1960 01:34:51,927 --> 01:34:55,724 They, they checked it out. I believe it was 84 pounds. 1961 01:34:55,759 --> 01:35:01,074 Or 87 pounds. And they left the animal there. 1962 01:35:01,109 --> 01:35:04,077 With... With the mother. Everything seemed to be fine. 1963 01:35:04,112 --> 01:35:07,494 Although, they did detect an odor in the air. 1964 01:35:07,529 --> 01:35:13,155 Around this area, they, they detected a strong musk smell. 1965 01:35:13,190 --> 01:35:17,056 Um, they took note of it, and then they headed west. 1966 01:35:17,090 --> 01:35:19,230 And they went about 300 yards west. 1967 01:35:19,265 --> 01:35:23,407 Beyond the... The dog run wasn't... Was not there at the time. 1968 01:35:23,441 --> 01:35:26,410 But about 300 yards beyond, 1969 01:35:26,444 --> 01:35:28,999 um, towards where that incline is. 1970 01:35:29,033 --> 01:35:32,002 Um, and they were tagging a second animal, 1971 01:35:32,036 --> 01:35:34,038 [Narrator] Only 30 to 40 minutes had passed, 1972 01:35:34,073 --> 01:35:36,489 the Gormans had an obstructed view 1973 01:35:36,523 --> 01:35:37,662 of everything in the field. 1974 01:35:37,697 --> 01:35:40,251 But didn't see or hear anything unusual. 1975 01:35:40,286 --> 01:35:43,910 Until their dog focused its attention back toward the house, 1976 01:35:43,945 --> 01:35:45,705 and the first calf. 1977 01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:48,397 The dog with them, down here at this stage, 1978 01:35:48,432 --> 01:35:49,778 began to act really strangely. 1979 01:35:49,813 --> 01:35:53,161 It started growling. The hair on the back of its neck went up. 1980 01:35:53,195 --> 01:35:56,474 And it started facing back towards here, 1981 01:35:57,027 --> 01:35:58,442 growling and snarling. 1982 01:35:58,476 --> 01:36:02,135 And then, it just took off west, away from this spot. 1983 01:36:02,170 --> 01:36:04,620 It just took off, was never seen again. 1984 01:36:04,655 --> 01:36:07,554 [Narrator] The Gormans were curious and walked back across the field. 1985 01:36:07,589 --> 01:36:11,248 First thing they saw was the mother of the animal, 1986 01:36:11,282 --> 01:36:17,668 was running back and forth, kind of [stuttering] in a sort of half circle. 1987 01:36:17,702 --> 01:36:20,360 From about this area to the fence line. 1988 01:36:20,395 --> 01:36:23,225 Just running back and forth, and it was limping. 1989 01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:25,572 I mean, it was dragging its foot. It was limping. 1990 01:36:25,607 --> 01:36:31,268 They met the animal, um, and they noticed that it was just totally out of breath. 1991 01:36:31,302 --> 01:36:34,581 It was panting. It was obviously in deep stress. 1992 01:36:34,616 --> 01:36:36,066 and it was dragging one leg. 1993 01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:38,689 And then they noticed the calf, or what was left of it. 1994 01:36:38,723 --> 01:36:42,520 [Kelleher] ...lay spreadeagled on the ground, just about here. 1995 01:36:42,555 --> 01:36:47,940 With, um, it was lying with all four limbs just spread on the ground. 1996 01:36:47,974 --> 01:36:50,563 All of its internal body cavity was gone. 1997 01:36:50,597 --> 01:36:55,671 Um, it was completely pretty well, all of its muscles was gone 1998 01:36:55,706 --> 01:36:57,881 from the torso. 1999 01:36:57,915 --> 01:36:59,952 The legs were still intact. 2000 01:36:59,986 --> 01:37:03,334 But the, one of the ears was also gone. 2001 01:37:03,369 --> 01:37:05,509 So, they called NIDS. 2002 01:37:05,543 --> 01:37:08,650 [Narrator] The rancher placed a call to the NIDS investigators 2003 01:37:08,684 --> 01:37:09,893 who'd returned to Las Vegas 2004 01:37:09,927 --> 01:37:11,618 for a rare weekend off. 2005 01:37:11,653 --> 01:37:14,898 Within a few hours, a four man team, including a veterinarian, 2006 01:37:14,932 --> 01:37:16,658 was on the scene. 2007 01:37:16,692 --> 01:37:20,904 Necropsy started, and the first thing the veterinarian noticed 2008 01:37:20,938 --> 01:37:23,527 during the necropsy was that the ear of the animal 2009 01:37:23,561 --> 01:37:26,461 had been sliced off with a very sharp instrument. 2010 01:37:27,496 --> 01:37:28,877 Possibly a scalpel. 2011 01:37:28,912 --> 01:37:34,400 And the ear had contained a very large plastic yellow, um, tag. 2012 01:37:34,434 --> 01:37:36,885 Like, an ear tag, 2013 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,646 that they had just put on, and it was gone. 2014 01:37:39,681 --> 01:37:42,684 So, uh, the necropsy proceeded. 2015 01:37:42,718 --> 01:37:46,481 Um, about ten feet away from the animal, there was a femur. 2016 01:37:46,515 --> 01:37:50,312 One of the femurs had been forcibly ripped out of a ball and socket joint, 2017 01:37:50,347 --> 01:37:53,039 which is extremely difficult to do. 2018 01:37:53,074 --> 01:37:54,834 I mean, in terms of strength. 2019 01:37:54,869 --> 01:37:57,285 It looked, initially, you know, superficially, 2020 01:37:57,319 --> 01:38:01,220 like a massive predator had just lain waste to this animal. 2021 01:38:01,254 --> 01:38:04,775 Removed, you know, 60 pounds of meat in 45 minutes. 2022 01:38:04,809 --> 01:38:07,812 Which, we don't know if any predator that could have done that. 2023 01:38:07,847 --> 01:38:10,712 [Narrator] And how could a predator inflict such carnage 2024 01:38:10,746 --> 01:38:14,992 without being seen or heard by the rancher, his wife or his dog? 2025 01:38:15,027 --> 01:38:17,961 Over a few hundred yards away, in the same field, 2026 01:38:17,995 --> 01:38:20,032 on what was a quiet Sunday morning? 2027 01:38:20,066 --> 01:38:23,449 No four-legged predator known to science could do it. 2028 01:38:23,483 --> 01:38:26,038 The team gathered tissue and bone samples 2029 01:38:26,072 --> 01:38:28,868 which were sent to three independent pathology labs. 2030 01:38:28,903 --> 01:38:32,182 The results arrived later, but confirmed what seemed obvious 2031 01:38:32,216 --> 01:38:34,149 in the pasture that day. 2032 01:38:34,184 --> 01:38:38,291 The calf had been carved up by someone wielding sharp, metallic instruments. 2033 01:38:38,326 --> 01:38:42,399 A heavy machete-like object had slammed into the bones. 2034 01:38:42,433 --> 01:38:46,541 A smaller scalpel-like knife had sliced the hide and muscle. 2035 01:38:46,575 --> 01:38:49,993 Closer inspection revealed that it was definitely sharp instruments. 2036 01:38:50,027 --> 01:38:52,788 There was no sign of blood. 2037 01:38:52,823 --> 01:38:57,276 There was no sign of entrails around. It was perfectly clean. 2038 01:38:57,310 --> 01:38:59,002 Uh, not a drop of blood on the grass, 2039 01:38:59,036 --> 01:39:02,419 We went even as far as doing an experiment by pouring blood on the grass 2040 01:39:02,453 --> 01:39:04,386 to see how fast it would seep through. 2041 01:39:04,421 --> 01:39:07,976 Videotaped the grass, showed, you know, even two days later. 2042 01:39:08,011 --> 01:39:12,325 you could still see the stain on the grass, so, there was no blood, whatsoever. 2043 01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,673 Not a single drop, either, underneath the animal, on the animal, 2044 01:39:15,708 --> 01:39:19,022 or on the grass. It was just completely clean. 2045 01:39:19,056 --> 01:39:20,678 A professional tracker was brought in. 2046 01:39:20,713 --> 01:39:24,165 He's covered every inch of ground in and around the field. 2047 01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:27,237 Looking for traps, humans, animal or vehicle, 2048 01:39:27,271 --> 01:39:32,311 Nothing. Eventually, the investigators reached an unsettling conclusion. 2049 01:39:32,345 --> 01:39:35,935 The bottom line is, this animal must have been killed elsewhere. 2050 01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:38,765 Because there was no blood. There was no blood on the scene, 2051 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,251 and that... the animal must have been brought back 2052 01:39:41,285 --> 01:39:44,461 Laid down carefully, almost, you know, 2053 01:39:44,495 --> 01:39:48,741 really almost richfully, on the spot. Where I had been tagged. 2054 01:39:48,775 --> 01:39:50,432 [Narrator] The NIDS team 2055 01:39:50,467 --> 01:39:52,779 investigated dozens of mutilation cases across the country. 2056 01:39:52,814 --> 01:39:56,542 Many of the tissue samples were analyzed in NIDS' own lab, 2057 01:39:56,576 --> 01:40:01,029 in Las Vegas. And then I doubled check by independent labs they hired. 2058 01:40:01,064 --> 01:40:03,721 The Uintah calf was in a category all its own. 2059 01:40:03,756 --> 01:40:07,070 It seemed akin to psychological warfare, 2060 01:40:07,104 --> 01:40:09,934 intended to shock and frighten the witnesses. 2061 01:40:09,969 --> 01:40:12,109 The following night, there was another scare 2062 01:40:12,144 --> 01:40:14,180 in the darkness of the first homestead. 2063 01:40:14,215 --> 01:40:17,563 Shots were fired at something that had rattled the herd. 2064 01:40:17,597 --> 01:40:21,256 Eventually, Colm Kelleher surmised that the perpetrators 2065 01:40:21,291 --> 01:40:24,121 responsible for the calf were mechanical. 2066 01:40:24,156 --> 01:40:26,606 Like an assembly line in a meat packing plant. 2067 01:40:26,641 --> 01:40:29,437 A machine was involved with this carnage. 2068 01:40:29,471 --> 01:40:32,267 [Kelleher] Whatever happened to that calf, um, 2069 01:40:32,302 --> 01:40:35,236 was an extraordinarily skillful job. 2070 01:40:54,910 --> 01:40:59,018 [Man] Mutilations are clearly one aspect we can put our finger on. 2071 01:40:59,053 --> 01:41:01,676 That we can quantify to a degree. 2072 01:41:01,710 --> 01:41:04,437 Physical evidence remains after the event. 2073 01:41:04,472 --> 01:41:08,614 And we grasp to it, in search of answers. 2074 01:41:08,648 --> 01:41:12,342 Who is performing these horrific acts of violence? 2075 01:41:12,376 --> 01:41:15,379 Are they meant to unsettle us? Why? 2076 01:41:15,414 --> 01:41:18,658 And are there even answers to be found in these questions? 2077 01:41:20,246 --> 01:41:22,421 During the time of the NIDS investigations, 2078 01:41:22,455 --> 01:41:26,390 the phenomenon recorded and documented was more than elusive. 2079 01:41:26,425 --> 01:41:29,600 It never actually repeated itself. 2080 01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:31,982 From creatures to craft. 2081 01:41:32,016 --> 01:41:36,538 From disembodied voices to trickster-like paranormal activity, 2082 01:41:36,573 --> 01:41:39,714 it was a cosmic game of cat and mouse. 2083 01:41:40,473 --> 01:41:42,613 Dark, shadowy beams observed 2084 01:41:42,648 --> 01:41:46,583 climbing out of orange, glowing geometric portals. 2085 01:41:46,617 --> 01:41:50,000 Silent craft carving out chunks of tree branches 2086 01:41:50,034 --> 01:41:52,761 as they traverse the landscape. 2087 01:41:52,796 --> 01:41:57,180 Geomagnetic anomalies sending compasses into tailspins. 2088 01:41:57,214 --> 01:41:59,872 Events indicating a precognitive ability 2089 01:41:59,906 --> 01:42:05,291 by the phenomenon to know the next move of the investigators. 2090 01:42:05,326 --> 01:42:08,950 This area has been described as a paranormal Disneyland. 2091 01:42:08,984 --> 01:42:13,575 If its weird, it's happened in the Uintah Basin. 2092 01:42:13,610 --> 01:42:16,716 But by far, the most constant theme in the area 2093 01:42:16,751 --> 01:42:19,926 has always remained focused on UFOs. 2094 01:42:19,961 --> 01:42:24,517 Ships. Ships that appear without discrimination. 2095 01:42:24,552 --> 01:42:27,451 But not just passive UFO sightings. 2096 01:42:27,486 --> 01:42:29,902 Sightings that are participatory. 2097 01:42:29,936 --> 01:42:33,871 Experiences that tend to communicate with observers, 2098 01:42:33,906 --> 01:42:36,702 interact with them. 2099 01:42:36,736 --> 01:42:40,395 It's been happening in the area since humans settled there. 2100 01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:42,777 And it continues to this day. 2101 01:43:40,662 --> 01:43:44,804 [Interviewer] Why are you keeping your identity secret? 2102 01:43:44,839 --> 01:43:48,670 [Confidential] [Voice distorted] I have chosen to keep my identity confidential 2103 01:43:48,705 --> 01:43:52,502 to not only protect the integrity of our efforts, 2104 01:43:52,536 --> 01:43:55,539 and to avoid distractions 2105 01:43:55,574 --> 01:43:58,680 that would potentially compromise our efforts. 2106 01:43:58,715 --> 01:44:02,857 And also to maintain a level of professionalism 2107 01:44:02,891 --> 01:44:07,241 in my other business activities and enterprises. 2108 01:44:07,275 --> 01:44:11,348 I have a vast empire of business interests 2109 01:44:11,383 --> 01:44:16,111 that I cannot allow to be compromised 2110 01:44:16,146 --> 01:44:21,358 by virtue of any disclosure of my involvement in this effort. 2111 01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:39,480 [interviewer] Everybody wants to know what is going on at the ranch now? 2112 01:44:39,514 --> 01:44:44,519 Have you continued the research, and have you amplified it? 2113 01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:51,388 We have entered an entirely new and expanded era 2114 01:44:51,423 --> 01:44:55,979 of scientific investigation at Skinwalker Ranch. 2115 01:44:56,013 --> 01:44:59,638 Since acquiring the property three years ago, from Mr. Bigelow, 2116 01:44:59,672 --> 01:45:04,608 we've installed significant security enhancements 2117 01:45:04,643 --> 01:45:09,061 in addition to scientific instrumentation that has allowed us 2118 01:45:09,095 --> 01:45:14,342 to not only better understand, but also to better document 2119 01:45:14,377 --> 01:45:16,931 the high strangeness and the anomalies 2120 01:45:16,965 --> 01:45:20,072 that have been reported for decades, if not millennia. 2121 01:45:27,804 --> 01:45:30,116 [Kelleher] And wh... that's right here in the field. 2122 01:45:31,186 --> 01:45:32,360 [Confidential] A solid craft. 2123 01:45:32,395 --> 01:45:33,706 [Kelleher] Wow. 2124 01:45:33,741 --> 01:45:37,469 [Confidential] And then, this look familiar? Corral? 2125 01:45:37,503 --> 01:45:39,436 -We're looking right up-- -[Kelleher] Where we're sitting. 2126 01:45:39,471 --> 01:45:40,541 [Confidential] Yep. 2127 01:45:42,232 --> 01:45:45,062 [Kelleher] Wow. Millennium Falcon. 2128 01:45:45,097 --> 01:45:48,272 [Confidential] Exactly. It looks, yeah, the closest thing to it. 2129 01:45:48,307 --> 01:45:51,931 And this was one of the most surprising things that we recorded 2130 01:45:51,966 --> 01:45:55,763 right after I purchased the ranch, was this image, 2131 01:45:55,797 --> 01:45:59,387 and again, according to all of the flight data, 2132 01:45:59,422 --> 01:46:02,563 for the Uintah Basin and Utah during that day, 2133 01:46:02,597 --> 01:46:06,705 There was no other, commercial or private, flight traffic. 2134 01:46:08,603 --> 01:46:13,953 Here's another craft that was captured over the ranch. 2135 01:46:13,988 --> 01:46:19,027 We've been recording both seismic and infrasonic activity in the area. 2136 01:46:19,062 --> 01:46:22,272 One thing we found from our infrasonic studies, 2137 01:46:22,306 --> 01:46:25,896 there are unexplained signals. 2138 01:46:25,931 --> 01:46:29,244 Our chief scientist, it's like nothing he's ever recorded, 2139 01:46:29,279 --> 01:46:31,799 the patterns he's found on the ranch. 2140 01:46:31,833 --> 01:46:36,390 What I am most interested in is what is so unique about this property? 2141 01:46:36,424 --> 01:46:40,048 Why is this the center of gravity for, for the unexplained, 2142 01:46:40,083 --> 01:46:41,878 all sorts of high strangeness. 2143 01:46:41,912 --> 01:46:43,397 And, how far back? 2144 01:46:45,571 --> 01:46:49,057 So this is the first of three observation towers. 2145 01:46:49,092 --> 01:46:54,097 Twenty years ago, Bob Bigelow built them, and he built them as big pens 2146 01:46:54,131 --> 01:46:55,788 and observation towers. 2147 01:46:55,823 --> 01:46:59,343 They put cattle, livestock in the big pens, 2148 01:46:59,378 --> 01:47:03,002 to see if they would react, as biosensors 2149 01:47:03,037 --> 01:47:07,421 to unseen activity, because the scientists 2150 01:47:07,455 --> 01:47:11,390 were noticing things that were more what we would call predator-like, 2151 01:47:11,425 --> 01:47:14,428 they were camouflaged to the helio effect. 2152 01:47:15,670 --> 01:47:18,086 This is a disturbing part of the ranch. 2153 01:47:22,643 --> 01:47:25,611 It is the historic record that really attests to the fact 2154 01:47:25,646 --> 01:47:28,580 that for some reason, there have been strange activities 2155 01:47:28,614 --> 01:47:29,926 recorded in this area. 2156 01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:33,757 Strange lights in the sky, unidentified aerial craft. 2157 01:47:33,792 --> 01:47:38,417 Probably relations going back to as early as 1920, 1930. 2158 01:47:38,452 --> 01:47:41,489 You see how remote this is to a degree out here, right now. 2159 01:47:41,524 --> 01:47:44,665 You can imagine back in the 1920s, 1930s. 2160 01:48:02,752 --> 01:48:05,168 I still, and powerful, I believe that we're'e not alone. 2161 01:48:05,202 --> 01:48:07,101 And I don't think there are any coincidences. 2162 01:48:07,135 --> 01:48:10,035 And that's the thing that is scary about what we're seeing here on the ranch. 2163 01:48:10,069 --> 01:48:13,556 When you have craft turning about in the sky, 2164 01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:15,799 that are not showing up on any radar, 2165 01:48:15,834 --> 01:48:18,181 that are not accounted for, 2166 01:48:18,215 --> 01:48:20,735 and things happening to people, 2167 01:48:20,770 --> 01:48:22,668 that are beyond their control, 2168 01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:26,430 you think of the national security implications. 2169 01:48:26,465 --> 01:48:31,090 It really does speak to the fact that we don't, we don't have any idea 2170 01:48:31,125 --> 01:48:33,023 really, what the true nature of reality is-- 2171 01:48:33,058 --> 01:48:37,545 If I had one right above my head, then I could hit it with a tennis ball. 2172 01:48:37,580 --> 01:48:39,513 -Yeah. -And it was a solid... 2173 01:48:39,547 --> 01:48:41,031 Yeah, it was solid. 2174 01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,865 So you don't, you don't, get anything while you're here? 2175 01:48:46,899 --> 01:48:50,316 [Man] I feel great. I'm impervious to evil, man. 2176 01:48:50,351 --> 01:48:51,628 It's a thing I got going. 2177 01:48:51,663 --> 01:48:54,424 -Oh, really? -[laughs] 2178 01:48:54,458 --> 01:48:59,947 How'd you, how'd you get that going for yourself, being impervious to evil? 2179 01:48:59,981 --> 01:49:00,844 Genetics. 2180 01:49:22,038 --> 01:49:26,594 [Interviewer] What do you have to say to people who think this is not a real phenomenon? 2181 01:49:28,734 --> 01:49:30,080 They're delusional. 2182 01:49:34,084 --> 01:49:37,225 Anyone who does their due diligence, 2183 01:49:38,123 --> 01:49:41,195 anyone who's a sincere seeker of truth, 2184 01:49:42,886 --> 01:49:44,957 that actually will listen to this, 2185 01:49:46,510 --> 01:49:50,722 will find that there is absolute truth to what is happening. 2186 01:49:51,654 --> 01:49:55,761 There is legitimacy, and it is perhaps, 2187 01:49:55,796 --> 01:49:58,626 the most important scientific effort of our time. 2188 01:50:04,287 --> 01:50:05,944 The game has changed. 2189 01:50:17,887 --> 01:50:22,098 Does this bring back memories to your first trip to the ranch? 2190 01:50:22,132 --> 01:50:25,170 Well, yeah, I mean, the only other time we did this was the first trip, 2191 01:50:25,204 --> 01:50:27,379 that we ever made here, and we built the fire 2192 01:50:27,413 --> 01:50:31,555 and made a bunch of noise, and did kind of, kind of things that this group has been doing 2193 01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:33,834 today and yesterday and tried to, uh, 2194 01:50:33,868 --> 01:50:36,043 attract the attention of something. 2195 01:50:36,077 --> 01:50:38,286 It didn't work, and you know, uh, 2196 01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,256 whatever that's here, it plays by its own rules. 2197 01:50:42,290 --> 01:50:45,466 It shows you what it wants to, when it wants to. 2198 01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:48,676 And for NIDS, when they came in, they came in like gang-busters. 2199 01:50:48,711 --> 01:50:53,025 They end up bringing a lot of technical expertise and equipment, 2200 01:50:53,060 --> 01:50:56,442 scientific measuring equipment, to try to figure out what's out here, 2201 01:50:56,477 --> 01:51:01,378 But the phenomena itself always seemed to be one step ahead of, of the team 2202 01:51:01,413 --> 01:51:03,277 that was trying to figure it out. 2203 01:51:03,311 --> 01:51:07,281 Whatever is here, it toys with whomever is trying to figure it out. 2204 01:51:07,315 --> 01:51:10,871 I mean, it plays games and messes with your mind. 2205 01:51:10,905 --> 01:51:13,045 It seems to know what you're gonna do before you do it. 2206 01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:17,360 And it gives you glimpses only when you don't expect it, and you're not ready for it. 2207 01:51:17,394 --> 01:51:20,432 There's a suggestion from what's here, is, all this different phenomena, 2208 01:51:20,466 --> 01:51:22,814 that you wouldn't normally associate with each other, 2209 01:51:22,848 --> 01:51:25,955 UFOs and poltergeists, poltergeists and Big Foot, 2210 01:51:25,989 --> 01:51:29,406 Big Foot and cattle mutilations, all those things in one place, 2211 01:51:29,441 --> 01:51:32,547 it's almost like it's telling us they're all related on some level, 2212 01:51:32,582 --> 01:51:35,102 and it's up to you to figure it out. 2213 01:51:35,136 --> 01:51:37,760 I've been out here, you know, a number of times with you, 2214 01:51:37,794 --> 01:51:41,591 and I wanted to have an experience that was not good, to be honest with you. 2215 01:51:41,625 --> 01:51:45,353 I did, because I wanted to see for myself, but I've only had really good experiences. 2216 01:51:45,388 --> 01:51:48,840 So I tried to trick myself into feeling, like, "Ooh, something's terrifying." 2217 01:51:48,874 --> 01:51:50,911 But, I've just felt good. 2218 01:51:50,945 --> 01:51:53,741 You didn't expect to see anything, but be cool if you did. 2219 01:51:53,776 --> 01:51:56,917 If it was just scary, I can deal with that. 2220 01:51:56,951 --> 01:51:59,057 But I have a hitchhiker, 2221 01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:03,371 that comes on and takes me over, 2222 01:52:03,406 --> 01:52:06,478 I... I couldn't deal with that. So I'm scared of that. 2223 01:52:06,512 --> 01:52:08,929 But we do have a saying in England, 2224 01:52:08,963 --> 01:52:11,552 and it's "In for a penny, in for a pound." 2225 01:52:11,586 --> 01:52:15,107 I'm here, so, I might as well, and I survived the last one. 2226 01:52:15,142 --> 01:52:17,972 I don't know if I can afford any more hitchhikers. 2227 01:52:18,628 --> 01:52:20,388 So, say that out loud, 2228 01:52:20,423 --> 01:52:22,943 -to the hitchhikers of the galaxy. -[man laughing] 2229 01:52:22,977 --> 01:52:24,772 Don't come home with me. 2230 01:52:24,807 --> 01:52:25,877 We all talk about evidence. 2231 01:52:25,911 --> 01:52:27,154 What is evidence to you? 2232 01:52:27,188 --> 01:52:29,259 Is evidence a photograph? Is it a video? 2233 01:52:29,294 --> 01:52:32,021 A lot of what I have is witness testimony. 2234 01:52:32,055 --> 01:52:34,540 Witness testimony is evidence. 2235 01:52:34,575 --> 01:52:37,785 So, my question is, does there become a point where, 2236 01:52:37,820 --> 01:52:41,996 testimony becomes so weighty that it just has value? 2237 01:52:42,031 --> 01:52:44,930 Well, witness testimony is what got me into this. 2238 01:52:44,965 --> 01:52:47,484 I mean, Admirals, Generals, pilots, 2239 01:52:47,519 --> 01:52:49,797 I mean, that's what initially got me into this stuff. 2240 01:52:49,832 --> 01:52:52,317 So, yes, that has weight. 2241 01:52:52,351 --> 01:52:57,563 But, what I'd love to see, you know, a portal open up, right there. 2242 01:52:59,013 --> 01:53:00,774 Yeah, I really would. 2243 01:53:00,808 --> 01:53:03,846 It's just, I've got the point where I don't have the luxury 2244 01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,295 of disbelief anymore. 2245 01:53:05,330 --> 01:53:08,989 I don't know what that means. It doesn't mean I know anything. 2246 01:53:09,023 --> 01:53:11,923 I just don't have the luxury of disbelief. 2247 01:53:11,957 --> 01:53:17,031 [Williams] If I'm honest, I should not have the luxury to disbelieve, either. 2248 01:53:17,066 --> 01:53:19,758 I believe this other stuff. There, I've said it. 2249 01:53:19,793 --> 01:53:23,106 You know, I always try and qualify that with, "But I'm not sure, 2250 01:53:23,141 --> 01:53:27,007 'cause I might be crazy, and don't worry about me, I'm just an idiot," you know. 2251 01:53:27,041 --> 01:53:30,424 Uh, but you know, I do believe. 2252 01:53:35,498 --> 01:53:38,846 So I guess I just wanna hear a little bit, you know, from George. 2253 01:53:38,881 --> 01:53:41,538 Why do you want this out, now? 2254 01:53:41,573 --> 01:53:46,026 The universe is more mysterious, and wondrous and complicated than we imagined. 2255 01:53:46,060 --> 01:53:48,822 Reality is more complicated than what it might seem. 2256 01:53:49,236 --> 01:53:50,271 Full stop? 2257 01:53:52,687 --> 01:53:53,550 Yeah. 2258 01:53:58,141 --> 01:54:01,593 I thought that coming in about six years ago, 2259 01:54:01,627 --> 01:54:04,734 that if we essentially threw 2260 01:54:04,768 --> 01:54:07,392 personnel and equipment at this problem, 2261 01:54:07,426 --> 01:54:10,429 on this property as well as elsewhere, 2262 01:54:10,464 --> 01:54:13,260 and if we, you know, we really pulled out the stops 2263 01:54:13,294 --> 01:54:17,781 in terms of chemical analysis, that we'd probably would get answers. 2264 01:54:17,816 --> 01:54:20,784 But, any answers that we've got 2265 01:54:20,819 --> 01:54:22,890 don't seem to fit the overall thinking. 2266 01:54:22,925 --> 01:54:26,411 And I'm thinking mostly of the kinds of chemical analysis 2267 01:54:26,445 --> 01:54:29,552 that have been carried out on the UFO artifacts, 2268 01:54:29,586 --> 01:54:33,211 as well as some of the preliminary chemical analysis 2269 01:54:33,245 --> 01:54:35,178 we've done on the mutilations. 2270 01:54:36,421 --> 01:54:40,528 I don't think that there's an iota of evidence 2271 01:54:40,563 --> 01:54:45,844 from any of that stuff that really nails the extraterrestrial thing. 2272 01:54:45,879 --> 01:54:51,194 Um, there's really no strong evidence that it's extraterrestrial. 2273 01:54:51,229 --> 01:54:55,267 That has kind of, that's the fly in the ointment. 2274 01:54:55,302 --> 01:54:59,444 It's really against the predictions, that's counter-intuitive. 2275 01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:05,070 If anything, that has created more questions 2276 01:55:05,105 --> 01:55:07,486 than I originally had coming into this whole thing. 2277 01:55:11,490 --> 01:55:14,597 Essentially, the ranch became a testing ground, 2278 01:55:14,631 --> 01:55:19,291 a proving ground, if you will, applying the scientific method. 2279 01:55:19,326 --> 01:55:22,708 This team, this group of multidisciplinary scientists, 2280 01:55:22,743 --> 01:55:25,056 both on the staff and the science advisory board, 2281 01:55:25,090 --> 01:55:28,507 do attempt to solve the problem using the scientific method. 2282 01:55:28,542 --> 01:55:30,061 And we couldn't do it. 2283 01:55:33,823 --> 01:55:37,861 The scientific method is not amenable to these kind of problems. 2284 01:55:37,896 --> 01:55:40,036 It is not that malleable. 2285 01:55:40,071 --> 01:55:44,489 It's not that flexible to be able to apply easily to a problem such as this, 2286 01:55:44,523 --> 01:55:46,249 which is non-repeatable. 2287 01:55:46,284 --> 01:55:50,288 Everytime a phenomena occurs, it's not always same one as before. 2288 01:55:50,322 --> 01:55:52,566 It's always something new, and always something different. 2289 01:55:55,845 --> 01:55:59,297 The phenomena was playing with us. 2290 01:55:59,331 --> 01:56:04,336 Giving us only a taste here and there, of various things. 2291 01:56:06,235 --> 01:56:10,653 An opportunity to see things that were abnormal. 2292 01:56:10,687 --> 01:56:16,797 Uh, opportunity to cause examinations upon performances of things 2293 01:56:16,831 --> 01:56:18,247 that were very unique, 2294 01:56:18,281 --> 01:56:22,044 through certain pathological kinds of investigations. 2295 01:56:24,253 --> 01:56:26,669 The performances didn't repeat themselves. 2296 01:56:26,703 --> 01:56:30,259 [stuttering] Each time there would be a performance of a sort, 2297 01:56:30,293 --> 01:56:32,261 there was always some unique pattern 2298 01:56:32,295 --> 01:56:34,884 There was something that was always changed. 2299 01:56:34,918 --> 01:56:39,613 So we would be prepared, that if this thing, this type of event happened again, 2300 01:56:39,647 --> 01:56:43,479 we know what to do. Well, that exact same event never happened again. 2301 01:56:43,513 --> 01:56:45,653 It would always be something completely different. 2302 01:56:47,966 --> 01:56:51,038 Everytime we would come up with, uh... 2303 01:56:51,073 --> 01:56:55,801 some method of observation or calibration, 2304 01:56:58,804 --> 01:57:02,463 it seemed that, uh, we were always out-guessed. 2305 01:57:15,097 --> 01:57:20,136 It became obvious that [clears throat] we obviously weren't the ones in control. 2306 01:57:20,171 --> 01:57:22,276 We were along for the ride. 2307 01:57:22,311 --> 01:57:26,556 And that a lot of these exhibitions were, exhibitions. 2308 01:57:26,591 --> 01:57:32,838 For gamesmanship or instruction, um... 2309 01:57:32,873 --> 01:57:34,840 you know, in that kind of context. 2310 01:57:52,203 --> 01:57:55,033 [Man] People say secrets can't be kept. 2311 01:57:55,068 --> 01:57:57,518 They're full of shit, as secrets can be kept. 2312 01:57:57,553 --> 01:58:00,590 Secrets are kept. Big secrets. 2313 01:58:00,625 --> 01:58:05,008 [Man 2] It took two decades for this story to even begin to open up. 2314 01:58:05,043 --> 01:58:09,496 And what's most interesting is, how it relates to what's happening now. 2315 01:58:10,945 --> 01:58:11,843 [radio static] 2316 01:58:11,877 --> 01:58:12,740 [Man speaking] 2317 01:58:22,129 --> 01:58:25,132 [indistinct chatter and cheering] 2318 01:58:35,556 --> 01:58:36,868 Oh, my gosh! 2319 01:58:48,259 --> 01:58:52,539 [Interviewer] What is the link between the current releases by the Department of Defense 2320 01:58:52,573 --> 01:58:55,818 using the New York Times to get out two videos, now three. 2321 01:58:55,852 --> 01:58:58,786 What is the connection between that and the ranch? 2322 01:58:58,821 --> 01:59:00,719 So, it's kind of a long and winding road. 2323 01:59:00,754 --> 01:59:03,826 With a lot of acronyms involved, but here's the basics. 2324 01:59:03,860 --> 01:59:07,830 December 2017, the New York Times breaks a story 2325 01:59:07,864 --> 01:59:11,661 about the existence of a secret UFO program in the Pentagon. 2326 01:59:11,696 --> 01:59:14,906 And while many of us have long suspected they had something going, 2327 01:59:14,940 --> 01:59:16,149 we didn't know exactly what it was. 2328 01:59:16,183 --> 01:59:18,185 Well, turns out, its something called ATIP. 2329 01:59:18,220 --> 01:59:21,154 Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 2330 01:59:21,188 --> 01:59:25,848 A guy named Luis Elizondo comes forward, he says he's the point man for this program. 2331 01:59:25,882 --> 01:59:30,232 In addition, we learned that there was a contract given out, and it involved BAASS. 2332 01:59:30,266 --> 01:59:32,026 Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space, 2333 01:59:32,061 --> 01:59:34,443 within Bigelow Aerospace here in Las Vegas. 2334 01:59:34,477 --> 01:59:37,963 And that a study had been conducted, $22 million, 2335 01:59:37,998 --> 01:59:41,277 and that part of that study focused on Skinwalker Ranch. 2336 01:59:41,312 --> 01:59:45,039 A lot of people assumed that ATIP and BAASS were almost synonymous. 2337 01:59:45,074 --> 01:59:48,422 That the money for ATIP and BAASS came from the same pot. 2338 01:59:48,457 --> 01:59:51,770 That it was the same program. Fact is, it wasn't. 2339 01:59:51,805 --> 01:59:55,153 What was, BAASS was involved with something else. 2340 01:59:55,188 --> 01:59:57,742 BAASS was under a much larger program, 2341 01:59:57,776 --> 02:00:00,296 the existence of which has not been made public yet. 2342 02:00:00,331 --> 02:00:02,471 But BAASS was not part of ATIP. 2343 02:00:02,505 --> 02:00:04,611 ATIP did communicate with BAASS. 2344 02:00:04,645 --> 02:00:06,923 There was exchange of information back and forth. 2345 02:00:06,958 --> 02:00:09,788 But it wasn't ATIP that went to the ranch. It was somebody else. 2346 02:00:09,823 --> 02:00:13,482 BAASS investigators went to the property, investigated it, 2347 02:00:13,516 --> 02:00:15,587 interviewed witnesses, collected evidence, 2348 02:00:15,622 --> 02:00:17,796 much like NIDS had done before. 2349 02:00:17,831 --> 02:00:20,074 National Institute for Discovery Science, 2350 02:00:20,109 --> 02:00:24,182 which while many people suspected it was a government program, was not. 2351 02:00:24,217 --> 02:00:26,011 It was completely funded by Bob Bigelow. 2352 02:00:26,046 --> 02:00:28,842 He bought the property. He hired the people to be there. 2353 02:00:28,876 --> 02:00:32,363 Uh, he conducted studies for more than a decade. 2354 02:00:32,397 --> 02:00:36,056 He owned the ranch for 20 years, and sold it in 2016. 2355 02:00:36,090 --> 02:00:39,577 NIDS was private. BAASS was public. 2356 02:00:39,611 --> 02:00:41,993 And that it was funded by taxpayer money. 2357 02:00:42,027 --> 02:00:46,549 And that came from a program whose name has not yet been made public. 2358 02:00:50,484 --> 02:00:53,384 [Interviewer speaking] 2359 02:00:55,593 --> 02:00:58,975 If you're asking, did we crack the mystery? The answer is no. 2360 02:00:59,010 --> 02:01:01,254 No, it's very frustrating for the scientists, 2361 02:01:01,288 --> 02:01:02,979 both the NIDS guys and the BAASS guys. 2362 02:01:03,014 --> 02:01:06,466 And I think any other agency that's been involved in the study. 2363 02:01:06,500 --> 02:01:08,882 We don't have an answer to how it works. 2364 02:01:08,916 --> 02:01:10,263 We know that it is real. 2365 02:01:10,297 --> 02:01:14,094 And it's mysterious, and it's documentable. And it's physical. 2366 02:01:14,128 --> 02:01:15,440 And sometimes, it's not physical. 2367 02:01:15,475 --> 02:01:18,719 Sometimes it appears almost like a hologram, and, uh, 2368 02:01:18,754 --> 02:01:21,274 and it's a, it's a trickster, and it's elusive. 2369 02:01:21,308 --> 02:01:22,689 And is clearly intelligent. 2370 02:01:22,723 --> 02:01:24,932 But we don't know what it is. 2371 02:01:24,967 --> 02:01:27,487 Or where it's from, or what its intentions are. 2372 02:01:27,521 --> 02:01:29,868 Does it mean to harm us? Sometimes, it does harm us. 2373 02:01:29,903 --> 02:01:32,975 Part of what the BAASS study did, it evaluated, uh, 2374 02:01:33,009 --> 02:01:34,425 databases from around the world, 2375 02:01:34,459 --> 02:01:37,151 including some very dramatic cases from other countries 2376 02:01:37,186 --> 02:01:42,398 where humans were, faced significant harm. Physical harm. 2377 02:01:42,433 --> 02:01:45,712 And there have been some reports about it in the Uintah Basin as well, 2378 02:01:45,746 --> 02:01:48,162 where people were harmed after encountering these things. 2379 02:01:48,197 --> 02:01:51,062 Could some of them be government? I think the answer is yes. 2380 02:01:51,096 --> 02:01:53,823 Are all of them government? I'd say the answer is no. 2381 02:01:53,858 --> 02:01:56,654 You know, I try to prepare myself for these trips that we make, 2382 02:01:56,688 --> 02:01:59,657 and I'm respectful of whatever it is that's there, 2383 02:01:59,691 --> 02:02:02,453 and I don't want to take anything home to any loved ones, but, 2384 02:02:02,487 --> 02:02:05,835 most of the people who've gone there as many times as we have, 2385 02:02:05,870 --> 02:02:09,045 have taken something with them. And, uh, I don't want that to happen. 2386 02:02:24,958 --> 02:02:27,788 [Corbell] We still don't know what we're dealing with. 2387 02:02:29,031 --> 02:02:30,032 And that's the truth of it. 2388 02:02:32,241 --> 02:02:35,658 Big questions, disturbing answers. 2389 02:02:44,357 --> 02:02:48,499 It sounds crazy, but, in reality. 2390 02:02:48,533 --> 02:02:50,604 these events happen. 2391 02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:53,158 It's hard. [stuttering] It's your problem. 2392 02:02:54,194 --> 02:02:56,092 You have to grapple with that. 2393 02:02:56,127 --> 02:02:58,336 These events happen. 2394 02:02:58,371 --> 02:03:01,028 And so, that's everybody's challenge, is to, 2395 02:03:01,063 --> 02:03:05,378 try to absorb and integrate that information 2396 02:03:06,344 --> 02:03:08,450 or deny it. Or ridicule it. 2397 02:03:08,484 --> 02:03:11,107 That's what people like to do. But these events happen. 2398 02:03:12,971 --> 02:03:16,285 There is a real mystery here, and I believe mysteries 2399 02:03:16,319 --> 02:03:19,840 have solutions. I believe we can get at least closer to the truth. 2400 02:03:25,225 --> 02:03:26,088 I don't know, man. 2401 02:03:29,781 --> 02:03:32,335 Are we alone in the universe? 2402 02:03:32,370 --> 02:03:36,719 This intelligence that seems to be interacting with humanity, 2403 02:03:36,754 --> 02:03:39,964 what is it? What... What is its purpose? 2404 02:03:39,998 --> 02:03:42,760 These are real, tangible, physical events. 2405 02:03:42,794 --> 02:03:44,934 But sometimes, it's, it's like a mirage. 2406 02:03:46,626 --> 02:03:49,525 Nobody knows what we're dealing with. 2407 02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,873 That's the bottom line. Nobody knows. 2408 02:03:52,908 --> 02:03:56,946 It's our job to investigate the unexplained. 2409 02:03:56,981 --> 02:03:59,708 Not to explain the uninvestigated. 2410 02:04:06,887 --> 02:04:08,233 [indistinct background chatter] 2411 02:04:36,676 --> 02:04:38,747 [woman] Could a truck do that? I don't think it... 2412 02:04:38,781 --> 02:04:40,507 [man] Oh, it's not a truck. 2413 02:04:43,545 --> 02:04:44,925 [woman] There's no road up there. 199844

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