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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,229 Something's always left over. Remnants that don't work out. 2 00:02:27,189 --> 00:02:29,650 So images lie around waiting for a story. 3 00:02:36,469 --> 00:02:37,449 Camera: 4 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,360 Sound : 5 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,370 Music: 6 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:57,729 PART ONE 7 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:00,000 Editor: 8 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,189 Hello! Hello! 9 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,520 Hello! I'm from Kreuzberg. 10 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,789 Hello! Hello! I'm from Kreuzberg. 11 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,090 I'm sitting here in the police van. 12 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,199 I want to... 13 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:22,620 I want to talk to you, you up there on the roof. 14 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,610 I'd like to come up 15 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,080 and talk to you. 16 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,490 I'm coming now... 17 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,580 I'm coming... Hello! Hello! 18 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:39,009 I'm coming out onto the street with my hands up. 19 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,849 I want to talk to you. 20 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,270 I want to talk to you. 21 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:55,780 Could you send somebody down 22 00:03:56,479 --> 00:03:58,439 to show me the way up, 23 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,930 or somebody I can talk to. I'm coming out now! 24 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,339 Turn the lights off! 25 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:56,339 Go! Go! Go! 26 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:07,899 Stop! 27 00:05:12,949 --> 00:05:14,110 Stop! 28 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:16,579 Stop! 29 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,220 Stop it now! Stop that now! 30 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,529 Stop it now! 31 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Stop it now! 32 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:32,350 They want to talk. Stop it! 33 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:38,250 Stop that now! 34 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,269 Stop it! Stop it! 35 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,430 What remains Iays siege to your mind. 36 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:18,610 It's my image. 37 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,399 The rooms, the gestures, the rhythm of the language. 38 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,160 The conscious decision to put the audience there 39 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,689 means a clear breakthrough of the proscenium. 40 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,629 Yes, but it's not an audience it's those people, 41 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,120 whom I've known for years, who are milling about there. 42 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,290 It's not an audience 43 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,050 but those specific faces. 44 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,860 Yeah, yeah. I know them all. 45 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,110 You mean the artistic director sitting on the right. 46 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:09,910 Of course I mean him too. 47 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:12,160 Dreadful! 48 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,170 But that's no reason to... - Perfectly normal audience. 49 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,339 Apart from opening night, it's... - I sat there once too 50 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:24,269 when they took me there. 51 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:26,399 I couldn't stand it. 52 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:29,839 I fled from that shit. 53 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,549 But if there's audience there then it's clear... 54 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,250 That's the difference. 55 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:45,600 Back then, we staged on the apron. 56 00:08:46,789 --> 00:08:50,019 Now they're building upward. You're hanging over the scene. 57 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:00,340 If you mask the boXes on the left and right, 58 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,840 or make them part of the set, 59 00:09:03,549 --> 00:09:07,100 then you move the proscenium five meters downstage. 60 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,250 We've moved the stage into the audience area. 61 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,190 That means we have to stage theater in the audience area. 62 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:05,990 I can't do it from back there. 63 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:08,549 In the boXes there will be props, 64 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,549 there will be actors in there. 65 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,779 That's the only way. 66 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,309 What use are the actors to me up front there? 67 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:24,360 They'll have to go around the back. - Fritz, I already... 68 00:10:25,159 --> 00:10:27,120 Yes. Yes and no. 69 00:10:27,789 --> 00:10:31,120 I saw during rehearsals, when the actors were sitting there, 70 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:34,769 that it bothered you. - Yes. A lot. 71 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,480 But wait. Basically, I don't think it should bother you for this play. 72 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:43,399 For this play, it shouldn't bother us 73 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:47,690 because we can't get into the contradiction where we say 74 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:50,769 we're taking the stage into the audience 75 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,210 and the stage manager tells me he can't see 76 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,210 and you say it bothers you, 77 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,500 and the actors have to work like dogs. 78 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:04,980 Nobody knows what it involves... 79 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:07,830 except us. Except us here. 80 00:11:08,519 --> 00:11:12,909 We can't handle that contradiction. 81 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:15,840 And on top of that, the meaning. 82 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,269 The result will be nebulous black holes. 83 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,429 For some, it will be black holes for others, empty boxes. 84 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,889 Or whatever it is. Graves or whatever. 85 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,970 A black hole is a black hole. It's that simple. 86 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:36,220 But that silence or whatever you meant, 87 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:38,639 it might come at moments. 88 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,220 It has to be that way. I agree. 89 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,210 But that doesn't mean that's part of the set here. 90 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,059 Really, by its nature, it's part of the audience area. 91 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,279 We've pushed into it. 92 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:55,450 And if we extend our set into it 93 00:11:56,159 --> 00:11:58,090 like Matthias said 94 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,429 then we've moved the proscenium forward. 95 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,809 But then we have no way out. 96 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:07,029 In a real theater you'd have space behind t'he scenes. 97 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:09,409 Here, you've got no chance. 98 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,580 And we've extended the set right up to here. 99 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:16,649 And that weakens the intention. 100 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,409 Trust me. I won't try to convince you, or whatever. 101 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,179 But I've had this experience with this house over and over. 102 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,029 And I think this architecture works to our enormous advantage. 103 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,539 I mean, if you just look at it. 104 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,340 It's great. So why get rid of it? 105 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,409 Maybe people will see it with new eyes. That's what I think. 106 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:51,730 Because it is a house of the dead it couldn't be more apt. 107 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,100 No? 108 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,789 Yeah, right. 109 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,639 With a stiff collar 110 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,850 and cuffs that are highly starched. 111 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:21,009 Of course, we have to remember the era. 112 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:24,139 Let's not talk about the era 113 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:27,149 because that's actually dangerous. 114 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,679 We might stick too closely to history. 115 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,059 Let's think of... 116 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,889 ... a suit that doesn't fit. 117 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:43,669 This isn't it and this isn't it. 118 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:50,409 That makes me think of a shirt that's so starched 119 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,940 it pushes up against the neck, and cuffs that keep creeping forward. 120 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:40,960 Fritz. 121 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,000 Come in. 122 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:47,370 Hello! 123 00:15:23,159 --> 00:15:24,740 He went to get a hat. 124 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,600 Hello Fritz! Are you over your illness? 125 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:31,120 Sort of... 126 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:36,429 Almost sick again. 127 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,059 Hello. 128 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:50,740 I just want to point out that this is the tenor of events with me. 129 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,669 That's clear to me completely clear. 130 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,710 It just shows 131 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:00,519 what kind of apparatus we work in. 132 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:02,720 I don't mean that in a negative way. 133 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:05,630 But the unusual needs to be organized, too. 134 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:09,549 Because the apparatus doesn't respond to the unusual 135 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,859 in an unusual way, but in a usual one. 136 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,819 So it's very important that we get some kind of idea. 137 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,750 I'm not even talking about details. 138 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,029 But it's important to know 139 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,980 whether we're starting with the ''Nibelungen'' scene on Monday. 140 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,259 Because we have to book the extras tomorrow for Monday evening. 141 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:37,210 So do we want to see them on stage? 142 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,819 On Monday, we need to... 143 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,839 After our last meeting about ''Nibelungen'', 144 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,220 we need to... 145 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,750 Otherwise I can't make any decisions about it. 146 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:57,589 That's what's missing at the moment. 147 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:09,900 When did you say? When do you need it? 148 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:12,170 We need to know tomorrow. 149 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,109 Why do you have to know tomorrow what you're doing Monday? 150 00:18:18,829 --> 00:18:20,339 Because Friday is a holiday, 151 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,890 and Thursday, they set the rehearsal schedule through Monday. 152 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,210 Either it goes forward in some decent way, 153 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,009 or it falls by the wayside, in a way that... 154 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,269 that I, at least won't be in a position 155 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,670 to stage it, I know that. 156 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,539 This just is that kind of undertaking. 157 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:48,339 I can't change that. 158 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,779 So the mistake was even imagining 159 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,049 that we could do it under these conditions. 160 00:19:11,589 --> 00:19:13,759 But, Fritz then we don't need a' Il this shit. 161 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,490 If we're going to work from one day to the next. 162 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:21,190 If you tell me on Saturday that you need extras for Monday, 163 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,289 you won't have any. 164 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,190 I mean, a certain... 165 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,700 never mind the apparatus. 166 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:32,210 You have to accept the apparatus. 167 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,559 The apparatus also has to accept 168 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:43,690 that extraordinary undertakings... 169 00:19:46,349 --> 00:19:48,309 If it doesn't accept that, 170 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:51,430 if one undertaking is just like another... 171 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,069 if some director off the street like Mr. Marquardt is doing it, 172 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,059 then it's not important anyway. 173 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,859 Then the whole thing is pointless. 174 00:20:08,349 --> 00:20:10,279 That's not really right, is it, Fritz? 175 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,970 Well, some of what I said is right. 176 00:20:16,589 --> 00:20:18,380 It doesn't all have to be right. 177 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:22,750 I don't know what to say. 178 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,430 What's the point? 179 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,549 If I can't agree with Karl, I have nothing to say! 180 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,259 And I can't say when we might succeed. 181 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,359 It's a nightmare, this shit... 182 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,839 ... with ''Stalin 1''. 183 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,519 You can only approach it bit by bit, 184 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,950 or we might as well give up. 185 00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:09,660 What we should do is go use the model to work on the scene. 186 00:21:12,109 --> 00:21:14,640 We have some suggestions. 187 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:17,099 I think... 188 00:21:17,829 --> 00:21:20,849 But look, Karl. Right now, the ''F�hrer Bunker'' is up. 189 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,049 I'm working my ass off, eh. But really. I really am. 190 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,650 I just don't want the pressure. I'm supposed to decide 191 00:21:30,589 --> 00:21:33,569 whether we can rehearse Monday. But I can't right now. 192 00:21:35,589 --> 00:21:38,150 But I mean, it makes sense. 193 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,700 Somehow it makes a lot of sense. 194 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,130 There's plenty of time before Monday. 195 00:21:49,829 --> 00:21:52,289 We could come up with a great concept by then. 196 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,579 That's my opinion. 197 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:08,630 Maybe. We'll see. 198 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,460 But don't blame me if we don't! 199 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,309 That's just my personal opinion. 200 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,059 I didn't say that. 201 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,170 I didn't say I'd blame you, I just said, 202 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,630 that you and I together... I can give an honest answer. 203 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:38,480 At the moment, I can't do it. - Let's work. Book the people and... 204 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,970 We have until tomorrow. No problem. 205 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:45,369 Quiet! Once again. 206 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,119 Once again. 207 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,309 Stefan, again. - Sing again? 208 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,019 Waldeslust 209 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,880 Waldeslust 210 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,819 It can sound like you're randy. 211 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,710 If you go up here. 212 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,819 Waldeslust 213 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,509 You're looking for some... 214 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,599 A roaring stag. 215 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:18,950 But without... 216 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,759 Hang on. I've got to write that down. 217 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:28,930 Waldeslust 218 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,890 Waldeslust 219 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:36,160 Hey, cutie. 220 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,269 Will he not stand up, the fellow, before his king. 221 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:44,990 Will he not stand up, the fellow, before his king. 222 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,720 Before his king ! - Before his king ! 223 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,849 I thought he no longer fit a chair. 224 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,009 I will show you where God lives. 225 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:55,430 Lights change. 226 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,799 I will show you... -... where God lives. 227 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,750 Will... no. Say it again. 228 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,890 Will he not stand up, the fellow, before his king. 229 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,069 No! Before his king. - Before his king. 230 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,269 I thought he no longer fit a chair. 231 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,039 I will show you... -... where God lives. 232 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,589 I will show you where God lives. 233 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,309 Fritz is right. It always bothered me, but I forgot to mention it. 234 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:26,869 Don't go up on the ''king''. 235 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,190 Will he not stand up, the fellow, before his king. 236 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:33,519 I thought he... 237 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,450 Before his king. - Before his king. 238 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,779 No. Before his king. - Before his king. 239 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,319 It's still too high. 240 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,339 Will he not stand up, the fellow, before his king. 241 00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:48,640 Will he not stand up, the fellow, before his king. 242 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:00,369 Today is November 4, 1989. 243 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,420 Today is November 4... 244 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,430 Can you add something to a quote if it's just for explanation? 245 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,920 I don't know that yet. 246 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,900 We're in the middle of incredibly intense work. 247 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:25,759 We all have to... 248 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,900 Should we take that as a German specialty? 249 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,079 That it is done in an orderly way... 250 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,130 ... instead of using something? 251 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,359 I don't know. 252 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,180 I think it's simply an admission. 253 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,210 What did you say? Something special? - A text... 254 00:26:58,039 --> 00:26:59,789 Could I read through it quickly? 255 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,289 We can't wait until they arrive. 256 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,539 I didn't write it. 257 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:07,779 Perhaps I could even take it? No, you need it. 258 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,670 You need to ask the people who did it. I can't decide that. 259 00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:16,410 They're sitting over there. - Can I just read it through? 260 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:33,319 You're actors? 261 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,440 What are your names? - I'm Michael Kind. 262 00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:40,920 You're Michael Kind. - The famous notorious Michael Kind. 263 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,309 And who are you? Are you an actor too? 264 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,000 This is Thomas Heise. - I'm Thomas Heise. 265 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,700 Thomas is filming. He can't speak. He has the lens in his mouth. 266 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,349 This is a chance for us to get to know each other. 267 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,970 MY FATHER. ERICH SCHULZ. 268 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:10,319 ARRESTED 1937. 269 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,809 DEATH. STALIN. LAGER. 270 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,650 There has been bitter talk here. 271 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,970 It is directed at us, and at me. 272 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,160 Only those who hear and understand the warning 273 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:50,599 are capable of a new beginning. 274 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:55,160 We all want a German Democratic Republic 275 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,609 of which each of us can say: 276 00:29:58,319 --> 00:29:59,900 This is our country. 277 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,809 Yes! With you gone! 278 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,170 We have once again received 279 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,049 depressing news and pictures from Prague. 280 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:14,619 It will take... 281 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,890 It will take much effort 282 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,900 to win back the trust that has been squandered. 283 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,250 And yet, 284 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,839 don't we we who stand here 285 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,069 don't we the people, 286 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,009 in the end agree on the goal of Perestroika? 287 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,750 Even though we may have differing points of departure? 288 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,140 Even between people with differing opinions, 289 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,910 the hurdles do not have to be insurmountable. 290 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:05,109 Off! Off! 291 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,410 The Unity Socialist Party of Germany... 292 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,410 ... commits to a re-organization. 293 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,910 It came late 294 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,470 but it is irrevocable. 295 00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:25,369 Stop it! 296 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,319 We are determined... 297 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,819 Free elections! 298 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,250 ... and we will be indefatigable in learning 299 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,490 to live with contradictions with pepper and salt. 300 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,769 STOP THE EMPTY RHETORIC. BERLIN WON'T GIVE IN. 301 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,250 And we will use the productivity of contradiction. 302 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:52,490 I would... 303 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:54,990 I would ask... 304 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,190 I would ask those gathered : 305 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,509 Listen first and then react. 306 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:04,720 Listen! 307 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,070 November 8, 1989. 308 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,940 3:40 pm and thereafter. 309 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,860 I have not heard everything that has been said here. 310 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:28,530 We are still in discussions. 311 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,949 Comrade Krenz is still giving his paper. 312 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,570 But if I may refer to the man who spoke before me, 313 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,789 for whom I wish to express respect. 314 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,019 He is a worker with SECURA and Comrades and no party functionary. 315 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,050 But what he has demanded here 316 00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:50,440 is what the Party needs in these times. 317 00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:57,679 This morning, 318 00:35:58,230 --> 00:36:00,900 the general secretary opened the session 319 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,239 with the announcement 320 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:05,940 that the Politburo 321 00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:08,489 the existing Politburo, 322 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:14,440 given that it carries overall responsibility 323 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,389 for the developments that pain us so much 324 00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:21,150 and keep us from sleeping, 325 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,900 that the Politburo is resigning. 326 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,849 But given the situation, comrades, 327 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,360 we cannot allow ourselves a long period of waiting. 328 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,349 So comrade Krenz has made use of his rights and duties 329 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:44,920 and recommended to the Central Committee... 330 00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:49,179 which is the real great leadership org' an 331 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,679 between party congresses, 332 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:56,110 ... recommended a new Politburo or suggestions for a new Politburo'. 333 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:07,599 I'll be quick: 334 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,769 157 members of the Central Committee 335 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,420 who attended voted after thorough discussions. 336 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,980 It was not just calling out names and then raising hands. 337 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,219 In many cases there was discussion. 338 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,610 In some cases, they felt that no discussion was necessary. 339 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,860 So let me begin: Comrade Hans Joachim B�hme. 340 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,820 He is first secretary of the Halle regional unit. 341 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,739 After thorough discussions, 342 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,320 during which a number of serious reservations were raised 343 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,050 he was elected with 66 opposing votes. 344 00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:57,409 Werner Eberlein 345 00:37:58,670 --> 00:38:00,110 Werner Eberlein 346 00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:03,000 Magdeburg. 347 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,719 Unanimously elected, 348 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,019 including as chairman of the Central Party Control Commission. 349 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,510 Wolfgang Herger, 350 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:20,559 elected unanimously. 351 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,269 Werner Jarowinski 352 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,510 3 votes against. 353 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,869 Heinz Kessler 354 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,280 2 votes against. 355 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,750 Siegfried Lorenz, unanimous. 356 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:41,599 Hans Modrow 357 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,730 one vote against. 358 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:53,920 Dear comrades, I am standing here, 359 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:56,909 although I really should be inside, 360 00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,269 listening and debating. 361 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:03,269 I am here to hear your position. 362 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:16,000 Of course, I will report to the Central Committee 363 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,329 how these elections were received. 364 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,420 I will report, 365 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:29,829 and I can only go by the posters and banners I see here, 366 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,510 that you, comrades, 367 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,719 share the same goal. 368 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,400 That you are in full agreement with us, 369 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,929 as well as with this Central Committee 370 00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:52,420 which of course must prove its legitimacy. 371 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,769 That you are in agreement with it 372 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,429 on a renewal 373 00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:04,750 of our society and the party. 374 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,349 That there is no turning back 375 00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:09,800 but only one way - forward! 376 00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,039 Keep going! Keep going! Keep going! 377 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,300 Keep going! Keep going! Keep going! 378 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,789 My dear comrades, 379 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:29,659 I would ask you 380 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:32,989 to calm down. 381 00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,409 Dear comrades 382 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,440 our power rests in our discipline. 383 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,969 But our conscience is even more powerful! 384 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,599 Comrades! Everyone who is standing here, 385 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,510 whether up here or down there... 386 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,519 What do you mean 'up there'? 387 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,250 We all bear a certain responsibility for this situation. 388 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,420 I think it's important for women to step up. 389 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:25,769 I'm also happy that the organizers from the Science Academy are here, 390 00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:30,219 because, as we know they were late with a declaration. 391 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:33,190 But the basic Party units are working hard. 392 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,210 We have discussed everything very thoroughly and carefully, 393 00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:39,440 and concluded as follows: 394 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,190 Party members at the Institute of Physical Chemistry 395 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,380 are very concerned over the political situation in our country. 396 00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:51,050 More slowly. 397 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:53,929 The time is racing. 398 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,610 Comrades! As the undersecretary in the organizational unit 399 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,269 of our ward party organization, I am also responsible 400 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,460 for covering things up. I admit that. 401 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,159 Down with cover-ups! 402 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,679 Together, we must do away with that wrongdoing. 403 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,329 It is an issue that we must deal with 404 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:20,079 with all our heart and deep commitment. I endorse it! 405 00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:22,349 Our appeal 406 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,190 that we are a party of workers, bore fruit immediately. 407 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,639 Now, comrade J�rg Kretzschmar 408 00:43:29,230 --> 00:43:31,480 from the cable works in Adlershof will address us. 409 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:40,349 I'd like to say that I'm not a great speaker. 410 00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,369 I may be lacking the basic knowledge 411 00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,869 to make great predictions that might help us move forward. 412 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,409 I'd like to talk about my concerns in the last few weeks 413 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:58,090 and how things should go from here. I'm a comrade, working three shifts 414 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,099 and currently attending Party school. 415 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,070 What bothered me most 416 00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:08,289 was being in the factory 417 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,699 or in Party school 418 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,099 and all I could do was watch, powerless, 419 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,429 when a new travel law was passed. 420 00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:21,030 And I wondered if it was really written by lawyers 421 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,550 or anybody with a clue. 422 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,780 I have to ask myself how I, as a worker 423 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,150 in the time to come, as part of the factory Party organization, 424 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,800 can make sure things like that never happen again, 425 00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:45,420 that we can have a direct influence on all the elected organs. 426 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,360 At least they have to listen to us. 427 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,250 What bothered me the most is that we know nothing 428 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,280 about all the things that have happened recently 429 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,210 in our Politburo in our Central Comm'ittee 430 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,440 in our elected organs, and with our comrades in the Party. 431 00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:07,769 We don't know if somebody 432 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,130 was cut off at the knees or left voluntarily. 433 00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:13,780 We don't know whether he's sick. 434 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,900 We don't know... 435 00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:19,929 And I want to know. 436 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:23,500 The only real issue for m,e is: If we don't start now 437 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,840 to process everything in an honest and orderly way, 438 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,019 then we won't process it properly in the future. 439 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,949 Comrades! 440 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,349 The situation is serious. 441 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,969 Socialism and the Party, 442 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,760 in our opinion, are in danger. 443 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,250 Who are you, comrade? 444 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,289 I am the party secretary for the organizational unit 445 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,289 for the law school at Humboldt University. 446 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,840 We believe honest words are necessary. 447 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,699 And I want to use honest words to state the following : 448 00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:13,460 Firstly, 449 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:17,239 the Politburo that existed until today 450 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,340 had to be led to the great changes 451 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,000 like an unwilling horse to water. 452 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:36,099 The crystal clear words 453 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,360 of the Party's rank and file were ignored. 454 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,340 Socialism in the German Democratic Republic and our Party 455 00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,860 were made vulnerable by ignorance 456 00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,360 and put in grave danger. 457 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:01,949 Neither the comrades nor the people 458 00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:04,809 could trust that party leadership. 459 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:09,590 So the Politburo in its entirety had to resign. 460 00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,099 We agree with that. 461 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,840 But it did not have to resign 462 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,880 just to be reincarnated with a virtually identical line-up. 463 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,699 Which is why our response to this new Politburo is NO! 464 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,030 Another wrong decision. 465 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,019 More time lost. 466 00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:56,079 More time lost 467 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,389 that our Party can no longer afford ! 468 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,860 Comrades. Please forgive the emotion in this letter. 469 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,469 I have been in the Party for 19 years 470 00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,469 and went along with decisions that were a riddle to me too. 471 00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,590 I have also endured a feeling of impotence. 472 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,420 There was no reaction to criticism or questions 473 00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,019 apart from disciplinary action. 474 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,000 We all feel the boos and hisses 475 00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,239 all of us who gave extra time, and had many discussions 476 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,949 in order to fulfill their daily duties 477 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,210 as part of the collective wisdom of the Party leadership. 478 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,059 I must say honestly, I stand with a painful heart 479 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,719 before the shattered remains of my Party work. 480 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,050 Especially since my Party simply refuses to move forward. 481 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,360 We are starting off wrong again! 482 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,730 Claiming that we set the great changes in motion. 483 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,130 With that claim, leading comrades are evading responsibility. 484 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,630 While their individual positions still are not clear. 485 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,940 They say, 'Let's not discuss our mistakes 486 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:06,590 but concentrate on the future,' they say. 487 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,820 Yes, but godammit, 488 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,309 if we don't finally do away with Stalinism in our Party, 489 00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,110 if the laws don't apply to everyone, 490 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,860 how do you expect us to win back trust? 491 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,630 In the Potsdam regional party office, word is circulating 492 00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:31,309 that an order to deploy the National People's Army to Leipzig 493 00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:34,570 has already been signed by Erich Honecker and others, 494 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,309 and a state of emergency already declared. 495 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,190 Apart from the personal courage of comrade Egon Krenz, 496 00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,070 what would have happened if he weren't there? Civil war? 497 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,960 A Stalinist regime of terror? Or something worse? 498 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,820 We hear from general directors and other economics experts 499 00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:57,219 about dirigist and partisan methods in our national economy. 500 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,599 Who authorized that? Who was it? 501 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,280 If it's true I expect a full explanation 502 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,980 and consequences, including possible expulsion from the party, 503 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,579 from a special Party conference. 504 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:19,039 If it's all true 505 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,880 then a Politburo can never again possess such power. 506 00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:28,289 My Party must become a political party. 507 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,860 My Party must become a strong party, 508 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,150 where every comrade can hold his head held high. 509 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,769 No more whispers behind people's backs. 510 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:39,980 We might never have this opportunity again. 511 00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:42,219 If we want a real democracy, 512 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,869 we need to eXamine our security policies. 513 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,739 I consider the oath I swore no longer fully valid. 514 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,289 Some of the people, to whom I swore it 515 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,400 have released themselves from it. 516 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,150 Klaus Kahn, party secretary of the fire station in Berlin Mitte. 517 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,699 I have five children. They are all married. 518 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,030 They all have work and bread. They all have apartments. 519 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,289 Does all that, which we were able to do count for nothing? 520 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,500 Certainly, the newly elected Politburo 521 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,579 is not yet what we dreamed of. 522 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,789 But I think we have to give it a chance. 523 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:40,320 What we are doing right now is not - I stress, NOT 524 00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:43,340 about more and better Socialism. 525 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:45,900 What we are doing 526 00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:49,010 is about legitimizing it before the rest of the world. 527 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,199 Giving it a chance to survive at all 528 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,599 the right to exist. 529 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,909 Dear comrades! I am not prepared. 530 00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:02,119 But I was compelled to come to this rally and speak to you, 531 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,440 because... - Egon! Egon! 532 00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,650 Egon! Egon! Egon! 533 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,989 Egon is coming. 534 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,789 Dear comrades and friends 535 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,840 I must admit 536 00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:42,630 that this form of Central Committee meeting is new even for me. 537 00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:47,710 But I understand 538 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,269 dear comrades, dear friends 539 00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:56,820 that you completely support our party's course of Perestroika. 540 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,760 Comrades, dear friends! 541 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,500 In the last few days, 542 00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:13,780 I have received hundreds thousands of letters. 543 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,309 I have taken the time... - Be precise! 544 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,989 to read them as carefully as possible. 545 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,449 I can tell you that your thoughts and suggestions 546 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,550 are known to the Politburo to me and the Central Committee. 547 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:32,610 We discussed much of what was in those letters 548 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,869 at the Central Committee meeting. 549 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,489 But I ask for one thing, dear comrades. 550 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,820 The Central Committee has not yet begun its debate. 551 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,869 And if we are talking about Democracy, 552 00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:49,409 then I ask you to understand 553 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,659 that I can't act prematurely on the Central Committee's resolutions. 554 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,690 I promise you that this issue will be discussed in detail. 555 00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,130 But you must understand that one individual 556 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,980 cannot make decisions about the fate of an entire party. 557 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,230 This is about the whole party. 558 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,000 It's about you. It's about the Iocal and regional leadership. 559 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,519 It is about all of us, together. 560 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,630 So. 561 00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:29,039 One more thing, dear comrades and friends! 562 00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,409 Above all, I want to say 563 00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,039 a heartfelt thank you. 564 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,250 Because the path of Perestroika can only be followed 565 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,369 with hard and solid work which you are doing everywhere. 566 00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:49,480 We want a new Politburo 567 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,309 not an old new one! 568 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,940 Comrades! 569 00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:58,159 Party congress! 570 00:54:58,760 --> 00:54:59,949 Party congress! 571 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:01,929 Party congress! 572 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,159 Comrades! 573 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,190 Dear Friends! 574 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,860 I ask for your understanding. 575 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,920 At this moment, we are all whether it be comrade Schabowski 576 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,860 or the other members or candidates for the Politburo 577 00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:27,360 and the Central Committee 578 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,820 we are all extraordinarily moved. 579 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,989 But we will turn that movement into concrete action. 580 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,130 Tomorrow evening, or the day after tomorrow, 581 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,059 we will announce the Central Committee resolutions. 582 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,219 Comrades! I have been asked about my own stance. 583 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,860 I implore you not to put me in the awkward position 584 00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:57,719 of having to make random promises in one or two sentences. 585 00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:01,750 Tomorrow, read my speech and then make your judgment. 586 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,460 Dear comrades and friends what is it that we want? 587 00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:13,340 We want Socialism 588 00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:15,980 that is economically effective, 589 00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:18,900 politically democratic, 590 00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:23,230 morally honest, and devoted in every way to the people. 591 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,610 So, dear friends 592 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,110 please understand that the Central Committee meeting will continue. 593 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,909 We must debate and work together. I wish you all the best! 594 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,010 The question of a party conference has not been dismissed. 595 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,409 Comrades at the beginning w'e agreed 596 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,219 that we would rally until 6 pm. 597 00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:22,230 Without asking comrade Krenz to give the final speech 598 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,059 I think that it is no longer worthwhile 599 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,349 to continue this rally. 600 00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:52,340 NO SAVIOR FROM ON HIGH DELIVERS 601 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,039 NO FAITH HAVE WE IN PRINCE OR PEER 602 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,510 TO DELIVER US FROM OUR MISERY 603 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,050 OUR OWN RIGHT HAND THE CHAINS MUST SHIVER. 604 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,510 ON OUR FLESH HAS FOR TOO LONG FED THE RRAVEN 605 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,909 WE'VE TOO LONG BEEN THE VULTURES PREY. 606 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,309 BUT NOW FAREWELL TO SPIRIT CRAVEN 607 00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:23,889 THE DAWN BRINGS IN A BRIGHTER DAY. 608 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,500 You can think of history as linear. But really, it's a heap. 609 01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:21,300 Below the balcony, the lime trees are turning color. 610 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,500 The leaves have spots like eyes. 611 01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:26,219 They fall to the street and turn to mush. 612 01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:30,670 A damp, mild autumn to lie down in this soft fog. 613 01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:41,500 November 10, 1989. 614 01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,789 In the cafeteria with Fritz, Karl and Math's. 615 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,909 Without stagehands and actors, the rehearsal was cancelled. 616 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,880 We walked along the Spree River. Towards the Brandenburg Gate. 617 01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:01,489 From the Wilhelmstrasse we looked over the death strip, to the West. 618 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,719 There was a gap in the construction fence. 619 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,380 To the right of Brandenburg Gate, people stood on the wall. 620 01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:10,599 Some of them were dancing. 621 01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:14,860 Fritz saw the scene and mumbled 'the tanks will come any minute'. 622 01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,510 He kicked the metal fence. 623 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:23,739 No tanks came. 624 01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,309 We walked back to the theater. 625 01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:44,539 It's Saturday. 626 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:46,900 This week was a lie. 627 01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:49,880 I'm surprised I'm not freezing. 628 01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:55,980 First: 629 01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,920 it is with alarm and consternation 630 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,909 that we have seen in the last few days and hours 631 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,900 people taking the law into their own hands 632 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:10,000 and using violence throughout the German Democratic Republic. 633 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,860 We hereby call on all detainees of the German Democratic Republic 634 01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:19,889 including prisoners in our penal institutions, 635 01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,179 to remain calm and steady 636 01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:27,659 and to renounce all use of violence against persons 637 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,690 or property. 638 01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:34,869 We hope that this will set an additional eXample 639 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:40,210 for all the public of non-violent solutions 640 01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:43,929 to problems in the German Democratic Republic 641 01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,760 We, as employees of the penal system 642 01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:50,289 do not want violence. 643 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:16,940 So. 644 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,949 My name is Krenz. 645 01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:23,050 I would like say up front that I have nothing to do with Egon Krenz. 646 01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,579 I am not related to him even distantly, as far as I k'now. 647 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,190 First, I'd like to say that I am grateful 648 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,090 that I have the chance,today, for the first time 649 01:04:37,159 --> 01:04:40,710 as an employee of the penal system, 650 01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,579 to even speak to the public. 651 01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:48,469 For years, or decades, 652 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,690 we were a chapter in our country that was shrouded in mystery. 653 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:55,670 Just like the crimes themselves 654 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,989 we existed at the edges of our society. 655 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,730 We disappeared into anonymity. 656 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,260 I should add 657 01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:09,519 that maybe the public is starting to question our wages, 658 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,539 which are higher than the average worker's. 659 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,500 It was the only chance we had 660 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,070 to get people to do the work. 661 01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:21,650 And I don't think 662 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,480 the current situation will help us 663 01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:29,469 to get more personnel here 664 01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:32,519 so that we can get a better handle on things 665 01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:34,920 and create a better penal system. 666 01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:37,940 Instead I think that people 667 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,929 who have served until now 668 01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:45,300 might even leave us, making the work even harder. 669 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,309 It's even sadder that 670 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,260 what's happening right now 671 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,699 means that the mud bath 672 01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:57,590 that's being slung 673 01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,329 at all the safety and security organs of our republic 674 01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:04,329 will now reach us as well. 675 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,530 On the one hand we're finally in the public eye. 676 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,409 On the other hand at the moment there is great danger 677 01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:15,360 that all that will now flood over us too. 678 01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:18,510 And that has resulted 679 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,099 in hostility right here in the district. 680 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,420 It has resulted in people, 681 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,489 especially women, 682 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,639 no longer daring to come to work in uniform. 683 01:06:35,719 --> 01:06:39,760 Comrades are subjected to hostility from the public. 684 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,760 And it's no longer 685 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,730 just former prisoners 686 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,719 who abuse us or are hostile in public. 687 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,190 We always had to live with that. 688 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,750 At the moment it's the reaction of citizens. 689 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,340 My name is Eisermann. 690 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,690 I work here in the prison as an educator. 691 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,070 I would like to state that educator is perhaps the wrong word. 692 01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,139 It might be better to say a caretaker. 693 01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:18,989 You can't educate an adult. 694 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,190 An adult is already set in certain ways. 695 01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:24,969 The most you can do 696 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:28,230 is to break down or modify certain behaviors. 697 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,130 If I look at my work, 698 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,190 I've been an educator here since 198O 699 01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:39,489 I've had about 100 to 150 prisoners 700 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,929 to take care of every day. 701 01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:46,789 And in my opinion, there is no way 702 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,239 to educate them the way the law says we should. 703 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,239 Added to that 704 01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:59,090 many prisoners relapse. 705 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,739 They are frustrated 706 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,090 because they weren't reintegrated into society. 707 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,409 There too, I never had the chance 708 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,550 to personally influence 709 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,159 their reintegration into society. 710 01:08:17,350 --> 01:08:20,649 I was expected to write reports, and to make suggestions. 711 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,949 But in the end 712 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,689 when a prisoner was released, 713 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,979 he usually had no place to live 714 01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:32,409 and no job. 715 01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:35,920 Instead he was told : Report to the Department of Internal Affairs. 716 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,180 My name is Schuh. I am the director's deputy. 717 01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:43,630 I have been an employee of the armed organs for 38 years. 718 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,890 I served for 25 years in the People's Police Force 719 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,130 and have served 13 years in penal institutions. 720 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,300 I have experienced all the highs and lows 721 01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:57,359 of serving in the armed organs. 722 01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:01,729 My family and I have moved 8 times, to wherever I was needed. 723 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,350 And I must say: As People's Police officers, 724 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,189 as traffic police officers, as constabulary, 725 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,060 we were acknowledged. Sometimes with flowers. 726 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,989 We helped many members of the public. 727 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,029 With our white caps. 728 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,989 It was 'our People's Police'. 729 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,930 But even in the interior ministry, as it used to be called 730 01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:31,069 the penal system took a back seat. They said, the People's Police, 731 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,369 and the organs of the fire department and the penal system. 732 01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:36,899 So it was always last. 733 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,020 Then, 13 years ago, I was transferred here. 734 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,350 And I saw how hard... 735 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,029 Let's say that where, before, 736 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,770 I maybe looked down on it a little. 737 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,369 I experienced how hard the work is. 738 01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:01,789 I saw how comrades dealt daily with prisoners, with serious criminals. 739 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,960 How they had to deal with them for years, 740 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,619 like 12 hours or more behind bars themselves, really. 741 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,560 How they spent years trying to reeducate 742 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,140 the worst criminals. 743 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,329 In the People's Police, you arrested somebody 744 01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:22,550 and then, an hour later you were through with them. 745 01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:24,720 You just went back to work. 746 01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:27,880 But here you spend years with the same faces. 747 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,850 It is a disgrace that these people, 748 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,229 who sacrificed their whole life to do this work 749 01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:37,430 are now abused and treated with hostility. 750 01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:39,909 We must not allow that! 751 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,119 I demand that we say so publicly 752 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,020 Those working in the penal system 753 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,350 must be accorded appropriate respect by society. 754 01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:55,119 I am first lieutenant Gedecke director of penal department 1', 755 01:10:56,350 --> 01:10:59,300 with ca. 750 prisoners 756 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:01,569 and 12 educators. 757 01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:05,949 In the prison, about 3 comrades cover a shift 758 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,010 and take care of the prisoners' comings and goings. 759 01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:13,270 That means those 3 comrades 760 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,800 move 750 prisoners for 12 hours. 761 01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:22,260 Simply put, that means we have a security mandate to carry out. 762 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,699 The fact is 763 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,670 that causes serious problems for the comrades 764 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,000 and that is often overlooked. 765 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,329 When we pointed that out, it was ignored. 766 01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:38,520 It is often not possible 767 01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:41,439 to guarantee the safety of the comrades here. 768 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,810 After the 1987 amnesty, 769 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,359 the make-up of prisoners changed totally. 770 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,510 On the one hand we still held those' 771 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,979 who were excluded from amnesty. 772 01:11:59,470 --> 01:12:02,279 And then we had prisoners 773 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,979 who should have had amnesty 774 01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:09,770 under the law reported in the newspapers. 775 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:11,960 But they were eXcluded 776 01:12:13,119 --> 01:12:15,079 from the 1987 amnesty. 777 01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,109 Nobody from the attorney general's office 778 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,380 came to explain to the prisoners 779 01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:25,079 why they were excluded. 780 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,720 That became our task. 781 01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:32,420 It was a completely thankless task. 782 01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:36,439 Because the prisoners believed we were the villains 783 01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:40,229 who had excluded them from the amnesty. 784 01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:42,199 The educator is the one 785 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,250 who has to constantly solve these problems. 786 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,350 Or dealing with supplies, 787 01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:51,210 clothing or food. 788 01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:53,510 What about that? 789 01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:57,449 The educator counsels the prisoners 790 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,939 and points out deficiencies. 791 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,689 And the prisoner constantly 792 01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:06,420 has to point out our deficiencies. 793 01:13:07,319 --> 01:13:09,210 Like why we don't provide 794 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,890 adequate clothing or meals. 795 01:13:14,319 --> 01:13:17,130 Even though that's not our fault and everybody knows it. 796 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,569 So you must realize that, often, we wanted to do something, 797 01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:24,850 but we were not in a position to do so. 798 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,880 That was not a phenomenon just of our prisons, 799 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,159 but, unfortunately, of our society. 800 01:13:32,350 --> 01:13:35,829 And if we look at everything that is now being brought up, 801 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,369 and how there is trouble in every corner of society, 802 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,539 and what conditions are like. 803 01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:48,460 I'd say those are not good conditions for the prisoners. 804 01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:50,789 We've done a lot. 805 01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:55,470 But things are still much worse in many parts of our society. 806 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,430 We must get used to the idea that things flow 807 01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:03,180 not only from above to below, but also from below to above. 808 01:14:04,279 --> 01:14:06,949 And that everybody should be consulted. 809 01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,260 Good. Thank you. 810 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,199 Brandenburg, December 7, 1989. 811 01:14:56,430 --> 01:14:59,729 Statement regarding the current situation 812 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,510 in the prison. 813 01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:07,670 On Wednesday, December 6, 1989, 814 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,079 in Brandenburg prison, 815 01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:15,220 between 7 and 10 pm, 816 01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:18,829 severe disruptions of order erupted. 817 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,539 In one of the four cell blocks 818 01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:25,380 there were violent escape attempts. 819 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,609 The disturbances were triggered 820 01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,880 by a radio broadcast 821 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:34,579 on the content of the resolution 822 01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:38,680 passed by the state council of the German Democratic Republic 823 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,180 regarding the amnesty offer. 824 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,609 I'm Bernd Detlef H�hne. 825 01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:52,510 I am the elected representative for the Brandenburg prison. 826 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,680 I would like to set a few things straight. 827 01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:59,409 And also answer questions the public might have. 828 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,140 First, we want to disassociate ourselves 829 01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,449 from the acts of violence here 830 01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:08,399 and ask you not to take them too seriously. 831 01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:11,069 The amnesty resolution 832 01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:14,069 gave rise to deep disappointment. 833 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,930 Many prisoners in this country, including here in Brandenburg, 834 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,649 expected a totally different resolution. 835 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,880 We don't accept it the way it was passed. 836 01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,689 Certain things were not taken into consideration. 837 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,930 We want our demands incorporated into the measure, 838 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,699 the way we formulated them. 839 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,050 We worked long and hard on those demands 840 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,760 and no account of them was taken. 841 01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:44,609 We consider that outrageous, 842 01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:48,340 which is why we veto the amnesty. 843 01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:56,470 For eXample, we object to the fact that many people in the past, 844 01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,869 who were sentenced on the basis of article 44, paragraph 2, 845 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,500 and got an automatic sentence of 3 years, 846 01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,979 then got an additional sentence 847 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,779 for whatever law they broke. 848 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,789 With the result being a sentence Ionger than 3 years. 849 01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:19,079 And that applies to the majority 850 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,699 of the prisoners in jail. 851 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,770 So it's not just in Brandenburg. 852 01:17:26,430 --> 01:17:30,010 And that's why people are protesting. 853 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,659 This country is supposedly starting fresh. 854 01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:38,359 But it's not a new start with old prisoners. 855 01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:42,930 On the one side, you have the criminals wearing tail coats. 856 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,689 On the other side the petty criminals' 857 01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:49,060 who take responsibility and serve their time. 858 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,720 The criminals in tailcoats are allowed to go free. 859 01:17:53,470 --> 01:17:56,140 Evidence against them is disappearing. 860 01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,279 There's new information every day, but no action is taken. 861 01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:01,899 That is also outrageous. 862 01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,039 I also want to say 863 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,890 about the brief incident here 864 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,600 that we got it under control ourselves. 865 01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:14,479 And will continue to guarantee calm and discipline. 866 01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:18,399 We're serious about it. You can see our armbands here. 867 01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:21,239 They say 'no violence'. 868 01:18:22,319 --> 01:18:24,779 We're not wearing them just for show. 869 01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:27,149 We mean it. Thank you. 870 01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:35,279 I'm Ullrich H�nnicke. Born in 1956. 871 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,850 I'm the spokesman for block 1. 872 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,390 This is my fifth time in prison. 873 01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:43,600 After my release in the 1987 amnesty, 874 01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:45,859 I was a free man for 31 days. 875 01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:48,260 Now I'm sentenced to 3 years, 3 months. 876 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,949 I have another year and 11 months open, 877 01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,699 so a total of 5 years, 2 months and 3 weeks. 878 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,439 I've done a lot of thinking in the last few days. 879 01:18:58,199 --> 01:19:01,250 I'd like to talk about a specific question a journalist asked me. 880 01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:05,159 She asked why we landed back in prison 881 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,430 after the 1987 amnesty, 882 01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:10,649 and now we're asking for amnesty again. 883 01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:13,460 I'd like to make a fundamental point. 884 01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:17,020 The prisoners know 885 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,649 they failed personally, in civilian life. 886 01:19:21,390 --> 01:19:23,460 But it wasn't all their fault. 887 01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:27,449 Some 60 - 70 percent of them got into trouble 888 01:19:28,279 --> 01:19:31,689 because of simple ignorance and indifference. 889 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,720 How should I put it... 890 01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:38,479 because the people might have been able to influence our destinies 891 01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:41,039 were completely spineless. 892 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,489 We see the pictures every day but we can't participate. 893 01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:48,930 It gets worse every day, having to sit here and watch what's going on. 894 01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,619 We are completely passive in here. 895 01:19:52,279 --> 01:19:54,000 Only in the smallest circles, 896 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,670 only here in the prison, 897 01:19:57,390 --> 01:20:00,550 can we really get involved and step up. 898 01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,670 But life is passing us by. 899 01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:07,369 We desperately want to exploit this opportunity. 900 01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:10,279 There are many prisoners in block 1 901 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,380 who've been in prison more times than I have 902 01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:17,029 who have said to me completely honestly, in private, 903 01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,869 that they would never Ieave this country. 904 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,710 They would stay if they had even the smallest prospect 905 01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,449 of beginning a new existence. 906 01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:30,890 I don't understand why they tell us that people are afraid of us. 907 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,449 If I'm afraid of something, then I try to understand it. 908 01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:39,510 I ask the media to approach people on the street. 909 01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:42,569 Try and get people to understand 910 01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:45,909 that we are not incorrigible, bloodthirsty animals. 911 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,500 We are people who've made many mistakes. 912 01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:52,250 The last mistake was the one that landed us in prison. 913 01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:55,439 But we truly want to set it right, 914 01:20:56,119 --> 01:20:59,140 actively, as part of our free lives. Thanks. 915 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,479 Prisoner Wentzel, Volker. 916 01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:09,649 32 years old. 917 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,409 I'd like to talk about amnesty. 918 01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:18,060 In my opinion, the amnesty should be expanded 919 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,909 to give everybody serving here a chance. 920 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:24,819 All the 12 years, that I've been in here 921 01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:28,060 I've heard so much about certain articles 922 01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,239 about article 43, 44, 48 and so on. 923 01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:35,180 They are articles that, 924 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,130 in my opinion, which I've held for 12 years, 925 01:21:40,079 --> 01:21:43,800 can only drive people back in here. 926 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,369 What good is to make people contact the beat cop 3 times a week 927 01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:51,479 and get permission for things? 928 01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:55,439 I can't ring a cop's doorbell at 10 pm 929 01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:58,890 just to ask if I can bring my girlfriend home. 930 01:22:00,079 --> 01:22:02,920 Or them budgeting my money. 5 marks per day. What's that about? 931 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,670 Those are the things that those articles cover. 932 01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,310 As a normal, thinking person from the age of 20 or 25, 933 01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:13,609 I know who I want to bring home 934 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,340 or how I budget my money. Leave it up to me. 935 01:22:18,079 --> 01:22:22,050 And if I fall on my face without those 'regulatory articles', 936 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,859 then it's really my own fault and not the fault of some article. 937 01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:32,050 My name is Wolfgang Ernst. I'm 48. 938 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,739 I was also convicted of murder. 939 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,939 I've been in prison almost 8 years. 940 01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:45,039 And I'd like to say 941 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,060 that talking about the problem 942 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,560 is very difficult for anyone, young or old. 943 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,300 But I am very happy 944 01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:01,199 that this problem is now being discussed 945 01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:04,880 here in the prison 946 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,579 and probably also in public. 947 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,350 I'll make it simple. 948 01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,270 You've committed a crime 949 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,699 and most people probably don't understand why, even afterwards. 950 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,319 Then there's an investigation into how and why. 951 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,560 It's probably different everywhere. 952 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,149 You feel so guilty 953 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,310 you no longer know what to think. 954 01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:48,659 You are easily influenced. 955 01:23:51,079 --> 01:23:53,010 After several months 956 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,149 I still believed that atonement meant a life for a life. 957 01:24:01,430 --> 01:24:04,909 Then later, in prison, you meet others. 958 01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:08,340 And here, there's the custom 959 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,159 that we don't talk about our crimes to each other. 960 01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,149 We don't even mention it. Everybody knows. And that's good. 961 01:24:20,199 --> 01:24:23,149 Because those are terrible hours 962 01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:26,510 when you remember the past. 963 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:30,680 You need a lot of time to get your equilibrium back. 964 01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:41,279 It's hard for me to talk about it. 965 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,880 But we still have a little bit of hope. 966 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,899 And we hope that the public... 967 01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:55,750 ... doesn't see us as so horrible. 968 01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,229 But when I think of myself, 969 01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,850 before I was confronted with that crime 970 01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:07,880 I can understand them. Even just the word murder. 971 01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,079 I don't know. 972 01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:13,680 The word itself 973 01:25:14,430 --> 01:25:18,149 makes a normal person uneasy. 974 01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,640 We all understand that 975 01:25:26,119 --> 01:25:28,680 if the sentences are all reviewed 976 01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,970 some people will be successful. 977 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:33,920 How? 978 01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:37,529 I can't say. 979 01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,479 But we all understand 980 01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:46,869 that a lot of us 981 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,170 will have to stay here. 982 01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:56,850 Hang on. 983 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,770 My name is Michael Richter. I'm 27 984 01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,569 and I've been in prison for 7 years. 985 01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,600 I was sentenced to life in prison. 986 01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:15,989 But the sentence was reduced 987 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,760 to 15 years in 1987. 988 01:26:19,390 --> 01:26:21,600 You might wonder what I want, 989 01:26:22,279 --> 01:26:25,720 since my sentence was reduced in '87. 990 01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,220 But my situation is probably the same as many, many people in here. 991 01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:35,000 I still find the sentence too long. 992 01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,439 The verdicts that passed, 993 01:26:39,239 --> 01:26:40,470 including on me, 994 01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:45,199 they were made largely on the basis of specialist reports. 995 01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:49,689 I've seen those reports in my 7 years here. 996 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,460 They are like standardized forms. 997 01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:57,850 They talk about things like... 998 01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:03,560 ... cold affect. 999 01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,989 So the person is seen in a very bad light. 1000 01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,119 There are a lot of people in a courtroom. 1001 01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,539 And this man is then a murderer. And murder, in society... 1002 01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:19,649 Everybody knows what it means. I don't see myself as a murderer. 1003 01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:23,560 I committed my crime in the heat of the moment, like many others. 1004 01:27:24,399 --> 01:27:26,789 It's just the report. 1005 01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,609 The expert witness who writes it 1006 01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:35,449 wasn't even there during the crime. 1007 01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:37,659 How can he see inside me? 1008 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:40,409 How can he know what I felt or thought at the time? 1009 01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,949 I've seen how the media said 1010 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,520 it was today, or yesterday... 1011 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,689 They're saying people should feel threatened. 1012 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,609 That if we get out, 1013 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,619 public order and safety can no longer be guaranteed. 1014 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,390 What would happen 1015 01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,189 if the amnesty was structured the way we asked for it? 1016 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,489 How many people would really get out? 1017 01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:14,670 They won't get their full sentence waived. 1018 01:28:15,359 --> 01:28:17,180 That wasn't one of our demands. 1019 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:22,029 We asked that everybody benefit in some way from the amnesty. 1020 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,529 So each person gets part of his sentence waived. 1021 01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,699 It's not like somebody who just went in to prison 1022 01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,850 with a 15 year sentence would get out again. That's idiotic. 1023 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,789 Everybody should benefit a little. 1024 01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,300 Not like in the past, 1025 01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:41,840 the amnesties in 1987 or 1979. 1026 01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,989 What did people who committed serious crimes get from that? 1027 01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:48,619 It was a tiny portion. 1028 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,319 Especially people who commit serious crimes. 1029 01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:54,970 who are in here for long stretches. 1030 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,460 When they get out, 1031 01:28:58,319 --> 01:29:00,390 they're least likely to re-offend 1032 01:29:01,039 --> 01:29:03,069 and get sent back here. 1033 01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,489 The people who have misdemeanors, theft or something 1034 01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,279 were usually the ones who were back inside in a flash. 1035 01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:18,229 Everybody knows the reason for that. 1036 01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:23,069 A lot of it had to do with reintegration. 1037 01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,989 I was released from prison in 1981. I got an... 1038 01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,350 I'll call it a ''dump''. 1039 01:29:36,399 --> 01:29:40,539 In prison they said you'll get an apartment and a job. 1040 01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:43,970 I got out. I went to the mayor. 1041 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,949 He said, your job is set. But we have to find an apartment. 1042 01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,439 So we drove around and looked for an apartment. 1043 01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:53,289 We drove to a small village. 1044 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:56,789 The place used to be a school. 1045 01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,689 We went up some old, worn-down stairs. 1046 01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:03,350 The door downstairs didn't open. 1047 01:30:04,119 --> 01:30:06,789 It fell off the hinges. I went in upstairs. 1048 01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,010 The window sills were rotting, and covered in old clothes. 1049 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,600 When I tried to heat the stove smoked up everything. 1050 01:30:14,359 --> 01:30:16,609 There was no sink upstairs. 1051 01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:20,050 So when people get out and that's their reintegration, 1052 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,000 who wouldn't just resign themselves. Most people do. 1053 01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:28,039 To go back to the others, 1054 01:30:30,079 --> 01:30:32,750 who were sentenced as criminals. 1055 01:30:34,359 --> 01:30:35,590 Many of them, 1056 01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:38,329 and it's true of me too 1057 01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:41,800 plan to start a family 1058 01:30:43,159 --> 01:30:45,300 when they get out of here. 1059 01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,779 We really want to start anew. 1060 01:30:51,119 --> 01:30:53,369 It's not like you serve your 15 years 1061 01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,159 and are already thinking 1062 01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:59,090 about your next crimes. 1063 01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:03,310 They've learned from their time, even after 7, 8 or 10 years. 1064 01:31:04,119 --> 01:31:06,050 Not just after 15, 20 or 25. 1065 01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,180 What else can I say. Basically, those are my concerns. 1066 01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:18,239 Thank you. 1067 01:34:23,319 --> 01:34:24,970 BASIC SUPPLIES : 1068 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,810 GLLASS BOWL, CUP, SAUCER 1069 01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,590 COFFEE POT WITH TOP 1070 01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:33,510 KNIFE, FORK, SPOON, TEASPOON 1071 01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:35,979 BREAD PLLATE, CAN OPENER 1072 01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:38,659 SALT SHAKER, UTENSIL ETUI 1073 01:34:39,359 --> 01:34:41,529 BREAD BAG TOILETRIES BAG ('omit), 1074 01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:43,810 TowEL (oLIvE), TowEL (BEIGE), 1075 01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,520 DISH TOWEL, SPONGE (omit), 1076 01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:49,340 2 WASHCLOTHS, BED LINENS, PILLOW 1077 01:34:50,119 --> 01:34:51,869 2 BLANKETS, FOOD CONTAINER 1078 01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,100 END OF PART ONE 1079 01:40:58,279 --> 01:41:02,739 PART TWO 1080 10:37:04,239 --> 10:37:07,150 If we have to listen to all this we'll still be here tomorrow. 1081 10:37:07,919 --> 10:37:10,129 And the people of Hessenwinkel will still be unhappy. 1082 10:37:10,790 --> 10:37:13,459 The former building supervisor. We couldn't announce him. 1083 10:37:14,190 --> 10:37:17,000 We didn't even know what was going to happen here. 1084 10:37:17,750 --> 10:37:20,699 Who's the artist? - That's 40 years of experience. 1085 10:37:23,470 --> 10:37:25,720 Who's Mr. Werner? - A former building supervisor. 1086 10:37:26,389 --> 10:37:28,779 A Mr. Werner never worked at this place. 1087 10:37:29,510 --> 10:37:32,629 I'd like to act on the previous suggestion. 1088 10:37:35,029 --> 10:37:38,860 I'd ask you politely to introduce yourself. You just blow in here... 1089 10:37:39,870 --> 10:37:42,400 I'm an employee of BERRAG, Just like my colleague. 1090 10:37:43,110 --> 10:37:45,000 A building supervisor. 1091 10:37:45,639 --> 10:37:47,599 You work for SCHALCK? 1092 10:37:48,599 --> 10:37:51,230 We're not with SCHALCK! I'm not even a comrade. 1093 10:37:51,959 --> 10:37:54,239 But I deal with construction workers every day. 1094 10:37:55,870 --> 10:37:58,989 You're under Schalck's Commercial Coordination Department? 1095 10:37:59,790 --> 10:38:03,300 We're under BERRAG. We have a contract with BERRAG. 1096 10:38:04,190 --> 10:38:07,489 And BERRAG is part of Schalk's Commercial Coordination Dept.? 1097 10:38:08,319 --> 10:38:11,550 BERRAG is a registered private company. 1098 10:38:12,360 --> 10:38:16,639 But it's probably one of SCHALCK's front companies! 1099 10:38:17,919 --> 10:38:19,779 But of course! 1100 10:38:21,790 --> 10:38:23,889 Thank you for that introduction. 1101 10:38:24,830 --> 10:38:27,000 But listen, one more thing! 1102 10:38:28,470 --> 10:38:30,120 Set up a committee... 1103 10:38:30,720 --> 10:38:32,860 Pardon? - Tell us who you work for. 1104 10:38:33,510 --> 10:38:35,400 The ones who signed the contract 1105 10:38:36,029 --> 10:38:39,290 saying that much hard currency would be made available. 1106 10:38:40,110 --> 10:38:41,339 With name and address. 1107 10:38:41,870 --> 10:38:44,400 Hang on. You'll get anything you want. 1108 10:38:53,639 --> 10:38:55,529 I'm just a building supervisor. 1109 10:38:56,279 --> 10:38:58,309 All I can tell you is... 1110 10:38:59,639 --> 10:39:00,760 Quiet! 1111 10:39:25,279 --> 10:39:28,089 Citizen Heimann would like to speak. 1112 10:39:28,830 --> 10:39:31,000 She helped draft the open letter. 1113 10:39:31,720 --> 10:39:35,019 And I'll ask her to bring it up with her. 1114 10:39:36,790 --> 10:39:38,330 I want to say two things. 1115 10:39:38,919 --> 10:39:42,500 I'm in favor of ending this discussion now 1116 10:39:43,720 --> 10:39:45,819 and addressing the problems here 1117 10:39:46,639 --> 10:39:48,669 we still need to solve. 1118 10:39:49,510 --> 10:39:53,620 I'd say we should just try to form a commission 1119 10:39:54,830 --> 10:39:57,809 from our group. We'll appoint a few people. 1120 10:39:58,680 --> 10:40:00,959 Several people have offered to work on it. 1121 10:40:01,639 --> 10:40:05,150 We want to try to check that, in concrete terms. 1122 10:40:06,029 --> 10:40:08,199 If we don't get any hard information, 1123 10:40:09,190 --> 10:40:11,010 we'll have to rely on speculation. 1124 10:40:11,680 --> 10:40:13,470 That means, of course 1125 10:40:14,069 --> 10:40:16,879 that innocent people might be attacked. 1126 10:40:17,720 --> 10:40:21,160 But first of all we must talk to the 'person 1127 10:40:22,360 --> 10:40:25,059 who is responsible for this. And if we find out 1128 10:40:25,790 --> 10:40:29,019 the building is for the minister, then we need to ask him. 1129 10:40:29,959 --> 10:40:31,819 If we don't have facts to the contrary. 1130 10:40:32,430 --> 10:40:34,569 I'd say we conclude this here now, 1131 10:40:35,279 --> 10:40:37,739 form a group, people will be appointed, 1132 10:40:38,510 --> 10:40:41,669 and at the next citizens' meeting, we'll report. Agreed? 1133 10:40:42,510 --> 10:40:43,589 Yes. 1134 10:41:00,029 --> 10:41:01,220 Dear citizens! 1135 10:41:01,790 --> 10:41:04,110 People have been silenced. 1136 10:41:04,870 --> 10:41:07,120 But it's hard to do that to me. 1137 10:41:07,919 --> 10:41:09,709 My children always say 1138 10:41:10,360 --> 10:41:13,620 that when I die, they'll have to kill off my big mouth separately. 1139 10:41:14,510 --> 10:41:16,260 But in this case that's good. 1140 10:41:16,870 --> 10:41:20,730 First, I'd like to thank the mayor. I've now gotten a broad overview 1141 10:41:21,720 --> 10:41:23,819 of how things stand in Berlin-K�penick. 1142 10:41:24,510 --> 10:41:26,830 And I'm optimistic. - Microphone! 1143 10:41:27,830 --> 10:41:31,870 I'm optimistic that in Berlin-K�penick, 1144 10:41:32,830 --> 10:41:35,639 and especially here in Hessenwinkel 1145 10:41:36,559 --> 10:41:38,879 we'll be able to live happily and so on. 1146 10:41:39,559 --> 10:41:42,610 There's proof of that in last Saturday's concert. 1147 10:41:43,559 --> 10:41:45,879 I'd like to thank the German Democratic Women's Group, 1148 10:41:46,599 --> 10:41:48,209 and the Workers' Club 1149 10:41:52,790 --> 10:41:54,470 for that concert. 1150 10:41:55,319 --> 10:41:57,279 The Workers' Club... 1151 10:41:59,389 --> 10:42:02,300 It worked 10 years ago and it will work again! 1152 10:42:03,110 --> 10:42:05,779 That concert proved... 1153 10:42:07,389 --> 10:42:09,919 I'm an honorary member of the Workers' Club. 1154 10:42:10,639 --> 10:42:13,309 And I'd like to invite you to all future events. 1155 10:42:14,029 --> 10:42:15,540 You'll enjoy it. 1156 10:42:16,110 --> 10:42:19,300 And you'll be free of the hectic pace of work 1157 10:42:20,150 --> 10:42:23,309 and of the suffering the tumultuous great changes. 1158 10:42:24,190 --> 10:42:27,000 You'll be able to relax. 1159 10:42:27,919 --> 10:42:30,410 I'd like to... - Forty years! 1160 10:42:32,000 --> 10:42:35,230 Don't be so surly, so agitated. 1161 10:42:36,029 --> 10:42:40,139 We can agree on these things without getting so eXcited. 1162 10:42:41,870 --> 10:42:45,519 You make me lose my train of thought. 1163 10:42:47,830 --> 10:42:49,550 But I want to say 1164 10:42:50,239 --> 10:42:53,650 that the Workers' Club will continue its work. 1165 10:42:54,750 --> 10:42:56,779 And before the event 1166 10:42:57,430 --> 10:42:59,459 the Workers' Club committed to... 1167 10:43:00,190 --> 10:43:02,190 Mr. Mayor, do something ! 1168 10:43:02,870 --> 10:43:04,309 Shut up! 1169 10:43:05,559 --> 10:43:06,430 Stop. 1170 10:43:06,959 --> 10:43:10,290 We want to maintain a certain level of culture here. 1171 10:43:11,470 --> 10:43:13,889 But we also want to point out 1172 10:43:14,599 --> 10:43:16,809 that we should focus on the issues. 1173 10:43:17,470 --> 10:43:19,959 It is part of the issue. 1174 10:43:21,830 --> 10:43:25,199 But we're also discussing our lives in Hessenwinkel. 1175 10:43:26,029 --> 10:43:28,800 And I looked forward to that. I just want to say 1176 10:43:29,559 --> 10:43:32,790 that we have already found new people. 1177 10:43:33,919 --> 10:43:37,080 Or, one of the old ones. Our Mrs. Heimann 1178 10:43:37,959 --> 10:43:41,120 will offer readings of new books. 1179 10:43:45,319 --> 10:43:48,059 And Mrs. AXen, the lieder singer, 1180 10:43:48,790 --> 10:43:51,629 will perform for you in the spring. 1181 10:43:52,470 --> 10:43:53,730 Come along ! 1182 10:43:54,279 --> 10:43:57,120 It's never been as full as it is here tonight. 1183 10:43:58,239 --> 10:44:01,569 We don't want to listen only to things like this! 1184 10:44:02,510 --> 10:44:04,790 We also want to chat with each other. 1185 10:44:05,470 --> 10:44:08,629 Thank you for your attention. That was 3 minutes. 1186 10:44:50,870 --> 10:44:08,629 So much for getting the committee's report 1187 10:44:52,559 --> 10:44:54,239 So much for getting the committee's report 1188 10:44:56,750 --> 10:44:58,610 implemented in a closed session. 1189 10:45:00,790 --> 10:45:02,470 We'll take questions. 1190 10:45:03,360 --> 10:45:05,319 Are you, the petitioner, aware 1191 10:45:05,959 --> 10:45:08,349 that if the petition gets a majority vote, 1192 10:45:09,110 --> 10:45:12,589 many of the people it affects will not have the chance 1193 10:45:13,510 --> 10:45:17,300 to have their issues which could eXonerate t'hem 1194 10:45:18,239 --> 10:45:20,839 heard publicly? 1195 10:45:22,510 --> 10:45:24,540 We do not believe that. 1196 10:45:25,279 --> 10:45:29,629 We believe that those affected 1197 10:45:30,959 --> 10:45:33,839 are entitled first and foremost 1198 10:45:34,720 --> 10:45:38,199 to portray themselves and their destinies in public. 1199 10:45:39,639 --> 10:45:42,760 And we think a better way to do that 1200 10:45:43,559 --> 10:45:47,739 is if those people try to find their own public. 1201 10:45:48,680 --> 10:45:52,160 I think this house he, re in closed session 1202 10:45:53,150 --> 10:45:55,610 represents enough of a public forum. 1203 10:45:59,360 --> 10:46:02,800 Thank you. Any more questions? 1204 10:46:03,830 --> 10:46:04,949 Mr. Brecht. 1205 10:46:06,830 --> 10:46:08,830 No, it's a question for you. 1206 10:46:09,639 --> 10:46:11,989 Do you want to answer the question about to be asked? 1207 10:46:14,069 --> 10:46:16,910 If not, we'll have the public shown out first. 1208 10:46:19,599 --> 10:46:21,629 I'm Brecht. Social Democrats. Mr. Krause 1209 10:46:22,319 --> 10:46:23,970 don't you share my concern 1210 10:46:24,599 --> 10:46:27,650 that the names we plan to name here 1211 10:46:28,430 --> 10:46:30,360 have long since reached the media 1212 10:46:31,000 --> 10:46:33,250 through other channels outside of parliament? 1213 10:46:36,720 --> 10:46:39,669 I do share your concerns, 1214 10:46:40,559 --> 10:46:42,949 in so far as a newspaper once again said today 1215 10:46:43,870 --> 10:46:46,080 that minister Reichenbach 1216 10:46:46,959 --> 10:46:48,569 was a collaborator 1217 10:46:49,239 --> 10:46:51,660 although I show him in category 8, 1218 10:46:52,470 --> 10:46:54,400 which means he is not suspect. 1219 10:46:55,190 --> 10:46:57,510 Mr. Reichenbach himself 1220 10:46:58,190 --> 10:47:00,150 went on the offensive. 1221 10:47:00,790 --> 10:47:03,069 He went public to prove 1222 10:47:04,029 --> 10:47:08,980 the suspicions were unfounded. 1223 10:47:10,190 --> 10:47:13,629 We are of the opinion that we also have a responsibility here, 1224 10:47:14,599 --> 10:47:17,790 for instance vis-a-vis relatives. 1225 10:47:18,750 --> 10:47:21,519 We are also of the opinion that it is not sufficient. 1226 10:47:22,279 --> 10:47:24,029 Even as the chair,man of the faction 1227 10:47:24,639 --> 10:47:27,309 I did not get the list until 10 am yesterday. 1228 10:47:28,029 --> 10:47:32,000 I had no time to speak to the members of my faction. 1229 10:47:32,959 --> 10:47:35,349 The suggestion made here 1230 10:47:36,150 --> 10:47:39,029 that there was time for a discussion, is false. 1231 10:47:39,919 --> 10:47:41,500 I had no chance. 1232 10:47:48,069 --> 10:47:50,349 He doesn't want to answer any more questions. 1233 10:47:54,029 --> 10:47:56,379 I count on your agreement 1234 10:47:57,470 --> 10:47:59,569 with me giving the podium 1235 10:48:01,150 --> 10:48:03,040 to Mr. Stadermann 1236 10:48:04,069 --> 10:48:07,089 although he resigned this morning. 1237 10:48:08,959 --> 10:48:10,150 If it please you. 1238 10:48:12,870 --> 10:48:15,680 Microphone 4, please. Or come up here, if you want. 1239 10:48:34,750 --> 10:48:36,819 Madame President Iadies and gentlemen. 1240 10:48:38,000 --> 10:48:40,489 Yesterday evening, I had the opportunity 1241 10:48:41,239 --> 10:48:43,199 to be heard by the committee. 1242 10:48:44,959 --> 10:48:47,029 I have known for years 1243 10:48:47,720 --> 10:48:50,279 that substantial files about me exist. 1244 10:48:52,069 --> 10:48:54,239 Ten days ago, I was informed 1245 10:48:55,000 --> 10:48:57,169 that there is a file on me 1246 10:48:57,959 --> 10:49:00,129 regarding my categorization. 1247 10:49:01,000 --> 10:49:03,099 And I was urged to resign. 1248 10:49:04,029 --> 10:49:07,650 My request to be heard was taken into account. 1249 10:49:08,720 --> 10:49:11,599 This morning, I submitted the following letter to the president: 1250 10:49:14,360 --> 10:49:17,800 Dear Madame President the temporary board of examiners 1251 10:49:18,639 --> 10:49:21,800 has recommended I resign from the People's Parliament. 1252 10:49:22,680 --> 10:49:25,980 The board believes two criteria for this have been fulfilled. 1253 10:49:26,830 --> 10:49:27,739 First 1254 10:49:28,720 --> 10:49:32,199 I signed a memo obligating me to secrecy and cooperation. 1255 10:49:33,389 --> 10:49:36,620 Second, I wrote evaluations that hurt other citizens. 1256 10:49:37,559 --> 10:49:38,720 To the first point: 1257 10:49:40,110 --> 10:49:42,879 I was deputy director of research for a university 1258 10:49:43,680 --> 10:49:45,819 and bearer of all research projects secrets, 1259 10:49:46,470 --> 10:49:49,209 from the research plan under the aegis of Comecon 1260 10:49:50,000 --> 10:49:52,099 to internal university research. 1261 10:49:53,000 --> 10:49:54,400 It was incumbent on me 1262 10:49:54,959 --> 10:49:57,169 to keep all legal protection and patents secure. 1263 10:49:57,830 --> 10:50:00,319 I was obligated and sworn to uphold 1264 10:50:01,029 --> 10:50:04,010 patent and protection laws of the German Democratic Republic. 1265 10:50:05,000 --> 10:50:07,389 These protective duties in the German Democratic Republic 1266 10:50:08,069 --> 10:50:11,120 were overseen by a department of the State Security Services. 1267 10:50:12,239 --> 10:50:15,330 In this function I was obligated to protect 1268 10:50:16,510 --> 10:50:20,650 all issues relating to material, space and personnel, 1269 10:50:21,959 --> 10:50:24,209 until the relevant research results 1270 10:50:25,599 --> 10:50:27,319 were protected by patent. 1271 10:50:28,470 --> 10:50:31,660 That last sentence is not in the Ietter. Quote: To the second point, 1272 10:50:33,319 --> 10:50:36,410 after I became aware of flagrant abuse of office 1273 10:50:37,190 --> 10:50:39,010 and corruption by my institution's 1274 10:50:39,639 --> 10:50:41,779 party functionaries and state directors 1275 10:50:42,430 --> 10:50:44,989 I submitted analyses and petitions to the state leadership 1276 10:50:45,720 --> 10:50:49,440 and the Party Control Commission of the Central Committee. 1277 10:50:53,029 --> 10:50:56,540 Those analyses concerned the introduction 1278 10:50:57,720 --> 10:51:00,389 of thousands of tons of virus-contaminated pork 1279 10:51:01,110 --> 10:51:03,459 into canned food factories and institutional kitchens. 1280 10:51:04,360 --> 10:51:06,849 This led to the spread of hoof and mouth disease here 1281 10:51:07,559 --> 10:51:08,889 over many years. 1282 10:51:09,470 --> 10:51:11,430 The misappropriation of heating fuel; 1283 10:51:12,069 --> 10:51:14,459 the destruction of millions in research materials. 1284 10:51:15,190 --> 10:51:17,010 and siphoning off of wage and bonus money, 1285 10:51:17,680 --> 10:51:19,610 even from the Cultural and Social Fund. 1286 10:51:21,830 --> 10:51:23,510 As a result of those reports, 1287 10:51:24,110 --> 10:51:26,360 I was banned from working in 1981. 1288 10:51:27,279 --> 10:51:29,559 As a dissident until the end of 1'989 1289 10:51:30,239 --> 10:51:32,489 I was subject to special treatment 1290 10:51:33,830 --> 10:51:37,620 aimed at either breaking me or expatriating me. 1291 10:51:38,680 --> 10:51:40,540 My wife, children and friends 1292 10:51:41,150 --> 10:51:43,220 also suffered special treatment. 1293 10:51:45,919 --> 10:51:48,760 The measures ranged from attempts 1294 10:51:50,000 --> 10:51:52,349 to forcibly commit me to a mental hospital 1295 10:51:53,069 --> 10:51:55,699 to theft, property damage, and even assassination attempts. 1296 10:51:56,470 --> 10:51:59,239 My family and I have seen almost the entire spectrum 1297 10:52:00,000 --> 10:52:02,669 of measures used against dissidents back then. 1298 10:52:04,639 --> 10:52:06,319 My attempts to defend myself 1299 10:52:06,919 --> 10:52:09,019 are documented by more than 16 trials. 1300 10:52:11,389 --> 10:52:13,639 As a result of my petitions and analyses, 1301 10:52:14,360 --> 10:52:16,750 some of the abuses were addressed 1302 10:52:17,510 --> 10:52:19,400 and personnel changes were made. 1303 10:52:20,150 --> 10:52:21,589 I still do not, however 1304 10:52:22,150 --> 10:52:25,169 share the categorizations of the board of eXaminers. 1305 10:52:26,110 --> 10:52:28,599 The fight against abuse of power and corruption 1306 10:52:29,319 --> 10:52:31,709 in the years 1976 - 198O 1307 10:52:33,510 --> 10:52:36,559 and my fight afterwards, until 1989 1308 10:52:37,389 --> 10:52:39,180 were not denunciations 1309 10:52:39,790 --> 10:52:42,839 but my modest attempt to end pathological excesses 1310 10:52:43,680 --> 10:52:46,870 in the leadership organs of the German Democratic Republic. 1311 10:52:49,360 --> 10:52:52,410 The standards of the board of eXaminers were set up formally. 1312 10:52:53,510 --> 10:52:55,760 I do not share the concept 1313 10:52:57,319 --> 10:52:59,180 of its methodology. 1314 10:53:00,389 --> 10:53:02,919 Nonetheless, I will resign my mandate for now, 1315 10:53:03,639 --> 10:53:06,379 because the rules of the game in this parliament demand it. 1316 10:53:07,790 --> 10:53:10,839 I also withdraw for now my candidacy for state assembly. 1317 10:53:11,870 --> 10:53:14,010 I can only exercise my passive right to vote, 1318 10:53:14,720 --> 10:53:16,260 without libeling my person, 1319 10:53:16,919 --> 10:53:20,150 when the parliamentary committee or parliament 1320 10:53:21,559 --> 10:53:23,910 or a judge's verdict 1321 10:53:24,680 --> 10:53:26,540 in my ongoing rehabilitation trial 1322 10:53:27,239 --> 10:53:30,430 conforms to my interpretation of what I said and did. 1323 10:53:32,319 --> 10:53:33,690 Yours faithfully. 1324 10:53:35,150 --> 10:53:37,220 I submitted that letter this morning. 1325 10:53:39,559 --> 10:53:43,489 Here, today, I must stress strongly for myself 1326 10:53:45,870 --> 10:53:48,330 that anyone who was in a leadership position 1327 10:53:50,000 --> 10:53:53,120 must have seen at that point 1328 10:53:54,919 --> 10:53:56,739 what was going on around us. 1329 10:54:04,279 --> 10:54:08,279 And the condition required to see it 1330 10:54:09,720 --> 10:54:13,300 was that you couldn't only see what you wanted to see. 1331 10:54:15,639 --> 10:54:16,760 Secondly, 1332 10:54:20,190 --> 10:54:23,489 you could only acquire that kind of information here 1333 10:54:24,389 --> 10:54:27,410 if you had reached a certain leadership level. 1334 10:54:31,319 --> 10:54:34,940 If somebody, like me, found themselves at the leadership level 1335 10:54:36,150 --> 10:54:39,519 and became guilty simply by virtue of reaching that level, 1336 10:54:41,110 --> 10:54:42,830 if that is the standard 1337 10:54:45,720 --> 10:54:48,139 and parliament approves such a standard, 1338 10:54:49,559 --> 10:54:53,000 then I bow to the judgment of this parliamentary committee. 1339 10:54:54,870 --> 10:54:57,540 If the things I began doing 14 years ago 1340 10:55:00,680 --> 10:55:04,440 are still characterized as crimes and morally reprehensible, 1341 10:55:06,959 --> 10:55:09,059 still coloring my name, 1342 10:55:11,639 --> 10:55:14,169 then, even if only one person in this parliament agrees, 1343 10:55:14,870 --> 10:55:16,589 I can't go along with that. 1344 10:55:17,190 --> 10:55:21,019 I have learned a lot in this life. But not to give up. 1345 10:55:21,919 --> 10:55:24,480 Those 10 years are not over yet for me and my family. 1346 10:55:25,239 --> 10:55:27,839 And the criminal acts I've only hinted at, 1347 10:55:28,559 --> 10:55:31,580 are much more extensive and I'll put and end to them. 1348 10:55:32,360 --> 10:55:33,410 Thank you. 1349 10:55:35,830 --> 10:55:38,220 Another question? 1350 10:55:39,830 --> 10:55:42,110 Alwin Ziel has a question. 1351 10:55:44,830 --> 10:55:46,160 M.P. Ziel. 1352 10:55:47,919 --> 10:55:49,040 Social Democrats. 1353 10:55:49,919 --> 10:55:53,470 Sir, you took action. 1354 10:55:54,510 --> 10:55:58,129 Far too late, in my opinion, but I respect it. 1355 10:55:59,239 --> 10:56:02,010 But wouldn't you also consider it fair 1356 10:56:02,870 --> 10:56:06,449 if other unofficial collaborators with the Stasi 1357 10:56:07,319 --> 10:56:10,480 who apparently were among us the whole time, 1358 10:56:11,430 --> 10:56:12,940 would stand up and say 1359 10:56:13,599 --> 10:56:16,339 'I worked with the Stasi 1360 10:56:17,239 --> 10:56:20,610 I may have made myself guilty by doing so. 1361 10:56:21,599 --> 10:56:23,849 I'm sorry'. Isn't it time for that? 1362 10:56:25,959 --> 10:56:27,750 That was my personal explanation. 1363 10:56:29,510 --> 10:56:31,370 My explanation and my actions 1364 10:56:32,029 --> 10:56:35,680 have not changed for many years, and won't change today. 1365 10:56:36,720 --> 10:56:39,250 And to your remark that it was too late... 1366 10:56:41,959 --> 10:56:43,849 It's never too late. 1367 10:56:44,790 --> 10:56:47,879 And anybody working in a similar position in the future, 1368 10:56:48,959 --> 10:56:52,260 who is responsible for the security of research results, 1369 10:56:53,639 --> 10:56:56,059 will also have to deal with 1370 10:56:56,919 --> 10:56:59,129 some security organization. 1371 10:57:00,029 --> 10:57:03,190 It just won't be called the Stasi. It'll have another name. 1372 10:57:04,029 --> 10:57:07,260 Every patent-holder here knows how complicated it is 1373 10:57:08,279 --> 10:57:11,930 to protect those ideas until a patent has been registered. 1374 10:57:12,870 --> 10:57:14,900 And the economists here know the problems 1375 10:57:15,559 --> 10:57:17,949 of dealing with existing patents 1376 10:57:18,639 --> 10:57:21,339 and patent infringement. That is simply business. 1377 10:57:22,389 --> 10:57:25,970 And anybody dealing with it in the future will confront it. 1378 10:57:27,389 --> 10:57:30,059 And if I ever have the chance 1379 10:57:30,830 --> 10:57:32,620 to work in the field again, 1380 10:57:33,830 --> 10:57:36,319 I will also have to protect research 1381 10:57:37,029 --> 10:57:40,190 until it is fully developed and ready to be marketed. 1382 10:57:41,029 --> 10:57:42,889 It's currently not my problem 1383 10:57:43,559 --> 10:57:47,279 because my career after 1985 as a PhD in economics 1384 10:57:48,360 --> 10:57:51,660 was limited to cutting reeds with a sickle. A perfect fit. 1385 10:57:52,470 --> 10:57:55,279 That's why I became a businessman a little sooner than many of you. 1386 10:57:59,559 --> 10:58:00,680 Are you not of my opinion 1387 10:58:01,239 --> 10:58:03,980 that the Stasi was an organization of injustice? 1388 10:58:08,830 --> 10:58:10,790 I think I answered that question 1389 10:58:11,430 --> 10:58:14,059 with my explanation and can differentiate. 1390 10:58:16,430 --> 10:58:19,339 I have a fundamental objection to that generalization. 1391 10:58:22,559 --> 10:58:24,069 My son 1392 10:58:25,360 --> 10:58:28,800 is a member of the National People's Army. 1393 10:58:29,639 --> 10:58:31,220 He wears the blue uniform. 1394 10:58:33,720 --> 10:58:35,300 He sailed for years, 1395 10:58:35,870 --> 10:58:37,870 and I raised him to go to sea. 1396 10:58:39,279 --> 10:58:40,889 My family are sailors. 1397 10:58:42,190 --> 10:58:45,739 He did it by going aboard the training ship ''Wilhelm Pieck''. 1398 10:58:46,830 --> 10:58:49,459 He trained as a petty officer in the People's Navy. 1399 10:58:50,319 --> 10:58:53,800 But because he wears glasses, he remained stationed on land. 1400 10:58:54,720 --> 10:58:57,629 The coastal forces were Stasi. 1401 10:58:58,790 --> 10:59:00,889 In 5 days, he'll become a member of the German military. 1402 10:59:01,559 --> 10:59:03,139 That's why I differentiate. 1403 10:59:06,389 --> 10:59:08,419 I condemn the crimes 1404 10:59:09,279 --> 10:59:11,949 committed against people who revolted 1405 10:59:12,720 --> 10:59:15,769 against the way this economy was exploited 1406 10:59:16,559 --> 10:59:18,589 and driven into the ground. 1407 10:59:19,430 --> 10:59:20,830 I condemn all the people 1408 10:59:21,389 --> 10:59:23,919 who enriched themselves by way of criminal acts. 1409 10:59:24,680 --> 10:59:26,680 Believe me, I know what I'm saying. 1410 10:59:27,360 --> 10:59:30,690 I was a deputy on the committee eXamining bank accounts 1411 10:59:32,150 --> 10:59:34,180 for the currency eXchange. 1412 10:59:35,029 --> 10:59:36,779 However, I still differentiate. 1413 10:59:37,389 --> 10:59:40,650 Hate is a bad motivator. 1414 10:59:41,599 --> 10:59:43,250 Anybody who acted criminally 1415 10:59:43,870 --> 10:59:47,029 must appear personally before a court of this country, 1416 10:59:47,919 --> 10:59:50,620 or of Germany, after October 3. 1417 10:59:54,029 --> 10:59:55,610 Ms. Barbe has a question. 1418 10:59:58,870 --> 11:00:01,010 Ms. Barbe. Social Democrats. Mr. Stadelmeyer, 1419 11:00:01,680 --> 11:00:03,849 never mind differentiation. 1420 11:00:04,639 --> 11:00:06,779 You didn't have to accept the mandate. 1421 11:00:07,430 --> 11:00:11,400 You could have continued in business and had an effect 1422 11:00:12,319 --> 11:00:16,110 on the economic crimes that are becoming apparent today. 1423 11:00:17,029 --> 11:00:20,790 I ask you why you had to stand here as a member of parliament 1424 11:00:21,680 --> 11:00:25,089 when we now know that such people were susceptible to blackmail. 1425 11:00:26,790 --> 11:00:30,050 I wasn't susceptible to blackmail. Nor will I be in the future. 1426 11:00:31,069 --> 11:00:32,819 When this parliament was formed, 1427 11:00:33,430 --> 11:00:36,099 I could have claimed, work commitments 1428 11:00:36,830 --> 11:00:38,900 or said I was sick or gone to a spa. 1429 11:00:39,599 --> 11:00:41,879 Unfortunately, I never learned to do that. 1430 11:00:42,559 --> 11:00:44,519 And I don't consider myself guilty of anything. 1431 11:00:45,190 --> 11:00:47,360 I don't know what's easier. 1432 11:00:48,110 --> 11:00:49,930 To wait until October 7 1433 11:00:51,190 --> 11:00:53,400 and get up here today to reproach me. 1434 11:00:54,319 --> 11:00:56,069 Or to have started 14 years ago 1435 11:00:56,680 --> 11:00:59,660 using all my physical and mental powers 1436 11:01:00,559 --> 11:01:03,330 to try to prevent what was happening even then. 1437 11:01:04,279 --> 11:01:06,629 It was an illusion, you're right. 1438 11:01:08,110 --> 11:01:11,269 What I did wasn't enough. But I couldn't do anything more. 1439 11:01:15,430 --> 11:01:16,690 Please. 1440 11:01:18,430 --> 11:01:21,059 Should we continue in open session or not? 1441 11:01:23,720 --> 11:01:26,069 The cameras broadcasting to living rooms 1442 11:01:26,750 --> 11:01:29,519 must also now unfortunately, be turn'ed off. 1443 11:01:30,430 --> 11:01:33,730 I would ask viewers to take a break. Hopefully not as long 1444 11:01:34,599 --> 11:01:36,849 as the ones we've already asked you to endure. 1445 11:01:38,190 --> 11:01:40,930 I realize it's difficult for the viewers. 1446 11:01:45,360 --> 11:01:46,440 Perhaps... 1447 11:01:48,750 --> 11:01:51,239 Anybody who is not an M.P., please... 1448 11:02:15,029 --> 11:02:16,819 It began with the laughter of children. 1449 11:02:17,599 --> 11:02:18,930 And it will end with it. 1450 11:02:23,599 --> 11:02:27,010 A boy, 14 years old, applies to the German People's Police. 1451 11:02:31,239 --> 11:02:33,410 His mother and father work as cleaners 1452 11:02:34,069 --> 11:02:36,489 for the People's Municipal Authority. 1453 11:02:41,000 --> 11:02:44,089 The boy sits at a Sprelacart table in front of flowered wallpaper. 1454 11:02:45,279 --> 11:02:46,650 He reads aloud. 1455 11:02:51,959 --> 11:02:53,919 He is interested in forensics 1456 11:02:54,559 --> 11:02:57,190 in solving cases, in working with people. 1457 11:03:08,750 --> 11:03:10,290 Then time passed. 1458 11:03:11,790 --> 11:03:15,019 Today is a holiday. October 3, 1992. 1459 11:03:16,790 --> 11:03:18,470 There's a premiere at the cinema. 1460 11:06:03,790 --> 11:06:05,089 Those are the right-wingers. 1461 11:06:17,870 --> 11:06:20,500 Then there were the great changes, The boy left w�th his rucksack, 1462 11:06:21,239 --> 11:06:24,500 He went to Berlin and got stacks of Milka chocolate bars, 1463 11:06:25,319 --> 11:06:27,779 My f�rst tears came when he came back, 1464 11:06:28,599 --> 11:06:30,180 All I could think was 1465 11:06:30,919 --> 11:06:33,690 that my son had not on)y done without Milka chocolate 1466 11:06:34,430 --> 11:06:36,989 but maybe without a different, nicer life, 1467 11:06:37,720 --> 11:06:41,790 So maybe it's different over there, Better for our children, 1468 11:06:42,720 --> 11:06:45,040 And I always wanted the best for my son, 1469 11:06:45,830 --> 11:06:49,199 You must gather the strength you have left 1470 11:06:50,069 --> 11:06:53,930 and build a solid financial basis for your son, 1471 11:06:55,190 --> 11:06:57,750 Of course the West was tempting, 1472 11:06:58,639 --> 11:07:00,360 But I went mainIy 1473 11:07:01,510 --> 11:07:03,830 to provide security for my son, 1474 11:07:05,790 --> 11:07:07,959 And I talked to him about it, 1475 11:07:08,639 --> 11:07:11,309 I told him to be quiet in the apartment, 1476 11:07:12,069 --> 11:07:15,760 not to let anybody �n, I told him I'd send for him later, 1477 11:07:17,080 --> 11:07:19,150 And then I stayed, 1478 11:07:21,430 --> 11:07:23,709 But whenever I had vacation 1479 11:07:24,750 --> 11:07:26,919 I went and took care of Konrad, 1480 11:07:27,599 --> 11:07:30,720 I talked to him and helped wherever I could, 1481 11:07:31,669 --> 11:07:34,089 He had problems with domestic affairs, 1482 11:07:35,110 --> 11:07:36,830 He has a lot to learn, 1483 11:07:41,870 --> 11:07:43,169 Get out! 1484 11:07:44,559 --> 11:07:47,260 Skinhead ! Skinhead! Skinhead! 1485 11:07:52,720 --> 11:07:56,970 The youth movement, you could call it the skinhead movement ,,, 1486 11:08:03,470 --> 11:08:05,220 Stop this nonsense! 1487 11:08:06,790 --> 11:08:08,440 Absolute quiet here! 1488 11:08:09,080 --> 11:08:10,480 Give me the gun! 1489 11:08:13,110 --> 11:08:15,360 ,,, we all have our political opinions from somewhere, 1490 11:08:16,080 --> 11:08:17,129 wherever ,,, 1491 11:08:20,830 --> 11:08:22,830 ,,, that's impossible at the moment ,,, 1492 11:08:23,830 --> 11:08:26,040 ,,, we all have our political opinions, 1493 11:08:26,720 --> 11:08:28,019 however ,,, 1494 11:08:28,639 --> 11:08:31,129 The most important thing at the moment is that we stick together, 1495 11:08:32,000 --> 11:08:34,169 That/s the whole meaning of the youth movement, 1496 11:08:34,870 --> 11:08:36,550 They sprayed gas, those pigs. 1497 11:08:38,279 --> 11:08:39,930 ,,, just the comrader�e ,,, 1498 11:08:46,319 --> 11:08:48,000 ,,, it's a movement of boys 1499 11:08:48,639 --> 11:08:50,739 kids on the streets ,,, 1500 11:08:51,639 --> 11:08:53,989 Come on. - We have to get out of here. 1501 11:08:54,830 --> 11:08:55,839 Out! 1502 11:08:56,360 --> 11:08:58,319 Take the bottles! - Light on. 1503 11:09:01,279 --> 11:09:02,819 Bottles! 1504 11:09:05,830 --> 11:09:07,230 Take everything ! 1505 11:09:09,190 --> 11:09:12,379 ,,, think it's the modern version of the old days,, 1506 11:09:13,639 --> 11:09:15,430 people should stick together ,,, 1507 11:09:27,959 --> 11:09:29,849 Lights off! Lights off! 1508 11:09:32,389 --> 11:09:34,919 ,,, we were always the stupid Easties ,,, 1509 11:09:42,279 --> 11:09:43,680 Out! Out! 1510 11:10:08,559 --> 11:10:10,489 Come on! Downstairs! 1511 11:10:12,870 --> 11:10:14,449 Get out, man! 1512 11:10:15,029 --> 11:10:16,709 They're killing us in here! 1513 11:10:35,389 --> 11:10:37,779 ,,, what can you hope to achieve with violence? 1514 11:10:41,029 --> 11:10:43,029 Life is made up of violence, 1515 11:10:43,669 --> 11:10:46,269 I mean ,,, I'm different, 1516 11:10:47,190 --> 11:10:50,029 With people who think differently, I'd ,,, 1517 11:11:10,959 --> 11:11:12,680 Those are the lefties! 1518 11:11:15,510 --> 11:11:17,400 Hooligans! 1519 11:11:59,720 --> 11:12:01,300 Close the doors! 1520 11:12:03,599 --> 11:12:05,069 Lights out! 1521 11:12:07,080 --> 11:12:08,410 Lights out! 1522 11:12:16,959 --> 11:12:18,639 There aren't many of them! 1523 11:12:26,190 --> 11:12:28,400 Hansel and Gretel got lost in the woods, 1524 11:12:29,150 --> 11:12:30,690 It was so dark and so bitter cold, 1525 11:12:31,360 --> 11:12:33,680 They came to a gingerbread house, 1526 11:12:34,510 --> 11:12:36,540 Who lives here, they wondered, 1527 11:12:38,150 --> 11:12:41,029 Crunch, crunch, crunch, Who's nibbling at our house? 1528 11:12:57,319 --> 11:13:00,410 Hey, it's only 40 people. We'll punch their noses! 1529 11:13:25,639 --> 11:13:28,480 There're only a few! There aren't many! 1530 11:13:32,279 --> 11:13:34,029 50 at most. Maybe only 40. 1531 11:13:55,190 --> 11:13:56,940 Stop it or I'll break it! 1532 11:14:06,919 --> 11:14:09,129 Get lost! I'll break that over your head! 1533 11:15:19,319 --> 11:15:21,639 Henning, here is a tissue. 1534 11:15:57,430 --> 11:16:00,410 We're watching a film while your people destroy stuff. 1535 11:16:01,279 --> 11:16:02,959 Students. - What the hell is this? 1536 11:16:04,720 --> 11:16:07,319 And you accuse us of violence and all that shit. 1537 11:16:08,279 --> 11:16:10,279 Go write an essay! - Go study, man! 1538 11:16:10,959 --> 11:16:14,400 Then you can talk to your people! But there's no talking to you. 1539 11:16:15,360 --> 11:16:17,819 Some of you are even stupider than we are. 1540 11:16:21,790 --> 11:16:23,790 I got an F in biology and a D in math. 1541 11:16:24,559 --> 11:16:26,239 But I got an A as a Leipzig fan. 1542 11:16:29,750 --> 11:16:31,430 Doves of peace. 1543 11:16:33,919 --> 11:16:37,220 You just talk, talk, talk. What does that produce? 1544 11:16:38,029 --> 11:16:40,870 Nothing. Because you're idiots. You're stupid. 1545 11:16:50,029 --> 11:16:51,849 Let's go. It stinks here. 1546 11:16:52,750 --> 11:16:54,290 It stinks horribly of peace. 1547 11:17:03,870 --> 11:17:05,870 You think your camera is that great? 1548 11:17:07,150 --> 11:17:09,680 Live on location like in Bosnia and Herzegovina! 1549 11:17:10,559 --> 11:17:11,790 This is not right. 1550 11:17:12,319 --> 11:17:14,739 You're an asshole. Give me the cassette. 1551 11:17:16,150 --> 11:17:17,760 You're an asshole. 1552 11:17:18,959 --> 11:17:21,870 What you're doing is voyeurism. 1553 11:17:22,720 --> 11:17:25,879 That's voyeurism. - Really, this isn't right. 1554 11:17:26,919 --> 11:17:29,169 Explain yourself. - What are we talking about? 1555 11:17:29,830 --> 11:17:32,599 30 men are outside smashing the building. 1556 11:17:33,360 --> 11:17:36,980 You don't have to film that! - It doesn't matter what's filmed ! 1557 11:17:37,870 --> 11:17:40,500 Could you stop yelling so loud. It's late, people. 1558 11:17:44,190 --> 11:17:47,069 Listen. Anybody with nothing to do here can leave. 1559 11:17:48,029 --> 11:17:50,699 There's nothing you need to film here. 1560 11:23:38,190 --> 11:23:39,559 Happy New Year! 1561 11:24:08,430 --> 11:24:09,690 What's up? 1562 11:24:11,150 --> 11:24:12,480 No more fire. 1563 11:24:14,110 --> 11:24:16,389 Who's responsible for the whores? 1564 11:24:17,669 --> 11:24:19,279 Where are they? 1565 11:24:25,239 --> 11:24:26,819 Healthy new year! 1566 11:24:27,790 --> 11:24:29,440 Happy new one, fat boy. 1567 11:24:34,389 --> 11:24:36,139 Mattress! Mattress! 1568 11:24:53,639 --> 11:24:54,720 Dream. 1569 11:24:55,750 --> 11:24:58,139 From the warm dark lights are created. 1570 11:24:59,190 --> 11:25:01,360 They are like the stars in your eyes 1571 11:25:02,599 --> 11:25:05,970 when you press both fists against them long and hard. 1572 11:25:08,110 --> 11:25:09,410 I don't move 1573 11:25:09,959 --> 11:25:11,819 and have no desire to breathe. 1574 11:25:12,830 --> 11:25:15,150 The eyes don't blink, and they are fiXed. 1575 11:25:17,239 --> 11:25:19,449 The lights that shoot through the dark 1576 11:25:20,110 --> 11:25:22,209 are inert galaxies, circling one another. 1577 11:25:23,919 --> 11:25:26,410 Between them is hazy, murmuring space. 1578 11:25:29,470 --> 11:25:32,730 My body is softly pulled into the depths 1579 11:25:34,150 --> 11:25:38,120 to the place where individual lights blend into the blackness. 1580 11:25:40,639 --> 11:25:42,389 I sense a vibration. 1581 11:25:43,389 --> 11:25:45,250 First in my fingertips. 1582 11:25:46,029 --> 11:25:48,870 Then it gradually spreads over my whole body. 1583 11:25:49,919 --> 11:25:51,949 As it does, it becomes coarser and stronger, 1584 11:25:52,870 --> 11:25:55,220 until I can pick out the individual oscillations. 1585 11:25:56,110 --> 11:25:57,930 They occur in a ratio 1586 11:25:58,750 --> 11:26:01,940 that corresponds to the gentle approach to the absorbent black. 1587 11:26:04,150 --> 11:26:06,540 Whenever the strength of the individual oscillations 1588 11:26:07,279 --> 11:26:08,750 eXceeds the pain threshold, 1589 11:26:09,599 --> 11:26:10,860 I realize 1590 11:26:11,430 --> 11:26:14,339 that it's my own heartbeat and I wake up. 1591 11:26:15,319 --> 11:26:17,489 There is a vast darkness before my eyes. 1592 11:29:51,430 --> 11:29:52,730 This is... 1593 11:29:53,430 --> 11:29:54,440 a... 1594 11:29:55,959 --> 11:29:58,489 ... song my father used to sing 1595 11:29:59,319 --> 11:30:02,410 at home in a high tenor. 1596 11:30:03,959 --> 11:30:05,639 I heard it as a child 1597 11:30:06,389 --> 11:30:09,230 and tried to imitate my father. 1598 11:30:11,319 --> 11:30:13,989 Of course, I did it wrong. 1599 11:30:19,599 --> 11:30:24,269 In the green forest, 1600 11:30:25,959 --> 11:30:30,169 where the thrush sings. 1601 11:30:35,510 --> 11:30:38,529 And in the bushes 1602 11:30:39,870 --> 11:30:43,449 where the merry little dear springs. 1603 11:30:48,559 --> 11:30:51,510 Where fir and spruce 1604 11:30:52,790 --> 11:30:56,269 stand at the forest's edge, 1605 11:30:57,870 --> 11:31:01,279 where I dreamt 1606 11:31:02,389 --> 11:31:06,779 my loveliest childhood dream. 1607 11:31:08,559 --> 11:31:12,529 Where fir and spruce 1608 11:31:13,750 --> 11:31:18,459 stand at the forest's edge, 1609 11:31:21,080 --> 11:31:25,190 where I dreamt 1610 11:31:26,510 --> 11:31:29,669 my loveliest childhood dream. 1611 11:31:56,360 --> 11:31:58,150 The little deer drank 1612 11:31:58,959 --> 11:32:01,660 from the clear stream. 1613 11:32:05,279 --> 11:32:09,529 While the cuckoo laughed 1614 11:32:10,470 --> 11:32:13,449 from within the woods. 1615 11:32:18,000 --> 11:32:19,580 Fir and spruce 1616 11:32:20,150 --> 11:32:23,589 stand at the forest's edge. 1617 11:34:08,830 --> 11:34:10,230 Translation: Rebecca Stuart 1618 11:34:10,790 --> 11:34:12,510 Subtitles: alias Film & Sprachtransfer, Berlin 124296

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