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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:26,915 Dick Cavett: Mr. Baldwin, 2 00:01:27,547 --> 00:01:30,627 I'm sure you still meet the remark that: 3 00:01:31,217 --> 00:01:34,047 "What are the Negroes... why aren't they optimistic? 4 00:01:34,220 --> 00:01:36,260 Um... They say, "But it's getting so much better. 5 00:01:36,431 --> 00:01:37,561 There are negro mayors, 6 00:01:37,766 --> 00:01:39,516 there are negroes in all of sports." 7 00:01:39,684 --> 00:01:41,944 There are negroes in politics. 8 00:01:42,103 --> 00:01:44,363 They're even accorded the ultimate accolade 9 00:01:44,522 --> 00:01:46,442 of being in television commercials now. 10 00:01:46,608 --> 00:01:48,228 (AUDIENCE LAUGH) 11 00:01:48,401 --> 00:01:51,111 - I'm glad you're smiling. - (AUDIENCE LAUGH) 12 00:01:52,197 --> 00:01:55,617 Is it at once getting much better and still hopeless? 13 00:01:56,826 --> 00:01:59,751 I don't think there's much hope for it, you know, to tell you the truth, 14 00:01:59,913 --> 00:02:02,753 as long as people are using this peculiar language. 15 00:02:03,291 --> 00:02:06,421 It's not a question of what happens to the Negro here, 16 00:02:06,586 --> 00:02:07,916 or to the black man here, 17 00:02:08,797 --> 00:02:10,967 that's a very vivid question for me, you know, 18 00:02:11,132 --> 00:02:13,302 but the real question is what's going to happen to this country. 19 00:02:13,468 --> 00:02:14,548 I have to repeat that. 20 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:16,969 ♪ You're damn right, I've got the blues, ♪ 21 00:02:18,014 --> 00:02:20,894 ♪ From my head down to my shoes ♪ 22 00:02:25,146 --> 00:02:27,856 ♪ You're damn right, I've got the blues, ♪ 23 00:02:28,024 --> 00:02:30,284 ♪ From my head down to my shoes ♪ 24 00:02:35,323 --> 00:02:37,243 ♪ I can't win 25 00:02:37,992 --> 00:02:40,622 ♪ 'Cause I don't have a thing to lose ♪ 26 00:02:44,958 --> 00:02:47,918 ♪ I stopped by my daughter's house ♪ 27 00:02:48,086 --> 00:02:50,416 ♪ You know I just want to use the phone ♪ 28 00:02:55,134 --> 00:02:56,764 ♪ I stopped by my daughter's house ♪ 29 00:02:57,846 --> 00:03:00,806 ♪ You know I just want to use the phone ♪ 30 00:03:02,559 --> 00:03:06,059 (SAMUEL JACKSON NARRATES WORDS/ VOICE OF JAMES BALDWIN) 31 00:03:19,826 --> 00:03:22,036 (SIREN BLARING) 32 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:25,000 The summer has scarcely begun, 33 00:03:25,623 --> 00:03:28,133 and I feel already that it's almost over. 34 00:03:30,128 --> 00:03:31,958 And I will be 55. 35 00:03:32,130 --> 00:03:35,970 Yes, 55, in a month. 36 00:03:37,969 --> 00:03:40,049 I am about to undertake the journey. 37 00:03:41,097 --> 00:03:43,677 And this is a journey, to tell you the truth, 38 00:03:44,350 --> 00:03:46,940 which I always knew that I would have to make, 39 00:03:47,437 --> 00:03:49,687 but had hoped, perhaps, 40 00:03:50,315 --> 00:03:52,275 certainly had hoped, 41 00:03:52,609 --> 00:03:54,399 not to have to make so soon. 42 00:03:57,113 --> 00:03:59,243 I am saying that a journey is called that 43 00:03:59,407 --> 00:04:01,367 because you cannot know what you will discover 44 00:04:01,534 --> 00:04:02,794 on the journey, 45 00:04:03,328 --> 00:04:05,708 what you will do with what you find, 46 00:04:05,872 --> 00:04:08,672 or what you find will do to you. 47 00:04:09,959 --> 00:04:11,459 Not only have a right to be free, 48 00:04:11,628 --> 00:04:13,668 - we have a duty to be free. - Crowd: Yeah. 49 00:04:13,838 --> 00:04:16,798 And so when you sit down on the bus and you sit down in the front, 50 00:04:16,966 --> 00:04:18,716 or sit down by a white person, 51 00:04:19,302 --> 00:04:22,352 you are sitting there because you have a duty to sit down, 52 00:04:22,513 --> 00:04:24,433 not merely because you have a right. 53 00:04:25,099 --> 00:04:27,519 Baldwin: The time of these lives and deaths, 54 00:04:27,685 --> 00:04:30,685 from a public point of view, is 1955, 55 00:04:30,855 --> 00:04:32,265 when we first heard of Martin, 56 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,110 to 1968, when he was murdered. 57 00:04:38,237 --> 00:04:41,117 Medgar was murdered in the summer of 1963. 58 00:04:42,033 --> 00:04:44,913 Malcolm was murdered in 1965. 59 00:04:45,078 --> 00:04:48,788 ♪ Here, take my hand, Precious Lord ♪ 60 00:04:49,624 --> 00:04:51,214 ♪ Lead me on ♪ 61 00:04:51,542 --> 00:04:53,132 ♪ Let me stand ♪ 62 00:04:53,628 --> 00:04:55,168 ♪ I am tired ♪ 63 00:04:55,421 --> 00:04:56,921 ♪ I'm weak ♪ 64 00:04:57,256 --> 00:04:59,006 ♪ I am worn ♪ 65 00:05:01,219 --> 00:05:02,509 ♪ Through the storm ♪ 66 00:05:02,679 --> 00:05:04,059 Baldwin: The three men, 67 00:05:04,222 --> 00:05:08,392 Medgar, Malcolm, and Martin, were very different men. 68 00:05:10,687 --> 00:05:14,187 Consider that Martin was only 26 in 1955. 69 00:05:14,899 --> 00:05:18,279 He took on his shoulders the weight of the crimes, 70 00:05:18,528 --> 00:05:21,358 and the lies, and the hope of a nation. 71 00:05:25,326 --> 00:05:27,196 I want these three lives to bang against 72 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:30,580 and reveal each other, as in truth, they did 73 00:05:31,457 --> 00:05:32,827 and use their dreadful journey 74 00:05:33,001 --> 00:05:34,751 as a means of instructing the people 75 00:05:34,919 --> 00:05:36,419 whom they loved so much, 76 00:05:36,838 --> 00:05:38,008 who betrayed them, 77 00:05:38,673 --> 00:05:40,763 and for whom they gave their lives. 78 00:05:40,925 --> 00:05:43,215 (TRAIN RATTLES) 79 00:06:00,111 --> 00:06:01,901 Leander Perez: The moment a negro child 80 00:06:02,071 --> 00:06:03,741 walks into the school, 81 00:06:03,906 --> 00:06:07,576 every decent, self-respecting, loving parent 82 00:06:07,744 --> 00:06:11,084 should take his white child out of that broken school. 83 00:06:11,289 --> 00:06:13,369 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 84 00:06:33,811 --> 00:06:35,481 Go back to your own school. 85 00:06:43,905 --> 00:06:47,405 God forgives murder and he forgives adultery. 86 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:49,327 But He is very angry 87 00:06:49,494 --> 00:06:51,954 and He actually curses all who do integrate. 88 00:06:52,121 --> 00:06:54,541 - (CROWD SHOUTING) - (WHISTLES BLOWING) 89 00:07:02,799 --> 00:07:05,049 Baldwin: That's when I saw the photograph. 90 00:07:06,135 --> 00:07:08,045 On every newspaper kiosk 91 00:07:08,221 --> 00:07:11,141 on that wide, tree-shaped boulevard in Paris, 92 00:07:11,307 --> 00:07:14,807 were photographs of 15-year-old Dorothy Counts 93 00:07:14,977 --> 00:07:17,807 being reviled and spat upon by the mob 94 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:19,690 as she was making her way to school 95 00:07:19,857 --> 00:07:21,437 in Charlotte, North Carolina. 96 00:07:22,443 --> 00:07:24,573 There was unutterable pride, 97 00:07:24,737 --> 00:07:27,527 tension and anguish in that girl's face 98 00:07:27,698 --> 00:07:29,778 as she approached the halls of learning, 99 00:07:30,118 --> 00:07:32,248 with history jeering at her back. 100 00:07:33,996 --> 00:07:35,366 It made me furious, 101 00:07:35,998 --> 00:07:39,168 it filled me with both hatred and pity. 102 00:07:39,627 --> 00:07:41,497 And it made me ashamed. 103 00:07:42,255 --> 00:07:44,835 Some one of us should have been there with her! 104 00:07:48,636 --> 00:07:50,386 But it was on that bright afternoon 105 00:07:50,555 --> 00:07:52,885 that I knew I was leaving France. 106 00:07:54,016 --> 00:07:57,306 I could simply no longer sit around Paris, 107 00:07:57,478 --> 00:08:01,358 discussing the Algerian and the Black American problem. 108 00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:04,396 Everybody else was paying their dues, 109 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:07,700 and it was time I went home and paid mine. 110 00:08:08,698 --> 00:08:10,948 ♪ If you was white, You'd be alright ♪ 111 00:08:11,242 --> 00:08:13,792 ♪ If you was brown, Stick around ♪ 112 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,830 ♪ But as you's black ♪ 113 00:08:15,997 --> 00:08:17,167 ♪ Oh, brother ♪ 114 00:08:18,457 --> 00:08:20,707 ♪ Get back, get back, get back ♪ 115 00:08:23,713 --> 00:08:25,843 ♪ I went to an employment office ♪ 116 00:08:26,048 --> 00:08:28,298 ♪ I got a number and I got in line ♪ 117 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:31,300 ♪ They called everybody's number ♪ 118 00:08:31,470 --> 00:08:33,850 ♪ But they never did call mine ♪ 119 00:08:34,015 --> 00:08:37,095 ♪ I said, if you was white, You'd be alright ♪ 120 00:08:37,268 --> 00:08:39,938 ♪ If you was brown, Stick around ♪ 121 00:08:40,104 --> 00:08:41,734 ♪ But as you's black ♪ 122 00:08:41,898 --> 00:08:43,188 ♪ Oh, brother... ♪ 123 00:08:43,357 --> 00:08:45,567 (SIRENS BLARING) 124 00:08:51,199 --> 00:08:53,409 (INDISTINCT SPEECH) 125 00:09:04,295 --> 00:09:06,375 Baldwin: I had at last come home. 126 00:09:07,673 --> 00:09:10,013 If there was, in this, some illusion, 127 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:12,183 there was also much truth. 128 00:09:13,721 --> 00:09:15,311 In the years in Paris, 129 00:09:15,681 --> 00:09:18,431 I had never been homesick for anything American. 130 00:09:18,893 --> 00:09:21,153 Neither waffles, ice cream, 131 00:09:21,312 --> 00:09:25,522 hot dogs, baseball, majorettes, movies, 132 00:09:26,442 --> 00:09:29,152 nor the Empire State Building, nor Coney Island, 133 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,070 nor the Statue of Liberty, nor the Daily News, 134 00:09:32,281 --> 00:09:33,451 nor Times Square. 135 00:09:34,659 --> 00:09:36,449 All of these things had passed out of me. 136 00:09:37,245 --> 00:09:40,915 They might never have existed, and it made absolutely 137 00:09:41,082 --> 00:09:44,342 no difference to me if I never saw them again. 138 00:09:54,053 --> 00:09:58,103 But I missed my brothers and sisters, and my mother. 139 00:09:58,683 --> 00:09:59,983 They made a difference. 140 00:10:01,018 --> 00:10:04,228 I wanted to be able to see them, and to see their children. 141 00:10:05,439 --> 00:10:07,189 I hoped that they wouldn't forget me. 142 00:10:07,817 --> 00:10:11,107 I missed Harlem Sunday mornings and fried chicken, 143 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,699 and biscuits, I missed the music, 144 00:10:13,990 --> 00:10:15,370 I missed the style... 145 00:10:15,574 --> 00:10:18,584 that style possessed by no other people in the world. 146 00:10:20,162 --> 00:10:23,002 I missed the way the dark face closes, 147 00:10:23,165 --> 00:10:25,875 the way dark eyes watch, and the way, 148 00:10:26,043 --> 00:10:29,713 when a dark face opens, a light seems to go everywhere. 149 00:10:30,506 --> 00:10:33,506 I missed, in short, my connections, 150 00:10:33,676 --> 00:10:38,136 missed the life which had produced me and nourished me 151 00:10:38,306 --> 00:10:39,556 and paid for me. 152 00:10:40,433 --> 00:10:45,233 Now, though I was a stranger, I was home. 153 00:10:47,023 --> 00:10:48,613 (MUSIC PLAYING) 154 00:10:55,573 --> 00:10:59,293 I am fascinated by the movement on and off the screen. 155 00:11:01,954 --> 00:11:03,374 I am about seven. 156 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,920 I'm with my mother, or my aunt. 157 00:11:07,877 --> 00:11:11,167 The movie is Dance, Fools, Dance. 158 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:22,730 I was aware that Joan Crawford was a white lady. 159 00:11:24,185 --> 00:11:28,265 Yet, I remember being sent to the store sometime later, 160 00:11:28,773 --> 00:11:30,863 and a colored woman who, to me, 161 00:11:31,067 --> 00:11:32,897 looked exactly like Joan Crawford, 162 00:11:33,235 --> 00:11:34,485 was buying something. 163 00:11:35,446 --> 00:11:37,156 She was incredibly beautiful. 164 00:11:37,907 --> 00:11:41,157 She looked down at me with so beautiful a smile 165 00:11:41,911 --> 00:11:43,871 that I was not even embarrassed, 166 00:11:44,789 --> 00:11:46,249 which was rare for me. 167 00:11:47,541 --> 00:11:50,751 (APPLAUSE) 168 00:11:55,466 --> 00:11:56,926 By this time, 169 00:11:57,301 --> 00:12:00,811 I had been taken in hand by a young white schoolteacher 170 00:12:00,971 --> 00:12:03,851 named Bill Miller, a beautiful woman, 171 00:12:04,475 --> 00:12:05,885 very important to me. 172 00:12:07,603 --> 00:12:11,153 She gave me books to read and talked to me about the books, 173 00:12:11,315 --> 00:12:12,725 and about the world: 174 00:12:13,526 --> 00:12:17,196 about Ethiopia, and Italy, 175 00:12:18,114 --> 00:12:19,914 and the German Third Reich, 176 00:12:20,908 --> 00:12:23,198 and took me to see plays and films, 177 00:12:23,577 --> 00:12:25,327 to which no one else would have dreamed 178 00:12:25,496 --> 00:12:27,326 of taking a ten-year-old boy. 179 00:12:27,498 --> 00:12:29,498 (INDISTINCT SINGING) 180 00:12:32,044 --> 00:12:34,384 - (SHOUTING) - (DRUMS PLAYING) 181 00:12:36,757 --> 00:12:38,797 It is certainly because of Bill Miller, 182 00:12:39,093 --> 00:12:42,013 who arrived in my terrifying life so soon, 183 00:12:42,805 --> 00:12:45,885 that I never really managed to hate white people. 184 00:12:46,809 --> 00:12:48,309 Though, God knows, 185 00:12:48,477 --> 00:12:51,477 I've often wished to murder more than one or two. 186 00:12:52,106 --> 00:12:54,226 (SHOUTING AND JEERING) 187 00:12:56,694 --> 00:12:58,784 Therefore, I begin to suspect 188 00:12:59,321 --> 00:13:01,741 that white people did not act as they did 189 00:13:01,907 --> 00:13:06,037 because they were white, but for some other reason. 190 00:13:06,454 --> 00:13:08,714 (WHIMPERING) 191 00:13:10,082 --> 00:13:14,382 I was a child of course, and therefore unsophisticated. 192 00:13:14,795 --> 00:13:18,875 I took Bill Miller as she was, or as she appeared to be to me. 193 00:13:19,592 --> 00:13:22,552 She too, anyway, was treated like a nigger, 194 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,310 especially by the cops, 195 00:13:24,472 --> 00:13:26,972 and she had no love for landlords. 196 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,639 ♪ Richard! Can't get him up! ♪ 197 00:13:30,811 --> 00:13:33,361 ♪ Richard! Can't get him up! ♪ 198 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:36,904 ♪ Richard! Can't get him up! ♪ 199 00:13:37,276 --> 00:13:39,986 ♪ Lazy Richard! Can't get him up! ♪ 200 00:13:40,488 --> 00:13:41,658 ♪ Richard! ♪ 201 00:13:41,822 --> 00:13:45,242 Baldwin: In these days, no one resembling my father 202 00:13:45,409 --> 00:13:48,119 has yet made an appearance on the American cinema scene. 203 00:13:48,287 --> 00:13:49,787 ♪ Can't get him up! ♪ 204 00:13:49,955 --> 00:13:52,575 ♪ We'll try to get him on the phone ♪ 205 00:13:52,750 --> 00:13:55,540 ♪ I was laying down dreamin'... ♪ 206 00:13:55,711 --> 00:13:57,761 Baldwin: No, it's not entirely true. 207 00:13:58,422 --> 00:14:02,262 There were, for example, Stepin Fetchit and Willie Best 208 00:14:02,426 --> 00:14:06,596 and Mantan Moreland, all of whom, rightly or wrongly, 209 00:14:06,764 --> 00:14:08,064 I loathed. 210 00:14:08,641 --> 00:14:11,601 It seemed to me that they lied about the world I knew, 211 00:14:11,769 --> 00:14:12,809 and debased it, 212 00:14:12,978 --> 00:14:15,608 and certainly I did not know anybody like them, 213 00:14:15,773 --> 00:14:17,153 as far as I could tell. 214 00:14:18,275 --> 00:14:21,605 For it also possible that their comic, bug-eyed terror 215 00:14:21,779 --> 00:14:24,109 contained the truth concerning a terror 216 00:14:24,281 --> 00:14:26,531 by which I hoped never to be engulfed. 217 00:14:28,035 --> 00:14:32,535 Yet, I had no reservations at all concerning the terror 218 00:14:32,706 --> 00:14:34,666 of the Black janitor in They Won't Forget. 219 00:14:34,833 --> 00:14:36,423 Give me police! 220 00:14:37,044 --> 00:14:38,424 Give me police! 221 00:14:38,587 --> 00:14:41,717 Give me... Give me police! 222 00:14:41,966 --> 00:14:43,626 Baldwin: I think that it was a black actor 223 00:14:43,801 --> 00:14:46,641 named Clinton Rosemond who played this part, 224 00:14:47,555 --> 00:14:49,715 and he looked a little like my father. 225 00:14:49,890 --> 00:14:51,640 I didn't do it. I didn't do it! 226 00:14:51,809 --> 00:14:53,769 I didn't do it! I didn't do it! 227 00:14:53,936 --> 00:14:55,846 Baldwin: He is terrified because a young white girl 228 00:14:56,021 --> 00:14:59,151 in this small Southern town has been raped and murdered, 229 00:14:59,316 --> 00:15:01,736 and her body has been found upon the premises 230 00:15:01,902 --> 00:15:03,202 of which he is the janitor. 231 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,030 Good morning, Tump. 232 00:15:06,323 --> 00:15:08,163 Baldwin: The role of the janitor is small, 233 00:15:09,285 --> 00:15:12,705 yet the man's face bangs in my memory until today. 234 00:15:12,913 --> 00:15:15,213 - I have done nothing. - Nobody says you have, Tom. 235 00:15:15,416 --> 00:15:16,416 But they might. 236 00:15:16,584 --> 00:15:19,964 Baldwin: The film's icy brutality both scared me... 237 00:15:20,129 --> 00:15:21,049 What for? 238 00:15:21,213 --> 00:15:22,633 ...and strengthened me. 239 00:15:23,465 --> 00:15:26,175 (WHIPPING) 240 00:15:29,054 --> 00:15:31,314 - (INAUDIBLE) - (WHIPPING) 241 00:15:43,694 --> 00:15:46,414 Baldwin: Because Uncle Tom refuses to take vengeance 242 00:15:46,614 --> 00:15:50,084 in his own hands, he was not a hero for me. 243 00:15:50,826 --> 00:15:52,746 - (GUNSHOT) - (SCREAMING) 244 00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:55,655 Heroes, as far as I could see, where white, 245 00:15:55,831 --> 00:15:58,131 and not merely because of the movies, 246 00:15:58,334 --> 00:16:00,544 but because of the land in which I lived, 247 00:16:00,711 --> 00:16:03,421 of which movies were simply a reflection. 248 00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:07,550 I despised and feared those heroes 249 00:16:07,718 --> 00:16:10,548 because they did take vengeance into their own hands. 250 00:16:11,096 --> 00:16:13,216 They thought vengeance was theirs to take. 251 00:16:14,099 --> 00:16:16,639 And, yes, I understood that: 252 00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:20,520 my countrymen were my enemy. 253 00:16:22,107 --> 00:16:23,147 (SCREAMING) 254 00:16:32,201 --> 00:16:36,001 I suspect that all these stories are designed to reassure us 255 00:16:36,163 --> 00:16:37,753 that no crime was committed. 256 00:16:38,749 --> 00:16:41,289 We've made a legend out of a massacre. 257 00:16:45,422 --> 00:16:48,262 Baldwin: Leaving aside all the physical facts 258 00:16:48,425 --> 00:16:49,585 which one can quote. 259 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Leaving aside rape or murder. 260 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:56,520 Leaving aside the bloody catalog of oppression, 261 00:16:56,934 --> 00:16:59,944 which we are, in one way, too familiar with already, 262 00:17:00,521 --> 00:17:02,441 what this does to the subjugated 263 00:17:02,815 --> 00:17:05,025 is to destroy his sense of reality. 264 00:17:05,776 --> 00:17:08,696 This means, in the case of an American negro, 265 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:10,409 born in that glittering republic, 266 00:17:11,365 --> 00:17:12,945 and in the moment you are born, 267 00:17:13,492 --> 00:17:16,872 since you don't know any better, every stick and stone 268 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:18,827 and every face is white, 269 00:17:19,623 --> 00:17:21,883 and since you have not yet seen a mirror, 270 00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:23,502 you suppose that you are too. 271 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,260 It comes as a great shock around the age of five, 272 00:17:28,382 --> 00:17:29,842 or six, or seven, 273 00:17:29,967 --> 00:17:32,337 to discover that Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, 274 00:17:32,511 --> 00:17:34,641 when you were rooting for Gary Cooper, 275 00:17:35,889 --> 00:17:38,229 - that the Indians were you. - (CROWD MURMUR) 276 00:17:38,434 --> 00:17:41,814 It comes as a great shock to discover the country, 277 00:17:41,979 --> 00:17:43,479 which is your birthplace, 278 00:17:43,856 --> 00:17:46,726 and to which you owe your life and your identity, 279 00:17:47,276 --> 00:17:50,026 has not, in its whole system of reality, 280 00:17:50,404 --> 00:17:52,574 evolved any place for you. 281 00:17:56,493 --> 00:18:03,463 Baldwin: 282 00:18:06,670 --> 00:18:08,840 I know how to do it, technically. 283 00:18:09,006 --> 00:18:11,466 It is a matter of research and journeys. 284 00:18:11,842 --> 00:18:15,512 And with you or without you, I will do it anyway. 285 00:18:17,181 --> 00:18:20,021 I begin in September, when I go on the road. 286 00:18:20,726 --> 00:18:23,646 "The road" means my return to the South. 287 00:18:24,354 --> 00:18:27,574 It means briefly, for example, seeing Myrlie Evers, 288 00:18:27,733 --> 00:18:28,863 and the children. 289 00:18:29,067 --> 00:18:31,527 Those children who are children no longer. 290 00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:36,781 It means going back to Atlanta, to Selma, to Birmingham. 291 00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:41,161 It means seeing Coretta Scott King, 292 00:18:41,330 --> 00:18:42,620 and Martin's children. 293 00:18:43,415 --> 00:18:44,825 I know that Martin's daughter, 294 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,960 whose name I don't remember, and Malcolm's oldest daughter, 295 00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:52,009 whose name is Attalah are both in the theatre, 296 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:53,967 and apparently are friends. 297 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:58,473 It means seeing Betty Shabazz, Malcolm's widow, 298 00:18:58,639 --> 00:19:00,219 and the five younger children. 299 00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:03,643 It means exposing myself as one of the witnesses 300 00:19:03,811 --> 00:19:06,561 to the lives and deaths of their famous fathers. 301 00:19:07,022 --> 00:19:10,322 And it means much, much more than that. 302 00:19:10,692 --> 00:19:14,402 "A clod of witnesses," as old St. Paul once put it. 303 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:24,250 Baldwin: 304 00:19:26,208 --> 00:19:28,918 I saw Malcolm before I met him. 305 00:19:30,295 --> 00:19:32,755 I was giving a lecture somewhere in New York. 306 00:19:33,215 --> 00:19:35,835 Malcolm was sitting in the first row of the hall, 307 00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:39,849 bending forward at such an angle that his long arms 308 00:19:40,013 --> 00:19:42,773 nearly caressed the ankles of his long legs, 309 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:44,426 staring up at me. 310 00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:47,266 I very nearly panicked. 311 00:19:47,896 --> 00:19:51,476 I knew Malcolm only by legend, and this legend, 312 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:53,530 since I was a Harlem street boy, 313 00:19:53,735 --> 00:19:56,565 I was sufficiently astute to distrust. 314 00:19:58,198 --> 00:20:01,578 Malcolm might be the torch that white people claim he was, 315 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,540 though, in general, 316 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,499 white America's evaluations of these matters 317 00:20:06,665 --> 00:20:09,325 would be laughable and even pathetic 318 00:20:10,002 --> 00:20:13,462 did not these evaluations have such wicked results. 319 00:20:14,631 --> 00:20:15,761 On the other hand, 320 00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:18,434 Malcolm had no reason to trust me either. 321 00:20:19,261 --> 00:20:21,721 And so I stumbled through my lecture, 322 00:20:22,639 --> 00:20:25,979 with Malcolm never taking his eyes from my face. 323 00:20:26,143 --> 00:20:30,273 ♪ Don't know why ♪ 324 00:20:30,772 --> 00:20:33,942 ♪ There's no sun up in the sky ♪ 325 00:20:34,109 --> 00:20:36,739 ♪ Stormy weather ♪ 326 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:43,039 ♪ Since my man and I ain't together ♪ 327 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:50,290 ♪ Keeps rainin' all the time ♪ 328 00:20:54,838 --> 00:20:57,418 Baldwin: As a member of the NAACP, 329 00:20:57,591 --> 00:21:00,721 Medgar was investigating the murder of a black man, 330 00:21:00,886 --> 00:21:02,796 which had occurred months before, 331 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:05,390 had shown me letters from black people 332 00:21:05,557 --> 00:21:06,807 asking him to do this, 333 00:21:07,142 --> 00:21:09,142 and he had asked me to come with him. 334 00:21:09,603 --> 00:21:10,603 ♪ Raise up! ♪ 335 00:21:10,771 --> 00:21:14,231 ♪ Get yourself together, And drive that funky soul ♪ 336 00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:15,689 Baldwin: I was terribly frightened, 337 00:21:16,401 --> 00:21:19,491 but perhaps that fieldtrip will help us define 338 00:21:19,655 --> 00:21:22,025 what I mean by the word "witness". 339 00:21:24,451 --> 00:21:27,451 I was to discover that the line which separates a witness 340 00:21:27,621 --> 00:21:30,831 from an actor is a very thin line indeed. 341 00:21:31,541 --> 00:21:34,421 Nevertheless, the line is real. 342 00:21:36,088 --> 00:21:38,508 I was not, for example, a Black Muslim, 343 00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:41,262 in the same way, though for different reasons, 344 00:21:41,426 --> 00:21:43,426 that I never became a Black Panther. 345 00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:47,387 Because I did not believe that all white people were devils, 346 00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:51,265 and I did not want young black people to believe that. 347 00:21:52,437 --> 00:21:55,607 I was not a member of any Christian congregation because 348 00:21:55,774 --> 00:21:58,074 I knew that they had not heard 349 00:21:58,235 --> 00:22:00,105 and did not live by the commandment, 350 00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:03,027 "Love one another as I love you." 351 00:22:03,991 --> 00:22:07,331 And I was not a member of the NAACP 352 00:22:07,953 --> 00:22:10,003 because in the North, where I grew up, 353 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:16,000 the NAACP was fatally entangled with black class distinctions, 354 00:22:16,795 --> 00:22:18,455 or illusions of the same, 355 00:22:19,214 --> 00:22:22,224 which repelled a shoe-shine boy like me. 356 00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:28,313 I did not have to deal with the criminal state of Mississippi, 357 00:22:28,473 --> 00:22:31,313 hour by hour and day by day, 358 00:22:32,019 --> 00:22:33,939 to say nothing of night after night. 359 00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:38,321 I did not have to sweat cold sweat after decisions 360 00:22:38,483 --> 00:22:40,743 involving hundreds of thousands of lives. 361 00:22:41,987 --> 00:22:44,317 I was not responsible for raising money, 362 00:22:44,948 --> 00:22:46,698 or deciding how to use it. 363 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:49,697 I was not responsible for strategy 364 00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:51,960 controlling prayer-meetings, marches, 365 00:22:52,122 --> 00:22:54,792 petitions, voting registration drives. 366 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,170 I saw the Sheriffs, the Deputies, 367 00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:01,050 the Storm Troopers, more or less in passing. 368 00:23:02,132 --> 00:23:03,932 I was never in town to stay. 369 00:23:05,177 --> 00:23:07,887 This was sometimes hard on my morale, 370 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,270 but I had to accept, as time wore on, 371 00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:14,975 that part of my responsibility, as a witness, 372 00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:18,690 was to move as largely and as freely as possible. 373 00:23:19,483 --> 00:23:22,573 To write the story, and to get it out. 374 00:23:30,827 --> 00:23:33,037 (JAZZ MUSIC) 375 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:08,821 We should all be concerned with but one goal, 376 00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:10,240 the eradication of crime. 377 00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:13,792 The Federal Bureau of Investigation is as close to you 378 00:24:13,954 --> 00:24:15,544 as your nearest telephone. 379 00:24:15,705 --> 00:24:17,165 It seeks to be your protector 380 00:24:17,332 --> 00:24:18,962 in all matters within its jurisdiction. 381 00:24:19,126 --> 00:24:20,246 It belongs to you. 382 00:24:50,949 --> 00:24:52,659 (ROCKET FIRING) 383 00:25:18,018 --> 00:25:20,978 Baldwin: White people are astounded by Birmingham. 384 00:25:21,813 --> 00:25:23,193 Black people aren't. 385 00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:29,030 White people are endlessly demanding to be reassured 386 00:25:29,196 --> 00:25:31,526 that Birmingham is really on Mars. 387 00:25:35,410 --> 00:25:39,830 They don't want to believe, still less to act on the belief, 388 00:25:40,832 --> 00:25:42,712 that what is happening in Birmingham 389 00:25:43,418 --> 00:25:45,748 is happening all over the country. 390 00:25:46,046 --> 00:25:48,546 - (CHANTING) - (WHISTLE BLOWING) 391 00:25:50,258 --> 00:25:52,838 They don't want to realize that there is not one step, 392 00:25:53,011 --> 00:25:55,311 morally or actually, 393 00:25:55,764 --> 00:25:58,024 between Birmingham and Los Angeles. 394 00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:00,978 (CROWD SHOUTING) 395 00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:11,985 (SINGING AND CLAPPING) 396 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,659 Officer: Move on, move on! 397 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:22,332 (SINGING CONTINUES) 398 00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:44,900 We've invited three men, 399 00:26:45,105 --> 00:26:47,315 on the forefront of The Negro Struggle, 400 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:49,779 to sit down and talk with us 401 00:26:49,943 --> 00:26:51,823 in front of the television camera. 402 00:26:51,987 --> 00:26:55,527 Each of these men, through his actions and his words, 403 00:26:56,157 --> 00:26:58,447 but with vastly different manner and means, 404 00:26:58,952 --> 00:27:02,292 is a spokesman for some segment of the Negro people today. 405 00:27:03,081 --> 00:27:04,961 Black people in this country have been the victims 406 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:08,165 of violence at the hands of the white man for 400 years. 407 00:27:08,336 --> 00:27:11,416 And following the ignorant negro preachers, 408 00:27:11,589 --> 00:27:14,379 we have thought that it was Godlike to turn the other cheek 409 00:27:14,551 --> 00:27:16,051 to the brute that was brutalizing us. 410 00:27:16,219 --> 00:27:19,469 Malcolm X, one of the most articulate exponents 411 00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:21,981 of the Black Muslim philosophy, 412 00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:25,595 has said of your movement and your philosophy 413 00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:29,610 that it plays into the hands of the white oppressors, 414 00:27:29,774 --> 00:27:34,454 that they are happy to hear you talk about 415 00:27:34,738 --> 00:27:39,118 love for the oppressor, because this disarms the Negro 416 00:27:39,284 --> 00:27:43,294 and fits into the stereotype of the Negro as a meek, 417 00:27:43,955 --> 00:27:46,245 turning the other cheek sort of creature. 418 00:27:46,416 --> 00:27:50,376 Would you care to comment on Mr. X's beliefs? 419 00:27:50,587 --> 00:27:54,877 Well, I don't think of love as... 420 00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:57,840 in this context, as emotional bosh, 421 00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:01,848 but I think of love as something strong 422 00:28:02,057 --> 00:28:07,017 and that organizes itself into powerful direct action. 423 00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:10,899 This is what I've tried to teach in the struggle in the South. 424 00:28:11,066 --> 00:28:14,686 We are not engaged in a struggle 425 00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:17,111 that means we sit down and do nothing. 426 00:28:18,239 --> 00:28:20,579 There is a great deal of difference between 427 00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:24,752 non-resistance to evil and non-violent resistance. 428 00:28:24,913 --> 00:28:28,123 Martin Luther King is just a 20th century or modern Uncle Tom 429 00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:29,631 or a religious Uncle Tom, 430 00:28:29,793 --> 00:28:31,383 who is doing the same thing today 431 00:28:31,544 --> 00:28:34,054 to keep Negroes defenseless in the face of attack 432 00:28:34,214 --> 00:28:35,634 that Uncle Tom did on the plantation 433 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:37,339 to keep those Negroes defenseless 434 00:28:37,509 --> 00:28:40,009 in the face of the attacks of the Klan in that day. 435 00:28:40,512 --> 00:28:45,932 I think, though, that we can be sure 436 00:28:46,101 --> 00:28:47,771 that the vast majority of Negroes 437 00:28:47,936 --> 00:28:50,016 who engage in the demonstrations, 438 00:28:50,188 --> 00:28:54,568 and who understand the non-violent philosophy, 439 00:28:55,026 --> 00:28:57,026 will be able to face dogs 440 00:28:57,195 --> 00:29:00,065 and all of the other brutal methods that are used 441 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,910 without retaliating with violence, 442 00:29:02,075 --> 00:29:03,485 because they understand 443 00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:07,540 that one of the first principles of non-violence 444 00:29:07,872 --> 00:29:11,082 is a willingness to be the recipient of violence, 445 00:29:11,251 --> 00:29:14,801 while never inflicting violence upon another. 446 00:29:18,383 --> 00:29:20,893 Baldwin: As concerns Malcolm and Martin, 447 00:29:21,261 --> 00:29:23,931 I watched two men, coming from unimaginably 448 00:29:24,097 --> 00:29:27,557 different backgrounds, whose positions, originally, 449 00:29:27,725 --> 00:29:29,015 were poles apart, 450 00:29:29,185 --> 00:29:31,855 driven closer and closer together. 451 00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:37,490 By the time each died, their positions had become, 452 00:29:37,652 --> 00:29:39,952 virtually, the same position. 453 00:29:41,448 --> 00:29:42,988 It can be said, indeed, 454 00:29:43,158 --> 00:29:45,368 that Martin picked up Malcolm's burden, 455 00:29:45,743 --> 00:29:49,253 articulated the vision which Malcolm had begun to see, 456 00:29:49,414 --> 00:29:51,374 and for which he paid with his life, 457 00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:53,923 and that Malcolm was one of the people 458 00:29:54,127 --> 00:29:55,747 Martin saw on the mountain-top. 459 00:29:57,464 --> 00:29:59,804 Medgar was too young to have seen this happen, 460 00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:03,136 though he hoped for it, and would not have been surprised. 461 00:30:04,179 --> 00:30:05,929 But Medgar was murdered first. 462 00:30:08,266 --> 00:30:11,556 I was older than Medgar, Malcolm and Martin. 463 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:15,690 I was raised to believe that the eldest was supposed to be 464 00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:18,987 a model for the younger, and was, of course, 465 00:30:19,152 --> 00:30:20,742 expected to die first. 466 00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:24,370 Not one of these three lived to be forty. 467 00:30:26,367 --> 00:30:29,577 Two, four, six eight, we don't want to integrate! 468 00:30:29,746 --> 00:30:32,706 Two, four, six eight, we don't want to integrate! 469 00:30:33,708 --> 00:30:36,128 (INDISTINCT SHOUTING) 470 00:30:41,966 --> 00:30:45,756 We want King! We want King! We want King! 471 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,600 - (GUNSHOT) - (SCREAMING) 472 00:30:50,934 --> 00:30:52,894 (SHOUTING) 473 00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:01,440 We need an organization that no one downtown loves. 474 00:31:01,986 --> 00:31:04,816 We need one that's ready and willing to take action, 475 00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:08,990 any kind of action, by any means necessary. 476 00:31:09,452 --> 00:31:11,202 (APPLAUSE) 477 00:31:12,997 --> 00:31:14,167 When Malcolm talks, 478 00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:16,042 or one of the Muslim ministers talk, 479 00:31:16,209 --> 00:31:20,129 they articulate for all the Negro people who hear them, 480 00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:25,093 who listen to them, they articulate their suffering. 481 00:31:26,219 --> 00:31:28,759 The suffering which has been in this country so long denied. 482 00:31:29,556 --> 00:31:32,596 That's Malcolm's great authority over any of his audiences. 483 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,604 He corroborates their reality. 484 00:31:35,228 --> 00:31:38,188 He tells them that they really exist, you know. 485 00:31:39,357 --> 00:31:41,437 - (SHOUTING) - (SIRENS BLARING) 486 00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:44,784 Officer: Get back. Get back! 487 00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:47,910 - I am! - (INDISTINCT CHANTING) 488 00:31:48,157 --> 00:31:49,907 - I am! - (INDISTINCT CHANTING) 489 00:31:50,076 --> 00:31:51,866 (SIRENS BLARING) 490 00:31:54,163 --> 00:31:56,463 (EXPLOSIONS) 491 00:32:03,881 --> 00:32:06,261 There are days, this is one of them... 492 00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:10,433 ...when you wonder... 493 00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:14,227 ...what your role is in this country 494 00:32:14,392 --> 00:32:15,942 and what your future is in it. 495 00:32:17,061 --> 00:32:18,981 How precisely are you going to reconcile... 496 00:32:21,733 --> 00:32:24,653 ...yourself to your situation here, 497 00:32:25,153 --> 00:32:28,623 and how you are going to communicate... 498 00:32:30,575 --> 00:32:34,495 ...to the vast, heedless, unthinking... 499 00:32:36,331 --> 00:32:38,671 ...cruel white majority 500 00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:40,544 that you are here. 501 00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:44,921 I'm terrified at the moral apathy, 502 00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,629 the death of the heart, 503 00:32:47,467 --> 00:32:49,217 which is happening in my country. 504 00:32:49,886 --> 00:32:54,426 These people have deluded themselves for so long 505 00:32:54,891 --> 00:32:56,811 that they really don't think I'm human. 506 00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:00,610 I base this on their conduct, not on what they say. 507 00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:03,940 And this means that they have become, in themselves... 508 00:33:05,652 --> 00:33:07,402 ...moral monsters. 509 00:33:08,905 --> 00:33:11,115 - (JAZZ MUSIC) - (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 510 00:33:11,282 --> 00:33:12,332 (CAMERAS CLICKING) 511 00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:45,574 Most of the white Americans I've ever encountered, 512 00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:48,283 really, you know, had a Negro friend or a Negro maid 513 00:33:48,444 --> 00:33:51,364 or somebody in high school, but they never, you know, 514 00:33:51,531 --> 00:33:54,081 or rarely, after school was over or whatever, 515 00:33:54,242 --> 00:33:55,832 came to my kitchen, you know. 516 00:33:55,993 --> 00:33:59,623 We were segregated from the schoolhouse door. 517 00:33:59,789 --> 00:34:02,289 Therefore, he doesn't know, he really does not know, 518 00:34:02,458 --> 00:34:04,088 what it was like for me to leave my house, 519 00:34:04,252 --> 00:34:05,802 to leave the school and go back to Harlem. 520 00:34:05,962 --> 00:34:07,422 He doesn't know how Negroes live. 521 00:34:07,588 --> 00:34:10,218 And it comes as a great surprise to the Kennedy brothers 522 00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:11,843 and to everybody else in the country. 523 00:34:12,552 --> 00:34:14,682 I'm certain, again, you know, 524 00:34:14,846 --> 00:34:17,926 that again like most white Americans I have encountered, 525 00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:19,349 they have no... 526 00:34:19,976 --> 00:34:21,726 I'm sure they have nothing whatever against Negroes... 527 00:34:21,894 --> 00:34:23,524 That's really not the question. 528 00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:26,190 The question is really a kind of apathy and ignorance, 529 00:34:26,524 --> 00:34:28,284 which is the price we pay for segregation. 530 00:34:28,443 --> 00:34:29,613 That's what segregation means. 531 00:34:29,736 --> 00:34:31,566 You don't know what's happening on the other side of the wall, 532 00:34:31,738 --> 00:34:32,858 because you don't want to know. 533 00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:34,700 I was in some way, 534 00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:37,946 in those years, without entirely realizing it, 535 00:34:38,327 --> 00:34:41,407 the great Black Hope of the great White Father. 536 00:34:42,373 --> 00:34:46,383 I was not a racist, or so I thought. 537 00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:51,670 Malcolm was a racist, or so they thought. 538 00:34:52,675 --> 00:34:57,095 In fact, we were simply trapped in the same situation. 539 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,429 Well, you tell that to my boy tonight, 540 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,350 when you put him to sleep on the living room couch. 541 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:05,190 And you tell it to him in the morning, 542 00:35:05,354 --> 00:35:06,484 when his mother goes out of here 543 00:35:06,647 --> 00:35:07,977 to take care of somebody else's kids. 544 00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:10,739 And tell it to me, when we want some curtains or some drapes 545 00:35:10,902 --> 00:35:13,322 and you sneak out of here and go work in somebody's kitchen. 546 00:35:13,488 --> 00:35:15,318 All I want is to make a future for this family. 547 00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:18,240 All I want is to be able to stand in front of my boy 548 00:35:18,451 --> 00:35:20,871 like my father never was able to do to me. 549 00:35:22,288 --> 00:35:26,788 Baldwin: 550 00:35:28,461 --> 00:35:31,381 Lorraine Hansberry would not be very much younger 551 00:35:31,547 --> 00:35:33,717 than I am now, if she were alive. 552 00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:37,387 At the time of the Bobby Kennedy meeting, 553 00:35:37,553 --> 00:35:39,433 she was thirty-three. 554 00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:45,599 That was one of the very last times I saw her on her feet, 555 00:35:46,354 --> 00:35:48,944 and she died at the age of thirty-four. 556 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,990 I miss her so much. 557 00:35:55,655 --> 00:35:58,405 People forget how young everybody was. 558 00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:02,617 Bobby Kennedy, for another, quite different example, 559 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,410 was thirty-eight. 560 00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:07,962 We wanted him to tell his brother, 561 00:36:08,125 --> 00:36:10,585 the president, to personally escort to school, 562 00:36:10,753 --> 00:36:14,303 on that day or the day after, a small black girl, 563 00:36:14,674 --> 00:36:17,434 already scheduled to enter Deep South School. 564 00:36:17,927 --> 00:36:19,637 "That way," we said, 565 00:36:20,263 --> 00:36:24,063 "it will be clear that whoever spits on that child 566 00:36:24,517 --> 00:36:25,767 will be spitting on the nation." 567 00:36:27,645 --> 00:36:29,305 He didn't understand this either. 568 00:36:29,981 --> 00:36:34,401 "It would be," he said, "a meaningless moral gesture." 569 00:36:36,237 --> 00:36:40,907 "We would like," said Lorraine, "from you, a moral commitment". 570 00:36:42,118 --> 00:36:43,448 He looked insulted, 571 00:36:44,036 --> 00:36:47,156 seemed to feel that he'd been wasting his time. 572 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:52,920 Well, Lorraine sat still, watching all the while. 573 00:36:56,799 --> 00:36:58,259 She looked at Bobby Kennedy, 574 00:36:58,467 --> 00:37:01,347 who, perhaps for the first time, looked at her. 575 00:37:03,472 --> 00:37:05,312 "But I am very worried," she said, 576 00:37:05,892 --> 00:37:08,482 "about the state of the civilization 577 00:37:08,644 --> 00:37:11,404 which produced that photograph of the white cop 578 00:37:11,564 --> 00:37:14,904 standing on that Negro woman's neck in Birmingham." 579 00:37:18,070 --> 00:37:19,320 Then she smiled. 580 00:37:20,323 --> 00:37:24,163 And I am glad that she was not smiling at me. 581 00:37:26,370 --> 00:37:28,790 "Goodbye Mr. Attorney General," she said, 582 00:37:29,624 --> 00:37:32,344 and turned and walked out of the room. 583 00:37:35,671 --> 00:37:38,631 And then, we heard the thunder. 584 00:37:49,852 --> 00:37:52,812 Baldwin: 585 00:37:53,522 --> 00:37:56,532 ...He stopped at his house on the way to the airport 586 00:37:56,692 --> 00:38:00,822 so I could autograph my books for him, his wife and children. 587 00:38:02,073 --> 00:38:05,203 I remember Myrlie Evers standing outside, smiling, 588 00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:06,579 and we waved, 589 00:38:07,161 --> 00:38:10,291 and Medgar drove to the airport and put me on the plane. 590 00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:15,964 Months later, I was in Puerto Rico, 591 00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:17,587 working on my play. 592 00:38:18,923 --> 00:38:21,633 Lucien and I had spent a day or so 593 00:38:21,801 --> 00:38:23,471 wandering around the island, 594 00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:26,220 and now we were driving home. 595 00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:28,390 (CAR RADIO PLAYING) 596 00:38:32,812 --> 00:38:35,312 It was a wonderful, bright, sunny day, 597 00:38:35,815 --> 00:38:39,435 the top to the car was down, we were laughing and talking, 598 00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:41,150 and the radio was playing. 599 00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:45,910 - Then the music stopped... - (MUSIC STOPS) 600 00:38:47,743 --> 00:38:50,003 ...and a voice announced that Medgar Evers 601 00:38:50,496 --> 00:38:53,456 had been shot to death in the carport of his home, 602 00:38:53,874 --> 00:38:57,634 and his wife and children had seen the big man fall. 603 00:38:57,795 --> 00:39:01,585 ♪ Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught ♪ 604 00:39:03,509 --> 00:39:07,299 ♪ They lowered him down as a king ♪ 605 00:39:10,224 --> 00:39:13,314 ♪ But when the shadowy sun ♪ 606 00:39:13,477 --> 00:39:15,347 ♪ Sets on the one ♪ 607 00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:17,731 ♪ That fired the gun ♪ 608 00:39:18,232 --> 00:39:21,192 ♪ He'll see by his grave ♪ 609 00:39:21,986 --> 00:39:24,566 ♪ On the stone that remains ♪ 610 00:39:24,947 --> 00:39:27,407 ♪ Carved next to his name ♪ 611 00:39:28,075 --> 00:39:30,445 ♪ His epitaph plain: ♪ 612 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:36,540 ♪ Only a pawn in their game ♪ 613 00:39:38,836 --> 00:39:41,626 Baldwin: The blue sky seemed to descend like a blanket. 614 00:39:42,048 --> 00:39:45,218 And I couldn't say anything, I couldn't cry. 615 00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:48,430 I just remembered his face, 616 00:39:48,888 --> 00:39:52,058 a bright, blunt, handsome face, 617 00:39:52,641 --> 00:39:56,481 and his weariness, which he wore like his skin, 618 00:39:56,937 --> 00:40:00,687 and the way he said "ro-aad" for road. 619 00:40:03,778 --> 00:40:06,108 And his telling me how the tatters of clothes 620 00:40:06,322 --> 00:40:10,952 from a lynched body hung, flapping in the tree for days, 621 00:40:11,994 --> 00:40:15,754 and how he had to pass that tree every day. 622 00:40:19,168 --> 00:40:20,288 Medgar. 623 00:40:21,378 --> 00:40:22,668 Gone. 624 00:40:23,339 --> 00:40:25,169 ♪ Baby, please don't go ♪ 625 00:40:26,175 --> 00:40:28,045 ♪ Baby, please don't go ♪ 626 00:40:28,928 --> 00:40:31,928 ♪ Baby, please don't go Back to New Orleans ♪ 627 00:40:32,139 --> 00:40:35,099 ♪ You know I love you so Baby, please don't go ♪ 628 00:40:36,477 --> 00:40:38,687 (SONG CONTINUES) 629 00:40:47,988 --> 00:40:51,238 Baldwin: In America, I was free only in battle, 630 00:40:51,826 --> 00:40:53,326 never free to rest, 631 00:40:54,411 --> 00:40:56,791 and he who finds no way to rest 632 00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,079 cannot long survive the battle. 633 00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:01,460 (AFRICAN SINGING AND DRUMMING) 634 00:41:12,012 --> 00:41:14,142 And the young, white revolutionary remains, 635 00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:18,136 in general, far more romantic than a black one. 636 00:41:21,605 --> 00:41:24,525 White people have managed to get through entire lifetimes 637 00:41:24,692 --> 00:41:26,192 in this euphoric state, 638 00:41:27,069 --> 00:41:29,279 but black people have not been so lucky. 639 00:41:30,406 --> 00:41:33,116 A black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, 640 00:41:33,284 --> 00:41:34,744 for example, sees it... 641 00:41:35,369 --> 00:41:37,289 would not be an eccentric patriot, 642 00:41:37,788 --> 00:41:39,578 but a raving maniac. 643 00:41:42,501 --> 00:41:46,011 The truth is that this country does not know what to do 644 00:41:46,172 --> 00:41:47,672 with its black population, 645 00:41:48,424 --> 00:41:52,094 dreaming of anything like "The Final Solution". 646 00:41:58,809 --> 00:42:00,309 Baldwin: The Negro has never been 647 00:42:01,061 --> 00:42:03,811 as docile as white Americans wanted to believe. 648 00:42:05,149 --> 00:42:06,279 That was a myth. 649 00:42:06,859 --> 00:42:09,069 We were not singing and dancing down the levee. 650 00:42:10,196 --> 00:42:11,276 We were trying to keep alive, 651 00:42:11,447 --> 00:42:13,487 we were trying to survive a very brutal system. 652 00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:16,450 The nigger has never been happy in his place. 653 00:42:22,291 --> 00:42:23,831 Baldwin: One of the most terrible things, 654 00:42:24,001 --> 00:42:25,711 is that, whether I like it or not, 655 00:42:25,878 --> 00:42:27,298 I am an American. 656 00:42:27,463 --> 00:42:31,183 My school really was the streets of New York City. 657 00:42:31,342 --> 00:42:33,642 My frame of reference was... 658 00:42:34,053 --> 00:42:36,393 George Washington and John Wayne. 659 00:42:36,555 --> 00:42:39,225 But I was a child, you know, and when a child puts his eyes 660 00:42:39,391 --> 00:42:41,021 on the world, he has to use what he sees. 661 00:42:41,185 --> 00:42:42,435 There's nothing else to use. 662 00:42:42,603 --> 00:42:44,613 And you are formed by what you see, 663 00:42:44,772 --> 00:42:46,902 the choices you have to make, and the way you discover 664 00:42:47,066 --> 00:42:48,646 what it means to be black in New York 665 00:42:48,817 --> 00:42:50,947 and then throughout the entire country. 666 00:42:53,656 --> 00:42:54,566 (GUN CLICKS) 667 00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:56,990 I know how you watch, as you grow older, 668 00:42:57,243 --> 00:42:58,913 and it's not a figure of speech, 669 00:42:59,078 --> 00:43:00,828 the corpses of your brothers and your sisters 670 00:43:01,038 --> 00:43:02,328 pile up around you. 671 00:43:02,873 --> 00:43:05,083 And not for anything they have done. 672 00:43:06,126 --> 00:43:08,046 They were too young to have done anything. 673 00:43:09,713 --> 00:43:15,473 But what one does realize is that when you try to stand up 674 00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:19,850 and look the world in the face like you had a right to be here, 675 00:43:21,725 --> 00:43:24,515 you have attacked the entire power structure 676 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:25,980 of the western world. 677 00:43:30,401 --> 00:43:32,151 Forget "The Negro Problem". 678 00:43:33,153 --> 00:43:34,823 Don't write any voting acts. 679 00:43:35,364 --> 00:43:37,324 We had that. It's called The Fifteenth Amendment. 680 00:43:38,075 --> 00:43:40,445 During the Civil Rights Bill of 1964, 681 00:43:41,453 --> 00:43:43,753 what you have to look at is what is happening in this country, 682 00:43:43,914 --> 00:43:45,624 and what is really happening is that brother 683 00:43:45,791 --> 00:43:48,461 has murdered brother, knowing it was his brother. 684 00:43:49,628 --> 00:43:52,838 White men have lynched Negroes, knowing them to be their sons. 685 00:43:54,174 --> 00:43:55,634 White women have had Negroes burned, 686 00:43:55,801 --> 00:43:57,431 knowing them to be their lovers. 687 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,719 It is not a racial problem. 688 00:44:01,598 --> 00:44:03,308 It's a problem of whether or not you're willing 689 00:44:03,475 --> 00:44:06,305 to look at your life and be responsible for it, 690 00:44:06,478 --> 00:44:08,018 and then begin to change it. 691 00:44:09,898 --> 00:44:12,438 That great western house I come from is one house, 692 00:44:12,609 --> 00:44:14,529 and I am one of the children of that house. 693 00:44:15,279 --> 00:44:18,119 Simply, I am the most despised child of that house. 694 00:44:18,782 --> 00:44:21,162 And it is because the American people are unable 695 00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:25,205 to face the fact that I am flesh of their flesh, 696 00:44:26,123 --> 00:44:30,003 bone of their bone, created by them. 697 00:44:30,419 --> 00:44:33,509 My blood, my father's blood, is in that soil. 698 00:44:44,641 --> 00:44:45,981 Good afternoon, Ma'am. 699 00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:47,770 It's raining so hard, 700 00:44:47,936 --> 00:44:50,556 I brought rubbers and coat to fetch my little girl home. 701 00:44:50,731 --> 00:44:52,521 I'm afraid you've made some mistake. 702 00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:53,943 Ain't this the 3B? 703 00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:56,319 - Yes. - Well, this is it. 704 00:44:56,487 --> 00:44:57,857 It can't be it. 705 00:44:58,030 --> 00:45:00,450 I have no little colored children in my class. 706 00:45:01,033 --> 00:45:02,993 Oh, thank you. 707 00:45:07,081 --> 00:45:08,621 There's my little girl. 708 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,170 Peola, you may you home. 709 00:45:22,888 --> 00:45:25,058 Boy: Gee, I didn't know she was colored. 710 00:45:25,224 --> 00:45:26,524 Girl: Neither did I. 711 00:45:27,101 --> 00:45:29,691 Peola: I hate you, I hate you, I hate you! 712 00:45:29,895 --> 00:45:31,605 Woman: Peola! Peola! 713 00:45:43,158 --> 00:45:46,658 Baldwin: I know very well that my ancestors 714 00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:49,290 had no desire to come to this place. 715 00:45:51,792 --> 00:45:55,672 But neither did the ancestors of the people who became white, 716 00:45:56,338 --> 00:45:59,508 and who require of my captivity a song. 717 00:46:02,177 --> 00:46:04,097 They require a song of me, 718 00:46:05,305 --> 00:46:09,635 less to celebrate my captivity than to justify their own. 719 00:46:10,185 --> 00:46:11,765 (SOFT PIANO MUSIC) 720 00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:29,200 Baldwin: I have always been struck, in America, 721 00:46:29,371 --> 00:46:31,921 by an emotional poverty so bottomless, 722 00:46:32,082 --> 00:46:36,342 and a terror of human life, of human touch, 723 00:46:37,129 --> 00:46:41,049 so deep that virtually no American appears able to achieve 724 00:46:41,216 --> 00:46:43,256 any viable, organic connection 725 00:46:43,886 --> 00:46:47,426 between his public stance and his private life. 726 00:46:52,811 --> 00:46:56,901 This failure of the private life has always had the most 727 00:46:57,065 --> 00:47:00,895 devastating effect on American public conduct, 728 00:47:01,528 --> 00:47:03,488 and on black-white relations. 729 00:47:05,908 --> 00:47:08,948 If Americans were not so terrified 730 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:10,579 of their private selves, 731 00:47:11,371 --> 00:47:13,461 they would never have become so dependent 732 00:47:13,624 --> 00:47:16,134 on what they call "The Negro Problem". 733 00:47:16,502 --> 00:47:18,962 They said it wasn't nice to say "nigger". 734 00:47:22,257 --> 00:47:23,177 Nigger! 735 00:47:23,342 --> 00:47:25,182 Nigger! Nigger! 736 00:47:25,886 --> 00:47:29,426 Poor little nigger kids, love the little nigger kids. 737 00:47:29,598 --> 00:47:30,928 Who loved me? 738 00:47:31,308 --> 00:47:32,638 Who loved me? 739 00:47:33,185 --> 00:47:36,095 Baldwin: This problem, which they invented 740 00:47:36,313 --> 00:47:38,613 in order to safeguard their purity, 741 00:47:39,399 --> 00:47:43,359 has made of them criminals and monsters, 742 00:47:43,946 --> 00:47:45,566 and it is destroying them. 743 00:47:45,822 --> 00:47:47,412 (BAND PLAYING) 744 00:47:48,033 --> 00:47:53,413 And this, not from anything Blacks may or may not be doing, 745 00:47:54,122 --> 00:47:55,582 but because of the role 746 00:47:55,749 --> 00:47:58,789 of a guilty and constricted white imagination 747 00:47:59,169 --> 00:48:00,879 has assigned to the Blacks. 748 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,349 Look man, don't give me that look. 749 00:48:15,435 --> 00:48:17,265 You should have got what was coming to you 750 00:48:17,604 --> 00:48:19,614 after spitting in that guy's face. 751 00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,030 Why you... 752 00:48:24,653 --> 00:48:27,823 Baldwin: It is impossible to accept the premise of the story, 753 00:48:28,448 --> 00:48:32,198 a premise based on the profound American misunderstanding 754 00:48:32,369 --> 00:48:35,409 of the nature of the hatred between black and white. 755 00:48:35,956 --> 00:48:37,706 - Man: That time is now. - (GRUNTS) 756 00:48:39,918 --> 00:48:42,458 The root of the black man's hatred is rage, 757 00:48:43,338 --> 00:48:45,378 and he does not so much hate white men 758 00:48:45,549 --> 00:48:48,049 as simply wants them out of his way, 759 00:48:49,011 --> 00:48:50,431 and more than that, 760 00:48:51,013 --> 00:48:52,473 out of his children's way. 761 00:48:52,681 --> 00:48:54,311 (BOTH PANTING) 762 00:48:55,267 --> 00:48:57,937 The root of the white man's hatred is terror. 763 00:48:58,103 --> 00:48:59,273 - (GRUNTS) - I'm gonna kill you. 764 00:48:59,438 --> 00:49:01,478 A bottomless and nameless terror, 765 00:49:02,065 --> 00:49:04,395 which focuses on this dread figure, 766 00:49:04,651 --> 00:49:07,901 an entity which lives only in his mind. 767 00:49:15,537 --> 00:49:16,657 Run! 768 00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:17,960 Come on! 769 00:49:18,123 --> 00:49:21,083 I can't make it, I can't make it! 770 00:49:27,341 --> 00:49:29,221 Baldwin: When Sidney jumps off the train, 771 00:49:29,468 --> 00:49:31,138 the white liberal people downtown 772 00:49:31,303 --> 00:49:33,063 were much relieved and joyful. 773 00:49:34,014 --> 00:49:36,734 But when black people saw him jump off the train, 774 00:49:37,225 --> 00:49:41,265 they yelled, "Get back on the train, you fool!" 775 00:49:44,691 --> 00:49:46,491 The black man jumps off the train 776 00:49:46,693 --> 00:49:48,653 in order to reassure white people, 777 00:49:49,613 --> 00:49:51,913 to make them know that they are not hated, 778 00:49:52,908 --> 00:49:54,988 that though they have made human errors, 779 00:49:55,911 --> 00:49:58,541 they done nothing for which to be hated. 780 00:50:03,001 --> 00:50:06,381 ♪ I'm Chiquita Banana And I'm here to say ♪ 781 00:50:06,546 --> 00:50:07,836 ♪ I am the top banana... ♪ 782 00:50:08,006 --> 00:50:10,126 Baldwin: In spite of the fabulous myths 783 00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:11,800 proliferating in this country 784 00:50:11,968 --> 00:50:14,428 concerning the sexuality of black people, 785 00:50:15,055 --> 00:50:18,555 black men are still used, in the popular culture, 786 00:50:18,892 --> 00:50:21,942 as though they had no sexual equipment at all. 787 00:50:24,231 --> 00:50:27,781 Sidney Poitier, as a black artist, and a man, 788 00:50:28,276 --> 00:50:30,736 is also up against the infantile, 789 00:50:30,904 --> 00:50:32,994 furtive sexuality of this country. 790 00:50:34,074 --> 00:50:37,294 Both he and Harry Belafonte, for example, 791 00:50:37,452 --> 00:50:40,912 are sex symbols, though no one dares admit that, 792 00:50:41,581 --> 00:50:45,961 still less to use them as any of the Hollywood he-men are used. 793 00:50:50,048 --> 00:50:53,088 Black people have been robbed of everything in this country... 794 00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:54,680 I've got something to say to you, boy. 795 00:50:54,845 --> 00:50:58,005 ...and they don't want to be robbed of their artist. 796 00:50:59,015 --> 00:51:00,845 Black people particularly disliked 797 00:51:01,017 --> 00:51:02,557 Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, 798 00:51:02,728 --> 00:51:05,648 because they felt that Sidney was, in effect, 799 00:51:05,814 --> 00:51:07,444 being used against them. 800 00:51:08,483 --> 00:51:10,363 Guess Who's Coming to Dinner may prove, 801 00:51:10,527 --> 00:51:12,947 in some bizarre way, to be a milestone, 802 00:51:13,488 --> 00:51:17,238 because it is really quite impossible to go any further 803 00:51:17,409 --> 00:51:19,039 in that particular direction. 804 00:51:19,494 --> 00:51:23,874 ♪ If you ever plan to motor West... ♪ 805 00:51:24,958 --> 00:51:28,338 Baldwin: The next time, the kissing will have to start. 806 00:51:35,343 --> 00:51:37,683 Well, you've got your ticket? 807 00:51:38,555 --> 00:51:39,805 Here you are. 808 00:51:42,058 --> 00:51:43,268 Thank you. 809 00:51:44,394 --> 00:51:47,114 Baldwin: I am aware that men do not kiss each other 810 00:51:47,272 --> 00:51:51,742 in American films, nor, for the most part, in America 811 00:51:52,611 --> 00:51:56,281 nor do the black detective and the white Sheriff kiss here. 812 00:51:59,534 --> 00:52:02,004 You take care, you hear? 813 00:52:07,459 --> 00:52:08,589 Yeah. 814 00:52:09,795 --> 00:52:11,875 But the obligatory, fade-out-kiss, 815 00:52:12,339 --> 00:52:15,549 in the classic American film, did not speak of love, 816 00:52:16,176 --> 00:52:18,086 and still less of sex. 817 00:52:19,137 --> 00:52:21,177 It spoke of reconciliation, 818 00:52:22,641 --> 00:52:25,191 of all things now becoming possible. 819 00:52:25,352 --> 00:52:27,232 - (RAIN POURING) - (WINDSCREEN WIPERS THUDDING) 820 00:52:47,958 --> 00:52:50,708 Baldwin: I knew a blond girl in the village 821 00:52:51,169 --> 00:52:54,379 a long time ago, and eventually, 822 00:52:54,548 --> 00:52:56,758 we never walked out of the house together. 823 00:53:00,345 --> 00:53:03,095 She was far safer walking the streets alone 824 00:53:03,598 --> 00:53:05,228 than when walking with me. 825 00:53:06,434 --> 00:53:09,064 A brutal and humiliating fact 826 00:53:09,646 --> 00:53:12,226 which thoroughly destroyed whatever relationship 827 00:53:12,399 --> 00:53:15,439 this girl and I might have been able to achieve. 828 00:53:18,405 --> 00:53:20,655 This happens all the time in America, 829 00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:23,830 but Americans have yet to realize 830 00:53:23,994 --> 00:53:26,204 what a sinister fact this is, 831 00:53:26,371 --> 00:53:27,831 and what it says about them. 832 00:53:31,042 --> 00:53:33,632 When we walked out in the evening, then, 833 00:53:34,838 --> 00:53:37,418 she would leave ahead of me, alone. 834 00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:42,970 I would give about five minutes, and then I would walk out alone, 835 00:53:44,514 --> 00:53:47,894 taking another route, and meet her on the subway platform. 836 00:53:50,145 --> 00:53:52,015 We would not acknowledge each other. 837 00:53:52,689 --> 00:53:54,769 We would get into the subway car, 838 00:53:54,941 --> 00:53:58,821 sitting at opposite ends of it, and walk, separately, 839 00:53:58,987 --> 00:54:01,407 through the streets of the free and the brave, 840 00:54:02,032 --> 00:54:05,742 to wherever we were going... a friend's house, or the movies. 841 00:54:16,796 --> 00:54:18,046 Man: All over the country, 842 00:54:18,214 --> 00:54:21,184 families such this are enjoying new prosperity. 843 00:54:21,593 --> 00:54:24,553 They have new interests, news standards of living, 844 00:54:24,721 --> 00:54:27,721 a buying power they've never enjoyed before. 845 00:54:27,891 --> 00:54:28,981 There are good prospects 846 00:54:29,142 --> 00:54:31,772 for practically all types of goods and services. 847 00:54:32,228 --> 00:54:35,268 All too often though, they are overlooked prospects. 848 00:54:35,649 --> 00:54:38,609 Since 1940, in San Francisco alone, 849 00:54:38,777 --> 00:54:42,357 the Negro market has increased by 89%. 850 00:54:43,406 --> 00:54:46,616 Here are millions of customers for what you have to sell. 851 00:54:47,285 --> 00:54:52,285 Customers with 15 billion dollars to spend 852 00:54:52,874 --> 00:54:55,214 Baldwin: Someone once said to me 853 00:54:55,377 --> 00:54:59,007 that the people in general cannot bear very much reality. 854 00:54:59,923 --> 00:55:02,933 He meant by this that they prefer fantasy 855 00:55:03,093 --> 00:55:06,433 to a truthful recreation of their experience. 856 00:55:07,847 --> 00:55:10,517 People have quite enough reality to bear, 857 00:55:11,017 --> 00:55:12,977 by simply getting through their lives, 858 00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:14,693 raising their children, 859 00:55:15,063 --> 00:55:17,073 dealing with the eternal conundrums 860 00:55:17,232 --> 00:55:20,282 of birth, taxes, and death. 861 00:55:21,111 --> 00:55:25,161 Negroes are continuously making progress here in this country. 862 00:55:25,323 --> 00:55:27,533 The progress in many areas is not as fast as it should be, 863 00:55:27,701 --> 00:55:28,831 but they are making progress, 864 00:55:28,994 --> 00:55:30,414 and we will continue to make progress. 865 00:55:30,578 --> 00:55:35,208 There's no reason that they, in a near and foreseeable future, 866 00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:38,165 that a Negro could also be president of the United States 867 00:55:39,546 --> 00:55:41,006 I remember, for example, 868 00:55:41,631 --> 00:55:45,091 when the ex-Attorney General, Mr. Robert Kennedy, 869 00:55:46,845 --> 00:55:50,015 said that it was conceivable 870 00:55:50,932 --> 00:55:54,192 that in 40 years in America, we might have a Negro president. 871 00:55:55,979 --> 00:55:59,899 And that sounded like a very emancipated statement, 872 00:56:00,066 --> 00:56:01,526 I suppose, to white people. 873 00:56:02,694 --> 00:56:04,114 They were not in Harlem... 874 00:56:05,447 --> 00:56:07,237 ...when this statement was first heard. 875 00:56:08,783 --> 00:56:11,043 And did not hear, and possibly will never hear, 876 00:56:11,661 --> 00:56:13,331 the laughter and the bitterness and the scorn 877 00:56:13,496 --> 00:56:15,036 with which this statement was greeted. 878 00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:17,460 From the point of view of the man in the Harlem barbershop, 879 00:56:17,625 --> 00:56:19,875 Bobby Kennedy only got here yesterday. 880 00:56:21,963 --> 00:56:24,883 And now he's already on his way to the Presidency. 881 00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:28,720 We've been here for 400 years and now he tells us 882 00:56:28,887 --> 00:56:32,467 that maybe in 40 years, if you're good, 883 00:56:33,391 --> 00:56:35,441 we may let you become president. 884 00:56:37,187 --> 00:56:41,937 ♪ It was a dream, Just a dream I had on my mind ♪ 885 00:56:46,488 --> 00:56:51,988 ♪ It was a dream, Just a dream I had on my mind ♪ 886 00:56:56,122 --> 00:56:58,292 ♪ And when I woke up, baby ♪ 887 00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:01,383 ♪ Not a thing could I find ♪ 888 00:57:01,586 --> 00:57:04,586 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 889 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,930 ♪ I dreamed I was an angel And had a good time ♪ 890 00:57:10,595 --> 00:57:14,515 ♪ I dreamed I was satisfying And nothin' to worry my mind ♪ 891 00:57:14,682 --> 00:57:16,562 ♪ But it was a dream ♪ 892 00:57:17,936 --> 00:57:20,856 ♪ Just a dream I had on my mind ♪ 893 00:57:31,699 --> 00:57:33,279 Baldwin: Let me put it this way, 894 00:57:34,327 --> 00:57:36,657 that from a very literal point of view, 895 00:57:38,081 --> 00:57:40,081 the harbors and the ports 896 00:57:40,333 --> 00:57:43,753 and the railroads of the country, 897 00:57:46,506 --> 00:57:47,666 the economy, 898 00:57:48,508 --> 00:57:52,298 especially in the southern states, 899 00:57:52,554 --> 00:57:56,144 could not conceivably be what it has become 900 00:57:56,683 --> 00:57:58,523 if they had not had, 901 00:57:58,685 --> 00:58:01,265 and do not still have, indeed, and for so long, 902 00:58:01,479 --> 00:58:03,059 so many generations, 903 00:58:03,231 --> 00:58:04,321 cheap labor. 904 00:58:04,524 --> 00:58:05,904 (WESTERN MUSIC PLAYING) 905 00:58:49,152 --> 00:58:51,612 Baldwin: It is a terrible thing 906 00:58:51,779 --> 00:58:53,659 for an entire people 907 00:58:53,823 --> 00:58:58,083 to surrender to the notion that one ninth of its population 908 00:58:58,244 --> 00:58:59,504 is beneath them. 909 00:59:00,163 --> 00:59:02,963 And until that moment, until the moment comes, 910 00:59:03,875 --> 00:59:06,035 when we, the Americans, 911 00:59:06,252 --> 00:59:10,512 we, the American people, are able to accept the fact 912 00:59:10,673 --> 00:59:12,263 that I have to accept, for example, 913 00:59:12,425 --> 00:59:14,585 that my ancestors are both white and black. 914 00:59:15,678 --> 00:59:19,098 That on that continent we are trying to forge a new identity 915 00:59:19,265 --> 00:59:20,845 for which we need each other, 916 00:59:21,768 --> 00:59:24,898 and that I am not a ward of America. 917 00:59:25,271 --> 00:59:27,821 I am not an object of missionary charity, 918 00:59:28,733 --> 00:59:31,613 I am one of the people who built the country. 919 00:59:32,946 --> 00:59:34,316 Until this moment, 920 00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:37,369 there is scarcely any hope for the American Dream, 921 00:59:38,534 --> 00:59:41,584 because people who are denied participation in it, 922 00:59:43,289 --> 00:59:45,079 by their very presence... 923 00:59:46,417 --> 00:59:47,627 ...will wreck it. 924 00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:51,209 And if that happens, it is a very grave moment for the West. 925 00:59:51,381 --> 00:59:53,681 - Thank you. - (APPLAUSE) 926 01:00:11,401 --> 01:00:14,111 (UPBEAT MUSIC) 927 01:00:37,302 --> 01:00:39,012 David Schoenburn: We're here in the studio today 928 01:00:39,178 --> 01:00:41,928 with seven men who have two things in common: 929 01:00:42,932 --> 01:00:45,812 they are entertainers and artists; 930 01:00:45,977 --> 01:00:47,727 and they've all come to Washington. 931 01:00:47,895 --> 01:00:50,055 They are seven out of some two hundred thousand 932 01:00:50,231 --> 01:00:52,901 American citizens who came to the capital 933 01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:55,819 to march for freedom and for jobs. 934 01:00:56,237 --> 01:01:01,027 Will this tremendous outburst now lead to a course of action, 935 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,370 Mr. Belafonte? 936 01:01:02,535 --> 01:01:05,995 The now that is being spoken about is the fact that 937 01:01:06,164 --> 01:01:08,004 in a hundred years, finally, 938 01:01:08,708 --> 01:01:11,458 through whatever the causes have been in history, 939 01:01:11,627 --> 01:01:14,507 and most of them have been because of oppression, 940 01:01:14,714 --> 01:01:18,844 the Negro people have strongly and fully 941 01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:20,550 taken the bit in their teeth, 942 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,100 they're asking absolutely no quarter from anyone. 943 01:01:23,264 --> 01:01:25,644 But I do say that the bulk of the interpretation 944 01:01:25,808 --> 01:01:27,388 of whether this thing is going to end 945 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,270 successfully and joyously, 946 01:01:29,437 --> 01:01:31,057 or is going to end disastrously, 947 01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:34,190 lays very heavily with the white community, 948 01:01:34,359 --> 01:01:36,399 it lays very heavily with the profiteers, 949 01:01:36,569 --> 01:01:39,279 it lays very heavily with the vested interests. 950 01:01:39,447 --> 01:01:42,527 It lays very heavily with a great middle stream 951 01:01:42,825 --> 01:01:44,075 in this country, 952 01:01:44,243 --> 01:01:47,463 of people who have refused to commit themselves, 953 01:01:47,622 --> 01:01:49,622 or even have the slightest knowledge 954 01:01:49,791 --> 01:01:51,881 that these things have been going on. 955 01:01:52,168 --> 01:01:54,128 (OMINOUS MUSIC) 956 01:02:03,471 --> 01:02:06,971 Baldwin: I am speaking as a member of a certain democracy 957 01:02:07,141 --> 01:02:09,811 in a very complex country, 958 01:02:10,353 --> 01:02:13,563 which insists on being very narrow-minded. 959 01:02:15,525 --> 01:02:19,105 Simplicity is taken to be a great American virtue, 960 01:02:19,404 --> 01:02:21,034 along with sincerity. 961 01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:23,450 I am sorry. 962 01:02:23,616 --> 01:02:24,826 I am deeply sorry. 963 01:02:25,368 --> 01:02:26,408 And I am sorry. 964 01:02:26,577 --> 01:02:27,997 I'm deeply sorry about that. 965 01:02:28,162 --> 01:02:29,752 They are no excuses. 966 01:02:29,914 --> 01:02:31,174 I am solely... 967 01:02:31,332 --> 01:02:32,752 We have made plenty of mistakes. 968 01:02:32,917 --> 01:02:34,457 For that, I apologize. 969 01:02:34,877 --> 01:02:36,417 I am very sorry. 970 01:02:36,671 --> 01:02:39,591 I'm sorry I did this to you, but you gotta get used to it. 971 01:02:39,757 --> 01:02:41,547 It's one of those little problems in life. 972 01:02:41,717 --> 01:02:42,717 I take full responsibility. 973 01:02:42,885 --> 01:02:44,675 I'm here today to again apologize. 974 01:02:44,846 --> 01:02:46,846 I'll just apologize for that to her. 975 01:02:47,014 --> 01:02:49,734 For any mistakes I've made, I take full responsibility. 976 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,480 It's an honor to serve the city of Ferguson 977 01:02:52,645 --> 01:02:54,105 and the people who live there. 978 01:02:59,068 --> 01:03:00,648 Baldwin: One of the results of this 979 01:03:01,112 --> 01:03:04,452 is that immaturity is taken to be a virtue too. 980 01:03:05,366 --> 01:03:08,826 So that someone like that, let's say John Wayne, 981 01:03:08,995 --> 01:03:10,905 who spent most of his time on screen 982 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,330 admonishing Indians, 983 01:03:12,915 --> 01:03:15,995 was in no necessity to grow up. 984 01:03:21,174 --> 01:03:25,014 Baldwin: 985 01:03:25,761 --> 01:03:29,271 We were free and we decided to treat ourselves 986 01:03:29,432 --> 01:03:31,522 to a really fancy, friendly dinner. 987 01:03:36,272 --> 01:03:39,282 The head waiter came and said there was a phone call for me, 988 01:03:39,984 --> 01:03:42,204 and my sister Gloria rose to take it. 989 01:03:46,532 --> 01:03:48,992 She was very strange when she came back. 990 01:03:50,286 --> 01:03:51,656 She didn't say anything, 991 01:03:52,538 --> 01:03:55,248 and I began to be afraid to ask her anything. 992 01:03:58,211 --> 01:04:02,381 Then, nibbling at something she obviously wasn't tasting, 993 01:04:02,548 --> 01:04:06,258 she said, "Well, I've got to tell you 994 01:04:06,427 --> 01:04:08,597 because the press is on its way over here. 995 01:04:09,805 --> 01:04:11,845 They have just killed Malcolm." 996 01:04:52,181 --> 01:04:54,641 There is nothing in the evidence 997 01:04:54,892 --> 01:04:58,272 offered by the book of the American republic, 998 01:05:00,815 --> 01:05:04,685 which allows me really to argue with the cat who says to me, 999 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,990 "They needed us to pick the cotton, 1000 01:05:09,824 --> 01:05:11,534 and now they don't need us anymore. 1001 01:05:12,577 --> 01:05:14,867 Now they don't need us, they're gonna kill us all off, 1002 01:05:15,705 --> 01:05:17,365 just like they did the Indians". 1003 01:05:19,083 --> 01:05:21,343 And I can't say it's a Christian nation. 1004 01:05:22,003 --> 01:05:23,463 Though your brothers will never do that to you, 1005 01:05:23,629 --> 01:05:25,379 because the record is too long and too bloody. 1006 01:05:25,548 --> 01:05:26,758 That's all we have done. 1007 01:05:29,051 --> 01:05:35,141 All your buried corpses now begin to speak. 1008 01:05:37,184 --> 01:05:39,604 I say violence is necessary. 1009 01:05:40,438 --> 01:05:42,478 Violence is a part of America's culture. 1010 01:05:42,648 --> 01:05:44,728 It is as American as cherry pie. 1011 01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:46,400 Black power, Brothers. 1012 01:05:46,569 --> 01:05:48,739 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 1013 01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:53,240 (INDISTINCT SHOUTING) 1014 01:06:04,587 --> 01:06:06,667 (INDISTINCT SHOUTING) 1015 01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:12,390 Baldwin: If we were white, 1016 01:06:13,721 --> 01:06:16,521 if we were Irish, if we were Jewish, 1017 01:06:16,682 --> 01:06:20,232 if we were Poles, if we had, in fact, 1018 01:06:20,394 --> 01:06:22,864 in your mind, a frame of reference, 1019 01:06:23,481 --> 01:06:24,771 our heroes would be your heroes too. 1020 01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:26,860 Nat Turner would be a hero for you instead of a threat. 1021 01:06:27,026 --> 01:06:29,316 Malcolm X might still be alive. 1022 01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:33,120 Everyone is very proud of brave little Israel, 1023 01:06:33,491 --> 01:06:36,541 a state against which I have nothing, I don't want to be misinterpreted, 1024 01:06:36,702 --> 01:06:38,122 I'm not an anti-Semite. 1025 01:06:38,371 --> 01:06:40,251 But, you know, when the Israelis pick up guns, 1026 01:06:40,414 --> 01:06:42,464 or the Poles, or the Irish, 1027 01:06:42,625 --> 01:06:45,495 or any white man in the world says, 1028 01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:47,630 "Give me liberty, or give me death", 1029 01:06:48,506 --> 01:06:50,126 the entire white world applauds. 1030 01:06:50,633 --> 01:06:53,473 When a black man says exactly the same thing, 1031 01:06:54,595 --> 01:06:55,965 word for word, 1032 01:06:57,098 --> 01:06:59,978 he is judged a criminal and treated like one 1033 01:07:00,142 --> 01:07:01,852 and everything possible is done 1034 01:07:02,019 --> 01:07:03,599 to make an example of this bad nigger, 1035 01:07:03,771 --> 01:07:05,731 so there won't be any more like him. 1036 01:07:07,316 --> 01:07:09,486 Man: Look out across this land we love, 1037 01:07:10,111 --> 01:07:14,451 look about you whatever you are, this unending scenic beauty, 1038 01:07:14,865 --> 01:07:16,025 and there's freedom, 1039 01:07:16,492 --> 01:07:18,542 it's an inherent American right 1040 01:07:18,703 --> 01:07:21,913 meaning many different things to every single citizen. 1041 01:07:22,540 --> 01:07:25,460 It's a leisurely afternoon of golf along a pleasant course. 1042 01:07:26,419 --> 01:07:29,709 It's an amusement park, a rollercoaster ride. 1043 01:07:31,298 --> 01:07:32,968 A day at the county fair. 1044 01:07:36,095 --> 01:07:37,675 (FIRE CRACKLING) 1045 01:07:37,847 --> 01:07:39,217 A day of excitement, 1046 01:07:39,557 --> 01:07:43,347 unrestricted travel across all our 50 states, 1047 01:07:43,686 --> 01:07:46,266 unlimited enjoyment of all these jewels 1048 01:07:46,439 --> 01:07:48,019 in the continent's crown. 1049 01:07:49,358 --> 01:07:51,818 For all of us, there's all of America, 1050 01:07:51,986 --> 01:07:56,656 in all of its scenic beauty, all of its heritage of history, 1051 01:07:57,283 --> 01:07:59,333 all of its limitless opportunity... 1052 01:08:00,619 --> 01:08:04,829 We've dropped too many bombs on Vietnam now. 1053 01:08:05,082 --> 01:08:06,292 (APPLAUSE) 1054 01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:10,090 Let us save our national honor! 1055 01:08:10,588 --> 01:08:12,258 Stop the bombing, 1056 01:08:12,465 --> 01:08:13,915 and stop the war! 1057 01:08:14,091 --> 01:08:17,141 (JAZZ MUSIC) 1058 01:08:20,598 --> 01:08:23,598 Baldwin: What I am trying to say to this country, 1059 01:08:23,893 --> 01:08:25,023 to us, 1060 01:08:25,478 --> 01:08:27,648 is that we must know this. 1061 01:08:28,773 --> 01:08:30,783 We must realize this, 1062 01:08:32,151 --> 01:08:34,491 that no other country in the world 1063 01:08:34,653 --> 01:08:38,533 have been so fat and so sleek, and so safe, 1064 01:08:38,699 --> 01:08:42,239 and so happy, and so irresponsible, 1065 01:08:43,287 --> 01:08:44,497 and so dead. 1066 01:08:44,872 --> 01:08:48,582 No other country can afford to dream of a Plymouth and a wife 1067 01:08:48,876 --> 01:08:50,706 and a house with a fence, 1068 01:08:51,212 --> 01:08:53,512 and the children growing up safely 1069 01:08:53,672 --> 01:08:56,512 to go to college and to become executives, 1070 01:08:56,675 --> 01:08:57,755 and then to marry, 1071 01:08:58,010 --> 01:09:00,550 and have the Plymouth and the house 1072 01:09:00,721 --> 01:09:02,011 and so forth. 1073 01:09:02,598 --> 01:09:05,678 A great many people do not live this way, 1074 01:09:06,352 --> 01:09:07,942 and cannot imagine it, 1075 01:09:08,187 --> 01:09:11,437 and do not know that when we talk about "democracy", 1076 01:09:11,607 --> 01:09:12,977 this is what we mean. 1077 01:09:16,111 --> 01:09:18,111 (AUDIENCE CHEERING) 1078 01:09:29,416 --> 01:09:31,746 Baldwin: The industry is compelled, 1079 01:09:31,919 --> 01:09:33,339 given the way it is built, 1080 01:09:33,546 --> 01:09:35,376 to present to the American people 1081 01:09:35,548 --> 01:09:38,468 a self-perpetuating fantasy of American life. 1082 01:09:39,635 --> 01:09:42,925 Their concept of entertainment is difficult to distinguish 1083 01:09:43,097 --> 01:09:44,927 from the use of narcotics. 1084 01:09:45,099 --> 01:09:47,889 What worries you about them having black partners? 1085 01:09:48,060 --> 01:09:50,230 Do you think people are gonna look down on them, 1086 01:09:50,437 --> 01:09:52,647 - or judge them? - Yes, I think people look down. 1087 01:09:52,940 --> 01:09:54,730 (CHEERING) 1088 01:10:00,739 --> 01:10:03,489 Baldwin: To watch the TV screen for any length of time 1089 01:10:03,659 --> 01:10:06,409 is to learn some really frightening things 1090 01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:09,120 about the American sense of reality. 1091 01:10:09,999 --> 01:10:13,289 We are cruelly trapped between what we would like to be 1092 01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:15,380 and what we actually are. 1093 01:10:15,546 --> 01:10:19,046 And we cannot possibly become what we would like to be until 1094 01:10:19,216 --> 01:10:23,846 we are willing to ask ourselves just why the lives we lead 1095 01:10:24,013 --> 01:10:26,473 on this continent are mainly so empty, 1096 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,730 so tame, and so ugly. 1097 01:10:30,561 --> 01:10:33,861 These images are designed not to trouble, 1098 01:10:34,315 --> 01:10:35,605 but to reassure. 1099 01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:39,740 They also weaken our ability to deal with the world as it is, 1100 01:10:40,905 --> 01:10:43,235 ourselves as we are. 1101 01:10:46,869 --> 01:10:49,499 I would like to add someone to our group here, 1102 01:10:49,747 --> 01:10:51,247 Professor Paul Weiss, 1103 01:10:51,415 --> 01:10:52,995 the sterling professor of philosophy at Yale. 1104 01:10:53,167 --> 01:10:55,087 - (APPLAUSE) - (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) 1105 01:11:05,888 --> 01:11:07,598 Were you able to listen to the show backstage? 1106 01:11:07,765 --> 01:11:09,015 I heard a good deal of it, 1107 01:11:09,183 --> 01:11:11,103 but then I was behind the whatsitmajig. 1108 01:11:11,268 --> 01:11:13,308 - Yes. - So I heard only some of it. 1109 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,359 Did you hear anything that you disagreed with? 1110 01:11:15,522 --> 01:11:17,442 I disagreed with a great deal of it, 1111 01:11:17,608 --> 01:11:20,398 and of course, there's a good deal I agree with. 1112 01:11:20,694 --> 01:11:25,164 But I think he's overlooking one very important matter, 1113 01:11:25,324 --> 01:11:26,414 I think. 1114 01:11:26,659 --> 01:11:29,619 Each one of us, I think, is terribly alone. 1115 01:11:29,828 --> 01:11:32,408 He lives his own individual life. 1116 01:11:32,581 --> 01:11:35,711 He has all kind of obstacles, the way of religion or color 1117 01:11:35,876 --> 01:11:38,666 or size or shape or lack of ability, 1118 01:11:38,921 --> 01:11:40,881 and the problem is to become a man. 1119 01:11:41,048 --> 01:11:43,428 But what I was discussing was not that problem, really. 1120 01:11:43,592 --> 01:11:45,892 I was discussing the difficulties, the obstacles, 1121 01:11:46,095 --> 01:11:48,465 the very real danger of death 1122 01:11:48,681 --> 01:11:51,271 thrown up by the society when a Negro, when a black man, 1123 01:11:51,433 --> 01:11:52,733 attempts to become a man. 1124 01:11:52,893 --> 01:11:55,693 All this emphasis upon black man and white, 1125 01:11:55,854 --> 01:11:59,324 does emphasize something which is here, 1126 01:11:59,483 --> 01:12:02,193 but it emphasizes, or perhaps exaggerates it, 1127 01:12:02,361 --> 01:12:05,911 and therefore makes us put people together in groups 1128 01:12:06,073 --> 01:12:07,533 which they ought not to be in. 1129 01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:10,120 I have more in common with a black scholar 1130 01:12:10,285 --> 01:12:12,865 than I have with a white man who is against scholarship. 1131 01:12:13,163 --> 01:12:15,623 And you have more in common with a white author 1132 01:12:15,791 --> 01:12:18,001 than you have with someone who is against all literature. 1133 01:12:18,168 --> 01:12:20,628 So why must we always concentrate on color, 1134 01:12:20,796 --> 01:12:22,006 or religion, or this? 1135 01:12:22,172 --> 01:12:24,052 There are other ways of connecting men. 1136 01:12:24,216 --> 01:12:25,376 Baldwin: I'll tell you this. 1137 01:12:25,592 --> 01:12:28,052 When I left this country in 1948, 1138 01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:29,850 I left this country for one reason only, 1139 01:12:30,014 --> 01:12:31,564 one reason... I didn't care where I went. 1140 01:12:31,724 --> 01:12:34,144 I might've gone to Hong Kong, I might have gone to Timbuktu. 1141 01:12:34,309 --> 01:12:36,189 I ended up in Paris, on the streets of Paris, 1142 01:12:36,353 --> 01:12:38,273 with 40 dollars in my pocket and the theory 1143 01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,859 that nothing worse could happen to me there 1144 01:12:41,025 --> 01:12:42,645 than had already happened to me here. 1145 01:12:42,860 --> 01:12:45,070 You talk about making it as a writer by yourself, 1146 01:12:45,237 --> 01:12:47,157 you have to be able then to turn up all the antennae 1147 01:12:47,322 --> 01:12:48,492 by which you live, 1148 01:12:48,657 --> 01:12:50,277 because once you turn your back on this society, 1149 01:12:50,451 --> 01:12:51,791 you may die. 1150 01:12:52,578 --> 01:12:53,948 - You may die. - (APPLAUSE) 1151 01:12:54,121 --> 01:12:55,911 And it's very hard to sit at a typewriter, 1152 01:12:56,081 --> 01:12:57,211 and concentrate on that, 1153 01:12:57,374 --> 01:12:59,294 if you are afraid of the world around you. 1154 01:12:59,585 --> 01:13:01,955 The years I lived in Paris did one thing for me: 1155 01:13:02,504 --> 01:13:04,924 they released me from that particular social terror, 1156 01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:07,510 which was not the paranoia of my own mind, 1157 01:13:07,676 --> 01:13:10,506 but a real social danger visible in the face of every cop, 1158 01:13:10,679 --> 01:13:13,809 every boss, everybody. 1159 01:13:13,974 --> 01:13:15,934 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 1160 01:13:18,187 --> 01:13:20,977 I don't know what most white people in this country feel. 1161 01:13:21,148 --> 01:13:22,818 But I can only include what they feel 1162 01:13:22,983 --> 01:13:24,573 from that state of their institutions. 1163 01:13:24,818 --> 01:13:27,108 I don't know if white Christians hate Negroes or not, 1164 01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:29,359 but I know we have a Christian church which is white 1165 01:13:29,531 --> 01:13:31,201 and a Christian church which is black. 1166 01:13:31,366 --> 01:13:32,826 I know, as Malcolm X once put it, 1167 01:13:32,993 --> 01:13:34,833 the most segregated hour in American life 1168 01:13:34,995 --> 01:13:36,325 is high noon on Sunday. 1169 01:13:36,497 --> 01:13:38,497 That says a great deal for me about a Christian nation. 1170 01:13:38,665 --> 01:13:41,205 It means I can't afford to trust most white Christians 1171 01:13:41,376 --> 01:13:43,496 and I certainly cannot trust the Christian church. 1172 01:13:43,670 --> 01:13:46,170 I don't know whether the labor unions and their bosses 1173 01:13:46,340 --> 01:13:48,340 really hate me. That doesn't matter, 1174 01:13:48,509 --> 01:13:49,969 but I know I'm not in their unions. 1175 01:13:50,135 --> 01:13:51,385 I don't know if the Real Estate Lobby 1176 01:13:51,553 --> 01:13:52,933 has anything against black people, 1177 01:13:53,097 --> 01:13:55,847 but I know the Real Estate Lobby is keeping me in the ghetto. 1178 01:13:56,016 --> 01:13:58,846 I don't know if the board of education hates black people, 1179 01:13:59,019 --> 01:14:01,359 but I know the textbooks they give my children to read, 1180 01:14:01,522 --> 01:14:03,232 and the schools that we have to go to. 1181 01:14:03,398 --> 01:14:04,938 Now, this is the evidence. 1182 01:14:05,150 --> 01:14:06,900 You want me to make an act of faith, 1183 01:14:07,236 --> 01:14:09,656 risking myself, my wife, my woman, 1184 01:14:09,822 --> 01:14:11,162 my sister, my children, 1185 01:14:11,323 --> 01:14:14,283 on some idealism which you assure me 1186 01:14:14,451 --> 01:14:16,501 exists in America, which I have never seen. 1187 01:14:16,662 --> 01:14:18,082 - (APPLAUSE) - Weiss: Hold on a second. 1188 01:14:23,585 --> 01:14:25,665 Baldwin: All of the Western nations 1189 01:14:26,088 --> 01:14:27,758 have been caught in a lie, 1190 01:14:28,882 --> 01:14:31,342 the lie of their pretended humanism. 1191 01:14:32,928 --> 01:14:37,178 This means that their history has no moral justification, 1192 01:14:37,975 --> 01:14:40,935 and that the West has no moral authority. 1193 01:14:44,106 --> 01:14:45,226 (INAUDIBLE) 1194 01:14:47,109 --> 01:14:48,689 Baldwin: "Vile as I am," 1195 01:14:49,278 --> 01:14:52,528 states one of the characters in Dostoevsky's The Idiot, 1196 01:14:53,157 --> 01:14:56,947 "I don't believe in the wagons that bring bread to humanity. 1197 01:14:57,828 --> 01:15:00,958 For the wagons that bring bread to humanity, 1198 01:15:01,290 --> 01:15:04,920 may coldly exclude a considerable part of humanity 1199 01:15:05,085 --> 01:15:06,915 from enjoying what is brought." 1200 01:15:07,171 --> 01:15:08,511 (EXCITED CHEERS) 1201 01:15:10,007 --> 01:15:12,797 For a very long time, America prospered. 1202 01:15:13,135 --> 01:15:16,715 This prosperity cost millions of people their lives. 1203 01:15:17,431 --> 01:15:21,811 Now, not even the people who are the most spectacular recipients 1204 01:15:21,977 --> 01:15:24,267 of the benefits of this prosperity 1205 01:15:24,813 --> 01:15:27,363 are able to endure these benefits. 1206 01:15:28,025 --> 01:15:31,195 They can neither understand them nor do without them. 1207 01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:36,829 Above all, they cannot imagine the price paid by their victims, 1208 01:15:36,992 --> 01:15:39,542 or subjects, for this way of life, 1209 01:15:40,078 --> 01:15:42,618 and so they cannot afford to know why 1210 01:15:42,789 --> 01:15:44,249 the victims are revolting. 1211 01:15:44,499 --> 01:15:46,379 (GUNSHOTS) 1212 01:15:46,543 --> 01:15:47,713 (SCREAMS) 1213 01:15:49,004 --> 01:15:50,304 Down! 1214 01:15:50,923 --> 01:15:53,513 - On the ground! - Get on the ground, now! 1215 01:15:56,970 --> 01:15:57,930 Man: Damn, man! 1216 01:15:58,096 --> 01:15:59,506 (SCREAMING) 1217 01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:04,100 Baldwin: This is the formula 1218 01:16:04,436 --> 01:16:07,226 for a nation or a kingdom decline. 1219 01:16:09,316 --> 01:16:12,436 For no kingdom can maintain itself by force alone. 1220 01:16:13,278 --> 01:16:17,778 Force does not work the way its advocates think in fact it does. 1221 01:16:17,950 --> 01:16:20,330 - (YELLING) - (GUNSHOTS) 1222 01:16:20,494 --> 01:16:21,914 It does not, for example, 1223 01:16:22,079 --> 01:16:25,249 reveal to the victim the strength of the adversary. 1224 01:16:25,415 --> 01:16:28,835 (SCREAMS) 1225 01:16:29,544 --> 01:16:31,214 (GUNSHOTS) 1226 01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:34,720 On the contrary, it reveals the weakness, 1227 01:16:35,050 --> 01:16:37,640 even the panic of the adversary. 1228 01:16:40,138 --> 01:16:43,848 And this revelation invests the victim with passion. 1229 01:16:48,689 --> 01:16:51,189 (JAZZ MUSIC) 1230 01:16:55,696 --> 01:16:57,606 Baldwin: There is a day in Palm Springs 1231 01:16:57,781 --> 01:17:01,581 that I will remember forever, a bright day. 1232 01:17:03,495 --> 01:17:06,415 I was based in Hollywood, working on the screen version 1233 01:17:06,581 --> 01:17:08,631 of the autobiography of Malcolm X. 1234 01:17:10,002 --> 01:17:12,172 This was a difficult assignment, 1235 01:17:13,171 --> 01:17:15,421 since I had known Malcolm, after all, 1236 01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:18,010 crossed swords with him, 1237 01:17:19,011 --> 01:17:20,181 worked with him, 1238 01:17:20,887 --> 01:17:23,057 and held him in that great esteem 1239 01:17:23,223 --> 01:17:25,603 which is not easily distinguishable, 1240 01:17:25,767 --> 01:17:27,267 if it is distinguishable, 1241 01:17:27,894 --> 01:17:28,984 from love. 1242 01:17:31,732 --> 01:17:33,572 Billy Dee Williams had come to town 1243 01:17:33,734 --> 01:17:35,324 and he was staying at the house. 1244 01:17:36,028 --> 01:17:38,658 I very much wanted Billy Dee for the role of Malcolm. 1245 01:17:41,992 --> 01:17:43,702 The phone had been brought out to the pool, 1246 01:17:43,869 --> 01:17:45,159 and now it rang. 1247 01:17:46,288 --> 01:17:47,538 And I picked up. 1248 01:17:48,999 --> 01:17:50,629 The record player was still playing. 1249 01:17:54,838 --> 01:17:58,878 "He's not dead yet, but it's a head wound." 1250 01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:05,100 I have some very sad news for all of you, 1251 01:18:05,682 --> 01:18:09,602 and I think sad news for all our fellow citizens 1252 01:18:10,729 --> 01:18:13,769 and people who love peace all over the world. 1253 01:18:14,649 --> 01:18:17,239 And that is that Martin Luther King 1254 01:18:17,611 --> 01:18:18,901 was shot and was killed tonight. 1255 01:18:19,071 --> 01:18:21,071 (CROWD SCREAM) 1256 01:18:27,204 --> 01:18:29,794 Baldwin: I hardly remember the rest of the evening at all. 1257 01:18:31,875 --> 01:18:33,535 I remember weeping, briefly, 1258 01:18:34,044 --> 01:18:37,214 more in helpless rage than in sorrow, 1259 01:18:38,131 --> 01:18:40,181 and Billy trying to comfort me. 1260 01:18:41,843 --> 01:18:44,353 But I really don't remember that evening at all. 1261 01:18:45,764 --> 01:18:50,274 ♪ Mother dear, May I go downtown ♪ 1262 01:18:50,435 --> 01:18:54,305 ♪ Instead of out to play, ♪ 1263 01:18:54,940 --> 01:18:59,860 ♪ And march the streets of Birmingham ♪ 1264 01:19:00,028 --> 01:19:03,738 ♪ In a Freedom March today? ♪ 1265 01:19:05,492 --> 01:19:09,702 ♪ But Mother, I won't be alone ♪ 1266 01:19:10,163 --> 01:19:14,673 ♪ Other children will go with me, ♪ 1267 01:19:15,210 --> 01:19:20,090 ♪ And march the streets of Birmingham ♪ 1268 01:19:20,507 --> 01:19:23,927 ♪ To make my country free ♪ 1269 01:19:26,847 --> 01:19:28,517 Baldwin: The church was packed. 1270 01:19:29,182 --> 01:19:32,022 In the pew before me sat Marlon Brando, 1271 01:19:32,519 --> 01:19:34,439 Sammy Davis, Eartha Kitt. 1272 01:19:35,188 --> 01:19:36,688 Sidney Poitier nearby. 1273 01:19:38,108 --> 01:19:41,278 I saw Harry Belafonte sitting next to Coretta King. 1274 01:19:43,321 --> 01:19:44,821 I have a childhood hand over thing 1275 01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:46,620 about not weeping in public. 1276 01:19:47,033 --> 01:19:51,663 And I was concentrating on holding myself together. 1277 01:19:52,956 --> 01:19:55,126 I did not want to weep for Martin. 1278 01:19:56,293 --> 01:19:57,843 Tears seemed futile. 1279 01:19:58,962 --> 01:20:01,972 But I may also have been afraid, 1280 01:20:02,549 --> 01:20:04,969 and I could not have been the only one, 1281 01:20:05,469 --> 01:20:10,469 that if I began to weep, I would not be able to stop. 1282 01:20:12,642 --> 01:20:14,942 I started to cry, and I stumbled. 1283 01:20:16,271 --> 01:20:17,691 Sammy grabbed my arm. 1284 01:20:21,610 --> 01:20:24,280 The story of the Negro in America 1285 01:20:24,571 --> 01:20:26,741 is the story of America. 1286 01:20:27,824 --> 01:20:29,834 It is not a pretty story. 1287 01:20:33,038 --> 01:20:34,288 What can we do? 1288 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,840 Well, I am tired. 1289 01:20:39,503 --> 01:20:41,303 I don't know how it will come about, 1290 01:20:42,631 --> 01:20:44,801 I know that no matter how it comes about, 1291 01:20:44,966 --> 01:20:47,216 it will be bloody, it will be hard. 1292 01:20:48,887 --> 01:20:51,517 I still believe that we can do with this country 1293 01:20:51,681 --> 01:20:54,101 something that has not been done before. 1294 01:20:55,143 --> 01:20:58,233 We are misled here because we think of numbers. 1295 01:20:59,814 --> 01:21:02,824 You don't need numbers, you need passion. 1296 01:21:03,818 --> 01:21:06,028 And this is proven by the history of the world. 1297 01:21:07,948 --> 01:21:10,028 The tragedy is that most of the people 1298 01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,950 who say they care about it do not care. 1299 01:21:13,245 --> 01:21:16,615 What they care about is their safety and their profits. 1300 01:21:17,415 --> 01:21:19,785 ♪ When I was laying in jail ♪ 1301 01:21:20,001 --> 01:21:24,511 ♪ With my back turned to the wall ♪ 1302 01:21:30,554 --> 01:21:32,394 ♪ When I was laying in jail ♪ 1303 01:21:32,556 --> 01:21:36,886 ♪ With my back turned to the wall ♪ 1304 01:21:42,023 --> 01:21:44,443 ♪ I just laid down and dreamed I could... ♪ 1305 01:21:46,444 --> 01:21:47,954 Baldwin: The American way of life 1306 01:21:48,113 --> 01:21:50,323 has failed to make people happier, 1307 01:21:50,532 --> 01:21:51,992 or make them better. 1308 01:21:52,701 --> 01:21:56,291 We do not want to admit this, and we do not admit it. 1309 01:21:57,289 --> 01:21:58,669 We persist in believing 1310 01:21:58,832 --> 01:22:01,212 that the empty and criminal among our children 1311 01:22:01,376 --> 01:22:05,206 are the result of some miscalculation in the formula 1312 01:22:05,380 --> 01:22:06,760 that can be corrected. 1313 01:22:07,299 --> 01:22:09,969 That the bottomless and aimless hostility 1314 01:22:10,135 --> 01:22:13,175 which makes our cities among the most dangerous in the world 1315 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,390 is created and felt by a handful of aberrants, 1316 01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:21,350 that the lack, yawning everywhere in this country, 1317 01:22:21,521 --> 01:22:24,981 of passionate conviction, of personal authority, 1318 01:22:25,150 --> 01:22:29,070 proves only our rather appealing tendency to be gregarious 1319 01:22:29,237 --> 01:22:30,357 and democratic. 1320 01:22:32,115 --> 01:22:34,575 To look around the United States today, 1321 01:22:35,243 --> 01:22:37,953 is enough to make prophets and angels weep. 1322 01:22:39,414 --> 01:22:41,374 This is not the land of the free. 1323 01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:45,050 It is only very unwillingly and sporadically... 1324 01:22:45,211 --> 01:22:46,091 (GUN CLICKS) 1325 01:22:46,254 --> 01:22:47,764 ...the home of the brave. 1326 01:22:47,922 --> 01:22:49,512 (GUNSHOT) 1327 01:22:49,841 --> 01:22:51,181 (SCREAMING) 1328 01:22:53,136 --> 01:22:55,216 - (GUNSHOT) - (SCREAMING) 1329 01:22:57,515 --> 01:22:58,635 (SOBBING) 1330 01:22:59,017 --> 01:23:00,437 (GUNSHOT) 1331 01:23:00,602 --> 01:23:01,852 (CAMERA CLICKS) 1332 01:23:03,605 --> 01:23:06,895 Baldwin: I sometimes feel it to be an absolute miracle 1333 01:23:07,609 --> 01:23:11,239 that the entire black population of the United States of America 1334 01:23:11,404 --> 01:23:14,914 has not long ago succumbed to raging paranoia. 1335 01:23:16,076 --> 01:23:17,736 People finally say to you, 1336 01:23:17,911 --> 01:23:20,501 in an attempt to dismiss the social reality, 1337 01:23:21,748 --> 01:23:23,378 "But you're so bitter!" 1338 01:23:29,506 --> 01:23:33,336 Well, I may or may not be bitter, 1339 01:23:33,968 --> 01:23:38,518 but if I were, I would have good reasons for it. 1340 01:23:39,099 --> 01:23:43,269 Chief among them that American blindness, or cowardice, 1341 01:23:43,436 --> 01:23:47,146 which allow us to pretend that life presents no reasons 1342 01:23:47,315 --> 01:23:48,395 for being bitter. 1343 01:24:13,383 --> 01:24:16,683 In this country, for a dangerously long time, 1344 01:24:17,554 --> 01:24:19,764 there have been two levels of experience. 1345 01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:22,560 One, to put it cruelly, 1346 01:24:22,726 --> 01:24:26,806 can be summed up in the images of Gary Cooper and Doris Day, 1347 01:24:26,980 --> 01:24:29,570 two of the most grotesque appeals to innocence 1348 01:24:29,733 --> 01:24:31,403 the world has ever seen. 1349 01:24:32,152 --> 01:24:36,202 And the other, subterranean, indispensable, 1350 01:24:36,781 --> 01:24:39,701 and denied, can be summed up, let us say, 1351 01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,370 in the tone and in the face of Ray Charles. 1352 01:24:43,663 --> 01:24:46,003 ♪ Hey mama, Don't you treat me wrong ♪ 1353 01:24:46,166 --> 01:24:48,626 ♪ Come and love your daddy All night long ♪ 1354 01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:55,590 ♪ I know it's all right now Hey, hey ♪ 1355 01:24:58,845 --> 01:25:00,755 ♪ When you see me in misery ♪ 1356 01:25:01,598 --> 01:25:03,348 ♪ Come on baby, see about me ♪ 1357 01:25:03,516 --> 01:25:06,346 Baldwin: There has never been any genuine confrontation 1358 01:25:06,519 --> 01:25:08,729 between these two levels of experience. 1359 01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:15,570 ♪ Should I be bad ♪ 1360 01:25:16,738 --> 01:25:18,618 ♪ Or nice? ♪ 1361 01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:24,289 ♪ Should I surrender? ♪ 1362 01:25:25,872 --> 01:25:30,502 ♪ His pleading words so tenderly ♪ 1363 01:25:32,128 --> 01:25:36,168 ♪ Entreat me ♪ 1364 01:25:37,550 --> 01:25:42,180 ♪ Is this the night that love ♪ 1365 01:25:42,847 --> 01:25:47,637 ♪ Finally defeats me? ♪ 1366 01:25:47,852 --> 01:25:52,652 Baldwin: You cannot lynch me and keep me in ghettos 1367 01:25:53,566 --> 01:25:56,566 without becoming something monstrous yourselves. 1368 01:25:58,154 --> 01:26:02,124 And furthermore, you give me a terrifying advantage. 1369 01:26:03,243 --> 01:26:04,833 You never had to look at me. 1370 01:26:06,454 --> 01:26:07,834 I had to look at you. 1371 01:26:09,332 --> 01:26:13,462 I know more about you than you know about me. 1372 01:26:15,046 --> 01:26:17,966 Not everything that is faced can be changed, 1373 01:26:19,551 --> 01:26:23,471 but nothing can be changed until it is faced. 1374 01:26:32,272 --> 01:26:33,902 History is not the past. 1375 01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:36,479 It is the present. 1376 01:26:37,694 --> 01:26:39,654 We carry our history with us. 1377 01:26:40,738 --> 01:26:43,158 We are our history. 1378 01:26:44,868 --> 01:26:48,998 If we pretend otherwise, we literally are criminals. 1379 01:26:53,334 --> 01:26:54,844 I attest to this. 1380 01:26:56,129 --> 01:26:58,259 The world is not white. 1381 01:26:59,757 --> 01:27:01,627 It never was white, 1382 01:27:02,844 --> 01:27:04,644 cannot be white. 1383 01:27:05,889 --> 01:27:08,889 White is a metaphor for power, 1384 01:27:10,894 --> 01:27:15,234 and that is simply a way of describing Chase Manhattan Bank. 1385 01:28:05,073 --> 01:28:06,823 I can't be a pessimist, 1386 01:28:08,326 --> 01:28:09,616 because I'm alive. 1387 01:28:10,954 --> 01:28:13,754 To be a pessimist means you have agreed that human life 1388 01:28:13,915 --> 01:28:17,665 is an academic matter, so I'm forced to be an optimist. 1389 01:28:17,835 --> 01:28:19,665 I am forced to believe that we can survive 1390 01:28:19,837 --> 01:28:21,337 whatever we must survive. 1391 01:28:22,548 --> 01:28:23,548 But... 1392 01:28:27,887 --> 01:28:29,347 ...the Negro in this country... 1393 01:28:32,558 --> 01:28:34,348 ...the future of the Negro in this country... 1394 01:28:36,187 --> 01:28:38,017 ...is precisely as bright 1395 01:28:38,189 --> 01:28:40,189 or as dark as the future of the country. 1396 01:28:42,193 --> 01:28:45,413 It is entirely up to the American people 1397 01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:47,449 and not representatives. 1398 01:28:47,615 --> 01:28:49,865 It is entirely up to the American people 1399 01:28:51,035 --> 01:28:55,745 whether or not they are going to face and deal with 1400 01:28:55,915 --> 01:28:58,915 and embrace the stranger they have maligned so long. 1401 01:28:59,502 --> 01:29:02,092 What white people have to do is try to find out, 1402 01:29:02,255 --> 01:29:05,215 in their own hearts, why it was necessary 1403 01:29:05,383 --> 01:29:07,053 to have a "nigger" in the first place, 1404 01:29:07,427 --> 01:29:09,717 because I'm not a nigger, I'm a man. 1405 01:29:10,346 --> 01:29:12,806 But if you think I'm a nigger, it means you need him. 1406 01:29:13,099 --> 01:29:14,519 The question you've got to ask yourself, 1407 01:29:14,684 --> 01:29:17,274 the white population of this country has got to ask itself, 1408 01:29:17,687 --> 01:29:19,727 North and South, because it's one country, 1409 01:29:19,897 --> 01:29:21,067 and for the Negro, 1410 01:29:21,232 --> 01:29:22,982 there is no difference between the North and the South... 1411 01:29:23,151 --> 01:29:26,651 it's just a difference in the way they castrate you, 1412 01:29:27,321 --> 01:29:31,871 but the fact of the castration is the American fact. 1413 01:29:33,036 --> 01:29:36,116 If I'm not the nigger here and you invented him, 1414 01:29:36,289 --> 01:29:37,709 you the white people invented him, 1415 01:29:38,458 --> 01:29:39,998 then you've got to find out why. 1416 01:29:42,253 --> 01:29:43,673 And the future of the country depends on that, 1417 01:29:43,838 --> 01:29:45,838 whether or not it's able to ask that question. 1418 01:29:49,594 --> 01:29:52,814 ♪ ("THE BLACKER THE BERRY" BY KENDRICK LAMAR PLAYS) ♪ 116236

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