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You want it? You want eggs?

No, you can't reach for it.

I got some Lego sets that I've built,

like, this is like really cool.

These are some dinosaurs.

It double clicks.

And my favorite part.

No one knows about it, I only tell my bestest friends.

Virtually all I remember

is sleeping on the couch next to a gray church.

Just going over to this place with a bunch of people

like terrorists or something.

So, like, and there is one particular thing I do remember,

not I didn't, like, on my birthday

when I turned 6 they didn't celebrate,

but the only toy I pretty much had was a little buildable,

Megalosaurus the dinosaur.

Terrorism is essentially mostly a media operation.

The act of violence is to get your view across

because otherwise no one else would listen to it.

Reporter: A second American woman has now surfaced in connection

with a terror investigation

that stretches from Colorado to Ireland.

First Jihad Jane, now the woman dubbed Jihad Jamie.

And so as we watch the mainstream press cover it,

it's almost like you applaud yourself on the back

because you know full well

that the ramifications of that are going to be.

Reporter: You really cannot judge a book by its cover.

You can't tell what your neighbor's doing.

Reporter #2: We've got two women that went online,

which now they're both under arrest.

Reporter #3: An American woman waging jihad.

Have you ever seen anything like this?

Are these women a complete anomaly

or is this a whole new profile?

Hi, baby.

Sometimes my sister could carry it to the far, far corners.

Like join the Muslims and becoming a terrorist.

First American woman to be arrested

for terroristic acts in America was my sister.

Colleen would pretend, like, to make a phone call,

and I took this picture of her to do something funny.

So she can pretend like she's on the phone with a business call

or whatever she was doing was singing.

There's Colleen when I was at her apartment.

There's Colleen enjoying herself, in, um, Amsterdam.

And this is what some girl in prison made, Colleen.

Uh, says, "Jihad Jane to the rescue,"

and made a picture of Colleen's mean face.

I was so into my jihad in my mission that that's all

that meant something to me

and I just wanted to accomplish this.

Being in prison, I reflected over my past

and I realized that I used to be a pretty selfish person.

And I didn't show my appreciation to Kurt

like I should have because, I mean, he did nothing wrong.

That's the one regret I have,

is that he didn't deserve what I did to him.

Ferris is the name of the town

there where the radio station is,

and they were living right in front

of the actual transmitter site for the radio station.

We were putting in new equipment

for the station, so we worked for,

you know, three to four months there.

She liked to talk. She liked to, y'know, hang out.

Basically just seemed like a normal country girl.

And then Colleen eventually came up and moved in with me.

We were very happy and spending time with each other,

so I think we were both happy at that point, yeah.

That time period, she remembers fairly fondly

until his, his father,

Kurt's father and her mother had to move into...

They were in an apartment, they both needed care.

Colleen's a fairly social being,

but she was tied to that apartment

and she started to spend a lot of time on the computer.

As I understand it, Kurt recognized

that there was an issue for them in their relationship,

and so he decided to take her to Europe.

And it was actually while she was in Europe

that she had started to be intrigued in Islam.

I went to Amsterdam.

My boyfriend and I had some words or whatever,

and we were drinking and he went to bed

and I went downstairs to the bar and I was drinking some more.

And then I got on the elevator

and there was a Middle Eastern guy on the elevator.

And me and him, we decided to go get our own room.

And we stayed together for a few, couple, few hours

and then I went upstairs to my boyfriend.

He went upstairs to his girlfriend.

After I come back to America,

decided I was going to find another Middle Eastern man

because I liked him.

I joined different sites for Muslim,

for, well, for Arab lounge,

Arab, something and then mezima.com.

I joined, like, a couple other sites for Muslims.

I started meeting different brothers and sisters online

in different Muslim sites,

and they was teaching me more about Islam,

and I made a lot of brothers and sisters

I made a lot of and brothers and sisters,

and we was always talking online, mostly through YouTube.

I was watching videos on YouTube.

The thing that had an effect on me

was the brutality I seen against the Muslims.

It would, like, make me mad.

I was seeing... I mean, I would get,

I would get upset.

The blood and the bodies and the children.

And I mean, it was just so much shit.

They just kept bombing them.

The day that I was watching the Zionists bombing

the Palestinians and you hear the children

screaming and crying and in the people,

all the women and the brothers.

And at the same time, I was watching this on the Internet,

outside my window in the streets,

little kids were playing and having fun and laughing.

And I was thinking to myself,

"You know, nobody knows what's going on."

I was hurt by what was happening then I got real angry

and I decided that I hate I hated Zionists

and I wanted something done to them.

And I started talking to other brothers and sisters

who thought, like me.

And then I went further and found another brother

who was into jihad.

When I first met Jihad Jane online,

I was about 15 or 16 years old.

When I first came to America, I was in 2007.

High school was very different

from what I was acquainted with in Pakistan.

And I didn't really know how to interact properly with people.

Having Aspergers, you know, I would just kind of

stay to myself and, you know, be in my own world.

I did become a social recluse.

I did actually try to avoid people.

Unfortunately, that led me to just turn to the Internet.

This is in 20th century Europe.

All that's needed is one...

The first videos that I watched

was just innocuous religious videos,

so I would just try to get to know more

about the religious aspect of my life.

But then they became, you know,

videos about wars in different countries,

about bombings and, you know, attacks by extremists.

I would just blame the West for the entire problems

that the Muslim world was facing.

Everything that was wrong with the world as I imagined,

I, you know, I was angry about that, you know, and I wanted to,

I wanted to know more.

So I would be online for as many hours

that someone would work full time.

So about 40 to 50 hours a week, I would just be online.

You know, just watching multiple videos.

I would say probably hundreds of videos.

I met Colleen LaRose through YouTube.

She was a very avid commentator on different YouTube videos.

It was very apparent that she was spending a lot of time,

just as much as me.

When she was at the house there,

she was doing a very good job,

not only taking care of her mother,

but, you know, trying to make sure

that my dad took his medicine.

But she did spend a lot of time on the computer.

I knew she'd like to play a lot of the games

on the computer there.

Felt like I was living a double life

and I wanted to commit to one of them.

And I've committed to jihad.

Thought that he was like me,

that he wanted to do something, make a difference.

I thought that he was a brother

that was into jihad like I was,

and he was somebody who had already tried

to do a couple of things to further the cause of jihad.

And then he was in some sort of an army of sorts or whatever,

who, according to him and that he had fought for the Muslim.

But he did say that there was a house work ready for me

and brothers and sisters were there waiting for me

and all I need to do is just to come there.

I met Black Flag on Islam guiding English forums,

and these are like actual jihadist forums.

He was one of the very active users on there.

The Black-Flag came across as someone who knew basically

what he was doing, you know, he was very authoritative,

he was very influential in the forum itself.

I mean, he had a certain level of eloquence,

you know, in his words.

The remarkable thing to me when I first got involved

in this case was that.

Just, just all open, there was there was no coded language,

there was no attempt to hide.

Colleen LaRose had come to the attention of the FBI

because she was on social media talking about, uh,

certain types of desires and intents relative

to what was happening in the Muslim world

and wanting to do something to rectify

what she perceived as wrongs against Muslims.

And so you definitely would have been paying

quite a bit of attention to not only her,

but to others in her network.

Well, Eli was...

identified as somebody who was in Pakistan.

In her mind, he was the technical expert,

I met the brother Eagle Eye.

He was an al-Qaeda operative.

He had a page on YouTube and I saw some of his videos

and I liked his videos because they were about jihad.

There's also an interesting...

there's a movie called "Eagle Eye,"

an American movie that's about a fictional terrorist

who's known as Eagle Eye.

For what it's worth, that she didn't know about that movie.

I'm not convinced he's a real individual,

as opposed to somebody who was pretending

to be a terrorist or a government agent.

He told me, do I want to know about somebody

who needs to be dealt with?

And I said, well, he said that Lars Vilks needs to be killed

and that what he's done,

that nobody's ever slapped him for what he's done

and he needs to be killed

because you want to know the crime that he did.

And I said, "Yeah."

You've got the invitation to a smaller exhibition

in the middle of Sweden.

They had a project called The Dog in Art,

so they asked me for a contribution to that.

My drawing you want my drawing,

was the head of the prophet on, on a dog.

Some Muslims started to make demonstration.

There was demonstrations in Pakistan, Bangladesh.

I had a phone call and they told me

"We had bad news, we had bad news."

I was informed by the police saying that

"al-Qaeda had put a price on your head."

I didn't know what was actually a fatwa meant.

It's just a very, very, very dangerous.

How does these things work?

Will there be people coming after me?

Who?

Will it take 10 minutes? Will it take one hour?

Take a couple of days or what will happen?

I'm just a sister, and he's had that much confidence in me

and he thought that I was that strong,

that I could go do that, and it made me feel good

that he had that much confidence in me.

There was a lot of talk about killing this cartoonist.

I mean, we would chat about it almost every day.

Me and LaRose would definitely talk a lot about it,

and she was very excited to partake in it.

She was very passionate about and I was very passionate

about it, and we kind of, you know,

just look towards the Black Flag as the person,

you know, who would just kind of bring this whole thing together.

And then he told me that the brothers can't get close to him

because he's got bodyguards all around him

and that I could probably get close to him.

I told him, I said, "Yes, I'll do it."

Oh, that would have accelerated the investigation

because now you have her being directed to travel overseas

in support of terrorism,

to actually plot to kill an individual in a foreign country.

I was talking to my brother online all the time,

and the Black Flag told me that he had everything ready for me

and he told my brother in Pakistan

that everything was ready for me.

So I was all, "You need to get out of America."

There's a lot more families in this country now,

that have got kids that are pulling the same stuff,

and I'm sure they're probably

asking themselves the same question, why.

You know, what are these people

saying to these kids that getting them

turned their back on their country...

and going and fighting for something that is not real?

And, and what, what?

These people came into my home, through the computer,

and invaded my, my domain and stole my daughter from me.

- Okay. - We good, guys?

What did you think of when you were in prison?

What I think about when I was in prison?

Why in the hell did I ever get on that plane?

So.

But I can't change the past.

I mean, in Islam we're not allowed to say,

"Well, if I were to did this, this would'a happened,

you're not allowed to say that.

So, I mean, you just got to accept it.

It's the will of Allah, subhanAllah.

People laughed at me my entire life,

so why am I going to worry about it now?

I was made fun of in school where I've grown up.

Sometimes it'd be lonely.

I wish I had friends, but...

it was, like, it was this is something I was always used to.

I grew up like that.

I've always had a low self-esteem,

but I have a hard time saying no to people.

I always want to please people make people happy.

And why do you think you want to please people so much?

Because no one wanted to be my friend,

I wanted to have friends.

I got married when I was 18.

What age was he?

Uh, 33.

He used to beat me up all the time.

It was physical, he would hit me,

give me black eyes, fat lips.

One morning, I woke up and I found my gun next to my head

and he wasn't in the room.

He beat me up and so I ran out on the house

and ran straight to the police department

and got a restraining order put against him.

And after the divorce, I never heard from him again.

I had a couple boyfriends after that.

Um, nothing serious, but, um, and then I met my son's father.

His name was Alejandro. He was from Mexico.

I got pregnant with my son down in Mexico.

I was so excited I had finally had a baby.

He had had a warrant or something.

George Mott: They sent him back to Mexico.

Yeah, they deported him back to Mexico.

And so Christian doesn't know who his dad is.

Who was your third husband? Jamie Pauline Ramirez: Some guy I worked with,

he ended up getting arrested and eventually got deported.

Well, I wasn't going to get married again,

I was through.

Yes, we got married and divorced,

marry, divorce, marry, divorce,

and I just got tired of it.

Why, what for?

I didn't want to deal with it anymore.

I was happy I had my little job, I was going to college.

I had my own place, had my own little car, had my son.

So I was making it.

It was in 2009, I noticed on her computer screen

that she had this Lawrence of Arabia type,

you know, screensaver on her computer.

I didn't think of anything of it at first,

but then during Easter week of 2009

is when she made the announcement

that she was going to convert to Islam.

I remember being in the bedroom and she just walked in

and just blurted it out.

I reacted poorly.

I just, you know, I was angry.

Jamie Pauline Ramirez: I like the idea of the Brotherhood.

Every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim.

I like that idea.

I will talk to people online about Islam

and ask them questions and everything.

She worked long hours at the doctor's office

and she got home at 7:00 at night

and head straight back to her room,

get on the computer talking to these people

until, you know, 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning.

I will read and comment on like Newcomer's to Islam

and watch videos about newcomers to Islam.

And eventually I ran into my codefendant,

his screen name with the Black Flag.

He sent me an e-mail through YouTube.

Originally, he always talked about

living in a non-Muslim country.

Then he would send me jihad videos,

and then about a week or a week or so around there,

he asked me to marry him.

One day I walked in the kitchen and I heard Arabic playing

and I'm like, it just caught my ear.

And it was like, "And the infidels"

and I was like, the fuck are you doing?

And I looked at her computer and it's got all the bodies,

all the blow ups, you know, and America's doing this,

and this is happening with Israel.

And I said, Jamie, I said, is this something for school?

She goes, "They're hurting our people."

I said, "Jamie, that ain't even your fight."

He sent me an e-mail...

telling me that she needs to contact me.

Colleen and him had been communicating previously and,

and me and Colleen communicated together.

The fact that she was able to make that connection

with Jamie in these online forums,

Colleen, is actually engaging in online recruitment.

You know, obviously Jamie fell into line with that

and actually took her own direct steps.

The decision was not finalized until about three days before.

I wanted to go by, I didn't want to go,

I wanted to finish school too, so but my mom wouldn't let up.

What the hell?

This lady is never going to let me be a Muslim woman.

I might as well just leave.

I got tired of getting yelled at.

Well, I had one of our police officers knocking at my door,

wanting to know where she was at.

She hadn't been at work in a week.

And I said, "What?"

I called her on the phone, I said, "What are you doing?"

And she told me that she was going to go stay

with a friend down in Denver.

I had come home in the afternoon or evening there

and she was gone.

And I didn't know where she was or what had happened there,

but, yeah, I just got home and her mother

was there by herself and she was gone.

The only thing that I know of that was missing,

I mean, was she had taken my passport.

She didn't take any money or anything else that I'm aware of.

It was like she just picked up and left.

So you have the purchase of the the tickets.

You have Colleen stealing the passport.

You have her making contact with the Swedish embassy saying,

I want to become a citizen and she's gone well beyond

just espousing what she would like to do.

So now this case is full on.

He told me that Colleen had ran off.

He said, "And I'm sending your mom back to Texas.

He says, "I can't take care of her.

My dad just died recently."

What the hell is she doing? I had no idea.

It's your worst nightmare because now you have

two American citizens

who they've been having these conversations,

they've been engaging in these planning activities,

and now they've actually taken that next step to travel abroad.

Do you ever think of your sister as a terrorist?

No.

I mean, I'm glad she is so important now.

But I don't see how.

To me she's still my little sister.

You know, same mom, same father, same blood.

Everything.

Except she's short.

I felt pride, I felt more strong,

that I had a mission, I had a goal.

Something that was important, that needed to be done

and I was going to be the one to do it.

Colleen, in your life, is there any other times

where you felt important?

Not like that, no.

Her parents were both alcoholics.

Her father was abusive when drunk,

her mother was drunk frequently.

They were for a while still together.

Then they separated, her father remarried,

and it was then she would bounce back and forth

between her father's household and their mother's household.

Neither was a very good place for her.

Colleen: The first time I ran away, I was like 13,

it was moved from Michigan to Texas.

So I just kept running away.

I can't calculate the amount of times Colleen has run away.

She just had a lot of anger also.

You know, a lot of hurt a lot of confusion, a lot of pain.

I think I was, like, um

about 13, I've met this guy that had a restaurant.

He knew a pimp and the pimp came in there one day and saw me

and me and him just started talking

and I just ended up going home with him

and then he started me doing all kinds of stuff.

That's what I started doing, drugs. I mean, everything.

I wanted to make a lot of money so that my pimp

would be happy with me

and I felt like these men when they came to see me,

I felt like I was desirable.

At that time, I didn't click to me that this is terrible.

At some point after she wandered into prostitution,

yes, her first husband was one of her customers.

Well, he was like 33 and I was like 15

and he liked getting high and I like getting high.

He was crazy.

I don't know who our witnesses was or if we had

witnesses or what, but we ended up getting married.

And I got married to him by using a fake I.D.,

a fake birth certificate.

That he had gotten and I had...

He gave me the birth certificate to carry around in my pocket

so it looked like it's worn out.

We went to Buddy's house,

which was Colleen's husband at the time,

and he said she was gone, she was out prostituting.

And so we couldn't find her nowhere.

I was a truck driver at that time.

He was one of my customers.

Well, he met me at the what they call it,

a "hose stroll" it's where I was,

the street I was working on.

And he told me he was going to leave Texas

and he's going to Tennessee

and he asked me if I wanted to go.

I just wanted to get away.

And that was my perfect way to get out.

So I came b... I went with him.

And while I was with him, I was going,

I was going to truck stops with him.

And he was prostituting me 'cause the truck driver's there.

And I would just go from one truck to another.

And then we got to Tennessee and I was real sick

and I couldn't go out with him.

I was sick, and so I guess I was more sick then, I know,

because there's all kinds of things wrong with me.

So I was not able to go out

to work with the truck driver no more.

And they never came back for me.

'Cause I was sick and I didn't have nowhere to go,

and I went to this restaurant and this one lady

came up to me and she asked me, "Are you okay?"

When I encountered Colleen LaRose,

I was a counselor at the runaway house in Memphis, Tennessee.

She had told me that she had started prostituting

around 14 years of age

and had basically been on the streets since age 13.

And one thing that had contributed to that

was the dysfunction within her family unit.

So I did call Richard LaRose, Colleen's father.

One reason this case stuck out in my mind so much

was when I on the phone told him about the allegations

that she had made towards him of sexual abuse.

He admitted it to me.

Matter of fact, he used the words that,

"Yes, I did rape my daughters."

In my eyes, Richard it was nothing but a lousy, drunk,

lazy, abusive to my mother, abusive to us children,

but he never physically would hit us,

but he would do other sexual stuff to my sister and I.

It started when I was nine,

and I think Colleen was six or seven when it started.

I think she was seven when he started messing with her.

I remember one time when I was seven,

he came to my bed and I guess

he was he was touching me or whatever,

and he asked me if I ever been fucked.

And I told him, "No."

I don't remember what happened after that.

It just, I blocked it out.

I always got real nauseous at my stomach.

Him just doing stuff to me, nasty stuff.

Just about every... about twice a week.

I remember one time when my, my mother and my step dad

was driving me and my sister,

my brother back to my real dad and his wife

and I was in the back seat of the car.

I just started to cry because I knew

what was going to be waiting for me when I got there.

Olive Mannino: So he confirmed to me that her allegations

were true about the incestuous relationship

that he had with his children.

I did hand her the phone and Colleen confronted

her father and she was very angry and she was very tearful

and I just remember that conversation so vividly.

And I remember her screaming into the phone

while I stood there beside her and she was yelling at him,

"Why did you do this to me?

Why did you mess me up like this?

Don't you see what you've done to me?"

And she was so angry and so full of rage towards him.

And I remember her slamming down the phone

and then just embracing me

and crying and crying and sobbing.

And it was just like years of abuse

she was trying to let out.

♪♪

It was just a part of my... I consider everything in my life

is been a big adventure.

And so it was just part of me growing up,

it's what I had to go through.

May I speak to Mark, please?

This is

This is Fatima.

Okay, I'll wait.

Hello, Mark?

Hey, it's me.

I'm free.

I'm coming home.

This is Muslimah.

This is Abdullah, he's pink

because he's in touch with his feminine side.

And this is Frenchie, he's deformed.

So Frenchie is the gay dog.

I tell you, I'd say y'all can't imagine

that a terrorist sleeping with stuffed animals.

Yeah, everybody should. It keeps you calm at night.

And when I was in the shoe, I didn't have them,

I would get a towel and I would bundle it up

and I would hold the towel like I held my cat

and sleep with that.

Guess it's like a security thing.

This is my bucket list for when I get out.

Find my baby Daw Savage, go to Zim's Facebook page,

copy pics for her. Keep in touch with my babies.

It'll be Breezy, Jalin, Max, Tatiana, Meeco,

and of course, most important, my sweet baby Zimmy.

Oh, there is a new disease.

I heard about a lot of girls heard about it.

It's called blue waffle, women get it.

It's like it's a sexually transmitted disease.

That's what they said.

And we all don't know if that's a real thing

or if people are just making it up.

Yeah, we just we never heard of it.

We want to see what it is

and how you get it and how to get rid of it

and what it what does it do to you?

Research in minute detail the situation in Palestine,

how it used to be before the Zionists invaded

and the situation they are in now.

When you were in prison, what did you think about

the event at Waterford and what had happened?

I was proud of myself because I told my brother

that I was willing to do what he asked me to do.

I knew he was proud of me.

♪♪

When I wrote him Waterford he came

to get me at the airport, he told me, he says,

"I feel that you went from YouTube to Ireland."

I go, "I can't believe I'm here."

I got into the back seat because, oh, sister,

don't sit beside brother on the car,

we sit behind and I sat behind,

he didn't talk to me.

But he didn't and he was very quiet.

I could tell that there was something

that was bothering him,

but he wouldn't tell me what it was.

His real name was Ali, and he was from Algeria

and he's lived in France awhile, and he...

sort of, like, came out of nowhere.

Ali Charaf Damache was living in a one-bedroom apartment,

a rather rundown street.

I did ask him about Black Flag.

And he acknowledged that it was him.

He was a loner,

he had excellent English, intelligent, literate,

he had been in the auctioneering business in Cork.

And now, he was unemployed.

Wasn't that big of an apartment it a restroom at a bedroom

and a front room and kitchenette type thing all in one space,

and that's where I was sleeping.

When she first got to Europe, she called me,

she was wearing, because it was during the time

where Muslims don't eat.

- Ramadan, yeah. - Ramadan.

And, she says, "I wonder if it'd be okay with the time changes

and everything she's already been through,

if she could at least have banana, you know,

something to eat. She always loved bananas.

And I thought, I said,

"I would, What are they're going to put you in jail?"

We talked for a little bit and I told her what time it was,

it was 5:00 in the morning in Texas.

And then the phone went out.

The next day, Jamie was there, you know, Jamie was in Ireland.

I had no idea.

And then I went and I talked to Jamie

and Jamie told me she had gotten married.

So I said, "Who'd you get married to?"

And she said, "Brother Ali."

I arrived in.

Arrived there on Sunday morning. We got married Monday.

We couldn't have children without marriage,

so I wanted more kids, so.

Uh, I had to get married in order to have more kids.

And I said, "Oh."

I didn't understand, because I was just in the car

with him the day before, he picked me up at the airport.

He had just gotten married that morning to her.

He never mentioned that to me.

I said, "Oh, okay, well, that's great."

♪♪

When she was over there, you know, intermittently,

she was able to talk with me through the same chat messengers

that we were using.

LaRose described that she was a little bit

disaffected by meeting the Black Flag.

I mean, she had what she imagined was not really true.

There was was kind of an illusion.

The Black Flag was not treating her the right way.

At one point, I remember asking the Black Flag

if everything was fine if, you know, things were in order,

and he said that everything was in order

and he was very busy with stuff

and he was taking care of everyone.

I didn't think that we had time for a private life,

for our own life when we had things to do.

He's moving on with his life and here

I am holding my life back

so I can do what I was supposed to do.

And here he is on getting married.

Like why you're supposed to be doing this? What are you doing?

That was one of the last messages

I sent to my brother in Pakistan.

I was trying to reassure him that I am strong

and I would not let him down.

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And I wanted him to know that I'm not, I'm not afraid.

I would do it.

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She was she was a comic, she was comical, she was funny.

But I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be friends with her.

But I mean, she made me laugh and she was comical the way

she did things, the way she spoke.

I mean, she just kept on running a million miles an hour.

Jamie was not allowed to leave the apartment

and I did not want to stay in the house all the time,

so I would go in the daytime to different stores, whatever,

and when I would come back Jamie would still be there alone.

And I felt bad for her because I'm the type of person

that I'll do what my brothers tell me to do,

but they're going to respect me.

And they're going to take care of me

like they would take care of your sister

and take care of your mother, take care of your aunt.

They're not going to treat me like I'm a dog.

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They really didn't hang out together that much.

I mean, he told her how to get to places,

but he didn't hang out with her.

He told me he didn't like her.

I mean, he just I thought I thought he was like a leader,

like a leader.

And that he had everything under control,

he had people under him, and that he could teach me.

But it turned out he wasn't that at all.

He was a liar. Period.

He lied to all of us.

And it was like, even, like, when I talked to my brother

in Pakistan, and I told him,

"What did I Ali tell you that he was going to do?"

And he said, "Well, he told me

the same thing that he told you."

So I said, "Well, I mean, he, he, he didn't do it."

He said, "Well, what's going on?"

But I didn't back down.

So, I mean, it left him just standing there looking foolish

because he didn't have anything ready, and I was ready.

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So I was just waiting and waiting and waiting,

and it's like, finally I need to go do something.

So I went to the library, I got on the Internet

and I went to the FBI website.

And then I wrote to them and I told them,

I said, "Look, if you let me come home,

I'll tell you the truth that you want to know."

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We didn't Ali just took her to the airport and she's gone.

Never heard from her again.

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How much trouble I was gonna get into?

No, I did not know.

It's just, like, you know, the planning of killing that man,

I didn't think that was illegal because I didn't do it.

I didn't follow through.

But apparently that's called conspiracy.

And that's just as bad as

actually carrying it through almost.

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For you know what I the impression I get

for her the minute she came back to the United States,

that episode was over in her life.

And so she would talk to the agents about it

and then they would let her go home and that was it.

She would go back and live with Kurt.

I think she really that's, that's the way she perceived it.

And then when my lawyer told me that I was looking at life

I was like, "What the heck, I didn't even do anything."

The FBI told me, "This is a little bit of trouble,

this is a lot of trouble, you're right here."

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Jamie Pauline Ramirez: After, after we decided to get married,

the jihad aspect of our conversations

pretty much got put on the back burner.

Did he discuss jihad with you?

After we decided to get married, no.

Very little, I'll say very little.

Was it a loving relationship that you had?

Loving? No.

Mnh-mnh.

Why not?

I don't know.

He was very quiet and very distant.

He didn't talk to me.

Maybe 10 sentences.

Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but it was very little.

He wasn't, he wasn't violent towards me, he just didn't talk.

I mean, I didn't like the way he treated my son.

He was mean to my son.

I didn't like that at all.

Basically, it sounds like that Ali's, uh,

taking control of the child was the biggest factor

in the life in that apartment.

He, you know, he fashions some gun

for the, for the young child,

and he was, he was essentially

like starting to totally inculcate him,

taking him places, leaving him behind.

A lot of times he would take my son to the park

and I would be left at home.

Cook and then clean and then look on the Internet.

Christian: I have no clue if my mom was happy there.

Pretty much I never really saw her

except like sitting down and reading the newsprint or...

You didn't really see her?

No, I saw her a lot, but, like, not really doing anything.

Sometimes were you not allowed outside?

Not that I wasn't allowed, I just didn't get to wha...

Not that I was... he didn't say, "No, you can't go outside,"

but he just didn't take me anywhere.

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Jamie said she only went out once or twice.

So it was just total isolation.

Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez: It seemed to me like he kept her isolated

and would not let her leave the house,

so she was very much a prisoner in that home

and she allowed that to happen.

You know, she very well could have picked up and left.

But when you look at her history

from her previous marriages and the domestic abuse

she suffered and a dysfunctional childhood,

it is, you know, very much akin

to battered woman syndrome where she's not going,

even though it would make eminent sense for her to leave.

And, you know, what compounds it is,

she's in a foreign country, so where does she go?

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I got pregnant around February-ish.

And was that a shocker?

I don't know. No.

A fact of life.

It happens.

Were you happy with the news?

Was I happy with the pregnancy?

Yeah, I wanted, I wanted more kids.

So, it's not like I was going to reject the baby.

What does have anything to do with anything?

I'm working on my garden thing,

you want to talk to Christian?

Yes. Okay.

Christian, it's your mom.

Hi, baby, what are you doing?

Nothing, just watching TV.

What you watching? Uh, "River Monsters."

What is it?

"River Monsters."

Oh, yeah. So what'd you do today?

Huh? So what'd you do today?

Fed the chickens.

Woke up.

That's about it.

Is this your last week of school?

Huh? Is this your last week of school?

Yeah.

That's good.

Yep.

Well, I'm gonna try to have them mail that thing

So you can come out here this summer.

I hope I, hope I can.

Yeah, I hope you do, too.

Can't wait to see you.

Can't wait to see you.

So I'll try to make some money and send it to Grandma,

and bring you out here.

Hopefully, I'll have a bigger apartment.

Mm.

You getting bored?

A little.

Are you getting bored? No.

Ah.

You good?

Huh?

You good?

I am.

So what you been up to?

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Christian: One day, they came busting through the door

and then they took me and it was a cloud from there.

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I can't remember anything from there on.

There was a bang at the door and then

Ali goes, "Omalee, it's the police."

And he jumps over me and by the time he made it

to the other side of the floor, the police were in the room.

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Ali Charafe Damache: You're stupid. You really are stupid men.

You don't have, you don't have

people in America, living in America.

Believe me, when we get you, you will pay.

It's expensive.

What's the purpose of this call? Why are you calling?

And this is the, this is the consequences of a hypocrite.

You show me these photos, and I will shoot you.

I will put a bullet in your head.

Christian, my son,

they took him to this little play area

and then they took me to the side

and told me what I was arrested for.

Conspiracy to provide material support to al-Qaeda.

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They let me say goodbye to him.

♪♪

What did you say to him?

Then I was gonna, I was gonna go away for a while.

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I was in my room in solitary confinement

and just another regular day,

and this girl started yelling at me, "Fatima, Fatima!"

I said, "What?" She said, "They say that

you're all over on the TV." I said, "What?"

She said, "Yeah, they said something about 'Jihad Jane.'"

I said, "Really? What are they saying?"

"They said something about you was going to kill somebody

or something like that."

And, um, they're saying "it's all over the news."

We have got a "Fox News Alert."

Tonight, the Jihadist Next Door.

Susan, what do we know?

Take a look at this woman. Her name is Colleen LaRose.

She's been in here, at the federal prison

in Philadelphia since October.

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One of the COs was standing in front of my door

and she was freaking out because I guess

that the news people were all in front of the prison, too.

Wanting to film the prison or whatever,

and she'd go, "LaRose!" I said, "What?"

She goes, "What did you do?" "Nothing."

And I realized that, you know, people had known about me.

I had no idea it was going to be as widespread.

I don't know. It's just, it was crazy.

Good evening, everyone. She calls herself "Jihad Jane,"

a petite blond from the Philadelphia suburbs.

Tonight, a fascinating story.

A woman who lived on Main Street in Pennsburg, Pennsylvania,

stands accused of trying to recruit others

to wage a holy war in Asia and Europe.

An assistant attorney general said this case demonstrates

that terrorists are actively looking for Americans

to join their ranks.

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Colleen's indictment was a big deal.

I got inundated with calls from the press that day.

And this was a shocker.

She calls herself "Jihad Jane."

That's the name she gave herself.

I think the whole thing was fueled by the fact

that she called herself Jihad Jane.

I mean, that wasn't what the press called her,

she called herself that.

WoNew tonight, a Pennsylvania woman

who calls herself Jihad Jane, has been charged...

And because of that, it mushroomed

much more than it was.

Our big story this morning, Jihad Jane.

She called herself Jihad Jane.

Jihad Jane.

The kind of cases that get media attention are, are absurd.

I mean, they're absurd. So this is an absurd case.

But it's "Jihad Jane."

I gave myself that name.

I take pride in my name, Jihad Jane.

They call me a terrorist. They call me Jihad Jane.

They call me all kinda thing... Yeah, that's me. Yeah.

That's fine. I'm proud of my name.

She wasn't necessarily hiding.

When you're using the name Jihad Jane, and you're online.

Reporter: This video you see here, it shows where LaRose lived.

We also understand from neighbors

that she had a boyfriend with whom she lived.

Those initial showed up...

IThose days were terrible. I got to admit that.

I mean, I don't know how else to describe it,

but, yeah, it was miserable.

It's hard enough having, you know, a relationship problem,

but having a relationship problem

that's, you know, spread out throughout the world

is really makes it terrible there.

Alright, Steve Teeley reporting live

from the Philadelphia area.

Thank you very much. It's interesting.

Apparently, she lived with a guy

and stole his passport to give to a terrorist.

IOther than that, I don't know. I think it's mostly

just caused me more personal heartache than anything.

Lars Vilks: 'Twas, um, major news in Sweden,

so when the phones started to ring.

That was the whole day for that.

Well, you mentioned the artist she wanted to kill, Lars Vilks.

He came out with a statement and I read, quote,

"I'm glad she didn't kill me." Well put, Lars.

It seems very abstract in a way, to me.

It's like living in a film.

And in a way, it's a perfect work of art

where you play the main character for yourself.

Colleen LaRose, may not look like a terrorist,

and that's precisely what has people worried.

Then the news people make a big deal out of me

because I'm an American woman.

And I have I mean, I was planning to kill a man.

And I guess, I mean,

that's not something that you see every day.

Reporter: We've heard of soccer moms, right?

But what do you call Colleen LaRose?

My question is, we know that male suicide bombers,

I believe they're rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven.

But what do the female martyrs get Pat?

The Quran's really not clear about that.

They get to wash the dishes for all the others.

This is exactly what so many Americans

have been fearful of. Is that one of our own

who doesn't assume the normal stereotypical

"jihadist look" would actually turn.

First, Jihad Jane, now the woman dubbed "Jihad Jamie."

Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez: When Jamie was charged, I had to correct the media

because she never described herself as jihad Jamie.

And they stopped using the name.

But, at the same time, you know, if you're part of a band

and you're not the player that anybody remembers,

you're still part of the band.

Reporter: taking her 6-year-old son with her.

A 17 year old when he started to work with Jihad Jane

and we have to be concerned

about this type of individual in the future.

Khalid, a legal immigrant from Pakistan,

faces 15 years in prison.

I was keeping tabs on what was happening

and I was looking at news coverage.

It was mostly about her,

how she represented an anomaly in the whole terrorism concept,

the fact that she was white,

that she was blonde, blue eyed,

and that she wasn't, you know, someone

whom a typical terrorist would look like.

Reporter: Jihad Jane, is this the new face of homegrown terrorism?

Yes, the new face of the war on terror.

That came from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Reporter: According to authorities, thisis the new face

of international terrorism. - Federal authorities say this is

the potential face of terrorism in the United States.

Colleen LaRose represents the new face of terrorism.

Alright.

Yes, the media plays a role in this.

But the government, the process isn't the FBI.

The prosecutors fashioned her,

the first white female jihadist ever arrested.

And my client was the youngest jihadist

ever arrested in U.S. history.

The Justice Department says this points to an evolving threat.

Reporter: The indictment underscores the evolving nature

of the threat we face.

This case underscores the evolving nature

of the threat that we face.

So I think the message that the government

intended to get out there was,

"Oh, now there's terrorists that are not Arab Muslims.

That they haven't come from overseas

and snuck onto a plane with a bomb.

They are living among us, and...

I think that they were interested in

kind of fear mongering.

That she was a full-fledged jihad machine, Bill,

In many ways, she represents the greatest fear of the FBI,

a suspected terrorist who fits no profile,

a U.S. citizen who can travel freely and blend right in.

Jihad Jane is a real threat.

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♪♪

Last year there came an Opera at the Opera House in Stockholm.

On the theme of Jihad Jane.

We had... With just, three characters,

Jihad Jane, the artist, and a reporter.

That was a very nasty picture of the artist actually.

That's why I thought about

trying to do something completely different.

♪♪

I want to go deeper, and make,

to make a long Opera, actually.

♪♪

♪♪

It seemed to be over. And when it comes to 2010,

I actually thought that I forgot.

But then came this case and of course,

this case has a special fascination

and it became kind of world news.

Everyone seemed to believe that I had done something again.

♪♪

I showed a video about religion and homosexuality,

a funny, funny video, because it was showing

the prophet in homosexual situations.

♪♪

♪♪

And at that time, the Muslims in the room, they they reacted.

And one man came up to me, but then the bodyguards acted

and suddenly there was a riot in the room.

Police fighting with with angry Muslims.

And I was pulled out of the room and that was the riot in there.

♪♪

♪♪

And then just two days later, I mean,

you had this two Muslim guys

tried to burn down my house.

And they were all armatures.

They tried to burn down the house,

but they set fire to themselves

and they left their driver's license at the place.

I mean, that's it's really on the same amateurish level.

That's, again, what I call the amateurish pair.

Okay, and this has been inspected before.

It's just that it's not a real gun.

What happened that day, yes, I mean,

I was I had been at this place in Copenhagen

several times before.

Nice and calm.

This time we had the French ambassador there.

He gave a speech about the Charlie Hebdo case.

I just started, then, then the shooting began.

WoAnd the turning point, is "but."

Why do we still say but when we...

♪♪

That is a kind of breaking point in the whole story,

when, when you have to face a reality

and you lose the idea of being a part of a comedy.

I mean, they now know we have people

that are acting on such a level

that the people actually are killed.

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Because then you understand

that you can't really talk about amateurs anymore.

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This place looks like it's shut down.

I hear that that the employment is getting better,

jobs are coming back to America.

I like Trump.

I like him because he don't care what anybody says.

And when he got the job as president or whatever,

it was a downgrade from where he was used to or most presidents

get the job as president is an upgrade for them.

I just like the way that Trump

will say something and he don't apologize for it.

When he says he's going to do something, he does it.

Or he tries to do it, whereas most politicians,

when they say they're going to do something,

they just say it because they want to get elected.

I would vote for Trump.

But I do not like him

what he did with the Israelis and the Palestinians.

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Okay, you got the other one in?

We just gotta go up the road, get some water.

Water for them, water for us.

Okay. That's all.

That's it. Okay.

It's not worth the trouble, man.

I mean, we both sit up wondering

if we died in the morning, how safe is he?

He can't get through by himself, you know, and that ain't right.

I worry about his mom sending somebody

because she can't be heard verbally.

I'm seri... I don't like her.

I don't like his mom for what she did to him,

what she did to you.

And what she started now.

I told that bitch before she got in trouble.

You going to jail in six months? Was she there?

Yes.

Was she charged with what I said she could be charged with?

Okay, so I I'm not a profitable forecaster,

but I knew what the fuck I was talking about.

She know what I'll do.

And I've done her and don't play.

I'm not the one to play with.

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♪♪

♪♪

Thank you.

You're fortunate that you don't really remember

a whole lot of stuff.

About the only thing you remember

is not having a birthday. A couple things.

And your mom sitting on the pot reading a magazine.

Yeah, that was weird, but yeah, I don't remember anything.

So honestly, this isn't a big deal to me anymore.

It really was never a big deal.

It's for me, it's something that I remember every minute.

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I saw, like, a Wikipedia page on her

and I was telling her about how she was telling me

about how she a terrorist and all that.

I didn't really feel that much, but it just

nothing really surprised me 'cause I kind of knew

everything about what the page said.

Do you regret bringing him over there?

Well, I mean, I regret going over there, period,

because I'm... it lost seven years of my son's life.

Yeah, I regret that.

But I accept it.

When someone calls me Colleen, it irritates me.

I can't explain it.

If somebody did it at prison, I would jump all over her.

Don't ever call me that you ever call me that,

I will not answer to you. Don't ever call me that.

I don't like to be called Colleen anymore

because it's a part of my past that I no longer have.

As far as I'm concerned, she's pretty much dead.

It's going to be... So these first few weeks

are going to be a little tough. Yeah.

Got to get you a job. Just be like a temporary job.

A job doing what? I don't know.

But you need money.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's fascinating how she was used.

And yet she wouldn't complain about being used at all.

That's that's really one of the biggest ironies in all of this.

She just likes that her name, got out there.

It's sort of... And I laugh about that,

I you know, I shouldn't 'cause it's sad.

My old self, I'm nobody.

But with what, with what I did, I'm somebody.

I'm Jihad Jane. Yes, I'm somebody.

That's true. Yes.

And it sounds vain, I don't like to sound vain.

But yeah, I am somebody.

I am somebody people know and, yeah, I like it. It feels good.

Cristine: I got red, green, white.

Jamie Pauline Ramirez: You learn your lesson from the past,

of course, yes.

But to dwell on the past and saying,

"Well, I wish I could've done that."

No, it's not worth the time.

There was a reason I went to prison,

what it is, I haven't learned yet.

Well, maybe it's to learn, to learn something

about myself, I don't know.

To protect me from something.

It's me and the Swedish king, we are in the same situation.

He has also to cope with limitations.

What happened, happened.

I mean, there's no turning back to the, to date.

I mean that's, uh in this country at least, you know,

I've been the youngest person,

but tomorrow it could be someone else, you know?

So it's, it's important not to let that happen.

At the end of the day, there was one person

who always loved me through all this,

and he never, he of course, he got hurt.

Of course he got upset.

But he still loved me through all this.

And there's no way I'll ever be able

to make up to him for everything I did.

I'm going to try as hard as I can to make him happy.

He doesn't understand Islam

because his idea of Islam is what happened to me.

Because I reverted to Islam in 2008

and then I got to prison in 2009.

He told me, "Well, see what a lot of good Islam did for you."

But he doesn't understand,

This is something Idid not Islam didn't do to me.

Idid this.