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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,202 --> 00:00:04,342 [tense music] 2 00:00:04,372 --> 00:00:11,282 * 3 00:00:22,756 --> 00:00:25,586 - A man may die, 4 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:29,256 nations may rise and fall, 5 00:00:29,297 --> 00:00:32,127 but an idea lives on. 6 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:36,396 [cheers and applause] 7 00:00:36,437 --> 00:00:37,637 [gunshot] 8 00:00:37,671 --> 00:00:38,711 [people screaming] 9 00:00:38,739 --> 00:00:39,669 [gunshots] 10 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:41,207 [siren wailing] 11 00:00:41,242 --> 00:00:45,082 * 12 00:00:45,113 --> 00:00:47,553 - It's not an easy thing to kill the president 13 00:00:47,581 --> 00:00:49,821 of the United States. 14 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:52,250 But according to the official report, 15 00:00:52,286 --> 00:00:55,656 one man pulled off the crime of the century 16 00:00:55,689 --> 00:00:58,289 completely on his own. 17 00:00:58,326 --> 00:01:01,226 I've never believed it. 18 00:01:01,262 --> 00:01:05,202 One man can't plan this without support. 19 00:01:05,233 --> 00:01:07,843 [dramatic music] 20 00:01:07,868 --> 00:01:11,638 Now declassified files show 21 00:01:11,672 --> 00:01:14,582 that Oswald met with our main enemies, 22 00:01:14,608 --> 00:01:17,778 then came back and assassinated the president. 23 00:01:17,811 --> 00:01:19,851 * 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,890 If someone wanted to join ISIS and traveled across the border 25 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:26,318 and then came back... 26 00:01:26,354 --> 00:01:27,764 [loud explosion] 27 00:01:27,788 --> 00:01:30,118 And committed mass murder, 28 00:01:30,158 --> 00:01:32,558 can we really say he acted alone? 29 00:01:32,593 --> 00:01:35,603 * 30 00:01:35,629 --> 00:01:40,399 male narrator: Bob Baer spent 21 years as a CIA agent 31 00:01:40,434 --> 00:01:44,714 investigating assassinations and running covert operations. 32 00:01:44,738 --> 00:01:46,908 His interest in the Kennedy assassination 33 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:50,610 became an obsession while still working inside the walls 34 00:01:50,644 --> 00:01:53,714 of America's most secretive organization. 35 00:01:53,747 --> 00:01:55,677 - When I was still at the agency, 36 00:01:55,716 --> 00:01:58,816 I made a request for files concerning Lee Harvey Oswald 37 00:01:58,852 --> 00:02:01,262 and the Kennedy assassination. 38 00:02:01,289 --> 00:02:05,289 I took it all the way to the director, George H.W. Bush. 39 00:02:05,326 --> 00:02:08,926 He gave his approval, but when I went to retrieve the files, 40 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:11,702 I was told they were all lost. 41 00:02:11,732 --> 00:02:15,202 Nothing the CIA does is random. 42 00:02:15,236 --> 00:02:17,706 They don't lose information; they conceal it. 43 00:02:17,738 --> 00:02:21,438 I know, because I've done it myself. 44 00:02:21,475 --> 00:02:25,505 narrator: Now those missing files have been declassified 45 00:02:25,546 --> 00:02:28,746 along with over 2 million top secret documents 46 00:02:28,782 --> 00:02:32,422 pertaining to the assassination. 47 00:02:32,453 --> 00:02:34,893 - Over the last 50 years, this case has become 48 00:02:34,922 --> 00:02:37,532 all about conspiracy theories. 49 00:02:37,558 --> 00:02:39,688 I don't believe in conspiracy theories. 50 00:02:39,727 --> 00:02:43,827 I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman 51 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:45,604 in Dealey Plaza, 52 00:02:45,633 --> 00:02:47,703 [gunshot] 53 00:02:47,735 --> 00:02:50,965 But I always believed he had a network supporting him. 54 00:02:51,004 --> 00:02:54,914 With these declassified files, I'm going to prove it. 55 00:02:54,942 --> 00:02:58,212 No one can hide in the shadows forever. 56 00:03:03,317 --> 00:03:04,947 [light music] 57 00:03:04,985 --> 00:03:08,655 54 years ago, the president of the United States 58 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:10,789 was murdered down there. 59 00:03:10,824 --> 00:03:13,494 I, for one, have never been satisfied 60 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:14,997 with the record on this. 61 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:17,428 - This case has been contaminated by conspiracy, 62 00:03:17,465 --> 00:03:19,765 by movies; it's become part of our landscape, you know. 63 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,400 It's the JFK assassination. 64 00:03:21,435 --> 00:03:22,765 We need to step back, 65 00:03:22,803 --> 00:03:24,813 and we need to look at this objectively. 66 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:28,008 narrator: As Bob launches his independent investigation, 67 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:31,311 he's joined by Adam Bercovici. 68 00:03:31,345 --> 00:03:34,445 A former lieutenant of the Los Angeles Police Department, 69 00:03:34,482 --> 00:03:39,552 Bercovici led the elite special investigations section 70 00:03:39,587 --> 00:03:42,457 supervising hundreds of high-profile homicide 71 00:03:42,490 --> 00:03:45,890 investigations over the course of his 30-year career. 72 00:03:45,926 --> 00:03:47,526 - Take away the conspiracy. 73 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:49,631 Look at this as a murder investigation 74 00:03:49,663 --> 00:03:52,933 - Adam's experience will help me get at the questions 75 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:56,036 all the other investigations didn't know to ask. 76 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:58,869 He thinks like a cop, and that's exactly what I need. 77 00:03:58,906 --> 00:04:01,336 The Warren Commission clearly had a political agenda, 78 00:04:01,375 --> 00:04:02,935 as we know. 79 00:04:02,976 --> 00:04:06,606 President Johnson does not want to chuck us into a war 80 00:04:06,647 --> 00:04:09,277 that can kill 40 million Americans in an hour. 81 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:13,645 narrator: One week after the assassination 82 00:04:13,687 --> 00:04:15,457 of John F. Kennedy, 83 00:04:15,489 --> 00:04:17,959 newly appointed president Lyndon Johnson 84 00:04:17,991 --> 00:04:20,461 orders Chief Justice Earl Warren 85 00:04:20,494 --> 00:04:24,064 to investigate the events at Dealey Plaza. 86 00:04:24,097 --> 00:04:26,967 From the start, Johnson is concerned about the potential 87 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,400 involvement of Communist enemies 88 00:04:29,437 --> 00:04:32,037 at the height of the Cold War. 89 00:04:32,072 --> 00:04:35,312 He warns the Commission that evidence implicating Russia 90 00:04:35,343 --> 00:04:39,413 or Cuba could drive the world into nuclear war. 91 00:04:39,447 --> 00:04:44,387 In the end, the 888-page report concludes that Oswald acted 92 00:04:44,418 --> 00:04:46,948 entirely alone without the assistance 93 00:04:46,987 --> 00:04:50,517 of any accomplices. 94 00:04:50,558 --> 00:04:52,658 - The Warren Commission was ordered to avoid 95 00:04:52,693 --> 00:04:55,533 any conclusion that would lead to war, 96 00:04:55,563 --> 00:04:57,933 so they ignored important questions. 97 00:04:57,965 --> 00:05:00,795 Who else would have benefitted from JFK's murder? 98 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:02,904 The Russians, the Cubans. 99 00:05:02,936 --> 00:05:05,706 It's hard to believe he didn't have support. 100 00:05:05,739 --> 00:05:07,909 The Warren Commission report 101 00:05:07,941 --> 00:05:10,781 drew on thousands of pieces of evidence. 102 00:05:10,811 --> 00:05:15,351 But the fact is, there were millions upon millions 103 00:05:15,383 --> 00:05:17,423 more pieces of evidence 104 00:05:17,451 --> 00:05:19,821 the Warren Commission didn't have access to, 105 00:05:19,853 --> 00:05:23,663 because the CIA and the FBI withheld information. 106 00:05:23,691 --> 00:05:25,691 More than 2 million documents 107 00:05:25,726 --> 00:05:28,026 have been declassified in this case. 108 00:05:28,061 --> 00:05:31,401 But there is one document that jumped out at me right away. 109 00:05:32,833 --> 00:05:35,403 This is a classified conversation 110 00:05:35,436 --> 00:05:37,366 between President Johnson 111 00:05:37,405 --> 00:05:40,505 and FBI director J. Edgar Hoover 112 00:05:40,541 --> 00:05:43,881 on November 23, 1963, 113 00:05:43,911 --> 00:05:47,981 the day after the assassination, in a meeting about Oswald. 114 00:05:48,015 --> 00:05:49,645 Here's LBJ. 115 00:05:49,683 --> 00:05:51,793 "Have you established any more 116 00:05:51,819 --> 00:05:54,859 about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?" 117 00:05:54,888 --> 00:05:56,718 J. Edgar Hoover: 118 00:05:56,757 --> 00:06:00,887 "No, that's one angle that's very confusing." 119 00:06:02,463 --> 00:06:04,063 This is extraordinary. 120 00:06:04,097 --> 00:06:07,467 This evidence puts Oswald in the Soviet embassy eight weeks 121 00:06:07,501 --> 00:06:09,401 before the assassination. 122 00:06:09,437 --> 00:06:12,637 - The fact that that's not been looked at closely, 123 00:06:12,673 --> 00:06:14,513 I don't get it. I mean, this is the Cold War. 124 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:16,182 This is 1963. 125 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:19,109 This is at the height of the undeclared conflict 126 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:21,646 between the Soviet Union and the United States, 127 00:06:21,682 --> 00:06:23,552 and he makes it to Mexico City, 128 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:25,494 and he goes to the Soviet embassy. 129 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:27,149 That's a big deal. 130 00:06:27,187 --> 00:06:31,587 Today if you substituted the Soviet embassy 131 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:35,095 with the Islamic State in Syria, 132 00:06:35,128 --> 00:06:36,758 this is enough to get somebody arrested 133 00:06:36,797 --> 00:06:38,427 as a material witness. 134 00:06:38,466 --> 00:06:40,526 - Absolutely. 135 00:06:40,568 --> 00:06:43,138 - This is 100 times worse than what we're seeing today, 136 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:45,570 because this man killed the president of the United States, 137 00:06:45,606 --> 00:06:51,176 and he made contact right before with the main enemy. 138 00:06:51,211 --> 00:06:53,711 Let's see what else there is about Oswald's visit 139 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:56,547 to Mexico City. 140 00:06:56,584 --> 00:06:58,894 narrator: To analyze more than 2 million declassified 141 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:02,919 documents gathered over a 54-year period, 142 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:06,486 the team utilizes an enhanced neural network, 143 00:07:06,527 --> 00:07:09,227 running state-of-the-art analysis algorithms 144 00:07:09,262 --> 00:07:13,702 to uncover hidden links between seemingly unrelated documents. 145 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:17,844 - In this case, there hasn't been one giant document dump. 146 00:07:17,871 --> 00:07:19,771 The documents have been released 147 00:07:19,807 --> 00:07:22,107 strategically little by little 148 00:07:22,142 --> 00:07:25,752 making it virtually impossible for people to piece it together. 149 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:27,179 This is what the CIA does. 150 00:07:27,214 --> 00:07:29,154 I did it myself. 151 00:07:29,182 --> 00:07:31,922 No one's taken the time to put them all together 152 00:07:31,952 --> 00:07:34,592 and look at them as a collective. 153 00:07:34,622 --> 00:07:36,222 Look at this. 154 00:07:36,256 --> 00:07:40,656 After the assassination, John McCone, the CIA director, 155 00:07:40,694 --> 00:07:43,264 tells employees not to answer questions 156 00:07:43,296 --> 00:07:46,096 about Oswald in Mexico City. 157 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:48,843 - This is not how a criminal investigation is conducted. 158 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:51,809 They were telling people not to tell the truth. 159 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:54,239 - Something happened in Mexico City the CIA didn't want 160 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:56,114 the Warren Commission to know about. 161 00:07:56,143 --> 00:07:58,283 - We're gonna need more evidence. 162 00:07:58,311 --> 00:07:59,951 - Yeah, we've got to get down there. 163 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:02,150 This is ground zero for this whole investigation. 164 00:08:04,885 --> 00:08:07,015 narrator: When Lee Harvey Oswald assassinates 165 00:08:07,054 --> 00:08:11,164 President John F. Kennedy, he's only 24 years old. 166 00:08:11,191 --> 00:08:14,801 Born in New Orleans, Oswald is raised in Dallas 167 00:08:14,828 --> 00:08:18,628 without a father, who died shortly before his birth. 168 00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:21,896 At age 19, he attempts to renounce his American 169 00:08:21,935 --> 00:08:24,765 citizenship and defect to the Soviet Union. 170 00:08:24,805 --> 00:08:27,735 His efforts to become a Soviet citizen fail, 171 00:08:27,775 --> 00:08:32,275 but he remains in Russia for three years until 1962, 172 00:08:32,312 --> 00:08:35,582 returning to the United States just one year before 173 00:08:35,616 --> 00:08:37,646 his trip to Mexico City. 174 00:08:39,086 --> 00:08:42,656 [dramatic music] 175 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:46,660 - Mexico City in the '60s was a hotbed of espionage. 176 00:08:46,694 --> 00:08:49,764 Because of the close proximity to the United States 177 00:08:49,797 --> 00:08:52,727 and Mexico's soft stance on communism, 178 00:08:52,766 --> 00:08:56,166 America's enemies used the city as a hub of intelligence. 179 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:01,782 It's no coincidence that the biggest crime 180 00:09:01,809 --> 00:09:05,049 of the 20th century could have been planned here. 181 00:09:05,078 --> 00:09:08,018 [dramatic music] 182 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:14,988 * 183 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:18,287 - Bob, good to see you again. - Good to see you. 184 00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:20,085 - Let's go get after it. - Yeah. 185 00:09:20,127 --> 00:09:22,927 narrator: Joining the team in Mexico City 186 00:09:22,963 --> 00:09:25,873 is former army ranger Marty Skovlund, 187 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:28,239 a veteran of five Middle East deployments 188 00:09:28,268 --> 00:09:30,668 to both Iraq and Afghanistan. 189 00:09:30,704 --> 00:09:33,174 - Marty specialized in covert operations 190 00:09:33,206 --> 00:09:35,306 during his time in the military. 191 00:09:35,342 --> 00:09:38,652 His knowledge of terrorist networks and assassinations 192 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,949 will be invaluable to this investigation. 193 00:09:40,981 --> 00:09:42,851 [tense music] 194 00:09:42,883 --> 00:09:46,623 Oswald's six days in this city are absolutely crucial. 195 00:09:46,654 --> 00:09:50,164 They were never looked into by the Warren Commission, 196 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:52,330 because they didn't want to know. 197 00:09:52,359 --> 00:09:55,929 All through the declassified files, there's smoke. 198 00:09:55,963 --> 00:09:57,973 What I want to do is find the fire. 199 00:09:57,998 --> 00:10:02,198 If the CIA is telling people not to answer questions, 200 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:04,835 those are exactly the questions I want answered. 201 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:13,850 - During the 1960s, right on the doorstep of the U.S., 202 00:10:13,881 --> 00:10:16,081 you have a hotbed of Soviet espionage 203 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:17,816 right here in Mexico City. 204 00:10:17,851 --> 00:10:21,321 So we have Oswald, almost 24 years old, 205 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:25,734 walking right through those gates into the Soviet embassy. 206 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:28,099 - Essentially meeting with the enemy. 207 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:31,198 If we look at it today in terms of that context, 208 00:10:31,231 --> 00:10:35,301 a 24-year-old meeting with ISIS or al-Qaeda, it stands out. 209 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:36,295 I mean, it's a big deal. 210 00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:38,106 It really is. 211 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:40,438 - All spy operations were run out of here. 212 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,713 The CIA had it completely covered 213 00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:45,213 from observation posts and listening posts. 214 00:10:45,245 --> 00:10:50,045 What I want to do is get into these buildings around here 215 00:10:50,083 --> 00:10:53,993 and find out, if we can, where the CIA listening post was. 216 00:10:54,021 --> 00:10:58,891 I'd like to see the vantage point they used. 217 00:10:58,926 --> 00:11:01,796 narrator: Back in the 1960s and even today, 218 00:11:01,829 --> 00:11:04,829 the CIA employed covert surveillance stations 219 00:11:04,865 --> 00:11:07,465 known as listening posts in strategic spots 220 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,470 across the globe to gather intelligence 221 00:11:09,502 --> 00:11:11,712 from foreign enemies. 222 00:11:11,739 --> 00:11:15,009 Situated near embassies and government buildings, 223 00:11:15,042 --> 00:11:18,782 these sites utilized long-range microphones and telephone bugs 224 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:22,782 to document activity at sensitive locations. 225 00:11:22,816 --> 00:11:24,176 - Let's move. 226 00:11:24,217 --> 00:11:26,217 I want to find the listening post 227 00:11:26,253 --> 00:11:29,323 the CIA used to observe Oswald's visit. 228 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:32,056 My suspicion is that U.S. surveillance 229 00:11:32,092 --> 00:11:33,862 might have been too intense 230 00:11:33,894 --> 00:11:36,104 for the Russians to discuss anything sensitive 231 00:11:36,129 --> 00:11:38,769 with Oswald inside the embassy. 232 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:42,169 But I can't say for sure until I've put eyes on the sight. 233 00:11:42,202 --> 00:11:43,442 It's this building right here. 234 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:45,410 narrator: Utilizing his network, 235 00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:49,408 Bob gains access to what he believes is a former CIA 236 00:11:49,442 --> 00:11:51,982 listening post along the embassy's perimeter. 237 00:11:52,012 --> 00:11:53,752 - Come in. - Thank you. 238 00:11:53,781 --> 00:11:55,281 So you've lived here a long time. 239 00:11:55,315 --> 00:11:57,115 - Quite for a while. 240 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:59,890 When we moved in, we realized that there was something 241 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,160 pretty weird about this apartment. 242 00:12:02,189 --> 00:12:06,189 There was this safe, there were some monitors. 243 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:08,126 - Yeah. - And also that door over 244 00:12:08,161 --> 00:12:10,931 there, as you can see, it's made of metal, so... 245 00:12:10,964 --> 00:12:12,204 - Look at this door. 246 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:14,132 That's a safe room. 247 00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:16,197 - Yeah, look at the lock on here. 248 00:12:16,236 --> 00:12:18,406 - The door that we came in over here, that's no normal, 249 00:12:18,438 --> 00:12:20,138 ordinary apartment door either. 250 00:12:20,173 --> 00:12:22,543 I mean, you've got a cage on the outside. 251 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:25,975 Whoever was staying in here wanted a very secure apartment. 252 00:12:26,013 --> 00:12:27,923 - We were told that there were some people, 253 00:12:27,948 --> 00:12:30,078 perhaps spies, for several years. 254 00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:31,547 - I've kicked a lot of doors in my career. 255 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:33,154 and I've never seen one like this. 256 00:12:33,186 --> 00:12:36,286 - Yeah, you're right next to the Russian embassy. 257 00:12:36,323 --> 00:12:39,263 This was definitely an L.P., a listening post. 258 00:12:39,292 --> 00:12:41,232 But this place is a fortress. 259 00:12:41,261 --> 00:12:43,861 Any American walking into this embassy 260 00:12:43,897 --> 00:12:46,127 is not coming here for high tea. 261 00:12:46,166 --> 00:12:48,996 He's coming here to do damage to the United States. 262 00:12:49,036 --> 00:12:52,836 [dramatic music] 263 00:12:52,873 --> 00:12:55,083 Oswald going into the Soviet embassy 264 00:12:55,108 --> 00:12:57,138 is what's called a walk-in... 265 00:12:57,177 --> 00:12:59,077 * 266 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:02,582 People that come in willing to betray their country 267 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:05,245 and give up what they know. 268 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:08,885 As soon as Oswald enters the Soviet embassy, 269 00:13:08,922 --> 00:13:12,392 he would have met a Russian diplomatic official, 270 00:13:12,425 --> 00:13:15,495 but in fact, he's probably KGB. 271 00:13:15,528 --> 00:13:17,528 That's the way it works. 272 00:13:17,564 --> 00:13:21,874 This is something that I spent a career doing. 273 00:13:21,902 --> 00:13:25,212 As Oswald makes his way through the embassy, 274 00:13:25,238 --> 00:13:30,008 this whole process would look like it was a visa interview, 275 00:13:30,043 --> 00:13:32,553 but in fact, that's just the cover. 276 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:35,579 He's going to be ushered into a walk-in room, 277 00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:39,085 where he's gonna be met by other KGB officers. 278 00:13:39,119 --> 00:13:41,959 They would have quickly sized Oswald up 279 00:13:41,989 --> 00:13:44,929 to see if Oswald would be of any use. 280 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,330 I've run dozens and dozens of these things 281 00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:52,072 where you bring in L.P., and the major thing is, 282 00:13:52,099 --> 00:13:54,269 the Russians know it's here, 283 00:13:54,301 --> 00:13:58,271 but that doesn't keep the CIA from watching who's coming in. 284 00:13:58,305 --> 00:14:01,105 - I mean, you just imagine sitting here in '63. 285 00:14:01,141 --> 00:14:03,911 This is where they probably watched him walk in. 286 00:14:03,944 --> 00:14:06,014 Eight weeks later, President Kennedy's dead. 287 00:14:09,316 --> 00:14:12,246 - We have to assume at this point that Oswald 288 00:14:12,285 --> 00:14:14,415 intends to commit political murder. 289 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:18,664 Two months later, he kills the president of the United States. 290 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:21,591 The chances of his coming into this embassy 291 00:14:21,628 --> 00:14:23,528 and proposing political murder 292 00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:26,533 in the United States are pretty good. 293 00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:30,236 Better chance is that the moment he mentions that, 294 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:31,600 the Russians are gonna say, "All right, 295 00:14:31,638 --> 00:14:33,568 let's take this outside." 296 00:14:33,606 --> 00:14:36,976 The Russians have to assume their embassy is wired 297 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:41,310 and all conversations inside that embassy are monitored. 298 00:14:43,483 --> 00:14:47,523 And what I want to find out is, when he left this embassy, 299 00:14:47,554 --> 00:14:51,024 whether there was recontact, and also, 300 00:14:51,058 --> 00:14:52,588 what were the Russians' intentions? 301 00:14:52,625 --> 00:14:56,055 If the Russians were involved in the assassination, 302 00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:57,626 I don't believe they would have talked about the murder 303 00:14:57,664 --> 00:14:59,604 inside the embassy. 304 00:14:59,632 --> 00:15:01,972 They were simply under too much surveillance, 305 00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:03,472 and they knew it. 306 00:15:03,503 --> 00:15:05,543 And you just look at this L.P. here 307 00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:07,212 and how close we are. 308 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,280 The Russians wouldn't have taken the risk. 309 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:11,439 And they just wouldn't do it here. 310 00:15:11,478 --> 00:15:14,678 After finding this listening post, I now feel confident. 311 00:15:14,714 --> 00:15:17,084 The Russians would have met up with Oswald 312 00:15:17,117 --> 00:15:20,047 at a safe location outside the embassy, 313 00:15:20,087 --> 00:15:21,647 someplace that they could speak 314 00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:23,418 where they weren't being surveilled. 315 00:15:23,456 --> 00:15:27,126 We need to look for evidence of that covert meeting. 316 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,160 The red flag has already gone up for me. 317 00:15:29,196 --> 00:15:32,126 narrator: Convinced that Oswald and the Russians 318 00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:34,465 would have never discussed Kennedy's assassination 319 00:15:34,501 --> 00:15:36,501 inside the embassy, 320 00:15:36,536 --> 00:15:38,606 the team divides to look for evidence 321 00:15:38,638 --> 00:15:40,568 of a second meeting. 322 00:15:40,607 --> 00:15:43,307 While Bob and Adam dig back into the documents, 323 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:46,983 Marty meets up with local investigator Eric Ceballos 324 00:15:47,014 --> 00:15:51,584 and heads to Lee Harvey Oswald's Mexico City hotel. 325 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,218 - You're saying this is not really a tourist area? 326 00:15:54,254 --> 00:15:56,324 - No, no, no, it's actually pretty sketchy. 327 00:15:56,356 --> 00:15:59,456 It's dangerous for sure. 328 00:15:59,492 --> 00:16:02,562 - Do you think it was that way back in '63? 329 00:16:02,595 --> 00:16:04,525 - Yes, this part of the city, yes. 330 00:16:04,564 --> 00:16:07,574 - Yeah? - It's not a touristy place. 331 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,600 narrator: The Warren Commission reports that Lee Harvey Oswald 332 00:16:10,637 --> 00:16:13,437 checked into the Hotel del Comercio 333 00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:17,143 within one hour of his arrival in Mexico City. 334 00:16:17,177 --> 00:16:19,277 - Okay, it's just up here, guys. 335 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:21,352 narrator: Located in a high-crime area 336 00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:24,081 with a reported cartel presence, 337 00:16:24,117 --> 00:16:27,247 Eric instructs Marty to utilize a phone camera 338 00:16:27,287 --> 00:16:29,517 to film the hotel. 339 00:16:29,556 --> 00:16:32,326 - [speaking Spanish] 340 00:16:32,359 --> 00:16:34,389 - [speaking Spanish] 341 00:16:34,427 --> 00:16:36,557 - The first thing that jumps out at me is, 342 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:39,126 this is off the beaten path. 343 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,026 It's run-down. 344 00:16:41,068 --> 00:16:43,038 It's just not the typical spot 345 00:16:43,070 --> 00:16:45,070 that you would come to as a tourist. 346 00:16:45,105 --> 00:16:47,435 It's very functional. 347 00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:50,544 I worked as a member of a unit that was bringing down the most 348 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:53,507 sophisticated terrorist networks in the world. 349 00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,476 This is the kind of flophouse terrorists hide in 350 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,115 to stay off the radar. 351 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:59,550 And he gets off the bus in Mexico City 352 00:16:59,586 --> 00:17:01,686 and goes straight for this hotel. 353 00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:05,191 When you look at Lee Harvey Oswald's patterns of behavior, 354 00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:06,725 they raise all sorts of red flags. 355 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,399 You know, he's claiming to be a tourist, 356 00:17:08,428 --> 00:17:10,058 but he's not acting like a tourist at all. 357 00:17:10,097 --> 00:17:11,557 He's not staying where a tourist stays. 358 00:17:11,598 --> 00:17:13,068 He's acting in a very deliberate 359 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:15,140 and planned-out manner 360 00:17:15,168 --> 00:17:17,268 that's consistent with somebody that's on a mission. 361 00:17:23,776 --> 00:17:27,176 - Anybody that walks into a Soviet embassy 362 00:17:27,214 --> 00:17:30,224 in a country where it's a hotbed of espionage, 363 00:17:30,250 --> 00:17:32,350 he's not a tourist. 364 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:34,615 I tell you, if I were in that embassy 365 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:36,464 and I were assessing him, 366 00:17:36,489 --> 00:17:39,359 I would give him a walk-in package. 367 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:42,402 It's the way it works. 368 00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:45,799 When I was at the CIA, I ran hundreds of walk-ins. 369 00:17:45,832 --> 00:17:48,842 If a walk in comes into the embassy, 370 00:17:48,868 --> 00:17:51,668 the protocol is very clear. 371 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:54,514 [dramatic music] 372 00:17:54,541 --> 00:17:58,481 If the Russians wanted to meet Oswald outside the embassy, 373 00:17:58,511 --> 00:18:02,251 they would have given him coded meeting arrangements, 374 00:18:02,282 --> 00:18:05,692 a so-called walk-in package. 375 00:18:05,718 --> 00:18:08,558 It would have looked like ordinary papers, 376 00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:10,588 things that would look completely benign 377 00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:15,333 to anyone but Oswald. 378 00:18:15,362 --> 00:18:18,602 Even the CIA would not have immediately recognized them 379 00:18:18,631 --> 00:18:21,231 for what they were. 380 00:18:21,268 --> 00:18:24,538 These papers would have pointed Oswald in the direction 381 00:18:24,571 --> 00:18:29,441 of another location and time, 382 00:18:29,476 --> 00:18:31,676 the meeting outside of the embassy. 383 00:18:35,382 --> 00:18:37,382 narrator: In the wake of the assassination, 384 00:18:37,417 --> 00:18:40,387 the FBI catalogued all of Lee Harvey Oswald's 385 00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:42,790 personal effects. 386 00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:45,192 Among the items listed in the Warren Commission 387 00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:47,555 were a Spanish-English dictionary, 388 00:18:47,594 --> 00:18:51,604 a tourist guide, a city map, and multiple postcards. 389 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,900 - We have a map; any tourist could have had this. 390 00:18:55,935 --> 00:18:58,305 We've got a dictionary, a Spanish-English dictionary. 391 00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:00,868 We've got postcards. 392 00:19:04,277 --> 00:19:06,477 - You know what I don't like about the postcards? 393 00:19:06,513 --> 00:19:08,783 Here's a guy on the edge. 394 00:19:08,815 --> 00:19:12,315 Would he come down here and buy a postcard? 395 00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:14,292 What possible reason? 396 00:19:14,321 --> 00:19:17,421 Do people do that that are about ready to commit a crime? 397 00:19:17,457 --> 00:19:20,287 The Warren Commission missed this. 398 00:19:20,327 --> 00:19:24,597 These postcards were not looked at with any expertise. 399 00:19:24,631 --> 00:19:26,601 Like the rest of the stuff 400 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:29,303 Oswald walked around Mexico City with, 401 00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:31,966 the postcards could easily be written off 402 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:33,674 as something a tourist would buy, 403 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:36,606 but having spent 21 years in the CIA, 404 00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:38,753 this screams tradecraft to me. 405 00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:43,550 narrator: During the Cold War, the Soviet KGB 406 00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:46,223 perfected the art of covert communication 407 00:19:46,253 --> 00:19:48,863 known as tradecraft. 408 00:19:48,888 --> 00:19:53,658 In 1961, Colonel Oleg Penkovsky of the Soviet military 409 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:56,833 used postcards as a mechanism to pass intelligence 410 00:19:56,863 --> 00:19:59,003 during clandestine operations. 411 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:02,341 The landmark featured on the front of the postcard 412 00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:04,969 is the desired location of a secret meeting. 413 00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:06,974 There is no set time for this meeting. 414 00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:10,336 Instead, the KGB surveils their asset, 415 00:20:10,377 --> 00:20:12,847 waiting for him to visit the landmark. 416 00:20:12,879 --> 00:20:15,849 Agents would then make their approach. 417 00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:21,654 - Sending Oswald out of an embassy with a postcard 418 00:20:21,688 --> 00:20:23,788 outlining what the meeting is gonna be, 419 00:20:23,823 --> 00:20:27,933 the tradecraft is identical to the tradecraft used by the KGB, 420 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,330 absolutely secure, doesn't implicate, 421 00:20:31,364 --> 00:20:34,474 and it's the absence of evidence 422 00:20:34,501 --> 00:20:36,871 that is evidence itself. 423 00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:39,343 narrator: The postcards in Oswald's possession 424 00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:42,482 feature four prominent Mexico City landmarks, 425 00:20:42,509 --> 00:20:45,949 the Revolution Monument, the Torre Latino, 426 00:20:45,978 --> 00:20:47,848 the Angel of Independence, 427 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,320 and the Plaza de Toros bullring. 428 00:20:51,351 --> 00:20:52,791 - So what do you think? 429 00:20:52,819 --> 00:20:54,619 - I think, yeah, we've got four locations. 430 00:20:54,654 --> 00:20:58,294 What I'd like to do is go and visit all four 431 00:20:58,325 --> 00:21:02,355 and reconstruct the most logical place 432 00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:03,555 to make a meeting. 433 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,399 We know from the documents the CIA observed 434 00:21:10,437 --> 00:21:13,437 Oswald going inside the Russian embassy 435 00:21:13,473 --> 00:21:16,313 and meeting with our main enemy. 436 00:21:16,343 --> 00:21:18,713 After the meeting, the CIA would have been keeping track 437 00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:20,905 of Oswald around the city. 438 00:21:20,947 --> 00:21:24,677 If one of these places would have been used to discuss 439 00:21:24,717 --> 00:21:27,387 killing Kennedy, it would have had to have been a place 440 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,990 where you can't be photographed, where you can't be surveilled. 441 00:21:30,022 --> 00:21:33,992 narrator: The team splits up to see which of the four locations 442 00:21:34,026 --> 00:21:37,396 is viable for a covert meeting. 443 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:39,470 [dramatic music] 444 00:21:39,499 --> 00:21:42,599 - So what we're looking for is a place that Soviets might have 445 00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:46,635 had what they're calling an iron meeting. 446 00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:48,483 narrator: The first of Oswald's postcards 447 00:21:48,508 --> 00:21:50,708 features the Revolution Monument, 448 00:21:50,743 --> 00:21:53,513 a landmark opened in 1938 449 00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:56,746 to commemorate the Mexican Revolution. 450 00:21:56,783 --> 00:21:59,023 - The bottom line is, is this a place that we want to have 451 00:21:59,051 --> 00:22:01,591 a clandestine meeting? 452 00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:04,121 It's the kind of meeting that can't be compromised 453 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:05,756 by counter surveillance. 454 00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:07,662 - The KGB at that time, 455 00:22:07,694 --> 00:22:09,364 they were among the best in the world 456 00:22:09,396 --> 00:22:10,756 at doing this sort of thing. 457 00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:12,097 They're not gonna pick a place 458 00:22:12,131 --> 00:22:14,901 that leaves them vulnerable at all. 459 00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:17,074 * 460 00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:18,873 - I mean, you've got a meeting spot up there, 461 00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:21,135 but you've got one way up and one way down, 462 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:22,783 essentially no escape route if you're trying to beat 463 00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:24,679 a surveillance. 464 00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:27,111 - Up there is a terrible place to conduct a meeting, 465 00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:28,746 but it's a great place if you're the one 466 00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:31,981 running surveillance on a potential meeting. 467 00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:36,718 narrator: In 1963, both KGB and CIA operations 468 00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:39,386 assume the enemy is always watching. 469 00:22:39,426 --> 00:22:43,596 The KGB strategically select meeting locations to dodge 470 00:22:43,630 --> 00:22:48,500 the CIA, avoiding places like the plaza around the Revolution 471 00:22:48,535 --> 00:22:51,465 Monument, where the CIA could easily watch 472 00:22:51,504 --> 00:22:54,414 from the monument's elevated perch. 473 00:22:54,441 --> 00:22:56,541 - We need something that's easy to get in and out of, 474 00:22:56,576 --> 00:22:58,176 something that's easy to counter-surveil, 475 00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:00,710 and this is not that place. 476 00:23:00,747 --> 00:23:02,847 * 477 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:05,922 narrator: Across town, Bob is joined by local investigator 478 00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:09,062 Eric Ceballos to survey the second location 479 00:23:09,088 --> 00:23:11,958 featured on Oswald's postcards. 480 00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:14,931 - So this is the Angel of Independence. 481 00:23:14,961 --> 00:23:18,101 - Let's see what we can see. 482 00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:20,830 narrator: Known commonly as El Angel, 483 00:23:20,867 --> 00:23:23,997 the Angel of Independence was built in 1910 484 00:23:24,036 --> 00:23:26,166 on a roundabout of a major thoroughfare 485 00:23:26,205 --> 00:23:29,775 in downtown Mexico City. 486 00:23:29,809 --> 00:23:32,509 - I've worked against the KGB for many years, 487 00:23:32,545 --> 00:23:34,175 and I can tell you right now, 488 00:23:34,213 --> 00:23:36,623 they are not gonna pick an open location like this 489 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:39,949 so you've got 360-degree coverage. 490 00:23:39,986 --> 00:23:41,616 They can't control it. 491 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:44,894 The CIA was watching everything they did there. 492 00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:47,094 narrator: The Angel of Independence sits 493 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:49,056 on an isolated roundabout, 494 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,625 making a meeting visible from all directions 495 00:23:51,664 --> 00:23:55,474 and offering no escape route for KGB agents 496 00:23:55,502 --> 00:23:58,872 or Oswald if spotted by the CIA. 497 00:23:58,905 --> 00:24:02,005 - I'm quite certain that whatever this postcard means, 498 00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:03,581 it did not mean meeting here. 499 00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:05,040 That makes no sense at all. 500 00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:11,549 [tense music] 501 00:24:11,584 --> 00:24:13,694 narrator: With two sites left to investigate, 502 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,660 Adam and Marty head into the heart 503 00:24:15,688 --> 00:24:18,658 of Mexico City's financial district. 504 00:24:18,691 --> 00:24:20,931 A postcard featuring the skyscraper 505 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,600 known as El Torre Latino was one of four found 506 00:24:24,631 --> 00:24:28,641 among the personal possessions of Lee Harvey Oswald. 507 00:24:28,668 --> 00:24:30,868 - This building right here, this Empire State Building-looking 508 00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:35,613 thing, in 1963, this was the tallest building in Mexico City. 509 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:41,209 The one thing that really strikes me, 510 00:24:41,247 --> 00:24:42,207 and I'm sure it hasn't changed that much, 511 00:24:42,248 --> 00:24:44,118 is the volume of people here. 512 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,190 Even in our major cities like New York, 513 00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:48,288 we're just not gonna see this type of volume of people. 514 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,720 It's more similar to, like, in India or Bombay or something. 515 00:24:51,758 --> 00:24:54,828 What do you think in terms of a meet location? 516 00:24:54,861 --> 00:24:58,161 - Big crowds are an excellent place to be able to lose people, 517 00:24:58,197 --> 00:25:01,027 get lost in the crowd, be able to duck in and out of alleyways. 518 00:25:01,067 --> 00:25:02,597 You want to be in a place where you can make a quick 519 00:25:02,635 --> 00:25:04,965 escape if you need. 520 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:06,544 The tall buildings like this are exactly 521 00:25:06,573 --> 00:25:07,943 what you don't want around. 522 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:10,684 [tense music] 523 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:12,180 They had long lenses back then. 524 00:25:12,211 --> 00:25:14,111 You could put multiple people up in these buildings 525 00:25:14,146 --> 00:25:15,676 with a long lens, and they're gonna take 526 00:25:15,715 --> 00:25:17,115 all the pictures they want. 527 00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:18,919 narrator: Outside El Torre Latino, 528 00:25:18,951 --> 00:25:20,851 there are no distinct meeting spots 529 00:25:20,887 --> 00:25:22,617 on the chaotic sidewalks 530 00:25:22,655 --> 00:25:25,885 for KGB agents to intercept Oswald. 531 00:25:25,925 --> 00:25:29,825 Inside the building, CIA agents could easily surround them 532 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:33,932 and monitor conversations from neighboring structures. 533 00:25:33,966 --> 00:25:35,736 - This is not what I'm looking for if I'm setting up 534 00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:39,038 a meeting like that. 535 00:25:39,071 --> 00:25:42,141 narrator: The last potential site of Oswald's covert meeting 536 00:25:42,174 --> 00:25:45,754 with the Soviet KGB, 537 00:25:45,778 --> 00:25:47,848 the Plaza de Toros Mexico, 538 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,650 the world's largest bullring. 539 00:25:55,354 --> 00:25:57,694 - And when you get a ticket, do you actually get the number 540 00:25:57,724 --> 00:25:59,364 of the row you have to sit on? 541 00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:00,831 - Yes, you do. 542 00:26:04,931 --> 00:26:06,201 - This looks amazing. 543 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:09,202 [tense music] 544 00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:10,765 * 545 00:26:10,803 --> 00:26:12,813 This looks really, really interesting. 546 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:17,339 * 547 00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:19,276 Wow. Look at this place. 548 00:26:19,311 --> 00:26:22,721 * 549 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:25,349 This is an ideal location. 550 00:26:25,384 --> 00:26:27,324 narrator: The bullring is the perfect site 551 00:26:27,353 --> 00:26:30,223 for a secret meeting with the KGB. 552 00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:35,186 The question remains, was Lee Harvey Oswald here? 553 00:26:40,967 --> 00:26:45,337 - All of these seats, and the number of tunnels, 554 00:26:45,371 --> 00:26:48,171 you would never be able to surveil anybody. 555 00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:49,707 It'd be nearly impossible. 556 00:26:53,179 --> 00:26:56,849 narrator: In Mexico City, former CIA agent Bob Baer 557 00:26:56,883 --> 00:27:00,293 is investigating the Plaza de Toros Mexico, 558 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,819 a bullring where he suspects that Lee Harvey Oswald 559 00:27:03,856 --> 00:27:06,126 had a secret meeting with the KGB 560 00:27:06,158 --> 00:27:09,958 just weeks before the Kennedy assassination. 561 00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:12,056 * 562 00:27:12,098 --> 00:27:14,898 - If the KGB met with Oswald, 563 00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:17,374 they would have specifically chosen a meeting location 564 00:27:17,403 --> 00:27:20,813 where they couldn't be watched by CIA operatives. 565 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,180 This bullring could be perfect. 566 00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:25,379 Did many foreigners come here? 567 00:27:25,411 --> 00:27:29,321 - Yeah, it's kind of a tourist attraction too. 568 00:27:29,348 --> 00:27:31,248 - So an American showing up, a gringo... 569 00:27:31,283 --> 00:27:33,093 - He could mingle in easily. 570 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,419 - He could mingle in. 571 00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:36,323 It's a logical place for Oswald to go. 572 00:27:36,355 --> 00:27:37,915 He's in Mexico City. 573 00:27:37,957 --> 00:27:39,157 "Well, I'll go to the bullfight." 574 00:27:39,191 --> 00:27:41,031 - Mm-hmm. 575 00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:43,330 - But the other edge of the sword is, 576 00:27:43,362 --> 00:27:47,232 it's the perfect place to make an introduction. 577 00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:51,236 If Oswald were given tickets, 578 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:53,340 he could go to the stadium, 579 00:27:53,372 --> 00:27:57,142 sit in the seat the ticket indicates, 580 00:27:57,176 --> 00:28:01,346 some guy sits next to him, and they can sit here and talk. 581 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:03,880 It's foolproof. - Mm-hmm. 582 00:28:03,916 --> 00:28:07,916 - This would be a classic KGB operation. 583 00:28:07,954 --> 00:28:11,394 Of all the locations in the four postcards, 584 00:28:11,423 --> 00:28:15,393 the only one that makes sense to me is the bullring. 585 00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:18,497 The other three were probably decoys. 586 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:21,470 The KGB would never risk putting Oswald 587 00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:25,070 in a meeting outside of the embassy in the other locations. 588 00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:27,314 * 589 00:28:27,339 --> 00:28:30,179 This is what it boils down to. 590 00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:32,339 It's gonna do you no good to come here and meet 591 00:28:32,378 --> 00:28:34,278 with nobody in the stadium. 592 00:28:34,313 --> 00:28:38,283 What we need is to determine whether there was a bullfight 593 00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:41,147 when Oswald was here, because if there was 594 00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:43,087 no bullfight, there was no meeting. 595 00:28:43,122 --> 00:28:46,192 [dramatic music] 596 00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:49,095 Do you think there are records of this here? 597 00:28:49,128 --> 00:28:51,198 - Yeah, it's car copy. 598 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:54,000 narrator: Bob and Eric make contact with Jorge Sanchez 599 00:28:54,033 --> 00:28:56,143 at the National Archive 600 00:28:56,168 --> 00:29:00,338 to examine bullfighting records from Oswald's six-day trip 601 00:29:00,372 --> 00:29:03,282 to Mexico City between September 27th 602 00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:07,049 and October 2, 1963. 603 00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,348 Yeah, this looks like the right dates. 604 00:29:11,383 --> 00:29:14,223 [suspenseful music] 605 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:20,863 * 606 00:29:20,893 --> 00:29:22,763 Oh... 607 00:29:35,842 --> 00:29:38,082 - Yeah. - Same as the card. 608 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,020 - For me, this is key. 609 00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:47,119 Oswald goes into the Russian embassy on the 28th, 610 00:29:47,153 --> 00:29:50,893 he ends up with a postcard of the bullfighting ring, 611 00:29:50,923 --> 00:29:53,933 and then the exact next day, there's a bullfight. 612 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,960 You just start adding this stuff up. 613 00:29:56,996 --> 00:29:59,996 Every piece of evidence we have 614 00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:04,072 points to an iron meeting at this stadium. 615 00:30:04,103 --> 00:30:07,013 * 616 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,339 We checked the archives, and there was a bullfight 617 00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,105 during Oswald's visit. 618 00:30:11,143 --> 00:30:13,913 I mean, this is kind of tradecraft 619 00:30:13,946 --> 00:30:15,876 that the KGB is known for. 620 00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:19,515 - This place offers what none of those other places did 621 00:30:19,551 --> 00:30:22,621 narrator: Bob Baer reunites with former police lieutenant 622 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:26,934 Adam Bercovici and former army ranger Marty Skovlund 623 00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:29,359 to pressure test the team's working theory 624 00:30:29,395 --> 00:30:32,525 that Lee Harvey Oswald met with KGB operatives 625 00:30:32,564 --> 00:30:34,904 at the Plaza de Toros Mexico 626 00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:38,474 to avoid detection by the CIA. 627 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,514 - Okay, here is what I want to do. 628 00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:43,509 I'm gonna run a little test here, play a little spy game. 629 00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,512 I want to show you how a meeting can take place there 630 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:49,975 right under your nose, and you don't see it. 631 00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:52,986 I'm gonna go in there, and I'm gonna meet up with our fixer, 632 00:30:53,019 --> 00:30:57,459 Eric, and I want to see how hard it is for you guys 633 00:30:57,489 --> 00:30:59,929 to keep track of me in there. 634 00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:02,059 The only way how to figure out how these things work 635 00:31:02,094 --> 00:31:03,304 is to test them. 636 00:31:03,329 --> 00:31:05,629 [dramatic music] 637 00:31:05,664 --> 00:31:08,174 narrator: To simulate the role of Oswald, 638 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,140 Bob will proceed into the stadium alone 639 00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:13,210 in an attempt to meet undetected 640 00:31:13,239 --> 00:31:15,339 with a KGB operative 641 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:19,084 played by the team's local investigator Eric Ceballos. 642 00:31:19,111 --> 00:31:21,081 * 643 00:31:21,113 --> 00:31:24,023 With Eric in position and Bob on the move, 644 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:27,020 Adam and Marty set out to track them down, 645 00:31:27,053 --> 00:31:30,963 simulating CIA surveillance of Russian activity. 646 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:33,630 This test should have been done 50 years ago. 647 00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:37,259 This the kind of detail that you really need to get into, 648 00:31:37,296 --> 00:31:38,396 because it's something the Warren Commission 649 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,130 never looked at. 650 00:31:40,166 --> 00:31:42,226 They never went to the bullfighting stadium. 651 00:31:42,268 --> 00:31:45,268 They just dismissed the evidence. 652 00:31:45,304 --> 00:31:47,714 If I manage to evade their surveillance 653 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:50,539 and make my secret meeting, we'll be one step closer 654 00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:53,146 to proving that the Russians could have been 655 00:31:53,179 --> 00:31:55,379 involved in the assassination. 656 00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:57,984 [cheers and applause] 657 00:32:01,353 --> 00:32:03,293 - [speaking Spanish] 658 00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,522 - I'm about seven rows up, and I don't see him anywhere. 659 00:32:05,557 --> 00:32:07,257 Over. 660 00:32:07,293 --> 00:32:10,203 - Roger that. I'm headed towards seven. 661 00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:11,429 I'm gonna go ahead and see if I can take a look down there, 662 00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:13,433 see what I can see. 663 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:17,265 narrator: In 1963, approximately 40,000 people 664 00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:20,343 attended fights at the Plaza de Toros Mexico, 665 00:32:20,372 --> 00:32:23,212 filling more than three tiers of seating. 666 00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:26,582 2 main entrances and more than 20 interior tunnels 667 00:32:26,612 --> 00:32:28,982 create a labyrinth of concourses 668 00:32:29,015 --> 00:32:32,145 within the concrete structure. 669 00:32:32,184 --> 00:32:36,594 Tonight there are approximately 10,000 people in attendance. 670 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:39,462 * 671 00:32:39,491 --> 00:32:41,591 - A big part of my career was involved 672 00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:44,157 in the surveillance world surveilling some of the worst 673 00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:46,326 criminals on the streets of Los Angeles. 674 00:32:46,365 --> 00:32:48,625 It is one of the hardest things to do. 675 00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:51,167 It's not like the movies where you're locked up behind them. 676 00:32:51,203 --> 00:32:54,543 It is a hunt. 677 00:32:54,573 --> 00:32:56,313 narrator: The manhunt begins. 678 00:32:56,342 --> 00:32:58,042 - I'm moving over to the next tunnel, over. 679 00:32:58,077 --> 00:33:00,077 narrator: And the team will soon find out 680 00:33:00,112 --> 00:33:03,122 if Lee Harvey Oswald could have met undetected 681 00:33:03,149 --> 00:33:07,149 with America's most dangerous enemy. 682 00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:15,127 - In 1963, the Soviets were our main enemy. 683 00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:17,561 Oswald meeting with a KGB officer 684 00:33:17,596 --> 00:33:21,096 would be like someone meeting with a member of ISIS today. 685 00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:22,533 [tense music] 686 00:33:22,568 --> 00:33:24,638 narrator: Bob plays the role of Oswald, 687 00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:27,740 attempting to meet undetected with a KGB operative 688 00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:30,343 played by local investigator Eric. 689 00:33:30,376 --> 00:33:32,776 Adam and Marty set out to track them down, 690 00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:37,821 simulating CIA operatives spying on the Russians. 691 00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:40,449 - All right, Adam, I think I've got Bob over here 692 00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:45,216 between sections one and seven. 693 00:33:45,257 --> 00:33:46,827 - That's gonna be a negative. That is not Bob. 694 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:49,558 That is not our target. Copy. 695 00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:50,825 - All right, we need to figure out where he is. 696 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:52,432 We're running out of time. 697 00:33:52,464 --> 00:33:56,104 * 698 00:33:56,135 --> 00:33:58,135 [cheers and applause] 699 00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:00,540 - I've got about two sections to clear. 700 00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:03,782 Gonna do nine and ten, then just take a look down 701 00:34:03,809 --> 00:34:05,509 towards the center of the stadium. 702 00:34:05,544 --> 00:34:06,654 - Roger. 703 00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:10,578 * 704 00:34:10,616 --> 00:34:12,546 There's a lot of people here. 705 00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:14,124 This is a little bit more difficult than I was expecting. 706 00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:17,563 * 707 00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:20,329 A stadium's a big place, even for a trained person. 708 00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:22,759 This presents a lot of challenges. 709 00:34:22,794 --> 00:34:24,534 In today's day and age, we've got a lot of technology 710 00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:27,133 that aids this. 711 00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:28,666 But we're kind of putting ourselves back 712 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:30,870 in the 1960s here, so it becomes physically 713 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:34,742 very difficult to conduct a thorough reconnaissance 714 00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:36,443 of this area and tail somebody. 715 00:34:36,475 --> 00:34:41,275 [phone rings] 716 00:34:41,313 --> 00:34:43,753 - Hey, Bob, what's up? 717 00:34:43,782 --> 00:34:45,682 - Hey, Adam, Marty. 718 00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:51,321 - Negative, we did not, negative, we did not. 719 00:34:52,791 --> 00:34:53,861 - No, we did not see you. 720 00:34:53,892 --> 00:34:55,762 - Thought so. 721 00:34:58,464 --> 00:35:01,274 It's too hard to pick up anybody in here. 722 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:02,830 * 723 00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:04,798 - The stadium wasn't full tonight, 724 00:35:04,836 --> 00:35:07,666 but it would have been back in 1963, 725 00:35:07,706 --> 00:35:10,776 and surveillance would have been even more challenging. 726 00:35:10,809 --> 00:35:14,209 The result of this operation has a huge impact on this case. 727 00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:15,746 * 728 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:18,651 In my mind, it proves that Oswald 729 00:35:18,684 --> 00:35:21,654 could have met with the Russians undetected. 730 00:35:21,687 --> 00:35:23,517 But this is just the beginning. 731 00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:26,725 We need to dig back in the files and find the smoking gun. 732 00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:38,704 Question is, if he did go to the stadium 733 00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:40,567 to meet somebody, who was it? 734 00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:44,176 - [silently] - What do we have here? 735 00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:48,850 Oswald... put the dates in there. 736 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,250 Do you see any name that pops up 737 00:35:51,283 --> 00:35:55,693 from the Warren Commission records? 738 00:35:55,721 --> 00:36:00,291 There we go, Mexico City, Oswald meeting Soviet Union. 739 00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,386 You've got a letter from Lee Harvey Oswald 740 00:36:02,428 --> 00:36:05,358 to Russian embassy in Washington, D.C. 741 00:36:05,397 --> 00:36:08,627 "This is to inform you of recent events since my meeting with 742 00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:11,267 "Comrade Kostin in the embassy 743 00:36:11,303 --> 00:36:13,743 of the Soviet Union in Mexico City." 744 00:36:13,772 --> 00:36:14,812 - Who's Kostin? 745 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,410 - I don't know. 746 00:36:16,442 --> 00:36:19,352 When I used to meet walk-ins in embassies, 747 00:36:19,378 --> 00:36:21,248 I never gave them my true name. 748 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,620 Let's strip all the parameters out, 749 00:36:23,649 --> 00:36:27,949 except Kostin, and let's just see if there's 750 00:36:27,986 --> 00:36:31,756 a Russian in Mexico City with a variation of Kostin. 751 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:34,190 - Let's see what we've got. Here we go. 752 00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:39,468 - Um...what do we have here? 753 00:36:39,498 --> 00:36:41,298 Look at this. 754 00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:44,273 "Information developed by CIA on activity 755 00:36:44,303 --> 00:36:47,813 "of Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City. 756 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:52,279 "There is no official of the Soviet embassy in Mexico City 757 00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:57,251 with a name resembling Kostin, other than Consul Kostikov." 758 00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:02,718 "There is firm evidence for the conclusion that Kostikov 759 00:37:02,754 --> 00:37:07,594 is a Soviet State Security officer, KGB." 760 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,256 Change the search, Kostikov. 761 00:37:09,295 --> 00:37:12,025 [tense music] 762 00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:15,373 * 763 00:37:15,401 --> 00:37:18,041 Okay, here we go. "Contact of Lee Harvey Oswald 764 00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:20,909 "with a member of the Soviet KGB. 765 00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:24,579 "Kostikov is an identified KGB officer. 766 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:27,510 "He was a case officer in an operation 767 00:37:27,546 --> 00:37:32,576 "which is evidently sponsored by the KGB's 13th Department, 768 00:37:32,618 --> 00:37:36,388 responsible for sabotage and assassination." 769 00:37:36,422 --> 00:37:38,922 - I mean, I don't know how much clearer it gets than that. 770 00:37:38,957 --> 00:37:43,357 - I've been entrenched in the JFK assassination for decades, 771 00:37:43,395 --> 00:37:46,795 and I've learned not to come to conclusions too quickly. 772 00:37:46,832 --> 00:37:50,842 But the fact that the head of the KGB's assassination squad 773 00:37:50,869 --> 00:37:54,439 was in Mexico City at the same time as Oswald 774 00:37:54,473 --> 00:37:56,843 is something that I have to take seriously. 775 00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:58,335 I don't believe that's a coincidence. 776 00:38:06,017 --> 00:38:10,957 - What are the chances of Oswald going to Mexico City, 777 00:38:10,989 --> 00:38:14,489 getting to see the KGB, which is not an easy thing to do, 778 00:38:14,526 --> 00:38:17,396 and then ending up with the guy in charge 779 00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:20,569 of assassinations for North America? 780 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,899 This is one of these coincidences 781 00:38:22,934 --> 00:38:26,374 that I don't think is a coincidence. 782 00:38:26,405 --> 00:38:28,665 narrator: Department 13 was reputed to be 783 00:38:28,707 --> 00:38:32,077 the Soviet KGB's assassination squad. 784 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:35,950 Reportedly handling operations known as "liquid affairs," 785 00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:38,881 the department utilized untraceable poisons, 786 00:38:38,917 --> 00:38:43,417 car bombings, and abductions to achieve their goals. 787 00:38:43,455 --> 00:38:46,455 Valery Kostikov publicly worked as a diplomat 788 00:38:46,492 --> 00:38:48,892 at the Soviet embassy in Mexico City. 789 00:38:48,927 --> 00:38:51,357 But CIA documents reveal 790 00:38:51,397 --> 00:38:56,397 he also covertly headed this notorious section of the KGB. 791 00:38:56,435 --> 00:38:58,735 - What we don't have is an explanation 792 00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:01,870 of why Kostikov agreed to meet with Oswald. 793 00:39:01,907 --> 00:39:06,447 Why did the CIA not reveal this to the Warren Commission? 794 00:39:06,478 --> 00:39:09,478 This is either colossal incompetence 795 00:39:09,515 --> 00:39:12,515 or an organized cover-up. 796 00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:14,521 This whole thing is very suspect. 797 00:39:14,553 --> 00:39:16,563 There's some sort of relationship 798 00:39:16,588 --> 00:39:19,988 which was established from Oswald's time in Moscow. 799 00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:22,155 I want to find out what that relationship is. 800 00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:24,603 And that's why I need to get to Moscow 801 00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:26,630 to get their version of events. 802 00:39:26,665 --> 00:39:30,495 This is evidence like we've never seen before. 803 00:39:30,536 --> 00:39:33,066 Wars have been started with less evidence. 804 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:37,844 Somebody in Russia knows exactly what Oswald's connections 805 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,076 with the KGB were. 806 00:39:43,114 --> 00:39:46,124 narrator: This season on "Tracking Oswald"... 807 00:39:46,151 --> 00:39:48,721 - It was a strategy of Oswald. 808 00:39:48,754 --> 00:39:51,024 - The Warren Commission never came to Russia 809 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:53,526 to investigate this for themselves. 810 00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:59,029 - My first meeting with him was 27 of September. 811 00:39:59,064 --> 00:40:02,734 - Two months before he assassinated Kennedy. 812 00:40:02,768 --> 00:40:04,138 We just want to come in and talk for a few minutes. 813 00:40:05,937 --> 00:40:07,467 - Shooter ready. 814 00:40:07,506 --> 00:40:08,536 - Send it. 815 00:40:08,574 --> 00:40:09,914 [gunshot] 816 00:40:09,941 --> 00:40:12,181 - Sometimes clues are left behind. 817 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:14,680 Most people don't know he tried to commit suicide. 818 00:40:14,713 --> 00:40:17,483 This is the first time you've ever spoken on camera? 819 00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:23,488 - This is all being covertly done right in our backyard. 820 00:40:23,522 --> 00:40:24,992 That's pretty shocking. 821 00:40:25,023 --> 00:40:27,133 People were out here training. 822 00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:29,088 - The pieces are starting to come together. 823 00:40:29,127 --> 00:40:31,797 - Every piece of evidence we've been following has led to this. 824 00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:35,100 - Five minutes down the road is a sleeper cell. 825 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:36,973 He had accomplices. 826 00:40:37,002 --> 00:40:39,142 [dramatic music] 827 00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:42,110 - Sometimes you can be eaten by your 828 00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:44,140 own monster that you created. 829 00:40:44,175 --> 00:40:47,775 - Oswald headed out saying, "I'm going to kill Kennedy for this." 830 00:40:47,813 --> 00:40:51,483 This memo is signed by J. Edgar Hoover. 831 00:40:51,517 --> 00:40:53,177 Hoover is saying, "I believe this." 832 00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:55,788 This document could finally reveal 833 00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:58,221 Oswald's motive for the assassination 834 00:40:58,256 --> 00:40:59,986 of John F. Kennedy. 835 00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:01,155 - Holy [bleep]. 61959

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