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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,066 --> 00:00:16,066 ♪♪ 2 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:18,480 Williams: The overriding fear was that visiting the park 3 00:00:19,016 --> 00:00:21,076 was a dangerous thing to do. 4 00:00:21,116 --> 00:00:24,426 What those crimes showed us was that bad things can happen 5 00:00:24,466 --> 00:00:26,446 in a place you feel the most safe. 6 00:00:26,483 --> 00:00:32,183 We have amazing, beautiful scenery and clean air and trees 7 00:00:32,216 --> 00:00:36,246 and, above all, we have safety. 8 00:00:36,283 --> 00:00:38,033 Why here? 9 00:00:38,066 --> 00:00:40,226 Why would you do this in this community? 10 00:00:40,266 --> 00:00:55,226 ♪♪ 11 00:00:55,266 --> 00:00:56,466 Hello and welcome to "How It Really Happened." 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,130 I'm Hill Harper. 13 00:00:58,166 --> 00:01:00,066 There are few pleasures in life more breathtaking 14 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:02,420 than the wonders of nature's raw power and beauty. 15 00:01:02,450 --> 00:01:05,130 But in 1999, the vicious sexual assault 16 00:01:05,166 --> 00:01:07,476 and murders of four innocent and vibrant women 17 00:01:08,016 --> 00:01:10,446 enjoying the legendary landscape of Yosemite National Park 18 00:01:10,483 --> 00:01:14,203 cut deeply into the conscience of a nation and the world. 19 00:01:14,233 --> 00:01:18,023 After a five-month FBI investigation of dead-end leads, 20 00:01:18,050 --> 00:01:20,330 suddenly, there's an all-out manhunt. 21 00:01:20,366 --> 00:01:23,166 Agents now have a new prime suspect, 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,030 one who's been hiding in plain sight all along. 23 00:01:26,066 --> 00:01:28,016 Could this so-called "cooperative, nice guy" 24 00:01:28,050 --> 00:01:30,270 have actually been a violent killer. 25 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:33,020 This is part 2 of "The Yosemite Murders," 26 00:01:33,050 --> 00:01:34,420 and this is how it really happened. 27 00:01:34,450 --> 00:01:45,030 ♪♪ 28 00:01:45,066 --> 00:01:47,416 On February 15, 1999, 29 00:01:47,450 --> 00:01:50,130 Carole Sund from Eureka, California, 30 00:01:50,166 --> 00:01:52,166 and her daughter, Juli, age 15, 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,020 and Juli's friend, Silvina Pelosso, 32 00:01:55,050 --> 00:01:57,430 who was 16 and visiting from Argentina, 33 00:01:57,466 --> 00:02:01,316 went missing from the area around Yosemite National Park. 34 00:02:04,233 --> 00:02:06,133 King: This extraordinary missing-persons case 35 00:02:06,166 --> 00:02:08,266 has captured the attention of not only of the United States 36 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:12,120 but spread around the world. 37 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:13,250 Hanley: Carole wanted to take Silvina 38 00:02:13,283 --> 00:02:16,353 to one of the most beautiful places in the world. 39 00:02:16,383 --> 00:02:20,023 Jordan: They were having the time of their lives seeing Yosemite, 40 00:02:20,050 --> 00:02:21,120 and at the end of the day, 41 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:22,330 they went back to where they were staying, 42 00:02:22,366 --> 00:02:23,466 at the Cedar Lodge. 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,470 It's extremely remote. 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,370 There is no cell service, and there is no traffic. 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,420 The cedar lodge was the last place that they were seen. 46 00:02:34,450 --> 00:02:38,070 These women seem to have completely vanished 47 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:39,350 from the face of the Earth. 48 00:02:39,383 --> 00:02:41,433 James Maddock, you're the FBI special agent. 49 00:02:41,466 --> 00:02:43,376 Anything new you can report? 50 00:02:43,416 --> 00:02:45,176 We're really no further down the road 51 00:02:45,216 --> 00:02:47,176 in making a conclusive determination 52 00:02:47,216 --> 00:02:51,026 about what happened to the missing people. 53 00:02:51,066 --> 00:02:55,176 The first thing we thought was that they had had an accident 54 00:02:55,216 --> 00:02:57,396 and the car had gone into the river. 55 00:02:57,433 --> 00:03:00,323 Gagliano: As hopes for finding the women alive began to fade, 56 00:03:00,350 --> 00:03:04,270 the accident theory gave way to the likelihood of foul play, 57 00:03:04,300 --> 00:03:06,250 and an FBI task force was created 58 00:03:06,283 --> 00:03:08,303 to look into the disappearances. 59 00:03:08,333 --> 00:03:11,003 They basically retrace everything, 60 00:03:11,033 --> 00:03:12,323 starting at the Cedar Lodge, 61 00:03:12,350 --> 00:03:17,050 because that was the last place that the three had been seen. 62 00:03:17,083 --> 00:03:19,133 They interview the employees. 63 00:03:19,166 --> 00:03:22,266 They interview Cary Stayner, who's the maintenance guy there. 64 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:23,430 The guy next door, 65 00:03:23,466 --> 00:03:29,076 just completely calm, collected, affable, easygoing. 66 00:03:29,116 --> 00:03:31,476 Jackson: Mary Ellen Geist, a KGO Radio reporter 67 00:03:32,016 --> 00:03:34,016 covering the Sund-Pelosso case, 68 00:03:34,050 --> 00:03:36,320 met Cary Stayner in a chance encounter 69 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:38,400 at the Cedar Lodge hot tub. 70 00:03:38,433 --> 00:03:42,153 I said, "Are you related in any way to Steven Stayner?" 71 00:03:42,183 --> 00:03:45,033 Gagliano: The infamous Steven Stayner kidnapping, child-abuse, 72 00:03:45,066 --> 00:03:47,426 and rescue story had consumed the entire nation, 73 00:03:47,466 --> 00:03:50,276 beginning back in 1972. 74 00:03:50,316 --> 00:03:52,476 And he said "Yes, he was my brother." 75 00:03:53,016 --> 00:03:56,326 I remember I said, "Oh, my God. I covered that story." 76 00:03:56,366 --> 00:03:59,066 And he said, "It messed up our whole family. 77 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:01,030 It messed up all of us." 78 00:04:01,066 --> 00:04:03,126 And he seemed so evolved. 79 00:04:03,166 --> 00:04:05,096 It's as if he spoke in a way like someone 80 00:04:05,133 --> 00:04:07,083 who's had a lot of therapy. 81 00:04:07,116 --> 00:04:08,366 He's the one that actually shows 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,130 the FBI the different rooms in the hotel. 83 00:04:12,166 --> 00:04:15,226 He shows them the room where the girls were staying, 84 00:04:15,266 --> 00:04:17,216 in room 509. 85 00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:20,130 He's actually helping with the investigation. 86 00:04:20,166 --> 00:04:24,096 Jordan: The idea that the brother of the very famous 87 00:04:24,133 --> 00:04:26,403 Steven Stayner had actually morphed 88 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:32,203 into a violent predator himself was just unimaginable. 89 00:04:34,266 --> 00:04:39,096 Carole Sund's credit card surfaces in Modesto. 90 00:04:39,133 --> 00:04:40,403 And one of the theories was, 91 00:04:40,433 --> 00:04:42,453 all three of them were kidnapped. 92 00:04:42,483 --> 00:04:45,453 Why would this red Pontiac absolutely vanish 93 00:04:45,483 --> 00:04:47,103 along with the girls? 94 00:04:47,133 --> 00:04:49,233 They had arrested two men. 95 00:04:49,266 --> 00:04:51,996 Rinek: They are great suspects. 96 00:04:52,033 --> 00:04:55,453 Hanley: Rufus Dykes was kind of a low-level ex-con. 97 00:04:55,483 --> 00:04:57,483 Rufus has a half-brother, Mick Larwick. 98 00:04:58,016 --> 00:05:00,126 They think maybe they were working together. 99 00:05:02,216 --> 00:05:06,246 A few days after Larwick and Dykes are in custody... 100 00:05:06,283 --> 00:05:08,323 We believe we have recovered the car. 101 00:05:10,350 --> 00:05:13,070 ...in the back of the car 102 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:16,400 were the bodies of Carole Sund and Silvina Pelosso. 103 00:05:16,433 --> 00:05:21,183 ♪♪ 104 00:05:21,216 --> 00:05:25,266 Jens: As a father, I feel terrible. 105 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:27,130 I'm supposed to die. 106 00:05:27,166 --> 00:05:28,366 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 107 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,080 [Sobbing ] Excuse me. 108 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:36,370 The search is on for Juli, and then... 109 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,270 Hanley: They did find her body. 110 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:47,380 Her throat is slit from one side all the way to the other. 111 00:05:47,416 --> 00:05:52,366 Eugene "Rufus" Dykes is interviewed by an FBI agent. 112 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,430 He admitted involvement in the missing three women 113 00:05:56,466 --> 00:05:58,296 from Yosemite. 114 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:04,423 Rinek: The things that Dykes said were then accepted as a confession. 115 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:07,180 And the FBI actually made a statement at that point 116 00:06:07,216 --> 00:06:09,216 that they felt they had arrested the guys 117 00:06:09,250 --> 00:06:11,380 who had done something to these women. 118 00:06:11,416 --> 00:06:13,226 Hanley: They told the public they were safe. 119 00:06:13,266 --> 00:06:16,996 So the feeling was that these guys did do it. 120 00:06:17,033 --> 00:06:20,253 And that, of course, was absolutely wrong. 121 00:06:20,283 --> 00:06:25,033 ♪♪ 122 00:06:25,066 --> 00:06:28,276 A few months later, the body of Joie Armstrong 123 00:06:28,316 --> 00:06:32,326 is found in the Yosemite National Park, 124 00:06:32,366 --> 00:06:38,246 and that changes everything all over again. 125 00:06:38,283 --> 00:06:40,103 Armstrong: I get a knock on the door. 126 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:42,233 Two FBI agents -- 127 00:06:42,266 --> 00:06:44,366 "We found a body." 128 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,420 I said, "Does the body have red hair?" 129 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:50,070 And they said, "We don't know." 130 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:56,320 ♪♪ 131 00:06:56,350 --> 00:07:01,380 If that wasn't a sledgehammer in the gut. 132 00:07:01,416 --> 00:07:03,216 I remember when we didn't know how this had happened 133 00:07:03,250 --> 00:07:05,080 and we were scared, wondering, 134 00:07:05,116 --> 00:07:07,146 "Is the guy that did this right over there?" 135 00:07:07,183 --> 00:07:09,333 This is not just some isolated event. 136 00:07:09,366 --> 00:07:11,416 This is a part of a bigger problem. 137 00:07:13,450 --> 00:07:17,380 A distinctive car had been spotted near Joie's cabin. 138 00:07:17,416 --> 00:07:19,196 Rowlands: It's powder blue and white, 139 00:07:19,233 --> 00:07:22,383 and a witness says they saw it driving in the area. 140 00:07:22,416 --> 00:07:24,226 And people know it. 141 00:07:24,266 --> 00:07:26,146 It's Cary Stayner. 142 00:07:26,183 --> 00:07:29,403 He denied being near there. 143 00:07:29,433 --> 00:07:33,133 Rowlands: But they also notice that he has a backpack on, 144 00:07:33,166 --> 00:07:35,046 and at this point, 145 00:07:35,083 --> 00:07:38,033 Joie Armstrong's head has not been found. 146 00:07:38,066 --> 00:07:41,376 And a real fear for these rangers is 147 00:07:41,416 --> 00:07:44,276 "Is her head in that backpack?" 148 00:07:44,316 --> 00:07:46,026 He let us search the vehicle, 149 00:07:46,066 --> 00:07:48,066 but he wouldn't let us look in the backpack. 150 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:50,470 I'm like, "Yeah, we've got to take the backpack." 151 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,470 But I told him that I wasn't gonna open it 152 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,270 until we got a warrant to open it. 153 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:57,280 Turns out that inside that backpack 154 00:07:57,316 --> 00:08:00,176 was some suntan oil, 155 00:08:00,216 --> 00:08:03,446 some sunflower seeds, and a book. 156 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:07,053 Rinek: It was a novel by a horror/fantasy author 157 00:08:07,083 --> 00:08:10,333 named John Saul about two brothers, 158 00:08:10,366 --> 00:08:13,316 one of whom was a stone-cold killer, 159 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:20,070 who tried to pin a number of gruesome murders on his brother. 160 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:22,000 Rowlands: There was no head. 161 00:08:22,033 --> 00:08:25,183 As crime-scene investigators continue to process the area 162 00:08:25,216 --> 00:08:27,346 in and around Joie's house, 163 00:08:27,383 --> 00:08:30,383 they eventually do find her head downstream 164 00:08:30,416 --> 00:08:33,416 from where they found her body. 165 00:08:33,450 --> 00:08:36,330 Schwartz: But in the process, we were able to look at the tires 166 00:08:36,366 --> 00:08:39,166 and match those tire tracks to the up on scene. 167 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,200 And found a perfect match. 168 00:08:41,233 --> 00:08:45,233 And that night, he sold all his belongings. 169 00:08:45,266 --> 00:08:48,046 And he didn't show up for work the next day. 170 00:08:48,083 --> 00:08:52,383 ♪♪ 171 00:08:52,416 --> 00:08:55,376 Now there's an all-out search for Cary Stayner. 172 00:08:55,416 --> 00:08:59,266 The FBI issues a press release to the media. 173 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:04,130 And a woman who sees the television report 174 00:09:04,166 --> 00:09:08,276 is staying at a nudist colony outside of Sacramento. 175 00:09:08,316 --> 00:09:14,396 So, she calls the FBI and says, "I know where this guy is." 176 00:09:14,433 --> 00:09:16,433 Gagliano: The FBI quickly assembles a team 177 00:09:16,466 --> 00:09:20,096 to head to the Laguna del Sol nudist resort. 178 00:09:20,133 --> 00:09:23,073 One of those agents is Jeff Rinek. 179 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:26,220 Rinek: They tell me that I was picking up some guy 180 00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:28,150 who was possibly running 181 00:09:28,183 --> 00:09:31,033 and that Laguna del Sol was a nudist colony. 182 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,370 ♪♪ 183 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,180 Rinek and a team of agents and officers moved in quickly 184 00:09:42,216 --> 00:09:46,016 and approached Cary Stayner at the nudist resort. 185 00:09:46,050 --> 00:09:49,120 Their job was really just to bring him in for questioning. 186 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:53,200 I think Stayner sees them and kind of knows. 187 00:09:55,250 --> 00:10:00,030 He stood up and put his hands on his head. 188 00:10:00,066 --> 00:10:02,126 And during the drive back to headquarters, 189 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:07,066 Agent Rinek used his disarming nature to draw Cary Stayner out. 190 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:09,300 One of the first things Rinek says to him is -- 191 00:10:09,333 --> 00:10:14,173 Rinek: He looked exactly like a movie character called Billy Jack. 192 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,150 There's a scene in the movie... 193 00:10:16,183 --> 00:10:17,183 I'm gonna whop you. 194 00:10:17,216 --> 00:10:19,196 ...where Billy Jack does a roundhouse kick 195 00:10:19,233 --> 00:10:21,073 and knocks the guy down. 196 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:22,270 It was beautiful. 197 00:10:24,483 --> 00:10:26,483 So, I said, you know, "Did you ever see 'Billy Jack'?" 198 00:10:27,016 --> 00:10:29,076 He goes, "Nah." 199 00:10:29,116 --> 00:10:32,026 The conversation takes a more personal turn 200 00:10:32,066 --> 00:10:36,176 to the tragic 1972 sex abuse and kidnapping 201 00:10:36,216 --> 00:10:38,416 of Cary's little brother. 202 00:10:38,450 --> 00:10:42,370 Cary Stayner says he was upset that Steven's kidnapper, 203 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,030 Kenneth Parnell, only got seven years in prison 204 00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:49,016 and how unfair that was. 205 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:52,070 Rinek: Cary and I talked about closure in the car ride 206 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,100 as it related to his brother, Steven. 207 00:10:55,133 --> 00:10:56,403 There are things that happen in life 208 00:10:56,433 --> 00:10:59,353 that will never, ever go away. 209 00:10:59,383 --> 00:11:05,433 The best we can hope for is that we can learn to live with it. 210 00:11:05,466 --> 00:11:09,346 As we were pulling in the impound for the office, 211 00:11:09,383 --> 00:11:12,383 he looks at me and he recites verbatim 212 00:11:12,416 --> 00:11:15,366 those words from "Billy Jack" and started laughing. 213 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,250 He knew that I knew, and I knew that he knew. 214 00:11:18,283 --> 00:11:19,323 He had seen it. 215 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:21,470 He knew he looked exactly like the guy. 216 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,330 It probably made Cary feel good, like he's the star. 217 00:11:26,366 --> 00:11:29,176 Rowlands: And that relationship would end up 218 00:11:29,216 --> 00:11:32,226 changing this entire investigation. 219 00:11:34,233 --> 00:11:36,023 After nearly five months, 220 00:11:36,050 --> 00:11:38,270 the FBI task force now had evidence 221 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:45,070 connecting Cary Stayner to the murder of Joie Armstrong. 222 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:47,450 Rinek: We had him sit down in an interview room. 223 00:11:47,483 --> 00:11:51,433 He wasn't under arrest, and he could leave. 224 00:11:51,466 --> 00:11:53,216 We figured the best thing to do 225 00:11:53,250 --> 00:11:56,070 would be to call in the polygraph examiner, 226 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:58,280 because as part of a polygraph examination, 227 00:11:58,316 --> 00:12:00,276 he's got to do an interview. 228 00:12:00,316 --> 00:12:03,096 Gagliano: FBI Special Agent Rinek had already established 229 00:12:03,133 --> 00:12:05,253 a crucial bond with Cary Stayner, 230 00:12:05,283 --> 00:12:07,073 and he was assigned to interview him. 231 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:09,320 First thing is, they order a pizza. 232 00:12:09,350 --> 00:12:13,280 Gagliano: A lot of times for people that are being questioned by the FBI, 233 00:12:13,316 --> 00:12:15,026 they think all the worst things, 234 00:12:15,066 --> 00:12:17,996 that a confession is gonna be beaten out of them. 235 00:12:18,033 --> 00:12:20,223 That's not how we do business. 236 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:22,280 Rinek: "Hey, the pizza's here. The polygrapher is here. 237 00:12:22,316 --> 00:12:24,216 What do you want to do first?" 238 00:12:24,250 --> 00:12:28,280 And Cary looks at me and says, "Let's skip the polygraph. 239 00:12:28,316 --> 00:12:30,126 I'd like to talk alone." 240 00:12:32,183 --> 00:12:35,053 And he says, "You know, Jeff, 241 00:12:35,083 --> 00:12:39,053 I've done some really bad things." 242 00:12:39,083 --> 00:12:41,333 What could be coming? 243 00:12:41,366 --> 00:12:46,116 And then he said, "I can give you closure on this and more." 244 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:50,420 I said, "You mean the three women from the Cedar Lodge?" 245 00:12:50,450 --> 00:12:54,280 And he silently nods. 246 00:12:54,316 --> 00:12:56,996 Hanley: He tells Rinek, "Yeah, I'll talk to you, 247 00:12:57,033 --> 00:13:00,003 but there's a few things I want first." 248 00:13:00,033 --> 00:13:01,353 Rowlands: Cary Stayner basically says, 249 00:13:01,383 --> 00:13:03,473 "I'll tell you what you want to know 250 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:10,100 if you give me pornographic images of children." 251 00:13:10,133 --> 00:13:14,333 Now you've got him, because even though it's inconceivable 252 00:13:14,366 --> 00:13:16,466 that you're going to be sharing child pornography 253 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,330 with this depraved reprobate, 254 00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:23,396 he's willing to negotiate to tell you something. 255 00:13:23,433 --> 00:13:25,273 Now it's just a delicate dance 256 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:27,470 of changing his mind about what he needs -- 257 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,330 "How about if I get you a pepperoni pizza and a Coke?" 258 00:13:30,366 --> 00:13:34,246 -- and trying to work it that way. 259 00:13:34,283 --> 00:13:37,203 And as he's finishing up his pizza, he says, 260 00:13:37,233 --> 00:13:42,103 "This is gonna be my last meal as a free man." 261 00:13:42,133 --> 00:13:45,423 And at that point on, the confession starts. 262 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:48,080 Rinek wasn't taking any chances. 263 00:13:48,116 --> 00:13:51,276 Cary Stayner's admissions of guilt were being recorded. 264 00:14:06,383 --> 00:14:10,153 I thought it was strange when he mentioned Bigfoot, 265 00:14:10,183 --> 00:14:13,323 but I believe that Cary believes he saw Bigfoot. 266 00:15:03,133 --> 00:15:05,373 Jordan: In my mind, Bigfoot is a metaphor 267 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,050 for what other serial killers call the dark side, 268 00:15:09,083 --> 00:15:13,233 which is capable of unspeakable violence. 269 00:15:28,166 --> 00:15:31,466 Cary finally begins to reveal the horrifying truth 270 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,030 of what he had done. 271 00:15:57,433 --> 00:16:00,003 Only a person of incredible physical and mental strength 272 00:16:00,033 --> 00:16:01,323 could have done what she did. 273 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,280 When I heard Cary Stayner describing what he had done, 274 00:17:04,316 --> 00:17:09,446 it was just blood-curdling, shocking, frightening. 275 00:17:09,483 --> 00:17:13,203 And I thought nobody, except for his victims, 276 00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:18,083 saw this dark, dark evil side of Cary Stayner. 277 00:17:18,116 --> 00:17:21,226 And when we finished the discussion 278 00:17:21,266 --> 00:17:23,326 of his murder of Joie, 279 00:17:23,366 --> 00:17:29,016 he had to decide whether he was going to discuss Sund/Pelosso. 280 00:17:36,383 --> 00:17:38,323 Geist: My producer called me and said, 281 00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:41,080 "I've got a room for you at the Cedar Lodge." 282 00:17:41,116 --> 00:17:43,466 And they called it the 500 West section. 283 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,480 And I pull up, and I'm the only car there. 284 00:17:47,016 --> 00:17:48,476 And I sort of thought that was weird 285 00:17:49,016 --> 00:17:52,066 that I was staying there alone, but I saw a pool and a hot tub. 286 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:53,350 And I'm like, "Yes! This is great. 287 00:17:53,383 --> 00:17:55,323 I've had a long day." 288 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:59,020 This man comes in, and he gets into the hot tub. 289 00:17:59,050 --> 00:18:02,250 I think he said right away, "Hi. My name is Cary Stayner." 290 00:18:02,283 --> 00:18:04,273 And then he asked me questions. 291 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:05,420 We talked a little bit more. 292 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:07,350 He seemed quite nice. 293 00:18:07,383 --> 00:18:09,333 Gagliano: But when Mary Ellen changed the subject 294 00:18:09,366 --> 00:18:12,216 to the ongoing Sund/Pelosso case -- 295 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:14,230 I said, "What's your theory 296 00:18:14,266 --> 00:18:16,426 about what happened to these women?" 297 00:18:16,466 --> 00:18:20,376 Cary Stayner's demeanor suddenly turned dark and dangerous. 298 00:18:20,416 --> 00:18:22,096 He turned to me like this, 299 00:18:22,133 --> 00:18:25,423 and his eyes just went black and flat. 300 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:28,320 That was like an animal was gonna attack. 301 00:18:28,350 --> 00:18:32,430 I just felt like I saw a moment of evil. 302 00:18:32,466 --> 00:18:36,046 I felt in danger, and I ran, 303 00:18:36,083 --> 00:18:39,173 and I put the furniture in front of the door, 304 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,200 and I just followed my instincts. 305 00:18:42,233 --> 00:18:44,303 Rinek: When you work homicides, 306 00:18:44,333 --> 00:18:47,353 I always look in the face of the killer 307 00:18:47,383 --> 00:18:49,353 and I think to myself, 308 00:18:49,383 --> 00:18:53,223 "That's the last thing our victim saw." 309 00:18:53,250 --> 00:18:56,100 Geist: I think about that look on Cary Stayner's face. 310 00:18:56,133 --> 00:18:58,383 I was in the same situation as his victims. 311 00:18:58,416 --> 00:19:01,266 I was alone with this guy who, when he realizes 312 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:05,270 he's alone with women, becomes a predator. 313 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:08,330 Cary said that he had been fighting the urge 314 00:19:08,366 --> 00:19:11,096 to kill women since he was a boy 315 00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:14,183 sitting in the parking lot of the grocery store 316 00:19:14,216 --> 00:19:16,466 while his mom was in grocery shopping. 317 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,080 He would look in through the big planes of glass 318 00:19:19,116 --> 00:19:22,216 and fantasize about tying up the female checkers. 319 00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:26,370 Cary says he envisioned slaughtering them en masse. 320 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,430 Cary Stayner's disturbing boyhood fantasies began 321 00:19:29,466 --> 00:19:33,216 to mutate into visions of rape and murder. 322 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:39,430 Dr. Dietz: He had very early onset of deviant sexual fantasies. 323 00:19:39,466 --> 00:19:46,166 His interest in being able to tie up young girls, 324 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,450 put them in a bunker, and do what he wants with them 325 00:19:48,483 --> 00:19:54,223 started before his brother disappeared. 326 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:56,100 There is some indication 327 00:19:56,133 --> 00:20:00,153 that Stayner had been sexually abused in childhood. 328 00:20:00,183 --> 00:20:02,433 He said, "I've never told anybody before, 329 00:20:02,466 --> 00:20:05,276 but my uncle molested me." 330 00:20:05,316 --> 00:20:08,296 I believe that what he was doing was sexually oriented 331 00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:10,233 because of the way he described 332 00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:13,296 that he had never had a normal relationship with a woman. 333 00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:19,183 ♪♪ 334 00:20:24,283 --> 00:20:25,423 Rowlands: And he peered into the window, 335 00:20:25,450 --> 00:20:28,370 and that's when he noticed Carole Sund, Juli Sund, 336 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,220 and Silvina inside the room of 509. 337 00:20:40,033 --> 00:20:42,153 Rowlands: He grabbed his murder kit, as he called it -- 338 00:20:42,183 --> 00:20:45,283 his backpack with his gun and the rope and the duct tape. 339 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,150 Jordan: Cary talked through the door to Carole Sund, 340 00:20:53,183 --> 00:20:55,003 who was very suspicious. 341 00:20:55,033 --> 00:20:57,473 He said, "There's a leak in the room above your room, 342 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,130 and it's leaking water, and I need to come in and check it." 343 00:21:01,166 --> 00:21:03,126 Carole Sund actually resisted and said, 344 00:21:03,166 --> 00:21:04,416 "No, you're not coming in." 345 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:09,070 And he insisted, "Oh, call the front desk if you want." 346 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:12,070 Something to re-assure her that it was okay. 347 00:21:24,083 --> 00:21:29,283 Jordan: He takes Juli and Silvina and puts them in the bathroom. 348 00:21:29,316 --> 00:21:33,376 And he approaches Carole Sund, who is laying bound on the bed. 349 00:21:33,416 --> 00:21:39,146 Silently, he strangles this mother with a rope from his kit. 350 00:21:39,183 --> 00:21:43,303 He was delivering these gory details with no emotion. 351 00:21:47,050 --> 00:21:51,020 Jordan: And he takes Juli Sund and moves her into the unit next door, 352 00:21:51,050 --> 00:21:55,070 using the master key from his key ring. 353 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:57,350 He then sexually assaulted her. 354 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:13,170 Jordan: He kills Silvina in the same way 355 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,420 that he killed Carole Sund, quietly strangling her, 356 00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:20,300 while Juli stays in the unit next door. 357 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:27,330 Right next to Carole Sund. 358 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,200 She didn't know her mom and friend were already dead. 359 00:22:43,233 --> 00:22:46,223 Carole and Silvina are in the trunk of the vehicle. 360 00:22:50,050 --> 00:22:54,220 He parks, comes around to the passenger seat. 361 00:22:59,150 --> 00:23:01,000 And he said, "You know, I carried her like this, 362 00:23:01,033 --> 00:23:03,423 like a husband carries a wife." 363 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:08,000 And he carried her about 50 yards into the hillside, 364 00:23:08,033 --> 00:23:11,353 and he put Juli on the pink blanket, totally freezing. 365 00:23:11,383 --> 00:23:13,433 And he's telling her he loves her. 366 00:23:13,466 --> 00:23:17,396 Jordan: Part of this fantasy is believing that Juli loves 367 00:23:17,433 --> 00:23:20,333 him and that he loves her. 368 00:23:33,083 --> 00:23:36,383 Hanley: He kept driving all the way into the forest 369 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:40,276 and just hoofed it and walked back to a town. 370 00:23:46,166 --> 00:23:50,476 He used Carole's $200 to get back to Yosemite Lodge. 371 00:23:51,016 --> 00:23:52,296 Handed me the cash up front 372 00:23:52,333 --> 00:23:54,403 and told me where he wanted to go. 373 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:57,083 The driver of that cab, Jenny Paul, 374 00:23:57,116 --> 00:24:00,366 remembers a very unusual conversation. 375 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,230 When he asked me if I believed in Bigfoot, 376 00:24:03,266 --> 00:24:04,446 I was kind of shocked 377 00:24:04,483 --> 00:24:08,453 that he would ask me something like that. 378 00:24:08,483 --> 00:24:13,323 That was the ruse that he had used to engage Joie Armstrong 379 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:15,320 into conversation. 380 00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:18,480 Paul: He offered to show me where he'd seen Bigfoot 381 00:24:19,016 --> 00:24:20,396 when we got to Yosemite, 382 00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:23,183 but I just had this intuition. 383 00:24:23,216 --> 00:24:24,296 I was scared. 384 00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:27,053 I'm not gonna go somewhere I don't know. 385 00:24:42,283 --> 00:24:44,423 Cary Stayner was a clever man. 386 00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:46,170 Hanley: He watched a lot of crime shows 387 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,280 and learned throwing the wallet out might misdirect them 388 00:24:50,316 --> 00:24:55,426 and take the suspicion away from him. 389 00:25:08,150 --> 00:25:11,380 I don't get emotional over this really anymore, 390 00:25:11,416 --> 00:25:16,326 until I recently learned that Cary had his killing kit 391 00:25:16,366 --> 00:25:19,446 in that backpack right behind me the whole time. 392 00:25:19,483 --> 00:25:24,353 ♪♪ 393 00:25:27,016 --> 00:25:28,216 Welcome back to "How It Really Happened." 394 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:32,100 FBI Special Agent Jeff Rinek got Cary Stayner's full confession. 395 00:25:32,133 --> 00:25:33,403 In chilling detail, he admitted to killing 396 00:25:33,433 --> 00:25:36,033 26-year-Old naturalist Joie Armstrong 397 00:25:36,066 --> 00:25:38,066 and the triple homicide of Carole Sund, 398 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:40,430 Juli Sund, and Silvina Pelosso. 399 00:25:40,466 --> 00:25:42,396 As soon as his six-hour confession was over, 400 00:25:42,433 --> 00:25:45,323 Stayner was formally arrested and locked behind bars. 401 00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:48,230 The task force had finally gotten their man. 402 00:25:48,266 --> 00:25:50,466 But Cary Stayner's capture was a complete shock 403 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,030 to the small mountain community who knew him or knew of him. 404 00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:57,196 Was it possible their friendly cedar lodge handyman 405 00:25:57,233 --> 00:26:00,323 could really be a depraved serial killer? 406 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:06,200 ♪♪ 407 00:26:06,233 --> 00:26:10,103 The FBI claims to have linked Stayner to all four killings. 408 00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:13,253 Woman: Late last night, Federal Authorities arrested this man, 409 00:26:13,283 --> 00:26:17,403 37-year-Old Cary Stayner. 410 00:26:17,433 --> 00:26:19,353 I ran into living room, looked at the TV, 411 00:26:19,383 --> 00:26:25,273 and I'm like, "Hey, that's that guy that I drove." 412 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,180 Dr. Kidd: I knew a lot of people who had contact with him. 413 00:26:29,216 --> 00:26:32,446 This person was right under our nose this whole time. 414 00:26:32,483 --> 00:26:37,173 Nobody can believe that Cary would do anything like this. 415 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,230 Everybody thinks that he probably isn't 416 00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:40,476 the one they're looking for. 417 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:42,016 Unbelievable, you know? 418 00:26:42,050 --> 00:26:44,330 'Cause he was very friendly. 419 00:26:44,366 --> 00:26:46,446 There was nothing that ever made me 420 00:26:46,483 --> 00:26:50,153 think that he would harm anyone. 421 00:26:50,183 --> 00:26:52,253 It brought me to tears when I saw it on the TV. 422 00:26:55,066 --> 00:26:56,466 Gagliano: But the truth about Cary Stayner 423 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,400 came out in new revelations during his confession, 424 00:26:59,433 --> 00:27:03,273 appalling disclosures that the four Yosemite murder victims 425 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:06,230 were not his original targets. 426 00:27:06,266 --> 00:27:08,326 Lenna: My mom worked at the Cedar Lodge. 427 00:27:08,366 --> 00:27:11,246 She was a waitress and bartender. 428 00:27:11,283 --> 00:27:15,033 My mom seemed very happy when Cary was around. 429 00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:18,196 We knew that he was more of like a boyfriend. 430 00:27:18,233 --> 00:27:21,023 They had a really deep connection and bond. 431 00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:23,450 Jackson: To 11-year-old Lenna and her 8-year-old sister, 432 00:27:23,483 --> 00:27:26,053 Cary Stayner was like a favorite uncle 433 00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:27,433 who spoiled the kids. 434 00:27:27,466 --> 00:27:32,046 I definitely remember he would always buy us gifts. 435 00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:33,173 He bought us Beanie Babies, 436 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,480 we had an entire collection of them. 437 00:27:35,016 --> 00:27:36,466 I call that grooming. 438 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,180 I think he was grooming them. 439 00:27:39,216 --> 00:27:40,416 Every time we'd see him at the Cedar Lodge, 440 00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:42,300 he'd walk us into the gift shop, 441 00:27:42,333 --> 00:27:46,003 buy us another Beanie Baby, take us to the pool. 442 00:27:46,033 --> 00:27:48,283 So we loved him. 443 00:27:48,316 --> 00:27:51,276 As a child in 1999, Lenna was protected 444 00:27:51,316 --> 00:27:53,046 from hearing all the details 445 00:27:53,083 --> 00:27:55,173 of Cary Stayner's gruesome confession 446 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,150 to the Yosemite murders. 447 00:27:57,183 --> 00:27:59,333 But years later, as a young woman, 448 00:27:59,366 --> 00:28:01,476 Lenna learned what Cary Stayner had in mind 449 00:28:02,016 --> 00:28:03,426 for her entire family -- 450 00:28:03,466 --> 00:28:06,346 a sadistic and cold-blooded betrayal 451 00:28:06,383 --> 00:28:11,353 that would change Lenna's life forever. 452 00:28:11,383 --> 00:28:14,333 If you look at that whole confession, 453 00:28:14,366 --> 00:28:19,046 Rinek was able to peal a lid off of a Pandora's box 454 00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:21,403 that had been closed for years and years. 455 00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:27,073 And he pries it open, and all the skeletons come out. 456 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,050 He was going to murder my mom 457 00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:32,333 and then rape and murder my sister and I. 458 00:28:32,366 --> 00:28:35,116 To my knowledge, he attempted to carry out his plan 459 00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:37,270 with my family three different times. 460 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:41,230 Even Rinek was caught off guard by Cary Stayner's new admission. 461 00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:07,003 He was at our house repairing some screens for us. 462 00:29:07,033 --> 00:29:09,223 He had a murder kit, as he called it -- 463 00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:14,020 his backpack, which had a revolver, had rope, duct tape. 464 00:29:14,050 --> 00:29:16,200 Cary says that he went there 465 00:29:16,233 --> 00:29:19,423 with the intention of killing them. 466 00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:23,300 This was a fantasy that he had had for months. 467 00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:26,223 Jackson: But, suddenly, a neighbor appeared at Lenna's door, 468 00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:29,170 and that surprise visit abruptly stopped Stayner 469 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,220 from launching his murderous attack. 470 00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:37,050 So, he left there very angry. 471 00:29:37,083 --> 00:29:40,153 He says that once that plan was foiled, 472 00:29:40,183 --> 00:29:43,033 he came back to the Cedar Lodge, where he was living. 473 00:29:43,066 --> 00:29:45,116 Gagliano: His twisted fantasy had been ruined, 474 00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:50,130 but Cary Stayner was still poised to stalk and kill. 475 00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:58,400 In the course of walking off his tension 476 00:29:58,433 --> 00:30:00,053 through the parking lot, 477 00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:03,333 that's where he saw Carole and the girls. 478 00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:05,426 He was so wound up and so ready 479 00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:09,366 because Cary had built himself up to do this. 480 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,050 Lenna: And that was the night that he followed through 481 00:30:12,083 --> 00:30:13,403 with Carole, Juli, and Silvina. 482 00:30:15,433 --> 00:30:18,273 When neighbors heard of Cary Stayner's violent plan 483 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,320 for Lenna and her family, they were left in shock. 484 00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:25,300 Williams: First and foremost, horrifying to me as a mother. 485 00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:27,273 They lived very near to me. 486 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:31,320 And I felt sick to my stomach. 487 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:34,320 I pretty much lost my childhood from that moment on. 488 00:30:34,350 --> 00:30:38,100 Jackson: Since 1999, Lenna has struggled to make sense 489 00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:41,483 of Cary Stayner's traumatic betrayal of her family. 490 00:30:42,016 --> 00:30:43,446 Lenna: This person that we adored, 491 00:30:43,483 --> 00:30:46,203 who wanted to do these awful things to us, 492 00:30:46,233 --> 00:30:49,233 never even said a word to us again. 493 00:30:49,266 --> 00:30:52,266 I still have questions that are not answered. 494 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:54,220 How could you? Why would you? 495 00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:56,280 Do you feel any guilt? 496 00:30:56,316 --> 00:31:00,016 And Lenna has also felt anguish over being a survivor 497 00:31:00,050 --> 00:31:02,200 of the Cary Stayner killing spree. 498 00:31:02,233 --> 00:31:04,473 It haunted me for a long time 499 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,430 knowing that three other women lost their lives, 500 00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:12,076 when Cary had confessed to my mom, my sister, and I 501 00:31:12,116 --> 00:31:14,396 being his original intended victims. 502 00:31:14,433 --> 00:31:19,233 They're the version of me that was fatally taken away. 503 00:31:19,266 --> 00:31:22,366 ♪♪ 504 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:30,426 ♪♪ 505 00:31:30,466 --> 00:31:33,476 Jordan: Cary Stayner is technically a serial killer, 506 00:31:34,016 --> 00:31:38,316 but his first homicide was really a mass murder. 507 00:31:38,350 --> 00:31:43,000 He killed three women at once in an act of sexual predation 508 00:31:43,033 --> 00:31:46,103 that was really high-risk. 509 00:31:46,133 --> 00:31:48,433 You almost never see this 510 00:31:48,466 --> 00:31:52,446 as a first murder for a serial killer. 511 00:31:52,483 --> 00:31:54,433 Gagliano: And when Cary Stayner was confronted 512 00:31:54,466 --> 00:31:57,016 with losing control of Joie Armstrong 513 00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:59,420 as she courageously fought for her life, 514 00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:02,370 it enraged him. 515 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,230 Armstrong: And he said, "She had made me so angry, 516 00:32:06,266 --> 00:32:10,276 I just wanted to do the most heinous thing I could think of." 517 00:32:10,316 --> 00:32:12,016 And he cut her head off. 518 00:32:14,083 --> 00:32:18,033 The outcome of her fighting so hard 519 00:32:18,066 --> 00:32:20,276 was the evidence that was left. 520 00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:23,466 Law enforcement agents want to build the strongest possible 521 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,220 criminal case against Cary Stayner. 522 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:29,380 They know that his confession alone is simply not enough 523 00:32:29,416 --> 00:32:31,426 to guarantee a guilty verdict at trial. 524 00:32:31,466 --> 00:32:32,446 [Indistinct chatter 525 00:32:32,483 --> 00:32:34,273 Just because someone says something 526 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:35,430 doesn't make it true. 527 00:32:35,466 --> 00:32:38,076 You're gonna need corroboration. 528 00:32:42,416 --> 00:32:45,216 Jackson: They urgently needed to collect the physical evidence 529 00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:47,480 Cary Stayner had scattered in remote places 530 00:32:48,016 --> 00:32:50,396 throughout the Yosemite backcountry. 531 00:32:50,433 --> 00:32:54,083 Gagliano: Because only the killer would know under what tree 532 00:32:54,116 --> 00:32:55,276 the body was laid 533 00:32:55,316 --> 00:32:59,126 or what portion of the creek he laid the decapitated head in. 534 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,020 Cary Stayner agreed to fully cooperate, 535 00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:07,400 beginning with those critical items 536 00:33:07,433 --> 00:33:10,223 from Joie Armstrong's murder. 537 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:14,420 I think that FBI Agent Rinek's work was the key in all of it 538 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:16,380 to get that tour. 539 00:33:16,416 --> 00:33:20,096 Unbelievable. 540 00:33:20,133 --> 00:33:23,133 The next day, they got him out of jail. 541 00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:24,276 To here. 542 00:33:24,316 --> 00:33:30,266 Rinek: I met Cary and my partners at Joie's cabin. 543 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,150 My name is Jeff Rinek. 544 00:33:32,183 --> 00:33:34,203 I am a special agent with the FBI. 545 00:33:34,233 --> 00:33:36,273 This is Cary. 546 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,400 And Cary is going to take us to an area 547 00:33:40,433 --> 00:33:42,373 where he committed a crime, 548 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,270 and he's gonna show us what happened. 549 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,480 Dr. Kidd: Information was leaked. 550 00:33:49,016 --> 00:33:52,246 We snuck over the ridge and peeked down 551 00:33:52,283 --> 00:33:54,053 to see what was going on. 552 00:33:54,083 --> 00:33:55,403 I come in on the walkway. 553 00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:59,153 Saw a guy being walked through the crime scene by the FBI. 554 00:33:59,183 --> 00:34:00,173 Rinek: Okay. 555 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,420 And I told her to get on the bed 556 00:34:01,450 --> 00:34:04,130 with her face pointing that way. 557 00:34:04,166 --> 00:34:09,166 The first thing I asked Cary to do was to demonstrate on me 558 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,270 how he murdered Joie 559 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:15,120 to see if what he showed me would fit how she was killed. 560 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:16,300 I put my arm underneath her arm. 561 00:34:16,333 --> 00:34:17,333 Okay, so you do that. Okay. 562 00:34:17,366 --> 00:34:20,176 I just led her out of the house here. 563 00:34:20,216 --> 00:34:24,146 Rinek: Everything he said proved true. 564 00:34:26,233 --> 00:34:30,103 Then, suddenly, in a potentially devastating moment, 565 00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:33,083 the killer nearly comes fact-to-face 566 00:34:33,116 --> 00:34:36,226 with Joie Armstrong's grieving mother. 567 00:34:36,266 --> 00:34:39,226 Ironically, when we were driving out 568 00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:42,146 with Cary to start the evidence retrieval, 569 00:34:42,183 --> 00:34:45,423 we passed Leslie coming in. 570 00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:48,170 I think they realized that we were there with him, 571 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,300 so I think they kept her where she was until we left. 572 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:55,303 Luckily, she didn't know. 573 00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:59,183 On the way out of Joie's cabin, we stopped, 574 00:34:59,216 --> 00:35:04,296 and he pointed to where he had left the knife. 575 00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,233 We refer to this as a home-run case, 576 00:35:06,266 --> 00:35:11,046 because that just further incriminates him. 577 00:35:11,083 --> 00:35:13,173 With Cary Stayner still under guard, 578 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,280 agents moved on to collect the key physical evidence 579 00:35:16,316 --> 00:35:19,066 in the Sund/Pelosso triple murder. 580 00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,150 Rinek: We drove about 50 miles, 581 00:35:22,183 --> 00:35:26,123 and he points to where he threw the knife he used to kill Juli 582 00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:28,230 and the duct tape. 583 00:35:28,266 --> 00:35:31,266 They found both exactly where he said it was. 584 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,470 Jackson: The mountain of forensic evidence 585 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,020 revealed to investigators that Cary Stayner alone 586 00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:39,370 committed the depraved Yosemite murders. 587 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,050 Maddock: I previously expressed a belief that the key players 588 00:35:43,083 --> 00:35:46,433 in the Sund/Pelosso case were already in custody. 589 00:35:46,466 --> 00:35:48,476 In light of yesterday's arrest, however, 590 00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:51,446 the possible involvement of others in the murders of Carole, 591 00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:55,373 Juli, and Silvina is being re-evaluated. 592 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,120 Jackson: Afterwards, FBI inspectors determined 593 00:35:58,150 --> 00:36:01,130 that James Maddock mishandled the investigation, 594 00:36:01,166 --> 00:36:05,426 and in January 2001, he was quietly removed from his post. 595 00:36:13,016 --> 00:36:15,226 Rowlands: Cary Stayner was one step ahead of them. 596 00:36:15,266 --> 00:36:18,466 Because he was so cunning and so detached, 597 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,450 he was able to fool the FBI. 598 00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:30,170 ♪♪ 599 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,430 ♪♪ 600 00:36:33,466 --> 00:36:37,176 ♪♪ 601 00:36:37,216 --> 00:36:38,316 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 602 00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:42,250 I don't burden myself with carrying hate around. 603 00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:44,223 It doesn't fix anything. 604 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:47,030 Jackson: Leslie Armstrong did not want a future tied up 605 00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:50,326 with painful legal battles determining Cary Stayner's fate, 606 00:36:50,366 --> 00:36:54,276 and so she decided to take some control over the process. 607 00:36:54,316 --> 00:36:58,316 A simple death penalty does not mean that it's over and done. 608 00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:02,070 I asked if the Federal Government 609 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:05,130 would accept life with no chance of release, 610 00:37:05,166 --> 00:37:08,046 and I got it. 611 00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:11,003 Jackson: After pleading guilty to the murder of Joie Armstrong, 612 00:37:11,033 --> 00:37:13,323 Cary Stayner was sentenced to life in prison 613 00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:17,280 without parole on November 30, 2000. 614 00:37:17,316 --> 00:37:20,076 Stayner sobbed and turned to Joie's family 615 00:37:20,116 --> 00:37:22,416 to give an impromptu apology. 616 00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:24,320 He turned in our direction. 617 00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:26,350 He said, "I'm sorry." 618 00:37:26,383 --> 00:37:31,123 Joie's boyfriend just started wailing. 619 00:37:31,150 --> 00:37:36,170 I'd never heard a man cry like that. 620 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,480 That was heartbreaking. 621 00:37:38,016 --> 00:37:42,116 ♪♪ 622 00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:45,180 Gagliano: Eight months after the deaths of Carole and Juli Sund 623 00:37:45,216 --> 00:37:48,246 and Silvina Pelosso, Cary Stayner was charged 624 00:37:48,283 --> 00:37:50,003 with their murders. 625 00:37:50,033 --> 00:37:52,223 Justice, however, would have to come later, 626 00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:54,280 in a high-stakes courtroom battle 627 00:37:54,316 --> 00:37:56,326 for Cary Stayner's life. 628 00:37:56,366 --> 00:37:59,276 The Carringtons were ready. 629 00:37:59,316 --> 00:38:02,276 They pursued the death penalty. 630 00:38:02,316 --> 00:38:06,016 In July 2002, The State v. Cary Stayner 631 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:07,380 murder trial began. 632 00:38:07,416 --> 00:38:10,096 Blitzer: He's confessed to a series of grisly murders. 633 00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:13,423 Now Cary Stayner wants off the hook with an insanity plea. 634 00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:15,080 Gagliano: Stayner's defense team 635 00:38:15,116 --> 00:38:18,066 called upon half-a-dozen mental health experts. 636 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:22,070 Amongst those was at least one who would cite brain scans 637 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:23,320 indicating Stayner suffers 638 00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:27,180 from an obsessive-compulsive disorder, depression, 639 00:38:27,216 --> 00:38:29,466 and an unspecified psychosis. 640 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,330 Reporter: Do you think he's crazy? 641 00:38:31,366 --> 00:38:34,046 No. 642 00:38:34,083 --> 00:38:36,203 Prosecutors were prepared to prove Stayner 643 00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:40,403 knew right from wrong. 644 00:38:40,433 --> 00:38:45,383 Renowned forensic psychiatrist Dr. Park Dietz spent two days 645 00:38:45,416 --> 00:38:48,446 evaluating Cary Stayner for the prosecution. 646 00:38:48,483 --> 00:38:55,433 My testimony was largely focused on steps he took before, 647 00:38:55,466 --> 00:39:01,166 during, and after the crime to indulge his sexual fantasy 648 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,170 without being caught. 649 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,030 In the courtroom, there were days that he would tear up. 650 00:39:08,066 --> 00:39:10,166 There were times when he seemed completely uninterested 651 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,020 in what was happening. 652 00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:16,100 It was an interesting study into a serial killer. 653 00:39:16,133 --> 00:39:19,103 ♪♪ 654 00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:24,303 Gagliano: On August 26, 2002, Cary Stayner was convicted of triple murder, 655 00:39:24,333 --> 00:39:26,383 and a few weeks before Christmas, 656 00:39:26,416 --> 00:39:28,426 he was sentenced to death. 657 00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:33,296 ♪♪ 658 00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:37,203 Cary is a resident on death row at San Quentin prison. 659 00:39:37,233 --> 00:39:39,303 Purdy: There's no capital punishment in California anymore, 660 00:39:39,333 --> 00:39:43,203 so I Imagine he'll spend the rest of his life in prison, 661 00:39:43,233 --> 00:39:45,303 on death row. 662 00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:48,273 Whether you get the death penalty or not, 663 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:52,200 damage has been done that can't be fixed. 664 00:39:52,233 --> 00:39:55,473 My child's still dead. 665 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,370 Lenna: It haunted me for a long time. 666 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,220 I would feel guilty, 667 00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:05,230 and it comes from having survivor's guilt. 668 00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:08,416 I'll never forget them. 669 00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:11,030 Francis: Hate is a terrible thing. 670 00:40:11,066 --> 00:40:18,026 I think it wouldn't be beneficial to hate Cary Stayner. 671 00:40:18,066 --> 00:40:20,016 Jackson: The Carringtons put all of their emotions 672 00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:23,180 into something positive that could help other families -- 673 00:40:23,216 --> 00:40:27,326 the Carole Sund-Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation. 674 00:40:27,366 --> 00:40:33,246 This nonprofit organization was helping to look for children 675 00:40:33,283 --> 00:40:37,033 and families that were missing or murdered, 676 00:40:37,066 --> 00:40:40,026 and we really did help. 677 00:40:40,066 --> 00:40:42,396 I think Carole and I have a life. 678 00:40:42,433 --> 00:40:48,233 I don't think we ought to let Cary Stayner ruin our life, too. 679 00:40:48,266 --> 00:40:52,466 Dr. Kidd: Joie's story is one of many, but certainly a spectacular one, 680 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,400 and there's still a legacy to her story. 681 00:40:56,433 --> 00:41:01,053 The Armstrong Scholars program is a testimony 682 00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:04,003 to her legacy living on. 683 00:41:04,033 --> 00:41:09,183 Every year, 12 to 13 young women learn outdoor survival skills. 684 00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:12,146 They learn how strong they are. 685 00:41:12,183 --> 00:41:14,403 I don't want people to remember Cary. 686 00:41:14,433 --> 00:41:18,353 I'd rather them remember the beautiful women who were lost. 687 00:41:18,383 --> 00:41:26,383 ♪♪ 688 00:41:26,416 --> 00:41:29,376 All these years later, the story of the missing women of Yosemite 689 00:41:29,416 --> 00:41:32,126 is still a valuable cautionary tale. 690 00:41:32,166 --> 00:41:35,026 It emphasizes how important it is to trust your intuition 691 00:41:35,066 --> 00:41:37,246 when an encounter with a stranger feels wrong 692 00:41:37,283 --> 00:41:39,333 or dangerous, because, sometimes, 693 00:41:39,366 --> 00:41:44,196 the handsome neighbor or the handyman is a killer. 694 00:41:44,233 --> 00:41:47,253 And as for FBI Special Agent Jeff Rinek, 695 00:41:47,283 --> 00:41:50,273 he retired from the FBI in 2006. 696 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,250 Rinek told us since his wife joined him in retirement, 697 00:41:53,283 --> 00:41:56,273 it's the happiest he's ever been. 698 00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,080 Thanks for watching. 699 00:41:58,116 --> 00:41:59,376 Good night. 56112

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